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Hardtalkmed Welcome to Hardtalk. Kenya is the | 0:00:13 | 0:00:14 | |
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Welcome to Hardtalk. Kenya is the first country to have | 0:00:14 | 0:00:15 | |
Welcome to Hardtalk. Kenya is the first country to have a sitting | 0:00:15 | 0:00:15 | |
first country to have a sitting president | 0:00:15 | 0:00:16 | |
first country to have a sitting president and | 0:00:16 | 0:00:16 | |
first country to have a sitting president and Vice—President | 0:00:16 | 0:00:16 | |
first country to have a sitting president and Vice—President tried | 0:00:16 | 0:00:17 | |
president and Vice—President tried on | 0:00:17 | 0:00:17 | |
president and Vice—President tried on charges of | 0:00:17 | 0:00:19 | |
president and Vice—President tried humanity | 0:00:19 | 0:00:20 | |
president and Vice—President tried humanity at | 0:00:20 | 0:00:20 | |
president and Vice—President tried humanity at the | 0:00:20 | 0:00:20 | |
on charges of crimes against humanity at the | 0:00:20 | 0:00:20 | |
on charges of crimes against Criminal | 0:00:20 | 0:00:21 | |
humanity at the International Criminal | 0:00:21 | 0:00:21 | |
humanity at the International Criminal Court in The | 0:00:21 | 0:00:22 | |
humanity at the International Criminal Court in The Hague. They | 0:00:22 | 0:00:23 | |
Criminal Court in The Hague. They | 0:00:23 | 0:00:24 | |
Criminal Court in The Hague. They were accused | 0:00:24 | 0:00:25 | |
Criminal Court in The Hague. They were accused of orchestrating | 0:00:25 | 0:00:25 | |
Criminal Court in The Hague. They were accused of orchestrating ethnic | 0:00:25 | 0:00:26 | |
were accused of orchestrating ethnic | 0:00:26 | 0:00:26 | |
were accused of orchestrating ethnic based violence | 0:00:26 | 0:00:27 | |
were accused of orchestrating ethnic based violence in | 0:00:27 | 0:00:27 | |
were accused of orchestrating ethnic based violence in 2007 | 0:00:27 | 0:00:28 | |
were accused of orchestrating ethnic based violence in 2007 in | 0:00:28 | 0:00:28 | |
were accused of orchestrating ethnic based violence in 2007 in which | 0:00:28 | 0:00:29 | |
were accused of orchestrating ethnic based violence in 2007 in which 1200 | 0:00:29 | 0:00:29 | |
were accused of orchestrating ethnic were | 0:00:29 | 0:00:29 | |
based violence in 2007 in which 1200 were | 0:00:29 | 0:00:31 | |
based violence in 2007 in which 1200 were killed and 600,000 | 0:00:31 | 0:00:31 | |
based violence in 2007 in which 1200 were killed and 600,000 forced | 0:00:31 | 0:00:31 | |
based violence in 2007 in which 1200 were killed and 600,000 forced to | 0:00:31 | 0:00:32 | |
were killed and 600,000 forced to flee | 0:00:32 | 0:00:35 | |
were killed and 600,000 forced to flee their homes. They say they | 0:00:35 | 0:00:38 | |
flee their homes. They say they are flee their homes. They say they | 0:00:38 | 0:00:38 | |
flee their homes. They say they are not guilty. | 0:00:38 | 0:00:39 | |
flee their homes. They say they are Kenya | 0:00:39 | 0:00:39 | |
flee their homes. They say they are Kenya is | 0:00:39 | 0:00:39 | |
not guilty. Kenya is | 0:00:39 | 0:00:39 | |
not guilty. Kenya is threatening to | 0:00:39 | 0:00:40 | |
not guilty. Kenya is threatening to withdraw | 0:00:40 | 0:00:40 | |
Kenya is threatening to withdraw from | 0:00:40 | 0:00:41 | |
Kenya is threatening to withdraw from the ICC, | 0:00:41 | 0:00:42 | |
Kenya is threatening to withdraw from the ICC, but how much | 0:00:42 | 0:00:42 | |
Kenya is threatening to withdraw from the ICC, but how much damage | 0:00:42 | 0:00:43 | |
from the ICC, but how much damage would | 0:00:43 | 0:00:43 | |
from the ICC, but how much damage would that do to | 0:00:43 | 0:00:44 | |
from the ICC, but how much damage would that do to its international | 0:00:44 | 0:00:54 | |
would that do to its international | 0:00:54 | 0:00:58 | |
Welcome. Thank you very | 0:01:14 | 0:01:14 | |
Welcome. Thank you very much. | 0:01:14 | 0:01:18 | |
Do you believe that the president and | 0:01:18 | 0:01:19 | |
Do you believe that the president and the | 0:01:19 | 0:01:20 | |
Do you believe that the president and the the Vice | 0:01:20 | 0:01:22 | |
and the the Vice President of Kenya and the the Vice | 0:01:22 | 0:01:22 | |
and the the Vice President of Kenya should be standing trial at the | 0:01:22 | 0:01:29 | |
No. Why not? They are not guilty. should be standing trial at the | 0:01:29 | 0:01:29 | |
No. Why not? They are not guilty. And you | 0:01:29 | 0:01:30 | |
No. Why not? They are not guilty. And you have decided | 0:01:30 | 0:01:30 | |
No. Why not? They are not guilty. And you have decided that | 0:01:30 | 0:01:30 | |
No. Why not? They are not guilty. And you have decided that before | 0:01:30 | 0:01:31 | |
And you have decided that before | 0:01:31 | 0:01:32 | |
And you have decided that before they have stood trial? Well, I | 0:01:32 | 0:01:32 | |
And you have decided that before they have stood trial? Well, I have | 0:01:32 | 0:01:33 | |
they have stood trial? Well, I have decided | 0:01:33 | 0:01:33 | |
they have stood trial? Well, I have decided that | 0:01:33 | 0:01:33 | |
they have stood trial? Well, I have decided that because | 0:01:33 | 0:01:33 | |
they have stood trial? Well, I have decided that because the | 0:01:33 | 0:01:33 | |
they have stood trial? Well, I have decided that because the part | 0:01:33 | 0:01:34 | |
they have stood trial? Well, I have decided that because the part of | 0:01:34 | 0:01:34 | |
decided that because the part of | 0:01:34 | 0:01:35 | |
decided that because the part of evidence that has been | 0:01:35 | 0:01:36 | |
decided that because the part of evidence that has been used in | 0:01:36 | 0:01:36 | |
decided that because the part of evidence that has been used in the | 0:01:36 | 0:01:37 | |
evidence that has been used in the Kenyan | 0:01:37 | 0:01:37 | |
evidence that has been used in the Kenyan cases is | 0:01:37 | 0:01:38 | |
evidence that has been used in the Kenyan cases is the | 0:01:38 | 0:01:38 | |
evidence that has been used in the Kenyan cases is the same | 0:01:38 | 0:01:38 | |
evidence that has been used in the Kenyan cases is the same for | 0:01:38 | 0:01:39 | |
evidence that has been used in the Kenyan cases is the same for the | 0:01:39 | 0:01:39 | |
evidence that has been used in the Kenyan cases is the same for the six | 0:01:39 | 0:01:40 | |
Kenyan cases is the same for the six suspects | 0:01:40 | 0:01:41 | |
Kenyan cases is the same for the six suspects that were | 0:01:41 | 0:01:41 | |
Kenyan cases is the same for the six suspects that were before | 0:01:41 | 0:01:42 | |
Kenyan cases is the same for the six suspects that were before the | 0:01:42 | 0:01:42 | |
Kenyan cases is the same for the six suspects that were before the court | 0:01:42 | 0:01:42 | |
suspects that were before the court in | 0:01:42 | 0:01:43 | |
suspects that were before the court in the | 0:01:43 | 0:01:44 | |
suspects that were before the court in the beginning. Three | 0:01:44 | 0:01:44 | |
suspects that were before the court in the beginning. Three of them | 0:01:44 | 0:01:45 | |
suspects that were before the court been | 0:01:45 | 0:01:45 | |
in the beginning. Three of them has been | 0:01:45 | 0:01:46 | |
in the beginning. Three of them has been dismissed. Three | 0:01:46 | 0:01:46 | |
in the beginning. Three of them has been dismissed. Three of | 0:01:46 | 0:01:46 | |
in the beginning. Three of them has been dismissed. Three of the | 0:01:46 | 0:01:46 | |
in the beginning. Three of them has been dismissed. Three of the cases | 0:01:46 | 0:01:47 | |
been dismissed. Three of the cases have | 0:01:47 | 0:01:48 | |
been dismissed. Three of the cases have been dismissed. There | 0:01:48 | 0:01:48 | |
been dismissed. Three of the cases have been dismissed. There is | 0:01:48 | 0:01:49 | |
been dismissed. Three of the cases nothing | 0:01:49 | 0:01:49 | |
have been dismissed. There is nothing | 0:01:49 | 0:01:50 | |
have been dismissed. There is nothing additional that happened | 0:01:50 | 0:01:50 | |
nothing additional that happened | 0:01:50 | 0:01:51 | |
nothing additional that happened that could have | 0:01:51 | 0:01:51 | |
nothing additional that happened that could have led | 0:01:51 | 0:01:51 | |
nothing additional that happened that could have led to | 0:01:51 | 0:01:52 | |
nothing additional that happened that could have led to the | 0:01:52 | 0:01:52 | |
that could have led to the | 0:01:52 | 0:01:52 | |
that could have led to the president, the | 0:01:52 | 0:01:53 | |
that could have led to the president, the and | 0:01:53 | 0:01:53 | |
that could have led to the president, the and the | 0:01:53 | 0:01:54 | |
president, the and the deputy president, the and the | 0:01:54 | 0:01:55 | |
president, the and the deputy president being | 0:01:55 | 0:01:55 | |
president, the and the deputy president being in | 0:01:55 | 0:01:56 | |
president, the and the deputy president being in court today. | 0:01:56 | 0:01:57 | |
president, the and the deputy president being in court today. And | 0:01:57 | 0:01:57 | |
president being in court today. And we | 0:01:57 | 0:01:57 | |
president being in court today. And we have | 0:01:57 | 0:01:58 | |
president being in court today. And we have a | 0:01:58 | 0:01:58 | |
president being in court today. And we have a radio | 0:01:58 | 0:01:59 | |
president being in court today. And we have a radio presenter | 0:01:59 | 0:01:59 | |
president being in court today. And we have a radio presenter also | 0:01:59 | 0:01:59 | |
we have a radio presenter also | 0:01:59 | 0:01:59 | |
we have a radio presenter also standing trial. | 0:01:59 | 0:02:01 | |
we have a radio presenter also standing trial. The three | 0:02:01 | 0:02:01 | |
we have a radio presenter also standing trial. The three that | 0:02:01 | 0:02:02 | |
we have a radio presenter also standing trial. The three that are | 0:02:02 | 0:02:02 | |
standing trial. The three that are left. | 0:02:02 | 0:02:03 | |
standing trial. The three that are The | 0:02:03 | 0:02:04 | |
standing trial. The three that are The it | 0:02:04 | 0:02:04 | |
left. The it | 0:02:04 | 0:02:06 | |
left. The it chief | 0:02:06 | 0:02:08 | |
left. The it chief prosecutor of | 0:02:08 | 0:02:09 | |
left. The it chief prosecutor of the | 0:02:09 | 0:02:09 | |
The it chief prosecutor of the International | 0:02:09 | 0:02:09 | |
The it chief prosecutor of the International Criminal | 0:02:09 | 0:02:09 | |
The it chief prosecutor of the International Criminal Court | 0:02:09 | 0:02:11 | |
The it chief prosecutor of the International Criminal Court says | 0:02:11 | 0:02:13 | |
The it chief prosecutor of the International Criminal Court says of | 0:02:13 | 0:02:14 | |
International Criminal Court says of William | 0:02:14 | 0:02:14 | |
International Criminal Court says of William Rooto, | 0:02:14 | 0:02:15 | |
International Criminal Court says of William Rooto, he | 0:02:15 | 0:02:15 | |
International Criminal Court says of William Rooto, he is | 0:02:15 | 0:02:16 | |
International Criminal Court says of William Rooto, he is a | 0:02:16 | 0:02:17 | |
International Criminal Court says of William Rooto, he is a power | 0:02:17 | 0:02:18 | |
William Rooto, he is a power | 0:02:18 | 0:02:19 | |
William Rooto, he is a power powerful politician | 0:02:19 | 0:02:20 | |
William Rooto, he is a power powerful politician who planned | 0:02:20 | 0:02:20 | |
William Rooto, he is a power powerful politician who planned the | 0:02:20 | 0:02:21 | |
William Rooto, he is a power crimes | 0:02:21 | 0:02:21 | |
William Rooto, he is a power crimes to | 0:02:21 | 0:02:24 | |
powerful politician who planned the crimes to | 0:02:24 | 0:02:24 | |
powerful politician who planned the crimes to satisfy his power. | 0:02:24 | 0:02:26 | |
powerful politician who planned the crimes to satisfy his power. When | 0:02:26 | 0:02:26 | |
powerful politician who planned the crimes to satisfy his power. When he | 0:02:26 | 0:02:26 | |
crimes to satisfy his power. When he lost | 0:02:26 | 0:02:26 | |
crimes to satisfy his power. When he lost the election | 0:02:26 | 0:02:27 | |
crimes to satisfy his power. When he lost the election he | 0:02:27 | 0:02:28 | |
crimes to satisfy his power. When he lost the election he gave the order | 0:02:28 | 0:02:28 | |
lost the election he gave the order | 0:02:28 | 0:02:30 | |
lost the election he gave the order to attack. That's categorical? | 0:02:30 | 0:02:32 | |
lost the election he gave the order to attack. That's categorical? Well, | 0:02:32 | 0:02:32 | |
to attack. That's categorical? Well, he | 0:02:32 | 0:02:32 | |
to attack. That's categorical? Well, he was | 0:02:32 | 0:02:33 | |
to attack. That's categorical? Well, he was not | 0:02:33 | 0:02:33 | |
to attack. That's categorical? Well, he was not standing | 0:02:33 | 0:02:33 | |
to attack. That's categorical? Well, he was not standing for | 0:02:33 | 0:02:34 | |
to attack. That's categorical? Well, he was not standing for president | 0:02:34 | 0:02:34 | |
to attack. That's categorical? Well, he was not standing for president of | 0:02:34 | 0:02:34 | |
he was not standing for president of the | 0:02:34 | 0:02:34 | |
he was not standing for president of the republic. | 0:02:34 | 0:02:36 | |
the republic. | 0:02:36 | 0:02:37 | |
the republic. He was | 0:02:37 | 0:02:37 | |
the republic. He was contesting | 0:02:37 | 0:02:37 | |
the republic. He was contesting elections | 0:02:37 | 0:02:38 | |
the republic. He was contesting elections in | 0:02:38 | 0:02:39 | |
He was contesting elections in 2007. He was contesting elections in | 0:02:39 | 0:02:39 | |
He was contesting elections in 2007. As a | 0:02:39 | 0:02:39 | |
He was contesting elections in 2007. As a member | 0:02:39 | 0:02:40 | |
He was contesting elections in 2007. As a member of | 0:02:40 | 0:02:41 | |
He was contesting elections in 2007. As a member of Parliament and he | 0:02:41 | 0:02:41 | |
As a member of Parliament and he | 0:02:41 | 0:02:42 | |
As a member of Parliament and he will win | 0:02:42 | 0:02:42 | |
As a member of Parliament and he will win that | 0:02:42 | 0:02:42 | |
As a member of Parliament and he will win that any | 0:02:42 | 0:02:43 | |
As a member of Parliament and he will win that any time | 0:02:43 | 0:02:43 | |
As a member of Parliament and he will win that any time of | 0:02:43 | 0:02:43 | |
As a member of Parliament and he will win that any time of the | 0:02:43 | 0:02:43 | |
As a member of Parliament and he will win that any time of the day | 0:02:43 | 0:02:44 | |
will win that any time of the day | 0:02:44 | 0:02:45 | |
will win that any time of the day because he is a | 0:02:45 | 0:02:46 | |
will win that any time of the day because he is a popular politician. | 0:02:46 | 0:02:47 | |
because he is a popular politician. | 0:02:47 | 0:02:48 | |
because he is a popular politician. I wasn't asking whether he was | 0:02:48 | 0:02:49 | |
because he is a popular politician. I wasn't asking whether he was going | 0:02:49 | 0:02:49 | |
I wasn't asking whether he was going | 0:02:49 | 0:02:49 | |
I wasn't asking whether he was going to win the | 0:02:49 | 0:02:49 | |
I wasn't asking whether he was going to win the election? | 0:02:49 | 0:02:51 | |
I wasn't asking whether he was going to win the election? He didn't | 0:02:51 | 0:02:51 | |
I wasn't asking whether he was going to win the election? He didn't lose | 0:02:51 | 0:02:52 | |
to win the election? He didn't lose | 0:02:52 | 0:02:52 | |
to win the election? He didn't lose the elections. He | 0:02:52 | 0:02:53 | |
to win the election? He didn't lose the elections. He didn't | 0:02:53 | 0:02:53 | |
to win the election? He didn't lose the elections. He didn't lose the | 0:02:53 | 0:02:53 | |
the elections. He didn't lose the | 0:02:53 | 0:02:55 | |
the elections. He didn't lose the No | 0:02:55 | 0:02:55 | |
elections. No | 0:02:55 | 0:02:56 | |
elections. No he was | 0:02:56 | 0:02:56 | |
elections. No he was I | 0:02:56 | 0:03:01 | |
elections. No he was I can back backing —— | 0:03:01 | 0:03:01 | |
elections. No he was I can back backing —— no, | 0:03:01 | 0:03:01 | |
elections. he | 0:03:01 | 0:03:02 | |
elections. he was | 0:03:02 | 0:03:03 | |
he was backing someone else at the time. He | 0:03:03 | 0:03:05 | |
he was backing someone else at the time. He gave the order to attack? | 0:03:05 | 0:03:07 | |
time. He gave the order to attack? He | 0:03:07 | 0:03:09 | |
time. He gave the order to attack? prosecution says. That's | 0:03:09 | 0:03:09 | |
time. He gave the order to attack? prosecution says. That's what | 0:03:09 | 0:03:10 | |
He didn't. That's what the prosecution says. That's what the | 0:03:10 | 0:03:11 | |
prosecution says. That's what the prosecution says, but I | 0:03:11 | 0:03:14 | |
prosecution says, but I will tell you, from | 0:03:14 | 0:03:15 | |
prosecution says, but I will tell you, from 2008, to | 0:03:15 | 0:03:16 | |
prosecution says, but I will tell you, from 2008, to date, | 0:03:16 | 0:03:17 | |
prosecution says, but I will tell you, from 2008, to date, William has | 0:03:17 | 0:03:17 | |
