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enhanced, is not even an MP. John McDonnell told me earlier that they


are on stand-by to form a minority government, but no deals with the


SNP or the Lib Dems or the Greens? That is not have a minority


government works, by definition you need to do deals? There would be a


lot of backroom deals, I think he means no formal coalition as we saw


between the Conservatives and the Lib Dems. We understand that. You


could not do it otherwise. It would be very difficult to organise. The


arithmetic is against you. When the Conservatives... The finishing line


is 322, because the seven Sinn Fein MPs abstain and the Speaker is taken


into account. It will be 318, 319, they will do the deal with the


Democratic Unionists, who will extract a huge price for this


coalition of chaos, they will want a porous border with the Republic of


Ireland which rules out a very hard Brexit. Labour is waiting in the


wings, hoping it will fall. It is difficult to see how the DUP, they


are the kingmakers, you can't have a coalition without them. You could


put Labour, the SNP, the Liberals and the green altogether and it


would not be enough. The DUP hold all the cards and will be ruthless.


The fixed term Parliament Act, maybe MrsMay mansion to get some kind of


coalition together, by it's fragile. It doesn't last for long. The DUP


walk out or something happens. They don't then necessarily go to the


country because they would need 66% of parliament to vote. Labour will


say no, it's our turn. Let us do it. You could have a Corbyn Government.


Well, the act is the Tories' friend now because it makes it very


difficult to force them out. Also this, the DUP will never countenance


talking to Jeremy Corbyn because of this issue. The attitude towards the


IRA. The Tories can be absolutely Government whatever price the DUP


ex-track from them they're never going to put Jeremy Corbyn into


Downing Street. They could trigger another election. They will play


hard. She's weak. She's a lame duck now. They can spin it any way they


like and prop her up. She was a commanding - she was a commanding


figure. It was almost as if she was trying to lose the election with


that social care u-turn and pretended it wasn't. Someone here in


Westminster said to me Cameron gambled on the referendum and lost.


MrsMay gambled on the election and lost. And they said is the Tory


Party a party or a casino? Back to you, Huw. On that note, Andrew,


thank you. What are Theresa May's plans. Let's go to Downing Street.


Laura, what can you tell us? Thank you. In the last few moments I have


been told we can expect Theresa May will go to the Palace at some point


later today and crucially will go to the Palace to see the Queen, I am


told with the understanding and belief she can form a Government


based on some form of assurances and conversations that have been going


backwards and forwards between the Conservatives and the DUP in the


last couple of hours. As I understand it, this is not


necessarily an attempt to form any kind of formal coalition but the DUP


has no wish to see Theresa May out of office. They have certainly no


wish whatsoever to work with Jeremy Corbyn. Just to reiterate that,


still nothing official. Nothing confirmed. But sources are telling


me we can expect Theresa May will go to the Palace at some point later


today saying, believing she can form a Government with the assurance and


understanding from the DUP that they will allow her, will in order for


her to a stay in office. Other conversations I sense and listening


to Nicky Morgan there stopping short of calling for Theresa May to go,


unlike her close colleague Anna Soubrey, it seems at the moment the


sense is of rallying around and allowing Theresa May to stay in


place. That said, it will be a weakened and fragile Theresa May


staying in place if that does happen. A weak and fragile Prime


Minister in a volatile era, that's not something necessarily with a


very long shelf life. We will be back with you shortly. Thank you


very much. The Prime Minister will be going to


the Palace sometime today, not sure whether it is before or after lunch.


But will be going to the pal loss to see the Queen on the understanding


that she can indeed tell Her Majesty she is in a position to form a


Government, depending on the ten votes of the DUP.


That's the prospect. If we have more on the timing we will bring it to


you straightaway. But we are expecting the Prime Minister to go


to the Palace to basically tell the Queen it is possible to stay in


power. We will be back with more on this in a second. We are going to


get the news now. Morning. Theresa May is determined


to stay on as Conservative leader, the BBC understands, despite a


difficult night that's led to a hung parliament. With all but one seat -


declared, the Tories have 318, eight short of the figure needed to form a


majority. Our political correspondent reports.


A brief smile but it did not last long. Theresa May's huge political


gamble ended in failure. She wanted to transform the Tories' fragile


majority into a stronger negotiating hand. Instead, her party's ended up


weaker. If, as the indications have shown, and if this is correct, that


the Conservative Party has won the most seats, and probably the most


votes, then it will be incumbent on us to ensure we have that period of


stability ap that's exactly what we will do. He confounded expectations.


As the Labour leader arrived at party HQ this morning celebrations.


We are ready to serve this country. That is what we fought the election


for. This is the programme we put forward in our election. We have


done no deals and no pacts with anybody. We are there as the Labour


Party with our points of view. Labour even took Reading East,


ousting a Tory Minister. In total, eight of May's top team failed to


get re-elected. The Conservatives at the count in Hastings looked glum.


The Home Secretary only just scraped home by 346 votes. While the Lib


Dems celebrated the return of former Ministers like Sir Vince Cable, the


party's old leader had one of the biggest upsets of the night, losing


his Sheffield seat. I of course have encountered this evening something


that many people have encountered before tonight and I suspect many


people will encounter after tonight, which is in politics, you live by


the sword, and you die by the sword. The SNP lost big names on a very bad


night. Their deputy leader Angus Robertson was ousted by the


Conservatives and their former leader Alex Salmond has lost his


seat too. A few counts are still to come in. But the result is clear.


There is to be a hung parliament, it's not going to be a majority


Government of any colour. Now some are questioning whether MrsMay can


continue. I think she's in a very difficult place. She's a remarkable


and a very talented woman and doesn't shy from difficult decisions


but she now has to obviously consider her position. Are you


stepping down? Sources say she has no intention of resigning but she is


weaker, has fewer MPs and there are questions over her future.


There are reports that the Conservatives have already begun


talks with the DUP in Northern Ireland. The DUP could help to give


the Tories a working majority at Westminster to enable them to


govern. The DUP took ten seats which was up two. Sinn Fein won seven but


will continue to abstain from sitting in parliament. Both the SDLP


and the Ulster Unionist party lost their seats. Labour had a strong


night in Wales, reclaim ago number of seats from the Conservatives. The


results were a blow to the Tories, they hoped to make gains in


pro-Brexit areas. Plaid Cymru won four seats. That's up one. And the


Liberal Democrats lost their only Welsh MP. The swing to Labour seems


to be highest in areas with a significant number of younger


voters. Some Labour politicians are ascribing their successes to a high


turnout of 18-24-year-olds. Young voter turnout is estimated at 72%,


with turnout overall 2% up at 69%, which is the biggest since 1997. The


outcome raises Dawes about whether Brexit talks can begin later this


month. The European Council President has tweeted that he did


not know when the talks would start, only when they had to end.


Jean-Claude Juncker, the Commission President says the EU is ready for


negotiations and he hopes the UK will form a Government as soon as


possible. Back to Huw Edwards with the BBC's election special.


Good morning once again. It's 10. 10am just about, we are one seat


away from the full count of results. We have one seat to go. That is


Kensington. Cornwall North came in as a Conservative hold. So where are


we? The Conservatives on 318. Labour on 261. Officially it's a hung


parliament. All the talk of a solid majority for MrsMay, that talk has


evaporated. It's a hung parliament. The Conservatives as the largest


party but they need the Democratic Unionist Party to support them. I


think we can go back to Downing Street now.


I think Laura has another update for us. What do you have? A couple of


moments ago I was suggesting that Theresa May was to attend the Palace


later today, I have just had it officially confirmed she will go to


Buckingham Palace at 12. 30 to seek permission from the Queen to form a


Government. Official confirmation, Theresa May has no intention


whatsoever of resigning. She will leave here in a couple of hours'


time to go to Buckingham Palace to seek permission from the Queen to


form a Government. The way we understand she will do that is with


assurances from the Ulster Unionists they will see her through in


parliament. It's not a formal coalition, this will be a looser


arrangement but quietly, but definitely in fact, those two


parties have already been working together behind the scenes for a


couple of years now. It was something that wasn't necessarily


picked up often in parliament but on some crucial occasions, in fact when


Tory backbenchers had been opposing David Cameron or Theresa May, it had


on some occasions been the DUP that had seen the Prime Minister through.


So in a much more public way, in a much more vital way for Theresa May


it will be the DUP that is Nellie It doesn't necessarily mean she will


be able to stay in post for long. But for today that's her plan. Just


behind the scenes, any sense you are picking up that the Prime Minister


has had to be talked Staying on, there was suggestions from Gus oh


done earlier that he thought she may have thought instinctively at the


start of this set of results she might want to leave immediately but


colleagues thought for the sake of stability she should stay? Well, I


think when we saw her speak at her count in Maidenhead she looked


extremely shaken, like somebody who felt personally it looked like she


was feeling the loss. From a human point of view, having had such high


expectations and frankly such failures on the point of view of


expectations management, she looked like somebody who had absolutely no


enthusiasm for the idea of staying on. One Cabinet Minister said to me


before you came back to me, she does have loyal supporters in Cabinet.


Although this has been a devastating time, it's certainly not the case


that everybody in her circle, everybody in Cabinet will have been


trying to push her out. But in terms of whether or not she had to be


talked into it or out of it, I suspect more broadly it was probably


a more fluid conversation. They were probably looking at all the


potential angles, looking at the different calculations and of course


having conversations with the DUP as to whether or not they were up for


it. Thank you very much. In a moment we will have the latest from the


City of London because the financial markets famously do not like a lack


of certainty. We will be with Simon Jack in a second. A very quick


thought on what kind of support do you think she has in Cabinet? It's


interesting, because Theresa May is not what they call in the House of


Commons clubbable, she doesn't hang around drinking gin at night. She


doesn't have a lot of backbenchers or ministers who know her very well


and are personally loyal. There is a tight group who stuck together, it's


not like that with Theresa May. There are people, a few, but not


very many. She's going to have to create, if she is staying on, a new


network of links and even friends inI had side the Conservative Party


because she doesn't have enough. I think Andrew is absolutely right. It


was the interview you did with Nigel Evans earlier, he is putting the


blame squarely for that u-turn, for the policy put out there first of


all, the social care policy and then the u-turn which was unprecedented


in election terms, never had a manifesto commitment made one day


and within days there's been a u-turn. He put the blame squarely on


her two advisers, because she's known to deal with Fiona Hill and


Nick Timothy in a threesome in terms of putting policy together, that


will have to end in Nigel Evans' terms and I think it will have to


end more generally. They say if she had consulted on that policy and


consulted widely amongst ministers they would have warned her of the


pitfalls, whether it was right or wrong, the polling will show it


affected her dramatically. Let's ask Peter. Was that the point where the


polls made a significant change when that manifesto went wrong?


Yes, absolutely. Up to the launch of the manifesto the Conservatives were


holding and even creeping up to 45, 46, 40 7% on the eve of the


manifesto. A week later the Tories had dropped three points, Labour had


climbed three points, it was a game changer. If one takes the simplistic


but possibly correct view that that three points was lost for the rest


of the campaign because of social care, it made the difference between


the hung parliament and the mess the Conservatives are in now and not a


big majority but a fairly comfortable majority of 40 or 50. Mr


Corbyn emerging, smiling broadly. He has been mentioning a little earlier


that he feels that he has policies which could actually appeal to


people across the House of Commons, John McDonnell also said that


earlier, offering up the thought of a potential Labour minority


government. I had to say that everyone we have discussed that with


has said that the numbers do not make sense in that regard, Peter? If


the Conservatives can do a deal with the DUP they have a collective


majority of 13 if they do not in Kensington, 15 if they do, because


of Sinn Fein not taking up their seven seats. In the short run, that


is perfectly viable as long as they hold together. It is the medium term


when the Brexit negotiations get tough, the policy strain starts to


emerge, that is when I would not like to place too much money on


survival. The next two weeks, relatively easy. We are getting a


government, not necessarily a long-term one. The other thing we


have not mentioned at any point this morning about the campaign is the


two terrible terrorist incidents, the murders in Manchester and


London, that badly disrupted the Conservative campaign and Theresa


May's campaign. We think back to that snowy day in John Major's


Government when the IRA hit a mortar bomb into Downing Street, almost


killed Lord Donald, at that point we were engaged in another big


arguments, the Government had to be moved from Downing Street into


Admiralty Arch, there was a major hiatus, Black Wednesday followed. In


the same sort of way these awful terrorist attacks disrupted things,


Cobra met, the rhythm of the campaign, the way Conservative HQ


would often have a grip of the campaign was loosened and two


crucial moments. People don't want to talk about this because nobody


wants to suggest that the terrorists have any bigotry in any sense but it


disrupted the campaign. If the Conservatives had begun to develop a


fightback in the wake of social care, the terrorist attacks


disrupted any fight back so there was no new Tory narrative that could


trump the rather tarnished old one. And a very effective Labour country


tag. Tories thought that if the terror attack has any effect it will


help us because Jeremy Corbyn the IRA friends and all that, Labour


came back very fast on police numbers, armed police in particular,


they were supported by serving police officers. And that was


successful for Jeremy Corbyn's Labour Party and gave them a certain


amount of momentum that fed into a manifesto making promises on


spending on public services more broadly. We're talking about pulling


milestones, things that mark the campaign, John joins us. I know it


has been a long night, but your thoughts on when we match-up the


events, the results, to the stages of polling you have been involved


in, what conclusions do you draw? I think it is pretty clear that Jeremy


Corbyn achieved something quite remarkable during this election


campaign. The truth is that usually when the electorate have decided


that a politician is not much good, they don't change their mind. That


was the fate of William Hague and Iain Duncan Smith, in truth it was


the fate of Gordon Brown. Derek -- Jeremy Corbyn has been regarded for


the last two years by most British voters is being incapable of being a


capable party leader, let alone Prime Minister, but during the


campaign his personal evaluation has improved so much that those polls


who is king people how good or bad do you think Jeremy Corbyn is doing,


do you approve or disapprove of his leadership, he almost had as many


people who thought he was doing OK than 40 was doing worse. The


trajectory for Theresa May was in the opposite direction. Given that


went Theresa May started the campaign, it sounded like it would


be a one trick pony, strong and stable leadership in the national


interest. The moment that that became rather fragile for the


reasons you have been discussing around the launch of the Tory


manifesto, while at the same time people were saying, hang on, Jeremy


Corbyn is not quite so bad after all. I think in particular what


happened apart from clearly him capturing the enthusiasm of young


voters and those who had not voted before, he simply persuaded those


people who usually voted Labour but who four weeks ago were still saying


I usually vote Labour but I could not possibly vote for them under


Jeremy Corbyn, it is too extreme and he is useless. By the end of the


campaign the poll said that just as many people who voted Labour in 2015


would vote Labour again, as were saying that they voted Conservative


in 2015 and would vote Conservative again. Corbin got the Labour tribe


back-in. -- Corbyn got the Labour tribe back-in. Labour has lost this


election, as badly as Gordon Brown did in 2010, and while Mr Corbyn may


be able to demonstrate that his strategy of not appealing to the


centre, trying to go for young voters, it may in fact not lead to a


heavy defeat but he is still to prove it can take the party to


victory. Thank you, John. We will talk in a while again.


Andy? There was an interesting optimistic aspect, Theresa May


famously tried to do the entire election campaign with a series of


slogans. Strong and stable, strong and stable. She did not seem to want


to have a lively and vigorous conversation with the country about


Brexit or the economy or what she really thought or anything else.


