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our own industry. It has to be on a fair basis. There are special cases

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around British Steel and 98% of the bridge -ish -- this deal we purchase

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is British Steel. Urgent question, Mr Bernard Jenkin. I am most

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grateful to ask the Prime Minister if he will ask for an enquiry to be

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launched on whether discussions between the trade unions and the

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Labour Party on amendments of the trade union Beale -- trade union

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bill constitute a breach of the conduct. The Cabinet Office has

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advised me that there is no breach and nothing for the priming is to's

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adviser on ministerial interest to investigate. As is customary at such

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times, ministers have had regular discussions with Jago ministers to

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discuss possible... On the basis of discussions yesterday evening, I can

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reassure my honourable friend that we are well on our way to ensuring

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all of our manifesto commitments. Reforms to the role of the

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acidification of this, a tightening up of rules around the location

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time, and introduction of a transparent opt in process and a

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tightening up of intimidation of non-striking members. The question

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of compulsory opt in to trade union funds was one of the most

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contentious, especially in the Lords. The Lords referred it to a

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special committee. Following the select committee's report, the House

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of Lords voted by a large majority to accept an amendment to restrict

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the opt in to new members and exclude current trade union members.

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My honourable friend will not be surprised to learn that I speak to

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trade unions and the secretary of the TUC regularly. Trade union

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support for the campaign to remain in the European Union is not new and

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should not come aces -- as a surprise to anybody. The TUC

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declared its support in February, eg you be -- DNB did the same in

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February, unite in March and Unison in April. We all remember the Prime

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Minister for telling that the next scandal would be a lobbying scandal

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and had -- here it is. Trade union members have been complaining that

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have been unable to campaign for the in... The result of this amendment

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means that a 19-year-old who has just started a job and is a member

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of a trade union will now never be asked if he wants his political fund

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subscriptions to be taken out of his pay packet. The Prime Minister told

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the House of Commons on the 15th of July last year, there is a very

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simple principle here. Giving money to a party should be an act of free

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will, money should not be taken out of pay packets without them being

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told properly about it. He likened it to mis-selling. The minister in

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the Other Place described the Labour's amendment, which the

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Government has accepted, as a wrecking amendment on the 16th of

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March this year. Yesterday, the Minister's concession was wholly

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unexpected and my right honourable friend for Grantham and Stanford

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announced his decision to abandon the opposition to the bill. It is

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now being reported that these unexpected concessions are linked to

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the question of a ?1.7 million donation that trade unions make from

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their political funds, which are now much larger than they would have

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been, to the Labour remain campaign. Until very recently, the honourable

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gentleman for Hull West and hassle, was trying to raise ?75,000 for the

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loons and badges. Now they are getting ?1.7 million. It has been

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confirmed to me through more than two independent sources that number

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ten instructed these concessions to be made after the discussions with

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trade union representatives. This being true would amend -- add to the

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sale of Government policy for cash and political favours. Lest there be

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any doubt about the propriety -- the impropriety of this deal, the leader

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of Her Majesty's opposition should ask themselves this question -- what

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would they be saying if this Government had altered the bill in

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order to give money to the Conservative Party or to the

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Conservative Party's remain campaign? My honourable friend

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should ask himself this question. What would be the reaction if the

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Labour Government had changed a bill to favour the Labour's ability to

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favour it self. This stinks as cash for questions and shows this

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Government really is at the rotten heart of the European Union. The

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seven principles of public life requires public office holders, and

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I quote, to avoid placing themselves under any obligation to people or

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organisations that might try inappropriately to influence their

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work. The ministerial code states that ministers must ensure that no

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conflict arises or appears to arise between their public duties and

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their private interests. In this matter, the Labour Party constitutes

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one of their private interests. Will my right honourable friend the Prime

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Minister instructed friend on parliamentary interest to launch

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this investigation. If my honourable friend is right, he has nothing to

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fear from such an investigation. Thank you, Mr Speaker. If I can

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start by saying I have the greatest possible respect from the passion

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and commitment which has lasted not just for years but for decades that

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my honourable friend has brought to the cause which he is now advocating

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with such vigour that we should leave the European Union. I have

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nothing but total respect for that passion and commitment. So I just

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want to gently correct him on a view points of fact, because he has been

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focusing so much on the very important question that there are a

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number of things that he's adjusted which are absolutely correct about

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the way that the current mechanism for union members subscriptions to

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the political fund works. The first point to make is to say that it is

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not the case that somebody who has recently joined a trade union, to

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whom there for the new requirement for an optimal not apply, is never

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asked whether they want to pay into the political levy. Very far from

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it. There is a long-standing legal requirement that they are offered an

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opt out of that political levy and that that is something communicated

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very clearly to them and it is not just a one-time thing. It is not

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something they are offered when they join, it is something they can

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exercise at any time and need to be reminded of on a regular basis. The

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other thing to say to my honourable friend is that while estimates vary

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from different unions, the overall estimate for trade union membership

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is that roughly 13 to 14% of all members of a trade union joined in

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the last year. That means that over the time of this Parliament, I'm not

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going to suggest that all members of trade unions will have needed to opt

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into the political fund, but a very substantial proportion will have.

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The argument that was made, and this was not a point made... I'm afraid

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he is also not correct to say this was an amendment made by Labour. It

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was made by the honourable member, Lord Burns, someone that I know he

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has great respect of, who is fiercely independent, and that

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flowed out of a committee in which there was some this representation

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of all parties. The amendment was very clearly inspired by Lord Burns

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when he said that it was not reasonable to ask people who have

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signed up to an arrangement in good faith to then have to you sign up

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again through a different process simply because we have changed the

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law later. I did not agree with that argument and nor did we in this

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House, but as is often the case, when the House of Lords feels very,

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very strongly on an issue, there is a very large majority against the

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Government's position. When an independent member of the House of

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Lords has moved an amendment which has secured support not just from

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the official opposition, not just from the Liberal Democrats, but from

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a huge number of crossbenchers and not just from crossbenchers, but

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from some very significant members of our own party, and I would simply

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urge him to look at the people who both spoke in the debate and voted

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or assertively chose not to vote in support of the garment's position.

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They include not just the noble lord Cormack and the noble lord boughs,

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they also include the noble Lord Forsyth, who supports the same

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campaign in the European Union that he supported and who both privately

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and publicly said that he thought it was a profound error for us to

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pursue a compulsory opt in for all existing members.

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Finally, Mr Speak, my honourable friend suggested that it is

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inappropriate, of course, for Government to do anything for

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private interests, in terms of making changes to legislation,

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further private interests. Of course, he is right. It is not right

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and not neven the passion of the moment is it fair to categorise the

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Government's support, the official policy of Her Majesty's Government.

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We support the proposition that the United Kingdom should remain a

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member of the European Union. He disagrees, but it is not a private

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interest, it is Government policy. Thank you very much, Mr Speaker and

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it is very good to have this further opportunity to reemphasise our

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implacable opposition to the trade union bill it is entirely

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unnecessary. It is bad for workers and it is also bad for businesses.

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And, as the minister said, the Lord set up a cross-party committee, to

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look at the trade union and party political funding and that committee

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came up with a series of Salisbury convention compliance

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recommendations, which were voted for by a majority of peers from

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parties. I wonder if the minister can confirm he met with Lord Burns,

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who made clear the strength of clearing on the other matter. Can he

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confirm that he has received overwhelming reputations from all

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quarters, including the trade unions, which by the way, is hardly

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surprising, give this is the trade union bill that he should receive

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reputations from the unions. Is it not the case that all these various

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reputations made clear that the proposals on political funding were

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unworkable and breached the long established convention that major

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changes to the funding a political party should only happen by

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agreement. Now, it would appear, at least partially, that the minister

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listened. Well done. But he should have listened earlier and he

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#23450eds to keep listening, actual limit can I ask him now to have a

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few more meetings with trade unions, who have made entourly reasonable

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proposals on E balloting and facility time which remain in the

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bill. There is still time for him to think again.

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Mr Speaker, I can confirm what the honourable gentleman has said, which

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is earlier this week that I did hold a meeting, at my request, with the

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noble Lord Burn, in which I discussed with him an amendment we

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put down and we were intending to move to this bill. That amendment

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was one which would still have aapplied the compulsory option to

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existing members of trade unions, but would have built in a longer

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period of transition for trade unions to implement this and would

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have changed the agraments for renewal of their opt-in to align wit

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the political ballots that need to take place every ten years. I hoped

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that was a compromise that the noble Lord Burns would feel, if not

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enthusiastic about, at least able to indicate that he would not actively

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oppose when the bill went back to the Upper House in the next stage of

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ping-pong. And the nobble Lord Burns, who is a man I have huge

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admiration and liking, was very, very clear to me that he felt that

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was not an exception able compromise, that not just would he

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not support it, he would actively the reinstatement of his amendment.

