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Hello and welcome to HARDtalk, I'm sure they. It's the divorce of the | :00:12. | :00:19. | |
century but who will pay the bill? As the UK negotiates its exit from | :00:20. | :00:23. | |
the European Union, the optimists believe it can reshape local trade, | :00:24. | :00:27. | |
freeing it from the barriers to outsiders that any customs union of | :00:28. | :00:32. | |
group of countries creates. That task is harder, though, because | :00:33. | :00:35. | |
British running as the Theresa May threw away her parliamentary | :00:36. | :00:38. | |
majority in a General Election that's left the government severely | :00:39. | :00:42. | |
weakened. My guest today Nicky Morgan is worried about Brexit, and | :00:43. | :00:47. | |
indeed opposed it, and her view matters, not just because she used | :00:48. | :00:51. | |
to be in the British Cabinet but because she has taken the chair of | :00:52. | :00:55. | |
one of the UK's most important watchdogs, the Treasury Select | :00:56. | :00:58. | |
Committee. She has described herself as an insurgent, who or what is she | :00:59. | :01:01. | |
prepared to overthrow? Nicky Morgan, welcome to HARDtalk. | :01:02. | :01:32. | |
After you were dismissed from the Cabinet by Theresa May when she | :01:33. | :01:35. | |
became Prime Minister you said I'm revelling in being part of the | :01:36. | :01:38. | |
awkward squad. Should the government be worried? Thank you first of all | :01:39. | :01:43. | |
for having me. I think when you're released if you like from the bounce | :01:44. | :01:48. | |
of collective responsibility it's nice to be able to ask the questions | :01:49. | :01:51. | |
from the backbenches that you otherwise couldn't have asked. Yes, | :01:52. | :01:55. | |
I think as you said in your introduction, Brexit is a huge deal | :01:56. | :01:59. | |
for this country in so many different ways and I think there are | :02:00. | :02:03. | |
a lot of us who have many questions still to be answered at we'll do | :02:04. | :02:07. | |
that and the more you put former ministers onto back benches and into | :02:08. | :02:10. | |
select committees, we know how government works, we know which | :02:11. | :02:16. | |
buttons to press. You are in the, a sense the people who have motive and | :02:17. | :02:19. | |
opportunity because you're not worried about chances of promotion | :02:20. | :02:24. | |
any more, you said you're not interested in sucking up to anybody, | :02:25. | :02:28. | |
you're the insurgents now. It's about asking those questions... Is | :02:29. | :02:33. | |
it because you want to halt and reverse Brexit? Look, I don't renege | :02:34. | :02:39. | |
from the fact I was a committed campaigner for the remains I'd the | :02:40. | :02:43. | |
debate. You accept it's going to happen, no second referendum? I'm | :02:44. | :02:46. | |
not in favour of a second referendum. -- remains side. I think | :02:47. | :02:57. | |
we have a situation now that needs to be negotiated in the national | :02:58. | :03:01. | |
interests above the point is, and I think this Brexit issue if you like | :03:02. | :03:05. | |
has put before politicians that question of country before party or | :03:06. | :03:09. | |
which way does it work in a way that I haven't seen, certainly I've been | :03:10. | :03:13. | |
in Parliament for seven years, I've been involved in the Conservative | :03:14. | :03:17. | |
Party for 28 years, I haven't seen that question put in this way | :03:18. | :03:20. | |
before. This is fundamental stuff that affects not just internal | :03:21. | :03:24. | |
political British life but has implications for the national | :03:25. | :03:27. | |
interest and potentially for Europe and even beyond that? Absolutely, | :03:28. | :03:32. | |
one of the reasons I was a committed Remain campaigner was our | :03:33. | :03:35. | |
geopolitical place in the world, we had more power and influence being | :03:36. | :03:41. | |
influential in the EU, that's what our allies around the world wanted | :03:42. | :03:45. | |
