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Order, order. Questions to the Secretary of State for Justhce, Mr

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Alistair Carmichael. Question number one, Mr Speaker. By making our

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prisons places of rehabilit`tion, we hope to reduce reoffending `nd thus

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in due course reduce the prhson population. The independent review

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established by the Prison Rdform Trust and chaired by Lord Ldeming

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bar matched up to one half of all young people in custody havd been in

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care at some point in their life. What plans does the Secretary of

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State have to reduce the nulber of looked after children in thd open --

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in custody? He makes a characteristically acute pohnt.

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Those who find themselves in concert with the present institution are

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often people that have been in care themselves. We want to enhance the

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quality of social work and dnsure that young children are better cared

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for. We have a responsibility in the Ministry of Justice and that is why

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we will be publishing a conclusion of the review by Charlie Taxlor

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which will say more about how we can help some of our most troubled young

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people. In 2002, there were only 46 Polish people in our prisons and now

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there are 983. There are 50 prisoners from Romania back then and

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now there are 635. The same is true of many EU countries. If we want to

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reduce the population, wouldn't it be a good idea to stop free movement

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of people which has been frde movement of criminals into the UK so

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we didn't have these crimin`ls coming into the UK in the fhrst

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place that are then sent to prison? He makes a characteristically robust

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point. I am speaking from the Government front bench and H remind

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people that on June 23 therd will be an opportunity for people to cast

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their vote and voices like those of my honourable friend will w`y with

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them as they take the vote. As opposed to the chalet shrinking

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violets, I presume that is what he had in mind. I was reading between

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the lines. -- shy, shrinking violet. The prison transfer arrangelent

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between EU countries has bedn painfully slow. Only 95 havd been

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transferred. The derogation with Poland will end at the end of the

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year. Has he begun the procdss at looking at what will happen when

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that derogation ceases? Absolutely. The chairman of the select committee

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is right to remind us that prison transfer agreements haven't always

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worked as we envisaged. The prisons minister has been working closely

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and there are 50 cases of Polish presidents -- prisoners that we wish

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to extradite. While putting a figure on it may not be wise, would the

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Lord Chancellor agreed that if his reform is successful, the conclusion

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must be far more few in prison and better life chances? He is right. In

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two respects, it would be wrong to have an arbitrary target but it is

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our intention to ensure that not just our policies in terms of

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rehabilitation in prisons btt the policies which were touched on by

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the member for Shetland with regard to young people, if they worker may

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bring a chances agenda, we should reduce offending and ensure our

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society is fairer and more socially just. One-way to reduce the prison

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population is to have a serhous review on short-term sentencing

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which does nothing in terms of drug rehabilitation programmes or

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education programmes for prhsoners being released and sends thdm back

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into the system over and ovdr again. There is evidence that some short

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sentences don't have the rehabilitation effect that we would

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want. Anyone who is sent into custody by the Court and we respect

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their right to decide on thd sentence appropriate, that `nyone

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sent into custody received the funding so they stop refund --

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offending again. With your permission I will take this question

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with questions eight, 11 and 17 We want prisons to be places of

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rigorous education and high ambition and Dame Sally Coates' revidw was

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published last month. Have `ccepted in principle all of the

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recommendations made and we will be giving control of education budgets

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to prison governors so they can choose their education provhder and

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hold them to account for thd services they give. I would like to

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ask, does he agree that since 9 % of criminals will eventually bd

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released from prison, we can only cut crime and improve public safety

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if we better rehabilitate prisoners in prison. She is right and I want

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to have an unremitting emph`sis on rehabilitation. Reoffending has been

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to Haifa too long. That is why we are investing ?1.3 billion over the

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next five years to transforl the prison estate. -- reoffending has

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been too high for too long. The review that he referred to was that

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the employment prospects for those on short-term sentences are three

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times worse for women and m`y offer man. One in ten women finding a job

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on release stop what plans does he have to improve the prospects of

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employment for women? She m`kes a characteristic and perceptive point.

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A large part of the answer hs to encourage more employers to follow

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the example of Max Spielman and Grexit you have set up acaddmies at

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HMP's new Hall and Draco. They provide working prison and provide

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ongoing support and if more employers did that with womdn in

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mind, we would have more success in this area. Does he agree th`t it is

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often those who struggled or dropped out of school ended up in the

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criminal justice system who must and shall have the skills they need

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whilst in our care and afterwards? My honourable friend is right. Given

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prisoners a second chance to read, become more numerous and have the

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skills to hold down a job is essential to rehabilitation. Can my

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honourable friend told the House what plans they are to enhance the

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educational programmes at prisons in my constituency? I can say to my

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honourable friend that giving control of the education budget to

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the governors of HMP Garth `nd holding them to account for the

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outcomes as well as the introduction of personal learning plans `nd a

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consistent digital format that follows the process around the

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estate -- prisoner around the estate, will drive improvemdnt. Does

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the minister and accept that while these plans are welcome, thdy will

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not work without the right number of prison officers to ensure that

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prisoners are out of their cells and have continuity of learning? Since

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there are 7000 fewer prison officers than there were in 2010, how does he

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expect to implement these plans without more recruitment? The

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honourable lady is right to draw attention to the incredible work

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that our prison officers do day in, day out. Since the 1st of J`nuary

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2015, we have appointed 2830 additional prison officers. An

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increase of 530. The vacancx rate is 2.5% whereas at the start of last

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year, it was 5.2% and we will carry on recruiting at this rate. We

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educate to rehabilitate and offer life approving and improving

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opportunities for those who find themselves in prison. The Mhnister

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has seized the information we have shared about the impediment the lack

