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Hello and welcome to BBC Parliament's live coverage of the | :00:10. | :00:14. | |
House of Commons. In now, deep is the Minister will make a statement | :00:15. | :00:18. | |
on the Taylor review into modern working practices and the economy. | :00:19. | :00:23. | |
After that, MPs will hold an emergency debate on contaminated | :00:24. | :00:26. | |
blood products. Labour's Dina Johnson says new evidence means | :00:27. | :00:30. | |
there should be held Christel public enquiry into the affair. | :00:31. | :00:33. | |
More than 2000 deaths have been linked to these candle in which | :00:34. | :00:40. | |
others were infected with hepatitis C and HIV from imported blood | :00:41. | :00:45. | |
products in the 1970s and 80s. After that, MPs will debate the remaining | :00:46. | :00:49. | |
stages of the air travel organisers like the bill which of these | :00:50. | :00:53. | |
predictions for holiday-makers. Around four o'clock, we cross lies | :00:54. | :00:57. | |
to the committee rooms where the Brexit secretary will give evidence | :00:58. | :01:00. | |
to the Lords European Union committee. At that point, you can | :01:01. | :01:03. | |
continue watching the House of Commons live on our website. | :01:04. | :01:12. | |
Do join me for a round-up of the day in both Houses of Parliament at 11 | :01:13. | :01:17. | |
o'clock tonight. But first we have questions to the Foreign Secretary | :01:18. | :01:19. | |
Boris Johnson and his ministerial team. | :01:20. | :01:28. | |
Hors d'oeuvre. City of London open spaces bell, the chairman of ways | :01:29. | :01:41. | |
and means to revival mission. The question is on the order paper. I | :01:42. | :01:51. | |
think the ayes have it. Middle level Bill, the chairman of weather means | :01:52. | :01:54. | |
to move the revival mission. I beg to move. Objection. Objection taken. | :01:55. | :02:05. | |
Motion to be taken what Dave. Tuesday the 18th of July. Thank you. | :02:06. | :02:15. | |
Cemetery Bill, Lords. Move the revival mission. He is keen, very | :02:16. | :02:23. | |
keen today. I beg to move. The question is on the order paper. I | :02:24. | :02:32. | |
think the ayes have it. Chairman of ways and Means, to move, the motion | :02:33. | :02:41. | |
for an returns. Thank you. Not so much a nod as a magnificent bowel. | :02:42. | :02:52. | |
-- bow. Mr Nigel Huddleston. Number one, Mr Speaker. I should like to | :02:53. | :03:01. | |
begin by congratulating a rock's security forces for liberating Mosul | :03:02. | :03:06. | |
from the grass of Daesh, the flag of Iraq flies once more in the | :03:07. | :03:11. | |
country's 's second city and I pay tribute to the pilots who played a | :03:12. | :03:15. | |
vital role in supporting this operation, delivering more air | :03:16. | :03:17. | |
strikes than anyone else apart from the United States, I think the House | :03:18. | :03:21. | |
can take pride in what they have done. An illegal wildlife trade, I | :03:22. | :03:26. | |
think we can be pleased with the agreement be Prime Minister helped | :03:27. | :03:30. | |
to secure IBG 20 summit in Hamburg and I say to all honourable members, | :03:31. | :03:34. | |
this is not about cracking down on the trade in charismatic mega- fauna | :03:35. | :03:39. | |
but of course in cracking down on those who engaged not just in | :03:40. | :03:46. | |
illegal wildlife trafficking but in gun-running and people trafficking | :03:47. | :03:49. | |
and much other human misery. We can be proud of what we are doing. Nigel | :03:50. | :03:56. | |
Huddleston. I applaud the efforts of the Government is making in this | :03:57. | :03:59. | |
area and I am pleased that the UK will be hosting the illegal wildlife | :04:00. | :04:05. | |
trade conference in 2018. Can the Foreign Secretary confirm how much | :04:06. | :04:09. | |
the money the department has committed to tackling illegal | :04:10. | :04:11. | |
wildlife trade and how the money is being spent effectively? I can | :04:12. | :04:20. | |
confirm that we are increasing our contribution to ?26 million, another | :04:21. | :04:26. | |
?30 million to tackle illegal wildlife trade and I have myself | :04:27. | :04:30. | |
seen what UK finance projects are doing in ten year to crack down on | :04:31. | :04:36. | |
this while trade. Mr Speaker, thank you, I say to the | :04:37. | :04:40. | |
Foreign Secretary we have to give there is a much greater priority | :04:41. | :04:44. | |
than we do. Not only our Government but across the world. Every single | :04:45. | :04:48. | |
week it seems all mud it seems we see programmes on television, 55 | :04:49. | :04:53. | |
African elephants are poached every single day. It is simply not good | :04:54. | :04:58. | |
enough and the Foreign Secretary has to make this a priority. It is not | :04:59. | :05:02. | |
good enough for us to look at our TV screens until sorry about it, we | :05:03. | :05:05. | |
have to have a far greater commitment to do something about it. | :05:06. | :05:13. | |
I completely share the Passion of the right honourable member. I would | :05:14. | :05:16. | |
point out that the UK has been on the lead on all this for several | :05:17. | :05:21. | |
years now and we will be continuing to push this agenda, not just at the | :05:22. | :05:27. | |
T20 as the Prime Minister did, but of course Attar IW teed summit that | :05:28. | :05:30. | |
we are hosting next October in London. With my right honourable | :05:31. | :05:37. | |
friend tell us a little bit of the strategy he is taken to approach | :05:38. | :05:42. | |
this? The link between illegal what I've trade, smuggling, people | :05:43. | :05:45. | |
traffic like lawlessness and pilots in many countries is extremely real | :05:46. | :05:49. | |
and so addressing wildlife trade may seem hysterical but it is not at | :05:50. | :05:54. | |
all, it's about the stability of many nations that farm partners of | :05:55. | :05:59. | |
the United Kingdom. It is not only touches the heart of millions of | :06:00. | :06:08. | |
people in our country, it helps to cause increased human misery because | :06:09. | :06:12. | |
the same people are involved in trading drugs, in arms, in human | :06:13. | :06:17. | |
trafficking, worth up to ?30 billion a year and we are playing a major | :06:18. | :06:23. | |
part in frustrating that trade. Thank you, Mr Speaker. There is | :06:24. | :06:28. | |
increasing evidence that the UK's legal ivory market has been used as | :06:29. | :06:33. | |
described for an illegal trade. What about them all-out ban on the ivory | :06:34. | :06:39. | |
trade? The honourable gentleman we know we have a commitment in this | :06:40. | :06:44. | |
Government to all-out ban on the sale of ivory in this country and | :06:45. | :06:47. | |
that is what we intend to pursue. Rachel McLean. Question number two, | :06:48. | :06:55. | |
Mr Speaker. With your permission, I will answer questions to answer for | :06:56. | :07:01. | |
together. The Foreign Office continues to support that... 14. The | :07:02. | :07:15. | |
give and -- forgive me. My department, my apologies. My | :07:16. | :07:19. | |
department indeed used to support EU exit negotiations and the Government | :07:20. | :07:23. | |
works to strengthen our relations with partners worldwide. As a | :07:24. | :07:28. | |
champion of free trade, we will continue to seize the opportunities | :07:29. | :07:32. | |
afforded by Brexit I guarantee our long-term global prosperity. Rachel | :07:33. | :07:39. | |
McLean. Thank you, Mr Speaker. I thank my right honourable friend for | :07:40. | :07:43. | |
this answer. Businesses in my constituency are looking to make the | :07:44. | :07:47. | |
most of the opportunities of Brexit provides for them. But can my right | :07:48. | :07:50. | |
honourable friend ensure me that he will work closely with the | :07:51. | :07:54. | |
Department of trade, the Department for exiting the EU to ensure | :07:55. | :07:58. | |
businesses that are already trading with the single market are given | :07:59. | :08:03. | |
support to help build new export markets for their goods and services | :08:04. | :08:06. | |
around the world to ensure their continued prosperity? | :08:07. | :08:12. | |
Absolutely. I congratulate my honourable friend on what I believe | :08:13. | :08:16. | |
is her first question in this chamber and I think it is a very | :08:17. | :08:20. | |
good one and she can reassure her constituents that, of course, not | :08:21. | :08:26. | |
only will the excellent companies in her constituency be able to continue | :08:27. | :08:33. | |
to enjoy free trade with the rest of the European Union, with the EU 27, | :08:34. | :08:37. | |
but of course they will have the additional opportunity afforded by | :08:38. | :08:40. | |
the new free trade deals that we will be able to strike with | :08:41. | :08:44. | |
countries around the world. I am pleased to say that they were | :08:45. | :08:47. | |
queueing up to make that point to the Prime Minister IBG 20 in | :08:48. | :08:54. | |
Hamburg. Today is the feast Day of Saint Benedict, the agency of | :08:55. | :09:02. | |
Europe. He famously warned against against the others. Will my right | :09:03. | :09:06. | |
honourable friend please proclaim that we do not want any murmuring | :09:07. | :09:11. | |
from anybody against our vision of an open, free trade in Europe, the | :09:12. | :09:15. | |
best possible free-trade deal, leading the world towards free trade | :09:16. | :09:22. | |
and on tour prosperity? I think my right honourable friend makes an | :09:23. | :09:26. | |
excellent point. Members on both sides of this House know very well, | :09:27. | :09:32. | |
85% of us were elected on a very clear manifesto to come out of the | :09:33. | :09:36. | |
European Union, to come out of the single market and as the leader of | :09:37. | :09:39. | |
the Labour Party has said to come out of the customs union as well. | :09:40. | :09:43. | |
Nothing could be clearer than that and I think what the people of this | :09:44. | :09:47. | |
country want us to do is to get on and deliver a great Brexit and with | :09:48. | :09:52. | |
the support of members opposite, I have no doubt that we can achieve | :09:53. | :10:01. | |
it. Ben Bradshaw. A transition period of three years during which | :10:02. | :10:04. | |
we will remain under the jury system at the ECJ. Neither the Secretary of | :10:05. | :10:15. | |
State has said any such thing. Cue him being called second, I am not | :10:16. | :10:20. | |
sure he minds. Hilary Benn. In March, the Foreign Secretary said | :10:21. | :10:27. | |
leaving the EU with no deal would be perfectly OK. However, last month | :10:28. | :10:31. | |
the Chancellor of the Exchequer said that would be a very, very bad | :10:32. | :10:37. | |
outcome for Britain. Since the two positions are clearly completely | :10:38. | :10:40. | |
contradictory, who should the British public believe? I think what | :10:41. | :10:44. | |
the British public can take from both the Chancellor and myself and | :10:45. | :10:48. | |
indeed from the vast majority of Labour members opposite, as I | :10:49. | :10:52. | |
understand, their position, that we all want to get on and do the deal | :10:53. | :10:57. | |
and do the best deal possible and to leave the EU. Mr John Barron. The | :10:58. | :11:05. | |
Australian Government which negotiated free-trade deals with | :11:06. | :11:12. | |
China, Japan and South Korea in very short order by focusing on trade | :11:13. | :11:15. | |
itself, rather getting bogged down in disputes rather to standings and | :11:16. | :11:20. | |
legalities and regulations. I agree very much with what my right | :11:21. | :11:24. | |
honourable friend has said and I think with a bit of gumption and a | :11:25. | :11:29. | |
bit of positive energy, there is no limit to what we can achieve and we | :11:30. | :11:32. | |
should get on and do it and of course we cannot ink in the | :11:33. | :11:37. | |
free-trade deals now but we can certainly pencil in the outline. | :11:38. | :11:45. | |
Yesterday, the Prime Minister 's spokesman was reported as saying the | :11:46. | :11:49. | |
transition rules could involve the European Court of Justice for a | :11:50. | :11:53. | |
limited time, that is a matter for negotiation. That was the quake that | :11:54. | :11:57. | |
was reported. Can the Foreign Secretary confirmed this change in | :11:58. | :12:00. | |
Government policy and set out the rationale behind it? We are in the | :12:01. | :12:07. | |
negotiation whose objective is to out from under the penumbra of the | :12:08. | :12:13. | |
European Court of Justice outside the EU legal order and that is what | :12:14. | :12:14. | |
we will achieve. Since we joined the Common Market | :12:15. | :12:24. | |
until the date we leave, we will have given the EU a total of ?209 | :12:25. | :12:34. | |
billion. Will the Foreign Secretary make it clear that if they want a | :12:35. | :12:39. | |
penny more, they can go and whistle? I am sure my honourable friend the's | :12:40. | :12:43. | |
words will have broke like a thunderclap over Brussels and they | :12:44. | :12:47. | |
will pay attention to what he has said, and he makes a very valid | :12:48. | :12:55. | |
point. I think these sermons I have seen that they proposed to demand | :12:56. | :12:58. | |
from this country seem to me at extortionate, and I think to go | :12:59. | :13:03. | |
whistle is an appropriate expression. Will the Secretary of | :13:04. | :13:09. | |
State ensure in the spirit of cooperation the final Brexit deal is | :13:10. | :13:14. | |
endorsed by the devolved parliaments before it assigned? About as the | :13:15. | :13:17. | |
honourable gentleman knows very well, we work closely with the | :13:18. | :13:23. | |
ministerial committee to bring in the devolved administrations and to | :13:24. | :13:26. | |
make sure the great deal we are going to get has their endorsement | :13:27. | :13:33. | |
and their approval. Further to the question from the right honourable | :13:34. | :13:38. | |
gentleman for Leeds Central, did my right honourable friend he had a | :13:39. | :13:41. | |
report on the today programme this morning that other European leaders | :13:42. | :13:44. | |
were making it clear that they would not accept a deal on any terms, does | :13:45. | :13:49. | |
he share my view that what is sauce for the goose is sauce for the | :13:50. | :13:54. | |
gander? May I congratulate my honourable friend on his sixth | :13:55. | :14:03. | |
child? Many congratulations on that. He makes a good point about the | :14:04. | :14:07. | |
negotiation stance of our friends and partners across the Channel. | :14:08. | :14:12. | |
They do sound at the moment they are pretty hard over, as we see in the | :14:13. | :14:16. | |
Foreign Office, but I have no doubt in the fullness of time, a | :14:17. | :14:21. | |
suddenness will descend and a willingness to compromise, because a | :14:22. | :14:24. | |
great Brexit deal, a grapefruit trade deal, a deep and special | :14:25. | :14:31. | |
partnership is in our interest -- great deal. Given the given the | :14:32. | :14:35. | |
prime Mr's appeal to these benches to help her out, where does the | :14:36. | :14:39. | |
Foreign Secretary field there are areas for compromise? As I said, I | :14:40. | :14:45. | |
think the striking thing about this debate is how much unanimity there | :14:46. | :14:53. | |
is between the two sides of the chamber on the fundamental | :14:54. | :14:59. | |
questions. I've been very struck by the right honourable gentleman, the | :15:00. | :15:02. | |
leader of the Labour Party, he seems to be very much on all fours with | :15:03. | :15:07. | |
the objectives of the Brexit... I don't wish... He very much agrees | :15:08. | :15:14. | |
with the position we are taken, they hope to see him in the lobbies with | :15:15. | :15:22. | |
us. I hate to disagree with the Foreign Secretary. While he is right | :15:23. | :15:25. | |
to say the Leader of the Opposition is fully behind the government, and | :15:26. | :15:30. | |
these benches are fully behind the Prime Minister, Foreign Secretary, | :15:31. | :15:34. | |
it is the opposition that is hopelessly split on this issue. Is | :15:35. | :15:39. | |
that not hindering the government's negotiating position? It is not for | :15:40. | :15:46. | |
me to comments on the ability of the Labour leader to control his party, | :15:47. | :15:52. | |
I take it they are all following Labour policy, which is to come out | :15:53. | :15:56. | |
of the EU, come out of the single market. If they aren't, they can | :15:57. | :16:01. | |
stand up now and buy their questions portray their position. They are | :16:02. | :16:06. | |
supporting the will of the British people as expressed last year. If | :16:07. | :16:09. | |
they wish to dissent from that, now is the time. Can I start by | :16:10. | :16:17. | |
welcoming the new Foreign Office front bench in their positions? Back | :16:18. | :16:22. | |
in July last year, I wrongly accused them of being an all-male team. If | :16:23. | :16:28. | |
only I'd waited a year. I would have been correct. Mr Speaker, talking of | :16:29. | :16:33. | |
female Tory MPs, the member of the Newton Abbot use a disgusting racist | :16:34. | :16:38. | |
phrase in her Commons at the East India club. I hope the Foreign | :16:39. | :16:41. | |
Secretary will join me in condemning them. I hope you will agree | :16:42. | :16:46. | |
offensive language deriving from the era of American slavery has no place | :16:47. | :16:53. | |
in modern society. The member of Dean Abed was trying to ask a valid | :16:54. | :16:57. | |
question. A question about what would happen if Britain fails to | :16:58. | :17:02. | |
reach a deal -- Newton Abbot. Can I asked the Foreign Secretary to | :17:03. | :17:05. | |
answer that question today? Can he explain what that no deal option | :17:06. | :17:11. | |
would mean to the people and businesses of Great Britain? As I've | :17:12. | :17:15. | |
said before, I think the chances of such an outcome of vanishingly | :17:16. | :17:20. | |
unlikely, since it is manifestly in the interests of both sides of the | :17:21. | :17:23. | |
Channel to get a great free trade deal and new special partnership | :17:24. | :17:27. | |
between us and the European Union, and that is what we will achieve. | :17:28. | :17:34. | |
Unfortunately, it leaves us in on the wiser, it is baffling, it is the | :17:35. | :17:41. | |
Prime Minister, at least for now, he decided to put the deal of the no | :17:42. | :17:45. | |
deal option on the table. She couldn't stop using the phrase | :17:46. | :17:48. | |
Junior election campaign, and now are me ask what it means in | :17:49. | :17:51. | |
practice, they refuse to tell us. The Foreign Office, the Foreign | :17:52. | :17:57. | |
Affairs Committee said in December, I quote, the government should | :17:58. | :18:01. | |
produce a new deal plan identifying the likely consequences, and making | :18:02. | :18:04. | |
proposals to mitigate potential risks. Anything else would be a | :18:05. | :18:09. | |
dereliction of duty. We cannot have a repeat... Order. I apologise the | :18:10. | :18:16. | |
interesting here, but he needs to bring herself a single sentence, | :18:17. | :18:19. | |
because there are lots of colleagues who want to take place. Is normally | :18:20. | :18:25. | |
succinct. Return to form. Given a plan to no deal would be worse than | :18:26. | :18:30. | |
that dereliction of duty, can I asked the Foreign Secretary to spell | :18:31. | :18:33. | |
out what no deal would mean, can you reassure as it is not, at a very | :18:34. | :18:40. | |
least he has a private plan to manage the risk? There is no plan | :18:41. | :18:47. | |
because we will get a great deal. Just for the sake of example and | :18:48. | :18:52. | |
alliteration, I would remind the honourable lady that there was a | :18:53. | :18:57. | |
time, I old enough to remember it, when Britain was not in what we call | :18:58. | :19:07. | |
the Common Market. Foreign officials are working closely with colleagues | :19:08. | :19:11. | |
to prepare for the 400th anniversary, nine please Oliver | :19:12. | :19:16. | |
Colville, the former member for Plymouth, Sutton and Devonport, has | :19:17. | :19:20. | |
been appointed chair by the Prime Minister, and they will make the | :19:21. | :19:22. | |
most of the opportunity to commemorate the legacy of the | :19:23. | :19:25. | |
pilgrims and the special relationship. Well, Mrs Biggar, I | :19:26. | :19:32. | |
thought the Prime Minister wanted help from the opposition bench -- Mr | :19:33. | :19:38. | |
Speaker. I'm here available. The re-elected co-chair of the pilgrims | :19:39. | :19:46. | |
group. I was prepared to offer my services to take on this role rather | :19:47. | :19:54. | |
than on parliamentarians. Nevertheless, can the good people | :19:55. | :20:01. | |
expect support from this government as promised by George Osborne to | :20:02. | :20:05. | |
properly celebrate the fact that the pilgrims and their legacy, including | :20:06. | :20:10. | |
the modern United States, originates in battered hall? At least eating | :20:11. | :20:18. | |
claim that it has strong coastal links, but we do welcome already his | :20:19. | :20:22. | |
contribution to the House by the comments he made on the 9th of | :20:23. | :20:27. | |
March, reminding us of the anniversary, it will be an historic | :20:28. | :20:31. | |
opportunity for us to celebrate. Across the sows, we will think of | :20:32. | :20:34. | |
every possible way in which we can do so to best effect. The importance | :20:35. | :20:39. | |
of the anniversary can hardly be overstated. Would it not be a more | :20:40. | :20:47. | |
suitable dates for a state visit from the president of the United | :20:48. | :20:51. | |
States to have it in 2020 to mark this, rather than in the months to | :20:52. | :20:57. | |
come? I note the suggestion, but that matter is already in train, and | :20:58. | :21:01. | |
the visit offered to the president stands. I thank my right honourable | :21:02. | :21:13. | |
friend because the UK is in the lead on this issue helping Ukraine to | :21:14. | :21:17. | |
make the vital reforms that need to do and to continue on a cracking | :21:18. | :21:21. | |
down on corruption, which is so important if we are to encourage a | :21:22. | :21:27. | |
long-term and continued investment in a successful Ukraine. Can I | :21:28. | :21:31. | |
congratulate my right honourable friend on the organisation last week | :21:32. | :21:35. | |
of the Ukraine reform conference in London? It demonstrates that Britain | :21:36. | :21:41. | |
will continue to play a leading role on the world stage. But can he | :21:42. | :21:49. | |
confirm that whilst Ukraine still faces major challenges, progress is | :21:50. | :21:53. | |
being made in areas like tackling corruption, and canny see what more | :21:54. | :21:59. | |
we can do to assist them? May I get the ball back over the net by | :22:00. | :22:02. | |
congratulating my right honourable friend on the coming chair on the | :22:03. | :22:08. | |
Ukraine all-party group? We all in this House have a clear interest in | :22:09. | :22:12. | |
a strong and successful Ukraine, not why we've invested another 33 | :22:13. | :22:18. | |
million in helping Ukrainians to tackle the problems of governance. | :22:19. | :22:21. | |
The House should be in no doubt about what is going on in Ukraine. | :22:22. | :22:28. | |
This is an arm wrestle, if you like, between two value systems come our | :22:29. | :22:32. | |
way of looking at the world and the Russian way, and it is vital for our | :22:33. | :22:38. | |
continent and vital for this country that Alloway prevails, and we're | :22:39. | :22:41. | |
British help, I believe it is prevailing and will prevail. So far | :22:42. | :22:53. | |
there has in a single sign of all the efforts Britain has rightly made | :22:54. | :22:57. | |
in relation to Ukraine, paying dividends in terms of Russia | :22:58. | :22:59. | |
stopping its corrupt meddling in that country. He is right the fault | :23:00. | :23:08. | |
lies with Russia, they annexed Crimea, they drive the problem in | :23:09. | :23:13. | |
the Donbas region. What you are seeing from the UK, and by the way, | :23:14. | :23:19. | |
we are contributing the efforts to stave off that Russian military | :23:20. | :23:22. | |
meddling with a non-lethal equipment that we've agreed to send to | :23:23. | :23:30. | |
Ukraine. But more importantly, we are engaging, held the Ukrainians to | :23:31. | :23:34. | |
sort out their domestic, political scene, to crack down on Russia. To | :23:35. | :23:38. | |
be fair to Ukrainians, they aren't only seeing 4% growth, depending on | :23:39. | :23:44. | |
the figures you believe, but they have made more progress in cracking | :23:45. | :23:48. | |
down on corruption in the last three years than in the last 25 years. A | :23:49. | :23:51. | |
very different country is being born. Our bilateral relationship is | :23:52. | :24:00. | |
strong because it is a deep bond of friendship rooted in our shared | :24:01. | :24:03. | |
histories and common values. We look forward to strengthening those ties | :24:04. | :24:07. | |
over the coming years and have agreed to hold regular strategic | :24:08. | :24:11. | |
talks to maximise the full potential of this important bilateral | :24:12. | :24:17. | |
relationship. I thank the Minister that response. Canadian investment | :24:18. | :24:21. | |
is important and my consistency and across the UK. As we move forward in | :24:22. | :24:26. | |
leaving the EU, seeking a free-trade deal with Canada, however | :24:27. | :24:29. | |
relationship will be more important, as is specifically our relationship | :24:30. | :24:35. | |
with the provincial governments. Do we have the network in place across | :24:36. | :24:38. | |
Canada to make sure we are making the best of those relationships? On | :24:39. | :24:44. | |
behalf the House, I express our sympathy to all those in British | :24:45. | :24:48. | |
Columbia who been affected by the damaging wildfires in that province. | :24:49. | :24:54. | |
Our Consulate general in Calgary, Montreal, Toronto and Vancouver do | :24:55. | :24:57. | |
work for a provincial governments to increase bilateral trade, | :24:58. | :25:02. | |
particularly in the infrastructure sector. We are working across all | :25:03. | :25:06. | |
levels of the Canadian government to ensure British companies can take | :25:07. | :25:09. | |
full advantage of the opportunities offered by the Canada EU, rent of | :25:10. | :25:15. | |
economic and trade agreement. Is he not aware, I have strong family | :25:16. | :25:22. | |
relationships and Canada, is he not aware that senior diplomats in | :25:23. | :25:27. | |
Canada are absolutely aghast at the way in which this government is | :25:28. | :25:32. | |
handling our withdrawal from Europe and its impact on world trade? They | :25:33. | :25:38. | |
believe the swashbuckling sector ministers are not the right people. | :25:39. | :25:44. | |
I have to say, positive energy and gumption won't give us a good deal | :25:45. | :25:49. | |
in Europe. We need people who have a eye for detail, this Foreign | :25:50. | :25:55. | |
Secretary has no idea about detail! I simply don't recognise the | :25:56. | :25:57. | |
analysis right honourable gentleman has offered the House on any matter | :25:58. | :26:02. | |
he's just mention. May I say, I think I were opportunities for | :26:03. | :26:08. | |
future trade with Canada will be enormous once we've left the | :26:09. | :26:15. | |
European Union. I thank the Minister, 2017 marks the 150th | :26:16. | :26:20. | |
anniversary of the Canadian Confederation, and our two nations | :26:21. | :26:24. | |
face together some of the most difficult challenges in our history | :26:25. | :26:28. | |
in that period. Will he agree that actually with those relationships, | :26:29. | :26:31. | |
provides a great relationship to build on and reject the nonsense we | :26:32. | :26:36. | |
just heard? Yes, I agree emphatically. We also offer our | :26:37. | :26:42. | |
congratulations to Canada on the anniversary of Canadian | :26:43. | :26:45. | |
Confederation. We are please the Prince of Wales and the Duchess of | :26:46. | :26:49. | |
Cornwall were able to join celebrations in Ottawa to mark the | :26:50. | :26:53. | |
celebration. On a practical basis, the Foreign Secretary met Foreign | :26:54. | :26:57. | |
Minister last week and agreed to hold talks to ensure we can maximise | :26:58. | :27:02. | |
the full potential of this important and close by that relationship way | :27:03. | :27:06. | |
beyond the expectations of the right honourable gentleman opposite. | :27:07. | :27:15. | |
Thank you, Mr Speaker. We have a strong and wide-ranging relationship | :27:16. | :27:22. | |
with the Philippines on prosperity, education and security issue. | :27:23. | :27:24. | |
Ministerial visits to the Philippines and annual high-level | :27:25. | :27:28. | |
talks between officials help a graph that corporation. Most recently, my | :27:29. | :27:33. | |
right honourable friend was there as recently as last December and this | :27:34. | :27:37. | |
enables us to discuss concerns about human rights was pursuing closer | :27:38. | :27:44. | |
diplomatic and trade links. Mr Speaker, my skin constituency has | :27:45. | :27:52. | |
been held in Philippines since 2008. Sentence on to produce foreign | :27:53. | :27:58. | |
employment defence. They have failed to acknowledge a clemency request | :27:59. | :28:02. | |
despite his poor health. Concerns about the safety of the institution | :28:03. | :28:05. | |
and his parents worried they will not see him again. Well my | :28:06. | :28:07. | |
honourable friend set out what is being done to support his family's | :28:08. | :28:14. | |
efforts to bring him home? May I thank for his work over the | :28:15. | :28:20. | |
many years on behalf of Mr Taylor's parents in North Swindon. We have | :28:21. | :28:24. | |
been providing ongoing well for support to Kevin Taylor since his | :28:25. | :28:28. | |
arrest almost ten years ago. Most recently a visit in prison and we | :28:29. | :28:32. | |
have liaised with his parents only yesterday. Our consulates are bought | :28:33. | :28:39. | |
as extended to delivering funds and vitamins, medical points after Mr | :28:40. | :28:42. | |
Taylor brought his health concerns to our attention. A clemency request | :28:43. | :28:46. | |
was made as recently as 2015 that I reassure my honourable friend we | :28:47. | :28:49. | |
will do our level best to continue this work and I will be in touch | :28:50. | :28:54. | |
without apartment to ask to redouble his efforts in the days ahead. Thank | :28:55. | :29:03. | |
you, Mr Speaker. In the year since the president of Philippines took | :29:04. | :29:06. | |
ASBOs, 13,000 people have been killed. He has threatened to extend | :29:07. | :29:11. | |
martial law across the entire country and last week, he said he | :29:12. | :29:16. | |
would eat the livers of terrorists with salt and vinegar. But the | :29:17. | :29:21. | |
Secretary of State for International Development claims that Britain has | :29:22. | :29:25. | |
shared values with the president. Could the Minister tell the House | :29:26. | :29:28. | |
which values we share with the President? The honourable lady will | :29:29. | :29:33. | |
recognise the shared values in relation to international trade and | :29:34. | :29:38. | |
we need to recognise that. Indeed with all dedication, it is not an | :29:39. | :29:42. | |
issue of ditching anything else, I, like the honourable lady, concerned | :29:43. | :29:45. | |
about the high death toll in the war on illegal drugs has come to a head | :29:46. | :29:52. | |
in his role. We have been urging much more thorough independent | :29:53. | :29:54. | |
instigation at all violent deaths that have taken place I would say | :29:55. | :29:59. | |
that from our perspective, we have repeatedly and will continue to | :30:00. | :30:03. | |
raise human rights concerns with the administration and I will be doing | :30:04. | :30:06. | |
so with Manila and I have at some to be visiting to make light of the | :30:07. | :30:17. | |
Kaci made. -- the case she has made. Pay tribute to the campaigns on the | :30:18. | :30:23. | |
subject, our policy in relationship to Zimbabwe kiddies used to be to | :30:24. | :30:27. | |
balance out the best days of the horrifying record of Bieber Gabi | :30:28. | :30:35. | |
regime -- Mugabe and the people have suffered terribly over the last 40 | :30:36. | :30:39. | |
years. Can I welcome the honourable member to his position and wish him | :30:40. | :30:47. | |
every success in it? $53 million was spent by Mugabe on private travel | :30:48. | :30:51. | |
overseas last year, the same time the United Kingdom paying | :30:52. | :30:55. | |
proportionally more in UK aid to that country than any other country | :30:56. | :30:59. | |
in Africa. Does he think that perhaps with the election is coming | :31:00. | :31:04. | |
next year and Mugabe refusing to permit the 20 13th Constitution, now | :31:05. | :31:08. | |
is the time to put some of that money into helping voter education | :31:09. | :31:17. | |
in those rural areas can show? Thank you, Mr Speaker. The answer is that | :31:18. | :31:21. | |
I agree. We are trying to balance a very difficult thing which is the | :31:22. | :31:25. | |
terrible performance of the Mugabe regime with a country where people | :31:26. | :31:28. | |
have been dying of cholera, suffering extreme him a humour tarry | :31:29. | :31:34. | |
in need. Focusing on free and fair elections is one of the first things | :31:35. | :31:40. | |
we can do in a country like Zimbabwe. The policy of incremental | :31:41. | :31:46. | |
engagement with Zimbabwe is the be best, sometimes an unpalatable best | :31:47. | :31:50. | |
policy. But with the Minister consider in the near term actually | :31:51. | :31:54. | |
visiting Zimbabwe, which would be a great step forward and prospered the | :31:55. | :31:58. | |
UK in a better position for relationships longer term? The | :31:59. | :32:05. | |
honourable member has huge expertise is African Minister. The decision on | :32:06. | :32:12. | |
whether or not I as a minister were to visit Zimbabwe depends a great | :32:13. | :32:15. | |
deal on the genuine commitment to the Zimbabwe Government towards | :32:16. | :32:18. | |
reform and I will be guided by the ambassador of the country as to when | :32:19. | :32:21. | |
such a visit would be necessary and possible. | :32:22. | :32:27. | |
Number eight. We are in costs contact with our | :32:28. | :32:30. | |
international counterparts, including most recently at the | :32:31. | :32:34. | |
organisation of American States summit last month. I issued a very | :32:35. | :32:38. | |
strong statement on the 6th of July, utterly condemning the 5th of July | :32:39. | :32:42. | |
attack on Venezuela's national assembly and its elected members and | :32:43. | :32:46. | |
calling for the Venezuelan Government to uphold the | :32:47. | :32:49. | |
Constitution and show respect for democratic institutions and the | :32:50. | :32:52. | |
statement was echoed by many political colleagues across the | :32:53. | :32:57. | |
world mark. Thank you, Mr Speaker. The Leader of | :32:58. | :33:01. | |
the Opposition described the regime in Venezuela is offering an | :33:02. | :33:05. | |
alternative agenda from which we could learn. The alternative agenda | :33:06. | :33:13. | |
has seen the economy collapse, poverty increase, dozens of people, | :33:14. | :33:17. | |
scores of people killed in civil unrest and now an attempt to | :33:18. | :33:22. | |
undermine both the elected Congress and the independent Attorney | :33:23. | :33:24. | |
General. Will my right honourable friend confirm that Her Majesty's | :33:25. | :33:28. | |
Government strongly condemns the attempt by the regime to rewrite the | :33:29. | :33:34. | |
constitution and rock out democracy? The Leader of the Opposition does | :33:35. | :33:39. | |
seem to be a great fan of the Venezuelan Government. A passable | :33:40. | :33:43. | |
impression himself as Fidel Castro won sometimes things. What is | :33:44. | :33:47. | |
happening to the Venezuelan economy gives us a very clear indication of | :33:48. | :33:51. | |
what would happen to the UK economy if ever the right honourable | :33:52. | :33:56. | |
gentleman were Prime Minister. Mr Speaker, what practical steps | :33:57. | :34:00. | |
have been taken to deal with famine on the border between Venezuela and | :34:01. | :34:04. | |
Colombia by the British Government? There are no easy such attempts. We | :34:05. | :34:08. | |
do not have a bilateral programme that are in touch with the United | :34:09. | :34:11. | |
Nations. But the very question of the honourable lady does illustrate | :34:12. | :34:16. | |
the extent to which the Venezuelan Government has driven their own | :34:17. | :34:20. | |
people to poverty, running very short of some of the most basic | :34:21. | :34:25. | |
goods on which they have to live. Number nine, Mr Speaker. | :34:26. | :34:31. | |
Mr Speaker. We readily raise these issues with Israel, calling for a | :34:32. | :34:37. | |
reversal of the policy of settlement expansion. I reiterated that in the | :34:38. | :34:42. | |
House of Commons last week but also recently both the Foreign Secretary | :34:43. | :34:44. | |
and myself have made statements strongly condemning proposals the | :34:45. | :34:48. | |
new settlement expansion in both the West Bank and East Jerusalem. | :34:49. | :34:56. | |
Mr Speaker, only last week the right-wing Israeli Government | :34:57. | :34:58. | |
announced a further expansion of the illegal settlement programme so it | :34:59. | :35:03. | |
is clear that whatever action the British Government is taking, it is | :35:04. | :35:07. | |
not working. It is not time Her Majesty's Government to more | :35:08. | :35:14. | |
response to this problem? Ensuring the proper labelling of all | :35:15. | :35:18. | |
importing goods so that they are designated as coming from an | :35:19. | :35:22. | |
illegally occupied Palestinian territory. | :35:23. | :35:25. | |
This is a long and difficult process, as the honourable gentleman | :35:26. | :35:30. | |
rightly dies. We have a policy in relation to labelling and continued | :35:31. | :35:33. | |
conversations will go on with the state of Israel in relation to, as | :35:34. | :35:36. | |
last week, the suggestion that the edge of the new housing units being | :35:37. | :35:42. | |
built and East Jerusalem. But it is a complex process, the United | :35:43. | :35:45. | |
