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-The past two years have been -very busy for Welsh politics.	0:00:14	0:00:19
-Next Thursday we'll return -to the ballot boxes yet again...	0:00:19	0:00:23
-..for the 2017 General Election.	0:00:23	0:00:26
-Tonight, Hacio has invited -five politicians...	0:00:27	0:00:30
-..to face questions on prominent -issues from our audience.	0:00:30	0:00:34
-It's a very interesting election.	0:00:35	0:00:38
-You've just been spouting -a lot of rhetoric.	0:00:38	0:00:41
-Aren't you living in a fantasy?	0:00:42	0:00:43
-Aren't you living in a fantasy? - -Why should we believe you?	0:00:43	0:00:46
-Co-operating for the sake of peace.	0:00:46	0:00:48
-Co-operating for the sake of peace. - -This country isn't a nightclub.	0:00:48	0:00:49
-That wasn't my question.	0:00:50	0:00:51
-That wasn't my question. - -He's been blamed for the NHS' 350m.	0:00:51	0:00:53
-If we borrow we'll be back in the -same hole we were in 10 years ago.	0:00:54	0:00:58
-Welcome to Hacio'n Holi.	0:00:58	0:01:00
-Audience members -from all over Wales...	0:01:06	0:01:09
-..have come to -Swansea College of Art...	0:01:09	0:01:12
-..to hear responses -to the burning issues worrying them.	0:01:12	0:01:17
-Labour is the first party -to appear this evening.	0:01:19	0:01:23
-Before we meet its representative, -Guto gives us the lowdown.	0:01:23	0:01:27
-Comrade Corbyn and his fellow -Socialists in the Labour Party...	0:01:31	0:01:34
-..are ready to resurrect Communism -and turn Britain into a Soviet mess.	0:01:35	0:01:40
-Well... at least that's what -some of his opponents are saying.	0:01:40	0:01:45
-How are you doing?	0:01:48	0:01:49
-It's true, Corbyn is the most left- -wing leader of the party in decades.	0:01:49	0:01:54
-Pledges to nationalize railways, -increase taxes for the wealthy...	0:01:54	0:01:59
-..and build affordable housing are -popular among his loyal Sputniks.	0:01:59	0:02:04
-But Corbyn didn't get -all his pledges into the manifesto.	0:02:05	0:02:09
-Labour's red book includes a pledge -to renew Trident nuclear weapons.	0:02:09	0:02:13
-Corbyn hopes for an -electoral revolution on 8 June...	0:02:16	0:02:20
-..but Labour's moderate supporters -are ready to replace him...	0:02:20	0:02:24
-..if Labour -doesn't achieve full Marx!	0:02:24	0:02:27
-Nia Griffith, a warm welcome.	0:02:45	0:02:47
-Here's your first question -from Morli.	0:02:47	0:02:50
-Who are you representing tonight? -British Labour or Welsh Labour?	0:02:50	0:02:55
-I'm pleased to be here -representing Labour.	0:02:55	0:02:58
-Welsh Labour and British Labour.	0:02:58	0:03:00
-What's very important to us...	0:03:01	0:03:03
-..is that we began -the devolution process in Wales...	0:03:03	0:03:07
-..and established the Assembly -in the first place.	0:03:07	0:03:10
-Our manifesto reflects the fact -that the Assembly has powers...	0:03:11	0:03:15
-..and that the Welsh Government -decides what we do here in Wales.	0:03:16	0:03:21
-The fact is, if we were -in government across the UK...	0:03:22	0:03:26
-..Labour would give Wales more money -to do more things...	0:03:27	0:03:30
-..such as investing in education.	0:03:31	0:03:33
-Carwyn Jones has obviously distanced -himself from Jeremy Corbyn.	0:03:33	0:03:39
-Isn't he throwing dust -into voters' eyes by doing that?	0:03:39	0:03:44
-The fact is, Assembly elections -were held a year ago...	0:03:44	0:03:50
-..to create a Welsh Government, -and the fact is...	0:03:50	0:03:54
-..we have the powers -to do things a little differently.	0:03:54	0:03:58
-However, we're one united -Labour Party across the UK...	0:03:58	0:04:02
-..and we're asking people -to vote Labour.	0:04:02	0:04:05
-Aren't the differences -in your views...	0:04:06	0:04:09
-..and Jeremy Corbyn's views -on Trident a clear indication...	0:04:09	0:04:13
-..that you're too divided -as a party for us to trust you?	0:04:13	0:04:17
-How can you justify -your support of Trident...	0:04:17	0:04:20
-..when your party's leader says -he wants to see a world...	0:04:20	0:04:24
-..with no nuclear weapons?	0:04:24	0:04:26
-Jeremy Corbyn said only this week -that our manifesto...	0:04:27	0:04:31
-..highlights -our commitment to Trident.	0:04:31	0:04:35
-That's the Labour Party's policy.	0:04:35	0:04:37
-It's what we decided in 2007...	0:04:38	0:04:40
-..when we began updating -the Trident programme.	0:04:40	0:04:45
-What happens now, time and time -again, in our annual conference...	0:04:45	0:04:50
-..is that we repeat our commitment -to the Trident programme.	0:04:51	0:04:56
-Isn't it frustrating -that your leader is against it...	0:04:56	0:05:00
-..yet you have to excuse him -and continue pleading your case?	0:05:00	0:05:05
-Isn't that frustrating for you?	0:05:05	0:05:07
-He said only this week...	0:05:07	0:05:09
-..that he accepts the fact it's in -the manifesto and it's party policy.	0:05:09	0:05:14
-They were his own words.	0:05:14	0:05:16
-Let's consider -the opinion polls for a moment.	0:05:16	0:05:20
-The Conservatives are in the lead...	0:05:20	0:05:22
-..despite Theresa May's U-turn.	0:05:23	0:05:25
-Doesn't that say more about -your party and Jeremy Corbyn...	0:05:25	0:05:29
-..that you're still lagging behind -the Conservatives' mess?	0:05:29	0:05:33
-What's important is that people -listen to our manifesto pledges.	0:05:33	0:05:38
-They like the fact we're -taking back control of the trains...	0:05:38	0:05:44
-..of the railways...	0:05:44	0:05:46
-..and the energy companies.	0:05:46	0:05:48
-That's incredibly important -for people.	0:05:48	0:05:51
-People see things in our manifesto -and like what they see.	0:05:51	0:05:56
-I don't understand -your plan for the economy.	0:05:56	0:05:59
-If we borrow we'll be back in the -same hole we were in 10 years ago.	0:06:00	0:06:04
-What's important to remember -about the Welsh economy...	0:06:04	0:06:08
