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-Hello and welcome to Hacio.

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-Coming up,

-dreams of Bieber in tatters.

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-We look into a ticket company that

-has taken thousands of pounds...

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-..from customers online,

-only to leave them empty-handed.

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-We hung around

-for about an hour and a half...

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-..just hoping someone would turn up,

-but nobody did.

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-We were gutted. Devastated.

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-We hear from those

-who've lost out...

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-..and try to go after the company

-to get answers.

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-# What Do You Mean? #

-Justin Bieber

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-Justin Bieber.

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-The world-famous Canadian star

-is worth almost 160 million.

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-At 22 years old,

-he's on his third world tour...

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-..with

-hundreds of thousands of fans...

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-..eager

-to see the performer on stage.

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-Most of you will have used websites

-like Ticketmaster and Live Nation...

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-..to buy tickets

-for gigs and concerts.

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-A website called Ticket Selection

-came to our attention recently...

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-..after my brother, Rhys,

-and his friend, Jordan...

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-..bought two tickets

-to see Justin Bieber.

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-They're students at University

-of Wales Trinity Saint David...

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-..Carmarthen.

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-Jordan bought the tickets last year

-for the Birmingham gig in October.

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-I know that Jenks

-loves Justin Bieber.

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-I bought them

-from Ticket Selection...

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-..because it was sold out

-on Ticketmaster.

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-Everything was fine.

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-I received a confirmation email...

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-..saying that the tickets would be

-sent seven days before the event.

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-That was sound.

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-I didn't think they were scamming us

-at all.

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-It's fair to say

-they were looking forward to it!

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-We were buzzing.

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-We were buzzing.

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-Absolutely buzzing! Couldn't wait.

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-We texted each other about it every

-day in the week before the gig.

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-The cost of the two tickets

-was 210, with postage on top.

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-But a week before the gig,

-there was no sign of the tickets.

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-I phoned every day and sent one or

-two emails asking about the tickets.

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-I received an email

-on the morning of the gig...

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-..saying I had to pick them up

-in the evening.

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-On the morning of the gig,

-and the pair still in Carmarthen...

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-..they wanted to know

-how they'd get hold of the tickets.

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-On the email

-was the name and phone number...

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-..of a Ticket Selection

-representative - Joe.

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-We tried to phone him all day.

-Jordan emailed and phoned him.

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-We phoned but there was no reply.

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-We then thought we wouldn't be going

-so we decided to leave it.

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-But, just after 4.00pm...

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-..Jordan received a phone call

-from the mystery man...

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-..saying he'd be waiting for them

-in Birmingham with their tickets.

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-"I'll be there. I'll wait until

-9.00pm if you're going to be late."

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-It was 4.00pm then.

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-It was 4.00pm then.

-

-He was so late in letting us know.

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-I was on my way to town

-when Jordan phoned me.

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-He said he'd just spoken to this

-guy. "He's expecting us. Let's go."

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-I was obviously happy.

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-We drove all the way to Birmingham

-listening to Justin Bieber songs.

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-We were singing flat out,

-looking forward.

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-But Rhys

-still wasn't sure what to expect.

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-Jenks tried to play it down.

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-Jenks tried to play it down.

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-Jordan was absolutely buzzing!

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-He was jumping up and down.

-He was very happy.

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-I wasn't going to be happy until

-we had the tickets in our hands.

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-Rhys and Jordan weren't the

-only ones to use Ticket Selection.

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-I met a family from Rhos-on-Sea

-near Colwyn Bay...

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-..who bought Bieber tickets

-as a Christmas present last year.

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-We spent a good couple of hours from

-9.00am when Ticketmaster opened...

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-..then they were sold out.

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-Ticket Selection came up

-offering eight standing tickets...

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-..which is what we wanted.

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-I paid over 1,400 for them

-for me, three of my daughters...

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-..some of their friends

-and one of their mums.

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-As the day of the concert neared,

-there was no sign of the tickets...

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-..so the family tried everything

-to contact the company.

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-Mam sent loads and loads of emails.

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-About 40.

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-She phoned and phoned

-but there was no reply.

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-Three days before the gig,

-Debbie received an email.

