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They were the first to support military action against Gaddafi's

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regime, now they're the first international leaders to visit the

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new Libya. Hetdz of France and Britain are in Tripoli to talk to

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the country's National Transitional Council. They've praised the

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rebel's ousting of Colonel Gaddafi's regime. I pay tribute to

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those people throughout Libya today. It's your revolution, it's their

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bravery that's enabled this to Welcome to GMT.

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Also in the programme: A man is arrested in London after the Swiss

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banking giant UBS reveals a $2 billion loss to rogue trading.

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Our ever changing world - the new Times atlas shows ou politics,

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climate change and human impact has affected the planet.

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It's midday here in London, 7an London and 1.30pm in the Libyan

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capital, of course it's 12.30 here in London. Britain's Prime Minister,

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David Cameron, and the French President, Nicolas Sarkozy, are

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preparing for talks with the country's new authorities. The two

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men, whose forces spearheaded the NATO campaign, that helped drive

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out Colonel Gaddafi, are the first foreign leaders to go to Libya

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since the National Transitional Council took over. Here is our

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World Affairs Correspondent. A dramatic moment indeed. The two

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chief architects of the international intervention set foot

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on Libyan soil to be greeted by the country's new custodians, political

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and diplomatic theatre yes, but powerful diplomatic symbolism too

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of international support for a new Libyan.

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REPORTER: How does it feel to be in Tripoli? I'm delighted to be here

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and to show support for the NTC here in Libya. There's still a long

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way to go, but to show international support for the NTC,

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for Mr Djibril and Mr Jalil, it's great, I'm delighted to be here.

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REPORTER: What does it feel like to be here? Democracy, peace and

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reconciliation. Then on to a Tripoli hospital. Mr Cameron and Mr

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Sarkozy will be happy to accept the plaudits. As they met victims of

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the months of Libyan crisis and conflict, a reminder of the cost of

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this huge political upheaval. a great honour to have met you. Are

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you getting everything you need here...

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Libyans may be grateful for the outside help they received, but

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their leaders are also keen to underline that they are their own

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masters too. There's also much still to be done.

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The country's top leaders acknowledge they will need

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continuing help, something they've already been discussing with their

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very important visitors. TRANSLATION: We look forward to

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establishing a state of peace, security and political transition.

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I salute everybody and I salute my guests. The UN Security Council

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which cleared the way for the original international intervention

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is having to look to the future and how the outside world will support

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the Libyan leadership from now on. For the new UN Libya mission, the

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UK is circulating a draft Security Council resolution, among other

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things it would lift sanctions on the national oil corps, allow the

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resumption of commercial flights and provide political and technical

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assistance to the new authorities. A vote on all this is expected soon.

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For all the jubilation and gratitude on show in trifplt right

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now, the new Libya remains a fragile thing with many challenges

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ahead -- Tripoli. Joining me from Tripoli is our

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correspondent Peter biles. We have been listening to this press

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conference and I suppose what Nicolas Sarkozy and Prime Minister

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David Cameron have made clear is that although they were among the

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first to help with the transition, they are not going anywhere, their

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support is still strong for the new Libya?

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I think what struck me about the news conference, the comments by Mr

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Sarkozy and Mr Cameron was the impression that they'd been quite

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moved by what they've seen and heard in this very brief visit this

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morning. They're only on the ground for a matter o of a few hours but

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have obviously expressed unequivocal support for Libya's

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rulers, the NTC. While acknowledging at the same time that

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there are difficulties ahead, that the fighting goes on in a number of

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areas where Gaddafi loyalists are putting up stiff defence and, of

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course, the fact that Colonel Gaddafi himself is still on the run.

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There's no way back for him to Libya, to Tripoli, but he's not yet

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captured. Some of David Cameron's strongest remarks referred to

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Colonel Gaddafi, saying "it's over, give up" he said "the mercenaries

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should go home, it's time for Gaddafi to give himself up and face

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international justice". Both countries making clear that they

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are willing to support in many ways in the releasing of assets in

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medical aid as well? Yes. The consistent theme is that

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Libyans will take charge of this process, that this is not something

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that's going to be thrust upon them by the international community. The

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destiny of Libya lies in Libyan hands, that's the very firm message

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from all in the international community at the moment. But

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Britain and America and France and others stand ready to provide what

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assistance is needed, what the Libyans think they might need help

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with and David Cameron, the British Prime Minister, has today announced

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a number of practical steps, including 50 places in UK

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specialist hospitals for those critically injured during the war,

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�600,000 for help with demining operations, �60,000 for a

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communications system for the police. Crucially perhaps, the

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unfreezing of assets worth �500 million and that will be done as

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soon as possible. Of course, Peter, we have heard the

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phrase "Arab Spring dtiondtion and David Cameron mentioned the phrase

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"Arab Summer" as if the Libyans should be an example for other

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countries and other people who wish to take back, in David Cameron's

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words, their country? Well, clearly people around the

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region will be watching very closely what happens, as they have

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been over the last six to seven months. The other thing that David

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Cameron and Nicolas Sarkozy made clear is that this is not over yet.