-..is the fact -that industries have disappeared.	0:06:08	0:06:11
-But the economy is now growing.	0:06:11	0:06:14
-The growth of the economy in Wales -is better than England's...	0:06:14	0:06:18
-..because the Welsh Government -has invested in the current economy.	0:06:18	0:06:23
-What's happened -with the Conservatives...	0:06:24	0:06:27
-..for the first five years -under George Osborne...	0:06:27	0:06:31
-..is that they've failed to invest -in the economy and slowed it down.	0:06:31	0:06:35
-That's why debt has risen.	0:06:35	0:06:37
-That's why debt has risen. - -Moving on to another question.	0:06:37	0:06:39
-Rory, what's your question -for Nia Griffith?	0:06:39	0:06:42
-Do you agree with Jeremy Corbyn -and believe there's a connection...	0:06:42	0:06:47
-..between UK foreign policy and -terrorist attacks on the country?	0:06:47	0:06:52
-What Jeremy Corbyn said this week -is clear.	0:06:52	0:06:57
-He condemned terrorism and terrorist -networks behind the attacks.	0:06:57	0:07:02
-But he mentioned the fact -that sometimes...	0:07:02	0:07:06
-..when you create a power vacuum -in turbulent countries...	0:07:06	0:07:10
-..it's possible that you give things -like Daesh an opportunity to grow.	0:07:10	0:07:16
-This is an important point to make.	0:07:16	0:07:18
-We have to acknowledge -that this can happen...	0:07:19	0:07:24
-..and we have to deal -with Daesh or ISIS.	0:07:24	0:07:28
-So you agree -with Jeremy Corbyn's comments?	0:07:28	0:07:31
-Yes, I agree -that terrorism is an awful thing...	0:07:32	0:07:35
-..and that we must condemn -terrorism, wherever it occurs.	0:07:35	0:07:40
-But the facts is, -opportunities arise sometimes...	0:07:40	0:07:43
-..that facilitate -the growth of Daesh...	0:07:44	0:07:47
-..and we have to deal with it -and do something about it.	0:07:47	0:07:51
-What's your question, Aled?	0:07:51	0:07:52
-What's your question, Aled? - -You talk of the power vacuum...	0:07:52	0:07:55
-..but the man responsible -for the tragedy in Manchester...	0:07:55	0:07:59
-..was born in Britain.	0:07:59	0:08:01
-His parents were from Libya, -a country known for its turmoil.	0:08:01	0:08:04
-He hadn't come from a power vacuum, -he was raised here.	0:08:05	0:08:08
-We shouldn't be asking why -he grew to hate Britain so much...	0:08:08	0:08:13
-..that he blew up children -in a pop concert.	0:08:13	0:08:16
-Instead of focusing -on foreign policy...	0:08:16	0:08:19
-..we should consider how we deal -with these matters at home.	0:08:19	0:08:23
-It's true, it's very important...	0:08:23	0:08:26
-..that we take a closer look -at strategies such as Prevent...	0:08:26	0:08:30
-..and look at ways to improve it...	0:08:31	0:08:33
-..so that every community -in our country is confident...	0:08:33	0:08:37
-..and that they can contribute -and contact the police...	0:08:37	0:08:43
-..if they see things -that aren't quite right...	0:08:43	0:08:47
-..or if things are going wrong.	0:08:47	0:08:49
-It's very important -to ask the question...	0:08:50	0:08:53
-..how can we ensure that people -don't become radicalised?	0:08:53	0:08:58
-We have to look at the internet, -how they get their information...	0:08:58	0:09:02
-..how they can -discuss issues like this...	0:09:03	0:09:06
-..and try our best to stop it.	0:09:06	0:09:08
-People who've become terrorists...	0:09:08	0:09:11
-..are those who've been raised -in our own country.	0:09:11	0:09:15
-I'll come to you, Helen, -for the final question.	0:09:15	0:09:18
-Returning to the evil act -that happened last Monday...	0:09:19	0:09:22
-..did you know that Andy Burnham -wanted to abolish Prevent?	0:09:22	0:09:27
-My question is, are politicians, -especially within Labour...	0:09:27	0:09:31
-..more concerned -with pleasing Muslims...	0:09:31	0:09:34
-..than keeping our children safe?	0:09:35	0:09:37
-We have to ensure that -strategies such as Prevent work.	0:09:37	0:09:42
-It's not a question -of pleasing Muslims.	0:09:42	0:09:46
-The fact is, the Muslim world, many -people within the Muslim world...	0:09:46	0:09:51
-..are thinking...	0:09:52	0:09:54
-..how they themselves can -prevent individuals in society...	0:09:54	0:09:59
-..from being influenced.	0:09:59	0:10:01
-We're all frightened.	0:10:01	0:10:04
-Jeremy Corbyn has voted against -anti-terrorism policies in the past.	0:10:04	0:10:08
-Isn't the Labour Party the greatest -risk to our national security?	0:10:09	0:10:13
-If Jeremy Corbyn were prime -minister, he's a reasonable person.	0:10:13	0:10:18
-He thinks things through -thoroughly...	0:10:18	0:10:21
-..he takes advice -from experts in the field.	0:10:21	0:10:24
-He'd do whatever it takes -to ensure people's safety.	0:10:24	0:10:28
-What's very important about Jeremy -Corbyn is that he's anti-violence.	0:10:28	0:10:33
-He doesn't condone -any form of terrorism.	0:10:33	0:10:36
-The fact is, we have to find ways -to ensure national security.	0:10:36	0:10:40
-It's a grave question -and there's no simple answer.	0:10:41	0:10:44
-Nia Griffith, thank you very much -for joining us this evening.	0:10:44	0:10:48
-The Conservatives are next. -Guto gives us the lowdown.	0:10:49	0:10:52
-The Conservatives -have been in power...	0:10:54	0:10:57
-..since their victory in the last -General Election in 2015.	0:10:57	0:11:02
-Back then, -David Cameron was at the helm...	0:11:02	0:11:06
-..sailing along happily -with the tide.	0:11:07	0:11:09
-But following -the unexpected referendum result...	0:11:09	0:11:13
-..Dave saw the tide turn and it was -abandon ship for him and his pals.	0:11:13	0:11:18
-Now, it's the bloody difficult woman -at the helm - Theresa May.	0:11:19	0:11:23
-She follows in the footsteps -of another bloody difficult woman.	0:11:23	0:11:29
-She's changed the boat's direction -a few times...	0:11:29	0:11:33
