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Order, order. The ayes to the right, 271. The noes to the left, 305. | :00:09. | :00:33. | |
The ayes to the right, 271, the noes to the left, 305, the noes have it. | :00:34. | :00:41. | |
Unlock! The question is the amendment made. As many as are of | :00:42. | :00:42. | |
the opinion, say "aye". To the the ayes have it. We've now, to the | :00:43. | :00:58. | |
second group amendment one, with which it will be convenient to | :00:59. | :01:04. | |
consider amendments to be close to. Patricia Gibson to move amendment. | :01:05. | :01:15. | |
To move the motion, I wish to speak to amendment one in my name and that | :01:16. | :01:19. | |
of my honourable friend for Portmarnock allowed in. --, and | :01:20. | :01:26. | |
loads. And requires the Government to undertake an impact assessment | :01:27. | :01:29. | |
before bringing forward regulations to amend the definition on the list | :01:30. | :01:36. | |
act. Clause two of the bill requires only... There is a lot of | :01:37. | :01:41. | |
conversation, I really am struggling. Please can we keep | :01:42. | :01:47. | |
conversations until people leave the chamber. Patricia Gibson. Clause two | :01:48. | :01:54. | |
requires only the secretary of state has an affirmative resolution by | :01:55. | :01:57. | |
both houses but that is not enough. The Government should conduct a | :01:58. | :02:00. | |
proper consultation and assess potential impact of any changes | :02:01. | :02:07. | |
proposed to the Atol scheme. That it intends to introduce its secondary | :02:08. | :02:11. | |
legislation. Any proposals must be fully transparent and consumers and | :02:12. | :02:14. | |
businesses alike must be formally consulted on the process to allow | :02:15. | :02:18. | |
for proper scrutiny. We trust the Minister will accept this and our | :02:19. | :02:20. | |
reasons for proposing this amendment. | :02:21. | :02:27. | |
The question is amendment one be made. | :02:28. | :02:31. | |
Minister. Mr Speaker, Mr Deputy Speaker, I beg your pardon, I can | :02:32. | :02:36. | |
satisfy the honourable lady entirely, I really intend to ensure | :02:37. | :02:40. | |
there is exactly what she asks for, we have full consultation and impact | :02:41. | :02:44. | |
assessment with respect to any regulations under the measures I | :02:45. | :02:48. | |
bring to the house today. On that basis I hope she will withdraw the | :02:49. | :02:52. | |
amendment, if she does not she will look rather daft. | :02:53. | :03:01. | |
I rise to speak to amendment three. I am hoping you will select the | :03:02. | :03:08. | |
amendment for a division. With this amendment we are seeking commitment | :03:09. | :03:14. | |
by the Minister that the Government would conduct a thorough impact | :03:15. | :03:19. | |
assessment consultation before implementing the power. The second | :03:20. | :03:22. | |
clause relates to add travel trusts which is the legal vehicle that | :03:23. | :03:27. | |
holds the money that is then used to refund consumers and the Atol | :03:28. | :03:32. | |
protections. It would give the Secretary of State the power to | :03:33. | :03:36. | |
define a separate trust arrangement to reflect different market models, | :03:37. | :03:41. | |
prefiguring some of the changes in the holiday package market referred | :03:42. | :03:46. | |
to by the Minister. This amendment would require the Government to | :03:47. | :03:50. | |
undertake a full and proper review and public consultation. Before | :03:51. | :03:55. | |
bringing in any of the changes that would be enabled and that the powers | :03:56. | :04:02. | |
in clause two. Like clause one, clause two does not see directly | :04:03. | :04:10. | |
relevant to analysing the EU and UK regulations. Instead it is a dormant | :04:11. | :04:13. | |
power the Government will retain in order to make considerable changes | :04:14. | :04:18. | |
to Atol, in particular to air travel trusts. That is where Brexit, | :04:19. | :04:23. | |
perhaps, does come in, because we're such changes to happen but not where | :04:24. | :04:27. | |
such changes to happen they would most likely be in the event of | :04:28. | :04:38. | |
leaving the EU. Richard Moriarty of the Civil Aviation Authority and | :04:39. | :04:41. | |
trustee of the current air travel trusts spoke about recognising the | :04:42. | :04:46. | |
possible merits of separating the trust to reflect variations of | :04:47. | :04:51. | |
products in the market. However, he explained we simply are not there | :04:52. | :04:55. | |
yet and that it would be one for the Government to use this bill as it | :04:56. | :05:01. | |
means of making changes without June consultation. The Minister made it | :05:02. | :05:05. | |
clear in a letter to my honourable friend for Middlesbrough changes | :05:06. | :05:09. | |
would be made only through the affirmative procedure yet the bill | :05:10. | :05:15. | |
does not account for any further consultation of part of this | :05:16. | :05:18. | |
measure. At the impact assessment the Government have undertaken it | :05:19. | :05:24. | |
explicitly state it does not consider proposals for atoll | :05:25. | :05:28. | |
reformed beyond what is required in the package travel directive. It | :05:29. | :05:31. | |
would therefore be rather inappropriate for the Minister to go | :05:32. | :05:37. | |
beyond that without providing assurances at this stage proper | :05:38. | :05:41. | |
consultation and scrutiny would take place if they are minded to go | :05:42. | :05:45. | |
beyond changes already envisaged. During evidence session Mr Moriarty | :05:46. | :05:51. | |
said he hoped the Government would follow the practice they have | :05:52. | :05:56. | |
followed so far, consult with regulators, consult with the | :05:57. | :06:01. | |
industry and do the impact assessment and so on. This amendment | :06:02. | :06:05. | |
is simply saying that, it is fair and reasonable and guarantees | :06:06. | :06:17. | |
further changes to scrutiny. Patricia Gibson. | :06:18. | :06:24. | |
Then the light of the Minister's assurances tonight I withdraw the | :06:25. | :06:29. | |
amendment. Is it your place amendment one be | :06:30. | :06:36. | |
withdrawn. Amendment one withdrawn. We now come to question amendment | :06:37. | :06:42. | |
three. The question is amendment three be made. As many as are of the | :06:43. | :06:45. | |
opinion, say "aye". To the contrary, "no".. Claire the lobbies! | :06:46. | :07:46. | |
Right. The question is that amendment only be made. As many of | :07:47. | :07:52. | |
of that opinion say aye. To the contrary, no. | :07:53. | :14:53. | |
order, order. The ayes to the right, 274. The noes to the left, feared | :14:54. | :19:25. | |
and seven. -- 307. Ayes to the right, turned and 74. The noes to | :19:26. | :19:34. | |
the left, 307. The noes have it, the noes have it. The question was that | :19:35. | :19:41. | |
clause two stand part of the bill. As many of that opinion say aye. On | :19:42. | :19:55. | |
the contrary, no. The ayes have it. The question is that clause four | :19:56. | :19:59. | |
stand part of the bill. As many of that opinion say aye. On the | :20:00. | :20:04. | |
contrary, no. The ayes have it. We now come to new clause one. Tricia | :20:05. | :20:13. | |
Gibson to move. I beg to move new clause one in my name. It requires | :20:14. | :20:19. | |
the UK Government to report regularly on the threat of Brexit on | :20:20. | :20:25. | |
consumer protection under the Atol scheme and to report annually on the | :20:26. | :20:30. | |
