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from me, David Dimbleby, here's the news witty Louise Minchin.

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Theresa May's decision to call a snap election has backfired

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as the UK wakes up to a hung parliament.

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The Conservatives have lost their majority,

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Labour has done better than expected.

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And Jeremy Corbyn has called for Theresa May to resign.

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The Prime Minister says the country needs stability.

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The night saw both Alex Salmond and Nick Clegg lose their seats.

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Our political correspondent Tom Bateman's report

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A political gamble - the hope that she would transform

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the Tories' fragile advantage in Parliament with a huge win.

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But the smiles of the campaign trail have vanished.

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Forecasts suggest the Conservatives may end up even worse off,

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If, as the indications have shown, if this is correct,

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that the Conservative Party has won the most seats, and probably

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the most votes, then it will be incumbent on us to ensure we have

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that period of stability, and that is what we will do.

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And you can see what the Labour leader makes

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A man whose campaign confounded many expectations.

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Beaming smiles, with Labour on course for a far better

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The Prime Minister called the election because

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Well, the mandate she's got is lost Conservative seats,

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lost votes, lost support, and lost confidence.

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I would have thought that is enough to go, actually.

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In Battersea, Labour have ousted a government

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Labour held Cambridge, increasing their majority by 12,000. They took

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Peterburg from the Conservatives, boosting their share of the vote by

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12%. The Home Secretary Amber Rudd

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only just scraped home In Sheffield, the Lib Dem's former

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leader Nick Clegg has lost his seat. I, of course, have encountered this

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evening something that many people have encountered before tonight,

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and I suspect many people will encounter after tonight,

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which is in politics you live by the sword and you

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die by the sword. The night began with

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a projection - the exit poll. This morning, with most seats

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counted, the BBC forecasts the Conservatives as the largest party

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but short of an overall majority. The SNP have lost on a disappointing

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night. The SNP have lost big names

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on a disappointing night, compared with their Scottish

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landslide two years ago. Their Deputy Leader Angus Robertson

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was ousted by the Conservatives and their former leader Alex Salmond

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lost his seat too. Now one of Theresa May's own MPs

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is laying the blame on her. I think she's in a very

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difficult place. She's a remarkable and a very

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talented woman, and she doesn't shy from difficult decisions,

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but she now has to The festival of democracy has been

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on full show, as have the upsets. Theresa May arrived at party HQ

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knowing there are those who say this result should be the end of her

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Premiership. Now dawn breaks on renewed political uncertainty. Mrs

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may wanted a strong, stable and triumphant return to Westminster

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ahead of Brexit talks. She has ended up weakened, with fewer MPs and

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calls for her to go. In Northern Ireland, both the SDLP

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and the Ulster Unionist Party It was a successful night

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for the largest parties. The Democratic Unionist Party won

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ten seats, Sinn Fein won seven seats but will continue to abstain

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from sitting in Parliament. The result could see the DUP play

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a key role in any potential coalition negotiations

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with the Conservative Party. In Wales, the Labour Party had

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a strong night, taking back a number The results represent

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a blow to the Tories, who had hoped to make

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gains in pro-Brexit areas. Plaid Cymru won four seats,

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and the Liberal Democrats Meanwhile, Ukip have failed to win

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any seats in Parliament. Their share of the vote

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collapsed across Britain, and their leader Paul Nuttall came

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third in Boston and Skegness. The Green Party remain

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unchanged, with one seat. The party co-leader Caroline Lucas,

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who held Brighton Pavilion, said the Greens will never support

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a Tory government. The Greens are forecast

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to win 2% of the vote. As the markets across Europe open

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this morning, traders will react They are bracing themselves for a

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volatile day. Overnight, sterling suffered one

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of its biggest falls since January, sinking at one point

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to a low of almost 2% against the dollar and the euro

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after the initial exit poll. Let's take a look at this morning's

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weather, with Matt Taylor. Good morning, well, weather-wise, a

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brighter day across the UK. A bit more sunshine. A few showers so

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don't leave home without the umbrella. Showers across western

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England, Wales and Northern Ireland, working eastwards, into central and

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eastern England for the late morning and afternoon. Some heavy and

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thundery. Scotland starts work at turning more dry and right. Cloudy

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in the north and east. Temperatures 17-22, tonight the rain will spread

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in from the west across the country. Saturday, a wet start to the weekend

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across western areas. Time now to cross

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over to Huw Edwards. A very good morning from the BBC

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Election Centre. It has been a long and very eventful night. Let me tell

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you, it's going to be a long and very eventful day as well, because

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nothing has turned out as people expected. Even until that late hour

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of 9.55 last night. If you are just joining us on BBC One, let me show

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you the state of play. The screen on the Houses of

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Parliament tells us clearly that Theresa May has lost the majority

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she went into this election with. We are looking at a hung parliament.

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326 is the finishing line. That is the magic number you need to be in a

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majority in the House of Commons. But the Conservatives will not be

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there. It is, however, likely that if they combined with the Unionists

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in Northern Ireland, they can get past the finishing line in some

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form. But believe me, we are nowhere near that yet. A few results to

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come. I will introduce my guests. Let's say this mildly, there is

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quite a lot for us to talk about today. With me, Norah O'Donnell, the

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former Cabinet Secretary. It is good to have you with us. -- Lord

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O'Donnell. You can shed light on the turmoil going on in Downing Street

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today when they think about that permutations. Jo Coburn, my

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Westminster colleague, giving us analysis and bringing us up to date

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with what is going on. And Andrew Marr, of the BBC, is with us. We are

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going to Richmond Park for the declaration first.

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I declare the total number of votes is as follows. Zac Goldsmith,

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Conservative Party, 28,000 588. Peter Joule, Ukip, 426. Sarah Olney,

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Liberal Democrats, 28,543. The total number of ballot papers

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rejected was 131. Because votes were given for more than one candidate,

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19. Because they were unmarked or void, 112. The turnout was 79.3%. I

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hereby declare that the said Zac Goldsmith is Julie elected as Member

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of Parliament for the Richmond Park constituency.

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A majority of just 45, a very high turnout of 79%. Sarah Olney, of the

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Lib Dems, who won the by-election, pipped at the post by Zac Goldsmith,

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who is re-elected in this part of South London. I just want to start

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by thanking the returning officer for organising what was a very

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difficult process. And all of the counters, many of whom are still

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here today. You will be delighted to know that is the end of the

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counting. I am very grateful to them and the returning officer for their

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extremely hard work. They have ensured the election has been safe

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and effective and smooth, and we are very grateful to them. Before I talk

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about my own team, I want to pay tribute to my fellow candidates,

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particularly Sarah Olney, my predecessor. That sounds a bit odd,

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but my predecessor. And my fellow candidate Peter, who is not here

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now, but a pleasure meeting him and Cate and I wish all three the best.

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I cannot stand here and not thank my own campaign team. People have given

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up five weeks, night and day, just simply from the goodness of their

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heart. Working their fingers to the bone to deliver this result. This is

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their results. The fact it is such a narrow margin, I think, means

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effectively that this is owned by all of us. It is extraordinary and I

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am just so grateful to all of you. But more than anything, I am

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grateful to my constituents for having put their trust in me again.

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I hope they know I will never let them down. We have the most special

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community in the world. Representing this community is an unimaginable,

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incalculable honour, and something I am so excited about doing over the

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next five years. We have challenges, but so many opportunities, and I

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look forward to working with all of you to ensure that we take advantage

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of those opportunities. Thank you very much indeed. Zac Goldsmith,

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returned as the Conservative MP for Richmond Park. A few words from

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Sarah Olney, the loser by 45 votes. He won the by-election there just a

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few months ago. Back to the studio. That is within the results we were

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forecasting. We now have the Conservatives on a forecast of 318,

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eight short of the 326 needed. Let me underline again at 7.13 on Friday

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morning that Theresa May has lost the majority she went into the

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election with, against lots of the expectations. So the day will really

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be focusing on what kind of government we are looking at, and

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indeed whether Theresa May will be heading that government. Andrew

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Marr, your thoughts at this stage. The second most important question

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is does Theresa May stay as Prime Minister? She has met Cabinet

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colleagues already this morning and the advice strongly is she has a

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duty to stay and hold the Government together. You cannot go into a Tory

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party leadership contest with the hullabaloo and mayhem that would

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involve right before Brexit negotiations. Which leads me to the

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single most important question, what happens to the Brexit talks? A Prime

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Minister has no -- who has no authority in the House of Commons,

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to deliver the kind of compromise she is going to be asked for, that

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is why we had the election, and now she has two govern with almost

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certainly the DUP from Northern Ireland. The DUP's Arlene Foster

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takes a very different view on things like immigration control, the

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single market, hard borders. I have talked to senior members of the

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Conservative government who don't believe it will be possible to

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deliver the kind of Brexit deal they have been planning in these new

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circumstances, because they have a coalition in the House of Commons

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which includes everyone from Tory Remainers like Anna Soubry and Ken

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Clarke, the DUP, and very hard-core Brexiteers... How does that

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coalition deliver a clear negotiating position? It probably

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means a period of very, very slow-moving negotiation, and no deal

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possibly, and certainly not a hard Brexit or the soft Brexit that many

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people think can emerge out of this. Gus O'Donnell, I am wondering, your

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successor as Cabinet Secretary today, looking at this set of

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results... Clearly there is enormous uncertainty. What is going on there

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right now? I am pleased because, from the lessons of 2010 and the

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coalition, we have always prepared for all possible outcomes. So they

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will have gone through this one. The numbers here are particularly

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difficult. It's quite clear. It looks to me we are talking about

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minority government. We are talking about a situation where the Prime

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Minister, this is very important, the Prime Minister has to stay as

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Prime Minister for now. Short-term, it's very important that we have a

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Prime Minister. Those negotiations on Brexit will be nonexistent. And I

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think the reason we need to think about this is, think of it from the

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other point of view. It takes two sides to negotiate. The EU I going

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to say, well, who are we negotiating with? Will this Prime Minister be

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around? What is their position? Fall of the good reasons Andrew said, I

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don't think there is a position. What the EU is very good at is lots

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of process and no substance. There will be view was watching and

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thinking, hang on a second, Article 50 has been triggered and there is a

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strict timetable. So there is a limit to how much you can delay and

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fudge? Exactly. So, eventually we will get

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to that two-year deadline, which can only be extended if the 27 agree on

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it, starts to bite. But that is a very asymmetric process. It is

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really good for the 27, because they will threaten us with, OK, no deal,

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you're out, WTO terms, that's very bad for us. So this is not good news

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for our Brexit negotiations. One of the ironies about the campaign was,

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it was supposed to be the Brexit election, that is how Theresa May

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describe it, she wanted to have an even bigger mandate. But actually,

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until the very end, the last few days, we heard very little about

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Brexit, we heard very little about the shape of the Brexit negotiations

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which Theresa May wanted to take the country towards. Yes, coming out of

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the single market, yes, perhaps coming out of the customs union,

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too. So, in a way, the 27 would not know exactly what was on the table.

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And now, Theresa May will have to rethink on all sorts of levels, if

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she stays, which she will have to, for the short-term, what is she

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going to do within her own team? There will be those who say, you

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need to listen to us a little more carefully. May be Philip Hammond,

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there were rumours she was going to reshuffle him out of the Cabinet -

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that looks very unlikely now. Boris Johnson may have a bigger say. That

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small team around Theresa May is not going to be able to wield the kind

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of power and control... That system has gone. I think so, without a

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shadow of a doubt, and that is going to have a big impact on the

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negotiations. And I think the most important single cabinet minister

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now is David Davis... Mr Corbyn is just emerging... This is in north

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London, of course, where Mr Corbyn lives. Just waving and looking, I

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think it is fair to say, Andrew Marr, rather pleased with things,

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although we must underline, they actually lost the election! They

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did. All the way through, Jeremy Corbyn slightly undercooked the

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triumphalist bit, and people like that, he comes across as quite

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humble, slightly surprised that where he is and so far -- so forth,

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that is part of what has gone so well in this election for him. I was

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going to say, David Davis, as the Brexit minister, he is the one who

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understands how far these negotiations have got, what the

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Brexit department looks like, what the really difficult issues are.

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From now on, it's going to be are really, really hard business of

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party management, on the one hand in the House of Commons, while trying

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to do these negotiations, on the other. It means every single time

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the EU comes to the British side and says, we can give you this or that,

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we have to ask ourselves, will the Conservative Party where it? I have

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been covering elections since 1983. If there is one really predictable

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headline, it is, Conservative Party at war over Europe. It has been the

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case all the way through and it still is. Just something on the

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logistics of this morning. So, Theresa May, if she agrees to stay

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on as the Prime Minister, and you seem to be suggesting that that

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would be the will within government, for however long that is, will there

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be a visit to the Palace, all the kind of stuff we see normally on the

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morning after an election, will that happen? Well, it is not certain one

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way or the other. If I were Cabinet Secretary, I would be advising the

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Prime Minister to go to the Palace and explain to the Queen the

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situation and explain how she is going to manage at least the next

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few days and the run-up to the Queen's Speech. Issue going to try

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and go to the House? The key in our political system is, who has got the

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confidence of the House of Commons? Who can get the Queen's Speech

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through? I think she would be very well advised to go to the Palace and

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explain tactics. And another quick thought, just on the planning - if

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they are looking at some kind of agreement, not a formal coalition

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but some kind of agreement, with, let's say, the Ulster Unionists,

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would the senior civil servants be part of trying to set out some kind

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of informal deal or not? Again, that is up to... So, when we did the

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coalition, we facilitated the Conservatives and the Lib Dems

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coming together, but in the end they decided to have their meetings in a

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room with no civil servants there. . At this moment, do you not expect

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there will be somebody inside Downing Street with the DUP

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manifesto on the desk, going through it and saying, Arlene Foster said

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this or, ...? I am fairly certain they already will have done that.

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You know that the DUP is crucial. We have been here before as well.

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Before, the text was the Cabinet manual, I think now, people will be

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going back and watching the House, because this is more mid-1970s.

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Let's pause for a moment. The story of the night is that the

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Conservatives underperformed rather dramatically, but Labour made some

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rather dramatic gains as well. Let's talk through some of those games

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with Emily. Seeing those pictures of Jeremy Corbyn just a few moments

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ago, I was reminded of one of the things we learned from the US

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presidential election, which is sometimes, you have got to follow

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the noise. All the noise on that campaign was with Donald Trump. I am

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not making any comparisons, except to say that if you are at the way it

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was going up to the last few weeks, the noise, the buzz, was definitely

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with Jeremy Corbyn. And if you have woken up and wondering what happened

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last night, I can show you how we have got to where we are, with some

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of that noise which has translated into real and extraordinary gains.

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The first one I am going to start with is Canterbury. This has been

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Conservative since World War I. Julian Brazier has been the sitting

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MP since 1987. They had a majority of nearly 10,000, and Labour has

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gained it on a majority of just 187. It is an extraordinary thing for

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them to take, it was number 104 on their target list. And another one,

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this should ring bells for anyone who remembers 1997 and that Portillo

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moment. I'm not drawing any comparisons with 1997, or between

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Blair and Corbyn, except to say, Enfield Southgate is back on the

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radar again. It was safe Conservative, it goes Labour often

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in landslide kind of votes. It had a Conservative majority of nearly

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5000. Now replaced by Labour. Stroud, also on the Labour target

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list. Battersea, an area of London which is gentrifying, it has got

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posh housing coming through, it should have been very easy Tory

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hold, but Labour has outperformed itself even in London. The Treasury

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Minister Jane Ellison loses out and Labour games to seek, a key

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marginal. In Scotland, Rutherglen and Hamilton West has been taken

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from the SNP. 9% swing towards Labour. Kirkcaldy, Gordon Brown's

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old seat, another game for Labour from the SNP. Even bigger swing,

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nearly 10%. Glasgow North East, this was an SNP gain from Labour in 2015,

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this was the biggest swing of the election, 39%, and Labour has

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overturned that this time round. 13% swing back to Labour. They have had

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an astonishing night both in England and Scotland, with these sorts of

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seats changing hands. Emily, taking us through some of the notable gains

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mall there is a big story to talk about in Scotland, and we will be

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looking at in the next minutes. Let's join Andrew Neil on the Green

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with some guests. Thanks, it is a glorious day here in the heart of

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Westminster. We are just across the road from the Palace of Westminster.

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I am joined by John Redwood, the trend Tory backbencher, and Philip

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the, a minister in the Ministry of Justice. John Redwood, what went

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wrong? I think people look at what Mr Corbyn was saying, and they said,

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we would like a bit more spent on public services, and the students

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loved the idea of not having to pay student fees, although it was not

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quite clear how the country was going to afford all of that. And so

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we got this interesting answer, the country said, yes, they want a

:25:25.:25:28.

Conservative government, they like Theresa May, because we are the

:25:29.:25:32.

biggest party... They didn't! And we will have a fair majority in the new

:25:33.:25:35.

House of Commons. The British people...! They also listened to

:25:36.:25:41.

what Mr Corbyn has been saying, because they would like a bit more

:25:42.:25:45.

spent on public services, and I'm sure that is something we will

:25:46.:25:50.

review very carefully! Pretty disastrous decision, to have a

:25:51.:25:53.

working majority, call an election and lose that working majority? I

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was very supportive of Theresa May calling the election, she needed a

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personal mandate, a mandate to do the Brexit deal. She didn't get it!

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No, she didn't get it, and I would not be as up eight as John appears

:26:09.:26:12.

to be. Nobody has hosted this election. I think what is clear is

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that we have a number of seats to form a government, we WILL form this

:26:17.:26:21.

next government, in combination probably with the DUP, I am

:26:22.:26:25.

guessing. But we shouldn't say, continue as we've been doing. The

:26:26.:26:31.

idea that we shouldn't change our approach, off the back of this

:26:32.:26:34.

result, I think is ludicrous. What would you change? I think I would

:26:35.:26:41.

change, I think there is a very tight team, I think it needs a

:26:42.:26:45.

broader base. It is difficult to interpret the results, but I was in

:26:46.:26:51.

a seat which voted Remain in 2015, the seat itself was probably

:26:52.:26:54.

narrowly Brexit, the results I was getting on the doorstep was very

:26:55.:26:58.

large numbers of unhappy Conservative Remain photos. And in

:26:59.:27:04.

addition to that, there were lots of young people, in groups, turning up

:27:05.:27:07.

at polling stations in my patch, and the Labour vote has almost doubled.

:27:08.:27:12.

I cannot in all honesty say that we should just continue along the same

:27:13.:27:16.

path. But I can say that Theresa May should remain Prime Minister for how

:27:17.:27:22.

long? I not going to put a time on it. As John has said, there is

:27:23.:27:27.

clearly a difference in the number of seats the Conservative Party have

:27:28.:27:33.

won, compared to the Labour Party. But she is holed below the water

:27:34.:27:40.

line! By what standard could what she has done be regarded as a wise

:27:41.:27:44.

decision? This has not been a good result for us, that is pretty

:27:45.:27:49.

obvious. Why DID you get this outcome, what went wrong? I have

:27:50.:27:53.

just tried to explain that. I think there is clearly an aspect of the

:27:54.:27:57.

youth vote, I saw that myself on the ground. And in part I suspect that

:27:58.:28:02.

is to do with the tuition fees policy of the Labour Party. But you

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only have to look at the result in Battersea, in Putney, and indeed in

:28:08.:28:11.

my own part of the world, we have lost a fantastic colleague in

:28:12.:28:14.

Reading East, Reading East posted strongly to remain. If you want to

:28:15.:28:22.

look at a result which indicates what went wrong, look at that result

:28:23.:28:29.

in Reading. This is me said she needed a mandate for the two begin

:28:30.:28:33.

negotiations - she hasn't got a result for the Brexit negotiations,

:28:34.:28:38.

so where does that leave her? I think this is also about spending

:28:39.:28:41.

and the attitude towards the public services. If people had thought the

:28:42.:28:45.

main thing they wanted to do was to reverse the referendum, they would

:28:46.:28:50.

have voted Lib Dem in droves. That was a very clear, straightforward

:28:51.:28:53.

proposition, let's have a second referendum, let's stay in the single

:28:54.:28:58.

market. But she wanted a mandate?! They were both running on more less

:28:59.:29:01.

the same proposition, that you accept the verdict of the

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referendum, and you know that means you leave the single market but you

:29:05.:29:08.

want the best possible free-trade access. So I think, because of the

:29:09.:29:14.

combined Conservative and Labour vote, there is a very, very strong

:29:15.:29:17.

national mandate to get on with delivering what the public voted

:29:18.:29:21.

for, and to have that best possible solution. Let's not rewrite history.

:29:22.:29:27.

Let's just remind ourselves come this election was called because Mrs

:29:28.:29:33.

May wanted a Brexit mandate to go into the negotiations. Instead of a

:29:34.:29:38.

