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her ministerial team. First question today from, making, concerning the

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EU's renewable heat targets. Questions to the Secretary of State

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for Energy and Climate Change. Question number two, Mr Speaker. A

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reformed domestic supply obligation from 2017 which will run for five

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years will upgrade the energy efficiency of over 200,000 homes per

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year, tackling the root cause of fuel poverty. The extension to the

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warm homes discount in 2021, at current levels of ?300 million per

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annum, would also help vulnerable households with energy bills. We

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intend to focus the efforts through eco-and the warm home discount more

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effectively and we will be consulting on the future approach in

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the spring. I thank the Minister for her answer. Fuel poverty is a sign

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of inequality. New research by the National charity has found that one

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in two low-income households are struggling to afford energy costs

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despite being in work. Many households rely on in work social

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assistance. Can I ask the Secretary of State if she or her Cabinet

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colleagues have made an assessment of the effect of welfare reform on

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low-income households judged to be in fuel poverty? We do in fact, in

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my department, work closely with the Department for Work and Pensions to

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ensure the support we give goes to the most honourable. Energy costs

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are always at the centre of our minds in this government. -- most

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vulnerable. When Hastings, Motherwell and the rest of the

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United Kingdom votes to leave the European Union in the referendum, we

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hope to abolish the 5% VAT on domestic fuel bills, which will

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really help those suffering from fuel poverty. Is that something you

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would welcome? The honourable gentleman will be aware that this

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government is focused always on making sure that the bills are kept

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down for householders in all constituencies. I would tactfully

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suggest that the Chancellor might have something to say about reducing

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VAT income on such a service. Evidence has suggested that

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disproportionately raw raw communities are affected or

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adversely by fuel poverty. One way of combating this is with the

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development of domestic energy syndicates, collective purchasing,

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if you will. What proactively should be department can do and should be

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doing to support such initiatives? The honourable gentleman is right

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and we are ensuring there is a focus on oral areas which often have the

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largest problem with fuel poverty. My partner works closely with

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various community energy schemes to make sure we assist them and we will

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continue to do so. David" top cat" Davies. LAUGHTER

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Fine by me, Mr Speaker. Would the honourable lady agree with me that

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renewable energies are two to three times more expensive than fossil

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fuels, and therefore the more renewables we use, the more fuel

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poverty we will create. The question should be intelligible to people

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beyond it. The explanation is that the middle initials are TC. My

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apologies. I don't share that view, I think energy supplies should be a

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mix and that means a combination of fossil fuels and renewable energy,

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and investing in renewable energy is an essential part of energy security

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as well as reducing carbon emissions and meeting targets.

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With permission, I will answer this question, question 18 together. We

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are currently considering the indications of the Paris outcome

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domestically and with EU partners. The 2015 target of at least 80%

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reduction from the 1990 baseline is already in statute and we are set on

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meeting it. We look forward to meeting the carbon targets later

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this year. The floods over the last few weeks are a reminder of the

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effects of climate change. As we have known for a while, these

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extreme weather events are here to stay. Given the government claims

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for the UK ambition at the Paris climate change talks, why were they

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at the same time undermining policies? I don't accept we are

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undermining those policies. What we are trying to do is get the right

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balance to support policies, support renewable energy, but also look

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after the bill payer and make sure not too much is added to their

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bills. I would remind the honourable lady that the UK is responsible for

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1% of the world's emissions. The success of Paris is that we deal

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with nearly 100% of the world's emissions, and that is where we will

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see the real difference in change. I hope the Secretary of State will

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agree that delivering the Paris climate agreement requires a cross

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departmental approach. If that is the case, can she explain why there

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appears to be no mention of climate change in the remit of the national

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infrastructure commission. Can she urged colleagues to remedy that, and

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can she say the rapid need for deep carbonisation will be a

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non-negotiable criteria for every single one of its projects. I thank

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the honourable lady for bringing up the national infrastructure

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commission. I had a preliminary meeting with the head of it, and we

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will shortly consult on which projects to prioritise. I can say

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the projects they have already said they will look at in our sector,

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which is interconnected as, systems operations, will be important for

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delivering on the less carbon future, and it will play an

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important role in getting cross-party consensus on getting the

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investment we need going forward. The secretary of state will be aware

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that the legally binding UK commitment is about 30 or 40% faster

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than that signed up by the EU in Paris. Some countries like Austria

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have increased emissions by about 20% since 1990. What discussions

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that she planned to have with her colleagues in Europe regarding

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getting their process up to the same level as the UK? You raise an

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interesting point. The fact is that the UK is leading in this area. Not

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only in terms of the commitment to the Climate Change Act, but also the

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structure of the commitment of fewer carbon emissions. The transparency

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of the regime and the five-year review. I will talk to colleagues in

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Europe to make sure they also step up and participate in the important

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sharing decisions taking place this year. The Secretary of State's words

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are one thing, but credibility with the public is another. My

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constituents are worried about jobs and renewables and our real

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commitment as a country to the deal we made in Paris. Will the Secretary

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of State be absolutely clear, is she going to do any more to protect

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worked in the renewables sector that affects my constituents? I know the

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honourable lady will be concerned about offshore wind, so close to her

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constituency. I hope she will share with me and welcome that Dong energy

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wants to invest ?6 million by 2020, which will be important for offshore

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element. Having signed up to the Paris agreement and with the UK

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agreements on this basis, we will see more investment and her

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constituents will benefit as well. Can I ask the Secretary of State, if

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Paris happened one year ago, would you still make the same

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announcements you have made in the last six months, adversely affecting

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onshore wind and solar, impacting badly on jobs and investor

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confidence. I don't accept the honourable member's interpretation

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of the announcements I have made. Those announcements have set out a

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clear path in getting a balance between making sure we continue to

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support renewable energy and getting the investment we need and also

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looking after people's bills. Paris was a triumph, let's recognise the

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fact it starts to bring other countries up to the high standards

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that the UK has placed on it and we encourage further investment. The

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decision to pull ?1 billion. The Prime Minister said we have to make

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decisions about technology that works and technology not working.