progress it has made. Brexit throws up great uncertainties, not least in | :20:31. | :20:33. | |
the aviation sector, with regards to passenger rights, compensation | :20:34. | :20:36. | |
schemes and how much change and schemes and how much change and | :20:37. | :20:41. | |
stability can be expected. There is also the question of how EU airlines | :20:42. | :20:46. | |
and passengers might be affected. The overriding concern with this | :20:47. | :20:50. | |
bill, welcome as it is, is consumer concerns must be safeguarded. | :20:51. | :20:55. | |
Furthermore, such consumer protection is enhanced and updated | :20:56. | :21:00. | |
as society and technology evolves. Just as they have during our EU | :21:01. | :21:06. | |
membership. The UK cannot be left behind in a stagnating situation in | :21:07. | :21:10. | |
this regard in a post Brexit world. New clause one is an extremely | :21:11. | :21:14. | |
comfort and confidence to consumers. comfort and confidence to consumers. | :21:15. | :21:18. | |
Otherwise, such a lack of guarantees will leave passengers vulnerable and | :21:19. | :21:23. | |
potentially put people off booking holidays, which can only be bad news | :21:24. | :21:28. | |
for an outbound tourism economy. It is so vital for jobs in Scotland and | :21:29. | :21:30. | |
the rest of the UK and we intend to the rest of the UK and we intend to | :21:31. | :21:35. | |
do press this matter to a division... The question is the new | :21:36. | :21:42. | |
clause one will be better second time. | :21:43. | :21:47. | |
I am grateful, Mr Deputy Speaker. As I said with previous amendments, I | :21:48. | :21:51. | |
endorse and indeed support this member's partners. Either way, I am | :21:52. | :21:56. | |
grateful for the honourable lady for withdrawing her earlier amendment | :21:57. | :22:02. | |
following the assurance I gave her. And they say to the honourable | :22:03. | :22:05. | |
gentleman opposite that I am committed to fill consultation and | :22:06. | :22:09. | |
regulations as they are rolled out regulations as they are rolled out | :22:10. | :22:10. | |
as a result of this legislation. The atoll legislation is not | :22:11. | :22:23. | |
dependent on the package travel directive, this bill will harmonise | :22:24. | :22:27. | |
at all with the package travel directive in the immediate term, | :22:28. | :22:33. | |
however, atoll legislation and protection will exist and remain in | :22:34. | :22:40. | |
place as we leave the EU. It is made by an framed in and supported by | :22:41. | :22:46. | |
domestic legislation so whilst I understand the honourable lady's | :22:47. | :22:51. | |
point, I have to say to her I think the new clause is a necessary, as it | :22:52. | :22:58. | |
is enshrined in an act of this Parliament and all that Parliament | :22:59. | :23:03. | |
can change this. Therefore, I hope the honourable lady, mindful of that | :23:04. | :23:07. | |
and the assurances I have already given about consultation and further | :23:08. | :23:14. | |
review, and indeed impact assessments, and the fact I | :23:15. | :23:19. | |
mentioned there will be a review of all of this matters and what I have | :23:20. | :23:26. | |
said about, I hope, given all of that, she might withdraw the new | :23:27. | :23:30. | |
clause in her name and the name of others. | :23:31. | :23:39. | |
These consumer protection measures require an assessment and we will | :23:40. | :23:46. | |
support the cause. The question is new clause one be ready second. As | :23:47. | :23:50. | |
many as are of the opinion, say "aye". To the contrary, "no". | :23:51. | :23:52. | |
Division. Clear the lobbies! Order, the question is new clause | :23:53. | :25:27. | |
one be read a second time. Just sits a minute. The question is new clause | :25:28. | :25:35. | |
one be read a second time. That is an absolute disgrace. Right, we will | :25:36. | :25:41. | |
try again and see if we can make progress. The question is new clause | :25:42. | :25:48. | |
one be read a second time. As many as are of the opinion, say "aye". To | :25:49. | :25:49. | |
the contrary, "no". Order. The ayes to the right 273, | :25:50. | :35:46. | |
the noes the left 308. Thank you. The ayes to the right | :35:47. | :35:53. | |
273, the noes to the left, 308. The noes have it. Unlock. The question | :35:54. | :36:04. | |
is I do report is the bill without amendments to the house, As many as | :36:05. | :36:07. | |
are of the opinion, say "aye". To the contrary, "no". The ayes have | :36:08. | :36:12. | |
it. Order, order. Let me find out where I am. | :36:13. | :36:39. | |
I don't believe that for one moment. Order, order. I beg to move the | :36:40. | :36:47. | |
house has gone through the bill and made no amendment. | :36:48. | :36:53. | |
Third reading. Minister to move. I am immensely grateful, Mr Deputy | :36:54. | :36:57. | |
Speaker. What a pleasure it is to move the third reading of this | :36:58. | :37:03. | |
important bill and to be able to do so in the knowledge it be considered | :37:04. | :37:07. | |
in the spirit it deserves, there has been properly reasoned and measure | :37:08. | :37:15. | |
it and sensible debate about its provisions and I am grateful to | :37:16. | :37:21. | |
members of all sides of the hose for contributing to that process. I do | :37:22. | :37:27. | |
think it was a little unnecessary we voted once or twice earlier but | :37:28. | :37:31. | |
let's put that to one side because I fully appreciate opposition must do | :37:32. | :37:39. | |
its job, if only to maintain the morale of the parliamentary party | :37:40. | :37:43. | |
that knows it is no need to power now and it was a week or a month or | :37:44. | :37:46. | |
a year ago. Put that one side. This is an | :37:47. | :37:56. | |
important piece of legislation which as we said repeatedly brings | :37:57. | :37:59. | |
up-to-date and up to speed the arrangements under the | :38:00. | :38:00. | |
which protect travellers. Those which protect travellers. Those | :38:01. | :38:04. | |
arrangements have been proven time arrangements have been proven time | :38:05. | :38:09. | |
and time again to be effective. They are necessary and desirable, as has | :38:10. | :38:13. | |
been acknowledged throughout our consideration. Benjamin Disraeli, we | :38:14. | :38:21. | |
have heard too little of this afternoon. He said, like all great | :38:22. | :38:26. | |
travellers, I have seen more and I remember more than I have seen. What | :38:27. | :38:31. | |
I remember of these considerations is, as I said, they have been | :38:32. | :38:35. | |
conducted in the way that Parliament should look at all such matters. I | :38:36. | :38:39. | |
am entirely confident that the bill, as it proceeds, will continue to | :38:40. | :38:44. | |
provide reassurance to travellers, the necessary provisions for | :38:45. | :38:51. | |
businesses, and in those terms will do this Government and this | :38:52. | :39:00. | |
house-proud. It is right that the Government should act in the | :39:01. | :39:02. | |
interest of the common good. For that is enshrined in all that we are | :39:03. | :39:07. | |
in my party and I hope that other parties in this House will gradually | :39:08. | :39:18. | |
over time learn from that. So I welcome entirely the way that we | :39:19. | :39:21. | |
have dealt with these matters. I look forward to the further | :39:22. | :39:27. | |
consideration of them was the bill becomes law. I have committed to | :39:28. | :39:36. | |
review the thoroughly and is the regulations will do, it is important | :39:37. | :39:41. | |
to amplify it and review the implications of that in the way that | :39:42. | :39:46. | |