-..but by pledging to tackle -immigration, renew pensions...	0:11:33	0:11:37
-..and reduce taxes, she hopes to -steer her ship straight to No.10.	0:11:37	0:11:42
-Captain May hopes -her strong and stable leadership...	0:11:43	0:11:46
-..will guide her ship through -the Brexit storm to a safe haven.	0:11:47	0:11:51
-Havard Hughes, -thank you for joining us tonight.	0:12:05	0:12:09
-Rhydian has the first question.	0:12:10	0:12:12
-Following her call for a ballot -on her social care policy...	0:12:12	0:12:16
-..Theresa May has made U-turns -since becoming Prime Minister.	0:12:16	0:12:21
-Is she cracking under pressure, -proving she's not strong and stable?	0:12:21	0:12:26
-It's not a U-turn in my mind.	0:12:26	0:12:28
-A plan needs to be formulated -for the older generation.	0:12:29	0:12:34
-We're a country -with a growing aging population.	0:12:35	0:12:40
-Something has to be done to provide -a solution to that problem.	0:12:40	0:12:44
-Just to return to Theresa May...	0:12:44	0:12:48
-..can anyone really trust her?	0:12:48	0:12:52
-When she's under pressure -and faces opposition...	0:12:52	0:12:55
-..she goes back on her word.	0:12:55	0:12:57
-Do you trust Theresa May?	0:12:57	0:12:59
-Do you trust Theresa May? - -I disagree.	0:12:59	0:13:00
-Theresa May keeps her word.	0:13:01	0:13:04
-We need -a strong and stable government...	0:13:04	0:13:09
-..to negotiate Brexit.	0:13:09	0:13:11
-Theresa May is the perfect -Prime Minister for the job.	0:13:11	0:13:16
-You've got something to say, Helen.	0:13:17	0:13:18
-You've got something to say, Helen. - -Theresa May voted to stay in the EU.	0:13:18	0:13:20
-Is her heart really in leaving -the European Union?	0:13:20	0:13:24
-She's respecting the people's vote.	0:13:25	0:13:28
-This is very important.	0:13:29	0:13:33
-Government must respect what people -in Wales have said about Brexit.	0:13:33	0:13:39
-We'll return to Brexit later. -Your question, Felix?	0:13:39	0:13:42
-Why doesn't she respect people's -wishes and appear in a TV debate?	0:13:43	0:13:47
-Jeremy Corbyn -is a bad person in my mind...	0:13:51	0:13:55
-..because of his associations -with the IRA during the 1980s.	0:13:56	0:14:01
-That wasn't my question.	0:14:02	0:14:03
-I asked why doesn't Theresa May -respect people's wishes...	0:14:04	0:14:08
-..and oppose Jeremy Corbyn -in a TV debate?	0:14:08	0:14:10
-My question wasn't about the IRA.	0:14:11	0:14:14
-I disagree.	0:14:14	0:14:16
-Theresa May's -strong and stable leadership...	0:14:16	0:14:19
-..is perfect for this election.	0:14:20	0:14:23
-I think people -should vote Conservative...	0:14:23	0:14:26
-..I'm a Conservative...	0:14:26	0:14:29
-..to ensure a better deal -for the country.	0:14:30	0:14:33
-You have a question, Richard?	0:14:33	0:14:36
-If she's strong and stable, -why didn't May go on television...	0:14:36	0:14:41
-..if you believe -Corbyn is bad and weak?	0:14:41	0:14:44
-Theresa May has appeared on TV.	0:14:45	0:14:47
-When I press the button, Theresa May -is always on television...	0:14:47	0:14:51
-..so I'd have to -disagree with you there.	0:14:52	0:14:55
-Moving on to the next question.	0:14:55	0:14:57
-Ffion Watcyn, what's your question?	0:14:58	0:15:00
-With Britain -preparing to leave the EU...	0:15:01	0:15:04
-..nobody knows what's ahead of us.	0:15:04	0:15:06
-What assurances can you give us -as Wales' younger generation...	0:15:06	0:15:10
-..that we'll benefit from Brexit?	0:15:11	0:15:12
-..that we'll benefit from Brexit? - -Brexit is a new start for Britain.	0:15:12	0:15:16
-It's time -for a new beginning in Wales too.	0:15:16	0:15:22
-Our country has a bright future...	0:15:25	0:15:28
-..working together -with the rest of the world...	0:15:28	0:15:33
-..not just the EU.	0:15:33	0:15:35
-Do you foresee a bright future -for Wales and for yourself, Ffion?	0:15:36	0:15:41
-I don't have confidence -in the plan to leave the EU.	0:15:42	0:15:45
-I voted to remain. I thought it was -the best thing to do as a country.	0:15:45	0:15:50
-I don't see a bright future because -there's no clear plan in place.	0:15:50	0:15:56
-No effort has been made by Theresa -May to engage with young people.	0:15:56	0:16:00
-I haven't seen her speak to young -people as Jeremy Corbyn has done.	0:16:01	0:16:06
-You've something to say, Felix?	0:16:06	0:16:08
-How successful do you think the -negotiations are going thus far?	0:16:08	0:16:13
-Very successful. We're leaving -the EU, we're not leaving Europe.	0:16:14	0:16:18
-People in Germany and France -will still want the things...	0:16:19	0:16:24
-..we're producing in rural Wales.	0:16:24	0:16:27
-Milk and meat.	0:16:28	0:16:30
-I don't think it's a huge problem.	0:16:31	0:16:35
-Negotiations will be tough...	0:16:36	0:16:40
-..but if we had -a strong and stable government...	0:16:42	0:16:45
-..I think -we're going to be successful.	0:16:46	0:16:50
-Moving on -to the third question from Richard.	0:16:50	0:16:55
-Opinion polls -suggest the Conservatives...	0:16:55	0:16:57
-..will win more seats in Wales -than ever before.	0:16:58	0:17:00
-But isn't it true that the Tories -don't care at all about Wales?	0:17:01	0:17:05
-The Conservatives -are proud of Wales.	0:17:05	0:17:09
-I come from Carmarthenshire...	0:17:09	0:17:11
-..and the Conservatives -are doing great work for farmers.	0:17:15	0:17:19
-I believe the Conservative Party...	0:17:19	0:17:22
-..loves Wales -more than other countries...	0:17:22	0:17:25
-..because we're able -to have negotiations...	0:17:26	0:17:31
-..with Europe...	0:17:31	0:17:33
-..which are going to ensure -very good results for Wales.	0:17:33	0:17:38
-Wales is one -of the poorest countries in Europe.	0:17:40	0:17:43
-Doesn't that prove a lack of care -and a lack of investment...	0:17:43	0:17:48
-..from the Westminster government -over the years?	0:17:48	0:17:51