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-I had an email...

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-..saying they'd sent an email

-to a different email address...

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-..but they'd corrected it

-and the tickets would arrive...

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-..either through Royal Mail

-or we'd pick them up on the day.

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-But on the day of the concert,

-no ticket arrived.

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-They then received another email

-from the company...

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-..offering something different.

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-On the day, they said they

-couldn't give us standing tickets...

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-..but they could offer hospitality

-and if that didn't suit, a refund.

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-Mam asked about hospitality

-but there was no reply...

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-..and then asked for a refund

-but no reply.

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-# Let me, oh, let me redeem,

-oh, redeem, oh, myself #

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-After Ticket Selection promised them

-that two tickets to see Bieber...

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-..would be waiting for them

-in Birmingham...

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-..Rhys and Jordan

-drove from Carmarthen full of hope.

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-# I'm missing more

-than just your body #

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-The guy told Jordan he was going

-to stay there all night...

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-..as he had a lot of tickets

-to drop off.

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-We were meant to meet in Ed's Diner.

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-We were meant to meet in Ed's Diner.

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-Yes.

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-But there was no sign of this guy,

-Joe, at all.

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-We asked the security guard who was

-standing outside Ed's Diner...

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-..if he knew a guy called Joe

-or about Ticket Selection.

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-He shook his head...

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-..and said we were the third

-or fourth group of people...

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-..to ask him about Ticket Selection.

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-He said, "It's not looking good."

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-So we knew then

-that things didn't look good for us.

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-There was no option

-but to drive all the way home...

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-..having not seen or heard

-Justin Bieber.

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-It makes me angry.

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-Luck... Well, I say lucky - Jordan

-had only bought two tickets.

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-I'm sure a lot of families

-would've bought four or five...

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-..and lost money,

-so they're more unfortunate.

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-Debbie was one of those who'd bought

-a lot of tickets for her daughters.

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-But again, when the big day came,

-no tickets arrived.

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-I was cross to begin with...

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-..but then seeing my kids so upset,

-it was heartbreaking.

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-They were sobbing, especially

-Georgia. She was inconsolable.

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-Georgia is 15 years old and has been

-a Justin Bieber fan from the start.

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-How much of a Justin Bieber fan

-are you?

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-I'm obsessed with him. I was

-really excited about seeing him.

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-How did you feel when it looked like

-the tickets weren't going to arrive?

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-I was so gutted.

-I was crying every day.

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-The Christmas present

-had cost 1,400...

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-..and had upset the whole family.

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-The amount of stress and worry

-and tears it caused me...

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-..because the money, yes,

-but the upset on your girls' faces.

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-It upset me...

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-..because you were upset.

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-But Debbie wasn't going to let the

-company crush her daughters' hopes.

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-At short notice, she managed to get

-her hands on another eight tickets.

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-Even though we saw Justin Bieber,

-we're still upset...

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-..that a company got Mam's money

-without replying to us.

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-Ticket Selection

-have a Facebook page.

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-Scrolling through it,

-we saw many comments...

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-..from people

-complaining about the company.

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-We've spoken

-to a lot of those people.

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-They complained about things like

-a lack of communication...

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-..unanswered emails and phone calls

-and no way of getting answers.

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-Some also complained about emails

-sent on the day of a concert...

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-..changing the type of ticket...

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-..and company representatives...

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-..promising to meet up to deliver

-tickets but not turning up.

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-As we kept an eye on the Facebook

-page during our investigation...

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-..we noticed that any negative

-comments were swiftly deleted.

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-So we decided to put

-Ticket Selection to the test...

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-..and buy our own tickets

-from the website.

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-I've just bought two tickets to go

-to see Justin Bieber in London.

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-It's cost me 250...

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-..including almost 10 postage.

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-We'll see

-if the tickets arrive at all.

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-Join us after the break

-to see if I had any luck...

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-..and to see our efforts in locating

-the company and finding answers.

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-The website Ticket Selection

-describes itself...

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-https://www.ticket-selection.com/

-https://www.ticket-selection.com/services

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-..as an online ticket broker

-which sells tickets...

