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Now on BBC News, it's

time for HARDtalk.

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Welcome to HARDtalk,

with me, Zeinab Badawi.

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My guest has been celebrated here at

the World Economic Forum in Davos.

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He's been given an award

for his philanthropic work

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advancing women's rights.

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He's Shah Rukh Khan,

the Bollywood superstar whose fan

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base runs into the billions.

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He says he wants to make

the world a better place,

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but how far is he really

using his voice to do that?

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Shah Rukh Khan, welcome to HARDtalk.

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Thank you very much, Zeinab,

and thank you very much

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for having me over at HARDtalk.

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Very glad to have you.

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Look, after graduating

from the University of Delhi,

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you dropped out of a Masters

degree in communications

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to become an actor.

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I take it you have no regrets?

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It was either being a journalist

or being an actor, so I,

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I was actually training

to be a film-maker.

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They didn't have a

film-making course there.

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I'm really an actor by accident.

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I'm really an actor by accident

because I went down and I said,

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OK, I'll start working in front

of the camera because some people

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offered me a film.

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But behind the scenes I learned

how to make ad films,

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I wanted to make advertising films.

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And when my wife, now wife,

then just about to be wife,

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and my friends asked me,

how long are you gone for?

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I said a year.

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That's it.

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And it's been 30 years now.

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The accidental actor.

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I'm the accidental actor.

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All right, well, your debut movie

was romantic drama Deewana

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in the early 1990s.

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And thereafter you very quickly

established yourself

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as a very successful actor.

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You've made around 80

Bollywood movies, I think.

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About 65, 70, yeah.

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Yeah, all right.

Which is your most favourite one?

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The next one.

The next movie coming up.

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That the favourite one.

Every time it's the next one.

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Really?

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When the one is finished,

then it's over and done with.

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But I've done some really wonderful

films, some really nice people

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I never expected to work with.

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Mr Yash Chopra made a film

called Darr with me.

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Where I was a bad guy.

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It's like kind of like Cape Fear.

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So I was...

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When I started off working

I remember I remember this wonderful

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director calling me and I said,

the reason you're interesting

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to work with is because you're

very unattractive.

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And we can put you in any role

and nobody will know.

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So I started off like that.

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So I did a lot of bad guy roles.

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I really enjoyed them.

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But you've really made your name

as a romantic lead, I think.

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I don't know how, I'm shy

with women, and then every time

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they keep giving me these roles

and make me sing and dance.

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I'm, I'm really

awkward with romance.

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But I guess acting is like that.

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What you really bad

at is what you finally act out

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better, you know, it's

that kind of line.

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Your upcoming film this year

is going to be Zero,

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which is about a man who has,

is of restricted height and falls

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in love with a very

flamboyant woman.

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Quite a departure for you.

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I just want to say, you said

in 2015, we have to change

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the format of our films.

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I always say this, if I'm invited

to your party I need to dress up

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in the code that you tell me to.

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Do you think that Bollywood films

need to change in order to appeal

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to an audience beyond their current?

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They have two, they have two,

I stick by this even till about four

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days ago I was having a bit

discussion with some friends.

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And maybe I'm completely wrong,

but this is my belief,

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that unless we change our screenplay

technique, unless we make our films

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shorter, and perhaps, yeah,

you can have the musical part of it,

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but they have to be

musical specific films.

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Not every film can't

have song and dance.

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Let's just change these two things.

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Because they're about two and a half

hours long, and average...

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They're longer, they have

an interval, they have

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three acts, films.

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It should be in two acts

without an interval.

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Your opinion changes, doesn't it,

a bit, Shah Rukh Khan.

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Because in 2006 after spending a few

months in LA, London and New York

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you said, I found that our cinema

is a little exaggerated,

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which, as you said now...

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But you said to make

a mark in the West we have

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to reach their level

without losing our identity,

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culture or songs.

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I don't want to star

in a Hollywood film,

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but want to make a film that

crosses over universally.

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It sounds like you're trying

to have the best of both worlds,

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and you really do that?

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Maintain your culture and identity?

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This is personally me,

because I don't think I'd be able

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to participate in a crossover film

where we need to change.

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If you need to.

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I meet my friends and they say,

look, we need to take the film

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International.

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If you take the film International

you have to make it for 90

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minutes without songs.

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Would have to be more character

driven, would have to be extremely

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screenplayed like, you know,

I've sat in London cinema theatres

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with friends and English

people who are like...

