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from me, David Dimbleby, here's the news witty Louise Minchin.


Theresa May's decision to call a snap election has backfired


as the UK wakes up to a hung parliament.


The Conservatives have lost their majority,


Labour has done better than expected.


And Jeremy Corbyn has called for Theresa May to resign.


The Prime Minister says the country needs stability.


The night saw both Alex Salmond and Nick Clegg lose their seats.


Our political correspondent Tom Bateman's report


A political gamble - the hope that she would transform


the Tories' fragile advantage in Parliament with a huge win.


But the smiles of the campaign trail have vanished.


Forecasts suggest the Conservatives may end up even worse off,


If, as the indications have shown, if this is correct,


that the Conservative Party has won the most seats, and probably


the most votes, then it will be incumbent on us to ensure we have


that period of stability, and that is what we will do.


And you can see what the Labour leader makes


A man whose campaign confounded many expectations.


Beaming smiles, with Labour on course for a far better


The Prime Minister called the election because


Well, the mandate she's got is lost Conservative seats,


lost votes, lost support, and lost confidence.


I would have thought that is enough to go, actually.


In Battersea, Labour have ousted a government


Labour held Cambridge, increasing their majority by 12,000. They took


Peterburg from the Conservatives, boosting their share of the vote by


12%. The Home Secretary Amber Rudd


only just scraped home In Sheffield, the Lib Dem's former


leader Nick Clegg has lost his seat. I, of course, have encountered this


evening something that many people have encountered before tonight,


and I suspect many people will encounter after tonight,


which is in politics you live by the sword and you


die by the sword. The night began with


a projection - the exit poll. This morning, with most seats


counted, the BBC forecasts the Conservatives as the largest party


but short of an overall majority. The SNP have lost on a disappointing


night. The SNP have lost big names


on a disappointing night, compared with their Scottish


landslide two years ago. Their Deputy Leader Angus Robertson


was ousted by the Conservatives and their former leader Alex Salmond


lost his seat too. Now one of Theresa May's own MPs


is laying the blame on her. I think she's in a very


difficult place. She's a remarkable and a very


talented woman, and she doesn't shy from difficult decisions,


but she now has to The festival of democracy has been


on full show, as have the upsets. Theresa May arrived at party HQ


knowing there are those who say this result should be the end of her


Premiership. Now dawn breaks on renewed political uncertainty. Mrs


may wanted a strong, stable and triumphant return to Westminster


ahead of Brexit talks. She has ended up weakened, with fewer MPs and


calls for her to go. In Northern Ireland, both the SDLP


and the Ulster Unionist Party It was a successful night


for the largest parties. The Democratic Unionist Party won


ten seats, Sinn Fein won seven seats but will continue to abstain


from sitting in Parliament. The result could see the DUP play


a key role in any potential coalition negotiations


with the Conservative Party. In Wales, the Labour Party had


a strong night, taking back a number The results represent


a blow to the Tories, who had hoped to make


gains in pro-Brexit areas. Plaid Cymru won four seats,


and the Liberal Democrats Meanwhile, Ukip have failed to win


any seats in Parliament. Their share of the vote


collapsed across Britain, and their leader Paul Nuttall came


third in Boston and Skegness. The Green Party remain


unchanged, with one seat. The party co-leader Caroline Lucas,


who held Brighton Pavilion, said the Greens will never support


a Tory government. The Greens are forecast


to win 2% of the vote. As the markets across Europe open


this morning, traders will react They are bracing themselves for a


volatile day. Overnight, sterling suffered one


of its biggest falls since January, sinking at one point


to a low of almost 2% against the dollar and the euro


after the initial exit poll. Let's take a look at this morning's


weather, with Matt Taylor. Good morning, well, weather-wise, a


brighter day across the UK. A bit more sunshine. A few showers so


don't leave home without the umbrella. Showers across western


England, Wales and Northern Ireland, working eastwards, into central and


eastern England for the late morning and afternoon. Some heavy and


thundery. Scotland starts work at turning more dry and right. Cloudy


in the north and east. Temperatures 17-22, tonight the rain will spread


in from the west across the country. Saturday, a wet start to the weekend


across western areas. Time now to cross


over to Huw Edwards. A very good morning from the BBC


Election Centre. It has been a long and very eventful night. Let me tell


you, it's going to be a long and very eventful day as well, because


nothing has turned out as people expected. Even until that late hour


of 9.55 last night. If you are just joining us on BBC One, let me show


you the state of play. The screen on the Houses of


Parliament tells us clearly that Theresa May has lost the majority


she went into this election with. We are looking at a hung parliament.


326 is the finishing line. That is the magic number you need to be in a


majority in the House of Commons. But the Conservatives will not be


there. It is, however, likely that if they combined with the Unionists


in Northern Ireland, they can get past the finishing line in some


form. But believe me, we are nowhere near that yet. A few results to


come. I will introduce my guests. Let's say this mildly, there is


quite a lot for us to talk about today. With me, Norah O'Donnell, the


former Cabinet Secretary. It is good to have you with us. -- Lord


O'Donnell. You can shed light on the turmoil going on in Downing Street


today when they think about that permutations. Jo Coburn, my


Westminster colleague, giving us analysis and bringing us up to date


with what is going on. And Andrew Marr, of the BBC, is with us. We are


going to Richmond Park for the declaration first.


I declare the total number of votes is as follows. Zac Goldsmith,


Conservative Party, 28,000 588. Peter Joule, Ukip, 426. Sarah Olney,


Liberal Democrats, 28,543. The total number of ballot papers


rejected was 131. Because votes were given for more than one candidate,


19. Because they were unmarked or void, 112. The turnout was 79.3%. I


hereby declare that the said Zac Goldsmith is Julie elected as Member


of Parliament for the Richmond Park constituency.


A majority of just 45, a very high turnout of 79%. Sarah Olney, of the


Lib Dems, who won the by-election, pipped at the post by Zac Goldsmith,


who is re-elected in this part of South London. I just want to start


by thanking the returning officer for organising what was a very


difficult process. And all of the counters, many of whom are still


here today. You will be delighted to know that is the end of the


counting. I am very grateful to them and the returning officer for their


extremely hard work. They have ensured the election has been safe


and effective and smooth, and we are very grateful to them. Before I talk


about my own team, I want to pay tribute to my fellow candidates,


particularly Sarah Olney, my predecessor. That sounds a bit odd,


but my predecessor. And my fellow candidate Peter, who is not here


now, but a pleasure meeting him and Cate and I wish all three the best.


I cannot stand here and not thank my own campaign team. People have given


up five weeks, night and day, just simply from the goodness of their


heart. Working their fingers to the bone to deliver this result. This is


their results. The fact it is such a narrow margin, I think, means


effectively that this is owned by all of us. It is extraordinary and I


am just so grateful to all of you. But more than anything, I am


grateful to my constituents for having put their trust in me again.


I hope they know I will never let them down. We have the most special


community in the world. Representing this community is an unimaginable,


incalculable honour, and something I am so excited about doing over the


next five years. We have challenges, but so many opportunities, and I


look forward to working with all of you to ensure that we take advantage


of those opportunities. Thank you very much indeed. Zac Goldsmith,


returned as the Conservative MP for Richmond Park. A few words from


Sarah Olney, the loser by 45 votes. He won the by-election there just a


few months ago. Back to the studio. That is within the results we were


forecasting. We now have the Conservatives on a forecast of 318,


eight short of the 326 needed. Let me underline again at 7.13 on Friday


morning that Theresa May has lost the majority she went into the


election with, against lots of the expectations. So the day will really


be focusing on what kind of government we are looking at, and


indeed whether Theresa May will be heading that government. Andrew


Marr, your thoughts at this stage. The second most important question


is does Theresa May stay as Prime Minister? She has met Cabinet


colleagues already this morning and the advice strongly is she has a


duty to stay and hold the Government together. You cannot go into a Tory


party leadership contest with the hullabaloo and mayhem that would


involve right before Brexit negotiations. Which leads me to the


single most important question, what happens to the Brexit talks? A Prime


Minister has no -- who has no authority in the House of Commons,


to deliver the kind of compromise she is going to be asked for, that


is why we had the election, and now she has two govern with almost


certainly the DUP from Northern Ireland. The DUP's Arlene Foster


takes a very different view on things like immigration control, the


single market, hard borders. I have talked to senior members of the


Conservative government who don't believe it will be possible to


deliver the kind of Brexit deal they have been planning in these new


circumstances, because they have a coalition in the House of Commons


which includes everyone from Tory Remainers like Anna Soubry and Ken


Clarke, the DUP, and very hard-core Brexiteers... How does that


coalition deliver a clear negotiating position? It probably


means a period of very, very slow-moving negotiation, and no deal


possibly, and certainly not a hard Brexit or the soft Brexit that many


people think can emerge out of this. Gus O'Donnell, I am wondering, your


successor as Cabinet Secretary today, looking at this set of


results... Clearly there is enormous uncertainty. What is going on there


right now? I am pleased because, from the lessons of 2010 and the


coalition, we have always prepared for all possible outcomes. So they


will have gone through this one. The numbers here are particularly


difficult. It's quite clear. It looks to me we are talking about


minority government. We are talking about a situation where the Prime


Minister, this is very important, the Prime Minister has to stay as


Prime Minister for now. Short-term, it's very important that we have a


Prime Minister. Those negotiations on Brexit will be nonexistent. And I


think the reason we need to think about this is, think of it from the


other point of view. It takes two sides to negotiate. The EU I going


to say, well, who are we negotiating with? Will this Prime Minister be


around? What is their position? Fall of the good reasons Andrew said, I


don't think there is a position. What the EU is very good at is lots


of process and no substance. There will be view was watching and


thinking, hang on a second, Article 50 has been triggered and there is a


strict timetable. So there is a limit to how much you can delay and


fudge? Exactly. So, eventually we will get


to that two-year deadline, which can only be extended if the 27 agree on


it, starts to bite. But that is a very asymmetric process. It is


really good for the 27, because they will threaten us with, OK, no deal,


you're out, WTO terms, that's very bad for us. So this is not good news


for our Brexit negotiations. One of the ironies about the campaign was,


it was supposed to be the Brexit election, that is how Theresa May


describe it, she wanted to have an even bigger mandate. But actually,


until the very end, the last few days, we heard very little about


Brexit, we heard very little about the shape of the Brexit negotiations


which Theresa May wanted to take the country towards. Yes, coming out of


the single market, yes, perhaps coming out of the customs union,


too. So, in a way, the 27 would not know exactly what was on the table.


And now, Theresa May will have to rethink on all sorts of levels, if


she stays, which she will have to, for the short-term, what is she


going to do within her own team? There will be those who say, you


need to listen to us a little more carefully. May be Philip Hammond,


there were rumours she was going to reshuffle him out of the Cabinet -


that looks very unlikely now. Boris Johnson may have a bigger say. That


small team around Theresa May is not going to be able to wield the kind


of power and control... That system has gone. I think so, without a


shadow of a doubt, and that is going to have a big impact on the


negotiations. And I think the most important single cabinet minister


now is David Davis... Mr Corbyn is just emerging... This is in north


London, of course, where Mr Corbyn lives. Just waving and looking, I


think it is fair to say, Andrew Marr, rather pleased with things,


although we must underline, they actually lost the election! They


did. All the way through, Jeremy Corbyn slightly undercooked the


triumphalist bit, and people like that, he comes across as quite


humble, slightly surprised that where he is and so far -- so forth,


that is part of what has gone so well in this election for him. I was


going to say, David Davis, as the Brexit minister, he is the one who


understands how far these negotiations have got, what the


Brexit department looks like, what the really difficult issues are.


From now on, it's going to be are really, really hard business of


party management, on the one hand in the House of Commons, while trying


to do these negotiations, on the other. It means every single time


the EU comes to the British side and says, we can give you this or that,


we have to ask ourselves, will the Conservative Party where it? I have


been covering elections since 1983. If there is one really predictable


headline, it is, Conservative Party at war over Europe. It has been the


case all the way through and it still is. Just something on the


logistics of this morning. So, Theresa May, if she agrees to stay


on as the Prime Minister, and you seem to be suggesting that that


would be the will within government, for however long that is, will there


be a visit to the Palace, all the kind of stuff we see normally on the


morning after an election, will that happen? Well, it is not certain one


way or the other. If I were Cabinet Secretary, I would be advising the


Prime Minister to go to the Palace and explain to the Queen the


situation and explain how she is going to manage at least the next


few days and the run-up to the Queen's Speech. Issue going to try


and go to the House? The key in our political system is, who has got the


confidence of the House of Commons? Who can get the Queen's Speech


through? I think she would be very well advised to go to the Palace and


explain tactics. And another quick thought, just on the planning - if


they are looking at some kind of agreement, not a formal coalition


but some kind of agreement, with, let's say, the Ulster Unionists,


would the senior civil servants be part of trying to set out some kind


of informal deal or not? Again, that is up to... So, when we did the


coalition, we facilitated the Conservatives and the Lib Dems


coming together, but in the end they decided to have their meetings in a


room with no civil servants there. . At this moment, do you not expect


there will be somebody inside Downing Street with the DUP


manifesto on the desk, going through it and saying, Arlene Foster said


this or, ...? I am fairly certain they already will have done that.


You know that the DUP is crucial. We have been here before as well.


Before, the text was the Cabinet manual, I think now, people will be


going back and watching the House, because this is more mid-1970s.


Let's pause for a moment. The story of the night is that the


Conservatives underperformed rather dramatically, but Labour made some


rather dramatic gains as well. Let's talk through some of those games


with Emily. Seeing those pictures of Jeremy Corbyn just a few moments


ago, I was reminded of one of the things we learned from the US


presidential election, which is sometimes, you have got to follow


the noise. All the noise on that campaign was with Donald Trump. I am


not making any comparisons, except to say that if you are at the way it


was going up to the last few weeks, the noise, the buzz, was definitely


with Jeremy Corbyn. And if you have woken up and wondering what happened


last night, I can show you how we have got to where we are, with some


of that noise which has translated into real and extraordinary gains.


The first one I am going to start with is Canterbury. This has been


Conservative since World War I. Julian Brazier has been the sitting


MP since 1987. They had a majority of nearly 10,000, and Labour has


gained it on a majority of just 187. It is an extraordinary thing for


them to take, it was number 104 on their target list. And another one,


this should ring bells for anyone who remembers 1997 and that Portillo


moment. I'm not drawing any comparisons with 1997, or between


Blair and Corbyn, except to say, Enfield Southgate is back on the


radar again. It was safe Conservative, it goes Labour often


in landslide kind of votes. It had a Conservative majority of nearly


5000. Now replaced by Labour. Stroud, also on the Labour target


list. Battersea, an area of London which is gentrifying, it has got


posh housing coming through, it should have been very easy Tory


hold, but Labour has outperformed itself even in London. The Treasury


Minister Jane Ellison loses out and Labour games to seek, a key


marginal. In Scotland, Rutherglen and Hamilton West has been taken


from the SNP. 9% swing towards Labour. Kirkcaldy, Gordon Brown's


old seat, another game for Labour from the SNP. Even bigger swing,


nearly 10%. Glasgow North East, this was an SNP gain from Labour in 2015,


this was the biggest swing of the election, 39%, and Labour has


overturned that this time round. 13% swing back to Labour. They have had


an astonishing night both in England and Scotland, with these sorts of


seats changing hands. Emily, taking us through some of the notable gains


mall there is a big story to talk about in Scotland, and we will be


looking at in the next minutes. Let's join Andrew Neil on the Green


with some guests. Thanks, it is a glorious day here in the heart of


Westminster. We are just across the road from the Palace of Westminster.