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How was that assessment made given the competition had not yet been

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completed? We don't rule out carbon capture and storage in the future.

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This government made substantial investments through the entrepreneur

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fund through early starts. We have industrialised carbon capture and

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storage operating and testing in Teesside. The decision was made not

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to have a ?1 billion investment, and it was a difficult decision made in

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a difficult spending round, but we recognised carbon capture and

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storage will have an important future in a low-carbon economy. The

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Prime Minister said it wasn't working, but the Secretary of State

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says it will work. One of them is clearly wrong, Mr Speaker. In his

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list of technology that was working, the Prime Minister included

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small-scale nuclear reactors. Can I ask the Secretary of State where

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this technology is working, and whether it is working as the Prime

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Minister would claim, why does it require ?250 million of taxpayer

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money? I can bring together some of the questions by highlighting the

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investment we are making in innovation. Innovation is an area

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where is we think we can see great steps forward in renewable energy

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and technology that will help to develop important new technologies

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to renewable energy. For instance, at Paris different countries came

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together to double investment in this area and I believe carbon

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capture and storage and small modular reactors will benefit from

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that investment going forward. This has told us further away, now

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we are on falls short of it by some 10% or 187 million tonnes, it is

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also predicted we will miss out 2020 renewal target. Could she explained

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precisely what steps you will be taking in the remainder of this

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Parliament to make good on the Prime Minister's. The UK is leading the

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way in order to cut emissions? I don't accept his depressing

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interpretation of our progress towards our targets. Our green new

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Bulls targets are difficult to make, but I can point out we have exceeded

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the interim target. We know we need to make more progress to do so,

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which is why I working across departments to make sure actions

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taken on heat and transport. In terms of the fourth carbon budget,

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it was recognised in 2011 that there was a problem with it and it is

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about making sure now that we put in place policies necessary to meet it.

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But being no doubt, we remain committed to doing that. The

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honourable member will be aware that the cost of UK reaction to reduce

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emissions is already committed. The Paris agreement will help ensure

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that all countries acting, helping to make sure climate change

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effectively addressed. Greater opportunities for UK business in low

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carbon transformation. Thank you for the answer, but would she accept

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that the estimates suggesting the UK is on track predate the cuts to the

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budget under allergic date: meaning that meeting the 2 degrees target

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would require further support from the government, particularly for low

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carbon generation. I do accept that this government needs to put in

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place more policies in order to make sure we beat our carbon budgets,

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which we have just been referring to. I would also point out how it

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the Palace climate change agreement is not as ambitious as the ambition

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that we already have in place through the climate change act,

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which is legally binding and is delivered through our carbon

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budgets. She rightly says the Palace climate agreement is not as

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ambitious as the climate change bill we have. National action plans and

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Palace commit the world's 22.7 degrees of warming. Bush outlined

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what or conversation she has had with her counterparts in Europe

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before the next uptake in 2018? She raises a very important point, the

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current proposals only achieve a reduction of 2.7 degrees and we

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would be ambitious to make sure we reached not only to degrees but

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would like to see it go further. There will be conversations this

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year to make sure we meet their EU renewables targets. We have

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discussions ahead of us, but the triumph of the Paris agreement is

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that it is not just the UK, but the whole of the world, where the

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largest emitters like China and India, are also participating.

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Number seven. With permission, Alain answer this question with number 13.

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My honourable friends will be aware that the agreement reached in Paris

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in December was a historic step forward. Almost 200 countries

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committed to climate action, there will now be follow-up work in the UN

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to agree the detailed rules and prepare for the five-year reviews.

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Does she agree that the deal agreed in Paris actually sees the world is

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signing up for the approach adopted by the UK in tackling climate change

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is in marked and she confident her approach means we will meet the

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goals agreed in Paris? He's absolutely right. The UK can take

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pride in the structure that was put together in Paris, because it mimics

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in some way the climate change act we have put in place so many years

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ago. The five-year review, the transparency, we need to combat all

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the time with an improved offer, it's absolutely the right way to go

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and I'm confident we'll be able to deliver on that. I'm excited about

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talking further to my international partners to make sure we have the

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right system to deliver it. Does she agree that making sure all countries

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who have signed up to the agreement submit regular and full updates and

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that data on progress is crucial, so we can see which countries are

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actually sticking to the agreement? He raises a very important point.

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Transparency in these reviews is absolutely essential and it is

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something that the UK for very hard for during the Paris negotiations,

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to make sure that when other countries come back with their

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five-year reviews, they have actually made it clear, so we can be

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certain that carbon emissions are being reduced. New figures from this

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department show that renewables are the biggest source of carbon

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reduction. Will she sure her department's own commitment to this

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vital sector by now accepting the case for the inclusion of projects

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in the period of renewables obligation, which have attracted

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significant investment and achieved all the technical requirements to

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meet the cut-off date of June 2015, including the farm in my

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constituency. The renewable industry, offshore wind and onshore

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is wind are great success story. It is a great opportunity for export

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for business and am happy to say a number of ministers spoke to me

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about this in Paris and I think there will be great opportunities.