Kingdom does not believe in boycotts of sanctions, but clear labelling | :35:46. | :35:48. | |
has been that the sometimes consumers can take their choice. | :35:49. | :35:53. | |
We have contributed to a number of structures, EU structures that have | :35:54. | :35:57. | |
been demolished. Will he asked the Government of Israel for our money | :35:58. | :36:04. | |
back? Mr Speaker, I think my right honourable friend is referring to | :36:05. | :36:09. | |
some work done by the EU. The EU has not sought compensation from the | :36:10. | :36:11. | |
state of Israel in relation to this and no decision has been taken on | :36:12. | :36:17. | |
any further action. Settlements are a barrier but they | :36:18. | :36:20. | |
are far from the only barrier to peace. The building blocks for the | :36:21. | :36:23. | |
peace process is our trade and economic development in the West | :36:24. | :36:31. | |
Bank and supports the coexistent projects to get them working | :36:32. | :36:35. | |
together. Funding for which, I'm afraid, this Government has stopped. | :36:36. | :36:38. | |
Can I asked the minister whether he will reinstate funding to the | :36:39. | :36:43. | |
coexistent projects to build the priest projects? The honourable | :36:44. | :36:45. | |
gentleman understands this issue extremely well and a extreme | :36:46. | :36:52. | |
bill-mac -- I agree there are building blocks and settlements are | :36:53. | :36:56. | |
by far from the only barrier in relations to that. Trade and | :36:57. | :37:00. | |
investment remains very important. We will be looking further out what | :37:01. | :37:05. | |
prospects are for any new initiatives. I'm aware of the | :37:06. | :37:08. | |
coexistent projects that he mentions and certainly I will be having a | :37:09. | :37:11. | |
look about wearing my joint responsibilities. | :37:12. | :37:18. | |
Mr Speaker, we are glad to see the Mr back working on this issue. But | :37:19. | :37:22. | |
this is the second time in the space of a week when the Foreign Secretary | :37:23. | :37:26. | |
has declined to speak about middle east and evolve the job to him | :37:27. | :37:33. | |
instead. And that follows his failure even to mention Israel or | :37:34. | :37:37. | |
Palestine in the Tory election manifesto. So I simply ask the | :37:38. | :37:41. | |
Minister, when are we going to hear the Foreign Secretary stand up and | :37:42. | :37:43. | |
condemn these new illegal settlements? The other day, this | :37:44. | :37:51. | |
week. I did it this week. Can I find the honourable lady for her warm | :37:52. | :37:55. | |
welcome and enjoy being back in this role, no matter what is broken at me | :37:56. | :37:59. | |
in response to it. Can I say the Foreign Secretary strongly condemned | :38:00. | :38:05. | |
the proposals that were announced at the West Bank quite recently. But I | :38:06. | :38:08. | |
like to feel he has confidence in his Minister for the Middle East. As | :38:09. | :38:15. | |
he has confidence in his soul missed a team to answer appropriate | :38:16. | :38:18. | |
questions but I have never known him to be shy of answering a question | :38:19. | :38:24. | |
when necessary. Question Time, Mr Speaker. Thank you, Mr Speaker. | :38:25. | :38:32. | |
United Kingdom was instrumental, Mr Speaker, in securing the Paris | :38:33. | :38:36. | |
agreement on climate change. We are helping other countries to meet | :38:37. | :38:39. | |
their targets and we are confident that we will be able to meet our own | :38:40. | :38:44. | |
ground-breaking target of reducing emissions by 18% by 2050. I thank | :38:45. | :38:50. | |
the Foreign Secretary for his answer. Last week, Downing Street | :38:51. | :38:55. | |
said the primers are intended to challenge President Trump on climate | :38:56. | :38:59. | |
change at the G20 meeting. With this and how have been better done before | :39:00. | :39:02. | |
he announced he was pulling out of the Paris agreement than after? As I | :39:03. | :39:08. | |
have told the House before, we made our views very clear to the US | :39:09. | :39:12. | |
administration, repeatedly we have expressed dismay that they have | :39:13. | :39:17. | |
withdrawn. But on the other hand, I think all members on both sides of | :39:18. | :39:21. | |
the House should acknowledge in all fairness that the United States has | :39:22. | :39:27. | |
made and continues to make, even under this initiation, continues to | :39:28. | :39:30. | |
make substantial progress in reducing greenhouse gases. This | :39:31. | :39:42. | |
country has reduced CO2 by 42% since 1990, despite a 67% increase in GDP. | :39:43. | :39:48. | |
The United States has achieved, report progress and we intend to | :39:49. | :39:56. | |
encourage them on that path. Following the isolation of Donald | :39:57. | :40:00. | |
Trump at last week G20 Summit, on the issue of the Paris agreement, | :40:01. | :40:06. | |
further postponement of the trip to the UK, can I ask the sexual simple | :40:07. | :40:14. | |
question. Does the Government regard President John is the leader of the | :40:15. | :40:19. | |
free world, is so, how would they rate the job he is doing... As a | :40:20. | :40:30. | |
mark out of ten? -- president Trump. We certainly regard the achievement | :40:31. | :40:35. | |
of the Prime Minister as considerable as getting the US | :40:36. | :40:40. | |
president to sign up actually to the G20 agreement on climate change, as | :40:41. | :40:47. | |
she did. She is instrumental in getting the Americans to endorse. | :40:48. | :40:50. | |
Getting the Americans to sign up to the communique and I think members | :40:51. | :40:55. | |
on all sides of the House will appreciate that whatever | :40:56. | :40:57. | |
disagreements they have with the current incumbent of the White | :40:58. | :41:01. | |
House, the president of the United States is the leader of our most | :41:02. | :41:07. | |
important ally and he deserves that and respect for the consideration of | :41:08. | :41:11. | |
this country. Question 11, Mr Speaker. With the Foreign | :41:12. | :41:22. | |
Secretary's permission, ensuring the promotion of human rights and | :41:23. | :41:25. | |
engaging with this next essential part of the global policy of | :41:26. | :41:29. | |
Britain, ministers meet their cultivars readily and raise issues, | :41:30. | :41:35. | |
gender equality, modern slavery, freedom of belief and religion, the | :41:36. | :41:40. | |
death penalty and torture. It is an essential part is who we are the | :41:41. | :41:43. | |
United Kingdom and the Foreign Commonwealth Office. Back in March, | :41:44. | :41:52. | |
the UN human rights Council to commit atrocities. Women being raped | :41:53. | :42:03. | |
by the security forces. Does the Minister agree that the perpetrators | :42:04. | :42:07. | |
of such crime be brought to justice as a matter of urgency? And can he | :42:08. | :42:12. | |
tell us what I was recently in Burma and was able | :42:13. | :42:23. | |
to reaffirm the United Kingdom's sport for the Independent United | :42:24. | :42:27. | |
Nations commission. This is a difficult issue being wrestled with | :42:28. | :42:31. | |
by those in Burma. And the UK remains very close to the | :42:32. | :42:38. | |
humanitarian needs of the people there. The World Trade Organisation | :42:39. | :42:43. | |
estimates three out only for trade deals include provisions to improve | :42:44. | :42:48. | |
human rights, is what discussions has my honourable friend been having | :42:49. | :42:51. | |
with his colleagues in the Department of trade to make sure our | :42:52. | :42:55. | |
new trade deals include obligations to improve human rights where it is | :42:56. | :43:03. | |
appropriate? My right honourable friend is right, ensuring human | :43:04. | :43:07. | |
rights are an essential part of the future policy of the UK in terms of | :43:08. | :43:12. | |
trade deals. As these issues are raised now, it's an important part | :43:13. | :43:15. | |
of future and will continue to be a key part of our prosperity drive. | :43:16. | :43:21. | |
Following the arrest of amnesty International Turkey director, they | :43:22. | :43:30. | |
are examples of the worrying shift away from respected human rights in | :43:31. | :43:35. | |
Turkey. What steps has the Foreign Secretary himself taken to ensure | :43:36. | :43:42. | |
the immediate and unconditional release of these two people? The | :43:43. | :43:48. | |
right honourable lady knows these issues extremely well. My right | :43:49. | :43:51. | |
honourable friend the Foreign Secretary has raised this with his | :43:52. | :43:54. | |
counterpart on the Prime Minister raise this as the T20 were the | :43:55. | :44:02. | |
president of Turkey -- G20. This remains an important issue. On his | :44:03. | :44:07. | |
recent visit to Burma, did he encourage the Burmese government to | :44:08. | :44:11. | |
allow full access and cooperate fully with the fact-finding machine | :44:12. | :44:15. | |
looking into human rights issues in that country. Yes, indeed. It is a | :44:16. | :44:22. | |
difficult issue but we've made it very clear that the UN independent | :44:23. | :44:29. | |
report need full consideration. We'd urge the government to do all they | :44:30. | :44:34. | |
can to facilitate what the UN needs to complete its work. There is an | :44:35. | :44:37. | |
internal investigation already been carried out by the Burmese | :44:38. | :44:39. | |
government. We have been able to gain access | :44:40. | :44:55. | |
through our console. What efforts are being made to ensure the human | :44:56. | :44:59. | |
rights and the medical needs of the two people in prison are being | :45:00. | :45:06. | |
protected? Mr Speaker, I met with the family last week. I've raised | :45:07. | :45:11. | |
this issue directly with my counterpart, the Deputy Foreign | :45:12. | :45:14. | |
Minister of around, and the Iranian ambassador. We remain concerned | :45:15. | :45:20. | |
about this and other consulate cases involving around. I can assure the | :45:21. | :45:24. | |
lady we will continue to raise these at the highest issue. Briefly from | :45:25. | :45:33. | |
the front bench. As a government celebrated his victory in the High | :45:34. | :45:36. | |
Court over arms sales to Saudi Arabia, number of people affected by | :45:37. | :45:41. | |
the cholera epidemic in Yemen past 300,000. Humanitarian workers face a | :45:42. | :45:48. | |
choice of using it twinkling food supplies to be those children | :45:49. | :45:52. | |
suffering from malnutrition or those infected with cholera. In that | :45:53. | :45:56. | |
context, can the Minister told the House wired the Saudi led Coalition | :45:57. | :46:02. | |
continues to use British bombs to attack farms, food factories and | :46:03. | :46:09. | |
water plants? The judgment by the gorgeous today was unequivocal in | :46:10. | :46:14. | |
saying the United Kingdom had fully fulfilled its obligations under the | :46:15. | :46:18. | |
control of the arms trade. And also the work that was being toured with | :46:19. | :46:22. | |
the kingdom of Saudi Arabia in relation to its response to | :46:23. | :46:25. | |
international humanitarian law was fundamental to that judgment. The | :46:26. | :46:29. | |
situation in Yemen remains a humanitarian disaster, the actor | :46:30. | :46:33. | |
Kingdom is involved in seeking to do all it can, the cholera outbreak has | :46:34. | :46:41. | |
taken some 6500 cases each day. I am pleased we are fully engaged and | :46:42. | :46:45. | |
tried to do all we can to mitigate these actions -- United Kingdom. | :46:46. | :46:57. | |
He is new, I thought I was new, too. I am concerned the democratic | :46:58. | :47:04. | |
freedoms continue to face fundamental restrictions in the | :47:05. | :47:08. | |
Maldives. Pressure, including arrests has grown. Human rights | :47:09. | :47:11. | |
activists, the media art under threat. The government raise these | :47:12. | :47:17. | |
issues frequently with the Maldives government and we led the recent UN | :47:18. | :47:22. | |
statement in the gene human rights Council. My right honourable friend | :47:23. | :47:29. | |
will know that a Coalition of opposition parties in the Maldives, | :47:30. | :47:35. | |
led by the former president, committed to democracy and proving | :47:36. | :47:38. | |
relations with this country, has secured a majority in that country's | :47:39. | :47:42. | |
parliament. Does he share my concern is that the regime may resort to | :47:43. | :47:48. | |
legal means to prevent Parliament from properly functioning in that | :47:49. | :47:54. | |
country? I am very concerned is at that prospect. I have to say, no | :47:55. | :48:00. | |
one's hands in recent years in any part of the political environment in | :48:01. | :48:03. | |
the Maldives have been entirely clean. It has not been a happy | :48:04. | :48:07. | |
situation across the board. The biggest regret we have on this site | :48:08. | :48:12. | |
is the Maldives unilaterally left the Commonwealth in 2016, and I hope | :48:13. | :48:16. | |
a new regime will bring them back into the international regime in | :48:17. | :48:27. | |
this way. Firstly we should pay tribute to what United States has | :48:28. | :48:30. | |
done with its peacekeeping budget. It provides well over a quarter of | :48:31. | :48:34. | |
the global peacekeeping budget. Over $2 billion a year, which has not | :48:35. | :48:40. | |
eligible, so we need to pay tribute and encourage them to play the role, | :48:41. | :48:45. | |
that essential part. And then sticking to the Congressional limit | :48:46. | :48:49. | |
of 25% is vital for the UN peacekeeping operations. Does the | :48:50. | :48:54. | |
Minister agree the loss of financial support from the US will be | :48:55. | :49:01. | |
devastating, such as the world food programme Will they get them to | :49:02. | :49:12. | |
reconsider their planned cuts? It is right, in the current global | :49:13. | :49:15. | |
situation, UN peacekeeping operations are vital. But reforms | :49:16. | :49:21. | |
can be introduced. The move to close on the peacekeeping operation in | :49:22. | :49:26. | |
Ivory Coast, we can reduce costs and peacekeeping. It is vital the States | :49:27. | :49:30. | |
and others continue play a strong role, and support from United States | :49:31. | :49:35. | |
has been vital for the last 50 years and we hope it will continue to be. | :49:36. | :49:43. | |
Topical questions. Can I just remind colleagues in this Parliament, | :49:44. | :49:49. | |
topical questions are sure to be as -- supposed to be shorter. My | :49:50. | :49:56. | |
priority is to help resolve tensions in the Gulf where Britain has all | :49:57. | :50:00. | |
friendships and vital interests, that's why I've just returned from | :50:01. | :50:05. | |
visits to Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and cut. I reinforce the need for | :50:06. | :50:08. | |
dialogue. I will the summit in Trieste tomorrow, whether UK is | :50:09. | :50:15. | |
playing a vital role in guaranteeing stability and resisting Russian | :50:16. | :50:24. | |
ambitions. Yesterday in Kashmir, seven Hindu pilgrims were brutally | :50:25. | :50:28. | |
murdered by terrorists, including five women whilst undergoing it. | :50:29. | :50:34. | |
What action has my right honourable friend taken to condemn this | :50:35. | :50:39. | |
outrage? Waterboard will he give to recovering and bringing to justice | :50:40. | :50:47. | |
the terrorists who we believe are in Pakistan -- what will he give? The | :50:48. | :50:52. | |
whole issue is something we are in close contact with. I give the | :50:53. | :51:00. | |
issuer and we will bring this up in the course of the next 24 hours and | :51:01. | :51:04. | |
as for a plan of action in the wake he has asked. Does the Foreign | :51:05. | :51:08. | |
Secretary agree that if there's to be an extension of military action | :51:09. | :51:12. | |
in Syria, there should be a full debate and vote in this House? That | :51:13. | :51:17. | |
is for the Leader of the House to consider, I can tell him that no | :51:18. | :51:23. | |
such request has been made. I must say I think the difference in the | :51:24. | :51:28. | |
current American administration's attitude, many people on the other | :51:29. | :51:32. | |
side of the House, is to be welcomed. As America appears to be | :51:33. | :51:44. | |
volunteering we surrendering power, and from the main platform of our | :51:45. | :51:48. | |
interest in the several decades, it is not vital the Foreign Office | :51:49. | :51:53. | |
address is substantially to beef up our dramatic effort so we may retain | :51:54. | :52:00. | |
our prosperity, security and our influence abroad? I'm delighted to | :52:01. | :52:06. | |
welcome him to a cause I think is gathering strength across both sides | :52:07. | :52:12. | |
of the House of Commons, everybody understands, global Britain must be | :52:13. | :52:15. | |
properly supported. We have a world-class network of embassies, | :52:16. | :52:22. | |
278, the best foreign service in the world, but they do need proper | :52:23. | :52:28. | |
financing and proper support. The Foreign Secretary has spoken in the | :52:29. | :52:31. | |
past about his ardent opposition to female genital meat elation. We'll | :52:32. | :52:36. | |
he therefore have a word with the Home Secretary who is yet to respond | :52:37. | :52:41. | |
to be -- mutilation. She is threatened with deportation. I raise | :52:42. | :52:45. | |
it with the Prime Minister and have yet to receive an answer. I heard | :52:46. | :52:55. | |
her raised this before. I'm sure the case of her constituent is indeed | :52:56. | :52:59. | |
very troubling. I'm sure the Home Secretary will have picked up what | :53:00. | :53:04. | |
she's had to say today. I welcome the part played by purchase forces | :53:05. | :53:09. | |
in stabilising the threat posed by Daesh. What does he and British | :53:10. | :53:13. | |
forces for ensuring that such an insurgency does not recur? I thank | :53:14. | :53:21. | |
him for an excellent question. It is one thing but others to drive Daesh | :53:22. | :53:27. | |
out of Ozil, but we must make sure the reasons they sprouted in those | :53:28. | :53:35. | |
cities do not recur and that this study -- the Sunni minority have the | :53:36. | :53:44. | |
confidence in their country. Not since the Suez crisis has a UK | :53:45. | :53:48. | |
Government been so combines of the defeated at the United Nations, as | :53:49. | :53:52. | |
it was last week. In this week's spirit of bipartisan cooperation, | :53:53. | :53:57. | |
should the Foreign Secretary would not grant the right of return? I | :53:58. | :54:04. | |
must respectfully disagree with the gentleman opposite. We secured | :54:05. | :54:09. | |
rather more positive votes than we had expected. As it happens, the | :54:10. | :54:14. | |
other side of the case got fewer than half the members of the UN in | :54:15. | :54:20. | |
support of their cause. I think that most impartial observers of the | :54:21. | :54:22. | |
matter would agree their case has been substantially weakened as a | :54:23. | :54:26. | |
result, not that it was a strong case to begin with. Last week | :54:27. | :54:35. | |
Palestinian president said he would continue paying prisoner salaries to | :54:36. | :54:38. | |
people who are murdered innocent civilians. Does the Foreign | :54:39. | :54:42. | |
Secretary agree with me that there is nowhere we will have peace in the | :54:43. | :54:48. | |
Middle East unless there are projects and support for coexistence | :54:49. | :54:55. | |
on the Palestinian side? My honourable friend is right, there | :54:56. | :54:58. | |
are a number of barriers on the Palestinian side to be able to make | :54:59. | :55:03. | |
progress. Support for incitement and terror is one of those, we are | :55:04. | :55:07. | |
looking carefully to make sure no payments go in the wrong direction. | :55:08. | :55:11. | |
It is true the Palestinian authority need to look very hard to make sure | :55:12. | :55:15. | |
it is not giving the wrong signals as we try to make progress on the | :55:16. | :55:16. | |
middle East peace process. Will the Minister pick up the phone | :55:17. | :55:29. | |
to the opposite numbers in India, do a deal to get the men deported so we | :55:30. | :55:35. | |
can have a pint in Chester before the summer is out? I do appreciate | :55:36. | :55:39. | |
the persistent with which he campaigns from his constituents, and | :55:40. | :55:44. | |
his raise it with me. I have in turn raises myself personally with my | :55:45. | :55:49. | |
Indian counterparts. What they say to me is they cannot interfere in | :55:50. | :55:54. | |
their own court system anymore than we can interfere in our own | :55:55. | :55:58. | |
quarters. That is where the massacre of your stance, but I want to assure | :55:59. | :56:05. | |
him we continue to raise him on that issue. | :56:06. | :56:11. | |
Does my right arm friend agree we have, as we leave the EU, a great | :56:12. | :56:18. | |
opportunity to boost our mutual trade and security interests by | :56:19. | :56:21. | |
enhancing our diplomatic relations with Ghana and other Commonwealth | :56:22. | :56:26. | |
countries? I want to pay tribute to the right honourable member, Ghana | :56:27. | :56:31. | |
is one of the most impressive recent of ultimate in Africa, three recent | :56:32. | :56:36. | |
transitions of democratic power, a rapidly growing economy and huge | :56:37. | :56:41. | |
example of how we moved to the Commonwealth, the Commonwealth can | :56:42. | :56:43. | |
become one of the great success stories of Britain's next five | :56:44. | :56:51. | |
years. The Paralympic games in Rio were a great success, showing | :56:52. | :56:55. | |
inspirational talent and importance of sports included worldwide. What | :56:56. | :56:59. | |
discussions has a foreign of us had with Japanese counterparts to lend | :57:00. | :57:02. | |
our full support to the Tokyo Paralympic games going forward? | :57:03. | :57:07. | |
I thank you right honourable lady for her question. A huge amount of | :57:08. | :57:18. | |
work is going on. But also very importantly, she rightly says, the | :57:19. | :57:21. | |
Shia organisation and we are working very closely to make sure there is a | :57:22. | :57:27. | |
seamless progress between 2012. I think it is going to be a great | :57:28. | :57:30. | |
success, the Paralympic games in Tokyo. In the next few weeks, the HR | :57:31. | :57:36. | |
Government from Libya are coming over here to visit the UK. I am | :57:37. | :57:40. | |
wondering if my right honourable friend or any of the friend bench | :57:41. | :57:43. | |
would like to meet them when they come over here because they play a | :57:44. | :57:47. | |
pivotal role in keeping peace in Libya. Mr Speaker, an expansion of | :57:48. | :57:53. | |
the Libyan political agreement we believe is necessary to move matters | :57:54. | :57:57. | |
along. There is a lot happening on the political and business side and | :57:58. | :58:01. | |
Libya as it gets back on its feet. Her be happy to meet those whom I | :58:02. | :58:04. | |
honourable friend wants to bring forward. Given the collapse of the | :58:05. | :58:07. | |
talks in Cyprus and that the Government remains a guarantor of | :58:08. | :58:10. | |
the process, what is the Government going to do now? Mr Speaker, very | :58:11. | :58:16. | |
sadly, the cyber stalks on which people have done so much work for | :58:17. | :58:20. | |
over two years collapse in the early hours of Friday morning. -- these I | :58:21. | :58:26. | |
press talks. This was a once in a generation trustee reunify the | :58:27. | :58:30. | |
island. Sadly it has been missed and rejected so we go back to the status | :58:31. | :58:36. | |
quo and it is enormous pity indeed, a tragedy for future generations | :58:37. | :58:42. | |
that agreement was not reached. In view of the continuing concerns | :58:43. | :58:47. | |
about human rights in Hong Kong, does my right honourable friend the | :58:48. | :58:50. | |
Foreign Secretary intend to make any further representation on the joint | :58:51. | :58:55. | |
declaration? I hope my honourable friend will be assured that the UK | :58:56. | :58:58. | |
has been very active in emphasising the significance of this joint | :58:59. | :59:03. | |
British decoration which is a legally binding treated richly with | :59:04. | :59:06. | |
the UN and continues to be reinforced today. Join my own | :59:07. | :59:10. | |
meeting with the Chinese ambassador I stress the UK's strong commitment | :59:11. | :59:14. | |
to the joint declaration. We urge the Chinese and the Hong Kong and | :59:15. | :59:18. | |
mistress and governors and all politicians in Hong Kong to retain | :59:19. | :59:21. | |
from any actions that Bill Clinton or undermine confidence in the one | :59:22. | :59:26. | |
country two systems principle. The Foreign Secretary has rightly | :59:27. | :59:32. | |
underlined the UK US relations in this new role. The relationship is | :59:33. | :59:36. | |
collect the light by cultural programmes which are now in peril by | :59:37. | :59:41. | |
President Trump's proposal to cut 47% from the budget. Will he make | :59:42. | :59:46. | |
representations to underline how we think the programme should be | :59:47. | :59:49. | |
expanded and pushed to the point of extinction? I stand here as a | :59:50. | :59:53. | |
Kennedy scholar which is a very similar sort of structure and we | :59:54. | :59:57. | |
have a fantastic programme of scholars sponsored by the front | :59:58. | :00:01. | |
office. My right honourable friend has confirmed that he will raise the | :00:02. | :00:05. | |
issue of scholarships with secretary to listen when he next season. | :00:06. | :00:11. | |
With a quart of a million people now refugees as a result of the | :00:12. | :00:18. | |
repression in human rights abuses in that country, what is the Foreign | :00:19. | :00:21. | |
Secretary doing to stimulate dialogue to resolve the political | :00:22. | :00:29. | |
impasse that? The situation in Bindi is very disturbing, we call upon all | :00:30. | :00:34. | |
on the brilliant president to -- upon the President and leading the | :00:35. | :00:40. | |
peace talks in Burundi as in so many countries in the war, the only | :00:41. | :00:45. | |
long-term solution is a political salutes you -- solution to a crisis. | :00:46. | :00:52. | |
Friends of Syria to discuss the desperate need to get more aid to | :00:53. | :00:56. | |
the hundreds of thousands being starved to death in Syria. I thank | :00:57. | :01:05. | |
the honourable gentleman for his persistence in pursuing this cause | :01:06. | :01:08. | |
and he is absolutely right, we have spoken across the chamber many times | :01:09. | :01:12. | |
about the humanitarian crisis in Syria. I will have great pleasure in | :01:13. | :01:17. | |
meeting the Syria group to discuss what the UK is doing by the House | :01:18. | :01:21. | |
will know that this country is the single, the second-biggest | :01:22. | :01:24. | |
contributor of humanity relief aid to Syria in the wild. Whilst I | :01:25. | :01:31. | |
welcome the fact that the Prime Minister raise the issue of the at | :01:32. | :01:41. | |
the G20, can he focuses efforts on the Chief Minister of Tamil Nadu and | :01:42. | :01:45. | |
seek a meeting with her urgently, it is almost four years have our bodies | :01:46. | :01:49. | |
have been languishing in jail there. I visited them myself. It is time | :01:50. | :01:55. | |
they were brought home. My right honourable friend is absolutely | :01:56. | :02:00. | |
right. He suggests an interesting avenue for further work. I will look | :02:01. | :02:06. | |
at the possibility of talking to the Chief Minister of Tamil Nadu. | :02:07. | :02:08. | |
Whether we will be more successful in her in making our points, I wore | :02:09. | :02:12. | |
ascertained. We will leave no stone unturned. Mr Speaker, last week at | :02:13. | :02:19. | |
the same time as represented ?57 were meeting in the next, they were | :02:20. | :02:27. | |
convicting a human rights activist the charges on which defence | :02:28. | :02:30. | |
witnesses were not allowed to testify. The defendant was taken to | :02:31. | :02:35. | |
hospital during the trial and it was convicted in his absence. What | :02:36. | :02:39. | |
action the Government is taking to make sure the authorities in | :02:40. | :02:44. | |
Belarus... The most important thing we can do is enhance our bilateral | :02:45. | :02:48. | |
relations by visitor. No minister has visited Belarus for many years | :02:49. | :02:52. | |
and I intend to do so at the earliest opportunity. | :02:53. | :02:58. | |
As well as the physical rebuilding of Mosul, the Iraqi constitution | :02:59. | :03:06. | |
allows for them to regain power, looking at devolving power to the | :03:07. | :03:12. | |
people of Mosul. I am grateful to my honourable friend. He is right that | :03:13. | :03:20. | |
Iraq is an ethnically divided country, religiously divided | :03:21. | :03:23. | |
country, we must make sure that everybody feels properly represented | :03:24. | :03:29. | |
in the new constitution and evolution to Mosul is certainly an | :03:30. | :03:34. | |
option that we will be exploring. Thank you, Mr Speaker. Before he | :03:35. | :03:41. | |
meets the friends of Syria group, will he discussed a comrade is a | :03:42. | :03:46. | |
strategy to protect civilians with the Department for International | :03:47. | :03:48. | |
Development and a Ministry of Defence and we can have a proper | :03:49. | :03:53. | |
joint strategy at last? I can tell the honourable lady that is already | :03:54. | :03:58. | |
happening. Extremely grateful to the Foreign Secretary. I recognise there | :03:59. | :04:04. | |
is so unsatisfied demand but not as much as they might have been if I | :04:05. | :04:07. | |
had not overrun which I was pleased to do and I'm sure the Foreign | :04:08. | :04:11. | |
Secretary was equally enthusiastic. We will now proceed to the statement | :04:12. | :04:20. | |
by the parliament under section of state for business, energy and | :04:21. | :04:24. | |
industrial strategy. Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State Margot | :04:25. | :04:25. | |
James. Thank you, Mr Speaker. Wealth | :04:26. | :04:48. | |
permission, I would like to make a statement about the independent | :04:49. | :04:52. | |
review of model working practices which was led by Matthew Taylor and | :04:53. | :04:57. | |
published earlier today. Mr Speaker, the review said that that British | :04:58. | :05:01. | |
business a success for creating jobs, enhancing earning power and | :05:02. | :05:06. | |
improving life chances across the UK. Employment rates are the highest | :05:07. | :05:11. | |
since records began stop unemployment and economic inactivity | :05:12. | :05:14. | |
record lows. More people are in work than ever before and minimum wage | :05:15. | :05:20. | |
rates have never been higher. This is a story of success and one which | :05:21. | :05:24. | |
this Government will seek to sustain. The UK's economy continued | :05:25. | :05:30. | |
success is built on the flexibility of our labour market, which benefits | :05:31. | :05:35. | |
both workers and business. Businesses can create jobs and | :05:36. | :05:39. | |
individuals can find work because our labour market regulation | :05:40. | :05:42. | |
balances the demands both. Minimum standards set a baseline, beyond | :05:43. | :05:47. | |
which is the air is flexibility to set arrangements to suit all | :05:48. | :05:51. | |
parties. Our dynamic approach responds well to fluctuations in the | :05:52. | :05:55. | |
economic cycle, without the structural weakness is present in | :05:56. | :05:59. | |
some other countries. It is important that we preserve the | :06:00. | :06:02. | |
success, but also enhance it further. While the majority of | :06:03. | :06:09. | |
people employed in the UK are in full-time, permanent employment, | :06:10. | :06:13. | |
globalisation, demographics and especially technology are changing | :06:14. | :06:17. | |
the way in which we work. We need to make sure that the British labour | :06:18. | :06:21. | |
market stays strong and everyone in the UK can benefit from it. And that | :06:22. | :06:28. | |
is why last year, the Prime Minister asked Matthew Taylor, chief | :06:29. | :06:31. | |
executive of the Royal Society of arts, to lead an independent review | :06:32. | :06:34. | |
into employment practices in the modern economy. That review has now | :06:35. | :06:39. | |
been published and I am delighted to lay a copy in the House library | :06:40. | :06:43. | |
today. It is a thorough and detailed piece of work for which I am very | :06:44. | :06:49. | |
grateful. Not only to Matthew and his panel members, but also to the | :06:50. | :06:53. | |
numerous businesses, trade unions, organisations and individuals who | :06:54. | :06:57. | |
have provided their views on this very important topic. The review has | :06:58. | :07:06. | |
a strong overarching ambition, but all work in the UK should be fair | :07:07. | :07:09. | |
and decent with realistic scope for fulfilment and progression. Matthew | :07:10. | :07:13. | |
has outlined seven principles to meeting this ambition and I would | :07:14. | :07:18. | |
urge honourable member is to examine these principles and the rest of the | :07:19. | :07:23. | |
report in detail senses is an important contribution to a crucial | :07:24. | :07:28. | |
subject, but to summarise these principles, they are that our | :07:29. | :07:31. | |
national strategy for work should be explicitly directed towards the goal | :07:32. | :07:37. | |
of good works rural. That platform based working welcomes opportunities | :07:38. | :07:42. | |
for genuine flexibility but there should be greater distinction | :07:43. | :07:48. | |
between workers or, as the review suggests renaming them, depending | :07:49. | :07:51. | |
contractors and those who are fully self-employed. That there should be | :07:52. | :07:55. | |
additional protections for this group and stronger incentives for | :07:56. | :08:03. | |
firms to treat them early. The best way to achieve better wickets to | :08:04. | :08:07. | |
good management and strong employment relations. That is vital | :08:08. | :08:13. | |
that individuals have realistically attainable ways to strengthen their | :08:14. | :08:17. | |
future work prospects. That there should be a more proactive approach | :08:18. | :08:21. | |
to workplace health and the National Living Wage is a powerful tool to | :08:22. | :08:27. | |
raise the financial a sign of low-paid workers but it needs to be | :08:28. | :08:29. | |
accompanied by sexual strategies -- sectoral strategies. | :08:30. | :08:45. | |
While we might not accept every recommendation in full, I am | :08:46. | :08:49. | |
determined that we consider the report very carefully and we will | :08:50. | :08:52. | |
respond fairly by the end of the year. Matthew Taylor has been clear. | :08:53. | :08:59. | |
The UK labour market is a success, the British way works. But he has | :09:00. | :09:03. | |
also said that there are instances where it is not working fairly for | :09:04. | :09:09. | |
everyone. For example, he highlights where our legislation needs updating | :09:10. | :09:12. | |
or where flexibility seems only to work one way, to the benefit of the | :09:13. | :09:18. | |
employer. We recognise the points made. We accept that as a country we | :09:19. | :09:26. | |
now need to focus as much on the quality of the working experience, | :09:27. | :09:29. | |
especially for those in lower paid roles as on the number of jobs we | :09:30. | :09:36. | |
create, vital though that is. This Government has made a commitment to | :09:37. | :09:40. | |
upholding workers' rights, the Prime Minister has said repeatedly in this | :09:41. | :09:44. | |
House and elsewhere that as we leave the EU, there will be no rollback of | :09:45. | :09:50. | |
employment protections. The Queen's speech also says that by this | :09:51. | :09:52. | |
Government will go further than that and will seek to enhance rights and | :09:53. | :09:58. | |
protections in the modern workplace. Today's publication of the good work | :09:59. | :10:02. | |
review and the public consideration of Matthew's recommendations that | :10:03. | :10:07. | |
will follow will help to inform the development of our industrial | :10:08. | :10:10. | |
strategy this autumn and I commend the statement to the House. Thank | :10:11. | :10:18. | |
you, Mr Speaker. When the Prime Minister set took office last year, | :10:19. | :10:21. | |
she stood on the steps of Downing Street, stating that she was on the | :10:22. | :10:27. | |
side of working people. Now, despite this rhetoric, the Conservatives | :10:28. | :10:30. | |
have been in Government now for seven years and in that time, they | :10:31. | :10:33. | |
have done very little for working people. They have presided over a | :10:34. | :10:40. | |
lost decade as product and productivity group, they have | :10:41. | :10:43. | |
implemented the pernicious trade union act, an ideological attack on | :10:44. | :10:48. | |
the train union movement, curbing their ability to fight for Anne | :10:49. | :10:50. | |
Robinson workers interests. They have inflicted hardship on public | :10:51. | :10:56. | |
sector workers with pay cap which has been confirmed yesterday by the | :10:57. | :11:00. | |
Department for Education for yet another year. They promise workers | :11:01. | :11:06. | |
on boards that road back scared when powerful interests that they were | :11:07. | :11:11. | |
not keen on the idea. They have introduced employment tribunal fees | :11:12. | :11:14. | |
which has made it much harder for workers to enforce their rights. So, | :11:15. | :11:20. | |
today, with the publication of the Taylor review, there was a real | :11:21. | :11:23. | |
opportunity to overhaul the existing employment system in a way that | :11:24. | :11:28. | |
would protect workers in a rapidly changing world of work. But in the | :11:29. | :11:32. | |
words of the general secretary of Unite, the biggest union in the UK, | :11:33. | :11:37. | |
instead of this serious programme the country urgently needs to ensure | :11:38. | :11:41. | |
that once again work pays in this country, we got a depressing sense | :11:42. | :11:47. | |
that insecurity is the inedible new norm. Indeed the minister confirm | :11:48. | :11:51. | |
that she might not even accept all of the proposals in the Taylor | :11:52. | :11:56. | |
report in any event. Now, the report was positive in sentiment across | :11:57. | :12:02. | |
many hours and Mrs many offshoots to plant an exploitation in the | :12:03. | :12:05. | |