Jeremy Corbyn was going around and appeared to be in listening mode, he


had very strong views as well but he was having more of a conversation,


which was very important. The differences Jeremy Corbyn has spent


nearly 40 years as a campaigner, albeit within a certain niche


market. Theresa May is not a natural people person. I think the public


began to catch on to the fact that maybe this assembly who does not


find it very easy to think on her feet, who much prefers to be


well-prepared before doing anything. The trouble is that once you are


Prime Minister that is not necessarily a mode in which you can


operate in most of the same ways one might say that Gordon Brown


discovered when he also became Prime Minister. Thank you, John. Let's


pause for a second because John Curtice has raised several themes


about the Corbyn performance and we would like to set it in historical


context so we can judge it against other things.


Let's join Jeremy. Entering the Central Lobby of the House of


Commons. John Curtice talking about Labour have lost and how badly. Can


we measure how badly they have lost? Lots of reasons to be pleased, they


did much better than expected, we will try to set the loss in context.


This is where we think it will end up at the end of this, a seat still


in play, 261 to Labour in the 2017 election. They did better than


people expected. How does it compared to previous losses? Way


better than Ed Miliband, who last two years ago in 2015, who had a


horrible time. Sort of in the zone that Gordon Brown was then in 2010


if you look at seat numbers, 258, he is a bit ahead of Gordon Brown. Neil


Kinnock, 271 in 1992, the John Major election where huge turnout for the


Conservatives won eight, Neil Kinnock had to resign, but he did


better in seats than Mr Corbyn today. Neil Kinnock 220 91987 was


allowed to fight again, losing to Mrs Thatcher for her second


landslide. This one was defining, bad political campaigns, the


disaster for Labour in 1983, is such a landslide after the Falklands War,


Michael Foot only got 209 seats. Chewing the campaign, people were


saying before it started, will Mr Corbyn got what Mr foot got or even


lower? Where he has succeeded and he has completely changed the terms of


reference, he is a long way ahead of Michael Foot in 1983. Look at Jim


Callaghan, 1979, he lost to Mrs Thatcher when he won -- she won her


first election, 269, very much in the same zone. 1970, Harold Wilson


lost to Heath, 288. You have a spectrum of Labour leaders. In terms


of how well or badly Jeremy Corbyn did, he is very much part of the


peace if you measure it in seats. I want to do a different


measurements, this is very, very interesting. Let's start at this end


and look at percentages. If we go back to the Wilson era, the 70s and


previously, you saw for example in the 50s that the combination of the


Labour and Conservative vote would be above 90 or 95%. This is a bit of


a legacy of art, 43%, losing the election with 43%. That did not


happen for many years thereafter. Losing Labour leaders, Callaghan got


37% in 79, Foot 28%, historically low in 83. Kinnock 31 and 34, this


is the effect of a multiplicity of different parties, particularly the


Liberals as they then were. 29% the Gordon Brown in 2010, horrible


percentage, of a bid for Ed Miliband in 2015, but look at this. 40% of


the vote, four out of ten voters in this election went for Corbyn across


the UK. If you are a Jeremy Corbyn fan, that is the figure you point


to. It is partly because you could have almost left the pitch and the


Liberal Democrats are still down in the dumps but it is a brilliant


statistic for people who say that as the successful Corbyn bar to be


election -- it is partly because Ukip have almost left the pitch.


Such a huge proportion of the electorate chose Labour this time.


You have to go way back among losing Labour leaders to find anything like


that, he even beat Tony Blair in one of his winning elections!


Thank you, Jeremy Vine, taking us through the performances of the past


and underlining what has been achieved as far as the Corbyn


campaign is concerned. I mentioned the City and how the


markets have responded, Simon Jack, tell us about the reaction?


They have been completely bamboozled once again and fail to read British


politics. They were pricing in a solid Tory majority, but you can see


what happened to sterling, the value of the pound against the dollar,


easily the most per to be sensitive market, it felt very sharply on that


exit poll. -- easily the most politically sensitive market. The


pound started to say to itself, why am I falling? It is not this I do


not want, I am most scared of the hard Brexit. We saw the big fall


after the referendum last year. So it started creeping up again. Maybe


Theresa May will be more beholden to the hard Brexit elements in her own


party if she does the negotiating, so it goes back up. These


conflicting thoughts all morning, drifting off a bit when the market


and businesses I have been speaking to said, do you know what will


happen? The Brexit clock is ticking, we have invoked Article 50 and we


have the worst possible outcome. We have wasted valuable time and not


got certainty coming into the negotiations that we were promised.


Looking at the other side, AE you negotiators have been pressing their


best shirts, getting their ring binders ready, it looks as if we are


stumbling into the room at the last minute underprepared. That is the


pound. The stock market went up, because as the pound falls the


foreign earnings of the big multinationals are worth more.


Companies focused mostly on the UK like banks and building societies,


sorry, banks or house-builders, their shares had said that. This is


seen as not brilliant for the UK economy. That is the market reaction


in the City. Thank you, Simon. We will be back in


the City of London later. The time is coming up to 10:30am. We are


continuing coverage of the election outcome at Westminster. We are


looking at a hung parliament, the Conservatives as the largest party


and a possible and as -- possible understanding, and informal


understanding between the Conservatives and the Democratic


Unionist Party. Viewers on BBC world have been with this all night and


during the morning, thank you for watching, you are leaving now and we


wish you well. And our coverage continues. Before I join Andrew Neil


at Westminster, an important update on the position of the Democratic


Unionists in Northern Ireland is, they are a very important part of


this Government jigsaw. They are potentially kingmakers. DUP is


meeting to reflect in a situation that one party source described as


messy. That source has confirmed soundings have been made but nothing


formal agreed, as you said it would be an understanding, a supply and


demand understanding. Talk of an agreement is described as premature


and the party is expected to have a news conference in the early


afternoon. The timing might be quite crucial if Theresa May is expected


to go to the Palace on the understanding that she would have


the support of the ten DUP in order to get through her policies and get


the majority in the House of Commons, we need to keep an eye on


that. This is pressure in negotiations. The DUP will have a


shopping list to some extent of what they would like. Just to underline,


we expect the Prime Minister to go to the powers that about 12:30pm to


inform Her Majesty of her plans -- go to the Sidnei Buckingham Palace.


We understand she wants to form a government with the Democratic


Unionists, then the DUP might set details a short while after that.


Let's go back to Westminster. It is rather rainy but Andrew is waiting.


It's turned into a downpower, the Tory tears I told you about are now


a flood! We are getting plenty of that rain and being kept cool in the


process. You have had your suit washed courtesy of the licence


payer, what more can we say on a morning like this? .


Eric Pickles, one of your MPs, Philip Davis, he said the


Conservative Party had made a pig's ear of the national campaign. Do you


agree? It's not been the happiest campaign that I have been engaged


with. Is that an understatement? It's all rather pointless now, what


we have to do is try and put a majority together to remain in


Government. There will be a time for us to go through what went wrong and


how we can improve. But I can tell you this, it's not now. Well, maybe


not. But even if you do manage to stay in Government you will be the


walking wounded, won't you? It will be better if we had a majority, 20,


30 majority, it's going to be very difficult. But that's democracy,


that's what people voted for. It's up to us to get on with the job.


Doesn't it leave Theresa May as a lame duck? No, I don't think that is


right. I think she has the opportunity, she has to see the


Queen at 12. 30, of putting together a Government. The most important


thing is to be able to get a negotiating position ready for


Brexit. But she had a Government, six weeks ago she had a Government,


she had a Government with an overall majority. It wasn't huge but it was


a majority. Now she doesn't, she's going to have to ask the Queen for


permission to form a Government. What's the good news in this? It's


clearly not a happy moment for the Conservative Party. But it's not


necessarily a fatal moment for the Conservative Party. What are you


going to give to the DUP to keep you in power? I am in the a member of


the House of Commons and think it's unlikely I would be part of the


negotiating team. But you will have to give something? It depends what


the understanding is, I don't know whether it's going to be issue by


issue. Adam Clarke, you have obviously done much better than many


people thought, or Jeremy Corbyn has done better. What should Labour do


now? You still lost the election. Yeah, disappointed to not be able to


not have a majority, we have seen a big bold positive campaign and


vision for the country that's been incredibly popular. If you think of


seven weeks ago, Theresa May called this election thinking it was going


to be a Tory landslide and Labour were polling at 24% and now at over


40%, it's been an incredible campaign. Would you be a little bit


nervous if Jeremy Corbyn tried to form a minority Government which


would involve all sorts of deals and compromises and that could end in


tears, as well? Well, minority Government, not a coalition, but on


a deal by deal basis is what my understanding is, I think that would


be fantastic if that was able to be achieved. The British people


wouldn't have to live under Tory austerity any more and I think it


would set a different direction of travel, so I hope that can happen.


Is it not a yard stick of how appalling your party's campaign was


that 40% of this country voted for Jeremy Corbyn's Labour Party? A


bigger percentage voted for the Conservative Party. The poll rating


never varied very much in terms of percentage. 40% for Jeremy Corbyn. A


man that you thought you could wipe the floor with. I think I did and a


lot of other people underestimated Mr Corbyn. His achievement in terms


to get the percentage share that he did and to be able to turn over a


number of Conservative seats is a considerable achievement. I thank


you both. By the time you come back to us we may well have dried out,


but don't count on it. Thank you very much. Trying to squeeze under


that umbrella you have. We are back in our warm studio, Andrew won't


like that. I would like to catch up with some more reaction and I think


we are in a position to hear from Ukip's Paul Nuttall standing in


Boston. Do we have that? Otherwise I will just ask for reaction to what


we heard there. Here is Paul Nuttall. Regressed electorally back


to our 2011 level which is what many of us believed would happen and I


know it comes as little surprise to many of you guys in the press. What


we have seen overnight is a return and I believe it's only a temporary


return to two-party politics. But at the moment it could be argued that


Ukip have been a victim of its own success. We forced the referendum


and we helped win Brexit. Some people mistakenly think our job is


done. But it's not. With Brexit we may well have won the war but we now


have to secure the peace. And that is getting a good deal for the


British people in these up and coming negotiations with the


eurocrats in Brussels. There is no getting away from the fact that this


was a unique election that came about at an inopportunity time for


our party. The Prime Minister was able to talk the talk on the Brexit


negotiations without having to walk the walk. Which is precisely why


this election was called in the first place. And what a hubristic,


foolish, ish politically naive election to call. The negotiations


begin in a few weeks with Brussels and I wish the Prime Minister,


whoever that is, all the very best. I hope whoever leads the team get


the best deal for the British people. They will, however, only get


a good deal if they believe in our great country and they are genuinely


prepared to walk away if the Brussels bureaucrats put a bad deal


on the table. In my heart I hope they do, like me, truly believe in


Britain but something in my head says otherwise. I hope I am proven


to be wrong. As for Ukip, well, I have said throughout this election


that in politics sometimes the tide comes in, sometimes the tide goes


out. But for us, although the tide may be out at the moment, at this


present moment in time, I am convinced it will return. The one


question I have been asked by the media more than any other during


this general election has been what is the relevance of Ukip now? Well,


I contend even after the difficult night last night that Ukip is more


relevant than it ever was. This is because Ukip are more now than ever


after last night's result the guard dogs of Brexit and the Prime


Minister, and I suspect it will be a Tory, must know that if they begin


to back-track or Bartter things away, then they must know they will


be punished at the ballot box and that will only happen if Ukip is


electorally viable and strong. We are, in effect, the country's


insurance policy on Brexit. Ukip has also proved its relevance by leading


the agenda in many ways in this election. To give you one example,


we were the first to talk about the greater need for integration and the


threats posed to our people from the growing cancer of Islamist extremism


in our midst. Unfortunately, the recent attacks in Manchester and


London have proved we were correct. I would also argue on many other


issues we have led and others have followed. We put down a manifesto


that not only highlighted many of the issues we now face, but came up


with common sense remedies. Indeed I called it a manifesto that was a


decade ahead of its time and I am more confident now than ever that


many of our proposals in the 2017 manifesto will either be Government


policy or adopted by the establishment parties before the


next general election. I believe in the long-term some of our policy


proposals are inevitable, such as an English parliament or a full face -


full face coverings ban. I am proud to have stood on a platform of


policies that included getting immigration under control, slashing


the bloated foreign aid budget, reversing the cuts to our police


force and increasing the size of our Armed Forces. I contend that if Ukip


is to prosper it must continue to be the outriders of British politics.


The party that leads the debate and does not follow. The party that is


not hamstrung by political correctness and therefore straight


talks and says what everybody else is thinking. If Ukip sticks to these


principles, then I believe it will flourish in future years. Indeed, I


even predict after last night that if things go the way I expect, then


Ukip could in 18 months' time be bigger in terms of poll ratings and


members than it ever has been before. However, it will not be with


me as its leader. I am standing down today as the leader of Ukip with


immediate effect. This will allow the party to have a new leader in


place by the conference in September. And at the annual


conference in are to quay the new rebranded Ukip must be launched and


a new era must begin with a new leader. This will be an exciting


time for all of us who love our party. I have to admit that I never


envisaged that I would lead the party into three by-elections and a


general election in the space of six hectic months. I wanted at least a


year of calm to rebrand and rebuild the party structures so we were


ready for the electoral battles ahead. But alas... Paul Nuttall


standing down as leader of Ukip with immediate effect. There will be a


leadership contest this year in time are the party conference. I think


that will make it three leadership contests in one year for Ukip. I


suppose in this context looking at a share of 1. 1.8% of the vote, that


was inevitable. Rather small guard dogs of Brexit these days. Clever


people with slide rules have calculated after he goes that will


be five Ukip leaders in nine months, even by the standard of British


politics is going it some. He is an affable guy but he was not a


successful leader, got in lots of trouble almost every time he


appeared in public. The famous statement, he couldn't remember


Leanne woods name. He is known in the press now as Natalie Nuttall.


It's been a miserable experience for him. He did it with a certain amount


of grace there. It's hard to see Ukip reviving quickly. That depends


very much on a new leader. We have heard from Nigel Farage today,


delighted to see that Paul Nuttall is standing down, Nigel Farage I


think we can predict will be bouncing back. If the Conservative


Party in parliament breaks badly over the Brexit negotiations, and I


think that's likely, then we will see Ukip coming in to support the


hard Brexiteers from the outside. If they're making running in


parliament, the Conservatives, why are people going to look for a new


party, another party outside of parliament? Hard to see how they


come back. This has been the demise of Ukip, in local elections they did


badly. Obviously, in this election, as you say you are looking at their


vote share, they have no MPs. We can see there Nigel Farage, former


leader, saying an excellent speech by Paul Nuttall, sorry he is


standing down. There were those - as we know this is the man who said he


would be resigning and not coming back to frontline politics. He has


had certainly plenty of reincarnations in that regard. We


could well see him back. The point about holding the Government's feet


to the fire, they don't have the physical infrastructure to do that


any more in electoral terms. Paul Nuttall's heart wasn't in it to the


end because of the difficult time you talked about. When we


interviewed him we said do you think he will be the last leader of Ukip,


he said no, that's not going to happen. Who will be the next leader?


They struggled to get one to stick around as long as he did, having had


quite a few leadership contests and people pulling out within days.


Peter Hennessy, good to have you back. In that Paul Nuttall speech,


again he went over the theme of projected difficulties ahead the


Conservatives in the Brexit process. Surely he is right on that? Yes, and


I have a sliver of human sympathy him, think of the hell of being the


leader of Ukip with the Farage bird hovering over you. We must remember


that they reflected a slice of opinion in our country which really


mattered, which was not finding its voice. 4 million votes last time.


