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From meltdown to cold shutdown. Japan says the crippled Fukushima | :00:10. | :00:15. | |
nuclear plant is now stable. The clean up could take decades and | :00:15. | :00:19. | |
will cost a fortune. Will Japan ever regain its faith in nuclear | :00:19. | :00:29. | |
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Welcome to GMT. I'm Stephen Sackur. Also in the programme: Bradley | :00:36. | :00:39. | |
Manning, the US soldier accused of spilling a treasure trove of | :00:39. | :00:45. | |
secrets to WikiLeaks, gets his first day in court. Christopher | :00:45. | :00:47. | |
Hitchens, the contrarian whose writing delighted and enfuriated | :00:47. | :00:57. | |
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many millions across the world, has It is 12:30pm here in London, | :00:59. | :01:03. | |
4:30pm in the afternoon in Moscow and 9:30pm in the evening in Tokyo, | :01:03. | :01:05. | |
where Japan's Prime Minister has told his nation the Fukushima | :01:05. | :01:10. | |
nuclear plant is now stable. Nine months after the earthquake and | :01:10. | :01:13. | |
tsunami which devastated the plant, Yoshihiko Noda says it is now in | :01:13. | :01:19. | |
cold shutdown. That is a key milestone in efforts to bring the | :01:19. | :01:22. | |
plant under control, but the nuclear disaster is likely to haunt | :01:22. | :01:32. | |
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Japan for decades. Roland Buerk joins me live now from Tokyo. | :01:33. | :01:39. | |
caught them be the key issue of 50 ft up the men and women who say | :01:39. | :01:47. | |
Japan. -- the Fukushima 50. It seemed there was no hope. In recent | :01:47. | :01:52. | |
months, thousands more have joined the fight. They have achieved their | :01:52. | :01:59. | |
goal. The reactors are in a more stable phase. Ever since explosions | :02:00. | :02:03. | |
shook the Booker Shearman plant nine months ago, his struggle has | :02:03. | :02:13. | |
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been under way to bring it under control. -- figure she man. -- | :02:13. | :02:22. | |
Fukishima. It is in a state of colt shut down. Leaks of radiation have | :02:22. | :02:29. | |
been substantially reduced. TRANSLATION: Since I took office, I | :02:29. | :02:38. | |
have been saying for Japan to be reborn, the nuclear power plant had | :02:38. | :02:44. | |
to be saved. It needed to be stabilised. Since 11th March, we | :02:44. | :02:50. | |
have been working to get the reactors under control. | :02:50. | :02:54. | |
disaster has shaken the confidence of the Japanese in nuclear power. | :02:54. | :03:00. | |
It used to provide a third of its electricity. Almost all of the | :03:00. | :03:05. | |
country's reactors up off-line, because of local safety fears. This | :03:05. | :03:11. | |
is just one milestone on what will be a very long road to recovery. | :03:11. | :03:17. | |
The exclusion zone around the power station remains in force. Tens of | :03:17. | :03:21. | |
thousands of people used to live here - cleaning up the radiation | :03:21. | :03:28. | |
will mean removing the top soil from the valleys and mountains. A | :03:28. | :03:34. | |
flat on the 26th floor in Tokyo is where this man had been staying, | :03:34. | :03:39. | |
since they fled their home near the plant. The view it is good but they | :03:39. | :03:44. | |
cannot replace the garden they planned to spend their retirement | :03:44. | :03:54. | |
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tending. We do not know where we belong. I cannot discard a way our | :03:56. | :04:03. | |
own house and garden. They are waiting for us, I believe. | :04:03. | :04:08. | |
Decommission Inc the power station is the next step. The preferred | :04:08. | :04:14. | |
option for Japan is to dismantle it piece by piece. There have been | :04:14. | :04:19. | |
warnings that the process could take up to 40 years. The Japanese | :04:19. | :04:25. | |
government is promising to reassess the exclusion zone. So much | :04:25. | :04:29. | |
radiation has been released that some towns could remained | :04:29. | :04:36. | |
uninhabitable for decades. The couple feel they have been lied to | :04:36. | :04:41. | |
so often that it is hard to believe their reactors up in cold shut down | :04:41. | :04:46. | |
now. They want to return home, whatever the risks. Let's take a | :04:46. | :04:49. | |
look at some of the other stories making headlines around the world | :04:49. | :04:57. | |