I am joined by John Redwood, the trend Tory backbencher, and Philip


the, a minister in the Ministry of Justice. John Redwood, what went


wrong? I think people look at what Mr Corbyn was saying, and they said,


we would like a bit more spent on public services, and the students


loved the idea of not having to pay student fees, although it was not


quite clear how the country was going to afford all of that. And so


we got this interesting answer, the country said, yes, they want a


Conservative government, they like Theresa May, because we are the


biggest party... They didn't! And we will have a fair majority in the new


House of Commons. The British people...! They also listened to


what Mr Corbyn has been saying, because they would like a bit more


spent on public services, and I'm sure that is something we will


review very carefully! Pretty disastrous decision, to have a


working majority, call an election and lose that working majority? I


was very supportive of Theresa May calling the election, she needed a


personal mandate, a mandate to do the Brexit deal. She didn't get it!


No, she didn't get it, and I would not be as up eight as John appears


to be. Nobody has hosted this election. I think what is clear is


that we have a number of seats to form a government, we WILL form this


next government, in combination probably with the DUP, I am


guessing. But we shouldn't say, continue as we've been doing. The


idea that we shouldn't change our approach, off the back of this


result, I think is ludicrous. What would you change? I think I would


change, I think there is a very tight team, I think it needs a


broader base. It is difficult to interpret the results, but I was in


a seat which voted Remain in 2015, the seat itself was probably


narrowly Brexit, the results I was getting on the doorstep was very


large numbers of unhappy Conservative Remain photos. And in


addition to that, there were lots of young people, in groups, turning up


at polling stations in my patch, and the Labour vote has almost doubled.


I cannot in all honesty say that we should just continue along the same


path. But I can say that Theresa May should remain Prime Minister for how


long? I not going to put a time on it. As John has said, there is


clearly a difference in the number of seats the Conservative Party have


won, compared to the Labour Party. But she is holed below the water


line! By what standard could what she has done be regarded as a wise


decision? This has not been a good result for us, that is pretty


obvious. Why DID you get this outcome, what went wrong? I have


just tried to explain that. I think there is clearly an aspect of the


youth vote, I saw that myself on the ground. And in part I suspect that


is to do with the tuition fees policy of the Labour Party. But you


only have to look at the result in Battersea, in Putney, and indeed in


my own part of the world, we have lost a fantastic colleague in


Reading East, Reading East posted strongly to remain. If you want to


look at a result which indicates what went wrong, look at that result


in Reading. This is me said she needed a mandate for the two begin


negotiations - she hasn't got a result for the Brexit negotiations,


so where does that leave her? I think this is also about spending


and the attitude towards the public services. If people had thought the


main thing they wanted to do was to reverse the referendum, they would


have voted Lib Dem in droves. That was a very clear, straightforward


proposition, let's have a second referendum, let's stay in the single


market. But she wanted a mandate?! They were both running on more less


the same proposition, that you accept the verdict of the


referendum, and you know that means you leave the single market but you


want the best possible free-trade access. So I think, because of the


combined Conservative and Labour vote, there is a very, very strong


national mandate to get on with delivering what the public voted


for, and to have that best possible solution. Let's not rewrite history.


Let's just remind ourselves come this election was called because Mrs


May wanted a Brexit mandate to go into the negotiations. Instead of a


Brexit mandate, she lost her majority to go where is the


mandate?! I am just explaining, Andrew, yes, she wanted to get out


big overall majority, but Brexit mandate lies in the fact that the


main parties went around the country saying, we can't stand Brexit, we


need a second vote, were roundly defeated, and the people voted for


the two parties who both said the same thing - accept the Brexit


verdict and get the best possible deal and remember that we are not


leaving Europe, we are just leaving the EU. That was a very clear


proposition which the British people signed up to. And in Scotland, they


clearly rejected a second referendum on Scottish independence. It is a


sign of how bad the campaign has been for you that you did better in


Scotland and England, when did you think you would say that?! This I


would say to you is a disastrous personal result for Mrs May. She


began this campaign very popular, but the moment people got to know


her and see her, they didn't rate her any more and her ratings


collapsed and her party's ratings collapsed, so her job must surely be


on the line? No. It has been a tough campaign.


But she secured 43% of the vote, and that has not happened since 2001.


Between the two, the country has decided Theresa May should be the


Prime Minister, not Jeremy Corbyn. The country's decision is we are not


sure. I'm not sure there has been a clear decision about what the


country wants in terms of policy, but I think you can conclude that


once I'd got more votes than the other, so therefore the Prime


Minister should stay put. -- that once I'd got more than the other. --


one side got more than the other. It is not about whether we Brexit or


not. It is about the type of Brexit. The clarity is not there. The Labour


position is different from our position, different from the Liberal


Democrat position, different from the SNP. Everybody is different. To


sit here and claim that you know what the British public wants from


the Brexit deal is nonsense. Do I think Theresa May remains Prime


Minister? Most certainly I do. But I recognise that in view of this


result, we can't maintain the same approach. We can't just stay the


same, otherwise what was the result all about? She will only stay by


Minister if she can put together some sort of coalition, a deal with


the DUP, in other words we might have a coalition of chaos under the


Conservatives. Absolutely no way. It sounds as if she will have enough


votes to govern without having a formal coalition with anybody. She


will have to have arrangements in place. Why? Otherwise she will be a


minority government. If you take out the seven Sinn Fein members who


don't come to Parliament, the Speaker and so on, she will have


enough votes to remain as Prime Minister and have considerably more


seats than the Labour Party. It's going to be a busy day in


Westminster. The Conservatives trying to come to grips with a


result they never expected. Thank you, Andrew. While he was


talking to his guests at the Palace of Westminster, the latest word from


Downing Street, Jo? Laura Kuenssberg, our political editor,


says the timing of has no intention of resigning. Working on forming a


government being the largest party in seats and votes. That is the


latest word. Official in that sense. We can explore what is underneath


that statement, but that is from Downing Street and it's the latest.


We will discuss that with Gus and Andy in a moment. It is 7.30, a


quick update of the news. Theresa May's decision


to call a snap election has backfired as the UK wakes up


to a hung parliament. Some pollsters had predicted at the


start of the campaign that Mrs May would win a landslide for the


Conservatives. Instead they have lost their majority.


They will head back to Westminster as the largest party but with 12


Speaking as she was re-elected to her seat in Maidenhead,


the Prime Minister said the country needed stability.


As we look ahead, and we wait to see what the final results will be,


I know that, as I say, the country needs


a period of stability, and whatever the results are,


the Conservative Party will ensure that we fulfil our duty


in ensuring that stability, so that we can all, as one country,


Labour have done better than expected, gaining around 30 seats.


The party now have 261 seats overall.


In Islington North, the leader Jeremy Corbyn held his seat


He's calling on Theresa May to resign.


If there is a message from tonight's result, it's this. The Prime


Minister called the election because she wanted a mandate. Well, the


mandate she's got is last Conservative seats, lost votes, lost


support and lost confidence. I would have thought that's enough to go,


actually, and make way for a government that will be truly


representative of all of the people of this country.


One major political figure to lose his seat was Nick Clegg.


The former Liberal Democrat leader and Deputy Prime Minister


lost his Sheffield Hallam seat to Labour.


Elsewhere, the Lib Dems made gains, former minsters Vince Cable


and Jo Swinson have both taken back the seats they lost in 2015.


The party's leader Tim Farron held onto his seat


The Scottish National Party has endured a series of shock defeats,


including the loss of its former First Minister Alex Salmond


They both their seats amid a Scottish Conservative surge.


The party's best performance in Scotland since 1983.


First Minister Nicola Sturgeon said that the losses were a blow


to her and the SNP, indicating she had some reflecting to do on key


In Northern Ireland, both the SDLP and the Ulster Unionist


It was a successful night for the largest parties.


The Democratic Unionist Party won ten seats and Sinn


Fein won seven seats but will continue to abstain


The result could see the DUP play a key role in any potential


coalition negotiations with the Conservative Party.


In Wales, the Labour Party had a strong night taking back a number


The results represent a blow to the Tory party, who had hoped


Plaid Cymru won four seats, and the Liberal Democrats


Meanwhile, Ukip have failed to win any seats in Parliament.


Their share of the vote collapsed across Britain,


and their leader Paul Nuttall came third in Boston and Skegness.


Traders in the City of London are bracing


themselves for a volatile day following the election result.


The pound has suffered one of its biggest falls since January


trading down by almost 2% against the dollar.


The stock market is due to open at 8am with shares expected to rise


This morning the EU's budget commissioner said the hung


parliament could delay Brexit talks which are scheduled


Theresa May is now back in Downing Street.


The Prime Minister travelled from her Berkshire constituency


to Conservative central office in the early hours.


She's said to have met with advisors for an hour there before


The BBC political editor told us in the last few minutes that Downing


Street said the Prime Minister has no intention of resigning.


Time now to hand back to Huw Edwards, for more


Good morning once again. Coming up to 7.40 in the morning, we are at


the BBC Election Centre. Get me tell you what we are intending to do in


the next 20 minutes. The latest from Downing Street, talking about


Theresa May's future. Joining me in the studio, Gus O'Donnell, the


former Cabinet Secretary. Jo Coburn, and the BBC's Andrew Marr. We will


be picking up on those trends. Thinking about the shape of this


government and what it might be. And whether Theresa May will continue to


be at the head of it. We will be talking too about the future of the


Brexit process, because the European Union are hinting that the Brexit


talks could well be delayed. Some very big things to consider. Let's


think about how we got here and the nature of the swing that produced


this, to put it mildly, unexpected result. Jeremy.


Through the face of Big Ben, and I am here, in front of the


swingometer. Let's have a look at the swing between the Conservatives


and Labour. You know how the swingometer works. If the parties


stay as they were last time, the swing is zero, and no seats change


hands. The blue dots are Conservative seats, the red dots are


Labour seats. Let's see the swing on average across the UK. It is a swing


into Conservative territory of about 2%. If it was applied uniformly, in


other words the same swing in every seat, these seats would go red from


blue. Labour would take them. But swing is not ever applied uniformly.


Let's watch what actually happened. Labour outperformed their swing by


going beyond the hand of the swingometer and taking some of the


Conservative seats that you might think they had no right to take.


Right at the top, almost off the swingometer, that dudet is


Canterbury, they took that. 8%, Battersea and Portsmouth 's out. --


Portsmouth South. It is young voters, voting for the first time,


coming out for Labour. The swing was not representative of Labour's


performance in some seats where they needed to win and they took them off


the Conservatives by turbo-charging their vote. There was a great offset


for the Conservatives, and it was in Scotland. Let's have a look at the


swing in Scotland and what has happened to the SNP in particular.


SNP seats on this side. Only one Conservative seat in Scotland,


pretty marginal. Any swing against the SNP starts to turn those yellow


seats blue. What was the swing in Scotland? It's remarkable.


Conservative SNP swing, it's a swing against the SNP of nearly 15%. If it


was applied uniformly in every seat, all of these seats would go blue


from yellow. That does not happen for the reasons I explained. The


actual result is 12 gains, not 15, partly because the SNP vote was


weakened in some seats by the Conservatives and then Labour took


the seat. The SNP hung on in some seats, but 12 for the Conservatives


in Scotland, plus the one they already had. Quite remarkable. These


blocks show the story of what happened in Scotland. You would not


call it a collapse in the SNP vote, because plenty of people still


voting SNP, but you don't often see a precipitous hole like that of 13%,


and most of that went to the Conservatives. Ruth Davidson, the


leader of the Scottish Conservatives, offsetting in some


degree for Mrs May. In Scotland, the surprise has been on the


Conservative side. The SNP down 13%, the Conservatives up 14, and modest


rises for Labour and the Lib Dems. Although they have been rather well


targeted and have won them some seats as well. The swingometer tells


a story of a bit of uplift for the Conservatives in Scotland. I said


earlier on that the story in Scotland is one that tells a very


different story to the one in England, certainly parts of England.


Andy, your take. Ruth Davidson, a very good election for her. Had she


tried to win a seat in Westminster, she would be a crucial and pivotal


figure in the Tory negotiations, discussion of what would happen


next. She has been very important to Theresa May and in close touch with


Number Ten all the way through, but unlike Theresa May has been a big


net vote winner in Scotland. A big personal triumph. But we should not


forget the Labour Party, everyone was writing them off in Scotland, it


was dead, over for ever. Not at all, it has come


back in a big way. The SNP has lost in all directions. The Highlands,


for the Lib Dems as well. It is all about momentum. It makes it much


less likely that we will see another Scottish independence referendum any


time soon, and that is big news for the country. And your thoughts on


Nicola Sturgeon's position, given this result? There will be sniping


against her, but she remains the most powerful person in the SNP,


particularly with Alex Salmond and Angus Robertson losing seats. People


will feel she should not have overemphasised the second referendum


in the way she did, but she is in a strong position and will remain


leader of the SNP and Scotland's First Minister for a while to come.


That's talk about Wales, the Conservative performance there was


not as robust as some people predicted. Labour's performance in


Wales was far better than many predicted. We are going to talk to


the First Minister Carwyn Jones. Your take on the night's events. We


outperformed our own expectations. We were told the Tories would make


gains in Wales, they lost seats. 28 seats, we are by far the biggest


party and we can say Welsh Labour speaks for Wales. Hugely important


that our mandate in Wales is respected. When you are in


government, as we are in Wales, you have a record to defend. We gained


more seats in Wales. To what extent was the performance dependent on the


leadership Jeremy Corbyn provided? There was a strong element. Jeremy


was energetic, going around the UK and talking to people. In Wales, we


ran our campaign, I did the leaders' debates, the Welsh Conservatives


could not put up the same person for more than one of those debates. We


knew we had a mountain to climb a few weeks ago when we saw the polls.


We worked hard and today we have a result that is better than we


expected. We also had a manifesto that appealed to people, a Welsh


manifesto particularly that people were attracted to.