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He made clear his judgment was not so much a political one or, and

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certainly not inspired by questions around the balance of party funding,

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it was simply based on his experience in the financial services

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industry, which is where he said that it is very, very unfair to ask

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people to sign up to new things when they have already expressed an

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opinion on that very same question by a means which was previously

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legal. He said that applied in this case and he thought that it was

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wrong and that he could not support it.

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We then reflected on Lord Burns' position and moved the amendments

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that we passed last night. As for the honourable member's comments

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about the rest of the bill, I just have to be very, very clear with him

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and with honourable members on his side, this bill is going to

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dramatically improve the state of employment relations and the state

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of industrial action. At the moment a trade union, like various

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education trade unions, can hold a strike three years after a ballot

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has been passed with the turnout of less than 20% of their members and

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still close over 1,000 colleges. That is currently legal. When the

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bill, that with the support of my honourable friend, we are passing in

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this House, and I anticipate the nobble Lords will pass next week,

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when that achieves royal consent it will not be possible to inflict on

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hard-working parents the closure of a school in the middle of a week on

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the basis of a tiny turnout that would secure -- that was secured

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several years ago. That is why I am proud of this bill. That is why I

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think my honourable friend can be proud of this bill. We have secured

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our manifesto commitments for all working people. The

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THE SPEAKER: The minister has been diverted from the path of procedure

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vert cho as a result of the cheeky enquiries of the opposition front

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bench. We cannot now have a third reading on the trade union bill and

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must focus narrowly instead upon the matter of the urgent question, which

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I know will be done faithfully by Lord Liam Fox. Thank you, Mr

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Speaker. In making this change in the trade union bill and following

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on from our abavendment of our manifesto commitments on immigration

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by not rethe goshiating freedom of movement, can he tell us of the

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commitments he referred, which must not be abandoned in terms of trying

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to seek a vote. Mr Speaker, your cautionary tone is ringing in my

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ears. So, I will answer my Right Honourable friend's question by

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narrowly focussing on the measures in this bill, which demonstrate, I

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believe, as I said at the start of my statement, that we had genuinely

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secured everything that was in our manifesto. It is a point that came

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up in my discussion with Lord Burns who knows a thing or two about

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legislative drafting. He said he was confident having read and re-read

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the resis words in our manifesto about the transparent opt-in for the

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political fund. He was very, very clear that the amendment that he

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moved and it was passed in the upper place fulfilled that manifesto

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commitment in full. Not only that, that the further introduction of

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opt-in to apply to existing members was not given cover by the Salisbury

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convention and he would made it plain in the Upper House if we were

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to try and restore that position. I mean no commitment of those who

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wrote our manifesto because it is a wonderful document which will live

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through the ages. Their wording was not so precisely established as to

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ekoo our that additional application of the opt-in to existing members of

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trade unions. Thank you, Mr Speaker and we want to reiterate on these

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benches our complete opposition to the trade union bill. Can the

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minister confirm that it would be strange for a piece of legislation

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that affects six million workers for a Government not to consult with

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bodies that represent those six million workers? Can he also confirm

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that the Government were considering concessions as far as as the 26th

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January, when a memorandum in his name was leaked to many media

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outlets? What onof going discussions is he having with devolved

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institutions who have a major problem with this bill and the time

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and further issues? Thank you, Mr Speaker. The honourable gentleman

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made a valuable contribution to our deliberations at all stages, perhaps

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especially in committee. He was vocal and incisive in his commitment

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of almost every measure in the bill. Of course he is right. We don't just

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hold discussions with institutions in society about whom we are

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legislating. I think it would be a little unfair if we didn't. We

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invited them to give evidence to the committee. We had one of the most

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terrifying sightsvy seen in long time, which is the General Secretary

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of Unite, the General of GMB and of the TUC, all sitting in a row,

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giving evidence to that committee. So, of course it was right to do

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that. He's also right that we consulted with a devolved

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administration. I have had a number of conversations on phone and

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devolved Governments who have expressed concern about whether all

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the provisions in the bill should properly apply to them, although we

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are confident that all the provisions in the bill relate to

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observed matters and therefore apply to everyone and every trade union in

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the United Kingdom. I chaired the trade union bill and committee. If I

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am not going to comment on the trade union bill, was I can made a

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constitutional point? There would be concern if, as part of the ping-pong

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process, any Government, at any time made concessions on a bill, as a

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result of something which had nothing to do with that bill.

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My honourable friend is an honourable man and I am sure he can

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confirm that no Government of which he was a part would ever do that.

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Mr Speaker, I think I have expressed -- explained clearly what the

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process was. I speak for myself in simply saying when I met the

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immovable force of the Lord Burns, I decided that maybe discretion was

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the better part of valour. That's not to say that Government ministers

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don't have discussions on all sorts of issues with all sorts of people

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in society. And it is the Government's policy to

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support the Remain Remain campaign. The General Secretary of TUC is a

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member and has been for months and the trade unionsvy have listed have

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made their positions clear, long before this bill came back to this

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House or was considered in connection with the opt-in the Upper

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House. So, I just gently say to my honourable and Right Honourable

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friends that not every compromise is a conspiracy.

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THE SPEAKER: Mr Denis Skipper. -- Ski in, ner.

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Now that the Government are calling to this barmy idea which has been

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propagated this morning from the right-wing of the Tory Party, now

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that the Government has seemingly prepared to give way on different

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subjects, can I ask him, what is the price for dropping this lousy,

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rotten trade union bill at? -- all together?

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Mr Speaker, it is the goal of my life to give pleasure to the

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honourable gentleman. I have to, I am afraid, I have to

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tell him that there is no price, because we believe in this bill, we

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believe in our manifesto. And we are well on the way to delivering it.

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I hope the minister will understand that when we read from a senior

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political journalist in the Telegraph the following words, "Last

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night a union source said bosses had always been clear it would be

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difficult to spend significant amounts on the campaign to keep

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Britain in the Union, whilst fighting against the trade union

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bill, but they revealed that unions will now step up their campaigning

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and funding efforts in light of the concessions." He can well understand

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why people are asking these questions. Can he confirm right now

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that this journalist is absolutely wrong? Her sources are incorrect and

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no such trade took place? Mr Speaker, I am afraid I am going

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to have to repeat what I have already said, which is there is a

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natural process towards the end oh of a parliamentary session, where

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concessions are made on bills in order to secure their timely

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passage. What trade unions decide to do about their long-standing

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commitment to back the remain campaign is entirely a matter for

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them. I think this is a very rare occurrence for the Government to

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actually listen to the Members of Parliament, both in the Upper House

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and here. And I welcome that. That is the right thing to do. And it is

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right that they should meet with trade unions. Of course they should.

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This legislation is an attack on trade unions and does nothing for

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employer relations whatsoever. It is a wrecking piece of legislation and

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any concessions, at all, can only improve this bill and I hope we

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could see more in the short time left to it.

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Mr Speaker, the honourable lady is far too kind to me. I didn't want to

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listen at all. I simply acknowledged that when you have a -- an array of

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forces which includes most of the crossbench, all of the Liberal

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Democrat party, all of the Labour Party and some very influential

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Conservative peers, when you have that, neophytes like me in this game

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perhaps need to admit defeat. It is true that the noble lord, Lord

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Cormack, is a very special parliamentarian. As the grandson of

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a trade union shop steward who went on to become a Conservative trade

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unionist, I can say that has been opposition on this side of the House

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and can I thank him for listening to that. The debate can family

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Conservative manifesto piece to improve situations. I thank my

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honourable friend and his father, who did not just make it to the

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Other Place but made it into the Cabinet and was a very significant

:26:26.:26:30.

performer in the area of employment law and industrial relations, so we

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have much to learn from his work, and he is right about that. I hope

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it is not breaking a confidence to say that there are other members of

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this House with whom I've had conversations about the specific

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provision who were deeply concerned about them and they do include among

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them, I don't think I should mention their names, they include among them

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leading supporters of those in the campaign to leave the European

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Union. Can there be any psychological explanation why so

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many Tory MPs have such a loathing of trade unions? I do not recognise

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that loathing and I certainly don't feel it myself. Can I join with my

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honourable friend from Worcester to say firstly congratulations to the

:27:28.:27:33.

minister in the way that he has handled this bill but also to ask

:27:34.:27:38.

him, again, if it is not the case that he has had conversations with

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many people on all sides of the House, including this side of the

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House, both here and in the Other Place about their concerns and that

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many of those concerns have been addressed without any contributions

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being made at all to us? I can confirm that and none more important

:27:54.:28:00.

than my honourable friend who had some very serious concerns which he

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did exactly the right thing, you came to see me privately about them

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as we were deliberating in this House, he laid an amendment at

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reports state which he then did not move because I gave him reassurance

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we would look closely at it as the Bill progressed and while he was not

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here, I mentioned specifically yesterday that he had been hugely

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influential in our decision ultimately not to press ahead with

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the decision to remove the check arrangement from trade unions the

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public sector. Can I declare an interest as someone who has been in

:28:38.:28:42.