today. Tens of thousands of children have suffered sexual abuse | :04:57. | :05:02. | |
in Dutch Catholic institutions since 1945. That is according to a | :05:02. | :05:09. | |
report by an independent commission of inquiry. There are 800 alleged | :05:09. | :05:13. | |
perpetrators. 100 are still alive. The Church should act immediately | :05:13. | :05:18. | |
on these findings. What is important today is what the next | :05:18. | :05:25. | |
steps will be after the bishops. They have postponed their actions | :05:25. | :05:34. | |
for one and a half years. From now there is no excuse. What we expect | :05:34. | :05:41. | |
is a recognition of all those crimes. We're talking about crimes | :05:41. | :05:44. | |
against children. We will reconciliation and compensation for | :05:44. | :05:51. | |
the suffering that was done to all the victims. The US Army Private, | :05:51. | :05:53. | |
accused of supplying hundreds of thousands of secret documents to | :05:53. | :05:55. | |
whistle-blowing website WikiLeaks, is appearing for the first time | :05:55. | :05:58. | |
before a military court. Bradley Manning was serving as an | :05:58. | :06:00. | |
intelligence analyst in Iraq when he allegedly accessed military | :06:00. | :06:10. | |
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files. Our correspondent joins me live from Washington. It seems a | :06:11. | :06:18. | |
long time ago that Bradley Manning was taken into detention. How close | :06:18. | :06:23. | |
are we to a full military court martial? This is what the hearing | :06:23. | :06:29. | |
today will determine. Not in just one day but over the next few days. | :06:29. | :06:35. | |
This is what is called an Article 32 hearing. It could take a few | :06:35. | :06:39. | |
days until the judges decide whether he should be court- | :06:39. | :06:45. | |
martialled. It appears as though he -- it is the likely outcome but we | :06:45. | :06:49. | |
will have to see what happens when the hearing starts. It is taking | :06:49. | :06:54. | |
place in Fort Meade in Merrie Ireland, which is a very secretive | :06:54. | :07:03. | |
military base. -- Maryland. It is interesting that private manning | :07:03. | :07:09. | |
should be appearing there. He has been held for a long time - 19 man | :07:09. | :07:14. | |
since he was arrested in Iraq. He has pleaded not guilty to charges | :07:14. | :07:20. | |
of aiding the enemy at transmitting national defence information. | :07:20. | :07:24. | |
includes a very serious charge of aiding the enemy. What punishment | :07:25. | :07:29. | |
does he face if, ultimately, the miniature court finds him guilty? | :07:29. | :07:37. | |
He could face life in prison, which is quite a serious verdict. At this | :07:37. | :07:42. | |
stage, there are still several other options that the judges could | :07:42. | :07:46. | |
take. They could dismiss the charges. They could charge him for | :07:46. | :07:52. | |
some of the lesser charges he is facing. There are about 20 of them. | :07:52. | :07:57. | |
It is not just about what happens to private Bradley Manning. The US | :07:57. | :08:02. | |
government is also trying to send a message to anyone else who may | :08:02. | :08:09. | |
consider leaking any information. This is about the sentence that he | :08:09. | :08:14. | |
could face but it is an attempt by the US government to send this | :08:14. | :08:18. | |
message. There are a lot of those who said that what he did in the | :08:18. | :08:23. | |
end did not cause that much damage. American diplomacy has more or less | :08:23. | :08:29. | |
recovered. There was not that much information that was unknown in the | :08:29. | :08:33. | |
other documents he leaked from Army records. What the Government is | :08:33. | :08:39. | |
trying to do is send a message that this should not happen again. | :08:39. | :08:45. | |
you very much for joining us. Russia has surprised the UN | :08:45. | :08:48. | |
Security Council members by circulating a new resolution on the | :08:48. | :08:51. | |
Syrian crisis. It urges all sides to abandon violence and use | :08:51. | :08:53. | |
dialogue. It refers to the Syrian Government's disproportionate use | :08:53. | :08:58. | |
of force. Western nations have expressed doubts about the draft | :08:58. | :09:05. | |
but say they are willing to The crew of a Russian fishing | :09:05. | :09:08. | |
vessel have been evacuated from their boat in Antarctica, after it | :09:08. | :09:12. | |