you, from 2008, to date, William has | 0:03:17 | 0:03:21 | |
you, from 2008, to date, William has been on a campaign of reconciling | 0:03:21 | 0:03:22 | |
been on a campaign of reconciling | 0:03:22 | 0:03:22 | |
been on a campaign of reconciling the different | 0:03:22 | 0:03:23 | |
been on a campaign of reconciling the different Kenyan | 0:03:23 | 0:03:23 | |
been on a campaign of reconciling the different Kenyan ethnic | 0:03:23 | 0:03:23 | |
been on a campaign of reconciling the different Kenyan ethnic groups. | 0:03:23 | 0:03:26 | |
the different Kenyan ethnic groups. | 0:03:26 | 0:03:27 | |
the different Kenyan ethnic groups. He has done that | 0:03:27 | 0:03:29 | |
the different Kenyan ethnic groups. He has done that redentlessly and | 0:03:29 | 0:03:29 | |
He has done that redentlessly and | 0:03:29 | 0:03:30 | |
He has done that redentlessly and couragiously, whether | 0:03:30 | 0:03:30 | |
He has done that redentlessly and couragiously, whether it | 0:03:30 | 0:03:30 | |
He has done that redentlessly and couragiously, whether it was those | 0:03:30 | 0:03:31 | |
couragiously, whether it was those | 0:03:31 | 0:03:32 | |
couragiously, whether it was those that were affected | 0:03:32 | 0:03:34 | |
couragiously, whether it was those that were affected by | 0:03:34 | 0:03:34 | |
couragiously, whether it was those that were affected by the activities | 0:03:34 | 0:03:38 | |
that were affected by the activities that went on in 2007 and 2008 or | 0:03:38 | 0:03:39 | |
that went on in 2007 and 2008 or those | 0:03:39 | 0:03:39 | |
that went on in 2007 and 2008 or those that | 0:03:39 | 0:03:42 | |
those that weren't. He made sure those that | 0:03:42 | 0:03:42 | |
those that weren't. He made sure that the Kenyan communities | 0:03:42 | 0:03:42 | |
those that weren't. He made sure that the Kenyan communities came | 0:03:42 | 0:03:43 | |
that the Kenyan communities came | 0:03:43 | 0:03:44 | |
that the Kenyan communities came together. He together with | 0:03:44 | 0:03:45 | |
that the Kenyan communities came together. He together with our | 0:03:45 | 0:03:46 | |
together. He together with our | 0:03:46 | 0:03:48 | |
together. He together with our current president, right, have | 0:03:48 | 0:03:49 | |
together. He together with our current president, right, have so | 0:03:49 | 0:03:49 | |
current president, right, have so much | 0:03:49 | 0:03:50 | |
current president, right, have so much could have | 0:03:50 | 0:03:51 | |
current president, right, have so much could have dense | 0:03:51 | 0:03:51 | |
current president, right, have so much could have dense of the | 0:03:51 | 0:03:52 | |
much could have dense of the | 0:03:52 | 0:03:53 | |
much could have dense of the electorate that they won | 0:03:53 | 0:03:54 | |
much could have dense of the electorate that they won the | 0:03:54 | 0:03:54 | |
much could have dense of the electorate that they won the next | 0:03:54 | 0:03:54 | |
electorate that they won the next | 0:03:54 | 0:03:56 | |
electorate that they won the next general election. | 0:03:56 | 0:03:57 | |
electorate that they won the next general election. That | 0:03:57 | 0:03:57 | |
electorate that they won the next general election. That maybe | 0:03:57 | 0:03:58 | |
electorate that they won the next general election. That maybe true | 0:03:58 | 0:03:58 | |
general election. That maybe true that | 0:03:58 | 0:03:59 | |
general election. That maybe true that they are | 0:03:59 | 0:04:02 | |
that they are working for that they are | 0:04:02 | 0:04:02 | |
that they are working for reconciliation. They | 0:04:02 | 0:04:02 | |
that they are working for reconciliation. They have | 0:04:02 | 0:04:03 | |
that they are working for reconciliation. They have been, | 0:04:03 | 0:04:03 | |
reconciliation. They have been, but reconciliation. They have been, | 0:04:03 | 0:04:03 | |
reconciliation. They have been, but the point | 0:04:03 | 0:04:04 | |
reconciliation. They have been, but the point I was putting | 0:04:04 | 0:04:05 | |
reconciliation. They have been, but the point I was putting to you | 0:04:05 | 0:04:05 | |
reconciliation. They have been, but the point I was putting to you is | 0:04:05 | 0:04:05 | |
the point I was putting to you is this | 0:04:05 | 0:04:06 | |
the point I was putting to you is this — | 0:04:06 | 0:04:07 | |
the point I was putting to you is this — my | 0:04:07 | 0:04:07 | |
the point I was putting to you is this — my original | 0:04:07 | 0:04:07 | |
the point I was putting to you is this — my original question | 0:04:07 | 0:04:08 | |
the point I was putting to you is this — my original question was | 0:04:08 | 0:04:08 | |
the point I was putting to you is you | 0:04:08 | 0:04:08 | |
this — my original question was do you | 0:04:08 | 0:04:08 | |
this — my original question was do you think they | 0:04:08 | 0:04:09 | |
this — my original question was do you think they should be standing | 0:04:09 | 0:04:09 | |
you think they should be standing trial | 0:04:09 | 0:04:09 | |
you think they should be standing trial and | 0:04:09 | 0:04:10 | |
you think they should be standing trial and you | 0:04:10 | 0:04:10 | |
you think they should be standing trial and you say | 0:04:10 | 0:04:12 | |
you think they should be standing trial and you say no, ter they | 0:04:12 | 0:04:12 | |
you think they should be standing trial and you say no, ter they are | 0:04:12 | 0:04:13 | |
trial and you say no, ter they are | 0:04:13 | 0:04:13 | |
trial and you say no, ter they are not guilty | 0:04:13 | 0:04:15 | |
trial and you say no, ter they are not guilty —— they | 0:04:15 | 0:04:15 | |
trial and you say no, ter they are not guilty —— they are not | 0:04:15 | 0:04:15 | |
trial and you say no, ter they are not guilty —— they are not guilty. | 0:04:15 | 0:04:16 | |
not guilty —— they are not guilty. | 0:04:16 | 0:04:17 | |
not guilty —— they are not guilty. Why do you think they shouldn't | 0:04:17 | 0:04:17 | |
not guilty —— they are not guilty. Why do you think they shouldn't be? | 0:04:17 | 0:04:18 | |
not guilty —— they are not guilty. Why | 0:04:18 | 0:04:18 | |
Why do you think they shouldn't be? Why | 0:04:18 | 0:04:20 | |
Why do you think they shouldn't be? Why is the ICC taking | 0:04:20 | 0:04:20 | |
Why do you think they shouldn't be? Why is the ICC taking a | 0:04:20 | 0:04:20 | |
Why do you think they shouldn't be? Why is the ICC taking a this | 0:04:20 | 0:04:21 | |
Why do you think they shouldn't be? Why is the ICC taking a this case | 0:04:21 | 0:04:21 | |
Why is the ICC taking a this case against | 0:04:21 | 0:04:23 | |
Why is the ICC taking a this case against them? | 0:04:23 | 0:04:24 | |
Why is the ICC taking a this case against them? It | 0:04:24 | 0:04:24 | |
Why is the ICC taking a this case against them? It wasn't | 0:04:24 | 0:04:24 | |
Why is the ICC taking a this case against them? It wasn't the | 0:04:24 | 0:04:25 | |
Why is the ICC taking a this case against them? It wasn't the ICC | 0:04:25 | 0:04:25 | |
Why is the ICC taking a this case against them? It wasn't the ICC that | 0:04:25 | 0:04:26 | |
against them? It wasn't the ICC that | 0:04:26 | 0:04:26 | |
against them? It wasn't the ICC that brought the case | 0:04:26 | 0:04:27 | |
against them? It wasn't the ICC that brought the case against | 0:04:27 | 0:04:27 | |
against them? It wasn't the ICC that brought the case against them | 0:04:27 | 0:04:27 | |
brought the case against them | 0:04:27 | 0:04:28 | |
brought the case against them initially... Can I just get | 0:04:28 | 0:04:29 | |
brought the case against them initially... Can I just get you | 0:04:29 | 0:04:29 | |
brought the case against them that. | 0:04:29 | 0:04:29 | |
initially... Can I just get you on that. | 0:04:29 | 0:04:30 | |
initially... Can I just get you on that. You said | 0:04:30 | 0:04:30 | |
initially... Can I just get you on that. You said it | 0:04:30 | 0:04:31 | |
initially... Can I just get you on that. You said it wasn't the ICC | 0:04:31 | 0:04:32 | |
initially... Can I just get you on that. You said it wasn't the ICC who | 0:04:32 | 0:04:32 | |
that. You said it wasn't the ICC who | 0:04:32 | 0:04:33 | |
that. You said it wasn't the ICC who brought the | 0:04:33 | 0:04:35 | |
that. You said it wasn't the ICC who brought the case. | 0:04:35 | 0:04:36 | |
that. You said it wasn't the ICC who brought the case. South Africa, | 0:04:36 | 0:04:37 | |
brought the case. South Africa, | 0:04:37 | 0:04:37 | |
brought the case. South Africa, Ireland, atrocities | 0:04:37 | 0:04:38 | |
brought the case. South Africa, Ireland, atrocities committed. | 0:04:38 | 0:04:38 | |
brought the case. South Africa, Ireland, atrocities committed. The | 0:04:38 | 0:04:38 | |
Ireland, atrocities committed. The people | 0:04:38 | 0:04:39 | |
Ireland, atrocities committed. The people came together. | 0:04:39 | 0:04:40 | |
Ireland, atrocities committed. The people came together. They | 0:04:40 | 0:04:42 | |
Ireland, atrocities committed. The people came together. They had | 0:04:42 | 0:04:42 | |
Ireland, atrocities committed. The people came together. They had a | 0:04:42 | 0:04:42 | |
people came together. They had a truth | 0:04:42 | 0:04:45 | |
people came together. They had a truth a rek con | 0:04:45 | 0:04:45 | |
people came together. They had a Reconciliation | 0:04:45 | 0:04:46 | |
truth a rek con Truth and Reconciliation | 0:04:46 | 0:04:46 | |
truth a rek con Truth and Reconciliation Commission that | 0:04:46 | 0:04:46 | |
truth a rek con Truth and Reconciliation Commission that had | 0:04:46 | 0:04:46 | |
Reconciliation Commission that had | 0:04:46 | 0:04:46 | |
Reconciliation Commission that had nothing to do | 0:04:46 | 0:04:47 | |
Reconciliation Commission that had nothing to do with | 0:04:47 | 0:04:48 | |
Reconciliation Commission that had nothing to do with justice. People | 0:04:48 | 0:04:48 | |
nothing to do with justice. People | 0:04:48 | 0:04:49 | |
nothing to do with justice. People sat around the | 0:04:49 | 0:04:49 | |
nothing to do with justice. People sat around the table | 0:04:49 | 0:04:51 | |
nothing to do with justice. People sat around the table and concluded | 0:04:51 | 0:04:51 | |
sat around the table and concluded those | 0:04:51 | 0:04:51 | |
sat around the table and concluded those issues | 0:04:51 | 0:04:52 | |
sat around the table and concluded those issues because | 0:04:52 | 0:04:52 | |
sat around the table and concluded those issues because countries | 0:04:52 | 0:04:52 | |
sat around the table and concluded those issues because countries must | 0:04:52 | 0:04:53 | |
those issues because countries must move | 0:04:53 | 0:04:57 | |
move forward. move | 0:04:57 | 0:04:59 | |
move forward. When the commission was set—up, | 0:04:59 | 0:05:03 | |
move forward. When the commission was set—up, cove | 0:05:03 | 0:05:03 | |
move forward. Kofi | 0:05:03 | 0:05:05 | |
When the commission was set—up, cove Kofi | 0:05:05 | 0:05:07 | |
Kofi Annan was leading Kofi | 0:05:07 | 0:05:10 | |
Kofi Annan was leading reconciliation. The commission | 0:05:10 | 0:05:10 | |
Kofi Annan was leading reconciliation. The commission said | 0:05:10 | 0:05:10 | |
reconciliation. The commission said that | 0:05:10 | 0:05:11 | |
reconciliation. The commission said that Kenya to | 0:05:11 | 0:05:13 | |
reconciliation. The commission said that Kenya to set—up a tribunal | 0:05:13 | 0:05:13 | |
reconciliation. The commission said that Kenya to set—up a tribunal to | 0:05:13 | 0:05:13 | |
that Kenya to set—up a tribunal to | 0:05:13 | 0:05:13 | |
that Kenya to set—up a tribunal to see who was | 0:05:13 | 0:05:14 | |
that Kenya to set—up a tribunal to see who was responsible | 0:05:14 | 0:05:14 | |
that Kenya to set—up a tribunal to see who was responsible for | 0:05:14 | 0:05:14 | |
that Kenya to set—up a tribunal to see who was responsible for the | 0:05:14 | 0:05:15 | |
see who was responsible for the 1200 see who was responsible for the | 0:05:15 | 0:05:15 | |
see who was responsible for the 1200 people that | 0:05:15 | 0:05:16 | |
see who was responsible for the 1200 people that died in | 0:05:16 | 0:05:17 | |
see who was responsible for the 1200 people that died in very, very | 0:05:17 | 0:05:17 | |
people that died in very, very brutal | 0:05:17 | 0:05:17 | |
people that died in very, very brutal circumstances. | 0:05:17 | 0:05:19 | |
people that died in very, very brutal circumstances. 600,000 forced | 0:05:19 | 0:05:19 | |
brutal circumstances. 600,000 forced to | 0:05:19 | 0:05:19 | |
brutal circumstances. 600,000 forced to flee their | 0:05:19 | 0:05:20 | |
brutal circumstances. 600,000 forced to flee their homes. | 0:05:20 | 0:05:20 | |
brutal circumstances. 600,000 forced to flee their homes. That commission | 0:05:20 | 0:05:20 | |
to flee their homes. That commission | 0:05:20 | 0:05:26 | |
said if you don't set—up a tribunal and do it properly | 0:05:26 | 0:05:26 | |
said if you don't set—up a tribunal and do it properly it | 0:05:26 | 0:05:26 | |
said if you don't set—up a tribunal and do it properly it will | 0:05:26 | 0:05:26 | |
said if you don't set—up a tribunal and do it properly it will have | 0:05:26 | 0:05:28 | |
and do it properly it will have to and do it properly it will have | 0:05:28 | 0:05:30 | |
go to the ICC and Kofi Annan said the | 0:05:30 | 0:05:30 | |
go to the ICC and Kofi Annan said the ICC | 0:05:30 | 0:05:32 | |
go to the ICC and Kofi Annan said the ICC was a court seen as the | 0:05:32 | 0:05:36 | |
go to the ICC and Kofi Annan said resort. He | 0:05:36 | 0:05:37 | |
go to the ICC and Kofi Annan said resort. He said there be no | 0:05:37 | 0:05:38 | |
go to the ICC and Kofi Annan said resort. He said there be no doubt | 0:05:38 | 0:05:40 | |
resort. He said there be no doubt that the failures paved | 0:05:40 | 0:05:40 | |
resort. He said there be no doubt that the failures paved the | 0:05:40 | 0:05:40 | |
resort. He said there be no doubt that the failures paved the way | 0:05:40 | 0:05:43 | |
that the failures paved the way to the ICC? You know societies and | 0:05:43 | 0:05:46 | |
the ICC? You know societies and communities are dynamic. What | 0:05:46 | 0:05:46 | |
the ICC? You know societies and communities are dynamic. What was | 0:05:46 | 0:05:50 | |
true in 2007 is definitely not true of my country today. We | 0:05:50 | 0:05:58 | |
constitution that was formed in of my country today. We | 0:05:58 | 0:05:58 | |
constitution that was formed in 2010. It provides | 0:05:58 | 0:05:59 | |
constitution that was formed in 2010. It provides for | 0:05:59 | 0:06:00 | |
constitution that was formed in 2010. It provides for a reformed | 0:06:00 | 0:06:01 | |
2010. It provides for a reformed judiciary | 0:06:01 | 0:06:02 | |
2010. It provides for a reformed judiciary and | 0:06:02 | 0:06:03 | |
2010. It provides for a reformed judiciary and judicial | 0:06:03 | 0:06:03 | |
2010. It provides for a reformed judiciary and judicial process. | 0:06:03 | 0:06:04 | |
2010. It provides for a reformed judiciary and judicial process. We | 0:06:04 | 0:06:04 | |
2010. It provides for a reformed have | 0:06:04 | 0:06:04 | |
2010. It provides for a reformed have had | 0:06:04 | 0:06:04 | |
2010. It provides for a reformed have had cases | 0:06:04 | 0:06:05 | |
judiciary and judicial process. We have had cases | 0:06:05 | 0:06:07 | |
judiciary and judicial process. We have had cases before our courts | 0:06:07 | 0:06:07 | |
have had cases before our courts that | 0:06:07 | 0:06:08 | |
have had cases before our courts that had | 0:06:08 | 0:06:08 | |
have had cases before our courts that had the | 0:06:08 | 0:06:09 | |
have had cases before our courts that had the confidence of the | 0:06:09 | 0:06:09 | |
that had the confidence of the people. | 0:06:09 | 0:06:11 | |
that had the confidence of the people. What | 0:06:11 | 0:06:11 | |
that had the confidence of the people. What was | 0:06:11 | 0:06:12 | |
that had the confidence of the people. What was happening in | 0:06:12 | 0:06:13 | |
that had the confidence of the people. What was happening in 2007 | 0:06:13 | 0:06:13 | |
that had the confidence of the is | 0:06:13 | 0:06:13 | |
people. What was happening in 2007 is | 0:06:13 | 0:06:14 | |
people. What was happening in 2007 is not happening today. | 0:06:14 | 0:06:19 | |
people. What was happening in 2007 If | 0:06:19 | 0:06:20 | |
people. What was happening in 2007 If there | 0:06:20 | 0:06:20 | |
people. What was happening in 2007 If there was | 0:06:20 | 0:06:20 | |
people. What was happening in 2007 If there was action | 0:06:20 | 0:06:20 | |
people. What was happening in 2007 If there was action on | 0:06:20 | 0:06:21 | |
people. What was happening in 2007 If there was action on this | 0:06:21 | 0:06:21 | |
is not happening today. If there was action on this point | 0:06:21 | 0:06:21 | |
is not happening today. If there was action on this point of | 0:06:21 | 0:06:22 | |
If there was action on this point of trying | 0:06:22 | 0:06:22 | |
If there was action on this point of trying to | 0:06:22 | 0:06:25 | |
If there was action on this point of trying to bring together justice, | 0:06:25 | 0:06:26 | |