You have parties to give people a voice, that keeps open society on


the road. Tim Shipman has correctly said all elections ends with Nigel


Farage resigning or being appointed leader of Ukip, and sometimes both.


I think that has happened on this programme more than once or twice!


Certainly a heavy hint earlier that he might be needed. He said he would


absolutely have to make a to front line if Brexit was at risk, which he


said it could be in the light of a hung parliament. We have been


notified. He would have would have to have his arm twisted ex-smokers


were there into some of the seats Emily looked at where Ukip did very


well last time around, there was an expectation at the beginning of this


election campaign that their votes were folding into the Conservatives.


Up to a point. It was clear from some of Emily's graphs that some of


them were dividing in the northern constituencies where the Ukip vote


had gone down almost collapsed, dividing it equally, Labour were


getting back some of the votes. It is not straightforward to say they


have gone to the Conservatives, as we can see from the election result.


Lots of Labour voters are worried about immigration, hostile to the


EU, Ukip gave them a new voice. Now Ukip is going down, some are coming


back to the Labour Party. That is why Jeremy Corbyn was so clear he


would be unclear about Brexit, he knew that so many of his voters, 9


million Labour voters voted for Brexit and the party was divided.


Keir Starmer brilliantly said that is why we are great for Britain,


Britain is divided by Brexit answer was the Labour Party, so we


represent Britain! A refreshing degree of honesty. We said earlier


we expect the Prime Minister to emerge at around 12:30pm to take the


journey from Downing Street to Buckingham Palace. Let's go to


Downing Street, Laura has the latest on what is being set


behind-the-scenes about the Prime Minister's position?


Just before I tell you about that I can't help but remind you that


almost exactly this time in 2015 we were talking about Nigel Farage


being the Vicky Pollard of resignations yeah, but, no, yeah,


but, no. It sounds like another yeah today. I love of my bad metaphors.


Talking to Tories privately from outside Downing Street this morning


it seems very much that Theresa May has shored up her position at least


for now. So what seemed a couple of hours ago very, very uncertain,


would she be able to get through the day? It seems the sentiment I think


more than anything else of the horror of the prospect of another


election seems to have allowed the party to at least settle its


collective nerve for a little while. I had to say that those


conversations have also made completely plain that many MPs will


regard her as a caretaker rather than a Prime Minister who will be in


this for the long haul. Just another point about the fact that she will


have to rely on some form of assurance or support from the DUP,


not clear exactly what the form of that will be, but as we said earlier


some kind of loose arrangement. Here's a thought, very many really


important issues for the public like social care, housing, are devolved.


So they are different in Northern Ireland. So what happens when it


comes a controversial vote in the House of Commons? When the Tories


need to rely on the DUP but they are not issues affecting the DUP's


voters? In the months to come back or be quite a conundrum for the


Tories. I think that might exaggerate the effect you often see


with minority governments were basically anything controversial,


anything difficult just doesn't even make it to the House of Commons, let


alone actually getting its way through. A quick point, when we


spoke to Nigel Evans earlier, and to Nicky Morgan, we discussed the fact


that there was significant misgivings with the way the campaign


was run, specifically around the very close-knit people around the


Prime Minister, basically the way that she governs and runs things?


Absolutely. To what extent will she be able to change that, because that


is a very established pattern that she has? It is her modus operandi


but it is very clear to me that MPs will demand that some of her closest


team go. One former minister said on the phone awhile ago that it will


have to be the case that Fiona Hill and Nick Timothy, her chiefs of


staff, depart. Of course that will be a decision of the number ten and


Theresa May but let's be clear, there are Conservative MPs who


expect and will demand that happens. There is deep unhappiness at how the


campaign was run but, if you like, it is a symbol of how she had been


running operations, not being inclusive enough, not consulting and


of Cabinet colleagues. Some people in Cabinet like the way she worked


because they felt that one she had made a decision she tended to stick


to it and looked for evidence, things were much more


formal. But I think because she is so much weaker now than 24 hours


ago, she will have to take counsel from the Cabinet, she will not now,


I don't think, be able to Sakho Chancellor, Philip Hammond, which


had been the plan for this election. -- will not be able to Sakho


Chancellor. Philip Hammond is on the less sceptical end of the Brexit


spectrum. I hate to use the word soft and hard but it may well be the


case, it has been suggested to me, that's Cabinet members wanted that


the approach to the single market back on the table. -- that some


Cabinet members. The DUP are soft in terms of the border with the


mainland of Ireland but definitely Eurosceptic in character. It is too


early to say whether this will change the nature of the kind of


Brexit we will end up with, but complications all around. It is a


very, very complicated set of consequences from what has clearly


been a political disaster. We will be back, Laura, thank you very much.


Andy? It'll be a personal humiliation of a new kind the


Theresa May to have to get rid of Nick Timothy and Fiona Hill, she


would hate that and be badly weakened if she did, she depends


upon them very, very much. She would prefer to lose back teeth without


anaesthetic and a set of pliers than do that. One she has done it she


will be in a weaker position and her modus operandi will have gone, I


will be very surprised if she finds it easy to do. She might have


pressure to get rid of one of them, to at least have made some


sacrifice, but it would be difficult. Or at least replace them


with somebody else even though she only has a very small coterie. It is


almost saying to Theresa May you must be a different kind of human


being, that is very, very hard to do. The problem with the two


gatekeepers is a reflection of Mrs May being very


anxious as a Prime Minister. She is very determined and very tough but


also very anxious person. Everybody on all sites describes how things


get held by the gatekeepers. It is deeply inefficient, they get worn


out, so does she. There is a huge machine as well as Cabinet


colleagues at her disposal. You can get away with it as Secretary of


State but not as Prime Minister, it is only a matter of time. On a


completely different note, a record number of female MPs elected, more


than 200 in this Parliament, is numbering the 196 in 2015, there is


one seat to go in Kensington. -- outnumbering the 196. And Theresa


May used to run a campaign for women and the Conservatives. You will have


noticed that the weather is not great towards Westminster, but it is


not putting tourists and people gathering outside Buckingham Palace,


let me tell you! Changing the guard at Buckingham Palace, that is taking


place today. But all eyes as on Horse Guards Parade, lots of


rehearsing going on for the Queen's Birthday Parade and the Trooping of


the Colour which takes place a week tomorrow. They are on their way to


Buckingham Palace right now, Andy? I think that is Momentum marching,


their official honour guard explanation mark about it certainly


involves Momentum, no doubt! Plenty of umbrellas, but the weather is not


putting off people who have been to see the great spectacle happening


outside Buckingham Palace. We are full of sympathy about the weather,


Andrew Neil! Thank you, that I don't need


sympathy, the sun has come out. If you don't like the weather, hang


around, it changes in 15 minutes. I have Jean Miller with me, she ran


the famous court case which called the Parliamentary vote on Brexit. --


I have Gina Miller. Gina Miller, does a hung parliament make what you


would regard as a softer Brexit more likely or will it perhaps make for a


chaotic breakfast... I'm sorry, Brexit! It has been a long night! It


has. I think the people have spoken loud and clear and said we do not


want an extreme Brexit, we do not want one that leaves the single


market, and that is what will happen. It is loud and clear. It was


in the Conservative manifesto, that is what they voted against. I don't


think it will be chaos, we will not put the hung parliament. We might


end up with a parliament who votes issue by issue, and when it comes to


Brexit we will go on close negotiations with a far more


flexible approach. Mrs May called the selection because she said she


wanted a mandate for her form of Brexit. What is her mandate this


morning? It is a desperately disappointing outcome and I feel for


the 30 or so former colleagues who very unexpectedly, to them at least,


lost their seats. I think it is fair to say that we are the largest party


by quite some way, 55 seats ahead of Labour. The idea that Labour can


form an administration, I think, is for the birds. But we have not got


over the line of 326. But what is her mandate? We are the party that


will be the leading light in the government, it looks as if we will


have an arrangement with the DUP which will be sustainable for the


short and medium-term at least and maybe beyond. Where I agree with


Gina, I think the important thing is not to Brexit. We got through that


process, the legal process, the Article 50 process is through.


However I hope that is part and parcel of this, and I say that as a


London MP where there are massive swing is very much because of the


Brexit issue which permeated through to the very poor results the


Conservatives had in London, I would like to see an open offer from the


Theresa May administration to make sure we hear as many voices as


possible playing their parts from other political parties in terms of


trying to sort out what will be the right deal within particular


sectors. Is there not a danger from your point of view that if Mrs May


is to do a deal with the DUP from Northern Ireland, which are pretty


strong on Brexit, that she will, despite not getting the mandate she


looked for, stick to her form of Brexit that was in the manifesto? I


don't think so. I think the idea of more voices from different parties


is absolutely right. This issue is too big to be left to one party.


That has won, democracy has spoken and said it should be more people,


more voices in something that will affect our country so deeply. It is


in the national decades -- interest the decades to come. There is a very


big issue with Ireland, either we treated as an entity in its own


right or that the islands of Great Britain, my preference would be the


matter. Clearly the preference of the DUP would be the matter, they're


all sort of implications following from. The Irish government are well


aware of the issue. I did not mean the Irish issue, just that you are


dependent on the DUP and they are pretty strong on Brexit. If I was Mr


Barnier, the lead negotiator, listening to you this morning, I


would say it is a bit down late that you will start consulting all these


people and deciding what Brexit really means. We start negotiations


in a few days. I think he has been quite fair, he is relaxed about


having a pause, given the political uncertainty, it would be foolish not


to have a pause. So you do not think the negotiations will bring us --


begin as scheduled? I think until the general... German electoral


system is sorted out it will be difficult to get anything finalised.


But let's get this right, let's be able to bring other voices to have


their part to play, I accept that the clock is ticking on Brexit but


we don't have to rush in headlong over the next few weeks. If she


manages to pull off forming a government, did she not go into the


negotiations, given what she hoped to achieve is and has clearly failed


to achieve, she goes into the negotiations a diminished figure?


That is a problem because her reputation is in tatters. The EU do


not want a failing neighbour. We should not want them to fail either.


It would be reasonable negotiations and that's what we didn't have


before. With MrsMay we had a very closed, inflexible approach that was


hard Brexit or nothing, deal or no deal. We won't have that nothing.


What you are talking about is almost a fundamental reopening of our


Brexit negotiating position. No, I don't think it's that. Well, she is


talking about remaining a member of the single market, aren't you I do.


That's what I said, that's pretty fundamental. That would be. The


risk, to be honest, that would essentially be frustrating the


Brexit that has been agreed as far as getting to Article 50 is


concerned. We did we search with 50% Leavers and Remains and asked that


question, do you want the next Government to leave the single


market and 50% said no. Only 21% said they wanted to leave the single


market. When it came to freedom of movement, 69% said they wanted those


rights. Actually, I was not surprised... All of us have


experience of opinion polls. It was a survey, directly asked questions.


When this result came we were not surprised. Staying part of the


customs union? It's not a political union, it's not a military union.


It's not a judicial union. You want to remain a member of the single


market, and you want to remain a member of the customs union. If that


is not a radical redrawing of the Government's Brexit conditions, what


is? That would be. This customs union issue is likely to rear its


head as far as the Irish issue, a blind eye is going to have to be


turned for goods to go through the UK from Ireland. Do you fear for the


future of this country? I do, a little bit, the uncertainty is not


good news, I represent the City of London and you have seen jitters


today. I hoped we would have a definitive election result and a


very stable Government in place. You got none of that. In fairness to


Theresa May she's quickly acted this morning to get supply and confidence


arrangement to make sure we are able to stabilise things. That's in


desperation. I think it's a reality that unlike the offer from Jeremy


Corbyn and Mr McDonnell, that is... Will she recover her authority again


with the Conservative Party after what she has put them through? She


is the head of Government, I would disagree with what Gina said about


her relationship with European leaders. I am not asking about


European leaders. Will she ever recover authority with her own


party? I am confident we can recover that authority. I am not going to


say it's going to be entirely easy, this has been a bruising and


unexpected experience. I think the danger with what happened with the


campaign, with hindsight, the tone was too negative, we don't have the


hope and optimism that Labour were able to portray. We were right I


think to recognise that this whole Brexit process is going to be very


difficult and we have to level with the public about that but also to


make the case danger of what a Corbyn and McDonnell Government


would do. You had a chance to make that case and look where it got you.


We will move on. Back to you, Huw. We will be talking about the nature


of the campaign in a few minutes. Talking about a negative campaign


and talking about reports that are coming in that so far there's been


no contact or little contact between the Prime Minister and her team and


most members of the Cabinet. We will pick that up. In a moment the news.


First, the weather, as we have seen it's wet in London.


Hello there. With the expectation of northern Scotland for many more


sunshine around today compared with yesterday. But keep the umbrella


handy. Showers in western areas today, they're pushing eastwards for


the afternoon. Central and eastern England some showers could be heavy.


A lot of cloud across northern and eastern Scotland but the rain


turning lighter and patchier. Many dry through the afternoon,


especially further west and pleasant enough in the sunshine.


Showers fade away this evening. Cloud spills in through tonight


bringing rain to Northern Ireland, which will ease into Saturday to


bright and blustery weather. Rain in Scotland. For northern England,


Wales, potentially parts of Devon and Cornwall rain on and off


throughout the day. Further south and east, you should stay dry on


Saturday and feeling humid too. Many south-eastern areas dry again


on Sunday. A small chance of a shower. Sunshine coming through.


Elsewhere, sunshine and showers and feeling cooler. Have a good day.


Theresa May will go to Buckingham Palace this lunchtime to seek


permission from the Queen to form a Government, despite the general


election ending in a hung parliament. With all but one seat


declared the Tories have 318 seats, eight short of the figure needed to


form a majority. The Prime Minister is trying to stay in office on the


understanding that the DUP party will support a minority Conservative


administration. DUP sources say reports of an agreement are


premature. Our political correspondent reports.


A brief smile but it did not last long.


Theresa May's huge political gamble ended in failure.


She wanted to transform the Tories' fragile


majority into a stronger negotiating hand.


Instead, her party's ended up weaker.


If, as the indications have shown, and if this is correct, that


the Conservative Party has won the most seats,


and probably the most votes, then it will be incumbent on


us to ensure we have that period of stability and that's


As the Labour leader arrived at party HQ this


That is what we fought the election for.


This is the programme we put forward in our election.


We have done no deals and no pacts with anybody.


We are there as the Labour Party with our points of view.


The Conservatives at the count in Hastings looked glum.


The Home Secretary only just scraped home by 346 votes.


Eight of May's top team failed to get re-elected.


While the Lib Dems celebrated the return of former


Ministers like Sir Vince Cable, the party's


Ministers like Sir Vince Cable, the party's old leader had one


of the biggest upsets of the night, losing his Sheffield seat.


I of course have encountered this evening something


that many people have encountered before tonight and I suspect many


people will encounter after tonight, which is in politics, you live by


The SNP lost big names on a very bad night.


Their deputy leader Angus Robertson was ousted by the


Conservatives and their former leader Alex Salmond has lost his


The DUP have said they will make their influence felt. With just one


count still to come in, the result is clear. There is to be a hung


parliament. It's not going to be a majority Government of any colour.


It's left some questioning whether MrsMay can continue. I think she's


in a very difficult place. She's a remarkable and a very talented woman


and she doesn't shy from difficult decisions but she now has to


obviously consider her position. Are you stepping down? Sources say she


has no intention of resigning but she is weaker, has fewer MPs and


there are questions over her future. The leader of the Ukip party, Paul


Nuttall, is standing down from the job with immediate effect. Ukip


failed to win any seats in parliament and its share of the vote


collapsed. Earlier the former leader Nigel Farage hinted at a return to


politics. Labour had a strong night in Wales, reclaiming a number of


seats from the Conservatives. The results were a blow to the Tories.