struck ice in the Ross Sea. The Sparta issued a May Day call early | :09:12. | :09:15. | |
on Friday morning, triggering an international alert. Rescuers from | :09:15. | :09:18. | |
new Zealand are expected to take several days to reach the stricken | :09:19. | :09:24. | |
boat. The self-styled international revolutionary known as Carlos the | :09:24. | :09:27. | |
Jackal has been convicted and sentenced to life in prison, by a | :09:27. | :09:30. | |
French court. The Venezuelan national was found guilty of | :09:30. | :09:33. | |
mounting four bomb attacks in France in the 1980s which killed 11 | :09:33. | :09:43. | |
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people. He is already serving a 2011 welfare ever be remembered as | :09:52. | :09:58. | |
the Year of popular revolution in the Middle East. It started when | :09:58. | :10:02. | |
Muhammad was easy set himself on fire. He had been banned from | :10:02. | :10:06. | |
selling fruit to earn a living. That triggered a remarkable series | :10:06. | :10:13. | |
of events that had begun -- become known as the Arab Spring. We have | :10:13. | :10:18. | |
been looking back at a tumultuous year in the Arab world. It has been | :10:18. | :10:24. | |
a year like no other in the Middle East. Some rulers have gone, others | :10:24. | :10:29. | |
survived, others are still in turmoil. It started in Tunisia. A | :10:29. | :10:34. | |
year ago, police stopped a young vendor from selling his fruit on | :10:34. | :10:41. | |
the street. In protest, he set himself on fire - frustrated and | :10:41. | :10:46. | |
furious at a corrupt and all- powerful regime. He died a week | :10:46. | :10:50. | |
later and it touched a nerve. People came out and dared to | :10:50. | :10:56. | |
denounce the Government. Abruptly, the President lost control and fled. | :10:56. | :11:02. | |
His regime was suddenly over. The touch paper of revolution had been | :11:02. | :11:09. | |
lit. When it spread to Cairo, people asked, could Egypt be next? | :11:09. | :11:13. | |
They shared the frustrations of Tunisia. Power concentrated in the | :11:13. | :11:20. | |
hands of an unelected -- unelected elite and rampant corruption. | :11:20. | :11:27. | |
are tired. President Mubarak had a huge, all-pervasive security | :11:27. | :11:33. | |
network. Word of the protests spread on Facebook and Twitter. | :11:33. | :11:38. | |
Mubarak fled with his family. In Libya, revolt began in the east, | :11:39. | :11:43. | |
the region long rebellious against the role of Colonel Gaddafi. He | :11:43. | :11:48. | |
called the rebels rats and cockroaches and about to crush them. | :11:48. | :11:53. | |
He and his family lived in a world divorced from reality. It looks | :11:53. | :11:57. | |
like the stalemate and the Western pack and help from Arab states | :11:58. | :12:03. | |
drove the troops of Gaddafi back. He was dragged out of a drainage | :12:03. | :12:09. | |
pipe and shot by his own people. In Yemen, popular protest against the | :12:09. | :12:13. | |
33-year-old ruler has been complicated by tribal rivalries. | :12:13. | :12:19. | |
The President has agreed to step down. For now, his relatives are in | :12:19. | :12:24. | |
powerful positions. Bahrain has seen the most serious violence in | :12:24. | :12:34. | |
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the Gulf. There is so much tension in these Shi'ite villages. When | :12:35. | :12:39. | |
there are security forces, often it ends in tear gas, have more wins | :12:39. | :12:46. | |
and more animosity. Syria has suffered terribly. Countless people | :12:46. | :12:52. | |
have been tortured. The president appears to be in denial. Note | :12:52. | :12:59. | |
government in the world kills its people. It is led by a crazy person. | :12:59. | :13:05. | |
I became president because of public support. The movement many | :13:05. | :13:10. | |
called the Arab Awakening has yet to run its course. What started | :13:10. | :13:14. | |
with the Tunisian throat seller is now unstoppable. The Arab world has | :13:14. | :13:23. | |
had enough of dictatorship. Still to come: Surviving on odd jobs. We | :13:23. | :13:28. | |
investigate the workforce in Indonesia where over half the | :13:28. | :13:36. | |
population is employed in the informal economy. Let's stick with | :13:36. | :13:41. | |
business - formal and informal. Let's start with more bad news for | :13:41. | :13:48. | |
some of the world's biggest banks. You are not going to use the line, | :13:48. | :13:55. | |