If there was action on this point of trying to bring together justice, if | 0:06:26 | 0:06:26 | |
trying to bring together justice, if | 0:06:26 | 0:06:27 | |
trying to bring together justice, if there was an action it would go | 0:06:27 | 0:06:27 | |
trying to bring together justice, if there was an action it would go to | 0:06:27 | 0:06:28 | |
trying to bring together justice, if the | 0:06:28 | 0:06:28 | |
trying to bring together justice, if the ICC | 0:06:28 | 0:06:28 | |
trying to bring together justice, if the ICC and | 0:06:28 | 0:06:28 | |
trying to bring together justice, if the ICC and now | 0:06:28 | 0:06:29 | |
trying to bring together justice, if the ICC and now you | 0:06:29 | 0:06:29 | |
trying to bring together justice, if the ICC and now you are | 0:06:29 | 0:06:29 | |
there was an action it would go to the ICC and now you are saying | 0:06:29 | 0:06:29 | |
there was an action it would go to the ICC and now you are saying you | 0:06:29 | 0:06:30 | |
the ICC and now you are saying you | 0:06:30 | 0:06:30 | |
the ICC and now you are saying you have the | 0:06:30 | 0:06:30 | |
the ICC and now you are saying you have the right to change your | 0:06:30 | 0:06:31 | |
the ICC and now you are saying you have the right to change your minds? | 0:06:31 | 0:06:31 | |
have the right to change your minds? No, | 0:06:31 | 0:06:32 | |
have the right to change your minds? No, it is not | 0:06:32 | 0:06:32 | |
have the right to change your minds? No, it is not about changing | 0:06:32 | 0:06:33 | |
have the right to change your minds? No, it is not about changing minds. | 0:06:33 | 0:06:33 | |
No, it is not about changing minds. | 0:06:33 | 0:06:34 | |
No, it is not about changing minds. It is | 0:06:34 | 0:06:35 | |
No, it is not about changing minds. It is about | 0:06:35 | 0:06:35 | |
No, it is not about changing minds. It is about societies | 0:06:35 | 0:06:36 | |
No, it is not about changing minds. forward. | 0:06:36 | 0:06:37 | |
It is about societies moving forward. | 0:06:37 | 0:06:38 | |
It is about societies moving forward. It is about societies | 0:06:38 | 0:06:39 | |
forward. It is about societies | 0:06:39 | 0:06:39 | |
forward. It is about societies reconciling. It | 0:06:39 | 0:06:40 | |
forward. It is about societies reconciling. It is about | 0:06:40 | 0:06:40 | |
forward. It is about societies reconciling. It is about societies | 0:06:40 | 0:06:41 | |
reconciling. It is about societies after | 0:06:41 | 0:06:43 | |
reconciling. It is about societies after reconciling, electing | 0:06:43 | 0:06:43 | |
reconciling. It is about societies after reconciling, electing those | 0:06:43 | 0:06:43 | |
after reconciling, electing those | 0:06:43 | 0:06:44 | |
after reconciling, electing those that the | 0:06:44 | 0:06:44 | |
after reconciling, electing those that the international | 0:06:44 | 0:06:44 | |
after reconciling, electing those that the international community | 0:06:44 | 0:06:45 | |
after reconciling, electing those that the international community had | 0:06:45 | 0:06:45 | |
that the international community had put | 0:06:45 | 0:06:46 | |
that the international community had put at The | 0:06:46 | 0:06:46 | |
that the international community had put at The Hague. | 0:06:46 | 0:06:50 | |
that the international community had put at The Hague. It is a different | 0:06:50 | 0:06:50 | |
put at The Hague. It is a different set | 0:06:50 | 0:06:50 | |
put at The Hague. It is a different set of | 0:06:50 | 0:06:51 | |
put at The Hague. It is a different set of circumstances today | 0:06:51 | 0:06:51 | |
put at The Hague. It is a different set of circumstances today and | 0:06:51 | 0:06:51 | |
put at The Hague. It is a different set of circumstances today and you | 0:06:51 | 0:06:53 | |
set of circumstances today and you know | 0:06:53 | 0:06:53 | |
set of circumstances today and you know what, there | 0:06:53 | 0:06:54 | |
set of circumstances today and you know what, there was an | 0:06:54 | 0:06:54 | |
set of circumstances today and you know what, there was an envelope | 0:06:54 | 0:06:55 | |
know what, there was an envelope | 0:06:55 | 0:06:56 | |
know what, there was an envelope handed to Kofi | 0:06:56 | 0:06:58 | |
know what, there was an envelope handed to Kofi Annan. It did not | 0:06:58 | 0:06:58 | |
handed to Kofi Annan. It did not contain | 0:06:58 | 0:06:58 | |
handed to Kofi Annan. It did not contain six | 0:06:58 | 0:06:59 | |
handed to Kofi Annan. It did not contain six names. | 0:06:59 | 0:07:01 | |
handed to Kofi Annan. It did not contain six names. They | 0:07:01 | 0:07:01 | |
handed to Kofi Annan. It did not contain six names. They picked | 0:07:01 | 0:07:02 | |
handed to Kofi Annan. It did not contain six names. They picked and | 0:07:02 | 0:07:02 | |
contain six names. They picked and | 0:07:02 | 0:07:03 | |
contain six names. They picked and chose, it | 0:07:03 | 0:07:04 | |
contain six names. They picked and chose, it was | 0:07:04 | 0:07:04 | |
contain six names. They picked and chose, it was politicised | 0:07:04 | 0:07:04 | |
contain six names. They picked and chose, it was politicised from | 0:07:04 | 0:07:04 | |
contain six names. They picked and chose, it was politicised from the | 0:07:04 | 0:07:05 | |
chose, it was politicised from the beginning. | 0:07:05 | 0:07:05 | |
chose, it was politicised from the beginning. How | 0:07:05 | 0:07:06 | |
chose, it was politicised from the beginning. How can | 0:07:06 | 0:07:08 | |
chose, it was politicised from the beginning. How can it be true | 0:07:08 | 0:07:09 | |
chose, it was politicised from the beginning. How can it be true that | 0:07:09 | 0:07:09 | |
beginning. How can it be true that | 0:07:09 | 0:07:09 | |
beginning. How can it be true that they are | 0:07:09 | 0:07:10 | |
beginning. How can it be true that they are conducting a case right, | 0:07:10 | 0:07:11 | |
they are conducting a case right, | 0:07:11 | 0:07:11 | |
they are conducting a case right, and that | 0:07:11 | 0:07:11 | |
they are conducting a case right, and that they | 0:07:11 | 0:07:12 | |
they are conducting a case right, and that they chose six out of | 0:07:12 | 0:07:12 | |
they are conducting a case right, and that they chose six out of an | 0:07:12 | 0:07:12 | |
and that they chose six out of an envelope | 0:07:12 | 0:07:13 | |
and that they chose six out of an envelope of I | 0:07:13 | 0:07:13 | |
and that they chose six out of an envelope of I don't | 0:07:13 | 0:07:15 | |
and that they chose six out of an envelope of I don't know how many | 0:07:15 | 0:07:15 | |
envelope of I don't know how many and | 0:07:15 | 0:07:17 | |
and of the six, three are from one and | 0:07:17 | 0:07:17 | |
and of the six, three are from one side of the | 0:07:17 | 0:07:18 | |
and of the six, three are from one side of the politicalle divide | 0:07:18 | 0:07:18 | |
and of the six, three are from one side of the politicalle divide and | 0:07:18 | 0:07:18 | |
side of the politicalle divide and the | 0:07:18 | 0:07:19 | |
side of the politicalle divide and the other three | 0:07:19 | 0:07:19 | |
side of the politicalle divide and the other three were | 0:07:19 | 0:07:19 | |
side of the politicalle divide and the other three were from | 0:07:19 | 0:07:19 | |
side of the politicalle divide and the other three were from the | 0:07:19 | 0:07:20 | |
side of the politicalle divide and the other three were from the other | 0:07:20 | 0:07:20 | |
the other three were from the other | 0:07:20 | 0:07:20 | |
the other three were from the other side. If | 0:07:20 | 0:07:21 | |
the other three were from the other side. If that is | 0:07:21 | 0:07:21 | |
the other three were from the other side. If that is not | 0:07:21 | 0:07:22 | |
the other three were from the other side. If that is not politicising | 0:07:22 | 0:07:22 | |
side. If that is not politicising the | 0:07:22 | 0:07:24 | |
side. If that is not politicising the case, tell me what | 0:07:24 | 0:07:24 | |
side. If that is not politicising the case, tell me what is. | 0:07:24 | 0:07:24 | |
side. If that is not politicising the case, tell me what is. If | 0:07:24 | 0:07:25 | |
side. If that is not politicising the case, tell me what is. If they | 0:07:25 | 0:07:25 | |
the case, tell me what is. If they had | 0:07:25 | 0:07:25 | |
the case, tell me what is. If they had stood | 0:07:25 | 0:07:25 | |
the case, tell me what is. If they had stood up | 0:07:25 | 0:07:27 | |
the case, tell me what is. If they had stood up and said, " Listen, | 0:07:27 | 0:07:27 | |
had stood up and said, " Listen, | 0:07:27 | 0:07:28 | |
had stood up and said, " Listen, atrocities were | 0:07:28 | 0:07:29 | |
atrocities were committed. One or atrocities were | 0:07:29 | 0:07:29 | |
atrocities were committed. One or two people | 0:07:29 | 0:07:31 | |
two people are responsible. And it two people | 0:07:31 | 0:07:31 | |
two people are responsible. And it wouldn't have | 0:07:31 | 0:07:33 | |
wouldn't have mattered from one side wouldn't have | 0:07:33 | 0:07:35 | |
of the political divide they were, right? Then | 0:07:35 | 0:07:36 | |
of the political divide they were, right? Then it | 0:07:36 | 0:07:37 | |
right? Then it would have been right? Then it | 0:07:37 | 0:07:38 | |
right? Then it would have been easier for people to | 0:07:38 | 0:07:39 | |
easier for people to say, this is easier for people to | 0:07:39 | 0:07:39 | |
easier for people to say, this is fair. This is objective. | 0:07:39 | 0:07:40 | |
easier for people to say, this is fair. This is objective. This | 0:07:40 | 0:07:41 | |
fair. This is objective. This is right. | 0:07:41 | 0:07:42 | |
fair. This is objective. This is right. This | 0:07:42 | 0:07:43 | |
fair. This is objective. This is right. This is a search for | 0:07:43 | 0:07:43 | |
fair. This is objective. This is right. This is a search for justice. | 0:07:43 | 0:07:44 | |
right. This is a search for justice. So | 0:07:44 | 0:07:45 | |
right. This is a search for justice. So your | 0:07:45 | 0:07:45 | |
right. This is a search for justice. So your Government's | 0:07:45 | 0:07:46 | |
right. This is a search for justice. So your Government's position | 0:07:46 | 0:07:46 | |
right. This is a search for justice. So your Government's position is | 0:07:46 | 0:07:46 | |
So your Government's position is | 0:07:46 | 0:07:47 | |
So your Government's position is saying the chief prosecutor | 0:07:47 | 0:07:47 | |
So your Government's position is saying the chief prosecutor of | 0:07:47 | 0:07:48 | |
So your Government's position is saying the chief prosecutor of the | 0:07:48 | 0:07:48 | |
saying the chief prosecutor of the | 0:07:48 | 0:07:49 | |
saying the chief prosecutor of the ICC does not really | 0:07:49 | 0:07:50 | |
saying the chief prosecutor of the ICC does not really want to take | 0:07:50 | 0:07:50 | |
ICC does not really want to take this | 0:07:50 | 0:07:51 | |
ICC does not really want to take this trial... No, I am not saying | 0:07:51 | 0:07:52 | |
this trial... No, I am not saying | 0:07:52 | 0:07:54 | |
this trial... No, I am not saying that. But she is. Well, you know | 0:07:54 | 0:07:54 | |
that. But she is. Well, you know | 0:07:54 | 0:07:56 | |
that. But she is. Well, you know what... She has given | 0:07:56 | 0:07:56 | |
that. But she is. Well, you know what... She has given interviews. | 0:07:56 | 0:08:11 | |
that. But she is. Well, you know is woulderied about reluctance | 0:08:11 | 0:08:11 | |
that. But she is. Well, you know is woulderied about reluctance of | 0:08:11 | 0:08:12 | |
is woulderied about reluctance of | 0:08:12 | 0:08:13 | |
is woulderied about reluctance of witnesses to —— | 0:08:13 | 0:08:14 | |
is woulderied about reluctance of witnesses to —— she is worried | 0:08:14 | 0:08:18 | |
is woulderied about reluctance of witnesses to —— she is worried about | 0:08:18 | 0:08:18 | |
witnesses to —— she is worried about | 0:08:18 | 0:08:19 | |
witnesses to —— she is worried about reluctance of | 0:08:19 | 0:08:19 | |
witnesses to —— she is worried about reluctance of witnesses. | 0:08:19 | 0:08:21 | |
reluctance of witnesses. | 0:08:21 | 0:08:22 | |
reluctance of witnesses. She dragged my | 0:08:22 | 0:08:23 | |
reluctance of witnesses. She dragged my deputy president. | 0:08:23 | 0:08:24 | |
She dragged my deputy president. You She dragged my deputy president. | 0:08:24 | 0:08:24 | |
She dragged my deputy president. You know what, | 0:08:24 | 0:08:24 | |
She dragged my deputy president. You know what, the witnesses | 0:08:24 | 0:08:25 | |
She dragged my deputy president. You know what, the witnesses haven't | 0:08:25 | 0:08:25 | |
know what, the witnesses haven't | 0:08:25 | 0:08:28 | |
know what, the witnesses haven't been able to travel, go | 0:08:28 | 0:08:29 | |
know what, the witnesses haven't been able to travel, go away | 0:08:29 | 0:08:29 | |
know what, the witnesses haven't been able to travel, go away Deputy | 0:08:29 | 0:08:29 | |
been able to travel, go away Deputy | 0:08:29 | 0:08:30 | |
been able to travel, go away Deputy Prime Minister, | 0:08:30 | 0:08:30 | |
been able to travel, go away Deputy Prime Minister, come back next | 0:08:30 | 0:08:30 | |
been able to travel, go away Deputy Prime Minister, come back next week. | 0:08:30 | 0:08:32 | |
Prime Minister, come back next week. Deputy | 0:08:32 | 0:08:32 | |
Prime Minister, come back next week. Deputy president. | 0:08:32 | 0:08:35 | |
Prime Minister, come back next week. Deputy president. His | 0:08:35 | 0:08:35 | |
Prime Minister, come back next week. Deputy president. His case was | 0:08:35 | 0:08:36 | |
Deputy president. His case was adjourned. | 0:08:36 | 0:08:36 | |
Deputy president. His case was adjourned. Of | 0:08:36 | 0:08:36 | |
Deputy president. His case was adjourned. Of course, | 0:08:36 | 0:08:37 | |
Deputy president. His case was adjourned. Of course, he is back, | 0:08:37 | 0:08:38 | |
adjourned. Of course, he is back, | 0:08:38 | 0:08:38 | |
adjourned. Of course, he is back, but how | 0:08:38 | 0:08:38 | |
adjourned. Of course, he is back, but how do | 0:08:38 | 0:08:40 | |
adjourned. Of course, he is back, but how do you do that? You have | 0:08:40 | 0:08:40 | |
but how do you do that? You have | 0:08:40 | 0:08:40 | |
but how do you do that? You have five years | 0:08:40 | 0:08:41 | |
but how do you do that? You have five years to prepare a | 0:08:41 | 0:08:41 | |
but how do you do that? You have five years to prepare a case. | 0:08:41 | 0:08:42 | |
but how do you do that? You have five years to prepare a case. How | 0:08:42 | 0:08:42 | |
but how do you do that? You have five years to prepare a case. How is | 0:08:42 | 0:08:43 | |
five years to prepare a case. How is | 0:08:43 | 0:08:43 | |
five years to prepare a case. How is it possible? | 0:08:43 | 0:08:44 | |
five years to prepare a case. How is it possible? A | 0:08:44 | 0:08:46 | |
five years to prepare a case. How is it possible? A leader who has | 0:08:46 | 0:08:46 | |
it possible? A leader who has | 0:08:46 | 0:08:46 | |
it possible? A leader who has constitutional, but he is | 0:08:46 | 0:08:47 | |
constitutional, but he is the... He constitutional, but he is | 0:08:47 | 0:08:47 | |
constitutional, but he is the... He is standing | 0:08:47 | 0:08:48 | |
constitutional, but he is the... He is standing trial. If you say | 0:08:48 | 0:08:48 | |
constitutional, but he is the... He is standing trial. If you say he | 0:08:48 | 0:08:49 | |
constitutional, but he is the... He is standing trial. If you say he has | 0:08:49 | 0:08:49 | |
is standing trial. If you say he has | 0:08:49 | 0:08:49 | |
is standing trial. If you say he has no case | 0:08:49 | 0:08:50 | |
is standing trial. If you say he has no case to answer | 0:08:50 | 0:08:50 | |
is standing trial. If you say he has no case to answer and | 0:08:50 | 0:08:50 | |
is standing trial. If you say he has no case to answer and he | 0:08:50 | 0:08:51 | |
is standing trial. If you say he has no case to answer and he is | 0:08:51 | 0:08:51 | |
is standing trial. If you say he has no case to answer and he is trying | 0:08:51 | 0:08:51 | |
no case to answer and he is trying trial? | 0:08:51 | 0:08:52 | |
no case to answer and he is trying trial? We | 0:08:52 | 0:08:52 | |
no case to answer and he is trying trial? We are | 0:08:52 | 0:08:52 | |
no case to answer and he is trying trial? We are co order | 0:08:52 | 0:08:53 | |
no case to answer and he is trying trial? We are co order rating with | 0:08:53 | 0:08:54 | |
trial? We are co order rating with | 0:08:54 | 0:08:54 | |
trial? We are co order rating with the court. | 0:08:54 | 0:08:56 | |
trial? We are co order rating with the court. We committed ourselves... | 0:08:56 | 0:08:57 | |
the court. We committed ourselves... | 0:08:57 | 0:08:58 | |
the court. We committed ourselves... Are you | 0:08:58 | 0:08:58 | |
the court. We committed ourselves... Are you co—operating with | 0:08:58 | 0:08:59 | |
the court. We committed ourselves... courts? | 0:08:59 | 0:08:59 | |
the court. We committed ourselves... courts? Yes. | 0:08:59 | 0:09:00 | |
Are you co—operating with the courts? Yes. | 0:09:00 | 0:09:01 | |
