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Now on BBC News it's time for HARDtalk. | 0:00:00 | 0:00:02 | |
Slobdan Milosevic is in The Hague, facing the most serious charge | 0:00:07 | 0:00:12 | |
on the planet, genocide. | 0:00:12 | 0:00:14 | |
Here in Belgrade, his wife protests his innocence. | 0:00:14 | 0:00:18 | |
Who does she think was responsible for the thousands of forced | 0:00:18 | 0:00:21 | |
deportations and the mass murders, and does she expect her husband one | 0:00:21 | 0:00:24 | |
day to come home? | 0:00:24 | 0:00:27 | |
Mira Markovic, welcome to the programme. | 0:00:31 | 0:00:35 | |
When you saw your husband recently, in the Hague, | 0:00:36 | 0:00:38 | |
and you celebrated his birthday, did you tell him that everything | 0:00:38 | 0:00:41 | |
was going to be OK in the end? | 0:00:41 | 0:00:45 | |
What did you tell him? | 0:00:47 | 0:00:48 | |
Has he accepted his fate? | 0:00:56 | 0:00:58 | |
Whatever the international criminal court decides it to be, | 0:01:00 | 0:01:03 | |
will he accept it? | 0:01:03 | 0:01:05 | |
But he is going to be tried by the tribunal, isn't he? | 0:01:34 | 0:01:37 | |
Whatever public opinion has to say about it. | 0:01:38 | 0:01:40 | |
But you would accept that the court has been set up with the authority | 0:01:52 | 0:01:56 | |
of the UN Security Council, and your husband accepted that under | 0:01:56 | 0:01:59 | |
the Dayton Agreement, which he signed in 1995. | 0:01:59 | 0:02:01 | |
Why does he now say that the court is illegal? | 0:02:02 | 0:02:03 | |
Mrs Markovic, why is that a lie? | 0:02:06 | 0:02:10 | |
What he actually signed up to, which is in the Dayton Agreement, | 0:02:29 | 0:02:33 | |
is that the parties agreed to co-operate fully with all | 0:02:33 | 0:02:40 | |
entities, including those authorised by the UN Security Council, | 0:02:40 | 0:02:43 | |
in investigating and prosecuting war crimes and other violations | 0:02:43 | 0:02:45 | |
of international humanitarian law. | 0:02:45 | 0:02:46 | |
He signed a document which included that provision. | 0:02:46 | 0:02:48 | |
So why is the court, I ask you, illegal? | 0:02:48 | 0:02:52 | |
I am puzzled by your answers. | 0:02:54 | 0:02:56 | |
I am puzzled by your answers. | 0:03:12 | 0:03:15 | |
I understood that you wanted to do this interview and you wished | 0:03:25 | 0:03:29 | |
to reply to the questions that we, in the name of the BBC, | 0:03:29 | 0:03:32 | |
are putting towards you, am I not right in that understanding? | 0:03:32 | 0:03:35 | |
Can we go back to the time in March, when your husband was arrested. | 0:04:02 | 0:04:08 | |
How worried were you for his safety when he was arrested? | 0:04:09 | 0:04:12 | |
He had a gun with him at the time, were you afraid that he would use | 0:05:15 | 0:05:19 | |
it on himself? | 0:05:19 | 0:05:20 | |
And he's quoted as saying things like, "You will think differently | 0:05:25 | 0:05:28 | |
of me after I'm gone". | 0:05:28 | 0:05:30 | |
There was no danger that he was going to commit suicide? | 0:05:30 | 0:05:32 | |
How much did you influence your husband politically? | 0:05:39 | 0:05:42 | |
Dusan Mitevic said that you were the one with ambition, | 0:05:52 | 0:05:56 | |
you inspired him, he only wanted to be great in your eyes, | 0:05:56 | 0:05:59 | |
is that true? | 0:05:59 | 0:06:00 | |
It's not true at all? | 0:06:01 | 0:06:04 | |
No, but these are friends. | 0:06:11 | 0:06:15 | |
General Stefan Markovic, he said that you write the speeches, | 0:06:24 | 0:06:30 | |
and that your husband memorises and repeats them. | 0:06:30 | 0:06:34 | |
Is that true or not? | 0:06:34 | 0:06:35 | |