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-..for all kinds of events

-and concerts.

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-After hearing several complaints

-about the company...

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-..we put them to the test.

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-We bought tickets for a Justin

-Bieber concert at The O2 in London.

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-https://twitter.com/justinbieber

-http://www.theo2.co.uk/

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-A week before the gig, I received

-an email confirming my purchase.

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-It said "Your tickets will be

-dispatched as soon as possible."

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-"We advise customers...

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-"..that tickets are posted

-7-10 days before the event.

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-.."However, in some rare cases,

-they may not be posted...

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-.."until the day before the event."

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-"If you are required to collect

-tickets from the venue...

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-.."you will be advised

-by email prior to the event."

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-"Please do not contact us

-regarding delivery...

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-.."unless you have not received the

-tickets within 2 days of the event."

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-Before my tickets arrived...

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-..Ticket Selection

-took more than expected from me.

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-Two tickets cost 250.

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-The cost including administration

-and delivery charges was 259.95.

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-For some reason, the company took

-270.87 from my bank account.

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-During the week

-leading up to the concert...

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-..I heard nothing

-from the company...

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-..and called the number

-on their website several times.

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-The same voice answered every time.

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-"Hello, thank you for calling

-Ticket Selection."

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-"Due to a high volume of calls

-please email us on...

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-.."[email protected]

-for a quick response. Thank you."

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-With mere days before the concert...

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-..I emailed the company

-asking where my tickets were.

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-Once again, there was no response.

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-On the morning of the gig, I started

-my way to London without a ticket.

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-I emailed again.

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-During the journey,

-the company replied to my email.

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-We're on our way to London

-for the Justin Bieber concert.

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-I've just received an email

-from Ticket Selection.

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-It's the first time they've been in

-touch since I bought the tickets.

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-They say the tickets

-are available to be collected.

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-They can either bring them

-to our hotel...

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-..or we can go to an address

-to collect them.

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-The Islington address was around

-30 minutes away from The O2...

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-..where the concert was being held.

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-I've just reached

-Islington in London.

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-It's just after 5.00pm.

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-As the email mentioned...

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-..the tickets are waiting for me

-in a post office box.

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-We're going to that place now to see

-if there are any tickets there.

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-Hi, I've come to collect

-Justin Bieber tickets for tonight.

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-Ticket Selection. Are you guys

-anything to do with them at all?

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-According to the woman

-behind the counter...

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-..they had nothing to do with

-the company who sell the tickets.

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-There we go, I've got the tickets.

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-AEG Live presents Justin Bieber

-Purpose World Tour.

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-They look alright to me.

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-Many people haven't received

-their tickets. I'm lucky.

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-After receiving the tickets...

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-..I headed straight for The O2

-to join the rest of the Beliebers.

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-http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Belieber

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-Here I am outside The O2 in London

-with two tickets in my hand.

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-After looking

-at the tickets again...

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-..I can see that the original price

-of the tickets was 55 each.

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-I paid 270 for the pair.

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-I still don't know

-if they'll work or not.

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-There's only one thing to do -

-head in and see what happens.

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-Many websites sell tickets for more

-than face value. That isn't illegal.

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-There we are. I have arrived

-and this ticket has worked.

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-Not everyone

-has been as lucky as me.

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-Jordan and Rhys didn't receive

-their tickets to see Justin Bieber.

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-Two months later, Jordan is still

-waiting for an explanation.

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-I sent an email again, one or two

-emails to say we're angry...

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-..because we didn't

-receive the tickets.

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-We tried to phone

-this guy "Joe" again.

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-The phone is off.

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-They haven't replied to any email

-or called back.

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-I'm just angry about that.

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-After buying eight tickets...

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-..for her children and their

-friends to see Justin Bieber...

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-..there's no sign

-of the 1,400 Debbie spent.

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-Christmas morning when you all

-opened your presents...

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-..I kept them 'til last, didn't I?

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-You were all so excited

-and then nothing.

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-I spent over 1,400

-and I've got nothing to show for it.

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-How many times

-have you tried contacting them?

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-Asking when I was going

-to get my money back.

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-I had to buy more tickets

-for my daughters...