-The economy is doing a good job -for the people of Wales.	0:17:52	0:17:57
-More people than ever before -are in employment in Wales.	0:17:58	0:18:04
-This is something...	0:18:04	0:18:07
-..the Conservatives are -working towards in our manifesto.	0:18:07	0:18:11
-Moving on to the final question -for you, Havard Hughes, from Efa.	0:18:11	0:18:16
-You said Theresa May is a woman -who believes in what she says...	0:18:17	0:18:21
-..and doesn't make U-turns...	0:18:21	0:18:23
-..but she made comments recently...	0:18:23	0:18:26
-..about the fact there are -women's jobs and men's jobs.	0:18:26	0:18:30
-Do you believe that?	0:18:31	0:18:32
-Do you believe that? - -No, I don't believe that.	0:18:32	0:18:34
-The Conservatives have produced -two female prime ministers.	0:18:34	0:18:40
-Where's Labour in comparison?	0:18:40	0:18:43
-I think the Conservatives -are doing good work...	0:18:43	0:18:49
-..in empowering women and girls.	0:18:50	0:18:52
-There are -far more female candidates...	0:18:52	0:18:55
-..representing the Conservatives...	0:18:56	0:19:00
-..than ever before.	0:19:00	0:19:04
-Theresa May -regards herself as a feminist.	0:19:04	0:19:08
-But don't comments like these -prove she's old fashioned?	0:19:08	0:19:12
-Many Conservative policies -could be considered old fashioned.	0:19:12	0:19:18
-Those from the last election could -even be likened to UKIP policies.	0:19:18	0:19:22
-Does that mean the Conservatives -are turning into...	0:19:22	0:19:26
-..a UKIP-light party?	0:19:27	0:19:29
-No. -My politics are middle of the road.	0:19:29	0:19:33
-I'm not extreme -and neither is Theresa May.	0:19:34	0:19:39
-Conservative policies...	0:19:39	0:19:42
-..are for all the people.	0:19:42	0:19:45
-Havard Hughes, -thank you for joining us tonight.	0:19:46	0:19:49
-Join us after the break...	0:19:49	0:19:51
-..to see how Plaid Cymru -responds to our questions.	0:19:52	0:19:55
-I haven't seen your party -working efficiently so far.	0:19:55	0:20:00
-Isn't a Plaid vote -a wasted vote in this election?	0:20:00	0:20:03
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-Subtitles - -Subtitles	0:20:09	0:20:11
-Welcome back to Hacio'n Holi, -where our audience has the chance...	0:20:12	0:20:16
-..to question and challenge -politicians from the main parties...	0:20:16	0:20:20
-..before polling stations open -a week today.	0:20:20	0:20:23
-Plaid Cymru's next. -Here's Glesni's lowdown.	0:20:23	0:20:27
-Plaid Cymru is ready for a fight.	0:20:31	0:20:34
-Today's emblem -is a pretty yellow flower...	0:20:36	0:20:39
-..replacing -a red dragon on three mountains.	0:20:40	0:20:43
-The fire has returned this year -by way of yet another symbol.	0:20:43	0:20:47
-A shield.	0:20:47	0:20:48
-Plaid Cymru believes -it's the shield to defend Wales.	0:20:51	0:20:55
-Indeed, the word "defend" -is repeated more than 40 times...	0:20:55	0:21:00
-..in their manifesto.	0:21:01	0:21:03
-Leanne Wood is ready -to fight for our healthcare...	0:21:03	0:21:07
-..and train 1,000 doctors -and 5,000 new nurses in Wales.	0:21:07	0:21:11
-On the Brexit battleground, -Leanne wants to save Wales...	0:21:11	0:21:15
-..from the Tories -and their hard Brexit...	0:21:16	0:21:18
-..and follow her heroine, -Super Sturgeon, by campaigning...	0:21:18	0:21:22
-..to stay in the Single Market.	0:21:22	0:21:24
-But hang on, -Wales voted in favour of Brexit...	0:21:25	0:21:29
-..so who's Leanne fighting for?	0:21:29	0:21:32
-Daniel Williams, welcome.	0:21:49	0:21:52
-The first question for Plaid Cymru -comes from Aled Russell.	0:21:53	0:21:57
-The manifesto makes little reference -to independence for Wales.	0:21:57	0:22:01
-Have you give up on that dream?	0:22:02	0:22:04
-No, not at all.	0:22:04	0:22:07
-It's more than just a dream.	0:22:07	0:22:09
-We're not on the brink -of independence in this election.	0:22:09	0:22:13
-We're not fighting -for independence...	0:22:13	0:22:16
-..but Wales -needs to be on a journey.	0:22:16	0:22:19
-Our manifesto lays out new economic -and cultural foundations...	0:22:19	0:22:23
-..for reigniting that story that -will lead to eventual independence.	0:22:24	0:22:28
-In your 2015 manifesto -you referred to Scotland 12 times.	0:22:29	0:22:33
-This year, -no reference is made to Scotland.	0:22:34	0:22:37
-Doesn't that suggest -you've given up on the dream?	0:22:37	0:22:40
-The context -is what's important here.	0:22:41	0:22:43
-The change has been Brexit...	0:22:43	0:22:46
-..and the decision -to pull out of Europe.	0:22:46	0:22:49
-This is a Brexit election.	0:22:49	0:22:51
-What's important to us -is that we fight Wales' corner.	0:22:51	0:22:56
-We're the voice. We're forcing -London to pay attention to Wales.	0:22:57	0:23:01
-What do you have to say, Dewi?	0:23:01	0:23:03
-There was only one type of Brexit -that people talked about...	0:23:03	0:23:08
-..in last year's referendum, -and that meant leaving.	0:23:08	0:23:12
-There was no talk -of staying within the Single Market.	0:23:12	0:23:16
-Though Wales voted -to leave the EU...	0:23:16	0:23:18
-..why are you still -campaigning for us to remain?	0:23:19	0:23:22
-I have to disagree. There were -several Brexits on the table.	0:23:22	0:23:27
-No-one was completely sure -about what was on offer.	0:23:27	0:23:31
-Even extreme Brexiteers were -campaigning for a Nordic model.	0:23:31	0:23:35
-You can find them on YouTube.	0:23:36	0:23:38
-We're not campaigning to remain.	0:23:38	0:23:40
-We accept the referendum result...	0:23:41	0:23:43
-..and what we must do now...	0:23:43	0:23:45
-..is ensure laws for Wales -within the forthcoming Brexit.	0:23:46	0:23:49
-What do you have to say, Rory?	0:23:50	0:23:52
-Do you truly see yourselves -as the voice of Wales...	0:23:52	0:23:56
-..when your party failed to convince -most of the country...	0:23:56	0:24:00
-..to vote to remain -in last year's referendum?	0:24:00	0:24:04