Brexit mandate, she lost her majority to go where is the

:29:39.:29:44.

mandate?! I am just explaining, Andrew, yes, she wanted to get out

:29:45.:29:49.

big overall majority, but Brexit mandate lies in the fact that the

:29:50.:29:54.

main parties went around the country saying, we can't stand Brexit, we

:29:55.:29:59.

need a second vote, were roundly defeated, and the people voted for

:30:00.:30:02.

the two parties who both said the same thing - accept the Brexit

:30:03.:30:06.

verdict and get the best possible deal and remember that we are not

:30:07.:30:09.

leaving Europe, we are just leaving the EU. That was a very clear

:30:10.:30:13.

proposition which the British people signed up to. And in Scotland, they

:30:14.:30:19.

clearly rejected a second referendum on Scottish independence. It is a

:30:20.:30:22.

sign of how bad the campaign has been for you that you did better in

:30:23.:30:25.

Scotland and England, when did you think you would say that?! This I

:30:26.:30:29.

would say to you is a disastrous personal result for Mrs May. She

:30:30.:30:33.

began this campaign very popular, but the moment people got to know

:30:34.:30:36.

her and see her, they didn't rate her any more and her ratings

:30:37.:30:40.

collapsed and her party's ratings collapsed, so her job must surely be

:30:41.:30:42.

on the line? No. It has been a tough campaign.

:30:43.:30:54.

But she secured 43% of the vote, and that has not happened since 2001.

:30:55.:30:59.

Between the two, the country has decided Theresa May should be the

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Prime Minister, not Jeremy Corbyn. The country's decision is we are not

:31:05.:31:10.

sure. I'm not sure there has been a clear decision about what the

:31:11.:31:13.

country wants in terms of policy, but I think you can conclude that

:31:14.:31:17.

once I'd got more votes than the other, so therefore the Prime

:31:18.:31:23.

Minister should stay put. -- that once I'd got more than the other. --

:31:24.:31:29.

one side got more than the other. It is not about whether we Brexit or

:31:30.:31:34.

not. It is about the type of Brexit. The clarity is not there. The Labour

:31:35.:31:41.

position is different from our position, different from the Liberal

:31:42.:31:44.

Democrat position, different from the SNP. Everybody is different. To

:31:45.:31:48.

sit here and claim that you know what the British public wants from

:31:49.:31:59.

the Brexit deal is nonsense. Do I think Theresa May remains Prime

:32:00.:32:04.

Minister? Most certainly I do. But I recognise that in view of this

:32:05.:32:07.

result, we can't maintain the same approach. We can't just stay the

:32:08.:32:11.

same, otherwise what was the result all about? She will only stay by

:32:12.:32:15.

Minister if she can put together some sort of coalition, a deal with

:32:16.:32:22.

the DUP, in other words we might have a coalition of chaos under the

:32:23.:32:27.

Conservatives. Absolutely no way. It sounds as if she will have enough

:32:28.:32:30.

votes to govern without having a formal coalition with anybody. She

:32:31.:32:34.

will have to have arrangements in place. Why? Otherwise she will be a

:32:35.:32:45.

minority government. If you take out the seven Sinn Fein members who

:32:46.:32:48.

don't come to Parliament, the Speaker and so on, she will have

:32:49.:32:52.

enough votes to remain as Prime Minister and have considerably more

:32:53.:32:55.

seats than the Labour Party. It's going to be a busy day in

:32:56.:32:59.

Westminster. The Conservatives trying to come to grips with a

:33:00.:33:01.

result they never expected. Thank you, Andrew. While he was

:33:02.:33:11.

talking to his guests at the Palace of Westminster, the latest word from

:33:12.:33:18.

Downing Street, Jo? Laura Kuenssberg, our political editor,

:33:19.:33:21.

says the timing of has no intention of resigning. Working on forming a

:33:22.:33:25.

government being the largest party in seats and votes. That is the

:33:26.:33:32.

latest word. Official in that sense. We can explore what is underneath

:33:33.:33:36.

that statement, but that is from Downing Street and it's the latest.

:33:37.:33:41.

We will discuss that with Gus and Andy in a moment. It is 7.30, a

:33:42.:33:45.

quick update of the news. Theresa May's decision

:33:46.:33:50.

to call a snap election has backfired as the UK wakes up

:33:51.:33:52.

to a hung parliament. Some pollsters had predicted at the

:33:53.:34:04.

start of the campaign that Mrs May would win a landslide for the

:34:05.:34:08.

Conservatives. Instead they have lost their majority.

:34:09.:34:10.

They will head back to Westminster as the largest party but with 12

:34:11.:34:13.

Speaking as she was re-elected to her seat in Maidenhead,

:34:14.:34:18.

the Prime Minister said the country needed stability.

:34:19.:34:22.

As we look ahead, and we wait to see what the final results will be,

:34:23.:34:26.

I know that, as I say, the country needs

:34:27.:34:29.

a period of stability, and whatever the results are,

:34:30.:34:33.

the Conservative Party will ensure that we fulfil our duty

:34:34.:34:38.

in ensuring that stability, so that we can all, as one country,

:34:39.:34:42.

Labour have done better than expected, gaining around 30 seats.

:34:43.:34:50.

The party now have 261 seats overall.

:34:51.:34:59.

In Islington North, the leader Jeremy Corbyn held his seat

:35:00.:35:01.

He's calling on Theresa May to resign.

:35:02.:35:09.

If there is a message from tonight's result, it's this. The Prime

:35:10.:35:15.

Minister called the election because she wanted a mandate. Well, the

:35:16.:35:21.

mandate she's got is last Conservative seats, lost votes, lost

:35:22.:35:24.

support and lost confidence. I would have thought that's enough to go,

:35:25.:35:29.

actually, and make way for a government that will be truly

:35:30.:35:34.

representative of all of the people of this country.

:35:35.:35:38.

One major political figure to lose his seat was Nick Clegg.

:35:39.:35:40.

The former Liberal Democrat leader and Deputy Prime Minister

:35:41.:35:42.

lost his Sheffield Hallam seat to Labour.

:35:43.:35:45.

Elsewhere, the Lib Dems made gains, former minsters Vince Cable

:35:46.:35:47.

and Jo Swinson have both taken back the seats they lost in 2015.

:35:48.:35:50.

The party's leader Tim Farron held onto his seat

:35:51.:35:53.

The Scottish National Party has endured a series of shock defeats,

:35:54.:36:03.

including the loss of its former First Minister Alex Salmond

:36:04.:36:07.

They both their seats amid a Scottish Conservative surge.

:36:08.:36:12.

The party's best performance in Scotland since 1983.

:36:13.:36:17.

First Minister Nicola Sturgeon said that the losses were a blow

:36:18.:36:21.

to her and the SNP, indicating she had some reflecting to do on key

:36:22.:36:25.

In Northern Ireland, both the SDLP and the Ulster Unionist

:36:26.:36:33.

It was a successful night for the largest parties.

:36:34.:36:40.

The Democratic Unionist Party won ten seats and Sinn

:36:41.:36:43.

Fein won seven seats but will continue to abstain

:36:44.:36:45.

The result could see the DUP play a key role in any potential

:36:46.:36:51.

coalition negotiations with the Conservative Party.

:36:52.:36:54.

In Wales, the Labour Party had a strong night taking back a number

:36:55.:36:57.

The results represent a blow to the Tory party, who had hoped

:36:58.:37:04.

Plaid Cymru won four seats, and the Liberal Democrats

:37:05.:37:09.

Meanwhile, Ukip have failed to win any seats in Parliament.

:37:10.:37:18.

Their share of the vote collapsed across Britain,

:37:19.:37:21.

and their leader Paul Nuttall came third in Boston and Skegness.

:37:22.:37:27.

Traders in the City of London are bracing

:37:28.:37:29.

themselves for a volatile day following the election result.

:37:30.:37:32.

The pound has suffered one of its biggest falls since January

:37:33.:37:36.

trading down by almost 2% against the dollar.

:37:37.:37:40.

The stock market is due to open at 8am with shares expected to rise

:37:41.:37:44.

This morning the EU's budget commissioner said the hung

:37:45.:37:47.

parliament could delay Brexit talks which are scheduled

:37:48.:37:50.

Theresa May is now back in Downing Street.

:37:51.:37:57.

The Prime Minister travelled from her Berkshire constituency

:37:58.:38:00.

to Conservative central office in the early hours.

:38:01.:38:04.

She's said to have met with advisors for an hour there before

:38:05.:38:08.

The BBC political editor told us in the last few minutes that Downing

:38:09.:38:17.

Street said the Prime Minister has no intention of resigning.

:38:18.:38:21.

Time now to hand back to Huw Edwards, for more

:38:22.:38:25.

Good morning once again. Coming up to 7.40 in the morning, we are at

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the BBC Election Centre. Get me tell you what we are intending to do in

:38:44.:38:48.

the next 20 minutes. The latest from Downing Street, talking about

:38:49.:38:51.

Theresa May's future. Joining me in the studio, Gus O'Donnell, the

:38:52.:38:57.

former Cabinet Secretary. Jo Coburn, and the BBC's Andrew Marr. We will

:38:58.:39:01.

be picking up on those trends. Thinking about the shape of this

:39:02.:39:06.

government and what it might be. And whether Theresa May will continue to

:39:07.:39:11.

be at the head of it. We will be talking too about the future of the

:39:12.:39:15.

Brexit process, because the European Union are hinting that the Brexit

:39:16.:39:20.

talks could well be delayed. Some very big things to consider. Let's

:39:21.:39:23.

think about how we got here and the nature of the swing that produced

:39:24.:39:28.

this, to put it mildly, unexpected result. Jeremy.

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Through the face of Big Ben, and I am here, in front of the

:39:35.:39:43.

swingometer. Let's have a look at the swing between the Conservatives

:39:44.:39:47.

and Labour. You know how the swingometer works. If the parties

:39:48.:39:51.

stay as they were last time, the swing is zero, and no seats change

:39:52.:39:58.

hands. The blue dots are Conservative seats, the red dots are

:39:59.:40:02.

Labour seats. Let's see the swing on average across the UK. It is a swing

:40:03.:40:08.

into Conservative territory of about 2%. If it was applied uniformly, in

:40:09.:40:15.

other words the same swing in every seat, these seats would go red from

:40:16.:40:22.

blue. Labour would take them. But swing is not ever applied uniformly.

:40:23.:40:28.

Let's watch what actually happened. Labour outperformed their swing by

:40:29.:40:32.

going beyond the hand of the swingometer and taking some of the

:40:33.:40:35.

Conservative seats that you might think they had no right to take.

:40:36.:40:42.

Right at the top, almost off the swingometer, that dudet is

:40:43.:40:49.

Canterbury, they took that. 8%, Battersea and Portsmouth 's out. --

:40:50.:40:56.

Portsmouth South. It is young voters, voting for the first time,

:40:57.:41:02.

coming out for Labour. The swing was not representative of Labour's

:41:03.:41:04.

performance in some seats where they needed to win and they took them off

:41:05.:41:10.

the Conservatives by turbo-charging their vote. There was a great offset

:41:11.:41:15.

for the Conservatives, and it was in Scotland. Let's have a look at the

:41:16.:41:20.

swing in Scotland and what has happened to the SNP in particular.

:41:21.:41:25.

SNP seats on this side. Only one Conservative seat in Scotland,

:41:26.:41:30.

pretty marginal. Any swing against the SNP starts to turn those yellow

:41:31.:41:36.

seats blue. What was the swing in Scotland? It's remarkable.

:41:37.:41:42.

Conservative SNP swing, it's a swing against the SNP of nearly 15%. If it

:41:43.:41:48.

was applied uniformly in every seat, all of these seats would go blue

:41:49.:41:52.

from yellow. That does not happen for the reasons I explained. The

:41:53.:41:58.

actual result is 12 gains, not 15, partly because the SNP vote was

:41:59.:42:03.

weakened in some seats by the Conservatives and then Labour took

:42:04.:42:09.

the seat. The SNP hung on in some seats, but 12 for the Conservatives

:42:10.:42:13.

in Scotland, plus the one they already had. Quite remarkable. These

:42:14.:42:18.

blocks show the story of what happened in Scotland. You would not

:42:19.:42:22.

call it a collapse in the SNP vote, because plenty of people still

:42:23.:42:26.

voting SNP, but you don't often see a precipitous hole like that of 13%,

:42:27.:42:31.

and most of that went to the Conservatives. Ruth Davidson, the

:42:32.:42:37.

leader of the Scottish Conservatives, offsetting in some

:42:38.:42:44.

degree for Mrs May. In Scotland, the surprise has been on the

:42:45.:42:49.

Conservative side. The SNP down 13%, the Conservatives up 14, and modest

:42:50.:42:54.

rises for Labour and the Lib Dems. Although they have been rather well

:42:55.:42:57.

targeted and have won them some seats as well. The swingometer tells

:42:58.:43:03.

a story of a bit of uplift for the Conservatives in Scotland. I said

:43:04.:43:09.

earlier on that the story in Scotland is one that tells a very

:43:10.:43:13.

different story to the one in England, certainly parts of England.

:43:14.:43:20.

Andy, your take. Ruth Davidson, a very good election for her. Had she

:43:21.:43:26.

tried to win a seat in Westminster, she would be a crucial and pivotal

:43:27.:43:30.

figure in the Tory negotiations, discussion of what would happen

:43:31.:43:34.

next. She has been very important to Theresa May and in close touch with

:43:35.:43:39.

Number Ten all the way through, but unlike Theresa May has been a big

:43:40.:43:43.

net vote winner in Scotland. A big personal triumph. But we should not

:43:44.:43:47.

forget the Labour Party, everyone was writing them off in Scotland, it

:43:48.:43:52.

was dead, over for ever. Not at all, it has come

:43:53.:44:05.

back in a big way. The SNP has lost in all directions. The Highlands,

:44:06.:44:10.

for the Lib Dems as well. It is all about momentum. It makes it much

:44:11.:44:12.

less likely that we will see another Scottish independence referendum any

:44:13.:44:15.

time soon, and that is big news for the country. And your thoughts on

:44:16.:44:17.

Nicola Sturgeon's position, given this result? There will be sniping

:44:18.:44:21.

against her, but she remains the most powerful person in the SNP,

:44:22.:44:25.

particularly with Alex Salmond and Angus Robertson losing seats. People

:44:26.:44:33.

will feel she should not have overemphasised the second referendum

:44:34.:44:38.

in the way she did, but she is in a strong position and will remain

:44:39.:44:42.

leader of the SNP and Scotland's First Minister for a while to come.

:44:43.:44:46.

That's talk about Wales, the Conservative performance there was

:44:47.:44:50.

not as robust as some people predicted. Labour's performance in

:44:51.:44:54.

Wales was far better than many predicted. We are going to talk to

:44:55.:45:01.

the First Minister Carwyn Jones. Your take on the night's events. We

:45:02.:45:07.

outperformed our own expectations. We were told the Tories would make

:45:08.:45:13.

gains in Wales, they lost seats. 28 seats, we are by far the biggest

:45:14.:45:18.

party and we can say Welsh Labour speaks for Wales. Hugely important

:45:19.:45:21.

that our mandate in Wales is respected. When you are in

:45:22.:45:27.

government, as we are in Wales, you have a record to defend. We gained

:45:28.:45:32.

more seats in Wales. To what extent was the performance dependent on the

:45:33.:45:39.

leadership Jeremy Corbyn provided? There was a strong element. Jeremy

:45:40.:45:43.

was energetic, going around the UK and talking to people. In Wales, we

:45:44.:45:49.

ran our campaign, I did the leaders' debates, the Welsh Conservatives

:45:50.:45:51.

could not put up the same person for more than one of those debates. We

:45:52.:45:56.

knew we had a mountain to climb a few weeks ago when we saw the polls.

:45:57.:46:01.

We worked hard and today we have a result that is better than we

:46:02.:46:05.

expected. We also had a manifesto that appealed to people, a Welsh

:46:06.:46:09.

manifesto particularly that people were attracted to.

:46:10.:46:17.

I think it is fair to say that in the past, you have not been

:46:18.:46:22.

enthusiastic about Mr Corbyn's leadership, but you're acknowledging

:46:23.:46:26.

today that he has fought a superb campaign, I think that was your

:46:27.:46:31.

word? Yes. If you look at Theresa May's campaign, it is the arrogance,

:46:32.:46:37.

that they don't get, the entitlement to be in government. She built the

:46:38.:46:41.

campaign entirely around her, her 25 point lead, and ends up with a

:46:42.:46:46.

two-point lead. Somebody builds a campaign around themselves, and that

:46:47.:46:51.

campaign falters so Bodley, as we've seen, then it is difficult to see

:46:52.:46:54.

how they can carry on in the future. First Minister, thank you for

:46:55.:47:01.

joining us. Let's not all of this into the context of what is coming

:47:02.:47:07.

up. Just thinking about it this morning, when we were talking about

:47:08.:47:11.

Laura Kuenssberg giving us the latest word from Downing Street, the

:47:12.:47:15.

Prime Minister has no intention of resigning, working to form a

:47:16.:47:17.

government based on being the largest party in seats and votes -

:47:18.:47:23.

would we be assuming too much to think that the Prime Minister's

:47:24.:47:28.

personal instinct would be to walk away from that, but there will be

:47:29.:47:31.

enormous pressure for her to stay? I think, given what you just heard,

:47:32.:47:35.

this was such a personal campaign, and you saw what David Cameron did

:47:36.:47:41.

after the Brexit referendum. His instinct was just to go home within

:47:42.:47:46.

hours, and he did it. I think part of her instinct would have been the

:47:47.:47:52.

same. But it is her duties, and I think she realises that it is her

:47:53.:47:56.

duty to stay. If she left, we would have no Prime Minister, it is

:47:57.:48:00.

complete chaos. It is important that she stays, that we see through the

:48:01.:48:05.

next period, and it is important that the Conservative Party sorts

:48:06.:48:08.

out where it wants to go. I'm just wondering, where it wants to go,

:48:09.:48:12.

particularly in terms of Brexit? Yes. If it is true, as we are

:48:13.:48:19.

hearing, that the European Union is suggesting today that the process

:48:20.:48:23.

could be lengthened in some way or adjusted, what does that tell us? I

:48:24.:48:28.

think it tells us, from their side, they're saying, so come what is your

:48:29.:48:31.

position, who has got the power? It is a bit like, Theresa May would not

:48:32.:48:36.

have wanted to go and speak to President Hollande when he was on

:48:37.:48:40.

his way out, she would have wanted to wait until we had a new president

:48:41.:48:43.

in France. Similarly in Germany, with a new election coming up.

:48:44.:48:47.

Actually, the really big stuff happens after the German election.

:48:48.:48:52.

So I think we can manage a process where we have a lot of talks, we

:48:53.:48:56.

will talk about process, about money and about some big issues, but we

:48:57.:49:01.

won't come to any decisions. That doesn't mean you have to push the

:49:02.:49:05.

final date back, because if you do that, then you get into this mess,

:49:06.:49:09.

what are we going to do about European Parliamentary elections in

:49:10.:49:12.

the spring of 2019? I don't think anybody wants to go there. Nick

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Clegg has just said that it is impossible to overestimate the

:49:18.:49:22.

extent to which the UK is now seen as a drifting rudderless country by

:49:23.:49:25.

the rest of the EU countries. And that I think will be the prevailing

:49:26.:49:28.

wind. We have a tweet from Chris Hope in the Daily Telegraph who

:49:29.:49:34.

said, an official in the EU has said that those Brexit talks could be

:49:35.:49:39.

delayed. Whether or not that is true, it is the fact that it is

:49:40.:49:44.

being discussed, and they might view Theresa May has a bit of a lame

:49:45.:49:49.

duck. If they think that, then they don't know who to talk to. It is not

:49:50.:49:55.

good for Britain. Many people watching will be asking themselves,

:49:56.:49:59.

does this mean we don't have to do Brexit after all, can we reverse it?

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Because this decision could be seen as the end of the moral authority to

:50:05.:50:08.

the Brexit referendum. What I would say to that is, there is no

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political leader in Britain with the kind of Commons authority to hit the

:50:15.:50:18.

stop button on Brexit. That is most unlikely, I would think. We are

:50:19.:50:23.

going to stumble on with it, in a moreft attic and less good for us

:50:24.:50:27.

kind of way. But in a way which might be more open to compromise

:50:28.:50:30.

than some of the noises we have heard so far from the Tory party?

:50:31.:50:34.