Are you co—operating with the courts? Yes. You don't want | 0:09:01 | 0:09:01 | |
Are you co—operating with the courts? Yes. You don't want to | 0:09:01 | 0:09:02 | |
courts? Yes. You don't want to withdraw. | 0:09:02 | 0:09:04 | |
courts? Yes. You don't want to withdraw. First step in making | 0:09:04 | 0:09:04 | |
courts? Yes. You don't want to withdraw. First step in making Kenya | 0:09:04 | 0:09:04 | |
withdraw. First step in making Kenya | 0:09:04 | 0:09:05 | |
withdraw. First step in making Kenya withdraw? The | 0:09:05 | 0:09:08 | |
withdraw? The motion was passed. I withdraw? The | 0:09:08 | 0:09:10 | |
withdraw? The motion was passed. I foresee that they would repeal | 0:09:10 | 0:09:10 | |
withdraw? The motion was passed. I foresee that they would repeal our | 0:09:10 | 0:09:11 | |
foresee that they would repeal our Act | 0:09:11 | 0:09:11 | |
foresee that they would repeal our Act first of | 0:09:11 | 0:09:11 | |
foresee that they would repeal our Act first of all, | 0:09:11 | 0:09:14 | |
foresee that they would repeal our Act first of all, the and | 0:09:14 | 0:09:15 | |
foresee that they would repeal our Act first of all, the and the next | 0:09:15 | 0:09:15 | |
Act first of all, the and the next | 0:09:15 | 0:09:16 | |
Act first of all, the and the next step will be withdrawal, right, | 0:09:16 | 0:09:17 | |
Act first of all, the and the next step will be withdrawal, right, but | 0:09:17 | 0:09:17 | |
step will be withdrawal, right, but | 0:09:17 | 0:09:17 | |
step will be withdrawal, right, but we have | 0:09:17 | 0:09:18 | |
step will be withdrawal, right, but we have been there | 0:09:18 | 0:09:18 | |
step will be withdrawal, right, but we have been there before. | 0:09:18 | 0:09:18 | |
step will be withdrawal, right, but we have been there before. It | 0:09:18 | 0:09:18 | |
step will be withdrawal, right, but we have been there before. It is | 0:09:18 | 0:09:19 | |
step will be withdrawal, right, but we have been there before. It is not | 0:09:19 | 0:09:19 | |
we have been there before. It is not the | 0:09:19 | 0:09:21 | |
we have been there before. It is not the first | 0:09:21 | 0:09:21 | |
we have been there before. It is not the first time | 0:09:21 | 0:09:22 | |
we have been there before. It is not the first time that the Parliament | 0:09:22 | 0:09:22 | |
the first time that the Parliament | 0:09:22 | 0:09:22 | |
the first time that the Parliament that is | 0:09:22 | 0:09:24 | |
that is passed that motion. that is | 0:09:24 | 0:09:24 | |
that is passed that motion. You know | 0:09:24 | 0:09:24 | |
that is passed that motion. You know that | 0:09:24 | 0:09:24 | |
that is passed that motion. You know that motion | 0:09:24 | 0:09:25 | |
that is passed that motion. You know that motion was | 0:09:25 | 0:09:26 | |
that is passed that motion. You know that motion was called | 0:09:26 | 0:09:26 | |
that is passed that motion. You know that motion was called by | 0:09:26 | 0:09:26 | |
that is passed that motion. opponents | 0:09:26 | 0:09:27 | |
You know that motion was called by opponents | 0:09:27 | 0:09:28 | |
You know that motion was called by opponents of | 0:09:28 | 0:09:33 | |
You know that motion was called by opponents of the president... | 0:09:33 | 0:09:35 | |
You know that motion was called by opponents of the president... It | 0:09:35 | 0:09:36 | |
You know that motion was called by opponents of the president... It is | 0:09:36 | 0:09:36 | |
opponents of the president... It is | 0:09:36 | 0:09:36 | |
opponents of the president... It is an independent institution. | 0:09:36 | 0:09:37 | |
opponents of the president... It is an independent institution. It | 0:09:37 | 0:09:37 | |
opponents of the president... It is an independent institution. It is | 0:09:37 | 0:09:38 | |
opponents of the president... It is an independent institution. It is a | 0:09:38 | 0:09:38 | |
an independent institution. It is a democratic | 0:09:38 | 0:09:38 | |
an independent institution. It is a democratic institution. It | 0:09:38 | 0:09:39 | |
an independent institution. It is a democratic institution. It is | 0:09:39 | 0:09:39 | |
an independent institution. It is a democratic institution. It is a | 0:09:39 | 0:09:39 | |
democratic institution. It is a Parliament. | 0:09:39 | 0:09:40 | |
democratic institution. It is a Parliament. Parliaments | 0:09:40 | 0:09:41 | |
democratic institution. It is a Parliament. Parliaments debate | 0:09:41 | 0:09:41 | |
Parliament. Parliaments debate | 0:09:41 | 0:09:42 | |
Parliament. Parliaments debate issues. Parliaments, | 0:09:42 | 0:09:44 | |
Parliament. Parliaments debate issues. Parliaments, you | 0:09:44 | 0:09:45 | |
issues. Parliaments, you know, Parliamentarians can walk—out | 0:09:45 | 0:09:46 | |
issues. Parliaments, you know, Parliamentarians can walk—out of | 0:09:46 | 0:09:46 | |
issues. Parliaments, you know, Parliamentarians can walk—out of a | 0:09:46 | 0:09:46 | |
Parliamentarians can walk—out of a debate... | 0:09:46 | 0:09:50 | |
Parliamentarians can walk—out of a debate... Which they did do? Which | 0:09:50 | 0:09:52 | |
debate... Which they did do? Which | 0:09:52 | 0:09:52 | |
debate... Which they did do? Which they did do. You are saying that | 0:09:52 | 0:09:52 | |
they did do. You are saying that | 0:09:52 | 0:09:54 | |
they did do. You are saying that ICC? | 0:09:54 | 0:09:55 | |
they did do. You are saying that ICC? The Parliament has passed | 0:09:55 | 0:09:56 | |
they did do. You are saying that ICC? The Parliament has passed a | 0:09:56 | 0:09:56 | |
ICC? The Parliament has passed a | 0:09:56 | 0:10:02 | |
ICC? The Parliament has passed a motion. The Government has... You | 0:10:02 | 0:10:02 | |
motion. The Government has... You are | 0:10:02 | 0:10:03 | |
motion. The Government has... You are one of 34 | 0:10:03 | 0:10:04 | |
motion. The Government has... You are one of 34 African | 0:10:04 | 0:10:04 | |
motion. The Government has... You are one of 34 African countries | 0:10:04 | 0:10:06 | |
are one of 34 African countries that are one of 34 African countries | 0:10:06 | 0:10:08 | |
are one of 34 African countries that signed up to the I csmt CC, what are | 0:10:08 | 0:10:08 | |
signed up to the I csmt CC, what are the | 0:10:08 | 0:10:10 | |
the implications for other African the | 0:10:10 | 0:10:14 | |
countries? Well, I think if there is a feeling that the space that we | 0:10:14 | 0:10:19 | |
to co—operate with the court, right, is | 0:10:19 | 0:10:20 | |
to co—operate with the court, right, is shrinking and that | 0:10:20 | 0:10:21 | |
to co—operate with the court, right, is shrinking and that it becomes | 0:10:21 | 0:10:22 | |
is shrinking and that it becomes difficult | 0:10:22 | 0:10:23 | |
is shrinking and that it becomes difficult for other countries to | 0:10:23 | 0:10:23 | |
difficult for other countries to even | 0:10:23 | 0:10:24 | |
difficult for other countries to even think | 0:10:24 | 0:10:24 | |
difficult for other countries to even think of | 0:10:24 | 0:10:24 | |
difficult for other countries to even think of themselves | 0:10:24 | 0:10:26 | |
difficult for other countries to even think of themselves in the | 0:10:26 | 0:10:26 | |
difficult for other countries to even think of themselves in the same | 0:10:26 | 0:10:27 | |
difficult for other countries to situation | 0:10:27 | 0:10:27 | |
even think of themselves in the same situation | 0:10:27 | 0:10:27 | |
even think of themselves in the same situation sob have | 0:10:27 | 0:10:27 | |
even think of themselves in the same situation sob have you | 0:10:27 | 0:10:27 | |
even think of themselves in the same situation sob have you saidly | 0:10:27 | 0:10:28 | |
even think of themselves in the same situation sob have you saidly they | 0:10:28 | 0:10:28 | |
situation sob have you saidly they | 0:10:28 | 0:10:30 | |
situation sob have you saidly they need to make —— | 0:10:30 | 0:10:31 | |
situation sob have you saidly they need to make —— obviously | 0:10:31 | 0:10:31 | |
situation sob have you saidly they need to make —— obviously they | 0:10:31 | 0:10:31 | |
situation sob have you saidly they need to make —— obviously they need | 0:10:31 | 0:10:31 | |
need to make —— obviously they need to | 0:10:31 | 0:10:32 | |
need to make —— obviously they need to make their | 0:10:32 | 0:10:32 | |
need to make —— obviously they need to make their own call | 0:10:32 | 0:10:32 | |
need to make —— obviously they need to make their own call and | 0:10:32 | 0:10:33 | |
need to make —— obviously they need to make their own call and draw | 0:10:33 | 0:10:33 | |
to make their own call and draw their | 0:10:33 | 0:10:33 | |
to make their own call and draw their own | 0:10:33 | 0:10:33 | |
to make their own call and draw their own conclusions. | 0:10:33 | 0:10:34 | |
to make their own call and draw You | 0:10:34 | 0:10:35 | |
to make their own call and draw You have | 0:10:35 | 0:10:35 | |
their own conclusions. You have | 0:10:35 | 0:10:36 | |
their own conclusions. You have been sper heading | 0:10:36 | 0:10:36 | |
their own conclusions. You have been sper heading efforts | 0:10:36 | 0:10:40 | |
You have been sper heading efforts and | 0:10:40 | 0:10:40 | |
You have been sper heading efforts and lobbying, | 0:10:40 | 0:10:40 | |
You have been sper heading efforts and lobbying, you | 0:10:40 | 0:10:40 | |
You have been sper heading efforts and lobbying, you have | 0:10:40 | 0:10:41 | |
You have been sper heading efforts and lobbying, you have been | 0:10:41 | 0:10:41 | |
You have been sper heading efforts and lobbying, you have been to | 0:10:41 | 0:10:41 | |
You have been sper heading efforts and lobbying, you have been to say, | 0:10:41 | 0:10:42 | |
and lobbying, you have been to say, | 0:10:42 | 0:10:42 | |
and lobbying, you have been to say, we want the | 0:10:42 | 0:10:43 | |
and lobbying, you have been to say, we want the AU | 0:10:43 | 0:10:43 | |
and lobbying, you have been to say, we want the AU to | 0:10:43 | 0:10:44 | |
and lobbying, you have been to say, we want the AU to say that the | 0:10:44 | 0:10:44 | |
and lobbying, you have been to say, we want the AU to say that the ICC | 0:10:44 | 0:10:44 | |
we want the AU to say that the ICC | 0:10:44 | 0:10:45 | |
we want the AU to say that the ICC is doing is not correct. There | 0:10:45 | 0:10:46 | |
we want the AU to say that the ICC is doing is not correct. There will | 0:10:46 | 0:10:46 | |
is doing is not correct. There will | 0:10:46 | 0:10:47 | |
is doing is not correct. There will be a meeting | 0:10:47 | 0:10:48 | |
is doing is not correct. There will be a meeting in | 0:10:48 | 0:10:48 | |
is doing is not correct. There will be a meeting in October | 0:10:48 | 0:10:49 | |
is doing is not correct. There will be a meeting in October to | 0:10:49 | 0:10:50 | |
is doing is not correct. There will be a meeting in October to discuss | 0:10:50 | 0:10:51 | |
be a meeting in October to discuss | 0:10:51 | 0:10:53 | |
be a meeting in October to discuss the African Union's | 0:10:53 | 0:10:53 | |
be a meeting in October to discuss the African Union's relationship | 0:10:53 | 0:10:53 | |
the African Union's relationship with | 0:10:53 | 0:10:54 | |
the African Union's relationship with the | 0:10:54 | 0:10:55 | |
the African Union's relationship with the ICC? I | 0:10:55 | 0:10:55 | |
the African Union's relationship with the ICC? I think | 0:10:55 | 0:10:55 | |
the African Union's relationship with the ICC? I think one | 0:10:55 | 0:10:55 | |
the African Union's relationship with the ICC? I think one should | 0:10:55 | 0:10:56 | |
with the ICC? I think one should always | 0:10:56 | 0:10:56 | |
with the ICC? I think one should always look | 0:10:56 | 0:10:56 | |
with the ICC? I think one should always look at | 0:10:56 | 0:10:59 | |
with the ICC? I think one should always look at their relationships. | 0:10:59 | 0:10:59 | |
always look at their relationships. I | 0:10:59 | 0:11:02 | |
always look at their relationships. I think that's important to do | 0:11:02 | 0:11:02 | |
I think that's important to do because | 0:11:02 | 0:11:02 | |
I think that's important to do because as | 0:11:02 | 0:11:05 | |
I think that's important to do because as of today the only | 0:11:05 | 0:11:05 | |
I think that's important to do because as of today the only one | 0:11:05 | 0:11:05 | |
because as of today the only one standing | 0:11:05 | 0:11:06 | |
because as of today the only one standing trial at | 0:11:06 | 0:11:08 | |
because as of today the only one standing trial at The Hague are | 0:11:08 | 0:11:08 | |
standing trial at The Hague are Africans. | 0:11:08 | 0:11:10 | |
standing trial at The Hague are Africans. So why | 0:11:10 | 0:11:11 | |
standing trial at The Hague are Africans. So why shouldn't Africa | 0:11:11 | 0:11:11 | |
Africans. So why shouldn't Africa | 0:11:11 | 0:11:12 | |
Africans. So why shouldn't Africa examine its relationship with | 0:11:12 | 0:11:13 | |
Africans. So why shouldn't Africa examine its relationship with the | 0:11:13 | 0:11:13 | |
examine its relationship with the ICC? | 0:11:13 | 0:11:14 | |
examine its relationship with the ICC? After all... | 0:11:14 | 0:11:17 | |
examine its relationship with the ICC? After all... You say Africans, | 0:11:17 | 0:11:18 | |
ICC? After all... You say Africans, | 0:11:18 | 0:11:18 | |
ICC? After all... You say Africans, four out | 0:11:18 | 0:11:19 | |
ICC? After all... You say Africans, four out of the eight | 0:11:19 | 0:11:20 | |
ICC? After all... You say Africans, four out of the eight cases referred | 0:11:20 | 0:11:20 | |
four out of the eight cases referred | 0:11:20 | 0:11:22 | |
four out of the eight cases referred to the ICC, fourth | 0:11:22 | 0:11:24 | |
four out of the eight cases referred to the ICC, fourth out of | 0:11:24 | 0:11:24 | |
four out of the eight cases referred to the ICC, fourth out of the | 0:11:24 | 0:11:24 | |
four out of the eight cases referred to the ICC, fourth out of the eight | 0:11:24 | 0:11:24 | |
to the ICC, fourth out of the eight cases | 0:11:24 | 0:11:25 | |
to the ICC, fourth out of the eight cases were | 0:11:25 | 0:11:26 | |
to the ICC, fourth out of the eight cases were originated | 0:11:26 | 0:11:27 | |
to the ICC, fourth out of the eight cases were originated by | 0:11:27 | 0:11:27 | |
cases were originated by the cases were originated by | 0:11:27 | 0:11:28 | |
cases were originated by the Government themselves and other | 0:11:28 | 0:11:28 | |
cases were originated by the Government themselves and other two | 0:11:28 | 0:11:29 | |
cases were originated by the were | 0:11:29 | 0:11:29 | |
Government themselves and other two were | 0:11:29 | 0:11:30 | |
Government themselves and other two were Saptioned by | 0:11:30 | 0:11:30 | |
Government themselves and other two were Saptioned by the Government | 0:11:30 | 0:11:31 | |
Government themselves and other two were Saptioned by the Government so | 0:11:31 | 0:11:31 | |
were Saptioned by the Government so the | 0:11:31 | 0:11:31 | |
were Saptioned by the Government so the majority | 0:11:31 | 0:11:32 | |
were Saptioned by the Government so the majority of | 0:11:32 | 0:11:33 | |
were Saptioned by the Government so the majority of cases are | 0:11:33 | 0:11:34 | |
were Saptioned by the Government so the majority of cases are originated | 0:11:34 | 0:11:34 | |
the majority of cases are originated by | 0:11:34 | 0:11:36 | |
the majority of cases are originated by governments. How | 0:11:36 | 0:11:36 | |
the majority of cases are originated by governments. How does | 0:11:36 | 0:11:37 | |
the majority of cases are originated by governments. How does that | 0:11:37 | 0:11:37 | |
the majority of cases are originated by governments. How does that mean | 0:11:37 | 0:11:37 | |
by governments. How does that mean you | 0:11:37 | 0:11:38 | |
by governments. How does that mean you should not examine | 0:11:38 | 0:11:39 | |
by governments. How does that mean you should not examine your | 0:11:39 | 0:11:39 | |
by governments. How does that mean relationship? | 0:11:39 | 0:11:40 | |
you should not examine your relationship? | 0:11:40 | 0:11:40 | |
you should not examine your relationship? It is | 0:11:40 | 0:11:41 | |
you should not examine your relationship? It is more than than | 0:11:41 | 0:11:41 | |
relationship? It is more than than | 0:11:41 | 0:11:42 | |
relationship? It is more than than just examining | 0:11:42 | 0:11:42 | |
relationship? It is more than than just examining the | 0:11:42 | 0:11:43 | |
relationship? It is more than than just examining the relationship. | 0:11:43 | 0:11:44 | |
just examining the relationship. | 0:11:44 | 0:11:45 | |
just examining the relationship. Anybody lobbied anybody | 0:11:45 | 0:11:45 | |
just examining the relationship. Anybody lobbied anybody to do | 0:11:45 | 0:11:46 | |
just examining the relationship. anything. | 0:11:46 | 0:11:46 | |
just examining the relationship. anything. We | 0:11:46 | 0:11:47 | |
just examining the relationship. anything. We had | 0:11:47 | 0:11:47 | |
just examining the relationship. anything. We had a | 0:11:47 | 0:11:47 | |
Anybody lobbied anybody to do anything. We had a resolution, | 0:11:47 | 0:11:48 | |