They hoped to make gains in pro-Brexit areas. Plaid Cymru won


four seats, up one. The Liberal Democrats lost their only Welsh MP.


The outcome raises doubts about whether Brexit talks can begin this


month. The European Council President has tweeted he did not


know when the talks would start, only when they had to end.


Jean-Claude Juncker, the Commission President, says the EU is ready for


negotiations and he hopes the UK will form a Government as soon as


possible. Let's return to the BBC's election


special. Good morning. It is 11. 10 am. We


are back in the election centre with the latest for you on the election


outcome and of course we are one seat away from a full complement of


results. With one seat to go in Kensington, Conservatives on 318,


Labour on 261. The Conservatives the biggest party but do not have a


majority. Theresa May is facing a hung parliament and if she is to


stay in power, which she intends to do, she will probably say that


later, she will depend on the support of the DUP. A word about the


seat that we don't have, that is Kensington in a very prosperous part


of London. They were counting overnight, it's very tight. We are


told when they stopped counting because they were exhausted Labour


was marginally ahead by 30 or 40 votes. They're not going to count


again until later. We may get a result in the early evening. So, we


could be in a position where the Tories will be on 319 or indeed on


318 with Labour on 262. Basically, that's the result. It is a hung


parliament. Lots more reaction for you. If you are just joining us, the


Prime Minister will be going to Buckingham Palace at 12. 30 and is


likely to make a statement in Downing Street on her plans. Plenty


to talk about the challenges she faces and Peter Hennessy is with us


a great perspective on what's gone on in the past. In the past what has


happened at this point, what's the Prime Minister been doing? 1st


March, 1974, the previous day Ted Heath lost, it was a snap election


that snapped him up. In the afternoon, the Friday afternoon,


this is an intriguing question, if I recall correctly, he called the


Cabinet together to tell them he was going to try to do a deal with the


Liberal leader over the weekend and also went to see the Queen. Not sure


if it was before or after... On the Monday, if I recall correctly, he


had another meeting with the Cabinet to report on why he didn't think


what Jeremy Thorpe was considering offering, which wasn't very much or


vice versa, wasn't going to work. One would look this afternoon for a


Cabinet meeting to take them into her confidence how she will play it.


No sign of that yet. That's the point. We haven't heard anything


about her gathering a team around her and as well as discussions with


the DUP, whom she might want in that confidence and supply, needs to go


ahead with Brexit, who is going to be in her team? While the election


was going on, and during the campaign when there was all this


talk of 100-seat majority, talk Philip Hammond may no longer be in


post, she might be moving Amber Rudd who only just about held on to her


seat, Ben Gummer was talked about, who lost his seat, he was talked


about possibly taking over David Davis role, all these things now...


By friends of Ben Gummer. These things were being circulated at the


time. Yet we still haven't heard from the Cabinet. We are hearing a


lot of Cabinet ministers haven't heard at all from Theresa May. Far


from there being a formal Cabinet meeting as Peter suggested, there


doesn't seem to be informal points made either. Both of the main


parties leaders have big questions about how wide and generously they


open up. Does Theresa May go to people like Michael Gove who she


fired on the back benches, experienced, popular Tories and try


and bring them back? On the other side, how does Jeremy Corbyn build


further on the great electoral success he has had? Lots of the more


moderate or Blairite centrist MPs said he was rubbish and walked out.


They have been proved wrong, now some are saying so. Owen Jones


saying what a great campaign. Harriet Harman tweeting. Does Jeremy


Corbyn hold out the hand to people like Yvette Cooper and say come on


in, we are going to build a proper Labour Cabinet, that reflects all


shades. What's your... It would be generous for him to do, he is a


generous and non-mean spirited individual, I think. Lots of people


around him on the left who hate the idea of bringing wretched Blairites


in but it would be clever. He can afford to be generous. The hard van


guard left party types, a hangover group from the old days, do alienate


the centre and right in the Labour Party and an act of generosity, the


van guard Labour types do believe in exactly that, that elite group,


don't they, to carry the next stage forward? They have a manifesto to


stick to. Jeremy Corbyn hasn't had it all his own way in terms of the


manifesto on things like Trident renewal, for example. There will be


things moderate Labour MPs can hold on to and argue they could come


back. He could afford an act of generosity to bring some of those


people in, even if not at the top. Parties based on fraternity and


brotherhood find it difficult to put it into practice internally. A quick


word on more EU response. There is a very intriguing statement from


Jean-Claude Juncker. The President of the Commission. On the business


of extending negotiations on Article 50, asked at a news conference


whether the Article 50 negotiations should be extended in the light of


the UK election result, Jean-Claude Juncker replied that before


negotiations can be extended, they first need to begin. That is his


words. Clearly again question marks over whether this rigid timetable of


starting in ten days is going to happen. We heard Michel Barnier


saying we need to be in a position where people are happy to start and


will be confident in that process. We will pick up on that in a while.


We may get more from Brussels on that. Can I bring in Jonathan


Bartley, co-leader of the Greens. Thank you very much for waiting to


talk to us. Your perspective on the outcome of this election and what


are the lessons you draw? We talked for a long time about


Progressive alliances, for two years and we stood aside in 24 seat to


allow that possibility, those swing seats that would determine the


outcome of the election and in some of those it has come to fruition. We


were thrilled that there seem to have been a change in the way we do


politics in this country with the Labour Party taking up a lot of our


ideas from the 2015 manifesto and people endorsing them and voting for


them. It is great to have Caroline Lucas returning with a bigger


majority but really worried about the DUP having this sway over a


Conservative government. They are climate change sceptics and have


faced accusations of bigotry and homophobia and to have at the heart


of government is worrying. And Theresa May's credibility seems to


be shot, one mistake after another, from originally getting the job


because everyone else ran away to the problems over invoking Article


50, having to be dragged into Parliament to have a meaningful


debate and a vote on the final deal right through to the U-turn on a


general election and now this ticking over her supposed mandate to


take the Brexit negotiations. It is a government in chaos. Looking at


the figures, you have just over half a million votes in the election


which is roughly 2% which is probably half of what you got in


percentage terms last time. How difficult was it for you? It was


tough but we always knew we would take a hit. We have been pushing


hard for voting for progressive candidates and standing aside in


those seats and do have one MP with half a million votes underlined the


ongoing unfairness of the system which is what we want to change. Not


forgetting we have got almost double the number of votes as the DUP who


are about to call the shots and that shows the Observer of the system. --


of the absurdity of the system. We will hear from the Prime Minister


later, but a Conservative administration basically supported


by the DUP, ten MPs, is that the basis for a politically stable


government in your view given the challenges ahead? The DUP I don't


think are the kind of people you want calling the shots. We have just


got rid of Ukip who seems to have finally died a death but without any


MPs they were still calling shots and they said to the government to


jump and they said how hype. We saw them pursue this extreme Brexit.


What will happen with the DUP and are climate change scepticism? Will


they exact a serious price for the government being propped up? That is


a coalition of chaos. We will be hearing from the DUP later so maybe


we will get some answers to that but thank you for joining us. What I


would like to do is hear from some voters and we can go to York where


one of those big debate took place at the University. Good morning.


Absolutely glorious here in York and life is getting back to normal after


a fairly busy night with some people queueing up ready to go off on a


boat trip. A lot of people wondering what on earth happened last night


and what it means, not least our voters. Good morning, everyone. I


know between you there has not been much sleep! But a quick chat about


how you feel. You were a Labour vote and you look happy. I am very happy


this morning. I regret the fact that we can't be in a position to form a


government but it's a brilliant result from where we were. And you


are a student so how important to get out and vote? Really important.


I was persuading a lot of people to vote no matter what party they were,


it is important that students vote and the turnout has been miserable


previously and nice to see it up. And you were a Ukip supporter but


who did you vote for? I spoiled my ballot. I was very excited that none


could form a government. They were terrible. You have won a Communist


and Theresa May who is censoring the Internet, I don't think either


platform deserves to form a government. But for Ukip is


important to spoil your paper to say something? -- but for you it was


important. You had to register your dismay at the system and the parties


ignoring us. And you have been watching it all night, how are you


feeling, you voted Conservative. I did, with a heavy heart. I feel they


need to get more compassionate and get a social conscience, they are


not listening to what people want but I felt they were the strongest


party on the economy and to lead us into Brexit. I am dismayed at where


we go and how we get through that. And I was talking to you the other


day on Breakfast, a Lib Dem voter, how are you feeling? Bittersweet.


Four games is actually quite good and in new places. -- four gains.


But then Nick Clegg lost his seat. Were you shocked at that? No


comment! You put your head in your hands earlier! I did! Now the


cameras are rolling... But it was devastating because he was the


reason I got infused in politics. Had it changed how you feel about


politics? Not necessarily, it has made me more determined to change


minds. And like these guys, you are young, do you feel there is more


support for Young people now? The weird thing about this election,


after Brexit and the referendum, everybody on my Facebook page


started talking about politics and it was surreal because before that


nothing like that happened. I think Brexit changed a lot of minds and


allowed a lot of people to step into that sphere of politics when they


didn't necessarily want to get involved before or didn't care. And


you are nodding because that is important to you as well? The


enthusiasm for politics. Even if you don't vote Conservative like I do,


you should be involved in politics and make your voice heard because it


is interested in what you are doing even if you are not interested in


politics. Taxes, Internet censorship, day to day life. I'm


obviously disappointed with the result but it is not the overall


majority we wanted but it allows us to look at how Jeremy Corbyn has


done well and it allows to to change for the future and reform the inner


workings of the party and grow for the future pulls up what would you


do if you were Theresa May? I would look at forming a coalition


with sensible partners that can meet in agreement. Look at your face! I


don't think it is going to happen. As I said before, I was going to say


2-mac different pages in a book but it is two different books. I highly


doubt it is going to happen. I don't it will either, I don't think it


will be Lib Dems because neither party wants to be in coalition again


after last time and we had to deal with you. It is more likely to be


the DUP which I'm not happy with personally but it is the sensible


solution because they are slightly closer to the Lib Dems. -- than the


Lib Dems. You have bought a comfort cake this morning! You voted


Conservative and you have a cake ready to eat! It was a long night


and a disappointing night with the outcome. Off to work this morning


and I had to buy some comfort food to get me through the day! It is a


mess. For everybody, really. Thank you for joining us, we really


appreciate it, at least we got to sit in the sunshine! That is it from


me for now. Thank you very much and to all of your guests for some


fascinating views. Steph McGovern with some young voters in York. I


mentioned earlier that Jon Ford Jonker, the president of the


European Commission had made a statement -- Jean Claude Junker.


Also on the reactions of Donald Tusk and Michel Barnier on the impact of


this uncertain election on the Brexit presses which is starting


within days and I think we now have a statement from Mr Junker. All


elections are important, not only in so-called big member states, but the


one of yesterday was of particular importance. I do strongly hope that


Britain will stay ready to open negotiations. As far as the


commission is concerned, we can open negotiations tomorrow morning at


half past nine so we are waiting for visitors coming from London. I hope


we will not experience a further delay in the conclusion of this


negotiation. First we have to agree on the divorce and exit modalities


and then we have to envisage the architecture of future relations and


I hope the result of the election will have no major impact on the


negotiations we are desperately waiting for. What do we make of


that? Very carefully worded message from Jean Claude Junker. Slightly


menacing, rubbing our hands, waiting for you, we know you not ready for


us, we are ready for you. There will be a lot of that in the next few


days and a lot depends on whether the plans from the government for


Brexit under David Davies and so forth can go ahead and it will be a


big priority for Theresa May to get those going in an orderly way. There


is a plan and she will hope above all that she can get it going. The


one thing she could rescue from this, if she was the Prime Minister


who negotiated what was widely seen as a successful negotiation we might


start to forget about the disastrous election campaign she has had.


Before we join Andrew Neill, it is surely the case that now that she is


looking at these talks and having to talk to the DUP, that she might


already be having to revise the options or parameters for those


talks. The DUP take a much softer line on the single market for


instance. The view in Downing Street is that we cannot possibly be


members of the single market because that means we could not have control


over EU migration and therefore it is out but the DUP pick a different


view, like the SNP. We might start to the eighth reopening of that


single market question which would drive Nigel Farage and the hard


Brexiteers nuts with furious. Let's join Andrew Neill.


I have Paddy Ashdown with me, Dominic Grieve, John Trickett. I


have been looking at this headline from the London Evening Standard


this morning which said" May hung out to dry". It says knives out for


the Prime Minister after poll disaster. The editor these days is


Mr George Osborne, former Cabinet colleagues. Had she been hung out to


dry? It has been a disappointing result and what she was aiming to


achieve, which was endorsement of the approach the government was


going to take to the Brexit negotiations and the time to do it,


is seriously called into question. One of the consequences of this vote


is that we once again see how Brexit has destabilised the British


political system and when you have revolutionary acts like Brexit, the


trouble is it create a swing the pendulum in another direction and in


this case it has centred on young people mainly who I suspect may not


have been in favour of Brexit, but didn't actually vote in the


referendum, expressing their unhappiness by being attracted to


other options, some of which I think were economically incoherent but


nevertheless attractive. But are the knives out for Mrs May? Not from me.


Seeing that the Queen's government has to be carried on and there is no


party I think apart from the Conservative Party capable of acting


in government, the idea that it would be in the national interest to


change the Prime Minister at this stage seems to be far-fetched. The


Lib Dems hopes to milk the remaining macro constituency to become the


party of the Remain voters but it has not quite worked out. But on the


other hand we have increased our number of MPs bike 50% and name


another party leader who is don't that. We are starting from a small


base, and they are not irrelevant if you are growing not just in numbers


but in ability. You have 13 seats, that's it. Indeed and nobody is


suggesting that is a position that can build a government from


tomorrow... Your leader said there were scores of seed you were going


to win. The party is growing again and it has people with real weight,


Jo Swinson, Vince Cable, they will make a difference. The real


question, and by the way the Evening Standard headline is great, I think


it is George Osborne's revenge and a long time coming but the reality is


the Prime Minister has lost touch with reality. She has no legitimate


democratic credibility at all. She put a proposition to the country


asking for a mandate for a hard Brexit, the country returned a


resounding raspberry and yet she still goes off to see the Queen as


if nothing had happened. Executive is going to be the policy of the


government as a matter of interest? Is it hard Brexit in which case she


is ignoring the fact that the British people have refused to give


her a mandate for that or is it a soft Brexit she will now convert two


in which case you have a Prime Minister who studied at a Remainer,


became a Brexiteer, proposed hard Brexit and is now going to the EU to


say that she wants a soft one! This has all the consistency of the Vicar


of Bray. It is... Did the Vicar of Bray win yesterday? Not by any


manner of means! But she has no democratic legitimacy for the


proposition she has made. To put the dear old Queen through this process


again it is a bit like London buses, if you wait long in another


Conservative Prime Minister will come along soon and it will. She


cannot last, her position is untenable. This is a position which


she can have no credibility at home and no bargaining power with the EU.