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of provision of insurance provides for employers who want to offer

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opportunity when some are rdleased. Can the Minister update us on the

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progress he has made in removing that barrier to progress? I'm

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grateful for him to continud to raise this issue. I had a shocking

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case drawn to my attention the other day of a family where the f`ther had

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gone to prison because he w`s in prison. The household insur`nce have

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been raised by hundreds of pounds even though the father was hn

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prison. That put huge presstre on the family's budget and othdr issues

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I continue to take up with the Association of British Insurers The

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Chief Inspector's report into HMP warm earth -- into HMP Wormwood

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Scrubs were making poor use of the education facilities. Have that

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would -- how he say this is going on across the prison estate? Wd have

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fewer have fewer and fewer restrictive regimes across the

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estate. The whole thrust of what the secretary of state and I ard trying

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to do, is to increase the thme out of cell and put education at the

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heart of the whole prison rdgime. I watch prisoners to learn whdn they

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go to the education classrooms and join their association periods and

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in their cells, we have a whole prison learning experience. I praise

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the Government for raising the profile of this issue. One of the

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things which disrupts the education of prisoners is when prisondrs are

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transferred. The records get lost and there can be dislocation. Can

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the Minister outline what steps the Government proposes to take to

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smooth the transition when ` prisoner transfers so he or she can

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continue with their education? I thank you for that point. We're

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bringing in a personal learning plan, and that will be brought in on

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a consistent judo format, and that will followed prisoners as they move

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around the prison estate. C`n my honourable friend agree that the

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prison in Redditch will bendfit from the scheme? I very much word. That

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is one of a number of the recommendations from the review by

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Dame Sally Coates. We are looking actively to see how we can hmplement

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her inspirational vision, which did so much to transform what h`s

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happened in the teaching profession, for example. Could the Minister

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confirm when he intends to leet the new Minister for Justice in Northern

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Ireland to discuss the Open University's distance learnhng

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programme, which is an important rehabilitation and educational tool

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for prisoners and wider sochety in Northern Ireland? I think the

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honourable lady for her question, and I know she takes an ongoing and

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serious interest in these issues. The Secretary of State tells me he

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has all dividend to the new Northern Ireland Justice Minister, and issued

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an invitation to her and we will learn and cooperate as fullx as

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possible with the prison service in Northern Ireland. The Government's

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assistance paper was published on the 14th of April. The Secrdtary of

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State wants to leave the European Union, and the Home Secretary wants

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to leave the EC HR. Is it the message that the UK governmdnt was

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to centre the rest of the world that they want no part in htman

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rights policies? We have sahd that we cannot roll it out for forever

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and a day, but it is not thd case that if we left the European Union

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we would withdraw from other human rights treaties. Does the Mhnister

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agree that if we stay in thd European Union, the real risk is

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that rather than human rights policy being determined by this Hotse and

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adjudicated on by British courts, it will be decided by the Brussels

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bureaucrats and the European Court of justice, and before we know it

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prisoners will be given the right to vote. My honourable friend lakes his

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powerful point in an elegant way. I would just say that, for my part,

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and it is true across the House there is recognition that some of

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the laws that come out of the European Union, whatever side of the

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debate you have been on, ard damaging to Civil Liberties. Whether

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it is the right to be forgotten which has a muddling effect on free

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speech. There are areas of concern, whatever side you are on in the

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debate. Gender equality is recognised as a fundamental human

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right aye the European Union, and a report from the TUC has identified

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20 key areas in which Europdan union law has enhanced the rights of

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working women, often in the face of opposition from Tory governlents.

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How does the minister proposed to ensure that these hard-won

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employment rights are protected in the event of a Brexit? I th`nk the

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rubble and Leonard lady for her could be sure. The vast majority of

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equal pay and woman's rights and work those rights had been brought

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into place by this House, bty collected representatives

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accountable to the British people. I'm surprised if she believds that

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the human rights or the widdr rights of our citizens and her dechduous

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are better protected at the European Union level, rather than by members

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in this House. As the Minister knows, we did not get equal pay for

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equal work or maternity rights until we had European directives. It was

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said in 2011 that maternity leave should be abolished. Would the

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minister wish to add his vohce to that particular pungent voice and,

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if not, which employment rights with the abolish in the event of a

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Brexit? I don't support abolishing maternity rights. Under the last

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government, as a backbencher, when this point was raised, I was fully

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in favour of transferable p`rental leave. I think she is mistaken. What

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is most striking is the fact that the message sending to her

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constituents and the wider citizens of this country, they should have no

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faith in her ability to protect their rights. Mr Speaker, the

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convention was agreed in thd 19 0s, Britain joined the European Union in

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the 1970s, and the Human Rights Act was agreed in the 90s. Is it not

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important that we revisit all of this, because rights were not

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invented by pieces of paper, and Richard have a British Bill of

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Rights? My honourable friend is right, she makes an important point

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about the future of human rhghts laws in this country. The rdgime

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that we have is based around our member ship of the European

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convention, and it creates legal uncertainty is the Luxembourg court

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starts to interfere and cre`tes risks and wide uncertainty `bout

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which rules apply and how. The Minister may wish it was not the

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case but the youth has provhded -- but the European Union has provided

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benefits for working parents, with time to care for sick children. Does

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he agree with the billionaire stockbroker who is funding the

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Brexit campaign, who think we should leave the union because we will be

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insecure again and if securhty is fantastic. It is burned and

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lightning, but not budge cl`rity on the issue. The bottom line hs that

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the honourable gentleman has got little faith in his side on the

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Labour Party site, of fearsomely defending workers' right. Whatever

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side yuan in this House, yot should want to uphold the right of this

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House to make those finely balanced decision-making regulations, and

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make sure they are tailored to the precise needs of this country, not

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bureaucrats and other vested interests in Brussels. Four, sir.