-That's a fair question and every -party faces tension in politics.	0:24:04	0:24:09
-Should politics -reflect the status quo...	0:24:09	0:24:13
-..or should politics -change people's minds?	0:24:13	0:24:16
-We're part of a national campaign.	0:24:16	0:24:19
-I'm part of an organisation raising -awareness of the Welsh identity...	0:24:19	0:24:23
-..and using that Welshness...	0:24:23	0:24:26
-..as a weapon against -right-wing British nationalism.	0:24:26	0:24:30
-We have three hard-working MPs...	0:24:30	0:24:32
-..who've won awards -for their efforts in Westminster.	0:24:32	0:24:36
-If that number doubled, it would -strengthen our nation's voice.	0:24:36	0:24:41
-We'll return to strengthening -Plaid Cymru's voice later...	0:24:41	0:24:46
-..but the second question -comes from Richard.	0:24:46	0:24:49
-Considering the success -of the SNP gaining 56 seats...	0:24:49	0:24:53
-..and Plaid Cymru -stagnating on three seats...	0:24:53	0:24:57
-..has Leanne Wood -failed as a leader?	0:24:57	0:25:00
-Interesting question. -I wouldn't say so.	0:25:00	0:25:03
-Leanne's an inspiration, leading -a lively and inclusive campaign.	0:25:03	0:25:08
-She attracts -many young people into the party.	0:25:08	0:25:12
-We're seeing Welsh Labour -using its Welshness...	0:25:12	0:25:15
-..to distance itself -from British Labour.	0:25:16	0:25:19
-This is down to -Leanne Wood's successful leadership.	0:25:19	0:25:22
-You say that Leanne Wood is -an inspiration to you personally...	0:25:23	0:25:27
-..but she's failed to inspire Wales, -hasn't she?	0:25:27	0:25:31
-She may get four seats -in the coming election...	0:25:31	0:25:35
-..but if you don't win any more...	0:25:35	0:25:38
-..surely her future as leader -must be questioned?	0:25:38	0:25:41
-The press -regularly asks Leanne about this...	0:25:41	0:25:45
-..and asks -how many more MPs we need.	0:25:45	0:25:50
-Leanne is a politician with -a long-term vision for her party.	0:25:50	0:25:54
-She's had plenty of time by now, -hasn't she?	0:25:55	0:25:58
-That's true, but we've had many -elections in quick succession...	0:25:58	0:26:03
-..and we've seen -increased success.	0:26:03	0:26:07
-Moving on to the third question for -you, Daniel Williams, from Brengain.	0:26:07	0:26:12
-In your campaign, -you claim to be a shield for Wales.	0:26:13	0:26:17
-Aren't you guilty -of playing the victim?	0:26:17	0:26:21
-There's a danger of that, in a way, -but that's the context we're in.	0:26:21	0:26:26
-The shield is not only -a protective symbol...	0:26:26	0:26:30
-..it's also a symbol -of pushing against...	0:26:31	0:26:34
-..British right-wing elements we've -seen emerging over recent years.	0:26:34	0:26:40
-We're defending the best of Welsh -culture and political culture.	0:26:40	0:26:45
-That's the idea behind the shield.	0:26:45	0:26:48
-But it's important that a political -party isn't purely defensive.	0:26:48	0:26:53
-It needs a vision and that's why -our argument on Brexit...	0:26:53	0:26:57
-..is central to our campaign.	0:26:57	0:26:58
-..is central to our campaign. - -Final question from Morli.	0:26:58	0:27:01
-Is a vote for Plaid Cymru -a wasted vote in this election?	0:27:01	0:27:05
-I haven't seen your party -working effectively so far.	0:27:05	0:27:09
-I very much hope -I've convinced most of you...	0:27:09	0:27:12
-..that a vote for Plaid Cymru -isn't a wasted one.	0:27:12	0:27:16
-That argument just suggests -it's a two-party election...	0:27:16	0:27:20
-..and accepts the way the British -press provides the narrative.	0:27:20	0:27:25
-We're here to provide an alternative -choice. A different choice.	0:27:25	0:27:29
-We're a party that breaks away -from the predictable stance...	0:27:30	0:27:34
-..of the Labour party.	0:27:34	0:27:36
-We're full of new ideas. The -manifesto is brimming with ideas.	0:27:36	0:27:40
-We're looking for an opportunity -to fulfil them.	0:27:41	0:27:44
-You're talking about breaking away -from Labour's predictability...	0:27:45	0:27:50
-..but I'm not hearing any -of the ideas you would roll out...	0:27:50	0:27:53
-..if you were to win more seats.	0:27:54	0:27:57
-You've just been spouting -a lot of rhetoric.	0:27:57	0:28:00
-I was merely responding -to the questions.	0:28:00	0:28:03
-In a Brexit context, Plaid Cymru -campaigned to remain in Europe.	0:28:03	0:28:08
-We're disheartened that we voted to -leave but it affords opportunities.	0:28:08	0:28:13
-One of those opportunities is that -we can set our own taxation system.	0:28:13	0:28:18
-Europe would allow us to do that.	0:28:18	0:28:21
-When we -take this argument to London...	0:28:21	0:28:25
-..and insist that we -must address poverty in Wales...	0:28:25	0:28:29
-..we must be given the levers -for changing the VAT level...	0:28:29	0:28:33
-..corporation tax and airport duty.	0:28:34	0:28:37
-If we had the authority -to control them...	0:28:38	0:28:41
-..we could revive Wales' economy.	0:28:41	0:28:44
-That's the kind of policies Plaid -Cymru are pledging in this election.	0:28:44	0:28:49
-It's not all rhetoric. -I urge you to read the manifesto.	0:28:49	0:28:53
-It's brimming with feasible ideas.	0:28:53	0:28:56
-Daniel Williams, -thank you for joining us.	0:28:56	0:28:59
-Join us after the break...	0:28:59	0:29:01
-..to hear why the Lib Dems -believe they deserve your vote.	0:29:01	0:29:05
-How can the Lib Dems -justify holding another referendum?	0:29:05	0:29:11
-Why should we believe -anything you say?	0:29:11	0:29:14
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-We've already heard the views -of three political parties.	0:29:22	0:29:27
-The Lib Dems are next, but first...	0:29:27	0:29:29
-..let's hear Guto's views -on the party.	0:29:30	0:29:33
-The Liberal Democrats.	0:29:36	0:29:38
-They're still here.	0:29:38	0:29:40
-Following their coalition -with the Tories...	0:29:41	0:29:44