is recommended by this House. We can be proud of this legislation. I am | :39:47. | :39:52. | |
sure it is not just fit for purpose but necessary, desirable and | :39:53. | :39:56. | |
efficacious and I move it on that basis. The question is that the bill | :39:57. | :40:08. | |
be read after time. -- a third time. The Labour Party is supportive of | :40:09. | :40:12. | |
the Atol bill and we will vote in support of it. But there are | :40:13. | :40:15. | |
concerns on the impact of some parts of the bill which were expressed | :40:16. | :40:22. | |
when this was first discussed. We hope that the Minister has taken on | :40:23. | :40:29. | |
board the points made by Labour, echoed by the SNP, who re-tabled the | :40:30. | :40:34. | |
amendments in the committee. The House will be aware that the Prime | :40:35. | :40:37. | |
Minister has asked the opposition to help the Government five providing | :40:38. | :40:42. | |
some policy suggestions. But it seems that the SNP are not even | :40:43. | :40:46. | |
asking for help but rather just take Labour's policy ideas as their own | :40:47. | :40:52. | |
and we should probably take that as a compliment, Mr Deputy Speaker. We | :40:53. | :40:56. | |
support the bill because it brings Atol up-to-date and it will ensure | :40:57. | :41:03. | |
that it syncs up with the latest travel directive, extending to a | :41:04. | :41:07. | |
wider range of holidays and protecting more consumers as well as | :41:08. | :41:11. | |
a leading UK travel companies to sell more seamlessly across Europe. | :41:12. | :41:17. | |
Whilst we have some real concerns over whether UK consumers will be is | :41:18. | :41:20. | |
officially protected by a UBS companies as they will no longer be | :41:21. | :41:25. | |
subject to Atol, but a member state equivalents, we welcome the changes | :41:26. | :41:29. | |
which will ultimately help to protect more holiday-makers. The | :41:30. | :41:32. | |
invitations for tet-mac two after invitations for tet-mac two after | :41:33. | :41:36. | |
Brexit and also cause for concern. -- four Atol. The bill proposes that | :41:37. | :41:42. | |
the Secretary of State requires only an affirmative resolution | :41:43. | :41:44. | |
significantly reform Atol and the significantly reform Atol and the | :41:45. | :41:50. | |
air travel trust fund. Labour recognises the merit of some reforms | :41:51. | :41:54. | |
but we believe an impact assessment, fill consultation and scrutiny | :41:55. | :41:57. | |
should have been required before any fundamental changes are made to | :41:58. | :42:03. | |
these consumer sections. -- protections. The issue brings to the | :42:04. | :42:06. | |
forefront uncertainties over the future of the UK of the nation -- of | :42:07. | :42:13. | |
UK aviation following the decision to leave EU. The Labour Party has | :42:14. | :42:16. | |
been clear in that whatever framework is chosen, we should | :42:17. | :42:22. | |
prioritise working in an unchanged operating environment. The service | :42:23. | :42:30. | |
agreements should be prioritised. As is customary, such agreement should | :42:31. | :42:33. | |
be negotiated separately from and prior to negotiations on trade with | :42:34. | :42:36. | |
EU. The Government must not waste the opportunity that this bill | :42:37. | :42:43. | |
presents to clarify intended future arrangements for our aviation | :42:44. | :42:48. | |
industry. The UK aviation sector is the largest in Europe, Fab largest | :42:49. | :42:53. | |
in the world, supporting 1 million jobs and bringing 9 billion into the | :42:54. | :42:57. | |
Treasury in taxes each. -- third largest. But aviation also provides | :42:58. | :43:06. | |
a network infrastructure that allows other industries to do well also. | :43:07. | :43:10. | |
Half a million jobs in the UK tourism industry as a porter by | :43:11. | :43:17. | |
aviation. 40 but since -- 40% of UK exports go via airports. The EU is | :43:18. | :43:27. | |
largest destination, 49% of passengers travel there. Airlines | :43:28. | :43:33. | |
that operate from within UK unable to operate within the EU single | :43:34. | :43:38. | |
aviation market, which allows them to operate freely within the EU | :43:39. | :43:44. | |
without restrictions on capacity, frequency and pricing. | :43:45. | :43:58. | |
Significantly, this includes three you, -- EU open skies agreement. | :43:59. | :44:08. | |
That allows airlines to deal to fly between the EU and the US. If | :44:09. | :44:12. | |
Britain leads the year without retaining any form of European | :44:13. | :44:16. | |
common aviation membership, airlines common aviation membership, airlines | :44:17. | :44:20. | |
will need to negotiate new lines to operate freely within the EU and | :44:21. | :44:23. | |
operate transatlantic routes. This means that there will be no legal | :44:24. | :44:26. | |
framework that allows airlines to fly to those destinations within | :44:27. | :44:37. | |
with thin -- within the UK. It means airlines could lose the right to fly | :44:38. | :44:41. | |
Aviation is legally unique. It is Aviation is legally unique. It is | :44:42. | :44:48. | |
separate from trade agreements and it does not form part of the World | :44:49. | :44:51. | |
Trade Organisation system. Instead, countries negotiate bilateral or | :44:52. | :44:57. | |
multilateral are service agreements to provide airlines with legal | :44:58. | :45:03. | |
rights to fly to certain places. To ensure the continuity of | :45:04. | :45:08. | |
connectivity, the UK will need to negotiate a new air service | :45:09. | :45:13. | |
agreement with countries like the US if there is no agreement at the time | :45:14. | :45:18. | |
the UK leads the EU. Connectivity could be undermined and the UK | :45:19. | :45:23. | |
ability to trade be much more difficult. It is imperative that the | :45:24. | :45:27. | |
Government should prioritise retaining an essentially unchanged | :45:28. | :45:35. | |
operating environment. That is why we should prioritise air services | :45:36. | :45:37. | |
agreement as part of Brexit negotiations. Does the measures in | :45:38. | :45:42. | |
this bill are important and will provide additional security to UK | :45:43. | :45:46. | |
holiday-makers, it is strange the Government find it necessary to | :45:47. | :45:49. | |
debate was built of the whole house. The measures in the bill were | :45:50. | :45:54. | |
included previously and passed through the committee stage before | :45:55. | :45:58. | |
the primaries to decided to call the unnecessary snap general election. I | :45:59. | :45:59. | |
think that I am right in saying, Mr think that I am right in saying, Mr | :46:00. | :46:03. | |
Deputy Speaker, these provisions were debated in that bill in normal | :46:04. | :46:10. | |
than 45 minutes in committee. The Government had not made changes to | :46:11. | :46:17. | |
proposal. We don't understand why the decision was taken for this | :46:18. | :46:25. | |
largely niche bill to take up time in the chamber, other than to try | :46:26. | :46:28. | |
and disguise the fact that this chaotic Government have a thread be | :46:29. | :46:31. | |
a legislative programme for this Parliament. I just make a point that | :46:32. | :46:38. | |
as a result of that scrutiny, which the honourable gentleman should not | :46:39. | :46:41. | |
disparage, because he has played an important part of making it real, we | :46:42. | :46:46. | |
have had a good debate about the issue of review, impact assessments | :46:47. | :46:51. | |
and further consultation. Those things very close to his heart. It | :46:52. | :46:58. | |