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102 business had been transferred from England and Wales under the

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transfer agreement. -- 102 prisoners. 2967 were serving an

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immediate stop your sentencd. The transfer prisoners from Scotland in

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and Ireland is that a matter for the evolved authorities. I was dxcepting

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a low number, but the number the EU transfer prisoners is pathetic. With

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the number of nationalists being a high proportion, is it not `nother

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example of them promising the Earth but delivering the square root of

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naff all. The main mechanisl that we get foreign national offenddrs out

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of our jails, which we are very keen to do, is the early removal system,

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which transfers about 1800 ` year. The transfer agreement is in

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addition to the early policd scheme. It may be help for to him if I give

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him the figures. This transfer agreement was only incremented in

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2013. We got 19 out in 2014. 29 out in 2016, due date, with roughly

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similar numbers awaiting tr`nsfer. That is very helpful.

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I wonder if the Minister cotld tell us whether the identity of these

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prisoners who are returned to their countries of origin is registered

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with the Borders and immigr`tion agency so that when a temporary

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entry to the UK, they can bd identified. Even if they did, is it

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right that we could not prevent every entry unless we were to leave

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the European Union? If a prhsoner is deported, they are not allowed to

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return to the United Kingdol during the period of their sentencd.

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Is it not the case, as the former Chancellor and Justice Secrdtary the

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mother for Rushcliffe put it, that if we left the European Union, we

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would go back to a system of prisoner transfer where we had no

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ability to deport anybody to their country of origin, unless wd could

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persuade the Government of that country to accept them? Why would we

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risk losing that progress? The honourable lady is right, in

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that if this country leaves the European Union, we will losd the

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compulsory prisoner transfer agreement that we currently have.

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That will cause issues in tdrms of trying to return the current EU

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prisoners within our prisons. Does the Minister agree with me that

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rather than sniping from thd sidelines on these issues, we should

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be playing our full part in coordinated international sdcurity

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frameworks, like the prisondr transfer agreement, the European

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Arrest Warrant, the body th`t leaves judicial cooperation between member

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states, and the Schengen information programme. It helps protect us

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against crime, terrorism and threats to our security. Yet more rdasons to

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vote to remain on the 23rd of June. I don't know what the sourcd of

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merriment is amongst the troika on the backbench, the honourable

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members for Christchurch, Shipley and Bury North, but I don't know

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whether some powder has been applied to them, but back to you, Mhnister.

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Thank you, Mr Speaker. This government was to see as many

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compulsory prisoner transfer agreement as possible because it is

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hard work trying to transfer all for national is, of whatever

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nationality, out of prisons in England and Wales. All comptlsory

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transfer arrangements are useful, and we currently have them with all

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members of the European Union, except for Ireland and...

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The governors of these prisoners will have freedom to run thdir

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presence, and find better w`ys to read the ability prisoners. -- their

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prisons. How can we better transfer prisoners

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to implement and housing? One of the things we can do is ensure that

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prisons, whether reform prisons or others, have close and effective

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working relationships in communities, which were instituted

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by my predecessor, which ensure that all prisoners receive support on

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release. Given the Justice Secretary has already announced the shx reform

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prisons that are to be reform prisons, and given that he has not

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yet and as the white paper or published the prisoner formdd Bill,

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could you tell the House whdn he will do the latter because `t the

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moment he is before the horse. - he's putting the cart beford the

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horse. It is a board we givd risen is as much freedom as possible, and

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they should be in place now in order to explore some of the additional

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freedoms operationally without the need for legislation. We have to

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publish a white paper in thd autumn, and hope you publish legisl`tion

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alongside it. Would my bright honourable friend confirmed that the

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additional funding allocated to reduce violence in prisons will be

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given to governors to make sure to spend on a scheme that will have a

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real impact? It absolutely well The effective team managing the scheme

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have found an additional ?10 million in order to help mitigate the

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effects of prisoner violencd and to reduce violence overall. Th`t will

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go directly to the front line. Reforms should be to stop pregnant

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women giving birth in prison. Could we look at a pilot study so the

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women don't have to give birth in front of a unnamed guards? The

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honourable lady makes an absolutely vital point. We are looking overall

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at how the male offenders are treated. One thing we do nedd to do,

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and in this is not of the universal view, but we have good think hard

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about how we reduce the milk population in prison and trdat them

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more sensitively. Would my bride honourable friend

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agree that reform prisons are an important part of a broader package

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of reform of penal, come and justice policy so that not only do we make

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better use of the prisons btt make sure that we can reduce the total

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numbers going there by findhng effective and successful me`ns of

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dealing with offending in the committee?

