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Front line Kabul - a major attack by the Taliban is under way in the

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Afghan capital. Missile, suicide bombers and gunfire as the US

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Welcome to the programme. Also in the programme: Warnings of

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a bloody cycle of reprisals in Libya. Amnesty International says

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opposition forces may be guilty of war crimes. There is no war crimes.

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They are not a military. They are ordinary people. They might be some

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mistakes. A threatened, abused and killed because of their sexuality.

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A new international organisation joined the fight for gay rights.

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It is 12:30pm in London, 7:30am in Washington and mid- afternoon in

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Kabul, were at least four people have been killed in an ongoing co-

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ordinated attack by Taliban fighters. They have been several

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explosions and heavy gunfire in what is supposed to be a high

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security part of the city. Rockets have been fired towards both the US

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embassy and the NATO headquarters. Our Correspondent in Kabul, who had

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to take cover earlier, a few moments ago gave me the latest.

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George, one of those rockets you mentioned appeared to be targeted

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at the US embassy which is not very far from where we are. It landed

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about 100 metres away. When it landed it seemed to hit a school

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bus with a great deal of shrapnel. We have heard LE6 explosions,

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police that three of them rocket propelled grenades. At least three

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suicide attackers are involved in this a salt to target the US

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embassy and the International and mission. We are about two hours

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into this attack. I have just heard another couple of gunshot very near

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where we are at the moment. Quentin, I am assuming responsibility for

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dealing with this lies with the Afghan forces? And the attack

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itself must call into question itself their ability to secure

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Kabul? It might not seem like it, but the

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number of Kabul attacks are down. But other insurgent groups have

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shown they can strike at even the most secure areas in this city. We

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believe that Gamp security forces are on the streets in force. I

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could see the US embassy Marines on top of the Embassy securing and

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assessing the area. In between explosions and gunshots it is

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eerily quiet. Most Afghan people and even many of the guards in this

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area are off the streets and have taken cover. I could not quite

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understand it, are you saying the US Marines are involved and the

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firing back? We did not see them firing back. You would expect, when

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an attack takes place, the US Marines and the force protection

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soldiers at the ISAF headquarters would be on high alert. They would

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take positions and assess the situation and they are prepared for

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any attack on those buildings. Let's take a look at some of the

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other stories. Libyan rebels fighting to overthrow Colonel

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Gaddafi have been accused of unlawful killings and torture.

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Amnesty International made the accusations in a report based on

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three months of research in Libya. It is urging the new Government to

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establish the rule of law. Suspected Gaddafi loyalists in the

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hands of International Security Assistance Force. No suggestion of

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malpractice here, Boswell's Amnesty International accuses the Colonel

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Gaddafi regime of widespread crimes under international law, it says it

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has evidence of serious abuses by opposition supporters including

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torture and reprisal killings. Amnesty is calling on the new

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leadership to show more accountability. In February there

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was a rumour about Colonel Gaddafi using black people as mercenaries.

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It is wrong, the NCC has not done a lot to curb that room and now there

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is a lot of retaliation against sub-Saharan Africans. They are at

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real risk of being taken from the work, their home, from the street,

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being tortured and killed. Amnesty International suggests some

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opposition supporters could be responsible for war crimes,

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although on a smaller scale. An allegation rejected by the National

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Transitional Council. They are not a military, they are ordinary

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people. They might be some mistakes, but we cannot clarify them as war-

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crimes. On the ground in Libya, forces of the National Transitional

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Council check vehicles leaving that broke Gaddafi stronghold of Bani

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Walid, as it continues to hold out despite intensive fighting around

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the time -- town and NATO airstrikes. It is full of anxious

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civilians, but the NTC are on the lookout for senior members of the

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Gaddafi regime, trying to make their escape, too. And in Tripoli,

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a new stage for the head of the Endsleigh seat, Mustafa Abdul Jalil

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to address the people. From the same as were Colonel Gaddafi used

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to rally his supporters, he described his vision for the new

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Libya. TRANSLATION: We seek a state of

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institutions, law and prosperity. We won't tolerate any extremist

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ideology on the right or the left. We are Muslim people for a moderate

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Islam and we will stay on this road. You are on our side, you are our

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weapons against anybody who tries to sabotage a revolution.