Compromise on the single market, and from eyes on the soft border, was

:50:35.:50:39.

ugly even over the control of immigration, if the DUP have

:50:40.:50:42.

anything to do with it - and they will. And we will see the Tory party

:50:43.:50:47.

going toward day after day, the hard and soft Brexiteers, so-called, that

:50:48.:50:55.

is what we are going to see. And Ruth Davidson, Theresa May owes her

:50:56.:51:01.

big-time in terms of the campaign in Scotland. And on the DUP side, that

:51:02.:51:06.

issue of the border, to give Theresa May her due, she was not advocating

:51:07.:51:11.

any hard border, but the DUP will want to press hard to say, we have

:51:12.:51:17.

to guarantee that border. It is going to be exciting, in a rather

:51:18.:51:22.

grim way, for a very long time! Just a little element of surprise for us,

:51:23.:51:26.

because let me bring you up to date with what's going on in the royal

:51:27.:51:33.

borough of Kensington and Chelsea. They have now sent the tellers home,

:51:34.:51:41.

because they're too tired! We might yet the result later this afternoon,

:51:42.:51:46.

maybe even tomorrow. Andy, we have to pinch ourselves! I have never

:51:47.:51:50.

heard that before. Night has been full of extraordinary, unpredictable

:51:51.:51:56.

events, but I have never heard of tellers getting sent home because

:51:57.:52:01.

they're too tired to keep counting! There have been plenty of examples

:52:02.:52:04.

of seats which have been on a knife edge, and in places where you might

:52:05.:52:07.

not expect it. We had the obvious one in Richmond Park, but that has

:52:08.:52:13.

been repeated across the country in seats, where because the two parties

:52:14.:52:16.

are now dominating, Labour and the Tories, we have not seen vote shares

:52:17.:52:22.

like that for lunar years, decades, in terms of the Conservatives, and

:52:23.:52:28.

that's why you're seeing the two coming right up against each other.

:52:29.:52:32.

We have another result in, and once again this is a very, very narrow

:52:33.:52:37.

majority. This is from St Ives, and the Conservatives have held on to St

:52:38.:52:46.

Ives, and just look at the margin, a majority of 312 on a turnout of 76%,

:52:47.:53:00.

very high turnout. 43% apiece for the Conservatives and the Lib Dems.

:53:01.:53:08.

The Liberal Democrats were looking to take back seats in the

:53:09.:53:11.

south-west, the problem for them was running on a very anti-Brexit

:53:12.:53:16.

campaign was difficult in some areas which turned out to be Leave. But

:53:17.:53:21.

here is an example where they did not win but they did come close. The

:53:22.:53:24.

other thing we have not talked about yet is austerity, and how much of

:53:25.:53:28.

this was, was it the economy, stupid? We have spoken about Brexit,

:53:29.:53:37.

because does negate since -- because those negotiations are starting in

:53:38.:53:40.

11 days' time. But a lot of this campaign was about public services,

:53:41.:53:44.

and Jeremy Corbyn's campaign caught the imagination, and a lot of these

:53:45.:53:47.

seats will have voted along those lines. Andrew Marr has been

:53:48.:53:53.

underlining for us the importance of what has been happening in Scotland,

:53:54.:53:56.

and Emily can bring us up to date with that and bring us up to date

:53:57.:53:59.

with what has gone on. I want to start with the scoreboard, because

:54:00.:54:03.

this gives you a sense of what has happened overnight. The SNP have

:54:04.:54:09.

made net losses of 21 seats. The Conservatives have gained 12, some

:54:10.:54:15.

of those on gigantic swings. Labour have made gains of six, also with

:54:16.:54:20.

some pretty hefty swings. And the Lib Dems have had their best night

:54:21.:54:25.

in Scotland, adding three. But if we show you the share of the vote, you

:54:26.:54:29.

might have heard in the middle of the night Nicola Sturgeon come on

:54:30.:54:34.

and says she still felt that the SNP were the winning party - they are,

:54:35.:54:38.

on seats - and that they have done seven all the other parties put

:54:39.:54:44.

together. If you start to add up the scores of the auntie independence

:54:45.:54:46.

parties, you can see that they will be in the majority. They will have a

:54:47.:54:51.

far larger share of the vote than the SNP, which tends to suggest that

:54:52.:54:56.

there has been some kind of concerted vote against a second

:54:57.:55:02.

Scottish referendum. -- anti-independence. Let me go into

:55:03.:55:05.

some of those extraordinary gains and losses overnight. This is where

:55:06.:55:09.

the big beast of the SNP, Alex Salmond, lost his seat. And this is

:55:10.:55:19.

a tremendous swing, 20%. Last time around we saw swings in Scotland

:55:20.:55:24.

which had outshone any other British election in history, nearly 40% of.

:55:25.:55:28.

Not quite as big this time, but pretty hefty nonetheless. We saw

:55:29.:55:37.

Angus Robertson, the leader of the SNP in Westminster, losing his seat

:55:38.:55:43.

as well. Dumbarton east has been a gain for the Lib Dems. Jo Swinson is

:55:44.:55:49.

back, the Business Minister for the Lib Dems, she has taken this one.

:55:50.:55:53.

Edinburgh West, a tricky one, Michelle Thomson was suspended over

:55:54.:55:57.

allegations of mortgage fraud, leaving Christine Jardine to pick up

:55:58.:56:05.

his seat for the Lib Dems. And let me just show you this last one

:56:06.:56:09.

before we hand back. Fife North East has been retained by the SNP, but

:56:10.:56:14.

look how slim that majority is, a majority of two votes! Wow! That's

:56:15.:56:23.

quite remarkable figure! What I want to do now is to have a look at these

:56:24.:56:27.

images in central London, because this was Jeremy Corbyn arriving at

:56:28.:56:30.

Labour headquarters just a while ago. A real sense, although they

:56:31.:56:35.

have not won the election, that this was very much a personal victory for

:56:36.:56:40.

his campaign. Well, it is. As you say, they have not won, they're many

:56:41.:56:45.

seats short of being the largest party, but remember what the

:56:46.:56:49.

expectations were and the predictions. And actually even

:56:50.:56:51.

within the Labour Party itself, there were many Labour MPs and

:56:52.:56:55.

candidates in this election felt that Jeremy Corbyn's leadership

:56:56.:57:01.

would mean that they would lose seats, and of course that hasn't

:57:02.:57:07.

happened. I think we can show you, from my colleague Vicki Young,

:57:08.:57:12.

Labour insiders saying this is a victory for him. What it means is

:57:13.:57:18.

that he's staying, he's not going anywhere. Any talk that he might be

:57:19.:57:22.

unseated as leader of the Labour Party, that, obviously, has been put

:57:23.:57:31.

aside. I've someone saying, if he exceeded Ed Miliband's vote share...

:57:32.:57:35.

Well, he has probably done that and more. He has eaten the amount that

:57:36.:57:45.

Tony Blair got in 2005 when he won. It just shows you that we have moved

:57:46.:57:51.

back to two-party politics. It means that the coalition is off the cards.

:57:52.:57:56.

Last time, in 2010, the Lib Dems were quite big so you could offer

:57:57.:58:00.

them things like Deputy Prime Minister. This time, that is just

:58:01.:58:05.

not there, they're too small. That is why we are in minority

:58:06.:58:09.

government, will not be a coalition. Just picking up on Jo Coburn's

:58:10.:58:16.

point, about austerity, it was a very big part of this. We had a

:58:17.:58:24.

Conservative MP with Andrew Neil, saying, we have to rethink things.

:58:25.:58:28.

An early indication of that, if you look at the DUP manifesto, which of

:58:29.:58:34.

course we are now all experts in, it is talking about the triple lock on

:58:35.:58:38.

pensions, that is an example of the kind of bread-and-butter politics

:58:39.:58:41.

which may change as a result of this election. We are joined by newly

:58:42.:58:48.

elected MP Jo Swinson, many congratulations and thanks for

:58:49.:58:50.

joining us - was it bread-and-butter issues there, as Andrew Marr was

:58:51.:58:55.

talking about? Well, north of the border, the biggest issue was

:58:56.:59:04.

IndyRef2. There was a lot of anger at the SNP for trying to force this

:59:05.:59:08.

on the Scottish population again, less than three years after we had a

:59:09.:59:12.

very divisive independence referendum in Scotland, the wounds

:59:13.:59:14.

of which still haven't really healed, there are still family and

:59:15.:59:18.

friends who are not even necessarily talking to each other as a result of

:59:19.:59:22.

the divisions which were opened up during that time. I think there

:59:23.:59:25.

really was an appetite in Scotland not to go through that again. People

:59:26.:59:28.

were looking for the best way to make sure that we didn't have that.

:59:29.:59:35.

Also there was something about 56 out of 59 seats in Scotland all

:59:36.:59:41.

being held by one party, when actually there is a much more varied

:59:42.:59:46.

array of views across Scotland. There was a really strong feeling

:59:47.:59:49.

from people that they did not necessarily just want to have the

:59:50.:59:54.

SNP everywhere and obviously, in places like is Dumbarton chip, the

:59:55.:59:57.

Lib Dems pick up a seat, and also in Edinburgh and Caithness, just so

:59:58.:00:00.

close in Fife North East, after several recounts. But three strong

:00:01.:00:06.

gains for the Lib Dems in Scotland which is really good for us. When

:00:07.:00:12.

you look at the picture in Westminster, Nick Clegg, the former

:00:13.:00:14.

leader, saying today, there is no way forward in terms of a government

:00:15.:00:19.

which does not involve a great deal of turmoil - what is your thought on

:00:20.:00:21.

that? I think he is right. He will be

:00:22.:00:30.

missed in the Commons as someone with a huge amount of wisdom,

:00:31.:00:34.

especially as the Brexit negotiations get under way. There is

:00:35.:00:37.

no doubt there will be a lot of turmoil. You have a Conservative

:00:38.:00:41.

Party where Theresa May had expected to take it for granted and get a

:00:42.:00:46.

landslide, and of course that has blown up in her face. She is very

:00:47.:00:50.

much a diminished figure in her own party, not necessarily with the

:00:51.:00:54.

credibility and authority she had before this election campaign. The

:00:55.:01:02.

disastrous images of her running away from debating the issues. You

:01:03.:01:04.

are going to have a government that does have to listen much more to

:01:05.:01:07.

Parliament. That is one positive to come out of this, but there are

:01:08.:01:12.

difficult waters ahead because negotiating Brexit is an incredibly

:01:13.:01:15.

difficult thing for a government to do. All different elements to

:01:16.:01:20.

balance, and a difficult situation in the House of Commons in terms of

:01:21.:01:24.

getting votes passed. Jo Swinson, the new MP for Dumbartonshire East

:01:25.:01:30.

for the Lib Dems. I would like to pick up again on that, and

:01:31.:01:35.

underlined that the SNP lost 21 seats overnight. They are on 35

:01:36.:01:39.

seats, down from the very, very strong performance two years ago.

:01:40.:01:43.

Andrew Neil has one of the guests from the SNP this morning.

:01:44.:01:48.

I can tell you sterling is down 2.3% on the markets, they don't like

:01:49.:01:56.

uncertainty. A hung parliament means uncertainty. We are told Theresa May

:01:57.:02:01.

is trying to put together a new government taking into account the

:02:02.:02:04.

new circumstances. We will see how that goes. It was a bad night for

:02:05.:02:10.

Mrs May, and for Nicola Sturgeon as well in Scotland. I have a member of

:02:11.:02:15.

the Scottish Parliament with me. You lost 21 seats in Scotland. A 15%

:02:16.:02:22.

swing against you. Why did it go so wrong? Remember that is from a base

:02:23.:02:29.

of a historic result in 2015. You lost 21 seats. Nobody expected us to

:02:30.:02:36.

win 56 seats again. I am not going to gloss over it, we have lost

:02:37.:02:41.

experienced politicians and very good politicians, like Tasmina

:02:42.:02:46.

Ahmed-Sheikh, as well. In Scotland, we have won the election. A

:02:47.:02:53.

majority. As you know in politics, the direction of travel is

:02:54.:02:55.

everything. And your direction of travel is down. You lost 21 seats,

:02:56.:03:03.

to the Conservatives, to Labour. Many of your people said Scottish

:03:04.:03:07.

Labour was finished. You lost to the Lib Dems. You lost to everybody.

:03:08.:03:13.

Again, that is coming from a high water mark in 2015. I accept there

:03:14.:03:19.

is plenty to reflect on. The most pressing issue is to form a

:03:20.:03:23.

government in that place. We will begin conversations with the Labour

:03:24.:03:28.

Party and other progressives like the Greens and Plaid Cymru to try

:03:29.:03:31.

and stop a Conservative government who have twice in as many years

:03:32.:03:36.

caused utter chaos in this country by gambling and misfiring

:03:37.:03:39.

spectacularly. You haven't got the MPs to do that. I think after the

:03:40.:03:46.

gamble David Cameron took on Brexit, the gamble Theresa May took which

:03:47.:03:49.

has backfired, the Conservatives should do the decent thing and step

:03:50.:03:53.

aside. They have no mandate for a hard Brexit and they should allow

:03:54.:03:57.

the progressives to take the discussions forward to the European

:03:58.:04:02.

Union. You would not have an overall majority as this Progressive

:04:03.:04:07.

alliance... If you add the DUP to the Conservatives, they would still

:04:08.:04:12.

be short. Your party's emphasis on the demand for a second referendum,

:04:13.:04:16.

to bring independence back onto the agenda again has gone down like a

:04:17.:04:22.

stone with the Scottish voters. They don't want it. If you take the

:04:23.:04:28.

Labour results in the West of Scotland, there is no doubt that has

:04:29.:04:32.

come about because of a Corbyn surge, not because of the decline in

:04:33.:04:39.

support for independence. There can be no doubt, you are in retreat now.

:04:40.:04:46.

Your line has not worked, independence is not around the

:04:47.:04:50.

corner any more for you. A third historic term in the Scottish

:04:51.:04:54.

Parliament, the largest party of local government. We have just won

:04:55.:04:59.

the election in Scotland. If that is on the decline, so be it, we are

:05:00.:05:05.

still a very powerful... If losing 21 seats is not a retreat, what is?

:05:06.:05:12.

It is a terrible result for you. The most pressing issue is trying to

:05:13.:05:16.

form a government in that place. We have always said independence is not

:05:17.:05:20.

going to happen... Nicola Sturgeon said education was her top priority

:05:21.:05:26.

and only 3% of the Scottish voters believed her. They thought

:05:27.:05:30.

independence was. Is it not time for the SNP to get on with running

:05:31.:05:34.

Scotland better and forget about a second referendum? Our record speaks

:05:35.:05:40.

for itself. The fact we have a third term historic SNP government elected

:05:41.:05:44.

shows people have confidence in our record. The most imminent and

:05:45.:05:49.

pressing issue, as your commentators have said, is Brexit negotiations

:05:50.:05:52.

starting in a matter of days. We need to get a government formed. We

:05:53.:05:56.

will talk to other progressives about that. It is time the Prime

:05:57.:06:00.

Minister did the decent thing and step aside and allow us to do that.

:06:01.:06:05.

We shall see. We are going to catch up with the

:06:06.:06:13.

news. After the news, we will discuss a little more about the

:06:14.:06:17.

Brexit process coming up, and indeed we will be talking about Labour's

:06:18.:06:21.

John McDonnell, who has said this morning he wants Labour to put

:06:22.:06:25.

itself forward to serve the country and form a minority government. We

:06:26.:06:28.

will discuss whether that is remote and possible given the make-up of

:06:29.:06:33.

the numbers. Now the news and with Louise Minchin.

:06:34.:06:36.

The BBC understands that Theresa May has no intention of resigning

:06:37.:06:41.

as Prime Minister, after the general election ends with

:06:42.:06:43.

The Conservatives have lost their majority,

:06:44.:06:46.

Labour has done better than expected,

:06:47.:06:56.

and Jeremy Corbyn has called for Theresa May to step down.

:06:57.:06:59.

Our political correspondent Tom Bateman's report

:07:00.:07:00.

A political gamble - the hope that she would transform

:07:01.:07:07.

the Tories' fragile advantage in Parliament with a huge win.

:07:08.:07:10.

But the smiles of the campaign trail have vanished.

:07:11.:07:20.

The Conservatives are set to end up worse off with a hung Parliament.

:07:21.:07:26.

If, as the indications have shown, if this is correct,

:07:27.:07:28.

that the Conservative Party has won the most seats, and probably

:07:29.:07:31.

the most votes, then it will be incumbent on us to ensure we have

:07:32.:07:34.

that period of stability, and that is what we will do.

:07:35.:07:37.

And you can see what the Labour leader makes

:07:38.:07:39.

A man whose campaign confounded many expectations.

:07:40.:07:42.

Beaming smiles, with Labour on course for a far better

:07:43.:07:45.

The Prime Minister called the election because

:07:46.:07:50.

Well, the mandate she's got is lost Conservative seats,

:07:51.:07:56.

lost votes, lost support, and lost confidence.

:07:57.:08:00.

I would have thought that is enough to go, actually.

:08:01.:08:06.

In Battersea, Labour have ousted a government

:08:07.:08:08.

There have been Labour gains elsewhere.

:08:09.:08:18.

They increase their majority in Cambridge by 12,000, they took

:08:19.:08:23.

Peterborough from the Conservatives, boosting their share of the vote by

:08:24.:08:25.

more than 12%. The Home Secretary Amber Rudd

:08:26.:08:34.

only just scraped home In Sheffield, the Lib Dem's former

:08:35.:08:36.

leader Nick Clegg has lost his seat. I, of course, have encountered this

:08:37.:08:43.

evening something that many people have encountered before tonight,

:08:44.:08:46.

and I suspect many people will encounter after tonight,

:08:47.:08:49.

which is in politics, you live by the sword and you

:08:50.:08:52.

die by the sword. The night began with

:08:53.:08:56.

a projection - the exit poll. The BBC forecast the Conservatives

:08:57.:09:09.

as the largest party, The SNP have lost big names

:09:10.:09:11.

on a disappointing night, compared with their Scottish

:09:12.:09:17.

landslide two years ago. Their Deputy Leader Angus Robertson

:09:18.:09:20.

was ousted by the Conservatives and their former leader Alex Salmond

:09:21.:09:23.

lost his seat too. Now one of Theresa May's own MPs

:09:24.:09:26.

is laying the blame on her. I think she's in a very

:09:27.:09:29.

difficult place. She's a remarkable and a very

:09:30.:09:33.

talented woman, and she doesn't shy from difficult decisions,

:09:34.:09:36.

but she now has to Jeremy Corbyn's vocal support is

:09:37.:09:52.

growing. Labour may be in a clear second, but his allies say they want

:09:53.:09:54.

to form a minority government. She says she has no intention of

:09:55.:10:07.

standing down and is working on forming a government. She wanted a

:10:08.:10:12.

strong, stable and triumphant return here before Brexit talks. She has

:10:13.:10:16.

ended up weakened, with fewer MPs and questions over her future.

:10:17.:10:21.

In Northern Ireland, both the SDLP and the Ulster Unionist

:10:22.:10:23.

It was a successful night for the largest parties.

:10:24.:10:27.

The Democratic Unionist Party won ten seats.

:10:28.:10:29.

Sinn Fein won seven seats but will continue to abstain

:10:30.:10:32.

The result could see the DUP demand significant concessions

:10:33.:10:36.

in return for propping up a Theresa May administration.

:10:37.:10:40.

In Wales, the Labour Party had a strong night, taking back a number

:10:41.:10:43.

The results represent a blow to the Tory party, who had hoped

:10:44.:10:49.

Plaid Cymru won four seats, and the Liberal Democrats

:10:50.:10:54.

Meanwhile, Ukip have failed to win any seats in Parliament.

:10:55.:11:00.

Their share of the vote collapsed across Britain,

:11:01.:11:03.

and their leader Paul Nuttall came third in Boston and Skegness.

:11:04.:11:08.

The Green Party remain unchanged, with one seat.

:11:09.:11:11.

The party co-leader Caroline Lucas, who held Brighton Pavilion,

:11:12.:11:15.

said the Greens will never support a Tory government.

:11:16.:11:19.

The Greens are forecast to win 2% of the vote.

:11:20.:11:23.

Let's have a look at the weather, with Matt Taylor.

:11:24.:11:31.

Good morning, overall, a more sunny day compared with yesterday but not

:11:32.:11:39.

completely dry. In Scotland the rain will ease off. Elsewhere, some

:11:40.:11:43.

showers in western England and Wales. They will push into central

:11:44.:11:46.

and eastern parts of this afternoon, a rumble of thunder with those, but

:11:47.:11:51.

they will fade away. Dry and sunny weather for England, Wales and

:11:52.:11:54.

Northern Ireland this afternoon. Feeling warm, highs of 22 possible.

:11:55.:12:00.

Tonight, early showers fading, the rain will spread. A wet night in

:12:01.:12:04.

Northern Ireland and spreading across Scotland. On Saturday,

:12:05.:12:09.

rainfall northern England, Wales and potentially south-west England. Dry

:12:10.:12:14.

in Scotland later on, a bright and breezy day in Northern Ireland. The

:12:15.:12:19.

south-east could feel warm in the sunshine, 25 is possible. Sunday,

:12:20.:12:22.

the south-east corner stays largely dry with sunny spells. Further north

:12:23.:12:27.

and west, a scattering of showers, feeling a bit cooler, with

:12:28.:12:30.

temperatures in the high teens. Back for more election coverage with

:12:31.:12:36.

Hugh Edwards. A very good morning once again from

:12:37.:12:53.

the BBC Election Centre. If you are just tuning in and catching up with

:12:54.:12:57.

what's been happening overnight, let me tell you the result of this 2017

:12:58.:13:04.

general election is that we are looking at a hung parliament. These

:13:05.:13:08.

are the figures with just four results to come. The Conservatives

:13:09.:13:14.

are the largest party. It has certainly turned out rather

:13:15.:13:19.

differently to the opinion polls suggested, and indeed to what people

:13:20.:13:24.

were expecting in terms of the analysis and the commentary

:13:25.:13:28.

beforehand. It has been a night of dramatic and unexpected results. As

:13:29.:13:33.