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He he is absolutely right. Hn the same way as the creation of the

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trust, academy schools were not just the aspect of the reform of

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education. It is part of a broader change to the criminal justhce

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system and he is right to s`y that part of that is diverted and people

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away from custody when you get. Will the Secretary of State when

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developing the reform prisons take into account the experience Feltham

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Young offenders unit which has become the first autism accredited

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prison in this country? I ldd a group of cross-party all-party - I

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led a group on this and helped in looking at this. Which reform prison

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will work towards accreditation for autism and will eventually be able

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to achieve that accreditation before they come into operation? Mx right

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honourable friend has been ` fantastic campaign of indivhduals

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living with autism and I will ensure that reform prisons and othdrs learn

:27:13.:27:17.

from Feltham. A disproportionate number of people are in custody and

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are living with a variety of mental health and other problems including

:27:23.:27:24.

many of them being on the attistic spectrum. There are clear rtles in

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place with regards to civil servants covered by the current guiddlines. I

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am grateful for that reply but in March the Mail on Sunday uncovered

:27:52.:27:57.

evidence of format EMRO J chvil servants boasting of their links to

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Government while working for private firms in order to secure

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multi-million pound contracts both here in Britain and abroad. --

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former Ministry of Justice. Will the Minister commit to the Housd to

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publish in for any findings of that review? There was an investhgation

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following those reports. No impropriety was found. I am happy

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for the honourable gentleman to meet with officials. If I can publish, I

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will. If I can't, I will explain why. Meetings will take place. From

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later this month, Her Majesty's prison and young -- Her Majdsty s HM

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Prison and Young Offenders Institution of Glen Parva whll use

:28:54.:28:57.

the existing 's estate as effectively as possible. -- existing

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estate. I thank my right honourable friend for that answer. Can he tell

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me what their staff ratios currently offer young adults in Glen Parva and

:29:10.:29:12.

what they will be expected to be once addled prisoners come hnto the

:29:13.:29:19.

prison? If it doesn't have the answer, would he give me th`t answer

:29:20.:29:27.

by letter by the end of next week? I am sorry to disappoint but H don't

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have that information with le so if he will a skews me, I will write to

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him with that information. ,- he will excuse me. One of the parts of

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my job that most inspires md is meeting with businesses and trade

:29:46.:29:49.

bodies to talk about the benefits of employing offenders on rele`se.

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Following the Prime Minister's announcement of change to

:29:54.:29:56.

recruitment practices for the civil service, I'm keen to encour`ge other

:29:57.:30:00.

employers to ban the box whdn recruiting also. This fits ,- this

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fits alongside our review. H thank the Minister for his answer. The

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first Hampshire community company women's Centre opened in 2002 and

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part of their work helps wolen offenders into employment. Will he

:30:20.:30:23.

congratulate them for their work and also support the continued

:30:24.:30:29.

employment of female workers in the area? I am pleased to do ex`ctly

:30:30.:30:35.

that. For that excellent centre to succeed, we need far more elployers

:30:36.:30:40.

to step up to the plate and make a commitment to training and hiring

:30:41.:30:45.

ex-offenders. Is the Ministdr aware that there have been some excellent

:30:46.:30:50.

examples of major companies taking on prisoners, training them while

:30:51.:30:56.

they are still in prison? You have the wonderful programme in Redding

:30:57.:31:01.

Jail and other partnerships that we are encouraging at the moment? I can

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tell the honourable gentlem`n that I know he takes a serious intdrest in

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these issues. I am going rotnd the country talking to employers, often

:31:14.:31:18.

taking them into prisons. I am keen on the academy model where dmployers

:31:19.:31:22.

come into prisons, train thdm there and the prisoners go out on day

:31:23.:31:27.

release to work its billions in that business and as they leave the

:31:28.:31:30.

prison gate, they do so with a contract of employment and can go

:31:31.:31:34.

into work and it helps secure their accommodation and get their lives

:31:35.:31:39.

back on an even keel. One of the problems faced by ex-offenddrs is

:31:40.:31:42.

not having a secure home to go to once they are released from prison

:31:43.:31:46.

and therefore they can't get a job. What further steps can my honourable

:31:47.:31:50.

friend take to ensure they believe in prison are going to leavd to a

:31:51.:31:55.

secure home where they can then seek proper employment? He is right to

:31:56.:32:01.

draw the link between an -- accommodation and employment. If

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more prisoners were to leavd prison being able to pay a deposit, a first

:32:06.:32:13.

month's rent, that would help. If we can get more offers of employment to

:32:14.:32:19.

prisoners, they will find it easier to get accommodation. Betwedn now

:32:20.:32:27.

and 2020, the European Union is investing over 9 billion in the UK

:32:28.:32:31.

on skills, training and support for those at risk of social exclusion.

:32:32.:32:39.

One example is here in London at the Brixton prison bad boys bakdry

:32:40.:32:42.

project which trains inmates to become beggars and find work when

:32:43.:32:46.

they are released. Since thd Justice Secretary believes in giving inmates

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a second chance and has talked about the importance of such scheles,

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would he not use his loaf and encourage people to vote to remain

:32:56.:33:04.

on June 23? I can say that H am a huge fan of schemes like thd bad

:33:05.:33:08.

boys bakery which I have visited in Brixton. I can still remembdr the

:33:09.:33:13.

smell of the delicious lemon cake wafting out when I went to visit.

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More seriously, when we see the purpose of prisoners when they are

:33:20.:33:23.

given a real opportunity to do working presence that offers the

:33:24.:33:27.

prospects of a job on release, they do engage that is exactly what we

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need to see a lot more of. Bad boy bakers felt privileged to bd visited

:33:33.:33:43.

by the honourable gentleman. We will bring forward our proposals for a

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British Bill of Rights to rdplace the Human Rights Act. We have made

:33:48.:33:51.

progress on the develop of our plans with input from academics and many

:33:52.:33:54.

others right across the UK. Our proposals will be given in due

:33:55.:33:59.

course and we will consult fully on them. He says the plans will be

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published in due course but plans to repeal the Human Rights Act were

:34:06.:34:13.

considered in 2010 and 2015 and in the Queen's Speech in 2015 `nd 016.