Fitch has an itch! It has downgraded six of our major global | :13:55. | :14:03. | |
banks. But Keyes in the UK, Deutsch Bank in Germany, -- Barclays. They | :14:03. | :14:07. | |
are saying there has not been a sudden deterioration of the books | :14:07. | :14:11. | |
but more about the sensitive exposure to the market - basically | :14:11. | :14:16. | |
to the eurozone and its huge debt. We know that banks are starting to | :14:16. | :14:21. | |
dry up the lending they usually do between each other. They have been | :14:21. | :14:25. | |
relying on central banks around the world. If banks stop having access | :14:25. | :14:34. | |
to many, could we see another Banks have to bring up their | :14:34. | :14:38. | |
capital levels, and there is no way of lending more and doing that. The | :14:38. | :14:43. | |
key thing is, where is that lending going to continue? If it continues | :14:43. | :14:46. | |
in the small to medium-sized businesses, then maybe we will see | :14:46. | :14:49. | |
the economy move forward. If it stops in that particular segment it | :14:49. | :14:54. | |
is going to get a lot worse before it gets better. Last week, the | :14:54. | :14:58. | |
European Central Bank lent out for 2 billion euros to European banks | :14:58. | :15:02. | |
in one week, that is not sustainable! I happen to know you | :15:02. | :15:06. | |
are not the biggest computer gaming fan, but even you must be excited | :15:06. | :15:15. | |
about what has happened to this company. They make online games, | :15:15. | :15:19. | |
games you can only play on Facebook, and they are going public today on | :15:19. | :15:24. | |
Wall Street, expecting age huge debut. They sold 100 million shares | :15:24. | :15:30. | |
at 10 bucks each. He is the interesting thing, they have 2 | :15:30. | :15:33. | |
million users a month, but they only make revenue from a 3% of | :15:33. | :15:38. | |
those. The question I put to an expert is how do they make their | :15:38. | :15:44. | |
money? It is the new metric, you get not for three, access to most | :15:44. | :15:49. | |
of it, with a bit of adverts, or you can upgrade people and convince | :15:49. | :15:54. | |
them to buy extra items for the Games, to be able to play quicker. | :15:54. | :15:57. | |
That appeals to quite a lot of people that don't necessarily want | :15:57. | :16:03. | |
to sit there the entire time, they want to go in, play, get excited, | :16:03. | :16:08. | |
and they are happy to pay for that. It also gives investors a chance to | :16:08. | :16:13. | |
pay -- jump on the back of the growth of Facebook. Let's have a | :16:13. | :16:23. | |
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Thank you. We do want to hear what you think, so do get in touch with | :16:27. | :16:33. | |
us here at G and T. Go to the website, or you can watch | :16:33. | :16:43. | |
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This is GMT, from BBC World news. The headlines: Japan says the | :16:49. | :16:52. | |
crippled Fukushima nuclear plant is under control, but it could take | :16:52. | :16:58. | |
decades to clean up. Bradley Manning, the US soldier | :16:58. | :17:00. | |
accused of spilling secrets to WikiLeaks, gets his first day in | :17:01. | :17:08. | |
court. Indonesia is home to the world's | :17:08. | :17:11. | |
biggest -- a 4th biggest population of young people, but many of them | :17:11. | :17:15. | |
end up surviving on or jobs to make a living. It is estimated that more | :17:15. | :17:19. | |
than half the working operation in the country is employed in the | :17:19. | :17:25. | |
informal sector, which is how focus in the latest of our series on the | :17:25. | :17:30. | |
young and jobless. Our Indonesia correspondent reports from the city | :17:30. | :17:37. | |
of Makassar in South Sulawesi. This port is bustling with | :17:37. | :17:41. | |
fishermen selling their goods at dawn. This city has historically | :17:41. | :17:45. | |
been one of the centres of Trade and Commerce in Indonesia, but for | :17:45. | :17:50. | |
the use here, it is getting harder and harder to find work. -- for the | :17:50. | :17:54. | |
youth. This part has one of the highest used unemployment rate in | :17:54. | :17:58. | |
the country. Many of the young people who end up doing odd jobs or | :17:58. | :18:03. | |
fishing to make ends meet. Experts say the fact that so many of | :18:03. | :18:06. | |
Indonesia's youth population end up in the informal sector is one of | :18:06. | :18:10. | |