Let me ask you about a quote that was attributed | 0:06:41 | 0:06:45 | |
to you in the magazine Globus, saying you were angry | 0:06:45 | 0:06:49 | |
with your husband at the elections - he should have asked | 0:06:50 | 0:06:52 | |
for guarantees of safety. | 0:06:53 | 0:06:53 | |
Slobodan didn't ask for anything, it seems. | 0:06:53 | 0:06:56 | |
Did you say that, were you angry with him that he didn't ask | 0:06:56 | 0:06:59 | |
for guarantees after the election? | 0:06:59 | 0:07:02 | |
This is a quote in Globus magazine, attributed to you. | 0:07:02 | 0:07:04 | |
So you don't recognise any of these statements at all? | 0:07:18 | 0:07:20 | |
Tell me, Mrs Markovic, was your husband under | 0:07:36 | 0:07:40 | |
the impression that he had made a deal with Richard Holbrooke, | 0:07:40 | 0:07:44 | |
he would not be prosecuted by the international tribunal? | 0:07:44 | 0:07:46 | |
And he never shared his impressions of any of these statesmen with you? | 0:08:45 | 0:08:56 | |
Not even when he met Clinton, at the signing of the Dayton | 0:08:57 | 0:09:00 | |
Agreement? | 0:09:00 | 0:09:01 | |
Did he always believe that it was possible to make a deal | 0:09:10 | 0:09:14 | |
with western countries, and avoid the bombing of Yugoslavia? | 0:09:14 | 0:09:19 | |
Not his policy of having a greater Serbia at any cost, | 0:10:24 | 0:10:27 | |
which is what the west says about him? | 0:10:27 | 0:10:30 | |
That is how his policy was seen in the West, wasn't it? | 0:10:33 | 0:10:35 | |
But he started off by supporting Radovan Karadzic | 0:10:45 | 0:10:47 | |
and Ratko Mladic, didn't he? | 0:10:47 | 0:10:49 | |
He supported them and he helped them with funds. | 0:10:49 | 0:10:51 | |
He has admitted to that. | 0:10:51 | 0:10:55 | |
So why did he fall out with Karadzic and Mladic? | 0:11:09 | 0:11:12 | |
Why did he stop supporting them? | 0:11:12 | 0:11:16 | |
Mrs Markovic, what do you say to those people who don't | 0:11:26 | 0:11:29 | |
accept your truth? | 0:11:29 | 0:11:33 | |
Who look at the trail of blood across the Balkans over the last few | 0:11:33 | 0:11:36 | |
years, look at the mass murders, the forced deportations, | 0:11:36 | 0:11:39 | |
the rape, the torture and don't believe you, | 0:11:39 | 0:11:41 | |
what do you say to those people who don't believe you? | 0:11:41 | 0:11:47 | |
The West is responsible for all the bodies, Mrs Markovic - | 0:12:10 | 0:12:13 | |
no, isn't the west responsible? | 0:12:13 | 0:12:15 | |
Mrs Markovic, don't you accept any responsibility? | 0:12:15 | 0:12:17 | |
Mrs Markovic, don't you accept any responsibility? | 0:12:37 | 0:12:38 | |
So the west is responsible for the mass graves, | 0:13:05 | 0:13:07 | |
the the west is responsible for the places of internment | 0:13:07 | 0:13:10 | |
and torture, the west is responsible for the rape, | 0:13:10 | 0:13:12 | |
the west is responsible for the forced deportations of tens | 0:13:12 | 0:13:15 | |
of thousands of people across the Balkans? | 0:13:15 | 0:13:22 | |
People are not going to believe you, Mrs Markovic. | 0:13:22 | 0:13:25 | |
People are not going to believe you. | 0:13:25 | 0:13:26 | |
They have seen the pictures. | 0:13:26 | 0:13:29 | |
They have seen the forced deportations of people, | 0:13:29 | 0:13:31 | |
for the first time since the Second World War. | 0:13:31 | 0:13:40 | |
Didn't those pictures touch you, as a human being? | 0:13:40 | 0:13:43 | |
Did they touch you? | 0:13:43 | 0:13:47 | |
Serbian investigators themselves are talking about the discovery | 0:14:26 | 0:14:28 | |
of more than a thousand bodies shipped to Serbia in refrigerated | 0:14:28 | 0:14:31 | |