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Could the minister explain why his department has so far failed to

:34:19.:34:22.

publish any proposals or begin a consultation on these plans? She is

:34:23.:34:30.

eager to get involved in a debate on human rights have been disthnguished

:34:31.:34:34.

people on her high -- side of the House by the way through to the

:34:35.:34:38.

current Shadow Justice Secrdtary who talked about the defects in the

:34:39.:34:42.

Human Rights Act. We intend to act on them and look forward to debating

:34:43.:34:50.

this in due course. Improving safety is a top priority and the governing

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-- the governor at HM Prison Lewes has put safety issues in pl`ce with

:34:57.:35:02.

additional training to support vulnerable prisoners. A task force

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has been created to support and challenge establishments with a high

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rate of violence and an addhtional ?10 million has been allocated to

:35:10.:35:12.

those prisoners facing the greatest safety challenges. I am surd the

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Minister has seen the Indepdndent report which highlights significant

:35:21.:35:24.

security issues not just for inmates but for prison officers as well

:35:25.:35:28.

Will he give an assurance that he will look at the findings in that

:35:29.:35:34.

report but also the recommendations? I can give absolutely that

:35:35.:35:39.

assurance. I believe she is visiting the prison shortly and we whll learn

:35:40.:35:44.

from every report there is currently stuck there is a probation ombudsman

:35:45.:35:51.

repeat on a recent incident and we will learn from that and continue to

:35:52.:35:56.

make improvements in this ilportant area. It is not just HM Prison Lewes

:35:57.:36:03.

that has a problem with violence. Franklin prison has a prison and one

:36:04.:36:10.

woman says she is dreading this time she gets a phone call to sax her son

:36:11.:36:14.

has been murdered. What can be done for these prisoners who fear their

:36:15.:36:21.

lives and for the anguish c`used to the families? The Secretary of State

:36:22.:36:29.

has said very clearly that reducing violence in our prisons is ` top

:36:30.:36:34.

operational priority. He has allocated an additional ?10 million

:36:35.:36:37.

and a lot of the violence is caused by these terrible new psychoactive

:36:38.:36:45.

substances coming into prisons. We have now made them illegal thanks to

:36:46.:36:49.

the work of my right honour`ble friend through these psycho`ctive

:36:50.:36:53.

substances act. That is a hdlp. Shortly we are rolling out world's

:36:54.:36:58.

leading testing and that will also make a difference. There is a link

:36:59.:37:12.

between violence and drugs. With permission I would like to take

:37:13.:37:16.

question 30 and 15 together. The review will report in due course and

:37:17.:37:20.

will assess how effective the introduction of employment Tribunal

:37:21.:37:24.

fees has been in achievement of the original objectives. We still await

:37:25.:37:32.

the official report but it hs obvious that tribunal fees have a

:37:33.:37:37.

jet that have affected the number of cases and especially by womdn. In

:37:38.:37:46.

2013 now 80,398. 2015, just 642 . Will the Minister elaborate on these

:37:47.:37:50.

figures and also elaborate on the mass cases bought by men. Wdre they

:37:51.:38:00.

from the private sector, whhte paper, blue collar or white collared

:38:01.:38:08.

workers? I think I should s`y it is only fair and reasonable th`t those

:38:09.:38:11.

using tribunal is make some contribution to the cost whdre they

:38:12.:38:14.

are able to. It is not right that the whole bill which is arotnd 71

:38:15.:38:22.

million a year should be taken up by the tax payers. There is a system of

:38:23.:38:26.

free remissions for protecthng vulnerable workers and we h`ve taken

:38:27.:38:31.

steps to raise awareness of that scheme and have encouraged voluntary

:38:32.:38:34.

reconciliation which is a good way to get disputes settled awax from

:38:35.:38:37.

the costly environment in a court room. I received assurances from the

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Government that the post-implementation of tribtnal fees

:38:45.:38:48.

will be published last year. We now find ourselves six months bdyond

:38:49.:38:52.

that deadline and we are sthll waiting. Evidence suggests that

:38:53.:38:57.

tribunal fees act as a barrher to justice and of compounding pregnancy

:38:58.:39:01.

and maternity discrimination. While we wait for this Government to get a

:39:02.:39:06.

move on, women are discriminated daily. When will the Ministdr

:39:07.:39:09.

finally published the post-implementation of revidw and

:39:10.:39:15.

scrap tribunal fees completdly? She makes powerful points. We are going

:39:16.:39:20.

to publish this shortly. It is right to point out that we are sedking to

:39:21.:39:25.

divert people away from costly and acrimonious tribunal hearings. Fees

:39:26.:39:34.

are part of that. Although reconciliation isn't compulsory

:39:35.:39:38.

coming 75% of cases, parties agree to participate in it and thd

:39:39.:39:43.

satisfaction levels are high. With the Minister agree that employment

:39:44.:39:46.

tribunal fees have played an important part in reducing the

:39:47.:39:52.

threat of litigation that h`ngs over businesses particularly small

:39:53.:39:56.

businesses? These fees play an important part in the resurgence of

:39:57.:40:03.

our economy and job creation. He has a lot of experience of this and he

:40:04.:40:08.

is right to look at the jewdl impact this has an impact on small

:40:09.:40:15.

businesses. At the same timd this isn't a binary gain. Early

:40:16.:40:20.

conciliation is used by over 80 000 litigants in the first year and over

:40:21.:40:24.

80% of those participating reporter back they were satisfied with the

:40:25.:40:30.

outcome. I have met many constituents who say they whll not

:40:31.:40:33.

pursue their cases to the tribunal because of the introduction of fees.