workplace. I do not have time to cover the more today but I do have | :12:06. | :12:09. | |
specific concerns that the report may allow the Government to | :12:10. | :12:12. | |
interpreted references to the so-called depending contract in | :12:13. | :12:18. | |
order to row back on recent court victories for workers such as Uber | :12:19. | :12:23. | |
drivers and polymers. Recent case law suggested that work on a | :12:24. | :12:27. | |
platform with the entitled to the minimum wage as long as the aptly | :12:28. | :12:33. | |
reached which Diana and the willing to accept trips. In may insist on | :12:34. | :12:39. | |
payment by piece rate, that an average driver working averagely | :12:40. | :12:43. | |
hard will earn 1.2 times the minimum wage. | :12:44. | :12:57. | |
Will the Minister confirmed the government will not undermine | :12:58. | :13:02. | |
workers' rights and the minimum wage in this way? Indeed, Pimlico | :13:03. | :13:11. | |
plumbers's founder has said the report uses them as an example of | :13:12. | :13:16. | |
the best practice. Accompanied which our judicial system found to be an | :13:17. | :13:21. | |
example of worst practice. The report also does very little to | :13:22. | :13:24. | |
strengthen the ability of workers to enforce the rights they already | :13:25. | :13:28. | |
have. Whilst agreeing with Labour's position on shifting the burden of | :13:29. | :13:33. | |
proof to employers in determining self-employed sectors, there is | :13:34. | :13:36. | |
little else and this needs much more work. There's no movement at all in | :13:37. | :13:41. | |
relation to employment tribunal fees, which act as a barrier to | :13:42. | :13:46. | |
justice for many workers. If the Prime Minister wanted ideas on | :13:47. | :13:49. | |
strengthening workers' rights, she could have come to us. Just four of | :13:50. | :13:54. | |
our manifesto commitment alone will go long way to end the sky which of | :13:55. | :13:59. | |
exploitation in the Gega economy. Giving all workers equal rights from | :14:00. | :14:04. | |
day one, for example. Strengthening the enforcement of those rights by | :14:05. | :14:09. | |
giving up a better resourcing HMRC, not imposing pernicious cuts. | :14:10. | :14:13. | |
Allowing trade union access to every workplace, abolishing tribunal fees | :14:14. | :14:20. | |
and finally finding employers who breach labour market rights and | :14:21. | :14:24. | |
regulations. So, Mr Speaker, I asked the Minister in the spirit of the | :14:25. | :14:29. | |
so-called collaboration had Prime Minister is so desperately seeking, | :14:30. | :14:34. | |
will she commit to date to implement these forcible measures as a start? | :14:35. | :14:38. | |
Or if not, did she accept the Conservative Party is not and never | :14:39. | :14:45. | |
will be on the side of working people? -- for simple measures. I am | :14:46. | :14:52. | |
glad the honourable lady found some positive aspects to the report. To | :14:53. | :14:57. | |
complement Matthew Taylor run. I do appreciate you won't have had time | :14:58. | :15:01. | |
to read it all yet, but I do urge her to do so because there really | :15:02. | :15:06. | |
are many, many recommendations in that report that will be of benefit | :15:07. | :15:12. | |
to workers. And are worthy of the greater consideration that this | :15:13. | :15:15. | |
government will give the recommendations. I won't comment on | :15:16. | :15:21. | |
each of them, because they are Matthew Taylor's suggestions and | :15:22. | :15:25. | |
they will be given due consideration. She does criticise | :15:26. | :15:29. | |
this government's record, and so I would like to remind it is this | :15:30. | :15:33. | |
government that has introduced national living wage, that has | :15:34. | :15:40. | |
decided over the minimum wage being at its highest rate in real terms | :15:41. | :15:45. | |
since it was introduced. And the facts remain that the wage increases | :15:46. | :15:51. | |
we have seen in the last year have been at their highest among the | :15:52. | :15:56. | |
lowest paid banks of the national living wage. We have nearly doubled | :15:57. | :16:01. | |
the budget for enforcement of a national living wage, we have | :16:02. | :16:05. | |
doubled to find the companies who underpay their employers, we have | :16:06. | :16:09. | |
banned the use of exclusivity clause in zero hours contracts. And | :16:10. | :16:14. | |
employment, all the time, the backdrop is at a situation where we | :16:15. | :16:21. | |
have protected the growth in employment. At almost 75%, | :16:22. | :16:26. | |
unemployment is at its highest record level since records began. It | :16:27. | :16:36. | |
is a record of achievement. She criticises us for passing a trade | :16:37. | :16:41. | |
union act, but most reasonable people would not criticise the fact | :16:42. | :16:44. | |
that workers who are members of trade unions should have a proper | :16:45. | :16:50. | |
say when their union decides to take strike action. And that is the | :16:51. | :16:54. | |
purpose primarily of that legislation. It is not all a garden | :16:55. | :17:00. | |
of roses, otherwise the Prime Minister would not have requested | :17:01. | :17:05. | |
Matty Taylor to undertake the report. Flexibility and innovation | :17:06. | :17:11. | |
are vital. The PM said when she announced Matthew Taylor's | :17:12. | :17:15. | |
investigation, she said that as part of what makes our economy strong, | :17:16. | :17:20. | |
but it is essential these virtues are combined with the right support | :17:21. | :17:26. | |
and protections for the worker. But the Matthew Taylor review came to | :17:27. | :17:31. | |
understand that flexibility does work for many people, and it is | :17:32. | :17:36. | |
clear that an agile labour market is good for protecting employment. | :17:37. | :17:47. | |
Would my honourable friend agree that at the heart of boosting wages | :17:48. | :17:53. | |
for lower paid workers is productivity? There are actually | :17:54. | :17:56. | |
some good examples of employers working with the living wage | :17:57. | :17:59. | |
foundation who've managed to reduce the pay of low skilled workers and | :18:00. | :18:03. | |
focusing on productivity, that should be at the heart of this | :18:04. | :18:11. | |
issue. I heartily agree, indeed productivity is essential to our | :18:12. | :18:13. | |
international strategy. We've established a 23 billion fund to | :18:14. | :18:20. | |
promote quality jobs, better skills and the higher paid that he mentions | :18:21. | :18:28. | |
is so important. Can I refer to mow bid disturbing trust my trade union | :18:29. | :18:36. | |
activity over 20 years prior to my election -- refer to my trade union | :18:37. | :18:48. | |
activity. It was interesting neither the Minister or the Prime Minister | :18:49. | :18:53. | |
mentioned or commended the role of the trade unions in securing their | :18:54. | :18:56. | |
rights at work. Does the Minister agree the right to request is | :18:57. | :19:01. | |
different from a fundamental right enshrined in law? If a right to | :19:02. | :19:06. | |
request is refused, what enforcement action will the government take to | :19:07. | :19:10. | |
force employers to do better? Does she accept is no distinction in the | :19:11. | :19:14. | |
report between a flexible workforce and exploiting that workforce? Does | :19:15. | :19:19. | |
the Minister also agree that whilst the Taylor report tries to reside | :19:20. | :19:23. | |
new rides, some of these rights have been secured by trade unions taken | :19:24. | :19:28. | |
employers to court as the Shadow minister agree? Can she tell us what | :19:29. | :19:32. | |
action will be taken to enforce minimum wage payments with turn a | :19:33. | :19:37. | |
thousand workers not being paid that minimum wage? Will they advertise | :19:38. | :19:44. | |
rights of work services? And does the Minister agree it is time for a | :19:45. | :19:48. | |
fair rights of work act which guarantees fundamental rights at | :19:49. | :19:54. | |
work? I thank the honourable gentleman for his critique. The | :19:55. | :20:00. | |
right to request has been useful and valuable when it comes to requesting | :20:01. | :20:04. | |
flexible employment. In any case, it is a recommendation that Matthew is | :20:05. | :20:09. | |
making, but I do feel it is certainly warrant careful | :20:10. | :20:14. | |
consideration. He talked about enforcement, and we are absolutely | :20:15. | :20:20. | |
committed to making sure that workers who are on zero hours | :20:21. | :20:25. | |
contracts or the minimum wage absolutely get paid what they are | :20:26. | :20:29. | |
legally entitled to, that is why we have doubled the resources available | :20:30. | :20:34. | |
to the HMRC in the last two years, to ensure enforcement with those | :20:35. | :20:44. | |
important laws. I welcome the Matt Taylor report today and commend the | :20:45. | :20:49. | |
Minister for her statement. Particularly with regards to | :20:50. | :20:52. | |
tackling nativity and pregnancy discrimination, wish to report says | :20:53. | :20:57. | |
needs more action and has doubled in the last decade. Will the Minister | :20:58. | :21:02. | |
perhaps outline for the House what provisions within this report, | :21:03. | :21:04. | |
particularly address the issues raised by the select committee about | :21:05. | :21:11. | |
workers lack of rights to accessing antenatal care June the working day, | :21:12. | :21:16. | |
which the Minister, in her response, said would be addressed in this | :21:17. | :21:21. | |
report? I commend the honourable lady for the work her select | :21:22. | :21:27. | |
committee, which he chairs, has done to tackle this outrageous issue of | :21:28. | :21:33. | |
discrimination against women who are pregnant. That has no plays in the | :21:34. | :21:38. | |
modern workplace. There are provisions within the Matthew Taylor | :21:39. | :21:42. | |
report, but there is also ongoing work across government to improve | :21:43. | :21:48. | |
the opportunities for women who are pregnant in the workplace to ensure | :21:49. | :21:52. | |
we make history of that discrimination. As somebody who | :21:53. | :21:59. | |
lobbied the Prime Minister Webb reports on the EU economy, might I | :22:00. | :22:04. | |
thank the Minister for her statement today? Could I please from her a | :22:05. | :22:10. | |
little more, whether government's position will be in the trade-off | :22:11. | :22:17. | |
between strapping minimum standards at the vulnerable end of the labour | :22:18. | :22:23. | |
market and trading that for flexibility, that the news reports | :22:24. | :22:28. | |
are right, Matthew Taylor goes for flexibility, rather than always | :22:29. | :22:31. | |
implementing the national minimum wage? Can we have an undertaking | :22:32. | :22:35. | |
from the government they will always abide by the national minimum wage, | :22:36. | :22:39. | |
even if there is a loss for flexibility? I congratulate the | :22:40. | :22:47. | |
honourable gentleman for all the work he did chairing the work and | :22:48. | :22:49. | |
pensions select committee on these matters in the last Parliament. And | :22:50. | :22:57. | |
I can assure him that minimum wage rates are absolutely sacrosanct, | :22:58. | :23:02. | |
there will be no trade-off with regard to ensuring everybody is | :23:03. | :23:06. | |
played at least the minimum wage. And I think if the honourable | :23:07. | :23:12. | |
gentleman reads the report, he will be more encouraged. And I can't | :23:13. | :23:16. | |
quote many of the people who attended the review is evident | :23:17. | :23:21. | |
session told the Taylor review they like the flexibility of working a | :23:22. | :23:26. | |
typical, atypically, and we shouldn't lose theirs. Flexibility | :23:27. | :23:29. | |
must not be a one-way street with individuals absorbing all the risk, | :23:30. | :23:35. | |
and although we are going to consider the recommendations | :23:36. | :23:39. | |
further, I can assure him very much agree with the sentiments behind | :23:40. | :23:45. | |
that remark. Does the Minister welcome the fact the review | :23:46. | :23:49. | |
established that the majority of employers followed good practice and | :23:50. | :23:53. | |
our focus should be on those who do not, to make sure we level the | :23:54. | :23:59. | |
playing field for all employers, all employees and businesses in this | :24:00. | :24:06. | |
country? I agree strongly with my honourable friend. Employers who | :24:07. | :24:09. | |
choose to break the rules, and they are a small minority but excess, | :24:10. | :24:14. | |
they must exist there to be consequences for their actions. | :24:15. | :24:17. | |
There should be a level playing field so that visitors who do the | :24:18. | :24:23. | |
vast majority of which do behave properly, do not find themselves the | :24:24. | :24:30. | |
wrong end of an uneven playing. I declare an interest having done some | :24:31. | :24:34. | |
work during my time out of this House. I welcome the Prime Minister | :24:35. | :24:39. | |
saying there will be no rollback of workers' rights, though let's just | :24:40. | :24:42. | |
say those words are a departure from what I experience as a consider | :24:43. | :24:47. | |
position when I was Liberal Democrat minister in the Coalition. I know | :24:48. | :24:53. | |
the Minister is genuine, it's an important issue. Can just as, as she | :24:54. | :24:58. | |
prepares a government response to this report, will she commit to | :24:59. | :25:02. | |
consulting widely across this House, through debate, free speaking the | :25:03. | :25:07. | |
select committee, to get the right response when the government comes | :25:08. | :25:13. | |
forward? I thank the honourable lady and commend her for her role in that | :25:14. | :25:18. | |
Coalition government. I'm glad to hear that she acknowledges this | :25:19. | :25:23. | |
government has move forward in its appreciation of the difficulties | :25:24. | :25:27. | |
faced by certain workers in the sort of areas Matthew Taylor has been | :25:28. | :25:32. | |
focused upon. I can give her every assurance we will indeed consult | :25:33. | :25:36. | |
widely, not just across industry and where trade unions and members of | :25:37. | :25:40. | |
the public, but very much so across this House. I welcome this report | :25:41. | :25:47. | |
very much, and I wonder if Earth at this any stage, can she give any | :25:48. | :25:51. | |
indication what enhance opportunities may be created to | :25:52. | :25:56. | |
those people who have disabilities, in the world of work or trying to | :25:57. | :26:04. | |
enter the world of work? I thank the honourable gentleman for this | :26:05. | :26:07. | |
important note. The Department for Work and Pensions are undertaking | :26:08. | :26:13. | |
various measures to improve the chances are people with disabilities | :26:14. | :26:16. | |
accessing the workplace, and my department is giving all the | :26:17. | :26:24. | |
supporter can to that enquiry. Matthew Taylor said today he wants | :26:25. | :26:29. | |
employers to pay national insurance for people they have a controlling | :26:30. | :26:32. | |
and supervisory relationship with. Does the government plan to | :26:33. | :26:35. | |
implement that aspect of the Taylor review, and can minister reassure | :26:36. | :26:40. | |
workers that government doesn't plan to U-turn on its U-turn and increase | :26:41. | :26:43. | |
national insurance for the generally self-employed? I can assure that | :26:44. | :26:52. | |
honourable lady that as the first Secretary of State commented | :26:53. | :26:57. | |
Parliament has spoken on the issue of national insurance in respect, | :26:58. | :27:05. | |
and that matter is settled and will not be revisited. I think I share | :27:06. | :27:11. | |
her concern that we look very closely to make sure that people who | :27:12. | :27:16. | |
are generally contracted to provide an ongoing service are given the | :27:17. | :27:25. | |
protections that workers and not falsely labelled self-employed. | :27:26. | :27:31. | |
On a similar point, which he confirmed that actually there is a | :27:32. | :27:37. | |
real risk that having a depending contractors risk fudging the issue | :27:38. | :27:41. | |
of where someone is really employed and self-employed, we should be | :27:42. | :27:44. | |
focusing on getting that line drawn in the right place and making sure | :27:45. | :27:49. | |
that those who engage in depending contractors are paying national | :27:50. | :27:54. | |
insurance so I'm tax rating is not distorting the market? We are going | :27:55. | :27:59. | |
to consult heavily on those points and we will absolutely make sure | :28:00. | :28:06. | |
that hates NTS satisfied on the tax issues but that we are satisfied | :28:07. | :28:11. | |
that employees are getting their rights, if they are employees or | :28:12. | :28:16. | |
workers. With Matthew Taylor is replacing to rename them, depending | :28:17. | :28:23. | |
contractors. The Minister has welcomed this report. Assume the | :28:24. | :28:28. | |
position to accept any of the recommendations in it today and | :28:29. | :28:30. | |
Kenji tells when they will be legislation to implement a least | :28:31. | :28:34. | |
something from their stories are all going to be put into the long grass? | :28:35. | :28:42. | |
As I said in the responses earlier, we will be consulting, looking at | :28:43. | :28:45. | |
every single recommendation and it is not release me to say I'm | :28:46. | :28:51. | |
personally inclined to recommend, excepting which I am not at this | :28:52. | :28:55. | |
very early stage. So I hope you will bear with us if, over the next six | :28:56. | :29:00. | |
months, we will be consented, by the year and, maybe a little bit longer | :29:01. | :29:04. | |
than six months, consulting widely across this House and he will have | :29:05. | :29:07. | |
every opportunity to make his views known. Thank you, Mr Speaker. I have | :29:08. | :29:15. | |
spent 45 years in the gig economy and what I liked about the gig | :29:16. | :29:19. | |
economy is it was very flexible and in order to build a career, I found | :29:20. | :29:24. | |
myself delivering bacon across north London from Smithfield market. They | :29:25. | :29:28. | |
became a removal man. Does my right honourable friend agree with me that | :29:29. | :29:35. | |
it is very welcome but this report supports a flexible labour market | :29:36. | :29:39. | |
and is not in favour of restricting that flexibility where individuals | :29:40. | :29:45. | |
want it. Well, I think that my honourable friend has made a very | :29:46. | :29:48. | |
careful reading of the summary of Matthew Taylor's report because he | :29:49. | :29:52. | |
does understand that balance. He does not want first to land the kind | :29:53. | :29:55. | |
of tax abilities that have helped him in his career and close for | :29:56. | :30:00. | |
people starting out on their careers now. But as I've said, we do to make | :30:01. | :30:06. | |
sure their predictions are in place. -- protections. It is just not my | :30:07. | :30:14. | |
constituent in the gig economy that have insecurity, they are pleased to | :30:15. | :30:18. | |
be working but when they went full-time employment, they see more | :30:19. | :30:22. | |
people in the same organisations getting part-time hours. When will | :30:23. | :30:26. | |
the Government get to grips with this element of the economy and make | :30:27. | :30:29. | |
sure that all those workers get a fair deal and a chance to work full | :30:30. | :30:36. | |
time hours they so need? The whole basis of this report is good work | :30:37. | :30:41. | |
and the aspiration of good work for all and I would include those | :30:42. | :30:44. | |
constituents to which she is referring. But just to reassure her, | :30:45. | :30:50. | |
the survey of two years ago did find that almost 70% of people on zero | :30:51. | :30:54. | |
hour contracts were content with the hours that they were working. That | :30:55. | :30:58. | |
does mean a third do want more hours and that is what we have got to | :30:59. | :31:02. | |
embrace in terms of some of the changes that Matthew Taylor might be | :31:03. | :31:07. | |
recommending in order to help achieve the good work and the hours | :31:08. | :31:12. | |
her constituents want to work. I welcome the publication of this | :31:13. | :31:16. | |
report. Does my honourable friend agree that flexibility in the legal | :31:17. | :31:20. | |
market does benefit both workers and employers equally? -- labour market. | :31:21. | :31:27. | |
My honourable friend has asked me a difficult question in that I do | :31:28. | :31:34. | |
believe that Matthew Taylor's report does bear this out, flexibility does | :31:35. | :31:38. | |
benefit both employers and employees but I'm afraid that the evidence to | :31:39. | :31:45. | |
his inquiry did point out that in too many cases, that flexibility is | :31:46. | :31:50. | |
a one-way street, as I said earlier, and we do need to address the issue | :31:51. | :31:58. | |
as people who are really at risk and far too insecure in employment | :31:59. | :32:05. | |
situation. Thank you. I welcome the Minister's commitment to the | :32:06. | :32:10. | |
Government upholding workers' rights and I wonder whether as part of the | :32:11. | :32:15. | |
Government's response to this report, you look at enabling workers | :32:16. | :32:19. | |
to uphold their own rights and look again at these for employment | :32:20. | :32:22. | |
tribunals which have meant a reduction of 70% in cases by single | :32:23. | :32:27. | |
claimants, such as those working in the gig economy against their | :32:28. | :32:32. | |
employer? I thank the honourable lady for her question. She makes a | :32:33. | :32:36. | |
very important point. It is a matter for the Ministry of Justice. Matthew | :32:37. | :32:41. | |
Taylor has not recommended that we get rid of these for employment | :32:42. | :32:44. | |
tribunals. I think we have to recognise the positive aspect, which | :32:45. | :32:51. | |
has been an upsurge in the amount of employment disputes that have been | :32:52. | :32:54. | |
settled through mediation. But I will continue to like the she | :32:55. | :33:02. | |
raises. Thank you, Mr Speaker. The report does praise and support | :33:03. | :33:06. | |
flexibility within the labour market, where individuals wanted. | :33:07. | :33:09. | |
But does my honourable friend agree with me that this is perhaps | :33:10. | :33:13. | |
especially, but not exclusively, beneficial to students and young | :33:14. | :33:19. | |
people? I do agree with my honourable friend. I think the | :33:20. | :33:24. | |
figures suggest that almost 20% of people on zero hour contracts | :33:25. | :33:31. | |
students and the flexibility does benefit many people who perhaps have | :33:32. | :33:34. | |
parenting or caring responsibilities and do not want to work full-time. | :33:35. | :33:40. | |
So we certainly do not want enough flexibility, but we do want to | :33:41. | :33:45. | |
improve protection, as I have said before. Thank you, Mr Speaker. The | :33:46. | :33:54. | |
gig economy brings an insecure work. The rights will be worth I think is | :33:55. | :33:59. | |
the Government increases the amount it is prepared to put into | :34:00. | :34:05. | |
regulation, so will the Minister tell us this afternoon will she | :34:06. | :34:08. | |
commit alongside implement in the Taylor of to bidding those | :34:09. | :34:12. | |
additional resources in? I very much agree with the gentlemen. | :34:13. | :34:17. | |
Enforcement is crucial. We have double the resources available, | :34:18. | :34:23. | |
minimum wage enforcement, they will continue to go up through this | :34:24. | :34:27. | |
Parliament. In addition, we have strengthened the powers of the gang | :34:28. | :34:32. | |
masters labour abuse of authority and we have recently appointed a new | :34:33. | :34:37. | |
director of the labour market enforcement who is tasked with | :34:38. | :34:43. | |
bringing the work of the three major enforcement bodies together to | :34:44. | :34:46. | |
understand the extent of the abuse and to recommend ways of those | :34:47. | :34:51. | |
enforcement agencies being properly resourced to ingest it. I hope the | :34:52. | :34:54. | |
honourable gentleman will be pleased with the outcome of that in due | :34:55. | :34:59. | |
course. I would like to welcome the publication of Matthew Taylor's | :35:00. | :35:03. | |
report on my honourable friend's statement today. Does she agree with | :35:04. | :35:09. | |
me that it is not absolutely right to ensure workers are treated fairly | :35:10. | :35:14. | |
but it is good for business too as they have more engaged and more | :35:15. | :35:19. | |
productive workforce? I heartily agree with my honourable friend. | :35:20. | :35:24. | |
That is what it is all about. It is about improving work so that we have | :35:25. | :35:28. | |
good work, so that people have the ability to grow in their careers, so | :35:29. | :35:32. | |
that people who are low-paid to start with do not have to be | :35:33. | :35:36. | |
low-paid forever, that they can aspire to a better future that will | :35:37. | :35:40. | |
benefit British productivity and it will, as my honourable friend | :35:41. | :35:43. | |
suggest, improve the competitiveness of British companies. Vital | :35:44. | :35:50. | |
protection for workers is trade union membership and also trade | :35:51. | :35:54. | |
union recognition. Since my time at the TUC over 40 years ago, the | :35:55. | :35:58. | |
mention of trade unions in Britain has halved and we have seen workers' | :35:59. | :36:04. | |
rights and undermined by Tory legislation. When is the legislation | :36:05. | :36:09. | |
going to be reversed? The Government cannot name the people to join trade | :36:10. | :36:15. | |
unions. Trade unions are still a very important force for protecting | :36:16. | :36:19. | |
workers' rights, among those sectors of the economy where they are still | :36:20. | :36:21. | |
dominant and I commend them for their work. If one talks to drivers | :36:22. | :36:30. | |
on YouTube or cleaners using platforms as hassle, they will | :36:31. | :36:33. | |
acknowledge the benefits of flexibility to them. To coin a | :36:34. | :36:38. | |
phrase, would it not be morally acceptable to misread the | :36:39. | :36:41. | |
21st-century labour market and construct a set of rules that force | :36:42. | :36:45. | |
is out of work, rather than allows them to stay in its? My right | :36:46. | :36:51. | |
honourable friend, my honourable friend will be no doubt pleased that | :36:52. | :36:55. | |
Matthew Taylor very much agrees with his thesis. Thank you very much, Mr | :36:56. | :37:05. | |
Speaker. Over 1 million workers are being exploited by companies and | :37:06. | :37:08. | |
bogus self-employment. Since its changes to tax policy that are | :37:09. | :37:11. | |
needed to tackle both and the Government prohibited making any | :37:12. | :37:17. | |
firm regularly chosen to change in tax policy, houses the can we take | :37:18. | :37:20. | |
the Minister's comments to date and when they are going to address the | :37:21. | :37:26. | |
tax anomalies? I can assure the honourable lady that no bar | :37:27. | :37:29. | |
whispered in front of Matthew Taylor. He able to investigate as | :37:30. | :37:37. | |
free and fair as he saw fit. It is really up to the Treasury to assess | :37:38. | :37:41. | |
the tax situation and any potential loss of revenues which of course | :37:42. | :37:48. | |
comes from bogus self-employment. In contrast to the previous question, | :37:49. | :37:50. | |
with my honourable friend join me in recognising one of the key findings | :37:51. | :37:55. | |
of the review, that, thanks to the Government's tax policies, once you | :37:56. | :37:59. | |
take into account tax levels and tax credits, actually average take-home | :38:00. | :38:05. | |
pay for families where you lose one member is in full-time employment is | :38:06. | :38:09. | |
higher in the UK than in any other G-7 country? -- where at least one | :38:10. | :38:17. | |
member. I commend my honourable friend for bringing that to the | :38:18. | :38:23. | |
attention of the House. I am pleased to hear the Minister so promoting | :38:24. | :38:27. | |
this Marxist revolution that we are now living through as the means of | :38:28. | :38:32. | |
production are increasingly in the hands of the workers. But further to | :38:33. | :38:36. | |
what does she not agree with me that the answer to some of the challenges | :38:37. | :38:40. | |
we are hearing is not just better regulations but also to help people | :38:41. | :38:44. | |
organise and if so, will she meet with myself, Kimi to trade union, | :38:45. | :38:48. | |
the Co-op movement to discuss our work helping the self-employed to | :38:49. | :38:56. | |
organise and unionise? I am aware of the independent union of | :38:57. | :38:58. | |
self-employed workers and they have been a force and may have | :38:59. | :39:05. | |
contributed to this enquiry. -- they have contributed. I would be all too | :39:06. | :39:09. | |
pleased to meet with the honourable lady and her community organisers as | :39:10. | :39:15. | |
part of my consultation. Thank you. There's a marked difference between | :39:16. | :39:19. | |
someone who says that the business, take some risks and wrist | :39:20. | :39:23. | |
self-employment compared to refute as good as employees who force | :39:24. | :39:29. | |
workers to go self-employed. In responding to this excellent report, | :39:30. | :39:31. | |
what will my honourable friend do to make sure that the people who are | :39:32. | :39:35. | |
genuinely self-employed continue to receive those benefits, but the | :39:36. | :39:42. | |
unscrupulous employers do not? My honourable friend makes a very good | :39:43. | :39:46. | |
point. We do not want to stand in the way of the incentives that | :39:47. | :39:51. | |
promote people who are genuinely taking a risk and starting a | :39:52. | :39:55. | |
business, they are the majority and we do not want to do that thing that | :39:56. | :40:00. | |
upsets that balance. But at the same time, as my honourable friend will | :40:01. | :40:04. | |
realise, we do need to end the scourge of fake self-employment. The | :40:05. | :40:12. | |
report disappointed does not go far enough on the issue of zero hour | :40:13. | :40:18. | |
contracts. The Labour Welsh government and devolved areas on | :40:19. | :40:21. | |
seven occasions. Is not the case that workers in are being left out | :40:22. | :40:30. | |
by the Tory and Labour Party? Individual, many individuals, as | :40:31. | :40:34. | |
I've said, want to work in a flexible way that is by the zero | :40:35. | :40:39. | |
hour contracts and almost 70% of them are happy with our allies and, | :40:40. | :40:43. | |
as I said, the third who are not, we must take steps to promote the value | :40:44. | :40:47. | |
of good work as an opportunity for them, whether they are in Wales or | :40:48. | :40:52. | |
in the rest of the United Kingdom. She has told us that 20% of students | :40:53. | :41:00. | |
-- 20% of students, 70% are satisfied, can you complete the | :41:01. | :41:04. | |
hat-trick I telling us what the mean weekly incomes actually is on the | :41:05. | :41:11. | |
zero hour 's contract? I will have to write a number of friends with | :41:12. | :41:18. | |
the answer to that one. -- I will have to write to my honourable | :41:19. | :41:23. | |
friend. Matthew Taylor has written we must equip our children and young | :41:24. | :41:27. | |
people to enter the labour market successfully but Government | :41:28. | :41:30. | |
employees and individuals have to make sure that everyone is in the | :41:31. | :41:34. | |
best place to provide what might be working life spanning 60 years or | :41:35. | :41:37. | |
more. How will the Government square this with the decision made under | :41:38. | :41:42. | |
the previous Prime Minister to stop compulsory work experience in | :41:43. | :41:45. | |
schools, which in the first year led to a drop in 60,000 work express | :41:46. | :41:49. | |
placements in schools across the country and would she look again | :41:50. | :41:55. | |
this? That is a matter for the Department for Education. I think | :41:56. | :42:00. | |
that I do agree that work experience is very important to young people | :42:01. | :42:04. | |
and I'm sure that the Secretary of State will look favourably on that. | :42:05. | :42:08. | |
As far as we are concerned in my department, we are looking to boost | :42:09. | :42:10. | |
the opportunities for lifelong learning, to engender a culture | :42:11. | :42:16. | |
where people can progress in their careers. | :42:17. | :42:20. | |
Before I became a member of Parliament, I was self-employed. I | :42:21. | :42:29. | |
was a self-employed ambassador to the Prime Minister, and I also | :42:30. | :42:32. | |
worked with Matthew Taylor on this report. I found him extremely | :42:33. | :42:37. | |
nonpartisan, a gentleman. What I would like to urge my honourable | :42:38. | :42:41. | |
friend to do, living at the measures for the self-employed, especially | :42:42. | :42:45. | |
with their maternity and paternity benefits in the offering, please | :42:46. | :42:51. | |
accept them. I will certainly take on boards my view based on so many | :42:52. | :42:57. | |
years, and I thank him by his conclusion to this report. | :42:58. | :43:06. | |
Flexibility in the labour market on one side of the coin, but for people | :43:07. | :43:12. | |
in employment on the other side. If we are to see a situation, at the | :43:13. | :43:18. | |
criticism of the Unite union, the insecurities to be the new normal, | :43:19. | :43:25. | |
can the Minister reverse a decision that the Coalition took to extend | :43:26. | :43:31. | |
from one year to two year the threshold? I don't accept the | :43:32. | :43:38. | |
premise in security is the new norm. I think one of the purposes of this | :43:39. | :43:43. | |
report was to look closely at the extent of insecurity and produce | :43:44. | :43:49. | |
some measures, or some recommendations, that might mitigate | :43:50. | :43:53. | |
that where it is not desired by the workers. I will look at the matter | :43:54. | :43:58. | |
he raise, but that is a question that was not actually addressed in | :43:59. | :43:59. | |
this report. Speaking at the launch this morning, | :44:00. | :44:13. | |
Mr Taylor suggested traditional workers like window cleaners can use | :44:14. | :44:17. | |
an application to collect money and apply to HMRC. Why is it that Buber, | :44:18. | :44:29. | |
the most cutting app do not collect the national insurance number of | :44:30. | :44:40. | |
drivers --. I thought the app was one of the most interesting ideas, | :44:41. | :44:47. | |
there are limitations to the current apps available, but in no way was | :44:48. | :44:52. | |
Matthew Taylor advocating they were mandatory, but they should be | :44:53. | :44:54. | |
available in a more sophisticated form than they are now. As a | :44:55. | :45:02. | |
government looks towards the economy, Matthew Taylor's remarks | :45:03. | :45:06. | |
that the welfare system is a mess, and no one outside a government | :45:07. | :45:13. | |
makes it fairer. Kurdish and presenters, we wards for work, | :45:14. | :45:22. | |
increased freedom -- cadets represent rewards for work. It has | :45:23. | :45:27. | |
not been addressed by this report, and I urge him to address his | :45:28. | :45:31. | |
questions to the DWP ministerial team. Matthew Taylor urges the | :45:32. | :45:39. | |
government to look at reducing these, can it urge the Minister to | :45:40. | :45:44. | |
go further, in relation to discrimination, get on with | :45:45. | :45:47. | |
abolishing them and extend the period during which a case can be | :45:48. | :45:52. | |
brought before tribunal is, because a period of pregnancy is a busy | :45:53. | :45:59. | |
time, when you are unlikely to be thinking about a court case. I do | :46:00. | :46:03. | |
agree with her remarks, and I hope she will input her views during the | :46:04. | :46:12. | |
consultation process. Twice the Minister has referred to the fact | :46:13. | :46:16. | |
flexibility seems to work only one way to benefit the employer. Does | :46:17. | :46:20. | |
that flexibility include her government 's failure to prosecute a | :46:21. | :46:23. | |
single employer in Wales last year for flouting the minimum wage rules? | :46:24. | :46:31. | |
I was not saying flexibility was always a one-way street in favour of | :46:32. | :46:38. | |
the employer, I said that was in exceptional cases a real problem | :46:39. | :46:44. | |
that needs addressing. But it is not necessarily the norm. In response to | :46:45. | :46:49. | |
the other matters that she has raised, I urge her to contribute her | :46:50. | :46:52. | |
views as we go over the consultation. When the Minister is | :46:53. | :46:59. | |
considering how to respond to the review, will she talked to her | :47:00. | :47:06. | |
colleagues about the useful time social action review, which is | :47:07. | :47:12. | |
considering the question of long-time volunteering? I realise | :47:13. | :47:16. | |
they are different, but there's quite a considerable overlap, and | :47:17. | :47:20. | |
the question about safeguards and protections is the same in some | :47:21. | :47:25. | |
cases, it seems sensible to wrap the two together. He has some good | :47:26. | :47:29. | |
points to make about volunteering and about the framework that govern | :47:30. | :47:32. | |
said, and I hope he will make these during our consultation. -- that | :47:33. | :47:42. | |
governs it. On workforce protection be extended, or that include | :47:43. | :47:47. | |
secondary contract does, so when one person in a team of three or four as | :47:48. | :47:50. | |
a main contractor, will the depending contractor extended to | :47:51. | :47:56. | |
other people in the team? This might provide a minor blip of people who | :47:57. | :48:00. | |
are self-employed to be independent contractors, but there will be some | :48:01. | :48:03. | |
who see this as an opportunity to downgrade people with employment | :48:04. | :48:08. | |
protection to dependent contractors against their will. The honourable | :48:09. | :48:12. | |
gentleman raises a number of issues, there's no attention to downgrade | :48:13. | :48:17. | |
anybody's rights. We want to be in a position to see copyable's right, | :48:18. | :48:22. | |
certainly not downgrade them. I am sure he will be putting his details, | :48:23. | :48:26. | |