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It's far from over and the most difficult time could still lie

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ahead, in spite of what we have seen in the fall of Tripoli just

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over three weeks ago. Peter Biles, thank you very much.

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The other stories making headlines now around the world today:

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Pakistan's Prime Minister is calling for unity within his

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country to overcome challenges including the ongoing floods. More

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than 200 people have died and more than a million homes have been

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destroyed by severe flooding in the south. Aid workers say this year's

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floods in some areas are more serious than those that devastated

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the country last year. Chilean students have once again

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clashed with police during ongoing protests to demand a boost in

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educational spending. Water trucks dispersed demonstrators armed with

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rocks and Molotov cocktails. Police have made several arrests in the

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capital, Santiago. Palestinians are due to submit a bid for full

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membership at the UN Security Council on the 23rd September. The

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announcement ends speculation over whether Palestinians would risk a

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threatened US veto of their statehood bid.

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The International Space Station crew is preparing for its staff to

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be reduced by half. Two Russians, along with an American, are leaving

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and are stead yuled to land in Kazakhstan on Thursday night --

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scheduled. The three remaining astronauts depart the post in mid-

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November. The Swiss banking giant UBS says

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it's discovered unauthorised trading in its investment bank

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leading to a possible loss of around $2 billion. Police in London

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have arrested a man in connection with the loss, UBS said it may

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report an overall loss for the third quarter because of this

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unauthorised trade. We are joined by the Assistant editor at Reuters

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Breaking Views. Thank you very much for joining me. I suppose what many

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people are going to be asking today is, how on earth has this happened,

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we have heard of Jerome Kerrville and Nick Leeson, how has this

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happened, people will be saying? The fact of the matter is that in

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these investment banks with the large trading operations they have,

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it's unfortunately, despite the controls and risk management, it's

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possible for people to take matters into their own hands, to cover

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things up and to run up unauthorised positions which lead

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to losses. I think what is shocking here really though is that

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especially after the Kerviel scandal, the regulators were

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pressuring for tighter regulations. It's not the case that people can

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run up losses, it's the fact that they don't get discovered until

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they run up the losses. It seems to be the case that however hard they

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try, banks are unable to control that. Have we had any explanation

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from UBS over how something so huge managed to be missed? No, I think

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the details are leaking out as we speak. Basically, we've - UBS s

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said they discovered this recently, and so we have to believe that

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that's the case. But then again, that begs the question, how is it

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possible that something of this scale does not come to the

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attention, is not caught by the risk management systems sooner, and

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that's the real question they'll have to answer. UBS has a very

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significant wealthy private client base. This is not going to do much

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for UBS's reputation among these investors, is it? No, it's a

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terrible setback for UBS. They had a near death experience in the

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crisis in 2007 - 08 when it suffered heavy losses in the

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investment banking and its private banking clients, a lot of them ran

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for cover, Swiss banks moved elsewhere. UBS has spent the last

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three years persuading private banking clients that the risks had

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been reduced and therefore it's safe to have UBS as a private bank

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again. This will be a real setback for UBS in that effort and I think

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it will lead to renewed calls for UBS to separate or shut down invest

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vestment bank entirely -- investment bank entirely.

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Thank you very much. Police in Haiti have used tear gas

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to disperse hundreds of protestors demanding the withdrawal of UN

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peacekeeping troops from the country. The protests were

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triggered by allegations that UN troops from Uruguay raped a Haitian

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man. Emerging from the rubble of last

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year's earthquake, a crowd vents its anger against the UN's forces.

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The latest allegations, about an alleged rape, have inflamed an

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already sensitive situation. In July, a young man is alleged to

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have been raped by Uruguayan members of the international

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peacekeeping force. TRANSLATION: You and the troops are

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abusing our children and they're committing all sorbts of crimes.