I think it is fair to say that in the past, you have not been


enthusiastic about Mr Corbyn's leadership, but you're acknowledging


today that he has fought a superb campaign, I think that was your


word? Yes. If you look at Theresa May's campaign, it is the arrogance,


that they don't get, the entitlement to be in government. She built the


campaign entirely around her, her 25 point lead, and ends up with a


two-point lead. Somebody builds a campaign around themselves, and that


campaign falters so Bodley, as we've seen, then it is difficult to see


how they can carry on in the future. First Minister, thank you for


joining us. Let's not all of this into the context of what is coming


up. Just thinking about it this morning, when we were talking about


Laura Kuenssberg giving us the latest word from Downing Street, the


Prime Minister has no intention of resigning, working to form a


government based on being the largest party in seats and votes -


would we be assuming too much to think that the Prime Minister's


personal instinct would be to walk away from that, but there will be


enormous pressure for her to stay? I think, given what you just heard,


this was such a personal campaign, and you saw what David Cameron did


after the Brexit referendum. His instinct was just to go home within


hours, and he did it. I think part of her instinct would have been the


same. But it is her duties, and I think she realises that it is her


duty to stay. If she left, we would have no Prime Minister, it is


complete chaos. It is important that she stays, that we see through the


next period, and it is important that the Conservative Party sorts


out where it wants to go. I'm just wondering, where it wants to go,


particularly in terms of Brexit? Yes. If it is true, as we are


hearing, that the European Union is suggesting today that the process


could be lengthened in some way or adjusted, what does that tell us? I


think it tells us, from their side, they're saying, so come what is your


position, who has got the power? It is a bit like, Theresa May would not


have wanted to go and speak to President Hollande when he was on


his way out, she would have wanted to wait until we had a new president


in France. Similarly in Germany, with a new election coming up.


Actually, the really big stuff happens after the German election.


So I think we can manage a process where we have a lot of talks, we


will talk about process, about money and about some big issues, but we


won't come to any decisions. That doesn't mean you have to push the


final date back, because if you do that, then you get into this mess,


what are we going to do about European Parliamentary elections in


the spring of 2019? I don't think anybody wants to go there. Nick


Clegg has just said that it is impossible to overestimate the


extent to which the UK is now seen as a drifting rudderless country by


the rest of the EU countries. And that I think will be the prevailing


wind. We have a tweet from Chris Hope in the Daily Telegraph who


said, an official in the EU has said that those Brexit talks could be


delayed. Whether or not that is true, it is the fact that it is


being discussed, and they might view Theresa May has a bit of a lame


duck. If they think that, then they don't know who to talk to. It is not


good for Britain. Many people watching will be asking themselves,


does this mean we don't have to do Brexit after all, can we reverse it?


Because this decision could be seen as the end of the moral authority to


the Brexit referendum. What I would say to that is, there is no


political leader in Britain with the kind of Commons authority to hit the


stop button on Brexit. That is most unlikely, I would think. We are


going to stumble on with it, in a moreft attic and less good for us


kind of way. But in a way which might be more open to compromise


than some of the noises we have heard so far from the Tory party?


Compromise on the single market, and from eyes on the soft border, was


ugly even over the control of immigration, if the DUP have


anything to do with it - and they will. And we will see the Tory party


going toward day after day, the hard and soft Brexiteers, so-called, that


is what we are going to see. And Ruth Davidson, Theresa May owes her


big-time in terms of the campaign in Scotland. And on the DUP side, that


issue of the border, to give Theresa May her due, she was not advocating


any hard border, but the DUP will want to press hard to say, we have


to guarantee that border. It is going to be exciting, in a rather


grim way, for a very long time! Just a little element of surprise for us,


because let me bring you up to date with what's going on in the royal


borough of Kensington and Chelsea. They have now sent the tellers home,


because they're too tired! We might yet the result later this afternoon,


maybe even tomorrow. Andy, we have to pinch ourselves! I have never


heard that before. Night has been full of extraordinary, unpredictable


events, but I have never heard of tellers getting sent home because


they're too tired to keep counting! There have been plenty of examples


of seats which have been on a knife edge, and in places where you might


not expect it. We had the obvious one in Richmond Park, but that has


been repeated across the country in seats, where because the two parties


are now dominating, Labour and the Tories, we have not seen vote shares


like that for lunar years, decades, in terms of the Conservatives, and


that's why you're seeing the two coming right up against each other.


We have another result in, and once again this is a very, very narrow


majority. This is from St Ives, and the Conservatives have held on to St


Ives, and just look at the margin, a majority of 312 on a turnout of 76%,


very high turnout. 43% apiece for the Conservatives and the Lib Dems.


The Liberal Democrats were looking to take back seats in the


south-west, the problem for them was running on a very anti-Brexit


campaign was difficult in some areas which turned out to be Leave. But


here is an example where they did not win but they did come close. The


other thing we have not talked about yet is austerity, and how much of


this was, was it the economy, stupid? We have spoken about Brexit,


because does negate since -- because those negotiations are starting in


11 days' time. But a lot of this campaign was about public services,


and Jeremy Corbyn's campaign caught the imagination, and a lot of these


seats will have voted along those lines. Andrew Marr has been


underlining for us the importance of what has been happening in Scotland,


and Emily can bring us up to date with that and bring us up to date


with what has gone on. I want to start with the scoreboard, because


this gives you a sense of what has happened overnight. The SNP have


made net losses of 21 seats. The Conservatives have gained 12, some


of those on gigantic swings. Labour have made gains of six, also with


some pretty hefty swings. And the Lib Dems have had their best night


in Scotland, adding three. But if we show you the share of the vote, you


might have heard in the middle of the night Nicola Sturgeon come on


and says she still felt that the SNP were the winning party - they are,


on seats - and that they have done seven all the other parties put


together. If you start to add up the scores of the auntie independence


parties, you can see that they will be in the majority. They will have a


far larger share of the vote than the SNP, which tends to suggest that


there has been some kind of concerted vote against a second


Scottish referendum. -- anti-independence. Let me go into


some of those extraordinary gains and losses overnight. This is where


the big beast of the SNP, Alex Salmond, lost his seat. And this is


a tremendous swing, 20%. Last time around we saw swings in Scotland


which had outshone any other British election in history, nearly 40% of.


Not quite as big this time, but pretty hefty nonetheless. We saw


Angus Robertson, the leader of the SNP in Westminster, losing his seat


as well. Dumbarton east has been a gain for the Lib Dems. Jo Swinson is


back, the Business Minister for the Lib Dems, she has taken this one.


Edinburgh West, a tricky one, Michelle Thomson was suspended over


allegations of mortgage fraud, leaving Christine Jardine to pick up


his seat for the Lib Dems. And let me just show you this last one


before we hand back. Fife North East has been retained by the SNP, but


look how slim that majority is, a majority of two votes! Wow! That's


quite remarkable figure! What I want to do now is to have a look at these


images in central London, because this was Jeremy Corbyn arriving at


Labour headquarters just a while ago. A real sense, although they


have not won the election, that this was very much a personal victory for


his campaign. Well, it is. As you say, they have not won, they're many


seats short of being the largest party, but remember what the


expectations were and the predictions. And actually even


within the Labour Party itself, there were many Labour MPs and


candidates in this election felt that Jeremy Corbyn's leadership


would mean that they would lose seats, and of course that hasn't


happened. I think we can show you, from my colleague Vicki Young,


Labour insiders saying this is a victory for him. What it means is


that he's staying, he's not going anywhere. Any talk that he might be


unseated as leader of the Labour Party, that, obviously, has been put


aside. I've someone saying, if he exceeded Ed Miliband's vote share...


Well, he has probably done that and more. He has eaten the amount that


Tony Blair got in 2005 when he won. It just shows you that we have moved


back to two-party politics. It means that the coalition is off the cards.


Last time, in 2010, the Lib Dems were quite big so you could offer


them things like Deputy Prime Minister. This time, that is just


not there, they're too small. That is why we are in minority


government, will not be a coalition. Just picking up on Jo Coburn's


point, about austerity, it was a very big part of this. We had a


Conservative MP with Andrew Neil, saying, we have to rethink things.


An early indication of that, if you look at the DUP manifesto, which of


course we are now all experts in, it is talking about the triple lock on


pensions, that is an example of the kind of bread-and-butter politics


which may change as a result of this election. We are joined by newly


elected MP Jo Swinson, many congratulations and thanks for


joining us - was it bread-and-butter issues there, as Andrew Marr was


talking about? Well, north of the border, the biggest issue was


IndyRef2. There was a lot of anger at the SNP for trying to force this


on the Scottish population again, less than three years after we had a


very divisive independence referendum in Scotland, the wounds


of which still haven't really healed, there are still family and


friends who are not even necessarily talking to each other as a result of


the divisions which were opened up during that time. I think there


really was an appetite in Scotland not to go through that again. People


were looking for the best way to make sure that we didn't have that.


Also there was something about 56 out of 59 seats in Scotland all


being held by one party, when actually there is a much more varied


array of views across Scotland. There was a really strong feeling


from people that they did not necessarily just want to have the


SNP everywhere and obviously, in places like is Dumbarton chip, the


Lib Dems pick up a seat, and also in Edinburgh and Caithness, just so


close in Fife North East, after several recounts. But three strong


gains for the Lib Dems in Scotland which is really good for us. When


you look at the picture in Westminster, Nick Clegg, the former


leader, saying today, there is no way forward in terms of a government


which does not involve a great deal of turmoil - what is your thought on


that? I think he is right. He will be


missed in the Commons as someone with a huge amount of wisdom,


especially as the Brexit negotiations get under way. There is


no doubt there will be a lot of turmoil. You have a Conservative


Party where Theresa May had expected to take it for granted and get a


landslide, and of course that has blown up in her face. She is very


much a diminished figure in her own party, not necessarily with the


credibility and authority she had before this election campaign. The


disastrous images of her running away from debating the issues. You


are going to have a government that does have to listen much more to


Parliament. That is one positive to come out of this, but there are


difficult waters ahead because negotiating Brexit is an incredibly


difficult thing for a government to do. All different elements to


balance, and a difficult situation in the House of Commons in terms of


getting votes passed. Jo Swinson, the new MP for Dumbartonshire East


for the Lib Dems. I would like to pick up again on that, and


underlined that the SNP lost 21 seats overnight. They are on 35


seats, down from the very, very strong performance two years ago.


Andrew Neil has one of the guests from the SNP this morning.


I can tell you sterling is down 2.3% on the markets, they don't like


uncertainty. A hung parliament means uncertainty. We are told Theresa May


is trying to put together a new government taking into account the


new circumstances. We will see how that goes. It was a bad night for


Mrs May, and for Nicola Sturgeon as well in Scotland. I have a member of


the Scottish Parliament with me. You lost 21 seats in Scotland. A 15%


swing against you. Why did it go so wrong? Remember that is from a base


of a historic result in 2015. You lost 21 seats. Nobody expected us to


win 56 seats again. I am not going to gloss over it, we have lost


experienced politicians and very good politicians, like Tasmina


Ahmed-Sheikh, as well. In Scotland, we have won the election. A


majority. As you know in politics, the direction of travel is


everything. And your direction of travel is down. You lost 21 seats,


to the Conservatives, to Labour. Many of your people said Scottish


Labour was finished. You lost to the Lib Dems. You lost to everybody.


Again, that is coming from a high water mark in 2015. I accept there


is plenty to reflect on. The most pressing issue is to form a


government in that place. We will begin conversations with the Labour


Party and other progressives like the Greens and Plaid Cymru to try


and stop a Conservative government who have twice in as many years


caused utter chaos in this country by gambling and misfiring


spectacularly. You haven't got the MPs to do that. I think after the


gamble David Cameron took on Brexit, the gamble Theresa May took which


has backfired, the Conservatives should do the decent thing and step


aside. They have no mandate for a hard Brexit and they should allow


the progressives to take the discussions forward to the European


Union. You would not have an overall majority as this Progressive


alliance... If you add the DUP to the Conservatives, they would still


be short. Your party's emphasis on the demand for a second referendum,


to bring independence back onto the agenda again has gone down like a


stone with the Scottish voters. They don't want it. If you take the


Labour results in the West of Scotland, there is no doubt that has


come about because of a Corbyn surge, not because of the decline in


support for independence. There can be no doubt, you are in retreat now.


Your line has not worked, independence is not around the


corner any more for you. A third historic term in the Scottish


Parliament, the largest party of local government. We have just won


the election in Scotland. If that is on the decline, so be it, we are


still a very powerful... If losing 21 seats is not a retreat, what is?


It is a terrible result for you. The most pressing issue is trying to


form a government in that place. We have always said independence is not


going to happen... Nicola Sturgeon said education was her top priority


and only 3% of the Scottish voters believed her. They thought


independence was. Is it not time for the SNP to get on with running


Scotland better and forget about a second referendum? Our record speaks


for itself. The fact we have a third term historic SNP government elected


shows people have confidence in our record. The most imminent and


pressing issue, as your commentators have said, is Brexit negotiations


starting in a matter of days. We need to get a government formed. We


will talk to other progressives about that. It is time the Prime


Minister did the decent thing and step aside and allow us to do that.


We shall see. We are going to catch up with the


news. After the news, we will discuss a little more about the


Brexit process coming up, and indeed we will be talking about Labour's


John McDonnell, who has said this morning he wants Labour to put


itself forward to serve the country and form a minority government. We


will discuss whether that is remote and possible given the make-up of


the numbers. Now the news and with Louise Minchin.


The BBC understands that Theresa May has no intention of resigning


as Prime Minister, after the general election ends with


The Conservatives have lost their majority,


Labour has done better than expected,


and Jeremy Corbyn has called for Theresa May to step down.


Our political correspondent Tom Bateman's report


A political gamble - the hope that she would transform


the Tories' fragile advantage in Parliament with a huge win.


But the smiles of the campaign trail have vanished.


The Conservatives are set to end up worse off with a hung Parliament.


If, as the indications have shown, if this is correct,


that the Conservative Party has won the most seats, and probably


the most votes, then it will be incumbent on us to ensure we have


that period of stability, and that is what we will do.


And you can see what the Labour leader makes


A man whose campaign confounded many expectations.


Beaming smiles, with Labour on course for a far better


The Prime Minister called the election because


Well, the mandate she's got is lost Conservative seats,


lost votes, lost support, and lost confidence.


I would have thought that is enough to go, actually.


In Battersea, Labour have ousted a government


There have been Labour gains elsewhere.


They increase their majority in Cambridge by 12,000, they took


Peterborough from the Conservatives, boosting their share of the vote by


more than 12%. The Home Secretary Amber Rudd


only just scraped home In Sheffield, the Lib Dem's former


leader Nick Clegg has lost his seat. I, of course, have encountered this


evening something that many people have encountered before tonight,


and I suspect many people will encounter after tonight,


which is in politics, you live by the sword and you


die by the sword. The night began with


a projection - the exit poll. The BBC forecast the Conservatives


as the largest party, The SNP have lost big names


on a disappointing night, compared with their Scottish


landslide two years ago. Their Deputy Leader Angus Robertson


was ousted by the Conservatives and their former leader Alex Salmond


lost his seat too. Now one of Theresa May's own MPs


is laying the blame on her. I think she's in a very


difficult place. She's a remarkable and a very


talented woman, and she doesn't shy from difficult decisions,


but she now has to Jeremy Corbyn's vocal support is


growing. Labour may be in a clear second, but his allies say they want


to form a minority government. She says she has no intention of


standing down and is working on forming a government. She wanted a


strong, stable and triumphant return here before Brexit talks. She has


ended up weakened, with fewer MPs and questions over her future.