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You have an interval?

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There's a second half,

there two halves to a film?

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Which itself is, you know, if you're

looking for an international

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audience, personally,

when people ask me what do I enjoy

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doing most, I like

doing what I'm doing.

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Singing and dancing.

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Really?

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But you say I don't want

to star in Hollywood film.

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Really?

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Also I wasn't offered to many,

so that was the best way to say it!

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I don't want to star

in a Hollywood film.

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You're repeatedly the second best

paid actor in the whole

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world whatever nationality.

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I wish!

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Well, your way up there anyway.

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You're not complaining are you?

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I need to tell you a story,

then we'll go on with this.

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I was driving down to my office,

I was making a film,

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which was called Happy New Year.

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Very expensive film.

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We had to create this

whole visual effect,

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of this world dance

championship in Dubai.

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So I was driving down

and my producer called me

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and he said, we have no money.

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And I said, yeah, so what do I do?

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Can I make some visits to someplace

and do some openings so I can

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get some money?

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And he said, yeah, we really need

to, because we don't have money,

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otherwise we'll have to borrow.

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And I reached my office and I put

on my phone and while I was trying

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to find out ways to earn

money to finish my film,

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this came out, that I'm the second

richest actor in the world.

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Was it news to you?

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It was news to me,

and I stick by it.

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Please continue saying

it, it feels good.

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But you're not complaining are you?

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I'm not complaining at all.

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You've made a lot of money.

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I've made a lot of money.

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From many films.

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From many films.

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I always wanted to be rich,

I always wanted to be famous.

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I come from a very, very,

very poor background.

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Given a chance, I'll

do it all over again.

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I'm just so happy being

a star and so rich.

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But you have said that with that

fame and wealth comes

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responsibilities.

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And you are here at Davos

at the World Economic Forum

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where you've been celebrated

for your work and philanthropy,

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you received the Crystal award.

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And you say you are committed

to improving the state of the world

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and, in particular, the rights

of women in your native India.

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But are you using your voice loudly

enough, Shah Rukh Khan?

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No, I don't think so.

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You know, I have been,

as I should be, extremely

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self-centred for a lot many years

because I needed to do what I do.

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Like a regular guy,

I want to make a lot of money,

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I want to be famous,

I want to do my job.

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I'm sensitive because I'm an actor,

or the other way round.

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There always has been two thoughts

about turning around and doing

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something for the community for,

you know, service to others.

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And I don't think I've done enough.

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Every time I've been asked upon,

to do something, lend my voice

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to a project, I go ahead and do it.

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But personally I always felt

I should get into something that

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I really feel for, and I want to do

it without talking about it.

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Being here at Davos is also awkward

for me, when I'm talking

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about the foundation that I set

up three years back.

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But then...

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That's the Meer Foundation,

named after your father.

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I think over the years

I came to a conclusion,

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which was only four or five

years back, to be honest,

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and like you said, I haven't

used my voice enough,

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not at all.

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But now you've said at Davos,

to disfigure a woman by throwing

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acid on her face is to me,

one of the basest, crudest acts

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of subjugation imaginable.

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At the source of it lies the view

that a woman does not have the right

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to assert her choice.

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Why did you choose this cause,

acid attack survivors?

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A couple of things happened.

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You know, I'm surrounded

by beautiful women.

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Like you said, I'm a romantic hero

and I'm working with the most

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beautiful women in the world.

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My life is surrounded by women.

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Then I came across a couple of them,

who were victims, who have been

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oppressed, who have been

subjugated like this,

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and is very hurtful.

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I was scared to see them initially.

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You know, personally.

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Because they've been disfigured.

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And what I found was that

I should go there and,

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you know, perhaps be charitable.

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I realised they don't that,

they need solidarity.

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I thought you know, I can be this

narcissistically compassionate

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person and turn around and say,

look, I'll look after you,

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and I realised they don't need that.

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Is this part of a much

wider problem?

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We know that women in India suffer

all sorts of discrimination.

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Only 12% of members of Parliament

in India are female,

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only 5% of women said

they have the right to choose

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who they want to marry.

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I can go on and on with

those statistics.

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80% need permission to go

and access health care.

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Why do you think that's the state

of affairs for women in India?

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What are these barriers?

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Except for the way, perhaps,

women can come out now and talk

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in the West, I think the state

of women has been this

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categorisation of women,

by men of society.