has the really useful purpose. He makes a fair enough point, but it | :46:59. | :47:02. | |
seems, with respect to the Minister, that there has been a terrible waste | :47:03. | :47:05. | |
of time debating this in the committee of the whole house when in | :47:06. | :47:10. | |
fact it was dealt with in 45 minutes in committee upstairs. Mr Deputy | :47:11. | :47:17. | |
Speaker, for sake of appearances, it has been broken up into component | :47:18. | :47:21. | |
parts and has now been given undue time for debate in this chairman. Of | :47:22. | :47:29. | |
course. -- in this chamber. I am terribly grateful to remember. It is | :47:30. | :47:32. | |
of course not a waste of time to discuss anything pertaining to the | :47:33. | :47:36. | |
whole of the UK in this House and in committee of the whole of the House | :47:37. | :47:39. | |
because it gives me the opportunity to remind the Minister that we have | :47:40. | :47:43. | |
three airports in Northern Ireland. We in Northern Ireland are the only | :47:44. | :47:46. | |
part physically connected to another EU member state, the Republic of | :47:47. | :47:53. | |
Ireland. It is only important. We don't want to lose traffic and | :47:54. | :47:58. | |
airport traffic from Northern Ireland to airports like Dublin. She | :47:59. | :48:03. | |
makes up good point on behalf of our constituency but I don't think | :48:04. | :48:10. | |
requires your response from me. I thank the Minister for giving way. | :48:11. | :48:16. | |
This is a bit of an occasion, really, because the opposition | :48:17. | :48:22. | |
traditionally complain that things are not given time the Government | :48:23. | :48:25. | |
has tried to rush it through. That there has not been sufficient | :48:26. | :48:29. | |
examination. The Shadow Minister seems to be making quite a precedent | :48:30. | :48:34. | |
here that he is complaining this bill has been given too much time. | :48:35. | :48:39. | |
Why is that? If he will allow me to continue, will make the point in a | :48:40. | :48:42. | |
minute or two that they are very important issues debated which are | :48:43. | :48:49. | |
now not going to be debated. And indeed made into legislation. By | :48:50. | :48:55. | |
breaking up the bill, message was included have been dropped. Measures | :48:56. | :49:01. | |
which could have been included to improve legislation through | :49:02. | :49:02. | |
clauses and amendments will no clauses and amendments will no | :49:03. | :49:05. | |
longer be added because the longer within the scope of forthcoming | :49:06. | :49:11. | |
bills. The proposal to make the shining lasers and vehicles control | :49:12. | :49:15. | |
towers and enforceable criminal offence, which were strongly | :49:16. | :49:19. | |
supported by the side of the House, which we would be happy to support, | :49:20. | :49:24. | |
has been dropped altogether. That is clearly concerning. We do not want | :49:25. | :49:28. | |
to see avoidable disasters brought about by the malicious use of | :49:29. | :49:36. | |
Labour's -- lasers and nor does the Minister. Can he explain why he is | :49:37. | :49:41. | |
dropped these plans and when he proposes to legislate to tackle this | :49:42. | :49:44. | |
serious problem?, again there is nothing in the bill for the | :49:45. | :49:48. | |
inclusion of the much-needed regulations on drones. The | :49:49. | :49:53. | |
Government respond to the consultation on drones I think in | :49:54. | :49:57. | |
have made much more progress have made much more progress | :49:58. | :50:00. | |
already, including making decisions on whether the UK should follow | :50:01. | :50:05. | |
other countries by establishing a compulsory registration scheme and | :50:06. | :50:10. | |
getting systematic geo- fencing in place to physically stop drones | :50:11. | :50:13. | |
getting near airports and other places where they could be | :50:14. | :50:20. | |
potentially so dangerous. It makes no sense of the Government to have | :50:21. | :50:23. | |
abandoned the bill in which action on drones could have been included. | :50:24. | :50:28. | |
These are decisions that will make aviation less safe than it should | :50:29. | :50:34. | |
such incidents confirmed and the such incidents confirmed and the | :50:35. | :50:39. | |
first five months of this year, there were 70 last year and 29 in | :50:40. | :50:45. | |
2015. Just ten in the five years preceding. We need legislation to | :50:46. | :50:52. | |
regulate the use of drones, to tackle the worrying trend of near | :50:53. | :50:55. | |
misses with planes. The aviation industry have been clear, Mr Deputy | :50:56. | :50:59. | |
Speaker, that they need the Government to act on these concerns | :51:00. | :51:04. | |
now. We on this side of the House have been pressing them on this | :51:05. | :51:09. | |
issue for many years. Without action, it is a question of when, | :51:10. | :51:15. | |
rather than if there is a passenger plane involved in a drone related | :51:16. | :51:18. | |
incident. So will the Minister explain why this has been dropped | :51:19. | :51:23. | |
and what plans he has to get it right? It is just one month into | :51:24. | :51:25. | |
this new parliament and the this new parliament and | :51:26. | :51:26. | |
Government are already running out Government are already running out | :51:27. | :51:31. | |
of steam. Which is why we have been debating this bill on the floor of | :51:32. | :51:33. | |
the House rather upstairs in committee. The Prime Minister is | :51:34. | :51:37. | |
attempting to crowds of policy ideas from the opposition and in this | :51:38. | :51:43. | |
case, we can assist. The Government needs to bring forward legislation | :51:44. | :51:46. | |
on the misuse of lasers. On the regulation of drones. And provide | :51:47. | :51:51. | |
clarity and certainty for UK aviation post Brexit. We welcome the | :51:52. | :51:56. | |
Government adopting these policies and they will have our full support | :51:57. | :51:59. | |
if they do so. Leave abruptly supports the bill because it extends | :52:00. | :52:03. | |
protection is afforded to many more holiday-makers but we one clarity | :52:04. | :52:08. | |
and a UK-based companies, which longer subject to Atol, will be | :52:09. | :52:13. | |
provided protection to UK consumers. The best possible framework to | :52:14. | :52:24. | |
ensure that the sector flourishes but this means preparing ourselves | :52:25. | :52:28. | |
for the many implications of Brexit on Atol and the aviation sector as a | :52:29. | :52:34. | |
whole. I and very much work I began in a | :52:35. | :52:40. | |
welcoming and supporting the Government's majors to update the | :52:41. | :52:43. | |
Atol scheme to provide more passenger protection and align it | :52:44. | :52:47. | |
with the latest EU directives and the further progress made in this | :52:48. | :52:52. | |
debate. I was disappointed to hear the member for Kingston-upon-Hull | :52:53. | :52:58. | |
complaining that process has taken too long. I would suggest to the | :52:59. | :53:02. | |
honourable gentleman if he sees this as a problem perhaps he has | :53:03. | :53:06. | |
contributed to it with his extensive remarks which I am sure we all | :53:07. | :53:10. | |
enjoyed but he seems to contribute to the problem here that if I is. | :53:11. | :53:15. | |
I am grateful to the honourable lady. I did not complain it has | :53:16. | :53:19. | |
taken too long I simply made the point the time in this house is | :53:20. | :53:23. | |
incredibly important and there is a lot of things discussed and debated | :53:24. | :53:28. | |