Given the uncertainty, is Labour in a position to form a minority


Government? The first thing is, she is the Prime Minister, I went to the


civil service the other day, in charge of the transition team, had


we won, they made it clear that in the case of a hung parliament... She


has first chance. Look at the mess they're in. They've Brexit on the


19th, Queen's Speech on the same day, by the way. Then on 26th, the


collapse of the possible Northern Irish... Let me come back to the


question. Is Labour in a position to form a minority Government? We


believe we can put together the Queen's Speech which would command a


majority in the House, but that is not our option until she


demonstrates she is incapable of doing it. The constitutional


position is she needs to come to us. There are serious problems she's


created for the country and this Irish problem, she's proposing to


depend on the DUP. You want to talk about her, but I want to talk about


Labour. Let me ask you this. If, as you argue, she cannot put together a


Government with 318 Conservative MPs, how can Labour put together a


stable Government with 261 MPs? We think we can put together a Queen's


Speech that will command a majority. How with 261 MPs? We think there


will be a wide support for a range of problems facing our country. We


think we can do that. Even if you got all the Lib Dems, Paddy is


shaking his head there, even if you got all the SNP, not as many of them


any more. The one Green. Who else are you going to get? Look, we will


put a proposal to the House if we are given the opportunity by the


Queen. You have told me you think you can get it. Where does the


majority come from? We are not talking about a coalition or


anything like that. I am asking where does the support come from? We


will put the proposals down, if we are given the opportunity by the


Queen and see what happens. If nobody's able to form a Government,


then you know as well as I do, we are back into an election. You think


there may be another election this year? I think there will be an


election. Are you trying to cheer us up or make us miserable! Are we


really going to have a Government that depends on the unionists with a


power-sharing executive about to collapse? It's outrageous. Let me


ask you, Dominic, MrsMay made a calculation which has turned out to


be a massive miscalculation and has plummeted this country into


instability and uncertainty. What's wrong with that statement? I don't


disagree that the consequence of the election is to create greater


uncertainty. But the question, to come back to the point. And


instability. The question is how do we carry on the Queen's Government?


We have an immediate election, not sure the electorate would welcome


that, or we have to try to put together a policy that can be taken


forward. It's quite apparent that only the Conservative Party can do


that. This is fantasy land of Labour to suggest they can put a Government


together. Dominic is right, it is fantasy, but it is also fantasy to


think she can continue. The thing that... You think she should step


down? The thing that frightened me more than anything else, in her


explanation as to why she would see the Queen, she said the country


needs stability. The country was, oh, no, not more MrsMay stability!


There is no Prime Minister we have had, perhaps xepting only MrCameron,


who has given this country so much instability. You were right, it's a


mess. The country is broken. It's fractured. It's adrift. Doesn't know


what to do next. If the Conservative Party want to appeal to Her Majesty


and given a chance to form a Government as they are entitled to


do, they have to choose another leader. Sooner or later they will.


Is there a contest coming up in the Conservative Party? I have no idea,


I have no desire to see it. It will be more levels of disruption and not


sure where the public interest is. We are proposing to have a second


Prime Minister never elected, what a bizarre situation the Conservative


Party are... I want to reflect on this statement, if any is wrong,


just tell me. We have had two Conservative Prime Ministers who


have given this country, insisted on giving this country a vote we


neither needed nor wanted, in the interests of the Conservative Party,


not of the nation. In both cases, we vended up in a bigger mess. Why


should anybody trust any of you ever again? I have to say that my


experience of the last five years in politics is there is good reasons


why the electorate shouldn't trust any politicians ever again, that's


my anxiety about this, I would like to see some stable Government. It


seems to me that the best way forward is the way that the Prime


Minister's proposed this morning. Everything I hear from you, the


difficulty of Mrs May being the walking wounded, but trying to put a


Government together, and of the real difficulty of MrCorbyn with 261


seats trying to get a programme through parliament, that we are in a


period now of indefinite instability and uncertainty. She is the walking


wounded and who shot her? She shot herself, that's the situation we are


in. She's created, let me finish, created pressure in terms of Brexit.


Nobody decided the time-scale, expect her. Nobody decided the 19th,


it wasn't imposed on her, it was decided with her consent. Nobody


decided the Queen's Speech should be on the same day. All we should be


relying on... You have made the points twice. Yes or no, will there


be another election before the end of the year? God help us, we have


had enough. It looks like it. Dominic? I have no idea, it's


possible. I think so and we have a Labour Government, I am sure of it.


We will see. Huw, back to you. Andrew, thank you. Thank you to your


guests. Well, before we even get to the thought of another election,


there is the point about how they try to construct a Government this


time following this election. We now know the Democratic Unionist Party


in Northern Ireland is absolutely critical to the solution that


Theresa May is hoping to put together and one she may address


when she speaks later probably in Downing Street within the hour,


probably, on her way to see the Queen at Buckingham Palace. Let's


have the latest intelligence from Belfast on what that DUP mindset


might be going into this and Chris Buckler is there. Northern Ireland


only has 18 MPs and normally they don't matter that much in a


parliament of 650 people but boy do they mat they are time.


Particularly, the ten MPs that the DUP are coming out of this election


with. There is no doubt that the parties have been talking, talking


for sometime, as it is they have a good relationship at Westminster.


Even in 2015 when there was talk of a hung parliament, at that stage the


DUP and Conservatives were chatting. Working out whether or not they


could potentially do a deal. There have been some private negotiations


to ensure that the DUP would back the Tories in some of the votes that


have taken place in the last parliament. Now they say at this


stage talk of a formal agreement is premature. But they accept there


have been talks, there have been soundings and they are trying to


work out some kind of a deal. The big question is what will that be?


Will it be something of confidence and supply, they vote with them? Or


do they want something more formal in return? One thing's for sure they


will want something in return for it. That's likely to be some money


for the economy in Northern Ireland, some money of some sort. And


certainly a say in what happens in terms of the Brexit negotiations.


They believe this could put them into a good position. They are,


frankly, licking their lips at the prospect of being able to have some


kind of ear towards the Prime Minister and a Government. As these


negotiations take place, they have a range of different issues when it


comes to making sure the border is as open as possible, making sure


that potentially money comes in. They are really openly saying they


want to be a part of something here. Thank you very much. Any more, and


we will be back to you. I have a comment here from the Taoiseach, the


Irish Prime Minister and we do know that Nicola Sturgeon, the First


Minister of Scotland, is also making a statement at midday. We hope to


have that live for you. But the comment from the Irish Taoiseach


saying this, the inconclusive outcome of Britain's election


amounts to a rejection of a hard Brexit and provides an opportunity


for Ireland, he says, it's a rejection of a hard Brexit terms,


what do we think of that? Very interesting. Everybody is piling in


with their own interpretation. The truth is if Theresa May has less rum


for negotiations, will find it harder to do compromise deals, that


doesn't mean we will go to a soft Brexit direction, it might head to a


hard Brexit. It depends whose votes in the House of Commons she's most


frightened of. There is firm, clear Brexiteer group in the House of


Commons is better organised in terms of meetings and groups and making


their view felt than anybody on the other side of the arcment. When you


look at that group they're prepared to go out and go after Brexit,


Euroscepticism in a way that they put ahead of the party. Some MPs


might not be prepared to do, but they will. As you say, it depends on


the pressure. We can look at the second edition of the Evening


Standard. The front page, of course the editor is one George Osbourne.


Former Chancellor. Ever since he has taken over that job the headlines


have not been friendly to Theresa May. We now have May's Irish bail


out. I think one of the lines underneath is orange is the new


blue. Pretty provocative, you might add. But certainly true, as has been


discussed by our correspondent there in terms of what they may or may not


want. The timing is critical. She's going, as is convention, going to


the Queen to say she can form this new Government, the DUP are still


talking. They're obviously talking behind the scenes. Meanwhile,


Theresa May has got to put this Government together. Now Steve Hawks


at The Sun has said reshuffle is obviously going to happen for those


ministers lower down the food chain but who lost their seats and she


will be replacing them with people whom again will reflect, interesting


to see how they reflect the Brexit decision and the Brexit discussion.


We can see the reshuffle is certain for this afternoon.


A quick thought, Peter? On the Irish point, it's hard on a morning like


this to find anything consensual, everybody is lined up on the need to


get the Irish thing sorted as quickly as possible, the common


travel area and the rest, the Taoiseach, the Commission, Northern


Ireland people and the Government. I think there are reasons to be


cheerful but then it gets difficult to work out how to do it. But there


is a consensus there in a way there is in other places this morning.


Theresa May's Conservatives notched up 42. 4% of the vote in this


election. It wasn't enough to get them a majority in the Commons. How


does that compare with previous performances? We had a look at


Labour's historic performances earlier with Jeremy. Let's have the


Conservative now. It's a funny situation. In our


system when you have a hung parliament, whether you describe the


party with the most number of seats as having won the election or just


come first or what? Because in a sense you only win by having an


outright majority. Let's try and get context then. Let's see previous


Conservative winners and let's look at the number of seats they got.


Theresa May with 319 in 2017, not an outright majority. That's caused all


the trouble. The majority she threw away, the seats she threw away,


Conservative 331 in 2015, that was David Cameron's shock victory that


put him in control surprisingly in the House of Commons: She will be


ruing that day for the rest of her political career she decided to


revisit that result. She could have stuck with it for five years. She


didn't. Now seat numbers, how many seats were won in previous elections


where the The phrasing is important. It's


difficult to say Cameron won the election when he didn't get an


overall majority. He had to go into coalition with the Liberal Democrats


and had 307. That's below where Theresa May finds herself today.


In 1992, John Major squeaked in with 336. It was narrow. It gave him five


years of trouble at Westminster but it was an outright victory. Then the


landslide for MrsThatcher, we are picking Conservative winners here


and having a look at how many. 376. 397 against Michael Foot. That was a


very big victory for the Conservatives. We go back to the


first Thatcher win. 1979, 339. All of them were majorities. Theresa


May's isn't. That's the whole problem. She hasn't got over half


the MPs in the House of Commons. That's why all this horse trading is


starting. 1970 surprise victory for Edward Heath. From that point of


view if you are going to call Theresa May one of the winners here


in that she got more seats than any other party, she's not a very


convincing winner and may even be out of a job soon. Who knows. There


is a line of defence. We can look at this differently,


going back to the 70s and Edward Heath and his percentage of the


vote. It was in the 40s, 46%. And we're coming off the period where


the two main parties shared around 90% of the vote. We have missed is


that you're winning with 45% and in the landslide with 43% so we are in


the 40s. John Major in 1992 with 43% again and then it starts to decline


because Ukip are on the pitch and the Lib Dems are stronger and the


Greens and so on. We were thinking in 2010 we might not see the big


parties above 40%. Cameron had 37% in 2010, not convincing, and then


his majority but still in 2015 he did not have 40% so have a look at


what Theresa May has done, 44% of the vote. That undercut the


conversation about the disaster. She and her supporters in their last


ditch attempt to say this is not so bad could say that 44%, you are


talking about the proportion of the vote that Mrs Thatcher got when she


beat Michael foot in 1983 which is remarkable. Of course it is a


function of the smaller parties claiming the state and particularly


Ukip not doing much but it is interesting you can use that line of


defence for Theresa May. Maybe we should wish them luck with


that line of defence! It underlines the outcome, thank you, of a hung


parliament and a lot of signals from within the Conservative Party that


people are increasingly, really, dismayed and angered and frustrated


with the style of government. Sarah Wollaston contributing to this


chorus of voices, talking about Theresa May's special advisers.


Criticising that style of government because Sarah Wollaston, a prominent


Conservative MP, obviously feels this was an own goal and


self-inflicted and she is calling for the advisers to go. In our


earlier discussion, Theresa May needs people she trusts around her,


but you can understand why there will be a chorus saying that we need


to blame someone and if it is not Theresa May directly by calling for


her to go, we have to blame the people around her. Thing is, let's


damaged her. You suggested earlier and strongly, that she couldn't


really function without these people. Every Prime Minister has a


different style and there is no easy answer. If you go back to full-scale


Cabinet government, you have endless conversations and they get licked


and Cabinet committees have conversations and they get leaked.


In a pressure to get a tight in a team. Tony Blair rapid, he got


criticised for the sofa government but it was highly effective for a


long time. There is always a pendulum and she has gone for a


tight in a team. But if you save that you can carry on as Prime


Minister but we will remove your inner team and see how you get on,


it is difficult. There have been notable examples were her own


ministers have gone out to bat on a particular policy, controversial it


may be, and I'm thinking of the national insurance contributions for


the self-employed when Philip Hammond said they would go up, it


was a manifesto promise that had been broken, but we spoke to


ministers who supported it and as they were doing it she had


backtracked. There is bad experience. He mentioned Philip


Hammond, what is clear to a lot of Tories this morning is that she has


to go out and make new connections with key ministers and it is always


dangerous for the Prime Minister and the Chancellor to be dislocated and


that was bidding to happen. Philip Hammond is much like in the city --


that was beginning to happen. He is seen as a strong voice for their


interest inside this government and if she got rid of him that voice


would go. Very important in this case the less about the advisers but


more the ministers that she had to make better relationships with. They


will have to reach out. What is history tell us about the way that


certain ways of working within number ten had been successful or


not? Going back to the old days, Jim Callaghan and Clement Attlee in a


different way work collegial about everything. Jim in particular on


nuclear weapons and also interest rate decisions which were buried


particular -- very political at that time. And you need the gift for


political friendship and Mrs May does not naturally have that. Every


primaries to need his or her friends at times of crisis and four are all


her gifts, Mrs make is an iceberg. And a final thing on leadership, as


we know, Theresa May went into this about leadership, her leadership,


and Jeremy Corbyn was criticised endlessly for leading a party whose


manifesto he did not believe in entirely but he made a virtue of the


fact they had come to a collective view, it was a collegiate affair


will stop he was criticised for that but there will be the irony that she


has not done as well as she expected on the basis of the strong


leadership and he has done better by being collected and collegiate. What


I would like to do at this point, we were talking about the Conservative


Party performance, with 44%, Labour with 40% and before I go to Emma


Lane to talk about some of the point about what Jeremy Corbyn has


achieved in terms of the share which we need to underline -- I will go to


Emily. He has done better than anyone apart from Clement Attlee in


1945 which is a strange statement to hear, Corbyn coming from the left.


In Attlee's terms he might not be regarded as that far left, but he


has driven their share of the vote sharply upwards and that is the


achievement of Momentum and the social media campaign and the


unorthodox style of campaigning that a lot of people like us sneered at


saying it would never work but it did. It is a major game changer and


all of the British parties will look at this and our political culture


will feel slightly different as a result. And it is a delayed effect


of the huge expansion of British higher education, this vote was


waiting to be harvested. When I went to college it was 7.5% of the age


group and it is now 45% and they have tapped it for the first time.


Let's see how they did. When Jeremy Corbyn says he is ready to serve the


country he does so from a stronger geographical mandate, no longer to


be seen as the if you like hummus eating MP for Islington North, he do


so on the back of these kinds of gains, 35 overnight and in all sorts


of different areas in the country. Canterbury, Ipswich, Stroud, places


you never thought we would see Labour taking. This is particularly


extraordinary, and incredibly safe Conservative seat, it has not been


anything other than Conservative since World War I. Julian Brazier


has been the sitting MP here since 1987 and to take this was a real


feather in the cap for Jeremy Corbyn and a massive swing of nearly 10%.