observations in our consultation. This government continues to justify | :48:27. | :48:36. | |
the existence of zero hours contracts on the basis of | :48:37. | :48:39. | |
flexibility, but this could be largely addressed in flexible | :48:40. | :48:46. | |
working can be properly expanded and given a framework for what it means. | :48:47. | :48:52. | |
Will the government use this opportunity to properly expand | :48:53. | :48:54. | |
flexible working and explain what it actually means? I can't accept the | :48:55. | :49:01. | |
premise behind the honourable gentleman's question. We are not | :49:02. | :49:08. | |
seeking to end zero hours contracts because too many people want them. | :49:09. | :49:13. | |
They want the flexibility associated with them, but we are seeking to | :49:14. | :49:21. | |
root out abuse where it exists. The Taylor review recommends the | :49:22. | :49:24. | |
government makes it easier for people in flexible arrangements to | :49:25. | :49:30. | |
take holiday entitlement. Now, the Minister has struggled to explain | :49:31. | :49:34. | |
the government's powers in this area before. Can she tell us what powers | :49:35. | :49:39. | |
to enforce holiday pay currently exist, and with some are fast | :49:40. | :49:44. | |
approaching, will she act on the tenor recommendation swiftly? I | :49:45. | :49:51. | |
reassure her Matthew Taylor has recommended we take the issue of | :49:52. | :49:55. | |
holiday pay seriously and make sure it applies to all workers who are | :49:56. | :50:01. | |
entitled to it. And the Treasury will be taking forward those | :50:02. | :50:08. | |
suggestions. The Minister is writes, the transfer of risk that heart of | :50:09. | :50:15. | |
this problem. Drivers in my constituency are classified as | :50:16. | :50:17. | |
self-employed be treated as employees were about right. Is there | :50:18. | :50:23. | |
anything in the Taylor report which would end the practice of finding | :50:24. | :50:27. | |
the drivers every time there's an accident? If the honourable lady | :50:28. | :50:33. | |
would like to write to me with details of this, it's the first I | :50:34. | :50:40. | |
have heard of this particular, well, practice, yes. It certainly sounds | :50:41. | :50:48. | |
wrong, but I would be delighted to consider it further within the | :50:49. | :50:55. | |
powers that currently exist. On page 11 of the report, Mr Taylor says, we | :50:56. | :51:00. | |
have to examine why with employment levels at record highs, a number of | :51:01. | :51:04. | |
people living in poverty are in work. The government's practice has | :51:05. | :51:11. | |
been that when asked about poverty, the government have responded with | :51:12. | :51:14. | |
statistics about employment and unemployment. Will the government | :51:15. | :51:19. | |
finally accept such a thing as in work poverty only exist, it is a | :51:20. | :51:23. | |
brutal fact of life for millions of people on these islands? We have | :51:24. | :51:27. | |
always been absolutely committed to reducing poverty where ever it is | :51:28. | :51:31. | |
exists, and the national living wage has gone a long way to provide | :51:32. | :51:36. | |
workers with a framework beneath which they need not seek, sink into | :51:37. | :51:41. | |
poverty. I would urge the honourable gentleman to consider that further. | :51:42. | :51:49. | |
As someone who's done a view gigs in his time, can I urge the Minister | :51:50. | :51:53. | |
you to reject this think tank jargon of the phrase depending contractor? | :51:54. | :51:58. | |
Workers were, workers are workers. Depending contractor is the world | :51:59. | :52:03. | |
unite, you have nothing to lose but your change, it's not going to | :52:04. | :52:07. | |
change anything. For those new members not aware of the musical | :52:08. | :52:10. | |
distinction of the honourable gentleman he was pose a question, I | :52:11. | :52:14. | |
can inform him, he's a very member of the Parliamentary rock bands, and | :52:15. | :52:20. | |
colleagues haven't heard of the band, they haven't fully lived, and | :52:21. | :52:24. | |
I hope they will hear the band in due course, preferably in Speaker 's | :52:25. | :52:27. | |
house where it is played before, and will be played again. He mentions | :52:28. | :52:34. | |
that the two independent contractor. This was a recommendation designed | :52:35. | :52:38. | |
to improve clarity and to improve the chances of workers getting the | :52:39. | :52:43. | |
rights to which they are entitled. It is just that, just a | :52:44. | :52:47. | |
recommendation and he is free to lobby against our acceptance of it | :52:48. | :52:49. | |
during the course of our consultation. I welcome the | :52:50. | :52:56. | |
acknowledgements in the report that employment Tribunal fees are a | :52:57. | :52:58. | |
barrier to justice, so whilst it so positive that the report recommends | :52:59. | :53:04. | |
them to establish employment stasis, what is there to make sure quality | :53:05. | :53:12. | |
representation in the tribunal? It'd also the case once that status has | :53:13. | :53:16. | |
been that the will still have to beat paid? One of the recommendation | :53:17. | :53:23. | |
is up before an employee takes a case before a tribunal, there is | :53:24. | :53:28. | |
firm advice as to what the employee's statuses in reality. That | :53:29. | :53:34. | |
word, I think, and a huge amount of uncertainty and unnecessary expense. | :53:35. | :53:38. | |
We will consider that as well as all the other recommendations in this | :53:39. | :53:42. | |
excellent report, which I do commend to the House, I did find much of it | :53:43. | :53:46. | |
inspiring and I do hope we can all work together to improve the quality | :53:47. | :53:50. | |
of work in this country, as well as the number of jobs. A point of | :53:51. | :54:00. | |
order. Mr Speaker, would it be in order for a minister to attend the | :54:01. | :54:04. | |
House and give a statement as to why it is there is no one authority with | :54:05. | :54:09. | |
responsibility for the safety of rivers and canals? Last night, my | :54:10. | :54:16. | |
12-year-old constituent, Elwyn Jenkins, died come he drowns at | :54:17. | :54:21. | |
Beeston Weir. It appears he went into the River Trent to assist | :54:22. | :54:25. | |
another youngster who got into difficulty in the water. Mr Speaker, | :54:26. | :54:30. | |
it looks like this was an act of great courage and great bravery from | :54:31. | :54:34. | |
a remarkable young man, and I'm sure the whole house will join me in | :54:35. | :54:38. | |
sending our heartfelt condolences to his family, his friends and all the | :54:39. | :54:42. | |
other pupils at Chilwell school. Summer is here, the schools are now | :54:43. | :54:50. | |
breaking of the summer holidays. And yet rivers, canals, quarries, ponds, | :54:51. | :54:55. | |
lakes all dangerous places potentially, especially for children | :54:56. | :55:00. | |
and youngsters. But there's no one authority that has responsibility | :55:01. | :55:03. | |
for safety. I think the Minister should come along and explain how we | :55:04. | :55:07. | |
can make sure that all those places are safe for all of us, especially | :55:08. | :55:12. | |
young people. I'm grateful to the right honourable lady for her point | :55:13. | :55:17. | |
of order and for her courtesy in giving me advance notice of | :55:18. | :55:23. | |
intention to rated. She has paid warm and eloquent tribute to young | :55:24. | :55:28. | |
Elwyn Jenkins, to whom she rightly says, and I'm sure she speaks for | :55:29. | :55:34. | |
all of us, we wish to send to all his friends and family our deepest | :55:35. | :55:38. | |
condolences, and we want to remember the very remarkable courage that he | :55:39. | :55:44. | |
showed. I am not aware of any intention on the part of the | :55:45. | :55:47. | |
Minister to come to the House to make a statement on the matter, but | :55:48. | :55:50. | |
the right honourable lady asked whether it would be in order for a | :55:51. | :55:53. | |
minister to do so. It certainly would. We still have several sitting | :55:54. | :55:59. | |
days. And I think of a minister were to come to the House to make a | :56:00. | :56:04. | |
statement on that matter, to explain the delineation of functions or | :56:05. | :56:07. | |
allocation of responsibility and to answer questions on the matter, that | :56:08. | :56:12. | |
would be well received by the House. And, if they say, it would be well | :56:13. | :56:17. | |
received by the family of young Owen Jenkins. I understand the Prime | :56:18. | :56:26. | |
Minister has announced that is to be a judge led public enquiry into the | :56:27. | :56:31. | |
contaminated blood scandal. Wouldn't it have been better if that | :56:32. | :56:35. | |
announcement had been made just once in this House to honourable members? | :56:36. | :56:42. | |
The short answer is, it is better if the key announcements of policy all | :56:43. | :56:49. | |
other government intends are communicated first of the House, | :56:50. | :56:53. | |
when the houses in session. I am not aware because I been attending to my | :56:54. | :56:57. | |
duties in the chair of that announcement. If that is so, it may | :56:58. | :57:04. | |
very well be it will be warmly welcomed, but the honourable | :57:05. | :57:06. | |
gentleman and asked me a specific question to which I have given him a | :57:07. | :57:11. | |
specific answer. Yesterday, when the honourable lady, the member of the | :57:12. | :57:20. | |
Kingston upon Hull North, sought leave to secure an emergency debate | :57:21. | :57:28. | |
on a specific and important matter, namely her sense of the need for a | :57:29. | :57:34. | |
full public enquiry into the contaminated blood scandal, there | :57:35. | :57:39. | |
have been no such announcement. I judge that it was indeed a proper | :57:40. | :57:44. | |
matter, to be debated under the terms of standing order 24, and | :57:45. | :57:48. | |
notwithstanding any announcement outside of the House, an indication | :57:49. | :57:55. | |
of Parliamentary opinion on the subject remains in feel extremely | :57:56. | :57:58. | |
germane and arguably just as urgent. I agreed yesterday but the health | :57:59. | :58:10. | |
gave its approval to the honourable lady to pursue this matter and I | :58:11. | :58:13. | |
felt and I still feel that it warranted and it warrants up to | :58:14. | :58:17. | |
three hours of debate today. So I'm grateful to the honourable gentleman | :58:18. | :58:23. | |
but it certainly does not persuade us from a proper and conferences | :58:24. | :58:28. | |
focus on this matter now. We proceed to the emergency debate and I call | :58:29. | :58:37. | |
first Diana Johnson. Thank you, Mr Speaker. I beg to move that this | :58:38. | :58:42. | |
House is considered the need for an independent public enquiry into the | :58:43. | :58:46. | |
contaminated blood scandal. Can I first start by thanking you, Mr | :58:47. | :58:49. | |
Speaker, to allow this emergency debate? This is the first time that | :58:50. | :58:53. | |
has been emergency debate on economic contaminated blood scandal | :58:54. | :58:59. | |
and it arises after criminal actions produced by the Right Honourable | :59:00. | :59:03. | |
Andy Burnham and a joint letter calling for a Hillsborough style | :59:04. | :59:10. | |
inquiry? After the announcement from Downing Street this lunchtime, it | :59:11. | :59:14. | |
may become an even more popular route to get the Government to | :59:15. | :59:20. | |
listen and act in the future. Like the Government announcement that | :59:21. | :59:25. | |
there is to be a full enquiry into this scandal, I want to start by | :59:26. | :59:28. | |
acknowledging all of those people who've been involved in getting us | :59:29. | :59:31. | |
to this point. I want to start with my own constituent Glenn Wilkinson. | :59:32. | :59:38. | |
For his persistence and determination, when he came to see | :59:39. | :59:44. | |
me in 2010 to tell me his story, I think he has really been the person | :59:45. | :59:49. | |
who I have always kept at the centre of whatever I have attempted to do | :59:50. | :59:55. | |
on this issue. I also want to thank the many, many individuals and | :59:56. | :59:58. | |
campaign groups who have fought for years to get to this point. Manor | :59:59. | :00:06. | |
house, tainted blood, contaminated blood campaign. I want to thank the | :00:07. | :00:10. | |
chief executive Liz Carroll and Jefferson Courtney the public | :00:11. | :00:16. | |
affairs officer. There are over 2400 individuals who tragically lost | :00:17. | :00:21. | |
their lives. They are not here to see this announcement but their | :00:22. | :00:24. | |
voices than through their family members who have never given up | :00:25. | :00:28. | |
fighting for them. They also want to say something about journalists | :00:29. | :00:32. | |
because I think this campaign that has run so many years has, at times, | :00:33. | :00:40. | |
without the great benefit of brilliant investigative journalist | :00:41. | :00:41. | |
including Caroline Wheeler of the Sunday Times he was formally a | :00:42. | :00:46. | |
correspondent on the holed Daily Mail. We have been many researchers | :00:47. | :00:54. | |
and journalists who did into disaster a few months ago. And the | :00:55. | :00:59. | |
Daily Mail, not a favourite of yours, Mr Speaker, they ran a very | :01:00. | :01:02. | |
good story on the front of their paper last week. I will give way in | :01:03. | :01:07. | |
one moment. I want to continue with this point around thanking people. I | :01:08. | :01:13. | |
want to particularly thank the average 11 parliamentarians who are | :01:14. | :01:17. | |
members of the eight BGG tried haemophiliac contaminated blood. I | :01:18. | :01:24. | |
want to thank my co-chair, the previous chair Jason McCartney who | :01:25. | :01:29. | |
is no longer a member of this House, Margaret Ritchie and Mark Durkan who | :01:30. | :01:32. | |
are no longer members of this House that were very vocal in the campaign | :01:33. | :01:37. | |
said theirs. And, of course, I have to say a really big thank you to the | :01:38. | :01:41. | |
Right Honourable Andy Burnham who in the battery speech made up clearly | :01:42. | :01:48. | |
why this is unfinished business and we need to have a public enquiry. I | :01:49. | :01:53. | |
want to thank the late Right Honourable Paul Goggins who was a | :01:54. | :01:57. | |
huge inspiration in this cause. Thank you. My honourable friend is | :01:58. | :02:04. | |
completely right to thank all of these people but there is one person | :02:05. | :02:07. | |
missing from that list and that is herself. I think the whole house | :02:08. | :02:12. | |
should thank the honourable lady for the tireless work she has done over | :02:13. | :02:15. | |
the last seven years on this. An utterly brilliant campaign. This | :02:16. | :02:19. | |
shows how Parliament really should work. Her constituent has raised an | :02:20. | :02:23. | |
issue with her, she has campaigned on it nonstop, she has not been | :02:24. | :02:26. | |
fobbed off, she has proceeded and she has brought as, I think she has | :02:27. | :02:31. | |
played a huge role in bringing us to this point today. Last night, I had | :02:32. | :02:35. | |
a load of e-mails from constituents who have been affected by this | :02:36. | :02:39. | |
scandal and I want to tell her how grateful they are to her for the | :02:40. | :02:44. | |
work she has done. I am very grateful to my honourable friend for | :02:45. | :02:48. | |
those comments, but I think it was a combined effort of so many people | :02:49. | :02:51. | |
over so many years. I will give way to my honourable friend. I would | :02:52. | :02:56. | |
like to pay my own tribute to my honourable friend, she has been | :02:57. | :02:59. | |
absolutely hugged in her determination of not giving up and I | :03:00. | :03:04. | |
have two in my own mind who came to see me in a similar circumstance, if | :03:05. | :03:10. | |
he had not come to see me as I know many other constituents have on both | :03:11. | :03:14. | |
sides of the House, I would not been aware of this scandal, let alone | :03:15. | :03:16. | |
strained the need to deal with it. Will she drove me in paying tribute | :03:17. | :03:22. | |
to national and regional groups have done so much to stand for those | :03:23. | :03:25. | |
affected in particular locations like Wales and is up some of the | :03:26. | :03:30. | |
difficulties in that this was a legacy issue from UK Department of | :03:31. | :03:34. | |
Health and the competition is now a devolved health services across the | :03:35. | :03:36. | |
catering at some of its questions that we will need to address in | :03:37. | :03:42. | |
terms of this enquiry. I think my honourable friend make that point | :03:43. | :03:45. | |
very well. I want to use the shoe today to make a few comments about | :03:46. | :03:51. | |
the way we handle disasters and to say something about how I think the | :03:52. | :03:55. | |
best way forward in terms of a Hillsborough style inquiry should be | :03:56. | :03:59. | |
established by the Government. Yes, I will give way. I am very grateful | :04:00. | :04:04. | |
and I add my congratulations to the honourable lady for her brilliant | :04:05. | :04:09. | |
leadership on this. Does she agree with me that was this incredibly | :04:10. | :04:13. | |
welcome these, there is an urgency because those people who continue to | :04:14. | :04:18. | |
suffer need help now and there's a danger that this process could go on | :04:19. | :04:21. | |
for years and leave them still waiting for support? I think the | :04:22. | :04:28. | |
writer aboard gentleman makes it an important point and I think the | :04:29. | :04:32. | |
timetabling of any inquiry Berenice Abbott needs to be set up clearly | :04:33. | :04:36. | |
and I hope the e-mail server will be able to help us Visser contribution. | :04:37. | :04:40. | |
I thank my honourable friend forgiving way on that point. I want | :04:41. | :04:46. | |
to add my congratulations to her and Andy Burnham. This has been going on | :04:47. | :04:51. | |
for a long time. Has she had any indication from number ten Downing | :04:52. | :04:55. | |
St what form this enquiry is going to take? Because some of my | :04:56. | :04:58. | |
constituents have got similar problems to her constituents. Can | :04:59. | :05:02. | |
she give us any clarification on that? I have only seen, like every | :05:03. | :05:06. | |
other member of the House, what is out in the media which is there's | :05:07. | :05:11. | |
going to be a consultation, I understand, what form the inquiry | :05:12. | :05:14. | |
will take. But I'm sure the Minister will be able to help us in his | :05:15. | :05:19. | |
contribution later on. I will give way and then I will move on. I am | :05:20. | :05:25. | |
grateful to the honourable lady then moving on and I would like to join | :05:26. | :05:28. | |
into triggers to hand the all-party group of which I've been a member. I | :05:29. | :05:31. | |
think it is an example of how Parliament can work well. There is a | :05:32. | :05:36. | |
family who've said as a family we have suffered years of misery | :05:37. | :05:40. | |
because of this scandal and does she not agree with me that is right to | :05:41. | :05:44. | |
consult the victims and their families about the form the inquiry? | :05:45. | :05:49. | |
Absolutely. The honourable gentlemen makes a good point there as well and | :05:50. | :05:53. | |
I will come onto that is or what I want to say. I want to make some | :05:54. | :05:57. | |
general comments. I do not need to remind the House of the damage that | :05:58. | :06:01. | |
public disasters close all those affected. We know from the health | :06:02. | :06:07. | |
but tragedy in 1989 and more recently the appalling fire Grenfell | :06:08. | :06:11. | |
Tower. Every public disasters this kind is different. The courses are | :06:12. | :06:14. | |
different, the victim suffer in different ways and the measures | :06:15. | :06:21. | |
necessary to support them differs also. Then there is one thing that I | :06:22. | :06:25. | |
think every victim has an every right to and that is the right to | :06:26. | :06:29. | |
answers. They deserve to be told what went wrong, why it went wrong | :06:30. | :06:33. | |
and who is responsible for what happened. The story of the injustice | :06:34. | :06:37. | |
they have suffered also needs to be set up and told to the wider public. | :06:38. | :06:43. | |
Their voices need to be heard. Apologies, compensation and other | :06:44. | :06:47. | |
forms of support are essential. But if their right to answers is not | :06:48. | :06:52. | |
also satisfied, I feel they will be denied true and meaningful justice. | :06:53. | :06:59. | |
I will give way. A powerful case thank her for all the work she has | :07:00. | :07:03. | |
done. She said at the beginning, many victims have died. It is now | :07:04. | :07:08. | |
their families that are still here but they are still grieving and they | :07:09. | :07:13. | |
need answers as much as the victims. My honourable friend is absolutely | :07:14. | :07:18. | |
right on that. I just want to go back to the fact that this tragedy, | :07:19. | :07:22. | |
as my honourable friend has said, has taken the lives of over 2400 | :07:23. | :07:26. | |
people with haemophiliac. Infected mainly from blood factor | :07:27. | :07:30. | |
concentrates. Many others, without bleeding disorders, who've been | :07:31. | :07:35. | |
affected through bludgeon and Susan is another means have also lost | :07:36. | :07:39. | |
their lives. -- blood transfusions and other means. They are left to | :07:40. | :07:46. | |
live a combination of HIV, hepatitis B and a range of other viruses. Mike | :07:47. | :07:52. | |
constituent, Glenn Wilkinson, is one such individual. He has haemophiliac | :07:53. | :07:59. | |
and he was infected with hepatitis C during a routine tooth operation. | :08:00. | :08:02. | |
Glenn is one of thousands of people who have fallen victim to the worst | :08:03. | :08:06. | |
treatment disaster in the history of our NHS on one of the worst | :08:07. | :08:10. | |
peacetime disasters that has ever taken place in this country. Indeed | :08:11. | :08:16. | |
when I was looking through the 15 also non-terrorist related public | :08:17. | :08:22. | |
disasters ranging from the brat from split the stadium fire to the | :08:23. | :08:29. | |
Clapham junction crash, and of course Hillsborough, each of these | :08:30. | :08:32. | |
were tragic events and they do not wish to detract from the magnitude | :08:33. | :08:35. | |
of those events, but the House should note that an orderly once I | :08:36. | :08:41. | |
looking at, all of those devices led to a public enquiry. An Arab members | :08:42. | :08:46. | |
and their effective constituents are entitled to ask why has the same not | :08:47. | :08:50. | |
happened with contaminated blood. Had more than 2400 people died over | :08:51. | :08:56. | |
the course of one day, or one year, it would have been inconceivable for | :08:57. | :08:59. | |
any Government to refuse calls for a public enquiry. Yet the devastation | :09:00. | :09:04. | |
caused by the contaminated blood scandal has been spread not over | :09:05. | :09:09. | |
days or years but over several decades. We must also bear in mind | :09:10. | :09:13. | |
the provided a fact that the scandal has had on one community, those with | :09:14. | :09:18. | |
bleeding disorders. Many of whom who were provided with contaminated mud | :09:19. | :09:24. | |
factor concentrates sourced from profit-making American firms. | :09:25. | :09:27. | |
Virtually everyone who has haemophiliac the time he has been | :09:28. | :09:32. | |
infected. Honourable member 's will appreciate that when friends and | :09:33. | :09:35. | |
close the communities I hit by collective tragedy, its impact can | :09:36. | :09:41. | |
be devastating. Consider, for example, the school for disabled | :09:42. | :09:44. | |
children, special school with a large number of pupils with | :09:45. | :09:49. | |
haemophiliac, 72 of its peoples have died because of this scandal. Many | :09:50. | :09:55. | |
were forced to be silent to suffering, I prefer the of the | :09:56. | :09:58. | |
stigma of having HIV or hepatitis C or other viruses or because they | :09:59. | :10:02. | |
were not even aware that they had these conditions. It is important as | :10:03. | :10:09. | |
this distinction is, it does not excuse the fact that successive | :10:10. | :10:12. | |
governments of all colours have sidestepped this issue for too long. | :10:13. | :10:18. | |
Internationally, we know in France, investigations will be imprisonment | :10:19. | :10:22. | |
as the former head of their blood transfusion service and his deputy | :10:23. | :10:25. | |
and a former health minister was found guilty of manslaughter. In | :10:26. | :10:30. | |
Japan, three executives at companies were imprisoned and official was | :10:31. | :10:34. | |
convicted on negligence charges and in the United States, the private | :10:35. | :10:38. | |
companies involved in this tragedy paid out millions in out-of-court | :10:39. | :10:43. | |
settlements across the world. But nothing of this kind of happened in | :10:44. | :10:47. | |
the UK. I will finish this point. In 1991, in response to the threat of | :10:48. | :10:53. | |
court cases, the Government set up an excretion payments scheme, no | :10:54. | :10:59. | |
implication of liability, the word compensation and waivers had to be | :11:00. | :11:04. | |
signed before they could obtain small sums of money. I thank the | :11:05. | :11:10. | |
honourable lady for giving way. Mike constituent who does not wish to be | :11:11. | :11:15. | |
name was to include the remit of the Skipton fund because she feels and | :11:16. | :11:18. | |
many others do the remit was wrongly drawn up and she and others have | :11:19. | :11:22. | |
been denied the dust as they should have had. Yes, the honourable lady | :11:23. | :11:26. | |
makes an important point and I'm going to mention that. I will give | :11:27. | :11:32. | |
way. Congratulate her on the work she has done on this issue, and I | :11:33. | :11:35. | |
welcome the factors there is good to be a public inquiry eventually and | :11:36. | :11:39. | |
at last. Does my honourable friend agree with me that this public | :11:40. | :11:42. | |
inquiry should address the issues of why the UK was the last country in | :11:43. | :11:47. | |
the Western world to introduce a test for hepatitis C? Wife vital | :11:48. | :11:52. | |
documents were destroyed by the Department of Health and why the UK | :11:53. | :11:55. | |
took 13 years to get self-sufficiency in blood products | :11:56. | :11:58. | |
when it took Ireland over five years? Again, very important | :11:59. | :12:03. | |
questions for the inquiry to deal with. I want turnout today's | :12:04. | :12:09. | |
announcement and the joint Westminster leader's letter of the | :12:10. | :12:13. | |
7th of July. Which I think provided a blueprint for how such an enquiry | :12:14. | :12:20. | |
should be conducted. First of all, as with Hillsborough, commitment, | :12:21. | :12:23. | |
there should be a commitment to secure full public disclosure of | :12:24. | :12:26. | |
details relating to this tragedy through a process managed by the | :12:27. | :12:30. | |
effective community. There should be a mechanism to ensure all public | :12:31. | :12:34. | |
bodies involved in the scandal are compelled to give oral and written | :12:35. | :12:38. | |
evidence to it, you should see to be given that it will cover the role of | :12:39. | :12:43. | |
American firms in providing blood factor concentrated people with | :12:44. | :12:47. | |
haemophiliac, an investigation or so, not just about the run-up to the | :12:48. | :12:52. | |
scandal, but its actual aftermath. And finally, it has to like these | :12:53. | :12:56. | |
allegations of criminal conduct and I hope, as I said a little early on, | :12:57. | :13:01. | |
the Minister will be able to help us with the timetable for this inquiry | :13:02. | :13:03. | |
as those affected have I do pay tribute to the | :13:04. | :13:18. | |
Parliamentary group, and NMI concert to rent is grateful to her and other | :13:19. | :13:26. | |
MPs -- and I know my constituent is grateful. On health records, my | :13:27. | :13:32. | |
constituent, who has access to a husband's health records. Does she | :13:33. | :13:37. | |
agree with me that those affected through the scandal showed get their | :13:38. | :13:44. | |
family health records? The honourable gentleman makes an | :13:45. | :13:52. | |
important point, they with it. I pay tribute to the Member for the | :13:53. | :13:59. | |
outstanding leadership here shown on this important issue. My constituent | :14:00. | :14:03. | |
has been affected by this. There's a great deal been said about the | :14:04. | :14:09. | |
responsible government, the cover-up, but also the moral way the | :14:10. | :14:17. | |
victim has been treated. We get many living in destitution and poverty as | :14:18. | :14:20. | |
a result of the government penny-pinching, when actually that | :14:21. | :14:26. | |
should be part of the review. He is correct, we need to look carefully | :14:27. | :14:30. | |
at the support being provided in the past and what should be provided in | :14:31. | :14:37. | |
the future. I will give way, two more times. I'd like to add my | :14:38. | :14:47. | |
thanks, Hayden who died, and other members of the family. Would she | :14:48. | :14:52. | |
agree that we should learn from the lessons of the thalidomide enquiry | :14:53. | :14:56. | |
and compensation fund in this enquiry to make sure we don't repeat | :14:57. | :15:02. | |
the mistakes made with thalidomide? That is an excellent point that | :15:03. | :15:05. | |
needs to be considered. I will give away one last time. I'd like to pay | :15:06. | :15:12. | |
tribute on behalf of my constituents, James Jones. In the | :15:13. | :15:21. | |
Welsh Assembly, there was confirmation that the payments | :15:22. | :15:28. | |
continue to be made, that no liability is accepted. And again, it | :15:29. | :15:36. | |
confirms the payment of 10,000 to a partner, that continues again. That | :15:37. | :15:43. | |
goes to the heart of it, there's never been any finding of liability. | :15:44. | :15:47. | |
That has resulted in very low payments being made and it kind of | :15:48. | :15:52. | |
support bases, rather than a compensatory basis. I just want to | :15:53. | :16:00. | |
Ritter eight -- reiterates, that I strongly believe, and I think the | :16:01. | :16:06. | |
majority believe, that a Hillsborough style enquiry is the | :16:07. | :16:11. | |
best way forward in this case. Putting those affected at the heart | :16:12. | :16:17. | |
of whatever is created and set up. So, for instance, giving people the | :16:18. | :16:21. | |
opportunity to have an input into the terms of reference, being able | :16:22. | :16:24. | |
to look at people who might be considered to be a chairperson of | :16:25. | :16:31. | |
the inquiry, or any panel members. This has to have the support and | :16:32. | :16:36. | |
confidence of all those affected, that's why looking at what happened | :16:37. | :16:41. | |
with a Hillsborough style enquiry, the Hillsborough enquiry, that | :16:42. | :16:45. | |
worked effectively. In Hillsborough, it was known as families first. And | :16:46. | :16:50. | |
I hope that might be able to carry on with this enquiry as to set up. | :16:51. | :16:56. | |
So, I also think all those affected need to be treated with the utmost | :16:57. | :17:01. | |
respect and reverence and fully consulted. And any information that | :17:02. | :17:05. | |
becomes available should first of all go to those people affected. I | :17:06. | :17:13. | |
want to just talk about the Fall questions I have around, but I think | :17:14. | :17:18. | |
the enquiring need to look at -- Fall. In Andy Burnham's speech, when | :17:19. | :17:23. | |
he set out the case for why they needed to be an inquiry, and he was | :17:24. | :17:27. | |
one of two former Health Secretary 's comedy of being Lord Irwin, who | :17:28. | :17:34. | |
had raised serious concerns, and we know there was the panorama | :17:35. | :17:38. | |
programme and the Daily Mail article. From what Andy Burnham said | :17:39. | :17:44. | |
and from all the developments in the last few months, there are serious | :17:45. | :17:50. | |
questions which I still believe need to be addressed by public enquiry. | :17:51. | :17:55. | |
First of all, why did the government not act soon to protect the blood | :17:56. | :17:59. | |
supplies once the risks became known? Why were we so reliant on | :18:00. | :18:04. | |
American commercial products the haemophilia patient? Because UK was | :18:05. | :18:09. | |
not self-sufficient in blood supplies, profit-making American | :18:10. | :18:13. | |
companies played a considerable role in supplying factor concentrates the | :18:14. | :18:17. | |
haemophilia patients. This blood was sourced from much riskier patients, | :18:18. | :18:21. | |
including prison inmates, who were much more likely to have infections | :18:22. | :18:25. | |
and had a financial incentive to be less than honest about their risks | :18:26. | :18:28. | |
of infection. The dangers American products were being discussed, not | :18:29. | :18:37. | |
from the 1990s, nor the 1980s, but from 1970. As the Daily Mail | :18:38. | :18:41. | |
reported last week, files now suggested at least as early as 1980, | :18:42. | :18:46. | |
officials had even put an estimate on about haemophilia patients being | :18:47. | :18:49. | |
infected from these products, with what we now know to be hepatitis C. | :18:50. | :18:54. | |
They put the figure at 50 a year, yet it was not until night they took | :18:55. | :18:59. | |
any action to address it. If the whole of the UK had been | :19:00. | :19:03. | |
self-sufficient in blood supplies, fewer haemophilia patients would | :19:04. | :19:08. | |
have been affected. We know this because Scotland had higher levels | :19:09. | :19:12. | |
of self-sufficiency than England. As the Panorama programme outline, | :19:13. | :19:19. | |
haemophilia patients were twice as likely to be infected in HIV than in | :19:20. | :19:24. | |
Scotland. Even in the mid-1980s, when the danger of hepatitis C and a | :19:25. | :19:28. | |
Chevy became known, it appears we could have acted sooner to remove | :19:29. | :19:33. | |
products, and when United States started screening their products | :19:34. | :19:39. | |
from March 1983, we carried on using non-screened American supplies that | :19:40. | :19:45. | |
we had purchased before March. How can that possibly be justified? So | :19:46. | :19:50. | |
my second question for the inquiry, why were patients kept in the dark | :19:51. | :19:54. | |
and not told of the risks once they became known? There are many aspects | :19:55. | :19:58. | |
of this controversy which I know other honourable members may wish to | :19:59. | :20:02. | |
touch on. But I want to draw the attention to the development 1983 at | :20:03. | :20:06. | |
the midst of the AIDS epidemic where there were still uncertainty about | :20:07. | :20:09. | |
whether it was a blood-borne disease. In November 1983, the | :20:10. | :20:14. | |
health minister and still the right honourable member Rushcliffe told | :20:15. | :20:18. | |
Parliament that there was no conclusive evidence AIDS is | :20:19. | :20:22. | |
transmitted by blood products. Yet earlier that same year his | :20:23. | :20:25. | |
department was repairing internal documents which said the opposite. | :20:26. | :20:32. | |
In August 1983 the same departments was telling practising homosexuals | :20:33. | :20:36. | |
and drug users not to give blood because of the risk of transmitting | :20:37. | :20:41. | |
AIDS. In the summer of 83, the department was preparing a blood | :20:42. | :20:45. | |
donor leaflet which said AIDS was almost certainly transmitted by | :20:46. | :20:49. | |
blood and blood products. In July in Italy to free the UK haemophilia | :20:50. | :20:55. | |
centre doctors organisation said young children with haemophilia | :20:56. | :20:58. | |
should receive a less risky form blood products because of the | :20:59. | :21:03. | |
dangers of AIDS. And between March and May 1983, the Scottish National | :21:04. | :21:07. | |
Party transfusion service prepared a leaflet for blood donors. It | :21:08. | :21:11. | |
included haemophiliacs and recipients are blood transfusions on | :21:12. | :21:16. | |
this are people who get AIDS and asked the same individuals not to | :21:17. | :21:22. | |
give blood. The Penrose enquiry, the Scottish Penrose enquiry, | :21:23. | :21:26. | |
acknowledged in adopting its position in November 1983, the then | :21:27. | :21:30. | |
government relied heavily on a highly nuanced use of language. My | :21:31. | :21:36. | |
third point is, why were some people tested for viruses without their | :21:37. | :21:39. | |
knowledge, and only told of the results of many years later? There | :21:40. | :21:43. | |
are many cases of this happening and I will make reference to one, | :21:44. | :21:49. | |
Jonathan Evans, he was first tested positive HIV in 1984, yet he wasn't | :21:50. | :21:53. | |
all that this until seven months later in the mid-1985 period. This | :21:54. | :21:57. | |
poses a huge health risk to his wide family and the history of this | :21:58. | :22:01. | |
scandal is full of cases of spouses infecting each other. Tragically, | :22:02. | :22:07. | |
the virus took his life and his son Jason was just Fall years old when | :22:08. | :22:12. | |
his father died, he is still campaigning for justice -- four | :22:13. | :22:16. | |
years old. He's been instrumental in generating coverage in the Daily | :22:17. | :22:21. | |
Mail article. Fourthly, there are allegations of a criminal cover-up | :22:22. | :22:24. | |
on an industrial scale from the highest ranks of government | :22:25. | :22:28. | |
downwards. At every stage of the scandal, there are concerns | :22:29. | :22:31. | |
officials knew more than they were letting on, almost everyone affected | :22:32. | :22:35. | |
by the scandal has encountered issues with most medical records. | :22:36. | :22:39. | |
Others have recovered files only to find any mention of a connection | :22:40. | :22:43. | |
with contaminated blood being removed. Some individuals today are | :22:44. | :22:48. | |
unable to access financial support via the Skipton fund because of what | :22:49. | :22:59. | |
has happened to their medical records. These cases of lost records | :23:00. | :23:01. | |