I say, four to come, three of them in Cornwall and one in Kensington

:13:34.:13:38.

and Chelsea, where they are still counting and they have decided to

:13:39.:13:41.

take a break after a long night. John McDonnell of Labour saying they

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want to put themselves forward as a minority government. We will discuss

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whether that is possible. I am just being told that the EU Commissioner

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says Brexit talks might not now start as planned on June 19, simply

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because they are really looking at the kind of uncertainty that Theresa

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May was saying she categorically did not want, which is why she called

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this election in the first. With me in the studio, Andrew Marr and Jo

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Coburn, and we are joined by Professor Peter Hennessy. We will

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talk to you in a while about the permutations of these figures. To

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help us with that, Jeremy, what have you got? One of the things this

:14:25.:14:31.

result will do, because it is so tight, is put a lot of focus on the

:14:32.:14:35.

House of Commons. We are sitting in the virtual one. Let's have a look

:14:36.:14:39.

and see if the numbers become clearer as we examine them. We have

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the parties arranged as we think the final result will be. 319 for the

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Conservatives. 261, Labour. The SNP on 35. And so on. You need 326 MPs

:14:54.:15:00.

for an overall majority. I am going to try and build the majority

:15:01.:15:04.

bearing in mind that no one party can do it. The Conservatives, having

:15:05.:15:10.

fallen into a minority, sit with 319, and they need to add to the

:15:11.:15:15.

total and get it up to 326. The obvious place to go is the

:15:16.:15:19.

Democratic Unionist Party makes in Northern Ireland, they have ten MPs.

:15:20.:15:24.

It is pretty simple maths. With the DUP, we have 329. The politics is

:15:25.:15:34.

not simple because the DUP will want something for helping the

:15:35.:15:36.

Conservatives. To get the Queen's Speech through, whether you call it

:15:37.:15:41.

a coalition, a working arrangement, whatever, it doesn't matter. The

:15:42.:15:44.

problem for Theresa May is she has not done it on her own. But they get

:15:45.:15:51.

passed 326 by simply an listing the DUP in Northern Ireland. Not that

:15:52.:15:54.

anyone expected. And if we have a look at the

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opposition benches... Labour, the single biggest opposition party. The

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SNP, much diminished in the House of Commons. The Liberal Democrats have

:16:19.:16:22.

done a bit better than they did last time, now having 12. So that's how

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it would work. These are the benches to focus on. So, there is a way of

:16:30.:16:35.

the Conservatives getting through that number of 326, but it is pretty

:16:36.:16:39.

humiliating for Theresa May to have to even think about this. As we look

:16:40.:16:45.

ahead to the start of the biggest challenge which any government in

:16:46.:16:51.

this country has faced for decades, Brexit, clearly, the uncertainty is

:16:52.:16:54.

huge. We can speak now to Katya Adler, our Europe editor. I think

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this can be summed up in the words of the French prime ministers this

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morning, who said, we're surprised, but Brexit is not called into

:17:07.:17:13.

question. The start of the negotiations was set for the 19th of

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June, but that is very, very soon. That was what Theresa May's

:17:22.:17:24.

governance said it wanted at the time. But this is not Brussels was

:17:25.:17:29.

no decision, this is a UK decision. I think the general feeling in the

:17:30.:17:33.

EU is that they are feeling strong and stable. The EU 27 member states

:17:34.:17:37.

are all united about Brexit processor. Emmanuel Macron and

:17:38.:17:42.

Angela Merkel are looking strong politically at home as well. And

:17:43.:17:46.

they now look over to the United Kingdom and they see rather a

:17:47.:17:52.

political mess. As for whether this leads to a harder Brexit or a softer

:17:53.:17:58.

Brexit, again, Brussels says, this is a UK decision. They say they are

:17:59.:18:02.

ready, they have had almost 12 months to prepare for Brexit

:18:03.:18:04.

negotiations to begin. They want them to begin and they are reminding

:18:05.:18:10.

the UK that the clock is ticking. Under EU rules, the UK only has

:18:11.:18:15.

until March 2019 to finish the Brexit process, never mind talking

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about a future trade relationship. Peter Hennessy, thoughts on that?

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Even if negotiations start a week on Monday, as planned, the timetable is

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immensely tight, to engineer the greatest geopolitical operation in

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our country, wondering 46 years of everything. 19,000 statutes which

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have to be once grumbled, 560 treaties involving 168 countries, it

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is quite extraordinary. That is going to take much longer than the

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two years, but with that clock ticking, it's going to be very, very

:18:57.:19:01.

difficult indeed. The question might arise in some circumstances, Article

:19:02.:19:07.

50, having been triggered, can you stop it? John Curtice has always

:19:08.:19:10.

said it could be revoked, because it is a process, not a punishment. But

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this extra ordinary election has thrown particles into the air which

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we never anticipated, including these procedural questions. We have

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never been across this terrain before, there is no precedent, there

:19:24.:19:26.

is no equivalent of a Cabinet manual, which we were talking about

:19:27.:19:30.

earlier, for these negotiations. It is quite extraordinary, it must be

:19:31.:19:35.

sheer hell for our negotiators in Brussels, they have been like

:19:36.:19:38.

racehorses, ready to go a week on Monday, and now there is a chance it

:19:39.:19:41.

will not be starting then. Absolutely right, this is an

:19:42.:19:45.

incredibly complicated operation. The Brexit department, David Davis'

:19:46.:19:50.

department, is in better shape than a lot of us might have expected,

:19:51.:19:53.

they have recruited a lot of people. But the real issue they have is, any

:19:54.:19:58.

deals they do depend upon a majority in the House of Commons, and it

:19:59.:20:02.

looks now like that majority might not be available. Therefore, every

:20:03.:20:05.

time they try to do a compromise deal, every time they're offered

:20:06.:20:08.

something, they will have to think about the balance of power on the

:20:09.:20:12.

Tory benches in the House of Commons - at a nightmare. And that I think

:20:13.:20:16.

the bigger test. If Theresa May is staying as Prime Minister, she is

:20:17.:20:21.

now going to be looking over her shoulder one way to those who want

:20:22.:20:27.

what we have called a harder Brexit. But now, if Labour organises itself,

:20:28.:20:31.

along with those many e-MPs who might the looking for what we would

:20:32.:20:35.

call a softer Brexit, she's going to have a very difficult time. Already,

:20:36.:20:40.

people are saying that actually, there is more of a majority for a

:20:41.:20:43.

softer Brexit and it is up to the opposition parties to organise

:20:44.:20:48.

themselves. Just on that, we have been talking about Theresa May's

:20:49.:20:51.

position all morning, and apparently Arlene Foster of the DUP as

:20:52.:20:56.

suggested on the radio that Theresa May could be in a very, very

:20:57.:21:00.

difficult position. Or the DUP demand the head of the Prime

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Minister as part of the deal? It seems at Claude Le Roy, but...

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Contact yes, but at the moment, anything it would seem would be

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possible. -- it seems extraordinary. It is the curse of British politics.

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When you look at the an hour picture, referendums, it does not

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sit well with our normal system of representative democracy, and this

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election has been about bringing the two types of democracy together at,

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and in has produced this extraordinary result. There is no

:21:39.:21:43.

question it destabilises us more. Since 1950, when we were first

:21:44.:21:47.

approached to do all of this, the British party system cannot handle

:21:48.:21:50.

it because it is not a left right question. It is the great wrecker of

:21:51.:21:56.

political careers, it is an absolute nightmare, whether you're Remain or

:21:57.:22:01.

Leave. Nigel Farage is with Andrew Neil. Nigel Farage, former leader of

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Ukip, is indeed with me here in Westminster. Mrs May called an

:22:08.:22:10.

election to get a mandate for her kind of Brexit. She didn't get it.

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Are you now worried that the kind of Brexit you want may not be

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delivered? Very. Despite the fact that there are 380 Tory MPs elected

:22:22.:22:27.

on a Brexit manifesto, the DUP have got ten seats, and they support

:22:28.:22:33.

Brexit. The real worry I have got is David Davis, who of all of the

:22:34.:22:36.

people in the cabin and I would have thought would be closest to my

:22:37.:22:39.

position, even him saying this morning but perhaps leaving the

:22:40.:22:43.

single market and leaving the customs union will need to be

:22:44.:22:47.

reconsidered. And what Tory central office have concluded is, they have

:22:48.:22:51.

concluded that campaigning for hard Brexit has cost them votes. Now, I

:22:52.:22:55.

think that analysis is wrong. I think in the end it was more about

:22:56.:22:58.

personality. She failed the test, cheated not look like a leader, and

:22:59.:23:03.

Jeremy Corbyn was having a ball, going around the country, engaging

:23:04.:23:06.

people. So, it seems to me that even David Davis is considering putting

:23:07.:23:13.

the single market back on the table, which shows that the whole Brexit

:23:14.:23:16.

process has very seriously been damaged by this election. As we

:23:17.:23:20.

speak, about half a mile down the road, we are told Mrs May is

:23:21.:23:23.

intending to put together a government to cope with the new

:23:24.:23:27.

circumstances, some reports she has already been in touch with the DUP

:23:28.:23:30.

to get their support - can she put it off? Well, maybe she can put

:23:31.:23:37.

together a government, but can she pull off the Brexit process? Four

:23:38.:23:42.

times in this campaign, I saw her asked, as somebody who back to

:23:43.:23:45.

Remain, do you know believing Brexit? And four times, she could

:23:46.:23:49.

not answer the question. You cannot go to Brussels and negotiate

:23:50.:23:53.

something as important as this unless you believe in it in your

:23:54.:23:57.

heart. I'm told she will not resign today, but I do think, if Brexit is

:23:58.:24:01.

to be a success, we must have somebody who believes in it leading

:24:02.:24:04.

the government. So you think the Prime Minister should go?

:24:05.:24:08.

Absolutely, yes, I do. I think she has failed completely and has

:24:09.:24:11.

weakened her own position in British politics and she has weakened the

:24:12.:24:16.

UK's position with these negotiations. And yet if the very

:24:17.:24:19.

idea of Brexit is back on the negotiating table again, if you're

:24:20.:24:26.

worried that it may not happen now, or at least it may not happen as you

:24:27.:24:31.

would like it, and yet here is your own party, Ukip, nowhere in this

:24:32.:24:37.

debate, no MPs, less than 2% of the vote, out, over, done, Towcester!

:24:38.:24:42.

Ukip yesterday seemed to be irrelevant to the process, given

:24:43.:24:49.

that the Tories and Labour both said they were fighting on Brexit. And

:24:50.:24:51.

yet today we face the prospect, where if this starts to get watered

:24:52.:24:55.

down, if we do not get the tempi in which people voted for, then Ukip

:24:56.:24:59.

could be more relevant than ever. But you would come back from a very

:25:00.:25:03.

low base. You have only just got more sure of the vote than the

:25:04.:25:09.

Greens! Yes. But don't underestimate the fluidity of voters in the United

:25:10.:25:13.

Kingdom and how strongly attached those Brexit voters are. If they get

:25:14.:25:17.

betrayed, their votes will move. But the harsh fact is that your party,

:25:18.:25:21.

since you stepped down as leader, has been nothing short of a

:25:22.:25:26.

shambles. And that shambles has come to its logical conclusion in how the

:25:27.:25:31.

people voted yesterday. It has not been very professional, I would

:25:32.:25:34.

agree with all of that. But equally, the tide was going in a different

:25:35.:25:37.

direction in this general election. It needs to be reformed and changed

:25:38.:25:42.

and believe you me, if we finish up inside the single market, then Ukip

:25:43.:25:47.

will be a party which is back on the agenda. If in your view the country

:25:48.:25:53.

needs Ukip more than ever, for the reasons you've given, doesn't it

:25:54.:25:57.

mean that Ukip needs you more than ever? Well, I didn't involve myself

:25:58.:26:04.

in this election campaign. If my worst fears are confirmed, if we

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don't get the kind of Brexit that I want and wish the people voted for,

:26:08.:26:11.

then I would have no choice but to involve myself again with full-time

:26:12.:26:15.

campaigning. Would you come back as leader? I'm not saying that. It

:26:16.:26:20.

sounds to me like you would consider coming back as leader. I would not

:26:21.:26:25.

even think about leading Ukip unless it went through some pretty

:26:26.:26:28.

fundamental reforms. We shall see. Nigel Farage, thank you very much.

:26:29.:26:36.

Back to the studio and Huw. Well, that is the former Ukip leader, what

:26:37.:26:41.

happened to the CURRENT Ukip leader, Emily? Nigel Farage represents that

:26:42.:26:49.

idea of hard empathy, but what has happened to the man who represents

:26:50.:26:55.

Ukip now, all who wanted to, at least, in this Parliament? Bulot all

:26:56.:27:01.

stood to be an MP in Boston and Skegness, and you can see what

:27:02.:27:04.

happens to the Ukip share of the vote number it is down 26%. There

:27:05.:27:10.

might be personal reasons on this one but we know that Paul Nuttall

:27:11.:27:14.

was not the choice of voters in Boston and Skegness - does that

:27:15.:27:20.

suggest that there is less of an appetite for Ukip's idea of hard

:27:21.:27:25.

Brexit? Let me see if I can pull up some of the other places where we

:27:26.:27:28.

have seen that drop in the Ukip folk? Douglas Carswell, he said

:27:29.:27:34.

Ukip, job done. Perhaps it is a sign of their success. But when you look

:27:35.:27:38.

at this, you can see how the vote has been split between Labour

:27:39.:27:45.

Conservatives, with Ukip voters not entirely sure which party to go to.

:27:46.:27:50.

Message is clear, in these seats, and I could bring up more of them,

:27:51.:27:58.

Ukip is taking a big hit, down 11% or 17%. It suggests that Ukip voters

:27:59.:28:04.

are now looking to other parties to enact whatever kind of Brexit they

:28:05.:28:09.

thought they had voted for. We said earlier that John McDonnell was

:28:10.:28:14.

saying that Labour would like to put themselves forward as a minority

:28:15.:28:17.

government. That is something I want to discuss with my guests. Also,

:28:18.:28:21.

Iain Duncan Smith, the former Conservative leader, saying a short

:28:22.:28:27.

while ago that the Conservative Party, if it had a leadership

:28:28.:28:30.

election, it would be a catastrophe. He said it would plunge the UK into

:28:31.:28:35.

a crisis. Gus O'Donnell is with us. Can we just nailed this one on

:28:36.:28:41.

Labour - could Labour be in a position, within this configuration,

:28:42.:28:43.

to form some kind of minority government? Basically, the formal

:28:44.:28:47.

position is that Theresa May, as rain minister, even if she had lost

:28:48.:28:54.

this badly, could still carry on and go to the House and try and get a

:28:55.:28:58.

Queen's Speech through, and then lose then she goes to the Queen and

:28:59.:29:03.

says, I can't do it. I suspect what will happen this time is, she has

:29:04.:29:07.

the votes to do it. Therefore, the situation won't arise. I'm afraid

:29:08.:29:14.

Labour doesn't get a chance in those circumstances, as long as she wins

:29:15.:29:17.

that vote in the House. But the key. On the issue of the Conservative

:29:18.:29:27.

leadership, Andy, your thoughts on Iain Duncan Smith, who had a torrid

:29:28.:29:32.

time as leader himself... Yes, he knows all about Conservative Party

:29:33.:29:37.

leadership! If the Conservative Party could move to a new leader in

:29:38.:29:43.

a mature fashion, that would be one thing. But they can't, it would be

:29:44.:29:48.

an absolute bunfight, Boris would not be able to restrain himself in

:29:49.:29:52.

any way at all, Brexit would be back on the agenda, it would be long,

:29:53.:29:56.

brutal and bloody, and it would be, as Iain Duncan Smith says,

:29:57.:30:00.

catastrophic for the country. It is interesting, though, because we have

:30:01.:30:03.

been waiting for some reaction from Conservative MPs, and there has not

:30:04.:30:06.

been all that much so far. It makes me feel that leading Brexiteers like

:30:07.:30:11.

Iain Duncan Smith of course they don't want a leadership election,

:30:12.:30:15.

they want to shore up Theresa May and her position, however weakened,

:30:16.:30:20.

because they're worried about that Brexit timetable, and I think they

:30:21.:30:23.

will have made a car chelation that the best way to keep Brexit, in

:30:24.:30:28.

their mind, one track, is to keep her in place and shore up her

:30:29.:30:33.

support. If there were to be a leadership election, it would be a

:30:34.:30:36.

bunfight, and Brexit would look at risk in the way he would like to see

:30:37.:30:39.

it. Anything from Boris Johnson? Nothing yet. Philip Hammond? No! And

:30:40.:30:47.

all eyes will be on the Johnson, because what happened after the

:30:48.:30:52.

referendum. What about David Davis? Nothing from David Davis. , the key

:30:53.:30:59.

people, they will be waiting, there will be conversations going on in

:31:00.:31:04.

the Conservative Party at higher levels, to see, strategically, what

:31:05.:31:05.

can be done. If you want a sense of how

:31:06.:31:15.

extraordinary this election has been, and everything is

:31:16.:31:16.

unprecedented, Boris Johnson is saying nothing! And that is unusual.

:31:17.:31:26.

It is 8.31, we are going to catch up with the news.

:31:27.:31:29.

The BBC understands that Theresa May has no intention of resigning

:31:30.:31:34.

as Prime Minister after the general election results

:31:35.:31:37.

Some pollsters had predicted at the start of the campaign

:31:38.:31:42.

that Mrs May would win a landslide for the Conservatives.

:31:43.:31:45.

They will head back to Westminster with 319 seats -

:31:46.:31:48.

seven fewer than would give them an overall majority.

:31:49.:31:55.

Speaking as she was reelected to her seat in Maidenhead,

:31:56.:31:58.

the Prime Minister said the country needed stability.

:31:59.:32:00.

As we look ahead, and we wait to see what the final results will be,

:32:01.:32:04.

I know that, as I say, the country needs

:32:05.:32:08.

a period of stability, and whatever the results are,

:32:09.:32:11.

the Conservative Party will ensure that we fulfil our duty

:32:12.:32:16.

in ensuring that stability, so that we can all, as one country,

:32:17.:32:20.

Labour have done better than expected, gaining around 30 seats.

:32:21.:32:27.

Shadow Chancellor John McDonnell says the party

:32:28.:32:31.

are offering themselves as a minority government.

:32:32.:32:33.

In Islington North, the leader Jeremy Corbyn held his seat

:32:34.:32:40.

After his result was called, he said Theresa May should step down.

:32:41.:32:47.

If there is a message from tonight's result, it's this -

:32:48.:32:52.

the Prime Minister called the election because

:32:53.:32:55.

Well, the mandate she's got is lost Conservative seats, lost votes,

:32:56.:33:02.

I would have thought that's enough to go, actually,

:33:03.:33:08.

and make way for a government that will be truly representative of all

:33:09.:33:12.

One major political figure to lose his seat was Nick Clegg.

:33:13.:33:19.

The former Liberal Democrat leader and Deputy Prime Minister

:33:20.:33:23.

lost his Sheffield Hallam seat to Labour.

:33:24.:33:26.

Elsewhere, the Lib Dems made gains - former minsters Vince Cable

:33:27.:33:29.

and Jo Swinson have both taken back the seats they lost in 2015.

:33:30.:33:33.

The party's leader Tim Farron held onto his seat

:33:34.:33:36.

The Scottish National Party has endured a series of shock defeats,

:33:37.:33:43.

including the loss of its former First Minister Alex Salmond

:33:44.:33:53.

and leader in the Commons Angus Robertson.

:33:54.:33:55.

They both their seats amid a Scottish Conservative surge.

:33:56.:33:57.

The party's best performance in Scotland since 1983.

:33:58.:34:00.

First Minister Nicola Sturgeon said that the losses were a blow

:34:01.:34:02.

to her and the SNP, indicating she had some reflecting to do on key

:34:03.:34:06.

In Northern Ireland, both the SDLP and the Ulster Unionist Party

:34:07.:34:12.

It was a successful night for the largest parties.

:34:13.:34:17.

The Democratic Unionist Party won ten seats.

:34:18.:34:21.

Sinn Fein won seven seats but will continue to abstain

:34:22.:34:23.

The result could see the DUP demand significant concessions

:34:24.:34:29.

in return for propping up a Theresa May administration.

:34:30.:34:34.

In Wales, the Labour Party had a strong night, taking back a number

:34:35.:34:37.

The results represent a blow to the Tory party, who had hoped

:34:38.:34:43.

Plaid Cymru won four seats, and the Liberal Democrats

:34:44.:34:49.

Meanwhile, Ukip have failed to win any seats in Parliament.

:34:50.:34:55.

Their share of the vote collapsed across Britain,

:34:56.:34:59.

and their leader Paul Nuttall came third in Boston and Skegness.

:35:00.:35:04.

Traders in the City of London are bracing

:35:05.:35:07.

themselves for a volatile day following the election result.