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-..because they were so disappointed.

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-They don't answer their phones,

-they've got an automated phone line.

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-You're lucky

-if you get an email back.

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-What can people do

-to avoid this kind of situation?

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-Alun Thomas from the

-Citizens Advice Bureau...

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-https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/wales/

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-..says the most reliable companies

-are members of STAR...

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-http://www.star.org.uk/

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-..or Society of Ticket Agents

-and Retailers.

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-They work with the government

-to help the industry and public.

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-A lot of the companies

-are members of STAR.

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-That means if something goes wrong,

-STAR can look into the complaint...

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-..and make a decision

-and you may get money back.

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-He encourages customers to be

-careful when buying tickets online.

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-And to ensure that the company

-selling tickets is reputable.

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-I would suggest

-that people do some research...

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-..which is easy enough

-to do on the Internet these days.

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-Google the company.

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-See if there is a forum.

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-It's important

-even before you buy tickets...

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-..it's important

-to look into the company.

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-Look at the website

-to see if there's an address...

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-..or if there is

-a UK-based phone number.

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-Many of the less

-reputable companies...

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-..have their headquarters

-in foreign countries.

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-That's exactly what we discovered.

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-Even though I received

-my Justin Bieber tickets...

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-..I wanted answers for the other

-people who hadn't been as lucky.

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-Getting hold of the company

-was a headache.

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-Even though the website

-is called Ticket Selection...

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-..the company who took the money out

-of Jordan and Debbie's accounts...

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-..was Theatre Ticket Finder Ltd.

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-https://companycheck.co.uk/company/07723763/THEATRE-TICKET-FINDER-LTD/companies-house-data

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-After some research...

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-..I found that the company is

-registered to an address in Surrey.

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-Ticket Selection's address is in

-Spain according to their website.

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-We tried to contact

-Theatre Ticket Finder Ltd...

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-..for a response to our complaints

-- but to no avail.

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-I went to the address in Surrey

-hoping to get a response...

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-..from the company director,

-Kerrie Hunt.

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-https://companycheck.co.uk/director/919190887/MS-KERRIE-HUNT/summary

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-We're looking for a Kerrie Hunt,

-do you have any idea where...

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-My name is Sion Jenkins,

-I'm a journalist.

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-We want to know

-why Ticket Selection...

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-..Theatre Ticket Finder Ltd have

-been promising people tickets...

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-..but not giving them tickets...

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-..and not giving those people

-refunds either...

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-..when those people

-asked for refunds.

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-You have no ides whatsoever?

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-Why is the company registered here

-but you know nothing else?

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-It then became clear

-that this is an accountant's office.

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-We weren't the first people

-to land there...

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-..asking about

-Theatre Ticket Finder Ltd.

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-The police and other customers

-had been in touch to ask questions.

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-We've had some complaints about not

-receiving tickets they've paid for.

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-Have you got anything

-to say about that at all?

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-Is there anything you can say?

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-Which is...

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-So the company

-has been sold, you say.

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-By?

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-I'm just trying

-to get the facts that's all.

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-I've just been to the address

-of the place...

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-..where Theatre Ticket Finder Ltd

-is registered.

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-According to the people in there...

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-..the company

-is nothing to do with them.

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-They don't know the directors and

-don't have contact details for them.

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-Later that day,

-after we returned to Cardiff...

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-..Ticket Selection's website

-was down.

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-We received an email from them

-responding to some of our questions.

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-Theatre Ticket Finder Ltd no longer

-own this domain or website...

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-..so we are unable

-to comment for that company.

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-"We would not comment

-on individual cases...

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-.."but would encourage anyone

-who has not received tickets...

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-.."to contact us so we can resolve."

0:20:040:20:06

-"I hope this info

-helps your investigation."

0:20:060:20:09

-"Kind regards, Ticketselection.com"

0:20:090:20:11

-So we responded by asking which

-company now runs the website...

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-..when Theatre Ticket Finder Ltd's

-ownership came to an end...

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-..and for direct contact details

-for Theatre Ticket Finder Ltd.

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-They told me that a Spanish company,

-442 Events SL, now owns the website.