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As regards individual wind Farms, I must ask her to write me separately,

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so a look at those. But I remind her that on the side of the house we are

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committed to making sure we deliver on our carbon targets while keeping

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the bills down. Number eight. Firstly, I'm delighted to see him

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fully recovered and back in his place. We support AD and wind, with

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full support from the government. These technologies can make a

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valuable contribution to our decarbonisation targets and we will

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continue to support them. Thank you. I recently met with residents at my

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surgery to discuss AD and biogas. Does she agree with me that compared

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to wind solo, biogas has anything since delivering consistent and

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reliable amounts of energy into the network? I do absolutely agree,

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there are real benefits for the UK in having a wide range of renewable

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energy sources, but he's quite right to point out that as the sector

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develops in the UK, biogas technologies could bring additional

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benefits, Inc including injecting into the gas grid and transporting.

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In her letter to other departments on the 29th of October, the

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Secretary of State, who I congratulate on her letter of

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stressing the importance of reaching renewable targets to recover to

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departments, she indicated that the highest potential for additional

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renewable heat is from bio methane injection into the grid, but you'll

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is said we would face a shortfall against part of that target related

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to the heat sector, even if support for her agreed measures was agreed

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in the spending review. Now that she does have the reduced amount of

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money for the renewables up to 2020, does she consider that amount is

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going to enable us to reach our heat targets by 2020? And if not, what

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new proposals will she be bringing forward to make sure that this

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investment in the sector that can enable us to reach that target? He

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is right to point out that we had a good settlement in the comprehensive

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spending review. We were very pleased with the commitment in this

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pension review to enhancing increasing renewable heat

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insensitive, and we're making good progress towards that. He will

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realise the fourth carbon budget is for a 23 to 27 and he wouldn't

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expect us to meet it today. Putting plans in place and working towards

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that progress as we speak, and we'll be continuing to set out plans

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choosing this year. Despite more effective use of packaging, better

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date labelling and programmes by supermarkets to distribute unsold

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food, we still generate substantial quantities of food waste. Does she

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agree that using this resource to generate electricity is better than

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sending it to landfill? I completely agree with them, and recently, I

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went to see a proposed new project in my own county of

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Northamptonshire, which is looking to use landfill to create a

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renewable heat scheme. There are contrasting the ideas coming

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forward, and I admire officials was very keen to hear about them and

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support them where we can. Number nine, please. And I commend my

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honourable friend for the first not commitment he has shown to

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researching best practice in this area. The government is committed to

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protecting our most valuable spaces from server strolling of wells for

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fracking. On the 4th of November, we set out how we plan to do this and

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will issue a response to our industry consultation closed on

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December 16 as soon as possible. I very much welcome the minister's

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comments. The task force Rush Elgar first called for a single regulator

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and increased levels of individual monitoring. But the ministers agree

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this would improve public confidence and provide further protection,

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particularly for a more sensitive areas? The task force is 2015 report

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says that the regulatory regime is currently fit for purpose, but my

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honourable friend rightly points out their proposal that if a shield gas

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industry does develop, the government should consider creating

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a bespoke regulator and I can is your him we will keep the regulatory

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regime under review to make sure it remains fit for purpose. This second

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point about independent monitoring, I entirely agree with them and that

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is why we are already grant funding baseline monitoring in

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Northamptonshire and Lincolnshire. Does the Minister accept that is

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widespread opposition to fracking in all parts of Britain? Will she

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congratulate, as I have done, the residents in Bolsover for refusing

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to allow drilling operation and getting it stopped, not all made by

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the local authority, but by her own inspectorates? I think it's quite

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extraordinary at honourable members opposite continually talk about the

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potential for shale is as if it is some kind of disaster. The

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honourable gentleman himself comes amid very honourable and

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long-standing mining area. Mining has a legacy that we will be dealing

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with for many years to come. The shale industry offers the

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opportunity to really create a new home-grown energy source that is

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vital for our energy security into the next decade. When will the

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Secretary of State produce some legally enforceable protection

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against service level fracking in our national parks and areas of

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interest? Hopefully, she will have heard my initial comments, which is

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that we have been able to put forward a proposal to restrict

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surface gelling in any of our most protected areas, not limited to

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national parks, but including many other valuable spaces, through the

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licensing, and as things stand, we are waiting for our report and

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response of the industry consultation that closed on December

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16, and we will be announcements very soon. Question number ten. As

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more domestic community and business generators come on stream, the

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demand for a grid connection is increasing. Accommodating this is

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the responsibility of the network companies, overseen by Jen. Network

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companies publish long-term plans to see how a generation will be

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managed. She might want to look at the ten year statement as a good

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example of this. Let's face it, the National Grid is notorious for

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stifling new energy projects. Given that the tough bill involves

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devolving stations up to 350 megawatts, but not transmission, how

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will the Minister work with the Welsh government to make sure this

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isn't a empty promise. about 1.7 billion of this is for the

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distribution company that is responsible for North Wales that

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includes the Lady's own constituency. Does the Minister

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share my concern is that in the short to medium turn our energy

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security might be put at risk if capacity markets put in place to

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bring forward new gas capacity, not only fails to bring forward new gas

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capacity, but also works to make current gas capacity, such as

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provided by the power station in my constituency, to be no longer

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worthwhile doing, and that comes off stream. I can tell the honourable

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gentleman we have just completed the second capacity market auction,

:26:58.:27:02.

achieved a very competitive price for consumers, and as you will know,

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a top row or two for this covenant is to keep the bills down. At the

:27:06.:27:08.

same time we can ensure national Grid has the tools at its disposal

:27:09.:27:19.

to don't share his concerns. We want to bring a new gas, but there are

:27:20.:27:26.