which could have made the legislation but the time has been | :53:29. | :53:35. | |
wasted. 45 minutes in committee, that was the point. | :53:36. | :53:38. | |
I believe the Minister has taken on board a very legitimate and legal | :53:39. | :53:42. | |
concerns expressed tonight about the rights of consumers and how they are | :53:43. | :53:45. | |
to be protected and have their current rate is guaranteed as we | :53:46. | :53:50. | |
head towards a post Brexit world. There can and must not be any | :53:51. | :53:57. | |
diminution or stagnation in passengers' rights as technology | :53:58. | :54:00. | |
advances. It is heartening to see the way this bill has proceeded | :54:01. | :54:04. | |
through the house and the ensuing debate and I will be delighted to be | :54:05. | :54:13. | |
part of it. Briefly, I don't want to delay the | :54:14. | :54:18. | |
house... I am sure the Minister will beg the lead of the house to address | :54:19. | :54:23. | |
the house again. I do not want to detain the house at | :54:24. | :54:34. | |
length, except... Except to say that to affirm my thanks to all members | :54:35. | :54:40. | |
who have contributed to this debate. I hear what the honourable gentleman | :54:41. | :54:45. | |
says about the previous bill, he drew attention to those elements of | :54:46. | :54:48. | |
the bill which were not being considered today, this is very much | :54:49. | :54:55. | |
part of that earlier bill, but we have made clear in the Queen's | :54:56. | :55:00. | |
Speech we intend to bring further legislation in the area of transport | :55:01. | :55:05. | |
and I'm happy to continue to have conversation about drones and | :55:06. | :55:12. | |
lasers, as he suggested. It has been in the debate, a good bill and I | :55:13. | :55:17. | |
think we will leave it at that. The question is the bill be now read | :55:18. | :55:21. | |
the third time. As many as are of the opinion, say "aye". To the | :55:22. | :55:28. | |
contrary, "no". The ayes have it, the ayes have it. | :55:29. | :55:36. | |
We now come to the motion relating to high-speed two and electronic | :55:37. | :55:46. | |
deposits of documents. I call the Minister Michael Ellis to move the | :55:47. | :55:50. | |
motion. Thank you very much. I beg to move | :55:51. | :55:55. | |
the motion in the name of the Leader of the House. Her Majesty's gracious | :55:56. | :55:59. | |
speech gave notice of the Government's intention to introduce | :56:00. | :56:03. | |
a hybrid bill to parliament later in the year to take forward the next | :56:04. | :56:08. | |
phase of HS2. As a hybrid bill that will be governed by the Standing | :56:09. | :56:12. | |
Orders for private business. Parlour's review of the Standing | :56:13. | :56:16. | |
Orders following the passage of the high-speed rail London West Midlands | :56:17. | :56:21. | |
act has not yet concluded and is the first significant review since 1948. | :56:22. | :56:27. | |
It is therefore necessary to move this motion to update parliamentary | :56:28. | :56:32. | |
procedure to reflect developments in technology since 1948. If I may I | :56:33. | :56:37. | |
will explain briefly the changes to the house which replicate those the | :56:38. | :56:43. | |
house authorised in 2013 ahead of the introduction of the previous | :56:44. | :56:48. | |
hybrid bill. The house will be aware along with the HS2 hybrid bill later | :56:49. | :56:52. | |
this year we will provide Parliament with the environmental statement. | :56:53. | :56:56. | |
This will set out the likely significant environmental effects of | :56:57. | :57:00. | |
the scheme and put forward proposals for alleviating those effects. For a | :57:01. | :57:05. | |
project of this magnitude that is a considerable level of detail | :57:06. | :57:08. | |
involved. We expect the statement to be up to 12,000 pages long. It is of | :57:09. | :57:15. | |
course important local communities can easily find out what the impact | :57:16. | :57:21. | |
will be on their local area. However, current Standing Orders | :57:22. | :57:25. | |
require a us to deposit a hard copy of that document to every local | :57:26. | :57:29. | |
authority area along the line of the route. In this day and age that is | :57:30. | :57:34. | |
inconvenient for the communities involved, especially for parish | :57:35. | :57:39. | |
councils, many of which do not have sufficient space so they asked us to | :57:40. | :57:43. | |
deliver it elsewhere, often a library nearby. That is why the | :57:44. | :57:49. | |
motion allows for the electronic deposits of Bill documentation for | :57:50. | :57:54. | |
the HS2 hybrid bill. I am most grateful honourable friend | :57:55. | :57:59. | |
and as one who is seriously opposed to this hybrid bill which runs right | :58:00. | :58:05. | |
through my constituency and want to make quite sure if he would be good | :58:06. | :58:09. | |
enough to give us written undertaking there will be provision | :58:10. | :58:14. | |
of written material of the kind he describes, although I understand why | :58:15. | :58:20. | |
it should be in electronic form. It is a promise of power, it does | :58:21. | :58:25. | |
not require documents to be deposited in electronic format only, | :58:26. | :58:31. | |
if deposit location once all the documents and hard copy, HS2 Limited | :58:32. | :58:39. | |
will provide them so. The motion allows for the electronic deposit of | :58:40. | :58:43. | |
Bill documentation for the HS2 Hybrid bill, making it easier for | :58:44. | :58:47. | |
communities across the route to find the information most relevant to | :58:48. | :58:52. | |
their area without having to work through an otherwise enormous | :58:53. | :58:55. | |
document and will also make it but like I will give way to my | :58:56. | :58:58. | |
honourable friend. What will happen if because of the | :58:59. | :59:05. | |
cruelty of this Government the libraries have been closed and there | :59:06. | :59:11. | |
was therefore room for the hard copies of the bill, even though the | :59:12. | :59:15. | |
local areas wanted them. How would you handle that? I don't | :59:16. | :59:21. | |
accept the characterisation of my right honourable friend. On previous | :59:22. | :59:27. | |
occasions nearby community libraries have been asked to store Rabat has | :59:28. | :59:32. | |
been storage problem so I anticipate alternative mechanisms could be in | :59:33. | :59:37. | |
place. As I said, it should be noted that is a permissive power. It does | :59:38. | :59:44. | |
not require documents be deposited electronically only so if a location | :59:45. | :59:51. | |
once all the documents and hard copy HS2 will provide them so and in all | :59:52. | :59:54. | |
cases HS2 Limited will make available the key document and hard | :59:55. | :00:01. | |
copy such as the bill itself and the nontechnical summary of the | :00:02. | :00:04. | |
environmental statement. Further, members of the public will be able | :00:05. | :00:09. | |
to phone his chest to Limited can ask for free hard copies of the | :00:10. | :00:14. | |
nontechnical summary -- HS2 Limited, the local community area report and | :00:15. | :00:19. | |
maps. If you deposit location with that document in electronic form but | :00:20. | :00:22. | |
does not have the equipment to make them available to the community, HS2 | :00:23. | :00:27. | |
will also provide the equipment and it -- at its own expense. This is a | :00:28. | :00:33. | |
wholly sensible organisation of standing order requirements that | :00:34. | :00:35. | |
were originally conceived in the 19th century and is about making it | :00:36. | :00:39. | |