Anybody lobbied anybody to do anything. We had a resolution, a | 0:11:48 | 0:11:48 | |
anything. We had a resolution, a decision | 0:11:48 | 0:11:50 | |
anything. We had a resolution, a decision made by the EU Summit | 0:11:50 | 0:11:50 | |
anything. We had a resolution, a decision made by the EU Summit in | 0:11:50 | 0:11:51 | |
decision made by the EU Summit in July | 0:11:51 | 0:11:51 | |
decision made by the EU Summit in July of | 0:11:51 | 0:11:51 | |
decision made by the EU Summit in July of this | 0:11:51 | 0:11:52 | |
decision made by the EU Summit in July of this year. | 0:11:52 | 0:11:53 | |
July of this year. There was another July of this year. | 0:11:53 | 0:11:55 | |
July of this year. There was another decision made in January of this | 0:11:55 | 0:11:55 | |
decision made in January of this year, | 0:11:55 | 0:12:00 | |
decision made in January of this year, OK? You cannot just have | 0:12:00 | 0:12:01 | |
year, OK? You cannot just have decisions and not implement them. | 0:12:01 | 0:12:04 | |
decisions and not implement them. You cannot have decisions | 0:12:04 | 0:12:04 | |
decisions and not implement them. You cannot have decisions as | 0:12:04 | 0:12:05 | |
You cannot have decisions as look at whether | 0:12:05 | 0:12:05 | |
You cannot have decisions as look at whether the | 0:12:05 | 0:12:09 | |
You cannot have decisions as look at The | 0:12:09 | 0:12:09 | |
You cannot have decisions as look at The African | 0:12:09 | 0:12:09 | |
You cannot have decisions as look at The African Union | 0:12:09 | 0:12:09 | |
implemented or not. The African Union | 0:12:09 | 0:12:10 | |
implemented or not. The African Union and the | 0:12:10 | 0:12:10 | |
implemented or not. The African Union and the African | 0:12:10 | 0:12:10 | |
The African Union and the African | 0:12:10 | 0:12:11 | |
The African Union and the African Prime Minister | 0:12:11 | 0:12:11 | |
The African Union and the African Prime Minister and they | 0:12:11 | 0:12:11 | |
The African Union and the African Prime Minister and they all said | 0:12:11 | 0:12:12 | |
Prime Minister and they all said | 0:12:12 | 0:12:12 | |
Prime Minister and they all said this is | 0:12:12 | 0:12:12 | |
Prime Minister and they all said this is not | 0:12:12 | 0:12:12 | |
Prime Minister and they all said this is not a good | 0:12:12 | 0:12:13 | |
Prime Minister and they all said this is not a good situation | 0:12:13 | 0:12:13 | |
Prime Minister and they all said this is not a good situation that | 0:12:13 | 0:12:13 | |
this is not a good situation that | 0:12:13 | 0:12:13 | |
this is not a good situation that you have | 0:12:13 | 0:12:14 | |
this is not a good situation that you have the | 0:12:14 | 0:12:16 | |
this is not a good situation that you have the ICC cases | 0:12:16 | 0:12:16 | |
this is not a good situation that you have the ICC cases which | 0:12:16 | 0:12:17 | |
this is not a good situation that you have the ICC cases which are | 0:12:17 | 0:12:17 | |
this is not a good situation that you have the ICC cases which are all | 0:12:17 | 0:12:17 | |
you have the ICC cases which are all | 0:12:17 | 0:12:20 | |
you have the ICC cases which are all African. The Tanzanian | 0:12:20 | 0:12:21 | |
you have the ICC cases which are all African. The Tanzanian Government | 0:12:21 | 0:12:21 | |
African. The Tanzanian Government | 0:12:21 | 0:12:22 | |
African. The Tanzanian Government spokesperson has said | 0:12:22 | 0:12:22 | |
African. The Tanzanian Government spokesperson has said just | 0:12:22 | 0:12:22 | |
African. The Tanzanian Government spokesperson has said just now | 0:12:22 | 0:12:22 | |
African. The Tanzanian Government spokesperson has said just now there | 0:12:22 | 0:12:23 | |
spokesperson has said just now there is | 0:12:23 | 0:12:24 | |
spokesperson has said just now there is a proposal | 0:12:24 | 0:12:28 | |
coming in January for all African is a proposal | 0:12:28 | 0:12:30 | |
coming in January for all African Union countries to withdraw from the | 0:12:30 | 0:12:30 | |
Union countries to withdraw from the ICC | 0:12:30 | 0:12:36 | |
ICC because the court is seen to be targeting African leaders. That | 0:12:36 | 0:12:36 | |
ICC because the court is seen to be targeting African leaders. That was | 0:12:36 | 0:12:36 | |
targeting African leaders. That was | 0:12:36 | 0:12:36 | |
targeting African leaders. That was last January. | 0:12:36 | 0:12:37 | |
targeting African leaders. That was last January. I | 0:12:37 | 0:12:38 | |
targeting African leaders. That was last January. I can't speak for | 0:12:38 | 0:12:38 | |
last January. I can't speak for Tanzania. | 0:12:38 | 0:12:40 | |
last January. I can't speak for Tanzania. It is more than you | 0:12:40 | 0:12:41 | |
last January. I can't speak for Tanzania. It is more than you saying | 0:12:41 | 0:12:41 | |
Tanzania. It is more than you saying | 0:12:41 | 0:12:41 | |
Tanzania. It is more than you saying it is | 0:12:41 | 0:12:41 | |
Tanzania. It is more than you saying it is not | 0:12:41 | 0:12:42 | |
Tanzania. It is more than you saying it is not right that | 0:12:42 | 0:12:43 | |
Tanzania. It is more than you saying it is not right that the | 0:12:43 | 0:12:43 | |
Tanzania. It is more than you saying it is not right that the president | 0:12:43 | 0:12:43 | |
it is not right that the president and | 0:12:43 | 0:12:43 | |
it is not right that the president and the | 0:12:43 | 0:12:44 | |
it is not right that the president and the Vice—President are | 0:12:44 | 0:12:44 | |
it is not right that the president and the Vice—President are at | 0:12:44 | 0:12:44 | |
it is not right that the president and the Vice—President are at the | 0:12:44 | 0:12:44 | |
and the Vice—President are at the ICC, | 0:12:44 | 0:12:44 | |
and the Vice—President are at the ICC, you | 0:12:44 | 0:12:45 | |
and the Vice—President are at the ICC, you are | 0:12:45 | 0:12:46 | |
and the Vice—President are at the ICC, you are trying to get | 0:12:46 | 0:12:47 | |
and the Vice—President are at the ICC, you are trying to get the | 0:12:47 | 0:12:48 | |
ICC, you are trying to get the | 0:12:48 | 0:12:48 | |
ICC, you are trying to get the African unions We | 0:12:48 | 0:12:49 | |
ICC, you are trying to get the African unions We are not trying | 0:12:49 | 0:12:49 | |
ICC, you are trying to get the African unions We are not trying to | 0:12:49 | 0:12:49 | |
African unions We are not trying to | 0:12:49 | 0:12:50 | |
African unions We are not trying to get anybody behind us. | 0:12:50 | 0:12:51 | |
African unions We are not trying to discussion | 0:12:51 | 0:12:51 | |
African unions We are not trying to discussion is | 0:12:51 | 0:12:52 | |
African unions We are not trying to discussion is about | 0:12:52 | 0:12:52 | |
get anybody behind us. The discussion is about | 0:12:52 | 0:12:52 | |
get anybody behind us. The discussion is about the relationship | 0:12:52 | 0:12:52 | |
discussion is about the relationship of | 0:12:52 | 0:12:53 | |
discussion is about the relationship of Africa with | 0:12:53 | 0:12:54 | |
discussion is about the relationship of Africa with the ICC. | 0:12:54 | 0:12:54 | |
discussion is about the relationship of Africa with the ICC. It | 0:12:54 | 0:12:55 | |
discussion is about the relationship of Africa with the ICC. It is a | 0:12:55 | 0:12:55 | |
of Africa with the ICC. It is a relationship | 0:12:55 | 0:12:56 | |
of Africa with the ICC. It is a relationship that must | 0:12:56 | 0:12:56 | |
of Africa with the ICC. It is a relationship that must take place. | 0:12:56 | 0:12:57 | |
relationship that must take place. | 0:12:57 | 0:12:57 | |
relationship that must take place. It has | 0:12:57 | 0:12:57 | |
relationship that must take place. It has to | 0:12:57 | 0:12:58 | |
relationship that must take place. It has to take | 0:12:58 | 0:12:59 | |
relationship that must take place. It has to take place. We | 0:12:59 | 0:12:59 | |
relationship that must take place. It has to take place. We must | 0:12:59 | 0:12:59 | |
relationship that must take place. examine | 0:12:59 | 0:13:00 | |
It has to take place. We must examine | 0:13:00 | 0:13:00 | |
It has to take place. We must examine the relationship. | 0:13:00 | 0:13:00 | |
It has to take place. We must examine the relationship. We | 0:13:00 | 0:13:01 | |
It has to take place. We must examine the relationship. We are | 0:13:01 | 0:13:02 | |
It has to take place. We must examine the relationship. We are the | 0:13:02 | 0:13:03 | |
examine the relationship. We are the | 0:13:03 | 0:13:05 | |
examine the relationship. We are the largest constituency, yeah, party | 0:13:05 | 0:13:05 | |
examine the relationship. We are the largest constituency, yeah, party to | 0:13:05 | 0:13:06 | |
largest constituency, yeah, party to the | 0:13:06 | 0:13:06 | |
largest constituency, yeah, party to the Rome | 0:13:06 | 0:13:06 | |
largest constituency, yeah, party to the Rome statute. | 0:13:06 | 0:13:08 | |
largest constituency, yeah, party to the Rome statute. We have made | 0:13:08 | 0:13:08 | |
the Rome statute. We have made | 0:13:08 | 0:13:08 | |
the Rome statute. We have made several requests | 0:13:08 | 0:13:09 | |
the Rome statute. We have made several requests to | 0:13:09 | 0:13:11 | |
the Rome statute. We have made several requests to the Security | 0:13:11 | 0:13:11 | |
several requests to the Security Council, | 0:13:11 | 0:13:12 | |
several requests to the Security Council, to | 0:13:12 | 0:13:13 | |
several requests to the Security Council, to the | 0:13:13 | 0:13:13 | |
several requests to the Security Council, to the court, | 0:13:13 | 0:13:13 | |
several requests to the Security Council, to the court, to others | 0:13:13 | 0:13:14 | |
several requests to the Security Council, to the court, to others on | 0:13:14 | 0:13:14 | |
Council, to the court, to others on | 0:13:14 | 0:13:16 | |
Council, to the court, to others on issues before the | 0:13:16 | 0:13:16 | |
Council, to the court, to others on issues before the ICC | 0:13:16 | 0:13:16 | |
Council, to the court, to others on issues before the ICC thinking | 0:13:16 | 0:13:17 | |
Council, to the court, to others on issues before the ICC thinking and | 0:13:17 | 0:13:17 | |
issues before the ICC thinking and | 0:13:17 | 0:13:18 | |
issues before the ICC thinking and hopings that other | 0:13:18 | 0:13:19 | |
issues before the ICC thinking and hopings that other State parties | 0:13:19 | 0:13:19 | |
hopings that other State parties would | 0:13:19 | 0:13:19 | |
hopings that other State parties would actually | 0:13:19 | 0:13:20 | |
hopings that other State parties would actually look | 0:13:20 | 0:13:20 | |
hopings that other State parties would actually look at | 0:13:20 | 0:13:20 | |
hopings that other State parties would actually look at the | 0:13:20 | 0:13:21 | |
hopings that other State parties would actually look at the request | 0:13:21 | 0:13:21 | |
would actually look at the request | 0:13:21 | 0:13:21 | |
would actually look at the request we are | 0:13:21 | 0:13:22 | |
would actually look at the request we are making and at | 0:13:22 | 0:13:22 | |
would actually look at the request we are making and at least | 0:13:22 | 0:13:22 | |
would actually look at the request we are making and at least respond | 0:13:22 | 0:13:23 | |
we are making and at least respond | 0:13:23 | 0:13:23 | |
we are making and at least respond to us, | 0:13:23 | 0:13:24 | |
we are making and at least respond to us, right? And | 0:13:24 | 0:13:25 | |
we are making and at least respond to us, right? And for a long | 0:13:25 | 0:13:26 | |
we are making and at least respond to us, right? And for a long time | 0:13:26 | 0:13:26 | |
to us, right? And for a long time there | 0:13:26 | 0:13:28 | |
to us, right? And for a long time there is no response and only | 0:13:28 | 0:13:28 | |
to us, right? And for a long time there is no response and only when | 0:13:28 | 0:13:28 | |
there is no response and only when Africa | 0:13:28 | 0:13:29 | |
there is no response and only when Africa starts getting together | 0:13:29 | 0:13:29 | |
there is no response and only when Africa starts getting together is | 0:13:29 | 0:13:30 | |
Africa starts getting together is | 0:13:30 | 0:13:30 | |
Africa starts getting together is when we | 0:13:30 | 0:13:31 | |
Africa starts getting together is when we get very | 0:13:31 | 0:13:31 | |
Africa starts getting together is when we get very hurried responses | 0:13:31 | 0:13:32 | |
when we get very hurried responses | 0:13:32 | 0:13:32 | |
when we get very hurried responses given to | 0:13:32 | 0:13:32 | |
when we get very hurried responses given to us. | 0:13:32 | 0:13:33 | |
when we get very hurried responses given to us. You | 0:13:33 | 0:13:33 | |
when we get very hurried responses given to us. You know, | 0:13:33 | 0:13:33 | |
when we get very hurried responses given to us. You know, so | 0:13:33 | 0:13:33 | |
when we get very hurried responses given to us. You know, so it | 0:13:33 | 0:13:34 | |
when we get very hurried responses given to us. You know, so it has | 0:13:34 | 0:13:34 | |
when we get very hurried responses given to us. You know, so it has to | 0:13:34 | 0:13:34 | |
given to us. You know, so it has to | 0:13:34 | 0:13:35 | |
given to us. You know, so it has to be a relationship of partnership. | 0:13:35 | 0:13:36 | |
given to us. You know, so it has to be a relationship of partnership. It | 0:13:36 | 0:13:36 | |
be a relationship of partnership. It has | 0:13:36 | 0:13:37 | |
be a relationship of partnership. It has to be a | 0:13:37 | 0:13:39 | |
be a relationship of partnership. It has to be a relationship... All | 0:13:39 | 0:13:40 | |
has to be a relationship... All African | 0:13:40 | 0:13:42 | |
has to be a relationship... All African countries... | 0:13:42 | 0:13:44 | |
has to be a relationship... All African countries... Af Africans | 0:13:44 | 0:13:44 | |
has to be a relationship... All African countries... Af Africans are | 0:13:44 | 0:13:44 | |
African countries... Af Africans are | 0:13:44 | 0:13:45 | |
African countries... Af Africans are junior partners. | 0:13:45 | 0:13:47 | |
junior partners. | 0:13:47 | 0:13:47 | |
junior partners. The minister said | 0:13:47 | 0:13:49 | |
junior partners. The minister said the ICC | 0:13:49 | 0:13:50 | |
junior partners. The minister said the ICC is guilty | 0:13:50 | 0:13:50 | |
The minister said the ICC is guilty | 0:13:50 | 0:13:50 | |
The minister said the ICC is guilty of applying | 0:13:50 | 0:13:53 | |
The minister said the ICC is guilty policy, | 0:13:53 | 0:13:53 | |
The minister said the ICC is guilty policy, I | 0:13:53 | 0:13:53 | |
of applying a double standard policy, I | 0:13:53 | 0:13:54 | |
of applying a double standard policy, I am asking whether | 0:13:54 | 0:13:54 | |
of applying a double standard policy, I am asking whether you | 0:13:54 | 0:13:54 | |
policy, I am asking whether you agree | 0:13:54 | 0:13:57 | |
agree with what he said last year, the | 0:13:57 | 0:13:57 | |
agree with what he said last year, the ICC | 0:13:57 | 0:13:57 | |
agree with what he said last year, the ICC is | 0:13:57 | 0:13:58 | |
agree with what he said last year, the ICC is guilty | 0:13:58 | 0:13:58 | |
agree with what he said last year, the ICC is guilty of applying | 0:13:58 | 0:13:59 | |
agree with what he said last year, the ICC is guilty of applying a | 0:13:59 | 0:13:59 | |
the ICC is guilty of applying a double | 0:13:59 | 0:13:59 | |
the ICC is guilty of applying a double standard | 0:13:59 | 0:14:01 | |
the ICC is guilty of applying a double standard policy which pushed | 0:14:01 | 0:14:01 | |
double standard policy which pushed | 0:14:01 | 0:14:02 | |
double standard policy which pushed the African | 0:14:02 | 0:14:02 | |
double standard policy which pushed the African countries | 0:14:02 | 0:14:03 | |
double standard policy which pushed the African countries to consider | 0:14:03 | 0:14:03 | |
the African countries to consider withdrawing | 0:14:03 | 0:14:04 | |
the African countries to consider withdrawing from | 0:14:04 | 0:14:04 | |
the African countries to consider withdrawing from The | 0:14:04 | 0:14:04 | |
the African countries to consider withdrawing from The Hague | 0:14:04 | 0:14:04 | |
the African countries to consider withdrawing from The Hague based | 0:14:04 | 0:14:05 | |
withdrawing from The Hague based court? | 0:14:05 | 0:14:05 | |
withdrawing from The Hague based court? Is he | 0:14:05 | 0:14:05 | |
withdrawing from The Hague based court? Is he right? | 0:14:05 | 0:14:06 | |
withdrawing from The Hague based It | 0:14:06 | 0:14:06 | |
court? Is he right? It | 0:14:06 | 0:14:06 | |
court? Is he right? It is a | 0:14:06 | 0:14:07 | |
court? Is he right? It is a perception, | 0:14:07 | 0:14:07 | |
court? Is he right? It is a perception, it is | 0:14:07 | 0:14:07 | |
court? Is he right? It is a perception, it is out | 0:14:07 | 0:14:07 | |
court? Is he right? It is a perception, it is out there. | 0:14:07 | 0:14:16 | |
It is a perception, it is out there. But do you agree with it? It is | 0:14:16 | 0:14:16 | |
It is a perception, it is out there. perception | 0:14:16 | 0:14:21 | |