In Northern Ireland, both the SDLP and the Ulster Unionist


It was a successful night for the largest parties.


The Democratic Unionist Party won ten seats.


Sinn Fein won seven seats but will continue to abstain


The result could see the DUP demand significant concessions


in return for propping up a Theresa May administration.


In Wales, the Labour Party had a strong night, taking back a number


The results represent a blow to the Tory party, who had hoped


Plaid Cymru won four seats, and the Liberal Democrats


Meanwhile, Ukip have failed to win any seats in Parliament.


Their share of the vote collapsed across Britain,


and their leader Paul Nuttall came third in Boston and Skegness.


The Green Party remain unchanged, with one seat.


The party co-leader Caroline Lucas, who held Brighton Pavilion,


said the Greens will never support a Tory government.


The Greens are forecast to win 2% of the vote.


Let's have a look at the weather, with Matt Taylor.


Good morning, overall, a more sunny day compared with yesterday but not


completely dry. In Scotland the rain will ease off. Elsewhere, some


showers in western England and Wales. They will push into central


and eastern parts of this afternoon, a rumble of thunder with those, but


they will fade away. Dry and sunny weather for England, Wales and


Northern Ireland this afternoon. Feeling warm, highs of 22 possible.


Tonight, early showers fading, the rain will spread. A wet night in


Northern Ireland and spreading across Scotland. On Saturday,


rainfall northern England, Wales and potentially south-west England. Dry


in Scotland later on, a bright and breezy day in Northern Ireland. The


south-east could feel warm in the sunshine, 25 is possible. Sunday,


the south-east corner stays largely dry with sunny spells. Further north


and west, a scattering of showers, feeling a bit cooler, with


temperatures in the high teens. Back for more election coverage with


Hugh Edwards. A very good morning once again from


the BBC Election Centre. If you are just tuning in and catching up with


what's been happening overnight, let me tell you the result of this 2017


general election is that we are looking at a hung parliament. These


are the figures with just four results to come. The Conservatives


are the largest party. It has certainly turned out rather


differently to the opinion polls suggested, and indeed to what people


were expecting in terms of the analysis and the commentary


beforehand. It has been a night of dramatic and unexpected results. As


I say, four to come, three of them in Cornwall and one in Kensington


and Chelsea, where they are still counting and they have decided to


take a break after a long night. John McDonnell of Labour saying they


want to put themselves forward as a minority government. We will discuss


whether that is possible. I am just being told that the EU Commissioner


says Brexit talks might not now start as planned on June 19, simply


because they are really looking at the kind of uncertainty that Theresa


May was saying she categorically did not want, which is why she called


this election in the first. With me in the studio, Andrew Marr and Jo


Coburn, and we are joined by Professor Peter Hennessy. We will


talk to you in a while about the permutations of these figures. To


help us with that, Jeremy, what have you got? One of the things this


result will do, because it is so tight, is put a lot of focus on the


House of Commons. We are sitting in the virtual one. Let's have a look


and see if the numbers become clearer as we examine them. We have


the parties arranged as we think the final result will be. 319 for the


Conservatives. 261, Labour. The SNP on 35. And so on. You need 326 MPs


for an overall majority. I am going to try and build the majority


bearing in mind that no one party can do it. The Conservatives, having


fallen into a minority, sit with 319, and they need to add to the


total and get it up to 326. The obvious place to go is the


Democratic Unionist Party makes in Northern Ireland, they have ten MPs.


It is pretty simple maths. With the DUP, we have 329. The politics is


not simple because the DUP will want something for helping the


Conservatives. To get the Queen's Speech through, whether you call it


a coalition, a working arrangement, whatever, it doesn't matter. The


problem for Theresa May is she has not done it on her own. But they get


passed 326 by simply an listing the DUP in Northern Ireland. Not that


anyone expected. And if we have a look at the


opposition benches... Labour, the single biggest opposition party. The


SNP, much diminished in the House of Commons. The Liberal Democrats have


done a bit better than they did last time, now having 12. So that's how


it would work. These are the benches to focus on. So, there is a way of


the Conservatives getting through that number of 326, but it is pretty


humiliating for Theresa May to have to even think about this. As we look


ahead to the start of the biggest challenge which any government in


this country has faced for decades, Brexit, clearly, the uncertainty is


huge. We can speak now to Katya Adler, our Europe editor. I think


this can be summed up in the words of the French prime ministers this


morning, who said, we're surprised, but Brexit is not called into


question. The start of the negotiations was set for the 19th of


June, but that is very, very soon. That was what Theresa May's


governance said it wanted at the time. But this is not Brussels was


no decision, this is a UK decision. I think the general feeling in the


EU is that they are feeling strong and stable. The EU 27 member states


are all united about Brexit processor. Emmanuel Macron and


Angela Merkel are looking strong politically at home as well. And


they now look over to the United Kingdom and they see rather a


political mess. As for whether this leads to a harder Brexit or a softer


Brexit, again, Brussels says, this is a UK decision. They say they are


ready, they have had almost 12 months to prepare for Brexit


negotiations to begin. They want them to begin and they are reminding


the UK that the clock is ticking. Under EU rules, the UK only has


until March 2019 to finish the Brexit process, never mind talking


about a future trade relationship. Peter Hennessy, thoughts on that?


Even if negotiations start a week on Monday, as planned, the timetable is


immensely tight, to engineer the greatest geopolitical operation in


our country, wondering 46 years of everything. 19,000 statutes which


have to be once grumbled, 560 treaties involving 168 countries, it


is quite extraordinary. That is going to take much longer than the


two years, but with that clock ticking, it's going to be very, very


difficult indeed. The question might arise in some circumstances, Article


50, having been triggered, can you stop it? John Curtice has always


said it could be revoked, because it is a process, not a punishment. But


this extra ordinary election has thrown particles into the air which


we never anticipated, including these procedural questions. We have


never been across this terrain before, there is no precedent, there


is no equivalent of a Cabinet manual, which we were talking about


earlier, for these negotiations. It is quite extraordinary, it must be


sheer hell for our negotiators in Brussels, they have been like


racehorses, ready to go a week on Monday, and now there is a chance it


will not be starting then. Absolutely right, this is an


incredibly complicated operation. The Brexit department, David Davis'


department, is in better shape than a lot of us might have expected,


they have recruited a lot of people. But the real issue they have is, any


deals they do depend upon a majority in the House of Commons, and it


looks now like that majority might not be available. Therefore, every


time they try to do a compromise deal, every time they're offered


something, they will have to think about the balance of power on the


Tory benches in the House of Commons - at a nightmare. And that I think


the bigger test. If Theresa May is staying as Prime Minister, she is


now going to be looking over her shoulder one way to those who want


what we have called a harder Brexit. But now, if Labour organises itself,


along with those many e-MPs who might the looking for what we would


call a softer Brexit, she's going to have a very difficult time. Already,


people are saying that actually, there is more of a majority for a


softer Brexit and it is up to the opposition parties to organise


themselves. Just on that, we have been talking about Theresa May's


position all morning, and apparently Arlene Foster of the DUP as


suggested on the radio that Theresa May could be in a very, very


difficult position. Or the DUP demand the head of the Prime


Minister as part of the deal? It seems at Claude Le Roy, but...


Contact yes, but at the moment, anything it would seem would be


possible. -- it seems extraordinary. It is the curse of British politics.


When you look at the an hour picture, referendums, it does not


sit well with our normal system of representative democracy, and this


election has been about bringing the two types of democracy together at,


and in has produced this extraordinary result. There is no


question it destabilises us more. Since 1950, when we were first


approached to do all of this, the British party system cannot handle


it because it is not a left right question. It is the great wrecker of


political careers, it is an absolute nightmare, whether you're Remain or


Leave. Nigel Farage is with Andrew Neil. Nigel Farage, former leader of


Ukip, is indeed with me here in Westminster. Mrs May called an


election to get a mandate for her kind of Brexit. She didn't get it.


Are you now worried that the kind of Brexit you want may not be


delivered? Very. Despite the fact that there are 380 Tory MPs elected


on a Brexit manifesto, the DUP have got ten seats, and they support


Brexit. The real worry I have got is David Davis, who of all of the


people in the cabin and I would have thought would be closest to my


position, even him saying this morning but perhaps leaving the


single market and leaving the customs union will need to be


reconsidered. And what Tory central office have concluded is, they have


concluded that campaigning for hard Brexit has cost them votes. Now, I


think that analysis is wrong. I think in the end it was more about


personality. She failed the test, cheated not look like a leader, and


Jeremy Corbyn was having a ball, going around the country, engaging


people. So, it seems to me that even David Davis is considering putting


the single market back on the table, which shows that the whole Brexit


process has very seriously been damaged by this election. As we


speak, about half a mile down the road, we are told Mrs May is


intending to put together a government to cope with the new


circumstances, some reports she has already been in touch with the DUP


to get their support - can she put it off? Well, maybe she can put


together a government, but can she pull off the Brexit process? Four


times in this campaign, I saw her asked, as somebody who back to


Remain, do you know believing Brexit? And four times, she could


not answer the question. You cannot go to Brussels and negotiate


something as important as this unless you believe in it in your


heart. I'm told she will not resign today, but I do think, if Brexit is


to be a success, we must have somebody who believes in it leading


the government. So you think the Prime Minister should go?


Absolutely, yes, I do. I think she has failed completely and has


weakened her own position in British politics and she has weakened the


UK's position with these negotiations. And yet if the very


idea of Brexit is back on the negotiating table again, if you're


worried that it may not happen now, or at least it may not happen as you


would like it, and yet here is your own party, Ukip, nowhere in this


debate, no MPs, less than 2% of the vote, out, over, done, Towcester!


Ukip yesterday seemed to be irrelevant to the process, given


that the Tories and Labour both said they were fighting on Brexit. And


yet today we face the prospect, where if this starts to get watered


down, if we do not get the tempi in which people voted for, then Ukip


could be more relevant than ever. But you would come back from a very


low base. You have only just got more sure of the vote than the


Greens! Yes. But don't underestimate the fluidity of voters in the United


Kingdom and how strongly attached those Brexit voters are. If they get


betrayed, their votes will move. But the harsh fact is that your party,


since you stepped down as leader, has been nothing short of a


shambles. And that shambles has come to its logical conclusion in how the


people voted yesterday. It has not been very professional, I would


agree with all of that. But equally, the tide was going in a different


direction in this general election. It needs to be reformed and changed


and believe you me, if we finish up inside the single market, then Ukip


will be a party which is back on the agenda. If in your view the country


needs Ukip more than ever, for the reasons you've given, doesn't it


mean that Ukip needs you more than ever? Well, I didn't involve myself


in this election campaign. If my worst fears are confirmed, if we


don't get the kind of Brexit that I want and wish the people voted for,


then I would have no choice but to involve myself again with full-time


campaigning. Would you come back as leader? I'm not saying that. It


sounds to me like you would consider coming back as leader. I would not


even think about leading Ukip unless it went through some pretty


fundamental reforms. We shall see. Nigel Farage, thank you very much.


Back to the studio and Huw. Well, that is the former Ukip leader, what


happened to the CURRENT Ukip leader, Emily? Nigel Farage represents that


idea of hard empathy, but what has happened to the man who represents


Ukip now, all who wanted to, at least, in this Parliament? Bulot all


stood to be an MP in Boston and Skegness, and you can see what


happens to the Ukip share of the vote number it is down 26%. There


might be personal reasons on this one but we know that Paul Nuttall


was not the choice of voters in Boston and Skegness - does that


suggest that there is less of an appetite for Ukip's idea of hard


Brexit? Let me see if I can pull up some of the other places where we


have seen that drop in the Ukip folk? Douglas Carswell, he said


Ukip, job done. Perhaps it is a sign of their success. But when you look


at this, you can see how the vote has been split between Labour


Conservatives, with Ukip voters not entirely sure which party to go to.


Message is clear, in these seats, and I could bring up more of them,


Ukip is taking a big hit, down 11% or 17%. It suggests that Ukip voters


are now looking to other parties to enact whatever kind of Brexit they


thought they had voted for. We said earlier that John McDonnell was


saying that Labour would like to put themselves forward as a minority


government. That is something I want to discuss with my guests. Also,


Iain Duncan Smith, the former Conservative leader, saying a short


while ago that the Conservative Party, if it had a leadership


election, it would be a catastrophe. He said it would plunge the UK into


a crisis. Gus O'Donnell is with us. Can we just nailed this one on


Labour - could Labour be in a position, within this configuration,


to form some kind of minority government? Basically, the formal


position is that Theresa May, as rain minister, even if she had lost


this badly, could still carry on and go to the House and try and get a


Queen's Speech through, and then lose then she goes to the Queen and


says, I can't do it. I suspect what will happen this time is, she has


the votes to do it. Therefore, the situation won't arise. I'm afraid


Labour doesn't get a chance in those circumstances, as long as she wins


that vote in the House. But the key. On the issue of the Conservative


leadership, Andy, your thoughts on Iain Duncan Smith, who had a torrid


time as leader himself... Yes, he knows all about Conservative Party


leadership! If the Conservative Party could move to a new leader in


a mature fashion, that would be one thing. But they can't, it would be


an absolute bunfight, Boris would not be able to restrain himself in


any way at all, Brexit would be back on the agenda, it would be long,


brutal and bloody, and it would be, as Iain Duncan Smith says,


catastrophic for the country. It is interesting, though, because we have


been waiting for some reaction from Conservative MPs, and there has not


been all that much so far. It makes me feel that leading Brexiteers like


Iain Duncan Smith of course they don't want a leadership election,


they want to shore up Theresa May and her position, however weakened,


because they're worried about that Brexit timetable, and I think they


will have made a car chelation that the best way to keep Brexit, in


their mind, one track, is to keep her in place and shore up her


support. If there were to be a leadership election, it would be a


bunfight, and Brexit would look at risk in the way he would like to see


it. Anything from Boris Johnson? Nothing yet. Philip Hammond? No! And


all eyes will be on the Johnson, because what happened after the


referendum. What about David Davis? Nothing from David Davis. , the key


people, they will be waiting, there will be conversations going on in


the Conservative Party at higher levels, to see, strategically, what


can be done. If you want a sense of how


extraordinary this election has been, and everything is


unprecedented, Boris Johnson is saying nothing! And that is unusual.


It is 8.31, we are going to catch up with the news.


The BBC understands that Theresa May has no intention of resigning


as Prime Minister after the general election results


Some pollsters had predicted at the start of the campaign


that Mrs May would win a landslide for the Conservatives.


They will head back to Westminster with 319 seats -


seven fewer than would give them an overall majority.


Speaking as she was reelected to her seat in Maidenhead,


the Prime Minister said the country needed stability.


