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Fierce fighting in Colonel Gaddafi's final strongholds.

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Libya's new rulers launch an assault. Anti-Gaddafi fighters pour

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into Bani Walid. Is the end of Colonel Gaddafi's resistance

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approaching? Welcome to GMT. Also in the

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programme, Palestinians facing the diplomatic heat as they prepare

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their UN bid for stated. Washington warns of negative consequences. --

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statehood. And months of protest by hundreds

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of thousands of students in Chile. Why is the country's education

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system in crisis? It is 7:30am and Washington DC and

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1:30pm in the Libyan capital of Tripoli where the country's interim

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government has given the green light for an assault on Colonel

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Gaddafi's few remaining strongholds. Eyewitnesses reported heavy

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fighting in Bani Walid. In Sirte, to the north, loyalists are putting

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up fierce resistance. As to Gaddafi's whereabouts, Libya's

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rulers insist he is in the country but do not know where.

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They gave the enemy a deadline. It has now run out. Military columns

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of the National Transitional Council and their orders to go in

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and oust Gaddafi loyalists. Two key towns are under attack. The last

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stands of a civil war. They moved towards the heart of Sirte, an

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ancient Mediterranean city made rich from Gaddafi's patronage. On

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the way, they clear buildings were loyalists are hiding. And they take

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casualties, too. A sniper, killed in a firefight. They discover

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shallow graves of loyalist fighters. Fighting is now in Sirte and Bani

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Walid. Further south, Sabha and smaller pockets are holding out.

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Outside of Bani Walid, it was hoped that leaders of the local crime

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would hand over the town but it has not worked out like that. On the

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cusp of victory, peppered with threats from the dictatorship.

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TRANSLATION: They have come to Tripoli to sign agreements with

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traitors. These people pretend that they have come to rebuild Libya but

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at the same time, they carry on destroying its buildings, schools,

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factories and hospitals. Colonel Gaddafi's strongholds are

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surrounded but the transitional council has yet to control the

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whole country. Richard Galpin joins us from the

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Libyan capital. We have a renewed assault, we continue to see

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sustained resistance. Does this seem like the end game? It is very

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difficult to make that call. We have had a lot of false starts

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before. The assault on Bani Walid started one week ago. We were there

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and the forces loyal to the interim government were saying it would be

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over in a matter of hours. Here we are, one week on, and there is a

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major assault going on in Bani Walid. It is coming from the north-

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west and from the east. It seems clear that there are more fighters

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involved. The numbers were pretty small were we were there. A lot of

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the fighters were inexperienced. It seems that more fighters have moved

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in, with more reinforcements on the way. It is a major assault. As they

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tried to get in, to control the key parts of the city centre, we

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understand they are facing heavy resistance from loyalists. At the

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moment, the battle continues and we do not know whether this assault

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will be a successful or not. And we should not forget that there is a

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similar situation in Sirte with an offensive that was repelled to a

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certain extent. I just wonder whether you're getting indications

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in Tripoli that officials believe that Colonel Gaddafi may be in

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either of these towns? That has been the rumour. Not so much Sirte

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but certainly Bani Walid. There had been rumours about the Gaddafi

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family. Colonel Gaddafi, I think not. Certainly, we interviewed the

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end of the entrant government, a couple of days ago, and we asked

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him how the hunt for Colonel Gaddafi was going. He said that he

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believes he is in southern Libya. So we think he is not in Bani Walid.

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Certainly, there have been rumours from the fighters around the town

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saying that one of his sons, possibly Saif al-Islam, is there.

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He has been seen their not so long ago. And possibly also Mussa

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Ibrahim, Colonel Gaddafi's main spokesman. These are rumours. There

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are contradictory accounts. Other people say that yes, they may have

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been here when they withdrew from Tripoli but it is unlikely they

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would allow themselves to be cornered. Thank you very much. Let

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us look at the other stories. Widespread flooding has brought

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misery to a swathe of territory in southern Pakistan. Over 200 people

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have died, 200,000 are said to be homeless and it is feared that 2

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million have been infected with disease. The region are still

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recovering from last year's devastating floods. The current

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situation could deteriorate rapidly. Live now to Sindh Province and Det

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Aleem Maqbool. What is the latest situation where you are? We had

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been travelling across the rural areas of this province, is fast

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province. We have been travelling for eight hours and the entire way,

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we have seen water on either side of us. We have seen people grabbing

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belongings. In some cases, they had to do it very quickly. There was

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flash flooding in many areas. They went to higher land with whatever

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livestock they could find. Often the only high land was the road, so

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we were weaving through a tense and livestock. -- through tents. We

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have been seeing the carcasses of dead animals. They have been

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several occasions where we have looked out to our left and see

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nothing but water. And we are a few hundred kilometres from the sea.

