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To my knowledge, that question was raised before the referendum took | :07:14. | :17:34. | |
place, and I have to say that at that moment, I thought that I | :17:35. | :17:41. | |
understood at least politically it was not pursued, and probably the | :17:42. | :17:46. | |
British court did not refer to the European Court of Justice when those | :17:47. | :17:50. | |
issues were raised. But I think that legally there was a strong ardent in | :17:51. | :17:58. | |
that respect. If the UK citizens that are residing | :17:59. | :18:02. | |
in other member states, many of them did not have the right to vote in | :18:03. | :18:08. | |
the referendum. So in my view, they will have a stronger argument | :18:09. | :18:15. | |
invoking the way they lost, they will lose European citizenship, | :18:16. | :18:21. | |
because they will be forced to advocate from that censorship in | :18:22. | :18:24. | |
light of a decision-making in which they had no voice. So, for this | :18:25. | :18:29. | |
subset of citizens, I think there would have been a basis to challenge | :18:30. | :18:34. | |
a decision. It is not to say that a member state has no right to | :18:35. | :18:38. | |
withdraw, but to say, even a decision for a member state to | :18:39. | :18:42. | |
withdraw has to take Place in accordance with certain fundamental | :18:43. | :18:46. | |
principles, and one of them will be, for example, the right of | :18:47. | :18:49. | |
participation for all of citizens of the member states. They are not | :18:50. | :18:54. | |
deprived of that decision by the simple fact that they want to live | :18:55. | :18:58. | |
in another member state. If you think about that, that was the | :18:59. | :19:04. | |
crucial aspect. In my view, that in itself, legally, will be a strong | :19:05. | :19:07. | |
argument. I understand, politically at this point, it would be highly | :19:08. | :19:12. | |
unlikely that even the Court of Justice will accept to take the | :19:13. | :19:19. | |
decision. But in legal terms, I think there's a strong foundation in | :19:20. | :19:25. | |
that argument. There is one other possibility that is to have some UK | :19:26. | :19:31. | |
citizens may be maintaining sedition ship of the European Union and | :19:32. | :19:36. | |
others won't. -- citizenship. This is a bit of a provocation. Nothing | :19:37. | :19:42. | |
prevents a part of the United Kingdom to stay and another part to | :19:43. | :19:45. | |
leave. We have a president with that. It's called Greenland. We have | :19:46. | :19:50. | |
the case of one member state where part of its territory left the | :19:51. | :19:54. | |
European Union, and another part stayed. So in principle, nothing | :19:55. | :20:02. | |
will prevent for the territories, for example, of Northern Ireland and | :20:03. | :20:05. | |
Scotland to stay in the European Union, and for the rest of the | :20:06. | :20:09. | |
territory of the United Kingdom no longer to be part of the European | :20:10. | :20:13. | |
Union. Of course, this would be convex to organise in practice. It | :20:14. | :20:20. | |
will require Scotland and Ireland to remain part of the European Union | :20:21. | :20:23. | |
and part of the United Kingdom. But it will not be impossible. Still, it | :20:24. | :20:29. | |
would be again very problematic in political terms, and the | :20:30. | :20:33. | |
consequences of it will make it difficult. If you think about it, I | :20:34. | :20:38. | |
think on the one hand, one risk will be economic for the UK, because | :20:39. | :20:44. | |
naturally, you will have, for Scotland and Northern Ireland, | :20:45. | :20:46. | |
extremely positive. They will attract lots of investment and | :20:47. | :20:51. | |
companies that will locate in those territories because they will | :20:52. | :20:55. | |
benefit from those markets. But of course, for the rest of the United | :20:56. | :20:58. | |
Kingdom, it would be even more dramatic because there will be | :20:59. | :21:02. | |
its territory. For the European its territory. For the European | :21:03. | :21:06. | |
Union, the difficulty will be that if this will take place without the | :21:07. | :21:13. | |
UK formally leaving as a state, because part of its territory will | :21:14. | :21:17. | |
stay, in the same way that happened with Denmark and Greenland, it will | :21:18. | :21:22. | |
mean that a representation of that part of the territory will be made | :21:23. | :21:27. | |
by the UK Government, not by the Scottish and the Northern Ireland | :21:28. | :21:30. | |
government. Another point, because in terms of this to be then, without | :21:31. | :21:39. | |
living and coming in as Scotland and Northern Ireland, in terms of state | :21:40. | :21:43. | |
secession, the representation of this part of the territory will have | :21:44. | :21:47. | |
two be continued by the United Kingdom central government. Of | :21:48. | :21:51. | |
course, there will be the possibility to live as the UK and | :21:52. | :21:59. | |
come in as part of the UK. That will be another alternative. | :22:00. | :22:04. | |
On the question of the European Union citizens rights in the United | :22:05. | :22:15. | |
Kingdom, just a couple of issues, if we say that we are going to protect | :22:16. | :22:20. | |
the rights of those of European citizens that are currently in the | :22:21. | :22:23. | |
United Kingdom, what's the cut off date? Some people have said the date | :22:24. | :22:28. | |
of the referendum. Others have said the date when the exit agreement, or | :22:29. | :22:33. | |
the new agreement, or both... | :22:34. | :22:36. |