As we look ahead, and we wait to see what the final results will be,


I know that, as I say, the country needs


a period of stability, and whatever the results are,


the Conservative Party will ensure that we fulfil our duty


in ensuring that stability, so that we can all, as one country,


Labour have done better than expected, gaining around 30 seats.


Shadow Chancellor John McDonnell says the party


are offering themselves as a minority government.


In Islington North, the leader Jeremy Corbyn held his seat


After his result was called, he said Theresa May should step down.


If there is a message from tonight's result, it's this -


the Prime Minister called the election because


Well, the mandate she's got is lost Conservative seats, lost votes,


I would have thought that's enough to go, actually,


and make way for a government that will be truly representative of all


One major political figure to lose his seat was Nick Clegg.


The former Liberal Democrat leader and Deputy Prime Minister


lost his Sheffield Hallam seat to Labour.


Elsewhere, the Lib Dems made gains - former minsters Vince Cable


and Jo Swinson have both taken back the seats they lost in 2015.


The party's leader Tim Farron held onto his seat


The Scottish National Party has endured a series of shock defeats,


including the loss of its former First Minister Alex Salmond


and leader in the Commons Angus Robertson.


They both their seats amid a Scottish Conservative surge.


The party's best performance in Scotland since 1983.


First Minister Nicola Sturgeon said that the losses were a blow


to her and the SNP, indicating she had some reflecting to do on key


In Northern Ireland, both the SDLP and the Ulster Unionist Party


It was a successful night for the largest parties.


The Democratic Unionist Party won ten seats.


Sinn Fein won seven seats but will continue to abstain


The result could see the DUP demand significant concessions


in return for propping up a Theresa May administration.


In Wales, the Labour Party had a strong night, taking back a number


The results represent a blow to the Tory party, who had hoped


Plaid Cymru won four seats, and the Liberal Democrats


Meanwhile, Ukip have failed to win any seats in Parliament.


Their share of the vote collapsed across Britain,


and their leader Paul Nuttall came third in Boston and Skegness.


Traders in the City of London are bracing


themselves for a volatile day following the election result.


The pound has suffered one of its biggest falls since January


trading down by almost 2% against the dollar.


The stock market open half an hour ago, with shares in the top 100


companies rising more than expected. This morning, the EU's budget


commissioner said a hung parliament could delay Brexit talks,


which are scheduled Theresa May is now back


in Downing Street. The Prime Minister travelled


from her Berkshire constituency to Conservative central office


in the early hours. She's said to have met


with advisors for an hour there And in the last half an hour,


Jeremy Corbyn has arrived He was greeted by jubilant campaign


workers and advisors. The Shadow Chancellor John McDonnell


has said that they have no intention Good morning once again. As we have


just heard, Theresa May, the Prime Minister, back in Downing Street,


contemplating the results of an extremely difficult night for the


Conservatives. Emerging from this 2017 election campaign with no


majority at all in the House of Commons, having to contemplate


building some kind of arrangement with the unionists in Northern


Ireland in order to get a majority in the Commons. We are looking at a


hung parliament, a very uncertain situation. Not just in terms of


Westminster, but in terms of the very, very critical Brexit talks


which are meant to be starting in about ten days' time. Let's go


straight to Downing Street, Laura Kuenssberg our political editor,


what do you have for us this morning? Huw, what a morning. We


understand Theresa May is holed up inside, contemplating how she is


going to try to do a deal with the DUP, to come out with a viable


government. Having had her hopes so fundamentally dashed, her political


gamble having gone so badly wrong for the Conservatives. In the last


half an hour, I have spoken to a couple of senior Conservatives. A


senior member of the Cabinet has pulled me that she will stay. She


will not change her mind. And although you say her political


authority is shot and drained away, the argument is her constitutional


responsible to an prerogative to hang on and try to form a


government... Not just that, they are talking about imagining the


alternative. Imagine if the Conservative Party, normally so


ruthless, ends up with a leadership challenge. It's almost inevitable


that one of the rivals would want to call an election or said they needed


their own mandate, and then we are back at a general election. The one


thing everyone in the Tory party can agree on this morning is that is


something none of them want. Another senior Conservative who has talked


directly to Theresa May told me she is resolute in the fact that she is


not going anywhere. There is a bit of a sense of Tories starting to


rally around, but a bit of a spanner in the


works in the last few minutes, the leader of the DUP, who would be


vital for Theresa May's prospects of staying on, has suggested in an


interview with BBC Ulster that it may be very difficult for her to


survive. If the DUP don't play ball, the calculus inside Number Ten


completely changes this morning. In terms of concluding anything, I can


conclude that it feels very fluid. Extremely fluid. Are you expecting


to see the Prime Minister, will she make a statement? What will the


morning bring? It would be unprecedented if we don't, let's put


it that way. The normal routine of these things is, win or lose, Prime


Ministers emerge from the door when the result is settled. Or they have


a sweeping victory walk up Downing Street, with their family, their


spouse or whatever. So much of this election has been unusual and


unprecedented that perhaps we will not. The optics of Theresa May


staying holed up inside Number Ten and not coming out at all would be


extraordinary and would not look very good. But also, traditionally


in these circumstances, the chairman of the 1922 committee, the group


representing Tory backbenchers would traditionally have some kind of


conversation with the party leader for they conclude what to do. The


chairman of the 1922 committee right now is Graham Brady. My sense from


sources close to him is he believes she should try to stay on. It may be


that until that conversation takes place, we are not going to see


anything from the Prime Minister. All we have had is guidance from


Tory sources that she's planning to stay on. We have not had anything


official in any way, shape or form. Bear with us. In a moment we will


get a statement from Jeremy Corbyn. He is about to speak.


It's clear the Conservatives are going to try and form a minority


government, perhaps with the DUP. Are you going to try and block the


move or are you going to be prepared to offer a compromise? What we were


elected to do was put forward a programme, which is about ending


austerity in Britain, is about supporting our National Health


Service and social care service, is about proper funding of our


education service and is about improving the lives of people in


this country through protection of the triple-lock on pensions, for


example. You sound like a man who is preparing to try and form the next


government. We are ready to serve this country. That is what we fought


the election for, and this is the programme we put forward. But you


have also said no deals and no pacts. Is that also the case? We are


offering to put forward the programme on which we fought the


election. We have done no deals with anybody. We are there as the Labour


Party to put our points of view, everyone knows what they are and


everyone can see the huge increase in our support because of the way we


conduct of the election and the comprehensive nature of the


programme we put forward. Do you envisage that you would be able to


form a minority government? Or are we heading, as many people are


predicting, for another general election? Parliament must meet, and


Parliament will have to take a decision on what happens when a


government puts forward the Queen's Speech. We will put forward our


point of view. We are of course ready to serve. Do you think in all


this uncertainty that the Brexit negotiations should be delayed? They


are supposed to be happening in 11 days. They have to go ahead. Who is


going to do it? The Government in office in 11 days will have to


conduct the Brexit negotiations. Our position is clear, we want a job 's


first Brexit. So the most important thing is the trade deal with Europe.


A good idea for Parliament would be to vote that EU nationals can remain


in Britain. Do you think there should be a delay to Article 50 or


any delay whatsoever to the negotiations? That decision has to


be taken either parties in the negotiations. We are ready to


negotiate on behalf of this country to protect jobs and to have a


sensible, tariff free trade arrangement with Europe. Do you


think Theresa May should resign? I said so last night, that she fought


the election on the basis that it was her campaign, it was her


decision to call the election, it was her name out there, and she said


she was doing it to bring about strong and stable government. This


morning, it doesn't look like a strong government, it doesn't look


like a stable government, it doesn't look like a government that has any


programme whatsoever. You can't put forward a stable government either.


Maybe you should resign. We have just been elected to Parliament only


a few hours ago, my party has had a huge increase in the vote, we have


gained seats in every region of this country and in Scotland and Wales. I


think everyone in the Labour Party, and everyone who supported the


Labour Party yesterday, young people, old people, everyone in


between, I think they should be very proud of what we achieved yesterday.


Just to be clear, are you saying you are the victors, and you should be


forming the next government? We put forward strong and hopeful policies


and they have gained an amazing response and traction. I think it is


pretty clear who won this election. So you should be forming the next


government? We are ready to serve the people who have given their


trust to us. Jeremy Corbyn, thank you very much. Labour leader Jeremy


Corbyn saying that Labour is ready to serve and that the Brexit talks


will have to go ahead as planned, on the timetable set out under Article


50. Mr Corbyn's close colleague John McDonnell is with Andrew Neil.


He is indeed, John McDonnell, welcome, Shadow Chancellor


throughout the Corbyn years. Labour has now lost three elections in a


row. Where does that leave your party? Disappointed we are not


forming a majority government, but looking back on the last six weeks


or so... Six weeks ago, we were 22 points behind in the polls. I was


predicting that would narrow, no one believed me at the time. The


achievement of this campaign has been tremendous. Did you think it


would go this well for Labour? I knew that the polls would narrow and


we would pick up additional seats. We have been on the ground around


the country and listening. The activist base is feeding back


messages of confidence so we thought, yes, we would be. Still not


a majority government so I am disappointed but we have laid the


foundations for the potential of a minority government and eventually a


majority government. We have both been around long enough to remember


1974, two general elections. The first one produced a hung parliament


although it did produce a change of government too. We have yet to see


that will happen. What are the chances of a second election this


year or early next year? The interesting thing about the first


election in 1974, Ted Heath went to the country with one question, who


governs the country? The people said that's not the question, it is about


our living standards. That is exactly what has happened this time.


I was amazed Theresa May used that tactic. I was amazed she called the


election. I could see the short-term advantage. I said the lead could


easily disappear. The instability that we now have is not from the


Labour Party or other parties, it is the Conservative Party itself. If we


can form a minority government, I think we can have a stable


government and produce eggs received programme a budget based on our


manifesto, which I think could majority support. Policy by policy.


That would prevent another election, because I think it will have had


enough of elections. It is an interesting prospect. We know that


Mrs May as we speak is trying to put together a government, trying to do


a deal with the DUP - you also, Labour, speaking to the other


parties, the SNP, the Greens, to try and get a minority government? No.


We are not looking for a coalition. We will set out our policy programme


and we will expect people to vote for it. The problem that we've got


is, I don't think the Conservative Party, particularly under Theresa


May, is a stable coalition in itself. I think that will fall


apart. We've already seen this morning Tory MPs calling upon


Theresa May to go, saying her position is untenable. We've got


worse Johnson and David Davis on manoeuvres at the moment in terms of


leadership. I don't think they can form a stable government. So


therefore, although we have not got a naughty, which I deeply regret,


forming a minority government I think is the best opportunity we


have got the government which will be stable and in the interest of the


country. The Theresa May was rejected, I believe, is because she


put party advantage before country, and it was so blatant, and people


rejected it. I take your point that a Theresa May government, the way


she is trying to do it, could be unstable, but why would a minority


Labour government, with no deals, you are saying, with any of the


other left-wing parties, why could that be any more stable? Because we


would be able to think our policy programme based on our manifesto, on


a set of popular policies, which large numbers of MPs would support


and would not want to be seen to be voting against. Would you take your


manifesto and reconfigure that for a Queen's Speech, designed in a way


which would get the broadest support? That's what we were going


to do anyway. We would set out a timetable of fermentation. Say for


example, we put forward the abolition of tuition fees. It is a


lecturer in the popular policy, both in the country... Stream the


expensive. It was but we costed it and we can afford it, with a fair


taxation system, which we can. I dare any MP to vote against that,


they would be grimly unpopular, if they did. They would be extremely


unpopular if they did that. On that basis, we can do it. If Mrs May


succeeds for a while in putting together a government of sorts, but


it turns out to be unstable, you would be there, expecting the Queen


to ask you all Mr Corbyn to try to form a government? I hope it isn't


like that over a period of time. I hope she realises today, very


quickly, that she cannot continue. I think the Conservative Party needs


to recognise that it cannot re-enter government in the way that it is at


the moment, it is unstable and divided. Allow us, therefore, we


will be the only alternative to put forward a stable government. The SNP


still have 35 MPs, if they said to you, and they have said, in general


terms, we are up for a progressive government, but we want a second


independence referendum, would you give that to them? No deals, no


coalition is. We have put forward our policies. If the SNP want to


vote for some of them, that is up to them. Politics, as you and I know,


is about deals. You cannot run a minority government without deals.


That is the sort of... We have all seem Borgen! Jeremy Corbyn, straight


talking, honest politics, that is what people want to. That is what I


believe in, and this is what I'm going to do. People support that


type of politics. But you would buy dishy -- but you would by definition


be a government which is actually lost the election. The Tories have


won it and you have lost it. That is the dilemma everyone has got. Nobody


has hosted this election, so who is best to form a stable government in


the interest of the people? We believe the Labour Party can do


that. Just give us the chance. How long do you think it will take it


for you can see this happening? I am hoping the situation is clarified


within days, otherwise we are in an impossible position with the Brexit


negotiations coming. So I think the responsibility is now on Theresa May


to stand down and on the Conservative Party to go away and


sort itself out and let the Labour government take its place. One final


point to you check if in your view what Mrs May is trying to do will


lead to a unstable government, if it leads to KIND of government, it will


be unstable, and if it is a minority Labour government which is doing no


deals, I would suggest to you, that is unstable as well, and we will be


having a second election quite soon? I believe that with sufficient


political skill, a minority government will be able to provide


stable government, but at a government as well, because it would


be based upon policies which are popular both in parliament and in


the country. We shall see. Back to you, dew. Thank you very much. I


think it fair to say that we will be analysing every word of that now,


asking ourselves whether John McDonnell's theory, that it would be


possible for Labour to form some kind of minority administration,


with policies across the House, Andy? It is very, very hard to see.