us to be. Look, that's not going to be the case, we're still going to | :03:46. | :03:48. | |
have a deep and special Prutton ship, as the Prime Minister says, | :03:49. | :03:52. | |
with Europe. The Prime Minister hopes that will be the case and that | :03:53. | :03:56. | |
depends on negotiations which began again before we were speaking a | :03:57. | :04:00. | |
couple of days. You've asked for further information from the Bank of | :04:01. | :04:03. | |
England about the invocations of Brexit but you're not exactly asking | :04:04. | :04:07. | |
a neutral player. Mark Carney, the governor of the bank, was heavily | :04:08. | :04:15. | |
criticised about... Many of which have not come to place. In a sense | :04:16. | :04:20. | |
he's one of the experts your Cabinet colleague, former Cabinet colleague | :04:21. | :04:23. | |
Michael Gove said the British had heard enough from. There was a whole | :04:24. | :04:28. | |
point behind that, it was shortened to we're not listening to experts | :04:29. | :04:35. | |
now. I think Mark Carney, the bag of England governor, was right to warn | :04:36. | :04:38. | |
of the potential consequences -- Bank of England. Of course at the | :04:39. | :04:42. | |
moment Brexit hasn't happened and we are some way from that split, | :04:43. | :04:47. | |
expected in March, 2019. I think we're beginning to see that working | :04:48. | :04:51. | |
its way through the economy. Even the questions you're posing our kind | :04:52. | :04:55. | |
of loaded, aren't they? You talk about the cliff edge facing | :04:56. | :04:58. | |
businesses when we leave, it's going to be in your view a cliff edge | :04:59. | :05:02. | |
we're going to be dropping off. It's a cause for concern. You say the | :05:03. | :05:06. | |
risks of the EU not agreeing a divorce agreement with Britain views | :05:07. | :05:14. | |
on the... This is Nicky Morgan who wanted to remain in the EU revelling | :05:15. | :05:18. | |
in being the awkward squad, to quote your words. I think you are able, as | :05:19. | :05:23. | |
a politician, I'm a former lawyer as well, to take on the role as a chair | :05:24. | :05:29. | |
of a Select Committee. You are there to hold government accountable to | :05:30. | :05:32. | |
Parliament. Parliament is going to be hugely important in this process, | :05:33. | :05:36. | |
we're asking the questions our constituents want us to ask. But I | :05:37. | :05:40. | |
think anybody that thinks Brexit is going to be easy and painless has | :05:41. | :05:44. | |
not been straight with the British public. These things are always | :05:45. | :05:48. | |
doable, there will be a negotiation, I very much expect that there will | :05:49. | :05:53. | |
be an end a deal, but it's going to be bumpy and people are realising | :05:54. | :05:58. | |
that. What do you make of how the European Union is handling these | :05:59. | :06:03. | |
negotiations? A couple of days ago Jean-Claude Juncker, president of | :06:04. | :06:06. | |
the commission, said he's seen all the proposition papers the British | :06:07. | :06:10. | |
government submitted in the summer, a substantial pile of papers, and he | :06:11. | :06:15. | |
said none of them is satisfactory. It's to be expected. I was EU budget | :06:16. | :06:20. | |
Minister for a while a couple of years ago and EU negotiations, both | :06:21. | :06:25. | |
sides often dance around a bit and a deal is done often towards the end | :06:26. | :06:28. | |
of the allotted time. I wouldn't expect any less or any more from the | :06:29. | :06:33. | |
EU at the moment. On those position papers, though, I do have to wonder | :06:34. | :06:37. | |
that it's good to see the details and the clarity that we now have but | :06:38. | :06:41. | |
there's a lot still to be resolved. I do wonder how it's taken 12 months | :06:42. | :06:45. | |
to get to that particular level of detail. I think a Select Committee | :06:46. | :06:49. | |
chairmen like me and Parliament will ask for a lot more detail. British | :06:50. | :06:53. | |