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And defining it so strongly.

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I think it's what the fight

for women, of women,

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against is all over.

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It is in India also and it is,

I'm sure, in Japan also,

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and in England also, America also.

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And that is why somebody who's

only working with women,

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I was like, I have to do something,

one which I feel for.

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And try to again, uplift

through my work and all I can.

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Just stand with them.

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Listen, you work in an industry

which, to put it bluntly,

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Bollywood, is sexist.

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Men get paid more than the women.

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We've heard about the #MeToo

campaign in Hollywood.

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That kind of thing must go on.

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We know it does because some actors

have actually talked about that.

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Kangana Ranaut is one of the few

Bollywood actresses whose publicly

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spoken about the sexual

assault and harassment.

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She told Reuters, I faced severe

sexual exploitation and harassment

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at the workplace.

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Have you witnessed this kind

of thing, have you done

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anything about it?

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You know, I mean, personally

at a level where I'm making films

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or working in films,

we are very clear about the attitude

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to women, even the smallest aspects

of the names coming in the title

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first, which is not

going to do anything,

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but the kind of respectability.

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That's the thing you

started a few years ago.

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So that your female co-star,

her name appears before yours.

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That's just an empty

gesture isn't it?

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It is.

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You don't have to push me too

far to agree to this.

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It's a way of trying to say,

even this, small thing,

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needs to be done, just

to bring about equality,

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see what we've reduced ourselves to.

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To put a girl's name

in front to show, look,

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guys, we are thinking

of them as equals.

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And that is sad.

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And that is strangely

dichotomous when you're

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talking about creativity.

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The boys and girls working together.

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I've never personally...

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Nobody dare miss behave

with a woman on my set.

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I'm very clear on that.

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And your fellow actors haven't

in the past said to you,

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you know what, Shah Rukh this

and that happen to me?

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Or...

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It hasn't come...

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I've been close to the women I've

worked with, nobody has said this.

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I never personally been told.

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On my set.

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You know, Zeinab, maybe it also

stems from the fact,

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I've just been...

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My mother, my sister,

my wife, my daughter,

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I've just been with women,

so I've been brought up by women.

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You say that, but yet,

you know, you have starred,

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as I said, as the romantic lead

in so many Bollywood films.

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To put it frankly, you know,

the women's characters

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revolve around yours.

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There are many scenes

where there are scantily clad women

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without any real link to the plot.

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They don't have to be

dressed like that.

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Are you comfortable starring,

having starred in such films,

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yet here you are advocating

women's rights?

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I'm most comfortable having

starred in those films.

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And none of them, I mean,

I'm trying to quickly see

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if there was a scantily

clad woman in my film.

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I've spoken to Indian people

here at the World Economic Forum

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and they say these other films that

Shah Rukh Khan has acted in.

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Everything revolves

around him and...

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The women gain salvation if she,

you know, ends up marrying you.

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No, Zeinab, you asked

the wrong people.

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My films, everything

revolves around the woman.

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I revolve around the woman.

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In every film.

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I run after her, I please...

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Let me hit you with

this bit of research.

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From 2012 from the University

of Louisville in the US,

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which found commercial Hindi films

portray ideal women as submissive,

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self-sacrificing, chased

and controlled, while the bad women

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as individualistic,

sexually aggressive,

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westernised and not sacrificing.

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It's got a lot of data that kind...

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I don't do typical Hindi films.

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Still, you might be tarred

with the same brush even if you say,

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well, I don't do that kind of film.

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100% there is a portrayal of women

which needs to change in every

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aspect, not only Indian films.

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One tries to as much as one

can through 1's work.

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But yes, it exists, I mean,

there is no denying it.

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Yes, this categorisation

of humanity and women,

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you know, submissive,

always trying to define them

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in society really so

they are subservient

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to men, continues.

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And it does.

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But those are not the

cinemas you look at.

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You can look at the sign and say,

this is such a depressive,

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oppressive way of portraying women,

or you can look at the other side.

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We make 1000 films, and you know,

even if you're making 500 awful

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ones and 500...

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50 good ones...

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Where this has been tried to change,

it's not just that the cinema

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is promoting it.

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Society believes in this.

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And it's being portrayed in cinema.

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And it is changing.

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That is the question.

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It's a very interesting

thing you raise.

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Should Bollywood films,

your films in particular,

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mirror society and reflect

what their opinions are,

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or should we try to lead

and reform opinion on harmful,

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negative stereotypes?

