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children through its life-savers project how to make sure that they

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don't get into debt, this is evidence that the church will be

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supportive of what he has suggested. Urgent question. Will the Minister

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make a statement on events planned by the group return of King 's?

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There is a self-styled US pick-up artist, reporting had suggested that

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they were scheduled to hold nine events across the UK on Saturday. An

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announcement on the group's website has been publicised in the press,

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which states that no Return of Kings events will be held on Saturday. The

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government condemns in the strongest terms anyone who condones rape and

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sexual violence or suggest that responsible teat. In these crimes

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rests with the victims. Responsibility always unequivocally

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rests with the perpetrator of these serious crimes. Any form of violence

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against women or girls is absolutely unacceptable. The impact of domestic

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and sexual violence on victims, visit click, psychologically and

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emotionally, cannot be overstated. The government is working closely

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with victims and survivors, support services, the police and come and

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justice to end these crimes. If women or offences have been

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committed, including incitement of violence against women, the

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Government would expect local police forces to deal with any offenders

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appropriately. The Government does not routinely comment on individual

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cases, but the Home Secretary has powers to exclude an individual who

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is not a British citizen if she considers their presence in the UK

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is not conducive to the public good. This Home Secretary has excluded

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more foreign nationals on the grounds of unacceptable behaviour

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than any before her. This can and has excluded exclusions over

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violence against women. -- included. We are pleased that the Return of

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Kings events appear to have been cancelled, and I look forward to a

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full discussion, which is due to take place this afternoon. I am sure

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we will discuss these issues at length. I welcome her response,

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there has been widespread ridicule but also revulsion at the antics of

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the group Return of Kings from the respected Police and Crime

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Commissioner for Northumberland, parliamentary colleagues around the

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house, the member for Rotherham has written to the Minister, widespread

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coverage in the media, 63,000 signatures are on the online

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petition calling for the events to be banned, so I am glad they are not

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going ahead. That is in no measure due to the government, but we need

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assurances for the future, as we know that the man has said he could

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not stop men attending private meetings. Can I ask the Minister,

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she mentions the Home Secretary can exclude individuals from the UK,

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what information does the Government hold about the man's plans to travel

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here in the future? Would he attract a band? Have you considered

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classifying Return of Kings as a prescribed group? Events were

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advertised to his followers, which led to plans for

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counterdemonstrations in a number of UK cities, creating a threat to

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public order and women's safety. The Minister has said the police have

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powers to act if they believe that crimes have been committed, does she

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believe the threshold for incitement to rape or hate crimes has been met?

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What discussions and guidance have been issued to the police on

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handling these activities? In relation to the online advertising

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of the events, which required participants to give the postcode

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pet shop to be admitted, what discussion has the Government had to

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take down these offensive posts? These events took place against a

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backdrop of a 41% increase of rape in the past year, and the loss of

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much specialist revision. 29% of the cuts to local authorities announced

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in the 2015 Spending Review could fall on services to support those

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suffering violence against women, according to the women's budget

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group, 32 refuges have closed between 2010 and 2014, and many rape

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crisis centres have told me that they have no guarantee about their

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funding after next month. Would the Minister assure the house that that

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funding would be continued from April's of the Minister has

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mentioned, there will be a debate in Westminster Hall on the role of men

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in tackling violence against women, that is welcome, I expect it will

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cuddle -- cover perpetrator programmes and compulsory sex and

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Russian ship programmes, which we have pressed for the many years. Was

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she commit to introducing compulsory sex and Russian ship education as

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part of the curriculum in every school? When will the government

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ratify and implement the Convention signed in 2012? What is the

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explanation for the delay? Can I start by joining the honourable lady

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in agreeing that the comments from this individual and the proposals by

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this group are absolutely propulsive, and everybody in this

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house would join her and me in condemning what they have said. This

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has no place in reddish society. The Government is taking all steps we

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can to deal with these matters, I would be happy to write to her on

