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from me, David Dimbleby, here's the news witty Louise Minchin. | :00:00. | :00:00. | |
Theresa May's decision to call a snap election has backfired | :00:00. | :00:07. | |
as the UK wakes up to a hung parliament. | :00:08. | :00:09. | |
The Conservatives have lost their majority, | :00:10. | :00:11. | |
Labour has done better than expected. | :00:12. | :00:17. | |
And Jeremy Corbyn has called for Theresa May to resign. | :00:18. | :00:20. | |
The Prime Minister says the country needs stability. | :00:21. | :00:22. | |
The night saw both Alex Salmond and Nick Clegg lose their seats. | :00:23. | :00:25. | |
Our political correspondent Tom Bateman's report | :00:26. | :00:26. | |
A political gamble - the hope that she would transform | :00:27. | :00:37. | |
the Tories' fragile advantage in Parliament with a huge win. | :00:38. | :00:41. | |
But the smiles of the campaign trail have vanished. | :00:42. | :00:46. | |
Forecasts suggest the Conservatives may end up even worse off, | :00:47. | :00:49. | |
If, as the indications have shown, if this is correct, | :00:50. | :00:54. | |
that the Conservative Party has won the most seats, and probably | :00:55. | :00:57. | |
the most votes, then it will be incumbent on us to ensure we have | :00:58. | :01:02. | |
that period of stability, and that is what we will do. | :01:03. | :01:07. | |
And you can see what the Labour leader makes | :01:08. | :01:10. | |
A man whose campaign confounded many expectations. | :01:11. | :01:15. | |
Beaming smiles, with Labour on course for a far better | :01:16. | :01:17. | |
The Prime Minister called the election because | :01:18. | :01:23. | |
Well, the mandate she's got is lost Conservative seats, | :01:24. | :01:29. | |
lost votes, lost support, and lost confidence. | :01:30. | :01:33. | |
I would have thought that is enough to go, actually. | :01:34. | :01:37. | |
In Battersea, Labour have ousted a government | :01:38. | :01:40. | |
Labour held Cambridge, increasing their majority by 12,000. They took | :01:41. | :01:57. | |
Peterburg from the Conservatives, boosting their share of the vote by | :01:58. | :01:59. | |
12%. The Home Secretary Amber Rudd | :02:00. | :02:09. | |
only just scraped home In Sheffield, the Lib Dem's former | :02:10. | :02:11. | |
leader Nick Clegg has lost his seat. I, of course, have encountered this | :02:12. | :02:19. | |
evening something that many people have encountered before tonight, | :02:20. | :02:21. | |
and I suspect many people will encounter after tonight, | :02:22. | :02:23. | |
which is in politics you live by the sword and you | :02:24. | :02:26. | |
die by the sword. The night began with | :02:27. | :02:29. | |
a projection - the exit poll. This morning, with most seats | :02:30. | :02:41. | |
counted, the BBC forecasts the Conservatives as the largest party | :02:42. | :02:43. | |
but short of an overall majority. The SNP have lost on a disappointing | :02:44. | :02:51. | |
night. The SNP have lost big names | :02:52. | :02:59. | |
on a disappointing night, compared with their Scottish | :03:00. | :03:01. | |
landslide two years ago. Their Deputy Leader Angus Robertson | :03:02. | :03:03. | |
was ousted by the Conservatives and their former leader Alex Salmond | :03:04. | :03:06. | |
lost his seat too. Now one of Theresa May's own MPs | :03:07. | :03:08. | |
is laying the blame on her. I think she's in a very | :03:09. | :03:11. | |
difficult place. She's a remarkable and a very | :03:12. | :03:13. | |
talented woman, and she doesn't shy from difficult decisions, | :03:14. | :03:16. | |
but she now has to The festival of democracy has been | :03:17. | :03:18. | |
on full show, as have the upsets. Theresa May arrived at party HQ | :03:19. | :03:29. | |
knowing there are those who say this result should be the end of her | :03:30. | :03:35. | |
Premiership. Now dawn breaks on renewed political uncertainty. Mrs | :03:36. | :03:38. | |
may wanted a strong, stable and triumphant return to Westminster | :03:39. | :03:44. | |
ahead of Brexit talks. She has ended up weakened, with fewer MPs and | :03:45. | :03:45. | |
calls for her to go. In Northern Ireland, both the SDLP | :03:46. | :03:49. | |
and the Ulster Unionist Party It was a successful night | :03:50. | :03:52. | |
for the largest parties. The Democratic Unionist Party won | :03:53. | :03:57. | |
ten seats, Sinn Fein won seven seats but will continue to abstain | :03:58. | :04:00. | |
from sitting in Parliament. The result could see the DUP play | :04:01. | :04:02. | |
a key role in any potential coalition negotiations | :04:03. | :04:06. | |
with the Conservative Party. In Wales, the Labour Party had | :04:07. | :04:10. | |
a strong night, taking back a number The results represent | :04:11. | :04:13. | |
a blow to the Tories, who had hoped to make | :04:14. | :04:18. | |
gains in pro-Brexit areas. Plaid Cymru won four seats, | :04:19. | :04:21. | |
and the Liberal Democrats Meanwhile, Ukip have failed to win | :04:22. | :04:24. | |
any seats in Parliament. Their share of the vote | :04:25. | :04:31. | |
collapsed across Britain, and their leader Paul Nuttall came | :04:32. | :04:34. | |
third in Boston and Skegness. The Green Party remain | :04:35. | :04:38. | |
unchanged, with one seat. The party co-leader Caroline Lucas, | :04:39. | :04:42. | |
who held Brighton Pavilion, said the Greens will never support | :04:43. | :04:45. | |
a Tory government. The Greens are forecast | :04:46. | :04:49. | |
to win 2% of the vote. As the markets across Europe open | :04:50. | :04:53. | |
this morning, traders will react They are bracing themselves for a | :04:54. | :04:57. | |
volatile day. Overnight, sterling suffered one | :04:58. | :05:05. | |
of its biggest falls since January, sinking at one point | :05:06. | :05:07. | |
to a low of almost 2% against the dollar and the euro | :05:08. | :05:09. | |
after the initial exit poll. Let's take a look at this morning's | :05:10. | :05:12. | |
weather, with Matt Taylor. Good morning, well, weather-wise, a | :05:13. | :05:25. | |
brighter day across the UK. A bit more sunshine. A few showers so | :05:26. | :05:29. | |
don't leave home without the umbrella. Showers across western | :05:30. | :05:33. | |
England, Wales and Northern Ireland, working eastwards, into central and | :05:34. | :05:37. | |
eastern England for the late morning and afternoon. Some heavy and | :05:38. | :05:41. | |
thundery. Scotland starts work at turning more dry and right. Cloudy | :05:42. | :05:48. | |
in the north and east. Temperatures 17-22, tonight the rain will spread | :05:49. | :05:53. | |
in from the west across the country. Saturday, a wet start to the weekend | :05:54. | :05:55. | |
across western areas. Time now to cross | :05:56. | :05:59. | |
over to Huw Edwards. A very good morning from the BBC | :06:00. | :06:21. | |
Election Centre. It has been a long and very eventful night. Let me tell | :06:22. | :06:25. | |
you, it's going to be a long and very eventful day as well, because | :06:26. | :06:29. | |
nothing has turned out as people expected. Even until that late hour | :06:30. | :06:36. | |
of 9.55 last night. If you are just joining us on BBC One, let me show | :06:37. | :06:37. | |
you the state of play. The screen on the Houses of | :06:38. | :06:46. | |
Parliament tells us clearly that Theresa May has lost the majority | :06:47. | :06:51. | |
she went into this election with. We are looking at a hung parliament. | :06:52. | :06:58. | |
326 is the finishing line. That is the magic number you need to be in a | :06:59. | :07:03. | |
majority in the House of Commons. But the Conservatives will not be | :07:04. | :07:07. | |
there. It is, however, likely that if they combined with the Unionists | :07:08. | :07:11. | |
in Northern Ireland, they can get past the finishing line in some | :07:12. | :07:16. | |
form. But believe me, we are nowhere near that yet. A few results to | :07:17. | :07:21. | |
come. I will introduce my guests. Let's say this mildly, there is | :07:22. | :07:24. | |
quite a lot for us to talk about today. With me, Norah O'Donnell, the | :07:25. | :07:30. | |
former Cabinet Secretary. It is good to have you with us. -- Lord | :07:31. | :07:35. | |
O'Donnell. You can shed light on the turmoil going on in Downing Street | :07:36. | :07:41. | |
today when they think about that permutations. Jo Coburn, my | :07:42. | :07:44. | |
Westminster colleague, giving us analysis and bringing us up to date | :07:45. | :07:49. | |
with what is going on. And Andrew Marr, of the BBC, is with us. We are | :07:50. | :07:53. | |
going to Richmond Park for the declaration first. | :07:54. | :08:04. | |
I declare the total number of votes is as follows. Zac Goldsmith, | :08:05. | :08:09. | |
Conservative Party, 28,000 588. Peter Joule, Ukip, 426. Sarah Olney, | :08:10. | :08:33. | |
Liberal Democrats, 28,543. The total number of ballot papers | :08:34. | :09:16. | |
rejected was 131. Because votes were given for more than one candidate, | :09:17. | :09:22. | |
19. Because they were unmarked or void, 112. The turnout was 79.3%. I | :09:23. | :09:35. | |
hereby declare that the said Zac Goldsmith is Julie elected as Member | :09:36. | :09:38. | |
of Parliament for the Richmond Park constituency. | :09:39. | :09:42. | |
A majority of just 45, a very high turnout of 79%. Sarah Olney, of the | :09:43. | :09:56. | |
Lib Dems, who won the by-election, pipped at the post by Zac Goldsmith, | :09:57. | :10:01. | |
who is re-elected in this part of South London. I just want to start | :10:02. | :10:07. | |
by thanking the returning officer for organising what was a very | :10:08. | :10:12. | |
difficult process. And all of the counters, many of whom are still | :10:13. | :10:15. | |
here today. You will be delighted to know that is the end of the | :10:16. | :10:20. | |
counting. I am very grateful to them and the returning officer for their | :10:21. | :10:27. | |
extremely hard work. They have ensured the election has been safe | :10:28. | :10:30. | |
and effective and smooth, and we are very grateful to them. Before I talk | :10:31. | :10:36. | |
about my own team, I want to pay tribute to my fellow candidates, | :10:37. | :10:41. | |
particularly Sarah Olney, my predecessor. That sounds a bit odd, | :10:42. | :10:46. | |
but my predecessor. And my fellow candidate Peter, who is not here | :10:47. | :10:52. | |
now, but a pleasure meeting him and Cate and I wish all three the best. | :10:53. | :10:57. | |
I cannot stand here and not thank my own campaign team. People have given | :10:58. | :11:03. | |
up five weeks, night and day, just simply from the goodness of their | :11:04. | :11:07. | |
heart. Working their fingers to the bone to deliver this result. This is | :11:08. | :11:13. | |
their results. The fact it is such a narrow margin, I think, means | :11:14. | :11:18. | |
effectively that this is owned by all of us. It is extraordinary and I | :11:19. | :11:23. | |
am just so grateful to all of you. But more than anything, I am | :11:24. | :11:26. | |
grateful to my constituents for having put their trust in me again. | :11:27. | :11:31. | |
I hope they know I will never let them down. We have the most special | :11:32. | :11:38. | |
community in the world. Representing this community is an unimaginable, | :11:39. | :11:41. | |
incalculable honour, and something I am so excited about doing over the | :11:42. | :11:46. | |
next five years. We have challenges, but so many opportunities, and I | :11:47. | :11:49. | |
look forward to working with all of you to ensure that we take advantage | :11:50. | :11:54. | |
of those opportunities. Thank you very much indeed. Zac Goldsmith, | :11:55. | :12:00. | |
returned as the Conservative MP for Richmond Park. A few words from | :12:01. | :12:06. | |
Sarah Olney, the loser by 45 votes. He won the by-election there just a | :12:07. | :12:08. | |
few months ago. Back to the studio. That is within the results we were | :12:09. | :12:18. | |
forecasting. We now have the Conservatives on a forecast of 318, | :12:19. | :12:24. | |
eight short of the 326 needed. Let me underline again at 7.13 on Friday | :12:25. | :12:30. | |
morning that Theresa May has lost the majority she went into the | :12:31. | :12:35. | |
election with, against lots of the expectations. So the day will really | :12:36. | :12:40. | |
be focusing on what kind of government we are looking at, and | :12:41. | :12:43. | |
indeed whether Theresa May will be heading that government. Andrew | :12:44. | :12:48. | |
Marr, your thoughts at this stage. The second most important question | :12:49. | :12:51. | |
is does Theresa May stay as Prime Minister? She has met Cabinet | :12:52. | :12:54. | |
colleagues already this morning and the advice strongly is she has a | :12:55. | :12:58. | |
duty to stay and hold the Government together. You cannot go into a Tory | :12:59. | :13:04. | |
party leadership contest with the hullabaloo and mayhem that would | :13:05. | :13:08. | |
involve right before Brexit negotiations. Which leads me to the | :13:09. | :13:11. | |
single most important question, what happens to the Brexit talks? A Prime | :13:12. | :13:18. | |
Minister has no -- who has no authority in the House of Commons, | :13:19. | :13:21. | |
to deliver the kind of compromise she is going to be asked for, that | :13:22. | :13:26. | |
is why we had the election, and now she has two govern with almost | :13:27. | :13:32. | |
certainly the DUP from Northern Ireland. The DUP's Arlene Foster | :13:33. | :13:36. | |
takes a very different view on things like immigration control, the | :13:37. | :13:41. | |
single market, hard borders. I have talked to senior members of the | :13:42. | :13:44. | |
Conservative government who don't believe it will be possible to | :13:45. | :13:48. | |
deliver the kind of Brexit deal they have been planning in these new | :13:49. | :13:53. | |
circumstances, because they have a coalition in the House of Commons | :13:54. | :13:58. | |
which includes everyone from Tory Remainers like Anna Soubry and Ken | :13:59. | :14:08. | |
Clarke, the DUP, and very hard-core Brexiteers... How does that | :14:09. | :14:12. | |
coalition deliver a clear negotiating position? It probably | :14:13. | :14:15. | |
means a period of very, very slow-moving negotiation, and no deal | :14:16. | :14:21. | |
possibly, and certainly not a hard Brexit or the soft Brexit that many | :14:22. | :14:27. | |
people think can emerge out of this. Gus O'Donnell, I am wondering, your | :14:28. | :14:31. | |
successor as Cabinet Secretary today, looking at this set of | :14:32. | :14:36. | |
results... Clearly there is enormous uncertainty. What is going on there | :14:37. | :14:42. | |
right now? I am pleased because, from the lessons of 2010 and the | :14:43. | :14:47. | |
coalition, we have always prepared for all possible outcomes. So they | :14:48. | :14:52. | |
will have gone through this one. The numbers here are particularly | :14:53. | :14:55. | |
difficult. It's quite clear. It looks to me we are talking about | :14:56. | :15:00. | |
minority government. We are talking about a situation where the Prime | :15:01. | :15:06. | |
Minister, this is very important, the Prime Minister has to stay as | :15:07. | :15:10. | |
Prime Minister for now. Short-term, it's very important that we have a | :15:11. | :15:14. | |
Prime Minister. Those negotiations on Brexit will be nonexistent. And I | :15:15. | :15:19. | |
think the reason we need to think about this is, think of it from the | :15:20. | :15:24. | |
other point of view. It takes two sides to negotiate. The EU I going | :15:25. | :15:29. | |
to say, well, who are we negotiating with? Will this Prime Minister be | :15:30. | :15:34. | |
around? What is their position? Fall of the good reasons Andrew said, I | :15:35. | :15:40. | |
don't think there is a position. What the EU is very good at is lots | :15:41. | :15:45. | |
of process and no substance. There will be view was watching and | :15:46. | :15:48. | |
thinking, hang on a second, Article 50 has been triggered and there is a | :15:49. | :15:52. | |
strict timetable. So there is a limit to how much you can delay and | :15:53. | :15:54. | |
fudge? Exactly. So, eventually we will get | :15:55. | :16:10. | |
to that two-year deadline, which can only be extended if the 27 agree on | :16:11. | :16:17. | |
it, starts to bite. But that is a very asymmetric process. It is | :16:18. | :16:21. | |
really good for the 27, because they will threaten us with, OK, no deal, | :16:22. | :16:26. | |
you're out, WTO terms, that's very bad for us. So this is not good news | :16:27. | :16:30. | |
for our Brexit negotiations. One of the ironies about the campaign was, | :16:31. | :16:36. | |
it was supposed to be the Brexit election, that is how Theresa May | :16:37. | :16:41. | |
describe it, she wanted to have an even bigger mandate. But actually, | :16:42. | :16:45. | |
until the very end, the last few days, we heard very little about | :16:46. | :16:48. | |
Brexit, we heard very little about the shape of the Brexit negotiations | :16:49. | :16:53. | |
which Theresa May wanted to take the country towards. Yes, coming out of | :16:54. | :16:58. | |
the single market, yes, perhaps coming out of the customs union, | :16:59. | :17:03. | |
too. So, in a way, the 27 would not know exactly what was on the table. | :17:04. | :17:07. | |
And now, Theresa May will have to rethink on all sorts of levels, if | :17:08. | :17:12. | |
she stays, which she will have to, for the short-term, what is she | :17:13. | :17:15. | |
going to do within her own team? There will be those who say, you | :17:16. | :17:19. | |
need to listen to us a little more carefully. May be Philip Hammond, | :17:20. | :17:22. | |
there were rumours she was going to reshuffle him out of the Cabinet - | :17:23. | :17:28. | |
that looks very unlikely now. Boris Johnson may have a bigger say. That | :17:29. | :17:33. | |
small team around Theresa May is not going to be able to wield the kind | :17:34. | :17:36. | |
of power and control... That system has gone. I think so, without a | :17:37. | :17:41. | |
shadow of a doubt, and that is going to have a big impact on the | :17:42. | :17:46. | |
negotiations. And I think the most important single cabinet minister | :17:47. | :17:49. | |
now is David Davis... Mr Corbyn is just emerging... This is in north | :17:50. | :17:55. | |
London, of course, where Mr Corbyn lives. Just waving and looking, I | :17:56. | :18:07. | |
think it is fair to say, Andrew Marr, rather pleased with things, | :18:08. | :18:11. | |
although we must underline, they actually lost the election! They | :18:12. | :18:16. | |
did. All the way through, Jeremy Corbyn slightly undercooked the | :18:17. | :18:21. | |
triumphalist bit, and people like that, he comes across as quite | :18:22. | :18:25. | |
humble, slightly surprised that where he is and so far -- so forth, | :18:26. | :18:32. | |
that is part of what has gone so well in this election for him. I was | :18:33. | :18:36. | |
going to say, David Davis, as the Brexit minister, he is the one who | :18:37. | :18:41. | |
understands how far these negotiations have got, what the | :18:42. | :18:45. | |
Brexit department looks like, what the really difficult issues are. | :18:46. | :18:49. | |
From now on, it's going to be are really, really hard business of | :18:50. | :18:53. | |
party management, on the one hand in the House of Commons, while trying | :18:54. | :18:56. | |
to do these negotiations, on the other. It means every single time | :18:57. | :19:01. | |
the EU comes to the British side and says, we can give you this or that, | :19:02. | :19:05. | |
we have to ask ourselves, will the Conservative Party where it? I have | :19:06. | :19:12. | |
been covering elections since 1983. If there is one really predictable | :19:13. | :19:16. | |
headline, it is, Conservative Party at war over Europe. It has been the | :19:17. | :19:19. | |
case all the way through and it still is. Just something on the | :19:20. | :19:29. | |
logistics of this morning. So, Theresa May, if she agrees to stay | :19:30. | :19:32. | |
on as the Prime Minister, and you seem to be suggesting that that | :19:33. | :19:37. | |
would be the will within government, for however long that is, will there | :19:38. | :19:40. | |
be a visit to the Palace, all the kind of stuff we see normally on the | :19:41. | :19:45. | |
morning after an election, will that happen? Well, it is not certain one | :19:46. | :19:50. | |
way or the other. If I were Cabinet Secretary, I would be advising the | :19:51. | :19:53. | |
Prime Minister to go to the Palace and explain to the Queen the | :19:54. | :19:57. | |
situation and explain how she is going to manage at least the next | :19:58. | :20:01. | |
few days and the run-up to the Queen's Speech. Issue going to try | :20:02. | :20:08. | |
and go to the House? The key in our political system is, who has got the | :20:09. | :20:11. | |
confidence of the House of Commons? Who can get the Queen's Speech | :20:12. | :20:17. | |
through? I think she would be very well advised to go to the Palace and | :20:18. | :20:21. | |
explain tactics. And another quick thought, just on the planning - if | :20:22. | :20:27. | |
they are looking at some kind of agreement, not a formal coalition | :20:28. | :20:31. | |
but some kind of agreement, with, let's say, the Ulster Unionists, | :20:32. | :20:35. | |
would the senior civil servants be part of trying to set out some kind | :20:36. | :20:39. | |
of informal deal or not? Again, that is up to... So, when we did the | :20:40. | :20:46. | |
coalition, we facilitated the Conservatives and the Lib Dems | :20:47. | :20:49. | |
coming together, but in the end they decided to have their meetings in a | :20:50. | :20:53. | |
room with no civil servants there. . At this moment, do you not expect | :20:54. | :20:57. | |
there will be somebody inside Downing Street with the DUP | :20:58. | :21:02. | |
manifesto on the desk, going through it and saying, Arlene Foster said | :21:03. | :21:07. | |
this or, ...? I am fairly certain they already will have done that. | :21:08. | :21:10. | |
You know that the DUP is crucial. We have been here before as well. | :21:11. | :21:17. | |
Before, the text was the Cabinet manual, I think now, people will be | :21:18. | :21:22. | |
going back and watching the House, because this is more mid-1970s. | :21:23. | :21:29. | |
Let's pause for a moment. The story of the night is that the | :21:30. | :21:32. | |
Conservatives underperformed rather dramatically, but Labour made some | :21:33. | :21:36. | |
rather dramatic gains as well. Let's talk through some of those games | :21:37. | :21:40. | |
with Emily. Seeing those pictures of Jeremy Corbyn just a few moments | :21:41. | :21:43. | |
ago, I was reminded of one of the things we learned from the US | :21:44. | :21:46. | |
presidential election, which is sometimes, you have got to follow | :21:47. | :21:50. | |
the noise. All the noise on that campaign was with Donald Trump. I am | :21:51. | :21:55. | |
not making any comparisons, except to say that if you are at the way it | :21:56. | :22:00. | |
was going up to the last few weeks, the noise, the buzz, was definitely | :22:01. | :22:04. | |
with Jeremy Corbyn. And if you have woken up and wondering what happened | :22:05. | :22:07. | |
last night, I can show you how we have got to where we are, with some | :22:08. | :22:13. | |
of that noise which has translated into real and extraordinary gains. | :22:14. | :22:16. | |
The first one I am going to start with is Canterbury. This has been | :22:17. | :22:20. | |
Conservative since World War I. Julian Brazier has been the sitting | :22:21. | :22:30. | |
MP since 1987. They had a majority of nearly 10,000, and Labour has | :22:31. | :22:36. | |
gained it on a majority of just 187. It is an extraordinary thing for | :22:37. | :22:41. | |
them to take, it was number 104 on their target list. And another one, | :22:42. | :22:45. | |
this should ring bells for anyone who remembers 1997 and that Portillo | :22:46. | :22:50. | |
moment. I'm not drawing any comparisons with 1997, or between | :22:51. | :22:58. | |
Blair and Corbyn, except to say, Enfield Southgate is back on the | :22:59. | :23:02. | |
radar again. It was safe Conservative, it goes Labour often | :23:03. | :23:07. | |
in landslide kind of votes. It had a Conservative majority of nearly | :23:08. | :23:16. | |
5000. Now replaced by Labour. Stroud, also on the Labour target | :23:17. | :23:25. | |
list. Battersea, an area of London which is gentrifying, it has got | :23:26. | :23:29. | |
posh housing coming through, it should have been very easy Tory | :23:30. | :23:33. | |
hold, but Labour has outperformed itself even in London. The Treasury | :23:34. | :23:39. | |
Minister Jane Ellison loses out and Labour games to seek, a key | :23:40. | :23:50. | |
marginal. In Scotland, Rutherglen and Hamilton West has been taken | :23:51. | :23:57. | |
from the SNP. 9% swing towards Labour. Kirkcaldy, Gordon Brown's | :23:58. | :24:03. | |
old seat, another game for Labour from the SNP. Even bigger swing, | :24:04. | :24:13. | |
nearly 10%. Glasgow North East, this was an SNP gain from Labour in 2015, | :24:14. | :24:17. | |
this was the biggest swing of the election, 39%, and Labour has | :24:18. | :24:23. | |