:35:08.:35:10.

The pound has suffered one of its biggest falls since January

:35:11.:35:13.

trading down by almost 2% against the dollar.

:35:14.:35:20.

The stock market open half an hour ago, with shares in the top 100

:35:21.:35:25.

companies rising more than expected. This morning, the EU's budget

:35:26.:35:28.

commissioner said a hung parliament could delay Brexit talks,

:35:29.:35:30.

which are scheduled Theresa May is now back

:35:31.:35:32.

in Downing Street. The Prime Minister travelled

:35:33.:35:36.

from her Berkshire constituency to Conservative central office

:35:37.:35:39.

in the early hours. She's said to have met

:35:40.:35:41.

with advisors for an hour there And in the last half an hour,

:35:42.:35:44.

Jeremy Corbyn has arrived He was greeted by jubilant campaign

:35:45.:35:48.

workers and advisors. The Shadow Chancellor John McDonnell

:35:49.:35:53.

has said that they have no intention Good morning once again. As we have

:35:54.:36:21.

just heard, Theresa May, the Prime Minister, back in Downing Street,

:36:22.:36:24.

contemplating the results of an extremely difficult night for the

:36:25.:36:30.

Conservatives. Emerging from this 2017 election campaign with no

:36:31.:36:34.

majority at all in the House of Commons, having to contemplate

:36:35.:36:38.

building some kind of arrangement with the unionists in Northern

:36:39.:36:41.

Ireland in order to get a majority in the Commons. We are looking at a

:36:42.:36:46.

hung parliament, a very uncertain situation. Not just in terms of

:36:47.:36:50.

Westminster, but in terms of the very, very critical Brexit talks

:36:51.:36:55.

which are meant to be starting in about ten days' time. Let's go

:36:56.:36:59.

straight to Downing Street, Laura Kuenssberg our political editor,

:37:00.:37:01.

what do you have for us this morning? Huw, what a morning. We

:37:02.:37:08.

understand Theresa May is holed up inside, contemplating how she is

:37:09.:37:12.

going to try to do a deal with the DUP, to come out with a viable

:37:13.:37:17.

government. Having had her hopes so fundamentally dashed, her political

:37:18.:37:21.

gamble having gone so badly wrong for the Conservatives. In the last

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half an hour, I have spoken to a couple of senior Conservatives. A

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senior member of the Cabinet has pulled me that she will stay. She

:37:30.:37:34.

will not change her mind. And although you say her political

:37:35.:37:37.

authority is shot and drained away, the argument is her constitutional

:37:38.:37:43.

responsible to an prerogative to hang on and try to form a

:37:44.:37:48.

government... Not just that, they are talking about imagining the

:37:49.:37:52.

alternative. Imagine if the Conservative Party, normally so

:37:53.:37:56.

ruthless, ends up with a leadership challenge. It's almost inevitable

:37:57.:38:00.

that one of the rivals would want to call an election or said they needed

:38:01.:38:04.

their own mandate, and then we are back at a general election. The one

:38:05.:38:08.

thing everyone in the Tory party can agree on this morning is that is

:38:09.:38:13.

something none of them want. Another senior Conservative who has talked

:38:14.:38:17.

directly to Theresa May told me she is resolute in the fact that she is

:38:18.:38:21.

not going anywhere. There is a bit of a sense of Tories starting to

:38:22.:38:26.

rally around, but a bit of a spanner in the

:38:27.:38:45.

works in the last few minutes, the leader of the DUP, who would be

:38:46.:38:49.

vital for Theresa May's prospects of staying on, has suggested in an

:38:50.:38:51.

interview with BBC Ulster that it may be very difficult for her to

:38:52.:38:54.

survive. If the DUP don't play ball, the calculus inside Number Ten

:38:55.:38:56.

completely changes this morning. In terms of concluding anything, I can

:38:57.:38:58.

conclude that it feels very fluid. Extremely fluid. Are you expecting

:38:59.:39:01.

to see the Prime Minister, will she make a statement? What will the

:39:02.:39:05.

morning bring? It would be unprecedented if we don't, let's put

:39:06.:39:09.

it that way. The normal routine of these things is, win or lose, Prime

:39:10.:39:14.

Ministers emerge from the door when the result is settled. Or they have

:39:15.:39:19.

a sweeping victory walk up Downing Street, with their family, their

:39:20.:39:24.

spouse or whatever. So much of this election has been unusual and

:39:25.:39:26.

unprecedented that perhaps we will not. The optics of Theresa May

:39:27.:39:32.

staying holed up inside Number Ten and not coming out at all would be

:39:33.:39:37.

extraordinary and would not look very good. But also, traditionally

:39:38.:39:42.

in these circumstances, the chairman of the 1922 committee, the group

:39:43.:39:47.

representing Tory backbenchers would traditionally have some kind of

:39:48.:39:50.

conversation with the party leader for they conclude what to do. The

:39:51.:39:55.

chairman of the 1922 committee right now is Graham Brady. My sense from

:39:56.:40:00.

sources close to him is he believes she should try to stay on. It may be

:40:01.:40:04.

that until that conversation takes place, we are not going to see

:40:05.:40:08.

anything from the Prime Minister. All we have had is guidance from

:40:09.:40:11.

Tory sources that she's planning to stay on. We have not had anything

:40:12.:40:18.

official in any way, shape or form. Bear with us. In a moment we will

:40:19.:40:22.

get a statement from Jeremy Corbyn. He is about to speak.

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It's clear the Conservatives are going to try and form a minority

:40:30.:40:35.

government, perhaps with the DUP. Are you going to try and block the

:40:36.:40:40.

move or are you going to be prepared to offer a compromise? What we were

:40:41.:40:46.

elected to do was put forward a programme, which is about ending

:40:47.:40:51.

austerity in Britain, is about supporting our National Health

:40:52.:40:55.

Service and social care service, is about proper funding of our

:40:56.:40:59.

education service and is about improving the lives of people in

:41:00.:41:05.

this country through protection of the triple-lock on pensions, for

:41:06.:41:10.

example. You sound like a man who is preparing to try and form the next

:41:11.:41:14.

government. We are ready to serve this country. That is what we fought

:41:15.:41:18.

the election for, and this is the programme we put forward. But you

:41:19.:41:23.

have also said no deals and no pacts. Is that also the case? We are

:41:24.:41:28.

offering to put forward the programme on which we fought the

:41:29.:41:32.

election. We have done no deals with anybody. We are there as the Labour

:41:33.:41:37.

Party to put our points of view, everyone knows what they are and

:41:38.:41:40.

everyone can see the huge increase in our support because of the way we

:41:41.:41:44.

conduct of the election and the comprehensive nature of the

:41:45.:41:48.

programme we put forward. Do you envisage that you would be able to

:41:49.:41:53.

form a minority government? Or are we heading, as many people are

:41:54.:41:57.

predicting, for another general election? Parliament must meet, and

:41:58.:42:02.

Parliament will have to take a decision on what happens when a

:42:03.:42:05.

government puts forward the Queen's Speech. We will put forward our

:42:06.:42:10.

point of view. We are of course ready to serve. Do you think in all

:42:11.:42:16.

this uncertainty that the Brexit negotiations should be delayed? They

:42:17.:42:19.

are supposed to be happening in 11 days. They have to go ahead. Who is

:42:20.:42:26.

going to do it? The Government in office in 11 days will have to

:42:27.:42:30.

conduct the Brexit negotiations. Our position is clear, we want a job 's

:42:31.:42:35.

first Brexit. So the most important thing is the trade deal with Europe.

:42:36.:42:43.

A good idea for Parliament would be to vote that EU nationals can remain

:42:44.:42:46.

in Britain. Do you think there should be a delay to Article 50 or

:42:47.:42:51.

any delay whatsoever to the negotiations? That decision has to

:42:52.:42:55.

be taken either parties in the negotiations. We are ready to

:42:56.:42:59.

negotiate on behalf of this country to protect jobs and to have a

:43:00.:43:02.

sensible, tariff free trade arrangement with Europe. Do you

:43:03.:43:07.

think Theresa May should resign? I said so last night, that she fought

:43:08.:43:12.

the election on the basis that it was her campaign, it was her

:43:13.:43:15.

decision to call the election, it was her name out there, and she said

:43:16.:43:19.

she was doing it to bring about strong and stable government. This

:43:20.:43:23.

morning, it doesn't look like a strong government, it doesn't look

:43:24.:43:26.

like a stable government, it doesn't look like a government that has any

:43:27.:43:30.

programme whatsoever. You can't put forward a stable government either.

:43:31.:43:38.

Maybe you should resign. We have just been elected to Parliament only

:43:39.:43:42.

a few hours ago, my party has had a huge increase in the vote, we have

:43:43.:43:45.

gained seats in every region of this country and in Scotland and Wales. I

:43:46.:43:51.

think everyone in the Labour Party, and everyone who supported the

:43:52.:43:55.

Labour Party yesterday, young people, old people, everyone in

:43:56.:43:58.

between, I think they should be very proud of what we achieved yesterday.

:43:59.:44:03.

Just to be clear, are you saying you are the victors, and you should be

:44:04.:44:07.

forming the next government? We put forward strong and hopeful policies

:44:08.:44:11.

and they have gained an amazing response and traction. I think it is

:44:12.:44:15.

pretty clear who won this election. So you should be forming the next

:44:16.:44:19.

government? We are ready to serve the people who have given their

:44:20.:44:23.

trust to us. Jeremy Corbyn, thank you very much. Labour leader Jeremy

:44:24.:44:30.

Corbyn saying that Labour is ready to serve and that the Brexit talks

:44:31.:44:34.

will have to go ahead as planned, on the timetable set out under Article

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50. Mr Corbyn's close colleague John McDonnell is with Andrew Neil.

:44:39.:44:44.

He is indeed, John McDonnell, welcome, Shadow Chancellor

:44:45.:44:50.

throughout the Corbyn years. Labour has now lost three elections in a

:44:51.:44:53.

row. Where does that leave your party? Disappointed we are not

:44:54.:44:58.

forming a majority government, but looking back on the last six weeks

:44:59.:45:03.

or so... Six weeks ago, we were 22 points behind in the polls. I was

:45:04.:45:07.

predicting that would narrow, no one believed me at the time. The

:45:08.:45:11.

achievement of this campaign has been tremendous. Did you think it

:45:12.:45:16.

would go this well for Labour? I knew that the polls would narrow and

:45:17.:45:20.

we would pick up additional seats. We have been on the ground around

:45:21.:45:24.

the country and listening. The activist base is feeding back

:45:25.:45:27.

messages of confidence so we thought, yes, we would be. Still not

:45:28.:45:31.

a majority government so I am disappointed but we have laid the

:45:32.:45:35.

foundations for the potential of a minority government and eventually a

:45:36.:45:39.

majority government. We have both been around long enough to remember

:45:40.:45:45.

1974, two general elections. The first one produced a hung parliament

:45:46.:45:49.

although it did produce a change of government too. We have yet to see

:45:50.:45:53.

that will happen. What are the chances of a second election this

:45:54.:45:58.

year or early next year? The interesting thing about the first

:45:59.:46:03.

election in 1974, Ted Heath went to the country with one question, who

:46:04.:46:06.

governs the country? The people said that's not the question, it is about

:46:07.:46:10.

our living standards. That is exactly what has happened this time.

:46:11.:46:14.

I was amazed Theresa May used that tactic. I was amazed she called the

:46:15.:46:20.

election. I could see the short-term advantage. I said the lead could

:46:21.:46:25.

easily disappear. The instability that we now have is not from the

:46:26.:46:30.

Labour Party or other parties, it is the Conservative Party itself. If we

:46:31.:46:34.

can form a minority government, I think we can have a stable

:46:35.:46:38.

government and produce eggs received programme a budget based on our

:46:39.:46:42.

manifesto, which I think could majority support. Policy by policy.

:46:43.:46:52.

That would prevent another election, because I think it will have had

:46:53.:46:57.

enough of elections. It is an interesting prospect. We know that

:46:58.:47:01.

Mrs May as we speak is trying to put together a government, trying to do

:47:02.:47:05.

a deal with the DUP - you also, Labour, speaking to the other

:47:06.:47:10.

parties, the SNP, the Greens, to try and get a minority government? No.

:47:11.:47:17.

We are not looking for a coalition. We will set out our policy programme

:47:18.:47:21.

and we will expect people to vote for it. The problem that we've got

:47:22.:47:25.

is, I don't think the Conservative Party, particularly under Theresa

:47:26.:47:28.

May, is a stable coalition in itself. I think that will fall

:47:29.:47:31.

apart. We've already seen this morning Tory MPs calling upon

:47:32.:47:36.

Theresa May to go, saying her position is untenable. We've got

:47:37.:47:41.

worse Johnson and David Davis on manoeuvres at the moment in terms of

:47:42.:47:44.

leadership. I don't think they can form a stable government. So

:47:45.:47:47.

therefore, although we have not got a naughty, which I deeply regret,

:47:48.:47:50.

forming a minority government I think is the best opportunity we

:47:51.:47:53.

have got the government which will be stable and in the interest of the

:47:54.:47:58.

country. The Theresa May was rejected, I believe, is because she

:47:59.:48:02.

put party advantage before country, and it was so blatant, and people

:48:03.:48:07.

rejected it. I take your point that a Theresa May government, the way

:48:08.:48:12.

she is trying to do it, could be unstable, but why would a minority

:48:13.:48:15.

Labour government, with no deals, you are saying, with any of the

:48:16.:48:19.

other left-wing parties, why could that be any more stable? Because we

:48:20.:48:24.

would be able to think our policy programme based on our manifesto, on

:48:25.:48:30.

a set of popular policies, which large numbers of MPs would support

:48:31.:48:34.

and would not want to be seen to be voting against. Would you take your

:48:35.:48:40.

manifesto and reconfigure that for a Queen's Speech, designed in a way

:48:41.:48:42.

which would get the broadest support? That's what we were going

:48:43.:48:48.

to do anyway. We would set out a timetable of fermentation. Say for

:48:49.:48:51.

example, we put forward the abolition of tuition fees. It is a

:48:52.:48:55.

lecturer in the popular policy, both in the country... Stream the

:48:56.:49:00.

expensive. It was but we costed it and we can afford it, with a fair

:49:01.:49:05.

taxation system, which we can. I dare any MP to vote against that,

:49:06.:49:09.

they would be grimly unpopular, if they did. They would be extremely

:49:10.:49:14.

unpopular if they did that. On that basis, we can do it. If Mrs May

:49:15.:49:19.

succeeds for a while in putting together a government of sorts, but

:49:20.:49:24.

it turns out to be unstable, you would be there, expecting the Queen

:49:25.:49:31.

to ask you all Mr Corbyn to try to form a government? I hope it isn't

:49:32.:49:36.

like that over a period of time. I hope she realises today, very

:49:37.:49:40.

quickly, that she cannot continue. I think the Conservative Party needs

:49:41.:49:43.

to recognise that it cannot re-enter government in the way that it is at

:49:44.:49:47.

the moment, it is unstable and divided. Allow us, therefore, we

:49:48.:49:52.

will be the only alternative to put forward a stable government. The SNP

:49:53.:49:57.

still have 35 MPs, if they said to you, and they have said, in general

:49:58.:50:05.

terms, we are up for a progressive government, but we want a second

:50:06.:50:08.

independence referendum, would you give that to them? No deals, no

:50:09.:50:13.

coalition is. We have put forward our policies. If the SNP want to

:50:14.:50:16.

vote for some of them, that is up to them. Politics, as you and I know,

:50:17.:50:22.

is about deals. You cannot run a minority government without deals.

:50:23.:50:30.

That is the sort of... We have all seem Borgen! Jeremy Corbyn, straight

:50:31.:50:37.

talking, honest politics, that is what people want to. That is what I

:50:38.:50:41.

believe in, and this is what I'm going to do. People support that

:50:42.:50:45.

type of politics. But you would buy dishy -- but you would by definition

:50:46.:50:52.

be a government which is actually lost the election. The Tories have

:50:53.:50:56.

won it and you have lost it. That is the dilemma everyone has got. Nobody

:50:57.:51:01.

has hosted this election, so who is best to form a stable government in

:51:02.:51:04.

the interest of the people? We believe the Labour Party can do

:51:05.:51:08.

that. Just give us the chance. How long do you think it will take it

:51:09.:51:12.

for you can see this happening? I am hoping the situation is clarified

:51:13.:51:16.

within days, otherwise we are in an impossible position with the Brexit

:51:17.:51:21.

negotiations coming. So I think the responsibility is now on Theresa May

:51:22.:51:23.

to stand down and on the Conservative Party to go away and

:51:24.:51:29.

sort itself out and let the Labour government take its place. One final

:51:30.:51:34.

point to you check if in your view what Mrs May is trying to do will

:51:35.:51:37.

lead to a unstable government, if it leads to KIND of government, it will

:51:38.:51:44.

be unstable, and if it is a minority Labour government which is doing no

:51:45.:51:48.

deals, I would suggest to you, that is unstable as well, and we will be

:51:49.:51:52.

having a second election quite soon? I believe that with sufficient

:51:53.:51:55.

political skill, a minority government will be able to provide

:51:56.:51:59.

stable government, but at a government as well, because it would

:52:00.:52:02.

be based upon policies which are popular both in parliament and in

:52:03.:52:08.

the country. We shall see. Back to you, dew. Thank you very much. I

:52:09.:52:15.

think it fair to say that we will be analysing every word of that now,

:52:16.:52:20.

asking ourselves whether John McDonnell's theory, that it would be

:52:21.:52:25.

possible for Labour to form some kind of minority administration,

:52:26.:52:30.

with policies across the House, Andy? It is very, very hard to see.

:52:31.:52:34.

Politics is about authority and it is about power, or numbers. You

:52:35.:52:39.

could see in the Jeremy Corbyn interview, they think the momentum

:52:40.:52:43.

is with them, they have a big, new, moral authority which they are

:52:44.:52:46.

revelling in. But none of that means an awful lot in policy terms an

:52:47.:52:49.

issue have got the numbers in the House of Commons. John McDonnell was

:52:50.:52:55.

saying, our very popular policy on tuition fees, lets their people to

:52:56.:52:58.

put that down. That comes with a price tag. How many Conservative MPs

:52:59.:53:02.

do we think are going to vote in favour of Labour tax rises? It is a

:53:03.:53:08.

very, very engaging sort from John McDonnell, and he's going to produce

:53:09.:53:12.

his alternative Queen's Speech, I am told, but nevertheless Labour does

:53:13.:53:17.

not have the numbers and it is highly unlikely that that would

:53:18.:53:22.

happen. It is likely that we will come out of this with Theresa May

:53:23.:53:27.

leaning, albeit unhappily, on the DUP. Yes, that seems to be

:53:28.:53:35.

fantasyland, I cannot see any circumstances... If Theresa May

:53:36.:53:39.

cannot get the deal and she cannot get a Queen's Speech through, then

:53:40.:53:42.

we could go to Labour doing it, but they don't have the numbers, it is

:53:43.:53:51.

as simple as that. It is just a nonstarter. In those circumstances,

:53:52.:53:55.

I'm afraid we are back into a second election. So, that's why I think we

:53:56.:54:01.

will probably go with the Conservative minority. I'm not

:54:02.:54:07.

surprised by what the DUP are saying, this is classic negotiating

:54:08.:54:10.

strategy, they're holding out for as much as they can get. They know how

:54:11.:54:15.

to do it! They do indeed. They're sounding bullish, Labour, they

:54:16.:54:20.

would, and to some extent, this is their opportunity to do so. But I

:54:21.:54:23.

agree, it is about numbers. You've got to have the numbers to actually

:54:24.:54:29.

form a majority. Looking at now, they're not there. It is interesting

:54:30.:54:34.

that John McDonnell said, we made no deals before this election. If you

:54:35.:54:39.

remember, Ed Miliband suffered as a result of the implications that he

:54:40.:54:45.

would do a deal, or join forces with the SNP. But now, of course, we are

:54:46.:54:49.

in this situation, they're still saying, no deal, doing it on a

:54:50.:54:54.

policy by policy basis I'm not sure would lead to what he calls a stable

:54:55.:54:57.

government, any more stable than perhaps the one we are going to get

:54:58.:55:01.

currently. So, they're going to keep saying design, because that is

:55:02.:55:06.

really all they can say at this point - she should go. And

:55:07.:55:09.

obviously, then, everything comes into play. But at the moment that

:55:10.:55:13.

does not look like it is going to happen. More reports coming in from

:55:14.:55:20.

Conservative sources, from the Telegraph, Theresa May is likely to

:55:21.:55:24.

stay on, as we have been reporting, because she does not want to allow

:55:25.:55:31.

Brussels to delay the tempted talks. Let's take a look at some of the

:55:32.:55:36.

Labour targets and see how Labour has made this advance against the

:55:37.:55:40.