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the specifics of what the government can do, because I cannot comment on

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individual cases, and much of what she has asked about its operational

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matters for local police, and I would be happy to write about what

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local police can do and what they are able to do in terms of stopping

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these activities. But it would not be appropriate for me to go into

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detail here. She has talked about ridicule. I share with her a view

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that we should ridicule, we should show contempt and show that these

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are the most ridiculous views. She mentioned Vera Baird, I agree, we

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should make a point of ridiculing and showing that if we can see that

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these are ludicrous comments, people will see that they do not want to be

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part of this. She asked about Internet providers. We do talk with

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Internet providers on the topic of many subjects, indecent images of

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children, the topics of children having access to pornographic

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material, and inappropriate material. I would be taking this

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point up with the Internet providers when I next see them next month. She

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asked about the Istanbul convention. We have an issue on Article 44, and

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extraterritoriality matter, we are discussing it with the devolved

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administrations. I am not going to ratify the treaty -- Convention

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until I am certain we comply with all measures in the convention. We

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comply with everything else, but I want to make sure we deal with that

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point before we do the ratification. She talked about the debate this

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afternoon, I want to pay tribute to the White ribbon campaign, which has

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been instrumental in making clear that men do not want to see violence

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against women and girls. If I could take her up on a point about the 41%

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increase in rates, that is in reported rape. We welcome that. It

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shows that victims have the confidence to come forward and our

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reporting. If they report those crimes, we can then get convictions,

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which are at the highest level they have ever been. The crime survey

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shows that the level of this crime is not going up. I welcome that, we

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want to see more reporting, I hope she would join me in welcoming that

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increase in reporting. I welcome the government's commitment to raising

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awareness of sexual and relationship abuse through its campaign. Would

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she agreed that more emphasis needs to be put on controlling behaviour

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and emotional abuse, which often goes unreported? I thank her for

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that question. This campaign has been extremely successful, I am

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pleased the Government and announced that we are continuing with that. It

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is so important that young people understand what is appropriate,

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understand what a normal loving relationship is, as opposed to an

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abusive one. She will also note that in December a new offence of

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domestic abuse, coercive control, commenced. This new offence, which

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has been called for for many years, is difficult, that is why we made

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sure we got it right, but we now have the ability to prosecute and

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conflict poser offenders who never commit physical violence against

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their victims, but do abuse their victims for far too long.

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I'd like to thank the Minister for her comments and to share her

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condemnation of rape and violence in any form and particularly any

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attempt to blame the victims. I wholeheartedly agree that the

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responsibility must always remain with the perpetrator. We in the

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Scottish National party are also pleased that these events have been

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cancelled. The anti-women agenda behind them is reported. In

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Scotland, our petition against these events have attracted around 40,000

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signatures and members may also be aware that members of the SNP

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sponsored an early day motion condemning these sexist and

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hate-mongering meetings and the misogyny behind them. In Scotland,

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Police Scotland have been working closely with anti-violence against

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women organisations and put out a strongly worded statement about the

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policing of these events were they to take place. It is obviously

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absolutely paramount, I'm sure the Minister agrees, that women are able

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to go about their daily life without being subjected to this kind of

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intimidation. The Scottish Government and Police Scotland have

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worked hard on the investigation of sex crimes in Scotland. The Minister

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will be aware that in 2008, the Scottish Crown Office setup a

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special crime unit, of which I was proud to be one of the founding

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prosecutors, and our conviction rates for rape and violence have

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increased but we are still working very hard because these are

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difficult crimes to persecute. I would like to associate myself with

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the questions raised by the honourable member. That and thank

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her for raising these important questions. We do in the SNP would

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like to see the Istanbul convention ratified as soon as possible and I'm

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sure the Minister can reassure me that she continues to look at that.