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I think it should do both.

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Cinema should do both.

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It should not does become one that

I'm going to change the society.

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Some cinema should do that and some

cinema should reflect society

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and take on things from real life,

so that you can identify with them.

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I just read somewhere

a couple of days ago,

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every artform is a lie but it is

going towards proving some truth.

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So one lie would be mirroring

society, the other one would be

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where you are trying

to tell them to change it.

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So both kinds should happen.

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But the most commercially successful

ones are going to be the ones that

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don't upset the apple cart too much.

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You have said we need to realise

this is a business at the end

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of the day.

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However much you may think

it's a creative field.

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So there's no point making a film

that's too challenging and that it

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just bombs, it doesn't do well.

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Yeah.

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It would...

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Depending on how much

of a challenge you take, the

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last five films of mine have bombed.

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Have they?

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Which will not make me turn around

and do the typical film

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still.

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All right.

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You said last November

that you believe in

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storytelling.

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He said, I believe no matter

what your language, no matter

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what country you're story comes

from, no matter what your ideology

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is, storytelling and listening

should be a familiar experience

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which binds us all together, makes

relationships stronger, even in the

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face of dissent and discussion.

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Could that refer to some

of the intercommunal tensions

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and divisions that we see

in modern day India?

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You see, I think that is essential.

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There will be dissent

for everything.

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You would also believe,

like we all believe, there has to be

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a discussion on it.

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There can't be a radical,

you know, stand-off when

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there is dissent.

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I think if you can have

a discussion and you talk

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about, in our country

we are the biggest democracy.

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And if you're the biggest

democracy, dissent is part

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and parcel of that.

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And, as much, is discussion.

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So when you have a story and,

when you go out, sometimes

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there is dissent.

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As a film-maker, as a citizen

of a country, as a

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citizen of the world,

can we just have a bit of discussion

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about it and sort it out instead

of taking,

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you know, stand-off positions?

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So it is possible.

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Are you worried about stand-off

positions, as you put it?

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Because there is a current

of opinion, I've heard it expressed

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here at Davos from Indian delegates

I've talked to about, you know,

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there is a certain tension.

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Some people feel that

there is a kind of

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Hindu nationalism that really is not

fostering good intercommunal ties.

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No, I don't think so.

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I was just telling people

outside, because of

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social media, you know, whenever

a certain thing you know, small

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factions or fractions of things

happen, they seem a little bigger.

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But the beauty of all of this is

within all this trolling and anger

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and people expressing themselves,

they are all also connecting.

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So I feel this is,

we're on the cusp of

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something amazingly

inclusive and integrating

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in this kind of dissent.

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I just see it on social media,

I haven't seen it live anywhere.

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I would be wrong

to comment on it that

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way.

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If you have this kind of dissent,

if people claim it, just a

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bit of discussion, finally,

if it's not going to be inclusive,

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everybody will suffer.

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I think we are not in that stage

at all in our country.

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You've tended to act

most in your films

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as a non-Muslim Indian

but in

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the last, in recent years,

your last few films,

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My Name is Khan, for instance,

in 2010, you're an Indian

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Muslim man with Asperger's syndrome,

takes a challenge to speak to the US

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president seriously and embarks

on a cross-country journey.

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Is your Muslim identity becoming

more relevant to you now?

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No, no, no, I've never felt that.

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I think being an artist,

I think, these things

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should be the last

on

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your mind.

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The only film which required me

to play Muslim was My

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Name is Khan, because it

was a film like that,

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it was talking about

the

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relationship of Islam

with the Western world.

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The others are by chance.

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I read this article,

some lady wrote it.

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I was really taken aback,

I hadn't even realised it

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myself.

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Dear Zindagi, and Raees,

which is the third one

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and I'm Muslim in it.

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Suddenly, she's like, is Shah Rukh's

now trying to put his identity

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forward.

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No, not at all, there

was nothing of that sort.

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I didn't realise it.

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But there is controversy

attached, because you

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just mentioned Raees

in

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2017, your co-star, Meera Khan,

a Pakistani actor, hasn't it even

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been allowed to come to India

to promote

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the film with you because there

was this tension between India and

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Pakistan.

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You see, whenever there is tension

between India and Pakistan,

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whenever there is tension,

cricketers don't come to play any

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more.