the following level -- for an levy since 1969, and the former head of

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the trade union. The trade unions are clear. They do not want this

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bill at all. Even Winston Churchill spoke against what they are trying

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to do and what ever gossip people are hearing, there is no doubt that

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the trade unions vote would be Labour Party's remain campaign

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because they realise that the right-wing reactionaries who would

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deregulate this nation would be bad for employers -- employees. I think

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the honourable gentleman's words speak for themselves and they are

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very helpful. It is a shabby political episode when the

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Government has been caught violating trade union legislation to sit

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persuade the trade unions to come on board with a campaign to stay in the

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European Union. Isn't it now clear that the Government, big business,

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the BBC and now the trade unions are all hanging up on British people to

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try to persuade them to stay in the European Union? Mr Speaker, nothing

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pains me more than to have clearly angered my own furry friend -- by

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honorary friend because I have extreme liking for him. I always

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dropped everything to go to his constituency because he is a great

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man but I do reject what he has said. I think perhaps in this case

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he is able the bit blinded by his passion for the issue and I would

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simply point to him that all he needs to do is to look at the front

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pages and the editorial pages of every single newspaper that is

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traditionally seen as a Conservative supporting newspaper to see that

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there is a balance of opinion in this debate. His arguments are being

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well represented. Given the impact this bill will have on workers

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rights across the whole of the United Kingdom, can I ask the

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minister what discussions he had with the devolved administrations

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since the Lords amendments? I haven't yet had that pleasure but I

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anticipate it. Thank you Mr Speaker. This is a very simple issue which

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the Minister could give a straightforward answer to. The

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allegation is that the trade union bill was watered down for the

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benefit of the trade unions on the understanding that they would then

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make a considerable donation to the campaign to stay in the European

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Union. Can the Minister give us, with the authority of the dispatch

:31:28.:31:31.

box, a clear denial that any such discussion took place and that in no

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way whatsoever, no discussions with ministers or officials, in no way

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what any of the watering down of the trade union Bill done with any

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mention of any funding for the U remain campaign for the trade

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unions? It is very simple to deny it if it is not true. Mr Speaker, I

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aspire to be as straightforward as my honourable friend. I have been

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very clear. We went through a process of negotiation, not just

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with Shadow ministers but with members of other parties and in the

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Other House and we have secured a package, which I have to say I do

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not believe any honourable member on my side of the House would have

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predicted when we introduced this bill that we would have secured as

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much of it as swiftly and as easily as we have, because it was probably

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the most politically controversial bill in our original Queen 's

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speech. As for decisions by the trade unions to back the campaign

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for which they have already declared, long before's -- long

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before yesterday's considerations of the Bill, I think the honourable

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gentleman spoke very clearly when he said they would support this

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campaign full heartedly and full throated Lee because they believe it

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is in the interests of their members to do so. I do not think there is

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anything so grubby as a deal but if an agreement was reached can I

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congratulate the opposition Chief Whip on showing how this can be

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done? Can I ask him to follow the leadership of the trade unions and

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contact their members to make the case for year up and the terrible

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threats for growth if we leave a single market of 500 million

:33:19.:33:23.

consumers? Mr Speaker, I'm not sure if you will that I'm likely answer

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to that question as directly relevant to the question but I will

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venture until you stop me. I will venture that small companies have

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beefs about the European Union, so do I, but ultimately they feel it is

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in our interest to stay will stop I feel all of us should be doing what

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we can do to encourage people that we represent to see that their

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interests are best protected by staying in. The person who asked

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this question speaks passionately on behalf of of his own union which is

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the general and municipal union of a Brexit bigots. It is extraordinary

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that he asks for the advisor on ministerial interest to be woken up

:34:17.:34:21.

from his slumber. He has been virtually unemployed since he was

:34:22.:34:25.

appointed when the previous holder of that office resigned, believing

:34:26.:34:31.

that he should have been called in to investigate the conduct of the

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Member for North Somerset who -- North Somerset who gained absolution

:34:37.:34:44.

by resignation. As the person asking this question, why isn't he asking

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for an enquiry into the two ministers who gave ?3 million to

:34:49.:34:52.

Kids Company in the face of advice from their civil servants three days

:34:53.:34:57.

before it collapsed? It is because the office of the advisor had been

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degraded and politicised. Calm down. Calm. For the benefit of yoga -- the

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benefit of yoga, even for ministers, should not be underestimated. I want

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to talk about a pause for order. The reason I didn't intervene when a

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word was used is because I believe it to be a matter of taste. There

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was no imputation of dishonour. I mean this in no unkind spirit but

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the honourable member for Harwich and North Essex and other

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like-minded souls are perfectly capable of looking after themselves

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and their honour has not been impugned in any way. That is why the

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remark stands. The Minister must of course reply. Mr Speaker, there are

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no bigots on this side of the House, least of all my honourable

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disavowing to disagree with me on this subject. The honourable

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gentleman does himself absolutely no credit by hurling that kind of

:36:13.:36:17.

Playschool abuse across this chamber. He is a disgrace, the

:36:18.:36:21.

comment was a disgrace and he should withdraw it. The Minister is

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entitled to his view and I hope the House won't take offence if I say I

:36:29.:36:37.

will judge if a comment should be withdrawn. I think we should leave

:36:38.:36:47.

it there. If I were to intervene on grounds of order every time a

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question were not answered nothing else would ever happen in the

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chamber. I must confess, Mr Speaker, I must find myself amused by this

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question of urgency. I am restating yet again my absolute opposition to

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this bill. Can the Minister confirm that trade unions remain a part of

:37:18.:37:20.

civil society and they have an absolute right to make

:37:21.:37:22.

representations on the half of them and the two Government irrespective

:37:23.:37:26.

of what right-wing members of his own backbenchers might wish? Of

:37:27.:37:31.

course I can confirm that but I have to say to the honourable gentleman

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that frankly the position governing strike action the position governing

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the proper regulation of trade union activities with regards to finances

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and membership, the position regarding picketing and intimidation

:37:44.:37:47.

of non-striking workers, all of those were frankly not acceptable

:37:48.:37:52.

until this bill was introduced to this House and remain not acceptable

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until this bill has secured Royal assent. Of course I accept that

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trade unions have an important role in society but they needed this

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reform, they will benefit from this reform and I want to put on my

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record -- on record my gratitude to all members on my side, not least

:38:11.:38:14.

the honourable member who has made comments on this bill, their support

:38:15.:38:20.

of this bill. As today is International Workers Memorial Day,

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I think it says that they poignant reminder as to why we need good and

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strong trade unions in our society. I think it's also right that we have

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the trade union movement opposed to many of the measures contained

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within this bill which is an attack on how they operate on behalf of

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their members. In terms of the substantive point of the urgent

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question today, of course the trade union Bill is not yet legislation.

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It hasn't been connected, so surely -- it hasn't been an active, so

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surely the fact that the Labour affiliated trade union has decided

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to donate some of its money, it's Labour affiliated political fund, to

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a Labour supported campaign is perfectly within the law? Mr

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Speaker, he is correct. I am extremely grateful to the Minister

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and all colleagues. We come now to the business question.

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Points of order have really come after statements, I would prefer...

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The honourable gentleman has had a good run. He should be patient. Aam

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sure his point of -- I am sure his point of order can be heard later.

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Mr Speaker, will the lead ore of the House give us the forthcoming

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business? So, Mr Speaker, on Monday 2nd May

:39:51.:39:59.

the House is not sitting. It is the Mayday bank hole dasmt Tuesday 3rd

:40:00.:40:05.

we will sit Monday hours, not Tuesday hours, when we will debate a

:40:06.:40:11.

motion to approve a ways and means resolution to the Housing Bill,

:40:12.:40:15.

followed by considerations and amendments of the planning bill. On

:40:16.:40:22.

the 4th May, an Opposition Day Debate. That will be followed by a

:40:23.:40:26.

motion relating to education funding in London. A subject determined by

:40:27.:40:31.

the backbench committee. Thursday 5th, there'll be a debate on

:40:32.:40:39.

contributions of faith sector to local communities. Friday 6th May,

:40:40.:40:43.

the House is not sitting. The provisional business for the

:40:44.:40:46.

following week, commencing Monday 9th May, will include on the Monday

:40:47.:40:50.

a debate on the motion of Government departments outside London and the

:40:51.:40:54.

subject of this debate determined by the Backbench Business Committee,

:40:55.:40:57.

followed by consideration of Lords' amendments. I should like to inform

:40:58.:41:03.

the House that the business in Westminster Hall will be a debate on

:41:04.:41:09.

an e-petition relating to the Government's referendum leaflet. Mr

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Speaker, Ed Balls, do we actually, Mr Speaker, have a Government at

:41:17.:41:20.

all? They are all over the place. We all thought the referendum was a

:41:21.:41:24.

simple question of EU in or out? This week it got much more

:41:25.:41:29.

complicated as we learnt it is all about the ECHR in or out as well. So

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the Home Secretary is an in-out, but the hostage-taker is an out-in and

:41:35.:41:39.

the Chancellor is an in-in, along with the Attorney General and the

:41:40.:41:43.