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Doesn't it show that this acts as a deterrent? The honourable gdntleman

:40:41.:40:43.

makes an important point but you have also got a factor in the

:40:44.:40:47.

proportion of those that have been diverted into conciliation `nd often

:40:48.:40:51.

for resolving disputes, a DS is going to be the best outcomd in

:40:52.:40:55.

terms of resolving the disptte and the claimants who would othdrwise

:40:56.:40:57.

struggle to pay the cost. Questionable 14, Mr Speaker. As I

:40:58.:41:13.

have said, we are looking to report on this, and layered howl stccessful

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it has been with all of these objectives. Does this mean the

:41:21.:41:32.

Government has plans to repdal the Human Rights Act, has that been

:41:33.:41:40.

shelved? We absolutely resolute about revising the Human Rights Act

:41:41.:41:42.

with the British Bill of Rights We are working on those were bozos and

:41:43.:41:48.

she will not have do wait long to engage the substance rather than the

:41:49.:41:51.

scare stories in the media. Number 16.

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Thank you, Mr Speaker. The Government is concerned abott the

:42:00.:42:02.

number and cost of whiplash claims, in particular the impact on

:42:03.:42:11.

insurance claims. The consultation will be accompanied by a further

:42:12.:42:16.

impact assessment. How does the Minister responded to

:42:17.:42:26.

my constituents you have -- who have concerns, that they will be unjust

:42:27.:42:32.

and will not provide the robber compensation for those injured

:42:33.:42:35.

through negligence? The Govdrnment's propose reforms will ensure that the

:42:36.:42:41.

current cost of ?2 billion `nnually for whiplash claims should be

:42:42.:42:46.

reduced to ?1 billion for the insurance industry. It will also

:42:47.:42:49.

ensure that the average person's insurance premium should go down by

:42:50.:42:57.

up to ?50. In the UK, 80% of road traffic

:42:58.:43:01.

accidents generate the whiplash claim. In France, 3% of road traffic

:43:02.:43:13.

accidents do that. Insurancd premiums in the UK are 52% higher,

:43:14.:43:17.

meaning that many young people cannot afford insurance. I'l go full

:43:18.:43:25.

to my honourable friend for making that point. He is right, it is

:43:26.:43:29.

important to benefit all other constituents that we deal whth this,

:43:30.:43:34.

and the way to deal with it is with the reforms that we are proposing,

:43:35.:43:37.

for which there will be a consultation in the not too distant

:43:38.:43:39.

future. That will ensure th`t premiums do go down.

:43:40.:43:50.

I thank the rubble friend. -- my honourable friend. I

:43:51.:43:59.

understand they have plans to approach the stalking guidelines

:44:00.:44:02.

next year. The Justice Minister has re`d our

:44:03.:44:17.

paper on the stalking laws. Mr Speaker, what does my rubbld friend

:44:18.:44:21.

think can be done to assess the case for extending the maximum sdntence

:44:22.:44:25.

for a few very dangerous st`lkers who severely damage the livds of

:44:26.:44:29.

their victims? I thank my honourable friend. He made his point in a

:44:30.:44:32.

lyrical way this morning. Hd knows we are looking at a range of issues,

:44:33.:44:42.

to make sure we best protect the public. We had to bring it serious

:44:43.:44:53.

consideration. Topical questions, Tom Elliott. Number one, Mr Speaker.

:44:54.:45:01.

There were a number of disthnguished figures who were recognised in Her

:45:02.:45:06.

Majesty's birthday honours list at the weekend. One I took ple`sure in

:45:07.:45:10.

seeing recognise, L Wright Palmer, who is an ex-offender and now works

:45:11.:45:18.

helping young people avoid crime and make constructive use of thdir

:45:19.:45:25.

lives. -- Elroy Palmer. His testimony and experience and his

:45:26.:45:29.

example show what can be achieved if an individual in custody decides to

:45:30.:45:34.

change their lives. His lifd has changed for the better, Hadley has

:45:35.:45:40.

changed -- and he has changdd other's lives for that well.

:45:41.:45:50.

Could the minister in for md if there is any requirement of Her

:45:51.:46:00.

Majesty's government under human rights if there is a further inquest

:46:01.:46:07.

request by a family member of the deceased?

:46:08.:46:16.

Can I thank hymn for his qudstion. This was an issue that was of

:46:17.:46:20.

concern for him and many people in Northern Ireland. There must be an

:46:21.:46:23.

inquest where there may havd been state involvement in the de`th of

:46:24.:46:27.

any individual. In such casds, the coroner not only investigatds the

:46:28.:46:34.

wire when, but also the of the death. There may be an enquhry

:46:35.:46:40.

instead of an inquest if thd coroner's investigation cannot

:46:41.:46:47.

ascertain all of these mattdrs. Roughly 20% of prisoners have spent

:46:48.:46:53.

some time in care, and beathng some young care leavers in my

:46:54.:46:59.

constituency, prison is seen as an attractive proposition becatse it

:47:00.:47:02.

provides a roof over the he`d and a warm meal every day. What c`n we do

:47:03.:47:05.

to make sure they have bettdr options than prison? I thank my

:47:06.:47:11.

honourable friend for raising this important issue. I can tell her that

:47:12.:47:20.

some of the recommendations will touch on the criminal justice

:47:21.:47:24.

system. I can tell my honourable friend that the care and supervision

:47:25.:47:29.

of young offenders in custody is not good enough, and that is whx the

:47:30.:47:34.

Government has asked Charlid Taylor, a former Chief Executive of the

:47:35.:47:38.

National college teaching and leadership to lead a review of the

:47:39.:47:43.

whole youth justice system, and that final report will be out shortly. So

:47:44.:47:48.

far today, we have asked thd Secretary of State about thd risk

:47:49.:47:52.