And not the only outside London part that they took, you can see Stroud,


again, this Cotswolds town at small swing required but they overturned a


majority of nearly 5000, 4.5% swing and the same sort of story. Ipswich


perhaps the story of the night, one of them, ousting Ben Gummer, who


helped write the Conservative manifesto, who was tipped a week ago


to be the next Brexit secretary if she got her big majority. Sandy


Martin comes in, a tight race but a 5% swing against and the same sort


of story. There was one result we are still waiting for to complete


the map and that is tingling -- that is tending to them. This is what it


is interesting we hear there are about 35 votes between the parties


-- Kensington. These are the different constituencies bordering


Kensington. When Smith, a swing of 11p -- Westminster. Chelsea and in


the City of London you saw earlier, Conservative to Labour of just over


9%. When we look at Kensington something that seemed not even worth


considering in the target list, we are now looking very closely at


this. And I want to finish on one more comparison if we can and that


is our exit poll and how the results have fared. At the beginning of the


night we were very nervous when we said we expected the Conservatives


to be the largest party but only on about 314 seats and this is where we


end the night, lunchtime, and it is a very similar pattern with the


result in so far come all of them bar one, you can see how closely


those results tally and the psephologists were bang on once


again. Very interesting and good to underline the SNP and Lib Dem


performances because we are expecting Nicola Sturgeon to say


something within the next few minutes. We will be there


straightaway when it happens, that is the scene in Edinburgh. What do


you expect? I would be surprised if she resigns, you always wonder at


this stage if that will happen, but the old thing about there being more


pandas in Scotland than Tory MPs! I expect they will announce an


emergency panda breeding programme! We shall see! And Tim Farron, the


Lib Dem leader, is also expected to make a statement in the next few


minutes. I think that is at the National Liberal club in Whitehall.


He held onto his seat in Westmorland and Lonsdale in a pretty close run


thing. Tim Farron also expected to make a statement in the next few


minutes. Nicola Sturgeon and Tim Farron. We can join Andrew at


Westminster. Clearly if we get Nicola Sturgeon or Tim Farron we


will come back straightaway. Of course, the moment they take the


stage we will find out what they have to say it but I'm joined by


Thorsten Bell, former adviser to add Helen Loos and let me come to you


first. The Prime Minister is off to see the Queen, I think she thinks


she's got the DUP in the bag and she will tell the Queen she can form a


government. What happens next? In some ways it is actually quite


simple, we have at the campaign, and at the end of it what she has done


is lose 12 Conservative MPs and gain ten DUP MPs and carry on with a


slightly smaller majority. For all of the noise this morning that looks


like where we are going so in the short term the situation is quite


clear, she will try to carry on. Beyond that everything is up for


grabs, what happened in the Tory party, what's the DUP ask for and


how long Theresa May lasts. Can she get away with it? Not for long


because you think about the big ticket things from their manifesto,


what can she get cross-party support on? A lot of it will have to go.


Social care is interesting because there was Labour support for a


different package, but something as simple as the pensions triple-lock


or double-lock, no way you get that past now. And the DUP will want the


triple-lock looking at the profile of their supporters? It all sounds a


bit the opposite of stable and strong, weak and unstable.


Wonderfully weak and unstable and that is one of the things that makes


Parliament historically the guarantee of liberties in that there


can be an election at any point and the Tories will not want to fight


another election under the leadership of Theresa May. You are


the second person who said that this morning, but they are so disgusted


by the campaign and how she handled it. They won't let her do it again.


It was all her and her tight-knit group 's idea. It took everybody by


surprise. Her idea and it did not work out. Of course, she has lost


the trust of the Tory party. You were careful to stress in the


short-term she might get her way on this but it could unravel but since


we still have the fixed in Parliament act, if it unravels it


does not necessarily mean another election, it can mean that Mr Carbon


has a chance of forming a minority government. -- Mr Corbyn. It looks


like she will try to form a government today with the DUP and


she can try to pass a Queen's speech in about two weeks' time also if the


DUP pull out a bad deal or she cannot pass that, the get the fixed


in Parliament act for a second, just the constitution, history would


teach us that the Queen would call on the leader of the option to try


to form a government but he himself would need the DUP, not a coalition,


but he needs the Lib Dems and SNP and DUP to pass a Queen's speech and


without that we are heading for another election. What do you make


of that? That the problem for Labour, this is a good result for


them but nowhere near getting in a place where they can cobble


together... The grandest coalitions. Let me interrupt you, we are about


to hear I think from Tim Farron, the leader of the Lib Dems.


Let's hear what he has to say. APPLAUSE AND


CHEERING. Thank you all for being here, I am


the member of parliament for Oxford West and Abingdon.


APPLAUSE AND CHEERING That feels good to say! It has been


the most extraordinary 24 hours because this time, was it yesterday


or the day before, I can't remember, Tim was in Oxford having the final


rally of the campaign. We were there with all our activists saying knock


on doors until the very end. We did. And we won by the shrimp of


majorities, but what that now means is Oxford West is represented again


by Liberal values and that's what it's all about.


APPLAUSE. So, this is my first engagement as a member of parliament


and it is with great pleasure to now hand over to the man who made it all


possible, our leader, Tim Farron! APPLAUSE AND


CHEERING. Thank you, Layla, it was less than 48 hours ago, at Oxford


United's ground where we rallied the troops and asked people to work


their hardest for the final push. You did. And we got the result that


we did, I am enormously grateful to all of you and very, very proud to


welcome Layla here to the National Liberal Club. This was the hardest


of elections, marred by the tragedy of those two vile terrorist attacks


in Manchester and in London. And now the future of our country is less


certain than it was when Theresa May called this election a


month-and-a-half ago. For the Liberal Democrats, we have made


progress in incredibly difficult circumstances and we face a new


parliament in a far stronger position than we left the last one.


I am delighted to welcome back some old friends, Jo Swinson, Vince


Cable, Ed Davey, and we of course are bolstering our ranks with those


big figures who have served our country in Government. We will now


be able to put their talent and experience to shaping what comes


next. In Steven Lloyd we welcome back a force of nature, a brilliant


campaigner and a loyal servant to his constituents. Alongside Alistair


Carmichael, Norman and Tim, they are returning to a formidable team. I am


also incredibly proud to welcome new faces to our ranks. Christine


Jardina, Vera and Layla and Jamie, we have fantastic campaigners who


will be outstanding Members of Parliament for their constituents


and for our country as a whole. Now I am not just proud that our


parliamentary party is bigger, but also that it is more diverse. After


the 2015 general election we were reduced to just eight seats, all of


them represented by white men. We are not yet at the point where our


party fully reflects the diversity of our great country but we have


made real progress. While we have made great gains, we have also lost


colleagues who will be very sorely missed. Nick Clegg is a giant of


British politics, a friend and a hero to me and countless others. Not


only did he lead our party into Government for the first time in


generations, he did so in the most difficult of circumstances and for


the most noble of reasons. Our party paid a political price for joining


that coalition Government but it is nothing compared to the price our


country would have paid had Nick not shown the steel and determination to


do the right thing when it was needed most.


APPLAUSE. In 2010, our country was on the edge


of a precipe, because of Nick Clegg it survived and flourished. The


pupil premium which has helped so many children get the start in life


they deserve, would not have happened without Nick Clegg,


same-sex marriage would not have happened without Nick Clegg, the


children of asylum seekers would have remained behind bars without


Nick Clegg. The raising of the income tax threshold, which has


helped millions of people on low and middle incomes would not have


happened without Nick Clegg. I could stand here and keep listing Nick's


achievements, but it would take hours. People say they want


politicians to put their differences aside and to put the country first.


Nick Clegg did that. Have no doubt, history will be kind to Nick and the


new parliament will be immensely poorer without the insight,


expertise and passion he brings, especially to the Brexit debate. We


also say goodbye to Greg Mulholland, Mark Williams and Sarah Olney. Greg


has been a brilliant, dedicated and determined campaigner and a loyal


servant to the people of Leeds North West. Mark, a powerful voice for


Wales and for rural communities everywhere. And Sarah, in her few


short months in parliament, showed she had the makings of a brilliant


MP. She was a brilliant MP and a real star of the party's future. Our


parliament is worse off without them and I am certain that if they want


to, Greg, Mark and Sarah can return to our ranks in the future. Theresa


May called this election expecting it to be a coronation. She took each


and every one of us for granted in the most cynical way possible. Like


David Cameron before her, our Conservative Prime Minister rolled


the dice and put the future of our country at risk out of sheer


arrogance and vanity. And now in her diminished state she reaches out to


the right to form her own coalition of chaos. Theresa May has done the


opposite of what Nick Clegg did, she put her party before her country,


she has been found out, she should be ashamed.


APPLAUSE. We will now have a Government that is weaker and less


stable at a time when we are about to embark on the most difficult and


complex negotiations in our history. Theresa May promised strong and


stable leadership. She has brought weakness and uncertainty. If she has


an ounce of self-respect, she will resign.


APPLAUSE. The Tories have taken our country


for granted too many times. Whatever happens in this coming parliament,


the Liberal Democrats will fight for you, for your family and for your


community. If Theresa May or any other Conservative approaches the


Liberal Democrats and asks for our support to deliver their agenda, let


me make our position clear, no deal is better than a bad deal...


APPLAUSE. There will be no deals, no coalitions, no confidence and supply


arrangements, if the Government puts a Queen's Speech to parliament or a


budget in front of us, we will judge it on whether or not we think it is


good for the country and if it isn't, we will not support it. This


parliament faces a challenge greater than any for generations, Brexit.


And yet, both the Conservatives and Labour went to great lengths to make


sure this election was about anything but. Their plans were paper


thin. Their ambitions built on little more than platitudes. Now


they must lay their cards on the table. Brexit is about to get very


real. The phoney war is nearly over. Its consequences will be felt by


every single person in this country. One thing that is clear from the


result of the election is that the mandate Theresa May sought for her


extreme version of Brexit has been rejected by the British people.


APPLAUSE. It is simply inconceivable that the Prime Minister can begin


the Brexit negotiations in just two weeks' time. She should consider her


future and then for once she should consider the future of our country.


The negotiations should be put on hold until the Government has


reassessed its priorities and set them out to the British public. The


British people have the right to expect that our Prime Minister will


explain to them what it is that she seeks to achieve. Now my party, all


of us here gathered today, have always been proudly pro-European. We


believe as much today as we ever have that we are stronger, safer and


more prosperous as a country... The Conservatives have lost their


majority and the Prime Minister has lost all authority and credibility.


In Scotland, the SNP won this election, we have more seats than


all of the other parties combined. I want today to thank all those who


have once again placed their trust in the SNP. We will endeavour every


single day to repay that trust. As we said throughout this campaign,


SNP MPs will be strong voices for Scotland, standing up for our


country's interests and working to make Scotland the very best country


it can be. However, it is an inescapable fact that we also


suffered some bitterly disappointing losses last night. I want to pay


tribute to all of the SNP candidates who campaigned so hard, but who


won't be returning to Westminster. In particular, I want to pay tribute


to Angus Robertson, a politician and parliamentarian of immense stature.


Week after week held the Prime Minister to account, providing the


scrutiny that the official opposition in the House of Commons


failed to do. And, I want to also make particular mention of Alex


Salmond, my friend and mentor for almost 30 years, and without a


shadow of a doubt, the giant of modern Scottish politics, someone


who has devoted his life to serving this country. Both Angus and Alex


and all of the other defeated SNP candidates still have so much to


offer to public life and I very much look forward to their continuing


contributions. In 2015, the SNP achieved an exceptional, perhaps


once in a century result, traditionally in Westminster


elections, the SNP is squeezed by the main UK parties. Indeed in this


campaign we have seen the return of a dominant two-party system in


England. This makes the SNP's achievements of winning a clear


majority of seats in Scotland all the more remarkable. However, as we


do after all elections, we will reflect on these results, we will


listen to voters and we will consider very carefully the best way


forward for Scotland, a way forward that is in the interests of all of


Scotland. I will take the opportunity of saying more on that


front in the days to come. The SNP will also seek to play our full part


in finding the right way forward for all of the UK. The SNP fought this


election warning against the consequences of continued Tory


Government. The Tories have given the chance will hit living


standards, widen inequality and force many, many more children into


poverty. We will now work with others to do everything we can to


prevent that from happening and to bring an end to the austerity that


voters the length of the UK are no longer prepared to accept. And we


will work with others if it is at all possible to keep the Tories out


of Government. We have always said that we would work in alliance with


others to were moat progressive policies to build a fairer country,


we stand ready to play our part in that alliance. And it is needed now


more than ever. The damage the Tories have done to the stability


and reputation of the UK cannot be overstated. In less than a year,


they have caused chaos on an industrial scale. They wrecklessly


forced through an EU referendum, they then embarked on a Brexit


strategy decided to withdraw the UK from the single market with no idea


or plan what would come next. They called an election knowing the


result would be declared 11 days, less than two weeks before the most


important negotiations in the UK's modern history were due to start.


They were so arrogant they thought they could do anything and get away


with it. Now they're planning to cobble together an unstable


administration causing yet more damaging uncertainty.


All of this because they have consistently put the interests of


the Tory party ahead of the interests of the country. What is


perhaps most breathtaking of all, this is a party that has the


temerity to accuse others of causing division and uncertainty. It simply


cannot go on. Instead there must now be an attempt to find consensus and


bring people together. Last night has shown that the reckless Tory


pursuit of a hard Brexit must be abandoned. The clock on the article


15 negotiations is ticking and it is no longer acceptable to proceed


without a coherent plan so I'm appealing to MPs of all parties to


help keep the UK in the European single market to protect jobs,


preserve our relationship with Europe and bring some order to these


negotiations. Finally let me say this directly to the people of


Scotland. In the coming weeks and months the Scottish Government will


continue to provide the stable is that the government that our country


needs, amongst our other priorities we will carry on with our reforms to


education, support our NHS to meet the challenges of rising demand and


take the next steps in building a new Social Security system with


dignity at its heart. As First Minister it is my job and duty to


govern in the interests of everybody in Scotland. I know that in these


times that is more important than ever, and it is exactly what I and


my government will work to deliver. I will now take a couple of


questions. Do you accept... I said I would reflect carefully on the


result and I will take... STUDIO: The First Minister of Scotland,


Nicola Sturgeon, giving her response with some heavy criticism of Theresa


May's conservatives and the outcome of this election which is a hung


parliament and we are expecting the Prime Minister to leave Downing


Street in the next few minutes to make the short journey to Buckingham


Palace where she will have an audience with Her Majesty the Queen


and we are expecting her to share her plans which are to continue in


government as Prime Minister with the Conservatives depending on ten


seats from the Democratic Unionist Party in Northern Ireland in order


to control a very small majority in the House of Commons. A very sunny


day at this point in Westminster. Andrew Marr, what are we thinking in


terms of the sequence of event we are reporting? Just to the already


one of the senior aides of the Queen is in the Cabinet Office so those


conversations have started and connections are being made and when


Theresa May arrives at the prize she would have a direct conversation


with the Queen who will ask some direct and pertinent questions as


she tends to do, it will not be a smiley and formal meeting, I would


love to be a fly on the wall! There will be nobody else there because it


will be just the two of them and if Mr Mae goes he will go in with the


aquarists for a while -- Mr May. No doubt she will want to advise the


Queen who might be coming in and the plans and all the rest as Andrew


described so there is a convention and courtesy and choreography about


it. But then it will be straight to work and straight into what will be


pretty difficult times for Theresa May in terms of forming that


government, getting the personnel correctly in place. We heard from


Nicola Sturgeon, she would join any sort of alliance to keep the Tories


out and obviously that is consistent with what she has said and she also


said the SNP and she herself will reflect on the results and listen to


voters carefully for the way forward for Scotland which is code for...