Solicitor-General, but the lead ore the House is an out-out. As for me,

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I am out for in. Mr Speaker, the Health Secretary tells us he's in

:41:56.:42:05.

his last big job in politics. I hear with an impending reshuffle several

:42:06.:42:08.

ministers have been scouring the job market. I heard rumours of

:42:09.:42:12.

Government postings to overseas territories being planned.

:42:13.:42:19.

Boris is off to cultivate his that polyian complex and for the Health

:42:20.:42:27.

Secretary there is the island known as "inaccessible island" which is

:42:28.:42:30.

probably where the junior doctors want to send him anyway. 33-1 to be

:42:31.:42:42.

the next chancellor of the Exchequer. On this day in 1789

:42:43.:42:51.

Fletcher Citian mutinied on the bounty. He ended up on an island

:42:52.:42:57.

9,000 miles away from here. I can imagine the leader of the House as

:42:58.:43:05.

the governor of Pitcane, dressed in his white socks and sandals, Lording

:43:06.:43:09.

it over the inhabitants, all 56 of them. If he wants I can put in a

:43:10.:43:13.

word with the Prime Minister for him because the Prime Minister is trying

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to advance my career, I see. Can we, Mr Speaker, have a debate on

:43:18.:43:22.

irresponsible politics? I suspect the leader may never have heard of

:43:23.:43:28.

Avon Jones, but he tweeted, I think we should have a protest where

:43:29.:43:36.

thousands of us have send e-mails with the words bomb, Iran... He may

:43:37.:43:44.

be a crank but he's the Plaid Cymru condedate for Police and Crime

:43:45.:43:48.

Commissioner in North Wales. Can we have a statement from the Home

:43:49.:43:52.

Secretary on the worrying break down of the E border systems on 13th and

:43:53.:43:57.

14th June last year? We need to know, have there been other break

:43:58.:44:03.

downs? Were full index warnings checked? Why did the Home Secretary

:44:04.:44:07.

cover this up for so long? The leader of the House says we should

:44:08.:44:10.

leave the EU so we can control our borders. Surely the lesson is the

:44:11.:44:16.

greatest threat to our border is frankly Tory income I pi tense. The

:44:17.:44:22.

leader said we should -- incompetence. As I walked into

:44:23.:44:27.

Parliament this morning the police were moving two homeless people on

:44:28.:44:30.

who had been sleeping on the doorstep of this parliamentary

:44:31.:44:34.

palace for the last week. Under the Tories, rough sleeping has doubled

:44:35.:44:38.

and funding for those who are sleeping rough has halved. Now, we

:44:39.:44:42.

believe this bill will make the housing crisis in London even worse.

:44:43.:44:48.

Will this Government, at least ensure for heavens sake that for

:44:49.:44:54.

every single social housing unit sold off another is built in its

:44:55.:44:59.

place? Mr Speaker, on 29th November, 2012, the Prime Minister said of the

:45:00.:45:05.

Leveson Inquiry there would be a second part to investigate

:45:06.:45:07.

wrongdoing in the press and the police. I listened to the Home

:45:08.:45:11.

Secretary very carefully yesterday. She made an excellent statement. She

:45:12.:45:15.

said we have always said a decision on lef son will be made when all the

:45:16.:45:20.

investigations have been completed. That is not right, Mr Speaker. Up

:45:21.:45:24.

until now the Government position, the Prime Minister's position has

:45:25.:45:31.

always been that Leveson will start, but should start as soon as the

:45:32.:45:35.

police and prosecuting authorities have finished their work. Surely one

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of the many lessons we must learn from Hillsborough is when the

:45:41.:45:43.

relationship between the police and the press gets too close it corrupts

:45:44.:45:47.

them both. After all, some have argued that the law of liable means

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there's no need nor a strong press regulator, but the 96 whose

:45:55.:45:57.

reputation was dragged through the mud by the police, by the Sun and

:45:58.:46:07.

the Spectator, couldn't sue for libel, could they? As passover ends

:46:08.:46:13.

on Saturday, let me say again, as clearly as I can, anti-Semitism is

:46:14.:46:19.

wrong, full stop, end of story. I am sick and tired of people trying to

:46:20.:46:25.

explain it away and yes, I talking to you Ken Livingstone. Of course

:46:26.:46:28.

the illegal settlements are wrong and the Palestinians deserve a

:46:29.:46:33.

better deal. Rocket attacks are wrong and Hamas and Hezbollah must

:46:34.:46:37.

acknowledge the right of Is hail to exist. I was taught -- of Israel to

:46:38.:46:43.

exist. I was taught not to judge people by the colour of their skin,

:46:44.:46:49.

their gender but their character. I also say it is no better when a

:46:50.:46:55.

senior politician looks at the President of the United States and

:46:56.:47:01.

only sees the colour of his skin and his part Kenyan ancestry, or when

:47:02.:47:06.

the Tory candidate for Mayor of London runs a racially-charged

:47:07.:47:10.

campaign against his Labour opponent. It is irresponsible. I off

:47:11.:47:16.

fendss the decency -- it off fends the decency of the British people. I

:47:17.:47:24.

say racism and racial peg disare not welcome in our political parties.

:47:25.:47:32.

I will come back and I share most of the sentiments just raised let me

:47:33.:47:43.

start by wishing you and the Shadow Minister a happyEd Balls day. I

:47:44.:47:49.

never thought they would miss him as much as they would. He didn't talk

:47:50.:47:53.

about all over the place policies. That is what the Labour Party's

:47:54.:47:56.

position is on this. They don't want prisoners to have the vote. They

:47:57.:48:00.

don't want to change our human rights laws. They ought to be smrt

:48:01.:48:05.

enough to know those two position -- smart enough to know those two

:48:06.:48:12.

positions are income pat tibl. He raised the subject of big jobs in

:48:13.:48:17.

Government. We will remind the gentleman opposite, he does not see

:48:18.:48:21.

his job as the last in Government, as the Prime Minister reminded him

:48:22.:48:25.

yesterday. He talked about jobs for the future. I suspect the odds on

:48:26.:48:30.

him becoming the speaker of this House are longer than the odds of me

:48:31.:48:36.

becoming the manager of Liverpool Football Club. On that subject, can

:48:37.:48:41.

I say a couple of things? I served when we were in opposition as shadow

:48:42.:48:46.

member for Liverpool. I have enormous regard for that city, its

:48:47.:48:51.

people and resilience. I would pay a tribute to all of the Hillsborough

:48:52.:48:55.

families and all the people in Liverpool who supported them through

:48:56.:48:59.

their long years of struggle. They, this week, achieved justice. I would

:49:00.:49:04.

like to pay a trib boo to the member for Lee, who I thought was -- a trib

:49:05.:49:11.

boo to the member for Lee, he deserves credit for what he's done.

:49:12.:49:18.

The honourable gentleman talked about LevesonII. We will not move

:49:19.:49:21.

forward until the cases are complete. That is the right thing to

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do. We will continue to stick to that position.

:49:25.:49:29.

He made the point about Mr Jones - yes I know who he is. The views he

:49:30.:49:35.

expressed are objectionable. It is my hope in that part of North Wales

:49:36.:49:39.

he is not elected as police and crimes commissioner. On the borders

:49:40.:49:45.

issue I would remind him when Labour were in power the e-Borders

:49:46.:49:49.

programme was supported to arrive and be put into effect. It didn't

:49:50.:49:52.

happen because they failed to deliver the programme. When they

:49:53.:49:56.

talk to us about what we have done in Government, they were in power

:49:57.:50:01.

for 13 years. They started by dismantling our exit check borders

:50:02.:50:05.

and they failed to put in place an alternative. Mr Speaker, he talked

:50:06.:50:14.

about homelessness. Let me remind him of his party's record. They

:50:15.:50:20.

built fewer council Houses than we did in office. Let me talk about

:50:21.:50:26.

anti-Semitism. He has been a voice of reason and common sense. He

:50:27.:50:30.

deserves credit for that. I wish all his colleagues saw things the same

:50:31.:50:37.

way. He is right to talk about Ken Livingstone. His matters suggest

:50:38.:50:43.

they were not anti-accept mettic, they were disgraceful. I do not

:50:44.:50:47.

understand as many Labour MPs do not understand how Ken Livingstone is

:50:48.:50:49.

still today a member of the Labour Party. He should be suspended from

:50:50.:50:53.

the Labour Party for the things that he said.

:50:54.:50:58.

But I also think there's some any evety on those benches, a member

:50:59.:51:04.

said on the Today Programme she regarded the events as trial via

:51:05.:51:09.

Twitter. She clearly does not fully

:51:10.:51:12.

understand the gravity of the situation. Mr Speaker, despite the

:51:13.:51:17.

wise words of the shadow leader, and I disagree what he said about my

:51:18.:51:23.

honourable friend for Uxbridge, he nonetheless makes a powerful point.