overturned that this time round. 13% swing back to Labour. They have had | :24:24. | :24:28. | |
an astonishing night both in England and Scotland, with these sorts of | :24:29. | :24:34. | |
seats changing hands. Emily, taking us through some of the notable gains | :24:35. | :24:39. | |
mall there is a big story to talk about in Scotland, and we will be | :24:40. | :24:42. | |
looking at in the next minutes. Let's join Andrew Neil on the Green | :24:43. | :24:49. | |
with some guests. Thanks, it is a glorious day here in the heart of | :24:50. | :24:54. | |
Westminster. We are just across the road from the Palace of Westminster. | :24:55. | :24:59. | |
I am joined by John Redwood, the trend Tory backbencher, and Philip | :25:00. | :25:05. | |
the, a minister in the Ministry of Justice. John Redwood, what went | :25:06. | :25:09. | |
wrong? I think people look at what Mr Corbyn was saying, and they said, | :25:10. | :25:13. | |
we would like a bit more spent on public services, and the students | :25:14. | :25:17. | |
loved the idea of not having to pay student fees, although it was not | :25:18. | :25:19. | |
quite clear how the country was going to afford all of that. And so | :25:20. | :25:24. | |
we got this interesting answer, the country said, yes, they want a | :25:25. | :25:28. | |
Conservative government, they like Theresa May, because we are the | :25:29. | :25:32. | |
biggest party... They didn't! And we will have a fair majority in the new | :25:33. | :25:35. | |
House of Commons. The British people...! They also listened to | :25:36. | :25:41. | |
what Mr Corbyn has been saying, because they would like a bit more | :25:42. | :25:45. | |
spent on public services, and I'm sure that is something we will | :25:46. | :25:50. | |
review very carefully! Pretty disastrous decision, to have a | :25:51. | :25:53. | |
working majority, call an election and lose that working majority? I | :25:54. | :25:59. | |
was very supportive of Theresa May calling the election, she needed a | :26:00. | :26:02. | |
personal mandate, a mandate to do the Brexit deal. She didn't get it! | :26:03. | :26:08. | |
No, she didn't get it, and I would not be as up eight as John appears | :26:09. | :26:12. | |
to be. Nobody has hosted this election. I think what is clear is | :26:13. | :26:16. | |
that we have a number of seats to form a government, we WILL form this | :26:17. | :26:21. | |
next government, in combination probably with the DUP, I am | :26:22. | :26:25. | |
guessing. But we shouldn't say, continue as we've been doing. The | :26:26. | :26:31. | |
idea that we shouldn't change our approach, off the back of this | :26:32. | :26:34. | |
result, I think is ludicrous. What would you change? I think I would | :26:35. | :26:41. | |
change, I think there is a very tight team, I think it needs a | :26:42. | :26:45. | |
broader base. It is difficult to interpret the results, but I was in | :26:46. | :26:51. | |
a seat which voted Remain in 2015, the seat itself was probably | :26:52. | :26:54. | |
narrowly Brexit, the results I was getting on the doorstep was very | :26:55. | :26:58. | |
large numbers of unhappy Conservative Remain photos. And in | :26:59. | :27:04. | |
addition to that, there were lots of young people, in groups, turning up | :27:05. | :27:07. | |
at polling stations in my patch, and the Labour vote has almost doubled. | :27:08. | :27:12. | |
I cannot in all honesty say that we should just continue along the same | :27:13. | :27:16. | |
path. But I can say that Theresa May should remain Prime Minister for how | :27:17. | :27:22. | |
long? I not going to put a time on it. As John has said, there is | :27:23. | :27:27. | |
clearly a difference in the number of seats the Conservative Party have | :27:28. | :27:33. | |
won, compared to the Labour Party. But she is holed below the water | :27:34. | :27:40. | |
line! By what standard could what she has done be regarded as a wise | :27:41. | :27:44. | |
decision? This has not been a good result for us, that is pretty | :27:45. | :27:49. | |
obvious. Why DID you get this outcome, what went wrong? I have | :27:50. | :27:53. | |
just tried to explain that. I think there is clearly an aspect of the | :27:54. | :27:57. | |
youth vote, I saw that myself on the ground. And in part I suspect that | :27:58. | :28:02. | |
is to do with the tuition fees policy of the Labour Party. But you | :28:03. | :28:07. | |
only have to look at the result in Battersea, in Putney, and indeed in | :28:08. | :28:11. | |
my own part of the world, we have lost a fantastic colleague in | :28:12. | :28:14. | |
Reading East, Reading East posted strongly to remain. If you want to | :28:15. | :28:22. | |
look at a result which indicates what went wrong, look at that result | :28:23. | :28:29. | |
in Reading. This is me said she needed a mandate for the two begin | :28:30. | :28:33. | |
negotiations - she hasn't got a result for the Brexit negotiations, | :28:34. | :28:38. | |
so where does that leave her? I think this is also about spending | :28:39. | :28:41. | |
and the attitude towards the public services. If people had thought the | :28:42. | :28:45. | |
main thing they wanted to do was to reverse the referendum, they would | :28:46. | :28:50. | |
have voted Lib Dem in droves. That was a very clear, straightforward | :28:51. | :28:53. | |
proposition, let's have a second referendum, let's stay in the single | :28:54. | :28:58. | |
market. But she wanted a mandate?! They were both running on more less | :28:59. | :29:01. | |
the same proposition, that you accept the verdict of the | :29:02. | :29:04. | |
referendum, and you know that means you leave the single market but you | :29:05. | :29:08. | |
want the best possible free-trade access. So I think, because of the | :29:09. | :29:14. | |
combined Conservative and Labour vote, there is a very, very strong | :29:15. | :29:17. | |
national mandate to get on with delivering what the public voted | :29:18. | :29:21. | |
for, and to have that best possible solution. Let's not rewrite history. | :29:22. | :29:27. | |
Let's just remind ourselves come this election was called because Mrs | :29:28. | :29:33. | |
May wanted a Brexit mandate to go into the negotiations. Instead of a | :29:34. | :29:38. | |
Brexit mandate, she lost her majority to go where is the | :29:39. | :29:44. | |
mandate?! I am just explaining, Andrew, yes, she wanted to get out | :29:45. | :29:49. | |
big overall majority, but Brexit mandate lies in the fact that the | :29:50. | :29:54. | |
main parties went around the country saying, we can't stand Brexit, we | :29:55. | :29:59. | |
need a second vote, were roundly defeated, and the people voted for | :30:00. | :30:02. | |
the two parties who both said the same thing - accept the Brexit | :30:03. | :30:06. | |
verdict and get the best possible deal and remember that we are not | :30:07. | :30:09. | |
leaving Europe, we are just leaving the EU. That was a very clear | :30:10. | :30:13. | |
proposition which the British people signed up to. And in Scotland, they | :30:14. | :30:19. | |
clearly rejected a second referendum on Scottish independence. It is a | :30:20. | :30:22. | |
sign of how bad the campaign has been for you that you did better in | :30:23. | :30:25. | |
Scotland and England, when did you think you would say that?! This I | :30:26. | :30:29. | |
would say to you is a disastrous personal result for Mrs May. She | :30:30. | :30:33. | |
began this campaign very popular, but the moment people got to know | :30:34. | :30:36. | |
her and see her, they didn't rate her any more and her ratings | :30:37. | :30:40. | |
collapsed and her party's ratings collapsed, so her job must surely be | :30:41. | :30:42. | |
on the line? No. It has been a tough campaign. | :30:43. | :30:54. | |
But she secured 43% of the vote, and that has not happened since 2001. | :30:55. | :30:59. | |
Between the two, the country has decided Theresa May should be the | :31:00. | :31:04. | |
Prime Minister, not Jeremy Corbyn. The country's decision is we are not | :31:05. | :31:10. | |
sure. I'm not sure there has been a clear decision about what the | :31:11. | :31:13. | |
country wants in terms of policy, but I think you can conclude that | :31:14. | :31:17. | |
once I'd got more votes than the other, so therefore the Prime | :31:18. | :31:23. | |
Minister should stay put. -- that once I'd got more than the other. -- | :31:24. | :31:29. | |
one side got more than the other. It is not about whether we Brexit or | :31:30. | :31:34. | |
not. It is about the type of Brexit. The clarity is not there. The Labour | :31:35. | :31:41. | |
position is different from our position, different from the Liberal | :31:42. | :31:44. | |
Democrat position, different from the SNP. Everybody is different. To | :31:45. | :31:48. | |
sit here and claim that you know what the British public wants from | :31:49. | :31:59. | |
the Brexit deal is nonsense. Do I think Theresa May remains Prime | :32:00. | :32:04. | |
Minister? Most certainly I do. But I recognise that in view of this | :32:05. | :32:07. | |
result, we can't maintain the same approach. We can't just stay the | :32:08. | :32:11. | |
same, otherwise what was the result all about? She will only stay by | :32:12. | :32:15. | |
Minister if she can put together some sort of coalition, a deal with | :32:16. | :32:22. | |
the DUP, in other words we might have a coalition of chaos under the | :32:23. | :32:27. | |
Conservatives. Absolutely no way. It sounds as if she will have enough | :32:28. | :32:30. | |
votes to govern without having a formal coalition with anybody. She | :32:31. | :32:34. | |
will have to have arrangements in place. Why? Otherwise she will be a | :32:35. | :32:45. | |
minority government. If you take out the seven Sinn Fein members who | :32:46. | :32:48. | |
don't come to Parliament, the Speaker and so on, she will have | :32:49. | :32:52. | |
enough votes to remain as Prime Minister and have considerably more | :32:53. | :32:55. | |
seats than the Labour Party. It's going to be a busy day in | :32:56. | :32:59. | |
Westminster. The Conservatives trying to come to grips with a | :33:00. | :33:01. | |
result they never expected. Thank you, Andrew. While he was | :33:02. | :33:11. | |
talking to his guests at the Palace of Westminster, the latest word from | :33:12. | :33:18. | |
Downing Street, Jo? Laura Kuenssberg, our political editor, | :33:19. | :33:21. | |
says the timing of has no intention of resigning. Working on forming a | :33:22. | :33:25. | |
government being the largest party in seats and votes. That is the | :33:26. | :33:32. | |
latest word. Official in that sense. We can explore what is underneath | :33:33. | :33:36. | |
that statement, but that is from Downing Street and it's the latest. | :33:37. | :33:41. | |
We will discuss that with Gus and Andy in a moment. It is 7.30, a | :33:42. | :33:45. | |
quick update of the news. Theresa May's decision | :33:46. | :33:50. | |
to call a snap election has backfired as the UK wakes up | :33:51. | :33:52. | |
to a hung parliament. Some pollsters had predicted at the | :33:53. | :34:04. | |
start of the campaign that Mrs May would win a landslide for the | :34:05. | :34:08. | |
Conservatives. Instead they have lost their majority. | :34:09. | :34:10. | |
They will head back to Westminster as the largest party but with 12 | :34:11. | :34:13. | |
Speaking as she was re-elected to her seat in Maidenhead, | :34:14. | :34:18. | |
the Prime Minister said the country needed stability. | :34:19. | :34:22. | |
As we look ahead, and we wait to see what the final results will be, | :34:23. | :34:26. | |
I know that, as I say, the country needs | :34:27. | :34:29. | |
a period of stability, and whatever the results are, | :34:30. | :34:33. | |
the Conservative Party will ensure that we fulfil our duty | :34:34. | :34:38. | |
in ensuring that stability, so that we can all, as one country, | :34:39. | :34:42. | |
Labour have done better than expected, gaining around 30 seats. | :34:43. | :34:50. | |
The party now have 261 seats overall. | :34:51. | :34:59. | |
In Islington North, the leader Jeremy Corbyn held his seat | :35:00. | :35:01. | |
He's calling on Theresa May to resign. | :35:02. | :35:09. | |
If there is a message from tonight's result, it's this. The Prime | :35:10. | :35:15. | |
Minister called the election because she wanted a mandate. Well, the | :35:16. | :35:21. | |
mandate she's got is last Conservative seats, lost votes, lost | :35:22. | :35:24. | |
support and lost confidence. I would have thought that's enough to go, | :35:25. | :35:29. | |
actually, and make way for a government that will be truly | :35:30. | :35:34. | |
representative of all of the people of this country. | :35:35. | :35:38. | |
One major political figure to lose his seat was Nick Clegg. | :35:39. | :35:40. | |
The former Liberal Democrat leader and Deputy Prime Minister | :35:41. | :35:42. | |
lost his Sheffield Hallam seat to Labour. | :35:43. | :35:45. | |
Elsewhere, the Lib Dems made gains, former minsters Vince Cable | :35:46. | :35:47. | |
and Jo Swinson have both taken back the seats they lost in 2015. | :35:48. | :35:50. | |
The party's leader Tim Farron held onto his seat | :35:51. | :35:53. | |
The Scottish National Party has endured a series of shock defeats, | :35:54. | :36:03. | |
including the loss of its former First Minister Alex Salmond | :36:04. | :36:07. | |
They both their seats amid a Scottish Conservative surge. | :36:08. | :36:12. | |
The party's best performance in Scotland since 1983. | :36:13. | :36:17. | |
First Minister Nicola Sturgeon said that the losses were a blow | :36:18. | :36:21. | |
to her and the SNP, indicating she had some reflecting to do on key | :36:22. | :36:25. | |
In Northern Ireland, both the SDLP and the Ulster Unionist | :36:26. | :36:33. | |
It was a successful night for the largest parties. | :36:34. | :36:40. | |
The Democratic Unionist Party won ten seats and Sinn | :36:41. | :36:43. | |
Fein won seven seats but will continue to abstain | :36:44. | :36:45. | |
The result could see the DUP play a key role in any potential | :36:46. | :36:51. | |
coalition negotiations with the Conservative Party. | :36:52. | :36:54. | |
In Wales, the Labour Party had a strong night taking back a number | :36:55. | :36:57. | |
The results represent a blow to the Tory party, who had hoped | :36:58. | :37:04. | |
Plaid Cymru won four seats, and the Liberal Democrats | :37:05. | :37:09. | |
Meanwhile, Ukip have failed to win any seats in Parliament. | :37:10. | :37:18. | |
Their share of the vote collapsed across Britain, | :37:19. | :37:21. | |
and their leader Paul Nuttall came third in Boston and Skegness. | :37:22. | :37:27. | |
Traders in the City of London are bracing | :37:28. | :37:29. | |
themselves for a volatile day following the election result. | :37:30. | :37:32. | |
The pound has suffered one of its biggest falls since January | :37:33. | :37:36. | |
trading down by almost 2% against the dollar. | :37:37. | :37:40. | |
The stock market is due to open at 8am with shares expected to rise | :37:41. | :37:44. | |
This morning the EU's budget commissioner said the hung | :37:45. | :37:47. | |
parliament could delay Brexit talks which are scheduled | :37:48. | :37:50. | |
Theresa May is now back in Downing Street. | :37:51. | :37:57. | |
The Prime Minister travelled from her Berkshire constituency | :37:58. | :38:00. | |
to Conservative central office in the early hours. | :38:01. | :38:04. | |
She's said to have met with advisors for an hour there before | :38:05. | :38:08. | |
The BBC political editor told us in the last few minutes that Downing | :38:09. | :38:17. | |
Street said the Prime Minister has no intention of resigning. | :38:18. | :38:21. | |
Time now to hand back to Huw Edwards, for more | :38:22. | :38:25. | |
Good morning once again. Coming up to 7.40 in the morning, we are at | :38:26. | :38:43. | |
the BBC Election Centre. Get me tell you what we are intending to do in | :38:44. | :38:48. | |
the next 20 minutes. The latest from Downing Street, talking about | :38:49. | :38:51. | |
Theresa May's future. Joining me in the studio, Gus O'Donnell, the | :38:52. | :38:57. | |
former Cabinet Secretary. Jo Coburn, and the BBC's Andrew Marr. We will | :38:58. | :39:01. | |
be picking up on those trends. Thinking about the shape of this | :39:02. | :39:06. | |
government and what it might be. And whether Theresa May will continue to | :39:07. | :39:11. | |
be at the head of it. We will be talking too about the future of the | :39:12. | :39:15. | |
Brexit process, because the European Union are hinting that the Brexit | :39:16. | :39:20. | |
talks could well be delayed. Some very big things to consider. Let's | :39:21. | :39:23. | |
think about how we got here and the nature of the swing that produced | :39:24. | :39:28. | |
this, to put it mildly, unexpected result. Jeremy. | :39:29. | :39:34. | |
Through the face of Big Ben, and I am here, in front of the | :39:35. | :39:43. | |
swingometer. Let's have a look at the swing between the Conservatives | :39:44. | :39:47. | |
and Labour. You know how the swingometer works. If the parties | :39:48. | :39:51. | |
stay as they were last time, the swing is zero, and no seats change | :39:52. | :39:58. | |
hands. The blue dots are Conservative seats, the red dots are | :39:59. | :40:02. | |
Labour seats. Let's see the swing on average across the UK. It is a swing | :40:03. | :40:08. | |
into Conservative territory of about 2%. If it was applied uniformly, in | :40:09. | :40:15. | |
other words the same swing in every seat, these seats would go red from | :40:16. | :40:22. | |
blue. Labour would take them. But swing is not ever applied uniformly. | :40:23. | :40:28. | |
Let's watch what actually happened. Labour outperformed their swing by | :40:29. | :40:32. | |
going beyond the hand of the swingometer and taking some of the | :40:33. | :40:35. | |
Conservative seats that you might think they had no right to take. | :40:36. | :40:42. | |
Right at the top, almost off the swingometer, that dudet is | :40:43. | :40:49. | |
Canterbury, they took that. 8%, Battersea and Portsmouth 's out. -- | :40:50. | :40:56. | |
Portsmouth South. It is young voters, voting for the first time, | :40:57. | :41:02. | |
coming out for Labour. The swing was not representative of Labour's | :41:03. | :41:04. | |
performance in some seats where they needed to win and they took them off | :41:05. | :41:10. | |
the Conservatives by turbo-charging their vote. There was a great offset | :41:11. | :41:15. | |
for the Conservatives, and it was in Scotland. Let's have a look at the | :41:16. | :41:20. | |
swing in Scotland and what has happened to the SNP in particular. | :41:21. | :41:25. | |
SNP seats on this side. Only one Conservative seat in Scotland, | :41:26. | :41:30. | |
pretty marginal. Any swing against the SNP starts to turn those yellow | :41:31. | :41:36. | |
seats blue. What was the swing in Scotland? It's remarkable. | :41:37. | :41:42. | |
Conservative SNP swing, it's a swing against the SNP of nearly 15%. If it | :41:43. | :41:48. | |
was applied uniformly in every seat, all of these seats would go blue | :41:49. | :41:52. | |
from yellow. That does not happen for the reasons I explained. The | :41:53. | :41:58. | |
actual result is 12 gains, not 15, partly because the SNP vote was | :41:59. | :42:03. | |
weakened in some seats by the Conservatives and then Labour took | :42:04. | :42:09. | |
the seat. The SNP hung on in some seats, but 12 for the Conservatives | :42:10. | :42:13. | |
in Scotland, plus the one they already had. Quite remarkable. These | :42:14. | :42:18. | |
blocks show the story of what happened in Scotland. You would not | :42:19. | :42:22. | |
call it a collapse in the SNP vote, because plenty of people still | :42:23. | :42:26. | |
voting SNP, but you don't often see a precipitous hole like that of 13%, | :42:27. | :42:31. | |
and most of that went to the Conservatives. Ruth Davidson, the | :42:32. | :42:37. | |
leader of the Scottish Conservatives, offsetting in some | :42:38. | :42:44. | |
degree for Mrs May. In Scotland, the surprise has been on the | :42:45. | :42:49. | |
Conservative side. The SNP down 13%, the Conservatives up 14, and modest | :42:50. | :42:54. | |
rises for Labour and the Lib Dems. Although they have been rather well | :42:55. | :42:57. | |
targeted and have won them some seats as well. The swingometer tells | :42:58. | :43:03. | |
a story of a bit of uplift for the Conservatives in Scotland. I said | :43:04. | :43:09. | |
earlier on that the story in Scotland is one that tells a very | :43:10. | :43:13. | |
different story to the one in England, certainly parts of England. | :43:14. | :43:20. | |
Andy, your take. Ruth Davidson, a very good election for her. Had she | :43:21. | :43:26. | |
tried to win a seat in Westminster, she would be a crucial and pivotal | :43:27. | :43:30. | |
figure in the Tory negotiations, discussion of what would happen | :43:31. | :43:34. | |
next. She has been very important to Theresa May and in close touch with | :43:35. | :43:39. | |
Number Ten all the way through, but unlike Theresa May has been a big | :43:40. | :43:43. | |
net vote winner in Scotland. A big personal triumph. But we should not | :43:44. | :43:47. | |
forget the Labour Party, everyone was writing them off in Scotland, it | :43:48. | :43:52. | |
was dead, over for ever. Not at all, it has come | :43:53. | :44:05. | |
back in a big way. The SNP has lost in all directions. The Highlands, | :44:06. | :44:10. | |
for the Lib Dems as well. It is all about momentum. It makes it much | :44:11. | :44:12. | |
less likely that we will see another Scottish independence referendum any | :44:13. | :44:15. | |
time soon, and that is big news for the country. And your thoughts on | :44:16. | :44:17. | |
Nicola Sturgeon's position, given this result? There will be sniping | :44:18. | :44:21. | |
against her, but she remains the most powerful person in the SNP, | :44:22. | :44:25. | |
particularly with Alex Salmond and Angus Robertson losing seats. People | :44:26. | :44:33. | |
will feel she should not have overemphasised the second referendum | :44:34. | :44:38. | |
in the way she did, but she is in a strong position and will remain | :44:39. | :44:42. | |
leader of the SNP and Scotland's First Minister for a while to come. | :44:43. | :44:46. | |
That's talk about Wales, the Conservative performance there was | :44:47. | :44:50. | |
not as robust as some people predicted. Labour's performance in | :44:51. | :44:54. | |
Wales was far better than many predicted. We are going to talk to | :44:55. | :45:01. | |
the First Minister Carwyn Jones. Your take on the night's events. We | :45:02. | :45:07. | |
outperformed our own expectations. We were told the Tories would make | :45:08. | :45:13. | |
gains in Wales, they lost seats. 28 seats, we are by far the biggest | :45:14. | :45:18. | |
party and we can say Welsh Labour speaks for Wales. Hugely important | :45:19. | :45:21. | |
that our mandate in Wales is respected. When you are in | :45:22. | :45:27. | |
government, as we are in Wales, you have a record to defend. We gained | :45:28. | :45:32. | |
more seats in Wales. To what extent was the performance dependent on the | :45:33. | :45:39. | |
leadership Jeremy Corbyn provided? There was a strong element. Jeremy | :45:40. | :45:43. | |
was energetic, going around the UK and talking to people. In Wales, we | :45:44. | :45:49. | |
ran our campaign, I did the leaders' debates, the Welsh Conservatives | :45:50. | :45:51. | |
could not put up the same person for more than one of those debates. We | :45:52. | :45:56. | |
knew we had a mountain to climb a few weeks ago when we saw the polls. | :45:57. | :46:01. | |
We worked hard and today we have a result that is better than we | :46:02. | :46:05. | |
expected. We also had a manifesto that appealed to people, a Welsh | :46:06. | :46:09. | |
manifesto particularly that people were attracted to. | :46:10. | :46:17. | |
I think it is fair to say that in the past, you have not been | :46:18. | :46:22. | |
enthusiastic about Mr Corbyn's leadership, but you're acknowledging | :46:23. | :46:26. | |
today that he has fought a superb campaign, I think that was your | :46:27. | :46:31. | |
word? Yes. If you look at Theresa May's campaign, it is the arrogance, | :46:32. | :46:37. | |
that they don't get, the entitlement to be in government. She built the | :46:38. | :46:41. | |
campaign entirely around her, her 25 point lead, and ends up with a | :46:42. | :46:46. | |
two-point lead. Somebody builds a campaign around themselves, and that | :46:47. | :46:51. | |
campaign falters so Bodley, as we've seen, then it is difficult to see | :46:52. | :46:54. | |
how they can carry on in the future. First Minister, thank you for | :46:55. | :47:01. | |
joining us. Let's not all of this into the context of what is coming | :47:02. | :47:07. | |
up. Just thinking about it this morning, when we were talking about | :47:08. | :47:11. | |
Laura Kuenssberg giving us the latest word from Downing Street, the | :47:12. | :47:15. | |
Prime Minister has no intention of resigning, working to form a | :47:16. | :47:17. | |
government based on being the largest party in seats and votes - | :47:18. | :47:23. | |
would we be assuming too much to think that the Prime Minister's | :47:24. | :47:28. | |