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She also reassure me, if the Home Secretary becomes aware of plans for

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this gentleman, and I use the word loosely, to enter this country, will

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she make us aware of that and liaise with other parties on this? I thank

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the honourable lady that -- for her comments and assure her that we will

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take all steps that we possibly can and what we will do. I will copy you

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into my letter for the number. Fit. We will try to ratify this as soon

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as possible. I want to pay tribute to all resources across the United

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Kingdom these kind of criminals to wreck -- do not recognise borders

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and police forces need to work together to make sure that we tackle

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these crimes. These crimes are not acceptable in the United Kingdom and

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I mean the whole of the United Kingdom. Mr Speaker, I support

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strongly what the opposition spokesman had to say from the front

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bench. Our cherished liberty of free speech is something which we defend

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to our -- to its utmost, but with this freedom must come

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responsibility. Can I say to the Minister, I am pretty certain that

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on this side of the House, everybody would welcome a proactive engagement

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from the Home Secretary and head apartment to not only exclude this

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man, who is frankly an embarrassment to all men, but also to prescribe

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his organisation as well. I want to reassure my honourable friend that

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he will struggle to find a more proactive Home Secretary. This Home

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Secretary has excluded more people and has done more to stand up

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against violence towards women and girls than any Home Secretary in

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history and I am proud to serve in her department. This planned meeting

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may well just have been a public that is done by an attention seeker

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so insecure in himself that he goes to this length to increase the size

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of his following. I am among the many outraged and afraid at the idea

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of these meetings, so can she tell everyone that anyone who is planning

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on meeting to condone rape will be treated in the same way as anyone

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who was meeting to plan murder. I can absolutely sure how that would

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be the case because this is a criminal offence and I will also

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agree with her statements that perhaps he needs boosting in certain

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ways. I will say no more. Can we be robust on who is allowed into the

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country and he isn't. Rather than relying on individual police forces,

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if Her Majesty's Government is aware that an individual is looking to

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incite violence in this country, shouldn't the Government make sure

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these people are excluded from our country so that we don't have to put

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extra peak -- extra pressure on our police force who have too much to do

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already? My honourable friend well understand I cannot comment on

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individual cases but I agree with him that it is better to exclude

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them to deal with when they are here and this Home Secretary has excluded

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more foreign national offenders and foreign nationals than any other. I

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can see no possible benefit to this individual being allowed into the UK

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now all in the future, so can I add my voice to those members who say

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that there is an understanding -- that whilst understanding that

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individual cases cannot be discussed, that hopefully she will

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be able to discover that theme by saying this person is excluded for

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life from the UK. I am sure the honourable gentleman's comments well

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have been heard and can I also point out that the police minister has

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heard the comments as he is sitting next to me. Whilst sharing the

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revulsion of this group's views and the need to exclude them from the

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UK, there is a substantial amount of evidence that indicates that they

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have no intention to meet up, and instead are doing this only to seek

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free publicity. Has the Minister seen any evidence to indicate that

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there was a plan to hold any of these events in the UK? I have as

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much information as the gentleman -- the honourable gentleman with

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regards to whether or not they were actually to be held and I repeat

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again that we should treat this group with ridicule. IT welcome the

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public revulsion which has -- eyed to welcome the public revulsion

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which has led to the cancellation of these events. What will be Minister

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do about the buyer lengths and criminality online? I can assure the

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honourable member that it does not matter where it happens if something

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is a criminal offence. It is a criminal offence online as well. Can

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I ask the minister if she would have a view of the weighting of the

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community impact of when the police decide to intervene. It can be quite

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a black and white decision that the police take, rather than looking at

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the wider impact on the community involved. My honourable friend makes

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a very good point and I can assure him we will look at those points.

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This isn't the first time and it won't be the last that a campaign of

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violence and aggression has been orchestrated by the Internet.