ministers can be expected to be hauled in front of you more | :06:54. | :06:56. | |
frequently than over the last year or so by the previous committee? The | :06:57. | :07:00. | |
previous committees have been very active already but there was plenty | :07:01. | :07:05. | |
of cross-examination and I think committees like mine and others | :07:06. | :07:09. | |
won't just be focusing on our own ministers if you like, normally the | :07:10. | :07:13. | |
Treasury Select Committee would quiz Treasury ministers, but they will | :07:14. | :07:17. | |
also go further and there may well be other relevant enquiries where we | :07:18. | :07:21. | |
will ask in other ministers too because Brexit is such a big thing, | :07:22. | :07:25. | |
it crosses so much of government. Would you like to hear from the | :07:26. | :07:29. | |
Prime Minister because in a sense she embodies the whole government. | :07:30. | :07:32. | |
The chairs of the Select Committee are part of a bigger committee | :07:33. | :07:36. | |
called the liaison committee that quizzes the Prime Minister twice a | :07:37. | :07:40. | |
year at least so I would expect at least that Brexit will come up in | :07:41. | :07:46. | |
the next liaison committee meeting. In terms of the particular | :07:47. | :07:50. | |
proposals, there's prostration not on the British side only, the | :07:51. | :07:53. | |
Association of German Chambers of commerce and industry said in the | :07:54. | :07:57. | |
course of this week that politicians need to put shared economic | :07:58. | :08:01. | |
interests first -- frustration. It's really worried about the delays in | :08:02. | :08:05. | |
this process, it says it wants a temporary customs arrangement with | :08:06. | :08:09. | |
Britain for this transition period. Do you share that ambition that they | :08:10. | :08:13. | |
should at least have something in place very soon so that we are then | :08:14. | :08:17. | |
able to prepare the ground for the 31st of March and that businesses | :08:18. | :08:20. | |
don't find something that will almost change overnight? One of the | :08:21. | :08:25. | |
important moves this summer, and exceptions from the British | :08:26. | :08:28. | |
government that there will be a transition period asked for -- an | :08:29. | :08:32. | |
acceptance. We don't know what the EU will offer up. It's very | :08:33. | :08:36. | |
important to listen to the voice of business, not least because they are | :08:37. | :08:40. | |
critical to a strong economy, they are employers and I think it's very | :08:41. | :08:44. | |
encouraging to hear the views of German business as well and they | :08:45. | :08:47. | |
will no doubt be talking to their own government. I think the issue | :08:48. | :08:51. | |
is, although we haven't technically until March, 2019 actually... It | :08:52. | :08:57. | |
will be before that period when the negotiations end because there has | :08:58. | :09:00. | |
to be time for the EU and UK parliaments to approve the final | :09:01. | :09:04. | |
agreements. We also know, and I'll be asking for further evidence on | :09:05. | :09:09. | |
this, that British businesses, particularly financial institutions, | :09:10. | :09:11. | |
are going to make decisions within the next few months, if not weeks, | :09:12. | :09:15. | |
about where they're going to locate, where their employees are going to | :09:16. | :09:19. | |
be, how they set themselves up in Europe going forward, so we don't | :09:20. | :09:26. | |
have 18 months, I think we probably have a matter of six to seven months | :09:27. | :09:30. | |
to really get to the nub of this. Those are options, of course they're | :09:31. | :09:34. | |
going to look at what we would do if Britain actually were to be unable | :09:35. | :09:37. | |
to agree a deal with the European Union, that's entirely prudent. It's | :09:38. | :09:41. | |
a bit like the UK businesses that were considering leaving Scotland if | :09:42. | :09:44. | |
Scotland had voted to leave. Now here we are going to leave but | :09:45. | :09:49. | |