also extend to the highest level of government. Jeremy Archer enquiry, | :23:02. | :23:03. | |
Lord Owen requested his departmental papers from the time he was health | :23:04. | :23:06. | |
minister 1970s. He told they'd been destroyed under the ten-year rule. | :23:07. | :23:09. | |
Even though there is no evidence of such a rule existing. Finally, when | :23:10. | :23:15. | |
people were forced to sign waivers in 1991, as I mentioned earlier, | :23:16. | :23:19. | |
they were asked to commit to no further legal action for hepatitis C | :23:20. | :23:24. | |
litigation as well as HIV. These individuals did not yet know they | :23:25. | :23:28. | |
had hepatitis C, as the disease had a long incubation period. The | :23:29. | :23:34. | |
inescapable conclusion seems to be departmental officials knew more | :23:35. | :23:37. | |
than they were willing to disclose. In conclusion, earlier this week, | :23:38. | :23:42. | |
the Prime Minister indicated her intention to work more with other | :23:43. | :23:45. | |
party leaders, to act in the best interests of the country. And she | :23:46. | :23:51. | |
has shown a laudable commitment to this with respect for other public | :23:52. | :23:56. | |
disasters, including the child abuse enquiry and the Hillsborough | :23:57. | :23:59. | |
disaster. Alongside the many thousands of people who have for | :24:00. | :24:04. | |
justice for so long, I want to personally thank the showing the | :24:05. | :24:08. | |
same commitment with respect to the contaminated blood tragedy. There | :24:09. | :24:11. | |
are still questions to answered on the detail of that enquiry, in | :24:12. | :24:17. | |
Rockingham this announcement we must be mindful of those who will never | :24:18. | :24:21. | |
see its result -- in a welcoming. The people who are tragically lost | :24:22. | :24:25. | |
their lives, many never knew the true scale of the scandal happening | :24:26. | :24:31. | |
to them. Those affected and their families will be waiting anxiously | :24:32. | :24:35. | |
to go the Prime Minister's announcement will give them the | :24:36. | :24:37. | |
justice they have so long be denied. But today, the Prime Minister has | :24:38. | :24:44. | |
earned a place in history as someone who has listened to an issue which | :24:45. | :24:48. | |
predecessors had ignored and put party politics aside in the name of | :24:49. | :24:54. | |
giving the people the basic right to answers, and for that she has my | :24:55. | :25:00. | |
gratitude. The question is, this House has considered the need for an | :25:01. | :25:05. | |
independent public enquiry into the contaminated blood scandal. Just | :25:06. | :25:09. | |
before I call the first speaker from the backbench, I should say that at | :25:10. | :25:12. | |
this stage, I've not impose any formal time-limit, but a number of | :25:13. | :25:18. | |
people wish to contribute and therefore I know the honourable | :25:19. | :25:22. | |
gentleman the Stratford-upon-Avon will exercise a magnificent | :25:23. | :25:26. | |
self-denying Ordinance in the length of his oration. Do we really have to | :25:27. | :25:33. | |
have it? I know what I'm doing, I'm capable of handling it. If it is | :25:34. | :25:38. | |
about the order of speeches. No, no, I did see to be advised by the right | :25:39. | :25:42. | |
honourable gentleman. Let me just say, insofar as this was unclear, it | :25:43. | :25:47. | |
was as a result of a failure of communication between the two | :25:48. | :25:50. | |
frontbenchers. These matters should be sorted out between the government | :25:51. | :25:55. | |
on the opposition, not for people yapping at each other across the | :25:56. | :25:59. | |
floor of the House, or very close to the Speaker's chair. The Speaker is | :26:00. | :26:03. | |
happy to give effect to what the two sides of the House and want within | :26:04. | :26:09. | |
reason, that was not made easy on this occasion. I'm to address the | :26:10. | :26:13. | |
matter by consensus, I know the right honourable member means well | :26:14. | :26:18. | |
and is offer is appreciated, but I don't need to take him up on it. Go | :26:19. | :26:27. | |
girl can I join colleagues to pay tribute to the member of Kingston | :26:28. | :26:31. | |
upon Hull North and the work she has done reading the all-party group, as | :26:32. | :26:37. | |
well as the Member for Worthing West, who has been a joint chairman | :26:38. | :26:44. | |
of the all-party group? I have been working with the victims in my | :26:45. | :26:52. | |
constituency since 2011. Super the last six years. I consider myself a | :26:53. | :26:59. | |
new Boye when it comes to this particular tragedy and scandal. The | :27:00. | :27:06. | |
Member for North East Bedfordshire has spent many, many hours | :27:07. | :27:12. | |
tirelessly working on behalf of his consistency, and may I pay tribute | :27:13. | :27:17. | |
to him? I know he'd want to be in this debate but he couldn't because | :27:18. | :27:18. | |
of government business. I really want to just thank the | :27:19. | :27:30. | |
Prime Minister for listening to the victims of this extraordinary | :27:31. | :27:37. | |
tragedy. And colleagues in this house, and actually really calling | :27:38. | :27:46. | |
this enquiry. I want to acknowledge the Minister's response to | :27:47. | :27:53. | |
colleagues that the government is in listening mode in terms of the terms | :27:54. | :27:57. | |
of reference for this enquiry and that they will put the victims at | :27:58. | :28:04. | |
the heart of this enquiry. I think that that is what the victims will | :28:05. | :28:08. | |
expect, and will be grateful for. Many victims, certainly my | :28:09. | :28:16. | |
constituents, initially did not want an enquiry, they wanted a settlement | :28:17. | :28:23. | |
actually take place rather than an enquiry but as new evidence was | :28:24. | :28:29. | |
uncovered and again I pay tribute to Andy Burnham in some of the work | :28:30. | :28:34. | |
that he has done on this. And the journalist for the | :28:35. | :28:42. | |
Kingston-upon-Hull cited. My constituent certainly changed her | :28:43. | :28:44. | |
view and is very much supporting and looking forward to engaging with | :28:45. | :28:54. | |
this enquiry. I just want to raise an important issue that the enquiry | :28:55. | :29:00. | |
looks at. Subsequent treatment of victims, and holds the bodies to | :29:01. | :29:04. | |
account. Now, I have on behalf of Claire Walton been attempting to, | :29:05. | :29:10. | |
attempting to communicate with the McFarlane trust, one of the five | :29:11. | :29:17. | |
charities set up to help, and I say help the victims because in my | :29:18. | :29:21. | |
experience I have to say to the Minister the McFarlane trust has | :29:22. | :29:24. | |
been anything but help my constituent. They have behaved in an | :29:25. | :29:31. | |
utterly despicable way. They refused to take meetings with my | :29:32. | :29:36. | |
constituent, or with me, I have requested meetings for the past six | :29:37. | :29:39. | |
years, and they always come back with a reason why they cannot have a | :29:40. | :29:42. | |
meeting. They have bullied by constituent, the trustees of the | :29:43. | :29:50. | |
McFarlane trust have bullied her, and they have fed her scraps, those | :29:51. | :29:56. | |
are her words. Whilst at the same time having had charged over her | :29:57. | :29:59. | |
property for all of this time and making a profit on that charge they | :30:00. | :30:05. | |
refused to discuss the future of the charge on her property. She wants to | :30:06. | :30:09. | |
know because the scheme administrator will soon be changed | :30:10. | :30:13. | |
to the NHS business advisory service, by constituent wants to | :30:14. | :30:16. | |
know what will happen when that change takes place and I hope the | :30:17. | :30:19. | |
government can take some of this away and respond to it more fully at | :30:20. | :30:28. | |
the appropriate time. The MacFarlane trust say they cannot give any more | :30:29. | :30:32. | |
information until they have clarity from the Department of Health about | :30:33. | :30:35. | |
transition arrangements, and she really does want that clarity. But I | :30:36. | :30:42. | |
hope that the Minister will as his predecessor had intimated, that the | :30:43. | :30:47. | |
McFarlane trust is not for this world for much longer. And I have as | :30:48. | :30:53. | |
I said struggled to even be able to speak to them on the phone. My other | :30:54. | :31:06. | |
constituent, Adrian Milton feels particularly concerned about the | :31:07. | :31:10. | |
discretionary papers. Many victims actually rely on the discretionary | :31:11. | :31:16. | |
payments, and I again hope that as the minister begins to look at the | :31:17. | :31:25. | |
evidence, before him, he will look very closely at making sure that | :31:26. | :31:29. | |
where discretionary payments have actually become something much more | :31:30. | :31:33. | |
permanent, that they are recognised as that and not treated as | :31:34. | :31:38. | |
discretionary because the promise we made to our constituents under the | :31:39. | :31:42. | |
previous Prime Minister, and I had to commend him in wanting to resolve | :31:43. | :31:48. | |
this is that no victim will financially suffer under any | :31:49. | :31:54. | |
compensation. Any structure we put in place. I will take Mr Speaker's | :31:55. | :31:59. | |
very eloquent words on board and end there. Only just to say that this is | :32:00. | :32:05. | |
not a party political issue, many successive governments have failed | :32:06. | :32:09. | |
the victims and I hope now we can actually come together and have this | :32:10. | :32:14. | |
with a deadline, a clear timeline... I will give way. I congratulate my | :32:15. | :32:19. | |
honourable friend for the leadership she has given on this issue. On the | :32:20. | :32:23. | |
coming together I think this is important it is a UK level, previous | :32:24. | :32:29. | |
to devolution. I think it was important that the Minister works | :32:30. | :32:34. | |
with the devolved administration so that any compensation is at a UK | :32:35. | :32:40. | |
level, so there are no second-class citizens in the UK. And I think that | :32:41. | :32:45. | |
point is taken on board by the victim certainly who looked at the | :32:46. | :32:50. | |
Scottish settlement certainly in my case, with Adrian Melson. I am sure | :32:51. | :32:53. | |
the government is listening to the honourable friend's view on this. | :32:54. | :32:58. | |
But let us come together, and put a very clear timeline on when the | :32:59. | :33:05. | |
victims can adversely get justice but also compensation. I am grateful | :33:06. | :33:09. | |
to him. For more opposition members are minded to grumble about without | :33:10. | :33:14. | |
the Minister hasn't come in and that he is necessarily next I will just | :33:15. | :33:17. | |
point out that I was in receipt of her presentations from the | :33:18. | :33:20. | |
opposition front bench on this matter. Some communication between | :33:21. | :33:27. | |
the front and back bench would be advantageous to the conduct of | :33:28. | :33:29. | |
proceedings. Before I call the Shadow Minister for the public | :33:30. | :33:36. | |
health, can I did the -- gently implore her to speak for no more | :33:37. | :33:42. | |
than ten minutes and preferably for fewer. There are plenty who wish to | :33:43. | :33:45. | |
contribute after the honourable lady will stop the honourable gentleman | :33:46. | :33:51. | |
for Ludlow will helpfully set at the government position and we will then | :33:52. | :33:54. | |
open up to a wider debate and I would promise complete distraction | :33:55. | :33:57. | |
because I think that is without precedent in the house, but I will | :33:58. | :34:01. | |
try and ensure that there are as many happy members as possible. As | :34:02. | :34:09. | |
Sharon Hodgson. Thank you for your guidance, Mr Speaker, on this | :34:10. | :34:15. | |
matter. First and foremost first thanks go to the outstanding member | :34:16. | :34:18. | |
of my friend for a whole north who has soaked valiantly campaigned on | :34:19. | :34:23. | |
this issue for years now and without her and be delegated resolved by her | :34:24. | :34:27. | |
and all those that she cited to have been involved in this campaign, we | :34:28. | :34:31. | |
would not be where we are now. Thanks must also go to the former | :34:32. | :34:36. | |
member for league Andy Burnham and, at the end of last parliament I had | :34:37. | :34:43. | |
the honour of being present at going to the police with the evidence he | :34:44. | :34:51. | |
has if the government cannot seek justice for those neglected. For too | :34:52. | :34:55. | |
long the contaminated blood community has been simply failed by | :34:56. | :34:59. | |
the government. Ignored by those who have led the demands of the affected | :35:00. | :35:03. | |
fall under four years which has lacked this community without | :35:04. | :35:09. | |
justice. It is very welcome with the news in the last hour and a half or | :35:10. | :35:16. | |
so that this may have finally some resolution soon, I am very grateful | :35:17. | :35:22. | |
for him to allow me to speak first so that answer questions and what | :35:23. | :35:30. | |
this is an unusual format and that I have no prior knowledge that that | :35:31. | :35:33. | |
format was going to be changed and I hope other honourable members who | :35:34. | :35:38. | |
are also going to questions in the debates to label also get a chance | :35:39. | :35:42. | |
for some response from the ministers over and I don't know where fear he | :35:43. | :35:46. | |
will get to bite at the cherry or whether it will have the BB convened | :35:47. | :35:52. | |
to get other answers. I would also add that this emergency debate is | :35:53. | :35:57. | |
very timely and allows us the house to have its voice heard bully which | :35:58. | :36:00. | |
is white, after the decades of neglect this community has space. At | :36:01. | :36:06. | |
any point prior to 1230 when it was announced in the News the Minister | :36:07. | :36:09. | |
could have come forward and made a statement which would have saved my | :36:10. | :36:13. | |
honourable friend calling for the emergency debate yesterday. It does | :36:14. | :36:19. | |
tend to feel that the order of thing has been forced, and it is sad that | :36:20. | :36:23. | |
it has to be forced in this way. We are where we are. They on our | :36:24. | :36:28. | |
benches, Labour are resolutely in favour of a Hillsborough style | :36:29. | :36:37. | |
enquiry. It was in our manifesto and we pushed for it, and it is this | :36:38. | :36:41. | |
style of enquiry which will get to the heart of the problems that began | :36:42. | :36:47. | |
in the 1980s and hold those blamed for the scandal to account before | :36:48. | :36:52. | |
too late. It is not just our backbenchers but all those of the | :36:53. | :36:56. | |
other parties represented in this, especially on this side of the | :36:57. | :36:59. | |
house, who have made a commitment to stand up for those people seeking | :37:00. | :37:03. | |
justice. As was so clearly documented in the joint letter from | :37:04. | :37:07. | |
the leaders of every single opposition party here in this house, | :37:08. | :37:11. | |
and also the DUP, I am pleased to say, published on Sunday. In the | :37:12. | :37:16. | |
debate on this issue last November secured by my honourable friend Bob | :37:17. | :37:19. | |
Ivanov, we debated a whole host of issues, including compensation for | :37:20. | :37:27. | |
the terrible events that have occurred but today we are here to | :37:28. | :37:30. | |
debate the fights for justice, we should have happened a lot sooner. | :37:31. | :37:36. | |
In my contribution I want to impress two key points, firstly that | :37:37. | :37:39. | |
categorically the previous two enquiries have been insufficient in | :37:40. | :37:44. | |
seeking justice. And this is the reason why a Hillsborough style | :37:45. | :37:47. | |
enquiry Busby actioned. Secondly, the evidence presented so far is | :37:48. | :37:54. | |
clear that if we are to have true reconciliation of the murky covering | :37:55. | :38:00. | |
up on this scandal then the strongest of daylight must be shown | :38:01. | :38:05. | |
on all of this, leaving no stone unturned. The two previous enquiry | :38:06. | :38:10. | |
the archer enquiry and the Penrose enquiry 2015 in Scotland did not go | :38:11. | :38:14. | |
far enough in the eyes of the affected community in getting the | :38:15. | :38:18. | |
truth and justice they deserve. Firstly the arch enquiry was not a | :38:19. | :38:23. | |
government backed one, and failed to seek Department of Health witnesses | :38:24. | :38:28. | |
give evidence. The Penrose enquiry dude again but go far enough in | :38:29. | :38:32. | |
seeking truth, and was unable to compel witnesses from outside of | :38:33. | :38:35. | |
Scotland when at the time of the scandal most if not all of the | :38:36. | :38:40. | |
positions were made in Whitehall. So this failure to compel witnesses | :38:41. | :38:44. | |
from outside of Scotland failed to seek the justice and answers that | :38:45. | :38:47. | |
people from right across the UK deserved. On my second point, there | :38:48. | :38:53. | |
are many allegations around this scandal. Ranging from Department of | :38:54. | :38:57. | |
Health officials destroying evidence as part of a cover-up to victims | :38:58. | :39:02. | |
medical details being tamper with to hide the cause of their infections. | :39:03. | :39:07. | |
I will give way. There are two particular issues that the | :39:08. | :39:10. | |
constituents of mine have said that the enquiry but consider. One told | :39:11. | :39:15. | |
me that he was infected with Hepatitis C and exposed to the HIV | :39:16. | :39:21. | |
virus and was not informed until years afterwards by the NHS, and | :39:22. | :39:24. | |
wants to be ensure that the enquiry will reveal why the truth was | :39:25. | :39:29. | |
hidden. The second wants to know about this issue of doctors and | :39:30. | :39:32. | |
scientists being paid by the drug companies and the precise nature of | :39:33. | :39:35. | |
those deals and he thinks that those had to be really properly and | :39:36. | :39:39. | |
rigorously exposed by this enquiry. So that we can get to the bottom of | :39:40. | :39:45. | |
whatever vested interest existed during the scandal. I thank my noble | :39:46. | :39:48. | |
friend for the intervention and the evidence is happy well documented | :39:49. | :39:54. | |
about which he speaks, especially by the former member for lead, and the | :39:55. | :40:00. | |
honourable member for whole north. Those brave enough to come forward | :40:01. | :40:03. | |
who have lived with these conditions at the sharp end of this heinous | :40:04. | :40:07. | |
negligence reported in the Daily Mail last week drove just important | :40:08. | :40:19. | |
how it is to set up the Hillsborough style enquiry. Would she agree that | :40:20. | :40:25. | |
the self-sufficiency and blood products is an unauthorised report | :40:26. | :40:28. | |
perpetuating inaccuracies and outright lies as per my constituent | :40:29. | :40:35. | |
letter to me? This is all what will have to be looked into, all of this | :40:36. | :40:39. | |
evidence needs to be looked into, and recent days my office has | :40:40. | :40:43. | |
received contact from individuals from my constituency affected by | :40:44. | :40:46. | |
this scandal with intricate details that must be addressed, and it is | :40:47. | :40:50. | |
important that those questions no matter how small they may seem are | :40:51. | :40:56. | |
entered, as these are issues which have inextricably affected that | :40:57. | :40:59. | |
person's whole life. It is issues like these that must be addressed, | :41:00. | :41:04. | |
most importantly so that those who have lived with the ramifications of | :41:05. | :41:07. | |
this serious negligence can finally have the justice they deserve. Now, | :41:08. | :41:13. | |
these are two of the reasons do get to the bottom of the allegations of | :41:14. | :41:16. | |
evidence presented. And having a full and frank enquiry, that brings | :41:17. | :41:21. | |
justice to the many people affected. This is why we must have this | :41:22. | :41:26. | |
enquiry. It is a joint letter by the opposition leader said over the | :41:27. | :41:30. | |
weekend, if the panel was to be convened then it must disclose any | :41:31. | :41:34. | |
and all documents related to the scandal which involve the victims at | :41:35. | :41:40. | |
every stage. It must compel all parties involved to participate with | :41:41. | :41:44. | |
the disclose a process, and not hinder justice and a further. Along | :41:45. | :41:48. | |
with investigating the events leading up to the individual's | :41:49. | :41:53. | |
infections, but also the aftermath, including allegations of medical | :41:54. | :41:56. | |
details being tampered with, whether people were unknowingly tested for | :41:57. | :42:01. | |
viruses without their knowledge, and if enough was done to identify those | :42:02. | :42:04. | |
at risk of the infections. There must also be an investigation part | :42:05. | :42:11. | |
of this enquiry into the role of profit-making American firms | :42:12. | :42:12. | |
supplying the blood factor concentrates that people -- to | :42:13. | :42:19. | |
people with haemophilia. Whilst none of this will bring back loved ones | :42:20. | :42:23. | |
who have died who have been part of this Campbell Gunn or change the | :42:24. | :42:27. | |
circumstances of those living with the conditions inflicted upon them | :42:28. | :42:30. | |
today, there is still something we can do, and that is to hold the | :42:31. | :42:34. | |
enquiry, it is the very least we can do. The thousands of people affected | :42:35. | :42:39. | |
must be supported, and we must stand beside them in seeking justice as is | :42:40. | :42:44. | |
our duty as an elected representatives of the public. I | :42:45. | :42:48. | |
want to conclude with this final remarks, Mr Speaker. None here have | :42:49. | :42:51. | |
a magic wand. I know our constituents all think we do, and we | :42:52. | :42:56. | |
can't turn back time and stop this scandal from happening. Sadly, this | :42:57. | :43:00. | |
power does not exist. But the power that does exist and at the behest of | :43:01. | :43:05. | |
the minister before us to day is that a facilitating the justice for | :43:06. | :43:09. | |
those who live with the aftermath of this scandal. Here today we can send | :43:10. | :43:14. | |
a message, allowed an strong message to those who campaign on this issue | :43:15. | :43:19. | |
day and day out. That Parliament has listened to and is on their side. We | :43:20. | :43:24. | |
in this house have heard them, we in this house are there with them and | :43:25. | :43:28. | |
we in this house will do all we can for them in their quest for justice. | :43:29. | :43:33. | |
We cannot let them down. We can help facilitate the truth once and for | :43:34. | :43:37. | |
all. Parliament is this thing to these individuals who have spent | :43:38. | :43:40. | |
decades fighting, is against the system, to get the truth they seek | :43:41. | :43:44. | |
and the government must listen to Parliament. Parliament is saying | :43:45. | :43:48. | |
fixed this, provide those thousands of people who never asked for this | :43:49. | :43:52. | |
to happen to them with the justice they use so rightly deserve. We | :43:53. | :43:53. | |
cannot fail them any longer. Thank you, Mr Speaker. And thank you | :43:54. | :44:09. | |
for making it clear in the sequence in which we are speaking today in | :44:10. | :44:14. | |
this very important debate. I would like to start my contribution by | :44:15. | :44:17. | |
offering my personal apology to all those affected by the tragedy of | :44:18. | :44:24. | |
infected NHS blood products. This has had the terrible impact on so | :44:25. | :44:30. | |
many individuals and families. It has, quite rightly, been the subject | :44:31. | :44:35. | |
of many debates in this chamber. It has been prompted by the proper | :44:36. | :44:40. | |
concern of members on both sides of the house over many years. There | :44:41. | :44:44. | |
have been two previous enquiries on this issue. The Archer report in | :44:45. | :44:49. | |
2009 and the Scottish Government funded Penrose enquiry in 2015. | :44:50. | :44:59. | |
There have been several calls for a fool, independent enquiry over the | :45:00. | :45:07. | |
years. In addition to these reports, we have attempted to bring greater | :45:08. | :45:10. | |
transparency to the events of the team. Many documents regarding to | :45:11. | :45:19. | |
like 60 from 19721995 have been published and are available on the | :45:20. | :45:24. | |
National Archives website. These documents provide a comprehensive | :45:25. | :45:27. | |
look at the events in the decisions made. Many of these were covered in | :45:28. | :45:36. | |
the Penrose enquiry. But I recognise that for those affected, these steps | :45:37. | :45:40. | |
do not go far enough to provide the answers they want to get to the | :45:41. | :45:44. | |
truth of what happened. In light of these concerns, and of reports of | :45:45. | :45:52. | |
new evidence and allegations of potential criminality, we think it | :45:53. | :45:56. | |
is important to understand the extent of what is cleaned and the | :45:57. | :46:00. | |
wider issues which arise. I will make some prick progress to get it | :46:01. | :46:09. | |
to the nub of this statement. -- quick. The government will look to | :46:10. | :46:21. | |
hold an enquiry into how many people will affected by infected blood | :46:22. | :46:30. | |
products. I am very grateful for the news he has just confirmed. Will he | :46:31. | :46:38. | |
ensure the process is followed and that it facilitates the ability to | :46:39. | :46:47. | |
bring charges so that the full effect of the law could be brought | :46:48. | :46:55. | |
against anyone who could face charges? I will carry on and detail | :46:56. | :47:00. | |
the full extent of how the enquiry would proceed. There have been calls | :47:01. | :47:09. | |
for an enquiry similar to the enquiry looked at into the | :47:10. | :47:15. | |
Hillsborough disaster. This will work with families and close | :47:16. | :47:22. | |
personal engagement with an independent advisers. There have | :47:23. | :47:25. | |
also been told that only statutory enquiry led by a senior judge by the | :47:26. | :47:31. | |
enquiries act 2005 will provide the answers that people want. It would | :47:32. | :47:35. | |
have the power to compel witnesses and written evidence, one of the | :47:36. | :47:43. | |
apparent shortcomings of the previous reports. The government can | :47:44. | :47:47. | |
see minutes in both approaches to ensure that whatever is established | :47:48. | :47:50. | |
in the interests of those affected, we will engage with the affected | :47:51. | :47:57. | |
groups aren't affected parties, including the all Parliamentary | :47:58. | :48:00. | |
group before taking a final decision on the tape of enquiry. I am | :48:01. | :48:09. | |
grateful to my honourable friend. Could he tell the house whether the | :48:10. | :48:13. | |
terms of the enquiry will allow recommendations to be made with | :48:14. | :48:17. | |
regard to compensation for those affected? I will make a little bit | :48:18. | :48:22. | |
of progress and endeavour to cancel that during my remarks. They right | :48:23. | :48:29. | |
honourable friend the Secretary of State and ministers at the | :48:30. | :48:31. | |
Department of Health will be meeting with those affected than the | :48:32. | :48:36. | |
families to discuss the issues and for us to understand their | :48:37. | :48:41. | |
preferences directly with regard to the stale, scope and duration of the | :48:42. | :48:48. | |
enquiry. I just wonder what can he give some time estimate for all | :48:49. | :48:53. | |
these meetings taking place? My experience of the Department of | :48:54. | :48:58. | |
Health on this issue is that deadlines are not met and things | :48:59. | :49:02. | |
have to be dragged onto the floor of the house to get ministers to | :49:03. | :49:06. | |
respond. As they face a timetable as to when you decision will be made? I | :49:07. | :49:12. | |
am sure the honourable ladle who has taken such an active lead and | :49:13. | :49:17. | |
encouraging enquiries will want to make sure we get this rate. We will | :49:18. | :49:22. | |
take the time necessary to consult with colleagues with interested | :49:23. | :49:26. | |
groups and our intent would be to be able to come back to this house as | :49:27. | :49:31. | |
soon as practicable and I would anticipate in the autumn. He has | :49:32. | :49:43. | |
mentioned the Department of Health. In Wales, under the devolved | :49:44. | :49:48. | |
administration, for consultation as he undertaken with regard to | :49:49. | :49:58. | |
contacting the Welsh Assembly? There is a legitimate interest from all | :49:59. | :50:00. | |
constituent nations within the United Kingdom and as many of these | :50:01. | :50:05. | |
incidents happened prior to devil tuition, we do intend to consult | :50:06. | :50:13. | |
with devolved governments. Would he agree the enquiry would have to | :50:14. | :50:19. | |
yield answers to the victims of the scandal and their families? There | :50:20. | :50:27. | |
will be a great interest to the conclusion of this to ensure that | :50:28. | :50:31. | |
the circumstances which led to the scandal can never be repeated again. | :50:32. | :50:38. | |
I completely agree. I will make a little more progress. Regardless of | :50:39. | :50:49. | |
the stale of the enquiry, it is our intention that it will cover the | :50:50. | :50:52. | |
whole of the United Kingdom and we will therefore be in direct contact | :50:53. | :50:59. | |
with counterparts in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland to seek the | :51:00. | :51:03. | |
views before determining those aspects of the enquiry. I apologise | :51:04. | :51:15. | |
to the hose. The Minister has indicated that the consultation will | :51:16. | :51:22. | |
be around the United Kingdom. There is no corresponding Minister of | :51:23. | :51:31. | |
health in Northern Ireland. That is disgraceful. How will the Minister | :51:32. | :51:36. | |
is with Northern Ireland in the absence of the Assembly? We will be | :51:37. | :51:43. | |
looking to the Northern Ireland Office to facilitate discussions | :51:44. | :51:46. | |
with officials and representatives in Northern Ireland. On this point | :51:47. | :51:55. | |
may Honourable friend made, is this a United Kingdom weight enquiry and | :51:56. | :51:58. | |
that the consultation will be across the United Kingdom but that the | :51:59. | :52:09. | |
enquiry itself will be niche in May, so the constituents like my own will | :52:10. | :52:15. | |
have the quality to this? The scope of the enquiry will be determined as | :52:16. | :52:19. | |
part of the discussions which as I indicated we will have in the coming | :52:20. | :52:25. | |
weeks and months. Our intent is that the devolved administrations and | :52:26. | :52:32. | |
residence within that will have free access to participate in the enquiry | :52:33. | :52:37. | |
regardless of where they live or really one affected. The government | :52:38. | :52:41. | |
intends to update the house once these discussions are completed. I | :52:42. | :52:44. | |
would encourage colleagues with the specific interest to engage | :52:45. | :52:50. | |
themselves in discussions through the all-party group that may exist. | :52:51. | :52:58. | |
In the meantime, if anyone in this house side has any evidence of | :52:59. | :53:03. | |
criminality they should take their evidence to the police as soon as | :53:04. | :53:09. | |
possible. If anyone has any other evidence that they want the enquiry | :53:10. | :53:14. | |
to consider, I would ask that the submitted to the enquiry once it has | :53:15. | :53:17. | |
been established. The government will be writing to all those in | :53:18. | :53:21. | |
receipt of payments from the current schemes to make sure that the all | :53:22. | :53:27. | |
know about today's announcement. And to inform them of the next step. I | :53:28. | :53:35. | |
thank the Minister for giving way. I welcome the comments so far. Woody | :53:36. | :53:41. | |
confirmed that it would not do anything to endanger clinical trials | :53:42. | :53:47. | |
and see that Inman with information must make sure it is made available | :53:48. | :53:53. | |
to the police? I honourable friend will reckon it from the recent | :53:54. | :53:58. | |
Hillsborough enquiry that it gave RISE to a certain information made | :53:59. | :54:03. | |
available to the police which led to certain charges being made. We would | :54:04. | :54:11. | |
envisage that any enquiry is established with have the ability to | :54:12. | :54:16. | |
do the same thing if that is appropriate. I must make a little | :54:17. | :54:22. | |
bit of progress. Mr Speaker has encouraged me to make ten minutes so | :54:23. | :54:26. | |
that others can make their contribution and I have already | :54:27. | :54:29. | |
exceeded that. I would inform the house that implementing the forms to | :54:30. | :54:37. | |
be affected blood support schemes remains a priority for the | :54:38. | :54:43. | |
government. That is why within the spending review period until 2021, | :54:44. | :54:49. | |
up to ?125 million of additional funding has been added to the budget | :54:50. | :54:54. | |
for the support scheme. It is more than doubles the annual spend. The | :54:55. | :55:02. | |
second consultation on the scheme for which closed on April 17 | :55:03. | :55:07. | |
received 250 responses. The consultation contained the portals | :55:08. | :55:11. | |
for a special category make mechanism which would allow those | :55:12. | :55:16. | |
with stage one hepatitis C for the larger annual payment and that with | :55:17. | :55:22. | |
greatly increased the number of people eligible for that payment. | :55:23. | :55:28. | |
The results and consultation of that will be published in June course. -- | :55:29. | :55:45. | |
due. . I want to press this point about the liability of financial | :55:46. | :55:51. | |
liabilities arising from the enquiry and the impact of revolution. Can he | :55:52. | :56:01. | |
sure is that people, regardless of whether you'll have no will will | :56:02. | :56:10. | |
receive equal treatment, with regard to financial liability? I have just | :56:11. | :56:13. | |
talked about the financial scheme with in England. It will be work for | :56:14. | :56:19. | |
the enquiry to decide whether they want to make recommendations with | :56:20. | :56:23. | |
regard to financial recommendations. I could not give a confirmation for | :56:24. | :56:27. | |
that at the moment. That would have to come from the enquiry. I | :56:28. | :56:36. | |
constituent was infected with hepatitis C in 1970. This was | :56:37. | :56:43. | |
discovered only about three years ago. Will any consideration be given | :56:44. | :56:48. | |
to those many years of suffering when the compensation scheme is put | :56:49. | :56:59. | |
into effect? I can offer my sympathy to your constituent for the | :57:00. | :57:05. | |
challenges she finds herself with. We have dizzy at this point that it | :57:06. | :57:10. | |
will be going to individuals to make their applications. We will be | :57:11. | :57:16. | |
responding to the consultation and I would strongly encourage my | :57:17. | :57:23. | |
honourable friend to make representations on her behalf to the | :57:24. | :57:24. | |
enquiry when it is established. I thank the Minister for giving way. | :57:25. | :57:35. | |
He has been extremely generous. Could I just press him on the | :57:36. | :57:38. | |
listing of health records. Any families also strength to salvage | :57:39. | :57:45. | |
what happened last the scope of discussion is the enquiry. Can we | :57:46. | :57:53. | |
write to the Minister on the representation records? I think it | :57:54. | :58:00. | |
would be appropriate to write when that city was established. The point | :58:01. | :58:04. | |
was made earlier about medical records, if there is evidence of | :58:05. | :58:09. | |
tampering that I should be made available to the enquiry. I'm afraid | :58:10. | :58:12. | |
we're going to have to bring my remarks to a conclusion. I thank | :58:13. | :58:19. | |
those on both sides of the house who worked tirelessly on this issue over | :58:20. | :58:24. | |
the years and particularly my voice to others who have already spoken to | :58:25. | :58:28. | |
commend the honourable member for Kingston upon Hull North, who I know | :58:29. | :58:36. | |
has spread not only powerfully today but on many occasions in the house | :58:37. | :58:39. | |
and for many years on the subject. I would also like to commend her | :58:40. | :58:47. | |
colleague, my colleague, the Right Honourable member for Worthing West | :58:48. | :58:52. | |
who chairs the all parliamentary group, and thanks as she did members | :58:53. | :58:56. | |
past and present of that group, notably the former chair Jason | :58:57. | :59:02. | |
McCartney, late of this parish. And finally I would like to add thanks | :59:03. | :59:07. | |
to ministerial colleagues handling this delicate issue for previous | :59:08. | :59:14. | |
administrations. In particular my friend the member for North East | :59:15. | :59:18. | |
Bedfordshire who has worked so hard not just for his constituents but | :59:19. | :59:21. | |
for all of those affected by this tragedy. If I could appeal to the | :59:22. | :59:29. | |
SNP spokesperson not to leak speeds ten minutes, ever be less, the | :59:30. | :59:34. | |
Minister took longer a little, but took interventions. There is no | :59:35. | :59:38. | |
requirement or need for the honourable lady to take quite as | :59:39. | :59:42. | |
long. Thank you very much Mr Speaker. As the honourable laid for | :59:43. | :59:46. | |
Kingston-upon-Hull said, 2400 people have died from this the worst | :59:47. | :59:55. | |
disaster in HS history. This was due to of blood that led to the NHS | :59:56. | :00:02. | |
sourcing products from America. The problem is that people with | :00:03. | :00:09. | |
haemophilia, in men, or in women, who get factor nine, these | :00:10. | :00:11. | |
concentrates are made from thousands of samples, and the moment you have | :00:12. | :00:16. | |
one or two people within that collection you are starting to have | :00:17. | :00:20. | |