not concerns about renewable energy. Number 11. Solar is an enormous UK

:27:27.:27:31.

success story and one this government continues to support. As

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my right honourable friend the Prime Minister said yesterday, 98% of all

:27:37.:27:40.

solar deployment has taken place since 2010. We announce the feeder

:27:41.:27:52.

tariff scheme would remain open. We can potentially deliver 1.2

:27:53.:27:57.

gigawatts across 220,000 installations by 2019. I would like

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to thank my honourable friend for that answer. I have the opportunity

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recently of meeting a company in the solar sector industry in my

:28:06.:28:11.

constituency, and was very impressed with the technology innovation and

:28:12.:28:15.

job creation of that company. Would she give me an assurance that the

:28:16.:28:18.

government will do everything possible to continue supporting this

:28:19.:28:23.

important energy source. As my honourable friend will know, it's a

:28:24.:28:28.

key priority to keep consumer bills down, so it's always a balance

:28:29.:28:32.

between supporting what is a superb UK industry with making sure

:28:33.:28:36.

consumer bills remain affordable. We will continue to support the further

:28:37.:28:40.

growth of the sector, but not at any price. So the changes we have made

:28:41.:28:45.

another feeding tariff six to maintain a solar industry which in

:28:46.:28:48.

the medium term can continue to reduce cost and move towards a

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subsidy free deployment. Could the Minister update the house on what

:28:54.:28:59.

steps she is taking to make sure the rate of VAT on solar installations

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doesn't arise as potentially proposed from 5% to 20%, so

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affecting about ?9 on average solar installations. He's exactly right to

:29:11.:29:15.

raise this, an important point. He will know this is a result of

:29:16.:29:20.

proceedings by the European Commission who believe our VAT rates

:29:21.:29:23.

on solar installation should be higher than they are. It's something

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HMRC are looking at closely and consulting on, and taking into

:29:30.:29:32.

account what the outcome of that consultation is, we will look

:29:33.:29:35.

further at the regime we have in place. Bexhill and Battle

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constituency has a number of thriving solar businesses, some of

:29:42.:29:45.

which I have worked with over the recent changes for feed in tariffs.

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As the government looks for the industry to expand, can I ask how

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the Minister will support the delivery of energy storage solutions

:29:56.:29:58.

for existing and future solar systems. My honourable friend is

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exactly right to point out the huge potential for energy storage to

:30:05.:30:08.

enhance the value of solar installations. My department has

:30:09.:30:12.

provided more than ?18 million of innovation support since 2012 to

:30:13.:30:18.

support and demonstrate a range of technologies. We also investigating

:30:19.:30:22.

the potential barriers to the deployment of energy storage,

:30:23.:30:26.

focusing in the first instance of removing regulatory barriers and we

:30:27.:30:29.

plan to hold a call for evidence in the spring on specifically this

:30:30.:30:36.

area. Many constituencies fear the end of solar. What about the ?1

:30:37.:30:43.

rescue scheme, and what is the response to that? As I think my

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right honourable friend and I have made clear on many occasions, there

:30:51.:30:55.

is a fine balance. As a new technology, as the costs come down,

:30:56.:31:00.

as they have done so with this excellent UK solar industry, so we

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must focus on the needs of people in this country to be able to afford

:31:05.:31:09.

their energy bills. Fuel poverty is an enormous problem here. What we

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don't want to do is over subsidise, so it's a fine balance. We think our

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results in December to the consultation provide that fine

:31:20.:31:23.

balance, giving a 5% investment return to installations on solar.

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That's fair to consumers and the industry. EU minimum import prices

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on Chinese, Taiwanese and Malaysians sells inflate the cost of an average

:31:38.:31:43.

solar installation by ?385. The Minister is working to extract the

:31:44.:31:46.

UK from this, but will she update the house on her progress and set a

:31:47.:31:50.

date by which she hopes to end these price controls. I certainly agree

:31:51.:31:56.

with my honourable friend that this is an unwelcome drain on the UK

:31:57.:32:03.

solar industry. I also agree it would be fairer and simpler to

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remove it while the UK review is under review. It's one for the

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commission, not member states. The anti-dumping and anti-subsidy

:32:16.:32:18.

regulations require the commission to maintain existing trade defence

:32:19.:32:21.

measures while the expiry review takes place. It could be some months

:32:22.:32:30.

yet. Last year the solar trade Association estimated 27,000 workers

:32:31.:32:35.

would lose their jobs as a result of the government proposed 87% cut to

:32:36.:32:39.

the feed in tariff. Following public outcry, which included both sides of

:32:40.:32:44.

the house, her department reduced the cut to 64%, saving around 8000

:32:45.:32:48.

jobs. Something I'm sure the Minister would love to take credit

:32:49.:32:52.

for. However, can she say what the message is to the remaining 19,000

:32:53.:32:56.

solar workers who now face redundancy in the coming year as a

:32:57.:33:02.

result of the tariff cuts? What I can say to the honourable gentleman

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is that UK solar is a huge success story. It has grown rapidly since

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2010 with enormous support from energy consumers in the UK. As we

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have said time and again, there is a balance. We absolutely welcome the

:33:21.:33:24.

jobs and growth that has been provided in the sector, but what we

:33:25.:33:28.

can't do is to continue to support jobs just through bill payer

:33:29.:33:35.

subsidy, it's not fair. What our members can ensure is that there is

:33:36.:33:39.

good potential for the industry to continue to grow and jobs be

:33:40.:33:43.

supported whilst bills remain affordable. Number 12. The

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government is making it quicker and easier for consumers to switch

:33:52.:33:54.

