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Front line Kabul - a major attack by the Taliban is under way in the

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Afghan capital. Missile, suicide bombers and gunfire as the US

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Welcome to the programme. Also in the programme: Warnings of

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a bloody cycle of reprisals in Libya. Amnesty International says

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opposition forces may be guilty of war crimes. There is no war crimes.

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They are not a military. They are ordinary people. They might be some

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mistakes. A threatened, abused and killed because of their sexuality.

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A new international organisation joined the fight for gay rights.

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It is 12:30pm in London, 7:30am in Washington and mid- afternoon in

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Kabul, were at least four people have been killed in an ongoing co-

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ordinated attack by Taliban fighters. They have been several

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explosions and heavy gunfire in what is supposed to be a high

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security part of the city. Rockets have been fired towards both the US

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embassy and the NATO headquarters. Our Correspondent in Kabul, who had

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to take cover earlier, a few moments ago gave me the latest.

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George, one of those rockets you mentioned appeared to be targeted

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at the US embassy which is not very far from where we are. It landed

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about 100 metres away. When it landed it seemed to hit a school

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bus with a great deal of shrapnel. We have heard LE6 explosions,

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police that three of them rocket propelled grenades. At least three

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suicide attackers are involved in this a salt to target the US

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embassy and the International and mission. We are about two hours

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into this attack. I have just heard another couple of gunshot very near

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where we are at the moment. Quentin, I am assuming responsibility for

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dealing with this lies with the Afghan forces? And the attack

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itself must call into question itself their ability to secure

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Kabul? It might not seem like it, but the

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number of Kabul attacks are down. But other insurgent groups have

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shown they can strike at even the most secure areas in this city. We

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believe that Gamp security forces are on the streets in force. I

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could see the US embassy Marines on top of the Embassy securing and

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assessing the area. In between explosions and gunshots it is

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eerily quiet. Most Afghan people and even many of the guards in this

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area are off the streets and have taken cover. I could not quite

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understand it, are you saying the US Marines are involved and the

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firing back? We did not see them firing back. You would expect, when

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an attack takes place, the US Marines and the force protection

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soldiers at the ISAF headquarters would be on high alert. They would

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take positions and assess the situation and they are prepared for

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any attack on those buildings. Let's take a look at some of the

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other stories. Libyan rebels fighting to overthrow Colonel

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Gaddafi have been accused of unlawful killings and torture.

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Amnesty International made the accusations in a report based on

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three months of research in Libya. It is urging the new Government to

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establish the rule of law. Suspected Gaddafi loyalists in the

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hands of International Security Assistance Force. No suggestion of

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malpractice here, Boswell's Amnesty International accuses the Colonel

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Gaddafi regime of widespread crimes under international law, it says it

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has evidence of serious abuses by opposition supporters including

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torture and reprisal killings. Amnesty is calling on the new

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leadership to show more accountability. In February there

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was a rumour about Colonel Gaddafi using black people as mercenaries.

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It is wrong, the NCC has not done a lot to curb that room and now there

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is a lot of retaliation against sub-Saharan Africans. They are at

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real risk of being taken from the work, their home, from the street,

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being tortured and killed. Amnesty International suggests some

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opposition supporters could be responsible for war crimes,

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although on a smaller scale. An allegation rejected by the National

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Transitional Council. They are not a military, they are ordinary

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people. They might be some mistakes, but we cannot clarify them as war-

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crimes. On the ground in Libya, forces of the National Transitional

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Council check vehicles leaving that broke Gaddafi stronghold of Bani

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Walid, as it continues to hold out despite intensive fighting around

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the time -- town and NATO airstrikes. It is full of anxious

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civilians, but the NTC are on the lookout for senior members of the

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Gaddafi regime, trying to make their escape, too. And in Tripoli,

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a new stage for the head of the Endsleigh seat, Mustafa Abdul Jalil

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to address the people. From the same as were Colonel Gaddafi used

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to rally his supporters, he described his vision for the new

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Libya. TRANSLATION: We seek a state of

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institutions, law and prosperity. We won't tolerate any extremist

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ideology on the right or the left. We are Muslim people for a moderate

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Islam and we will stay on this road. You are on our side, you are our

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weapons against anybody who tries to sabotage a revolution.