easier for people to engage with the hybrid bill process and therefore | :00:40. | :00:42. | |
ensuring the most effective decision-making by Parliament. | :00:43. | :00:52. | |
Of course he just sort of widely referred to the maps, of course the | :00:53. | :00:57. | |
maps, specifications, the limits of deviation, he knows perfectly well | :00:58. | :01:00. | |
how much always involves. Can I have an assurance from him if it is | :01:01. | :01:05. | |
required all those things will also be made available in hard copy? Yes. | :01:06. | :01:12. | |
Reasonable request, yes. This is a wholly sensible modernisation of | :01:13. | :01:14. | |
standing order requirements and is easier for people, about making it | :01:15. | :01:20. | |
easier for people to engage with the hybrid bill process. I commend this | :01:21. | :01:27. | |
motion to the house. The question is motion number three, | :01:28. | :01:35. | |
as on the order paper. Can I start by thanking the deputy | :01:36. | :01:39. | |
Leader of the House or his explanation of the changes in | :01:40. | :01:42. | |
Standing Orders for the purposes of the bill. Hybrid bills are a rarity | :01:43. | :01:47. | |
in the house, public bill proposes a law that affects the private | :01:48. | :01:52. | |
interests of a particular person or organisation. This bill will affect | :01:53. | :01:56. | |
the general public and specific household along the route of the HS2 | :01:57. | :02:02. | |
line phase two. The house has already agreed these changes in | :02:03. | :02:05. | |
similar circumstances for phase one of the HS2 project from London to | :02:06. | :02:10. | |
the West Midlands and these changes relate to phase two of the project | :02:11. | :02:13. | |
allowing for the construction of the route from Birmingham to crew, | :02:14. | :02:19. | |
approximately 50 miles apart. These changes allowing for electronic | :02:20. | :02:24. | |
copies and documents to be made available are eminently sensible. | :02:25. | :02:28. | |
Could I ask the deputy Leader of the House if you could clarify a couple | :02:29. | :02:34. | |
of things. On the motion under section three, it says copies of so | :02:35. | :02:39. | |
much of it as the person may reasonably require and such copies | :02:40. | :02:44. | |
made, be provided in electronic form. Could he come from those | :02:45. | :02:48. | |
documents will not unreasonably be withheld and the request will be | :02:49. | :02:53. | |
complied with. I appreciate people cannot ask for documents out of the | :02:54. | :02:57. | |
area of which they do not have an interest but could she say who will | :02:58. | :02:59. | |
actually make the decision about whether it is a reasonable request? | :03:00. | :03:06. | |
Could see also can from households along the Birmingham to Crewe of | :03:07. | :03:10. | |
route, who will be directly affected, will be able to receive a | :03:11. | :03:14. | |
free copy of documents relating to the area? The honourable member has | :03:15. | :03:19. | |
suggested some rural areas may not have a good internet access and may | :03:20. | :03:25. | |
not be proficient in IT, in some cases, but that should have those | :03:26. | :03:28. | |
documents free of charge or can he can they will be gone so was that he | :03:29. | :03:35. | |
mentions a telephone number that people can ring to HS2, can he can | :03:36. | :03:38. | |
from this will not be at the premium rate and will be free of charge? | :03:39. | :03:42. | |
Could the Leader of the House say when we are likely to have the first | :03:43. | :03:46. | |
reading of the bill? Will receive before the house rises for the | :03:47. | :03:51. | |
summer recess? I'm sure we could agree amendment generally through | :03:52. | :03:54. | |
the Procedure Committee we do not have to keep coming back to end to | :03:55. | :03:58. | |
Standing Orders to include a reference to electronic copies. I am | :03:59. | :04:06. | |
sure we could agree that. In the event Her Majesty's opposition | :04:07. | :04:08. | |
support these changes in the Standing Orders, which are in line | :04:09. | :04:17. | |
to previous amendments to Standing Orders, it will be no surprise to | :04:18. | :04:22. | |
the house I rise to my feet on this small motion before the house this | :04:23. | :04:25. | |
evening. It may surprise colleagues sitting | :04:26. | :04:29. | |
alongside me I rise to welcome this particular provision. As a veteran | :04:30. | :04:38. | |
of the hybrid bill process in this place there is no doubt the hybrid | :04:39. | :04:45. | |
bill process is arcane and has tremendous problems with its | :04:46. | :04:50. | |
practices and procedures. Certainly, my constituents and many | :04:51. | :04:53. | |
constituents of other honourable members have been at the mercy of | :04:54. | :04:58. | |
the hybrid process, hybrid bill process. I am afraid I shudder when | :04:59. | :05:06. | |
I hear the front bench say the environmental statement will be at | :05:07. | :05:10. | |
least 12,000 pages, I have experienced something just as large | :05:11. | :05:17. | |
for phase one of the HS2 process and these are indeed very own page | :05:18. | :05:22. | |
documents. I have to ask the deputy Leader of the House if there is | :05:23. | :05:30. | |
going to be sufficient navigable instruments, as it is being served | :05:31. | :05:34. | |
up to people electronically, because I and so that many of my | :05:35. | :05:37. | |
constituents that the documents presented by the HS2 Limited were | :05:38. | :05:42. | |
very difficult to navigate, very hard to find. I would like some and | :05:43. | :05:48. | |
should insist that has been improvements in the way in which | :05:49. | :05:52. | |
people can move around these very large documents. The deputy leader | :05:53. | :05:59. | |
has already given assurances nothing in this order tonight will prevent | :06:00. | :06:03. | |
communities access and paper copies and we must not forget that is a | :06:04. | :06:07. | |
digital divide. Many of the people affected by this project are elderly | :06:08. | :06:11. | |
and the Lord affected by this project are elderly and to easily | :06:12. | :06:16. | |
access on computers large documents. It is very important those people | :06:17. | :06:24. | |
have access, free of charge, to those sections of the document that | :06:25. | :06:28. | |
relate to their properties or the area around is that particular part | :06:29. | :06:35. | |
of the route. I give way. Does my right honourable friend also | :06:36. | :06:40. | |
agree when this material comes electronically and then has to be | :06:41. | :06:45. | |
turned into a person's home or office -- turn a person's home or | :06:46. | :06:48. | |
office into the kind of material they make sense and can read, the | :06:49. | :06:53. | |
complexity of the documents, design specifications and all the other | :06:54. | :06:57. | |
things and monumental volume of paper really does become very | :06:58. | :07:02. | |
daunting indeed. Lastly, does she agree, or our previous debate and | :07:03. | :07:09. | |
consultation, that HS2 better get its act together and consultation as | :07:10. | :07:10. | |
well and do it properly? I am grateful for that intervention. | :07:11. | :07:21. | |
It is quite clear that HS2 needs to improve not only its consultation | :07:22. | :07:24. | |
processes but as communication processes, which are absolutely | :07:25. | :07:31. | |
still failing in many instances. I will. I'm very grateful to the | :07:32. | :07:37. | |
honourable lady for allowing me to intervene. It is a small but very | :07:38. | :07:41. | |