the virus. And that is why they are affected at a much higher rate than | :00:21. | :00:24. | |
those people who had a single blood transfusion, and the problem is we | :00:25. | :00:28. | |
are talking about decades that this goes back, and has not been properly | :00:29. | :00:32. | |
dealt with. As has been mentioned in the chamber already. In the two | :00:33. | :00:37. | |
years I have been in the house we have had multiple debates, | :00:38. | :00:39. | |
statements and urgent questions on this issue and I to pay tribute to | :00:40. | :00:43. | |
the honourable lady or keeping at it with the all-party group. But most | :00:44. | :00:49. | |
of that has been a round support, and it was only last July that | :00:50. | :00:52. | |
finally the government came forward a strength and support 's package | :00:53. | :00:59. | |
for this group of people. It is important to realise this is not | :01:00. | :01:03. | |
compensation but X Gracia support payments, that do not recognise the | :01:04. | :01:10. | |
loss and suffering of the victims of rated blood. -- contaminated blood. | :01:11. | :01:18. | |
That was only seemed to come about as the Scottish Government came up | :01:19. | :01:23. | |
with a larger lump sum and ongoing pavement, a 75% penchant to the | :01:24. | :01:29. | |
spells of the brew two at the moment still don't get sufficient support | :01:30. | :01:33. | |
here in England and that is not right, the idea that someone who | :01:34. | :01:36. | |
loses a partner to this scandal is not compensated. Now, what we heard | :01:37. | :01:43. | |
in March of this year, a mere seven months after that was that the | :01:44. | :01:48. | |
government was consulting on perhaps restricting who would qualify for | :01:49. | :01:52. | |
the highest payments and that these payments would not be subject to | :01:53. | :01:59. | |
index linking. The youngest victim remaining is approximately 35. They | :02:00. | :02:03. | |
have a whole lifetime to go through. Maybe a shortened lifetime in | :02:04. | :02:07. | |
comparison to us but we cannot have that people are suddenly left and | :02:08. | :02:17. | |
bottom feed -- in poverty further down the line. I welcome the | :02:18. | :02:26. | |
suggestion CPI thinking goes ahead. I am grateful for her remarks, | :02:27. | :02:32. | |
support extends to Wales as well, not just to England because it is a | :02:33. | :02:36. | |
?10,000 payment as far understand for people in Wales as well. Is it | :02:37. | :02:41. | |
her understanding that in terms of the reference of the enquiry will | :02:42. | :02:45. | |
include the actions of governments in Wales and Scotland and possibly | :02:46. | :02:47. | |
Northern Ireland as well as in England? I had intended to ask but | :02:48. | :02:54. | |
couldn't get it in. Obviously the Scottish Government had an enquiry, | :02:55. | :02:59. | |
the Penrose enquiry, but as the Minister has committed to this I | :03:00. | :03:02. | |
would assume any enquiry going forward will look at the whole of | :03:03. | :03:06. | |
the UK. They must be remembered the decisions that led to this were | :03:07. | :03:11. | |
taken here in Whitehall, before devolution, and governments like the | :03:12. | :03:13. | |
Scottish Government have tried to step up and support their | :03:14. | :03:17. | |
constituents who have been affected by this but actually getting the | :03:18. | :03:21. | |
answers to what caused this is in this place. I thank her for giving | :03:22. | :03:27. | |
way and would she agree that the sense of a lack of trust has been | :03:28. | :03:32. | |
enhanced by documents such as the self-sufficiency and blood product | :03:33. | :03:35. | |
which was a DoH document but which many people felt was inaccurate and | :03:36. | :03:42. | |
indeed outright lies. I think obviously all of these things will | :03:43. | :03:46. | |
have to be looked at by the enquiry itself and I think documents, | :03:47. | :03:50. | |
patients records, things that were altered things that were hidden, and | :03:51. | :03:54. | |
things that were hiding behind public interest barriers now all | :03:55. | :03:57. | |
need to as in the case of Hillsborough be opened up so that | :03:58. | :04:02. | |
light is shone onto that. Now, the Penrose enquiry was Scotland only. | :04:03. | :04:07. | |
The Department of Health was devoted to take bright at the time -- | :04:08. | :04:13. | |
invited to take part and make it a UK enquiry, but declined. Penrose | :04:14. | :04:19. | |
did not have the ability to summon documents or people and that was one | :04:20. | :04:23. | |
of its key weaknesses. I remember at the time, in the 80s, when this | :04:24. | :04:28. | |
scandal started to unfold, and as a surgeon who of course uses blood on | :04:29. | :04:32. | |
their patients, I remember how shocked I was at the mere thought | :04:33. | :04:36. | |
that an action I might have taken could have harmed a patient that I | :04:37. | :04:41. | |
was looking after. And I certainly set about in my elective surgery to | :04:42. | :04:46. | |
chase every single blood cell to avoid spilling blood, using | :04:47. | :04:52. | |
electrocautery, all sorts of modern techniques, and if you will out my | :04:53. | :04:55. | |
staff from I feared the they will moan about how long I spent in | :04:56. | :04:59. | |
theatre doing that. In doing that was an has been hit by a bus you | :05:00. | :05:06. | |
have no choice. A criticism responding to Penrose in 2015 was | :05:07. | :05:09. | |
surprised clinicians so showed much trust. -- showed so much trust in | :05:10. | :05:17. | |
the quality of blood, but when a coalition League clinician is using | :05:18. | :05:21. | |
so many increments we must be able to trust them, we know we have no | :05:22. | :05:29. | |
personal mechanism to check everything. That is why there is | :05:30. | :05:32. | |
licensing and inspections and government's role, and why there is | :05:33. | :05:37. | |
a suspicion of harm, then action must be taken. That failure to act, | :05:38. | :05:42. | |
that hiding, that is not dealing with out at the time happened | :05:43. | :05:45. | |
pre-devolution, and this enquiry must take account of that. In | :05:46. | :05:51. | |
particular we know that a conference in 1980 in Glasgow, clinicians were | :05:52. | :05:55. | |
already raising concerns about seeing change in liver function in | :05:56. | :05:59. | |
patients who were receiving but concentrate for haemophilia. It has | :06:00. | :06:06. | |
appeared in a meeting we have already met recently in the 1981 UK | :06:07. | :06:11. | |
blood transfusion research service which recognises about 50 patients a | :06:12. | :06:17. | |
year developed some form of liver damage and yet the decision of that | :06:18. | :06:20. | |
meeting appears to have been to let that continue and simply study it | :06:21. | :06:26. | |
and use these patients as a way of developing a test for what was known | :06:27. | :06:34. | |
at a time as non-a non-be hepatitis. It is important in this enquiry that | :06:35. | :06:38. | |
we ensure we are looking at all of this. The official from the | :06:39. | :06:40. | |
Department of Health and Social Security at that meeting would not | :06:41. | :06:45. | |
attend Penrose. These people need to be called by the enquiry. So going | :06:46. | :06:53. | |
forward, of course, it must include the families, the victims, so that | :06:54. | :06:58. | |
we are sensitive to what it is they want to know. It isn't just | :06:59. | :07:02. | |
government but producers, and not just producers in America, I think | :07:03. | :07:06. | |
we tried to make ourselves feel better because we blame it on the | :07:07. | :07:11. | |
States, where people bought blood. Where people with addictions and | :07:12. | :07:15. | |
poverty and prisoners were used will stop in the mid-70s, prisoners in | :07:16. | :07:20. | |
this country are also used. And it is claimed that that was encouraged | :07:21. | :07:24. | |
by the Home Office as part of prisoner rehabilitation. We need | :07:25. | :07:29. | |
those documents, we need to understand if that decision was | :07:30. | :07:34. | |
made. UK producers have often been found wanting in the quality of | :07:35. | :07:38. | |
product that they come up with. We mustn't pat ourselves on the back | :07:39. | :07:42. | |
and imagine that the UK product was somehow safe and this was all due to | :07:43. | :07:48. | |
the UA -- US. We need to follow the salmon get answers. I think people | :07:49. | :07:54. | |
have been failed so many times over and over, it is crucial that this | :07:55. | :08:02. | |
does not happen again. We need to keep the government on their toes, | :08:03. | :08:05. | |
have reports back from the enquiry at is it set up so we know what it | :08:06. | :08:12. | |
is investigating cos if we fail to get answers this time and in | :08:13. | :08:15. | |
particular failed to actually deliver compensation for lives lost, | :08:16. | :08:22. | |
for suffering, failure to get a mortgage or insurance, the costs of | :08:23. | :08:26. | |
care, then we will have failed them all over again. Thank you Mr | :08:27. | :08:33. | |
Speaker, thank you. Firstly, I would like to congratulate the honourable | :08:34. | :08:39. | |
member for Kingston upon will for securing this important debate | :08:40. | :08:44. | |
today. I was also in this chamber when the former member for Lee | :08:45. | :08:49. | |
raised a very concerning issue, that needed to be looked at in this new | :08:50. | :08:54. | |
enquiry. And that struck a chord with me will stop I'm delighted to | :08:55. | :08:57. | |
be back in the chamber to see this happening. Like many members of the | :08:58. | :09:03. | |
house on both sides I have been contacted by constituents who have | :09:04. | :09:08. | |
told me about their experiences and how contaminated blood has affected | :09:09. | :09:12. | |
them, their family life and their friends. Every so often, in the | :09:13. | :09:20. | |
experience that you have as a constituency MP, you meet the | :09:21. | :09:26. | |
saddest constituents, that tell you the most heartbreaking stories, and | :09:27. | :09:32. | |
you sit there week in week out and these resonate with you, but it is | :09:33. | :09:38. | |
not a story for these victims. It is daily life, it is wrecked lives, | :09:39. | :09:43. | |
where nothing has been done, pure injustice. So, it is clear that | :09:44. | :09:51. | |
destructive effects of contaminated blood products used decades ago have | :09:52. | :09:56. | |
continued to daily effect people's lives, in a devastating way, that | :09:57. | :10:03. | |
frankly, when I have heard the stories, of how it has affected | :10:04. | :10:07. | |
people, it has indeed lived with me, and I can understand the campaigning | :10:08. | :10:13. | |
nature that has been brought to this house on all sides, and I am | :10:14. | :10:16. | |
delighted to bring my experience on behalf of my constituents. Today, we | :10:17. | :10:23. | |
finally recognise that this government has done this and it is | :10:24. | :10:26. | |
ready to tackle this injustice and I am delighted to see that that is | :10:27. | :10:31. | |
being done in the name of the victims and the families who have | :10:32. | :10:34. | |
done nothing to bring this upon themselves. After I became the MP in | :10:35. | :10:42. | |
May 2015I met one of my constituents in Bishop Stoke, Gary Webster, who | :10:43. | :10:47. | |
has been left coping with HIV, Hepatitis C, and possibly variant | :10:48. | :10:53. | |
CJD following NHS blood products used in the 1980s as routine | :10:54. | :11:00. | |
procedures to treat his haemophilia. I'm very grateful to the Honourable | :11:01. | :11:03. | |
Lady giving way. One of the important things in this world that | :11:04. | :11:08. | |
it beat both fire back, the decision made to treat for hepatitis B is in | :11:09. | :11:14. | |
the 1960s and yet we did not can treat -- treat concentrate, so we | :11:15. | :11:18. | |
need to make sure all decisions are included. I thank her for that input | :11:19. | :11:26. | |
and I feel it is very important to bring everything to play in this | :11:27. | :11:30. | |
investigation, it is absolutely right. Last year, Gary attended a | :11:31. | :11:36. | |
debate we had here once again to discuss this really heartbreaking | :11:37. | :11:41. | |
issue. Now, Gary went on to attend a specialist school in Orton, where he | :11:42. | :11:45. | |
was one of many haemophiliacs who were at school there. He told me | :11:46. | :11:51. | |
that he kept in contact with around 100 students who had all been | :11:52. | :11:58. | |
affected by contaminated blood. Now, he along with those other students | :11:59. | :12:03. | |
continued to stay friends with those students, but only now I believe | :12:04. | :12:10. | |
around 20 are still alive. These were all fellow students who | :12:11. | :12:14. | |
contracted illnesses through blood products that they have received | :12:15. | :12:19. | |
because of haemophilia. And I know that tragically lose the story is | :12:20. | :12:22. | |
similar to the thousands across this country. I know from other | :12:23. | :12:27. | |
constituents some who wished not to be named who have had great | :12:28. | :12:31. | |
financial burdens placed upon them and their families as a result of | :12:32. | :12:36. | |
the diseases that they have contracted which have affected their | :12:37. | :12:40. | |
lives to this contaminated bud. -- blood. | :12:41. | :12:47. | |
It is only right that we support those whose lives have been altered | :12:48. | :12:54. | |
by this contaminated blood and I hope that this enquiry will be | :12:55. | :13:01. | |
effective and that the annual payments for hepatitis are being | :13:02. | :13:13. | |
increased, going up to 18,020 19. And the payments for those with | :13:14. | :13:17. | |
hepatitis stage to have seen the payments going up ?56,000 500. And | :13:18. | :13:27. | |
these payments will be linked. This will help all constituents we know | :13:28. | :13:31. | |
who have been affected. I have also been speaking to Gary and others | :13:32. | :13:35. | |
about the hardship of these conditions have brought and the | :13:36. | :13:39. | |
challenges they have brought to the slaves. Being able to bring up and | :13:40. | :13:45. | |
support their families in the week they would've liked to and chosen to | :13:46. | :13:50. | |
have they not been affected. There has been almost ?400 million paid | :13:51. | :13:57. | |
out to those affected by five different organisations. I am | :13:58. | :14:01. | |
delighted that the additional ?125 million offered by the government | :14:02. | :14:07. | |
which will double the department 's annual spend to the scheme over the | :14:08. | :14:13. | |
past -- next five years. This has to go to the people who need it. I know | :14:14. | :14:19. | |
that people have made daily life decisions which have been really | :14:20. | :14:23. | |
difficult as they did not have the financial restraints they have had. | :14:24. | :14:31. | |
She refers to the scheme and the stump constituents and with these | :14:32. | :14:37. | |
existing schemes. A constituent of mine had the transfusion of | :14:38. | :14:47. | |
contaminated blood. Which he encourage the government to locate | :14:48. | :14:50. | |
cases again under the current scheme so that there are not people missing | :14:51. | :14:56. | |
out I know SNMP there is nothing more frustrating when people have | :14:57. | :15:06. | |
just fallen outside the bracket. I hope this enquiry will give us a | :15:07. | :15:11. | |
chance to look at that. The government has done significantly | :15:12. | :15:14. | |
more than other governments to protect those affected. I know that | :15:15. | :15:20. | |
is a commitment to ensure that we are currently working to bring the | :15:21. | :15:26. | |
five schemes together. It is a rather complex nature. And these | :15:27. | :15:31. | |
people have complicated and difficult waves and I think it is | :15:32. | :15:34. | |
only right that we make it easier for them to get the support that | :15:35. | :15:41. | |
they need. I am so pleased that the Prime Minister has announced that | :15:42. | :15:45. | |
this morning that there will be a wide-ranging enquiry into this | :15:46. | :15:49. | |
tragedy and I will be pleased it is the type of enquiry drawn together | :15:50. | :15:56. | |
by victims to suit the victims. They will finally have a voice, the | :15:57. | :16:02. | |
strongest voice possible, to get the cancers which the absolutely | :16:03. | :16:06. | |
deserve. It is only right that the consultation will be healed by those | :16:07. | :16:12. | |
affected by this injustice solea families have a voice. It is my hope | :16:13. | :16:17. | |
this enquiry will provide the answers to those looking for them. | :16:18. | :16:23. | |
In particular, the concern regarding the criminality. This is extremely | :16:24. | :16:30. | |
concerning. This is a vehicle to get their voices here. If there is | :16:31. | :16:34. | |
anything which should be going to the court, we should be able to do | :16:35. | :16:40. | |
something about it. We have the opportunity in this enquiry that no | :16:41. | :16:47. | |
voice will be lost. The victims and the families will get the fullest | :16:48. | :16:50. | |
compensation and the answer is that they deserve. Can I just advise the | :16:51. | :16:58. | |
house, colleagues should be thinking in terms of speeches of five | :16:59. | :17:07. | |
minutes. If the cheer is able to accommodate everybody. Longer | :17:08. | :17:18. | |
speeches will have to wait for the long winter evenings. I hope we can | :17:19. | :17:29. | |
give a warm and enthusiastic welcome to were made in Speaker. Thank you | :17:30. | :17:37. | |
very much. I am grateful to my honourable friend for securing this | :17:38. | :17:43. | |
debate. As the new MP for Oxford, it is assumed that the Oxford | :17:44. | :17:49. | |
haemophiliac centre of which supplied blood which so many people | :17:50. | :17:55. | |
contracting contaminated blood. It advocated the use of humans to test | :17:56. | :18:07. | |
infectivity. However, I have very proud of the people of Oxford who | :18:08. | :18:11. | |
have campaigned for many years for justice on this issue. As we have | :18:12. | :18:16. | |
here, they are fighting for truth and accountability. That is all | :18:17. | :18:22. | |
events such as this cannot happen again. As I start my maiden speech, | :18:23. | :18:30. | |
a dedicated to them. The people who fought against the odds. I am | :18:31. | :18:40. | |
enormously grateful for the people of Oxford for elected me as their | :18:41. | :18:46. | |
representative. I take over from Andrew Smith. Many people both sides | :18:47. | :18:52. | |
of the house will know him very well. Andrew came initially to | :18:53. | :18:55. | |
Oxford unsure whether it would become his home soon recognised its | :18:56. | :19:03. | |
potential as a great city. As a student, he met his wonderful wife | :19:04. | :19:08. | |
Valerie, who was also known by many people in the house. She was a | :19:09. | :19:12. | |
powerful advocate for the community which she served as a county | :19:13. | :19:16. | |
councillor for many years. Her wisdom came this is still very sadly | :19:17. | :19:26. | |
missed by many others. Andrew was a diligent constituent MP and care | :19:27. | :19:30. | |
passionately about this city and its people, including those living in | :19:31. | :19:36. | |
his home community. He also had a very distinguished career in | :19:37. | :19:40. | |
Parliament, including serving in the Cabinet as Chief Secretary to the | :19:41. | :19:44. | |
Treasury and then Secretary of State for Work and Pensions from 2002 - | :19:45. | :19:55. | |
2004. His work affected listed as a million pensioners out of poverty, | :19:56. | :20:03. | |
and gotten some of the biggest increases in health and overseas aid | :20:04. | :20:07. | |
spending our country has ever seen. He also presided over | :20:08. | :20:11. | |
ground-breaking legislation setting up the pension protection fund, | :20:12. | :20:16. | |
setting up the pension credit and many other initiatives. He was a | :20:17. | :20:24. | |
very humble man. He will stress that his achievements came about through | :20:25. | :20:29. | |
working with others either in this house or in Oxford. When he was in | :20:30. | :20:35. | |
the Cabinet, his own television was so dilapidated it had to be hit many | :20:36. | :20:40. | |
times before it would actually work! He was very humble but fairly | :20:41. | :20:45. | |
straightforward. I am sure that members on all sides of the house | :20:46. | :20:50. | |
will wish me very long and happy retirement. Oxford East could be | :20:51. | :21:03. | |
imagined as a constituency populated only by mysterious dawns. But it | :21:04. | :21:12. | |
also has an industrial heritage and a great industrial potential. What | :21:13. | :21:19. | |
was the steel plant, know a BMW plant produces nearly 250,000 cars | :21:20. | :21:25. | |
every year. The engineers and technicians are amongst the best in | :21:26. | :21:31. | |
the world. Oxford was a city which voted to remain in the European | :21:32. | :21:38. | |
Union. But no one voted to deny the city its potential. It is essential | :21:39. | :21:42. | |
that European markets remain open to the likes of BMW and that Oxford | :21:43. | :21:49. | |
maintains its many links with global science. It is a city which has | :21:50. | :21:57. | |
always worked out words is the first-ever Oxfam shop remains | :21:58. | :22:05. | |
others. People from all over the world coal Oxford East its home. We | :22:06. | :22:11. | |
have many different religion religions within the constituency | :22:12. | :22:20. | |
and a fuel the potential of all our people has been held back. Yes the | :22:21. | :22:26. | |
funeral of Bill Buckingham, a Labour councillor for 70 years. He died at | :22:27. | :22:37. | |
the age of 96. He has many that after he kickbacks from serving in | :22:38. | :22:44. | |
the Second World War, he wanted social equality. As Bevan put it at | :22:45. | :22:52. | |
the time, we need high-quality housing so that the grocer, picture | :22:53. | :22:57. | |
and farm labourer could be neighbours without social | :22:58. | :23:03. | |
distinction. What of that survives no? House prices rent in Oxford are | :23:04. | :23:08. | |
the least affordable and Britain out of London. People renting have less | :23:09. | :23:15. | |
rates and if they were buying a refrigerator. People are being | :23:16. | :23:23. | |
forced out of this city of having the claim of not coming more than | :23:24. | :23:30. | |
the minimum wage. People are doing their best to bring up their | :23:31. | :23:35. | |
children in low-income in Oxford are the heroes and heroines of today. | :23:36. | :23:39. | |
They are often running between more than one job to make ends meet. They | :23:40. | :23:49. | |
did like to hear politicians see that there's no such thing as in | :23:50. | :23:55. | |
work poverty. Oxford needs more genuinely affordable houses, the | :23:56. | :24:04. | |
affordability is not ?400,000. That is currently the case. It has to | :24:05. | :24:11. | |
recognise houses as homes and places to live, not merely investment | :24:12. | :24:15. | |
opportunities. We need to unlock the potential of our communities and not | :24:16. | :24:20. | |
allow them to be asset stripped. I love of my family in the | :24:21. | :24:29. | |
constituency which is a very wonderful and friendly place, but | :24:30. | :24:33. | |
nearly half the children on the estate are being brought up in | :24:34. | :24:39. | |
poverty. Many people kept the local community centre going through good | :24:40. | :24:45. | |
times and bad, even after it was burnt down. I loved meeting other | :24:46. | :24:50. | |
appearance at the children's centre of the my first child four years | :24:51. | :24:59. | |
ago. By the time my daughter arrived 18 months ago, there were no more | :25:00. | :25:06. | |
baby sessions available. It was only available for supervised contact | :25:07. | :25:12. | |
session for two hours a week. Community spaces like children | :25:13. | :25:15. | |
centre may not grab headlines, but for many people, the mean the | :25:16. | :25:20. | |
difference between loneliness and friendship, ill health and | :25:21. | :25:25. | |
well-being and seclusion and neighbourliness. Oxford East and its | :25:26. | :25:30. | |
incredible people have incredible potential but they feel they are too | :25:31. | :25:36. | |
often held back. I will devote the time they have given me in this | :25:37. | :25:41. | |
place to ensure a better, brighter and theatre future for them and | :25:42. | :25:44. | |
people like them across the country. Thank you. Can I start by paying | :25:45. | :25:58. | |
tribute to the member for Kingston-Upon-Hull for her | :25:59. | :26:06. | |
persistence on this issue. To also welcome the ministers statement that | :26:07. | :26:11. | |
a public enquiry will happen on these important issues and the Prime | :26:12. | :26:17. | |
Minister has clearly listen to the views across the house on this | :26:18. | :26:26. | |
matter. Richard and his wife came to tell me about his story. He was the | :26:27. | :26:36. | |
haemophiliac and went to a physically disabled school in | :26:37. | :26:43. | |
Hampshire when he was 11. For six years, he was given hundreds of | :26:44. | :26:48. | |
thousands of units of factor eight. Prior to that, he had been given an | :26:49. | :26:56. | |
alternative which was perfectly fine in moderating the condition. This | :26:57. | :27:10. | |
meant for Richard change throughout his lifetime. There were 75 people | :27:11. | :27:20. | |
in the school alongside him. Sadly, 64 of them are no longer with us and | :27:21. | :27:23. | |
many of those young people died in the teenage years. | :27:24. | :27:31. | |
It was an added tragedy when Richard and his wife told me that having got | :27:32. | :27:39. | |
the very good news that they got married and decided to have | :27:40. | :27:48. | |
children, they were, due to the risk of the hepatitis affecting his | :27:49. | :27:55. | |
child, they had a late term termination of that baby. These | :27:56. | :27:59. | |
diseases affect many things throughout our lifetime. Of course I | :28:00. | :28:05. | |
neglected to congratulate the Honourable member for Oxford East | :28:06. | :28:10. | |
for her very fine maiden speech, and she certainly made a better job than | :28:11. | :28:20. | |
I did two years ago. Highly relevant to the topic. Am sure she will make | :28:21. | :28:25. | |
many fine contributions in the many years ahead. We have congratulated | :28:26. | :28:35. | |
her on her maiden speech was not talking about the challenges | :28:36. | :28:42. | |
affected by contaminated blood sufferers having children. Does the | :28:43. | :28:45. | |
enquiry needs to consider the situation is of those people who | :28:46. | :28:51. | |
like my constituent had one round of IVF treatment from the NHS, but not | :28:52. | :28:59. | |
entitled to the second round, he had to pay for it himself, that kind of | :29:00. | :29:02. | |
conversation should be considered in the round when looking at the effect | :29:03. | :29:12. | |
of this people in -- on people. There are so many tragic obligations | :29:13. | :29:15. | |
with these diseases and the treatment they receive are clearly | :29:16. | :29:19. | |
of my photos of the afternoon and had they had knowledge of these | :29:20. | :29:23. | |
treatment with have any adverse impact. My constituents, Helen, who | :29:24. | :29:33. | |
moved into thousand six, she was infected in the 80s, when moving to | :29:34. | :29:45. | |
my area within the knee -- with a new GP she was as having these | :29:46. | :29:54. | |
obligations. There are so many issues, diabetes, rheumatoid | :29:55. | :29:58. | |
arthritis, it has had a huge impact on her life. She calls herself a | :29:59. | :30:04. | |
ticking time bomb, having to look at setting up a new life with her | :30:05. | :30:11. | |
husband and two children. I spoke to both my constituents today who | :30:12. | :30:15. | |
talked quite incredibly how they seemed to carry these burdens so | :30:16. | :30:19. | |
lightly, and certainly in terms of when they speak to me about these | :30:20. | :30:22. | |
issues they have moved on from the principal issues which were | :30:23. | :30:27. | |
compensation and now what they want is a public enquiry to get to the | :30:28. | :30:32. | |
bottom of this issue. It is about answers, and I'm not saying that | :30:33. | :30:35. | |
compensation is and involvement, it is hugely important for them and | :30:36. | :30:38. | |
their spouses and their children but today what they wanted answers with | :30:39. | :30:44. | |
what was known. I happy for him to give way and he is making a very | :30:45. | :30:50. | |
good case. Would it not be the case that now is the chancel transparency | :30:51. | :30:54. | |
to be at the core of the enquiry, welcoming as we do the funding and | :30:55. | :31:00. | |
enquiry, but isn't transparently what it is all about? I welcome as | :31:01. | :31:05. | |
the minister may confirm if he gets the chance at the end of the debate, | :31:06. | :31:11. | |
the government has I believe released all documents in its | :31:12. | :31:16. | |
possession. We should have absolute and Rosie, the ability to interview | :31:17. | :31:19. | |
key witnesses involved in the tragedy. -- absolute transparency. | :31:20. | :31:26. | |
What is known, won the biggest issues we have had. Helen me about | :31:27. | :31:31. | |
despite the fact she didn't find out until 20 minutes afterwards -- 20 | :31:32. | :31:36. | |
years afterwards she was infected, the hospital had known for years. | :31:37. | :31:42. | |
Richard sent me a passage that he had found, done some research and | :31:43. | :31:54. | |
apparently in 1975 the Professor of California blood medicine rose to | :31:55. | :32:02. | |
someone in 1975 to warn him of dangerous plasma sourced from high | :32:03. | :32:06. | |
risk paid skid Row donors and business saying that it was | :32:07. | :32:10. | |
extraordinary hazardous. These are the questions that my constituents | :32:11. | :32:15. | |
want answers, what was known about the risks? Should people have been | :32:16. | :32:20. | |
informed about the change in approach? Why when things were found | :32:21. | :32:32. | |
out about these issues, why those products were withdrawn. Was it a | :32:33. | :32:42. | |
case of negligence? Was it a paternalistic approach by | :32:43. | :32:44. | |
clinicians? Was it incompetence? These are the questions that we need | :32:45. | :32:50. | |
answers to. I welcome the fact that the government has done more than | :32:51. | :32:53. | |
any other in terms of compensation and it has now done more than any in | :32:54. | :32:59. | |
transparency, and bringing forward a public enquiry which I very much | :33:00. | :33:03. | |
welcome. I hope I can play my part in making sure my constituents get | :33:04. | :33:07. | |
these answers, and all other people affected by this terrible tragedy, | :33:08. | :33:12. | |
for my constituents, their loved ones, that we get clear answers and | :33:13. | :33:15. | |
resolution to many of these questions. Can I just remind | :33:16. | :33:24. | |
Honourable members that the speaker did ask if speeches could be kept to | :33:25. | :33:27. | |
around five minutes. Alison Thewliss. Thank you very much. I | :33:28. | :33:33. | |
would first like to pay tribute for the Honourable member of Kingston | :33:34. | :33:40. | |
upon Hull North, and to Andy Burnham and others who have pursued this | :33:41. | :33:44. | |
relentlessly. It is testament to their commitment that they have kept | :33:45. | :33:46. | |
going with this when all hope seems to be lost. I would also like to pay | :33:47. | :33:50. | |
tribute to the member for Oxford East on her excellent maiden speech. | :33:51. | :33:54. | |
There's lots of common ground there, and hope to work together over the | :33:55. | :33:59. | |
coming months and years. Adams that it is bigger than before Parliament | :34:00. | :34:03. | |
broke up in April Andy Burnham laid a challenge to all parties in now | :34:04. | :34:06. | |
has a commitment in their manifestos to the victim of contaminated blood | :34:07. | :34:11. | |
and I'm pleased my party saw fit to do so, saying within the manifesto | :34:12. | :34:15. | |
that the victims of the man -- contaminated blood products deserve | :34:16. | :34:21. | |
answers. In 2008, the Penrose enquiry was established by the | :34:22. | :34:25. | |
Scottish Government the mail reporting in 2015. We have | :34:26. | :34:27. | |
substantially improved the compensation scheme, best in the UK. | :34:28. | :34:32. | |
SNP MPs will support a full public enquiry on the issue, in the rest of | :34:33. | :34:36. | |
the UK, and they are proud to stand by those words here today. I am | :34:37. | :34:40. | |
incredibly pleased and surprised here that the government has changed | :34:41. | :34:44. | |
their stance on this issue. When we met last April, it didn't feel as | :34:45. | :34:50. | |
though anything much more was going to happen. On this. And the change | :34:51. | :34:54. | |
in attitude from the government is very, very welcome. I wouldn't want | :34:55. | :34:58. | |
to appear churlish in this at all but it certainly is a change to | :34:59. | :35:01. | |
Parliament, and the change numbers in this Parliament do make something | :35:02. | :35:04. | |
that seemed impossible before now open for debate, and I am very glad | :35:05. | :35:09. | |
to see that. There has been recognition of the limitations | :35:10. | :35:13. | |
Penrose, and what this, to -- Scottish Government could do. We had | :35:14. | :35:16. | |
a limited remit to consider negligence, so it is good to have | :35:17. | :35:21. | |
now this opportunity to really look at all these issues and I'm glad the | :35:22. | :35:25. | |
government has committed to work with the devolved administrations | :35:26. | :35:27. | |
because we now have the experience of having done so, having gone | :35:28. | :35:30. | |
through the enquiry limited as it was. I hope to hear more about the | :35:31. | :35:38. | |
ways in which Scottish Government can help, with victims in Scotland | :35:39. | :35:41. | |
brought in as part of the purposeless. As the debate in April | :35:42. | :35:46. | |
2016, Mike constituents, Maria, I haven't been able to reach her on | :35:47. | :35:55. | |
her views, it is a bit late in the day but I would like to put on the | :35:56. | :36:00. | |
record a gamer reared receive the buttons whose enduring a | :36:01. | :36:05. | |
miscarriage. -- Maria received a transfusion during a miscarriage. | :36:06. | :36:12. | |
She would want this house to know that in the 36 years that she has | :36:13. | :36:15. | |
lived with hepatitis C she doesn't want charity, she doesn't want | :36:16. | :36:19. | |
vouchers, just one hand-outs, she wants to be treated fairly and with | :36:20. | :36:23. | |
dignity and that is the very least she was deserve in this process. I | :36:24. | :36:30. | |
thank her for giving way. The Oxford haemophilia centre serves my | :36:31. | :36:32. | |
constituents and so I thank the Honourable member for bringing this | :36:33. | :36:38. | |
to our attention. Do you agree that is not just transparency but also | :36:39. | :36:41. | |
justice that those victims want, and which she also agree with me that if | :36:42. | :36:45. | |
we do find evidence of a cover-up that those individuals should also | :36:46. | :36:50. | |
face the full force of the law? I absolutely agree and I am glad she | :36:51. | :36:54. | |
raised the point because it is what I was moving on to next. Without | :36:55. | :36:58. | |
that justice, these victims will never feel as though they have been | :36:59. | :37:01. | |
well served, they will feel as though they have lost out as part of | :37:02. | :37:04. | |
the process and there has been no justice. This is why we need to look | :37:05. | :37:09. | |
at the issues in medical records being changed because there must | :37:10. | :37:13. | |
have been some clear instruction from somebody to do so. These kinds | :37:14. | :37:16. | |
of cover-ups do not happen on their own and we must find those lines of | :37:17. | :37:21. | |
results ability that said two people delete those records, don't tell | :37:22. | :37:24. | |
people about this, test people that don't let them know. All of these | :37:25. | :37:32. | |
questions must be answered, what was known, when and by whom. In the | :37:33. | :37:36. | |
search for answers as well, we must recognise that some of these answers | :37:37. | :37:39. | |
can't be given because they are held in the United States, and we must | :37:40. | :37:43. | |
find ways if ministers can reach out and speak to their counterparts, in | :37:44. | :37:47. | |
other parts of the world, to try and find answers to these questions, if | :37:48. | :37:51. | |
there are means of doing so, in cooperation with the American | :37:52. | :37:53. | |
government these must be found as well. We must have confidence in the | :37:54. | :37:59. | |
processes that we have today as well and I understand the US that it | :38:00. | :38:04. | |
screening but donations in 1983. We didn't start to do that until 1991, | :38:05. | :38:09. | |
and I'm conscious that if I go to give but the integrity of the system | :38:10. | :38:13. | |
is based on my honesty at every stage. We must make sure that | :38:14. | :38:17. | |
systems that they are as robust as an integral and as good as possible. | :38:18. | :38:25. | |
The enquiry today, reaching out to those receiving funds through | :38:26. | :38:28. | |
covering schemes, I would hope that is done with cooperation with the | :38:29. | :38:31. | |
devolved administrations where they are responsible for that and I would | :38:32. | :38:33. | |
encourage the government to carry out advertising to seek ways in as | :38:34. | :38:37. | |
wide a means as possible of contacting people to let them know | :38:38. | :38:40. | |
because it is maybe a tummy has died and family members aren't aware of | :38:41. | :38:44. | |
this and we must try to reach out as widely as we can cover to social | :38:45. | :38:48. | |
media law advertising whatever means, to get as many people | :38:49. | :38:51. | |
involved in this enquiry as well. We need to make people's supported to | :38:52. | :38:57. | |
give evidence because this could be a very traumatic and spares for | :38:58. | :39:01. | |
some, may need counselling or emotional support to attend and | :39:02. | :39:04. | |