personal instinct would be to walk away from that, but there will be | :47:29. | :47:31. | |
enormous pressure for her to stay? I think, given what you just heard, | :47:32. | :47:35. | |
this was such a personal campaign, and you saw what David Cameron did | :47:36. | :47:41. | |
after the Brexit referendum. His instinct was just to go home within | :47:42. | :47:46. | |
hours, and he did it. I think part of her instinct would have been the | :47:47. | :47:52. | |
same. But it is her duties, and I think she realises that it is her | :47:53. | :47:56. | |
duty to stay. If she left, we would have no Prime Minister, it is | :47:57. | :48:00. | |
complete chaos. It is important that she stays, that we see through the | :48:01. | :48:05. | |
next period, and it is important that the Conservative Party sorts | :48:06. | :48:08. | |
out where it wants to go. I'm just wondering, where it wants to go, | :48:09. | :48:12. | |
particularly in terms of Brexit? Yes. If it is true, as we are | :48:13. | :48:19. | |
hearing, that the European Union is suggesting today that the process | :48:20. | :48:23. | |
could be lengthened in some way or adjusted, what does that tell us? I | :48:24. | :48:28. | |
think it tells us, from their side, they're saying, so come what is your | :48:29. | :48:31. | |
position, who has got the power? It is a bit like, Theresa May would not | :48:32. | :48:36. | |
have wanted to go and speak to President Hollande when he was on | :48:37. | :48:40. | |
his way out, she would have wanted to wait until we had a new president | :48:41. | :48:43. | |
in France. Similarly in Germany, with a new election coming up. | :48:44. | :48:47. | |
Actually, the really big stuff happens after the German election. | :48:48. | :48:52. | |
So I think we can manage a process where we have a lot of talks, we | :48:53. | :48:56. | |
will talk about process, about money and about some big issues, but we | :48:57. | :49:01. | |
won't come to any decisions. That doesn't mean you have to push the | :49:02. | :49:05. | |
final date back, because if you do that, then you get into this mess, | :49:06. | :49:09. | |
what are we going to do about European Parliamentary elections in | :49:10. | :49:12. | |
the spring of 2019? I don't think anybody wants to go there. Nick | :49:13. | :49:17. | |
Clegg has just said that it is impossible to overestimate the | :49:18. | :49:22. | |
extent to which the UK is now seen as a drifting rudderless country by | :49:23. | :49:25. | |
the rest of the EU countries. And that I think will be the prevailing | :49:26. | :49:28. | |
wind. We have a tweet from Chris Hope in the Daily Telegraph who | :49:29. | :49:34. | |
said, an official in the EU has said that those Brexit talks could be | :49:35. | :49:39. | |
delayed. Whether or not that is true, it is the fact that it is | :49:40. | :49:44. | |
being discussed, and they might view Theresa May has a bit of a lame | :49:45. | :49:49. | |
duck. If they think that, then they don't know who to talk to. It is not | :49:50. | :49:55. | |
good for Britain. Many people watching will be asking themselves, | :49:56. | :49:59. | |
does this mean we don't have to do Brexit after all, can we reverse it? | :50:00. | :50:04. | |
Because this decision could be seen as the end of the moral authority to | :50:05. | :50:08. | |
the Brexit referendum. What I would say to that is, there is no | :50:09. | :50:14. | |
political leader in Britain with the kind of Commons authority to hit the | :50:15. | :50:18. | |
stop button on Brexit. That is most unlikely, I would think. We are | :50:19. | :50:23. | |
going to stumble on with it, in a moreft attic and less good for us | :50:24. | :50:27. | |
kind of way. But in a way which might be more open to compromise | :50:28. | :50:30. | |
than some of the noises we have heard so far from the Tory party? | :50:31. | :50:34. | |
Compromise on the single market, and from eyes on the soft border, was | :50:35. | :50:39. | |
ugly even over the control of immigration, if the DUP have | :50:40. | :50:42. | |
anything to do with it - and they will. And we will see the Tory party | :50:43. | :50:47. | |
going toward day after day, the hard and soft Brexiteers, so-called, that | :50:48. | :50:55. | |
is what we are going to see. And Ruth Davidson, Theresa May owes her | :50:56. | :51:01. | |
big-time in terms of the campaign in Scotland. And on the DUP side, that | :51:02. | :51:06. | |
issue of the border, to give Theresa May her due, she was not advocating | :51:07. | :51:11. | |
any hard border, but the DUP will want to press hard to say, we have | :51:12. | :51:17. | |
to guarantee that border. It is going to be exciting, in a rather | :51:18. | :51:22. | |
grim way, for a very long time! Just a little element of surprise for us, | :51:23. | :51:26. | |
because let me bring you up to date with what's going on in the royal | :51:27. | :51:33. | |
borough of Kensington and Chelsea. They have now sent the tellers home, | :51:34. | :51:41. | |
because they're too tired! We might yet the result later this afternoon, | :51:42. | :51:46. | |
maybe even tomorrow. Andy, we have to pinch ourselves! I have never | :51:47. | :51:50. | |
heard that before. Night has been full of extraordinary, unpredictable | :51:51. | :51:56. | |
events, but I have never heard of tellers getting sent home because | :51:57. | :52:01. | |
they're too tired to keep counting! There have been plenty of examples | :52:02. | :52:04. | |
of seats which have been on a knife edge, and in places where you might | :52:05. | :52:07. | |
not expect it. We had the obvious one in Richmond Park, but that has | :52:08. | :52:13. | |
been repeated across the country in seats, where because the two parties | :52:14. | :52:16. | |
are now dominating, Labour and the Tories, we have not seen vote shares | :52:17. | :52:22. | |
like that for lunar years, decades, in terms of the Conservatives, and | :52:23. | :52:28. | |
that's why you're seeing the two coming right up against each other. | :52:29. | :52:32. | |
We have another result in, and once again this is a very, very narrow | :52:33. | :52:37. | |
majority. This is from St Ives, and the Conservatives have held on to St | :52:38. | :52:46. | |
Ives, and just look at the margin, a majority of 312 on a turnout of 76%, | :52:47. | :53:00. | |
very high turnout. 43% apiece for the Conservatives and the Lib Dems. | :53:01. | :53:08. | |
The Liberal Democrats were looking to take back seats in the | :53:09. | :53:11. | |
south-west, the problem for them was running on a very anti-Brexit | :53:12. | :53:16. | |
campaign was difficult in some areas which turned out to be Leave. But | :53:17. | :53:21. | |
here is an example where they did not win but they did come close. The | :53:22. | :53:24. | |
other thing we have not talked about yet is austerity, and how much of | :53:25. | :53:28. | |
this was, was it the economy, stupid? We have spoken about Brexit, | :53:29. | :53:37. | |
because does negate since -- because those negotiations are starting in | :53:38. | :53:40. | |
11 days' time. But a lot of this campaign was about public services, | :53:41. | :53:44. | |
and Jeremy Corbyn's campaign caught the imagination, and a lot of these | :53:45. | :53:47. | |
seats will have voted along those lines. Andrew Marr has been | :53:48. | :53:53. | |
underlining for us the importance of what has been happening in Scotland, | :53:54. | :53:56. | |
and Emily can bring us up to date with that and bring us up to date | :53:57. | :53:59. | |
with what has gone on. I want to start with the scoreboard, because | :54:00. | :54:03. | |
this gives you a sense of what has happened overnight. The SNP have | :54:04. | :54:09. | |
made net losses of 21 seats. The Conservatives have gained 12, some | :54:10. | :54:15. | |
of those on gigantic swings. Labour have made gains of six, also with | :54:16. | :54:20. | |
some pretty hefty swings. And the Lib Dems have had their best night | :54:21. | :54:25. | |
in Scotland, adding three. But if we show you the share of the vote, you | :54:26. | :54:29. | |
might have heard in the middle of the night Nicola Sturgeon come on | :54:30. | :54:34. | |
and says she still felt that the SNP were the winning party - they are, | :54:35. | :54:38. | |
on seats - and that they have done seven all the other parties put | :54:39. | :54:44. | |
together. If you start to add up the scores of the auntie independence | :54:45. | :54:46. | |
parties, you can see that they will be in the majority. They will have a | :54:47. | :54:51. | |
far larger share of the vote than the SNP, which tends to suggest that | :54:52. | :54:56. | |
there has been some kind of concerted vote against a second | :54:57. | :55:02. | |
Scottish referendum. -- anti-independence. Let me go into | :55:03. | :55:05. | |
some of those extraordinary gains and losses overnight. This is where | :55:06. | :55:09. | |
the big beast of the SNP, Alex Salmond, lost his seat. And this is | :55:10. | :55:19. | |
a tremendous swing, 20%. Last time around we saw swings in Scotland | :55:20. | :55:24. | |
which had outshone any other British election in history, nearly 40% of. | :55:25. | :55:28. | |
Not quite as big this time, but pretty hefty nonetheless. We saw | :55:29. | :55:37. | |
Angus Robertson, the leader of the SNP in Westminster, losing his seat | :55:38. | :55:43. | |
as well. Dumbarton east has been a gain for the Lib Dems. Jo Swinson is | :55:44. | :55:49. | |
back, the Business Minister for the Lib Dems, she has taken this one. | :55:50. | :55:53. | |
Edinburgh West, a tricky one, Michelle Thomson was suspended over | :55:54. | :55:57. | |
allegations of mortgage fraud, leaving Christine Jardine to pick up | :55:58. | :56:05. | |
his seat for the Lib Dems. And let me just show you this last one | :56:06. | :56:09. | |
before we hand back. Fife North East has been retained by the SNP, but | :56:10. | :56:14. | |
look how slim that majority is, a majority of two votes! Wow! That's | :56:15. | :56:23. | |
quite remarkable figure! What I want to do now is to have a look at these | :56:24. | :56:27. | |
images in central London, because this was Jeremy Corbyn arriving at | :56:28. | :56:30. | |
Labour headquarters just a while ago. A real sense, although they | :56:31. | :56:35. | |
have not won the election, that this was very much a personal victory for | :56:36. | :56:40. | |
his campaign. Well, it is. As you say, they have not won, they're many | :56:41. | :56:45. | |
seats short of being the largest party, but remember what the | :56:46. | :56:49. | |
expectations were and the predictions. And actually even | :56:50. | :56:51. | |
within the Labour Party itself, there were many Labour MPs and | :56:52. | :56:55. | |
candidates in this election felt that Jeremy Corbyn's leadership | :56:56. | :57:01. | |
would mean that they would lose seats, and of course that hasn't | :57:02. | :57:07. | |
happened. I think we can show you, from my colleague Vicki Young, | :57:08. | :57:12. | |
Labour insiders saying this is a victory for him. What it means is | :57:13. | :57:18. | |
that he's staying, he's not going anywhere. Any talk that he might be | :57:19. | :57:22. | |
unseated as leader of the Labour Party, that, obviously, has been put | :57:23. | :57:31. | |
aside. I've someone saying, if he exceeded Ed Miliband's vote share... | :57:32. | :57:35. | |
Well, he has probably done that and more. He has eaten the amount that | :57:36. | :57:45. | |
Tony Blair got in 2005 when he won. It just shows you that we have moved | :57:46. | :57:51. | |
back to two-party politics. It means that the coalition is off the cards. | :57:52. | :57:56. | |
Last time, in 2010, the Lib Dems were quite big so you could offer | :57:57. | :58:00. | |
them things like Deputy Prime Minister. This time, that is just | :58:01. | :58:05. | |
not there, they're too small. That is why we are in minority | :58:06. | :58:09. | |
government, will not be a coalition. Just picking up on Jo Coburn's | :58:10. | :58:16. | |
point, about austerity, it was a very big part of this. We had a | :58:17. | :58:24. | |
Conservative MP with Andrew Neil, saying, we have to rethink things. | :58:25. | :58:28. | |
An early indication of that, if you look at the DUP manifesto, which of | :58:29. | :58:34. | |
course we are now all experts in, it is talking about the triple lock on | :58:35. | :58:38. | |
pensions, that is an example of the kind of bread-and-butter politics | :58:39. | :58:41. | |
which may change as a result of this election. We are joined by newly | :58:42. | :58:48. | |
elected MP Jo Swinson, many congratulations and thanks for | :58:49. | :58:50. | |
joining us - was it bread-and-butter issues there, as Andrew Marr was | :58:51. | :58:55. | |
talking about? Well, north of the border, the biggest issue was | :58:56. | :59:04. | |
IndyRef2. There was a lot of anger at the SNP for trying to force this | :59:05. | :59:08. | |
on the Scottish population again, less than three years after we had a | :59:09. | :59:12. | |
very divisive independence referendum in Scotland, the wounds | :59:13. | :59:14. | |
of which still haven't really healed, there are still family and | :59:15. | :59:18. | |
friends who are not even necessarily talking to each other as a result of | :59:19. | :59:22. | |
the divisions which were opened up during that time. I think there | :59:23. | :59:25. | |
really was an appetite in Scotland not to go through that again. People | :59:26. | :59:28. | |
were looking for the best way to make sure that we didn't have that. | :59:29. | :59:35. | |
Also there was something about 56 out of 59 seats in Scotland all | :59:36. | :59:41. | |
being held by one party, when actually there is a much more varied | :59:42. | :59:46. | |
array of views across Scotland. There was a really strong feeling | :59:47. | :59:49. | |
from people that they did not necessarily just want to have the | :59:50. | :59:54. | |
SNP everywhere and obviously, in places like is Dumbarton chip, the | :59:55. | :59:57. | |
Lib Dems pick up a seat, and also in Edinburgh and Caithness, just so | :59:58. | :00:00. | |
close in Fife North East, after several recounts. But three strong | :00:01. | :00:06. | |
gains for the Lib Dems in Scotland which is really good for us. When | :00:07. | :00:12. | |
you look at the picture in Westminster, Nick Clegg, the former | :00:13. | :00:14. | |
leader, saying today, there is no way forward in terms of a government | :00:15. | :00:19. | |
which does not involve a great deal of turmoil - what is your thought on | :00:20. | :00:21. | |
that? I think he is right. He will be | :00:22. | :00:30. | |
missed in the Commons as someone with a huge amount of wisdom, | :00:31. | :00:34. | |
especially as the Brexit negotiations get under way. There is | :00:35. | :00:37. | |
no doubt there will be a lot of turmoil. You have a Conservative | :00:38. | :00:41. | |
Party where Theresa May had expected to take it for granted and get a | :00:42. | :00:46. | |
landslide, and of course that has blown up in her face. She is very | :00:47. | :00:50. | |
much a diminished figure in her own party, not necessarily with the | :00:51. | :00:54. | |
credibility and authority she had before this election campaign. The | :00:55. | :01:02. | |
disastrous images of her running away from debating the issues. You | :01:03. | :01:04. | |
are going to have a government that does have to listen much more to | :01:05. | :01:07. | |
Parliament. That is one positive to come out of this, but there are | :01:08. | :01:12. | |
difficult waters ahead because negotiating Brexit is an incredibly | :01:13. | :01:15. | |
difficult thing for a government to do. All different elements to | :01:16. | :01:20. | |
balance, and a difficult situation in the House of Commons in terms of | :01:21. | :01:24. | |
getting votes passed. Jo Swinson, the new MP for Dumbartonshire East | :01:25. | :01:30. | |
for the Lib Dems. I would like to pick up again on that, and | :01:31. | :01:35. | |
underlined that the SNP lost 21 seats overnight. They are on 35 | :01:36. | :01:39. | |
seats, down from the very, very strong performance two years ago. | :01:40. | :01:43. | |
Andrew Neil has one of the guests from the SNP this morning. | :01:44. | :01:48. | |
I can tell you sterling is down 2.3% on the markets, they don't like | :01:49. | :01:56. | |
uncertainty. A hung parliament means uncertainty. We are told Theresa May | :01:57. | :02:01. | |
is trying to put together a new government taking into account the | :02:02. | :02:04. | |
new circumstances. We will see how that goes. It was a bad night for | :02:05. | :02:10. | |
Mrs May, and for Nicola Sturgeon as well in Scotland. I have a member of | :02:11. | :02:15. | |
the Scottish Parliament with me. You lost 21 seats in Scotland. A 15% | :02:16. | :02:22. | |
swing against you. Why did it go so wrong? Remember that is from a base | :02:23. | :02:29. | |
of a historic result in 2015. You lost 21 seats. Nobody expected us to | :02:30. | :02:36. | |
win 56 seats again. I am not going to gloss over it, we have lost | :02:37. | :02:41. | |
experienced politicians and very good politicians, like Tasmina | :02:42. | :02:46. | |
Ahmed-Sheikh, as well. In Scotland, we have won the election. A | :02:47. | :02:53. | |
majority. As you know in politics, the direction of travel is | :02:54. | :02:55. | |
everything. And your direction of travel is down. You lost 21 seats, | :02:56. | :03:03. | |
to the Conservatives, to Labour. Many of your people said Scottish | :03:04. | :03:07. | |
Labour was finished. You lost to the Lib Dems. You lost to everybody. | :03:08. | :03:13. | |
Again, that is coming from a high water mark in 2015. I accept there | :03:14. | :03:19. | |
is plenty to reflect on. The most pressing issue is to form a | :03:20. | :03:23. | |
government in that place. We will begin conversations with the Labour | :03:24. | :03:28. | |
Party and other progressives like the Greens and Plaid Cymru to try | :03:29. | :03:31. | |
and stop a Conservative government who have twice in as many years | :03:32. | :03:36. | |
caused utter chaos in this country by gambling and misfiring | :03:37. | :03:39. | |
spectacularly. You haven't got the MPs to do that. I think after the | :03:40. | :03:46. | |
gamble David Cameron took on Brexit, the gamble Theresa May took which | :03:47. | :03:49. | |
has backfired, the Conservatives should do the decent thing and step | :03:50. | :03:53. | |
aside. They have no mandate for a hard Brexit and they should allow | :03:54. | :03:57. | |
the progressives to take the discussions forward to the European | :03:58. | :04:02. | |
Union. You would not have an overall majority as this Progressive | :04:03. | :04:07. | |
alliance... If you add the DUP to the Conservatives, they would still | :04:08. | :04:12. | |
be short. Your party's emphasis on the demand for a second referendum, | :04:13. | :04:16. | |
to bring independence back onto the agenda again has gone down like a | :04:17. | :04:22. | |
stone with the Scottish voters. They don't want it. If you take the | :04:23. | :04:28. | |
Labour results in the West of Scotland, there is no doubt that has | :04:29. | :04:32. | |
come about because of a Corbyn surge, not because of the decline in | :04:33. | :04:39. | |
support for independence. There can be no doubt, you are in retreat now. | :04:40. | :04:46. | |
Your line has not worked, independence is not around the | :04:47. | :04:50. | |
corner any more for you. A third historic term in the Scottish | :04:51. | :04:54. | |
Parliament, the largest party of local government. We have just won | :04:55. | :04:59. | |
the election in Scotland. If that is on the decline, so be it, we are | :05:00. | :05:05. | |
still a very powerful... If losing 21 seats is not a retreat, what is? | :05:06. | :05:12. | |
It is a terrible result for you. The most pressing issue is trying to | :05:13. | :05:16. | |
form a government in that place. We have always said independence is not | :05:17. | :05:20. | |
going to happen... Nicola Sturgeon said education was her top priority | :05:21. | :05:26. | |
and only 3% of the Scottish voters believed her. They thought | :05:27. | :05:30. | |
independence was. Is it not time for the SNP to get on with running | :05:31. | :05:34. | |
Scotland better and forget about a second referendum? Our record speaks | :05:35. | :05:40. | |
for itself. The fact we have a third term historic SNP government elected | :05:41. | :05:44. | |
shows people have confidence in our record. The most imminent and | :05:45. | :05:49. | |
pressing issue, as your commentators have said, is Brexit negotiations | :05:50. | :05:52. | |
starting in a matter of days. We need to get a government formed. We | :05:53. | :05:56. | |
will talk to other progressives about that. It is time the Prime | :05:57. | :06:00. | |
Minister did the decent thing and step aside and allow us to do that. | :06:01. | :06:05. | |
We shall see. We are going to catch up with the | :06:06. | :06:13. | |
news. After the news, we will discuss a little more about the | :06:14. | :06:17. | |
Brexit process coming up, and indeed we will be talking about Labour's | :06:18. | :06:21. | |
John McDonnell, who has said this morning he wants Labour to put | :06:22. | :06:25. | |
itself forward to serve the country and form a minority government. We | :06:26. | :06:28. | |
will discuss whether that is remote and possible given the make-up of | :06:29. | :06:33. | |
the numbers. Now the news and with Louise Minchin. | :06:34. | :06:36. | |
The BBC understands that Theresa May has no intention of resigning | :06:37. | :06:41. | |
as Prime Minister, after the general election ends with | :06:42. | :06:43. | |
The Conservatives have lost their majority, | :06:44. | :06:46. | |
Labour has done better than expected, | :06:47. | :06:56. | |
and Jeremy Corbyn has called for Theresa May to step down. | :06:57. | :06:59. | |
Our political correspondent Tom Bateman's report | :07:00. | :07:00. | |
A political gamble - the hope that she would transform | :07:01. | :07:07. | |
the Tories' fragile advantage in Parliament with a huge win. | :07:08. | :07:10. | |
But the smiles of the campaign trail have vanished. | :07:11. | :07:20. | |
The Conservatives are set to end up worse off with a hung Parliament. | :07:21. | :07:26. | |
If, as the indications have shown, if this is correct, | :07:27. | :07:28. | |
that the Conservative Party has won the most seats, and probably | :07:29. | :07:31. | |
the most votes, then it will be incumbent on us to ensure we have | :07:32. | :07:34. | |
that period of stability, and that is what we will do. | :07:35. | :07:37. | |
And you can see what the Labour leader makes | :07:38. | :07:39. | |
A man whose campaign confounded many expectations. | :07:40. | :07:42. | |
Beaming smiles, with Labour on course for a far better | :07:43. | :07:45. | |
The Prime Minister called the election because | :07:46. | :07:50. | |
Well, the mandate she's got is lost Conservative seats, | :07:51. | :07:56. | |
lost votes, lost support, and lost confidence. | :07:57. | :08:00. | |
I would have thought that is enough to go, actually. | :08:01. | :08:06. | |
In Battersea, Labour have ousted a government | :08:07. | :08:08. | |
There have been Labour gains elsewhere. | :08:09. | :08:18. | |
They increase their majority in Cambridge by 12,000, they took | :08:19. | :08:23. | |
Peterborough from the Conservatives, boosting their share of the vote by | :08:24. | :08:25. | |
more than 12%. The Home Secretary Amber Rudd | :08:26. | :08:34. | |
only just scraped home In Sheffield, the Lib Dem's former | :08:35. | :08:36. | |
leader Nick Clegg has lost his seat. I, of course, have encountered this | :08:37. | :08:43. | |
evening something that many people have encountered before tonight, | :08:44. | :08:46. | |
and I suspect many people will encounter after tonight, | :08:47. | :08:49. | |
which is in politics, you live by the sword and you | :08:50. | :08:52. | |
die by the sword. The night began with | :08:53. | :08:56. | |
a projection - the exit poll. The BBC forecast the Conservatives | :08:57. | :09:09. | |
as the largest party, The SNP have lost big names | :09:10. | :09:11. | |
on a disappointing night, compared with their Scottish | :09:12. | :09:17. | |
landslide two years ago. Their Deputy Leader Angus Robertson | :09:18. | :09:20. | |
was ousted by the Conservatives and their former leader Alex Salmond | :09:21. | :09:23. | |
lost his seat too. Now one of Theresa May's own MPs | :09:24. | :09:26. | |
is laying the blame on her. I think she's in a very | :09:27. | :09:29. | |
difficult place. She's a remarkable and a very | :09:30. | :09:33. | |
talented woman, and she doesn't shy from difficult decisions, | :09:34. | :09:36. | |
but she now has to Jeremy Corbyn's vocal support is | :09:37. | :09:52. | |
growing. Labour may be in a clear second, but his allies say they want | :09:53. | :09:54. | |
to form a minority government. She says she has no intention of | :09:55. | :10:07. | |
standing down and is working on forming a government. She wanted a | :10:08. | :10:12. | |
strong, stable and triumphant return here before Brexit talks. She has | :10:13. | :10:16. | |
ended up weakened, with fewer MPs and questions over her future. | :10:17. | :10:21. | |
In Northern Ireland, both the SDLP and the Ulster Unionist | :10:22. | :10:23. | |