that's not to say there's not going to be an arrangement. Let me put to | :09:50. | :09:54. | |
you what Jarryd Lyons said, the people who backed Brexit said in the | :09:55. | :10:05. | |
sun in August, he said that the City of London is the best. The threat is | :10:06. | :10:12. | |
moving elsewhere. It's not Europe, Amsterdam, Frankfurt, it's not | :10:13. | :10:16. | |
Paris, much as they would would wish it was. To follow a famous phrase, | :10:17. | :10:21. | |
he would say that, wouldn't he, given his views. He used to work | :10:22. | :10:25. | |
with your colleague, the Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson. We know | :10:26. | :10:29. | |
which side Boris is on in the referendum debate. We the point is | :10:30. | :10:33. | |
there I number of differences, we know some of the banks are looking | :10:34. | :10:38. | |
seriously at Frankfurt, we know Paris is on manoeuvres to tempt | :10:39. | :10:42. | |
business overseas and we know businesses are preparing. Your right | :10:43. | :10:45. | |
to say of course everyone hopes we don't get to a cliff edge no deal | :10:46. | :10:49. | |
scenario but they have to prepare for the worst-case and making | :10:50. | :10:53. | |
decisions employment, finding the local regulatory licenses, those | :10:54. | :10:58. | |
take months, not weeks, not days, so people are preparing. One Hoggies | :10:59. | :11:03. | |
colleagues, Professor Patrick Minford, said Brexit can be compared | :11:04. | :11:07. | |
to the event that gave birth to your modern political party, the repeal | :11:08. | :11:11. | |
of the corn laws and he says we should simply abolish trade barriers | :11:12. | :11:14. | |
without asking others to do the same, just as we did in 1846 when | :11:15. | :11:22. | |
Sir Robert Peel, that revolutionary insurgent in UK politics, basically | :11:23. | :11:25. | |
abandoned the pricey form of protectionism that kept up the price | :11:26. | :11:29. | |
of corn when farmers in Britain were under pressure. It reduced the price | :11:30. | :11:34. | |
of fruit, it helped stimulate the Industrial Revolution, never mind | :11:35. | :11:37. | |
changing the whole political dynamic and arguably providing the base on | :11:38. | :11:41. | |
which the Conservative Party still thrives, the party of free trade and | :11:42. | :11:45. | |
enterprise. Patrick mentored was one of the people who said during the | :11:46. | :11:49. | |
report into the referendum said it would be OK if manufacturing | :11:50. | :11:53. | |
disappeared -- Patrick Minford. I know as an MP representing a | :11:54. | :11:57. | |
manufacturing area that that would not be a good thing for local or | :11:58. | :12:04. | |
national economies. The other thing is a lot of this debate is we would | :12:05. | :12:08. | |
like this or that, we would like no tariffs but what are the other | :12:09. | :12:12. | |
markets going to do? The moment and other market puts up a tariff or | :12:13. | :12:15. | |
barrier then the response from our businesses, different sectors, will | :12:16. | :12:19. | |
be the UK needs to do the same. I think to actually expect there to be | :12:20. | :12:22. | |
unlimited free trade is not actually... It doesn't really | :12:23. | :12:26. | |
reflect the world we live in in the 21st-century. You're worried a world | :12:27. | :12:30. | |
in which Donald Trump for example has been so critical of free trade | :12:31. | :12:33. | |
and the consequences of free trade for many people who have lost out is | :12:34. | :12:37. | |
not actually world in which that bright scenario for Britain beckons. | :12:38. | :12:42. | |
I think at the end of the day we will, as I said before, it will be | :12:43. | :12:47. | |
bumpy for a while, there will be a future for Britain, many people are | :12:48. | :12:50. | |
confident it will be a bright future and I hope that's absolutely the | :12:51. | :12:54. | |
case. You don't want to play Cassandra in this role as chairman | :12:55. | :12:58. | |
of the Select Committee? If you're always sounding the alarm that | :12:59. | :13:02. | |