produce documents and make sure the documents reach the enquiry, and on | :39:05. | :39:11. | |
those documents, in their response this, documents must be treated with | :39:12. | :39:14. | |
the utmost care and protection. People are quite rightly hugely | :39:15. | :39:19. | |
sceptical about their documents. We must make sure that the integrity of | :39:20. | :39:23. | |
these documents is right, that people can trust that if they set | :39:24. | :39:26. | |
met evidence that evidence will not be lost. I go for government | :39:27. | :39:30. | |
evidence as well as private Evans belonged to the members of the | :39:31. | :39:33. | |
public as well. We have waited too long, far too long on this for | :39:34. | :39:37. | |
justice. We encourage the government to carry out this enquiry, that this | :39:38. | :39:41. | |
justice is maintained, that this is not dragged out with many many years | :39:42. | :39:46. | |
without answer, people have waited far too long for justice and they | :39:47. | :39:51. | |
should not have to wait much longer. Anna Soubry. It is a pleasure to see | :39:52. | :39:58. | |
you in your place, at Madam Deputy Speaker, it is the first time I have | :39:59. | :40:01. | |
seen you in that chair. I would like to make a few comments because my | :40:02. | :40:07. | |
involvement in this was as I think perhaps the 2nd Minister for the | :40:08. | :40:10. | |
Public health at the Honourable member for Kingston Apollo whole had | :40:11. | :40:16. | |
the great misfortune I would have said to come and see them as she | :40:17. | :40:20. | |
did, with all the vim and vigour that she has brought to this | :40:21. | :40:23. | |
campaign, over seven long delays. -- seven long years. It is to long that | :40:24. | :40:32. | |
justice is finally to come about. When the Honourable Lady came to | :40:33. | :40:36. | |
talk to me was the biggest concern them burning injustice, and frankly | :40:37. | :40:40. | |
it just come from my point of view, it just felt that there was | :40:41. | :40:43. | |
something not right. Couldn't put my finger on it, there was something | :40:44. | :40:49. | |
inherently that led you something along the view that something was | :40:50. | :40:54. | |
not right. That was supported by the attitude of some I came across who | :40:55. | :40:59. | |
wanted not just to sweep it under the carpet but just not want to do | :41:00. | :41:04. | |
with it any longer, try somehow to move onto other areas about how we | :41:05. | :41:09. | |
could help is unfortunate victims. At that time that second part of the | :41:10. | :41:15. | |
great injustice, I want to talk much more about, the money. There are two | :41:16. | :41:22. | |
points to all of this. The great injustice of the fact that this | :41:23. | :41:27. | |
terrible scandal happened, and it happens decades ago, when | :41:28. | :41:30. | |
governments of both political colours, and in fact the third | :41:31. | :41:35. | |
colour of the coalition failed to grasp it in the way that I, and I | :41:36. | :41:39. | |
have to say, others in government wanted to, and I am going to pay | :41:40. | :41:44. | |
fulsome tribute to my right honourable friend the member for | :41:45. | :41:47. | |
North East Bedfordshire who if I put it this way absolutely got it, right | :41:48. | :41:53. | |
honourable friend the member for Guildford who after the Honourable | :41:54. | :41:59. | |
Lady for Kingston-upon-Hull ask the question last week of the Prime | :42:00. | :42:03. | |
Minister, we were sitting here, next to each other, I won't repeat | :42:04. | :42:05. | |
everything that we said, but we basically said to each other for | :42:06. | :42:11. | |
goodness sakes, words to that effect, let's just get on and get | :42:12. | :42:16. | |
this done properly. Not just a public enquiry, but most importantly | :42:17. | :42:20. | |
I would say the money. As I say I will come onto that and I also want | :42:21. | :42:23. | |
to pay tribute to Jane Anderson who is also the previous Minister for | :42:24. | :42:27. | |
Public health and I know that Jane got this as well. | :42:28. | :42:35. | |
It took the extra material forthcoming in recent times to be | :42:36. | :42:41. | |
able to inform the government is to further evidence that there should | :42:42. | :42:50. | |
be an enquiry. Members on both sides of the house care about this and see | :42:51. | :42:58. | |
that something needs to be done. It needs political will, so I pay | :42:59. | :43:02. | |
handsome tribute to the Prime Minister for not messing about on | :43:03. | :43:13. | |
this. I know my honourable friend the Secretary of State will have | :43:14. | :43:17. | |
made the case to the Prime Minister. She has not missed the boat. She has | :43:18. | :43:22. | |
taken the rate decision and we will know have a public enquiry. But | :43:23. | :43:29. | |
there is this second grave injustice. I was reminded of this by | :43:30. | :43:35. | |
correspondence I had from parents and my constituency. The sun went | :43:36. | :43:47. | |
blind from haemophilia. He was diagnosed with HIV and hepatitis C. | :43:48. | :44:01. | |
He has been the victim of terrible prejudice. Horrible story is a | :44:02. | :44:05. | |
bullying. No he is married and the father of a child, | :44:06. | :44:16. | |
the complaint is that they can only see the good in people and their | :44:17. | :44:26. | |
only concern is to see the suffering of their child. They just want a | :44:27. | :44:36. | |
proper financial package. We have heard from many members talking | :44:37. | :44:49. | |
about this payment scheme. Could a bigger government, that these | :44:50. | :44:55. | |
schemes have yet to be sorted out. Scrap. Get rid of them. Give these | :44:56. | :45:03. | |
people the money they deserve and need. Do not give it as an extra | :45:04. | :45:12. | |
payment. Do not have them scrabbling about on countless bits of paper | :45:13. | :45:18. | |
going cap in hand for money. As if they have not suffered enough? So | :45:19. | :45:26. | |
they do not have to go, as the seer, bidding for bits of money. These | :45:27. | :45:34. | |
things are possible. It can be done. Get the money that is required and | :45:35. | :45:43. | |
then you have to do is not look at liability, but a quantum. How much | :45:44. | :45:55. | |
does each individual with the be entitled to if liability was not an | :45:56. | :45:59. | |
issue and it was just about how much. And then do the right thing. I | :46:00. | :46:04. | |
do believe government can find the money. I know many members, | :46:05. | :46:10. | |
including the former Prime Minister David Cameron, said it was not the | :46:11. | :46:20. | |
right time to do that, but he got the ball moving and it is no time to | :46:21. | :46:24. | |
sort out the second grave injustice, the money. Get the money together | :46:25. | :46:30. | |
and give these people everything that they absolutely deserve and the | :46:31. | :46:36. | |
need and then finally, the great injustice, the national scandal will | :46:37. | :46:49. | |
be sorted out and solved. Thank you. I first became engaged in this issue | :46:50. | :46:59. | |
after 2010 when constituents contacted me. One constituent, in a | :47:00. | :47:07. | |
remarkable man called Andrew, I feel slightly ashamed I did not totally | :47:08. | :47:13. | |
understand the utter tragedy of contaminated blood. It has not been | :47:14. | :47:22. | |
with us for just seven years, it has been with as for 30 years. We feel | :47:23. | :47:35. | |
to with it. In the same way as we have feel to deal with the likes of | :47:36. | :47:41. | |
Hillsborough quickly. I would like to talk about the remit of the | :47:42. | :47:48. | |
enquiry. This is not just about the feeling which led to the infections | :47:49. | :47:53. | |
in the first place. Until recently, the government would not even | :47:54. | :48:06. | |
mention the word negligence. Thanks to the work and reborn gnome has | :48:07. | :48:10. | |
done, we are talking about criminality. -- Andy Burnham. We can | :48:11. | :48:20. | |
make comparisons with Hillsborough over many years. The victims were | :48:21. | :48:28. | |
ignored and badly treated. We have to look at the Beacon and financing. | :48:29. | :48:38. | |
The schemes, the administration of it, has been appalling. What we | :48:39. | :48:46. | |
needed is a bespoke solution. We are talking about a finite and | :48:47. | :48:51. | |
decreasing number of people. Everybody is in a different | :48:52. | :48:58. | |
position. There are circumstances, health and personal needs. Finally, | :48:59. | :49:01. | |
in relation to the way they have had to fight, they do again pay tribute | :49:02. | :49:10. | |
to my honourable friend from Kingston-Upon-Hull, I just wish the | :49:11. | :49:18. | |
all-party group had a loving people like her. The victims have had to | :49:19. | :49:27. | |
fight and fight to get compensation. I have taken part in the seven | :49:28. | :49:34. | |
defeats during recent years and I am pleased to see the Minister is open | :49:35. | :49:41. | |
to an enquiry of which has complete power. We need to be able to call | :49:42. | :49:48. | |
witnesses and interrogate experience. We do need forensic | :49:49. | :49:53. | |
skills, but the enquiry has to have credibility and trust. We do not | :49:54. | :49:58. | |
want to make the same stakes we have made with the sexual abuse | :49:59. | :50:06. | |
enquiries. I was listening to the radio the other day to Doctor | :50:07. | :50:12. | |
Richard Stone because he was someone trusted by the local community and I | :50:13. | :50:19. | |
think what we need here is a combination of those skills and | :50:20. | :50:24. | |
people who know the issues and the skills involved and trusted. We need | :50:25. | :50:33. | |
full access to documentation. We have to give proper representation | :50:34. | :50:36. | |
to the victims and their families and I hope the government is now | :50:37. | :50:41. | |
discovering that it's neglect of social housing over many years I | :50:42. | :50:53. | |
also force economies. In the last debate, Andy Burnham held it in this | :50:54. | :51:04. | |
house a few months ago, we were told a public enquiry was not | :51:05. | :51:12. | |
appropriate. Nonconsensual testing, victims not been informed of results | :51:13. | :51:19. | |
of testing, nonconsensual research involving previously untested | :51:20. | :51:24. | |
patients. When people we are informed, they were informed in | :51:25. | :51:33. | |
hospital corridors. Lies were told. All within the relatively recent | :51:34. | :51:39. | |
past. The allegations in relation to documents been destroyed and people | :51:40. | :51:44. | |
not being available to answer questions. All this has to be | :51:45. | :51:48. | |
addressed through this enquiry. Can I end by referring to the remarks by | :51:49. | :52:00. | |
Andrew March. With his consent, there are powerful details which she | :52:01. | :52:05. | |
courageously put out into the public domain because he wanted to get to | :52:06. | :52:09. | |
the bottom of this. He wrote in a letter to me, essentially, I am one | :52:10. | :52:19. | |
of the patients who was not informed that I had hepatitis in the 1980s. I | :52:20. | :52:27. | |
have since been informed I have hepatitis C. Despite testing me | :52:28. | :52:36. | |
years earlier without myself or my parents knowing, I only found out by | :52:37. | :52:43. | |
accident in 1992 when I transferred my key from Warwick to London. On | :52:44. | :52:52. | |
further discussion, Mr March did not seem to be only a few was hepatitis | :52:53. | :53:04. | |
C and we spent considerable time discussing it and the possibility of | :53:05. | :53:17. | |
antibody activity. He was one of the 250 HIV haemophiliacs from the 1980s | :53:18. | :53:22. | |
still lives today. Hundreds have died in recent decades, many of them | :53:23. | :53:28. | |
my friends. I have to deal with the negative effects of cirrhosis of the | :53:29. | :53:29. | |
liver. This tragedy, this avoidable tragedy | :53:30. | :53:47. | |
has completely transformed Andrew 's life. It has put him at the huge | :53:48. | :53:57. | |
disadvantage. He has never received the proper explanation. Despite | :53:58. | :54:03. | |
that, he has devoted his life to ensuring justice will be done. Many | :54:04. | :54:10. | |
of the other victims are already did. We need to read this enquiry | :54:11. | :54:21. | |
under in which nothing is unexposed we need to it at the speedy claim. | :54:22. | :54:28. | |
If we do not do so, there will be a reduced number of people who get | :54:29. | :54:36. | |
justice. Wellcome Madam Deputy Speaker. The very unreal case he | :54:37. | :54:47. | |
mentioned, few of us could believe it was true if we had not lived with | :54:48. | :54:54. | |
it ourselves. I would pay tribute to all the campaigners up and down the | :54:55. | :55:00. | |
country who have got this on the agenda, particularly the member for | :55:01. | :55:07. | |
Kingston-Upon-Hull. It shows how Parliament can work. People can make | :55:08. | :55:13. | |
a difference. I hope we will make a difference to those people who have | :55:14. | :55:16. | |
suffered. I hope today's announcement will really change | :55:17. | :55:23. | |
people's lives. I would like to thank the Prime Minister and the | :55:24. | :55:27. | |
government for listening and for responding over this very tragic | :55:28. | :55:31. | |
affair. I wanted to talk about when I first become the MP for Taunton, | :55:32. | :55:37. | |
one of the first people who came to see meat came to my surgery the | :55:38. | :55:42. | |
desperate story of how their whole life had been blighted by being | :55:43. | :55:46. | |
treated inadvertently with infected blood like so many other examples we | :55:47. | :55:53. | |
have here today. I was rather naive, having never engaged in anything | :55:54. | :55:56. | |
like this before and I was very shocked by the whole experience. | :55:57. | :56:03. | |
Having been given the infected blood, and then plagued the whole of | :56:04. | :56:07. | |
his life. It was not just that he was ill. His all quality of life was | :56:08. | :56:16. | |
affected. What resonated most was it affected his haul relationship with | :56:17. | :56:19. | |
his son. He could not spend enough time with him. One thing we all take | :56:20. | :56:29. | |
for granted as parents, some sort of inheritance, for a car or a better | :56:30. | :56:34. | |
financial help, but he was distraught because he thought he had | :56:35. | :56:40. | |
not done justice to his son because he was so ill he had a problem | :56:41. | :56:44. | |
holding down continuous employment. He was also carried this with him | :56:45. | :56:52. | |
for the whole of his life. There were two practical concerns she | :56:53. | :56:57. | |
raised about the system, where we have tried to help. One was | :56:58. | :57:03. | |
financial support, which was not sufficient for him to feel secure | :57:04. | :57:08. | |
and he was constantly struggling. Secondly, the scheme which | :57:09. | :57:15. | |
administered as payment has been referred to by colleagues today was | :57:16. | :57:18. | |
not working it effectively and not adequately supporting those designed | :57:19. | :57:24. | |
to help. I have spoken on this issue number of times before as real as | :57:25. | :57:30. | |
making recommendations to the Department of Health. The government | :57:31. | :57:33. | |
have listened and this autumn and new single scheme I absolutely | :57:34. | :57:41. | |
welcome with the additional funding of ?125 million. That is being made | :57:42. | :57:47. | |
available and will replace the complicated system of five support | :57:48. | :57:52. | |
schemes. The devil will be in the detail. But I know the government | :57:53. | :57:56. | |
will be taking into consideration all the comments from the | :57:57. | :57:59. | |
consultation and hopefully this will either note some of the problems | :58:00. | :58:01. | |
that people have been struggling with and will make life better for | :58:02. | :58:03. | |
the victims. I am pleased as well with the move | :58:04. | :58:12. | |
is the government has taken over the whole issue of transparency, also | :58:13. | :58:15. | |
much referred to today in the chamber. I do appreciate that asks a | :58:16. | :58:21. | |
very serious questions about how this has been handled in the past, | :58:22. | :58:27. | |
and from now on in I know that ministers are keen to make sure they | :58:28. | :58:30. | |
will make all information readily available. This has been promised in | :58:31. | :58:40. | |
the enquiry. I am very grateful for her to give way because I have a | :58:41. | :58:46. | |
constituent also affected by a contaminated blood since the 1960s | :58:47. | :58:50. | |
and he will be delighted that this public enquiry is coming forward | :58:51. | :58:55. | |
because he wants to know why it has happened stop and he wants to know | :58:56. | :59:00. | |
how he can get exact access to compensation, and that transparency | :59:01. | :59:04. | |
is absolutely vital in this case. I couldn't agree more. Transparency | :59:05. | :59:11. | |
really must and should be at Slaley at the heart of this enquiry. I know | :59:12. | :59:17. | |
that is very important for my constituency but also for my | :59:18. | :59:21. | |
constituent, but also to all those up the country who have had their | :59:22. | :59:25. | |
lives changed for ever to no photo of their own. That is what we must | :59:26. | :59:28. | |
remember, nothing put upon themselves. To wind up, I really do | :59:29. | :59:32. | |
want to thank the government for listening. And giving this | :59:33. | :59:37. | |
attention. Having the issue the attention it really deserves. Also, | :59:38. | :59:41. | |
for more than doubling the Department annual spend in this | :59:42. | :59:47. | |
area, let's make that funding simple, and let's really make it | :59:48. | :59:50. | |
gets to the people that really need it. More importantly, I thank the | :59:51. | :59:55. | |
government for announcing this enquiry and I will be able to go | :59:56. | :59:58. | |
back to my constituent that I mentioned at the beginning of my | :59:59. | :00:01. | |
speech and give him a further glimmer of hope. A colour that the | :00:02. | :00:07. | |
Prime Minister has understood and will listen and has called the | :00:08. | :00:12. | |
enquiry and beacon that we will get the enquiry right. Public enquiries | :00:13. | :00:16. | |
are rare events and we need is to ensure this work. New evidence will | :00:17. | :00:20. | |
emerge, and that will be made available and I urge all relevant | :00:21. | :00:24. | |
and commercially sensitive documents are made available, and with the | :00:25. | :00:28. | |
right framework, progress can be done, and Madame Debbie gives the | :00:29. | :00:32. | |
guy hope that the right thing will be done at last. And I urge the | :00:33. | :00:36. | |
Minister for this enquiry above all not to drag on. Because for those | :00:37. | :00:44. | |
who have suffered, too long already time unfortunately is of the | :00:45. | :00:51. | |
essence. Thank you Madam Deputy Speaker. I wanted to speak today on | :00:52. | :00:55. | |
behalf of my constituents Lynne Ashcroft and the Smith family who I | :00:56. | :01:01. | |
will come onto later, who were both victims of the contaminated blood | :01:02. | :01:05. | |
scandal. I would like to congratulate my honourable friend | :01:06. | :01:10. | |
from Oxford eased for an excellent maiden speech and you quite rightly | :01:11. | :01:17. | |
highlighted from the campaign is in her local constituency the | :01:18. | :01:20. | |
importance of this issue. I look forward to more speeches. I would | :01:21. | :01:25. | |
also adds to the tribute of the Honourable friend from Kingston and | :01:26. | :01:31. | |
whole north. We have this debate here today because of her, she has | :01:32. | :01:34. | |
worked absolutely tirelessly with Honourable members, and indeed it is | :01:35. | :01:39. | |
a parliamentary life well spent on this issue if not all the other | :01:40. | :01:44. | |
things I know she has campaigned on. She has done it for the victims, and | :01:45. | :01:48. | |
welcoming the announcement in the public enquiry today by the | :01:49. | :01:52. | |
government I would be very much in agreement with mountable friend that | :01:53. | :01:54. | |
it is important for the families this. This has been a long, long | :01:55. | :02:01. | |
time coming will stop we have failed this community many times and they | :02:02. | :02:05. | |
need to be at the heart of it and have confidence in this public | :02:06. | :02:09. | |
enquiry. Because it is absolutely shameful really that 45 years since | :02:10. | :02:14. | |
the first people were infected with HIV and hepatitis from NHS supplied | :02:15. | :02:21. | |
contaminated blood, still we have not got to the truth for the | :02:22. | :02:24. | |
community affected who have been left so often out but still come | :02:25. | :02:27. | |
here lured endlessly to lobby and cause manages to -- fight for | :02:28. | :02:35. | |
justice. I pray tribute to their strength. I am struck, I remember a | :02:36. | :02:40. | |
family telling me not long ago that in the end they had used up going to | :02:41. | :02:43. | |
the funerals of the friends that they had made as part of this | :02:44. | :02:48. | |
campaign because it just got too heartbreaking. There were just too | :02:49. | :02:51. | |
many funerals to go to. And I think that is really sad. And as the | :02:52. | :02:57. | |
Honourable member said in his last speech said there is plenty of new | :02:58. | :03:04. | |
evidence that's backs up what campaigners have known in their | :03:05. | :03:08. | |
bones. The risks were known at the time and still used. People are used | :03:09. | :03:14. | |
for testing and guinea pigs and efforts were made to surpass that | :03:15. | :03:19. | |
truth, and these people went to the NHS for treatment and were infected | :03:20. | :03:23. | |
by blood provided by the NHS, provided by the state and they have | :03:24. | :03:26. | |
had to fight for years for this to be acknowledged. Mole -- are no | :03:27. | :03:31. | |
fault has been admitted by the pharmaceutical companies or the | :03:32. | :03:37. | |
government. No one could have known at the time about the problem with | :03:38. | :03:41. | |
this blood, is what has been said. Through the work of the campaign we | :03:42. | :03:45. | |
now have the new evidence that it was known, which is why the enquiry | :03:46. | :03:49. | |
must start now so we can get to the truth once and for all. The | :03:50. | :03:53. | |
Honourable member for whole north said of the 2400 people who have | :03:54. | :03:58. | |
died, thousand Moors had their lives wrecked. I want to talk about one | :03:59. | :04:03. | |
Colin Smith from Newport from my constituency. One of the youngest | :04:04. | :04:05. | |
victims of the contaminated blood scandal. And illustrates just why | :04:06. | :04:09. | |
this enquiry can't come quickly enough. Colin went into Hospital in | :04:10. | :04:19. | |
1983, at eight months, for a minor it condition and received factor | :04:20. | :04:24. | |
eight as a haemophiliac, a freedom of information request reveals that | :04:25. | :04:32. | |
the factor came from a risen batch in Arkansas. He died in 1990. The | :04:33. | :04:36. | |
family didn't know he had hepatitis C until three years after his death, | :04:37. | :04:40. | |
kept secret as so much was hidden, and I hope this is look that in the | :04:41. | :04:45. | |
enquiry because people like Haydn Lewis, my honourable friend the | :04:46. | :04:50. | |
member for Cardiff Central mentioned earlier had to battle and battle to | :04:51. | :04:53. | |
find this information. Colin died aged seven and weighs just about the | :04:54. | :05:01. | |
same as a baby. I have talked about his story before in this chamber, | :05:02. | :05:05. | |
but telling these stories is such an important reminder of why here | :05:06. | :05:09. | |
today. It is also an important reason for having the public enquiry | :05:10. | :05:13. | |
because we now know as Colin's family knew in their hearts, I | :05:14. | :05:19. | |
think, for many years, but since is outlined in panorama and privatise | :05:20. | :05:23. | |
it recently and the light on haemophilia specialists in 1983 | :05:24. | :05:27. | |
reported that following his minor incident, and I quote from the | :05:28. | :05:30. | |
letter gone without any evidence of intracranial bleed the child, still | :05:31. | :05:35. | |
given factor eight. The specialists added that all the materials carried | :05:36. | :05:39. | |
the risk of hepatitis but this is something that haemophiliacs have to | :05:40. | :05:42. | |
accept. He said he would keep Colin and the close observation as months | :05:43. | :05:47. | |
go by. Six years later after Colin had died the same specialist wrote | :05:48. | :05:51. | |
to the pharmaceutical companies saying he could no longer survive | :05:52. | :05:55. | |
more samples because Colin was no longer at his facility. Colin's | :05:56. | :05:58. | |
family were never aware of this until much later. This and other | :05:59. | :06:04. | |
evidence need to be brought before the public enquiries that witnesses | :06:05. | :06:13. | |
can be compensated and evidence disclosed, because this evidence | :06:14. | :06:21. | |
evidence points to profit-making American companies go on air | :06:22. | :06:26. | |
evidence known in the 90s, are three years before and Colin was given | :06:27. | :06:30. | |
tainted blood. Thousands of people like Colin didn't make this far. He | :06:31. | :06:34. | |
never had the chance to join the Cubs, play football for school than | :06:35. | :06:37. | |
I have a girlfriend, go travelling or get married, instead in his short | :06:38. | :06:42. | |
life revolved around hospital doctors and illnesses and he was | :06:43. | :06:47. | |
just a little boy but a very special one, who we at tainted blood keep in | :06:48. | :06:51. | |
mind as we campaign. He is in my mind because everyday in my | :06:52. | :06:55. | |
constituency at home I drive past the Smith's house often, with my | :06:56. | :06:59. | |
eight-year-old son sat in the car next to me, and I imagine how I | :07:00. | :07:03. | |
would feel if this had to me. I would say to the Minister, would I | :07:04. | :07:10. | |
have been if there was a public apology, the limiting financial | :07:11. | :07:12. | |
support which people felt they have had to beg for, or would I want to | :07:13. | :07:18. | |
finally get to the truth? Nothing can bring back Colin or others but | :07:19. | :07:23. | |
we can at least have a public enquiry to get this right because | :07:24. | :07:27. | |
and we need to get it right, this time, because Colin's family and | :07:28. | :07:31. | |
others have been through so much over the years that we cannot let | :07:32. | :07:34. | |
them down again. Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker. It is a pleasure to | :07:35. | :07:40. | |
follow the member for Newport News and heavy reflection she has brought | :07:41. | :07:45. | |
and again, the personal stories. This is what brought me to the issue | :07:46. | :07:50. | |
two years ago, when first elected, someone came into my office heavily | :07:51. | :07:54. | |
disabled, someone who should have been fit and healthy and relatively | :07:55. | :07:58. | |
young, not that much older than myself but instead have had their | :07:59. | :08:02. | |
whole lives dominated by a series of treatments received back in the | :08:03. | :08:06. | |
1980s. The point I want to make is it is not an issue of a people | :08:07. | :08:10. | |
having a couple of opportunities away, losing a couple of quid or | :08:11. | :08:14. | |
working a bit longer to be able to finally retire, this is people who | :08:15. | :08:18. | |
who have had literally their whole lives going reasonably taken away. | :08:19. | :08:22. | |
Opportunities removed, and for many, this is touched two and a half | :08:23. | :08:26. | |
thousand people, the end of their life. This treatment programme | :08:27. | :08:33. | |
should help cure them. Doctors wouldn't be able to in an operating | :08:34. | :08:37. | |
theatre in a hospital look at every single thing they do, they had to | :08:38. | :08:42. | |
rely on those agencies that that things as safe, and certify things | :08:43. | :08:46. | |
as safe, and clearly in this issue there was a huge failure. I'm | :08:47. | :08:51. | |
pleased to see their progress has been over the last couple of years | :08:52. | :08:55. | |
was when I first spoke on this I suspect my predecessor when he was | :08:56. | :08:59. | |
elected in 1997 wouldn't have suspected his successor in 2015 to | :09:00. | :09:04. | |
still be talking about this issue. It is very welcome that we've all | :09:05. | :09:07. | |
finally have a public enquiry to look at the exact leak what went | :09:08. | :09:15. | |
wrong. The minister said there will be genuine consultation around in | :09:16. | :09:17. | |
terms of reference and those consultations will be the diary that | :09:18. | :09:21. | |
like a very important. There is evidence of criminal wondering, I am | :09:22. | :09:25. | |
clear that nothing done in the enquiry should prevent those people | :09:26. | :09:28. | |
being held potentially to account for the criminal liability in a | :09:29. | :09:33. | |
court of law. It will be a pity if the enquiry that finally brought | :09:34. | :09:36. | |
about justice and finally got answers was then the one that | :09:37. | :09:39. | |
prevented people from being hands to account criminally. The Bariloche is | :09:40. | :09:46. | |
be drawn with the Hillsborough enquiry, and everything that has | :09:47. | :09:49. | |
followed from that and hopefully in the system thing will happen if this | :09:50. | :09:53. | |
is established that there is evidence there and I think we will | :09:54. | :09:57. | |
all join the cause for anything made that anyone with evidence should | :09:58. | :10:00. | |
handed over to the police immediately, certainly should not be | :10:01. | :10:03. | |
withholding anything that would be interesting to the identification of | :10:04. | :10:07. | |
whether people need to be held to account in now way. I think it is | :10:08. | :10:11. | |
right that there is proper consultation on what form the | :10:12. | :10:15. | |
enquiry takes. Certainly I do think that we need to have some form of | :10:16. | :10:19. | |
ability to compel people to take part, and to provide some evidence | :10:20. | :10:23. | |
and I was reassured to hear the Minister consider those issues quite | :10:24. | :10:26. | |
carefully because that could Mike quite a difference because if there | :10:27. | :10:30. | |
is knowledge that the potential criminal sanctions are available, | :10:31. | :10:33. | |
people can take the option not to take part, but may have a real | :10:34. | :10:37. | |
impact in getting to the truth of what has happened. In terms of | :10:38. | :10:42. | |
getting to those answers it is appropriate that there is some form | :10:43. | :10:46. | |
of limit in time, and we can all think of examples public enquiries | :10:47. | :10:49. | |
that have taken very long periods of time, at that seems to drag out for | :10:50. | :10:53. | |
ever and it has been touched on already, people had to wait decades | :10:54. | :10:57. | |
for this to happen. There is a limit to how much longer than many of | :10:58. | :11:00. | |
those victims will actually be able to wait before the final answer as | :11:01. | :11:03. | |
to what happens to them and also in many cases for children of families | :11:04. | :11:07. | |
of those who have already passed on who wants to find out what happened | :11:08. | :11:12. | |
before they pass on themselves. Very briefly giving way. I'm grateful for | :11:13. | :11:23. | |
him. The member will be aware that the premise the recently announced | :11:24. | :11:27. | |
wisely that the government was going to introduce an independent public | :11:28. | :11:32. | |
advocate for public disasters. Wouldn't it be wholly appropriate | :11:33. | :11:41. | |
for the brave families -- braved families in this difficult case, | :11:42. | :11:44. | |
right across the country and the UK to have this independent public | :11:45. | :11:47. | |
advocate appointed in time to represent them. I thank her for her | :11:48. | :11:53. | |
intervention, making a powerful point and I'm sure the ministers | :11:54. | :11:57. | |
that on the bench will have heard it and others wishing to consider those | :11:58. | :12:00. | |
boys as part of the conservation will be forthcoming around how the | :12:01. | :12:04. | |
enquiry is structured and how victims are represented. I can | :12:05. | :12:08. | |
imagine, given what their experience has been over the last year they may | :12:09. | :12:11. | |
have strong views about whether it is a statement or appointed | :12:12. | :12:15. | |
personally or how old they are represented is important to be | :12:16. | :12:20. | |
consulted with them. Perhaps not on the floor of this house but all | :12:21. | :12:24. | |
representation will be considered carefully to ensure they can be | :12:25. | :12:27. | |
appropriately represented. Certainly, my own constituency there | :12:28. | :12:30. | |
has been the ladies constantly raising the matter with me. | :12:31. | :12:38. | |
They have been determined to pursue this matter and to find the answers | :12:39. | :12:49. | |
and justice. Berger has been in touch to ask about when the | :12:50. | :12:54. | |
compensation payments would be made. We are looking about how we can | :12:55. | :12:57. | |
bring all the issues, as well as finding the answers about what | :12:58. | :13:03. | |
happened all these years ago. I welcome this payment congratulate | :13:04. | :13:11. | |
the member for Kingston-Upon-Hull for her parachute of this and | :13:12. | :13:15. | |
security team -- securing the debate. I hope we can finally get | :13:16. | :13:20. | |
the answer is that those who have suffered for too long deserved and | :13:21. | :13:35. | |
deserve. Congratulations, Madam Deputy Speaker. I think the member | :13:36. | :13:42. | |
for Oxford East for her maiden speech and her powerful | :13:43. | :13:48. | |
representation of the people within her constituency. It would be | :13:49. | :14:00. | |
appropriate that I also mention my friend for Kingston-Upon-Hull. There | :14:01. | :14:07. | |
are over 111 members of the all-party group who have supported | :14:08. | :14:14. | |
her to get to the bottom of the real effects of the causes of this | :14:15. | :14:18. | |
scandal and recompense those who have suffered as a result. In the | :14:19. | :14:25. | |
short time I have got a bit like to comment on these issues. There are | :14:26. | :14:30. | |
two clear ones. One is the history of why this happened and what could | :14:31. | :14:36. | |
be done to prevent it and who is liable and responsible. There is | :14:37. | :14:45. | |
also what the state does to those who have no gleam in this matter | :14:46. | :14:49. | |
what support is given to those people who are now facing so many | :14:50. | :14:55. | |
challenges a result of this scandal. I do not expect to minister to be | :14:56. | :14:59. | |
able to answer those questions today because it is clear that the effort | :15:00. | :15:05. | |
of my honourable friend and other honourable members and it has been | :15:06. | :15:11. | |
said by six Party leaders has focused the government mind on how | :15:12. | :15:16. | |
to respond to this issue. It is important that we do challenge the | :15:17. | :15:22. | |
form of the enquiry. The Welsh government in Cardiff called for a | :15:23. | :15:29. | |
public enquiry in January. I am surely would be interested in having | :15:30. | :15:35. | |
the support of the house for the response. I raise the issue because | :15:36. | :15:40. | |
like all honourable members who have talked today, I have constituents | :15:41. | :15:45. | |
who have had the impact of the contaminated blood scandal | :15:46. | :15:48. | |
throughout their lives for the past 30 years. The wish to remain | :15:49. | :15:53. | |
anonymous, but in meeting them, I can see the impact on their lives. | :15:54. | :16:02. | |
Not just the trauma of seeing people infected at the same team who have | :16:03. | :16:06. | |
died in large numbers, but also the fact that people cannot get | :16:07. | :16:11. | |
insurance, cannot maintain stable employment and the problems of the | :16:12. | :16:17. | |
actual live and how long we're going to love. Practicalities, of | :16:18. | :16:26. | |
constituents with young children. The gentleman is making a powerful | :16:27. | :16:32. | |
case. There are a lot of people who have not been catered for Judy, who | :16:33. | :16:37. | |
were badly affected, such as my constituents who have died. The | :16:38. | :16:46. | |
children ended up any children's home and had the lives devastated. | :16:47. | :16:51. | |
The problems have not been addressed. My constituents are still | :16:52. | :16:55. | |
alive and are concerned about what will happen to the in the event of | :16:56. | :17:00. | |
the day. They are worried about the lack of insurance and the cost to | :17:01. | :17:08. | |
the lives as a whole. The wreckers that they had have been lost by the | :17:09. | :17:16. | |
state. There are difficulties that they may not be able to hold the | :17:17. | :17:19. | |
government liable for because these records have disappeared. That is | :17:20. | :17:25. | |
one of the problems facing the enquiry. With regard to talk that | :17:26. | :17:33. | |
this was the United Kingdom wakened enquiry. This happened before devil | :17:34. | :17:40. | |
you should. I have constituents in Wales who were affected in | :17:41. | :17:44. | |
Liverpool. I have constituents living in Wales who were affected in | :17:45. | :17:50. | |
Wales. It is important that we look at that as a whole. I would be | :17:51. | :17:55. | |
interested in the minister's ultimate discussion on the terms of | :17:56. | :18:01. | |
reference as to how he will involve devolved administrations. He has | :18:02. | :18:05. | |
given some indication to date, but also what the terms of reference | :18:06. | :18:09. | |
will be of how the consultation will take place. I know that my | :18:10. | :18:15. | |
constituents will want to be reassured who is responsible, what | :18:16. | :18:18. | |
happened, what can be done and whether there is any compensation to | :18:19. | :18:24. | |
help them meet their very real challenges such as those mentioned | :18:25. | :18:28. | |