-..they're as popular -as a snitch in school.	0:29:44	0:29:47
-The party won only one seat -in the last General Election.	0:29:49	0:29:53
-According to their leader, -they're on their way back.	0:29:54	0:29:58
-A referendum on the terms of Brexit, -reversing some austerity measures...	0:30:00	0:30:04
-..and legalising cannabis.	0:30:04	0:30:06
-This is how they're making -new friends.	0:30:06	0:30:09
-Farron admits they don't have -a chance to win the election...	0:30:10	0:30:14
-..but will the Lib Dems ever return -to the good old days...	0:30:14	0:30:18
-..when they were seen as the -good children of British politics?	0:30:19	0:30:23
	0:30:23	0:30:25
-Rhys Taylor from the Liberal -democrats, a warm welcome to you.	0:30:38	0:30:42
-The first question comes from Helen.	0:30:42	0:30:45
-How many referendums -do you need before you accept...	0:30:45	0:30:49
-..that people in the UK -want to leave the EU?	0:30:49	0:30:53
-We accept the result -of last year's referendum.	0:30:53	0:30:56
-What we don't accept is the decision -Theresa May is going to make...	0:30:56	0:31:00
-..when she gets the majority -she's hoping for...	0:31:00	0:31:04
-..to drag Britain out of the EU -and the Single Market.	0:31:04	0:31:07
-We're asking for a referendum on -the terms of the deal we receive...	0:31:08	0:31:13
-..and the relationship we have -with the European Union.	0:31:13	0:31:18
-It's a referendum on the terms, -not a second referendum on leaving.	0:31:18	0:31:22
-When the referendum happened...	0:31:23	0:31:25
-..no-one mentioned -the different forms of Brexit.	0:31:25	0:31:29
-Everyone accepted -we would leave the Single Market.	0:31:29	0:31:32
-This is something new -you want to introduce.	0:31:32	0:31:35
-During the referendum, -there were different discussions...	0:31:36	0:31:39
-..between people -who wanted to leave Europe.	0:31:40	0:31:43
-They said we could be like Norway...	0:31:43	0:31:46
-..in the Single Market -but out of the EU.	0:31:46	0:31:49
-There was no agreement -on what Brexit would look like.	0:31:49	0:31:53
-There's still no agreement.	0:31:53	0:31:55
-Tim Farron has belittled the people -who voted Leave.	0:31:56	0:32:00
-How can the Lib Dems -justify another referendum...	0:32:00	0:32:05
-..after it said clearly -on the ballot paper...	0:32:05	0:32:08
-.."The Government -will implement your decision."	0:32:09	0:32:12
-How can you justify not following -the will of the people?	0:32:13	0:32:19
-It was a decision -to leave the European Union.	0:32:19	0:32:23
-There are two different scenarios.	0:32:24	0:32:26
-It's either Theresa May -and her cabinet or the people.	0:32:26	0:32:30
-Ultimately, we'll have to deal -and live with the result...	0:32:31	0:32:35
-..of Theresa May's decision to drag -Britain out of the Single Market.	0:32:35	0:32:40
-It will affect our universities, -our businesses...	0:32:40	0:32:44
-..young people's opportunities -to travel and work abroad.	0:32:44	0:32:48
-That's a decision.	0:32:49	0:32:51
-We want a referendum on the terms -of Brexit, not on Brexit itself.	0:32:51	0:32:55
-In this election, you pitch -yourselves as the pro-Remain party.	0:32:55	0:33:01
-48% of people -voted to stay in the EU.	0:33:01	0:33:04
-Why aren't they flocking -to support your party?	0:33:04	0:33:08
-It's a very interesting election.	0:33:08	0:33:11
-I think people are returning -to the extreme.	0:33:11	0:33:14
-We have seen a squeeze -on our vote...	0:33:15	0:33:17
-..but we're also the only party that -offers hope for a better future...	0:33:17	0:33:23
-..not just for Wales but for the UK.	0:33:23	0:33:26
-It's a vision for where we'll be -in 20, 30 years' time...	0:33:26	0:33:30
-..in the Single Market and the EU -or not.	0:33:30	0:33:33
-People don't buy that.	0:33:33	0:33:35
-I think they do.	0:33:35	0:33:37
-A lot of people have said they -don't want to leave the EU anymore.	0:33:37	0:33:41
-I want sufficient funding -for the NHS and schools...	0:33:41	0:33:45
-..opportunities -to travel abroad...	0:33:45	0:33:47
-..opportunities for people -to move to Britain to work.	0:33:47	0:33:51
-A lot of people have had enough -of this anti-immigrant rhetoric.	0:33:51	0:33:56
-We're offering an opposition -to that rhetoric.	0:33:56	0:34:00
-On to the second question -from Leah Williams.	0:34:00	0:34:03
-After forming a coalition government -with the Tories...	0:34:03	0:34:07
-..and with Labour in the Assembly...	0:34:07	0:34:10
-..have the Lib Dems -lost their identity?	0:34:10	0:34:13
-A lot of people think -we have lost our identity...	0:34:13	0:34:18
-..but I think it's important to work -together to secure Britain's future.	0:34:18	0:34:26
-There's no point saying -we're the Lib Dems...	0:34:26	0:34:30
-..and we don't work -with anyone else.	0:34:30	0:34:33
-Kirsty Williams is transforming -the Welsh education system...	0:34:33	0:34:37
-..in Cardiff Bay.	0:34:37	0:34:38
-In Westminster, the choice -was rescuing the economy...	0:34:39	0:34:44
-..or sitting with the opposition.	0:34:45	0:34:48
-At some point, -every political party...	0:34:48	0:34:51
-..must approach -a situation maturely.	0:34:52	0:34:54
-It must decide if it wants -to contribute to a solution...	0:34:55	0:34:59
-..and make an informed decision.	0:34:59	0:35:02
-You're saying the Lib Dems -rescued the economy.	0:35:02	0:35:05
-Over the past two years, -we've seen what the Tories...	0:35:05	0:35:09
-..would have done seven years ago if -they'd been in power on their own.	0:35:09	0:35:14
-Cameron said "I'd govern like a true -Tory if it wasn't for the Lib Dems".	0:35:15	0:35:19
-That's the effect we had -on the coalition.	0:35:19	0:35:22
-We ensured that there was -a common sense approach...	0:35:22	0:35:26
-..to reducing the deficit.	0:35:26	0:35:28
-Efa, you put your hand up.	0:35:28	0:35:30