It is a perception, it is out there. perception that is there. But do | 0:14:21 | 0:14:22 | |
It is a perception, it is out there. perception that is there. But do you | 0:14:22 | 0:14:22 | |
perception that is there. But do you agree | 0:14:22 | 0:14:22 | |
perception that is there. But do you agree with | 0:14:22 | 0:14:22 | |
perception that is there. But do you agree with it? | 0:14:22 | 0:14:26 | |
perception that is there. But do you agree with it? Sometimes it can | 0:14:26 | 0:14:26 | |
perception that is there. But do you agree with it? Sometimes it can be | 0:14:26 | 0:14:26 | |
perception that is there. But do you impossible | 0:14:26 | 0:14:29 | |
impossible to see the truth. But do impossible | 0:14:29 | 0:14:30 | |
impossible to see the truth. But do you have | 0:14:30 | 0:14:30 | |
impossible to see the truth. But do you have any sympathy | 0:14:30 | 0:14:32 | |
impossible to see the truth. But do you have any sympathy with his view | 0:14:32 | 0:14:32 | |
you have any sympathy with his view when | 0:14:32 | 0:14:34 | |
when he is talking with President Kenny | 0:14:34 | 0:14:49 | |
Kenny after. You have got the vice Kenny | 0:14:49 | 0:14:49 | |
Kenny after. You have got the vice president, of the DRC. But | 0:14:49 | 0:14:49 | |
Kenny after. You have got the vice president, of the DRC. But are | 0:14:49 | 0:14:49 | |
Kenny after. You have got the vice president, of the DRC. But are you | 0:14:49 | 0:14:50 | |
president, of the DRC. But are you | 0:14:50 | 0:14:50 | |
president, of the DRC. But are you saying that | 0:14:50 | 0:14:50 | |
president, of the DRC. But are you saying that Africans | 0:14:50 | 0:14:51 | |
president, of the DRC. But are you saying that Africans should | 0:14:51 | 0:14:51 | |
president, of the DRC. But are you saying that Africans should just | 0:14:51 | 0:14:51 | |
president, of the DRC. But are you saying that Africans should just ask | 0:14:51 | 0:14:51 | |
saying that Africans should just ask for | 0:14:51 | 0:14:53 | |
saying that Africans should just ask for an exception | 0:14:53 | 0:14:54 | |
saying that Africans should just ask for an exception for all | 0:14:54 | 0:14:55 | |
saying that Africans should just ask for an exception for all these | 0:14:55 | 0:14:56 | |
saying that Africans should just ask for an exception for all these to | 0:14:56 | 0:14:56 | |
saying that Africans should just ask for an exception for all these to be | 0:14:56 | 0:14:56 | |
for an exception for all these to be part | 0:14:56 | 0:14:56 | |
for an exception for all these to be part of the | 0:14:56 | 0:14:59 | |
for an exception for all these to be part of the ICC system? I think | 0:14:59 | 0:14:59 | |
for an exception for all these to be part of the ICC system? I think if | 0:14:59 | 0:15:00 | |
for an exception for all these to be you | 0:15:00 | 0:15:00 | |
part of the ICC system? I think if you | 0:15:00 | 0:15:00 | |
part of the ICC system? I think if you look at | 0:15:00 | 0:15:01 | |
part of the ICC system? I think if you look at the | 0:15:01 | 0:15:01 | |
part of the ICC system? I think if you look at the requests | 0:15:01 | 0:15:01 | |
part of the ICC system? I think if you look at the requests that are | 0:15:01 | 0:15:01 | |
you look at the requests that are | 0:15:01 | 0:15:04 | |
you look at the requests that are there, you might not | 0:15:04 | 0:15:05 | |
you look at the requests that are there, you might not draw those | 0:15:05 | 0:15:05 | |
there, you might not draw those conclusions | 0:15:05 | 0:15:06 | |
there, you might not draw those conclusions that you are drawing. | 0:15:06 | 0:15:07 | |
conclusions that you are drawing. The | 0:15:07 | 0:15:08 | |
conclusions that you are drawing. The difference | 0:15:08 | 0:15:09 | |
conclusions that you are drawing. The difference that | 0:15:09 | 0:15:09 | |
conclusions that you are drawing. The difference that they | 0:15:09 | 0:15:09 | |
conclusions that you are drawing. The difference that they raise | 0:15:09 | 0:15:09 | |
The difference that they raise between | 0:15:09 | 0:15:10 | |
The difference that they raise between Kenya and | 0:15:10 | 0:15:13 | |
The difference that they raise between Kenya and Sudan, and | 0:15:13 | 0:15:13 | |
The difference that they raise between Kenya and Sudan, and we | 0:15:13 | 0:15:13 | |
The difference that they raise talked | 0:15:13 | 0:15:14 | |
between Kenya and Sudan, and we have talked | 0:15:14 | 0:15:14 | |
between Kenya and Sudan, and we have talked on behalf | 0:15:14 | 0:15:14 | |
between Kenya and Sudan, and we have talked on behalf of | 0:15:14 | 0:15:14 | |
between Kenya and Sudan, and we have talked on behalf of Sudan many | 0:15:14 | 0:15:15 | |
talked on behalf of Sudan many times, | 0:15:15 | 0:15:17 | |
talked on behalf of Sudan many times, because | 0:15:17 | 0:15:18 | |
talked on behalf of Sudan many times, because Sudan is | 0:15:18 | 0:15:18 | |
talked on behalf of Sudan many times, because Sudan is a | 0:15:18 | 0:15:18 | |
talked on behalf of Sudan many times, because Sudan is a key player | 0:15:18 | 0:15:19 | |
times, because Sudan is a key player in | 0:15:19 | 0:15:19 | |
times, because Sudan is a key player in ensuring that | 0:15:19 | 0:15:20 | |
times, because Sudan is a key player in ensuring that there | 0:15:20 | 0:15:20 | |
times, because Sudan is a key player in ensuring that there is | 0:15:20 | 0:15:20 | |
times, because Sudan is a key player in ensuring that there is peace | 0:15:20 | 0:15:21 | |
times, because Sudan is a key player in ensuring that there is peace in | 0:15:21 | 0:15:21 | |
in ensuring that there is peace in | 0:15:21 | 0:15:21 | |
in ensuring that there is peace in that part of Africa. | 0:15:21 | 0:15:24 | |
in ensuring that there is peace in that part of Africa. But Kenny | 0:15:24 | 0:15:25 | |
in ensuring that there is peace in that part of Africa. But Kenny is | 0:15:25 | 0:15:25 | |
in ensuring that there is peace in that part of Africa. But Kenny is a | 0:15:25 | 0:15:25 | |
that part of Africa. But Kenny is a state | 0:15:25 | 0:15:26 | |
that part of Africa. But Kenny is a state party to the | 0:15:26 | 0:15:26 | |
that part of Africa. But Kenny is a state party to the statute. | 0:15:26 | 0:15:30 | |
that part of Africa. But Kenny is a state party to the statute. And | 0:15:30 | 0:15:30 | |
that part of Africa. But Kenny is a state party to the statute. And what | 0:15:30 | 0:15:30 | |
that part of Africa. But Kenny is a of | 0:15:30 | 0:15:31 | |
state party to the statute. And what of | 0:15:31 | 0:15:31 | |
state party to the statute. And what of these other | 0:15:31 | 0:15:31 | |
state party to the statute. And what of these other countries that | 0:15:31 | 0:15:31 | |
state party to the statute. And what of these other countries that I | 0:15:31 | 0:15:32 | |
of these other countries that I mentioned? | 0:15:32 | 0:15:35 | |
of these other countries that I mentioned? Can Africans stand | 0:15:35 | 0:15:36 | |
of these other countries that I together | 0:15:36 | 0:15:36 | |
mentioned? Can Africans stand together | 0:15:36 | 0:15:37 | |
mentioned? Can Africans stand together on this issue, or | 0:15:37 | 0:15:37 | |
mentioned? Can Africans stand together on this issue, or are | 0:15:37 | 0:15:37 | |
mentioned? Can Africans stand together on this issue, or are you | 0:15:37 | 0:15:38 | |
together on this issue, or are you going | 0:15:38 | 0:15:38 | |
together on this issue, or are you going to | 0:15:38 | 0:15:38 | |
together on this issue, or are you going to be | 0:15:38 | 0:15:38 | |
together on this issue, or are you going to be cherry | 0:15:38 | 0:15:39 | |
together on this issue, or are you going to be cherry picking which | 0:15:39 | 0:15:39 | |
going to be cherry picking which countries | 0:15:39 | 0:15:40 | |
going to be cherry picking which countries should | 0:15:40 | 0:15:40 | |
going to be cherry picking which countries should remain | 0:15:40 | 0:15:40 | |
going to be cherry picking which countries should remain part | 0:15:40 | 0:15:41 | |
going to be cherry picking which countries should remain part of | 0:15:41 | 0:15:41 | |
going to be cherry picking which countries should remain part of the | 0:15:41 | 0:15:41 | |
going to be cherry picking which ICC | 0:15:41 | 0:15:41 | |
countries should remain part of the ICC | 0:15:41 | 0:15:42 | |
countries should remain part of the ICC and which shouldn't? | 0:15:42 | 0:15:43 | |
countries should remain part of the ICC and which shouldn't? I | 0:15:43 | 0:15:47 | |
countries should remain part of the ICC and which shouldn't? I think | 0:15:47 | 0:15:47 | |
ICC and which shouldn't? I think every | 0:15:47 | 0:15:48 | |
ICC and which shouldn't? I think every country commits | 0:15:48 | 0:15:48 | |
ICC and which shouldn't? I think every country commits itself to | 0:15:48 | 0:15:48 | |
every country commits itself to international | 0:15:48 | 0:15:52 | |
every country commits itself to international instruments. It | 0:15:52 | 0:15:53 | |
every country commits itself to ratifies | 0:15:53 | 0:15:53 | |
international instruments. It ratifies | 0:15:53 | 0:15:53 | |
international instruments. It ratifies and signs | 0:15:53 | 0:15:54 | |
international instruments. It ratifies and signs these without | 0:15:54 | 0:15:54 | |
ratifies and signs these without asking | 0:15:54 | 0:15:55 | |
ratifies and signs these without asking others | 0:15:55 | 0:15:55 | |
ratifies and signs these without asking others whether it | 0:15:55 | 0:15:56 | |
ratifies and signs these without asking others whether it should | 0:15:56 | 0:15:56 | |
ratifies and signs these without party | 0:15:56 | 0:15:56 | |
asking others whether it should be party | 0:15:56 | 0:15:56 | |
asking others whether it should be party or not. | 0:15:56 | 0:15:58 | |
asking others whether it should be party or not. We did | 0:15:58 | 0:15:59 | |
asking others whether it should be party or not. We did not | 0:15:59 | 0:15:59 | |
asking others whether it should be party or not. We did not ask for | 0:15:59 | 0:15:59 | |
asking others whether it should be party or not. We did not ask for the | 0:15:59 | 0:15:59 | |
party or not. We did not ask for the others, | 0:15:59 | 0:16:01 | |
party or not. We did not ask for the others, so | 0:16:01 | 0:16:01 | |
party or not. We did not ask for the others, so obviously | 0:16:01 | 0:16:02 | |
party or not. We did not ask for the others, so obviously decisions | 0:16:02 | 0:16:02 | |
party or not. We did not ask for the others, so obviously decisions will | 0:16:02 | 0:16:02 | |
others, so obviously decisions will have | 0:16:02 | 0:16:03 | |
others, so obviously decisions will have to be | 0:16:03 | 0:16:03 | |
others, so obviously decisions will have to be met | 0:16:03 | 0:16:03 | |
others, so obviously decisions will have to be met by | 0:16:03 | 0:16:03 | |
have to be met by individual have to be met by | 0:16:03 | 0:16:05 | |
have to be met by individual commissions. | 0:16:05 | 0:16:06 | |
have to be met by individual commissions. And | 0:16:06 | 0:16:06 | |
have to be met by individual commissions. And we weren't | 0:16:06 | 0:16:07 | |
have to be met by individual commissions. And we weren't just | 0:16:07 | 0:16:08 | |
commissions. And we weren't just | 0:16:08 | 0:16:08 | |
commissions. And we weren't just talking about | 0:16:08 | 0:16:08 | |
commissions. And we weren't just talking about the | 0:16:08 | 0:16:08 | |
commissions. And we weren't just talking about the ICC's | 0:16:08 | 0:16:11 | |
talking about the ICC's treatment of Kenya alone. | 0:16:11 | 0:16:11 | |
talking about the ICC's treatment of Kenya alone. There | 0:16:11 | 0:16:12 | |
talking about the ICC's treatment of Kenya alone. There is | 0:16:12 | 0:16:12 | |
talking about the ICC's treatment of Kenya alone. There is also | 0:16:12 | 0:16:12 | |
talking about the ICC's treatment of Kenya alone. There is also this | 0:16:12 | 0:16:12 | |
talking about the ICC's treatment of that | 0:16:12 | 0:16:13 | |
Kenya alone. There is also this fact that | 0:16:13 | 0:16:13 | |
Kenya alone. There is also this fact that it is | 0:16:13 | 0:16:13 | |
Kenya alone. There is also this fact that it is African | 0:16:13 | 0:16:15 | |
Kenya alone. There is also this fact that it is African leaders only | 0:16:15 | 0:16:15 | |
that it is African leaders only who that it is African leaders only | 0:16:15 | 0:16:17 | |
that it is African leaders only who have been perceived. | 0:16:17 | 0:16:21 | |
that it is African leaders only who have been perceived. I | 0:16:21 | 0:16:22 | |
that it is African leaders only who have been perceived. I am a state | 0:16:22 | 0:16:25 | |
have been perceived. I am a state party, and the Rome Statute | 0:16:25 | 0:16:26 | |
have been perceived. I am a state party, and the Rome Statute is | 0:16:26 | 0:16:29 | |
impartial and objective. We signed on | 0:16:29 | 0:16:31 | |
on to it because we actually believe in what | 0:16:31 | 0:16:32 | |
on to it because we actually believe in what is enshrined in | 0:16:32 | 0:16:34 | |
on to it because we actually believe in what is enshrined in it. | 0:16:34 | 0:16:34 | |
on to it because we actually believe in what is enshrined in it. We | 0:16:34 | 0:16:34 | |
on to it because we actually believe in what is enshrined in it. We do | 0:16:34 | 0:16:35 | |
in what is enshrined in it. We do not | 0:16:35 | 0:16:35 | |
in what is enshrined in it. We do not like the | 0:16:35 | 0:16:36 | |
in what is enshrined in it. We do not like the weather goalposts | 0:16:36 | 0:16:36 | |
in what is enshrined in it. We do not like the weather goalposts keep | 0:16:36 | 0:16:36 | |
not like the weather goalposts keep moving. | 0:16:36 | 0:16:38 | |
not like the weather goalposts keep moving. We do | 0:16:38 | 0:16:40 | |
not like the weather goalposts keep moving. We do not like the way | 0:16:40 | 0:16:40 | |
not like the weather goalposts keep moving. We do not like the way the | 0:16:40 | 0:16:40 | |
moving. We do not like the way the space | 0:16:40 | 0:16:40 | |
moving. We do not like the way the space for | 0:16:40 | 0:16:40 | |
moving. We do not like the way the space for cooperation | 0:16:40 | 0:16:41 | |
moving. We do not like the way the space for cooperation with the | 0:16:41 | 0:16:41 | |
moving. We do not like the way the space for cooperation with the ICC | 0:16:41 | 0:16:41 | |
space for cooperation with the ICC keeps | 0:16:41 | 0:16:41 | |
space for cooperation with the ICC keeps shrinking. | 0:16:41 | 0:16:43 | |
space for cooperation with the ICC keeps shrinking. That | 0:16:43 | 0:16:43 | |
space for cooperation with the ICC keeps shrinking. That is | 0:16:43 | 0:16:44 | |
space for cooperation with the ICC keeps shrinking. That is a | 0:16:44 | 0:16:47 | |
keeps shrinking. That is a problem that we have with it. | 0:16:47 | 0:16:47 | |
keeps shrinking. That is a problem that we have with it. It | 0:16:47 | 0:16:47 | |
keeps shrinking. That is a problem that we have with it. It is | 0:16:47 | 0:16:47 | |
keeps shrinking. That is a problem that we have with it. It is an | 0:16:47 | 0:16:48 | |
keeps shrinking. That is a problem that we have with it. It is an issue | 0:16:48 | 0:16:48 | |
that we have with it. It is an issue that | 0:16:48 | 0:16:52 | |
assembly of state parties, because that | 0:16:52 | 0:16:52 | |
assembly of state parties, because that is | 0:16:52 | 0:16:58 | |
Statute gather to discuss issues that relate to the court. | 0:16:58 | 0:17:00 | |
Statute gather to discuss issues that relate to the court. What | 0:17:00 | 0:17:00 | |
Statute gather to discuss issues that relate to the court. What do | 0:17:00 | 0:17:00 | |
that relate to the court. What do you | 0:17:00 | 0:17:01 | |
that relate to the court. What do you say to | 0:17:01 | 0:17:02 | |
that relate to the court. What do you say to Kofi Annan when he says | 0:17:02 | 0:17:02 | |
you say to Kofi Annan when he says the | 0:17:02 | 0:17:03 | |
you say to Kofi Annan when he says the trials are not | 0:17:03 | 0:17:04 | |
you say to Kofi Annan when he says the trials are not an assault | 0:17:04 | 0:17:04 | |
you say to Kofi Annan when he says the trials are not an assault on | 0:17:04 | 0:17:05 | |
the trials are not an assault on Kenyan | 0:17:05 | 0:17:05 | |
the trials are not an assault on Kenyan sovereignty, | 0:17:05 | 0:17:05 | |
the trials are not an assault on Kenyan sovereignty, but | 0:17:05 | 0:17:06 | |
the trials are not an assault on Kenyan sovereignty, but the | 0:17:06 | 0:17:06 | |
the trials are not an assault on Kenyan sovereignty, but the first | 0:17:06 | 0:17:10 | |
Kenyan sovereignty, but the first | 0:17:10 | 0:17:13 | |
Kenyan sovereignty, but the first step, but Kenyans | 0:17:13 | 0:17:13 | |
Kenyan sovereignty, but the first step, but Kenyans want | 0:17:13 | 0:17:16 | |
Kenyan sovereignty, but the first step, but Kenyans want deep early | 0:17:16 | 0:17:16 | |
Kenyan sovereignty, but the first step, but Kenyans want deep early to | 0:17:16 | 0:17:17 | |
step, but Kenyans want deep early to have | 0:17:17 | 0:17:21 | |
step, but Kenyans want deep early to have peace. 30 million | 0:17:21 | 0:17:21 | |