It was a successful night for the largest parties. | :10:24. | :10:27. | |
The Democratic Unionist Party won ten seats. | :10:28. | :10:29. | |
Sinn Fein won seven seats but will continue to abstain | :10:30. | :10:32. | |
The result could see the DUP demand significant concessions | :10:33. | :10:36. | |
in return for propping up a Theresa May administration. | :10:37. | :10:40. | |
In Wales, the Labour Party had a strong night, taking back a number | :10:41. | :10:43. | |
The results represent a blow to the Tory party, who had hoped | :10:44. | :10:49. | |
Plaid Cymru won four seats, and the Liberal Democrats | :10:50. | :10:54. | |
Meanwhile, Ukip have failed to win any seats in Parliament. | :10:55. | :11:00. | |
Their share of the vote collapsed across Britain, | :11:01. | :11:03. | |
and their leader Paul Nuttall came third in Boston and Skegness. | :11:04. | :11:08. | |
The Green Party remain unchanged, with one seat. | :11:09. | :11:11. | |
The party co-leader Caroline Lucas, who held Brighton Pavilion, | :11:12. | :11:15. | |
said the Greens will never support a Tory government. | :11:16. | :11:19. | |
The Greens are forecast to win 2% of the vote. | :11:20. | :11:23. | |
Let's have a look at the weather, with Matt Taylor. | :11:24. | :11:31. | |
Good morning, overall, a more sunny day compared with yesterday but not | :11:32. | :11:39. | |
completely dry. In Scotland the rain will ease off. Elsewhere, some | :11:40. | :11:43. | |
showers in western England and Wales. They will push into central | :11:44. | :11:46. | |
and eastern parts of this afternoon, a rumble of thunder with those, but | :11:47. | :11:51. | |
they will fade away. Dry and sunny weather for England, Wales and | :11:52. | :11:54. | |
Northern Ireland this afternoon. Feeling warm, highs of 22 possible. | :11:55. | :12:00. | |
Tonight, early showers fading, the rain will spread. A wet night in | :12:01. | :12:04. | |
Northern Ireland and spreading across Scotland. On Saturday, | :12:05. | :12:09. | |
rainfall northern England, Wales and potentially south-west England. Dry | :12:10. | :12:14. | |
in Scotland later on, a bright and breezy day in Northern Ireland. The | :12:15. | :12:19. | |
south-east could feel warm in the sunshine, 25 is possible. Sunday, | :12:20. | :12:22. | |
the south-east corner stays largely dry with sunny spells. Further north | :12:23. | :12:27. | |
and west, a scattering of showers, feeling a bit cooler, with | :12:28. | :12:30. | |
temperatures in the high teens. Back for more election coverage with | :12:31. | :12:36. | |
Hugh Edwards. A very good morning once again from | :12:37. | :12:53. | |
the BBC Election Centre. If you are just tuning in and catching up with | :12:54. | :12:57. | |
what's been happening overnight, let me tell you the result of this 2017 | :12:58. | :13:04. | |
general election is that we are looking at a hung parliament. These | :13:05. | :13:08. | |
are the figures with just four results to come. The Conservatives | :13:09. | :13:14. | |
are the largest party. It has certainly turned out rather | :13:15. | :13:19. | |
differently to the opinion polls suggested, and indeed to what people | :13:20. | :13:24. | |
were expecting in terms of the analysis and the commentary | :13:25. | :13:28. | |
beforehand. It has been a night of dramatic and unexpected results. As | :13:29. | :13:33. | |
I say, four to come, three of them in Cornwall and one in Kensington | :13:34. | :13:38. | |
and Chelsea, where they are still counting and they have decided to | :13:39. | :13:41. | |
take a break after a long night. John McDonnell of Labour saying they | :13:42. | :13:47. | |
want to put themselves forward as a minority government. We will discuss | :13:48. | :13:51. | |
whether that is possible. I am just being told that the EU Commissioner | :13:52. | :13:56. | |
says Brexit talks might not now start as planned on June 19, simply | :13:57. | :14:00. | |
because they are really looking at the kind of uncertainty that Theresa | :14:01. | :14:05. | |
May was saying she categorically did not want, which is why she called | :14:06. | :14:10. | |
this election in the first. With me in the studio, Andrew Marr and Jo | :14:11. | :14:15. | |
Coburn, and we are joined by Professor Peter Hennessy. We will | :14:16. | :14:20. | |
talk to you in a while about the permutations of these figures. To | :14:21. | :14:24. | |
help us with that, Jeremy, what have you got? One of the things this | :14:25. | :14:31. | |
result will do, because it is so tight, is put a lot of focus on the | :14:32. | :14:35. | |
House of Commons. We are sitting in the virtual one. Let's have a look | :14:36. | :14:39. | |
and see if the numbers become clearer as we examine them. We have | :14:40. | :14:43. | |
the parties arranged as we think the final result will be. 319 for the | :14:44. | :14:53. | |
Conservatives. 261, Labour. The SNP on 35. And so on. You need 326 MPs | :14:54. | :15:00. | |
for an overall majority. I am going to try and build the majority | :15:01. | :15:04. | |
bearing in mind that no one party can do it. The Conservatives, having | :15:05. | :15:10. | |
fallen into a minority, sit with 319, and they need to add to the | :15:11. | :15:15. | |
total and get it up to 326. The obvious place to go is the | :15:16. | :15:19. | |
Democratic Unionist Party makes in Northern Ireland, they have ten MPs. | :15:20. | :15:24. | |
It is pretty simple maths. With the DUP, we have 329. The politics is | :15:25. | :15:34. | |
not simple because the DUP will want something for helping the | :15:35. | :15:36. | |
Conservatives. To get the Queen's Speech through, whether you call it | :15:37. | :15:41. | |
a coalition, a working arrangement, whatever, it doesn't matter. The | :15:42. | :15:44. | |
problem for Theresa May is she has not done it on her own. But they get | :15:45. | :15:51. | |
passed 326 by simply an listing the DUP in Northern Ireland. Not that | :15:52. | :15:54. | |
anyone expected. And if we have a look at the | :15:55. | :16:14. | |
opposition benches... Labour, the single biggest opposition party. The | :16:15. | :16:18. | |
SNP, much diminished in the House of Commons. The Liberal Democrats have | :16:19. | :16:22. | |
done a bit better than they did last time, now having 12. So that's how | :16:23. | :16:29. | |
it would work. These are the benches to focus on. So, there is a way of | :16:30. | :16:35. | |
the Conservatives getting through that number of 326, but it is pretty | :16:36. | :16:39. | |
humiliating for Theresa May to have to even think about this. As we look | :16:40. | :16:45. | |
ahead to the start of the biggest challenge which any government in | :16:46. | :16:51. | |
this country has faced for decades, Brexit, clearly, the uncertainty is | :16:52. | :16:54. | |
huge. We can speak now to Katya Adler, our Europe editor. I think | :16:55. | :17:02. | |
this can be summed up in the words of the French prime ministers this | :17:03. | :17:06. | |
morning, who said, we're surprised, but Brexit is not called into | :17:07. | :17:13. | |
question. The start of the negotiations was set for the 19th of | :17:14. | :17:21. | |
June, but that is very, very soon. That was what Theresa May's | :17:22. | :17:24. | |
governance said it wanted at the time. But this is not Brussels was | :17:25. | :17:29. | |
no decision, this is a UK decision. I think the general feeling in the | :17:30. | :17:33. | |
EU is that they are feeling strong and stable. The EU 27 member states | :17:34. | :17:37. | |
are all united about Brexit processor. Emmanuel Macron and | :17:38. | :17:42. | |
Angela Merkel are looking strong politically at home as well. And | :17:43. | :17:46. | |
they now look over to the United Kingdom and they see rather a | :17:47. | :17:52. | |
political mess. As for whether this leads to a harder Brexit or a softer | :17:53. | :17:58. | |
Brexit, again, Brussels says, this is a UK decision. They say they are | :17:59. | :18:02. | |
ready, they have had almost 12 months to prepare for Brexit | :18:03. | :18:04. | |
negotiations to begin. They want them to begin and they are reminding | :18:05. | :18:10. | |
the UK that the clock is ticking. Under EU rules, the UK only has | :18:11. | :18:15. | |
until March 2019 to finish the Brexit process, never mind talking | :18:16. | :18:18. | |
about a future trade relationship. Peter Hennessy, thoughts on that? | :18:19. | :18:24. | |
Even if negotiations start a week on Monday, as planned, the timetable is | :18:25. | :18:30. | |
immensely tight, to engineer the greatest geopolitical operation in | :18:31. | :18:39. | |
our country, wondering 46 years of everything. 19,000 statutes which | :18:40. | :18:48. | |
have to be once grumbled, 560 treaties involving 168 countries, it | :18:49. | :18:53. | |
is quite extraordinary. That is going to take much longer than the | :18:54. | :18:56. | |
two years, but with that clock ticking, it's going to be very, very | :18:57. | :19:01. | |
difficult indeed. The question might arise in some circumstances, Article | :19:02. | :19:07. | |
50, having been triggered, can you stop it? John Curtice has always | :19:08. | :19:10. | |
said it could be revoked, because it is a process, not a punishment. But | :19:11. | :19:16. | |
this extra ordinary election has thrown particles into the air which | :19:17. | :19:20. | |
we never anticipated, including these procedural questions. We have | :19:21. | :19:23. | |
never been across this terrain before, there is no precedent, there | :19:24. | :19:26. | |
is no equivalent of a Cabinet manual, which we were talking about | :19:27. | :19:30. | |
earlier, for these negotiations. It is quite extraordinary, it must be | :19:31. | :19:35. | |
sheer hell for our negotiators in Brussels, they have been like | :19:36. | :19:38. | |
racehorses, ready to go a week on Monday, and now there is a chance it | :19:39. | :19:41. | |
will not be starting then. Absolutely right, this is an | :19:42. | :19:45. | |
incredibly complicated operation. The Brexit department, David Davis' | :19:46. | :19:50. | |
department, is in better shape than a lot of us might have expected, | :19:51. | :19:53. | |
they have recruited a lot of people. But the real issue they have is, any | :19:54. | :19:58. | |
deals they do depend upon a majority in the House of Commons, and it | :19:59. | :20:02. | |
looks now like that majority might not be available. Therefore, every | :20:03. | :20:05. | |
time they try to do a compromise deal, every time they're offered | :20:06. | :20:08. | |
something, they will have to think about the balance of power on the | :20:09. | :20:12. | |
Tory benches in the House of Commons - at a nightmare. And that I think | :20:13. | :20:16. | |
the bigger test. If Theresa May is staying as Prime Minister, she is | :20:17. | :20:21. | |
now going to be looking over her shoulder one way to those who want | :20:22. | :20:27. | |
what we have called a harder Brexit. But now, if Labour organises itself, | :20:28. | :20:31. | |
along with those many e-MPs who might the looking for what we would | :20:32. | :20:35. | |
call a softer Brexit, she's going to have a very difficult time. Already, | :20:36. | :20:40. | |
people are saying that actually, there is more of a majority for a | :20:41. | :20:43. | |
softer Brexit and it is up to the opposition parties to organise | :20:44. | :20:48. | |
themselves. Just on that, we have been talking about Theresa May's | :20:49. | :20:51. | |
position all morning, and apparently Arlene Foster of the DUP as | :20:52. | :20:56. | |
suggested on the radio that Theresa May could be in a very, very | :20:57. | :21:00. | |
difficult position. Or the DUP demand the head of the Prime | :21:01. | :21:02. | |
Minister as part of the deal? It seems at Claude Le Roy, but... | :21:03. | :21:07. | |
Contact yes, but at the moment, anything it would seem would be | :21:08. | :21:20. | |
possible. -- it seems extraordinary. It is the curse of British politics. | :21:21. | :21:24. | |
When you look at the an hour picture, referendums, it does not | :21:25. | :21:28. | |
sit well with our normal system of representative democracy, and this | :21:29. | :21:33. | |
election has been about bringing the two types of democracy together at, | :21:34. | :21:38. | |
and in has produced this extraordinary result. There is no | :21:39. | :21:43. | |
question it destabilises us more. Since 1950, when we were first | :21:44. | :21:47. | |
approached to do all of this, the British party system cannot handle | :21:48. | :21:50. | |
it because it is not a left right question. It is the great wrecker of | :21:51. | :21:56. | |
political careers, it is an absolute nightmare, whether you're Remain or | :21:57. | :22:01. | |
Leave. Nigel Farage is with Andrew Neil. Nigel Farage, former leader of | :22:02. | :22:07. | |
Ukip, is indeed with me here in Westminster. Mrs May called an | :22:08. | :22:10. | |
election to get a mandate for her kind of Brexit. She didn't get it. | :22:11. | :22:17. | |
Are you now worried that the kind of Brexit you want may not be | :22:18. | :22:21. | |
delivered? Very. Despite the fact that there are 380 Tory MPs elected | :22:22. | :22:27. | |
on a Brexit manifesto, the DUP have got ten seats, and they support | :22:28. | :22:33. | |
Brexit. The real worry I have got is David Davis, who of all of the | :22:34. | :22:36. | |
people in the cabin and I would have thought would be closest to my | :22:37. | :22:39. | |
position, even him saying this morning but perhaps leaving the | :22:40. | :22:43. | |
single market and leaving the customs union will need to be | :22:44. | :22:47. | |
reconsidered. And what Tory central office have concluded is, they have | :22:48. | :22:51. | |
concluded that campaigning for hard Brexit has cost them votes. Now, I | :22:52. | :22:55. | |
think that analysis is wrong. I think in the end it was more about | :22:56. | :22:58. | |
personality. She failed the test, cheated not look like a leader, and | :22:59. | :23:03. | |
Jeremy Corbyn was having a ball, going around the country, engaging | :23:04. | :23:06. | |
people. So, it seems to me that even David Davis is considering putting | :23:07. | :23:13. | |
the single market back on the table, which shows that the whole Brexit | :23:14. | :23:16. | |
process has very seriously been damaged by this election. As we | :23:17. | :23:20. | |
speak, about half a mile down the road, we are told Mrs May is | :23:21. | :23:23. | |
intending to put together a government to cope with the new | :23:24. | :23:27. | |
circumstances, some reports she has already been in touch with the DUP | :23:28. | :23:30. | |
to get their support - can she put it off? Well, maybe she can put | :23:31. | :23:37. | |
together a government, but can she pull off the Brexit process? Four | :23:38. | :23:42. | |
times in this campaign, I saw her asked, as somebody who back to | :23:43. | :23:45. | |
Remain, do you know believing Brexit? And four times, she could | :23:46. | :23:49. | |
not answer the question. You cannot go to Brussels and negotiate | :23:50. | :23:53. | |
something as important as this unless you believe in it in your | :23:54. | :23:57. | |
heart. I'm told she will not resign today, but I do think, if Brexit is | :23:58. | :24:01. | |
to be a success, we must have somebody who believes in it leading | :24:02. | :24:04. | |
the government. So you think the Prime Minister should go? | :24:05. | :24:08. | |
Absolutely, yes, I do. I think she has failed completely and has | :24:09. | :24:11. | |
weakened her own position in British politics and she has weakened the | :24:12. | :24:16. | |
UK's position with these negotiations. And yet if the very | :24:17. | :24:19. | |
idea of Brexit is back on the negotiating table again, if you're | :24:20. | :24:26. | |
worried that it may not happen now, or at least it may not happen as you | :24:27. | :24:31. | |
would like it, and yet here is your own party, Ukip, nowhere in this | :24:32. | :24:37. | |
debate, no MPs, less than 2% of the vote, out, over, done, Towcester! | :24:38. | :24:42. | |
Ukip yesterday seemed to be irrelevant to the process, given | :24:43. | :24:49. | |
that the Tories and Labour both said they were fighting on Brexit. And | :24:50. | :24:51. | |
yet today we face the prospect, where if this starts to get watered | :24:52. | :24:55. | |
down, if we do not get the tempi in which people voted for, then Ukip | :24:56. | :24:59. | |
could be more relevant than ever. But you would come back from a very | :25:00. | :25:03. | |
low base. You have only just got more sure of the vote than the | :25:04. | :25:09. | |
Greens! Yes. But don't underestimate the fluidity of voters in the United | :25:10. | :25:13. | |
Kingdom and how strongly attached those Brexit voters are. If they get | :25:14. | :25:17. | |
betrayed, their votes will move. But the harsh fact is that your party, | :25:18. | :25:21. | |
since you stepped down as leader, has been nothing short of a | :25:22. | :25:26. | |
shambles. And that shambles has come to its logical conclusion in how the | :25:27. | :25:31. | |
people voted yesterday. It has not been very professional, I would | :25:32. | :25:34. | |
agree with all of that. But equally, the tide was going in a different | :25:35. | :25:37. | |
direction in this general election. It needs to be reformed and changed | :25:38. | :25:42. | |
and believe you me, if we finish up inside the single market, then Ukip | :25:43. | :25:47. | |
will be a party which is back on the agenda. If in your view the country | :25:48. | :25:53. | |
needs Ukip more than ever, for the reasons you've given, doesn't it | :25:54. | :25:57. | |
mean that Ukip needs you more than ever? Well, I didn't involve myself | :25:58. | :26:04. | |
in this election campaign. If my worst fears are confirmed, if we | :26:05. | :26:07. | |
don't get the kind of Brexit that I want and wish the people voted for, | :26:08. | :26:11. | |
then I would have no choice but to involve myself again with full-time | :26:12. | :26:15. | |
campaigning. Would you come back as leader? I'm not saying that. It | :26:16. | :26:20. | |
sounds to me like you would consider coming back as leader. I would not | :26:21. | :26:25. | |
even think about leading Ukip unless it went through some pretty | :26:26. | :26:28. | |
fundamental reforms. We shall see. Nigel Farage, thank you very much. | :26:29. | :26:36. | |
Back to the studio and Huw. Well, that is the former Ukip leader, what | :26:37. | :26:41. | |
happened to the CURRENT Ukip leader, Emily? Nigel Farage represents that | :26:42. | :26:49. | |
idea of hard empathy, but what has happened to the man who represents | :26:50. | :26:55. | |
Ukip now, all who wanted to, at least, in this Parliament? Bulot all | :26:56. | :27:01. | |
stood to be an MP in Boston and Skegness, and you can see what | :27:02. | :27:04. | |
happens to the Ukip share of the vote number it is down 26%. There | :27:05. | :27:10. | |
might be personal reasons on this one but we know that Paul Nuttall | :27:11. | :27:14. | |
was not the choice of voters in Boston and Skegness - does that | :27:15. | :27:20. | |
suggest that there is less of an appetite for Ukip's idea of hard | :27:21. | :27:25. | |
Brexit? Let me see if I can pull up some of the other places where we | :27:26. | :27:28. | |
have seen that drop in the Ukip folk? Douglas Carswell, he said | :27:29. | :27:34. | |
Ukip, job done. Perhaps it is a sign of their success. But when you look | :27:35. | :27:38. | |
at this, you can see how the vote has been split between Labour | :27:39. | :27:45. | |
Conservatives, with Ukip voters not entirely sure which party to go to. | :27:46. | :27:50. | |
Message is clear, in these seats, and I could bring up more of them, | :27:51. | :27:58. | |
Ukip is taking a big hit, down 11% or 17%. It suggests that Ukip voters | :27:59. | :28:04. | |
are now looking to other parties to enact whatever kind of Brexit they | :28:05. | :28:09. | |
thought they had voted for. We said earlier that John McDonnell was | :28:10. | :28:14. | |
saying that Labour would like to put themselves forward as a minority | :28:15. | :28:17. | |
government. That is something I want to discuss with my guests. Also, | :28:18. | :28:21. | |
Iain Duncan Smith, the former Conservative leader, saying a short | :28:22. | :28:27. | |
while ago that the Conservative Party, if it had a leadership | :28:28. | :28:30. | |
election, it would be a catastrophe. He said it would plunge the UK into | :28:31. | :28:35. | |
a crisis. Gus O'Donnell is with us. Can we just nailed this one on | :28:36. | :28:41. | |
Labour - could Labour be in a position, within this configuration, | :28:42. | :28:43. | |
to form some kind of minority government? Basically, the formal | :28:44. | :28:47. | |
position is that Theresa May, as rain minister, even if she had lost | :28:48. | :28:54. | |
this badly, could still carry on and go to the House and try and get a | :28:55. | :28:58. | |
Queen's Speech through, and then lose then she goes to the Queen and | :28:59. | :29:03. | |
says, I can't do it. I suspect what will happen this time is, she has | :29:04. | :29:07. | |
the votes to do it. Therefore, the situation won't arise. I'm afraid | :29:08. | :29:14. | |
Labour doesn't get a chance in those circumstances, as long as she wins | :29:15. | :29:17. | |
that vote in the House. But the key. On the issue of the Conservative | :29:18. | :29:27. | |
leadership, Andy, your thoughts on Iain Duncan Smith, who had a torrid | :29:28. | :29:32. | |
time as leader himself... Yes, he knows all about Conservative Party | :29:33. | :29:37. | |
leadership! If the Conservative Party could move to a new leader in | :29:38. | :29:43. | |
a mature fashion, that would be one thing. But they can't, it would be | :29:44. | :29:48. | |
an absolute bunfight, Boris would not be able to restrain himself in | :29:49. | :29:52. | |
any way at all, Brexit would be back on the agenda, it would be long, | :29:53. | :29:56. | |
brutal and bloody, and it would be, as Iain Duncan Smith says, | :29:57. | :30:00. | |
catastrophic for the country. It is interesting, though, because we have | :30:01. | :30:03. | |
been waiting for some reaction from Conservative MPs, and there has not | :30:04. | :30:06. | |
been all that much so far. It makes me feel that leading Brexiteers like | :30:07. | :30:11. | |
Iain Duncan Smith of course they don't want a leadership election, | :30:12. | :30:15. | |
they want to shore up Theresa May and her position, however weakened, | :30:16. | :30:20. | |
because they're worried about that Brexit timetable, and I think they | :30:21. | :30:23. | |
will have made a car chelation that the best way to keep Brexit, in | :30:24. | :30:28. | |
their mind, one track, is to keep her in place and shore up her | :30:29. | :30:33. | |
support. If there were to be a leadership election, it would be a | :30:34. | :30:36. | |
bunfight, and Brexit would look at risk in the way he would like to see | :30:37. | :30:39. | |
it. Anything from Boris Johnson? Nothing yet. Philip Hammond? No! And | :30:40. | :30:47. | |
all eyes will be on the Johnson, because what happened after the | :30:48. | :30:52. | |
referendum. What about David Davis? Nothing from David Davis. , the key | :30:53. | :30:59. | |
people, they will be waiting, there will be conversations going on in | :31:00. | :31:04. | |
the Conservative Party at higher levels, to see, strategically, what | :31:05. | :31:05. | |
can be done. If you want a sense of how | :31:06. | :31:15. | |
extraordinary this election has been, and everything is | :31:16. | :31:16. | |
unprecedented, Boris Johnson is saying nothing! And that is unusual. | :31:17. | :31:26. | |
It is 8.31, we are going to catch up with the news. | :31:27. | :31:29. | |
The BBC understands that Theresa May has no intention of resigning | :31:30. | :31:34. | |
as Prime Minister after the general election results | :31:35. | :31:37. | |
Some pollsters had predicted at the start of the campaign | :31:38. | :31:42. | |
that Mrs May would win a landslide for the Conservatives. | :31:43. | :31:45. | |
They will head back to Westminster with 319 seats - | :31:46. | :31:48. | |
seven fewer than would give them an overall majority. | :31:49. | :31:55. | |
Speaking as she was reelected to her seat in Maidenhead, | :31:56. | :31:58. | |
the Prime Minister said the country needed stability. | :31:59. | :32:00. | |
As we look ahead, and we wait to see what the final results will be, | :32:01. | :32:04. | |
I know that, as I say, the country needs | :32:05. | :32:08. | |
a period of stability, and whatever the results are, | :32:09. | :32:11. | |
the Conservative Party will ensure that we fulfil our duty | :32:12. | :32:16. | |
in ensuring that stability, so that we can all, as one country, | :32:17. | :32:20. | |
Labour have done better than expected, gaining around 30 seats. | :32:21. | :32:27. | |
Shadow Chancellor John McDonnell says the party | :32:28. | :32:31. | |
are offering themselves as a minority government. | :32:32. | :32:33. | |
In Islington North, the leader Jeremy Corbyn held his seat | :32:34. | :32:40. | |
After his result was called, he said Theresa May should step down. | :32:41. | :32:47. | |
If there is a message from tonight's result, it's this - | :32:48. | :32:52. | |
the Prime Minister called the election because | :32:53. | :32:55. | |