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Since the rape case, we are launching a protest until the UN

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mission leaves. Uruguay has apologised to Haiti and

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four troops have been arrested over the allegations. But that's little

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comfort to the people already furious about an outbreak of

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cholera blamed on another group of UN troops.

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As the protest grew, police Fireed tear gas to disperse the protestors,

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driving them back into a camp which still houses many thousands made

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homeless by the earthquake. As Haiti struggles to get back on its

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feet, there's a growing debate over the future role of the United

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Nations. The country's President has said

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the peacekeepers are still needed but should be gradually replaced by

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haition Security Forces. The UN says it's enforce ago zero

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tolerance policy for misconduct but that's unlikely to satify all these

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protestors. Still to come on GMT: A new atlas

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highlights our ever changing world. Also - monks on wheels, a new

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documentary filmed by three skateboarders show a different

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perspective of Burma. Time now to get all the business

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news with Jamie. So much going on, but perhaps some growth in Europe?

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Well, no, that's the big problem of course. Oh! I was hoping... We've

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had word from the European Commission, a breakdown of what

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their growth forecasts are for the rest of the year for Europe and

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it's not good. Growth will have come to a virtual stand still by

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the end of the year and they are not expecting anything to get going

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again until spring, strength analysts think it will be later.

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The monetary affairs commissioner said this about it. Economic growth

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in the European Union is expected to be coming to a virtual

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standstill towards the end of the year. Compared to our spring

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forecast, prospects are gloomier and risks to their growth outlook

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are tilted to the downside. Downbeat to say the least. What

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does this all mean for countries struggling with austerity plans?

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That's where it starts to hurt. Countries like Greece which are

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going through austerity measures and the other countries, Italy

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passed theirs yesterday, so those sorts of things will make growth

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more difficult and then, as growth becomes slower, then of course in

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proportion to their GDP, the deficit gets bigger. This is

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explained by a member of Deutsche Bank. The problem we have right now

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in Europe is that we have a kind of vicious circle. The markets and the

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European peers are requesting from this peripherals that they stick to

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the budgetary targets but since growth is weaker, they need to give

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us more additional fis dal austerity measures which in turn

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makes their growth outlook even bleaker -- fiscal.

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Over the ocean now, the American markets open later? One weird thing

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that's been happening over the last three days is despite the negative

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news in Europe about the debt crisis, markets have been fairly

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buoyant. There's a feeling at the moment that perhaps they've written

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the idea of a Greek default into the prices possibly. Some are

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saying they are being unrealistic. The big story at the moment,

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interesting story, though it won't get a market reaction is that

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Facebook has featured in the Financial Times, it won't be

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offering a public offering until next year. They want to make more

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developments but other companies have stopped IPOs because thng the

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market is in a mess. A debate about I will show you what the European

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markets are are doing. The FTSE is up 10 points. We are expecting the

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American market to open about 0.5% higher. Generally positive.

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This is GMT from BBC World News. The headlines:

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Leader of France and Britain join Libya's National Transitional

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Council for a news conference in Tripoli. A clear message to Gaddafi

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loyalists, it is over, go home. Let's stay with that story and hear

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what David Cameron had to say when he addressed the Libyan and

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international press in Tripoli. This was your revolution, not our

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revolution. It was those brave people in Misrata, in Benghazi, in

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Brega, in Tripoli in the the mountains who were incredibly brave

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in removing the dreadful dictatorship of Gaddafi and I pay

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tribute to those people throughout Libya today. It is your revolution.

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It is their bravery that has enabled this to happen, but let us

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be clear, this is not finished. This is not done. This is not over.

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There are still parts of Libya that are under Gaddafi's control,

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Gaddafi is still at large and we must make sure this work is

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completed. The French President, Nicolas

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Sarkozy spoke of the need of unity among the people of Libya.

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TRANSLATION: France is committed to Libya's unity, to the

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reconciliation of Libya. France would like to tell its friends in

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Libya, look forward to the future together. There should be no

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sorting of accounts and you should respect Human Rights and law. And

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that forgiveness should be shown by everybody, every single Libyan

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person should know that those who committed crimes or those who have

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robbed the Libyan people will be The changes to our world's cart to

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go graphy has been highlight in the Times Times. The the Times Atlas.

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We are joined by Sheena Barclay. I want you to explain the changes.