:51:24.:51:27.

He is a beacon of sense in this party. Where is the sense on the

:51:28.:51:32.

rest of his benches of what is a deeply, deeply serious matter?

:51:33.:51:39.

A number of my constituents have been the victims of who appears to

:51:40.:51:45.

be a financial scam. The police have referred them to action fraud. The

:51:46.:51:49.

contact they have had with Action Fraud is minimal. And they are very

:51:50.:51:53.

dissatisfied. Could the leader arrange for a debate on the work of

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Action Fraud? Well, Mr Speaker, my honourable

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friend makes an important point. We are aware across our society of a

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range of different scams. Often it is vulnerable people in our society

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who are the victims. I pay tribute to him for raiding this issue. I

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would say the Secretary of State and the business department will be here

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next week. I hope he will take advantage to make sure it is on his

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radar as well. Thank you very much, Mr Speaker. Can

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I thank you for the business for next week. Forget aboutEd Balls --

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about Ed Balls, but we remember all those killed in the workplace.

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Remember the dead and fight for the living has been considered. The

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trade union bill, that is very apt words for the business we are

:52:41.:52:44.

considering. Will the Government just now not do it? Will it now do

:52:45.:52:50.

the right thing when it comes to accepting uncompanied child refugees

:52:51.:53:00.

in number of camps. Even the Daily Mail are calling for the Government

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to accept these children. For the Daily Mail to say this, surely the

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time has come for this, even this, the most callous of Governments to

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reconsider its position and do the right thing? It has its chance, it

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looks like on May 9th the amendment will come back to this House again.

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Will the Government look at this positively and for the sake of this

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country, for all the people, even the right-wing press, will it do the

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right thing for these children? When I was growing up in Scotland, and we

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sometimes got an announcement which would preview the programmes, it was

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not for viewers in Scotland. I was sort of thing maybe we could

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resurrect this and apply it to Prime Minister's Questions. For most of

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the last two sessions it has been about English schools, not for

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viewers in Scotland or most other parts of the UK. The leader of the

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opposition can raise whateverish shoo shoe he wants. It is up to him

:53:57.:54:03.

-- whatever issue he wants. The time has testimony coreview Prime

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Minister's Questions to make it -- the time has come for a review of

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Prime Minister's Questions. Maybe the Leader of the House could

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support that call, Mr Speaker. Can we have a debate on the Government's

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commitments on the spending on the Clyde shipyards? I remember only too

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well during the independence referendum and some of the things

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which were said and I remember a leaflet that went around, which was

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designed by the Labour and the Tory alliance and a bit together, it was

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separation kills shipyards. It is what they said. It was a neat

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slogan. It was all with the union and doom and gloom for secured

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independence. We know that for the nonsense it is. It is not

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independence that is killing shipyards, it is the union who is

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killing it slowly and painfully by administering these yards and

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delaying the start of works T Scottish people feel duped. Can we

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have a debate where the Government can explain what is going and an and

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ensure we get this work started on time. Lastly, I am sure the House,

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as leader of the House, has full access to the Prime Minister's

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diary. Can he explain why there's no visit to Scotland from the Prime

:55:21.:55:23.

Minister in advance of a Scottish election? It is probably the last

:55:24.:55:28.

person that Ruth David son would like to see if she has division and

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beating Labour into third place in Scotland. We would love to see him.

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Every time he appears it is an extra 2% for the Scottish National Party.

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Can he encourage the Prime Minister, even his good self to come to

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Scotland. The more Tories in Scotland the better for the Scottish

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National Party. Mr Speaker, as the Honourable

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Speaker knows I have great regard for him as a parliamentary colleague

:55:58.:56:02.

but I do think sometimes his rhetoric lets him down. The idea

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when he describes this as the most callous of Government, we are

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providing the second largest amount of aid to all the refugee camps

:56:11.:56:15.

around Syria, doing as much as any nation in the world by the United

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States to try to help the people affected. We are taking 20,000

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people not from other European countries but from the refugee camps

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where they are the most vulnerable. And when he talks about

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unaccompanied children, we are talking unaccompanied children not

:56:30.:56:34.

from other EU countries where they are safe, but from the camps where

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they are safe. Surely that is the sensible, wise on the thoughtful and

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considerate thing to do? It is not saying no, we won't assist. It is

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providing assistance to those not able to make it to Europe and that

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is a policy with resolutely stand-by. He talks about by

:56:51.:56:53.

ministers questions and the discussion about education. I would

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simply remind him that is the consequence of devolution. This is a

:56:59.:57:01.

United Kingdom Parliament but it is true that in his constituency,

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education matters are not a matter for him but for the Scottish

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parliament. That is something we have debated over time, but the

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reality is that it is a consequence of the Doully volution championship

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-- devolution that he has championed over time. He talks about shipping.

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He wants a debate and a chance to vote, he will soon have a chance to

:57:29.:57:32.

vote on removing from Scotland one of the biggest defence facilities in

:57:33.:57:38.

the United Kingdom, very moving jobs, and removing part of the

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nation's defences and when he can explain his thought on that with

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regards to Scotland, I will take him seriously. He talks about

:57:51.:57:54.

conservatives in Scotland and I have been to Scotland since the start of

:57:55.:57:58.

the election campaign and I am delighted to see the Conservatives

:57:59.:58:01.

moving up in the polls, though I am sure there is no connection between

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the two, and all of us on the side of the House believes we have the

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best leader in Scotland and we believe she will play a crucial part

:58:10.:58:12.

in its affairs over the coming years as people come to realise that the

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SNP Government in Edinburgh may make a lot of noise, but it's actually

:58:17.:58:23.

incapable of getting the job done. On the 12th of May, the Prime

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Minister is hosting an anti-corruption Summit in London

:58:28.:58:31.

which has never happened before and I think it will have far reaching

:58:32.:58:36.

impact. Can we have a debate conferred -- concerning the British

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Overseas Territories and Crown dependencies on a process for

:58:40.:58:47.

benefit information. This is a subject to be debated in Westminster

:58:48.:58:50.

Hall shortly but by honourable friend is absolutely right about the

:58:51.:58:53.

role this Government has played in the last six years, bursting

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coalition and then on our own. We have delivered -- inevitable change

:58:58.:59:03.

than any previous Government and we should be proud of that. I thank the

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leader for the announcement of the business and with this afternoon's

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business which is nominated by the backbench business committed and the

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half day and day next week that he has announced, we are inching ever

:59:22.:59:26.

closer to the 27 days which the backbench business committee are

:59:27.:59:30.

entitled to within the parliamentary session and I do thank the Leader of

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the House for that. As has been mentioned, today is Workers Memorial

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Day and it is a day that is commemorated by the TUC and trades

:59:41.:59:45.

councils all around the country and in my own constituency there will be

:59:46.:59:51.

a memorial service at noon today. We say, remember the date -- the dead,

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remember the living. It is for those who die within their workplace. I

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wonder if the leader would consider recognising Workers Memorial Day in

:00:04.:00:09.

the future Parliamentary calendar? Well, Mr Speaker, can I say first of

:00:10.:00:13.

all on the subject of Workers Memorial Day that this country is a

:00:14.:00:16.

better place than it was in the past? He is right, representing an

:00:17.:00:22.

area where there have been great industrial accidents in the past, to

:00:23.:00:27.

recognise the progress made but also to recognise those who died before

:00:28.:00:31.

that progress was made. None of us would want to go back to those days

:00:32.:00:35.

and even though we often debate the complexity of health and safety, I

:00:36.:00:39.

put on record that in my view it is in no way in the interest of anyone

:00:40.:00:45.

in this country to have an environment where people are at risk

:00:46.:00:49.

in the workplace. When industrial accidents happen, as tragically

:00:50.:00:53.

happened at Didcot power station recently, we all regret it and I pay

:00:54.:00:57.

tribute to him and all sides of the House for the work they do to mark

:00:58.:01:01.

this occasion and that has never go back to a time when these things

:01:02.:01:08.

were commonplace in our country. With regards to the Parliamentary

:01:09.:01:13.

character, I am sure he will find an opportunity to recognise this

:01:14.:01:17.

important day but also to ensure that in coming years, the same

:01:18.:01:21.

opportunity is there for members of the House. -- the Parliamentary

:01:22.:01:28.

calendar. Macy, a nine-year-old girl in my constituency is not well at

:01:29.:01:32.

the moment. I think she was taken into hospital again last night. To

:01:33.:01:37.

make her completely better, she's going to have to go to the United

:01:38.:01:41.

States and the NHS are providing for that. But there was a problem

:01:42.:01:44.

because she couldn't get her passport. She doesn't have a

:01:45.:01:47.

passport and her mother doesn't have a passport and it would have taken

:01:48.:01:51.

up to six weeks for this to have occurred. Thanks to the intervention

:01:52.:01:57.

by my friend, the honourable member for Northampton North, and a

:01:58.:02:03.

personal intervention of the Home Secretary, the passports are now

:02:04.:02:07.

going to be sorted out tomorrow. Macy asked if I could thank the

:02:08.:02:14.