Conservatives. We have put the Labour battle ground on the board

:55:41.:55:44.

for you here. And you can see, the most marginal constituency they were

:55:45.:55:49.

targeting was Gowler, just 37 votes in it. These are very marginal seats

:55:50.:55:57.

which they had their eyes on because they were close to getting them last

:55:58.:56:02.

time. Let's see the actual results, now that we know them. As you would

:56:03.:56:07.

expect, the most marginal seats, Labour has gone through like a knife

:56:08.:56:16.

through butter. This was Ed Balls' old seat, which stays Conservative.

:56:17.:56:26.

Thurrock stays Conservative. And then gradually, the Conservatives

:56:27.:56:29.

start to hold onto more. Let's have a look at so more of them. Reggie,

:56:30.:56:35.

we increase the party majority in these target seats and they

:56:36.:56:41.

gradually become harder to win. So we have Stroud and Northampton North

:56:42.:56:45.

and so on. I peeked was a big one for Labour when Tony Blair was in

:56:46.:56:52.

power, so was Cannock Chase. -- High Peak. Down here, the Conservatives

:56:53.:57:02.

are escaping Labour's clutches. They take Enfield Southgate that is on a

:57:03.:57:09.

10% swing. East Lothian, Scottish situation, slightly different,

:57:10.:57:12.

they're beneficiaries of the severe downturn in the SNP vote. Let's keep

:57:13.:57:20.

going. By the time we get to the third board here, we are on seats

:57:21.:57:23.

with quite big majorities. On the last one, High Peak had a majority

:57:24.:57:30.

of 4800. Cleethorpes, a majority of 8000. These were the seats coming

:57:31.:57:34.

out of the last election. Many of these do not change. Yes, Reading

:57:35.:57:39.

East went Labour, so did Warwick and others. But you can see on this

:57:40.:57:48.

thought that as the majority increases, as you would expect, the

:57:49.:57:52.

Conservatives hanging onto the seats they were defending. One more board

:57:53.:57:57.

for you, targets, we are deep into seats which Labour never would have

:57:58.:58:01.

expected to get. Many of them SNP seats. And we see the results. We

:58:02.:58:09.

have only got the Scottish ones, plus Canterbury, overturning that

:58:10.:58:12.

10,000 majority of Julian Brazier in Canterbury. But the question we're

:58:13.:58:17.

asking is, how is it that Labour has advanced in a perfectly logical ways

:58:18.:58:20.

through some of these seats, but a then others, the Conservatives hung

:58:21.:58:26.

on? What was it about the seats where Labour made this proportion

:58:27.:58:32.

advance which allow them to take them? Well, let's break this down

:58:33.:58:37.

and take the seats they gained here. So, these are the seats which were

:58:38.:58:40.

on the Labour target list and which they gained, starting with the most

:58:41.:58:48.

marginal, Gower. We're going to highlight the seats which voted

:58:49.:58:52.

Remain. And this is the clue. If we look here, there is nothing to write

:58:53.:58:57.

home about, they simply to the seats with the smallest majorities, as you

:58:58.:59:00.

would expect. But as we go down the board, as these seats get harder and

:59:01.:59:05.

harder for Labour to win, what we find is that Labour only gain where

:59:06.:59:11.

the constituencies voted for Rowe, so, Remain constituencies somehow

:59:12.:59:16.

turbo-charged the Labour vote, isn't that interesting? And if you look at

:59:17.:59:21.

the seats Labour lost, it is even starker. Mansfield going

:59:22.:59:30.

Conservative. And those were seats which were Brexit seats, so they

:59:31.:59:35.

weren't comfortable territory for Labour. Just some analysis therefore

:59:36.:59:40.

you of the Labour vote, and we can sum it up by going to our big pie

:59:41.:59:44.

chart which breaks down the seats in the House of Commons like this

:59:45.:59:49.

struggle you can see the dotted line at 12 o'clock, which the

:59:50.:59:51.

Conservatives have fallen just short of. Back to you, Jo Edwards. Thank

:59:52.:59:58.

you very much, that gives us plenty to talk about. If you're watching in

:59:59.:00:10.

the regions of England, you're going to get 30 minutes of news which is

:00:11.:00:14.

specific to your area. If you're watching in Scotland, Wales or

:00:15.:00:19.

Northern Ireland or on the News Channel, you are staying with us.

:00:20.:00:22.

And we will be exported all of these themes. Who knows, we may even get a

:00:23.:00:26.

senior Conservative to come along and give us a response, we would

:00:27.:00:28.

certainly like that! Theresa May is determined to stay on

:00:29.:00:46.

as Conservative leader, the BBC understands, despite a difficult

:00:47.:00:49.

night that has led to a hung parliament. Her decision to call any

:00:50.:00:54.

early general election ended with her majority wiped out. The

:00:55.:00:58.

Conservatives are still the largest party with a predicted 318 MPs, and

:00:59.:01:04.

43% of the vote, but with 11 fewer MPs. The Labour share of the vote

:01:05.:01:08.

rose significantly, with the party predicted to gain more than 30

:01:09.:01:10.

seats. A political gamble -

:01:11.:01:14.

the hope that she would transform the Tories' fragile advantage

:01:15.:01:19.

in Parliament with a huge win. But the smiles of the campaign

:01:20.:01:22.

trail have vanished. The Conservatives are set to end up

:01:23.:01:27.

worse off with a hung Parliament. If, as the indications have shown,

:01:28.:01:31.

if this is correct, that the Conservative Party has won

:01:32.:01:33.

the most seats, and probably the most votes, then it will be

:01:34.:01:38.

incumbent on us to ensure we have that period of stability,

:01:39.:01:43.

and that is exactly what we will do. And you can see what

:01:44.:01:48.

the Labour leader makes A man whose campaign

:01:49.:01:52.

confounded many expectations. Beaming smiles, with Labour

:01:53.:01:57.

on course for a far better The Prime Minister called

:01:58.:02:00.

the election because Well, the mandate she's got

:02:01.:02:05.

is lost Conservative seats, lost votes, lost support

:02:06.:02:10.

and lost confidence. I would have thought

:02:11.:02:13.

that is enough to go, actually. In Battersea, Labour

:02:14.:02:18.

have ousted a government They increased their majority

:02:19.:02:21.

in Cambridge by 12,000, and they took Peterborough

:02:22.:02:32.

from the Conservatives, boosting their share of the vote

:02:33.:02:35.

by more than 12%. The Home Secretary Amber Rudd

:02:36.:02:39.

only just scraped home The former Business Secretary Vince

:02:40.:02:55.

Cable was among four gains for the Lib Dems, but they had a shock in

:02:56.:02:59.

Sheffield where their former leader Nick Clegg lost his seat.

:03:00.:03:02.

I, of course, have encountered this evening something that many people

:03:03.:03:05.

have encountered before tonight, and I suspect many people

:03:06.:03:07.

will encounter after tonight, which is in politics,

:03:08.:03:09.

you live by the sword and you die by the sword.

:03:10.:03:11.

The night began with a projection - the exit poll.

:03:12.:03:17.

With nearly all the results in, the Conservatives are the largest party

:03:18.:03:23.

but short of an overall majority, having lost around a dozen seats.

:03:24.:03:28.

Labour are on course to increase the number of MPs by around 30. The SNP

:03:29.:03:33.

have lost big names on a disappointing night compared with

:03:34.:03:36.

their Scottish landslide two years ago.

:03:37.:03:38.

Their Deputy Leader Angus Robertson was ousted by the Conservatives

:03:39.:03:40.

and their former leader Alex Salmond lost his seat too.

:03:41.:03:43.

Now one of Theresa May's own MPs is laying the blame on her.

:03:44.:03:46.

I think she's in a very difficult place.

:03:47.:03:48.

She's a remarkable and a very talented woman, and she doesn't shy

:03:49.:03:51.

from difficult decisions, but she now has to

:03:52.:03:53.

Jeremy Corbyn's vocal support is growing.

:03:54.:04:02.

Labour may be in a clear second, but his allies say they want

:04:03.:04:05.

Mrs May says she has no intention of standing down and is working

:04:06.:04:21.

She wanted a strong, stable and triumphant return

:04:22.:04:25.

She has ended up weakened, with fewer MPs and questions

:04:26.:04:29.

The Democratic Unionist Party makes a play a pivotal role and have

:04:30.:04:42.

already said they will make their influence felt. They took ten seats.

:04:43.:04:46.

Sinn Fein won seven seats but will continue to abstain

:04:47.:04:48.

The SDLP and the Ulster Unionist Party

:04:49.:04:55.

In Wales, the Labour Party had a strong night, taking back a number

:04:56.:05:01.

The results represent a blow to the Tory party, who had hoped

:05:02.:05:05.

Plaid Cymru won four seats, and the Liberal Democrats

:05:06.:05:09.

Ukip have failed to win any seats in Parliament.

:05:10.:05:14.

Their share of the vote collapsed across Britain,

:05:15.:05:16.

and their leader Paul Nuttall came third in Boston and Skegness.

:05:17.:05:19.

The Green Party remain unchanged, with one seat.

:05:20.:05:22.

The party co-leader Caroline Lucas, who held Brighton Pavilion.

:05:23.:05:27.

Their share of the vote was down, reflecting the swing to the big

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parties. Good morning once again from the

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BBC's Election Centre. If you are just joining us, well, you are

:05:45.:05:47.

waking up to the news that there is to be a hung parliament. It's not

:05:48.:05:51.

going to be a majority Government of any colour. Certainly not

:05:52.:05:54.

Conservative, given some of the predictions that we were used to in

:05:55.:05:58.

recent weeks. This is where we are with three seats to declare. So, 647

:05:59.:06:05.

in. And the prediction is Conservatives on 316, ten short of a

:06:06.:06:09.

majority in the House of Commons. Labour on 261. We are looking at

:06:10.:06:14.

gains of 29 seats for Labour and losses of 12 seats for the

:06:15.:06:18.

Conservatives. Not where most people thought we would be this morning.

:06:19.:06:22.

So, it's a very unexpected result. It creates all kinds of uncertainty,

:06:23.:06:25.

not just in terms of the colour of the Government or indeed who will be

:06:26.:06:29.

Prime Minister, because there are questions about Theresa May's

:06:30.:06:32.

future, but of course in terms of the challenges that this Government

:06:33.:06:36.

has to tackle, the Brexit challenge principally which presents all kinds

:06:37.:06:40.

of obstacles and problems, that process starting within days. So,

:06:41.:06:44.

that's the context. To explain more about the result before I bring my

:06:45.:06:48.

guests in again, let's join Emily. I want to take you specifically to

:06:49.:06:53.

London. There is a very interesting result going on beneath the

:06:54.:06:58.

headline. It is this, Labour on 55% share of the vote. The Conservatives

:06:59.:07:05.

on 33%. Why am I pointing that out? ? They've had a good night in London

:07:06.:07:11.

and one seat is unresolved, because we understand the counters have gone

:07:12.:07:15.

home believing it was too close to call. This seat, Kensington. We are

:07:16.:07:20.

in territory where Kensington is forecast as too close to call. This

:07:21.:07:27.

has never gone Labour. It would be an extraordinary result if it were

:07:28.:07:31.

to go Labour, I am not saying it will but I can show you three seats

:07:32.:07:36.

that border Kensington which are all showing extraordinary swings to

:07:37.:07:39.

Labour. You can see in Westminster, which is a Labour seat, the swing to

:07:40.:07:45.

Labour has been 11%. In these two seats which are true

:07:46.:07:50.

blue Tory, Chelsea and City of London, contains Knightsbridge and

:07:51.:07:54.

the City, 10% swing to Labour. 9. 3% swing to Labour. Kensington requires

:07:55.:08:01.

an 11% swing for Labour to take it. If Kensington goes red tonight, then

:08:02.:08:04.

Jeremy Corbyn has achieved something that Tony Blair never did, that seat

:08:05.:08:10.

has never been Labour. Emily, thank you very much. I am

:08:11.:08:14.

thinking at the moment we are getting more reaction coming in,

:08:15.:08:18.

especially in the context of the EU because this is a crucial context

:08:19.:08:26.

for us, so the latest is - the leader of the dominant Conservative

:08:27.:08:30.

group in particle. He is saying the clock is ticking for Brexit. There

:08:31.:08:35.

is going to be pressure on this timetable. We also heard from the

:08:36.:08:42.

leading negotiator within the parliament for the liberal block

:08:43.:08:46.

within the European Parliament and he.

:08:47.:08:52.

Mitchell Barnier, the man leading the negotiations for the EU, all

:08:53.:08:58.

ready to go, all in place, as soon as this election was over to start

:08:59.:09:03.

those Brexit negotiations, I have heard that actually that date that

:09:04.:09:06.

we have been saying was not cast in stone, that was the aim. The aim was

:09:07.:09:11.

to pick up on those Brexit negotiations within ten days' time.

:09:12.:09:19.

But it is a moveable feast. Let me say more about him, leader of the

:09:20.:09:23.

big Conservative group, not just saying the clock is ticking, the UK

:09:24.:09:28.

needs a Government soon, the date for the beginning of the

:09:29.:09:30.

negotiations is unclear and then he goes on to say the EU is united, the

:09:31.:09:36.

UK is deeply split. The Prime Minister May wanted stability but

:09:37.:09:39.

has brought chaos to her country instead. That's really laying it on

:09:40.:09:47.

the line. That really is and significantly Martin Schulz, a

:09:48.:09:50.

powerful important politician in these negotiations, has

:09:51.:09:54.

congratulated Jeremy Corbyn on his performance and agreed to meet

:09:55.:09:57.

Jeremy Corbyn and said this is the end of the British plan for hard

:09:58.:10:01.

Brexit. More to the point, I am wondering is it as some people are

:10:02.:10:08.

saying, is the ex-from Brexit coming? For that to happen you need

:10:09.:10:13.

a politician with the votes in the House of Commons to actually hit the

:10:14.:10:17.

halt button. I don't see who that could possibly be at this stage. It

:10:18.:10:21.

looks as if there are numbers to have a different kind of Brexit to

:10:22.:10:25.

the one being talked about. If the pressure is going to come within the

:10:26.:10:31.

European Parliament and as you say the main Conservative block in the

:10:32.:10:34.

European Parliament, that actually now the way is wide open for a

:10:35.:10:37.

different sort of negotiation, she's going to be under a lot of pressure,

:10:38.:10:41.

Theresa May, to rethink what the lines are going to be because she

:10:42.:10:44.

will need the support in the House of Commons behind her. What will the

:10:45.:10:47.

Cabinet Secretary and the senior team around the Cabinet Secretary be

:10:48.:10:51.

thinking about this process at this stage? They'll be saying this was

:10:52.:10:56.

always going to be a difficult process. Trying to get these

:10:57.:11:01.

detailed negotiations done in two years, which is what Article 50

:11:02.:11:04.

requires, is an incredibly complex task, which most people thought

:11:05.:11:09.

would only be done in the sense of a few headlines arrangements and then

:11:10.:11:14.

a transitional deal thereafter or implementation plan to use Theresa

:11:15.:11:17.

May's words. That's become harder because at the moment the civil

:11:18.:11:21.

servants will be saying, so, what is our negotiating position? We know

:11:22.:11:27.

what the EU 27's position is. Has our position changed? Earlier we

:11:28.:11:33.

were reporting someone in the EU saying actually this is looking more

:11:34.:11:36.

flexible, but they're saying the clock is ticking and the uncertainty

:11:37.:11:39.

is on the British side. From our point of view, this timetable has

:11:40.:11:44.

started. Exactly. So, we do need very quickly to start putting

:11:45.:11:49.

together some issues about what are we going to learn from this

:11:50.:11:53.

election? Does it mean a softer Brexit, are we going to stick with

:11:54.:11:57.

the single market, look again at free movement? All those sorts of

:11:58.:12:01.

issues come back. There are key issues like the fate of EU

:12:02.:12:06.

nationals. During the election campaign Labour wanted that and the

:12:07.:12:12.

Liberal Democrats wanted that to be unilaterally done by the British

:12:13.:12:15.

Government and that was going to be part of the negotiations, will that

:12:16.:12:20.

change? The divorce bill... That's the crucial thing. It's over these

:12:21.:12:25.

things that have already been put out there and we know that the

:12:26.:12:29.

Government under Theresa May before said they wouldn't pay anything like

:12:30.:12:34.

100 billion euros which was one of the figures put out there. Is that

:12:35.:12:39.

going to be sorted first? Or will it become part of the negotiations? She

:12:40.:12:42.

is in a weaker position than before. One thing I wanted to bring in,

:12:43.:12:48.

sorry to move around a bit, but it's a very important statement that John

:12:49.:12:50.

Swinney of the SNP has made about the future of Scotland. Really

:12:51.:12:55.

important. For people who don't know John Swinney, a very important

:12:56.:12:58.

figure in the SNP in Scotland, probably now after Alex Salmond

:12:59.:13:02.

second only to Nicola Sturgeon and he said this morning that the issue

:13:03.:13:08.

of indyref 2 explains a lot about why the SNP did so badly in many

:13:09.:13:12.

seats and lost many seats and said we have to take time and care to

:13:13.:13:17.

reflect on the result and have to acknowledge that the question of a

:13:18.:13:21.

second referendum was a significant motivator of votes against the SNP

:13:22.:13:26.

in this election and we have to be attentive to that point. That's

:13:27.:13:30.

close to a senior member of the SNP saying we are giving up on indyref

:13:31.:13:33.

2. We will pick up on that. A year Craig obstacle injury is indeed with

:13:34.:13:52.

me. Big cheese in David Cameron's Downing Street. If you were still in

:13:53.:13:59.

that job, what would you be advertising MrsMay to do? She takes

:14:00.:14:04.

to take soundings from the Conservative and find out how much

:14:05.:14:07.

support. The indications are the Conservative Party seems to be

:14:08.:14:10.

saying we need another leadership election like a hole in the head.

:14:11.:14:13.

That doesn't mean to say she's out of the woods. The pressure is going

:14:14.:14:17.

to be intense but I think she's probably going to see herself

:14:18.:14:22.

through today. However you spin it, is not the harsh reality that

:14:23.:14:26.

Theresa May is a Liam duck Prime Minister now? It's extraordinary

:14:27.:14:32.

difficult if she forms a Government to have a legislative programme

:14:33.:14:34.

meaningful in any way. Any Government at the moment to going to

:14:35.:14:40.

have to do difficult things, look at what survived the Conservative

:14:41.:14:42.

manifesto like getting rid of school lunches, that kind of thing. If you

:14:43.:14:45.

have a majority of two or three that's going to be voted down in the

:14:46.:14:49.

House of Commons. Anything difficult is going to constantly come up

:14:50.:14:53.

against that. You are faced with a prospect of a Government limping on

:14:54.:14:56.

maybe for a few months and maybe another election. Lots of

:14:57.:15:01.

instability. And she would be dependent for a majority, if that,

:15:02.:15:06.

on the DUP in Northern Ireland. Arlene Foster has said this morning,

:15:07.:15:11.

head of the DUP, it may be quite hard for MrsMay to survive. Exactly

:15:12.:15:15.

that. But even if she did manage to do a deal with the DUP she has her

:15:16.:15:20.

own backbenchers with their own wants and needs and concerns. Look

:15:21.:15:28.

at somebody like Nicky Morgan and Anna Soubrey and people like John

:15:29.:15:34.

Redwood, the gulf between these people is enormous and when you have

:15:35.:15:37.

legislation that's also difficult you face the possibility of being

:15:38.:15:40.

voted down by your own party, never mind doing a deal with the DUP. You

:15:41.:15:44.

know the Tory Party and backbenchers, the only thing that

:15:45.:15:49.

really succeeds in the Tory Party is success. And lots of Tories will now

:15:50.:15:53.

regard Theresa May as a failure. I think that is true, they will feel

:15:54.:15:57.

they were taken into an election believing on the back of her name

:15:58.:16:01.

they were going to get an increased majority and she didn't deliver

:16:02.:16:05.

that, that's a problem. It is a big problem. But perhaps an even bigger

:16:06.:16:09.

problem is do we really want to be having another leadership election

:16:10.:16:12.

now and doing that at a time when the Labour Party, I think it's out

:16:13.:16:15.

of the realms of possibility, but the Labour Party is saying maybe we

:16:16.:16:20.

could form a Government. Well, that would suggest to me then that the

:16:21.:16:23.

Conservatives are between a rock and a hard place. They've got a lame

:16:24.:16:28.

duck leader, but no stomach for another leadership election. They're

:16:29.:16:31.

in an extremely difficult position. I think what will happen is by the

:16:32.:16:34.

end of this weekend we will have a sense when people have been able to

:16:35.:16:40.

phone each other, you will get a sense of what's going on and what's

:16:41.:16:43.

going to happen. At the moment I think they don't feel they've got

:16:44.:16:47.

the stomach for the fight. But you will have people agitating and

:16:48.:16:51.

saying, you said you could deliver this, you said we could go into

:16:52.:16:54.

Brexit negotiations stronger and we are not stronger. And it's all made

:16:55.:16:59.

all the worse for many Tories, Wye suggest, because it's entirely

:17:00.:17:03.

self-inflicted. The decision was taken to have an election by Theresa

:17:04.:17:06.