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Greenland, take us through what has been going on? There is 25,000

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changes which has been made between the at lasses and some significant

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ones are to do with environmental change and to the change in the

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landscape. If you look at Greenland, what we are seeing is a significant

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reduction in the ice cap itself. The reduction over the last 12

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years is about 15% which is 300,000 square kilometres which is the size

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of France or the size of the UK and Ireland combined. That's the sort

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of area and extent that we're talking about. If you look down the

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East Coast of Greenland that's where the most changes are. So the

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brown and green areas is the land cover that's now there compared to

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what was there before and there is new islands appearing from

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underneath the ice cap. This is aptly named as Warming

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Island. We have a picture. Talking about climate change as well, we

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have seen worrying, there it is, there is Warming Island, we have

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seen the break-up of the Wilkins Ice Shelf? That's right. We have

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seen accelerated regional warming. The air temperatures over the

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Arctic are ten times the global average in terms of the increase

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and for the likes of Western Europe, there is a significant potential

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impact. So whilst the Earth is warming, what we are seeing in

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Times Atlas that could result in a cooling over the winter months

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which could increase our snow cover by 50% to 100%. Whilst we think

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about global warming making the temperatures warmer, the impact on

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certain regions could be the opposite.

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You mentioned climate change. There has been massive political change

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as well? We highlight in the atlas as the new country. The first

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edition of this particular Times Atlas came out in 1967. There is 29

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countries in the last 29. There is south Sudan and Kosovo and for the

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first time we have introduced the category of international disputed

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territory which actually highlights the case for some of the other

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potential countries of the future. It is fascinating and to go through

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one of these is charming as well. Thank you for explaining the

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Something different! Skateboarding monks aren't the usual images you

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associate with Burma, but a recently released documentary aims

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to show a new side to the country. Despite media access being tightly

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controlled by the ruling military Junta, three skateboarding friends

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from Britain managed to gain access to do the filming. It's called

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Altered Focus and explores Burma behind the headlines. Filmmaker

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James Hammond spoke to the BBC to give this first person account of

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his time in a country rarely seen by the outside world. As three

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film-makers interested in the political situation within Burma,

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we wanted to see what the one was like on a day-to-day basis, a Burma

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behind the headlines. As skateboarders we had a means to

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explore the country. I think one of the advantages we had going into

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Burma was that we all look quite young, you know, we are skateboard

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clothing, a journalist doesn't walk into a country with a skateboard,

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no one would think they are coming here to do something that isn't

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allowed to be done. That was one of our biggest advantages and going

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through passport security, you know, we went through with a camera bag

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and tapes. That was the hairyest moment. We thought this is the

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moment when we get turned away or arrested, but no one batted an eye

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lid. Often what is great about Burma is

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the stunning scenery, the rich culture and the kindness of its

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people is overshadowed by what is bad. The potential here is left

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unex-- unexplored. The film is a different angle from

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the normal sort of angle on Burma and how it is reported. It is

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positive. It is looking at how people get on with their lives and

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they are oppressed and that's one of the reasons we went out there.

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We didn't go out there as a journalist to report what is

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happening. We went out there to show how people are living day-to-

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day. They were all intrigued by our

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skateboards and we tried our best to explain how to stay on the

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board! Such simple experiences make you

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realise how fortunate we are in the West.

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One thing we found really interesting was that a lot of the

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skateboarders that we met watched the same videos that we watched.

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Knew a a lot of the same companies and the same professional

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skateboarders. Under this regime that is is super oppressive and

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doesn't let Western media in. It is interesting to know they know the

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I think one of the great things that the film highlights is that we

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as Westerners take a lot of things for granted. There is a lot of

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youth out there who aren't politicised. It was a fantastic

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The Guinness World Records has announced its pick of global

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records for 2012 and what an interesting bunch they are. Here's

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the world's most elastic woman, Skye Broberg from New Zealand,

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squeezing herself through a tennis racket and folding herself into a

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box the size of a small suitcase. That's telecoms computer expert

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Rolf Buchhol, or the world's most pierced man, shows off just some of

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his 453 body piercings. If you let your nails grow for 18 years, this

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is what they'd look like. These belong to Chris Walton from Las

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Vegas. She's the new Guinness World Record holder for the world's

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longest finger nails. And to end on a high note, take a look at the

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longest line of skipping dogs on one rope. They're in Eastern Japan.

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The star of Happy Days has been awarded an honorary OBE, the Fonz

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was given the award for his more recent work in Britain, raising

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awareness of dyslexia in children. He said he was honoured and proud.

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You can get more on the latest news from Libya. Make sure to head to

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