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gave some depressing statistics at the beginning, the scale of this

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disaster, with a couple of hundred 1000 people homeless and up to 2

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million suffering from water-borne disease. Is it your impression that

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the authorities, the Government, the military are able to cope and

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that the rescue effort is reaching everywhere it needs to reach?

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are two things going on. There is a visible military presence. The army

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is carrying. Rescue missions in boats and by a helicopters. --

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carrying out rescue missions. Just as it was last year, there are lots

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of complaints about the aid effort and the Government's capacity to

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deal with all of this. Eight has been very patchy. We have gone

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through Sindh Province and we have seen so many communities were

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people have said they have not seen any aid at all. That is why you're

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getting these problems. People are so desperate for clean water that

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they are resorting to drinking floodwaters in many cases. And

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there are dead bodies of animals lying around, there is much concern

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that many more people will get ill and will die because of this.

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Maqbool, thank you very much. Human Rights Act of this say that

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Syrian security forces had shot dead at least four people during a

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raid on a town near this central city in Syria. Meanwhile, Lebanon

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says that Syria has fired into their territory and people fleeing

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across the border are now being targeted. The Lebanese claimed the

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patrol came 200 metres into Lebanese territory. Locals say that

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the shooting went on for two hours. In recent months, refugees have

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been moving across the border between the two countries.

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For one of four miners trapped underground in South Wales has been

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found dead. It is hoped the remaining men in the Swansea Valley

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have found pockets of air in which to shelter after water burst

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through a retaining wall and cut off their escape route.

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In Australia, firefighters had been fighting a blaze in a chemical

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factory in Canberra. This is what Firefighters have gained control of

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the Inferno, which billows toxic smoke across the capital. Many

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residents had to evacuate the area. Anyone within 10 kilometres was

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told to stay indoors and keep their windows closed. Two people have

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been treated for smoke inhalation. Over 2000 have been arrested in

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China as part of a crackdown on gang related crime. Chinese

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television broadcast images of Swat teams carrying out raids on a mafia

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gang who police believe are involved in the production of drugs.

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Coming up, postman Pat. Do you remember him? It is 30 years since

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the friendly postman was created. First, the business news. Aaron

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Heselhurst is here. It is the Eurozone again. Finance ministers

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meeting in Poland. Not just European finance ministers, it is

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also the US treasury secretary, Tim Geithner. What are they saying?

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fact that he is there highlights that there is growing international

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worry that the Eurozone problems could spread. Number one on the

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agenda, increasing the rescue pot. At the moment, it is 250 billion

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euros but that is nowhere near enough if the bigger countries get

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into trouble, like Italy and Spain. Also, Greece, on the agenda.

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Willetts default? Austria's Finance Minister said earlier today that a

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Greek default would be the cheapest option for the Eurozone. The reason

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being that the more money you throw into Greece, the bigger their

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problem gets. All the time, it will press down on Greek growth, which

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is collapsing. It fell by 7% in the second quarter. Official forecasts

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are for a return to bolster growth next year but that looks hopelessly

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optimistic. In that environment, it will never get better. The GDP

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ratio will be 152170%, and the default risk will remain high.

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there is momentum in Germany, Finland, Slovakia, where people are

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saying, enough is enough. They are seeing a slowdown in their own

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economies. So still the focus on sovereign debt. And yet one of the

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bigger stories over the last couple of days has been the debts run up

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by a banker working for DPS. He is being questioned over these

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unauthorised trades. It was him who went to the UBS management to

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notify them, and that is a huge worry. That highlights the fact

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that if this can happen at UBS, it could possibly happen in other

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banks. Let us listen to this. happened in the equity trading

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division of the UBS, one of the biggest traders of equities in the

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world. It has world-class systems and a long track record. You have

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to assume that if they cannot control this, then you cannot

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expect other banks to be able to control it. That is a worry. The

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markets are roll-up on the back of the move by the five central banks

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saying they would pump US dollars into the liquidity market. That has

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eased some of the pressure. -- the markets are all up.