House for that and in particular the Home Secretary. So perhaps we could

:02:15.:02:18.

have a general debate sometime in the future about how the Government

:02:19.:02:21.

can, at times, work together for common sense? Mr Speaker, I think my

:02:22.:02:28.

honourable friend's words say at all. We wish her all the very best

:02:29.:02:33.

for her treatment and her recovery. It is nice to see. Very often the

:02:34.:02:38.

image of this place is one of political debate and confrontation,

:02:39.:02:41.

but actually behind the scenes there are decent people on all sides of

:02:42.:02:46.

this House, of whom he is one, working under half of their

:02:47.:02:48.

constituents, trying to solve problems like this one where all of

:02:49.:02:51.

us would want the right thing to be done. Mr Speaker, the Leader of the

:02:52.:02:57.

House will know that Calvin Thomas is retiring today after 26 years

:02:58.:03:01.

great service to the House, including six teen years as a

:03:02.:03:05.

doorkeeper and in the special gallery since 2009. I know Calvin

:03:06.:03:08.

well personally because we have sometimes been confused with each

:03:09.:03:13.

other due to our similar if different names. He has been

:03:14.:03:18.

consistently charming in carrying out his duties as a valued member of

:03:19.:03:25.

our staff, so may I raise the banks of all the members of the staff and

:03:26.:03:28.

wish him a happy retirement on our behalf? The honourable gentleman has

:03:29.:03:33.

had said it eloquently on behalf of all of us and I would echo his

:03:34.:03:38.

words, not only to which Calvin a very happy retirement but also to

:03:39.:03:41.

express thanks to our doorkeepers who are great servants to this

:03:42.:03:45.

House, treating us all with great courtesy and good humour, performing

:03:46.:03:49.

valuable work for us and we value what they do enormously. As my right

:03:50.:03:56.

honourable friend may know, the UK sepsis trust has been working for

:03:57.:04:00.

some time with the Secretary of State for Health to try to establish

:04:01.:04:07.

a public awareness campaign. This. Sepsis currently claims around

:04:08.:04:12.

44,000 lives in the UK a year and the symptoms of the disease are

:04:13.:04:15.

still not well recognised. Do you think we could have a debate on what

:04:16.:04:22.

could be done to introduce a sepsis specific awareness campaign for both

:04:23.:04:24.

children and adults because I believe it would save the lives of

:04:25.:04:30.

thousands of people every year? Mr Speaker, can I start by

:04:31.:04:34.

congratulating my honourable friend on the work she is doing in this

:04:35.:04:38.

important area and say I am aware that the Secretary of State is

:04:39.:04:40.

taking this issue enormously seriously. He has had meetings about

:04:41.:04:45.

the kind of work she is talking about and I am sure he will wish to

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take that forward. It is of course a very serious matter and it is

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beholden upon us, Mr Speaker, as representatives of our constituents

:04:55.:04:58.

as well as members of the Government to deal with challenges like that. I

:04:59.:05:07.

would ask the Leader of the House to condemn the Labour PCC candidate in

:05:08.:05:10.

North Wales for the appallingly callous Twitter comments which can

:05:11.:05:13.

only be interrupted by right thinking candidates as marking

:05:14.:05:20.

Hillsborough families. I tend to this. We'll be Leader of the House

:05:21.:05:30.

presently Business Secretary to make a statement to ensure Port Talbot

:05:31.:05:36.

workers that this Government priorities -- prioritises their

:05:37.:05:42.

future indeed as well is worth? All future decisions will be made on

:05:43.:05:48.

evidence -based research? Mr Speaker, I can ensure the honourable

:05:49.:05:52.

lady that this is a matter the Government takes enormously

:05:53.:05:55.

seriously. The Secretary of State for business will be here next week

:05:56.:05:57.

and I would say to her this is something the Government has taken

:05:58.:06:00.

interest in from the Prime Minister downwards. He has taken a personal

:06:01.:06:04.

interest and none of us want to see Paul Tolbert disappear. We all want

:06:05.:06:07.

to make steel and we will all make sure that it continues. Can we find

:06:08.:06:19.

time for a debate on the conduct of the EU referendum campaign so far?

:06:20.:06:23.

Can this thing in the south-west I have filed local residents

:06:24.:06:28.

absolutely angered by the intervention of the outgoing

:06:29.:06:34.

president and the intervention of national affairs and the ?9 million

:06:35.:06:41.

which has been spent on the leaflet and think the booklet making

:06:42.:06:44.

predictions for 2030 is crazy, when just like weather forecasters they

:06:45.:06:48.

cannot get their projections right for the next day? My honourable

:06:49.:06:59.

friend is a vigorous campaigner on these issues and he will be able to

:07:00.:07:03.

take part in a debate on the 9th of May. The interesting thing is, will

:07:04.:07:11.

be factors he has described have an impact on the poll he is describing?

:07:12.:07:19.

We have heard from the Shadow Leader of the House this morning that a

:07:20.:07:21.

British Airways computer system despite -- designed to stop the

:07:22.:07:26.

movement of terrorists crashed for 48 hours last year. I have also

:07:27.:07:32.

learned that an outsourcing programme at BA threatens 800

:07:33.:07:35.

skilled workers, skilled workers who are working to protect our country.

:07:36.:07:41.

May we therefore have a debate to discuss the role of outsourcing in

:07:42.:07:45.

this event and to stop BA from threatening our national security to

:07:46.:07:49.

save money? The Government takes our national security enormously

:07:50.:07:53.

importantly and of course, while the failure she talks about to Place,

:07:54.:07:57.

border control checks do and will always remain in place. Passports

:07:58.:08:00.

are checked when people arrive in this country and the new border

:08:01.:08:04.

system is mostly about trying to check people when they leave the

:08:05.:08:08.

country. It is something we hoped would happen many years ago but it

:08:09.:08:18.

never came to pass. Can we have a debate in Government time on the

:08:19.:08:22.

implications for the United Kingdom of the five presidents report on

:08:23.:08:25.

economic monetary union, because as my right honourable friend will be

:08:26.:08:30.

aware, under the guise of single market legislation, the proposals

:08:31.:08:33.

are to take Intel can signal, company law and is property rights,

:08:34.:08:42.

so don't we have a duty to talk about the consequences of remaining

:08:43.:08:46.

in the European Union? The five Presidents report is a major

:08:47.:08:51.

document which sets out the visions of the institution for the next ten

:08:52.:08:56.

years and it has and will provoke a lively debate about the future of

:08:57.:09:00.

this country and the European Union as a whole. If my honourable friend

:09:01.:09:04.

feels it is a matter that should be debated in this House, I would

:09:05.:09:09.

suggest, and I suspect they would be time available, and I would suggest

:09:10.:09:14.

a debate on the subject would attract widespread participation.

:09:15.:09:21.

Last week during prime ministers questions I raised a very serious

:09:22.:09:24.

issue of food banks increasing in the last year alone of 20% and this

:09:25.:09:30.

is precisely due to benefit delays and even more criminally benefit

:09:31.:09:37.

sanctions. One person had been sanctioned for three whole years.

:09:38.:09:41.

The reply I got from the Leader of the House was, this could only

:09:42.:09:44.

happen if three reasonable job offers had been turned down so I

:09:45.:09:49.

want to return to this issue to answer a question. Paul was on ?36 a

:09:50.:09:54.

week. He was on three sanctions you to not filling out his job log but

:09:55.:09:59.

correctly. He turned up ten minutes late due to problems getting a bus

:10:00.:10:04.

and thirdly, he was waiting for an hour at the Jobcentre which he had

:10:05.:10:09.

two expresses dissatisfaction for. Living on ?36 a week for three whole

:10:10.:10:12.

years, I would like them to consider as a matter of urgency a debate on

:10:13.:10:17.

the sanctions on an increasing number of people are having to

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depend on the Sanctuary -- the charity of others.

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I suggest the honourable gentleman looks at the circumstances of the

:10:27.:10:32.

case closely because I produced the sanction and it was a judge is for

:10:33.:10:37.

people who are on three separate occasions turned only reasonable job

:10:38.:10:40.

offer, people who refused to work, and it remains my view that people

:10:41.:10:43.

who refuse to work and refuse to work again and again should not be

:10:44.:10:46.

entitled to carry on receiving support from the benefit system.

:10:47.:10:50.

Last week in the excellent news, really welcome news that my

:10:51.:10:56.

honourable friend the Secretary of State for Education and safeguard

:10:57.:10:59.

the qualifications and teaching of community language. Gujarati,

:11:00.:11:06.

Bengali, who do, Japanese, Arabic, modern Greek, modern Hebrew,

:11:07.:11:14.

Portuguese and Turkish. That means we have safeguarded the

:11:15.:11:17.

qualifications and the teachings of these vital languages in the modern

:11:18.:11:21.

world so that everyone can communicate. Unfortunately, the

:11:22.:11:26.