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Heady times in Tripoli, managing the expectations and the interests

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of the whole population of this nation, one of the major challenges

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ahead. Those allegations from Amnesty

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International are aimed at both sides in the Libyan conflict. Both

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sides are accused of racism and staring of xenophobia which led to

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attacks on sub-Saharan Africans. The majority of violations were

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committed by could at the forces of fighters loyal to the National

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Transitional Council are accused of lynchings and revenge killings. The

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NTC have denied the allegations but Amnesty International say they

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shouldn't allow this behaviour. Claudio Cordone joins us from

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Tripoli. Let ME pick up what the Justice Minister told us in that

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report. He said, the opposition forces were not a military and

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therefore they could not be guilty of what you have suggested, war

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crimes? Libya is still in an ongoing

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conflict, although an internal one. There are some members who commit

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crimes such as torturing prisoners, would be responsible for war crimes.

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The point is not so much the legal definition, the fact is everybody

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should condemn and prosecute anybody who is responsible for the

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kind of abuses such as killing prisoners, torturing them and so on.

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We know the National Transitional Council has said it repeatedly,

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they won't tolerate these crimes. We would like to see more direct

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appeals for these types of acts them not to be carried out. Also in

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particular for the Protection of those who are currently in

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detention centres around the country. We visited many in Tripoli

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and its surroundings. We are very concerned about the treatment of

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detainees in the centre's right now. You must be concerned, it is one

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thing for the chairman of the National Transitional Council to be

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making speeches in Martyr's Square. Quite another thing for him to

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guarantee to people like you that these revenge killings, perhaps

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even war crimes, that they won't continue? We are aware of the

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difficulties that -- difficulties they are facing. It is being ruled

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effectively by a variety of armed groups who may not respond to

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instructions from the National Transitional Council. The council

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is establishing itself as the governments of the new Olivia. They

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should make more direct appeals to deal with some specific crimes. --

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Libya. Not just for not taking reprisals, but the situation of

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black Libyans who are being assumed automatically of being loyal to

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Colonel Gaddafi, who are being detained and roughed up and so on.

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At the same time they should remove from active duty, any fighters they

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suspect of having committed these crimes. It is something we know

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they are aware of, and they have said things that we would like to

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see some proper action on the ground. The situation remains dire.

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You mention xenophobic attacks on black Africans, as opposed to Arabs.

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Have you seen any signs that these people are going to be given the

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kind of protection you are calling for? The television reports we see,

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see them in difficult and dire circumstances. We have also

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witnessed for example, a black Libyan being taken out of hospital

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by gunmen who told him a ring no way you off from and we will take

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you away from Tripoli because they treat you too well. There are many

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examples of that nature affecting Africans from sub-Saharan Africa,

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who have no one to turn to. We have seen those actions and that that is

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why we think a direct appeal, as others have been made by the

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National Transitional Council to all of their fighters to respect

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them in particular, would be important as one way to try to

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influence the variety of armed groups who at the moment are in

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control of much of Libya. Cloudier called Don't Fence the time.

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At least five children and a bus driver had been killed during an

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ambush on a school bus in north- western Pakistan. The children were

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returning to their local village from the shower when the gunmen

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attacked. Almost 20 others were also injured. Police are

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investigating why the bus was targeted.

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Or authorities have stepped up the search for British woman in Kenya

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who was abducted after her husband was killed in an attack on Monday.

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They were staying at a luxury safari village. It is feared the

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woman has been taken to Somalia. The Iranian President, Mahmoud

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Ahmadinejad has told the US network, NBC that two hike is detained in

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Iran will be released. They were seized in 2009 year the border. A

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third hiker was released last year on humanitarian grounds.

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Australia's Prime Minister, Julia Gillard has presented her

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controversial tax bill to Parliament. It would force 500 of

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the country's biggest polluters to pay for every tonne of carbon

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dioxide they emit, in a bid to tackle climate change.

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Becoming a father could cause a sharp fall in the hormone

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testosterone, according to US researchers. A five-year study of

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600 men in the Philippines have found the decline was strongest

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among men who were most involved in raising their children.