trucks, from Kosovo. | 0:14:31 | 0:14:32 | |
These are not bodies that go back a long way. | 0:14:32 | 0:14:38 | |
These are fresh bodies, victims of the war in Kosovo, | 0:14:38 | 0:14:40 | |
whose existence was meant to be covered up. | 0:14:40 | 0:14:43 | |
These are being investigated now, by Serbian investigators. | 0:14:43 | 0:14:45 | |
So why are mass graves turning up in Batajnica, | 0:14:45 | 0:14:48 | |
a suburb of Belgrade, of Petrovo Selo in eastern Serbia? | 0:14:48 | 0:14:55 | |
If this is all manufactured, why are these graves | 0:15:21 | 0:15:24 | |
turning up here now? | 0:15:24 | 0:15:26 | |
Mrs Milosevic, these are vital questions. | 0:15:52 | 0:15:55 | |
Even the President says he is ashamed of some of the things | 0:15:55 | 0:15:58 | |
that Serbs have done. | 0:15:58 | 0:16:02 | |
You don't share his shame? | 0:16:02 | 0:16:08 | |
Your husband... | 0:17:03 | 0:17:03 | |
Mrs Markovic... | 0:17:03 | 0:17:15 | |
Your husband, Mrs Milosevic, faces some of the most serious | 0:17:15 | 0:17:18 | |
charges on the planet, the charges of genocide. | 0:17:18 | 0:17:20 | |
Why are there no members of the United Nations | 0:17:20 | 0:17:23 | |
who are protesting at these charges, no members of the Security Council, | 0:17:23 | 0:17:26 | |
Russia is not protesting, nobody is protesting | 0:17:26 | 0:17:28 | |
that he is held illegally? | 0:17:28 | 0:17:30 | |
Only you and your husband. | 0:17:30 | 0:17:32 | |
Why is that? | 0:17:32 | 0:17:35 | |
The Serbian Prime Minister, Mrs Markovic, says that you too | 0:17:51 | 0:17:53 | |
are under investigation, and it is possible that you may be | 0:17:54 | 0:17:57 | |
arrested at some point. | 0:17:57 | 0:17:59 | |
What would you say to that? | 0:17:59 | 0:18:01 | |
Some people are suggesting that instead of denying everything, | 0:18:20 | 0:18:23 | |
history would look more kindly on your husband if he was to accept | 0:18:23 | 0:18:26 | |
some responsibility for the trail of blood that started | 0:18:26 | 0:18:29 | |
across the Balkans, the trail of blood that left hundreds | 0:18:29 | 0:18:31 | |
of thousands of people without their homes, left people | 0:18:31 | 0:18:34 | |
raped and tortured and murdered, that history would look more kindly, | 0:18:34 | 0:18:37 | |
if he accepted at least some responsibility for that. | 0:18:37 | 0:18:57 | |
What would you say to those people? | 0:18:57 | 0:18:58 | |
You think he'll prove his innocence at the Hague? | 0:19:55 | 0:20:00 | |
Do you not also realise that he is regarded as evil by many, | 0:20:43 | 0:20:46 | |
many people around the world, who blame him for the trail of blood | 0:20:46 | 0:20:50 | |
that led across the Balkans? | 0:20:50 | 0:20:51 | |
Are you not aware of that? | 0:20:51 | 0:20:59 | |
People who have seen the pictures of the forced deportations, | 0:20:59 | 0:21:02 | |
of the mass murders and the rapes. | 0:21:02 | 0:21:04 | |
These people are not going to believe what you say. | 0:21:04 | 0:21:12 | |
Do you believe he will come home from the Hague one day? | 0:21:28 | 0:21:30 | |
Why not? | 0:21:39 | 0:21:40 | |
Thank you very much indeed for being with us on the programme. | 0:22:05 | 0:22:05 | |
No, I'm asking questions that are of interest to the public. | 0:22:18 | 0:22:20 | |
Hello there. | 0:23:26 | 0:23:27 | |
Good morning. | 0:23:27 | 0:23:30 | |
We saw some big contrast across the UK on Sunday. | 0:23:30 | 0:23:33 | |
The southern half of the UK has seen some cloud and some rain. | 0:23:33 | 0:23:37 | |
This is the view from one of our Weather Watchers | 0:23:37 | 0:23:40 |