Politics is about authority and it is about power, or numbers. You


could see in the Jeremy Corbyn interview, they think the momentum


is with them, they have a big, new, moral authority which they are


revelling in. But none of that means an awful lot in policy terms an


issue have got the numbers in the House of Commons. John McDonnell was


saying, our very popular policy on tuition fees, lets their people to


put that down. That comes with a price tag. How many Conservative MPs


do we think are going to vote in favour of Labour tax rises? It is a


very, very engaging sort from John McDonnell, and he's going to produce


his alternative Queen's Speech, I am told, but nevertheless Labour does


not have the numbers and it is highly unlikely that that would


happen. It is likely that we will come out of this with Theresa May


leaning, albeit unhappily, on the DUP. Yes, that seems to be


fantasyland, I cannot see any circumstances... If Theresa May


cannot get the deal and she cannot get a Queen's Speech through, then


we could go to Labour doing it, but they don't have the numbers, it is


as simple as that. It is just a nonstarter. In those circumstances,


I'm afraid we are back into a second election. So, that's why I think we


will probably go with the Conservative minority. I'm not


surprised by what the DUP are saying, this is classic negotiating


strategy, they're holding out for as much as they can get. They know how


to do it! They do indeed. They're sounding bullish, Labour, they


would, and to some extent, this is their opportunity to do so. But I


agree, it is about numbers. You've got to have the numbers to actually


form a majority. Looking at now, they're not there. It is interesting


that John McDonnell said, we made no deals before this election. If you


remember, Ed Miliband suffered as a result of the implications that he


would do a deal, or join forces with the SNP. But now, of course, we are


in this situation, they're still saying, no deal, doing it on a


policy by policy basis I'm not sure would lead to what he calls a stable


government, any more stable than perhaps the one we are going to get


currently. So, they're going to keep saying design, because that is


really all they can say at this point - she should go. And


obviously, then, everything comes into play. But at the moment that


does not look like it is going to happen. More reports coming in from


Conservative sources, from the Telegraph, Theresa May is likely to


stay on, as we have been reporting, because she does not want to allow


Brussels to delay the tempted talks. Let's take a look at some of the


Labour targets and see how Labour has made this advance against the


Conservatives. We have put the Labour battle ground on the board


for you here. And you can see, the most marginal constituency they were


targeting was Gowler, just 37 votes in it. These are very marginal seats


which they had their eyes on because they were close to getting them last


time. Let's see the actual results, now that we know them. As you would


expect, the most marginal seats, Labour has gone through like a knife


through butter. This was Ed Balls' old seat, which stays Conservative.


Thurrock stays Conservative. And then gradually, the Conservatives


start to hold onto more. Let's have a look at so more of them. Reggie,


we increase the party majority in these target seats and they


gradually become harder to win. So we have Stroud and Northampton North


and so on. I peeked was a big one for Labour when Tony Blair was in


power, so was Cannock Chase. -- High Peak. Down here, the Conservatives


are escaping Labour's clutches. They take Enfield Southgate that is on a


10% swing. East Lothian, Scottish situation, slightly different,


they're beneficiaries of the severe downturn in the SNP vote. Let's keep


going. By the time we get to the third board here, we are on seats


with quite big majorities. On the last one, High Peak had a majority


of 4800. Cleethorpes, a majority of 8000. These were the seats coming


out of the last election. Many of these do not change. Yes, Reading


East went Labour, so did Warwick and others. But you can see on this


thought that as the majority increases, as you would expect, the


Conservatives hanging onto the seats they were defending. One more board


for you, targets, we are deep into seats which Labour never would have


expected to get. Many of them SNP seats. And we see the results. We


have only got the Scottish ones, plus Canterbury, overturning that


10,000 majority of Julian Brazier in Canterbury. But the question we're


asking is, how is it that Labour has advanced in a perfectly logical ways


through some of these seats, but a then others, the Conservatives hung


on? What was it about the seats where Labour made this proportion


advance which allow them to take them? Well, let's break this down


and take the seats they gained here. So, these are the seats which were


on the Labour target list and which they gained, starting with the most


marginal, Gower. We're going to highlight the seats which voted


Remain. And this is the clue. If we look here, there is nothing to write


home about, they simply to the seats with the smallest majorities, as you


would expect. But as we go down the board, as these seats get harder and


harder for Labour to win, what we find is that Labour only gain where


the constituencies voted for Rowe, so, Remain constituencies somehow


turbo-charged the Labour vote, isn't that interesting? And if you look at


the seats Labour lost, it is even starker. Mansfield going


Conservative. And those were seats which were Brexit seats, so they


weren't comfortable territory for Labour. Just some analysis therefore


you of the Labour vote, and we can sum it up by going to our big pie


chart which breaks down the seats in the House of Commons like this


struggle you can see the dotted line at 12 o'clock, which the


Conservatives have fallen just short of. Back to you, Jo Edwards. Thank


you very much, that gives us plenty to talk about. If you're watching in


the regions of England, you're going to get 30 minutes of news which is


specific to your area. If you're watching in Scotland, Wales or


Northern Ireland or on the News Channel, you are staying with us.


And we will be exported all of these themes. Who knows, we may even get a


senior Conservative to come along and give us a response, we would


certainly like that! Theresa May is determined to stay on


as Conservative leader, the BBC understands, despite a difficult


night that has led to a hung parliament. Her decision to call any


early general election ended with her majority wiped out. The


Conservatives are still the largest party with a predicted 318 MPs, and


43% of the vote, but with 11 fewer MPs. The Labour share of the vote


rose significantly, with the party predicted to gain more than 30


seats. A political gamble -


the hope that she would transform the Tories' fragile advantage


in Parliament with a huge win. But the smiles of the campaign


trail have vanished. The Conservatives are set to end up


worse off with a hung Parliament. If, as the indications have shown,


if this is correct, that the Conservative Party has won


the most seats, and probably the most votes, then it will be


incumbent on us to ensure we have that period of stability,


and that is exactly what we will do. And you can see what


the Labour leader makes A man whose campaign


confounded many expectations. Beaming smiles, with Labour


on course for a far better The Prime Minister called


the election because Well, the mandate she's got


is lost Conservative seats, lost votes, lost support


and lost confidence. I would have thought


that is enough to go, actually. In Battersea, Labour


have ousted a government They increased their majority


in Cambridge by 12,000, and they took Peterborough


from the Conservatives, boosting their share of the vote


by more than 12%. The Home Secretary Amber Rudd


only just scraped home The former Business Secretary Vince


Cable was among four gains for the Lib Dems, but they had a shock in


Sheffield where their former leader Nick Clegg lost his seat.


I, of course, have encountered this evening something that many people


have encountered before tonight, and I suspect many people


will encounter after tonight, which is in politics,


you live by the sword and you die by the sword.


The night began with a projection - the exit poll.


With nearly all the results in, the Conservatives are the largest party


but short of an overall majority, having lost around a dozen seats.


Labour are on course to increase the number of MPs by around 30. The SNP


have lost big names on a disappointing night compared with


their Scottish landslide two years ago.


Their Deputy Leader Angus Robertson was ousted by the Conservatives


and their former leader Alex Salmond lost his seat too.


Now one of Theresa May's own MPs is laying the blame on her.


I think she's in a very difficult place.


She's a remarkable and a very talented woman, and she doesn't shy


from difficult decisions, but she now has to


Jeremy Corbyn's vocal support is growing.


Labour may be in a clear second, but his allies say they want


Mrs May says she has no intention of standing down and is working


She wanted a strong, stable and triumphant return


She has ended up weakened, with fewer MPs and questions


The Democratic Unionist Party makes a play a pivotal role and have


already said they will make their influence felt. They took ten seats.


Sinn Fein won seven seats but will continue to abstain


The SDLP and the Ulster Unionist Party


In Wales, the Labour Party had a strong night, taking back a number


The results represent a blow to the Tory party, who had hoped


Plaid Cymru won four seats, and the Liberal Democrats


Ukip have failed to win any seats in Parliament.


Their share of the vote collapsed across Britain,


and their leader Paul Nuttall came third in Boston and Skegness.


The Green Party remain unchanged, with one seat.


The party co-leader Caroline Lucas, who held Brighton Pavilion.


Their share of the vote was down, reflecting the swing to the big


parties. Good morning once again from the


BBC's Election Centre. If you are just joining us, well, you are


waking up to the news that there is to be a hung parliament. It's not


going to be a majority Government of any colour. Certainly not


Conservative, given some of the predictions that we were used to in


recent weeks. This is where we are with three seats to declare. So, 647


in. And the prediction is Conservatives on 316, ten short of a


majority in the House of Commons. Labour on 261. We are looking at


gains of 29 seats for Labour and losses of 12 seats for the


Conservatives. Not where most people thought we would be this morning.


So, it's a very unexpected result. It creates all kinds of uncertainty,


not just in terms of the colour of the Government or indeed who will be


Prime Minister, because there are questions about Theresa May's


future, but of course in terms of the challenges that this Government


has to tackle, the Brexit challenge principally which presents all kinds


of obstacles and problems, that process starting within days. So,


that's the context. To explain more about the result before I bring my


guests in again, let's join Emily. I want to take you specifically to


London. There is a very interesting result going on beneath the


headline. It is this, Labour on 55% share of the vote. The Conservatives


on 33%. Why am I pointing that out? ? They've had a good night in London


and one seat is unresolved, because we understand the counters have gone


home believing it was too close to call. This seat, Kensington. We are


in territory where Kensington is forecast as too close to call. This


has never gone Labour. It would be an extraordinary result if it were


to go Labour, I am not saying it will but I can show you three seats


that border Kensington which are all showing extraordinary swings to


Labour. You can see in Westminster, which is a Labour seat, the swing to


Labour has been 11%. In these two seats which are true


blue Tory, Chelsea and City of London, contains Knightsbridge and


the City, 10% swing to Labour. 9. 3% swing to Labour. Kensington requires


an 11% swing for Labour to take it. If Kensington goes red tonight, then


Jeremy Corbyn has achieved something that Tony Blair never did, that seat


has never been Labour. Emily, thank you very much. I am


thinking at the moment we are getting more reaction coming in,


especially in the context of the EU because this is a crucial context


for us, so the latest is - the leader of the dominant Conservative


group in particle. He is saying the clock is ticking for Brexit. There


is going to be pressure on this timetable. We also heard from the


leading negotiator within the parliament for the liberal block


within the European Parliament and he.


Mitchell Barnier, the man leading the negotiations for the EU, all


ready to go, all in place, as soon as this election was over to start


those Brexit negotiations, I have heard that actually that date that


we have been saying was not cast in stone, that was the aim. The aim was


to pick up on those Brexit negotiations within ten days' time.


But it is a moveable feast. Let me say more about him, leader of the


big Conservative group, not just saying the clock is ticking, the UK


needs a Government soon, the date for the beginning of the


negotiations is unclear and then he goes on to say the EU is united, the


UK is deeply split. The Prime Minister May wanted stability but


has brought chaos to her country instead. That's really laying it on


the line. That really is and significantly Martin Schulz, a


powerful important politician in these negotiations, has


congratulated Jeremy Corbyn on his performance and agreed to meet


Jeremy Corbyn and said this is the end of the British plan for hard


Brexit. More to the point, I am wondering is it as some people are


saying, is the ex-from Brexit coming? For that to happen you need


a politician with the votes in the House of Commons to actually hit the


halt button. I don't see who that could possibly be at this stage. It


looks as if there are numbers to have a different kind of Brexit to


the one being talked about. If the pressure is going to come within the


European Parliament and as you say the main Conservative block in the


European Parliament, that actually now the way is wide open for a


different sort of negotiation, she's going to be under a lot of pressure,


Theresa May, to rethink what the lines are going to be because she


will need the support in the House of Commons behind her. What will the


Cabinet Secretary and the senior team around the Cabinet Secretary be


thinking about this process at this stage? They'll be saying this was


always going to be a difficult process. Trying to get these


detailed negotiations done in two years, which is what Article 50


requires, is an incredibly complex task, which most people thought


would only be done in the sense of a few headlines arrangements and then


a transitional deal thereafter or implementation plan to use Theresa


May's words. That's become harder because at the moment the civil


servants will be saying, so, what is our negotiating position? We know


what the EU 27's position is. Has our position changed? Earlier we


were reporting someone in the EU saying actually this is looking more


flexible, but they're saying the clock is ticking and the uncertainty


is on the British side. From our point of view, this timetable has


started. Exactly. So, we do need very quickly to start putting


together some issues about what are we going to learn from this


election? Does it mean a softer Brexit, are we going to stick with


the single market, look again at free movement? All those sorts of


issues come back. There are key issues like the fate of EU


nationals. During the election campaign Labour wanted that and the


Liberal Democrats wanted that to be unilaterally done by the British


Government and that was going to be part of the negotiations, will that


change? The divorce bill... That's the crucial thing. It's over these


things that have already been put out there and we know that the


Government under Theresa May before said they wouldn't pay anything like


100 billion euros which was one of the figures put out there. Is that


going to be sorted first? Or will it become part of the negotiations? She


is in a weaker position than before. One thing I wanted to bring in,


sorry to move around a bit, but it's a very important statement that John


Swinney of the SNP has made about the future of Scotland. Really


important. For people who don't know John Swinney, a very important


figure in the SNP in Scotland, probably now after Alex Salmond


second only to Nicola Sturgeon and he said this morning that the issue


of indyref 2 explains a lot about why the SNP did so badly in many


seats and lost many seats and said we have to take time and care to


reflect on the result and have to acknowledge that the question of a


second referendum was a significant motivator of votes against the SNP


in this election and we have to be attentive to that point. That's


close to a senior member of the SNP saying we are giving up on indyref


2. We will pick up on that. A year Craig obstacle injury is indeed with


me. Big cheese in David Cameron's Downing Street. If you were still in


that job, what would you be advertising MrsMay to do? She takes


to take soundings from the Conservative and find out how much


support. The indications are the Conservative Party seems to be


saying we need another leadership election like a hole in the head.


That doesn't mean to say she's out of the woods. The pressure is going


to be intense but I think she's probably going to see herself


through today. However you spin it, is not the harsh reality that


Theresa May is a Liam duck Prime Minister now? It's extraordinary


difficult if she forms a Government to have a legislative programme


meaningful in any way. Any Government at the moment to going to


have to do difficult things, look at what survived the Conservative


manifesto like getting rid of school lunches, that kind of thing. If you


have a majority of two or three that's going to be voted down in the


House of Commons. Anything difficult is going to constantly come up


against that. You are faced with a prospect of a Government limping on


maybe for a few months and maybe another election. Lots of


instability. And she would be dependent for a majority, if that,


on the DUP in Northern Ireland. Arlene Foster has said this morning,


head of the DUP, it may be quite hard for MrsMay to survive. Exactly


that. But even if she did manage to do a deal with the DUP she has her


own backbenchers with their own wants and needs and concerns. Look


at somebody like Nicky Morgan and Anna Soubrey and people like John


Redwood, the gulf between these people is enormous and when you have


legislation that's also difficult you face the possibility of being


voted down by your own party, never mind doing a deal with the DUP. You


know the Tory Party and backbenchers, the only thing that


really succeeds in the Tory Party is success. And lots of Tories will now


regard Theresa May as a failure. I think that is true, they will feel


they were taken into an election believing on the back of her name


they were going to get an increased majority and she didn't deliver


that, that's a problem. It is a big problem. But perhaps an even bigger


problem is do we really want to be having another leadership election


now and doing that at a time when the Labour Party, I think it's out


of the realms of possibility, but the Labour Party is saying maybe we


could form a Government. Well, that would suggest to me then that the


Conservatives are between a rock and a hard place. They've got a lame


duck leader, but no stomach for another leadership election. They're


in an extremely difficult position. I think what will happen is by the


end of this weekend we will have a sense when people have been able to


phone each other, you will get a sense of what's going on and what's


going to happen. At the moment I think they don't feel they've got


the stomach for the fight. But you will have people agitating and


saying, you said you could deliver this, you said we could go into


Brexit negotiations stronger and we are not stronger. And it's all made


all the worse for many Tories, Wye suggest, because it's entirely


self-inflicted. The decision was taken to have an election by Theresa


May. Now to be fair she was worried about the House of Lords because it


wasn't in a manifesto what they were planning to do in Brexit. Lots of


people in the House of Lords were saying we can play around with this


as much as we want. She felt she needed a mandate to deliver that and


to be fair that's the case. She was also tempted by the fact people were


putting in front of her, look, you have four million Ukip votes up for


grabs, we can take them all and have a majority. It could be a chance to


put the Labour Party to the sword. Of course, all of that came to


nothing. Why was the Tory campaign such a shambles? I think there is an


enormous number of reasons that you have been going through in these


interviews. One I would like to add is I would like to know what data


they were working on. Because it sounds to me like some of the very


punchy tweets coming out of HQ and some of the strategists saying,


YouGov you have to wrong, let's see what happens on the night. Well, we


did see what happened on the night. It appears that the data they were


working on was not that accurate. We were told throughout the campaign


to ignore the polls, the polls have not got it right, the ground war


shows the Tories are doing really well and the Tories will take a


number of Labour seats in the Midlands at the North. That is based


on the kind of data you are talking about, it is clear that was not


accurate. Go it appears that is the case. The ground war in 2015 was


remarkably successful and based on hyper targeted local campaigning. It


appears the Conservative Party were going for seats they could not


realistically get, putting resources in those seats and possibly leaving


themselves bear elsewhere. She called this election because she


wanted a mandate for Brexit, that was the ostensible purpose of doing


it. She called it, of course, because she thought she could win


and win big, see where that got her. She does not have a mandate for


Brexit now. She put her Brexit manifesto in the Tory manifesto and


the people have not voted for it. She is in I'm extraordinarily


difficult position, if you are the European Union negotiating on this


you will say that you started off with this number of MPs, now you


have fewer, when you take this back to the British Parliament can we be


sure you will get it through? It will make the negotiations tougher.