-As a young woman living in Wales...	0:35:30	0:35:33
-..why should I believe -anything you say?	0:35:34	0:35:38
-When you formed a coalition -with the Tories...	0:35:38	0:35:42
-..there were huge promises -about university tuition fees.	0:35:42	0:35:47
-Why should people believe you now?	0:35:48	0:35:50
-We've acknowledged -that it was a huge mistake.	0:35:51	0:35:56
-We've apologised about it.	0:35:56	0:35:59
-During the last election campaign...	0:35:59	0:36:01
-..we published our plan -about funding further education...	0:36:02	0:36:06
-..and how we'd support students -in universities.	0:36:06	0:36:10
-We were very clear about that plan.	0:36:10	0:36:12
-Students will receive the National -Living Wage while studying...	0:36:13	0:36:17
-..and every student -would receive a grant...	0:36:17	0:36:20
-..to help with their living costs.	0:36:20	0:36:23
-We have apologised...	0:36:23	0:36:25
-..it was the wrong decision -and we've paid the price for it.	0:36:25	0:36:29
-What would you like to say?	0:36:30	0:36:32
-Something very different - -you're the Liberal Democrats...	0:36:32	0:36:36
-..but your leader, Tim Farron...	0:36:36	0:36:39
-..doesn't believe -in same-sex marriage.	0:36:39	0:36:42
-That's not true.	0:36:42	0:36:44
-The debate about Tim Farron's -religion has been unacceptable.	0:36:44	0:36:49
-He voted in favour -of same-sex marriage...	0:36:49	0:36:53
-..and he's been consistent -in voting for LGBT rights.	0:36:53	0:36:58
-As an LGBT man, -I think Tim Farron's actions...	0:36:59	0:37:02
-..are more important -than his ideology.	0:37:03	0:37:07
-Finally, Dewi has one more question -for the Lib Dems.	0:37:07	0:37:12
-With only one Welsh MP, -and nine in Britain...	0:37:12	0:37:15
-..are the Lib Dem's days numbered?	0:37:15	0:37:18
-No. We've seen a huge rise -in our membership.	0:37:18	0:37:22
-We have more members -than ever before...	0:37:22	0:37:25
-..who are willing to campaign -for our principles.	0:37:25	0:37:29
-People come up to us, -in their thousands...	0:37:29	0:37:32
-..and that's important to remember -when you look at our MPs.	0:37:32	0:37:36
-Liberalism is an organisation, -the party is an organisation.	0:37:36	0:37:41
-It's important to acknowledge...	0:37:41	0:37:43
-..that our principles are shared -by an increasing number of people.	0:37:44	0:37:48
-Rhys Taylor, thank you very much.	0:37:49	0:37:51
-After the break, -we'll hear from UKIP...	0:37:51	0:37:54
-..the final party -trying to win your votes.	0:37:55	0:37:57
-Nigel Farage -led the campaign to leave the EU.	0:37:58	0:38:01
-Why has he jumped ship and left -the Tories to sort out the mess?	0:38:02	0:38:06
-There's no mention of the -Welsh language in your manifesto.	0:38:07	0:38:10
-Do you support the language?	0:38:10	0:38:12
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-We're having an exciting night -of debate in Swansea...	0:38:19	0:38:23
-..and there's more to come.	0:38:24	0:38:26
-Before welcoming -the final politician...	0:38:26	0:38:30
-..here's Glesni's views on UKIP.	0:38:30	0:38:33
-2016 was the year of the party, -for the purple party.	0:38:36	0:38:40
-Almost a year ago, -52% of Britain's population...	0:38:41	0:38:44
-..voted for the fundamental -principle of UKIP's existence.	0:38:45	0:38:49
-Independence day!	0:38:49	0:38:50
-Yip, Brexit.	0:38:51	0:38:52
-We've got our country back.	0:38:53	0:38:54
-We've got our country back. - -There was widespread celebration.	0:38:54	0:38:56
-Nigel Farage -raised another pint of beer.	0:38:57	0:39:00
-After every party, -there's always a hangover.	0:39:01	0:39:06
-And the current state of the party -is causing a few headaches.	0:39:06	0:39:11
-Nigel left the building long ago...	0:39:14	0:39:16
-..leaving Paul Nuttall -by the jukebox listening to...	0:39:16	0:39:20
-# All By Myself #	0:39:20	0:39:23
-Their policies include -completing Brexit by 2019...	0:39:26	0:39:32
-..without paying a penny -to Europe...	0:39:33	0:39:35
-..and cutting net immigration -to zero within five years.	0:39:35	0:39:39
-They won seven seats -in the last election.	0:39:39	0:39:42
-After the Brexit celebrations, -has the purple party gone pop?	0:39:42	0:39:47
-Thanks for joining us, Ken. We'll -go straight to our first question.	0:40:01	0:40:06
-Tom.	0:40:06	0:40:07
-UKIP's main objective -was Britain leaving the EU.	0:40:08	0:40:12
-Theresa May has said -Brexit will happen.	0:40:12	0:40:15
-So why are you still in existence?	0:40:15	0:40:19
-It hasn't happened yet.	0:40:20	0:40:22
-We had the referendum, -we had the decision.	0:40:22	0:40:25
-There's about two years of work -still to do...	0:40:25	0:40:30
-..to continue the discussion -and secure a fair deal.	0:40:30	0:40:34
-We still have work to do.	0:40:34	0:40:37
-We have many policies -in our manifesto.	0:40:37	0:40:42
-Many are as crucial and ambitious -as Brexit.	0:40:42	0:40:46
-I want to keep -the United Kingdom united.	0:40:46	0:40:49
-I want a free United Kingdom...	0:40:50	0:40:53
-..without the shackles of Europe.	0:40:53	0:40:56
-Theresa May -has said that Brexit will happen.	0:40:56	0:40:59
-Yes, but remember this...	0:40:59	0:41:01
-..Theresa May was very quiet -until the referendum result...	0:41:01	0:41:06
-..but when the decision -had been made...	0:41:06	0:41:09
-..she said -she would carry it through.	0:41:09	0:41:12
-Was that intention in her heart -before the referendum?	0:41:12	0:41:17
-A question from Helen.	0:41:17	0:41:19
-What kind of Brexit -should we expect from Theresa May?	0:41:19	0:41:23
-All I can say is I hope it's -a fair Brexit, as fair as it can be.	0:41:23	0:41:29
-Fair for Wales and fair for -every member of the United Kingdom.	0:41:29	0:41:33
-Felix, do you think -it will be a fair Brexit?	0:41:33	0:41:36
-I think the whole thing -is a bit of a mess.	0:41:36	0:41:39