Well, the mandate she's got is lost Conservative seats, lost votes, | :32:56. | :33:02. | |
I would have thought that's enough to go, actually, | :33:03. | :33:08. | |
and make way for a government that will be truly representative of all | :33:09. | :33:12. | |
One major political figure to lose his seat was Nick Clegg. | :33:13. | :33:19. | |
The former Liberal Democrat leader and Deputy Prime Minister | :33:20. | :33:23. | |
lost his Sheffield Hallam seat to Labour. | :33:24. | :33:26. | |
Elsewhere, the Lib Dems made gains - former minsters Vince Cable | :33:27. | :33:29. | |
and Jo Swinson have both taken back the seats they lost in 2015. | :33:30. | :33:33. | |
The party's leader Tim Farron held onto his seat | :33:34. | :33:36. | |
The Scottish National Party has endured a series of shock defeats, | :33:37. | :33:43. | |
including the loss of its former First Minister Alex Salmond | :33:44. | :33:53. | |
and leader in the Commons Angus Robertson. | :33:54. | :33:55. | |
They both their seats amid a Scottish Conservative surge. | :33:56. | :33:57. | |
The party's best performance in Scotland since 1983. | :33:58. | :34:00. | |
First Minister Nicola Sturgeon said that the losses were a blow | :34:01. | :34:02. | |
to her and the SNP, indicating she had some reflecting to do on key | :34:03. | :34:06. | |
In Northern Ireland, both the SDLP and the Ulster Unionist Party | :34:07. | :34:12. | |
It was a successful night for the largest parties. | :34:13. | :34:17. | |
The Democratic Unionist Party won ten seats. | :34:18. | :34:21. | |
Sinn Fein won seven seats but will continue to abstain | :34:22. | :34:23. | |
The result could see the DUP demand significant concessions | :34:24. | :34:29. | |
in return for propping up a Theresa May administration. | :34:30. | :34:34. | |
In Wales, the Labour Party had a strong night, taking back a number | :34:35. | :34:37. | |
The results represent a blow to the Tory party, who had hoped | :34:38. | :34:43. | |
Plaid Cymru won four seats, and the Liberal Democrats | :34:44. | :34:49. | |
Meanwhile, Ukip have failed to win any seats in Parliament. | :34:50. | :34:55. | |
Their share of the vote collapsed across Britain, | :34:56. | :34:59. | |
and their leader Paul Nuttall came third in Boston and Skegness. | :35:00. | :35:04. | |
Traders in the City of London are bracing | :35:05. | :35:07. | |
themselves for a volatile day following the election result. | :35:08. | :35:10. | |
The pound has suffered one of its biggest falls since January | :35:11. | :35:13. | |
trading down by almost 2% against the dollar. | :35:14. | :35:20. | |
The stock market open half an hour ago, with shares in the top 100 | :35:21. | :35:25. | |
companies rising more than expected. This morning, the EU's budget | :35:26. | :35:28. | |
commissioner said a hung parliament could delay Brexit talks, | :35:29. | :35:30. | |
which are scheduled Theresa May is now back | :35:31. | :35:32. | |
in Downing Street. The Prime Minister travelled | :35:33. | :35:36. | |
from her Berkshire constituency to Conservative central office | :35:37. | :35:39. | |
in the early hours. She's said to have met | :35:40. | :35:41. | |
with advisors for an hour there And in the last half an hour, | :35:42. | :35:44. | |
Jeremy Corbyn has arrived He was greeted by jubilant campaign | :35:45. | :35:48. | |
workers and advisors. The Shadow Chancellor John McDonnell | :35:49. | :35:53. | |
has said that they have no intention Good morning once again. As we have | :35:54. | :36:21. | |
just heard, Theresa May, the Prime Minister, back in Downing Street, | :36:22. | :36:24. | |
contemplating the results of an extremely difficult night for the | :36:25. | :36:30. | |
Conservatives. Emerging from this 2017 election campaign with no | :36:31. | :36:34. | |
majority at all in the House of Commons, having to contemplate | :36:35. | :36:38. | |
building some kind of arrangement with the unionists in Northern | :36:39. | :36:41. | |
Ireland in order to get a majority in the Commons. We are looking at a | :36:42. | :36:46. | |
hung parliament, a very uncertain situation. Not just in terms of | :36:47. | :36:50. | |
Westminster, but in terms of the very, very critical Brexit talks | :36:51. | :36:55. | |
which are meant to be starting in about ten days' time. Let's go | :36:56. | :36:59. | |
straight to Downing Street, Laura Kuenssberg our political editor, | :37:00. | :37:01. | |
what do you have for us this morning? Huw, what a morning. We | :37:02. | :37:08. | |
understand Theresa May is holed up inside, contemplating how she is | :37:09. | :37:12. | |
going to try to do a deal with the DUP, to come out with a viable | :37:13. | :37:17. | |
government. Having had her hopes so fundamentally dashed, her political | :37:18. | :37:21. | |
gamble having gone so badly wrong for the Conservatives. In the last | :37:22. | :37:25. | |
half an hour, I have spoken to a couple of senior Conservatives. A | :37:26. | :37:29. | |
senior member of the Cabinet has pulled me that she will stay. She | :37:30. | :37:34. | |
will not change her mind. And although you say her political | :37:35. | :37:37. | |
authority is shot and drained away, the argument is her constitutional | :37:38. | :37:43. | |
responsible to an prerogative to hang on and try to form a | :37:44. | :37:48. | |
government... Not just that, they are talking about imagining the | :37:49. | :37:52. | |
alternative. Imagine if the Conservative Party, normally so | :37:53. | :37:56. | |
ruthless, ends up with a leadership challenge. It's almost inevitable | :37:57. | :38:00. | |
that one of the rivals would want to call an election or said they needed | :38:01. | :38:04. | |
their own mandate, and then we are back at a general election. The one | :38:05. | :38:08. | |
thing everyone in the Tory party can agree on this morning is that is | :38:09. | :38:13. | |
something none of them want. Another senior Conservative who has talked | :38:14. | :38:17. | |
directly to Theresa May told me she is resolute in the fact that she is | :38:18. | :38:21. | |
not going anywhere. There is a bit of a sense of Tories starting to | :38:22. | :38:26. | |
rally around, but a bit of a spanner in the | :38:27. | :38:45. | |
works in the last few minutes, the leader of the DUP, who would be | :38:46. | :38:49. | |
vital for Theresa May's prospects of staying on, has suggested in an | :38:50. | :38:51. | |
interview with BBC Ulster that it may be very difficult for her to | :38:52. | :38:54. | |
survive. If the DUP don't play ball, the calculus inside Number Ten | :38:55. | :38:56. | |
completely changes this morning. In terms of concluding anything, I can | :38:57. | :38:58. | |
conclude that it feels very fluid. Extremely fluid. Are you expecting | :38:59. | :39:01. | |
to see the Prime Minister, will she make a statement? What will the | :39:02. | :39:05. | |
morning bring? It would be unprecedented if we don't, let's put | :39:06. | :39:09. | |
it that way. The normal routine of these things is, win or lose, Prime | :39:10. | :39:14. | |
Ministers emerge from the door when the result is settled. Or they have | :39:15. | :39:19. | |
a sweeping victory walk up Downing Street, with their family, their | :39:20. | :39:24. | |
spouse or whatever. So much of this election has been unusual and | :39:25. | :39:26. | |
unprecedented that perhaps we will not. The optics of Theresa May | :39:27. | :39:32. | |
staying holed up inside Number Ten and not coming out at all would be | :39:33. | :39:37. | |
extraordinary and would not look very good. But also, traditionally | :39:38. | :39:42. | |
in these circumstances, the chairman of the 1922 committee, the group | :39:43. | :39:47. | |
representing Tory backbenchers would traditionally have some kind of | :39:48. | :39:50. | |
conversation with the party leader for they conclude what to do. The | :39:51. | :39:55. | |
chairman of the 1922 committee right now is Graham Brady. My sense from | :39:56. | :40:00. | |
sources close to him is he believes she should try to stay on. It may be | :40:01. | :40:04. | |
that until that conversation takes place, we are not going to see | :40:05. | :40:08. | |
anything from the Prime Minister. All we have had is guidance from | :40:09. | :40:11. | |
Tory sources that she's planning to stay on. We have not had anything | :40:12. | :40:18. | |
official in any way, shape or form. Bear with us. In a moment we will | :40:19. | :40:22. | |
get a statement from Jeremy Corbyn. He is about to speak. | :40:23. | :40:29. | |
It's clear the Conservatives are going to try and form a minority | :40:30. | :40:35. | |
government, perhaps with the DUP. Are you going to try and block the | :40:36. | :40:40. | |
move or are you going to be prepared to offer a compromise? What we were | :40:41. | :40:46. | |
elected to do was put forward a programme, which is about ending | :40:47. | :40:51. | |
austerity in Britain, is about supporting our National Health | :40:52. | :40:55. | |
Service and social care service, is about proper funding of our | :40:56. | :40:59. | |
education service and is about improving the lives of people in | :41:00. | :41:05. | |
this country through protection of the triple-lock on pensions, for | :41:06. | :41:10. | |
example. You sound like a man who is preparing to try and form the next | :41:11. | :41:14. | |
government. We are ready to serve this country. That is what we fought | :41:15. | :41:18. | |
the election for, and this is the programme we put forward. But you | :41:19. | :41:23. | |
have also said no deals and no pacts. Is that also the case? We are | :41:24. | :41:28. | |
offering to put forward the programme on which we fought the | :41:29. | :41:32. | |
election. We have done no deals with anybody. We are there as the Labour | :41:33. | :41:37. | |
Party to put our points of view, everyone knows what they are and | :41:38. | :41:40. | |
everyone can see the huge increase in our support because of the way we | :41:41. | :41:44. | |
conduct of the election and the comprehensive nature of the | :41:45. | :41:48. | |
programme we put forward. Do you envisage that you would be able to | :41:49. | :41:53. | |
form a minority government? Or are we heading, as many people are | :41:54. | :41:57. | |
predicting, for another general election? Parliament must meet, and | :41:58. | :42:02. | |
Parliament will have to take a decision on what happens when a | :42:03. | :42:05. | |
government puts forward the Queen's Speech. We will put forward our | :42:06. | :42:10. | |
point of view. We are of course ready to serve. Do you think in all | :42:11. | :42:16. | |
this uncertainty that the Brexit negotiations should be delayed? They | :42:17. | :42:19. | |
are supposed to be happening in 11 days. They have to go ahead. Who is | :42:20. | :42:26. | |
going to do it? The Government in office in 11 days will have to | :42:27. | :42:30. | |
conduct the Brexit negotiations. Our position is clear, we want a job 's | :42:31. | :42:35. | |
first Brexit. So the most important thing is the trade deal with Europe. | :42:36. | :42:43. | |
A good idea for Parliament would be to vote that EU nationals can remain | :42:44. | :42:46. | |
in Britain. Do you think there should be a delay to Article 50 or | :42:47. | :42:51. | |
any delay whatsoever to the negotiations? That decision has to | :42:52. | :42:55. | |
be taken either parties in the negotiations. We are ready to | :42:56. | :42:59. | |
negotiate on behalf of this country to protect jobs and to have a | :43:00. | :43:02. | |
sensible, tariff free trade arrangement with Europe. Do you | :43:03. | :43:07. | |
think Theresa May should resign? I said so last night, that she fought | :43:08. | :43:12. | |
the election on the basis that it was her campaign, it was her | :43:13. | :43:15. | |
decision to call the election, it was her name out there, and she said | :43:16. | :43:19. | |
she was doing it to bring about strong and stable government. This | :43:20. | :43:23. | |
morning, it doesn't look like a strong government, it doesn't look | :43:24. | :43:26. | |
like a stable government, it doesn't look like a government that has any | :43:27. | :43:30. | |
programme whatsoever. You can't put forward a stable government either. | :43:31. | :43:38. | |
Maybe you should resign. We have just been elected to Parliament only | :43:39. | :43:42. | |
a few hours ago, my party has had a huge increase in the vote, we have | :43:43. | :43:45. | |
gained seats in every region of this country and in Scotland and Wales. I | :43:46. | :43:51. | |
think everyone in the Labour Party, and everyone who supported the | :43:52. | :43:55. | |
Labour Party yesterday, young people, old people, everyone in | :43:56. | :43:58. | |
between, I think they should be very proud of what we achieved yesterday. | :43:59. | :44:03. | |
Just to be clear, are you saying you are the victors, and you should be | :44:04. | :44:07. | |
forming the next government? We put forward strong and hopeful policies | :44:08. | :44:11. | |
and they have gained an amazing response and traction. I think it is | :44:12. | :44:15. | |
pretty clear who won this election. So you should be forming the next | :44:16. | :44:19. | |
government? We are ready to serve the people who have given their | :44:20. | :44:23. | |
trust to us. Jeremy Corbyn, thank you very much. Labour leader Jeremy | :44:24. | :44:30. | |
Corbyn saying that Labour is ready to serve and that the Brexit talks | :44:31. | :44:34. | |
will have to go ahead as planned, on the timetable set out under Article | :44:35. | :44:38. | |
50. Mr Corbyn's close colleague John McDonnell is with Andrew Neil. | :44:39. | :44:44. | |
He is indeed, John McDonnell, welcome, Shadow Chancellor | :44:45. | :44:50. | |
throughout the Corbyn years. Labour has now lost three elections in a | :44:51. | :44:53. | |
row. Where does that leave your party? Disappointed we are not | :44:54. | :44:58. | |
forming a majority government, but looking back on the last six weeks | :44:59. | :45:03. | |
or so... Six weeks ago, we were 22 points behind in the polls. I was | :45:04. | :45:07. | |
predicting that would narrow, no one believed me at the time. The | :45:08. | :45:11. | |
achievement of this campaign has been tremendous. Did you think it | :45:12. | :45:16. | |
would go this well for Labour? I knew that the polls would narrow and | :45:17. | :45:20. | |
we would pick up additional seats. We have been on the ground around | :45:21. | :45:24. | |
the country and listening. The activist base is feeding back | :45:25. | :45:27. | |
messages of confidence so we thought, yes, we would be. Still not | :45:28. | :45:31. | |
a majority government so I am disappointed but we have laid the | :45:32. | :45:35. | |
foundations for the potential of a minority government and eventually a | :45:36. | :45:39. | |
majority government. We have both been around long enough to remember | :45:40. | :45:45. | |
1974, two general elections. The first one produced a hung parliament | :45:46. | :45:49. | |
although it did produce a change of government too. We have yet to see | :45:50. | :45:53. | |
that will happen. What are the chances of a second election this | :45:54. | :45:58. | |
year or early next year? The interesting thing about the first | :45:59. | :46:03. | |
election in 1974, Ted Heath went to the country with one question, who | :46:04. | :46:06. | |
governs the country? The people said that's not the question, it is about | :46:07. | :46:10. | |
our living standards. That is exactly what has happened this time. | :46:11. | :46:14. | |
I was amazed Theresa May used that tactic. I was amazed she called the | :46:15. | :46:20. | |
election. I could see the short-term advantage. I said the lead could | :46:21. | :46:25. | |
easily disappear. The instability that we now have is not from the | :46:26. | :46:30. | |
Labour Party or other parties, it is the Conservative Party itself. If we | :46:31. | :46:34. | |
can form a minority government, I think we can have a stable | :46:35. | :46:38. | |
government and produce eggs received programme a budget based on our | :46:39. | :46:42. | |
manifesto, which I think could majority support. Policy by policy. | :46:43. | :46:52. | |
That would prevent another election, because I think it will have had | :46:53. | :46:57. | |
enough of elections. It is an interesting prospect. We know that | :46:58. | :47:01. | |
Mrs May as we speak is trying to put together a government, trying to do | :47:02. | :47:05. | |
a deal with the DUP - you also, Labour, speaking to the other | :47:06. | :47:10. | |
parties, the SNP, the Greens, to try and get a minority government? No. | :47:11. | :47:17. | |
We are not looking for a coalition. We will set out our policy programme | :47:18. | :47:21. | |
and we will expect people to vote for it. The problem that we've got | :47:22. | :47:25. | |
is, I don't think the Conservative Party, particularly under Theresa | :47:26. | :47:28. | |
May, is a stable coalition in itself. I think that will fall | :47:29. | :47:31. | |
apart. We've already seen this morning Tory MPs calling upon | :47:32. | :47:36. | |
Theresa May to go, saying her position is untenable. We've got | :47:37. | :47:41. | |
worse Johnson and David Davis on manoeuvres at the moment in terms of | :47:42. | :47:44. | |
leadership. I don't think they can form a stable government. So | :47:45. | :47:47. | |
therefore, although we have not got a naughty, which I deeply regret, | :47:48. | :47:50. | |
forming a minority government I think is the best opportunity we | :47:51. | :47:53. | |
have got the government which will be stable and in the interest of the | :47:54. | :47:58. | |
country. The Theresa May was rejected, I believe, is because she | :47:59. | :48:02. | |
put party advantage before country, and it was so blatant, and people | :48:03. | :48:07. | |
rejected it. I take your point that a Theresa May government, the way | :48:08. | :48:12. | |
she is trying to do it, could be unstable, but why would a minority | :48:13. | :48:15. | |
Labour government, with no deals, you are saying, with any of the | :48:16. | :48:19. | |
other left-wing parties, why could that be any more stable? Because we | :48:20. | :48:24. | |
would be able to think our policy programme based on our manifesto, on | :48:25. | :48:30. | |
a set of popular policies, which large numbers of MPs would support | :48:31. | :48:34. | |
and would not want to be seen to be voting against. Would you take your | :48:35. | :48:40. | |
manifesto and reconfigure that for a Queen's Speech, designed in a way | :48:41. | :48:42. | |
which would get the broadest support? That's what we were going | :48:43. | :48:48. | |
to do anyway. We would set out a timetable of fermentation. Say for | :48:49. | :48:51. | |
example, we put forward the abolition of tuition fees. It is a | :48:52. | :48:55. | |
lecturer in the popular policy, both in the country... Stream the | :48:56. | :49:00. | |
expensive. It was but we costed it and we can afford it, with a fair | :49:01. | :49:05. | |
taxation system, which we can. I dare any MP to vote against that, | :49:06. | :49:09. | |
they would be grimly unpopular, if they did. They would be extremely | :49:10. | :49:14. | |
unpopular if they did that. On that basis, we can do it. If Mrs May | :49:15. | :49:19. | |
succeeds for a while in putting together a government of sorts, but | :49:20. | :49:24. | |
it turns out to be unstable, you would be there, expecting the Queen | :49:25. | :49:31. | |
to ask you all Mr Corbyn to try to form a government? I hope it isn't | :49:32. | :49:36. | |
like that over a period of time. I hope she realises today, very | :49:37. | :49:40. | |
quickly, that she cannot continue. I think the Conservative Party needs | :49:41. | :49:43. | |
to recognise that it cannot re-enter government in the way that it is at | :49:44. | :49:47. | |
the moment, it is unstable and divided. Allow us, therefore, we | :49:48. | :49:52. | |
will be the only alternative to put forward a stable government. The SNP | :49:53. | :49:57. | |
still have 35 MPs, if they said to you, and they have said, in general | :49:58. | :50:05. | |
terms, we are up for a progressive government, but we want a second | :50:06. | :50:08. | |
independence referendum, would you give that to them? No deals, no | :50:09. | :50:13. | |
coalition is. We have put forward our policies. If the SNP want to | :50:14. | :50:16. | |
vote for some of them, that is up to them. Politics, as you and I know, | :50:17. | :50:22. | |
is about deals. You cannot run a minority government without deals. | :50:23. | :50:30. | |
That is the sort of... We have all seem Borgen! Jeremy Corbyn, straight | :50:31. | :50:37. | |
talking, honest politics, that is what people want to. That is what I | :50:38. | :50:41. | |
believe in, and this is what I'm going to do. People support that | :50:42. | :50:45. | |
type of politics. But you would buy dishy -- but you would by definition | :50:46. | :50:52. | |
be a government which is actually lost the election. The Tories have | :50:53. | :50:56. | |
won it and you have lost it. That is the dilemma everyone has got. Nobody | :50:57. | :51:01. | |
has hosted this election, so who is best to form a stable government in | :51:02. | :51:04. | |
the interest of the people? We believe the Labour Party can do | :51:05. | :51:08. | |
that. Just give us the chance. How long do you think it will take it | :51:09. | :51:12. | |
for you can see this happening? I am hoping the situation is clarified | :51:13. | :51:16. | |
within days, otherwise we are in an impossible position with the Brexit | :51:17. | :51:21. | |
negotiations coming. So I think the responsibility is now on Theresa May | :51:22. | :51:23. | |
to stand down and on the Conservative Party to go away and | :51:24. | :51:29. | |
sort itself out and let the Labour government take its place. One final | :51:30. | :51:34. | |
point to you check if in your view what Mrs May is trying to do will | :51:35. | :51:37. | |
lead to a unstable government, if it leads to KIND of government, it will | :51:38. | :51:44. | |
be unstable, and if it is a minority Labour government which is doing no | :51:45. | :51:48. | |
deals, I would suggest to you, that is unstable as well, and we will be | :51:49. | :51:52. | |
having a second election quite soon? I believe that with sufficient | :51:53. | :51:55. | |
political skill, a minority government will be able to provide | :51:56. | :51:59. | |
stable government, but at a government as well, because it would | :52:00. | :52:02. | |
be based upon policies which are popular both in parliament and in | :52:03. | :52:08. | |
the country. We shall see. Back to you, dew. Thank you very much. I | :52:09. | :52:15. | |
think it fair to say that we will be analysing every word of that now, | :52:16. | :52:20. | |
asking ourselves whether John McDonnell's theory, that it would be | :52:21. | :52:25. | |
possible for Labour to form some kind of minority administration, | :52:26. | :52:30. | |
with policies across the House, Andy? It is very, very hard to see. | :52:31. | :52:34. | |
Politics is about authority and it is about power, or numbers. You | :52:35. | :52:39. | |
could see in the Jeremy Corbyn interview, they think the momentum | :52:40. | :52:43. | |
is with them, they have a big, new, moral authority which they are | :52:44. | :52:46. | |
revelling in. But none of that means an awful lot in policy terms an | :52:47. | :52:49. | |
issue have got the numbers in the House of Commons. John McDonnell was | :52:50. | :52:55. | |
saying, our very popular policy on tuition fees, lets their people to | :52:56. | :52:58. | |
put that down. That comes with a price tag. How many Conservative MPs | :52:59. | :53:02. | |
do we think are going to vote in favour of Labour tax rises? It is a | :53:03. | :53:08. | |
very, very engaging sort from John McDonnell, and he's going to produce | :53:09. | :53:12. | |
his alternative Queen's Speech, I am told, but nevertheless Labour does | :53:13. | :53:17. | |
not have the numbers and it is highly unlikely that that would | :53:18. | :53:22. | |
happen. It is likely that we will come out of this with Theresa May | :53:23. | :53:27. | |
leaning, albeit unhappily, on the DUP. Yes, that seems to be | :53:28. | :53:35. | |
fantasyland, I cannot see any circumstances... If Theresa May | :53:36. | :53:39. | |
cannot get the deal and she cannot get a Queen's Speech through, then | :53:40. | :53:42. | |
we could go to Labour doing it, but they don't have the numbers, it is | :53:43. | :53:51. | |
as simple as that. It is just a nonstarter. In those circumstances, | :53:52. | :53:55. | |
I'm afraid we are back into a second election. So, that's why I think we | :53:56. | :54:01. | |
will probably go with the Conservative minority. I'm not | :54:02. | :54:07. | |
surprised by what the DUP are saying, this is classic negotiating | :54:08. | :54:10. | |
strategy, they're holding out for as much as they can get. They know how | :54:11. | :54:15. | |
to do it! They do indeed. They're sounding bullish, Labour, they | :54:16. | :54:20. | |
would, and to some extent, this is their opportunity to do so. But I | :54:21. | :54:23. | |
agree, it is about numbers. You've got to have the numbers to actually | :54:24. | :54:29. | |
form a majority. Looking at now, they're not there. It is interesting | :54:30. | :54:34. | |