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Although we hear words by the Government every time there is an

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incident, nothing ever seems to happen. Can I press the Minister,

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what action will be Government take over the use with which these vile

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messages can be distributed over the Internet? I can assure the

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honourable lady that this is a criminal offence, to make these

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comments, and we do not take it lightly. We work hard and that

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length with the Internet service providers, who have a responsibility

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to make sure that these messages are not distributed. It has to be said

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that this particular individual and his arrogance is only met by his

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ignorance, so it must be key that we ensure there are positive role

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models out there for young men. The key mistake this man made was to

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think any man would want to attend a meeting that was so vile. I agree

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with my friend. On the very day that we are talking about the positive

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role men can play in preventing violence, does the Minister agree

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with me that this is just distracting from the positive role

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men can play in ending misogyny. The honourable gentleman makes a very

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good point. I am looking forward to debating that this afternoon. Men

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have a very important role to play and the vast, vast majority do so.

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Do you agree that this is symptomatic of a much bigger trend

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towards misogyny that we are seeing in all sorts of media, including

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twitter, that we are seeing internationally, and I wonder what

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is being done to approach this with a zero tolerance approach? The

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honourable gentleman leads me into the possibility of an answer that

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could last for many days as we look into what can be done

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internationally to promote women and women's rights, for example the

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action being taken to tackle the now genital mutilation, the action on

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forced marriage, but all people have the right to live equally and these

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views are not acceptable. It seems there is some ridiculous irony that

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these events have been cancelled for the safety of his supporters given

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the nature of the events. I join everybody in condemnation of this

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sick individual. I would like to pay tribute to the group 's across the

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country, particularly in Glasgow, who have helped to force the

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cancellation of these events, and also pay to beat to the police who

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have been working with these campaigners to ensure their safety

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at the event. I support the unequivocal statement that went out

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that said sex without consent is rape. I agree with the lady and pay

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tribute to Police Scotland and police forces across the country who

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work to deal with these crimes and ensure that method is heard. I agree

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with the Minister that most men will not support these file, anti-women,

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misogynistic, pro-rape views and I am sure that members on both sides

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of the House will unequivocally support the Home Secretary to make

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sure that Roosh V never makes -- that's that British soil. What more

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is the British Government doing to make sure that the small number of

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individuals who support these are borrowed views learned the error of

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their ways and that these are borrowed views are not acceptable in

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decent society? -- these dreadful views. Education and making sure

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that men who have these views understand that they are wrong is

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very important. This is the police campaign and it is part of the work

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we are doing on ending gang and youth violence and exploitation,

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because young men who are in a circle where it is seen as being

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acceptable to exploit young women and to treat them as no more than

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sex objects have to be educated that this is simply not right. At this

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event in Glasgow has been cancelled shows that people do make Glasgow.

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Will the Minister agree with me that any event planned to coach men how

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to coerce women into having sex is not a free-speech issue, but the

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event issue of public safety and order. Will she also condemn me in

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condemning the sick minded halfwits who were intending to attend these

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events and welcome that they will now be sitting in their underpants

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eating cold ravioli this weekend. He conjures quite an image! Such

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grotesque misogynist and homophobic views are not masculine, they are a

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perversion of masculinity and cowardly. We'll be Minister welcomed

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the initiative is by the National Union of Students and student unions

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to train bar staff to spot signs of sexual harassment? We need to stamp

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that out in all society. I am interested in what he says, I would

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be interested in learning more, this is the kind of initiative we need to

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see to make sure it is clear that nobleman can ever be guilty of

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inciting her own rape -- no woman. It is committed by the perpetrators,

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they are the only people responsible. The Minister will be

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aware that I wrote to the Home Secretary in response to the outrage

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of my constituents who contacted me. The Minister may be aware the

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Government of Australia have publicly stated that they will

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continue to monitor any application from Roosh V or anybody associated

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with the Return of Kings group. Can I get an assurance that the UK

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Government will do likewise for any individual associated with this

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group who are promoting a diet of hate? I can assure him that the Home

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Secretary takes a very close eye on all matters like this and that the

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Government takes every step it can. Business questions. Will be leader

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give us the forthcoming business and all that jazz? Not much

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