-Nigel Farage -led the campaign to leave the EU.	0:41:39	0:41:43
-Why has he jumped ship and left -the Tories to sort out the mess?	0:41:43	0:41:51
-I'll answer half the question -if I can first.	0:41:51	0:41:55
-Nigel Farage -was a very special leader.	0:41:55	0:41:58
-Hold on a minute.	0:41:58	0:42:00
-He had a lot of charisma.	0:42:01	0:42:03
-The media wanted him -on the TV and in the news.	0:42:03	0:42:08
-He didn't use the back-up -he had within the party.	0:42:08	0:42:13
-Is there a future for UKIP -without Nigel Farage?	0:42:14	0:42:17
-Of course there is.	0:42:17	0:42:19
-We wouldn't have published -these 12 policies...	0:42:19	0:42:23
-You've published policies but -that doesn't mean you have a future?	0:42:23	0:42:28
-Do you remember when they said -we only had one or two policies?	0:42:28	0:42:32
-We have a dozen policies.	0:42:33	0:42:35
-One of the most important policies -is democracy.	0:42:35	0:42:39
-We need a more democratic -electoral system.	0:42:39	0:42:43
-We had one MP, -but the SNP had 53, 54 MPs.	0:42:43	0:42:49
-56 MPs.	0:42:50	0:42:51
-We had far more votes than there -were people voting in Scotland.	0:42:51	0:42:58
-Is that fair? Is that democratic?	0:42:58	0:43:02
-Talking of policies, let's move on -to the second question.	0:43:02	0:43:08
-One of your main policies -is banning the burka.	0:43:08	0:43:11
-Isn't that unfair, doesn't it -prevent personal choice?	0:43:12	0:43:16
-I agree with you. -I'm very open religiously.	0:43:16	0:43:20
-Don't worry about religion.	0:43:20	0:43:26
-Doesn't this policy highlight...	0:43:26	0:43:29
-..your party's racist -and anti-Islamic views?	0:43:29	0:43:34
-No, we're not opposed at all.	0:43:34	0:43:36
-I respect every religion and every -man who visits his church or chapel.	0:43:36	0:43:41
-There are religions -beyond Christianity.	0:43:41	0:43:45
-In Britain, in the United Kingdom, -there are many different religions.	0:43:46	0:43:51
-We deal with it -in point number four.	0:43:51	0:43:54
-We want to safeguard British values. -That's been noted.	0:43:54	0:43:59
-That doesn't mean -we oppose other religions.	0:43:59	0:44:04
-We'll move on -to the third question from Luke.	0:44:04	0:44:08
-Over the years, UKIP has constantly -called for less immigration.	0:44:08	0:44:13
-Is immigration a problem in Wales?	0:44:13	0:44:16
-Well, with immigration...	0:44:16	0:44:18
-..it's important to realise -when the cup is too full.	0:44:18	0:44:22
-Yes, we need immigration.	0:44:23	0:44:25
-We need doctors and nurses -to work in our hospitals.	0:44:25	0:44:30
-I know well enough -that we need them here.	0:44:31	0:44:37
-To return to your policy, Ken...	0:44:37	0:44:40
-..you say you want to reduce -net migration to zero.	0:44:40	0:44:44
-How do you do that? This country -isn't a nightclub - one in, one out.	0:44:44	0:44:49
-As closely as we can.	0:44:49	0:44:52
-Consider this.	0:44:52	0:44:54
-As more immigrants arrive, we need -more schools, hospitals and houses.	0:44:54	0:45:01
-When this happens -and it pains me to say this...	0:45:01	0:45:05
-..local people say, -"Why are they given houses?	0:45:05	0:45:09
-"We've been waiting for housing -for five years?"	0:45:09	0:45:12
-Is that right?	0:45:12	0:45:14
-We'll move on to the final question -and that comes from Ffion.	0:45:15	0:45:20
-There's one word of Welsh -in your manifesto...	0:45:20	0:45:23
-..and it's on the cover - Cymru.	0:45:23	0:45:25
-There's no mention of the -Welsh language in your manifesto.	0:45:25	0:45:29
-Do you support the language?	0:45:30	0:45:32
-I'll tell you this.	0:45:32	0:45:33
-I'm as much of a Welshman, as -a member of the United Kingdom...	0:45:34	0:45:37
-..as any member of Plaid Cymru.	0:45:38	0:45:40
-There's one difference.	0:45:40	0:45:42
-I can see beyond Offa's Dyke...	0:45:42	0:45:44
-..from the north-east of Scotland -to the south-west of England.	0:45:44	0:45:48
-I can see beyond Wales.	0:45:48	0:45:50
-It's hard for me to say this...	0:45:51	0:45:53
-..but Plaid Cymru -have their heads in the sand.	0:45:53	0:45:57
-Do you think your AMs should speak -Welsh? None of them do.	0:45:57	0:46:02
-Yes, many of them can speak Welsh.	0:46:02	0:46:06
-They might not want to -speak Welsh publicly.	0:46:06	0:46:10
-Who can speak Welsh?	0:46:10	0:46:12
-Hamilton...	0:46:12	0:46:14
-Hamilton... - -He said he was too busy to learn.	0:46:14	0:46:16
-He can speak Welsh -but it's common Welsh.	0:46:16	0:46:21
-They're wary of speaking Welsh -on TV.	0:46:21	0:46:25
-Helen.	0:46:25	0:46:26
-Helen. - -Leanne Wood can't speak Welsh.	0:46:26	0:46:28
-And Daniel.	0:46:29	0:46:30
-And Daniel. - -Leanne Wood lives in Wales.	0:46:30	0:46:32
-Neil Hamilton doesn't.	0:46:33	0:46:34
-Neil Hamilton doesn't. - -Let me reply to that.	0:46:34	0:46:36
-Let me give you an answer.	0:46:37	0:46:39
-Let me give you an answer. - -He lives in Wiltshire.	0:46:39	0:46:40
-There's no need to speak Welsh -to be a Welshman.	0:46:41	0:46:44
-He can reach his constituency -quicker from his home...	0:46:44	0:46:49
-..than if he lived in Cardiff -and travelled along Welsh roads.	0:46:50	0:46:56
-There's no motorway -through the middle of Wales.	0:46:56	0:47:00
-We'll leave it there for tonight. -Thank you, Ken Rees.	0:47:00	0:47:03
-That's all for tonight -from Hacio'n Holi.	0:47:03	0:47:07
-I hope the debate has shone some -light on the party's main policies.	0:47:07	0:47:12
-I hope it's helped you decide before -the polling booths open on Thursday.	0:47:12	0:47:17
-Catch up with our on-line content -on Facebook and Twitter...	0:47:18	0:47:22
-..throughout the election.	0:47:22	0:47:24
-For tonight, -let me thank the politicians.	0:47:24	0:47:27
-Let me thank the audience -and thank you at home for watching.	0:47:28	0:47:32
-Goodnight.	0:47:32	0:47:34
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