Secretary of State was not able at Questions this week to regale the

:11:27.:11:30.

good news and I don't think something like this should be left

:11:31.:11:33.

to wither on the vine so surely we should have a statement on this

:11:34.:11:36.

position so that we can actually make sure that everyone understands

:11:37.:11:42.

that from 2018, these languages are safeguarded our education system. Of

:11:43.:11:45.

course this is enormously important and why we have the benefit of this

:11:46.:11:49.

country and the news we had to an international language and English,

:11:50.:11:53.

it is right and proper that as a cosmopolitan society we champion

:11:54.:11:58.

languages that not only preserve the communities that live here but also

:11:59.:12:01.

open enormous opportunities for Britain around the world saw my

:12:02.:12:04.

honourable friend makes an important point and I have no doubt she will

:12:05.:12:08.

look into the different channels available to him to make sure these

:12:09.:12:12.

matters are debated a lot more in this House. Last week I spoke in the

:12:13.:12:21.

introduction of the national living wage debate to highlight the

:12:22.:12:24.

injustice of the decision to deny the living wage to under 25 is. A

:12:25.:12:29.

young person could start work at 18 and be in a role for seven years

:12:30.:12:35.

before being paid the same as their older and potentially less

:12:36.:12:37.

experienced colleagues. Can we give members the time to write this wrong

:12:38.:12:43.

and extend a living wage to people under 25? It was the policy of this

:12:44.:12:50.

Government and previous Government to differentiate between older and

:12:51.:12:54.

younger workers precisely because when a young worker enters the

:12:55.:12:58.

workplace, the employer is making an investment decision as well as a

:12:59.:13:02.

recruitment decision. The employer takes responsibility for training

:13:03.:13:12.

and developing that worker. Many young people who start on the

:13:13.:13:15.

national living which will live on through success either in their own

:13:16.:13:19.

workplace or moving to another job to move up the pace skill but I

:13:20.:13:22.

think it is important to do everything we can to incentivise

:13:23.:13:30.

employers to take on young people. As we're talking about the dodgy

:13:31.:13:36.

behaviour of PCC candidates, a number of folks standing for

:13:37.:13:42.

election next week are previous coppers who are trading on the

:13:43.:13:45.

record as police officers. Does he agree with me that they should bring

:13:46.:13:49.

forward proposals to make sure that those standing to be PCC makes their

:13:50.:13:53.

police service records available for scrutiny? My honourable friend makes

:13:54.:13:59.

an important point, I am aware of allegations around the Labour PCC

:14:00.:14:04.

candidate in Humberside. It is absolutely the case that if the

:14:05.:14:08.

story alleged is true, he is unfit for public office and it is a matter

:14:09.:14:12.

of public interest that the two should be known before election day.

:14:13.:14:19.

Back in 1847 when Lord John Russell was Prime Minister, our taxi

:14:20.:14:25.

licensing laws were developed. We now have a problem in the North West

:14:26.:14:29.

of England where one particular local authority is handing out

:14:30.:14:34.

Hackney taxi licences like sweeties. The problem we've got is that once

:14:35.:14:38.

you have a hackney license, you can operate as a private hire a anywhere

:14:39.:14:44.

in the country so there are no taxis on this local authority operating as

:14:45.:14:48.

far afield as Bristol without appropriate checks and balances so

:14:49.:14:52.

can we have an urgent debate on how we bring up to date our taxi

:14:53.:14:57.

licensing regime? The honourable gentleman makes a good point and I

:14:58.:15:02.

was not aware of the situation. I will make sure that as John to the

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attention of the Secretary of State who was also unaware I'm sure I will

:15:07.:15:15.

look at the matter seriously. The Secretary of State for communities

:15:16.:15:17.

and local Government has threatened to introduce legislation which would

:15:18.:15:19.

make it illegal for those in my constituency to charge on Government

:15:20.:15:26.

and organise sporting event which attracts the few hundred people to a

:15:27.:15:33.

small part every weekend. I think it is a tad hypocritical. Could I ask

:15:34.:15:37.

my honourable friend if we can have a debate on the power of local

:15:38.:15:41.

councils the freedom to charge organisers who run sporting events

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in their parks? I am not aware of the proposal my honourable friend

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refers to it but I understand his concern and I can see why he would

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raise this as a matter of importance in the House today. What I would say

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to him is that I will draw that to the Secretary of State. Clearly we

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want to encourage local authorities to support and develop and underpin

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events like this that bring communities together. He makes an

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important point about his own constituency. I'll make sure we get

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the proper response for you. This week seen a dispute between the

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other place in this chamber and instead of leading to accompanied

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refugee children being allowed in, it will lead to more cronies in the

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House of Lords. The leader said there is no appetite for proper

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reform. I would like to ask him to make a statement, asking when is the

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public appetite for even more cronies and donors in the 800 that

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exist at present and where does the manifesto commitment to continue

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stuffing that other place? I do think the honourable gentleman and

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his colleagues opposite insult many of the very deserving and very

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effective people operating the other place, people who represent the

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disability lobby who have serious disabilities themselves, people who

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represent the arts world who have long track record in the arts,

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people from the business world. I think the expertise and the other

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place brings something significant to our parliamentary system even

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though sometimes the two houses disagree over issues are weak -- as

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we are currently. Given the delays my constituents have faced in reform

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payments, could we have a debate on farmers whose land crosses the

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English and Welsh borders and Scottish and English borderers who

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always appear to be at the back of the queue? This of course remains an

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issue. I have spoken to the department about this and it is true

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across the country that the vast majority of payments have now been

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made but I hear the point my honourable friend makes an owl make

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sure the Secretary of State is aware of his concerns and she will be here

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next week and will be able to respond to him fully. The Leader of

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the House will be aware of the emerging crisis at the yards on the

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Clyde tasked with building the type 26 frigate. A late start of the

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project and uncertainty over the future workflow threatens hundreds

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of jobs at Govan in Scotstoun. Can we therefore have a debate on

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Government time to allow members of this House to discuss in depth the

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future of the Klein ship building industry -- Clyde, and give a voice

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to those workers and should of the future? The reason the Clyde

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shipbuilding industry has a strong future is twofold, firstly because

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they remain part of the United Kingdom and therefore benefit from

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the United Kingdom's defence spending and the second is because

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this Government has committed to the 2% spending level is part of our

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commitment to Nato. If those things were not happening, of course the

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future would be much more uncertain but I'm convinced that the Clyde

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shipyards have a strong future. They are an essential part of and we need

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to make sure they continue to flourish. I have a statement about

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the treatment of Idaho is about politicians, petitions that

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attracted large number of signatures. As the leader knows,

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there's going to be a debate on the 9th of May about the petition to

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stop the Government spending sums of public money on pro Remain EU

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referendum. 2072 have so far signed as a few moments ago but that debate

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will be held in Westminster hall were no vote can be held. Should it

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not be a possibility for the backbench business committee to hold

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such debates in the main chamber because otherwise petitioners will

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be disappointed to find that although their concerns get debated,

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the House is unable to vote on them? My honourable friend makes an

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important point and not only on the subject, there are others, I do

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think I would encourage discourse between the two honourable members

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who cheer the business and backbench committees to see how well it

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petition reaches a certain level of public interest that the debate can

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be brought to the front of the House. Perhaps I can see from the

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chair, I think that would be a very good thing. I wouldn't dream of

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taking sides on the issues but in terms of the link dream Parliament

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and the people, I think it is very important that it be not just

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tangible but meaningful and a little scope for progress there so I very

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much appreciate what the Leader of the House has said. On that topic of

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democracy and having votes, the House divided last week on a motion

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to ask the UK Government to bring to the UN security council the issue of

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genocide against Christians, Yazidis and other people. The House 4278

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votes to zero. What the House do to bring the Government to account to

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make sure that it respects the democracy of this place and do what

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it has been asked to do and make sure that we take crimes against the

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people in these countries to the UN Security Council as major action is

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taken? The Government's position as one of shock, horror and

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condemnation about what has taken place, that is an unreserved

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statement, and I know that my honourable friend the Foreign

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Secretary is taking careful note of the view of the House as expressed

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in the debate that the honourable gentleman refers to. I recently had

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cause to write to the president of the European Commission asking him

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to clarify the role his commission is playing in her EU referendum. I

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have had no answer but given the fact that the commission spent ?560

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million directly promoting itself in 2014, that the commission interfered

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in the Irish referendum in 2009, could we have a statement from the

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Government as to whether it believes EU interviewers in this referendum

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as well, not? As I understand, it has no powers to prevent the EU

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being an unwelcome active participant in our democratic

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process. I can confirm that that is the case. However, I'm sure there

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will be different opinions in this House as to whether such an

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intervention would be helpful or unhelpful to either side of the

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argument. The minister who spoke from that dispatch box less than a

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year ago is now employed by industry in China, presumably using his

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insider knowledge with firms that bring competition with British

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industries. 70% of former civil servants on income tax are now

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working in the retirement tax avoidance industry, there should be

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a fierce, Rottweiler watchdog but there is nothing but a poodle

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without teeth or clause, Bart -- bark or bite and it is useless. Tell

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us what you really think! I'm not sure if my memory is correct but if

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I remember rightly, the committee to which she referred was set up by the

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party of which she is a part and I would remind him that it was a

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senior member of his own party who describe themselves after leaving

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office and well in pursuit of commercial opportunities as a taxi

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for hire. I visited the rugby junket is project in my constituency under

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the inspirational dealership of Annette Callier for amazing young

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people who play a part in the care of family members so I was concerned

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to hear that Warwickshire Young carers Project will lose funding

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that affects those under 18 and it will have an effect in rugby. Can I

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ask for a debate in the importance of properly supporting these young

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people? My friend makes an important point. One of the most invisible

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drips of yours are our young carers. None of us understand it until we

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come across it, how a child can be a full-time carer for a parent. I have

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a young carers in my constituency which does enormously valuable work.