by the honourable member in his speech. Even we have the | :18:29. | :18:32. | |
Hillsborough style enquiry, it is important that the Minister in due | :18:33. | :18:40. | |
course, sets out clearly not just the terms of reference but also the | :18:41. | :18:45. | |
terms of engagement. I was going to make the point myself that, to be | :18:46. | :18:55. | |
frank, the people I represent are trying to get on with their lives. | :18:56. | :18:59. | |
They have had something happened to them when they were very young which | :19:00. | :19:03. | |
they have had no control over. They want to try and get on with their | :19:04. | :19:08. | |
lives. I would think it would be very helpful if the government set | :19:09. | :19:14. | |
out how we could live victims could engage with the enquiry. Not just in | :19:15. | :19:21. | |
terms of the organisations, such as the haemophiliacs society, but | :19:22. | :19:24. | |
people who may not be involved in any organisation. But whether people | :19:25. | :19:33. | |
could be supported financially of that is required for representation. | :19:34. | :19:39. | |
And be able to put the case effectively to the enquiry. I am | :19:40. | :19:49. | |
pleased to speak on this occasion. Very briefly picking up on that | :19:50. | :19:57. | |
point. A constituent of mine called Michael wants justice but also wants | :19:58. | :20:04. | |
justice involving all the families engaged in shaping this Hillsborough | :20:05. | :20:08. | |
still style enquiry. We welcome the enquiry. They are impatient for | :20:09. | :20:20. | |
justice. I am grateful for the intervention. The point I was | :20:21. | :20:27. | |
finishing on, unless the Minister wishes to intervene. Just briefly, I | :20:28. | :20:34. | |
would like to remind the Honourable gentleman that after making very | :20:35. | :20:38. | |
important point, it is our intention to contact all of the families who | :20:39. | :20:45. | |
are in touch through the various schemes to register today's | :20:46. | :20:49. | |
announcement so the will have an opportunity to determine the best | :20:50. | :20:53. | |
form of enquiry. On his second point, once the enquiry is | :20:54. | :20:58. | |
established, it will be going to the enquiry itself as to how it engages | :20:59. | :21:03. | |
with the people and it will obviously be interested in advice | :21:04. | :21:09. | |
given by members of the house. Thank you. That helps reassure me on | :21:10. | :21:17. | |
behalf of my constituents. I simply see to the Minister, in making the | :21:18. | :21:22. | |
announcement today, the key thing for the future is confidence and | :21:23. | :21:26. | |
transparency and to ensure that people can feel they can have the | :21:27. | :21:30. | |
opinion here, the points they wish to boot I put properly and | :21:31. | :21:36. | |
effectively and it is essential to have some sort of timescale so that | :21:37. | :21:41. | |
they know how long of their lives this is going to take. And he | :21:42. | :21:46. | |
informed the host of any budget set up for the enquiry, the things we | :21:47. | :21:53. | |
would expect of any enquiry to take place, because that will help | :21:54. | :21:56. | |
reassure people that the government is responding not just two events | :21:57. | :22:04. | |
but also getting a positive outcome for the innocent victims of the | :22:05. | :22:09. | |
national scandal. I think the -- I hope the Minister can keep the house | :22:10. | :22:15. | |
informed but also keep the victims informed, because at the end of the | :22:16. | :22:18. | |
day, it is the lives in future and the uncertainties they have deserved | :22:19. | :22:31. | |
passionate support. I do not want to impose a formal time-limit, but I | :22:32. | :22:35. | |
would ask members to try and keep to four minutes and in that way I will | :22:36. | :22:39. | |
not have to impose any claim restrictions. I join other members | :22:40. | :22:48. | |
in paying tribute to all those affected by this terrible tragedy, | :22:49. | :22:53. | |
the families, the victims and friends and other people within the | :22:54. | :22:56. | |
salaries, especially the Honourable member for Kingston-Upon-Hull and | :22:57. | :23:06. | |
Stratford-upon-Avon. And also the Honourable new member for Oxford | :23:07. | :23:13. | |
East. I am speaking today to give a voice to my constituent who wishes | :23:14. | :23:19. | |
to remain anonymous. He was born with haemophilia. He had to endure | :23:20. | :23:25. | |
this terrible chronic condition and for the condition has in fact | :23:26. | :23:31. | |
poisoned pen. He has been infected with both HIV and hepatitis C. They | :23:32. | :23:42. | |
have given him a life of pain, of serious medication which has their | :23:43. | :23:47. | |
own major side-effects, major surgery. And the constant weight | :23:48. | :23:55. | |
that must be on his mind on those who love him every day of his life, | :23:56. | :24:02. | |
because this tragedy has affected every day of his life and affected | :24:03. | :24:09. | |
his life in every single aspect, from his marriage to his ability to | :24:10. | :24:14. | |
work, to his family. He told me recently that he and his wife have | :24:15. | :24:23. | |
told the grown-up child of his condition and of his infections | :24:24. | :24:27. | |
because as he said to me, when is the right time to deal your child | :24:28. | :24:35. | |
that you have HIV and hepatitis C? My constituent welcomes today's | :24:36. | :24:41. | |
remark on an enquiry. He wants a Hillsborough style enquiry because | :24:42. | :24:45. | |
he says people affected by this do not have time on the side. I must | :24:46. | :24:54. | |
declare an interest because as a barrister, I hope this public | :24:55. | :24:58. | |
enquiry will ensure that public money is directed towards those who | :24:59. | :25:03. | |
need it most, namely the victims and their families, not one massively | :25:04. | :25:13. | |
expensive tribunal 's costs. I put that out to other colleagues of mine | :25:14. | :25:19. | |
in the profession. Finally, I am conscious of the wish of other | :25:20. | :25:24. | |
colleagues to speak. I would like to talk about these school photograph | :25:25. | :25:30. | |
my constituent brought into the surgery. It was a typical school | :25:31. | :25:37. | |
photograph. This one was different. It showed my constituent and his | :25:38. | :25:44. | |
class at a special school he had to go to because of his condition. Eat | :25:45. | :25:51. | |
of the pupils had haemophilia. Four of them are no dead as a result of | :25:52. | :25:56. | |
contaminated blood infections. Another one is so ill that in his | :25:57. | :26:05. | |
early 50s, he is forced to live in a specialist home because of the | :26:06. | :26:11. | |
condition of his body. My constituent, like thousands of | :26:12. | :26:14. | |
others we have heard of, other victims of the terrible episode. | :26:15. | :26:21. | |
They have fought for justice for 30 years and I would like to thank this | :26:22. | :26:26. | |
Prime Minister and this government for listening and for acting. I very | :26:27. | :26:35. | |
much hope this enquiry delivers for them. It is the first time I ever | :26:36. | :26:44. | |
had the pleasure of speaking to the house when you have been the chamber | :26:45. | :26:48. | |
and I will commute your position. I think the Honourable member for | :26:49. | :26:53. | |
being able to secure this really important debate. It was a pleasure | :26:54. | :27:00. | |
to be in the chamber when we hear the maiden speech by the Oxford East | :27:01. | :27:07. | |
member. I congratulate her. I will not take up too much time in this | :27:08. | :27:11. | |
house in this debate, but what I wanted to do was to draw the | :27:12. | :27:15. | |
attention of the house to a constituent of mine. It is a case I | :27:16. | :27:24. | |
have raised here before. I have spoken on this issue on a number of | :27:25. | :27:30. | |
different occasions. My constituent is someone who has been | :27:31. | :27:33. | |
communicating with me for more than two years. She was, as one of my | :27:34. | :27:40. | |
other colleagues were seeing, one of the first people to come to me after | :27:41. | :27:44. | |
my election in 2015 to raise this issue. It was one of the first cases | :27:45. | :27:52. | |
I took to Parliament. As other parliaments -- colleagues have said, | :27:53. | :27:55. | |
I have to admit to shame, because I was not aware of the background to | :27:56. | :27:59. | |
the story until I hear the testimony. | :28:00. | :28:04. | |
I'm going to read part of an e-mail from Sue yesterday when it was clear | :28:05. | :28:11. | |
the emergency debate was going to happen, I have been in constant | :28:12. | :28:14. | |
touch with her. She asked me briefly to share with the house her story | :28:15. | :28:18. | |
because it says in more powerful words I think that anyone else could | :28:19. | :28:24. | |
I it is so important that we have this full, public enquiry. At the | :28:25. | :28:27. | |
time, of course, we were not aware of the government announcement which | :28:28. | :28:32. | |
I warmly welcome, and pay tribute to not only my honourable friend the | :28:33. | :28:36. | |
Minister for health but also the Prime Minister for driving this | :28:37. | :28:40. | |
forward. Let me share with you what Sue broke to me in this e-mail | :28:41. | :28:46. | |
yesterday. My husband Bob died in 1991, aged 47. Spite being a severe | :28:47. | :28:52. | |
haemophiliac he had lived a relatively normal life until he was | :28:53. | :28:56. | |
given commercial blood products. Following that his health and his | :28:57. | :29:02. | |
life followed a deep and dark spiral downhill. He contracted hepatitis B | :29:03. | :29:08. | |
can see, and HIV. He died a terrible death which I believe was totally | :29:09. | :29:12. | |
avoidable. He was never informed about the risks known at the time of | :29:13. | :29:17. | |
imported factor eight. He was never told he had hepatitis C, and indeed | :29:18. | :29:21. | |
I only found out myself a few years ago. His HIV test result was | :29:22. | :29:27. | |
withheld from us for many months thus leaving me at risk. I was | :29:28. | :29:33. | |
fortunate that many other women were not. -- but many women were not. A | :29:34. | :29:38. | |
few days before he died, a few months later, shattering on his | :29:39. | :29:43. | |
lungs, contracting pneumonia he was left untreated. He never had the | :29:44. | :29:49. | |
chance to see his eldest son marry nor meet his grandchildren. He | :29:50. | :29:54. | |
didn't see his little son graduate from university. He didn't see his | :29:55. | :29:58. | |
youngest son passed the 11 plus and go to grammar school. Following his | :29:59. | :30:03. | |
death, our family basically fell apart. Grief sent us in different | :30:04. | :30:08. | |
directions, and for many years we were completely broken. The fallout | :30:09. | :30:13. | |
is still there today bubbling away just below the surface. It is my | :30:14. | :30:21. | |
firm opinion, soothe freckle writes, in conclusion, following campaigning | :30:22. | :30:28. | |
and research, human beings were acting as guinea pigs. Had people | :30:29. | :30:31. | |
acted differently at the time Bob and so many others would almost | :30:32. | :30:37. | |
certainly being alive and well today. Now, I've found my | :30:38. | :30:43. | |
constituent's e-mail extremely moving and I repeat her words to the | :30:44. | :30:47. | |
house today because I think it says is better than any other rest of us | :30:48. | :30:50. | |
could why the decision that has been taken by the government to hold this | :30:51. | :30:56. | |
public enquiry is so welcome. I will be following very carefully this | :30:57. | :31:00. | |
process as it goes through to ensure that the form of the enquiry is the | :31:01. | :31:05. | |
best that it can be, so that fixed in and survivors like my constituent | :31:06. | :31:10. | |
can get the truth and fairness and justice they deserve. Thank you. I | :31:11. | :31:19. | |
would first like to start by echoing what has been said by so many in | :31:20. | :31:22. | |
paying tribute to the victims of this tragedy, their families and | :31:23. | :31:25. | |
those many honourable members who have campaigned tirelessly for such | :31:26. | :31:29. | |
a long time to ensure this public enquiry takes place and also to my | :31:30. | :31:33. | |
Prime Minister who after so many people have not have listened to | :31:34. | :31:38. | |
these concerns and has organised this formal public enquiry. As a | :31:39. | :31:44. | |
doctor I prescribe blood products that continued every day for people | :31:45. | :31:48. | |
not often in a position to make decisions. I have prescribe babies | :31:49. | :31:59. | |
blood, born prematurely, and those with cancer, not being able to make | :32:00. | :32:05. | |
their own cases. This is an issue of trust. It is important that when | :32:06. | :32:10. | |
people go into hospital and receive treatment that they are able to | :32:11. | :32:14. | |
trust that the risk and benefit and decision that is being made with | :32:15. | :32:20. | |
them, whether they are small or very unwell, on their behalf, is done | :32:21. | :32:23. | |
with facts and information available. In this case that appears | :32:24. | :32:28. | |
not to have been the case. People knew that HIV, hepatitis were | :32:29. | :32:33. | |
transmittable through blood products. And yet, despite that, | :32:34. | :32:38. | |
that information was not being made aware to those people receiving | :32:39. | :32:45. | |
them. And that the blood had not been properly screened and even at | :32:46. | :32:48. | |
the time as I understand it when blood was being screened elsewhere | :32:49. | :32:52. | |
objects were being used on people in the UK. I want to thank her for | :32:53. | :32:59. | |
giving way because trust the key word there, trust and faith to have | :33:00. | :33:05. | |
that in the enquiry and my constituent, every story is | :33:06. | :33:09. | |
different, is a twin, is other twin isn't here, and on the hop off and | :33:10. | :33:12. | |
he wants to have trust in the enquiry, once victims to be heard, | :33:13. | :33:17. | |
and then deciding the remit and also issuing the evidence taken from | :33:18. | :33:20. | |
them. She agreed that that is the way to get trust? I thank her for | :33:21. | :33:29. | |
that intervention. Absolutely I do. The victims and their families have | :33:30. | :33:33. | |
the right, they deserve to know what happened. They deserve answers to | :33:34. | :33:39. | |
the questions that they have they need to know when people knew that | :33:40. | :33:43. | |
these by-products could be causing them harm, and if they did know why | :33:44. | :33:47. | |
were they still given? The house should be under no allusion, as I'm | :33:48. | :33:54. | |
sure off the many cases described by the members that they and the | :33:55. | :33:57. | |
suffering that these people have gone through, losing their family | :33:58. | :34:00. | |
members, the stigma still exists today of many of these medical | :34:01. | :34:04. | |
condition that are particularly HIV, the risks that other people have | :34:05. | :34:07. | |
been put to such as their wives, children. And the suffering that | :34:08. | :34:13. | |
many still go through today with their poor health. I very much | :34:14. | :34:20. | |
welcome the public enquiry and I hope it will get to the bottom of | :34:21. | :34:24. | |
all the answers and I hope that those who have been victims have | :34:25. | :34:29. | |
received the conversation they deserve. May I also join in | :34:30. | :34:38. | |
welcoming you to your new role and I am absolutely delighted. I would | :34:39. | :34:42. | |
like to congratulate the honourable member on her brilliant maiden | :34:43. | :34:47. | |
speech. And finally paid tribute to the honourable member for Kingston | :34:48. | :34:51. | |
and hole for being such a doughty champion of the issue in Parliament. | :34:52. | :34:57. | |
The debate today has been conducted in a way recognised as being hugely | :34:58. | :35:02. | |
positive, very constructive and that is what people would expect my | :35:03. | :35:05. | |
people out there in the country expect us to carry out the debate in | :35:06. | :35:08. | |
a responsible manner because this very much affects people's lives. I | :35:09. | :35:13. | |
am acutely aware of that because of one of my constituents who has been | :35:14. | :35:16. | |
caught up in this tragedy, a lady called Sue Watson, a local teacher, | :35:17. | :35:21. | |
her husband a counsellor, they are friends and people I care very much | :35:22. | :35:26. | |
about. I was shocked, rather like a number of the colleagues were when | :35:27. | :35:29. | |
shortly after I was elected Sue and Peter asked me to go round to their | :35:30. | :35:33. | |
house and they told me all about the things that they had gone through, | :35:34. | :35:36. | |
and the difficulty that Sue was facing in trying to access the | :35:37. | :35:43. | |
treatment that she so desperately needed, and so I know that Sue will | :35:44. | :35:46. | |
be sat at home watching this debate this afternoon, welcoming this | :35:47. | :35:52. | |
announcement, to no end. Because things have gone so disastrously | :35:53. | :35:56. | |
wrong in the past, we need to get to the bottom of that. I think what was | :35:57. | :36:00. | |
a particular shock to Sue is that after 30 years she was diagnosed as | :36:01. | :36:05. | |
having this condition. It was a bombshell, sat marking books in her | :36:06. | :36:08. | |
office at school when the telephone call came to tell her that she had | :36:09. | :36:15. | |
got this condition. And I think what is most welcome about the | :36:16. | :36:18. | |
announcement today is the fact that there is this firm commitment to | :36:19. | :36:21. | |
ensure that the victims of this tragedy are properly listens to, | :36:22. | :36:26. | |
that they have a real involvement in shaping the enquiry and there are | :36:27. | :36:31. | |
lessons that can be learnt from what has happened in relation to | :36:32. | :36:34. | |
Hillsborough, it doesn't surprise me in the site is that the Prime | :36:35. | :36:37. | |
Minister is so committed to addressing this issue, we have seen | :36:38. | :36:40. | |
her take up a number of injustices and Hillsborough is one of those | :36:41. | :36:46. | |
examples. We can get the bottom of what has happened in this particular | :36:47. | :36:51. | |
tragedy, and the victims how they are affected on a day-to-day basis, | :36:52. | :36:55. | |
the consequences on their family, and they should be listens to and | :36:56. | :36:58. | |
should help to shape the enquiry. One key point I suspect we'll come | :36:59. | :37:02. | |
up in all of these discussions in the weeks and months ahead is this | :37:03. | :37:07. | |
issue of access to treatment, and fortunately for time to time NHS | :37:08. | :37:12. | |
bureaucracy does get in the way. -- unfortunately Brock as he gets in | :37:13. | :37:18. | |
the way. For Sue, it was a multitude of drama in getting the treatment | :37:19. | :37:24. | |
that she so desperately needed. I am grateful to ministers in particular | :37:25. | :37:27. | |
for all of their efforts in helping to go about achieving that. One | :37:28. | :37:33. | |
thing that I was remember Sue saying to me, when we first had that early | :37:34. | :37:36. | |
conversation was she said I'm not worried about compensation, I just | :37:37. | :37:41. | |
want to get better, and I think that there is a lot of all of that. These | :37:42. | :37:45. | |
are all issues the public enquiry needs to address. I welcome this | :37:46. | :37:50. | |
very much and look forward to the debates. Thank you Madam Deputy | :37:51. | :37:56. | |
Speaker. Like others I welcome you to your position in the chamber | :37:57. | :38:01. | |
today but would also like to put on record my thanks to the honourable | :38:02. | :38:06. | |
lady for Kingston upon Hull North for bringing the debate forward | :38:07. | :38:10. | |
today, and in the short time I have been a member of the space I have | :38:11. | :38:17. | |
been struck by her determination and perseverance in bringing forward the | :38:18. | :38:19. | |
campaign. An issue that quite clearly Madam Deputy Speaker cuts | :38:20. | :38:22. | |
right across both sides of this chamber. I would just like to add my | :38:23. | :38:28. | |
thanks also and recognition to all of those members who are not in the | :38:29. | :38:32. | |
chamber to date, those who perhaps have moved on following the election | :38:33. | :38:36. | |
who have also played a part in this campaign, and of course David | :38:37. | :38:40. | |
Cameron who at his last prime ministers questioned said they | :38:41. | :38:43. | |
wanted more to be done on this very important this you. This is an | :38:44. | :38:48. | |
important matter that too many of the people here and outside, we have | :38:49. | :38:53. | |
heard today, many constituents have been affected, and are still | :38:54. | :38:57. | |
affected today. It is an issue that was brought to my attention first | :38:58. | :39:00. | |
about a year ago when constituent came to Mike and surgery. -- my | :39:01. | :39:08. | |
surgery. We have heard about the victims and those suffering as a | :39:09. | :39:11. | |
result of the contaminated blood but this lady came to raise the issue of | :39:12. | :39:16. | |
support for the spouses of those who have died from contaminated blood. | :39:17. | :39:24. | |
She had a number of questions, concerns, particularly around | :39:25. | :39:26. | |
discretionary payments. She particularly wanted to know exactly | :39:27. | :39:29. | |
what their position would be, and felt as though she was in limbo. | :39:30. | :39:34. | |
Regarding monthly payments. Adam Deputy Speaker this is a tragedy and | :39:35. | :39:40. | |
it means so much to so many as we have heard. People who through no | :39:41. | :39:45. | |
fault of their own suddenly have found themselves in hardship and | :39:46. | :39:50. | |
really suffering as a result of what has happened. As we know this | :39:51. | :39:58. | |
tragedy goes back to the 1970s, 1980s, an issue that spans several | :39:59. | :40:02. | |
governments, a long-running issue but for those families, the family | :40:03. | :40:06. | |
in my constituency and those across the country, the other members here | :40:07. | :40:11. | |
have raised today, it is still a priority for them and rightly so. I | :40:12. | :40:15. | |
sense today that what we have heard from the Minister and from the Prime | :40:16. | :40:20. | |
Minister in her statement that it is still a priority for the government | :40:21. | :40:24. | |
as well. We should continue to providing support for those affected | :40:25. | :40:30. | |
by this tragedy. I am very conscious of time, Madam Deputy Speaker so I | :40:31. | :40:34. | |
will draw my comments to a close just by saying that I hope the | :40:35. | :40:40. | |
enquiry does bring together all parties and to the benefit of | :40:41. | :40:44. | |
families and victims, because there are still families wanting answers | :40:45. | :40:48. | |
in a sense of inclusion and closure to this tragic issue. Thank you very | :40:49. | :40:53. | |
much indeed Madam Deputy Speaker and I would like to welcome you to your | :40:54. | :40:56. | |
place. I have a confession or apology I should make will stop when | :40:57. | :41:01. | |
I was first briefed on this issue, I put it in the too difficult to deal | :41:02. | :41:08. | |
with category. Maybe it was too niche, it was too much of the past, | :41:09. | :41:15. | |
it lacked contemporary feel to it. I was wrong, and the honourable lady | :41:16. | :41:22. | |
for whole north has proved the point today, she is to be congratulated. I | :41:23. | :41:26. | |
had been reflecting, listening to this debate. So many of our | :41:27. | :41:30. | |
constituents view this place through that very narrow prism of 30 minutes | :41:31. | :41:37. | |
or so on a Wednesday. It shows parliament at its best stop | :41:38. | :41:44. | |
cross-party, an interest in an issue coming together to try to find a | :41:45. | :41:50. | |
solution. -- this is Parliament at its best. I welcome the words of the | :41:51. | :41:56. | |
honourable lady for this issue, and the premise that as a number have | :41:57. | :42:02. | |
pointed out, lots of ministers have just as lots of ministers listened | :42:03. | :42:07. | |
to the tragedy of Hillsborough. My right honourable friend seemed to | :42:08. | :42:13. | |
have something of her essence where she doesn't just listen but she | :42:14. | :42:22. | |
decides to act in a fair, calm, sensible way, but always in the | :42:23. | :42:26. | |
pursuit of justice for our constituents, and our fellow | :42:27. | :42:27. | |
citizens. This speaks of a tame purse, for | :42:28. | :42:45. | |
different procedures and techniques. It also predates the devolution | :42:46. | :42:53. | |
settlement, which might give challenges to the enquiry going | :42:54. | :42:57. | |
forward. But it is contemporary in terms of pain, suffering and anxiety | :42:58. | :43:02. | |
that so many colleagues across the house of preference. I strongly | :43:03. | :43:08. | |
welcome the decision to move towards a single payment scheme, to have | :43:09. | :43:15. | |
five schemes and which to apply and to justify the needs, as my | :43:16. | :43:23. | |
honourable friend for Stratford alluded to, adds an intolerable | :43:24. | :43:33. | |
intolerable aspect of justice. Yes, the travesty of the ill-health | :43:34. | :43:40. | |
placed upon sufferers from contaminated blood is not going to | :43:41. | :43:50. | |
see greater financial costs, but also their lifestyle costs. I must | :43:51. | :44:00. | |
confess, I am sanguine on a personal level whether this is the panel or a | :44:01. | :44:08. | |
judge led enquiry. It has to be done in contact with those who have | :44:09. | :44:17. | |
survived, to work out the best way. Time is not on the side of this and | :44:18. | :44:24. | |
we must move forward quickly. This is a campaign which is festered for | :44:25. | :44:29. | |
too long. I conclude by once again congratulating the member for | :44:30. | :44:37. | |
Kingston-Upon-Hull and I hope those suffering today are in some way | :44:38. | :44:41. | |
sustained and comforted in the hope of justice at the end of that | :44:42. | :44:49. | |
trouble. I would like to thank the government for this announcement. I | :44:50. | :44:53. | |
pay tribute to the Honourable members who have done much work over | :44:54. | :44:58. | |
the years. Especially, the Honourable member for | :44:59. | :45:05. | |
Kingston-Upon-Hull and the member for Stratford-upon-Avon who campaign | :45:06. | :45:10. | |
for this when it was not fashionable. I have a sense of | :45:11. | :45:14. | |
relief that the truth around the scandal will come out and I suspect | :45:15. | :45:21. | |
some of it will make very difficult listening. I did not know whether to | :45:22. | :45:26. | |
speak, but I did so after listening to some of the very moving | :45:27. | :45:33. | |
experiences from members of my constituency. They have asked to be | :45:34. | :45:38. | |
here today to listen to the debate. I have residents who have lived with | :45:39. | :45:46. | |
this for some decades, including several who had illnesses connected | :45:47. | :45:53. | |
to contaminated blood as young as nine years old. One of my | :45:54. | :45:59. | |
constituents worry is not only about herself but other members of her | :46:00. | :46:04. | |
family, but she said her life had been turned upside down by the | :46:05. | :46:08. | |
contaminated blood case. She said my infection has caused me to suffer | :46:09. | :46:14. | |
from a disabling and debilitating disease. You may be amazed to know | :46:15. | :46:23. | |
that I was refused funding and anti-viral treatment by hepatitis C | :46:24. | :46:30. | |
by NHS England and was obliged to buy it myself. Not only our resident | :46:31. | :46:36. | |
suffering, but they feel the NHS, which write them down in the first | :46:37. | :46:39. | |
place along with others, is not providing the support know which | :46:40. | :46:44. | |
they should do. This concerns me. In light of the investigation and | :46:45. | :46:54. | |
interested Party is important in making progress in our society. All | :46:55. | :46:59. | |
these enquiries can be difficult. We have seen that in Hillsborough | :47:00. | :47:03. | |
because that asks questions of those in authority. As one of my | :47:04. | :47:11. | |
colleagues said, it also questions trust in the system and that people | :47:12. | :47:17. | |
here are here to do the right thing to battle for the constituents. | :47:18. | :47:23. | |
Summing up, all of us would want to know a series of questions. Some | :47:24. | :47:28. | |
have been asked. There are two of the outstanding ones. If the | :47:29. | :47:33. | |
Minister could at some point explained the difference between a | :47:34. | :47:40. | |
statutory and Hillsborough type enquiry especially for constituents | :47:41. | :47:45. | |
interest in participating, through the windows and families of those | :47:46. | :47:51. | |
who have already died, 2400 of them, will be treated and how will the | :47:52. | :47:56. | |
claims and financial claims be treated? Finally, the reassuring is | :47:57. | :48:06. | |
of the potential criminal aspects have to be investigated to the | :48:07. | :48:10. | |
ultimate conclusion, but can we be reassured that this will be as | :48:11. | :48:14. | |
comprehensive as possible and will be time limited? I will commute to | :48:15. | :48:22. | |
your post, Madam Deputy Speaker. I thank the Honourable member for | :48:23. | :48:28. | |
Kingston-Upon-Hull for calling this debate and for her campaigning on | :48:29. | :48:34. | |
this. I also congratulate the member for Oxford East at Forfar excellent | :48:35. | :48:44. | |
maiden speech, the first of many contributions I am sure she will | :48:45. | :48:48. | |
make. I congratulate the members who have been tireless advocates for the | :48:49. | :48:55. | |
victims of this scandal and I speak on behalf of my constituent, Jackie | :48:56. | :49:03. | |
Britton, who lives in Port Chester. We have met on several occasions. | :49:04. | :49:10. | |
She has not given up on this fight. She contracted hepatitis C in 1982 | :49:11. | :49:16. | |
from a blood transfusion during childbirth. She was only diagnosed | :49:17. | :49:22. | |
six years ago and for many years she has been inflicted with a | :49:23. | :49:26. | |
debilitating illness and has been suffering for many years. Her | :49:27. | :49:32. | |
daughter has also been very ill with previous medical conditions. I am | :49:33. | :49:37. | |
sure she would welcome the news today about a public enquiry into | :49:38. | :49:44. | |
this matter. It is clear that the government is seriously reflecting | :49:45. | :49:49. | |
the concerns and the voices of those who have been tragically affected by | :49:50. | :49:56. | |
this. This is the latest in action which has been taken on the part of | :49:57. | :50:02. | |
this government over several years. The government has increased the | :50:03. | :50:07. | |
amount of money spent on payments to victims to regularly levels since | :50:08. | :50:15. | |
2016, with an additional ?125 million in support funding for those | :50:16. | :50:19. | |
who need it. I am also pleased to come in and the last year has | :50:20. | :50:25. | |
announced they were going to reform the package of support schemes for | :50:26. | :50:34. | |
those affected. For the first time, almost 2500 beneficiaries, with | :50:35. | :50:38. | |
chronic hepatitis C, we are eligible for an annual payment of ?3500 per | :50:39. | :50:44. | |
year. That is progress and that is the result of listening and action | :50:45. | :50:51. | |
on the part of the government. I will conclude my comments because I | :50:52. | :50:56. | |
am a weir that others want to contribute. There is really nothing | :50:57. | :51:00. | |
that anyone can do to change the past on this awful, awful incident | :51:01. | :51:08. | |
and tragedy. But I do hope for the sake of Jackie and all those victims | :51:09. | :51:14. | |
about whom we have heard today. That being quietly today and the process | :51:15. | :51:22. | |
of discovering the truth of bringing to justice -- bringing some justice | :51:23. | :51:29. | |
to those affected will bring some finality to this heartbreaking | :51:30. | :51:33. | |
tragedy. Thank you for squeezing me in. For the many reasons explained | :51:34. | :51:40. | |
in the many excellent speeches by members on both sides, I have been | :51:41. | :51:44. | |
very impressed and pleased that the government have thought this through | :51:45. | :51:49. | |
a fish, which is significant, given the previous enquiries. And the | :51:50. | :51:53. | |
apology given by the Minister to date was an important step in | :51:54. | :51:58. | |
appreciating -- it will be appreciated by the victims. The | :51:59. | :52:04. | |
minister needs to consult on the form of the enquiry. He makes the | :52:05. | :52:08. | |
rate decision to engage with the affected groups and I hope that | :52:09. | :52:14. | |
there is an urgency forced into this process to move it forward so that | :52:15. | :52:25. | |
we can help the victims. I think the enquiry should look at how we | :52:26. | :52:27. | |
acquire these products in the first place, who is responsible for the | :52:28. | :52:34. | |
period anyone in the United Kingdom became infected. This is a tragic | :52:35. | :52:43. | |
story from time to finish. I congratulate those involved in the | :52:44. | :52:47. | |
wider campaign to seek the truth. I congratulate the member for | :52:48. | :52:54. | |
Kingston-Upon-Hull for calling this debate. There are variations in the | :52:55. | :52:59. | |
interpretation of the facts and the history of the scandal. In the | :53:00. | :53:03. | |
instance of one of my constituents, she felt elements of his infected | :53:04. | :53:12. | |
file is medical notes had been removed from his medical records. As | :53:13. | :53:23. | |
was noted in the 1991 HIV litigation, it has been removed. | :53:24. | :53:27. | |
Attempts to retrieve this letter have field. His father was given a | :53:28. | :53:38. | |
bad batch of Factor eight, but his father was not told until 1985, | :53:39. | :53:43. | |
nearly two years later. Looking at this, I do not know the answer to | :53:44. | :53:47. | |
these questions and I do not believe my constituent knows these, but it | :53:48. | :53:52. | |
seems to me from discussions with them and from limited documentation | :53:53. | :53:55. | |
I have seen that there are serious and horrific mistakes made which led | :53:56. | :54:02. | |
to unimaginable consequences and it is very important we get to the | :54:03. | :54:06. | |
truth of what happened. Efforts to deal with this issue today and there | :54:07. | :54:11. | |
have been a number we need to recognise, have not satisfied the | :54:12. | :54:15. | |
people concerned. The point is, many of the people affected by the | :54:16. | :54:19. | |
tragedy, especially children and other family members, in any event, | :54:20. | :54:26. | |
the do not feel they were ever be closure that they have included -- | :54:27. | :54:32. | |
until the included in the process. I hope the government will have the | :54:33. | :54:38. | |
proper information, but the fact remains that is a clear disconnect | :54:39. | :54:42. | |
between the meet various parties involved. As ever, it is not just | :54:43. | :54:47. | |
what happens between the various parties or you can see fault, but | :54:48. | :54:53. | |
the light of the flow of information after words which can not only make | :54:54. | :54:57. | |
the original situation worse, but is immensely frustrating for the | :54:58. | :55:02. | |
families. As has been explained by constituents, members of the | :55:03. | :55:07. | |
fatherless generation action group, this is the scandal of epic | :55:08. | :55:13. | |
proportions. I look forward to seeing continued progress on this. | :55:14. | :55:19. | |
Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker. It is delightful to see you in your new | :55:20. | :55:27. | |
police. Can I congratulate the Honourable Lady for Oxford on her | :55:28. | :55:31. | |
maiden speech. It was an excellent start and I am sure she will have a | :55:32. | :55:36. | |
long career in the House of Commons. Today, we had from some very | :55:37. | :55:43. | |
important contribute others in this debate. We were very moved by the | :55:44. | :55:50. | |
contribution by my honourable friend for Newport East when she talked | :55:51. | :55:54. | |
about the little boy who received contaminated blood products when he | :55:55. | :56:03. | |
was young and died eventually of hepatitis C. It remains as it is | :56:04. | :56:17. | |
boys and girls, husbands and wives, sons and daughters. Does she agree | :56:18. | :56:23. | |
that these blood products should have been removed as soon as the | :56:24. | :56:28. | |
risks about them became clear? That is one of the major points and it is | :56:29. | :56:32. | |
one of the points at the I hope the enquiry will get to grips with. I | :56:33. | :56:37. | |
would generally see to the Minister that we will not be going away on | :56:38. | :56:41. | |
this. We will be following very carefully parliamentarians from all | :56:42. | :56:46. | |
sides of the house as to how the consultation is taking place, who is | :56:47. | :56:52. | |
consulted, making sure that is good timetable, he tamely timetable and | :56:53. | :56:55. | |
that is legal support for those people in need with representation, | :56:56. | :57:00. | |
that there are regular updates to the parliament and I just want to | :57:01. | :57:04. | |
finish with the quote from a person who has just contacted me, seeing, | :57:05. | :57:09. | |
this is just the end of the beginning and there is still a long | :57:10. | :57:14. | |
way to go for truth, justice and holding to account. We will be | :57:15. | :57:18. | |
watching very carefully what the government will do next". | :57:19. | :57:29. | |
house has considered the need for a public enquiry. | :57:30. | :57:36. | |
As many as are of that opinion, say Aye. | :57:37. | :57:40. | |
Importantly, in the context of Article 27 what happens rarely | :57:41. | :58:01. | |
perfect across. I was talking to the secretary, very good friend of mine | :58:02. | :58:03. | |
20 months ago, | :58:04. | :58:04. |