supplier and moved to the best value tariffs. We have a national

:33:55.:33:58.

switching campaign, worked with the industry to cut the time it takes to

:33:59.:34:01.

switch to 17 days, and are working with Ofgem to move towards reliable

:34:02.:34:08.

next day switching. We also are working to wards and energy

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switching guarantee to be produced later this year. It's the vulnerable

:34:14.:34:19.

customers where this is particularly important, and they should be able

:34:20.:34:23.

to find the best value tariffs. Would she say more about what the

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government is doing to spread that message and ensure these consumers

:34:28.:34:29.

are getting the best deals available. Would she agree with me

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that perhaps organisations such as carers organisations and children's

:34:37.:34:40.

centres that support vulnerable younger families, that they could

:34:41.:34:45.

have a role to play. I do agree with my right honourable friend, it's

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absolutely essential that we improve access for vulnerable people to the

:34:50.:34:52.

switching that could provide such great benefits. If people can

:34:53.:34:57.

benefit from a ?200 saving on energy bill, it's no good unless they can

:34:58.:35:04.

access it. That's why we have launched the big energy saving

:35:05.:35:08.

network, and are ensuring vulnerable people who particularly need the

:35:09.:35:10.

improvement of the energy bills this can deliver can access it. One of

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the ways this is done to is through the citizens advice bureau. We will

:35:16.:35:17.

look at other suggestions put forward. It has been identified that

:35:18.:35:26.

the sticky customer base are not being served well by their energy

:35:27.:35:31.

suppliers. Something like 70% of those customers on the standard

:35:32.:35:34.

variable tariff are paying over the odds. As the secretary looked into

:35:35.:35:38.

the suggestion I have made in the last year and before that, that we

:35:39.:35:42.

need to protect those customers as well, with maybe a default or

:35:43.:35:48.

protection tariff to make sure suppliers provide tariffs that are

:35:49.:35:53.

fair to their customers. The Right Honourable Lady raises an important

:35:54.:35:57.

point, and it's helpful to have the suggestion about the competition and

:35:58.:36:01.

market authority who have just begun to include in their consideration

:36:02.:36:05.

the issue of vulnerable customers on prepayment meters. We are interested

:36:06.:36:07.

in the recommendations they will make over the next few months, we

:36:08.:36:12.

hope, to make sure we look after vulnerable customers who are not

:36:13.:36:16.

able to switch. We have said before that we will take seriously and act

:36:17.:36:20.

on the recommendations they make to make sure we look after those

:36:21.:36:27.

customers who haven't engaged in switching, but should be doing so,

:36:28.:36:30.

and we look forward to seeing their suggestions on Redmond remedies to

:36:31.:36:35.

do so. I welcome the concern by members across the house for

:36:36.:36:39.

consumers and best value. Last month the Secretary of State agreed to

:36:40.:36:41.

hand out hundreds of millions of pounds in new public subsidies to

:36:42.:36:47.

diesel and coal power generators through the capacity market scheme.

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Can she tell the house how much family energy bills will rise as a

:36:52.:36:58.

consequence? The capacity market is specifically designed to ensure that

:36:59.:37:02.

energy security is not negotiable. Energy security is something this

:37:03.:37:06.

government takes very seriously. Because of the lack of investment in

:37:07.:37:09.

energy infrastructure over the past decades we have needed to make sure

:37:10.:37:13.

the capacity market is in place to make sure we do not have any problem

:37:14.:37:18.

at all with energy security. Diesel will form a part of the future, but

:37:19.:37:23.

only in very small amounts. Let's remember, is there as back-up, and

:37:24.:37:26.

will be switched on occasionally when it's needed. The condition of

:37:27.:37:31.

the capacity market to people's bills will be a matter of a few

:37:32.:37:35.

pounds. It's astonishing she comes to the house and repeatedly said,

:37:36.:37:38.

and I quote, that the government wants to put as little pressure as

:37:39.:37:44.

possible onto hard-pressed households, and is spectacularly

:37:45.:37:46.

unable to answer a very simple question about how much this will

:37:47.:37:52.

put on to family energy bills. In just one day in December, she agreed

:37:53.:37:56.

to subsidise highly polluting diesel generators to the tune of ?175

:37:57.:38:04.

million, paid for by increasing family energy bills. Can she and is

:38:05.:38:08.

this, are those companies now expected to make returns of more

:38:09.:38:11.

than 20% at the expense of bill payers? What is astonishing is the

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honourable ladies's lack of understanding of the fact that the

:38:18.:38:22.

capacity market is needed because of Labour's woeful underinvestment in

:38:23.:38:25.

infrastructure under their government. We are left with the

:38:26.:38:30.

consequences of making sure their energy security is completely

:38:31.:38:34.

reliable. The capacity market is essential to ensure that hole is

:38:35.:38:37.

filled. We are proud of the way it has delivered at a second auction

:38:38.:38:43.

just completed. As I said, it's a few pounds, it will be under ?10,

:38:44.:38:47.

and we will ensure that energy security is never going to be a

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question under this government. Number 14, Mr Speaker. I can assure

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the honourable member that the good progress is being made. Energy

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suppliers have now installed over 200 metres in homes and small

:39:06.:39:08.

businesses across Britain ahead of the main installation state this

:39:09.:39:16.

year. -- stage this year. In September 2014 the Public Accounts

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Committee raised real concerns about the roll-out of smart meters.

:39:19.:39:23.

Recently a former Conservative energy adviser warned the Secretary

:39:24.:39:26.

of State that the roll-out would at best be regarded as a waste of

:39:27.:39:33.

money, and that it is now a ghastly mess, I quote. What are you doing to

:39:34.:39:38.

resolve these problems. I don't agree with that particular position.