step, but Kenyans want deep early to have peace. 30 million Kenyans | 0:17:21 | 0:17:21 | |
step, but Kenyans want deep early to have peace. 30 million Kenyans spoke | 0:17:21 | 0:17:22 | |
have peace. 30 million Kenyans spoke | 0:17:22 | 0:17:24 | |
have peace. 30 million Kenyans spoke at the elections, and | 0:17:24 | 0:17:24 | |
have peace. 30 million Kenyans spoke at the elections, and decided they | 0:17:24 | 0:17:24 | |
at the elections, and decided they were | 0:17:24 | 0:17:25 | |
at the elections, and decided they were going to | 0:17:25 | 0:17:27 | |
at the elections, and decided they were going to elect | 0:17:27 | 0:17:27 | |
at the elections, and decided they were going to elect his | 0:17:27 | 0:17:28 | |
at the elections, and decided they were going to elect his Excellency | 0:17:28 | 0:17:28 | |
were going to elect his Excellency | 0:17:28 | 0:17:34 | |
were going to elect his Excellency as their president, . I | 0:17:34 | 0:17:34 | |
were going to elect his Excellency as their president, . I do | 0:17:34 | 0:17:34 | |
were going to elect his Excellency as their president, . I do not | 0:17:34 | 0:17:34 | |
as their president, . I do not | 0:17:34 | 0:17:35 | |
as their president, . I do not expect anybody | 0:17:35 | 0:17:35 | |
as their president, . I do not expect anybody asked | 0:17:35 | 0:17:35 | |
as their president, . I do not expect anybody asked to | 0:17:35 | 0:17:35 | |
as their president, . I do not expect anybody asked to speak | 0:17:35 | 0:17:35 | |
as their president, . I do not expect anybody asked to speak for | 0:17:35 | 0:17:36 | |
expect anybody asked to speak for | 0:17:36 | 0:17:37 | |
expect anybody asked to speak for Kenyans. They | 0:17:37 | 0:17:37 | |
expect anybody asked to speak for Kenyans. They can | 0:17:37 | 0:17:38 | |
expect anybody asked to speak for themselves, | 0:17:38 | 0:17:39 | |
expect anybody asked to speak for themselves, and | 0:17:39 | 0:17:39 | |
Kenyans. They can speak for themselves, and | 0:17:39 | 0:17:39 | |
Kenyans. They can speak for themselves, and that they have | 0:17:39 | 0:17:40 | |
themselves, and that they have | 0:17:40 | 0:17:40 | |
themselves, and that they have spoken loudly | 0:17:40 | 0:17:40 | |
themselves, and that they have spoken loudly and | 0:17:40 | 0:17:40 | |
themselves, and that they have spoken loudly and clearly. | 0:17:40 | 0:17:43 | |
themselves, and that they have spoken loudly and clearly. If one | 0:17:43 | 0:17:43 | |
spoken loudly and clearly. If one could | 0:17:43 | 0:17:44 | |
spoken loudly and clearly. If one could speak for | 0:17:44 | 0:17:44 | |
spoken loudly and clearly. If one could speak for Kenya, | 0:17:44 | 0:17:47 | |
could speak for Kenya, it doesn't could speak for Kenya, | 0:17:47 | 0:17:49 | |
could speak for Kenya, it doesn't mean... So | 0:17:49 | 0:17:50 | |
could speak for Kenya, it doesn't mean... So you are telling | 0:17:50 | 0:17:52 | |
could speak for Kenya, it doesn't mean... So you are telling us | 0:17:52 | 0:17:52 | |
could speak for Kenya, it doesn't mean... So you are telling us now | 0:17:52 | 0:17:54 | |
mean... So you are telling us now | 0:17:54 | 0:17:54 | |
mean... So you are telling us now that Kenya will | 0:17:54 | 0:17:54 | |
mean... So you are telling us now that Kenya will withdraw | 0:17:54 | 0:17:55 | |
mean... So you are telling us now that Kenya will withdraw from | 0:17:55 | 0:17:55 | |
mean... So you are telling us now that Kenya will withdraw from the | 0:17:55 | 0:17:55 | |
that Kenya will withdraw from the | 0:17:55 | 0:17:55 | |
that Kenya will withdraw from the ICC, and | 0:17:55 | 0:17:56 | |
that Kenya will withdraw from the ICC, and you are not worried | 0:17:56 | 0:17:58 | |
that Kenya will withdraw from the ICC, and you are not worried about | 0:17:58 | 0:17:59 | |
ICC, and you are not worried about | 0:17:59 | 0:17:59 | |
ICC, and you are not worried about Parliament taking | 0:17:59 | 0:18:00 | |
Parliament taking that decision, and Parliament taking | 0:18:00 | 0:18:00 | |
Parliament taking that decision, and you as | 0:18:00 | 0:18:04 | |
Parliament taking that decision, and you as Foreign Minister you're | 0:18:04 | 0:18:04 | |
Parliament taking that decision, and you as Foreign Minister you're not | 0:18:04 | 0:18:05 | |
you as Foreign Minister you're not | 0:18:05 | 0:18:06 | |
you as Foreign Minister you're not worried about this | 0:18:06 | 0:18:06 | |
you as Foreign Minister you're not worried about this effect | 0:18:06 | 0:18:07 | |
you as Foreign Minister you're not worried about this effect on | 0:18:07 | 0:18:07 | |
you as Foreign Minister you're not worried about this effect on your | 0:18:07 | 0:18:07 | |
worried about this effect on your | 0:18:07 | 0:18:11 | |
worried about this effect on your reputation? Countries do | 0:18:11 | 0:18:11 | |
worried about this effect on your reputation? Countries do withdraw | 0:18:11 | 0:18:12 | |
reputation? Countries do withdraw | 0:18:12 | 0:18:12 | |
reputation? Countries do withdraw from international instruments, | 0:18:12 | 0:18:13 | |
reputation? Countries do withdraw I | 0:18:13 | 0:18:13 | |
from international instruments, and I | 0:18:13 | 0:18:13 | |
from international instruments, and I can give you | 0:18:13 | 0:18:14 | |
from international instruments, and I can give you a whole list of | 0:18:14 | 0:18:15 | |
I can give you a whole list of | 0:18:15 | 0:18:15 | |
I can give you a whole list of countries that have | 0:18:15 | 0:18:15 | |
I can give you a whole list of countries that have withdrawn | 0:18:15 | 0:18:15 | |
I can give you a whole list of countries that have withdrawn from | 0:18:15 | 0:18:16 | |
countries that have withdrawn from | 0:18:16 | 0:18:16 | |
countries that have withdrawn from international instruments. | 0:18:16 | 0:18:21 | |
countries that have withdrawn from international instruments. If | 0:18:21 | 0:18:21 | |
countries that have withdrawn from international instruments. If it | 0:18:21 | 0:18:21 | |
international instruments. If it | 0:18:21 | 0:18:21 | |
international instruments. If it chose to | 0:18:21 | 0:18:23 | |
chose to withdraw, which is not the chose to | 0:18:23 | 0:18:25 | |
chose to withdraw, which is not the case right now. | 0:18:25 | 0:18:25 | |
chose to withdraw, which is not the case right now. We | 0:18:25 | 0:18:26 | |
chose to withdraw, which is not the case right now. We are co—operating | 0:18:26 | 0:18:26 | |
case right now. We are co—operating | 0:18:26 | 0:18:26 | |
case right now. We are co—operating and we are | 0:18:26 | 0:18:27 | |
case right now. We are co—operating and we are founding | 0:18:27 | 0:18:27 | |
case right now. We are co—operating and we are founding members | 0:18:27 | 0:18:28 | |
case right now. We are co—operating and we are founding members of | 0:18:28 | 0:18:28 | |
case right now. We are co—operating and we are founding members of the | 0:18:28 | 0:18:28 | |
and we are founding members of the | 0:18:28 | 0:18:29 | |
and we are founding members of the court. But if | 0:18:29 | 0:18:30 | |
and we are founding members of the court. But if it | 0:18:30 | 0:18:30 | |
and we are founding members of the court. But if it did happen, it | 0:18:30 | 0:18:31 | |
court. But if it did happen, it should | 0:18:31 | 0:18:31 | |
court. But if it did happen, it should not | 0:18:31 | 0:18:31 | |
court. But if it did happen, it should not be | 0:18:31 | 0:18:32 | |
court. But if it did happen, it should not be seen as | 0:18:32 | 0:18:32 | |
court. But if it did happen, it should not be seen as something | 0:18:32 | 0:18:32 | |
should not be seen as something | 0:18:32 | 0:18:32 | |
should not be seen as something happening outside | 0:18:32 | 0:18:33 | |
should not be seen as something happening outside the | 0:18:33 | 0:18:33 | |
should not be seen as something happening outside the norm. | 0:18:33 | 0:18:36 | |
should not be seen as something happening outside the norm. We | 0:18:36 | 0:18:40 | |
happening outside the norm. We saw that terrible violence. Has Kenya | 0:18:40 | 0:18:40 | |
that terrible violence. Has Kenya now, | 0:18:40 | 0:18:40 | |
that terrible violence. Has Kenya now, you talked | 0:18:40 | 0:18:44 | |
now, you talked about reconciliation, as it put that | 0:18:44 | 0:18:44 | |
reconciliation, as it put that | 0:18:44 | 0:18:44 | |
reconciliation, as it put that ethnic —based | 0:18:44 | 0:18:48 | |
ethnic —based hostility behind it? Absolutely. Kenyans | 0:18:48 | 0:18:52 | |
ethnic —based hostility behind it? in their millions. They stood in | 0:18:52 | 0:18:52 | |
in their millions. They stood in | 0:18:52 | 0:18:57 | |
line for long periods of time. They in their millions. They stood in | 0:18:57 | 0:18:58 | |
line for long periods of time. They came out at 18 years | 0:18:58 | 0:18:59 | |
came out at 18 years old, at a came out at 18 years | 0:18:59 | 0:19:00 | |
came out at 18 years old, at a hundred years old, | 0:19:00 | 0:19:00 | |
came out at 18 years old, at a hundred years old, because they | 0:19:00 | 0:19:05 | |
them. They knew that there was a new hundred years old, because they | 0:19:05 | 0:19:06 | |
them. They knew that there was a new dispensation, a new constitution. | 0:19:06 | 0:19:14 | |
Kenyans have confidence in their dispensation, a new constitution. | 0:19:14 | 0:19:15 | |
country, and they have hope going forward | 0:19:15 | 0:19:15 | |
country, and they have hope going forward that | 0:19:15 | 0:19:15 | |
country, and they have hope going forward that everything | 0:19:15 | 0:19:16 | |
country, and they have hope going forward that everything will be | 0:19:16 | 0:19:16 | |
country, and they have hope going forward that everything will be OK. | 0:19:16 | 0:19:19 | |
country, and they have hope going But | 0:19:19 | 0:19:19 | |
country, and they have hope going But they | 0:19:19 | 0:19:19 | |
country, and they have hope going But they want | 0:19:19 | 0:19:19 | |
forward that everything will be OK. But they want | 0:19:19 | 0:19:20 | |
forward that everything will be OK. But they want the accountability. | 0:19:20 | 0:19:22 | |
But they want the accountability. | 0:19:22 | 0:19:23 | |
But they want the accountability. They were traumatised | 0:19:23 | 0:19:24 | |
But they want the accountability. violence. | 0:19:24 | 0:19:24 | |
They were traumatised by that violence. | 0:19:24 | 0:19:25 | |
They were traumatised by that violence. They want to know | 0:19:25 | 0:19:25 | |
They were traumatised by that violence. They want to know who | 0:19:25 | 0:19:26 | |
violence. They want to know who is violence. They want to know who | 0:19:26 | 0:19:26 | |
violence. They want to know who is going to | 0:19:26 | 0:19:27 | |
violence. They want to know who is going to stand and be | 0:19:27 | 0:19:27 | |
violence. They want to know who is going to stand and be tried | 0:19:27 | 0:19:27 | |
violence. They want to know who is going to stand and be tried for | 0:19:27 | 0:19:27 | |
going to stand and be tried for | 0:19:27 | 0:19:29 | |
going to stand and be tried for that. | 0:19:29 | 0:19:30 | |
going to stand and be tried for that. Countries | 0:19:30 | 0:19:30 | |
going to stand and be tried for that. Countries deal with these | 0:19:30 | 0:19:31 | |
that. Countries deal with these | 0:19:31 | 0:19:31 | |
that. Countries deal with these issues differently. | 0:19:31 | 0:19:33 | |
that. Countries deal with these issues differently. Ireland, | 0:19:33 | 0:19:33 | |
that. Countries deal with these issues differently. Ireland, there | 0:19:33 | 0:19:33 | |
issues differently. Ireland, there were | 0:19:33 | 0:19:34 | |
issues differently. Ireland, there were atrocities committed | 0:19:34 | 0:19:36 | |
were atrocities committed there, were atrocities committed | 0:19:36 | 0:19:37 | |
were atrocities committed there, they sat around | 0:19:37 | 0:19:37 | |
were atrocities committed there, they sat around a | 0:19:37 | 0:19:38 | |
were atrocities committed there, they sat around a table, they | 0:19:38 | 0:19:38 | |
were atrocities committed there, they sat around a table, they had | 0:19:38 | 0:19:38 | |
they sat around a table, they had | 0:19:38 | 0:19:39 | |
they sat around a table, they had truth and | 0:19:39 | 0:19:41 | |
they sat around a table, they had truth and reconciliation. So | 0:19:41 | 0:19:41 | |
they sat around a table, they had truth and reconciliation. So that | 0:19:41 | 0:19:41 | |
they sat around a table, they had truth and reconciliation. So that is | 0:19:41 | 0:19:42 | |
truth and reconciliation. So that is | 0:19:42 | 0:19:47 | |
truth and reconciliation. So that is the alternative? Are you | 0:19:47 | 0:19:47 | |
truth and reconciliation. So that is the alternative? Are you telling | 0:19:47 | 0:19:48 | |
truth and reconciliation. So that is the alternative? Are you telling me | 0:19:48 | 0:19:48 | |
the alternative? Are you telling me that | 0:19:48 | 0:19:48 | |
the alternative? Are you telling me that the violence | 0:19:48 | 0:19:49 | |
the alternative? Are you telling me that the violence that | 0:19:49 | 0:19:49 | |
the alternative? Are you telling me that the violence that was | 0:19:49 | 0:19:50 | |
the alternative? Are you telling me that the violence that was committed | 0:19:50 | 0:19:50 | |
that the violence that was committed | 0:19:50 | 0:19:50 | |
that the violence that was committed there was | 0:19:50 | 0:19:50 | |
that the violence that was committed there was less | 0:19:50 | 0:19:51 | |
that the violence that was committed there was less than | 0:19:51 | 0:19:51 | |
that the violence that was committed there was less than ours? | 0:19:51 | 0:19:52 | |
that the violence that was committed there was less than ours? By you | 0:19:52 | 0:19:52 | |
there was less than ours? By you | 0:19:52 | 0:19:52 | |
there was less than ours? By you telling us | 0:19:52 | 0:19:54 | |
there was less than ours? By you telling us that the lives of South | 0:19:54 | 0:19:55 | |
telling us that the lives of South | 0:19:55 | 0:19:55 | |
telling us that the lives of South Africans are less | 0:19:55 | 0:19:55 | |
telling us that the lives of South Africans are less than | 0:19:55 | 0:19:55 | |
telling us that the lives of South Africans are less than ours? | 0:19:55 | 0:19:57 | |
telling us that the lives of South Africans are less than ours? And | 0:19:57 | 0:19:57 | |
telling us that the lives of South Africans are less than ours? And you | 0:19:57 | 0:19:57 | |
Africans are less than ours? And you | 0:19:57 | 0:19:58 | |
Africans are less than ours? And you are saying | 0:19:58 | 0:19:59 | |
Africans are less than ours? And you are saying that Kenya | 0:19:59 | 0:20:00 | |
Africans are less than ours? And you are saying that Kenya has put | 0:20:00 | 0:20:00 | |
Africans are less than ours? And you are saying that Kenya has put this | 0:20:00 | 0:20:00 | |
are saying that Kenya has put this hostility | 0:20:00 | 0:20:00 | |
are saying that Kenya has put this hostility behind | 0:20:00 | 0:20:00 | |
are saying that Kenya has put this hostility behind it, | 0:20:00 | 0:20:02 | |
are saying that Kenya has put this hostility behind it, and I | 0:20:02 | 0:20:02 | |
are saying that Kenya has put this hostility behind it, and I say | 0:20:02 | 0:20:02 | |
are saying that Kenya has put this hostility behind it, and I say you | 0:20:02 | 0:20:03 | |
hostility behind it, and I say you | 0:20:03 | 0:20:03 | |
hostility behind it, and I say you are to | 0:20:03 | 0:20:03 | |
hostility behind it, and I say you are to optimistic about | 0:20:03 | 0:20:09 | |
hostility behind it, and I say you are to optimistic about that. A | 0:20:09 | 0:20:09 | |
are to optimistic about that. A writer | 0:20:09 | 0:20:09 | |
are to optimistic about that. A writer said recently | 0:20:09 | 0:20:11 | |
are to optimistic about that. A challenge | 0:20:11 | 0:20:11 | |
are to optimistic about that. A challenge to | 0:20:11 | 0:20:11 | |
are to optimistic about that. A challenge to democracy | 0:20:11 | 0:20:12 | |
writer said recently that the challenge to democracy | 0:20:12 | 0:20:12 | |
writer said recently that the challenge to democracy is not | 0:20:12 | 0:20:12 | |
writer said recently that the challenge to democracy is not ethnic | 0:20:12 | 0:20:12 | |
challenge to democracy is not ethnic | 0:20:12 | 0:20:13 | |
challenge to democracy is not ethnic diversity, it | 0:20:13 | 0:20:13 | |
challenge to democracy is not ethnic diversity, it is the | 0:20:13 | 0:20:13 | |
challenge to democracy is not ethnic diversity, it is the use | 0:20:13 | 0:20:14 | |
challenge to democracy is not ethnic diversity, it is the use of | 0:20:14 | 0:20:14 | |
challenge to democracy is not ethnic diversity, it is the use of identity | 0:20:14 | 0:20:16 | |
diversity, it is the use of identity | 0:20:16 | 0:20:16 | |
diversity, it is the use of identity politics to promote tribal | 0:20:16 | 0:20:16 | |
diversity, it is the use of identity interests. | 0:20:16 | 0:20:17 | |
diversity, it is the use of identity interests. You | 0:20:17 | 0:20:18 | |
politics to promote tribal interests. You | 0:20:18 | 0:20:19 | |
politics to promote tribal interests. You deal —— | 0:20:19 | 0:20:19 | |