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Heady times in Tripoli, managing the expectations and the interests

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of the whole population of this nation, one of the major challenges

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ahead. Those allegations from Amnesty

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International are aimed at both sides in the Libyan conflict. Both

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sides are accused of racism and staring of xenophobia which led to

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attacks on sub-Saharan Africans. The majority of violations were

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committed by could at the forces of fighters loyal to the National

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Transitional Council are accused of lynchings and revenge killings. The

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NTC have denied the allegations but Amnesty International say they

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shouldn't allow this behaviour. Claudio Cordone joins us from

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Tripoli. Let ME pick up what the Justice Minister told us in that

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report. He said, the opposition forces were not a military and

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therefore they could not be guilty of what you have suggested, war

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crimes? Libya is still in an ongoing

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conflict, although an internal one. There are some members who commit

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crimes such as torturing prisoners, would be responsible for war crimes.

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The point is not so much the legal definition, the fact is everybody

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should condemn and prosecute anybody who is responsible for the

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kind of abuses such as killing prisoners, torturing them and so on.

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We know the National Transitional Council has said it repeatedly,

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they won't tolerate these crimes. We would like to see more direct

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appeals for these types of acts them not to be carried out. Also in

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particular for the Protection of those who are currently in

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detention centres around the country. We visited many in Tripoli

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and its surroundings. We are very concerned about the treatment of

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detainees in the centre's right now. You must be concerned, it is one

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thing for the chairman of the National Transitional Council to be

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making speeches in Martyr's Square. Quite another thing for him to

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guarantee to people like you that these revenge killings, perhaps

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even war crimes, that they won't continue? We are aware of the

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difficulties that -- difficulties they are facing. It is being ruled

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effectively by a variety of armed groups who may not respond to

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instructions from the National Transitional Council. The council

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is establishing itself as the governments of the new Olivia. They

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should make more direct appeals to deal with some specific crimes. --

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Libya. Not just for not taking reprisals, but the situation of

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black Libyans who are being assumed automatically of being loyal to

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Colonel Gaddafi, who are being detained and roughed up and so on.

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At the same time they should remove from active duty, any fighters they

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suspect of having committed these crimes. It is something we know

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they are aware of, and they have said things that we would like to

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see some proper action on the ground. The situation remains dire.

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You mention xenophobic attacks on black Africans, as opposed to Arabs.

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Have you seen any signs that these people are going to be given the

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kind of protection you are calling for? The television reports we see,

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see them in difficult and dire circumstances. We have also

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witnessed for example, a black Libyan being taken out of hospital

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by gunmen who told him a ring no way you off from and we will take

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you away from Tripoli because they treat you too well. There are many

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examples of that nature affecting Africans from sub-Saharan Africa,

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who have no one to turn to. We have seen those actions and that that is

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why we think a direct appeal, as others have been made by the

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National Transitional Council to all of their fighters to respect

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them in particular, would be important as one way to try to

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influence the variety of armed groups who at the moment are in

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control of much of Libya. Cloudier called Don't Fence the time.

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At least five children and a bus driver had been killed during an

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ambush on a school bus in north- western Pakistan. The children were

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returning to their local village from the shower when the gunmen

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attacked. Almost 20 others were also injured. Police are

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investigating why the bus was targeted.

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Or authorities have stepped up the search for British woman in Kenya

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who was abducted after her husband was killed in an attack on Monday.

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They were staying at a luxury safari village. It is feared the

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woman has been taken to Somalia. The Iranian President, Mahmoud

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Ahmadinejad has told the US network, NBC that two hike is detained in

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Iran will be released. They were seized in 2009 year the border. A

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third hiker was released last year on humanitarian grounds.

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Australia's Prime Minister, Julia Gillard has presented her

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controversial tax bill to Parliament. It would force 500 of

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the country's biggest polluters to pay for every tonne of carbon

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dioxide they emit, in a bid to tackle climate change.