important point. The issue that she has just raised about older people | :07:42. | :07:47. | |
not being familiar, often, with technology and electronic documents. | :07:48. | :07:55. | |
We often see that older people suffer from vision impairment or I | :07:56. | :08:05. | |
impairment. Often people need real copies. Will she seek reassurance | :08:06. | :08:10. | |
that was a disadvantage of seeing documents will have some assistance | :08:11. | :08:15. | |
with that? Can I just say, I think she makes a very good point. What I | :08:16. | :08:21. | |
am keen on insuring is that in a process that is so inequitable, | :08:22. | :08:24. | |
where the citizen receives very where the citizen receives very | :08:25. | :08:28. | |
help, that we try to impress on the front bench and HS2 Ltd that there | :08:29. | :08:33. | |
are people who need assistance to navigate these documents and | :08:34. | :08:36. | |
understand them. And I feel passionately that this needs to be | :08:37. | :08:39. | |
the case. If you have seen people who are losing their house having to | :08:40. | :08:42. | |
appear before the select committee of this House, when a silk, QC, | :08:43. | :08:52. | |
highly expensive barrister is that against them and they have no help, | :08:53. | :08:56. | |
she will understand the reason why I am poor the front bench to make sure | :08:57. | :09:04. | |
there are suitable things in place to help them. We ask that the | :09:05. | :09:08. | |
telephone line would be a free telephone line but I go for the than | :09:09. | :09:12. | |
that. I would like to make sure the front bench and shows that telephone | :09:13. | :09:17. | |
line is actually manned by competent people who actually know what | :09:18. | :09:20. | |
they're talking about and can get people through the process easily. | :09:21. | :09:26. | |
Because that is extremely important in my view. Very disappointed, | :09:27. | :09:31. | |
however, that at the moment there is nothing here to allow petitioners in | :09:32. | :09:36. | |
the process when this will comes forward, in the petition process, to | :09:37. | :09:39. | |
petition electronically, unless the front tells me differently. I have | :09:40. | :09:43. | |
had to bring in petitions from constituents myself into this House. | :09:44. | :09:49. | |
And for the pleasure of defending your properties, they were charged | :09:50. | :09:55. | |
?20. I was collecting money and documents and bringing them in to | :09:56. | :09:59. | |
facilitate that process. Now, my constituency is not fired outside | :10:00. | :10:07. | |
London. -- not far. The people affected by this phase of HS2 Ltd | :10:08. | :10:11. | |
further up the country and I would have fought the front bench would | :10:12. | :10:14. | |
have looked at how constituents of other MPs who are going to be | :10:15. | :10:19. | |
affected by these two are able to put in petitions this time. -- phase | :10:20. | :10:26. | |
two. I implore the front bench to look at that because it is a matter | :10:27. | :10:29. | |
of priority. I think we should wipe out the ?20 fee which is either fish | :10:30. | :10:34. | |
nor fowl. It is an insult to people who want to defend their properties | :10:35. | :10:38. | |
and have their voice heard. I deal that will be cancelled. -- do hope | :10:39. | :10:46. | |
that. I have another question to ask. Because in this motion, the | :10:47. | :10:55. | |
Deputy Leader will that any requirement relating to private | :10:56. | :10:59. | |
business to make a document available for the sale of prescribed | :11:00. | :11:01. | |
offices... If it is made available Foreign Office in London. I would | :11:02. | :11:08. | |
like his assurances that this will not be only place it will be on | :11:09. | :11:15. | |
sale. Because as phase two, when the bills introduced, goes | :11:16. | :11:20. | |
Birmingham Northfield, I wonder if Birmingham Northfield, I wonder if | :11:21. | :11:25. | |
it would be sensible to have this in Manchester, for example, which I | :11:26. | :11:28. | |
think that the more assistance for the people affected by this project. | :11:29. | :11:32. | |
I would very much like to know when the bill will be introduced but | :11:33. | :11:35. | |
they'll so would very much like to know when the second reading is | :11:36. | :11:39. | |
anticipated. Because I think, when we have another hybrid bill of this | :11:40. | :11:45. | |
size and complexity at affecting so many people, that it is important | :11:46. | :11:50. | |
that as much warning as possible is given by the Government and HS2 Ltd. | :11:51. | :11:55. | |
And all the information is readily available well in advance and with | :11:56. | :11:59. | |
explanations of the people can get their heads around it. There is no | :12:00. | :12:04. | |
doubt that there will be support for the phase to Bill across all sides | :12:05. | :12:09. | |
of the House. And once again you will find a very small number of MPs | :12:10. | :12:13. | |
perhaps opposed to it by raising questions about it. So the | :12:14. | :12:18. | |
Government need not fear that it will not get its business. But if it | :12:19. | :12:22. | |
is going to embark on a project of this size and complexity, please | :12:23. | :12:27. | |
learn from the lessons and mistakes that were made on phase one and did | :12:28. | :12:33. | |
not play people on phase two through the same agonies that we had in | :12:34. | :12:36. | |
phase one. If we do not learn and we do not then take action, we are | :12:37. | :12:46. | |
failing people in this country. Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker. And | :12:47. | :12:52. | |
just go to set couple of words. Firstly, the changes are, as the | :12:53. | :12:56. | |
shadow Leader of the House said, sensible. It makes sense to move to | :12:57. | :13:02. | |
electronic means where possible. I want to point to some members that | :13:03. | :13:07. | |
some members have been concerned about the electronic issue and | :13:08. | :13:12. | |
access to hard copy. There are issues with people on benefits being | :13:13. | :13:17. | |
forced to move online. We have to remember there is a disparity here | :13:18. | :13:22. | |
in attitudes. In terms of what the honourable member said, I would | :13:23. | :13:26. | |
agree in terms of any consultations with people. People must be able to | :13:27. | :13:32. | |
interact with expats are people who understand the documents and can | :13:33. | :13:38. | |
explain them in an impartial way. Some people have difficultly reading | :13:39. | :13:44. | |
maps online or in hard copy. It is very important people can access | :13:45. | :13:46. | |
that information and understand that. So certainly out of the | :13:47. | :13:50. | |
Government to make sure any consultations do allow people to | :13:51. | :13:54. | |
have full access to understand that information. I would also like to | :13:55. | :13:59. | |
ask the Leader of the House, the Deputy Leader of the House, has | :14:00. | :14:01. | |
there been any savings identified through this measure? It would seem | :14:02. | :14:09. | |
sensible that they would be savings, but that equally seems to be | :14:10. | :14:12. | |
balanced up with a rather generous offer of giving out IT equipment. I | :14:13. | :14:15. | |
wonder if there has been an assessment made of how much IT | :14:16. | :14:24. | |
equipment will be discussed as well. I have already made a couple of | :14:25. | :14:25. | |
interventions and I am extremely interventions and I am | :14:26. | :14:27. | |
grateful to my very distinguished grateful to my very distinguished | :14:28. | :14:29. | |