politics to promote tribal interests. You deal —— you | 0:20:19 | 0:20:19 | |
politics to promote tribal interests. You deal —— you still | 0:20:19 | 0:20:20 | |
politics to promote tribal interests. You deal —— you still do | 0:20:20 | 0:20:20 | |
interests. You deal —— you still do | 0:20:20 | 0:20:29 | |
interests. You deal —— you still do have that. Absolutely. It is about | 0:20:29 | 0:20:30 | |
have that. Absolutely. It is about | 0:20:30 | 0:20:30 | |
have that. Absolutely. It is about democracy, it is | 0:20:30 | 0:20:31 | |
have that. Absolutely. It is about democracy, it is about the | 0:20:31 | 0:20:31 | |
have that. Absolutely. It is about democracy, it is about the majority | 0:20:31 | 0:20:31 | |
democracy, it is about the majority | 0:20:31 | 0:20:33 | |
democracy, it is about the majority voting. It | 0:20:33 | 0:20:34 | |
democracy, it is about the majority voting. It is not | 0:20:34 | 0:20:34 | |
democracy, it is about the majority voting. It is not only for | 0:20:34 | 0:20:34 | |
democracy, it is about the majority voting. It is not only for Kenya. | 0:20:34 | 0:20:36 | |
voting. It is not only for Kenya. Look at the | 0:20:36 | 0:20:36 | |
voting. It is not only for Kenya. Look at the elections | 0:20:36 | 0:20:36 | |
voting. It is not only for Kenya. Look at the elections anywhere | 0:20:36 | 0:20:37 | |
voting. It is not only for Kenya. Look at the elections anywhere else. | 0:20:37 | 0:20:38 | |
Look at the elections anywhere else. I | 0:20:38 | 0:20:38 | |
Look at the elections anywhere else. I lived | 0:20:38 | 0:20:39 | |
Look at the elections anywhere else. I lived in Switzerland for a | 0:20:39 | 0:20:39 | |
Look at the elections anywhere else. I lived in Switzerland for a very | 0:20:39 | 0:20:39 | |
I lived in Switzerland for a very long | 0:20:39 | 0:20:42 | |
I lived in Switzerland for a very long time. People still | 0:20:42 | 0:20:43 | |
I lived in Switzerland for a very long time. People still identify | 0:20:43 | 0:20:43 | |
long time. People still identify | 0:20:43 | 0:20:44 | |
long time. People still identify themselves as French and German | 0:20:44 | 0:20:47 | |
themselves as French and German and themselves as French and German | 0:20:47 | 0:20:48 | |
themselves as French and German and Italian. When you | 0:20:48 | 0:20:48 | |
themselves as French and German and Italian. When you talk | 0:20:48 | 0:20:56 | |
it is about Africa. He says leaders often exploit | 0:20:56 | 0:20:57 | |
it is about Africa. He says leaders often exploit tribal loyalty to | 0:20:57 | 0:20:58 | |
often exploit tribal loyalty to advance | 0:20:58 | 0:20:58 | |
often exploit tribal loyalty to advance personal game, | 0:20:58 | 0:20:58 | |
often exploit tribal loyalty to advance personal game, patronage | 0:20:58 | 0:20:58 | |
often exploit tribal loyalty to advance personal game, patronage and | 0:20:58 | 0:20:59 | |
advance personal game, patronage and | 0:20:59 | 0:21:01 | |
advance personal game, patronage and cronyism. | 0:21:01 | 0:21:02 | |
advance personal game, patronage and cronyism. That is true | 0:21:02 | 0:21:02 | |
advance personal game, patronage and cronyism. That is true of many | 0:21:02 | 0:21:02 | |
advance personal game, patronage and cronyism. That is true of many other | 0:21:02 | 0:21:02 | |
cronyism. That is true of many other | 0:21:02 | 0:21:04 | |
cronyism. That is true of many other countries. | 0:21:04 | 0:21:05 | |
cronyism. That is true of many other countries. So it is | 0:21:05 | 0:21:06 | |
cronyism. That is true of many other countries. So it is true | 0:21:06 | 0:21:06 | |
cronyism. That is true of many other countries. So it is true of Kenya? | 0:21:06 | 0:21:08 | |
countries. So it is true of Kenya? Look | 0:21:08 | 0:21:08 | |
countries. So it is true of Kenya? Look at the | 0:21:08 | 0:21:08 | |
countries. So it is true of Kenya? Look at the people | 0:21:08 | 0:21:09 | |
countries. So it is true of Kenya? Look at the people who | 0:21:09 | 0:21:09 | |
countries. So it is true of Kenya? Look at the people who voted in | 0:21:09 | 0:21:09 | |
countries. So it is true of Kenya? Look at the people who voted in our | 0:21:09 | 0:21:09 | |
countries. So it is true of Kenya? elections, | 0:21:09 | 0:21:10 | |
Look at the people who voted in our elections, | 0:21:10 | 0:21:10 | |
Look at the people who voted in our elections, and tell | 0:21:10 | 0:21:10 | |
Look at the people who voted in our elections, and tell me | 0:21:10 | 0:21:11 | |
Look at the people who voted in our elections, and tell me that. | 0:21:11 | 0:21:12 | |
Look at the people who voted in our elections, and tell me that. They | 0:21:12 | 0:21:14 | |
elections, and tell me that. They came from across the country, the | 0:21:14 | 0:21:26 | |
manifesto that was being put across. Rome was not | 0:21:26 | 0:21:26 | |
manifesto that was being put across. Rome was not built | 0:21:26 | 0:21:26 | |
manifesto that was being put across. Rome was not built in | 0:21:26 | 0:21:26 | |
manifesto that was being put across. Rome was not built in a day. | 0:21:26 | 0:21:28 | |
manifesto that was being put across. Rome was not built in a day. We're | 0:21:28 | 0:21:28 | |
manifesto that was being put across. going | 0:21:28 | 0:21:28 | |
Rome was not built in a day. We're going | 0:21:28 | 0:21:29 | |
Rome was not built in a day. We're going to be making progress. | 0:21:29 | 0:21:31 | |
Rome was not built in a day. We're going to be making progress. We | 0:21:31 | 0:21:32 | |
going to be making progress. We want going to be making progress. We | 0:21:32 | 0:21:32 | |
going to be making progress. We want to make | 0:21:32 | 0:21:33 | |
going to be making progress. We want to make that progress | 0:21:33 | 0:21:35 | |
going to be making progress. We want to make that progress ourselves. | 0:21:35 | 0:21:36 | |
to make that progress ourselves. We to make that progress ourselves. | 0:21:36 | 0:21:36 | |
to make that progress ourselves. We want to | 0:21:36 | 0:21:36 | |
to make that progress ourselves. We want to make | 0:21:36 | 0:21:36 | |
to make that progress ourselves. We want to make our | 0:21:36 | 0:21:36 | |
to make that progress ourselves. We want to make our mistakes | 0:21:36 | 0:21:37 | |
to make that progress ourselves. We want to make our mistakes and | 0:21:37 | 0:21:37 | |
to make that progress ourselves. We correct | 0:21:37 | 0:21:37 | |
want to make our mistakes and correct | 0:21:37 | 0:21:37 | |
want to make our mistakes and correct them ourselves. | 0:21:37 | 0:21:39 | |
want to make our mistakes and correct them ourselves. We | 0:21:39 | 0:21:39 | |
want to make our mistakes and correct them ourselves. We don't | 0:21:39 | 0:21:40 | |
correct them ourselves. We don't | 0:21:40 | 0:21:40 | |
correct them ourselves. We don't want fingers | 0:21:40 | 0:21:40 | |
correct them ourselves. We don't want fingers pointed | 0:21:40 | 0:21:41 | |
correct them ourselves. We don't want fingers pointed at | 0:21:41 | 0:21:41 | |
correct them ourselves. We don't want fingers pointed at us | 0:21:41 | 0:21:41 | |
correct them ourselves. We don't want fingers pointed at us every | 0:21:41 | 0:21:41 | |
want fingers pointed at us every | 0:21:41 | 0:21:41 | |
want fingers pointed at us every time something | 0:21:41 | 0:21:44 | |
want fingers pointed at us every time something goes wrong. | 0:21:44 | 0:21:46 | |
want fingers pointed at us every time something goes wrong. Africa | 0:21:46 | 0:21:46 | |
time something goes wrong. Africa | 0:21:46 | 0:21:46 | |
time something goes wrong. Africa does not | 0:21:46 | 0:21:46 | |
time something goes wrong. Africa does not have | 0:21:46 | 0:21:47 | |
time something goes wrong. Africa does not have a | 0:21:47 | 0:21:47 | |
time something goes wrong. Africa violence. | 0:21:47 | 0:21:49 | |
does not have a monopoly on violence. | 0:21:49 | 0:21:49 | |
does not have a monopoly on violence. It doesn't | 0:21:49 | 0:21:49 | |
does not have a monopoly on violence. It doesn't have | 0:21:49 | 0:21:49 | |
does not have a monopoly on violence. It doesn't have a | 0:21:49 | 0:21:50 | |
does not have a monopoly on violence. It doesn't have a monopoly | 0:21:50 | 0:21:50 | |
violence. It doesn't have a monopoly of | 0:21:50 | 0:21:50 | |
violence. It doesn't have a monopoly of bad leadership. | 0:21:50 | 0:21:52 | |
violence. It doesn't have a monopoly of bad leadership. That | 0:21:52 | 0:21:52 | |
violence. It doesn't have a monopoly of bad leadership. That is shared | 0:21:52 | 0:21:53 | |
of bad leadership. That is shared | 0:21:53 | 0:21:53 | |
of bad leadership. That is shared across the world, | 0:21:53 | 0:21:53 | |
of bad leadership. That is shared across the world, and | 0:21:53 | 0:21:54 | |
of bad leadership. That is shared across the world, and I | 0:21:54 | 0:21:54 | |
of bad leadership. That is shared across the world, and I can give | 0:21:54 | 0:21:54 | |
of bad leadership. That is shared across the world, and I can give you | 0:21:54 | 0:21:55 | |
across the world, and I can give you | 0:21:55 | 0:21:55 | |
across the world, and I can give you many examples | 0:21:55 | 0:21:55 | |
across the world, and I can give you many examples of other | 0:21:55 | 0:21:56 | |
across the world, and I can give you many examples of other parts | 0:21:56 | 0:21:56 | |
across the world, and I can give you many examples of other parts of | 0:21:56 | 0:21:56 | |
many examples of other parts of the many examples of other parts of | 0:21:56 | 0:21:56 | |
many examples of other parts of the world where | 0:21:56 | 0:21:57 | |
many examples of other parts of the world where this happens. | 0:21:57 | 0:21:58 | |
many examples of other parts of the world where this happens. What | 0:21:58 | 0:21:59 | |
many examples of other parts of the world where this happens. What is | 0:21:59 | 0:21:59 | |
world where this happens. What is | 0:21:59 | 0:21:59 | |
world where this happens. What is going to | 0:21:59 | 0:22:00 | |
world where this happens. What is going to happen to you | 0:22:00 | 0:22:01 | |
world where this happens. What is going to happen to you now. You | 0:22:01 | 0:22:02 | |
world where this happens. What is part | 0:22:02 | 0:22:02 | |
world where this happens. What is part of | 0:22:02 | 0:22:02 | |
world where this happens. What is part of a | 0:22:02 | 0:22:03 | |
going to happen to you now. You are part of a | 0:22:03 | 0:22:03 | |
going to happen to you now. You are part of a government where your | 0:22:03 | 0:22:03 | |
part of a government where your | 0:22:03 | 0:22:04 | |
part of a government where your president is apparently | 0:22:04 | 0:22:04 | |
part of a government where your president is apparently going | 0:22:04 | 0:22:04 | |
part of a government where your president is apparently going to | 0:22:04 | 0:22:05 | |
part of a government where your president is apparently going to be | 0:22:05 | 0:22:05 | |
president is apparently going to be | 0:22:05 | 0:22:05 | |
president is apparently going to be giving evidence | 0:22:05 | 0:22:06 | |
president is apparently going to be giving evidence via a video | 0:22:06 | 0:22:06 | |
president is apparently going to be giving evidence via a video link | 0:22:06 | 0:22:06 | |
president is apparently going to be giving evidence via a video link in | 0:22:06 | 0:22:06 | |
giving evidence via a video link in | 0:22:06 | 0:22:08 | |
giving evidence via a video link in November. Your | 0:22:08 | 0:22:08 | |
giving evidence via a video link in November. Your vice | 0:22:08 | 0:22:09 | |
giving evidence via a video link in November. Your vice president | 0:22:09 | 0:22:09 | |
giving evidence via a video link in November. Your vice president is | 0:22:09 | 0:22:10 | |
November. Your vice president is giving | 0:22:10 | 0:22:11 | |
November. Your vice president is giving evidence at the Hague. | 0:22:11 | 0:22:13 | |
November. Your vice president is giving evidence at the Hague. How | 0:22:13 | 0:22:14 | |
giving evidence at the Hague. How can | 0:22:14 | 0:22:14 | |
giving evidence at the Hague. How can these two | 0:22:14 | 0:22:14 | |
giving evidence at the Hague. How can these two men | 0:22:14 | 0:22:15 | |
giving evidence at the Hague. How can these two men take care of | 0:22:15 | 0:22:15 | |
giving evidence at the Hague. How can these two men take care of the | 0:22:15 | 0:22:16 | |
can these two men take care of the | 0:22:16 | 0:22:16 | |
can these two men take care of the day—to—day process of running | 0:22:16 | 0:22:16 | |
can these two men take care of the day—to—day process of running a | 0:22:16 | 0:22:17 | |
day—to—day process of running a | 0:22:17 | 0:22:18 | |
day—to—day process of running a country. They | 0:22:18 | 0:22:19 | |
day—to—day process of running a country. They are. | 0:22:19 | 0:22:21 | |
day—to—day process of running a country. They are. They | 0:22:21 | 0:22:21 | |
day—to—day process of running a country. They are. They haven't | 0:22:21 | 0:22:21 | |
country. They are. They haven't been country. They are. They haven't | 0:22:21 | 0:22:21 | |
country. They are. They haven't been found wanting. | 0:22:21 | 0:22:23 | |
country. They are. They haven't been found wanting. But it | 0:22:23 | 0:22:23 | |
country. They are. They haven't been found wanting. But it is disruptive. | 0:22:23 | 0:22:25 | |
found wanting. But it is disruptive. | 0:22:25 | 0:22:26 | |
found wanting. But it is disruptive. It is annoying more than disruptive. | 0:22:26 | 0:22:32 | |
It is annoying more than disruptive. That | 0:22:32 | 0:22:32 | |
It is annoying more than disruptive. That is what | 0:22:32 | 0:22:32 | |
It is annoying more than disruptive. That is what Africans | 0:22:32 | 0:22:33 | |
It is annoying more than disruptive. That is what Africans told me across | 0:22:33 | 0:22:33 | |
That is what Africans told me across | 0:22:33 | 0:22:33 | |
That is what Africans told me across the board | 0:22:33 | 0:22:34 | |
That is what Africans told me across the board when they saw | 0:22:34 | 0:22:35 | |
That is what Africans told me across the board when they saw made deputy | 0:22:35 | 0:22:35 | |
the board when they saw made deputy | 0:22:35 | 0:22:35 | |
the board when they saw made deputy president in | 0:22:35 | 0:22:39 | |
the board when they saw made deputy president in a courtroom. In a | 0:22:39 | 0:22:39 | |
the board when they saw made deputy president in a courtroom. In a way, | 0:22:39 | 0:22:39 | |
president in a courtroom. In a way, | 0:22:39 | 0:22:39 | |
president in a courtroom. In a way, it reminded | 0:22:39 | 0:22:39 | |
president in a courtroom. In a way, it reminded them | 0:22:39 | 0:22:40 | |
president in a courtroom. In a way, it reminded them of days gone by. | 0:22:40 | 0:22:46 | |
president in a courtroom. In a way, it reminded them of days gone by. We | 0:22:46 | 0:22:46 | |
it reminded them of days gone by. We | 0:22:46 | 0:22:46 | |
it reminded them of days gone by. We don't have | 0:22:46 | 0:22:50 | |
it reminded them of days gone by. We don't have a deficit of leadership. | 0:22:50 | 0:22:55 | |
don't have a deficit of leadership. | 0:22:55 | 0:22:56 | |
don't have a deficit of leadership. efficiently. | 0:22:56 | 0:22:58 | |
Countries run effectively and efficiently. | 0:22:58 | 0:23:00 | |
Countries run effectively and efficiently. He is at home. | 0:23:00 | 0:23:06 | |
efficiently. He is at home. If the efficiently. He is at home. | 0:23:06 | 0:23:06 | |
efficiently. He is at home. If the court doesn't decide to dismiss | 0:23:06 | 0:23:08 | |
efficiently. He is at home. If the cases, which | 0:23:08 | 0:23:08 | |
court doesn't decide to dismiss the cases, which | 0:23:08 | 0:23:08 | |
court doesn't decide to dismiss the cases, which should be | 0:23:08 | 0:23:11 | |
cases, which should be the right thing to do, because as I told you, | 0:23:11 | 0:23:12 | |
thing to do, because as I told you, | 0:23:12 | 0:23:12 | |
thing to do, because as I told you, the pot | 0:23:12 | 0:23:14 | |
thing to do, because as I told you, the pot of evidence, it is the | 0:23:14 | 0:23:14 | |
thing to do, because as I told you, the pot of evidence, it is the same | 0:23:14 | 0:23:14 | |
the pot of evidence, it is the same | 0:23:14 | 0:23:15 | |
the pot of evidence, it is the same the | 0:23:15 | 0:23:16 | |
the pot of evidence, it is the same the other | 0:23:16 | 0:23:16 | |
three already dismissed, and we hope the other | 0:23:16 | 0:23:20 | |
the other three will be dismissed shortly, so the | 0:23:20 | 0:23:21 | |
shortly, so the ICC can look like a shortly, so the | 0:23:21 | 0:23:24 | |
shortly, so the ICC can look like a credible and legitimate court with | 0:23:24 | 0:23:26 | |
credible and legitimate court with legitimate | 0:23:26 | 0:23:30 | |
legitimate procedures. We have to legitimate | 0:23:30 | 0:23:34 | |
leave it there. The Foreign Minister of Kenya, | 0:23:34 | 0:23:34 | |
leave it there. The Foreign Minister of Kenya, thank | 0:23:34 | 0:23:34 | |
leave it there. The Foreign Minister of Kenya, thank you | 0:23:34 | 0:23:35 | |
leave it there. The Foreign Minister of Kenya, thank you for joining | 0:23:35 | 0:23:50 |