Indyref2 is likely to be off. Laura Kuenssberg is in Downing Street


keeping an eye on things and final preparations are being made? That is


right, Theresa May's folder of documents containing her plans for


keeping her government going to have been put into the Prime Minister


Raqqa and her bag and things have been put in by an aide who has


snaked round the corner -- the Prime Minister car. This is the first


glimpse of her since her plans went so right. Is this strong and stable,


Prime Minister? Theresa May accompanied by her husband, Philip,


and off to the Palace. And just 12 hours ago this kind of journey she


never thought she would have to make, as that exit poll came in in


Tory HQ they simply did not believe it. They were scratching their heads


wondering how their numbers could be so different. Over the subsequent


few hours the exit polls numbers rather than the Conservatives' were


the ones that came through with an accurate picture with the fact that


Theresa May's political gamble has done so awry for the Conservative


Party. The gates of Downing Street being closed as she goes to the


palace to have discussions that really are her political nightmare


rather than the dream of a first proper Conservative majority in 30


years that she believed and hoped she was on the verge of achieving.


Theresa May travelling along Whitehall, past the Horse Guards


building at up to add multi-arch and Trafalgar Square and down to the


Palace and at the other end waiting for her arrival and to do is more


about what is likely to happen is our Royal correspondent, Nicolas


Witchell. Yes, good afternoon, it is 11 months since Theresa May came to


Buckingham Palace to be asked by the Queen to form a government which is


after the resignation of David Cameron on the 13th of July 2016


when Theresa May was asked by the Queen to form a government. 11


months later, and certainly not in the circumstances she would have


wished for or envisaged, still in a position to form a government but as


we Usain, within a hung parliament. -- as we are saying. And no longer


head of the largest party. The vehicle making its way down the Mall


with the Metropolitan Police escorting motorcyclists and shortly


she will be turning around the Victoria Memorial and into


Buckingham Palace. A good number of tourists have been watching the


changing of the guard ceremony which has been taking place as normal and


tight security with a large number of police around as you might


imagine. Theresa May, when she gets into the private audience room, and


as your guests have been saying, it will be just Theresa May and the


Queen in that audience. And the vital question is, are you in a


position to command the confidence of the House of Commons? She is the


leader of the largest party and one must assume she is now in a position


to answer that question in the affirmative. The convoy just


sweeping in now to the gates of Buckingham Palace with the crowds,


mostly tourists, clearly recognising something rather unusual is


happening, not just the changing of the guard but something of


constitutional significance. Across the forecourt and in a moment the


car will enter into the central quadrangle. And the critical


question whether she is in a position to tell the Queen that she


now believes she can command the confidence of the House of Commons.


She will go up to the private audience room of the Queen where she


will normally meet the Queen every Wednesday evening for the Prime


Minister's audience. And again, as your guests have been saying, that


is an audience only she attends. Phillip May will be taken into one


of the other rooms by the private secretary of the Queen who has been


seen this morning at the Cabinet Office and it is his responsible of


on such occasions to coordinate closely between Buckingham Palace


and Whitehall. A little unclear from the aerial shot where the car is but


it will be pulling up at the King 's entrance, as it is known where I


would imagine the Prime Minister will be greeted by Wing Commander


Sam Fletcher, the Queen's aquarists. --


Audiences vary in length anything from 20 minutes up to 40 minutes but


the Queen will clearly want to know what Theresa May's plans are, to


form a government. It is a reappointment, none of the kissing


of hands, and there is the limousine drawn up at the King 's entrance. It


looks as though the Prime Minister has already gone in and she will now


be on her way up to the audience room for this audience with the


Queen. She is the 13th person to hold the office of Prime Minister


during this long reign of Elizabeth II. More interesting than many of


those audiences but within the next few minutes the Queen will be asking


that essential question, are you in a position to form a government? The


answer clearly will be yes based on what we understand at the moment and


then the Queen will invite Theresa May to form a government. That is


all there is. There is no oath, handing over of seals, it is just a


question and answer and then a request to form a government. And


after further moment of conversation with the Queen during which I am


sure the Queen will be asking, how can you do this and what do you view


the prospect of forming a stable government as the other profoundly


important issues that Theresa May will face amid greater uncertainty


than she would have wished for at this point, but after that private


conversation between the Queen and Theresa May, one would imagine that


Philip May will be invited in for a few moments for a final conversation


before the Prime Minister leaves Buckingham Palace and makes her way


back to Downing Street. Thank you for now. A magnificent sight, all


the greenery of Green Park and St James's Park and indeed the gardens


of Buckingham Palace and the mall leading up to Admiralty Arch and


Trafalgar Square and the Queen Victoria Memorial near the gate


where Nick was talking to us from. With the Prime Minister already


inside the palace and the audience probably already starting, Peter


Hennessy, someone who has witnessed and written about a lot of these


similar processes, you reckon on average about half an hour? Half an


hour, 40 minutes, I have not witnessed one of these audiences, I


live in hope! Of course you do! Witnessed indirectly. If it is half


an hour and quite a simple matter of can you command the confidence of


the Commons, to what extent will the Queen push in terms of what has


happened and what is going to happen and likely to happen and what are


your plans? The Queen has this mixture of curiosity and vast


experience and she is also very soothing. Every prime ministers


talks about how she has this soothing effect bitterly at times of


trouble and I remember one of her private secretaries think she has


this tonic effect. I think Mrs May might need a touch of that today! --


particularly at times of trouble. The Queen has always loved political


gossip, and she says things to Prime Minister is not directly but she


would make guarded and therefore quite painful criticism at times so


it will not be an entirely bland conversation. The euphemism will


become what is going on and what is going to happen? Prime Minister,


what have you done and white?! Could you explain that to me! And I


presume Theresa May will add to start ringing round her Cabinet and


to say to them, you have still got a job or you haven't got a job because


otherwise they are going to be sitting waiting and of course they


don't want any political vacuum of any kind. She needs to be able to


say, have I got your confronted and support question and what has been


interesting, talking about the lack of sight of the other big Tory


beasts. Where are Boris Johnson and Michael Gove and Philip Hammond? If


there was some kind of plot developing against her they would be


out making coded statements but they are not. And if they are not going


to go forward and challenge, they know that anything they say and do


it will be either misconstrued or more will be read into it. We could


have a brief look in a few moments from Anushka Asthana from the


Guardian do is take there is a big mission at the top of the Tory body


on what went wrong. The postmortem will start. Some say it is down to


the manifesto and the U-turn on social care and the triple lock and


others say it was about a negative campaign that we also discussed


earlier. Those discussions will be going on amongst Tory MPs. I think


they should add over controlling to the list. Over controlled and rather


robotic. That was one of the big problems.


There used to be conventional wisdom that the campaign did not make much


difference. Don't believe that any more! Is John Curtice said, people


have usually made their minds up about the leaders before they get


into a campaign, clearly in this case that convention has not been


followed. For viewers joining us wondering what is going on, because


it is a hung parliament, we assume, Peter, that the Prime Minister would


not be visiting the palace at this point were she not very confident of


having secured some sort of understanding with the DUP? I think


she would as a matter of courtesy to report to the sovereign. That is


what usually happens, whatever has happened. We are pretty sure that


she will not have to do what Ted Heath did, which is to say I will


spend the weekend trying to do with deal with the Liberals. The Queen


has a deal to be informed, to advise and worn. I have never been anywhere


near all of this and there are no minutes, you see. George VI and


Clement Attlee were so shy that they tended to dry up so they had cue


cards, that was the only trace you ever had. The Queen, I gather, Andy


was just talking about it, she asks rather good, penetrating, Socratic


questions. They are not couched in why on earth did you do it that way?


Not at all. I remember one of the heads of the secret agencies saying


to me that when I go and see her she asks me much more penetrating


questions than any of my secretaries of State ever have. Isn't that


interesting? She had a reputation of getting to the point quickly. At the


time of the financial crash she was overheard asking some key City


people why did you not see this coming? The LSE. It was the first


time the governor of the bank had had a specific audience. The


curiosity was unbounded. Experience is extraordinary. You have made the


point that she would go as a courtesy even if she possibly had


not had a sufficient understanding with the DUP, but this opens up a


new thing, Peter, Prime Minister returns to Downing Street and it


would be extremely difficult Prime Minister did not say something in


Downing Street when she returns. What do we then expect? What will


the message then be? She has to tellers in direct terms, I have to


former government, I have been talking to the DUP or whatever, I


believe we can give Britain... Whether she dares to say strong and


stable, who knows. Surely not?! Brexit will remain my priority and I


will reshuffle my cabinet over the next day and a half. The record was


Clement Attlee in 1953, they were waiting at number ten when he came


back from seeing the king. We are carrying on, that is all he said.


Which could be short and sweet in that sense, otherwise she will have


to get into the realms of, what went wrong? If she comes onto the streets


of Downing Street she will in some sense have to say in her own words


what she thought went wrong and the mistake of calling a snap election,


and as you say it might be better to stick very much to a well-defined


script which says I am here, still Prime Minister, I have seen the


Queen and I will have a Cabinet in place. Mostly if there was any


choice between do I speak out on this occasion or not, Theresa May


has not. Any possibility of not saying anything, she takes it. We


will see what happens. If she goes for a big speech it will be the most


difficult in her life so far. The little phrase, Cabinet in place, do


we think, Andy, Jo, Peter, that some calls will have been made to key


Cabinet figures? I would be surprised if they had not. Philip --


Philip Hammond needs to know if he is remaining Chancellor of the


Exchequer, Boris Johnson needs to know if he is staying on as Foreign


Secretary. And David Davis in the key role of Brexit Secretary. That


will have been calls and soundings done. I take the point about


convention, she would have gone to the Queen, but I think if she felt


it would not be held together she would not have made that trip.


Simply Cabinet ministers have already had face-to-face meetings


with her, probably early on -- some key Cabinet ministers. Probably


through the back door. It is a remarkable example of continents on


Boris' party. Almost unheard of. An amazing 24 hours. And we have not


had a tweet from Donald Trump! The Royal Standard is flying, a signal


that the Queen is in residence at Buckingham Palace. A very busy time


for the Royal family, we look ahead to the Queen's Birthday Parade a


week tomorrow and the State Opening of Parliament which takes place a


couple of days later on Monday the 19th of June, and incredibly busy


time. Peter, again, the state opening, this timetable to get a


meaningful Queen's Speech in place with a partner in Government, a very


short amount of time. Yes. I gather that it will not be a blingy state


opening. Bala ceremony and pageantry than normal. Which is a pity,


because I like flaunting. But it will be dressed down in the informal


sense of the word. He does that when he boats in the chamber! I am too


humble. A surprisingly short speech, we would assume. There is not an


awful lot she can say at this stage if she goes into agreement with the


DUP. There will be talk of foreign affairs and getting on with Brexit


but I don't think there will be much legislation and relatively few


promises. How long do you think it has gone on


already? Let's bring Royal correspondent Nicholas Witchell


back-in. I was slightly distracted, how long do you think we have had on


this audience? I make it about 12 minutes. She went in, we did not see


her step across the threshold but it was at about 12:25pm, we are about


12 minutes into the audience of indeterminate length, but as you


have said I would imagine it might be around half an hour. Serious


business to be discussed. As we have said, soothing though the occasion


may be for a Prime Minister on what on this particular occasion, for


this particular Prime Minister must be an extremely difficult day, she


still has to answer those very pointed and pithy questions which


the Queen is certainly very capable of directing at her prime ministers


and others, and I am quite sure that in a sense it will perhaps be the


first occasion when Theresa May is able to explore with someone outside


her immediate circle, well, what did come from your point of view, go


wrong? What do you think has happened and what would you do now?


How will you deal with the considerable challenges, most


particularly Brexit? The Queen, as she always is, will be closely


interested in those answers because she maintains a close interest, a


nonexecutive head of state she may be but she has this vast experience


stretching back now for these 63, 64 years across the 12 other prime


ministers with whom she has dealt. So she will perhaps be able to offer


that little bit of calming to a Prime Minister facing very


considerable challenges within her own party, her own parliament and


within Europe, dealing with Brexit. For the Queen, of course, there is


the business of state to be handled today. She will be going to Windsor


and there is one other event that will be in her horizon, that is


tomorrow, the 96th birthday of her husband, the Duke of Edinburgh. They


will celebrate that family event at Windsor. But that is the apparatus


of ceremonial London and the significant events, Trooping the


Colour, the Queen's Birthday Parade taking place a week tomorrow,


followed two days later by the State Opening of Parliament which, as you


have said, will be non-ceremonial, not least because after Trooping the


Colour on Saturday the 17th it has been concluded that the Footguards,


Horse Guards and the rest will not have the opportunity to rehearse for


the State opening enough, that is one of the particular reasons why on


this occasion it is being done in this non-ceremonial way. So there we


can see this aerial shot of Buckingham Palace and we can see


that the crowds have certainly thinned from the front of the Paras,


-- Palace, there are considerable crowds here at this time every year


when they watch the changing of the guard. They have largely dispersed


but there are some left, particularly clustered around the


North Centre gate which is the way in which visitors generally low in


across the forecourt and in. What are we, I would say we are about 15


minutes into this audience so far. Perhaps another, who knows, 50


minutes ago. Thank you, Nick Witchell. Let's go back to Downing


Street if I can, I think they are preparing for a prime ministerial


statement. The lectern, the podium is in place in its usual place


outside the door of number ten. At least, Jo, we know there will be a


statement is expected? We have talked about that. Just think back


if you weeks ago, the last time we saw a Lachie Turner unexpectedly, I


suppose we expected this time, which appeared outside number ten was, of


course, when Theresa May announced the snap election night she said she


would never call -- the last time we saw a lectern. I will not call a


snap election is what she said. I cannot tell you the rush and the


fury around newsrooms when we saw that lectern going up outside number


ten. If I remember rightly it was not a prime ministerial one at that


stage, it was the party, that is what led to was thinking it would be


a call for a snap election. Let's stay on this. My next contribution


is rather relevant as we look at the door of number ten. George Osborne,


who is editor of the London Evening Standard, has written this in his


editorial today talking about this notion of confidence and supply,


that is the technical term for the Democratic Unionist supporting the


Conservatives. He says the confidence in her leadership is


precisely what the British people failed to give her, and supply will


mean London taxpayers sending yet more money to Northern Ireland. In


this topsy-turvy world, decisions that affect London will be taking in


Belfast. He is not pulling any punches, Andy? He is having a lovely


time. He is editor of Evening Standard but I think he has been


caught slightly by surprise by the events of the last few weeks and


months. Had he stayed in the House of Commons, we would be talking


about him as a future Conservative leader. He got out, he is in the


wrong place just as Ruth Davidson was in the wrong place at the rump


Parliament if she wants to lead the Conservative Party in the UK. -- the


wrong place in the wrong parliament. David Miliband in the wrong


continent. If you look further down in the editorial George Osborne says


it is not a sustainable position and the paper were subjected to close


scrutiny. The other people who will be scrutinised will be the DDP.