the main reasons this country's economy could fail to reach its | :18:10. | :18:16. | |
full potential. This 22-year-old is one of the lucky ones. She is now | :18:16. | :18:22. | |
the proud owner of this mobile- phone repair shop. She got help - a | :18:22. | :18:25. | |
freedom of the technical training course paid for by the | :18:25. | :18:28. | |
International Labour Organisation. But there is no security net | :18:28. | :18:32. | |
working in the informal sector. She wants to turn her business into | :18:32. | :18:39. | |
illegitimate one. TRANSLATION: If I can, I want to register my business | :18:39. | :18:43. | |
so it becomes a legal entity. That way, I can get a bank loan easily, | :18:43. | :18:48. | |
but I don't know how to do that. Most in donations never even have | :18:48. | :18:53. | |
the chance to think that big. -- most Indonesians. This 21-year-old | :18:53. | :18:57. | |
had big dreams, like so many of his peers, when he first got to Jakarta | :18:57. | :19:00. | |
five years ago. But he didn't have the right qualifications, so | :19:00. | :19:05. | |
couldn't get a job. Now he sells magazines at traffic junctions to | :19:05. | :19:11. | |
make ends meet. TRANSLATION: I wanted to do work that fits my | :19:11. | :19:16. | |
skills, not like this. I want to get a real job, but I only have an | :19:16. | :19:20. | |
elementary school education, so it is impossible to stop this is an | :19:20. | :19:25. | |
exceptionally young country. the full potential of Indonesia's | :19:25. | :19:30. | |
youth isn't being recognised. The challenge for Indonesia is to tap | :19:30. | :19:33. | |
this bought -- a huge source of talent to ensure that young people | :19:33. | :19:41. | |
here get a -- shot at making it in life. | :19:41. | :19:45. | |
For more insight into the global informal economy, we can speak to | :19:45. | :19:48. | |
Robert Neuwirth, altar of Stealth of Nations - the Global Rise of the | :19:48. | :19:56. | |
Informal Economy, first of all, could you give us the epic scale of | :19:56. | :20:01. | |
the informal economy across the world? Well, it is huge. The | :20:01. | :20:05. | |
statistics are that more than one half of the working people in the | :20:05. | :20:11. | |
world work of the box and in the informal economy. -- Off the Box. | :20:11. | :20:17. | |
This is legal product been dealt with in an unregistered way. In | :20:17. | :20:22. | |
total, that amounts to 10 trillion dollars of economic activity, so if | :20:22. | :20:26. | |
the informal economy was organised as a nation state, it would be his | :20:26. | :20:32. | |
second largest in the world. But of course it is not. Should we regard | :20:32. | :20:36. | |
the size of the informal economy as a fundamental negative for the | :20:36. | :20:41. | |
world? The people in it are not paying tax, their work is not being | :20:41. | :20:45. | |
regulated, conditions can be appalling, is this a negative? | :20:45. | :20:49. | |
would flip it around and say that it is a negative on the way that | :20:49. | :20:53. | |
the formal economy works, that half the workers of the world are shut | :20:53. | :20:57. | |
out from it. We need to look at this sector of the economic | :20:57. | :21:01. | |
activity of the world as tarnishing its growth potential, and looking | :21:01. | :21:06. | |
at how we can make it a positive for the world. You have spent a | :21:06. | :21:11. | |
couple of years living in different parts of the world, a study in the | :21:11. | :21:15. | |
informal economy up close. Is it your conclusion that people within | :21:15. | :21:23. | |
the shadow economy would like to move into the official economy? | :21:23. | :21:27. | |
Only if it makes sense. It is a question of profit margins. If it | :21:27. | :21:32. | |
makes sense to become a registered Corporation, Shaw, but if not, and | :21:33. | :21:37. | |
they can expand their business without getting registered, then | :21:37. | :21:41. | |
people are content to what we call the shadows. But it is not a | :21:41. | :21:45. | |
shadowy realm, they are doing business openly on the streets, so | :21:45. | :21:49. | |
we're not talking about some clandestine opening -- underground. | :21:49. | :21:53. | |
We are talking about honest entrepreneurship. The question is, | :21:53. | :21:57. | |
how can we encourage them to grow their businesses in ways that help | :21:57. | :22:04. | |
the nation's? There is no doubt that criminal enterprises also does | :22:04. | :22:08. | |