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So whenever there's tension,

I think there was at that point in

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time.

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As an artist, as an artist it's

really sad because, you know, I

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think what everyone talks

about should cross boundaries.

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And we should be

inclusive and it's about

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love and sharing.

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But you know, when emotions

run high, sometimes you

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don't do things that

you would like to because,

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I think it's just safer and nicer

and say, listen, we're

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artists, we don't want to get

into part of dissent.

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But you get caught up in it

and that was all, that's

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the point.

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She still can't go

and promote the film.

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The easiest part of it is to

just step back, you're

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an artist, just release your film,

let people see, and realise there's

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nothing wrong.

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In the long run I think

this will get sorted.

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Do you?

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Yeah.

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Now you've got a problem with

Padmavat, which is a film, and it's

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about a 14th century

Hindu Queen and a Muslim ruler.

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Fictitious film.

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But it's caused all

sorts of fuss, you

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know.

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Went to the Supreme Court in India

because people didn't want it

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shown and the Supreme Court says,

no, it can be shown, freedom of

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speech and so on.

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Some cinemas said but

we're not going to show

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this film because we're

worried about violence.

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I mean surely you as,

even though you say it's not

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relevant to your identity, the fact

you're not only an Indian actor,

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icon, you're also

a Muslim Indian icon,

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you should be commenting

on

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this kind of issue.

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I take comment

on the art part of it.

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And if I put any identity

of me forward, even

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Indian Muslim identity, it's wrong.

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Because as an artist

I should talk as an artist

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and, as an artist,

I

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think whenever a film comes out,

like we just talked about, if there

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is dissent, hopefully

with discussion it will end.

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So I hope it ends

with Padmavat also.

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I think there have been

a lot of discussions

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on it.

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The other thing I don't want to do

through your show is give any

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credibility and more

conversation to a product

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which has already been

in

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conversation for three months

and confused issues further.

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I hope you know, at

the end of it all, a

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film-maker or an actor or an artist,

the only thing they want is the

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artwork is something that you can

watch and enjoy at ease.

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So I wish for everybody's

film, I've had these

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issues sometimes, you know,

without realising, it seems I may

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have offended someone,

I've changed it.

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I have no problems

changing it because

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it's not a compromise,

because this freedom

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of speech, expression...

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You, if you make little changes,

if it's not going to...

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It should not hurt you,

my art should not irk you

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and disturb you.

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But I asked you in the context

of women's rights

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whether you would use your voice

more loudly to try and promote

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women's rights and I put

it to you that perhaps

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you ought to do that

as

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it is a very famous Muslim icon,

not just an Indian icon.

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You said a little while

ago, couple of years

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ago, if there is a message

I want to give, it

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would be good if there

is

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no discrimination on the basis

of religious caste, creed, sex or

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gender.

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would be good if there

is

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no discrimination on the basis

of religious caste, creed, sex or

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gender.

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Do you accept perhaps you should

be using your voice?

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Yes, just as a human being,

not as a Muslim icon or a movie star

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or an Indian, just as a human

being I should be using it louder,

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I should be using it more

often, I should use...

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I need to make myself a little more

useful to this world.

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Inshallah I will.

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And I'll try my best

in whatever way I can,

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and I think they do it,

but none of us, I think,

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in the world, do enough.

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That is not an excuse

not to do more.

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Your father, Meer Khan,

was a great admirer of Mahatma

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Gandhi.

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He believed in unity, diversity,

he was a devout Muslim.

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You named your foundation after him.

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Does his belief, his

philosophy, inspired you now?

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The philosophy that inspired me

to do Meer Foundation

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is the philosophy that might,

I said this today and yesterday,

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my sister, my wife,

and my daughter have taught me.

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They've brought me up well

so that I have to request,

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I have to implore,

sometimes beg, for a yes.

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Never force a woman for a yes.

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I think that philosophy

is behind Meer Foundation.

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Where I really want to get,

in which evidence, help out

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the woman, who has not been given

the choice to say no,

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or be able to assert her choices,

a little more effectively,

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get out of the sole definition

that society, you know,

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women's only problem

is we are defining them too much.

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They just want to be

defined by themselves.

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If I can be part of that movement,

part of that help, I think the three

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women in my house and the women that

I work with, they are really

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helping me find this path

and inshallah I'll be able

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to take it further.

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Shah Rukh Khan thank you very much

indeed for coming on HARDtalk.

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Thank you.

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