If we were to return, not even with another election, but to talk again


in maybe October, will Mrs May still be Prime Minister? Hard to tell, it


looks extraordinary difficult at the moment but it is an incredibly


volatile time in politics, lots of people making correct predictions


but it looks tough at the moment. It is not exactly strong and stable, is


it? Having got this was the Conservative Party will not be happy


but that was the campaign slogan -- having got this result, the


Conservative Party will not be happy. Let's go back to Huw Edwards


at the BBC Election Centre. Craig Oliver, the master of


understatement, talking to Andrew at the Palace of Westminster.


More news from the European Union, some conflicting signals about how


they are trying to read this result, but Michel Barnier, the chief


negotiator for the European Commission, these Brexit talks, the


man in charge of the process, what has he said?


It is very interesting, he says Brexit negotiations should start


when the UK is ready. In other words, they don't think the UK is


ready right now after the election result last night. Timetable and EU


positions, he says, are clear. They are ready and waiting. Let's put our


minds together on striking a deal. It is interesting he feels there is


no point starting these very complicated discussions that they


will have until he is sure that he is dealing with, yes, the right


person, but also the right offer they will put on the table. As we


discussed before, a representative from The European People's Party


Group said that the clock is ticking and we have started already, so the


pressure from one side of the EU is on Theresa May, but on the other


side they are saying I only want to talk to the person in charge who


knows what they are doing. That tweet from the shop on EA is not an


friendly, difficult or unhelpful, it common sense. -- that tweet from


Michel Barnier. He is not anti-British, he is grand committee


wants to negotiate with very senior ministers only but he is not


difficult for Theresa May and they have a very crucial personal


connection, they are both very friendly with former French Prime


Minister Bernard Cazeneuve and there is a back channel between Michel


Barnier aren't Theresa May. I am stuttering slightly because David


Dimbleby's wretched fly has returned to the studio. He likes you


excavation we thought we had killed him but he is. No flies on me! Some


thoughts on the contribution from Michel Barnier? We have a formidable


opponent against us. What he is saying is I will only talk when you


know what you are talking about. But at the same time we are not moving


the two year deadline, we are squeezing the time and you guys need


to get your act together, that is basically it. I need to jump in, one


important group inside the Conservative Party is calling for a


leadership election. That's likely change as the


temperature. There are other things on the domestic front, Brexit is the


important negotiation ahead, but looking at domestic policy you have


to ask how easy will it be... To have to go through cuts, for


example. That was certainly on the table in terms of welfare. She had


already struggled with some of her own backbenchers in terms of support


for tax credits and the national insurance contributions, that will


be difficult for her in the House of Commons. And also in the House of


Lords. We are talking about changes to the composition of the House of


Commons so the majority has come right down. The House of Lords is it


correctly as it was before, it has a built-in majority the Conservatives.


Basically it will be very difficult. What the Lords will do, they will


not exceed their remit but they can throw things back to the Commons to


think again. Every time you do that it means another vote. If you are


running a minority government, the last thing you want votes in the


Commons because you just need a few rebels and it falls. Getting


difficult and tough choices like cuts through will be incredibly


hard. A great moment to be a Tory backbencher, they will have a lot of


fun. A lot of power. The Telegraph this Breaking Bad the Shadow


Chancellor John McDonnell, who we heard repeating that Theresa May


should resign earlier, is saying, that Theresa May has the week end to


form a government or Labour will try to form a coalition. Goes, I know


you need to go and it has been great having you with us, your expertise


has been a lot of value. If you were in number ten this morning, would


your expectation be that the Prime Minister would emerge and make a


statement at some point? I think she has to. She will go and see the


Queen at some point and she should come out and say here is the


strategy, this is what we will do. I complete the accept that she needs


time. -- I completely accept. The DUP are tricky. She needs to get


together what she will come out and say and how she will take this


forward. But the clock is ticking. She needs to get on with it. Thank


you very much, Gus. We were talking about Labour and John McDonnell.


Owen Smith has been waiting patiently in Cardiff, he challenged


Mr Corbyn for the leadership. What are your thoughts on the Labour


performance overnight? I am delighted we have retained so many


fantastic colleagues and got 30 new colleagues, we have a 40% share of


the vote, a very good night the Labour. Unfortunately we did not win


but it is an excellent performance at Jeremy Corbyn is to be


congratulated for it. What do you think Labour


people and voters will make of the fact that you run a campaign because


you thought, let's face it, he was a dead loss as leader? I was clearly


wrong in feeling Jeremy would not be able to do this well. He has proven


me and lots of people wrong. I take my hat off to him. Is it down to him


as a leader or Labour's policies? I think it has to be both. I don't


what he has but if we could bottle it and drink it we would all be


doing very well. The manifesto, I know from my campaigning and other


colleagues, was incredibly popular. People warmed to the radical ideas


proposed in the manifesto, they want an end to was territory and to see a


government investing in public services. -- they want an end to


austerity. We heard that on the doorstep. We heard from people who


had not voted for a long while and some had never voted before, they


voted Labour, not just young people but people inspired by the policies


and, it has to be said, by Jeremy, to votes Labour. Andrew Marr telling


is that it is carried juice. Where do I get some at this time in the


morning?! The allotment excavation just a thought on how things move


on, Mr McDonnell has basically said that Labour is standing by to form a


minority government, Gus O'Donnell has said the numbers do not make


sense in that regard but the only viable option is the Conservatives


with the help from the DUP. Is that how you see it? I see that Theresa


May has made a catastrophic mistake, not just for the Tory party bid for


the country. In some respects she was right, we need stability at the


point of Brexit negotiations and she has left us with a lass stable


situation to go into those negotiations. The Labour Party must


stand by ready to form a government right now. -- she has left us with a


lass stable situation. I hope we get a stable government and that the


Labour Party is able to form it. I think the manifesto we all stood on


last night would transform the country and I hope we get the


possibility to put it into practice. When we get Michel Barnier, the EUG


from negotiator, saying they are ready to talk when the UK is,


clearly reflecting the deal of uncertainty, how rigid should the


process be? I think there should be flexibility but what he said was a


statement of fact, they can negotiate until they know who the


government of Britain is and who their interlocutors are in the UK. I


think that is why she has to get on with it. John McDonnell is right to


say she needs to move quickly right now. She will want a few hours to


reflect but I think it is incumbent on her as the Prime Minister who


called the selection, which she did not need to, let's not forget, she


had a majority and did not need to go to the country because of Brexit,


she did it out of political opportunism because she thought she


would crush the Labour Party and she has been completely undone.


Unfortunately in her undoing she has left us in a less stable state of


circumstances. Given your comments about Corbyn in the past, would you


serve under him if he were asked? I would serve under any Labour leader,


Jeremy has lots of people who worked brilliantly alongside him in the


campaign, Andrew Gwynne and others were fantastic, I am sure he has


many people he will be talking to and I wish him well. That is a very


modest answer. Thank you for joining us. Owen Smith, the Labour MP.


A final word before the news on where we stand this morning in terms


of Theresa May's options, looking ahead. I am not talking weeks and


months, the next few hours. She is the vicar's daughter, if she has one


thing it is a sense of duty. She knows by now it has made a big, big


political mistake. She took ownership, it was her campaign all


the way, her mistake, therefore she has a duty to try to hold together


the Government, pick up the pieces in the short-term. I am sure in ways


she would love to go off running through wheat fields again or


whatever she would be doing if not leading the Conservative Party and


being Prime Minister, but the Tory party is not in a fit state for


another leadership election and the country would be plunged into


another period of total uncertainty at a crucial moment in the Brexit


negotiations, I think duty calls and she will stay. Viewers are joining


us from around the UK. We better say goodbye, Gus, thanks


very much. The former Cabinet Secretary is leaving us. If you are


just joined us at the BBC election centre, if for some reason you


missed this morning's necessary or have been heavily asleep overnight.


Let me tell you Theresa May is still Prime Minister this morning but


doesn't have a majority in this new parliament. It is to be a hung


parliament. The prospect at the moment seems to be that MrsMay will


stay in power with the help of the DUP, that's not confirmed by the


way, that's just the way that the figures are stacking up. It's been a


remarkable night for Labour making a few gains. Of course the


Conservatives suffering losses that they never thought they would


suffer. We are nowhere near the solid impressive majority that so


many commentators and indeed some of of the polls had been suggesting for


the Conservatives up until that exit poll came last night. So, let's go


straight to one important part of the story because the result in


Scotland, showing heavy losses for the SNP with gains for the


Conservatives and for Labour Party, let's join Lorna Gordon there.


Yeah, the SNP here in Scotland won more seats than any other party by a


large margin but really I think it's fair to say this was not a good


result for them. Some of the big beasts of the SNP are gone. Alex


Salmond gone. Angus Robertson gone, that SNP map of Scotland in 2015


where Scotland was pretty much painted SNP yellow is a patchwork


quilt. We have had comments in the last couple of hours. John Swinney


saying the - acknowledged the result might show that the second


independence referendum, the suggestion of that, was a


significant motivator of votes in this election and that the SNP had


to be attentive to that. They lost 21 seats. With me we have heard from


politicians, we have heard from others, but what about voters? With


me are four voters who have braved the rain here in Edinburgh this


morning to have a chat. Selma, David, Kim and Robert. Thank


you for joining us, what did you vote and what do you make of the


result? I voted for the SNP but I think they have to remember that


from 2010 to the moment Scotland still has one dominant party,


whereas the UK now appears to have a very wounded Tory Party being


propped up by the DUP. That doesn't sound strong and stable to me.


Certainly doesn't look a good lead into Brexit. What's going to happen


to local policies throughout the UK? A big drop for the SNP, what do you


think went wrong? That was a readjustment after the 2015


election. What is the big elephant in the room people don't want to


talk about is 2014, you have 22-45 and that came about not with one


political party, that came about through a grass roots movement that


transcended class and area and that is what is going to revitalise


Scotland. David, you voted Conservative. Of course they had a


poor night across the UK, a good night here in Scotland. What


happened, what went right for the Conservatives here in Scotland? I


think Ruth Davidson is the real clue to what went on, she's a fantastic


leader and the team in Scotland did a fantastic job of getting out and


getting the vote out. What was the policy that the Tories were


campaigning on that was really just one message? It was primarily on


union and anti-indyref two. I voted SNP this time around. What do the


Tories stand for, I don't know. Ruth Davidson is my MSP, I never managed


to get her to say anything about policy, I have asked her views on


certain things, not from any sort of attacking position, to find out what


she stands for and I have no idea what they stand for. Nonetheless the


SNP leadership itself seems to be acknowledging that a significant


part of this vote, the drop in the number of MPs, they'll be returning


to Westminster, is down to the fact this was a vote against a second


independence referendum. Yeah, but we should be voting on policies. We


are having a general election about which way we want to run the


country, not about another referendum. Who did you vote for and


why? Ian Murray, my Labour MP, he is an excellent constituency MP and I


feel he needed the support, I am surprised and delighted so many more


Labour MPs got in this time. Also because I feel strongly that I want


to send a message that I don't want another referendum. I don't. It's


curious, though, that you seem to be voting for a constituency MP on


constituency reasons. But you look across Scotland, there has been a


surge as well in the Labour vote, it seems to be down to Jeremy Corbyn


but your MP is not a great fan of Jeremy Corbyn. I don't know that it


is necessarily Jeremy Corbyn. I took the view that it was probably people


voted SNP, having usually been a Labour supporter, have now got


cheesed off with the SNP and what they keep banging on about and gone


back to what they originally supported and believed in. That's my


view, I don't know if that's supported by fact. What do you


think? In view of the fact that every time Kezia Dugdale and Jeremy


Corbyn got together, you got a disagreement, Kezia Dugdale can't


keep the Scottish Labour Party together. Stirling constituency


Labour Party said vote Tory. In Aberdeen there was a break away from


the Labour Party. The whole thing is actually crumbling. That has what


has allowed the Conservative Party to come back into Scotland. For


Labour to be telling Labour to vote tactically, to vote for Tories, is


unbelievable in Scotland. It will not continue. David, as a


Conservative voter, do you think a second referendum is dead and


buried? You can never say that. I think the SNP will come back with


some story that would indicate it is still on the table. Definitely. My


prediction is, this will sound crazy, the Tories will go back and


say the SNP is wounded in Scotland, let's put this to bed forever, this


referendum, they'll have it and then lose it. What do you make of that?


Who, the Tories will lose again? Because the Tories consistently


lose. You said it. Every time you call one of these referendum, you


lose it! Tories consistently lose in Scotland! We are in confusing times.