Brexit poses to human rights, workers' rights, to the transfer

:47:53.:47:57.

directive and even to his Prison Reform Trust. We have had no answer

:47:58.:48:04.

from him on any of that. For those who want to protect your rights and

:48:05.:48:15.

-- human rights, etc, should vote to remain.

:48:16.:48:22.

It is not a view universallx shared by Labour voters. I respect the way

:48:23.:48:28.

he put his case. Speaking on behalf of the Government, and the

:48:29.:48:31.

Governor's position is clear on this matter. Some of us as ministers have

:48:32.:48:35.

been given leave to depart from that position for is that I have done so

:48:36.:48:40.

outside of this House, but H don't intent to dwell on the issud now.

:48:41.:48:45.

Let me have one more try, bdcause the Justice Secretary is right to

:48:46.:48:48.

recognise that human rights and MM shivered EU you are linked, -- our

:48:49.:48:55.

membership of the EU are linked but we think that is a good thing. It

:48:56.:49:00.

strengthens democracy and the role of Lott. His recipe for ble`k

:49:01.:49:07.

isolationism has him much into the drum of Nigel Farage, Donald Trump

:49:08.:49:16.

and so on. I understand why the honourable gentleman makes the case

:49:17.:49:21.

in the way he does, and he does with weight force and fluency as he often

:49:22.:49:24.

does. One thing I would say is that, whatever the decision of thd British

:49:25.:49:29.

people, I have confidence in them to insure that workers' rights and

:49:30.:49:33.

human rights, friendly corporation and the principles of decency and

:49:34.:49:39.

fair treatment for all be preserved, come what may. I have ultim`te

:49:40.:49:42.

confidence in the British pdople and in debt collector -- in thehr

:49:43.:49:49.

elected representative is to protect decent values. I would not suggest

:49:50.:49:54.

that anyone, whether advocating to remain or leave, as anything other

:49:55.:50:05.

-- once anything other than to protect UN rights.

:50:06.:50:14.

-- human rights. What services will be avail`ble for

:50:15.:50:18.

people with mental health problem is in the justice system?

:50:19.:50:22.

This is a serious point. He may know that mental health provision within

:50:23.:50:27.

prisons is provided by NHS Dngland, and local health boards in Wales. It

:50:28.:50:35.

is based on locally assessed need. We are keen to give governors

:50:36.:50:40.

increased freedoms and flexhbilities to respond to the needs of their

:50:41.:50:43.

populations, and we are acthvely talking to ministers in the

:50:44.:50:51.

Department of Health on this issue. Could the prisons minister simply

:50:52.:50:55.

confirm for me that despite his patients of recruitment, thdre are

:50:56.:50:59.

still 7000 fewer prison offhcers in post today than there were hn May

:51:00.:51:05.

2010? As a former distinguished prison

:51:06.:51:12.

minister himself, I do not deny what he is saying. Since the 1st of

:51:13.:51:18.

January 2015, we have appointed 2830 new prison officers, a net hncrease

:51:19.:51:24.

of 530. That is since the start of last year. I would also point out

:51:25.:51:31.

that in the average prison population in 2010... It has

:51:32.:51:42.

remained reasonably stable over the last six years.

:51:43.:51:50.

Hampshire's new lease and Crime Commissioner has put restor`tive

:51:51.:51:56.

justice at the heart of this policy were to ensure that the concern

:51:57.:52:04.

crime are not ignored. This is the first opportunity I've had to

:52:05.:52:10.

congratulate Michael on his election. I was conscious

:52:11.:52:15.

restorative justice was part of the campaign. It is an important part of

:52:16.:52:23.

the support for victims, but we have to make sure that they want to be

:52:24.:52:26.

part of that and it is not forced on them. Has the Minister got `ny plans

:52:27.:52:46.

to fund eligibility in employment tribunal 's?

:52:47.:52:51.

The review will be published shortly, and it is a fact that a lot

:52:52.:52:57.

of people who would have prdviously gone to implement tribunal 's are

:52:58.:53:01.

now going to be considered the siege, and we will certainlx be

:53:02.:53:07.

making sure that they are covered in the review.

:53:08.:53:14.

At justice questions in March, I raised concerns about the sxstematic

:53:15.:53:20.

failure of the SRA in regards to a case in my constituency. In Mike

:53:21.:53:23.

Spears in dealing with this case, it is clear that self-governing as are

:53:24.:53:28.

a needs reforming to improvd accountability and confidence. We

:53:29.:53:38.

need to work together to ensured the art funded properly and

:53:39.:53:41.

independently. The solicitors regulatory atthority

:53:42.:53:47.

is an independent body, and if she wishes to have a meeting, I am happy

:53:48.:53:53.

to do so. I wonder if the Secretary of State

:53:54.:53:59.

would be good enough to tell us in the wake of the atrocity in Orlando,

:54:00.:54:04.

what steps he is taking to lonitor and address homophobic hate crime

:54:05.:54:08.

against lesbian and gay people in this country?

:54:09.:54:13.

I think the honourable jet `nd for his question. Everyone in this House

:54:14.:54:19.

will have been utterly disgtsted by the atrocity perpetrated in Orlando.

:54:20.:54:29.

The hate in that killer's hdart was the prejudice, a homophobic

:54:30.:54:32.

prejudice which everyone in this House would want to denouncd. For

:54:33.:54:37.

that reason, I think he is right to say that we need to be vigilant I

:54:38.:54:41.

will pay tribute to everyond who attended the vigil last night to

:54:42.:54:48.

show our solidarity with thd victims, and I will pay to be to the

:54:49.:54:51.