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His grip plays an important role clearly and I'm sure he will do

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everything he can to make sure its future is guaranteed because it is

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important to the communities represents.

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I'm becoming increasingly concerned about the discriminatory language

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that has been used in the chamber recently the Education Secretary

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called the opposition death, using deafness as a pejorative term, which

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I think is unacceptable. The Prime Minister used the term pond see,

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which many people think is homophobic. I wonder if we could

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have a statement about the language that we use in this chamber. Mr

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Speaker, I think people here in words what they want to hear but the

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one thing I would say is that nobody could accuse the pie Minister of

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homophobia. The man who bought this House and saw through same-sex

:25:44.:25:45.

marriage is not somebody who could ever be described as homophobic. We

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know that there has been a very thorough committee meeting on the UK

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steel industry but will be Leader of the House organised a statement to

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be put out next week so that all members are able to put questions to

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ministers on behalf of our steel towns, because it is very important

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that both we and our constituents know exactly what is happening and

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what process -- progress is being made to secure the industry? All of

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those who represent steel towns have done a great job in recent weeks to

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remind us of the importance of that industry and I commend them for

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that. I can lay on just such an opportunity because next week is the

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Business Secretary them skills questions and he will be -- he will

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be able to put it to the Secretary of State then. Heart of the press

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this morning is early day motion 1432 which backs up the bill I

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produced on Tuesday to abolish hereditary peers rights to vote and

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speak in the House of Lords. Given that there are now the same number

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of members on the front bench of the Government as they were voting in

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the election of hereditary peers last week, is there not -- is it not

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time we had a debate to and this farcical process? The party opposite

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was endowment for 13 years but didn't address the issue they are

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calling for change on. We all admit that there is something curiously

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quaint about the Liberal Democrat electorate of three and one has to

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cut them a bit of slack because there are so few of them these days,

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but my view is that there are pressing issues facing this country

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and probably dealing with three people is not top of them. Can I ask

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the Leader of the House if we can have a debate on the London licensed

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taxi trade? My black cab drivers in my constituency offer a lots more to

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London and their community than Uber does. Mr Speaker, my honourable

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friend makes an important point and in the free market, London taxi

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drivers do face challenges, but I believe they are the best in the

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world. I believe they bring something of immense value to our

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city and I don't believe anything that any of us in politics, either

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at this level or at the London level, would wish to jeopardise

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that. Because of statements made in the back page business debate a

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couple of weeks ago in this House, I presume the Government will see for

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security review the Chilcott report last week. Can the Leader of the

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House are daters when we can expect a debate in the House? I am aware

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that it is now going through what I hope are the final processes before

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publication and I have said to this House before there is not a person

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on our side of the House who would not wish to see that report out and

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published. We were not in power at the time so the issues in their do

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not affect us. We want to see the truth out there and we want to learn

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lessons about the Chilcott process in the event of this other having to

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happen again. Could we have a debate on making it easier for metropolitan

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councils to switch to all-out elections or elections by halves,

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said that councils like Dudley can cut the cost of local politics but

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Mr Speaker, it is of course an important issue. They have the

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bleeding to do that. It is a matter for local councils as to whether

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they have elections in thirds, hard or individually and my personal view

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is that it is a real hike for a local council to do elections every

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year and I prefer all out elections by self but that is down to local

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decision-making. Every year on the Sunday closest to St George's Day

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Enfield Scouts and guides take part in St George 's date parades through

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Enfield town and I am normally there with them. It is a fantastic day. I

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want to pay to be to be Scouts and the guides but particularly to all

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the volunteer leaders who enable Scouts and guides to happen for our

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young people and what a good job they do. I am very concerned that

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with the cuts that the Government is passing down to local authorities,

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youth services are severely at risk and I would ask for a debate in

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Government time to consider this problem that is affecting our young

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people and their families. Mr Speaker, can I also pay tribute to

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the honourable lady for what she had said about anti-Semitism in her

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party. It brings credit to her as it does to the Shadow leader. Can I

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also say to her that I absolutely at tree with her on the role of the

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Scouts and guides but I would say that of course what they represent

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is the best of our voluntary sector and I think that sometimes we look

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to depend too much on the Government and public sector for the best work.

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That work is happening without any involvement of the Government and

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has done in the centuries since the Scouts and guides movement was

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formed and long may it continue. The Jewish immunity has a history with

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Scotland going beyond 200 years -- 's Jewish community, and I know

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members of this House will want to send a message that we value the

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contribution they have made not just in Scotland but across the United

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Kingdom. With that in mind and given events this week, can we have a

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debate on the valuable contribution that they have made to civil society

:31:38.:31:42.

in this country and, equally important, how we retard

:31:43.:31:45.

anti-Semitism in our political discourse in this country? The

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honourable gentleman makes a clearly important point and we have heard

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important contributions on that subject today. This is not just

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about anti-Semitism. It is about as phobia and prejudices against other

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groups in our society. There is no place in our society for racial

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prejudice. It has no place and we should unreservedly condemn it

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whenever we find it. I would like to ask if we could possibly in light of

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changes to the railways have a debate about how community groups,

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such as mining Berry, could lead to discuss how they can drive forward

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local ownership of railway assets that are to be disposed of so that

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local people get a say in what happens in their locality? This is

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actually a very important point and we have to be very careful about

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disposing of our assets for two reasons. One, as she has described,

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and the other because local authorities often have a vision to

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bring transport back into the locale and if that is sold off, that option

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is taken away. One of the things I am proud of is the reopening of

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railway lines and railway corridors of the last 15 years. You will be

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aware, Mr Speaker, that recently a new service was opened from Oxford

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to London Marylebone across lines which were previously disused and

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have been brought into operation again and Chiltern Railways. She

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makes an important point because had decisions being made to dispose of

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those facilities, that route would not have been possible. We'll ready

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see the reopening of the line from Cambridge, said she makes an

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important point about heroin constituency but it is applicable

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across the country. Last month in business questions I raised the

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point of Mike constituent -- of my constituency who took a drug which

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left her children with birth defects. I was advised to raise this

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at health questions but unfortunately I wasn't successful

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and I wonder if you have any advice for me on how I can raise the issue

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of this drug? The health minister has just arrived in the House, so

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that opportunity, and will probably have heard what she said, but I will

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raise this with the Department of Health for her at the end of this

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session and I will ask the appropriate minister to respond to

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her. She makes a good point and it is one we must be clear of. Many

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drugs make a difference to our society but when there are side

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effects like that that she refers to, we must be very careful I am

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most anxious that the Minister on the Treasury bench should have an

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opportunity to regain his breath. He is a very welcome arrival. He has

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just done the marathon. That might be why he is out of breath. Mr

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Speaker, could we have a debate to discuss the crazy situation I faced

:35:08.:35:10.

in Bexhill and Battle where our local authority has parking

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enforcement matters the responsibility of the police, who

:35:15.:35:20.

have stated that they can no log do this because they are required to

:35:21.:35:23.

look after policing matters. The local authority refused to take it

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on and this is driving our residents and business people absolutely mad.

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Could we have a debate about whether the men should step in and end this

:35:33.:35:37.

madness? Before I answer that, in relation to the arrival of my

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honourable friend for North East Bedfordshire, can I pay tribute to

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him but to all the members of the House he ran the marathon last

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weekend and emerged with medals around their neck, and in the past,

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but I'd like to focus on this year, please, and I commend all those who

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raised funds for charity, raised awareness of charities and they

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deserve a collective pat on the back from people of this House. What I

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would say from my honourable friend is that he is right. I can

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understand the frustration that local businesses have I would urge

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him to be double the on local authorities. If they have enough

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people coming behind him and what he wants to achieve, in the end, they

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will have to give way. I am grateful to the Leader of the House and I

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join him in congratulating the Minister on the front bench on

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running the marathon again and all other participants in the marathon.

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But the Leader of the House said is both right and greatly appreciated

:36:41.:36:41.

by colleagues.

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