What is that Chinese curse, may you live in interesting times, we live


in interesting times. Thank you very much for that. Never a truer word


was said. We live in confusing and very interesting times. Not least


here in Scotland. Lorna, thank you very much. Thank


you to your guests too. 648 results have come in. We have two to go. One


is Cornwall North. We are expecting the Conservatives to hold on. That


would give them 318. That will take them up to 318. Our forecast is 319


because that includes the forecast for Kensington. But as I was saying


they've taken a break there because it's so tight and the word a while


ago before they took a break to start counting again, was that


Labour were just ahead. The Conservatives could end up, not on


319 but on 318. That's the picture. Two results to come in. We are now


certainly looking at, as we have been saying repeatedly, a hung


parliament. A word from David Miliband. Yes, he tweeted saying


wow. So good. Labour stronger, so good brutal Brexit rejected. So good


next generation realised the stakes and spoke up. David Miliband of


course wanted to be Labour leader. Beaten by his brother Ed Miliband


who lost the election in 2015. There he is, from his position in New York


saying that he thinks brutal Brexit has been rejected. And saying that


is down to the younger generation. When the polls were looking and


projecting what the result was going to be it looked as if the younger


generation was going to come out in big numbers for Jeremy Corbyn but


the fear was they might not come out and vote. It looks in some places as


if they did. Thank you. I was mentioning Kensington. Look at these


images. It tells you something about the state of exhaustion.


After a very long night. We do symphathise. Yes, it's a weary look.


That time already! And this is the team in Kensington


where basically a short time ago they were all told you have had a


very hard night, still no result. Then, you know, take a break. Come


back later. We may not get a result in Kensington later today. It may


even be tomorrow. So, let's fill in a little more detail on Kensington


and go to Emily. I have been hearing off record there


are about 35 votes in it. They've done a couple of recounts already


that might explain the looks of utter exhaustion on the faces.


Labour has been ahead in one of those recounts. If there are just 35


votes in it you can see why they might have paused for a moment to


make sure they're not missing things and seeing double. Dropping things


on the floor. And have decided to suspend it to come back. It's


incredibly tight. The reason for that is that the sitting MP for the


Conservatives was a Brexiteer in a very Remaining part of London. We


often talk in these terms on a night like tonight of swings and


majorities and maths involved in a hung parliament and coalition. It


all comes down to personalities. It is the political careers that we


have been watching again on a night like tonight. I have picked out a


few. They've really been the drama of the


night. One is Sheffield Hallam, one of the most poignant images was


seeing Nick Clegg lose his seat. He said I have never shirked from


fighting political battles. He lost out here on a pretty tight race. He


is no longer an MP. The Lib Dems losing out. Tim Farron held on in


Westmorland and Lonsdale. Gordon, another big beast, Alex Salmond lost


out to the Conservative Colin Clarke. Will he be having a word


with Nicola Sturgeon perhaps about the kind of campaign that the SNP


have run? Hastings, we were watching this with a lot of trepidation for


Amber Rudd. She held on. The Labour Party will be disappointed to miss


this, it would have been huge to take, the sitting Home Secretary.


One more to bring you. Ipswich. This is Suffolk, we don't expect any red


in a part of the world like this. But Ben Gummer, not only was one of


the Cabinet Office ministers, but actually responsible for some of the


manifesto writing and policies in it, lost his seat to sandy Martin.


One person who has had an excellent night, the big green beast, Caroline


Lucas who nearly doubled her majority in the only seat they hold.


Thank you very much. Emily with the laitest and some of


the personalities. We have been talking about the permutations for


Government and talking about Theresa May probably having to rely on the


DUP. Let's go to Belfast and Chris Page


is there. Your thoughts on what the likely parameters will be, what will


the conversation be like between Theresa May and the DUP? The DUP


have found themselves in a position they've never been in before as


potential King-makers in a hung parliament. Perhaps understandably


they're not giving away too much publicly as to what the price for


their support might be. But if you look at what they've said in the


past about this and their manifesto this time around, you might get some


clues. Back in 2015 when everybody expected a hung parliament that


didn't actually happen in the end, the DUP spoke often of what they


would do, what their attitude would be if they found themselves in a


position of influence. On that occasion they said they wouldn't


want to take Ministerial positions, but they would rather support a


Government under a confidence and supply arrangement. This time they


haven't specified whether they would ask for seats around the Cabinet


table or if they would accept a confidence and supply move. As


regards policies, they may ask for financial assistance for Northern


Ireland, for the likes of infrastructure projects. If you look


at their manifesto, some of the economic policies, well, on the


broader issues they would want the triple-lock in pensions retained, a


cut in VAT from tourism businesses, they would want the personal tax


allowance increased. You may well get some discussion around draweder


policy issues, not just matters that solely affect Northern Ireland. A


big one will be Brexit. The DUP passionately supported Brexit. They


were probably the most Eurosceptic party in the UK until the rise of


Ukip. They may push for some flexibility for Northern Ireland, a


stronger voice for Northern Ireland around the Brexit negotiating table


and some flexibilities, particularly when it comes to that all-important


issue of border controls between Northern Ireland and the Republic.


They have said as Theresa May herself has said, that they want


crossing the border to remain as seamless and expect that on the wish


list. Thought on the broader picture in


Northern Ireland? A strong motor for the DUP and Sinn Fein. Remarkable to


see here the UUP, the SDLP and the Alliance with nothing. The DUP and


Sinn Fein have taken their dominance politics in Northern Ireland to way


whole new level. Very few if any predicted they would wipe out the


nationalist SDLP and the Ulster Unionist Party, but that has


happened overnight. DUP have gained two seeds, Sinn Fein have gained


three, and Lady Sylvia Hermon is the only other MP in Northern Ireland,


the independent unionist. The SDLP have no MPs at Westminster, there


will be no Irish nationalist representation on the bench as the


House of Commons because Sinn Fein, as Irish republicans, do not take


their seats. The last century, the UUP was the fourth largest party in


the House of Commons, that is a pub quiz questions and people have been


asked excavation up now they are reduced to no MPs. The last time


they won two seeds back after going without any MPs for five years, now


their tally is zero once more. Thank you very much, Chris, in


Belfast, with the latest on the picture in Northern Ireland, which


is a very important picture of this Government jigsaw. What will


Conservative backbenchers make of it? The former Deputy Speaker Nigel


Evans joins us. We are reporting a very unexpected story in some ways,


what do you make of it? Totally baffled. Normally when you win 42%


of the National vote you expect a big majority, Tony Blair got that


with 44%, a landslide. But did not happen for us. The question is why.


The answer has to be that the campaign was going absolutely


swimmingly until we launched our manifesto. And then on the horizon,


way in the distance, the liner heading towards a landslide victory


which none of this really believed, we thought we would get a big


majority but nothing like 150 or 160, but we steered the line


straight towards the iceberg called social care, the triple lock, winter


weather payments and, quite frankly, that is all people wanted to talk


about. For several days we derailed our own campaign, we very well


hijacked our successful campaign and we were not talking about the Labour


Party any more or what their policies were, we were talking about


social care policies and trying to justify them. Then we had to clarify


them and the whole thing went downhill. Who takes responsibility


for that? I want to know, I want to know who was responsible for putting


that in the manifesto and, quite frankly, there has to be... I know


you will want to know whether I support Theresa May, the answer is


yes. 43% of the vote, we did remarkably well in Scotland and we


were making some games. But the fact is we had a whole range of seats we


should have won, we could not win Lancaster and Fleetwood back with


only a couple of hundred majority, we could not even win the City of


Chester. Loads of our candidates who should have won up and down the


country were absolutely slain on the cross of our own manifesto. Big


questions will be asked about the governance and the style of


governance. We cannot carry on in that way. Had the manifesto with


some of those bad traps in its been shown to some of the older, wiser


cabinet members before it had been announced, surely it would not have


even featured in the manifesto. It has cost us the general election.


Noted you expressed support for Theresa May but you would have to


acknowledge that she really is the authority behind the manifesto and


really there has been a lot of talk about the way that she runs things


with a very tight team, the very point you are making about not


canvassing opinion more widely. Is it possible to retain authority


going into such a very challenging period, not least with the Brexit


talks happening in ten days? I believe so and I believe it will be


talked about in the 1922 committee. I am one of the joint secretaries to


that committee. I am certain Theresa May will want to explain how there


will be a change in the way that we will do things. Had some of the


Cabinet ministers seem that policy beforehand then surely that's never


would have featured in our manifesto at all. Never have I seen a very


successful campaign up until that point being hijacked by ourselves.


We hijacked our own campaign. From then on it was an absolute disaster.


To be clear, if any of your colleagues pop-up asking for the


Prime Minister to stand down, you will tell them they are wrong? Yes,


I will be supporting Theresa May to come to some coalition deal with the


DUP in order that in 11 days' time we will be starting Brexit


discussions and, as I said, Theresa got a 43% share of the vote and in


normal times that it would have been a very good majority for us. But the


fact is that it lots of seats up and down the country it was polarised,


the Lib Dems were hammered in the vast majority of seats, in Southport


in the north-west where they had held they ended up third and the


Conservatives gained that seat. 43% was a very strong percentage but the


fact is that the Labour Party were able to talk about all the things


they were offering, including free tuition, so lots of young people


turned out that normally do not and said they would vote for the Labour


Party and they manage 41% of the vote and clung onto lots of the


seats that otherwise would have gone the way of the Conservatives. Even


in my own seat, my vote was almost 32,000, the biggest it has ever


been, but the Labour Party God went up to 18,000, the biggest it has


ever been. The Lib Dem and Green votes were crushed, and you can put


crushed all over the place, 3% of the national vote. When you would


normally expect the Ukip vote to mostly come to the Conservative


Party, that simply did not happen. On a number of doorsteps I heard


people say I voted for Ukip before, I was going to vote Conservative but


now I have seen what you are going to do, what you have put in your


manifesto, what you will do to my winter weather payments, I am not


coming with you. That cost us lots of seats. Good to


talk to you, Nigel Evans, thank you. The former Conservative Cabinet


Minister Nicky Morgan joins us. Thank you. What do you think of the


position this morning? Clearly it was stunning, a huge


shock to everybody, you could see that on the faces throughout the


night. This is clearly not the result that any of us wanted when


the Prime Minister called the election way back in April. It has


been eight at seven weeks and I want to say that I really feel for


colleagues who have lost their seats -- it has been a tough seven weeks.


Force India who has been an MP for two, seven or ten years -- for


somebody who has been an MP for two, seven or ten years and then not to


be, it is age Mendis shock and we all feel for them. -- it is a


tremendous shock. We have discussed Theresa May's position with Nigel


Evans, what are your thoughts on how she can carry on? Do you acknowledge


her authority has been badly damaged by this result? This is a result


that she absolutely did not want and none of us wanted. That will make


life difficult. I think she should carry on, I think she is entitled as


Prime Minister to see if she is able to form a Government. I think there


has been talk and I came in as you were talking about the DUP and a


potential coalition with them, it is right that she does. I think people


want there to be parity about leadership, we have the very


important Brexit negotiations starting in 11 days, there is a


Cabinet in place, in David Davis we have a Brexit Secretary who stop the


negotiations, I think that should happen. Nigel is right, there will


be discussion within the Conservative Party about the


campaign. Can you tell viewers today that


following this campaign and, indeed, some events that happened before the


campaign, that you have confidence in Theresa May's leadership this


morning? I think that Theresa May is


absolutely a competent, a more than capable Prime Minister and leader of


the party but clearly there has been a misjudgement in the way that we


started off thinking there would be a significant win for the


Conservative Party, that has not happened and we need to understand


why. There are two things, having a Government prepared to negotiate


Brexit, which I think most people in the country wants to see, and there


is what will happen in the Conservative Party, which is for us


to deal with, I am not sure it is of great wider interest to the


electorate. Thank you, Nicky Morgan, the former Conservative Cabinet


minister. Peter Kelly has joined us, a quick thought? The polls before


the exit poll on the whole set the Conservatives would win big. Two


years ago when I was a pollster, we got it badly wrong, we said would be


a hung parliament and it was not. Most of the polls have gone the


other way this time, two pollsters can hold their heads up high, the


first is one of the newer companies which has consistently said for the


last two days it was a very tight race, and the other is my old


company, YouGov. They did something very brave and innovative, they


collected answers from 50,000 people, 7000 today, and enquired in


great detail into the demographics of it and then produced, very


bravely, a look at each constituency. They were mocked when


they said Amber Rudd might be in trouble in Hastings, she was. They


were mocked when they said Labour might win Canterbury for the first


time ever, it did. They were mocked when they said Labour was ahead in


Enfield Southgate, it has won Enfield Southgate. My old company,


nothing to do with me now, did something very brave and got it


right. Even a newspaper which commissioned the polls did not quite


believe them. The Times kept saying this is a very brave unsurprising


poll. -- brave and surprising poll. We will pick up the polling point in


more detail, because it is interesting, you mentioned the


Times, Andy, and Andrew Neil hasn't guests from the breast, let's join


him. We do indeed, Huw. It is raining in


Westminster, public Tory tears given the state of the election result,


lots of weeping and gnashing of teeth but we have two while members


of Her Majesty's press, Kevin Maguire of the mirror, James Forsyth


the Spectator. James, let me come to you. Malfunctioning Maybot, the


people say no, wrong can she survive as Prime Minister? That is a


question the Cabinet were debating in the early hours of Blast. Some


people thought she had to try to carry on in the national interest


with the Brexit negotiation so close, others thought she went to


the country seeking a majority and a mandate and she got neither, but I


think she will carry on for a short period. The Tory party want to get


back into office, they do not want another election in the autumn. They


worry that the momentum is with Labour and another election will be


even worse than them. That happened in 1974 when Mr Wilson won leg, it


was a hung parliament but by October he had won a small overall majority.


I do not think the Tories think that is an option, I think she will do a


deal with the DUP and governed for a period. The authorities she had has


gone now. Even those in the Cabinet who say they want her to stay are


talking about how the style of number ten has to change, it has to


be genuinely collective decision-making. This would be a


very different Premiership from the one she has had to date. She has


never changed, why should we she tried to make a great virtue of that


in the campaign, it has backfired hugely. We are old enough to


remember -- we are old enough to run but that she said she had no


intention of calling a general election. When she say she has no


intention of resigning we take it with a pinch of salt. We know she


will never fight another election. The Tories are wonderfully ruthless,


that is why they have been in power for most of the last century. At


some point they will push her and she is gone from somebody who had a


magic spell, broken completely, her authority is shot to pieces. By


seeking to consummate the marriage she has entered the honeymoon with


the public and her own party. One of the thing saving her is that there


is no obvious alternative. Philip Hammond is not a more charismatic


politician than Theresa May. Is he still around, I haven't seen him? Is


he still Chancellor? He is probably laughing now. His fingerprints are


not on this. He was human gated. David Davis is getting a lot of lame


because he was one of those urging her to go for the early election, he


said it is much more sensible for the sake of the Brexit timetable, so


he is tainted by that. There is a Brexit backlash element, Boris


Johnson has a ?350 million problem, Amber Rudd, one of the Tories who


enhance their reputation chewing the campaign, has a wafer thin majority


in Hastings and there is a question about whether you can be a Prime


Minister when your constituency is so small. Ruth Davidson, who has


come out of this with her reputation enhanced, is not even an MP. John


McDonnell told me earlier that they are on stand-by to form a minority


government, but no deals with the SNP or the Lib Dems or the Greens?


That is not have a minority government works, by definition you


need to do deals? There would be a lot of backroom deals, I think he


means no formal coalition as we saw between the Conservatives


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