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Still to come on the programme: How a new type of lie-detector in test

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could boost security at airports. First, let's get the business news

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with Aaron. If you have to talk me through this. Italy is in trouble,

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but they went marching off to China to try and get some help and what

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happened? They did that last week. Italian officials or work in

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Beijing with their caps in hand. Joining Spain, Portugal, and

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companies like Morgan Stanley. When you are strapped for cash, who were

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you turn to? The only one with money is China. It is sitting on

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reserves of three trillion dollars. We have not had any confirmation

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from Beijing or whether they will buy the Italian debt. But Beijing

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has been supportive towards the eurozone. But given the state of

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some of these economies, why would they want to buy these debts? This

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is a correspondence in Beijing. is trade and it is something

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Chinese officials have spoken about in the last few years. They are

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interested in seeing happen, that the eurozone countries continued

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boosting their economies. Their economies don't falter. If they do,

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people could buy fewer Chinese-made goods and that could hit the

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economy in China. That has not had in any reassurance. Italy went to

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the markets today to raise $9 billion. China has not made up its

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mind about Italy, but it made up its mind about Volvo? Absolutely.

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Just over a year ago, Volvo was under the Ford umbrella and it was

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struggling. It was losing money and Ford wanted rid of it. They sold it

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to a company in China for $1.8 billion and the Magic started to

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happen. Volvo sales are up this year. In China they are up nearly

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40%. It has become the newest luxury brand in the US in terms of

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sales. Volvo is the fastest growing premium brand in the first eight

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months of this year. We have managed significant turnaround last

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year. Volvo is profitable and will remain profitable. We are

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generating positive cash flow and that is despite the investments we

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are taking into new technology and to our industrial footprint. He was

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very optimistic but they are keeping their eye on the markets

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and this talk of recession in the US and Europe.

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US and Europe. Let's take a quick look at the

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We want to hear what do you think. Please get in touch. The best way

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to do that is go to our website. There'll also has of wonderful

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things including some highlights from the programme. -- there are

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all sorts of wonderful things. The headlines: Taliban militants

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have launched co-ordinated attacks in the embassy district of the

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Afghan capital Kabul. Amnesty International says Libyan

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opposition forces may be guilty of war crimes and new authorities in

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Tripoli deny this. A dispute over preparations for

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Nazi atrocities has said Germany and Italy against each other in the

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UN's highest court. Some Italian courts have already received claims

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from victims and their families but Germany has rejected suggestions it

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should pay up. German soldiers captured by allied

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forces and paraded for the cameras as prisoners of war. More than 60

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years on and Germany has forced it to lead to appear here at the

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International Court of Justice. -- forced Italy. They are trying to

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stop victims of the Nazi regime from being allowed to claim

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compensation through the Italian court system. In legal terms of

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this is all about several community. We request a ruling on the

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principle of state immunity, a pillar of present basic standard

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international law. Central to the principle is that of jurisdictional

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immunity, which of course debars private parties from bringing seats

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before the Court of a foreign state against another state for its Act's.

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The Germans dared think it is right they should be dragged into another

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country's courts. -- don't think. It is not just the Italians seeking

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reparations for events that happened during the Second World

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War. This is the aftermath of a massacre. More than 200 Greek

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villagers were killed in the attack carried out by Hitler's army in the

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summer before the end of the war. Lawyers representing Greece will

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explain why they believe these victims should be entitled to claim

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for reparations. It is not a matter of money. For

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those people it is a matter of justice.

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If Germany lose, this could be a landmark case opening up

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opportunities for victims in other nations to seek compensation for

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crimes committed by the Nat seas. - - Nazis.