May. Now to be fair she was worried about the House of Lords because it

:17:07.:17:10.

wasn't in a manifesto what they were planning to do in Brexit. Lots of

:17:11.:17:12.

people in the House of Lords were saying we can play around with this

:17:13.:17:16.

as much as we want. She felt she needed a mandate to deliver that and

:17:17.:17:19.

to be fair that's the case. She was also tempted by the fact people were

:17:20.:17:23.

putting in front of her, look, you have four million Ukip votes up for

:17:24.:17:27.

grabs, we can take them all and have a majority. It could be a chance to

:17:28.:17:31.

put the Labour Party to the sword. Of course, all of that came to

:17:32.:17:36.

nothing. Why was the Tory campaign such a shambles? I think there is an

:17:37.:17:40.

enormous number of reasons that you have been going through in these

:17:41.:17:42.

interviews. One I would like to add is I would like to know what data

:17:43.:17:46.

they were working on. Because it sounds to me like some of the very

:17:47.:17:52.

punchy tweets coming out of HQ and some of the strategists saying,

:17:53.:17:55.

YouGov you have to wrong, let's see what happens on the night. Well, we

:17:56.:17:58.

did see what happened on the night. It appears that the data they were

:17:59.:18:00.

working on was not that accurate. We were told throughout the campaign

:18:01.:18:10.

to ignore the polls, the polls have not got it right, the ground war

:18:11.:18:15.

shows the Tories are doing really well and the Tories will take a

:18:16.:18:19.

number of Labour seats in the Midlands at the North. That is based

:18:20.:18:23.

on the kind of data you are talking about, it is clear that was not

:18:24.:18:28.

accurate. Go it appears that is the case. The ground war in 2015 was

:18:29.:18:34.

remarkably successful and based on hyper targeted local campaigning. It

:18:35.:18:40.

appears the Conservative Party were going for seats they could not

:18:41.:18:43.

realistically get, putting resources in those seats and possibly leaving

:18:44.:18:48.

themselves bear elsewhere. She called this election because she

:18:49.:18:53.

wanted a mandate for Brexit, that was the ostensible purpose of doing

:18:54.:18:57.

it. She called it, of course, because she thought she could win

:18:58.:19:01.

and win big, see where that got her. She does not have a mandate for

:19:02.:19:06.

Brexit now. She put her Brexit manifesto in the Tory manifesto and

:19:07.:19:11.

the people have not voted for it. She is in I'm extraordinarily

:19:12.:19:15.

difficult position, if you are the European Union negotiating on this

:19:16.:19:22.

you will say that you started off with this number of MPs, now you

:19:23.:19:25.

have fewer, when you take this back to the British Parliament can we be

:19:26.:19:28.

sure you will get it through? It will make the negotiations tougher.

:19:29.:19:33.

If we were to return, not even with another election, but to talk again

:19:34.:19:41.

in maybe October, will Mrs May still be Prime Minister? Hard to tell, it

:19:42.:19:45.

looks extraordinary difficult at the moment but it is an incredibly

:19:46.:19:49.

volatile time in politics, lots of people making correct predictions

:19:50.:19:54.

but it looks tough at the moment. It is not exactly strong and stable, is

:19:55.:19:58.

it? Having got this was the Conservative Party will not be happy

:19:59.:20:05.

but that was the campaign slogan -- having got this result, the

:20:06.:20:07.

Conservative Party will not be happy. Let's go back to Huw Edwards

:20:08.:20:13.

at the BBC Election Centre. Craig Oliver, the master of

:20:14.:20:17.

understatement, talking to Andrew at the Palace of Westminster.

:20:18.:20:22.

More news from the European Union, some conflicting signals about how

:20:23.:20:27.

they are trying to read this result, but Michel Barnier, the chief

:20:28.:20:31.

negotiator for the European Commission, these Brexit talks, the

:20:32.:20:35.

man in charge of the process, what has he said?

:20:36.:20:39.

It is very interesting, he says Brexit negotiations should start

:20:40.:20:42.

when the UK is ready. In other words, they don't think the UK is

:20:43.:20:47.

ready right now after the election result last night. Timetable and EU

:20:48.:20:51.

positions, he says, are clear. They are ready and waiting. Let's put our

:20:52.:20:58.

minds together on striking a deal. It is interesting he feels there is

:20:59.:21:01.

no point starting these very complicated discussions that they

:21:02.:21:06.

will have until he is sure that he is dealing with, yes, the right

:21:07.:21:09.

person, but also the right offer they will put on the table. As we

:21:10.:21:16.

discussed before, a representative from The European People's Party

:21:17.:21:20.

Group said that the clock is ticking and we have started already, so the

:21:21.:21:24.

pressure from one side of the EU is on Theresa May, but on the other

:21:25.:21:27.

side they are saying I only want to talk to the person in charge who

:21:28.:21:31.

knows what they are doing. That tweet from the shop on EA is not an

:21:32.:21:36.

friendly, difficult or unhelpful, it common sense. -- that tweet from

:21:37.:21:43.

Michel Barnier. He is not anti-British, he is grand committee

:21:44.:21:46.

wants to negotiate with very senior ministers only but he is not

:21:47.:21:51.

difficult for Theresa May and they have a very crucial personal

:21:52.:21:53.

connection, they are both very friendly with former French Prime

:21:54.:21:57.

Minister Bernard Cazeneuve and there is a back channel between Michel

:21:58.:22:02.

Barnier aren't Theresa May. I am stuttering slightly because David

:22:03.:22:06.

Dimbleby's wretched fly has returned to the studio. He likes you

:22:07.:22:09.

excavation we thought we had killed him but he is. No flies on me! Some

:22:10.:22:18.

thoughts on the contribution from Michel Barnier? We have a formidable

:22:19.:22:26.

opponent against us. What he is saying is I will only talk when you

:22:27.:22:30.

know what you are talking about. But at the same time we are not moving

:22:31.:22:35.

the two year deadline, we are squeezing the time and you guys need

:22:36.:22:39.

to get your act together, that is basically it. I need to jump in, one

:22:40.:22:46.

important group inside the Conservative Party is calling for a

:22:47.:22:50.

leadership election. That's likely change as the

:22:51.:22:54.

temperature. There are other things on the domestic front, Brexit is the

:22:55.:22:58.

important negotiation ahead, but looking at domestic policy you have

:22:59.:23:07.

to ask how easy will it be... To have to go through cuts, for

:23:08.:23:10.

example. That was certainly on the table in terms of welfare. She had

:23:11.:23:14.

already struggled with some of her own backbenchers in terms of support

:23:15.:23:18.

for tax credits and the national insurance contributions, that will

:23:19.:23:21.

be difficult for her in the House of Commons. And also in the House of

:23:22.:23:26.

Lords. We are talking about changes to the composition of the House of

:23:27.:23:29.

Commons so the majority has come right down. The House of Lords is it

:23:30.:23:34.

correctly as it was before, it has a built-in majority the Conservatives.

:23:35.:23:40.

Basically it will be very difficult. What the Lords will do, they will

:23:41.:23:43.

not exceed their remit but they can throw things back to the Commons to

:23:44.:23:49.

think again. Every time you do that it means another vote. If you are

:23:50.:23:53.

running a minority government, the last thing you want votes in the

:23:54.:23:57.

Commons because you just need a few rebels and it falls. Getting

:23:58.:24:01.

difficult and tough choices like cuts through will be incredibly

:24:02.:24:07.

hard. A great moment to be a Tory backbencher, they will have a lot of

:24:08.:24:12.

fun. A lot of power. The Telegraph this Breaking Bad the Shadow

:24:13.:24:15.

Chancellor John McDonnell, who we heard repeating that Theresa May

:24:16.:24:19.

should resign earlier, is saying, that Theresa May has the week end to

:24:20.:24:26.

form a government or Labour will try to form a coalition. Goes, I know

:24:27.:24:34.

you need to go and it has been great having you with us, your expertise

:24:35.:24:38.

has been a lot of value. If you were in number ten this morning, would

:24:39.:24:42.

your expectation be that the Prime Minister would emerge and make a

:24:43.:24:47.

statement at some point? I think she has to. She will go and see the

:24:48.:24:50.

Queen at some point and she should come out and say here is the

:24:51.:24:54.

strategy, this is what we will do. I complete the accept that she needs

:24:55.:25:02.

time. -- I completely accept. The DUP are tricky. She needs to get

:25:03.:25:06.

together what she will come out and say and how she will take this

:25:07.:25:10.

forward. But the clock is ticking. She needs to get on with it. Thank

:25:11.:25:18.

you very much, Gus. We were talking about Labour and John McDonnell.

:25:19.:25:23.

Owen Smith has been waiting patiently in Cardiff, he challenged

:25:24.:25:27.

Mr Corbyn for the leadership. What are your thoughts on the Labour

:25:28.:25:31.

performance overnight? I am delighted we have retained so many

:25:32.:25:34.

fantastic colleagues and got 30 new colleagues, we have a 40% share of

:25:35.:25:39.

the vote, a very good night the Labour. Unfortunately we did not win

:25:40.:25:42.

but it is an excellent performance at Jeremy Corbyn is to be

:25:43.:25:47.

congratulated for it. What do you think Labour

:25:48.:26:00.

people and voters will make of the fact that you run a campaign because

:26:01.:26:04.

you thought, let's face it, he was a dead loss as leader? I was clearly

:26:05.:26:07.

wrong in feeling Jeremy would not be able to do this well. He has proven

:26:08.:26:10.

me and lots of people wrong. I take my hat off to him. Is it down to him

:26:11.:26:13.

as a leader or Labour's policies? I think it has to be both. I don't

:26:14.:26:18.

what he has but if we could bottle it and drink it we would all be

:26:19.:26:21.

doing very well. The manifesto, I know from my campaigning and other

:26:22.:26:26.

colleagues, was incredibly popular. People warmed to the radical ideas

:26:27.:26:29.

proposed in the manifesto, they want an end to was territory and to see a

:26:30.:26:34.

government investing in public services. -- they want an end to

:26:35.:26:38.

austerity. We heard that on the doorstep. We heard from people who

:26:39.:26:46.

had not voted for a long while and some had never voted before, they

:26:47.:26:48.

voted Labour, not just young people but people inspired by the policies

:26:49.:26:51.

and, it has to be said, by Jeremy, to votes Labour. Andrew Marr telling

:26:52.:27:00.

is that it is carried juice. Where do I get some at this time in the

:27:01.:27:05.

morning?! The allotment excavation just a thought on how things move

:27:06.:27:11.

on, Mr McDonnell has basically said that Labour is standing by to form a

:27:12.:27:14.

minority government, Gus O'Donnell has said the numbers do not make

:27:15.:27:19.

sense in that regard but the only viable option is the Conservatives

:27:20.:27:24.

with the help from the DUP. Is that how you see it? I see that Theresa

:27:25.:27:28.

May has made a catastrophic mistake, not just for the Tory party bid for

:27:29.:27:32.

the country. In some respects she was right, we need stability at the

:27:33.:27:37.

point of Brexit negotiations and she has left us with a lass stable

:27:38.:27:45.

situation to go into those negotiations. The Labour Party must

:27:46.:27:47.

stand by ready to form a government right now. -- she has left us with a

:27:48.:27:53.

lass stable situation. I hope we get a stable government and that the

:27:54.:27:58.

Labour Party is able to form it. I think the manifesto we all stood on

:27:59.:28:00.

last night would transform the country and I hope we get the

:28:01.:28:06.

possibility to put it into practice. When we get Michel Barnier, the EUG

:28:07.:28:10.

from negotiator, saying they are ready to talk when the UK is,

:28:11.:28:19.

clearly reflecting the deal of uncertainty, how rigid should the

:28:20.:28:23.

process be? I think there should be flexibility but what he said was a

:28:24.:28:26.

statement of fact, they can negotiate until they know who the

:28:27.:28:30.

government of Britain is and who their interlocutors are in the UK. I

:28:31.:28:34.

think that is why she has to get on with it. John McDonnell is right to

:28:35.:28:38.

say she needs to move quickly right now. She will want a few hours to

:28:39.:28:43.

reflect but I think it is incumbent on her as the Prime Minister who

:28:44.:28:51.

called the selection, which she did not need to, let's not forget, she

:28:52.:28:54.

had a majority and did not need to go to the country because of Brexit,

:28:55.:28:57.

she did it out of political opportunism because she thought she

:28:58.:29:00.

would crush the Labour Party and she has been completely undone.

:29:01.:29:04.

Unfortunately in her undoing she has left us in a less stable state of

:29:05.:29:08.

circumstances. Given your comments about Corbyn in the past, would you

:29:09.:29:17.

serve under him if he were asked? I would serve under any Labour leader,

:29:18.:29:22.

Jeremy has lots of people who worked brilliantly alongside him in the

:29:23.:29:25.

campaign, Andrew Gwynne and others were fantastic, I am sure he has

:29:26.:29:28.

many people he will be talking to and I wish him well. That is a very

:29:29.:29:34.

modest answer. Thank you for joining us. Owen Smith, the Labour MP.

:29:35.:29:40.

A final word before the news on where we stand this morning in terms

:29:41.:29:47.

of Theresa May's options, looking ahead. I am not talking weeks and

:29:48.:29:52.

months, the next few hours. She is the vicar's daughter, if she has one

:29:53.:29:56.

thing it is a sense of duty. She knows by now it has made a big, big

:29:57.:30:00.

political mistake. She took ownership, it was her campaign all

:30:01.:30:04.

the way, her mistake, therefore she has a duty to try to hold together

:30:05.:30:08.

the Government, pick up the pieces in the short-term. I am sure in ways

:30:09.:30:19.

she would love to go off running through wheat fields again or

:30:20.:30:21.

whatever she would be doing if not leading the Conservative Party and

:30:22.:30:23.

being Prime Minister, but the Tory party is not in a fit state for

:30:24.:30:26.

another leadership election and the country would be plunged into

:30:27.:30:28.

another period of total uncertainty at a crucial moment in the Brexit

:30:29.:30:31.

negotiations, I think duty calls and she will stay. Viewers are joining

:30:32.:30:33.

us from around the UK. We better say goodbye, Gus, thanks

:30:34.:30:51.

very much. The former Cabinet Secretary is leaving us. If you are

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just joined us at the BBC election centre, if for some reason you

:30:57.:30:59.

missed this morning's necessary or have been heavily asleep overnight.

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Let me tell you Theresa May is still Prime Minister this morning but

:31:04.:31:07.

doesn't have a majority in this new parliament. It is to be a hung

:31:08.:31:13.

parliament. The prospect at the moment seems to be that MrsMay will

:31:14.:31:18.

stay in power with the help of the DUP, that's not confirmed by the

:31:19.:31:22.

way, that's just the way that the figures are stacking up. It's been a

:31:23.:31:27.

remarkable night for Labour making a few gains. Of course the

:31:28.:31:31.

Conservatives suffering losses that they never thought they would

:31:32.:31:35.

suffer. We are nowhere near the solid impressive majority that so

:31:36.:31:39.

many commentators and indeed some of of the polls had been suggesting for

:31:40.:31:43.

the Conservatives up until that exit poll came last night. So, let's go

:31:44.:31:48.

straight to one important part of the story because the result in

:31:49.:31:51.

Scotland, showing heavy losses for the SNP with gains for the

:31:52.:31:54.

Conservatives and for Labour Party, let's join Lorna Gordon there.

:31:55.:32:01.

Yeah, the SNP here in Scotland won more seats than any other party by a

:32:02.:32:05.

large margin but really I think it's fair to say this was not a good

:32:06.:32:10.

result for them. Some of the big beasts of the SNP are gone. Alex

:32:11.:32:16.

Salmond gone. Angus Robertson gone, that SNP map of Scotland in 2015

:32:17.:32:21.

where Scotland was pretty much painted SNP yellow is a patchwork

:32:22.:32:24.

quilt. We have had comments in the last couple of hours. John Swinney

:32:25.:32:31.

saying the - acknowledged the result might show that the second

:32:32.:32:35.

independence referendum, the suggestion of that, was a

:32:36.:32:39.

significant motivator of votes in this election and that the SNP had

:32:40.:32:44.

to be attentive to that. They lost 21 seats. With me we have heard from

:32:45.:32:50.

politicians, we have heard from others, but what about voters? With

:32:51.:32:54.

me are four voters who have braved the rain here in Edinburgh this

:32:55.:33:03.

morning to have a chat. Selma, David, Kim and Robert. Thank

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you for joining us, what did you vote and what do you make of the

:33:07.:33:09.

result? I voted for the SNP but I think they have to remember that

:33:10.:33:13.

from 2010 to the moment Scotland still has one dominant party,

:33:14.:33:18.

whereas the UK now appears to have a very wounded Tory Party being

:33:19.:33:23.

propped up by the DUP. That doesn't sound strong and stable to me.

:33:24.:33:26.

Certainly doesn't look a good lead into Brexit. What's going to happen

:33:27.:33:30.

to local policies throughout the UK? A big drop for the SNP, what do you

:33:31.:33:36.

think went wrong? That was a readjustment after the 2015

:33:37.:33:39.

election. What is the big elephant in the room people don't want to

:33:40.:33:48.

talk about is 2014, you have 22-45 and that came about not with one

:33:49.:33:51.

political party, that came about through a grass roots movement that

:33:52.:33:56.

transcended class and area and that is what is going to revitalise

:33:57.:34:00.

Scotland. David, you voted Conservative. Of course they had a

:34:01.:34:05.

poor night across the UK, a good night here in Scotland. What

:34:06.:34:08.

happened, what went right for the Conservatives here in Scotland? I

:34:09.:34:13.

think Ruth Davidson is the real clue to what went on, she's a fantastic

:34:14.:34:17.

leader and the team in Scotland did a fantastic job of getting out and

:34:18.:34:21.

getting the vote out. What was the policy that the Tories were

:34:22.:34:25.

campaigning on that was really just one message? It was primarily on

:34:26.:34:35.

union and anti-indyref two. I voted SNP this time around. What do the

:34:36.:34:41.

Tories stand for, I don't know. Ruth Davidson is my MSP, I never managed

:34:42.:34:44.

to get her to say anything about policy, I have asked her views on

:34:45.:34:49.

certain things, not from any sort of attacking position, to find out what

:34:50.:34:53.

she stands for and I have no idea what they stand for. Nonetheless the

:34:54.:34:58.

SNP leadership itself seems to be acknowledging that a significant

:34:59.:35:01.

part of this vote, the drop in the number of MPs, they'll be returning

:35:02.:35:05.

to Westminster, is down to the fact this was a vote against a second

:35:06.:35:11.

independence referendum. Yeah, but we should be voting on policies. We

:35:12.:35:14.

are having a general election about which way we want to run the

:35:15.:35:18.

country, not about another referendum. Who did you vote for and

:35:19.:35:26.

why? Ian Murray, my Labour MP, he is an excellent constituency MP and I

:35:27.:35:30.

feel he needed the support, I am surprised and delighted so many more

:35:31.:35:35.

Labour MPs got in this time. Also because I feel strongly that I want

:35:36.:35:39.

to send a message that I don't want another referendum. I don't. It's

:35:40.:35:44.

curious, though, that you seem to be voting for a constituency MP on

:35:45.:35:48.

constituency reasons. But you look across Scotland, there has been a

:35:49.:35:53.

surge as well in the Labour vote, it seems to be down to Jeremy Corbyn

:35:54.:35:58.

but your MP is not a great fan of Jeremy Corbyn. I don't know that it

:35:59.:36:03.

is necessarily Jeremy Corbyn. I took the view that it was probably people

:36:04.:36:10.

voted SNP, having usually been a Labour supporter, have now got

:36:11.:36:13.

cheesed off with the SNP and what they keep banging on about and gone

:36:14.:36:18.

back to what they originally supported and believed in. That's my

:36:19.:36:22.

view, I don't know if that's supported by fact. What do you

:36:23.:36:26.

think? In view of the fact that every time Kezia Dugdale and Jeremy

:36:27.:36:31.

Corbyn got together, you got a disagreement, Kezia Dugdale can't

:36:32.:36:34.

keep the Scottish Labour Party together. Stirling constituency

:36:35.:36:43.

Labour Party said vote Tory. In Aberdeen there was a break away from

:36:44.:36:49.

the Labour Party. The whole thing is actually crumbling. That has what

:36:50.:36:52.

has allowed the Conservative Party to come back into Scotland. For

:36:53.:36:58.

Labour to be telling Labour to vote tactically, to vote for Tories, is

:36:59.:37:03.

unbelievable in Scotland. It will not continue. David, as a

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Conservative voter, do you think a second referendum is dead and

:37:08.:37:11.

buried? You can never say that. I think the SNP will come back with

:37:12.:37:15.

some story that would indicate it is still on the table. Definitely. My

:37:16.:37:19.

prediction is, this will sound crazy, the Tories will go back and

:37:20.:37:24.

say the SNP is wounded in Scotland, let's put this to bed forever, this

:37:25.:37:30.

referendum, they'll have it and then lose it. What do you make of that?

:37:31.:37:35.

Who, the Tories will lose again? Because the Tories consistently

:37:36.:37:38.

lose. You said it. Every time you call one of these referendum, you

:37:39.:37:43.

lose it! Tories consistently lose in Scotland! We are in confusing times.