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I think smart meters are going to have a great future in this country.

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We discussed earlier in these questions the issue of energy

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security and fuel poverty and smart meters will be a very good way for

:39:52.:39:56.

people to reduce their bills and use less energy, therefore creating less

:39:57.:39:59.

carbon emissions and smart meters are an aborted part. No doubt the

:40:00.:40:04.

introduction of smart meters will help customers control their energy

:40:05.:40:09.

bills. Just so they are aware of the background to this, can the Minister

:40:10.:40:13.

confirm that the UK is rolling out smart meters because of the European

:40:14.:40:26.

Union's directive 2009 Stoke 72 EC. The honourable gentleman is right

:40:27.:40:29.

that the European Union does have directives that give us guidance on

:40:30.:40:34.

this. But there is no question that this initiative of smart meters is

:40:35.:40:38.

of huge advantage to the UK customers, and it's the UK customers

:40:39.:40:41.

and consumers who will always be put first. Number 15, Mr Speaker. As my

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right honourable friend announced in her November speech, we are

:40:52.:40:54.

committed to the continued growth of UK offshore wind where Britain is

:40:55.:40:58.

already the world leader. This industry is a huge potential source

:40:59.:41:01.

of jobs and growth and we will always focus on maximising UK

:41:02.:41:05.

content in the supply chain. He will appreciate the decision on where to

:41:06.:41:09.

base one company's operations is a commercial decision for them,

:41:10.:41:13.

however, my officials are working closely with the developer can

:41:14.:41:16.

Scottish Gottman to maximise the use of UK Government in his wind farm.

:41:17.:41:18.

-- Scottish Government. Dundee and its port is ideally

:41:19.:41:31.

placed to provide operation maintain and air supply.

:41:32.:41:37.

Well, I absolutely agree with him. I am thinking, recently I visited one

:41:38.:41:42.

of the ports in Scotland, Aberdeen, to hear how they are trying to

:41:43.:41:48.

expand to accommodate not just their growth of offshore wind but the

:41:49.:41:51.

potential for decommissioning in the future. It is vital that whatever

:41:52.:41:58.

our energy policy we focus as far as possible on maximising all the

:41:59.:42:04.

content we can in the supply chain. Number 19, Mr Speaker.

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The oil and gas industry is vital to our economy, providing over 350,000

:42:11.:42:14.

jobs and the Government is committed to supporting it. Our latest

:42:15.:42:19.

projections show in 2030 oil and gas will still be a core part of our

:42:20.:42:25.

energy mix, providing nearly 70% of the UK's primary energy

:42:26.:42:27.

requirements. Our commitment to the industry is why we have established

:42:28.:42:32.

the oil and gas authority which is charged with working the industry to

:42:33.:42:37.

maximise the economic recovery of the UK's gas and oil resources. I

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thank the minister. The oil and gas industry has asked her Government

:42:42.:42:51.

for further tax relief. And the and a professor has said it is necessary

:42:52.:42:55.

to explore the potential of the North Sea. What considerations has

:42:56.:43:00.

she given to refundable tax credit for exploration?

:43:01.:43:04.

So the honourable lady will be aware that the Chancellor has already

:43:05.:43:12.

significantly improved the fiscal the regime to encourage for

:43:13.:43:16.

exploration in the North Sea basin. We had a series of meetings before

:43:17.:43:22.

Christmas with the oil and gas authority and others to discuss

:43:23.:43:26.

exactly what other measures could take and certainly that further

:43:27.:43:30.

fiscal measure is on the table. So too is the vital importance of

:43:31.:43:37.

getting production costs down, making more efficiencies, sharing

:43:38.:43:40.

infrastructure and that is what the OGA is focussed on doing. I am

:43:41.:43:45.

grateful to my honourable friend for raising that question and the reply.

:43:46.:43:48.

I can acknowledge the work the Government has done in this sector.

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Can the minister give me her assurance in the lead up to the

:43:54.:43:57.

Budget in March that she will leave no stone unturned in ensuring this

:43:58.:44:03.

vet lally important industry secures the support it needs at this

:44:04.:44:07.

difficult time? I am grateful to my honourable friend who has done so

:44:08.:44:12.

much - #230e cusses so much on this -- focuses so much on this sector.

:44:13.:44:16.

We are focussed on what can be done in all areas to try and support this

:44:17.:44:21.

vital UK sector. THE SPEAKER: Order. Topical

:44:22.:44:26.

questions. Mr Mann. Topical one, Mr Speaker. Mr Speaker, my thoughts are

:44:27.:44:31.

with all of those affected by the recent flooding. Energy security is

:44:32.:44:36.

our number one priority. We are working closely with the industry to

:44:37.:44:42.

look at the risks, including severe weather, to put protections in place

:44:43.:44:48.

and stop disruptions. We have ensured that power is restored to

:44:49.:44:52.

customers as soon as possible in very challenging circumstances.

:44:53.:44:57.

Everyone in this chamber benefits this year from the electricity the

:44:58.:45:05.

cool burnt - coal burnt at power stations. What contingency

:45:06.:45:10.

arrangement has been reached with EDF to ensure that in 2026 and

:45:11.:45:17.

beyond, when we don't have enough power available, the decision to

:45:18.:45:22.

close down coal-based power stations can be reversed? Well, Mr Speaker,

:45:23.:45:28.

can I reassure the honourable gentleman that we are moving to a

:45:29.:45:33.

consultation on ending coal-fired pou irstations by 2025 -- power

:45:34.:45:37.

stations by 2025. I am sure he'll want to participate in it. This

:45:38.:45:40.