that John McDonnell said, we made no deals before this election. If you | :54:35. | :54:39. | |
remember, Ed Miliband suffered as a result of the implications that he | :54:40. | :54:45. | |
would do a deal, or join forces with the SNP. But now, of course, we are | :54:46. | :54:49. | |
in this situation, they're still saying, no deal, doing it on a | :54:50. | :54:54. | |
policy by policy basis I'm not sure would lead to what he calls a stable | :54:55. | :54:57. | |
government, any more stable than perhaps the one we are going to get | :54:58. | :55:01. | |
currently. So, they're going to keep saying design, because that is | :55:02. | :55:06. | |
really all they can say at this point - she should go. And | :55:07. | :55:09. | |
obviously, then, everything comes into play. But at the moment that | :55:10. | :55:13. | |
does not look like it is going to happen. More reports coming in from | :55:14. | :55:20. | |
Conservative sources, from the Telegraph, Theresa May is likely to | :55:21. | :55:24. | |
stay on, as we have been reporting, because she does not want to allow | :55:25. | :55:31. | |
Brussels to delay the tempted talks. Let's take a look at some of the | :55:32. | :55:36. | |
Labour targets and see how Labour has made this advance against the | :55:37. | :55:40. | |
Conservatives. We have put the Labour battle ground on the board | :55:41. | :55:44. | |
for you here. And you can see, the most marginal constituency they were | :55:45. | :55:49. | |
targeting was Gowler, just 37 votes in it. These are very marginal seats | :55:50. | :55:57. | |
which they had their eyes on because they were close to getting them last | :55:58. | :56:02. | |
time. Let's see the actual results, now that we know them. As you would | :56:03. | :56:07. | |
expect, the most marginal seats, Labour has gone through like a knife | :56:08. | :56:16. | |
through butter. This was Ed Balls' old seat, which stays Conservative. | :56:17. | :56:26. | |
Thurrock stays Conservative. And then gradually, the Conservatives | :56:27. | :56:29. | |
start to hold onto more. Let's have a look at so more of them. Reggie, | :56:30. | :56:35. | |
we increase the party majority in these target seats and they | :56:36. | :56:41. | |
gradually become harder to win. So we have Stroud and Northampton North | :56:42. | :56:45. | |
and so on. I peeked was a big one for Labour when Tony Blair was in | :56:46. | :56:52. | |
power, so was Cannock Chase. -- High Peak. Down here, the Conservatives | :56:53. | :57:02. | |
are escaping Labour's clutches. They take Enfield Southgate that is on a | :57:03. | :57:09. | |
10% swing. East Lothian, Scottish situation, slightly different, | :57:10. | :57:12. | |
they're beneficiaries of the severe downturn in the SNP vote. Let's keep | :57:13. | :57:20. | |
going. By the time we get to the third board here, we are on seats | :57:21. | :57:23. | |
with quite big majorities. On the last one, High Peak had a majority | :57:24. | :57:30. | |
of 4800. Cleethorpes, a majority of 8000. These were the seats coming | :57:31. | :57:34. | |
out of the last election. Many of these do not change. Yes, Reading | :57:35. | :57:39. | |
East went Labour, so did Warwick and others. But you can see on this | :57:40. | :57:48. | |
thought that as the majority increases, as you would expect, the | :57:49. | :57:52. | |
Conservatives hanging onto the seats they were defending. One more board | :57:53. | :57:57. | |
for you, targets, we are deep into seats which Labour never would have | :57:58. | :58:01. | |
expected to get. Many of them SNP seats. And we see the results. We | :58:02. | :58:09. | |
have only got the Scottish ones, plus Canterbury, overturning that | :58:10. | :58:12. | |
10,000 majority of Julian Brazier in Canterbury. But the question we're | :58:13. | :58:17. | |
asking is, how is it that Labour has advanced in a perfectly logical ways | :58:18. | :58:20. | |
through some of these seats, but a then others, the Conservatives hung | :58:21. | :58:26. | |
on? What was it about the seats where Labour made this proportion | :58:27. | :58:32. | |
advance which allow them to take them? Well, let's break this down | :58:33. | :58:37. | |
and take the seats they gained here. So, these are the seats which were | :58:38. | :58:40. | |
on the Labour target list and which they gained, starting with the most | :58:41. | :58:48. | |
marginal, Gower. We're going to highlight the seats which voted | :58:49. | :58:52. | |
Remain. And this is the clue. If we look here, there is nothing to write | :58:53. | :58:57. | |
home about, they simply to the seats with the smallest majorities, as you | :58:58. | :59:00. | |
would expect. But as we go down the board, as these seats get harder and | :59:01. | :59:05. | |
harder for Labour to win, what we find is that Labour only gain where | :59:06. | :59:11. | |
the constituencies voted for Rowe, so, Remain constituencies somehow | :59:12. | :59:16. | |
turbo-charged the Labour vote, isn't that interesting? And if you look at | :59:17. | :59:21. | |
the seats Labour lost, it is even starker. Mansfield going | :59:22. | :59:30. | |
Conservative. And those were seats which were Brexit seats, so they | :59:31. | :59:35. | |
weren't comfortable territory for Labour. Just some analysis therefore | :59:36. | :59:40. | |
you of the Labour vote, and we can sum it up by going to our big pie | :59:41. | :59:44. | |
chart which breaks down the seats in the House of Commons like this | :59:45. | :59:49. | |
struggle you can see the dotted line at 12 o'clock, which the | :59:50. | :59:51. | |
Conservatives have fallen just short of. Back to you, Jo Edwards. Thank | :59:52. | :59:58. | |
you very much, that gives us plenty to talk about. If you're watching in | :59:59. | :00:10. | |
the regions of England, you're going to get 30 minutes of news which is | :00:11. | :00:14. | |
specific to your area. If you're watching in Scotland, Wales or | :00:15. | :00:19. | |
Northern Ireland or on the News Channel, you are staying with us. | :00:20. | :00:22. | |
And we will be exported all of these themes. Who knows, we may even get a | :00:23. | :00:26. | |
senior Conservative to come along and give us a response, we would | :00:27. | :00:28. | |
certainly like that! Theresa May is determined to stay on | :00:29. | :00:46. | |
as Conservative leader, the BBC understands, despite a difficult | :00:47. | :00:49. | |
night that has led to a hung parliament. Her decision to call any | :00:50. | :00:54. | |
early general election ended with her majority wiped out. The | :00:55. | :00:58. | |
Conservatives are still the largest party with a predicted 318 MPs, and | :00:59. | :01:04. | |
43% of the vote, but with 11 fewer MPs. The Labour share of the vote | :01:05. | :01:08. | |
rose significantly, with the party predicted to gain more than 30 | :01:09. | :01:10. | |
seats. A political gamble - | :01:11. | :01:14. | |
the hope that she would transform the Tories' fragile advantage | :01:15. | :01:19. | |
in Parliament with a huge win. But the smiles of the campaign | :01:20. | :01:22. | |
trail have vanished. The Conservatives are set to end up | :01:23. | :01:27. | |
worse off with a hung Parliament. If, as the indications have shown, | :01:28. | :01:31. | |
if this is correct, that the Conservative Party has won | :01:32. | :01:33. | |
the most seats, and probably the most votes, then it will be | :01:34. | :01:38. | |
incumbent on us to ensure we have that period of stability, | :01:39. | :01:43. | |
and that is exactly what we will do. And you can see what | :01:44. | :01:48. | |
the Labour leader makes A man whose campaign | :01:49. | :01:52. | |
confounded many expectations. Beaming smiles, with Labour | :01:53. | :01:57. | |
on course for a far better The Prime Minister called | :01:58. | :02:00. | |
the election because Well, the mandate she's got | :02:01. | :02:05. | |
is lost Conservative seats, lost votes, lost support | :02:06. | :02:10. | |
and lost confidence. I would have thought | :02:11. | :02:13. | |
that is enough to go, actually. In Battersea, Labour | :02:14. | :02:18. | |
have ousted a government They increased their majority | :02:19. | :02:21. | |
in Cambridge by 12,000, and they took Peterborough | :02:22. | :02:32. | |
from the Conservatives, boosting their share of the vote | :02:33. | :02:35. | |
by more than 12%. The Home Secretary Amber Rudd | :02:36. | :02:39. | |
only just scraped home The former Business Secretary Vince | :02:40. | :02:55. | |
Cable was among four gains for the Lib Dems, but they had a shock in | :02:56. | :02:59. | |
Sheffield where their former leader Nick Clegg lost his seat. | :03:00. | :03:02. | |
I, of course, have encountered this evening something that many people | :03:03. | :03:05. | |
have encountered before tonight, and I suspect many people | :03:06. | :03:07. | |
will encounter after tonight, which is in politics, | :03:08. | :03:09. | |
you live by the sword and you die by the sword. | :03:10. | :03:11. | |
The night began with a projection - the exit poll. | :03:12. | :03:17. | |
With nearly all the results in, the Conservatives are the largest party | :03:18. | :03:23. | |
but short of an overall majority, having lost around a dozen seats. | :03:24. | :03:28. | |
Labour are on course to increase the number of MPs by around 30. The SNP | :03:29. | :03:33. | |
have lost big names on a disappointing night compared with | :03:34. | :03:36. | |
their Scottish landslide two years ago. | :03:37. | :03:38. | |
Their Deputy Leader Angus Robertson was ousted by the Conservatives | :03:39. | :03:40. | |
and their former leader Alex Salmond lost his seat too. | :03:41. | :03:43. | |
Now one of Theresa May's own MPs is laying the blame on her. | :03:44. | :03:46. | |
I think she's in a very difficult place. | :03:47. | :03:48. | |
She's a remarkable and a very talented woman, and she doesn't shy | :03:49. | :03:51. | |
from difficult decisions, but she now has to | :03:52. | :03:53. | |
Jeremy Corbyn's vocal support is growing. | :03:54. | :04:02. | |
Labour may be in a clear second, but his allies say they want | :04:03. | :04:05. | |
Mrs May says she has no intention of standing down and is working | :04:06. | :04:21. | |
She wanted a strong, stable and triumphant return | :04:22. | :04:25. | |
She has ended up weakened, with fewer MPs and questions | :04:26. | :04:29. | |
The Democratic Unionist Party makes a play a pivotal role and have | :04:30. | :04:42. | |
already said they will make their influence felt. They took ten seats. | :04:43. | :04:46. | |
Sinn Fein won seven seats but will continue to abstain | :04:47. | :04:48. | |
The SDLP and the Ulster Unionist Party | :04:49. | :04:55. | |
In Wales, the Labour Party had a strong night, taking back a number | :04:56. | :05:01. | |
The results represent a blow to the Tory party, who had hoped | :05:02. | :05:05. | |
Plaid Cymru won four seats, and the Liberal Democrats | :05:06. | :05:09. | |
Ukip have failed to win any seats in Parliament. | :05:10. | :05:14. | |
Their share of the vote collapsed across Britain, | :05:15. | :05:16. | |
and their leader Paul Nuttall came third in Boston and Skegness. | :05:17. | :05:19. | |
The Green Party remain unchanged, with one seat. | :05:20. | :05:22. | |
The party co-leader Caroline Lucas, who held Brighton Pavilion. | :05:23. | :05:27. | |
Their share of the vote was down, reflecting the swing to the big | :05:28. | :05:32. | |
parties. Good morning once again from the | :05:33. | :05:44. | |
BBC's Election Centre. If you are just joining us, well, you are | :05:45. | :05:47. | |
waking up to the news that there is to be a hung parliament. It's not | :05:48. | :05:51. | |
going to be a majority Government of any colour. Certainly not | :05:52. | :05:54. | |
Conservative, given some of the predictions that we were used to in | :05:55. | :05:58. | |
recent weeks. This is where we are with three seats to declare. So, 647 | :05:59. | :06:05. | |
in. And the prediction is Conservatives on 316, ten short of a | :06:06. | :06:09. | |
majority in the House of Commons. Labour on 261. We are looking at | :06:10. | :06:14. | |
gains of 29 seats for Labour and losses of 12 seats for the | :06:15. | :06:18. | |
Conservatives. Not where most people thought we would be this morning. | :06:19. | :06:22. | |
So, it's a very unexpected result. It creates all kinds of uncertainty, | :06:23. | :06:25. | |
not just in terms of the colour of the Government or indeed who will be | :06:26. | :06:29. | |
Prime Minister, because there are questions about Theresa May's | :06:30. | :06:32. | |
future, but of course in terms of the challenges that this Government | :06:33. | :06:36. | |
has to tackle, the Brexit challenge principally which presents all kinds | :06:37. | :06:40. | |
of obstacles and problems, that process starting within days. So, | :06:41. | :06:44. | |
that's the context. To explain more about the result before I bring my | :06:45. | :06:48. | |
guests in again, let's join Emily. I want to take you specifically to | :06:49. | :06:53. | |
London. There is a very interesting result going on beneath the | :06:54. | :06:58. | |
headline. It is this, Labour on 55% share of the vote. The Conservatives | :06:59. | :07:05. | |
on 33%. Why am I pointing that out? ? They've had a good night in London | :07:06. | :07:11. | |
and one seat is unresolved, because we understand the counters have gone | :07:12. | :07:15. | |
home believing it was too close to call. This seat, Kensington. We are | :07:16. | :07:20. | |
in territory where Kensington is forecast as too close to call. This | :07:21. | :07:27. | |
has never gone Labour. It would be an extraordinary result if it were | :07:28. | :07:31. | |
to go Labour, I am not saying it will but I can show you three seats | :07:32. | :07:36. | |
that border Kensington which are all showing extraordinary swings to | :07:37. | :07:39. | |
Labour. You can see in Westminster, which is a Labour seat, the swing to | :07:40. | :07:45. | |
Labour has been 11%. In these two seats which are true | :07:46. | :07:50. | |
blue Tory, Chelsea and City of London, contains Knightsbridge and | :07:51. | :07:54. | |
the City, 10% swing to Labour. 9. 3% swing to Labour. Kensington requires | :07:55. | :08:01. | |
an 11% swing for Labour to take it. If Kensington goes red tonight, then | :08:02. | :08:04. | |
Jeremy Corbyn has achieved something that Tony Blair never did, that seat | :08:05. | :08:10. | |
has never been Labour. Emily, thank you very much. I am | :08:11. | :08:14. | |
thinking at the moment we are getting more reaction coming in, | :08:15. | :08:18. | |
especially in the context of the EU because this is a crucial context | :08:19. | :08:26. | |
for us, so the latest is - the leader of the dominant Conservative | :08:27. | :08:30. | |
group in particle. He is saying the clock is ticking for Brexit. There | :08:31. | :08:35. | |
is going to be pressure on this timetable. We also heard from the | :08:36. | :08:42. | |
leading negotiator within the parliament for the liberal block | :08:43. | :08:46. | |
within the European Parliament and he. | :08:47. | :08:52. | |
Mitchell Barnier, the man leading the negotiations for the EU, all | :08:53. | :08:58. | |
ready to go, all in place, as soon as this election was over to start | :08:59. | :09:03. | |
those Brexit negotiations, I have heard that actually that date that | :09:04. | :09:06. | |
we have been saying was not cast in stone, that was the aim. The aim was | :09:07. | :09:11. | |
to pick up on those Brexit negotiations within ten days' time. | :09:12. | :09:19. | |
But it is a moveable feast. Let me say more about him, leader of the | :09:20. | :09:23. | |
big Conservative group, not just saying the clock is ticking, the UK | :09:24. | :09:28. | |
needs a Government soon, the date for the beginning of the | :09:29. | :09:30. | |
negotiations is unclear and then he goes on to say the EU is united, the | :09:31. | :09:36. | |
UK is deeply split. The Prime Minister May wanted stability but | :09:37. | :09:39. | |
has brought chaos to her country instead. That's really laying it on | :09:40. | :09:47. | |
the line. That really is and significantly Martin Schulz, a | :09:48. | :09:50. | |
powerful important politician in these negotiations, has | :09:51. | :09:54. | |
congratulated Jeremy Corbyn on his performance and agreed to meet | :09:55. | :09:57. | |
Jeremy Corbyn and said this is the end of the British plan for hard | :09:58. | :10:01. | |
Brexit. More to the point, I am wondering is it as some people are | :10:02. | :10:08. | |
saying, is the ex-from Brexit coming? For that to happen you need | :10:09. | :10:13. | |
a politician with the votes in the House of Commons to actually hit the | :10:14. | :10:17. | |
halt button. I don't see who that could possibly be at this stage. It | :10:18. | :10:21. | |
looks as if there are numbers to have a different kind of Brexit to | :10:22. | :10:25. | |
the one being talked about. If the pressure is going to come within the | :10:26. | :10:31. | |
European Parliament and as you say the main Conservative block in the | :10:32. | :10:34. | |
European Parliament, that actually now the way is wide open for a | :10:35. | :10:37. | |
different sort of negotiation, she's going to be under a lot of pressure, | :10:38. | :10:41. | |
Theresa May, to rethink what the lines are going to be because she | :10:42. | :10:44. | |
will need the support in the House of Commons behind her. What will the | :10:45. | :10:47. | |
Cabinet Secretary and the senior team around the Cabinet Secretary be | :10:48. | :10:51. | |
thinking about this process at this stage? They'll be saying this was | :10:52. | :10:56. | |
always going to be a difficult process. Trying to get these | :10:57. | :11:01. | |
detailed negotiations done in two years, which is what Article 50 | :11:02. | :11:04. | |
requires, is an incredibly complex task, which most people thought | :11:05. | :11:09. | |
would only be done in the sense of a few headlines arrangements and then | :11:10. | :11:14. | |
a transitional deal thereafter or implementation plan to use Theresa | :11:15. | :11:17. | |
May's words. That's become harder because at the moment the civil | :11:18. | :11:21. | |
servants will be saying, so, what is our negotiating position? We know | :11:22. | :11:27. | |
what the EU 27's position is. Has our position changed? Earlier we | :11:28. | :11:33. | |
were reporting someone in the EU saying actually this is looking more | :11:34. | :11:36. | |
flexible, but they're saying the clock is ticking and the uncertainty | :11:37. | :11:39. | |
is on the British side. From our point of view, this timetable has | :11:40. | :11:44. | |
started. Exactly. So, we do need very quickly to start putting | :11:45. | :11:49. | |
together some issues about what are we going to learn from this | :11:50. | :11:53. | |
election? Does it mean a softer Brexit, are we going to stick with | :11:54. | :11:57. | |
the single market, look again at free movement? All those sorts of | :11:58. | :12:01. | |
issues come back. There are key issues like the fate of EU | :12:02. | :12:06. | |
nationals. During the election campaign Labour wanted that and the | :12:07. | :12:12. | |
Liberal Democrats wanted that to be unilaterally done by the British | :12:13. | :12:15. | |
Government and that was going to be part of the negotiations, will that | :12:16. | :12:20. | |
change? The divorce bill... That's the crucial thing. It's over these | :12:21. | :12:25. | |
things that have already been put out there and we know that the | :12:26. | :12:29. | |
Government under Theresa May before said they wouldn't pay anything like | :12:30. | :12:34. | |
100 billion euros which was one of the figures put out there. Is that | :12:35. | :12:39. | |
going to be sorted first? Or will it become part of the negotiations? She | :12:40. | :12:42. | |
is in a weaker position than before. One thing I wanted to bring in, | :12:43. | :12:48. | |
sorry to move around a bit, but it's a very important statement that John | :12:49. | :12:50. | |
Swinney of the SNP has made about the future of Scotland. Really | :12:51. | :12:55. | |
important. For people who don't know John Swinney, a very important | :12:56. | :12:58. | |
figure in the SNP in Scotland, probably now after Alex Salmond | :12:59. | :13:02. | |
second only to Nicola Sturgeon and he said this morning that the issue | :13:03. | :13:08. | |
of indyref 2 explains a lot about why the SNP did so badly in many | :13:09. | :13:12. | |
seats and lost many seats and said we have to take time and care to | :13:13. | :13:17. | |
reflect on the result and have to acknowledge that the question of a | :13:18. | :13:21. | |
second referendum was a significant motivator of votes against the SNP | :13:22. | :13:26. | |
in this election and we have to be attentive to that point. That's | :13:27. | :13:30. | |
close to a senior member of the SNP saying we are giving up on indyref | :13:31. | :13:33. | |
2. We will pick up on that. A year Craig obstacle injury is indeed with | :13:34. | :13:52. | |
me. Big cheese in David Cameron's Downing Street. If you were still in | :13:53. | :13:59. | |
that job, what would you be advertising MrsMay to do? She takes | :14:00. | :14:04. | |
to take soundings from the Conservative and find out how much | :14:05. | :14:07. | |
support. The indications are the Conservative Party seems to be | :14:08. | :14:10. | |
saying we need another leadership election like a hole in the head. | :14:11. | :14:13. | |
That doesn't mean to say she's out of the woods. The pressure is going | :14:14. | :14:17. | |
to be intense but I think she's probably going to see herself | :14:18. | :14:22. | |
through today. However you spin it, is not the harsh reality that | :14:23. | :14:26. | |
Theresa May is a Liam duck Prime Minister now? It's extraordinary | :14:27. | :14:32. | |
difficult if she forms a Government to have a legislative programme | :14:33. | :14:34. | |
meaningful in any way. Any Government at the moment to going to | :14:35. | :14:40. | |
have to do difficult things, look at what survived the Conservative | :14:41. | :14:42. | |
manifesto like getting rid of school lunches, that kind of thing. If you | :14:43. | :14:45. | |
have a majority of two or three that's going to be voted down in the | :14:46. | :14:49. | |
House of Commons. Anything difficult is going to constantly come up | :14:50. | :14:53. | |
against that. You are faced with a prospect of a Government limping on | :14:54. | :14:56. | |
maybe for a few months and maybe another election. Lots of | :14:57. | :15:01. | |
instability. And she would be dependent for a majority, if that, | :15:02. | :15:06. | |
on the DUP in Northern Ireland. Arlene Foster has said this morning, | :15:07. | :15:11. | |
head of the DUP, it may be quite hard for MrsMay to survive. Exactly | :15:12. | :15:15. | |
that. But even if she did manage to do a deal with the DUP she has her | :15:16. | :15:20. | |
own backbenchers with their own wants and needs and concerns. Look | :15:21. | :15:28. | |
at somebody like Nicky Morgan and Anna Soubrey and people like John | :15:29. | :15:34. | |
Redwood, the gulf between these people is enormous and when you have | :15:35. | :15:37. | |
legislation that's also difficult you face the possibility of being | :15:38. | :15:40. | |
voted down by your own party, never mind doing a deal with the DUP. You | :15:41. | :15:44. | |
know the Tory Party and backbenchers, the only thing that | :15:45. | :15:49. | |
really succeeds in the Tory Party is success. And lots of Tories will now | :15:50. | :15:53. | |
regard Theresa May as a failure. I think that is true, they will feel | :15:54. | :15:57. | |
they were taken into an election believing on the back of her name | :15:58. | :16:01. | |
they were going to get an increased majority and she didn't deliver | :16:02. | :16:05. | |
that, that's a problem. It is a big problem. But perhaps an even bigger | :16:06. | :16:09. | |
problem is do we really want to be having another leadership election | :16:10. | :16:12. | |
now and doing that at a time when the Labour Party, I think it's out | :16:13. | :16:15. | |
of the realms of possibility, but the Labour Party is saying maybe we | :16:16. | :16:20. | |
could form a Government. Well, that would suggest to me then that the | :16:21. | :16:23. | |
Conservatives are between a rock and a hard place. They've got a lame | :16:24. | :16:28. | |
duck leader, but no stomach for another leadership election. They're | :16:29. | :16:31. | |
in an extremely difficult position. I think what will happen is by the | :16:32. | :16:34. | |
end of this weekend we will have a sense when people have been able to | :16:35. | :16:40. | |
phone each other, you will get a sense of what's going on and what's | :16:41. | :16:43. | |
going to happen. At the moment I think they don't feel they've got | :16:44. | :16:47. | |
the stomach for the fight. But you will have people agitating and | :16:48. | :16:51. | |
saying, you said you could deliver this, you said we could go into | :16:52. | :16:54. | |
Brexit negotiations stronger and we are not stronger. And it's all made | :16:55. | :16:59. | |
all the worse for many Tories, Wye suggest, because it's entirely | :17:00. | :17:03. | |
self-inflicted. The decision was taken to have an election by Theresa | :17:04. | :17:06. | |