:37:44.:37:49.

What is that Chinese curse, may you live in interesting times, we live

:37:50.:37:51.

in interesting times. Thank you very much for that. Never a truer word

:37:52.:37:57.

was said. We live in confusing and very interesting times. Not least

:37:58.:38:02.

here in Scotland. Lorna, thank you very much. Thank

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you to your guests too. 648 results have come in. We have two to go. One

:38:08.:38:12.

is Cornwall North. We are expecting the Conservatives to hold on. That

:38:13.:38:18.

would give them 318. That will take them up to 318. Our forecast is 319

:38:19.:38:23.

because that includes the forecast for Kensington. But as I was saying

:38:24.:38:28.

they've taken a break there because it's so tight and the word a while

:38:29.:38:32.

ago before they took a break to start counting again, was that

:38:33.:38:38.

Labour were just ahead. The Conservatives could end up, not on

:38:39.:38:43.

319 but on 318. That's the picture. Two results to come in. We are now

:38:44.:38:47.

certainly looking at, as we have been saying repeatedly, a hung

:38:48.:38:51.

parliament. A word from David Miliband. Yes, he tweeted saying

:38:52.:38:58.

wow. So good. Labour stronger, so good brutal Brexit rejected. So good

:38:59.:39:02.

next generation realised the stakes and spoke up. David Miliband of

:39:03.:39:06.

course wanted to be Labour leader. Beaten by his brother Ed Miliband

:39:07.:39:11.

who lost the election in 2015. There he is, from his position in New York

:39:12.:39:16.

saying that he thinks brutal Brexit has been rejected. And saying that

:39:17.:39:21.

is down to the younger generation. When the polls were looking and

:39:22.:39:23.

projecting what the result was going to be it looked as if the younger

:39:24.:39:27.

generation was going to come out in big numbers for Jeremy Corbyn but

:39:28.:39:30.

the fear was they might not come out and vote. It looks in some places as

:39:31.:39:34.

if they did. Thank you. I was mentioning Kensington. Look at these

:39:35.:39:37.

images. It tells you something about the state of exhaustion.

:39:38.:39:43.

After a very long night. We do symphathise. Yes, it's a weary look.

:39:44.:39:51.

That time already! And this is the team in Kensington

:39:52.:39:56.

where basically a short time ago they were all told you have had a

:39:57.:40:02.

very hard night, still no result. Then, you know, take a break. Come

:40:03.:40:06.

back later. We may not get a result in Kensington later today. It may

:40:07.:40:10.

even be tomorrow. So, let's fill in a little more detail on Kensington

:40:11.:40:14.

and go to Emily. I have been hearing off record there

:40:15.:40:18.

are about 35 votes in it. They've done a couple of recounts already

:40:19.:40:22.

that might explain the looks of utter exhaustion on the faces.

:40:23.:40:26.

Labour has been ahead in one of those recounts. If there are just 35

:40:27.:40:30.

votes in it you can see why they might have paused for a moment to

:40:31.:40:33.

make sure they're not missing things and seeing double. Dropping things

:40:34.:40:37.

on the floor. And have decided to suspend it to come back. It's

:40:38.:40:43.

incredibly tight. The reason for that is that the sitting MP for the

:40:44.:40:49.

Conservatives was a Brexiteer in a very Remaining part of London. We

:40:50.:40:53.

often talk in these terms on a night like tonight of swings and

:40:54.:40:58.

majorities and maths involved in a hung parliament and coalition. It

:40:59.:41:02.

all comes down to personalities. It is the political careers that we

:41:03.:41:05.

have been watching again on a night like tonight. I have picked out a

:41:06.:41:08.

few. They've really been the drama of the

:41:09.:41:13.

night. One is Sheffield Hallam, one of the most poignant images was

:41:14.:41:19.

seeing Nick Clegg lose his seat. He said I have never shirked from

:41:20.:41:28.

fighting political battles. He lost out here on a pretty tight race. He

:41:29.:41:34.

is no longer an MP. The Lib Dems losing out. Tim Farron held on in

:41:35.:41:50.

Westmorland and Lonsdale. Gordon, another big beast, Alex Salmond lost

:41:51.:41:53.

out to the Conservative Colin Clarke. Will he be having a word

:41:54.:41:58.

with Nicola Sturgeon perhaps about the kind of campaign that the SNP

:41:59.:42:02.

have run? Hastings, we were watching this with a lot of trepidation for

:42:03.:42:12.

Amber Rudd. She held on. The Labour Party will be disappointed to miss

:42:13.:42:17.

this, it would have been huge to take, the sitting Home Secretary.

:42:18.:42:22.

One more to bring you. Ipswich. This is Suffolk, we don't expect any red

:42:23.:42:28.

in a part of the world like this. But Ben Gummer, not only was one of

:42:29.:42:32.

the Cabinet Office ministers, but actually responsible for some of the

:42:33.:42:36.

manifesto writing and policies in it, lost his seat to sandy Martin.

:42:37.:42:43.

One person who has had an excellent night, the big green beast, Caroline

:42:44.:42:48.

Lucas who nearly doubled her majority in the only seat they hold.

:42:49.:42:52.

Thank you very much. Emily with the laitest and some of

:42:53.:42:57.

the personalities. We have been talking about the permutations for

:42:58.:43:01.

Government and talking about Theresa May probably having to rely on the

:43:02.:43:05.

DUP. Let's go to Belfast and Chris Page

:43:06.:43:13.

is there. Your thoughts on what the likely parameters will be, what will

:43:14.:43:16.

the conversation be like between Theresa May and the DUP? The DUP

:43:17.:43:20.

have found themselves in a position they've never been in before as

:43:21.:43:24.

potential King-makers in a hung parliament. Perhaps understandably

:43:25.:43:27.

they're not giving away too much publicly as to what the price for

:43:28.:43:30.

their support might be. But if you look at what they've said in the

:43:31.:43:35.

past about this and their manifesto this time around, you might get some

:43:36.:43:40.

clues. Back in 2015 when everybody expected a hung parliament that

:43:41.:43:44.

didn't actually happen in the end, the DUP spoke often of what they

:43:45.:43:48.

would do, what their attitude would be if they found themselves in a

:43:49.:43:51.

position of influence. On that occasion they said they wouldn't

:43:52.:43:55.

want to take Ministerial positions, but they would rather support a

:43:56.:43:59.

Government under a confidence and supply arrangement. This time they

:44:00.:44:03.

haven't specified whether they would ask for seats around the Cabinet

:44:04.:44:09.

table or if they would accept a confidence and supply move. As

:44:10.:44:13.

regards policies, they may ask for financial assistance for Northern

:44:14.:44:16.

Ireland, for the likes of infrastructure projects. If you look

:44:17.:44:19.

at their manifesto, some of the economic policies, well, on the

:44:20.:44:24.

broader issues they would want the triple-lock in pensions retained, a

:44:25.:44:27.

cut in VAT from tourism businesses, they would want the personal tax

:44:28.:44:33.

allowance increased. You may well get some discussion around draweder

:44:34.:44:37.

policy issues, not just matters that solely affect Northern Ireland. A

:44:38.:44:43.

big one will be Brexit. The DUP passionately supported Brexit. They

:44:44.:44:46.

were probably the most Eurosceptic party in the UK until the rise of

:44:47.:44:55.

Ukip. They may push for some flexibility for Northern Ireland, a

:44:56.:44:59.

stronger voice for Northern Ireland around the Brexit negotiating table

:45:00.:45:01.

and some flexibilities, particularly when it comes to that all-important

:45:02.:45:05.

issue of border controls between Northern Ireland and the Republic.

:45:06.:45:09.

They have said as Theresa May herself has said, that they want

:45:10.:45:14.

crossing the border to remain as seamless and expect that on the wish

:45:15.:45:20.

list. Thought on the broader picture in

:45:21.:45:29.

Northern Ireland? A strong motor for the DUP and Sinn Fein. Remarkable to

:45:30.:45:37.

see here the UUP, the SDLP and the Alliance with nothing. The DUP and

:45:38.:45:41.

Sinn Fein have taken their dominance politics in Northern Ireland to way

:45:42.:45:46.

whole new level. Very few if any predicted they would wipe out the

:45:47.:45:50.

nationalist SDLP and the Ulster Unionist Party, but that has

:45:51.:45:56.

happened overnight. DUP have gained two seeds, Sinn Fein have gained

:45:57.:46:02.

three, and Lady Sylvia Hermon is the only other MP in Northern Ireland,

:46:03.:46:09.

the independent unionist. The SDLP have no MPs at Westminster, there

:46:10.:46:13.

will be no Irish nationalist representation on the bench as the

:46:14.:46:16.

House of Commons because Sinn Fein, as Irish republicans, do not take

:46:17.:46:20.

their seats. The last century, the UUP was the fourth largest party in

:46:21.:46:25.

the House of Commons, that is a pub quiz questions and people have been

:46:26.:46:28.

asked excavation up now they are reduced to no MPs. The last time

:46:29.:46:33.

they won two seeds back after going without any MPs for five years, now

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their tally is zero once more. Thank you very much, Chris, in

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Belfast, with the latest on the picture in Northern Ireland, which

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is a very important picture of this Government jigsaw. What will

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Conservative backbenchers make of it? The former Deputy Speaker Nigel

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Evans joins us. We are reporting a very unexpected story in some ways,

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what do you make of it? Totally baffled. Normally when you win 42%

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of the National vote you expect a big majority, Tony Blair got that

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with 44%, a landslide. But did not happen for us. The question is why.

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The answer has to be that the campaign was going absolutely

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swimmingly until we launched our manifesto. And then on the horizon,

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way in the distance, the liner heading towards a landslide victory

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which none of this really believed, we thought we would get a big

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majority but nothing like 150 or 160, but we steered the line

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straight towards the iceberg called social care, the triple lock, winter

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weather payments and, quite frankly, that is all people wanted to talk

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about. For several days we derailed our own campaign, we very well

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hijacked our successful campaign and we were not talking about the Labour

:47:52.:47:54.

Party any more or what their policies were, we were talking about

:47:55.:47:58.

social care policies and trying to justify them. Then we had to clarify

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them and the whole thing went downhill. Who takes responsibility

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for that? I want to know, I want to know who was responsible for putting

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that in the manifesto and, quite frankly, there has to be... I know

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you will want to know whether I support Theresa May, the answer is

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yes. 43% of the vote, we did remarkably well in Scotland and we

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were making some games. But the fact is we had a whole range of seats we

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should have won, we could not win Lancaster and Fleetwood back with

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only a couple of hundred majority, we could not even win the City of

:48:35.:48:39.

Chester. Loads of our candidates who should have won up and down the

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country were absolutely slain on the cross of our own manifesto. Big

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questions will be asked about the governance and the style of

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governance. We cannot carry on in that way. Had the manifesto with

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some of those bad traps in its been shown to some of the older, wiser

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cabinet members before it had been announced, surely it would not have

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even featured in the manifesto. It has cost us the general election.

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Noted you expressed support for Theresa May but you would have to

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acknowledge that she really is the authority behind the manifesto and

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really there has been a lot of talk about the way that she runs things

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with a very tight team, the very point you are making about not

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canvassing opinion more widely. Is it possible to retain authority

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going into such a very challenging period, not least with the Brexit

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talks happening in ten days? I believe so and I believe it will be

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talked about in the 1922 committee. I am one of the joint secretaries to

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that committee. I am certain Theresa May will want to explain how there

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will be a change in the way that we will do things. Had some of the

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Cabinet ministers seem that policy beforehand then surely that's never

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would have featured in our manifesto at all. Never have I seen a very

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successful campaign up until that point being hijacked by ourselves.

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We hijacked our own campaign. From then on it was an absolute disaster.

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To be clear, if any of your colleagues pop-up asking for the

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Prime Minister to stand down, you will tell them they are wrong? Yes,

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I will be supporting Theresa May to come to some coalition deal with the

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DUP in order that in 11 days' time we will be starting Brexit

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discussions and, as I said, Theresa got a 43% share of the vote and in

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normal times that it would have been a very good majority for us. But the

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fact is that it lots of seats up and down the country it was polarised,

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the Lib Dems were hammered in the vast majority of seats, in Southport

:50:50.:50:54.

in the north-west where they had held they ended up third and the

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Conservatives gained that seat. 43% was a very strong percentage but the

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fact is that the Labour Party were able to talk about all the things

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they were offering, including free tuition, so lots of young people

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turned out that normally do not and said they would vote for the Labour

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Party and they manage 41% of the vote and clung onto lots of the

:51:17.:51:20.

seats that otherwise would have gone the way of the Conservatives. Even

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in my own seat, my vote was almost 32,000, the biggest it has ever

:51:28.:51:31.

been, but the Labour Party God went up to 18,000, the biggest it has

:51:32.:51:36.

ever been. The Lib Dem and Green votes were crushed, and you can put

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crushed all over the place, 3% of the national vote. When you would

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normally expect the Ukip vote to mostly come to the Conservative

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Party, that simply did not happen. On a number of doorsteps I heard

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people say I voted for Ukip before, I was going to vote Conservative but

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now I have seen what you are going to do, what you have put in your

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manifesto, what you will do to my winter weather payments, I am not

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coming with you. That cost us lots of seats. Good to

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talk to you, Nigel Evans, thank you. The former Conservative Cabinet

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Minister Nicky Morgan joins us. Thank you. What do you think of the

:52:16.:52:22.

position this morning? Clearly it was stunning, a huge

:52:23.:52:26.

shock to everybody, you could see that on the faces throughout the

:52:27.:52:30.

night. This is clearly not the result that any of us wanted when

:52:31.:52:34.

the Prime Minister called the election way back in April. It has

:52:35.:52:38.

been eight at seven weeks and I want to say that I really feel for

:52:39.:52:44.

colleagues who have lost their seats -- it has been a tough seven weeks.

:52:45.:52:49.

Force India who has been an MP for two, seven or ten years -- for

:52:50.:52:55.

somebody who has been an MP for two, seven or ten years and then not to

:52:56.:52:59.

be, it is age Mendis shock and we all feel for them. -- it is a

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tremendous shock. We have discussed Theresa May's position with Nigel

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Evans, what are your thoughts on how she can carry on? Do you acknowledge

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her authority has been badly damaged by this result? This is a result

:53:18.:53:21.

that she absolutely did not want and none of us wanted. That will make

:53:22.:53:26.

life difficult. I think she should carry on, I think she is entitled as

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Prime Minister to see if she is able to form a Government. I think there

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has been talk and I came in as you were talking about the DUP and a

:53:37.:53:39.

potential coalition with them, it is right that she does. I think people

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want there to be parity about leadership, we have the very

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important Brexit negotiations starting in 11 days, there is a

:53:49.:53:53.

Cabinet in place, in David Davis we have a Brexit Secretary who stop the

:53:54.:53:57.

negotiations, I think that should happen. Nigel is right, there will

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be discussion within the Conservative Party about the

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campaign. Can you tell viewers today that

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following this campaign and, indeed, some events that happened before the

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campaign, that you have confidence in Theresa May's leadership this

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morning? I think that Theresa May is

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absolutely a competent, a more than capable Prime Minister and leader of

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the party but clearly there has been a misjudgement in the way that we

:54:26.:54:31.

started off thinking there would be a significant win for the

:54:32.:54:33.

Conservative Party, that has not happened and we need to understand

:54:34.:54:38.

why. There are two things, having a Government prepared to negotiate

:54:39.:54:41.

Brexit, which I think most people in the country wants to see, and there

:54:42.:54:45.

is what will happen in the Conservative Party, which is for us

:54:46.:54:48.

to deal with, I am not sure it is of great wider interest to the

:54:49.:54:54.

electorate. Thank you, Nicky Morgan, the former Conservative Cabinet

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minister. Peter Kelly has joined us, a quick thought? The polls before

:54:57.:55:04.

the exit poll on the whole set the Conservatives would win big. Two

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years ago when I was a pollster, we got it badly wrong, we said would be

:55:10.:55:12.

a hung parliament and it was not. Most of the polls have gone the

:55:13.:55:19.

other way this time, two pollsters can hold their heads up high, the

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first is one of the newer companies which has consistently said for the

:55:25.:55:32.

last two days it was a very tight race, and the other is my old

:55:33.:55:36.

company, YouGov. They did something very brave and innovative, they

:55:37.:55:41.

collected answers from 50,000 people, 7000 today, and enquired in

:55:42.:55:43.

great detail into the demographics of it and then produced, very

:55:44.:55:49.

bravely, a look at each constituency. They were mocked when

:55:50.:55:53.

they said Amber Rudd might be in trouble in Hastings, she was. They

:55:54.:55:56.

were mocked when they said Labour might win Canterbury for the first

:55:57.:55:59.

time ever, it did. They were mocked when they said Labour was ahead in

:56:00.:56:05.

Enfield Southgate, it has won Enfield Southgate. My old company,

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nothing to do with me now, did something very brave and got it

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right. Even a newspaper which commissioned the polls did not quite

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believe them. The Times kept saying this is a very brave unsurprising

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poll. -- brave and surprising poll. We will pick up the polling point in

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more detail, because it is interesting, you mentioned the

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Times, Andy, and Andrew Neil hasn't guests from the breast, let's join

:56:32.:56:35.

him. We do indeed, Huw. It is raining in

:56:36.:56:40.

Westminster, public Tory tears given the state of the election result,

:56:41.:56:44.

lots of weeping and gnashing of teeth but we have two while members

:56:45.:56:48.

of Her Majesty's press, Kevin Maguire of the mirror, James Forsyth

:56:49.:56:52.

the Spectator. James, let me come to you. Malfunctioning Maybot, the

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people say no, wrong can she survive as Prime Minister? That is a

:57:05.:57:07.

question the Cabinet were debating in the early hours of Blast. Some

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people thought she had to try to carry on in the national interest

:57:11.:57:13.

with the Brexit negotiation so close, others thought she went to

:57:14.:57:17.

the country seeking a majority and a mandate and she got neither, but I

:57:18.:57:24.

think she will carry on for a short period. The Tory party want to get

:57:25.:57:28.

back into office, they do not want another election in the autumn. They

:57:29.:57:32.

worry that the momentum is with Labour and another election will be

:57:33.:57:36.

even worse than them. That happened in 1974 when Mr Wilson won leg, it

:57:37.:57:40.

was a hung parliament but by October he had won a small overall majority.

:57:41.:57:46.

I do not think the Tories think that is an option, I think she will do a

:57:47.:57:52.

deal with the DUP and governed for a period. The authorities she had has

:57:53.:57:56.

gone now. Even those in the Cabinet who say they want her to stay are

:57:57.:58:00.

talking about how the style of number ten has to change, it has to

:58:01.:58:03.

be genuinely collective decision-making. This would be a

:58:04.:58:06.

very different Premiership from the one she has had to date. She has

:58:07.:58:15.

never changed, why should we she tried to make a great virtue of that

:58:16.:58:18.

in the campaign, it has backfired hugely. We are old enough to

:58:19.:58:26.

remember -- we are old enough to run but that she said she had no

:58:27.:58:29.

intention of calling a general election. When she say she has no

:58:30.:58:33.

intention of resigning we take it with a pinch of salt. We know she

:58:34.:58:37.

will never fight another election. The Tories are wonderfully ruthless,

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that is why they have been in power for most of the last century. At

:58:42.:58:45.

some point they will push her and she is gone from somebody who had a

:58:46.:58:49.

magic spell, broken completely, her authority is shot to pieces. By

:58:50.:58:56.

seeking to consummate the marriage she has entered the honeymoon with

:58:57.:58:59.

the public and her own party. One of the thing saving her is that there

:59:00.:59:04.

is no obvious alternative. Philip Hammond is not a more charismatic

:59:05.:59:08.

politician than Theresa May. Is he still around, I haven't seen him? Is

:59:09.:59:14.

he still Chancellor? He is probably laughing now. His fingerprints are

:59:15.:59:20.

not on this. He was human gated. David Davis is getting a lot of lame

:59:21.:59:25.

because he was one of those urging her to go for the early election, he

:59:26.:59:28.

said it is much more sensible for the sake of the Brexit timetable, so

:59:29.:59:34.

he is tainted by that. There is a Brexit backlash element, Boris

:59:35.:59:38.

Johnson has a ?350 million problem, Amber Rudd, one of the Tories who

:59:39.:59:41.

enhance their reputation chewing the campaign, has a wafer thin majority

:59:42.:59:46.

in Hastings and there is a question about whether you can be a Prime

:59:47.:59:50.

Minister when your constituency is so small. Ruth Davidson, who has

:59:51.:59:57.

come out of this with her reputation enhanced, is not even an MP. John

:59:58.:00:00.

McDonnell told me earlier that they are on stand-by to form a minority

:00:01.:00:06.

government, but no deals with the SNP or the Lib Dems or the Greens?

:00:07.:00:10.

That is not have a minority government works, by definition you

:00:11.:00:14.

need to do deals? There would be a lot of backroom deals, I think he

:00:15.:00:19.

means no formal coalition as we saw between the Conservatives

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