Government is taking the long-term view on getting the right mix of

:45:41.:45:45.

decarbonising and having nerge security. That is why we are making

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this plan well ahead of time. It is ten years ahead. Thank you, Mr

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Speaker. Given the revisions to the feed-in tariffs which will come into

:45:56.:45:59.

force, has my friend made assessment on the likely effects on the solar

:46:00.:46:04.

industry, particularly in the south west, where the sun nearly always

:46:05.:46:10.

shines? Well, of course, he's absolutely right the sun always

:46:11.:46:15.

nearly shines there. It is a great place for solar has been a

:46:16.:46:20.

spectacular success there. The tariffs aim to give it sited with

:46:21.:46:28.

well-sighted projects. Around 5% for solar. We believe this will be by

:46:29.:46:35.

2021 save up to ?330 million a year to bill payers. At the same time

:46:36.:46:40.

enable 220,000 new installations to be subsidised under the new feeding

:46:41.:46:43.

tariff. Thank you. Can I welcome the

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Secretary of State's update to the House on the actions take no-one

:46:49.:46:51.

response to the floods. Particularly welcome the Prime Minister's

:46:52.:46:56.

decision to set up a cross-Whitehall review of the Government's approach

:46:57.:46:59.

to flood defences, which will consider the rising flood risk posed

:47:00.:47:03.

by climate change. Mr Speaker, we know now that the last review, in

:47:04.:47:08.

2014, which was also led by the member for West Dorset met just

:47:09.:47:13.

three times and didn't publish a single finding K the Secretary of

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State confirm to the House that she personally attends this committee?

:47:19.:47:21.

Can she tell us whether it has met yet? Can she tell us how often it

:47:22.:47:26.

plans to meet? Which independent expeshts are on it and what this

:47:27.:47:31.

time -- expects are on it and what she time she expects it to achieve?

:47:32.:47:35.

This Government takes seriously the impact of climate change and the

:47:36.:47:39.

fact it has had such a devastating impact in terms of the flooding

:47:40.:47:45.

recently. I can reassure here that we participated, this department, in

:47:46.:47:52.

regular meetings of COBRA on a almost daily basis, to ensure that

:47:53.:47:56.

electricity source were restored as quickly as possible. The review will

:47:57.:48:02.

take place and we will keep a careful, watchful eye on making sure

:48:03.:48:06.

it does meet and make sure it looks carefully at what impact it has had.

:48:07.:48:11.

Thank you, Mr Speaker. What steps is the Government taking to address the

:48:12.:48:15.

increasing shortage of skills in the nuclear industry? Well, we have

:48:16.:48:21.

already taken a lot of action to tackle the skills problem at a all

:48:22.:48:25.

levels, from programmes to attract more school children to stem

:48:26.:48:29.

careers, to apprenticeships and training at all levels, as well as

:48:30.:48:34.

setting in train work for transfer of skills from wider sectors. He's

:48:35.:48:38.

right to highlight the need for new nuclear skills. Hiply will provide

:48:39.:48:45.

25,000 jobs and 1,000 apprenticeships. Thank you Mr

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Speaker. It suggests 18700 jobs could be lost as a result of the 65%

:48:51.:48:57.

reduction to the solar feed-in tariff. What loss in income tax will

:48:58.:49:02.

this mean to Government, in light of the ?16 billion fall short of tax

:49:03.:49:09.

receipts last year? What is the combined effect if HMC press forward

:49:10.:49:14.

with the increase of tax to solar installations? I can assure the

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honourable gentleman this Government remains committed to the on-going

:49:20.:49:23.

success of the solar industry. As I explained in an earlier reply. What

:49:24.:49:27.

we cannot do is simply keep jobs going as a result of subsidy. Our

:49:28.:49:33.

best guess under our tariff is that will support up to 23,000 jobs in

:49:34.:49:38.

the solar sector. Of course it is up for the sector to bring down the

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costs, as far as possible, to reach a subsidy-free stage by 2020. Of

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course we will do everything we can, as I have said, if the VAT rate has

:49:47.:49:50.

to go up, then we will look at what more we can do within the tariff to

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ensure we don't penalise the sector. Thank you. Can I refer the House to

:49:56.:50:01.

my register, the register of interests as chairman of globe

:50:02.:50:05.

international, which held a successful summit recently in Paris

:50:06.:50:10.

as part of a process. Can I ask the Secretary of State, does she agree

:50:11.:50:18.

with me that the world's leading network of parliamentarians devoted

:50:19.:50:21.

to leadership, legislative leadership in climate change, has a

:50:22.:50:27.

key role to play to make sure it is reality. And to meet with me p to

:50:28.:50:33.

make sure this is achieved? Well, I thank the honourable gentleman for

:50:34.:50:37.

his question. I am aware that Globe is one of the largest forums on

:50:38.:50:44.

sustainable development. I acknowledge his important role in

:50:45.:50:48.

chairing it. I will be delighted to meet him to discuss how we can

:50:49.:50:52.

promote parliamentarian international development on this

:50:53.:50:57.

important subject. I was absolutely delighted when the minister said in

:50:58.:51:02.

June at her renewable summit that we will remove subsidies. When does she

:51:03.:51:09.

expect the subsidies to disappear completely? Projects just off the

:51:10.:51:15.

coast of the honourable member's constituency provide enough

:51:16.:51:20.

electricity for over 100,000 homes, follows hundreds of millions

:51:21.:51:23.

invested by the developer, much of which was spent locally. I am sure

:51:24.:51:28.

he'll welcome that. We have to get the balance between supporting newer

:51:29.:51:32.

technologies and being tough on subsidies to keep bills as low as

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possible. We will work towards getting technology subsidy, free.