eat away inside this informal sector. You talk about a 10 | :22:08. | :22:12. | |
trillion dollar industry, what proportion of that is involved with | :22:12. | :22:17. | |
criminal or underground activity? In reality, none of it. The | :22:17. | :22:25. | |
statistics I am using scream out actual criminality, drug dealing, | :22:25. | :22:31. | |
arms dealing, so those criminal networks are not included -- screen | :22:31. | :22:36. | |
out. They would be another former quadrillion, perhaps. But there are | :22:36. | :22:41. | |
legal people are the mass of this, so to talk about criminality is a | :22:41. | :22:46. | |
canard. A what proportion of the people in this industry, roughly, | :22:46. | :22:50. | |
are working in conditions that we, in the official economy, would | :22:50. | :22:54. | |
regard as completely unacceptable? That is a very difficult | :22:54. | :22:58. | |
calculation to make. I don't really know, but I can tell you that in | :22:58. | :23:02. | |
the developing world, many of the formal but it is also don't have | :23:02. | :23:05. | |
the social security predictions, unemployment protection, but we | :23:05. | :23:11. | |
take for granted here. So it is hard to argue that people are being | :23:11. | :23:15. | |
exploited in the informal economy, when the formal economy exploits | :23:15. | :23:20. | |
people as well. Thank you are joining us. | :23:20. | :23:23. | |
The controversial British-born author and journalist Christopher | :23:23. | :23:27. | |
Hitchens has died at the age of 62 after a long and public battle with | :23:27. | :23:31. | |
cancer. He began his career in Britain as a left-wing journalist, | :23:31. | :23:35. | |
but later moved to New York and angered many of his former allies | :23:35. | :23:40. | |
by supporting the US invasion of Iraq. | :23:40. | :23:43. | |
Christopher Hitchens was a provocative bigger, describing | :23:43. | :23:48. | |
himself as an essayist and contrarian. An author of 17 box, he | :23:48. | :23:57. | |
was an atheist and alcoholic. -- 17 blogs. Diagnosed with cancer last | :23:57. | :24:02. | |
year, he spoke to Newsnight about his declining health. I am afraid | :24:02. | :24:08. | |
of a sordid death, afraid that I would die in an ugly or squalid way. | :24:08. | :24:13. | |
Cancer can be very pitiless in that. I feel a sense of waste about it, | :24:13. | :24:21. | |
because I am not ready. I feel a sense of betrayal to my family. | :24:21. | :24:25. | |
began his career in Britain, moving to New York in the 1980s. His death | :24:25. | :24:29. | |
was announced by Vanity Fair, where he worked as a contributing editor. | :24:29. | :24:39. | |
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One of those who did know him was the deputy prime minister, Nick | :24:47. | :24:51. | |
Clegg, who worked for him as an intern. He said Christopher | :24:51. | :24:54. | |
Hitchens was infuriating and brilliant, and that he will be | :24:54. | :24:57. | |
massively missed by everyone who values strong opinions and great | :24:57. | :25:04. | |
writing. We can speak now to the director of | :25:04. | :25:08. | |
a documentary about Christopher Hitchens. He is joining us from | :25:08. | :25:13. | |
Calcutta. You were a friend, collaborator, just tell me, what is | :25:13. | :25:21. | |
your overriding memory of Christopher Hitchens? Generosity. | :25:21. | :25:25. | |
Generosity and largeness, unfortunately, in many ways! A lust | :25:25. | :25:31. | |
for life. His was a life well and truly lived. Well lived, in the | :25:31. | :25:37. | |
sense that his experience was extremely wide and deep. Truly | :25:37. | :25:41. | |
lived in the sense that he didn't suffer fools gladly, he didn't po | :25:41. | :25:51. | |
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party lines, he thought for himself. Fiercely independent thinking was | :25:51. | :25:55. | |
all important to him. I called him a contrarian earlier in the | :25:55. | :25:59. | |
programme, did he actively relish generating a huge amount of | :25:59. | :26:07. | |
argument and heat? Yes, I think he did. And there was a very poor | :26:07. | :26:15. | |
formative aspect to him. -- perform. I considered setting up a debate | :26:16. | :26:19. | |
between him and George Galloway in the Albert Hall, which would have | :26:19. | :26:23. | |
been done. He did court that to an extent, but he was always sincere | :26:23. | :26:30. | |
in his positions. I think very rare are the occasions when he inflated | :26:30. | :26:37. |