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Get in touch with us here and tell us what do you think. You can see

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highlights of the programme on our This is GMT. Here are the

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headlines: Forces loyal to Libya's interim government launch a major

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military assault on Colonel Gaddafi's final strongholds in such

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-- including his home town. Flood misery in Pakistan as 200,000

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people are homeless and 2 million exposed to disease. Emergency teams

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struggled to reach the worst affected areas.

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The Obama administration is putting intense diplomatic pressure on the

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Palestinians to dissuade them from applying for full membership of the

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United Nations at the General Assembly next week. In a few hours'

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time, Mahmoud Abbas will address his people to explain the reasons

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behind the decision to seek UN recognition. It is a move opposed

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by Israel and by the US government. In an interview with the BBC, the

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US ambassador to the UN said that the proposed bid for Palestinian

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statehood would set back prospects We share the aspiration for the

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creation of a Palestinian state but that can only be accomplished

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through direct negotiation between the Israelis and Palestinians.

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There is no short cut to where we pass a resolution in the General

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Assembly and the Security Council. In the real world, it creates a

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Palestinian state. The issues that divide them, boarders, security,

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Jerusalem, refugees etc, can only be resolved through director Nick

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associations at the negotiating table and that's why we view the

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Palestinian potential drive to come to the City Council and the General

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Assembly as counter-productive. Those negotiations are effectively

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dead at the moment. 20 years of a US-led negotiations have not got

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anywhere and the Palestinians are saying, we need something to keep

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the state to States alive a. There is no magic wand which can be

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waived in the New York to make everything right. There is a risk

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in that because if you are an average person in the territories,

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and your hopes have been raised that by some action in New York,

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something will be different, the reality is, nothing will change.

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There will be no more sovereignty, no more food on the table. This gap

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between expectation and reality is quite dangerous for the there is

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the risk Palestinians look at what happens in the United Nations next

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we can say to themselves, the path of diplomacy has not work. The

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miscalculation is it by coming to the UN in some fashion, they will

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be in a better position to negotiate. There will not be a

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credible environment for Nick associations. It will be much

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tougher. After action in New York. If the aim is to isolate and

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confront his role, then that is not going to encourage Israel to come

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back to the negotiating table any sooner. The diplomatic manoeuvring

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around the UN General Assembly next week has already begun and for more

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on the planned Palestinian statehood UN full membership bid,

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we're joined from Jerusalem by Professor Gerald Steinberg, the

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head of conflict management and negotiations faculty at Bar Iban

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university. How worried is Israel about this looming isolation Susan

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Rice referred to? Well, it is worrying. Israel has been

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increasingly isolated as Egypt has become unstable. We sought violent

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riots last week and there were demonstrations in Turkey and Jordan.

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There is a sense there is a sense Israel is much more isolated than

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it was and that adds to instability. The Palestinians are taking

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advantage, exploiting that situation. None of the questions we

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heard a few moments ago we heard from the Palestinian Authority had

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been directed at reassuring Israel. It is saying that we understand for

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the last 63 years to have been subject to isolation and of

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terrorism. We are looking for a compromise. The move up to the UN

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is to increase that isolation. It's a cynical political ploy and will

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not help the peace process. We have focused on that Susan Rice's words.

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The Barack Obama administration has tried again and again to get

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Benjamin Netanyahu to renew a commitment to stop settlement

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construction on occupied land. He refused to do so. Is he prepared to

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make that sort of a move? That isolation of but one issue after so

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many complex issues in the conflict was a big mistake by the Obama

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administration. We need to have a compromise on the Palestinian side.

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It can't be focused on Israelis who are concerned, instead of getting a

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stable to state solution, we will have a very violent terrorist

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regime and a failed at state. These factors are very important.