and right honourable friend for all the work she has done on phase one, | :14:30. | :14:35. | |
which has set a pattern for what is to be done on the second phase, | :14:36. | :14:41. | |
which so directly and detrimentally affects my own constituency. May I | :14:42. | :14:46. | |
make one suggestion? Then I will allow the Minister to reply. It is | :14:47. | :14:50. | |
simply this. Birmingham has been mentioned. As a matter of fact, if | :14:51. | :15:01. | |
you take the line between Birmingham and Crewe, the more central place | :15:02. | :15:03. | |
happens to be Staffordshire. Could she give consideration to using the | :15:04. | :15:10. | |
County Council facilities, which are extremely good, where copying could | :15:11. | :15:13. | |
be done and that sort of thing at a central point, where people from my | :15:14. | :15:16. | |
constituency at both ends of the line would be able to visit with a | :15:17. | :15:21. | |
minimum amount of inconvenience? That is all I need to say for the | :15:22. | :15:29. | |
time being. Madam Deputy Speaker, with the leave of the House, if I | :15:30. | :15:33. | |
may answer some of these points with a limited amount of time available. | :15:34. | :15:39. | |
As far as my right honourable friend... | :15:40. | :15:41. | |
As far as my right honourable The right honourable lady opposite | :15:42. | :15:49. | |
asked what is meant by "Reasonable". A reasonable request means weighing | :15:50. | :15:58. | |
up HS2, the cost of meeting the request, against whether there is a | :15:59. | :16:01. | |
genuine need for the information in the format requested will stop so, | :16:02. | :16:07. | |
reasonable requests, for hard copies, by individuals, will be met. | :16:08. | :16:14. | |
These can be requested from local authorities who will be provided | :16:15. | :16:18. | |
hard copy for inspection or directly from HS2. I am asked by a couple of | :16:19. | :16:21. | |
honourable members about when the bill will be laid. I can simply say | :16:22. | :16:28. | |
soon at this point. All reasonable requests for hard copies of maps, | :16:29. | :16:30. | |
section drawings, by individuals will be met. I can also say that and | :16:31. | :16:40. | |
as to the point raised by my honourable friend that is fired as | :16:41. | :16:47. | |
audio is concerned, we are proactively considering ordeal in | :16:48. | :16:58. | |
Braille and easy read versions. That is for accessibility for all | :16:59. | :17:03. | |
persons. I have noted complaints made about the telephone line and I | :17:04. | :17:09. | |
will look into that matter. I understand it is a London number, | :17:10. | :17:12. | |
jazz of the honourable lady's question about the rate, but I will | :17:13. | :17:22. | |
look into it. The issue is raised about London and whether documents | :17:23. | :17:26. | |
can be stored elsewhere, a tiny number of people requesting this. | :17:27. | :17:30. | |
But we will certainly look into those reasonable requests. Will he | :17:31. | :17:39. | |
give way on that important point? Very briefly. Is it plans to | :17:40. | :17:46. | |
translate this into other languages? I am not aware of any such plans at | :17:47. | :17:51. | |
the moment. We are considering the issue of Braille. I'm so grateful. | :17:52. | :17:59. | |
Can he tell you what the appeal processes if HS2 does not been a | :18:00. | :18:03. | |
request to be reasonable? -- does not deem. It is clear that all | :18:04. | :18:18. | |
reasonable requests will be met. Reasonable requests will be met and | :18:19. | :18:24. | |
certainly further consideration can be given to that in due course. But | :18:25. | :18:30. | |
this is a sensible modernisation of the standing orders, which are | :18:31. | :18:36. | |
frankly 19th-century standing orders which have not undergone radical | :18:37. | :18:40. | |
reform since 1948. I will give way very briefly. Lastly, I know that he | :18:41. | :18:47. | |
had questions put to him, but the question of Stafford and Stafford | :18:48. | :18:50. | |
County Council buildings being the place where people can go would be a | :18:51. | :18:59. | |
very, very convenient point. My right honourable friend, the Leader | :19:00. | :19:02. | |
of the House, is particularly alive to all the concerns raised, | :19:03. | :19:03. | |
including the localities involved including the localities involved | :19:04. | :19:08. | |
and local committees involved. The issue that my right honourable | :19:09. | :19:16. | |
friend raises is that we'll be considered, as far as Stafford is | :19:17. | :19:21. | |
concerned. In the circumstances, I beg to move. The question is motion | :19:22. | :19:27. | |
number three as on the order paper. As many as are of that opinion say | :19:28. | :19:34. | |
aye. On the contrary, no. The ayes have it, the ayes have it. | :19:35. | :19:42. | |
I beg to move that this housed in a ledger. The question is that this | :19:43. | :19:46. | |
House do now adjourn. Thank you Madam Deputy Speaker. I'm | :19:47. | :19:58. | |
delighted to see my honourable friend, the Minister, in this place. | :19:59. | :20:05. | |
I am hopeful that she is in a cooperative mood. As she will be | :20:06. | :20:09. | |
aware, I am raising a very small but, in my opinion and others', | :20:10. | :20:14. | |
important point seeking a small change in the Mental Health Act | :20:15. | :20:19. | |
1983, section 130 six. She will be aware that I have raised this twice | :20:20. | :20:23. | |
previously. First in a Ten Minute Rule Bill in 2014. And I do not | :20:24. | :20:34. | |
proceed with this. There was a whole ongoing Government review. The | :20:35. | :20:39. | |
second occasion was almost exactly one year ago when I raised it in our | :20:40. | :20:44. | |
judgment debate. I was prompted to see the change initially having seen | :20:45. | :20:47. | |
it first hand in the streets of London when I was with a couple of | :20:48. | :20:54. | |
officers, in a response car. The officers, in a response car. The | :20:55. | :21:00. | |
first call was a dashed to in the 14th floor of the Council | :21:01. | :21:06. | |
residential tower block. A mother nervously let officers and she saw | :21:07. | :21:10. | |
her daughter, 22, standing on a window ledge threatening to jump. We | :21:11. | :21:14. | |
quickly established that the doctor had the history of genuine suicide | :21:15. | :21:18. | |
attempts and as the young lady was clearly put out by the uniformed | :21:19. | :21:22. | |
police officers, fortunately, we were joined very prompted by three | :21:23. | :21:28. | |
father officers, to plain clothes. -- two of them were in plain | :21:29. | :21:31. | |
clothes. One was female. She was very strict and persuasive and | :21:32. | :21:35. | |
managed to persuade the young woman to come down off the windowsill, sit | :21:36. | :21:37. | |
on the bed and proper matters through. This made it quite clear, | :21:38. | :21:45. | |
she made it quite clear that she needed psychiatric help. Much effort | :21:46. | :21:49. | |
was put into persuade her is possible to go to a place of safety | :21:50. | :21:57. | |
for psychiatric assistance. This was vehemently refused and when pressed, | :21:58. | :22:00. | |
she struggled to head for the window and jump, yet again. The other four | :22:01. | :22:03. | |
police officers stood on tiptoe those waiting to catch. | :22:04. | :22:10. | |
The question is that this housed in a ledger. -- is that this House | :22:11. | :22:16. | |
should now adjourn. Subtitles will resume | :22:17. | :22:22. | |
on Tuesday In Parliament at 2300. | :22:23. | :22:33. |