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Becoming a father could cause a sharp fall in the hormone

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testosterone, according to US researchers. A five-year study of

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600 men in the Philippines have found the decline was strongest

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among men who were most involved in raising their children.

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Still to come on the programme: How a new type of lie-detector in test

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could boost security at airports. First, let's get the business news

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with Aaron. If you have to talk me through this. Italy is in trouble,

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but they went marching off to China to try and get some help and what

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happened? They did that last week. Italian officials or work in

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Beijing with their caps in hand. Joining Spain, Portugal, and

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companies like Morgan Stanley. When you are strapped for cash, who were

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you turn to? The only one with money is China. It is sitting on

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reserves of three trillion dollars. We have not had any confirmation

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from Beijing or whether they will buy the Italian debt. But Beijing

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has been supportive towards the eurozone. But given the state of

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some of these economies, why would they want to buy these debts? This

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is a correspondence in Beijing. is trade and it is something

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Chinese officials have spoken about in the last few years. They are

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interested in seeing happen, that the eurozone countries continued

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boosting their economies. Their economies don't falter. If they do,

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people could buy fewer Chinese-made goods and that could hit the

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economy in China. That has not had in any reassurance. Italy went to

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the markets today to raise $9 billion. China has not made up its

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mind about Italy, but it made up its mind about Volvo? Absolutely.

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Just over a year ago, Volvo was under the Ford umbrella and it was

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struggling. It was losing money and Ford wanted rid of it. They sold it

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to a company in China for $1.8 billion and the Magic started to

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happen. Volvo sales are up this year. In China they are up nearly

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40%. It has become the newest luxury brand in the US in terms of

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sales. Volvo is the fastest growing premium brand in the first eight

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months of this year. We have managed significant turnaround last

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year. Volvo is profitable and will remain profitable. We are

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generating positive cash flow and that is despite the investments we

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are taking into new technology and to our industrial footprint. He was

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very optimistic but they are keeping their eye on the markets

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and this talk of recession in the US and Europe.

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US and Europe. Let's take a quick look at the

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We want to hear what do you think. Please get in touch. The best way

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to do that is go to our website. There'll also has of wonderful

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things including some highlights from the programme. -- there are

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all sorts of wonderful things. The headlines: Taliban militants

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have launched co-ordinated attacks in the embassy district of the

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Afghan capital Kabul. Amnesty International says Libyan

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opposition forces may be guilty of war crimes and new authorities in

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Tripoli deny this. A dispute over preparations for

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Nazi atrocities has said Germany and Italy against each other in the

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UN's highest court. Some Italian courts have already received claims

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from victims and their families but Germany has rejected suggestions it

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should pay up. German soldiers captured by allied

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forces and paraded for the cameras as prisoners of war. More than 60

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years on and Germany has forced it to lead to appear here at the

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International Court of Justice. -- forced Italy. They are trying to

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stop victims of the Nazi regime from being allowed to claim

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compensation through the Italian court system. In legal terms of

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this is all about several community. We request a ruling on the

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principle of state immunity, a pillar of present basic standard

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international law. Central to the principle is that of jurisdictional

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immunity, which of course debars private parties from bringing seats

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before the Court of a foreign state against another state for its Act's.

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The Germans dared think it is right they should be dragged into another

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country's courts. -- don't think. It is not just the Italians seeking

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reparations for events that happened during the Second World

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War. This is the aftermath of a massacre. More than 200 Greek

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villagers were killed in the attack carried out by Hitler's army in the

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summer before the end of the war. Lawyers representing Greece will

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explain why they believe these victims should be entitled to claim

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for reparations. It is not a matter of money. For

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those people it is a matter of justice.

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If Germany lose, this could be a landmark case opening up

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opportunities for victims in other nations to seek compensation for

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crimes committed by the Nat seas. - - Nazis.