people are dealing with that the part of the debate than elsewhere. | :13:03. | :13:06. | |
That's what Britain expects us to do but also we need to be realistic. | :13:07. | :13:11. | |
Looking forward, in a strange way we appear in terms of the politics of | :13:12. | :13:15. | |
your party to have gone backwards, some of the decisions which were the | :13:16. | :13:18. | |
slow acting poison which arguably almost destroyed it 20 years ago and | :13:19. | :13:23. | |
put it in opposition for a decade appear to be back. In the words of | :13:24. | :13:28. | |
your former leader David Cameron, is the party destined to bang on about | :13:29. | :13:36. | |
Europe for another decade again? I hope not, Europe has been a fault | :13:37. | :13:39. | |
line running through the Conservative Party for a long time | :13:40. | :13:42. | |
now, with all the time I've been involved in politics and many others | :13:43. | :13:46. | |
as well. Having had the referendum we now don't have the voices saying | :13:47. | :13:49. | |
we've got to leave the EU, it's going to happen, so we have to | :13:50. | :13:53. | |
negotiate in the national interests and get the best possible deal for | :13:54. | :13:57. | |
the country. But I think one of the other challenges is going to be, and | :13:58. | :14:00. | |
perhaps in this autumn ahead, we have our party conference coming up, | :14:01. | :14:04. | |
is how the Prime Minister and ministers set out what else the | :14:05. | :14:07. | |
Conservative Party in government is going to be doing because that's | :14:08. | :14:12. | |
very important. The danger is the whole oxygen of Whitehall is sucked | :14:13. | :14:16. | |
into this whole Brexit debate and that's inevitable because it's very | :14:17. | :14:19. | |
big, very challenging and complex but actually we know there are many | :14:20. | :14:23. | |
other reasons and issues people want us to tackle and many reasons why | :14:24. | :14:26. | |
people voted to leave in the referendum which would be solved by | :14:27. | :14:31. | |
Brexit. Those policy ideas to tackle those issues, for example lack of | :14:32. | :14:35. | |
employment opportunities or poor education in parts of the country, | :14:36. | :14:39. | |
have to be dealt with by government departments at the same time. | :14:40. | :14:45. | |
I wonder how much opportunity there will be in Parliament did that. You | :14:46. | :14:53. | |
can't forget the deal that was me with the Democratic Unionist Party | :14:54. | :14:58. | |
to get some sort of majority. It would only take some people to | :14:59. | :15:02. | |
rebel, perhaps people like yourself, who are supporters of the EU, for | :15:03. | :15:06. | |
the whole process to be slowed down. There is a little riskier, it | :15:07. | :15:11. | |
actually, it is in their? That this could become the dominant issue for | :15:12. | :15:15. | |
the next 18 months, and everything is crowded back. There is a huge | :15:16. | :15:20. | |
risk that this becomes a huge issue and the only issue that is talked | :15:21. | :15:24. | |
about. I think that is wrong for a number of reasons. There is a big | :15:25. | :15:28. | |
issue is that I think people expect us to tackle. Some people think, you | :15:29. | :15:36. | |
know, the referendum happened in June 2006 in the way they still talk | :15:37. | :15:40. | |
about it? But it would also be bad news for the Conservative Party. Let | :15:41. | :15:48. | |
me ask you, though, your colleague, Anna Soubry, who was a supporter of | :15:49. | :15:53. | |
remain, a former minister sacked by Theresa May, she wrote an article | :15:54. | :15:59. | |
this month saying could she see herself joining with people who were | :16:00. | :16:04. | |
like-minded and wanted to say the country from an appalling Brexit? | :16:05. | :16:08. | |
She said at the moment, not now, but it is not impossible. If you have | :16:09. | :16:12. | |
people like that same ultimately I could work against my party or leave | :16:13. | :16:17. | |
it, that adds to the instability, does it? If people like Anna Soubry | :16:18. | :16:24. | |