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By far and aware in the EU one third of electricity comes from that

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source. China has 50 stations under construction. We need small modular

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reactors. Can the minister set up her plans and in this regard?

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Nuclear is an important part of our energy future. I am very proud we

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have signed the first new nuclear deal in over 20 years. It will have

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an important part. We are using part of our substantial innovation

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funding to make sure we bring them on as early as possible. It will not

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be at the expect of reactors going forward. Smaller nuclear is what we

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will aim for. Earlier this week the SNP agreed a support package to

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retain staff at DL and Clydebridge steel plans, this will address

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costs. Can I ask what consideration the Secretary of State or of Cabinet

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colleagues va given to bringing forward a co-her hent strategy to

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address the high energy costs facing businesses across the UK? We are

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well aware of the importance of keeping energy costs down in order

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to support businesses and households. My honourable friend,

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the Prime Minister, announced that intensives would be given a specific

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package of support and that has got state aid clearance and will be put

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in place as soon as possible. The minister will be aware that just

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before Christmas, the European Commission announced new tariffs in

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Malaysian power and they would back these to May last year. That could

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result in many solar companies having an unwant and devastating tax

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-- unwanted and devastating tax bill. Will she make sure this does

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not happen? I think the honourable gentleman is right to raise this. It

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is a real concern that in spite of the fact that the cost of solar

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panels have developed dramatically, nevertheless in Europe they remain

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higher than elsewhere in the world as a result of the import tariffs.

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The commissioner was writ on the explaining how bad this is for the

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onof going success of the UK industry. We will do everything we

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can to ensure that those get removed as soon as possible.

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Mr Speaker, we were disapointed in the Humber last year not to be

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granted the national wind college in the locality, especially in light of

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the renewables which is important to the future of the Humber area. I

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wonder if ministers would meet with me and representatives to discuss

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what can be done to promote a national wind college to promote

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funding in the area. I would be delighted to meet with her and

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colleagues. I had a huge u poer to see the new blade -- I - there have

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been new jobs and apprenticeships in her area. I think we should do

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everything we can to promote this northern energy powerhouse, which is

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taking off and doing so well. THE SPEAKER: There is an arm of

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opposition members to catch my eye. I say to the member that I don't

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want him to feel excluded. If he wishes to contribute now we will

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happily hear him. Not at the moment. As soon as he wants to, he can. Mr

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Newlands. These households are more likely to

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have prepaid metres. These are ?200 more ex-penive per year. Can the

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speck of state tell me what she will do to make sure they have

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availability to lower prices, as those on other methods?

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In Paisley and Renfrewshire North, there have been eco-measures that

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will help your constituents. 119 measures per 100,000 households to

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be installed by 2015, compared to the average 77 per thousand in the

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rest of the UK. Rest assured we are focused on making sure bills stay

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low and making sure fuel poverty is addressed and the ecosystem is one

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of the best ways to do that. In Northern Ireland one in five

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pensioners are defined as living in income poverty. 65% of those are in

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fuel poverty. What about the dealings with colleagues in Northern

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Ireland to address these issues? Keeping fuel poverty up they are

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making sure we can keep bills down is a absolute priority. Regarding

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the statistics, I'd have to write to him. Outside Hinkley Point C, the

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proposed new power station the government is considering, this

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means yet again the government will be held to hostage. No guaranteed

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programme, high profits for the suppliers, extortionate rates

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agreed, for the just to users. Should the government not do the

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decent thing and rethink this nuclear at all cost policy? The

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government thinks nuclear reactors are an important part of delivering

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on a low carbon future. There is a great opportunity to make sure we

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develop skills. On the particular example he has referred to, I will

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ensure my department looks at it carefully and comes back with

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answers. In her attempt to explain the hugely unpopular cuts to solar,

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the Secretary of State constantly pretends it's about reducing costs

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to householders. Given industry analysis shows solar costs around

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half the cost of Hinckley over 35 years and save consumers around ?15

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billion, how can she keep justifying such blatant double standards when

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it comes to nuclear power? The honourable ladies not dealing with

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the facts. The facts are that the solar changes will still deliver 5%

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yields to people who put them up. The fact is that nuclear provides

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important baseload. When the sun isn't shining, or when the wind

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isn't blowing. The honourable lady can have her own views but not her

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own facts. Last, but never forgotten, Mr Skinner. With the

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Chinese economy hitting the buffers, week after week, does it make sense

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to continue with this Chinese connection of nuclear power in

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Britain? Isn't it time it was abandoned? A shine has been knocked

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off it every single day. Change your mind. Can I reassure the honourable

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gentleman that we are ambitious for this country, confident in our

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regulations, open for business, and if the Chinese want to make a

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substantial investment in delivery new nuclear then we will be able to

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take it and make a great success of it. Order, business question. Chris

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Bryant. We'll be leader give us the business for this week and next week

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and all the rest? Probably not all the rest, Mr Speaker, but the

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business next week on Monday the 11th, we will debate the remaining

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stages of the Armed Forces Bill. After that, a general debate on

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local government funding for rural areas nominated by the backbench

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business committee. On Tuesday the 12th, the conclusion of the

:59:56.:59:58.

remaining stages of the Housing and planning Bill. On Wednesday the

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13th, an opposition day with a debate on trade exports, innovation

:00:04.:00:07.

and productivity in the name of the Scottish National party. On Thursday

:00:08.:00:14.

the 14th, another day of business nominated by the backbench business

:00:15.:00:15.

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