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A new organisation to support gay men and women around the world has

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been lodged today. Kaleidoscope will promote diversity and drugs --

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was back to. It will name and shame countries where persecution of

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homosexuals is widespread. We are joined by a Nigerian gay activist

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and a founding member, and the director, land price. Bisi Alim, if

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I could start with you. Nigeria is a free-for-all, all sorts of things

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of possible, the you have had a particularly nasty experience --

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but you have had. I have. It is interesting you say

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it is a country where everything is possible, more like the American

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dream, I don't know what we will have the Nigerian dream. But there

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is so much tension around religion, tripe, and at the court is the

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tension around sexuality and sex education. People like me and so

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many others, it is interesting for you to know it is just last year

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that the law was passed in Nigeria that allowed women to apply for

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international passports without the permission of their husband. You

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can see the situation. What happened to you personally? You

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come out publicly on television. 2004, and before the show we knew

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something would happen, we knew there would be a backlash but it

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was more than what we were expecting and the bottom line was I

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was almost killed. Just like Uganda activist. I was lucky enough to be

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able to escape, find my way back to the UK where I have been given

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another opportunity to live my life. Lance, that is a graphic example of

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what the problem is. Perhaps we are not so convinced about why did

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needs a new organisation, there are lots that have been fighting for

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gay rights at work in this area. You are right and they have done

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some fantastic work. Stonewall, probably the best-known but some

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big international gay rights organisations as well. But nobody

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has tried to do what we think Kaleidoscope can do which is on two

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levels, connecting with people who are in the same situation he was in,

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not quite sure how to respond to events in his own country, and if

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we can build up the capacity and their ability to engage with their

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media, governments and learn from one another about what works and

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what doesn't work in terms of trying to level the playing field,

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because certainly media coverage, the people who want to preach hate

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have an easy ride. Most of the coverage of human sexuality, gay

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issues, is very hostile. If we can redress that balance a little bit...

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Here you are, a white man sitting in London, director of an

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organisation, most of the problem we are talking about is in the

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southern states, Africa, Asia. There is a problem there, isn't it

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going to sound like white liberals preaching to agents? That is why

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all first conversations we had to work with people like Bisi Alim. We

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are based in London, we make no apologies for that. The language we

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use, the whole way the operate, it will be driven by them, it is about

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building up support. You mentioned earlier, you talked

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about religion and sex education and so on. You didn't use the word

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culture. But actually what you're up against his culture, is it not?

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Even in countries like South Africa which earned a well as the most

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liberal of constitutions, -- which I know well. You said you have been

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to Nigeria, you can see that when people talk about culture they talk

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about religion. There is this fluidity between culture, what is

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culture, and porters religion? Every time we talk about a culture

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in Africa we talk about a Christian God or a Muslim God which is not

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our culture. We have forgotten about our tradition. They are

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traditional day 80s. Would they have been any more tolerant? There

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is history of homosexuality before white man. Even white people came

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to Africa recorded history of where men were dressed like women, men

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were the third minute, had what you would call husbands, and these

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people were living happily within the society, within the framework

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of the society. They were not far removed or living in the bush. The

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law that criminalised, sexuality is British law.

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I noticed in your literature you say you're prepared to name and

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shame countries that don't give equal rights. Why don't you start

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now. Name a few countries. It doesn't take Kaleidoscope to

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name and shame countries. We know about Nigeria. Two or three

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examples, Uganda, only... We know that already. 38 of the 50 members

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of the Commonwealth criminalise and sexuality. Criminalise, have laws

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criminalising homosexuality in some form or another. Most of those laws

:24:45.:24:55.
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were left behind by the British as a result of the colonies. You

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mention South Africa where the constitution was changed. India it

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has been decriminalised, so it is possible to make a change. It is

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not about as coming from outside telling them what to do, the

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British have made two mistakes already -- too many mistakes. Why

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was India able to make progress? Why is it in a wonder they can have

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a sensible discussion about these issues than in Uganda? -- Rwandan.

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As efforts continue to rebuild Japan's north-east region

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devastated by the earthquake and tsunami six months ago defected

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communities have been receiving help and support from around the

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world in various forms. The young Greek pianist Panos Karan, the

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founder of the charity, Keys Of Change, gave his support to the

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displaced playing 11 recitals in eight days for those living in

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emergency shelters in Fukushima. He said the trip changed him as an

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artist and a person with people teaching him a sense of dignity and

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compassion that touched him beyond words.

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