felt the party was not for them, that would be a shame. She is a | :16:25. | :16:32. | |
committed worker, she was in Cabinet and now in Parliament. But this is | :16:33. | :16:36. | |
not an issue that is just entirely academic. It is not entirely | :16:37. | :16:41. | |
academic. It is such a huge and important issue for the country by | :16:42. | :16:44. | |
the next generations, and people feel strongly about it. But it also | :16:45. | :16:48. | |
goes back to the leadership of my party and make it clear that the | :16:49. | :16:52. | |
Conservative Party is and remains a broad church on this issue and | :16:53. | :16:56. | |
others. There could be differing views, but there are a space for | :16:57. | :17:02. | |
everybody. You need people like Anna Soubry, who is a talented East | :17:03. | :17:08. | |
Midlands politician, to work for us. Your seat, the seat you represent, | :17:09. | :17:16. | |
and her seat, also in the Midlands, these were Labour held seats. You | :17:17. | :17:22. | |
had to convince people, so you don't feel they are guaranteed to see | :17:23. | :17:26. | |
conservative in the next election? People changed their minds in | :17:27. | :17:32. | |
marginal seats. In order to win a marginal seat, it is about building | :17:33. | :17:35. | |
a coalition of voters, persuading them of the - of your cause, that | :17:36. | :17:41. | |
they want to support your party at this time. So you are always | :17:42. | :17:44. | |
conscious that this is not to last forever. The Conservative Party is | :17:45. | :17:48. | |
or is thinking about a message that will appeal to those voters in the | :17:49. | :17:52. | |
middle. And the we are better when we appeal to the centre ground. But | :17:53. | :17:56. | |
I don't think that people like me, like Anna Soubry, it should feel | :17:57. | :18:00. | |
that the Conservative Party does not have a place for us. I think I'll be | :18:01. | :18:04. | |
a mistake in terms of appealing to the broad collection of voters that | :18:05. | :18:11. | |
we need to. The former Chancellor of the Exchequer, George Osborne, | :18:12. | :18:20. | |
dismissed Theresa May with a little relish as a dabble in walking. I had | :18:21. | :18:30. | |
the pleasure of working with him in the Treasury. He was good to work | :18:31. | :18:34. | |
for. In terms of leadership, it is a false air and to predict how long | :18:35. | :18:38. | |
somebody will last all who will take over, and everything else. I have | :18:39. | :18:42. | |
been clear, and I don't think Theresa May is the right person to | :18:43. | :18:46. | |
text of the next election. And think everybody in the Conservative Party | :18:47. | :18:53. | |
is not the election that we sought or expected. It is could be harder | :18:54. | :18:56. | |
because we don't have the majority, in terms of putting our programme of | :18:57. | :19:01. | |
government through. Theresa May was asked by BBC week, is it your | :19:02. | :19:08. | |
intention to lead the party into the next election? And her answer was | :19:09. | :19:12. | |
yes, she is ever the long-term. It is difficult to predict what is | :19:13. | :19:18. | |
ahead. I feel that there were mistakes made in the general | :19:19. | :19:21. | |
election campaign. There was a focus very much on one person, which are | :19:22. | :19:26. | |
think is a mistake, because I think the Conservative Party as a team. | :19:27. | :19:29. | |
There were mistakes in the way the manifesto was handled. But also know | :19:30. | :19:33. | |
that no leader wants to put a date on their departure in advance. David | :19:34. | :19:36. | |
Cameron found it difficult when he said he was going to go. He said | :19:37. | :19:48. | |
halfway through a Parliament, and it signed his own mortality. She said | :19:49. | :19:52. | |
whatever she might have felt a few months ago, in immediate aftermath | :19:53. | :20:00. | |
of the election, after saying that she took responsibility, she is now | :20:01. | :20:04. | |