Peter, you will know that in this minority governments the people who


seem to be propping up a government commenting enormous scrutiny


themselves, as do their policies. -- the other people who will be


scrutinised will be the DUP. The last seats, the Huffington Post say


that the early tip about Labour taking Kensington is correct. Labour


was ahead by more than 20 boats on the secondary cap. That is a real


turn up. Kensington goes Labour! They will be quite rightly hailing


that is a big victory. -- is a big victory. It has not been confirmed,


but if that is the case they will claim that is a big victory. Let's


go to Laura in Downing Street. Some thoughts on what the Prime Minister


will need to do in the statement she will deliver within the next 15


minutes or so. I think she has to strike a very different tone and


close to when we saw a glimpse of her at her Maidenhead counter in the


early hours of the morning. At that stage she looked visibly shocked and


hurting from the results. The expectation the Tories had being


turned on their head. If this is to work and if she is to be able to


stay for a dignified period of time she needs to walk back in and look


like she is in charge of the moment. She is not in charge of a majority


but she needs to come back and look like the Prime Minister that she has


just told the Queen she hopes to be in terms of forming a government. It


is not that long ago since we had the formal coalition in 2010. Even


at that stage, even though David Cameron never had a majority and he


had to rely hugely on the Liberal Democrats, his supporters at the


time would say he looked the part, he always looked confident and made


what he described at the time is an open and expansive offer to the


Liberal Democrats, and with confidence strode into a very


different era of politics. Theresa May has to, to reassure her own


party and stop the sniping about this terrible results, she has to


come back and look like she is in charge. Given the personal defeat


that this is for her, although she of course is still the leader of the


largest party, that is quite some task.


Let's bring in Andrew Neil at Westminster, your thoughts, Andrew?


I think the big unknown is that we do not know the nature of the deal


that the Prime Minister has done with the DUP. We know it is not a


formal coalition of the sort that Mr Cameron had with Mr Clegg and the


Lib Dems, but we know some kind of deal has been done. We do not know


what she has given away, what she has agreed to in order to get the


support of the ten DUP members and give her and all but working


majority. Nor do we know, the atmospherics, it is not just the


arithmetic, but Mrs May will seem not just to the country but the


Conservative Party a diminished figure in British politics. Maybe


even the walking wounded by some. Several Conservatives have said to


me this morning in the course of the broadcast that they do not see her


running another election campaign, that they will not let her run


another election campaign after what has happened. So as they scrabble to


put together a minority government or a government that can survive a


hung parliament for a while, the future is still very uncertain for


this Conservative government. Nicholas Witchel is still with us, I


am wondering, I am seeing some staff in the courtyard, I'm wondering if


we might be getting to the point where Mrs made's departure could be


imminent. -- Mrs May. I would think not for the next few minutes, this


is one of the Escort vehicles but to the left you can see one of the


footmen who is looking out of the victor. The Prime Minister's car to


the left. They are standing there ready to open the door when she does


come out. We have been trying to see whether the motorcyclists who are in


the outer forecourt, they don't seem to be starting up yet. We are about


22 minutes in... There is Wing Commander Sam Fletcher, the


equerries. And there we are. And as you said, the Prime Minister


emerging after an audience of 20 minutes or so with the time almost


ten to one this Friday after the general election and Theresa May has


been to have an audience with Her Majesty the Queen as she faces a


hung parliament and intends to carry on as the primaries that at the head


of the Conservative administration with the head of support on a vote


to vote bases, not any formal grounds of the DUP in Northern


Ireland. But we have no idea what kind of deal has been struck and


what assurances have been given and no idea of the basis on which any


agreement has been reached. Maybe the pie Minister will shed some


light on that when she gets back -- Prime Minister. She will soon be


delivering a message which is meant to convince and reassure people. She


will. And as Laura was saying, it is all about demeanour, the way she


presents herself. If she wants to carry on as Prime Minister, she


needs to look and sound like one and put to one side or the self doubt


and shock of the night and come out fighting and it will be interesting


to see if she can deliver that kind of speech. She is a much less


practice figure in that sense than David Cameron or Tony Blair so can


she raised her game rhetorically and in terms of demeanour? She is not


known for being agile from her performances at PMQs and some may


argue the fact that she did not take part in the TV debates, that another


example of her perhaps showing away from having to think on her feet in


that way and you said earlier, Peter, that she likes to be in the


arena of being prepared. She will have had some time to think about


this, particularly if it is relatively short. She is speaking to


the markets, to the Tory body, swing voters, MPs. An authority will count


a lot here. And in human terms sheet must be worn out -- she must be one


out. It is bad enough if things go well but after these shocks, in


human terms you can only sympathise. We were talking about Kensington,


three words we would not associate, Labour gain Kensington. That has


been confirmed. The car passing through Admiralty Arch into


Trafalgar Square and turning into Whitehall. And going past a lot of


the big government offices including Adrien Admiralty House on the right.


We mentioned that earlier with the security crisis in the 90s. And I'm


bound to say it past the Wales Office! The Ministry of Defence on


the left. Thank you, can we stop this now! And soon turning right...


The red Lion pub! I knew you would mention that! And turning into


Downing Street and we will see the Prime Minister emerging from the car


and making that statement straightway before going back into


Downing Street to maybe complete the calls about the formation the new


government. Laura Coombs but it in Downing


-- Laura Kuenssberg. She is arriving now, we expect that she will confirm


that she will stay on as Prime Minister with some form of


arrangement with the DUP, not the scenario she had dreams of or that


she hoped for. She exits the car with her husband, who is putting a


rather grim face on it and she gets out to walk up to the podium. Only


seven weeks since she stood at that podium and announced the snap


election which she had said would not happen, the election that she


changed her mind about. And how any human being in her vision must


regret that decision. Here she is. I have just been to see Her Majesty


the Queen. And I will now form a government, a government that can


provide certainty and lead Britain forward at this critical time for


our country. This government will guide the country through the


crucial Brexit talks that begin in just ten days and deliver on the


will of the British people by taking the United Kingdom out of the


European Union. It will work to keep our nation safe and secure by


delivering the change that I set out following the appalling attacks in


Manchester and London. Cracking down on the ideology of Islamist


extremism and all those who support it and giving the police and the


authorities the powers they need to keep our country safe. The


government I lead will put fairness and opportunity at the heart of


everything we do. So that we will fulfil the promise of Brexit


together and, over the next five years, filled a country in which no


one and no community is left behind -- build a country. A country in


which prosperity and opportunity are shared right across this United


Kingdom. What the country needs more than ever is certainty and having


secured the largest number of votes and the greatest number of seats in


the general election it is clear that only the Conservative and


Unionist Party has the legitimacy and ability to provide that


certainty by commanding majority the House of Commons. As we do, we will


continue to work with our friends and allies in the Democratic


Unionist Party in particular will stop our two parties have enjoyed a


strong relationship over many years and this gives me the confidence to


believe that we will be able to work together in the interests of the


whole United Kingdom. This will allow us to come together as a


country and channel our energies towards a successful Brexit deal


that works for everybody in the country, securing a new partnership


with the EU which guarantees our long-term prosperity. That is what


people voted for last June, that is what we will deliver, now let's get


to work. The Prime Minister making a brief statement on the threshold of


Downing Street and really, Andrew Marr, I'm trying to make out that it


is business as usual. I thought the most important thing she said is


that she would carry on the Brexit negotiations as planned on the


timetable, having heard these voices from the continent saying to delay


things but she is saying no, we are going ahead on the original


timetable which strongly suggests that David Davies remained as Brexit


secretary and the plans remain as they were. The rest of it is


repeating of campaign slogans, unspecific, but the reference to the


Conservative and Unionist Party which they don't often say. That was


a very pointed reference because it is a commission of the situation she


is in and she said it in a way that I thought she was dragged to say to


everybody, and that is a natural thing, a natural fit -- she was


trying to say. A natural fit to have the Conservatives and the DUP


together in these negotiations and the government. And not even the


most glancing reference to what happened in the campaign. If you


keep it short and to the point, you just look ahead. She must have said


certainty at least half a dozen times. Not even glancing reference


to performance. No, it has played to her strengths and that is hers, she


always says that she gets on with what is put in front of let's get to


work, that will be her new trademark. It was brave and quite


impressive. Fairness and opportunity, echoes of course of the


first speech that she made at the time. People will make of that what


they will, fairness and opportunity for the whole divinity, working for


everyone, all those statement she made when she stood there -- for the


whole community. Laura is there for us. A pretty grim faced Theresa May


but emphasising that word she used throughout the campaign, certainty.


Not giving any more details of how she would work with the DUP, she


said they will continue to work with friends and allies, suggesting as we


expected that the arrangement between them will be very loose,


nothing formal at all. One wonders therefore in the rough-and-tumble of


the next few months, perhaps the next few weeks, how the bonds


between those parties might be tested. I think in terms of getting


back her composure, certainly it was a very different Theresa May to the


one we saw standing at her count in Maidenhead when she looked almost


broken by the result is the picture was emerging overnight. No question,


she might have walked back in as Prime Minister but she walks back


into number ten are diminished figure, a politically damaged


figure, still Prime Minister but for quite how long? And given that we


are talking about her status and position as Prime Minister, a


thought on the event this afternoon and how soon you think we will be in


a position to hear her confirming who is in and out the Cabinet? I


think that any plans she might have had for our bold reshuffle, moving


her neighbour out of number 11 or making big switches around in the


top team, I would expect, and I'm speculating, that she would be


encouraged against making any big changes. Her diminished stature of


course gives more power to the rest of the people around the Cabinet


table. She needs their backing, it has been conspicuous, really


conspicuous this morning, that whether by accident or design and I


suspect design while the situation with fluid, we have not seen the cam


and administers coming to her defence publicly, silence instead --


the Cabinet ministers. They have not put a ring of steel around Theresa


May and I expect she will certainly be called on to change her style and


expand her circle, to rely on more people also I think that will have


an impact on the scale of her reshuffle. We might well find that


all she does is replace those who have lost their jobs with people


further down the ranks. Don't forget overnight she lost eight ministers,


only one Cabinet minister, Ben Gummer, and what a metaphor, the


minister in charge of coordinating the manifesto, the manifesto that


for many people appears to have been such a part of the root of all of


the Tories' disaster overnight. Quite a strange situation, the


leader of the biggest party, with the biggest share of the votes but


so diminished by the decision of the British people who did not like what


they saw. And finally, we are looking at a House of Commons that


will look very different with a different character, what are your


thoughts on how it will conduct itself in the weeks and months to


come? It will be fascinating to see, how will Jeremy Corbyn responds to


his new-found strength? Will he reached out to his prominent


critics, many of whom have real experience in the front bench? Will


he strengthen in that way? How will the SNB behave without their


dominant leader in Westminster, Angus Robertson, one of the biggest


scalps -- the SNP. We are in for all sorts of interesting elements as the


political Rubiks cube turns around with new faces and patterns emerging


but one thing I would say is that it will not be straightforward.


Thank you, Laura. The one o'clock News, by the way, follows very


shortly with Sophie Raworth, we just added a few more minutes for us to


really undermine the magnitude of what has happened overnight, and


that's being underlined by some of the responses from conservatives.


Despite the fact that Theresa May says the largest party of the


largest number of votes, we have Tories like Heidi Allen, we as


Conservatives will learn from this, we will listen, collaborate more and


demonstrate greater vision and compassion for all. We had to


change. With the emphasis on the have. It is not lost on anyone that


Heidi Allen has opposed her own Government in the past as a


backbench MP on some of the measures that she felt were too harsh, this


is the type of pressure that will come to bear. In the weeks to come


and when legislation is put before the house. That is just one, we have


heard from Sarah Wolviston already. These people will not remain quiet.


Low blow both of the main parties badly shaken or changed in many


ways, I am stripping compared with Peter but I have followed the House


of Commons since 1984 and I think it will be the most interesting


parliament of my political lifetime -- I am a stripling compared to


Peter. She was timed in modest to say so but we had to pay more


attention to Laura Kuenssberg! I think that is good advice. Peter,


your thoughts after the last 15 hours? One of the greatest upsets


since the Second World War which will be scarred and seared in the


memories of the country forever because of the atrocities at


Manchester and London Bridge. Andreu, Jo and Peter, I want to


thank you. I am bound to thank Emily and her team. Thank you to John


Curtice, Jeremy Vine and their teams as well. It is not just those in the


studio, an army outside the studio performs all sorts of vital tasks.


Without that, we would not be on air. It is not just in the BBC


Election Centre, it is all of us, thank you very much. It has been a


remarkable 15 hours and I don't think anyone expected to be in this


position, least of all Theresa May, who went into at the majority and


has come with no majority, a hung parliament, she will have to depend


on an informal deal. Stumbling along, as her opponents would say,


with the Democratic Unionists. A hung parliament with many questions


to be answered. Coverage continues on the BBC News Channel, the BBC


News at one is coming up, but I will leave you with some of the enduring


words and images of the last 15 hours.


It is the third time in just over two McCready is that we have come to


discover the result of the major UK wide poll. -- in just over two


years. Will the Conservatives get the seats they need to win outright


or will Labour close the gap? Never before have we gone into an election


with such diverse prediction. By the magic of psephology we can predict


what we think has happened tonight. And what we are saying is that the


Conservatives are the largest party. They don't have an overall majority


at this stage. The Conservative Party have lost their overall


majority and will be short by 12 votes, 12 MP short. If these numbers


are correct than Theresa May has played a high risk political gain


and it appears she may have lost a gamble. The reaction from senior


Conservatives, I have talked to a few, is they flatly do not believe


it. It will give enormous power to


Jeremy Corbyn, not just in parliament but within his party.


The pound is down around 2% already against the dollar, it is down


against the euro. Boy, old boy, oh boy, will we be hung, drawn and


quartered if this is wrong?! Chi Onwurah, Labour Party, 24000 and 71.


It is the first sign of the night that maybe the country will drift


from the Conservatives to the Labour Party. I don't know what has


happened to Sunderland, they were beavering away but nothing seems to


have happened. All those white grubs that running around. Julie Elliott


has been elected to serve as member for the said constituency.


Immediately better for the Conservatives than the exit poll


suggested, worse for labour than the exit polls suggested. We are getting


really conflicting signals. Help me with the technology for a moment, it


does not matter if we see you! Gobbler we will need anywhere to the


caveat soon. The SNP are on 34 seats, they would lose 12. A real


triumph the Ruth Davidson. It is much less likely we will see another


Scottish independence referendum any time soon. No election is complete


without the swingometer, where is it?!


Nick Clegg, Liberal Democrats, 19700 and 56. In politics, you live by the


sword and you die by the sword. The electorate gives with one hand and


takes away with the other. Will you come back into active politics? I


would have absolutely no choice but to do exactly that.


I am standing down today as the leader of UKIP with immediate


effect. Extraordinary, Labour has done serious damage to Conservative


seats in England. The worst possible outcome would be a hung parliament.


I would have thought that is enough to go, actually. Contrast that with


the face of Theresa May, the look of a woman defeated, heavily made up as


if she had been in tears earlier. At this time, more than anything else,


this country needs a period of stability. Are you still a moron?


Jeremy has performed better than anybody, probably even Jeremy,


expected he would, and Theresa May has performed infinitely worse. She


has to content with the absolute horror of her party. She has to


consider her position. We have tried to get Boris Johnson to talk to us,


no. David Davis, no. Philip Hammond to talk to us, went to his count,


no. Senior figures in the Tory party, keeping Stumpf.


It looks as though our forecast will prove remarkably accurate. Maybe in


the end the most accurate exit poll yet. It is a hung parliament, that


is the story. Nobody has won, who is best to form


a stable government in the interest of the people? We believe the Labour


Party. Theresa May has no intention whatsoever of resigning, she will be


than a couple of hours to go to Buckingham Palace to seek permission


from the Queen to form a government, and the way we understand she will


do that is with assurances from the Ulster Unionists that they will see


her through in Parliament. Not a formal coalition but an


informal understanding between the Conservatives and the Democratic


Unionist Party. I hope that the result of the


election will have no major impact on the negotiations we are


desperately waiting for. The government IVF will put -- the


government I read will put fairness and opportunity at the heart of


everything we do so that we will fulfil the promise of Brexit


together, and over the next five years, build a country in which no


one and no community is left behind. I've had enough...


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