-

-https://www.ticket-selection.com/contact-us/

0:20:250:20:31

-A company called 442 UK Events Ltd

-took the money from my account.

-

-https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/10015054/officers

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-The two companies have the same

-director, Francis James Strutt.

-

-https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/officers/SlDU8HiAj7uNLqcU1cnl-4-suVY/appointments

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-442 UK Events Ltd

-is registered to this address too.

0:20:460:20:50

-It's the same building

-as Theatre Ticket Finder Ltd.

0:20:500:20:56

-In their final email

-to us this week...

0:20:570:20:59

-..they said they'd contact

-Jordan and Debbie...

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-..and give them a refund

-if that was appropriate.

0:21:030:21:06

-The person responding on behalf of

-Ticket Selection finished with...

0:21:060:21:10

-"I look forward

-to seeing your programme."

0:21:100:21:13

-"You shall hear from our solicitor

-if there is anything you have...

0:21:130:21:16

-.."by chance made up."

0:21:170:21:18

-"Have a nice day and good luck

-with all that you do."

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-In Westminster, there's an

-All-Party Group on Ticket Abuse.

-

-http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm/cmallparty/register/ticket-abuse.htm

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-The MP for Rhondda, Chris Bryant,

-is a member.

-

-http://www.parliament.uk/biographies/commons/chris-bryant/1446

0:21:250:21:28

-He's calling for stricter laws...

0:21:280:21:30

-..to ensure that ticket companies

-sell responsibly and fairly.

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-I'd like to change

-the government's mind on this...

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-..so we get rid of the old,

-frankly dodgy, parasitical system...

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-..of ticket touting

-in this country...

0:21:420:21:45

-..which has just discovered

-a new way of doing it...

0:21:450:21:48

-..thanks to digital media today.

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-After hearing our evidence,

-he feels a European law is needed...

0:21:510:21:55

-..to tackle companies like Ticket

-Selection who register abroad.

0:21:560:22:00

-As I understand it,

-the company is based in Spain.

0:22:000:22:03

-You do start to wonder why you'd be

-selling tickets from Spain...

0:22:030:22:07

-..for an event

-that's actually in Birmingham.

0:22:070:22:10

-Unless you're trying to escape

-the long arm of the law.

0:22:100:22:13

-I hope all the

-different authorities...

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-..responsible for making sure

-businesses sell tickets...

0:22:160:22:19

-..at a fair price in a fair way...

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-..are looking at the incidents

-that you've already unveiled.

0:22:210:22:25

-It seems Ticket Selection's

-troubles continue.

0:22:260:22:29

-This week, there were further

-complaints online.

0:22:290:22:32

-They were from people

-who didn't receive tickets...

0:22:320:22:35

-..to see Skepta

-and Red Hot Chili Peppers.

-

-https://twitter.com/Skepta

-https://twitter.com/ChiliPeppers

0:22:350:22:38

-So far, neither Debbie and her

-family or Rhys and Jordan...

0:22:380:22:42

-..have received a refund or an

-explanation from Ticket Selection.

0:22:420:22:46

-It's disgusting.

0:22:460:22:47

-It needs to be out there

-so people know not to buy from them.

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-I don't want the same

-as what happened to us. It's cruel.

0:22:510:22:54

-They were the kids'

-Christmas presents.

0:22:540:22:56

-They're clearly

-the kind of company...

0:22:570:22:59

-..who don't care

-about anyone but themselves.

0:22:590:23:02

-If there's money in their pocket,

-they're happy.

0:23:020:23:06

-That's it for tonight on Hacio.

0:23:070:23:09

-Next week, Glesni looks at

-some people's obsession...

0:23:090:23:12

-..with video and computer games.

0:23:120:23:14

-She meets those

-who live in a fantasy world.

0:23:150:23:18

-I run the show. I play them.

-I'm a part of the story.

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-I think games are very special.

0:23:220:23:24

-We return to the European Survey,

-Generation Beth?

0:23:260:23:29

-We look at the attitudes of Wales'

-young people toward homosexuality...

0:23:300:23:34

-..gender equality

-and living without a mobile.

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