saying, stuff you, I can carry on. Can she carry onto the next | :20:05. | :20:08. | |
election? Would she be comfortable that would be comfortable carrying | :20:09. | :20:13. | |
on under Theresa May into the next election? Jurak I was stand on a | :20:14. | :20:20. | |
Conservative platform... I think has had a difficult first year as | :20:21. | :20:29. | |
primers. -- I would stand on a Conservative platform. Labour's vote | :20:30. | :20:36. | |
went up to the highest it has had since 1945! It didn't win, because | :20:37. | :20:43. | |
your majority! I think I have the highest vote share of Conservatives | :20:44. | :20:52. | |
that we have had... As I say, you can't get away... What could she say | :20:53. | :20:57. | |
they could make are acceptable as a leader for the next election? I | :20:58. | :21:02. | |
think one of the things it has been missing is an attempt, not an | :21:03. | :21:07. | |
attempt, but a real move to reconcile the fault lines in the | :21:08. | :21:10. | |
Conservative Party, which are typically shown up by Europe. So, | :21:11. | :21:15. | |
for example, in the autumn of last year, there was an attempt to | :21:16. | :21:18. | |
sideline the 48%, people like me, who had voted Remain, and were going | :21:19. | :21:23. | |
all out Brexit. I think the election result put a brake on that. I have | :21:24. | :21:31. | |
been clear in articles. I think things are changing, and it is | :21:32. | :21:34. | |
important that they do, in terms of bringing United party together. If | :21:35. | :21:38. | |
the Prime Minister and the Cabinet were able to do that, build a strong | :21:39. | :21:48. | |
parliament that would be a step forward. The Evening Standard | :21:49. | :21:51. | |
newspaper in London, which should say is edited by George Osborne | :21:52. | :21:56. | |
wrote an interesting article a few days go, talking about the feeling | :21:57. | :22:00. | |
that the party was out of step, particularly with young voters. It | :22:01. | :22:06. | |
quoted some unnamed Tory MPs. The thing is, the Tories to represent | :22:07. | :22:13. | |
us. The generational tops, David Davis, at Boris Johnson, they are | :22:14. | :22:17. | |
bluffers. We do want lovers. There is a real dismay at the mediocrity | :22:18. | :22:23. | |
of Theresa May's team. And they write about that. -- we don't want | :22:24. | :22:29. | |
bluffers. I think you have to keep all Cabinet is - look, I had my | :22:30. | :22:36. | |
review period. I was handed me at P45. I think every body has a shelf | :22:37. | :22:41. | |
life. I think need to make sure that a team holds together and let you | :22:42. | :22:46. | |
all work together and support each other. But if you change the faces | :22:47. | :22:52. | |
around the tables, just for the sake of it, that is a mistake. She has | :22:53. | :22:56. | |
moved a lot of people into different jobs, but she didn't bring in any | :22:57. | :23:03. | |
new blood. Will a reshuffle... That is why the privacy can't stay in | :23:04. | :23:10. | |
office forever. Isn't it? I think just in terms of younger voters, I | :23:11. | :23:14. | |
think thinking about it, we need to think is a party how we will appeal. | :23:15. | :23:18. | |
The trouble is, if you look at the way that the boat is backed up, we | :23:19. | :23:24. | |
have a lot of old people, not so many young. And the older dying off, | :23:25. | :23:29. | |
and the younger, there will be more and more of them. Of course. And you | :23:30. | :23:35. | |
need to have views and policies and so on that appeal to the young | :23:36. | :23:39. | |
generation. That means the Promina said Mr bring in new people, we | :23:40. | :23:43. | |
should not be afraid of that. But also go back to where we started, we | :23:44. | :23:47. | |
have this massive challenge Brexit. And we have to deal with that in the | :23:48. | :23:53. | |
national interest. Nicky Morgan, thank you very much for being on | :23:54. | :23:55. | |
HARDtalk. Thank you. We're moving into the last day | :23:56. | :24:23. | |
of August, but in some places, | :24:24. | :24:27. |