Home Secretary, who has been leading work to insure that we can

:54:52.:55:00.

anticipate threats to the LGBT unity here, and we need to keep pdople

:55:01.:55:12.

say. It is a key part that people should be allowed to live and love

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as they choose. As a house, we stand resolutely behind the vital

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importance of recognising and celebrating difference in otr

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society. Earlier this month, my right

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honourable friend, the Lord Chancellor, expressed his

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frustration at the inabilitx of that country to be able to prevent the

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entry of foreign national criminals and even terror suspects into our

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country. Can my right honourable friend tell the House how things

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will change when we leave the European Union? I pick my honourable

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friend. It is well-known th`t the present tests for denial of entry in

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the EU is the must prove a genuine threat, that has created thd

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faculties over the years. Last week the Public Accounts

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Committee published a report and one of our conclusions was the criminal

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justice system is not good dnough at supporting victims and witndsses.

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Only 55% of victims would s`y they would go through the process again.

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Does the Secretary of State agree with our conclusion? Yes, I do. It

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has been the habit when gredted by the Public Accounts Committde, to

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attempt to suggest this is `n exercise in... Well, there have been

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criticisms in the past. This report is a welcome wake-up call. Ly

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honourable friend will bring forward a green paper in how we can better

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help victims and witnesses but there is so much that we need to do to

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improve the system. Having `lso attended the APPG for autisl's visit

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and have been inspired by what the governor and his team are doing can

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I ask that prison's Minister if you cannot cut the bill to improve the

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life chances of the 5% of the prison population you're estimated to

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suffer with autism? He has shown a serious interest in this issue and I

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was pleased he was able to go there yesterday. I am not sure whdther we

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need to legislate. We need to spread the good practice across thd prison

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system and I hope the reforl prison governors will be in the le`d in

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doing that. On the 19th of @pril, the secretary said there is a

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restraint to do the things he was elected to do. Providing it can only

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be a good thing, what did hd have in mind? My view is any ministdr in

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this house should be accountable to the people of this country further

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decisions that they make and when we have a situation where the Duropean

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Court of Justice can rule in a way in which there is no recourse or

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appeal, then our democracy hs undermined by that. Our democracy is

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pressure -- pressures and the European system is no friend of

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that. Next week the Parliamdntary Assembly of the Council of Durope

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will point a British judge to replace the judge on his retirement.

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Is that now an appropriate loment for us to recognise and thank him

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for the work he has taken ott? He makes a very important point. The

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European Convention on Human Rights was offered in large part bx a

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British lawyer, a former Lord Chancellor. The rights cont`ined in

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that convention, whatever one thinks of the operations of the cotrt, the

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rights contained very precious rights. Can I thank Judge M`honey

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for his expanding work and know there are some lawyers who stand

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ready to replace him and I `m sure the Council of Europe will give

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careful thought to insuring we have the right candidate in placd to

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emulate his work. Constituents including the families of D`vid

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steel and Mr and Mrs Metcalfe were dismayed that there will be an

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announcement on criminal drhving but that turned out not be the case

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When he give an assurance that the review will happen quickly `nd we

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will get changes to give better to victims of criminal driving? I know

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the honourable gentleman takes a close interest. Everything we do on

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sentencing is in need to drhve down reoffending. We will be looking at a

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range of proposals with those twin objectives in mind. We are looking

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at proposals around the potdntial for prisoners to earn their release

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from custody and looking at driving offences and we welcome any ideas

:00:32.:00:36.

along the way. The former Jtstice Secretary was warned legal `id cuts

:00:37.:00:41.

to domestic violence victims were and I quote grossly unfair `nd

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harsh. That is why the Court of Appeal shut them down. In rdsponse,

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the Government decided to do a survey with the very limited time

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frame for people to fill it in. Does the Government think that w`s a

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reasonable way to take this situation seriously? Wouldn't it be

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better to have a full and transparent consultation? I say very

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gently she is completely misinformed and wrong. Following that court

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judgment, what that Governmdnt had -- did was to increase the time

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period from two years to five years and we have allowed financi`l abuse

:01:19.:01:23.

to be taken into account. Wd are having those immediate changes to

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the system and are engaging with the relevant stakeholders so we can

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bring in a better system whhch will be satisfactory to all concdrned.

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The Home Office has refused to disclose data on sexual violence

:01:41.:01:45.

towards detainees at yours would immigration centre because the

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information could damage thd commercial interests of the

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companies that run the facility Can he give assurances that the Ministry

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of Justice policy will not put profit before people in prisons like

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this? The honourable lady is concerned about the fate of

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detainees but the Ministry of Justice and the Home Office work

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closely together to ensure that detainees are well looked after and

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it is my understanding that the reporting in the press may have

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inadvertently led to the honourable lady raising an issue which is not

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strictly the case. I know I will be working with the Home Officd to

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properly address the concerns. Urgent question, Mr Andy Burnham. To

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ask the Home Secretary to m`ke a statement on the incidence of

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violence in Marseille over the weekend involving England f`ns at

:02:45.:02:54.

the Euro 2016 football tournament. As I told the House yesterd`y, the

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trouble that occurred in Marseille involving England supporters was

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deeply disturbing. I made it clear that coordinated groups of Russian

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supporters were responsible for instigating a good deal of the worst

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of islands. You wafer within the last hour has announced that Russia

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is subject to a suspended disqualification from the

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tournament. This Government's priority is to work with thd French

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authorities to ensure the events of the weekend are not repeated. This

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morning I updated Cabinet colleagues on the full range of measurds that

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we are taking head of the m`tch between England and Wales on

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Thursday. It had already

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