May. Now to be fair she was worried about the House of Lords because it | :17:07. | :17:10. | |
wasn't in a manifesto what they were planning to do in Brexit. Lots of | :17:11. | :17:12. | |
people in the House of Lords were saying we can play around with this | :17:13. | :17:16. | |
as much as we want. She felt she needed a mandate to deliver that and | :17:17. | :17:19. | |
to be fair that's the case. She was also tempted by the fact people were | :17:20. | :17:23. | |
putting in front of her, look, you have four million Ukip votes up for | :17:24. | :17:27. | |
grabs, we can take them all and have a majority. It could be a chance to | :17:28. | :17:31. | |
put the Labour Party to the sword. Of course, all of that came to | :17:32. | :17:36. | |
nothing. Why was the Tory campaign such a shambles? I think there is an | :17:37. | :17:40. | |
enormous number of reasons that you have been going through in these | :17:41. | :17:42. | |
interviews. One I would like to add is I would like to know what data | :17:43. | :17:46. | |
they were working on. Because it sounds to me like some of the very | :17:47. | :17:52. | |
punchy tweets coming out of HQ and some of the strategists saying, | :17:53. | :17:55. | |
YouGov you have to wrong, let's see what happens on the night. Well, we | :17:56. | :17:58. | |
did see what happened on the night. It appears that the data they were | :17:59. | :18:00. | |
working on was not that accurate. We were told throughout the campaign | :18:01. | :18:10. | |
to ignore the polls, the polls have not got it right, the ground war | :18:11. | :18:15. | |
shows the Tories are doing really well and the Tories will take a | :18:16. | :18:19. | |
number of Labour seats in the Midlands at the North. That is based | :18:20. | :18:23. | |
on the kind of data you are talking about, it is clear that was not | :18:24. | :18:28. | |
accurate. Go it appears that is the case. The ground war in 2015 was | :18:29. | :18:34. | |
remarkably successful and based on hyper targeted local campaigning. It | :18:35. | :18:40. | |
appears the Conservative Party were going for seats they could not | :18:41. | :18:43. | |
realistically get, putting resources in those seats and possibly leaving | :18:44. | :18:48. | |
themselves bear elsewhere. She called this election because she | :18:49. | :18:53. | |
wanted a mandate for Brexit, that was the ostensible purpose of doing | :18:54. | :18:57. | |
it. She called it, of course, because she thought she could win | :18:58. | :19:01. | |
and win big, see where that got her. She does not have a mandate for | :19:02. | :19:06. | |
Brexit now. She put her Brexit manifesto in the Tory manifesto and | :19:07. | :19:11. | |
the people have not voted for it. She is in I'm extraordinarily | :19:12. | :19:15. | |
difficult position, if you are the European Union negotiating on this | :19:16. | :19:22. | |
you will say that you started off with this number of MPs, now you | :19:23. | :19:25. | |
have fewer, when you take this back to the British Parliament can we be | :19:26. | :19:28. | |
sure you will get it through? It will make the negotiations tougher. | :19:29. | :19:33. | |
If we were to return, not even with another election, but to talk again | :19:34. | :19:41. | |
in maybe October, will Mrs May still be Prime Minister? Hard to tell, it | :19:42. | :19:45. | |
looks extraordinary difficult at the moment but it is an incredibly | :19:46. | :19:49. | |
volatile time in politics, lots of people making correct predictions | :19:50. | :19:54. | |
but it looks tough at the moment. It is not exactly strong and stable, is | :19:55. | :19:58. | |
it? Having got this was the Conservative Party will not be happy | :19:59. | :20:05. | |
but that was the campaign slogan -- having got this result, the | :20:06. | :20:07. | |
Conservative Party will not be happy. Let's go back to Huw Edwards | :20:08. | :20:13. | |
at the BBC Election Centre. Craig Oliver, the master of | :20:14. | :20:17. | |
understatement, talking to Andrew at the Palace of Westminster. | :20:18. | :20:22. | |
More news from the European Union, some conflicting signals about how | :20:23. | :20:27. | |
they are trying to read this result, but Michel Barnier, the chief | :20:28. | :20:31. | |
negotiator for the European Commission, these Brexit talks, the | :20:32. | :20:35. | |
man in charge of the process, what has he said? | :20:36. | :20:39. | |
It is very interesting, he says Brexit negotiations should start | :20:40. | :20:42. | |
when the UK is ready. In other words, they don't think the UK is | :20:43. | :20:47. | |
ready right now after the election result last night. Timetable and EU | :20:48. | :20:51. | |
positions, he says, are clear. They are ready and waiting. Let's put our | :20:52. | :20:58. | |
minds together on striking a deal. It is interesting he feels there is | :20:59. | :21:01. | |
no point starting these very complicated discussions that they | :21:02. | :21:06. | |
will have until he is sure that he is dealing with, yes, the right | :21:07. | :21:09. | |
person, but also the right offer they will put on the table. As we | :21:10. | :21:16. | |
discussed before, a representative from The European People's Party | :21:17. | :21:20. | |
Group said that the clock is ticking and we have started already, so the | :21:21. | :21:24. | |
pressure from one side of the EU is on Theresa May, but on the other | :21:25. | :21:27. | |
side they are saying I only want to talk to the person in charge who | :21:28. | :21:31. | |
knows what they are doing. That tweet from the shop on EA is not an | :21:32. | :21:36. | |
friendly, difficult or unhelpful, it common sense. -- that tweet from | :21:37. | :21:43. | |
Michel Barnier. He is not anti-British, he is grand committee | :21:44. | :21:46. | |
wants to negotiate with very senior ministers only but he is not | :21:47. | :21:51. | |
difficult for Theresa May and they have a very crucial personal | :21:52. | :21:53. | |
connection, they are both very friendly with former French Prime | :21:54. | :21:57. | |
Minister Bernard Cazeneuve and there is a back channel between Michel | :21:58. | :22:02. | |
Barnier aren't Theresa May. I am stuttering slightly because David | :22:03. | :22:06. | |
Dimbleby's wretched fly has returned to the studio. He likes you | :22:07. | :22:09. | |
excavation we thought we had killed him but he is. No flies on me! Some | :22:10. | :22:18. | |
thoughts on the contribution from Michel Barnier? We have a formidable | :22:19. | :22:26. | |
opponent against us. What he is saying is I will only talk when you | :22:27. | :22:30. | |
know what you are talking about. But at the same time we are not moving | :22:31. | :22:35. | |
the two year deadline, we are squeezing the time and you guys need | :22:36. | :22:39. | |
to get your act together, that is basically it. I need to jump in, one | :22:40. | :22:46. | |
important group inside the Conservative Party is calling for a | :22:47. | :22:50. | |
leadership election. That's likely change as the | :22:51. | :22:54. | |
temperature. There are other things on the domestic front, Brexit is the | :22:55. | :22:58. | |
important negotiation ahead, but looking at domestic policy you have | :22:59. | :23:07. | |
to ask how easy will it be... To have to go through cuts, for | :23:08. | :23:10. | |
example. That was certainly on the table in terms of welfare. She had | :23:11. | :23:14. | |
already struggled with some of her own backbenchers in terms of support | :23:15. | :23:18. | |
for tax credits and the national insurance contributions, that will | :23:19. | :23:21. | |
be difficult for her in the House of Commons. And also in the House of | :23:22. | :23:26. | |
Lords. We are talking about changes to the composition of the House of | :23:27. | :23:29. | |
Commons so the majority has come right down. The House of Lords is it | :23:30. | :23:34. | |
correctly as it was before, it has a built-in majority the Conservatives. | :23:35. | :23:40. | |
Basically it will be very difficult. What the Lords will do, they will | :23:41. | :23:43. | |
not exceed their remit but they can throw things back to the Commons to | :23:44. | :23:49. | |
think again. Every time you do that it means another vote. If you are | :23:50. | :23:53. | |
running a minority government, the last thing you want votes in the | :23:54. | :23:57. | |
Commons because you just need a few rebels and it falls. Getting | :23:58. | :24:01. | |
difficult and tough choices like cuts through will be incredibly | :24:02. | :24:07. | |
hard. A great moment to be a Tory backbencher, they will have a lot of | :24:08. | :24:12. | |
fun. A lot of power. The Telegraph this Breaking Bad the Shadow | :24:13. | :24:15. | |
Chancellor John McDonnell, who we heard repeating that Theresa May | :24:16. | :24:19. | |
should resign earlier, is saying, that Theresa May has the week end to | :24:20. | :24:26. | |
form a government or Labour will try to form a coalition. Goes, I know | :24:27. | :24:34. | |
you need to go and it has been great having you with us, your expertise | :24:35. | :24:38. | |
has been a lot of value. If you were in number ten this morning, would | :24:39. | :24:42. | |
your expectation be that the Prime Minister would emerge and make a | :24:43. | :24:47. | |
statement at some point? I think she has to. She will go and see the | :24:48. | :24:50. | |
Queen at some point and she should come out and say here is the | :24:51. | :24:54. | |
strategy, this is what we will do. I complete the accept that she needs | :24:55. | :25:02. | |
time. -- I completely accept. The DUP are tricky. She needs to get | :25:03. | :25:06. | |
together what she will come out and say and how she will take this | :25:07. | :25:10. | |
forward. But the clock is ticking. She needs to get on with it. Thank | :25:11. | :25:18. | |
you very much, Gus. We were talking about Labour and John McDonnell. | :25:19. | :25:23. | |
Owen Smith has been waiting patiently in Cardiff, he challenged | :25:24. | :25:27. | |
Mr Corbyn for the leadership. What are your thoughts on the Labour | :25:28. | :25:31. | |
performance overnight? I am delighted we have retained so many | :25:32. | :25:34. | |
fantastic colleagues and got 30 new colleagues, we have a 40% share of | :25:35. | :25:39. | |
the vote, a very good night the Labour. Unfortunately we did not win | :25:40. | :25:42. | |
but it is an excellent performance at Jeremy Corbyn is to be | :25:43. | :25:47. | |
congratulated for it. What do you think Labour | :25:48. | :26:00. | |
people and voters will make of the fact that you run a campaign because | :26:01. | :26:04. | |
you thought, let's face it, he was a dead loss as leader? I was clearly | :26:05. | :26:07. | |
wrong in feeling Jeremy would not be able to do this well. He has proven | :26:08. | :26:10. | |
me and lots of people wrong. I take my hat off to him. Is it down to him | :26:11. | :26:13. | |
as a leader or Labour's policies? I think it has to be both. I don't | :26:14. | :26:18. | |
what he has but if we could bottle it and drink it we would all be | :26:19. | :26:21. | |
doing very well. The manifesto, I know from my campaigning and other | :26:22. | :26:26. | |
colleagues, was incredibly popular. People warmed to the radical ideas | :26:27. | :26:29. | |
proposed in the manifesto, they want an end to was territory and to see a | :26:30. | :26:34. | |
government investing in public services. -- they want an end to | :26:35. | :26:38. | |
austerity. We heard that on the doorstep. We heard from people who | :26:39. | :26:46. | |
had not voted for a long while and some had never voted before, they | :26:47. | :26:48. | |
voted Labour, not just young people but people inspired by the policies | :26:49. | :26:51. | |
and, it has to be said, by Jeremy, to votes Labour. Andrew Marr telling | :26:52. | :27:00. | |
is that it is carried juice. Where do I get some at this time in the | :27:01. | :27:05. | |
morning?! The allotment excavation just a thought on how things move | :27:06. | :27:11. | |
on, Mr McDonnell has basically said that Labour is standing by to form a | :27:12. | :27:14. | |
minority government, Gus O'Donnell has said the numbers do not make | :27:15. | :27:19. | |
sense in that regard but the only viable option is the Conservatives | :27:20. | :27:24. | |
with the help from the DUP. Is that how you see it? I see that Theresa | :27:25. | :27:28. | |
May has made a catastrophic mistake, not just for the Tory party bid for | :27:29. | :27:32. | |
the country. In some respects she was right, we need stability at the | :27:33. | :27:37. | |
point of Brexit negotiations and she has left us with a lass stable | :27:38. | :27:45. | |
situation to go into those negotiations. The Labour Party must | :27:46. | :27:47. | |
stand by ready to form a government right now. -- she has left us with a | :27:48. | :27:53. | |
lass stable situation. I hope we get a stable government and that the | :27:54. | :27:58. | |
Labour Party is able to form it. I think the manifesto we all stood on | :27:59. | :28:00. | |
last night would transform the country and I hope we get the | :28:01. | :28:06. | |
possibility to put it into practice. When we get Michel Barnier, the EUG | :28:07. | :28:10. | |
from negotiator, saying they are ready to talk when the UK is, | :28:11. | :28:19. | |
clearly reflecting the deal of uncertainty, how rigid should the | :28:20. | :28:23. | |
process be? I think there should be flexibility but what he said was a | :28:24. | :28:26. | |
statement of fact, they can negotiate until they know who the | :28:27. | :28:30. | |
government of Britain is and who their interlocutors are in the UK. I | :28:31. | :28:34. | |
think that is why she has to get on with it. John McDonnell is right to | :28:35. | :28:38. | |
say she needs to move quickly right now. She will want a few hours to | :28:39. | :28:43. | |
reflect but I think it is incumbent on her as the Prime Minister who | :28:44. | :28:51. | |
called the selection, which she did not need to, let's not forget, she | :28:52. | :28:54. | |
had a majority and did not need to go to the country because of Brexit, | :28:55. | :28:57. | |
she did it out of political opportunism because she thought she | :28:58. | :29:00. | |
would crush the Labour Party and she has been completely undone. | :29:01. | :29:04. | |
Unfortunately in her undoing she has left us in a less stable state of | :29:05. | :29:08. | |
circumstances. Given your comments about Corbyn in the past, would you | :29:09. | :29:17. | |
serve under him if he were asked? I would serve under any Labour leader, | :29:18. | :29:22. | |
Jeremy has lots of people who worked brilliantly alongside him in the | :29:23. | :29:25. | |
campaign, Andrew Gwynne and others were fantastic, I am sure he has | :29:26. | :29:28. | |
many people he will be talking to and I wish him well. That is a very | :29:29. | :29:34. | |
modest answer. Thank you for joining us. Owen Smith, the Labour MP. | :29:35. | :29:40. | |
A final word before the news on where we stand this morning in terms | :29:41. | :29:47. | |
of Theresa May's options, looking ahead. I am not talking weeks and | :29:48. | :29:52. | |
months, the next few hours. She is the vicar's daughter, if she has one | :29:53. | :29:56. | |
thing it is a sense of duty. She knows by now it has made a big, big | :29:57. | :30:00. | |
political mistake. She took ownership, it was her campaign all | :30:01. | :30:04. | |
the way, her mistake, therefore she has a duty to try to hold together | :30:05. | :30:08. | |
the Government, pick up the pieces in the short-term. I am sure in ways | :30:09. | :30:19. | |
she would love to go off running through wheat fields again or | :30:20. | :30:21. | |
whatever she would be doing if not leading the Conservative Party and | :30:22. | :30:23. | |
being Prime Minister, but the Tory party is not in a fit state for | :30:24. | :30:26. | |
another leadership election and the country would be plunged into | :30:27. | :30:28. | |
another period of total uncertainty at a crucial moment in the Brexit | :30:29. | :30:31. | |
negotiations, I think duty calls and she will stay. Viewers are joining | :30:32. | :30:33. | |
us from around the UK. We better say goodbye, Gus, thanks | :30:34. | :30:51. | |
very much. The former Cabinet Secretary is leaving us. If you are | :30:52. | :30:56. | |
just joined us at the BBC election centre, if for some reason you | :30:57. | :30:59. | |
missed this morning's necessary or have been heavily asleep overnight. | :31:00. | :31:03. | |
Let me tell you Theresa May is still Prime Minister this morning but | :31:04. | :31:07. | |
doesn't have a majority in this new parliament. It is to be a hung | :31:08. | :31:13. | |
parliament. The prospect at the moment seems to be that MrsMay will | :31:14. | :31:18. | |
stay in power with the help of the DUP, that's not confirmed by the | :31:19. | :31:22. | |
way, that's just the way that the figures are stacking up. It's been a | :31:23. | :31:27. | |
remarkable night for Labour making a few gains. Of course the | :31:28. | :31:31. | |
Conservatives suffering losses that they never thought they would | :31:32. | :31:35. | |
suffer. We are nowhere near the solid impressive majority that so | :31:36. | :31:39. | |
many commentators and indeed some of of the polls had been suggesting for | :31:40. | :31:43. | |
the Conservatives up until that exit poll came last night. So, let's go | :31:44. | :31:48. | |
straight to one important part of the story because the result in | :31:49. | :31:51. | |
Scotland, showing heavy losses for the SNP with gains for the | :31:52. | :31:54. | |
Conservatives and for Labour Party, let's join Lorna Gordon there. | :31:55. | :32:01. | |
Yeah, the SNP here in Scotland won more seats than any other party by a | :32:02. | :32:05. | |
large margin but really I think it's fair to say this was not a good | :32:06. | :32:10. | |
result for them. Some of the big beasts of the SNP are gone. Alex | :32:11. | :32:16. | |
Salmond gone. Angus Robertson gone, that SNP map of Scotland in 2015 | :32:17. | :32:21. | |
where Scotland was pretty much painted SNP yellow is a patchwork | :32:22. | :32:24. | |
quilt. We have had comments in the last couple of hours. John Swinney | :32:25. | :32:31. | |
saying the - acknowledged the result might show that the second | :32:32. | :32:35. | |
independence referendum, the suggestion of that, was a | :32:36. | :32:39. | |
significant motivator of votes in this election and that the SNP had | :32:40. | :32:44. | |
to be attentive to that. They lost 21 seats. With me we have heard from | :32:45. | :32:50. | |
politicians, we have heard from others, but what about voters? With | :32:51. | :32:54. | |
me are four voters who have braved the rain here in Edinburgh this | :32:55. | :33:03. | |
morning to have a chat. Selma, David, Kim and Robert. Thank | :33:04. | :33:06. | |
you for joining us, what did you vote and what do you make of the | :33:07. | :33:09. | |
result? I voted for the SNP but I think they have to remember that | :33:10. | :33:13. | |
from 2010 to the moment Scotland still has one dominant party, | :33:14. | :33:18. | |
whereas the UK now appears to have a very wounded Tory Party being | :33:19. | :33:23. | |
propped up by the DUP. That doesn't sound strong and stable to me. | :33:24. | :33:26. | |
Certainly doesn't look a good lead into Brexit. What's going to happen | :33:27. | :33:30. | |
to local policies throughout the UK? A big drop for the SNP, what do you | :33:31. | :33:36. | |
think went wrong? That was a readjustment after the 2015 | :33:37. | :33:39. | |
election. What is the big elephant in the room people don't want to | :33:40. | :33:48. | |
talk about is 2014, you have 22-45 and that came about not with one | :33:49. | :33:51. | |
political party, that came about through a grass roots movement that | :33:52. | :33:56. | |
transcended class and area and that is what is going to revitalise | :33:57. | :34:00. | |
Scotland. David, you voted Conservative. Of course they had a | :34:01. | :34:05. | |
poor night across the UK, a good night here in Scotland. What | :34:06. | :34:08. | |
happened, what went right for the Conservatives here in Scotland? I | :34:09. | :34:13. | |
think Ruth Davidson is the real clue to what went on, she's a fantastic | :34:14. | :34:17. | |
leader and the team in Scotland did a fantastic job of getting out and | :34:18. | :34:21. | |
getting the vote out. What was the policy that the Tories were | :34:22. | :34:25. | |
campaigning on that was really just one message? It was primarily on | :34:26. | :34:35. | |
union and anti-indyref two. I voted SNP this time around. What do the | :34:36. | :34:41. | |
Tories stand for, I don't know. Ruth Davidson is my MSP, I never managed | :34:42. | :34:44. | |
to get her to say anything about policy, I have asked her views on | :34:45. | :34:49. | |
certain things, not from any sort of attacking position, to find out what | :34:50. | :34:53. | |
she stands for and I have no idea what they stand for. Nonetheless the | :34:54. | :34:58. | |
SNP leadership itself seems to be acknowledging that a significant | :34:59. | :35:01. | |
part of this vote, the drop in the number of MPs, they'll be returning | :35:02. | :35:05. | |
to Westminster, is down to the fact this was a vote against a second | :35:06. | :35:11. | |
independence referendum. Yeah, but we should be voting on policies. We | :35:12. | :35:14. | |
are having a general election about which way we want to run the | :35:15. | :35:18. | |
country, not about another referendum. Who did you vote for and | :35:19. | :35:26. | |
why? Ian Murray, my Labour MP, he is an excellent constituency MP and I | :35:27. | :35:30. | |
feel he needed the support, I am surprised and delighted so many more | :35:31. | :35:35. | |
Labour MPs got in this time. Also because I feel strongly that I want | :35:36. | :35:39. | |
to send a message that I don't want another referendum. I don't. It's | :35:40. | :35:44. | |
curious, though, that you seem to be voting for a constituency MP on | :35:45. | :35:48. | |
constituency reasons. But you look across Scotland, there has been a | :35:49. | :35:53. | |
surge as well in the Labour vote, it seems to be down to Jeremy Corbyn | :35:54. | :35:58. | |
but your MP is not a great fan of Jeremy Corbyn. I don't know that it | :35:59. | :36:03. | |
is necessarily Jeremy Corbyn. I took the view that it was probably people | :36:04. | :36:10. | |
voted SNP, having usually been a Labour supporter, have now got | :36:11. | :36:13. | |
cheesed off with the SNP and what they keep banging on about and gone | :36:14. | :36:18. | |
back to what they originally supported and believed in. That's my | :36:19. | :36:22. | |
view, I don't know if that's supported by fact. What do you | :36:23. | :36:26. | |
think? In view of the fact that every time Kezia Dugdale and Jeremy | :36:27. | :36:31. | |
Corbyn got together, you got a disagreement, Kezia Dugdale can't | :36:32. | :36:34. | |
keep the Scottish Labour Party together. Stirling constituency | :36:35. | :36:43. | |
Labour Party said vote Tory. In Aberdeen there was a break away from | :36:44. | :36:49. | |
the Labour Party. The whole thing is actually crumbling. That has what | :36:50. | :36:52. | |
has allowed the Conservative Party to come back into Scotland. For | :36:53. | :36:58. | |
Labour to be telling Labour to vote tactically, to vote for Tories, is | :36:59. | :37:03. | |
unbelievable in Scotland. It will not continue. David, as a | :37:04. | :37:07. | |
Conservative voter, do you think a second referendum is dead and | :37:08. | :37:11. | |
buried? You can never say that. I think the SNP will come back with | :37:12. | :37:15. | |
some story that would indicate it is still on the table. Definitely. My | :37:16. | :37:19. | |
prediction is, this will sound crazy, the Tories will go back and | :37:20. | :37:24. | |
say the SNP is wounded in Scotland, let's put this to bed forever, this | :37:25. | :37:30. | |
referendum, they'll have it and then lose it. What do you make of that? | :37:31. | :37:35. | |
Who, the Tories will lose again? Because the Tories consistently | :37:36. | :37:38. | |
lose. You said it. Every time you call one of these referendum, you | :37:39. | :37:43. | |
lose it! Tories consistently lose in Scotland! We are in confusing times. | :37:44. | :37:49. | |
What is that Chinese curse, may you live in interesting times, we live | :37:50. | :37:51. | |
in interesting times. Thank you very much for that. Never a truer word | :37:52. | :37:57. | |
was said. We live in confusing and very interesting times. Not least | :37:58. | :38:02. | |
here in Scotland. Lorna, thank you very much. Thank | :38:03. | :38:07. | |
you to your guests too. 648 results have come in. We have two to go. One | :38:08. | :38:12. | |
is Cornwall North. We are expecting the Conservatives to hold on. That | :38:13. | :38:18. | |
would give them 318. That will take them up to 318. Our forecast is 319 | :38:19. | :38:23. | |
because that includes the forecast for Kensington. But as I was saying | :38:24. | :38:28. | |
they've taken a break there because it's so tight and the word a while | :38:29. | :38:32. | |
ago before they took a break to start counting again, was that | :38:33. | :38:38. | |
Labour were just ahead. The Conservatives could end up, not on | :38:39. | :38:43. | |