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A new organisation to support gay men and women around the world has

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been lodged today. Kaleidoscope will promote diversity and drugs --

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was back to. It will name and shame countries where persecution of

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homosexuals is widespread. We are joined by a Nigerian gay activist

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and a founding member, and the director, land price. Bisi Alim, if

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I could start with you. Nigeria is a free-for-all, all sorts of things

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of possible, the you have had a particularly nasty experience --

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but you have had. I have. It is interesting you say

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it is a country where everything is possible, more like the American

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dream, I don't know what we will have the Nigerian dream. But there

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is so much tension around religion, tripe, and at the court is the

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tension around sexuality and sex education. People like me and so

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many others, it is interesting for you to know it is just last year

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that the law was passed in Nigeria that allowed women to apply for

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international passports without the permission of their husband. You

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can see the situation. What happened to you personally? You

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come out publicly on television. 2004, and before the show we knew

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something would happen, we knew there would be a backlash but it

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was more than what we were expecting and the bottom line was I

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was almost killed. Just like Uganda activist. I was lucky enough to be

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able to escape, find my way back to the UK where I have been given

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another opportunity to live my life. Lance, that is a graphic example of

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what the problem is. Perhaps we are not so convinced about why did

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needs a new organisation, there are lots that have been fighting for

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gay rights at work in this area. You are right and they have done

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some fantastic work. Stonewall, probably the best-known but some

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big international gay rights organisations as well. But nobody

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has tried to do what we think Kaleidoscope can do which is on two

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levels, connecting with people who are in the same situation he was in,

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not quite sure how to respond to events in his own country, and if

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we can build up the capacity and their ability to engage with their

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media, governments and learn from one another about what works and

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what doesn't work in terms of trying to level the playing field,

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because certainly media coverage, the people who want to preach hate

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have an easy ride. Most of the coverage of human sexuality, gay

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issues, is very hostile. If we can redress that balance a little bit...

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Here you are, a white man sitting in London, director of an

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organisation, most of the problem we are talking about is in the

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southern states, Africa, Asia. There is a problem there, isn't it

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going to sound like white liberals preaching to agents? That is why

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all first conversations we had to work with people like Bisi Alim. We

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are based in London, we make no apologies for that. The language we

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use, the whole way the operate, it will be driven by them, it is about

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building up support. You mentioned earlier, you talked

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about religion and sex education and so on. You didn't use the word

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culture. But actually what you're up against his culture, is it not?

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Even in countries like South Africa which earned a well as the most

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liberal of constitutions, -- which I know well. You said you have been

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to Nigeria, you can see that when people talk about culture they talk

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about religion. There is this fluidity between culture, what is

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culture, and porters religion? Every time we talk about a culture

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in Africa we talk about a Christian God or a Muslim God which is not

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our culture. We have forgotten about our tradition. They are

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traditional day 80s. Would they have been any more tolerant? There

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is history of homosexuality before white man. Even white people came

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to Africa recorded history of where men were dressed like women, men

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were the third minute, had what you would call husbands, and these

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people were living happily within the society, within the framework

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of the society. They were not far removed or living in the bush. The

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law that criminalised, sexuality is British law.

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I noticed in your literature you say you're prepared to name and

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shame countries that don't give equal rights. Why don't you start

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now. Name a few countries. It doesn't take Kaleidoscope to

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name and shame countries. We know about Nigeria. Two or three

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examples, Uganda, only... We know that already. 38 of the 50 members

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of the Commonwealth criminalise and sexuality. Criminalise, have laws

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criminalising homosexuality in some form or another. Most of those laws

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were left behind by the British as a result of the colonies. You

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mention South Africa where the constitution was changed. India it

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has been decriminalised, so it is possible to make a change. It is

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not about as coming from outside telling them what to do, the

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British have made two mistakes already -- too many mistakes. Why

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was India able to make progress? Why is it in a wonder they can have

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a sensible discussion about these issues than in Uganda? -- Rwandan.

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As efforts continue to rebuild Japan's north-east region

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devastated by the earthquake and tsunami six months ago defected

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communities have been receiving help and support from around the

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world in various forms. The young Greek pianist Panos Karan, the

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founder of the charity, Keys Of Change, gave his support to the

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displaced playing 11 recitals in eight days for those living in

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emergency shelters in Fukushima. He said the trip changed him as an

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artist and a person with people teaching him a sense of dignity and

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compassion that touched him beyond words.

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International news and intelligent analysis going live to the heart of the day's top global story. George Alagiah shares his experience as one of the BBC's most successful foreign correspondents to communicate why world stories matter to a UK and global audience.

Featuring exclusive reports from BBC World News correspondents based around the world, plus up-to-the-minute global business news.


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