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give me for interrupting. In that answer you imply a Israel has put

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concessions on the table. Benjamin Netanyahu is going to go to New

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York and make a speech at the UN are. What sort of concessions will

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he be prepared to put on the table? Up we have a history of a very

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generous Israeli concessions. To heighten 3% differences in borders.

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If there was a Palestinian partner who was serious, if they were

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talking about ending their right of return claim a Offiah's the people

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There is the incitement. That is the main issue here. There is

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absolutely no question... haven't actually outlined any

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significant specific compromised proposal or concession but Benjamin

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Netanyahu is prepared to take to New York. Is there one? You get

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proportion to watch our put on the table into what it is receiving. It

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has received nothing from Palestine. Complete stonewalling from the

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beginning. Only focusing on Israel to stop settlement construction

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when the areas involved are under the speed and the boundaries are

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not clear. The Palestinians want to impose an agreement which has not

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going to be stable and to create another failed state in the region.

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We have to ended their but thank you for joining us on GMT. For the

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past five months, hundreds of thousands of Chilean students have

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joined a movement for free, equal and good quality education in their

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country. Back in May, the demonstrations started peacefully,

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with the students trying to get their message across in unusual

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ways. A kissing protest and then protesting in fancy dress. But in

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the past few weeks the protests have become violent, with frequent

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clashes with police. It's become a huge political problem for the

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government as President Sebastian Piera's poll ratings have plunged.

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Well for more on the movement we're joined via webcam from the Chilean

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capital Santiago by Juanita Chacon Snow, the Acting Editor of the

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Santiago Times. I suppose I want an update. Are these protests

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continuing and is there still violence in San Diego? We received

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word this morning from the student movement that they have rejected

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the recent government proposal to get working groups going to discuss

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three of the major concerns raised by the student groups -- Santiago.

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They have announced another general strike for next Thursday. A big

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March. Basically because the Government did not agreed to two of

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the four conditions that they placed before them to agree to

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participate in these working groups would have been proposed by the

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Government. What they were requesting was a freeze to two

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bills which will put the Congress on the 17th for Education Reform

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which was drafted without student participation. It just strikes me

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that the students are using some of the tactics they drew inspiration

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from the Arab Spring. In the end, it's a different situation. Chile

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has been successful in recent years. I wonder why street protests have

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become such a popular form of political action? Well, it's at new

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phenomenon here. The student body began following a series of other

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protests here in Chile when people were expressing discontent and the

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opposition to a series of projects, environmental ones up specifically,

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in the south, and also the rise in gas prices in the south. There have

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been a series of protests and people just want to express their

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frustration with the situation here in Chile right now. There are many

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other stories you may have heard of in terms of the increased profits

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of the private health system, there are serious legacies situations

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here in the country which have made people feel less afraid to express

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their opinions. We have to end there. Thank you for joining us on

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GMT. It's exactly 30 years since the

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first broadcast of the animated childrens TV show Postman Pat. Some

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of you like me may still have the theme tune stuck in your heads. The

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show, starring the doughty rural postman in his delivery van became

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an unlikely hit across the world from China to Iran to the

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Philippines. On this 30th anniversary the creator of Postman

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Pat has been recalling what # Everybody knows his bright red

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banner. # All his friends will smile as he

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I and the creator of Postman Pat and a few of the characters in the

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box and a television as well. MUSIC PLAYS and Pat and his black

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I said to them, what about having a post man? I looked at my farming

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stories and we hadn't used to those. Who else lives in the countryside?

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The postman troubles around and needs a lot of people. It would not

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be static -- the postman travels around and meets a lot of people.

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They said, it sounds quite likely. I don't think anybody has done it.

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OK, you go back to Kendal and write an outline for 13 episodes.

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ANNOUNCER: Postman Pat was on his way. A bit further back in his life

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I was a mobile librarian in Northumberland and I travelled

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around a very much in the way Postman Pat travels around in a

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large mobile library, travelling around the farms, around the

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countryside. A lot of that fed into it. Come on, Jess, we have got work

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to do. Jess provided some body poor postman Pat to speak to without

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seeming peculiar. The question in the press about it, I think it was

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said the postman are not allowed to carry pepsin their vans. -- pets in

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