319 but on 318. That's the picture. Two results to come in. We are now | :38:44. | :38:47. | |
certainly looking at, as we have been saying repeatedly, a hung | :38:48. | :38:51. | |
parliament. A word from David Miliband. Yes, he tweeted saying | :38:52. | :38:58. | |
wow. So good. Labour stronger, so good brutal Brexit rejected. So good | :38:59. | :39:02. | |
next generation realised the stakes and spoke up. David Miliband of | :39:03. | :39:06. | |
course wanted to be Labour leader. Beaten by his brother Ed Miliband | :39:07. | :39:11. | |
who lost the election in 2015. There he is, from his position in New York | :39:12. | :39:16. | |
saying that he thinks brutal Brexit has been rejected. And saying that | :39:17. | :39:21. | |
is down to the younger generation. When the polls were looking and | :39:22. | :39:23. | |
projecting what the result was going to be it looked as if the younger | :39:24. | :39:27. | |
generation was going to come out in big numbers for Jeremy Corbyn but | :39:28. | :39:30. | |
the fear was they might not come out and vote. It looks in some places as | :39:31. | :39:34. | |
if they did. Thank you. I was mentioning Kensington. Look at these | :39:35. | :39:37. | |
images. It tells you something about the state of exhaustion. | :39:38. | :39:43. | |
After a very long night. We do symphathise. Yes, it's a weary look. | :39:44. | :39:51. | |
That time already! And this is the team in Kensington | :39:52. | :39:56. | |
where basically a short time ago they were all told you have had a | :39:57. | :40:02. | |
very hard night, still no result. Then, you know, take a break. Come | :40:03. | :40:06. | |
back later. We may not get a result in Kensington later today. It may | :40:07. | :40:10. | |
even be tomorrow. So, let's fill in a little more detail on Kensington | :40:11. | :40:14. | |
and go to Emily. I have been hearing off record there | :40:15. | :40:18. | |
are about 35 votes in it. They've done a couple of recounts already | :40:19. | :40:22. | |
that might explain the looks of utter exhaustion on the faces. | :40:23. | :40:26. | |
Labour has been ahead in one of those recounts. If there are just 35 | :40:27. | :40:30. | |
votes in it you can see why they might have paused for a moment to | :40:31. | :40:33. | |
make sure they're not missing things and seeing double. Dropping things | :40:34. | :40:37. | |
on the floor. And have decided to suspend it to come back. It's | :40:38. | :40:43. | |
incredibly tight. The reason for that is that the sitting MP for the | :40:44. | :40:49. | |
Conservatives was a Brexiteer in a very Remaining part of London. We | :40:50. | :40:53. | |
often talk in these terms on a night like tonight of swings and | :40:54. | :40:58. | |
majorities and maths involved in a hung parliament and coalition. It | :40:59. | :41:02. | |
all comes down to personalities. It is the political careers that we | :41:03. | :41:05. | |
have been watching again on a night like tonight. I have picked out a | :41:06. | :41:08. | |
few. They've really been the drama of the | :41:09. | :41:13. | |
night. One is Sheffield Hallam, one of the most poignant images was | :41:14. | :41:19. | |
seeing Nick Clegg lose his seat. He said I have never shirked from | :41:20. | :41:28. | |
fighting political battles. He lost out here on a pretty tight race. He | :41:29. | :41:34. | |
is no longer an MP. The Lib Dems losing out. Tim Farron held on in | :41:35. | :41:50. | |
Westmorland and Lonsdale. Gordon, another big beast, Alex Salmond lost | :41:51. | :41:53. | |
out to the Conservative Colin Clarke. Will he be having a word | :41:54. | :41:58. | |
with Nicola Sturgeon perhaps about the kind of campaign that the SNP | :41:59. | :42:02. | |
have run? Hastings, we were watching this with a lot of trepidation for | :42:03. | :42:12. | |
Amber Rudd. She held on. The Labour Party will be disappointed to miss | :42:13. | :42:17. | |
this, it would have been huge to take, the sitting Home Secretary. | :42:18. | :42:22. | |
One more to bring you. Ipswich. This is Suffolk, we don't expect any red | :42:23. | :42:28. | |
in a part of the world like this. But Ben Gummer, not only was one of | :42:29. | :42:32. | |
the Cabinet Office ministers, but actually responsible for some of the | :42:33. | :42:36. | |
manifesto writing and policies in it, lost his seat to sandy Martin. | :42:37. | :42:43. | |
One person who has had an excellent night, the big green beast, Caroline | :42:44. | :42:48. | |
Lucas who nearly doubled her majority in the only seat they hold. | :42:49. | :42:52. | |
Thank you very much. Emily with the laitest and some of | :42:53. | :42:57. | |
the personalities. We have been talking about the permutations for | :42:58. | :43:01. | |
Government and talking about Theresa May probably having to rely on the | :43:02. | :43:05. | |
DUP. Let's go to Belfast and Chris Page | :43:06. | :43:13. | |
is there. Your thoughts on what the likely parameters will be, what will | :43:14. | :43:16. | |
the conversation be like between Theresa May and the DUP? The DUP | :43:17. | :43:20. | |
have found themselves in a position they've never been in before as | :43:21. | :43:24. | |
potential King-makers in a hung parliament. Perhaps understandably | :43:25. | :43:27. | |
they're not giving away too much publicly as to what the price for | :43:28. | :43:30. | |
their support might be. But if you look at what they've said in the | :43:31. | :43:35. | |
past about this and their manifesto this time around, you might get some | :43:36. | :43:40. | |
clues. Back in 2015 when everybody expected a hung parliament that | :43:41. | :43:44. | |
didn't actually happen in the end, the DUP spoke often of what they | :43:45. | :43:48. | |
would do, what their attitude would be if they found themselves in a | :43:49. | :43:51. | |
position of influence. On that occasion they said they wouldn't | :43:52. | :43:55. | |
want to take Ministerial positions, but they would rather support a | :43:56. | :43:59. | |
Government under a confidence and supply arrangement. This time they | :44:00. | :44:03. | |
haven't specified whether they would ask for seats around the Cabinet | :44:04. | :44:09. | |
table or if they would accept a confidence and supply move. As | :44:10. | :44:13. | |
regards policies, they may ask for financial assistance for Northern | :44:14. | :44:16. | |
Ireland, for the likes of infrastructure projects. If you look | :44:17. | :44:19. | |
at their manifesto, some of the economic policies, well, on the | :44:20. | :44:24. | |
broader issues they would want the triple-lock in pensions retained, a | :44:25. | :44:27. | |
cut in VAT from tourism businesses, they would want the personal tax | :44:28. | :44:33. | |
allowance increased. You may well get some discussion around draweder | :44:34. | :44:37. | |
policy issues, not just matters that solely affect Northern Ireland. A | :44:38. | :44:43. | |
big one will be Brexit. The DUP passionately supported Brexit. They | :44:44. | :44:46. | |
were probably the most Eurosceptic party in the UK until the rise of | :44:47. | :44:55. | |
Ukip. They may push for some flexibility for Northern Ireland, a | :44:56. | :44:59. | |
stronger voice for Northern Ireland around the Brexit negotiating table | :45:00. | :45:01. | |
and some flexibilities, particularly when it comes to that all-important | :45:02. | :45:05. | |
issue of border controls between Northern Ireland and the Republic. | :45:06. | :45:09. | |
They have said as Theresa May herself has said, that they want | :45:10. | :45:14. | |
crossing the border to remain as seamless and expect that on the wish | :45:15. | :45:20. | |
list. Thought on the broader picture in | :45:21. | :45:29. | |
Northern Ireland? A strong motor for the DUP and Sinn Fein. Remarkable to | :45:30. | :45:37. | |
see here the UUP, the SDLP and the Alliance with nothing. The DUP and | :45:38. | :45:41. | |
Sinn Fein have taken their dominance politics in Northern Ireland to way | :45:42. | :45:46. | |
whole new level. Very few if any predicted they would wipe out the | :45:47. | :45:50. | |
nationalist SDLP and the Ulster Unionist Party, but that has | :45:51. | :45:56. | |
happened overnight. DUP have gained two seeds, Sinn Fein have gained | :45:57. | :46:02. | |
three, and Lady Sylvia Hermon is the only other MP in Northern Ireland, | :46:03. | :46:09. | |
the independent unionist. The SDLP have no MPs at Westminster, there | :46:10. | :46:13. | |
will be no Irish nationalist representation on the bench as the | :46:14. | :46:16. | |
House of Commons because Sinn Fein, as Irish republicans, do not take | :46:17. | :46:20. | |
their seats. The last century, the UUP was the fourth largest party in | :46:21. | :46:25. | |
the House of Commons, that is a pub quiz questions and people have been | :46:26. | :46:28. | |
asked excavation up now they are reduced to no MPs. The last time | :46:29. | :46:33. | |
they won two seeds back after going without any MPs for five years, now | :46:34. | :46:43. | |
their tally is zero once more. Thank you very much, Chris, in | :46:44. | :46:45. | |
Belfast, with the latest on the picture in Northern Ireland, which | :46:46. | :46:48. | |
is a very important picture of this Government jigsaw. What will | :46:49. | :46:50. | |
Conservative backbenchers make of it? The former Deputy Speaker Nigel | :46:51. | :46:55. | |
Evans joins us. We are reporting a very unexpected story in some ways, | :46:56. | :47:00. | |
what do you make of it? Totally baffled. Normally when you win 42% | :47:01. | :47:05. | |
of the National vote you expect a big majority, Tony Blair got that | :47:06. | :47:10. | |
with 44%, a landslide. But did not happen for us. The question is why. | :47:11. | :47:14. | |
The answer has to be that the campaign was going absolutely | :47:15. | :47:19. | |
swimmingly until we launched our manifesto. And then on the horizon, | :47:20. | :47:25. | |
way in the distance, the liner heading towards a landslide victory | :47:26. | :47:28. | |
which none of this really believed, we thought we would get a big | :47:29. | :47:33. | |
majority but nothing like 150 or 160, but we steered the line | :47:34. | :47:37. | |
straight towards the iceberg called social care, the triple lock, winter | :47:38. | :47:42. | |
weather payments and, quite frankly, that is all people wanted to talk | :47:43. | :47:45. | |
about. For several days we derailed our own campaign, we very well | :47:46. | :47:51. | |
hijacked our successful campaign and we were not talking about the Labour | :47:52. | :47:54. | |
Party any more or what their policies were, we were talking about | :47:55. | :47:58. | |
social care policies and trying to justify them. Then we had to clarify | :47:59. | :48:02. | |
them and the whole thing went downhill. Who takes responsibility | :48:03. | :48:08. | |
for that? I want to know, I want to know who was responsible for putting | :48:09. | :48:12. | |
that in the manifesto and, quite frankly, there has to be... I know | :48:13. | :48:16. | |
you will want to know whether I support Theresa May, the answer is | :48:17. | :48:25. | |
yes. 43% of the vote, we did remarkably well in Scotland and we | :48:26. | :48:27. | |
were making some games. But the fact is we had a whole range of seats we | :48:28. | :48:31. | |
should have won, we could not win Lancaster and Fleetwood back with | :48:32. | :48:34. | |
only a couple of hundred majority, we could not even win the City of | :48:35. | :48:39. | |
Chester. Loads of our candidates who should have won up and down the | :48:40. | :48:43. | |
country were absolutely slain on the cross of our own manifesto. Big | :48:44. | :48:47. | |
questions will be asked about the governance and the style of | :48:48. | :48:51. | |
governance. We cannot carry on in that way. Had the manifesto with | :48:52. | :48:56. | |
some of those bad traps in its been shown to some of the older, wiser | :48:57. | :49:02. | |
cabinet members before it had been announced, surely it would not have | :49:03. | :49:06. | |
even featured in the manifesto. It has cost us the general election. | :49:07. | :49:10. | |
Noted you expressed support for Theresa May but you would have to | :49:11. | :49:15. | |
acknowledge that she really is the authority behind the manifesto and | :49:16. | :49:18. | |
really there has been a lot of talk about the way that she runs things | :49:19. | :49:23. | |
with a very tight team, the very point you are making about not | :49:24. | :49:27. | |
canvassing opinion more widely. Is it possible to retain authority | :49:28. | :49:31. | |
going into such a very challenging period, not least with the Brexit | :49:32. | :49:37. | |
talks happening in ten days? I believe so and I believe it will be | :49:38. | :49:41. | |
talked about in the 1922 committee. I am one of the joint secretaries to | :49:42. | :49:44. | |
that committee. I am certain Theresa May will want to explain how there | :49:45. | :49:50. | |
will be a change in the way that we will do things. Had some of the | :49:51. | :49:57. | |
Cabinet ministers seem that policy beforehand then surely that's never | :49:58. | :50:01. | |
would have featured in our manifesto at all. Never have I seen a very | :50:02. | :50:07. | |
successful campaign up until that point being hijacked by ourselves. | :50:08. | :50:11. | |
We hijacked our own campaign. From then on it was an absolute disaster. | :50:12. | :50:16. | |
To be clear, if any of your colleagues pop-up asking for the | :50:17. | :50:19. | |
Prime Minister to stand down, you will tell them they are wrong? Yes, | :50:20. | :50:25. | |
I will be supporting Theresa May to come to some coalition deal with the | :50:26. | :50:31. | |
DUP in order that in 11 days' time we will be starting Brexit | :50:32. | :50:37. | |
discussions and, as I said, Theresa got a 43% share of the vote and in | :50:38. | :50:41. | |
normal times that it would have been a very good majority for us. But the | :50:42. | :50:46. | |
fact is that it lots of seats up and down the country it was polarised, | :50:47. | :50:49. | |
the Lib Dems were hammered in the vast majority of seats, in Southport | :50:50. | :50:54. | |
in the north-west where they had held they ended up third and the | :50:55. | :50:59. | |
Conservatives gained that seat. 43% was a very strong percentage but the | :51:00. | :51:03. | |
fact is that the Labour Party were able to talk about all the things | :51:04. | :51:08. | |
they were offering, including free tuition, so lots of young people | :51:09. | :51:11. | |
turned out that normally do not and said they would vote for the Labour | :51:12. | :51:16. | |
Party and they manage 41% of the vote and clung onto lots of the | :51:17. | :51:20. | |
seats that otherwise would have gone the way of the Conservatives. Even | :51:21. | :51:27. | |
in my own seat, my vote was almost 32,000, the biggest it has ever | :51:28. | :51:31. | |
been, but the Labour Party God went up to 18,000, the biggest it has | :51:32. | :51:36. | |
ever been. The Lib Dem and Green votes were crushed, and you can put | :51:37. | :51:42. | |
crushed all over the place, 3% of the national vote. When you would | :51:43. | :51:46. | |
normally expect the Ukip vote to mostly come to the Conservative | :51:47. | :51:50. | |
Party, that simply did not happen. On a number of doorsteps I heard | :51:51. | :51:56. | |
people say I voted for Ukip before, I was going to vote Conservative but | :51:57. | :51:59. | |
now I have seen what you are going to do, what you have put in your | :52:00. | :52:03. | |
manifesto, what you will do to my winter weather payments, I am not | :52:04. | :52:10. | |
coming with you. That cost us lots of seats. Good to | :52:11. | :52:13. | |
talk to you, Nigel Evans, thank you. The former Conservative Cabinet | :52:14. | :52:15. | |
Minister Nicky Morgan joins us. Thank you. What do you think of the | :52:16. | :52:22. | |
position this morning? Clearly it was stunning, a huge | :52:23. | :52:26. | |
shock to everybody, you could see that on the faces throughout the | :52:27. | :52:30. | |
night. This is clearly not the result that any of us wanted when | :52:31. | :52:34. | |
the Prime Minister called the election way back in April. It has | :52:35. | :52:38. | |
been eight at seven weeks and I want to say that I really feel for | :52:39. | :52:44. | |
colleagues who have lost their seats -- it has been a tough seven weeks. | :52:45. | :52:49. | |
Force India who has been an MP for two, seven or ten years -- for | :52:50. | :52:55. | |
somebody who has been an MP for two, seven or ten years and then not to | :52:56. | :52:59. | |
be, it is age Mendis shock and we all feel for them. -- it is a | :53:00. | :53:07. | |
tremendous shock. We have discussed Theresa May's position with Nigel | :53:08. | :53:12. | |
Evans, what are your thoughts on how she can carry on? Do you acknowledge | :53:13. | :53:17. | |
her authority has been badly damaged by this result? This is a result | :53:18. | :53:21. | |
that she absolutely did not want and none of us wanted. That will make | :53:22. | :53:26. | |
life difficult. I think she should carry on, I think she is entitled as | :53:27. | :53:31. | |
Prime Minister to see if she is able to form a Government. I think there | :53:32. | :53:36. | |
has been talk and I came in as you were talking about the DUP and a | :53:37. | :53:39. | |
potential coalition with them, it is right that she does. I think people | :53:40. | :53:45. | |
want there to be parity about leadership, we have the very | :53:46. | :53:48. | |
important Brexit negotiations starting in 11 days, there is a | :53:49. | :53:53. | |
Cabinet in place, in David Davis we have a Brexit Secretary who stop the | :53:54. | :53:57. | |
negotiations, I think that should happen. Nigel is right, there will | :53:58. | :54:01. | |
be discussion within the Conservative Party about the | :54:02. | :54:04. | |
campaign. Can you tell viewers today that | :54:05. | :54:07. | |
following this campaign and, indeed, some events that happened before the | :54:08. | :54:12. | |
campaign, that you have confidence in Theresa May's leadership this | :54:13. | :54:17. | |
morning? I think that Theresa May is | :54:18. | :54:22. | |
absolutely a competent, a more than capable Prime Minister and leader of | :54:23. | :54:25. | |
the party but clearly there has been a misjudgement in the way that we | :54:26. | :54:31. | |
started off thinking there would be a significant win for the | :54:32. | :54:33. | |
Conservative Party, that has not happened and we need to understand | :54:34. | :54:38. | |
why. There are two things, having a Government prepared to negotiate | :54:39. | :54:41. | |
Brexit, which I think most people in the country wants to see, and there | :54:42. | :54:45. | |
is what will happen in the Conservative Party, which is for us | :54:46. | :54:48. | |
to deal with, I am not sure it is of great wider interest to the | :54:49. | :54:54. | |
electorate. Thank you, Nicky Morgan, the former Conservative Cabinet | :54:55. | :54:56. | |
minister. Peter Kelly has joined us, a quick thought? The polls before | :54:57. | :55:04. | |
the exit poll on the whole set the Conservatives would win big. Two | :55:05. | :55:09. | |
years ago when I was a pollster, we got it badly wrong, we said would be | :55:10. | :55:12. | |
a hung parliament and it was not. Most of the polls have gone the | :55:13. | :55:19. | |
other way this time, two pollsters can hold their heads up high, the | :55:20. | :55:24. | |
first is one of the newer companies which has consistently said for the | :55:25. | :55:32. | |
last two days it was a very tight race, and the other is my old | :55:33. | :55:36. | |
company, YouGov. They did something very brave and innovative, they | :55:37. | :55:41. | |
collected answers from 50,000 people, 7000 today, and enquired in | :55:42. | :55:43. | |
great detail into the demographics of it and then produced, very | :55:44. | :55:49. | |
bravely, a look at each constituency. They were mocked when | :55:50. | :55:53. | |
they said Amber Rudd might be in trouble in Hastings, she was. They | :55:54. | :55:56. | |
were mocked when they said Labour might win Canterbury for the first | :55:57. | :55:59. | |
time ever, it did. They were mocked when they said Labour was ahead in | :56:00. | :56:05. | |
Enfield Southgate, it has won Enfield Southgate. My old company, | :56:06. | :56:08. | |
nothing to do with me now, did something very brave and got it | :56:09. | :56:12. | |
right. Even a newspaper which commissioned the polls did not quite | :56:13. | :56:16. | |
believe them. The Times kept saying this is a very brave unsurprising | :56:17. | :56:23. | |
poll. -- brave and surprising poll. We will pick up the polling point in | :56:24. | :56:28. | |
more detail, because it is interesting, you mentioned the | :56:29. | :56:31. | |
Times, Andy, and Andrew Neil hasn't guests from the breast, let's join | :56:32. | :56:35. | |
him. We do indeed, Huw. It is raining in | :56:36. | :56:40. | |
Westminster, public Tory tears given the state of the election result, | :56:41. | :56:44. | |
lots of weeping and gnashing of teeth but we have two while members | :56:45. | :56:48. | |
of Her Majesty's press, Kevin Maguire of the mirror, James Forsyth | :56:49. | :56:52. | |
the Spectator. James, let me come to you. Malfunctioning Maybot, the | :56:53. | :57:04. | |
people say no, wrong can she survive as Prime Minister? That is a | :57:05. | :57:07. | |
question the Cabinet were debating in the early hours of Blast. Some | :57:08. | :57:10. | |
people thought she had to try to carry on in the national interest | :57:11. | :57:13. | |
with the Brexit negotiation so close, others thought she went to | :57:14. | :57:17. | |
the country seeking a majority and a mandate and she got neither, but I | :57:18. | :57:24. | |
think she will carry on for a short period. The Tory party want to get | :57:25. | :57:28. | |
back into office, they do not want another election in the autumn. They | :57:29. | :57:32. | |
worry that the momentum is with Labour and another election will be | :57:33. | :57:36. | |
even worse than them. That happened in 1974 when Mr Wilson won leg, it | :57:37. | :57:40. | |
was a hung parliament but by October he had won a small overall majority. | :57:41. | :57:46. | |
I do not think the Tories think that is an option, I think she will do a | :57:47. | :57:52. | |
deal with the DUP and governed for a period. The authorities she had has | :57:53. | :57:56. | |
gone now. Even those in the Cabinet who say they want her to stay are | :57:57. | :58:00. | |
talking about how the style of number ten has to change, it has to | :58:01. | :58:03. | |
be genuinely collective decision-making. This would be a | :58:04. | :58:06. | |
very different Premiership from the one she has had to date. She has | :58:07. | :58:15. | |
never changed, why should we she tried to make a great virtue of that | :58:16. | :58:18. | |
in the campaign, it has backfired hugely. We are old enough to | :58:19. | :58:26. | |
remember -- we are old enough to run but that she said she had no | :58:27. | :58:29. | |
intention of calling a general election. When she say she has no | :58:30. | :58:33. | |
intention of resigning we take it with a pinch of salt. We know she | :58:34. | :58:37. | |
will never fight another election. The Tories are wonderfully ruthless, | :58:38. | :58:41. | |
that is why they have been in power for most of the last century. At | :58:42. | :58:45. | |
some point they will push her and she is gone from somebody who had a | :58:46. | :58:49. | |
magic spell, broken completely, her authority is shot to pieces. By | :58:50. | :58:56. | |
seeking to consummate the marriage she has entered the honeymoon with | :58:57. | :58:59. | |
the public and her own party. One of the thing saving her is that there | :59:00. | :59:04. | |
is no obvious alternative. Philip Hammond is not a more charismatic | :59:05. | :59:08. | |
politician than Theresa May. Is he still around, I haven't seen him? Is | :59:09. | :59:14. | |
he still Chancellor? He is probably laughing now. His fingerprints are | :59:15. | :59:20. | |
not on this. He was human gated. David Davis is getting a lot of lame | :59:21. | :59:25. | |
because he was one of those urging her to go for the early election, he | :59:26. | :59:28. | |
said it is much more sensible for the sake of the Brexit timetable, so | :59:29. | :59:34. | |
he is tainted by that. There is a Brexit backlash element, Boris | :59:35. | :59:38. | |
Johnson has a ?350 million problem, Amber Rudd, one of the Tories who | :59:39. | :59:41. | |
enhance their reputation chewing the campaign, has a wafer thin majority | :59:42. | :59:46. | |
in Hastings and there is a question about whether you can be a Prime | :59:47. | :59:50. | |
Minister when your constituency is so small. Ruth Davidson, who has | :59:51. | :59:57. | |
come out of this with her reputation enhanced, is not even an MP. John | :59:58. | :00:00. | |
McDonnell told me earlier that they are on stand-by to form a minority | :00:01. | :00:06. | |
government, but no deals with the SNP or the Lib Dems or the Greens? | :00:07. | :00:10. | |
That is not have a minority government works, by definition you | :00:11. | :00:14. | |
need to do deals? There would be a lot of backroom deals, I think he | :00:15. | :00:19. | |
means no formal coalition as we saw between the Conservatives | :00:20. | :00:20. |