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followed, he can and will do, he can
do sort through questions and the | 0:00:00 | 0:00:00 | |
use of the order paper. But he
cannot do it any father just now. | 0:00:00 | 0:00:06 | |
Order. Substantial pressure on time
today. I thought that the house | 0:00:06 | 0:00:19 | |
would want urgently to express
support for the victims of racism, | 0:00:19 | 0:00:22 | |
and bigotry and denounce prevails,
purveyors. To ask the Home Secretary | 0:00:22 | 0:00:34 | |
as she will make a statement on the
activities of Britain First, and | 0:00:34 | 0:00:43 | |
inflammatory statements from the
president of the United States? | 0:00:43 | 0:00:48 | |
Britain First is an extremist
organisation, seeking to divide | 0:00:48 | 0:00:51 | |
communities through the use of
people narratives, spreading lies | 0:00:51 | 0:00:56 | |
and the deputy leader of Britain
First is subject to a pending | 0:00:56 | 0:00:59 | |
criminal trial, accused of
religiously activated through the | 0:00:59 | 0:01:08 | |
posting of online material. British
people overwhelmingly reject the | 0:01:08 | 0:01:12 | |
prejudiced rhetoric of the far
right, the antithesis of the values | 0:01:12 | 0:01:17 | |
that this country represents.
Decency, tolerance, respect. We | 0:01:17 | 0:01:22 | |
stand with them. This is why we
launched the counter extremist | 0:01:22 | 0:01:27 | |
strategy. And why we launched the
action plan just last year. This | 0:01:27 | 0:01:36 | |
government will not tolerate any
groups who spread hate by demonising | 0:01:36 | 0:01:46 | |
others. We have been clearer.
President Donald Trump was wrong to | 0:01:46 | 0:01:53 | |
repost these videos, posted by
Britain First. When we look at the | 0:01:53 | 0:02:01 | |
wider picture, the relationship
between written and America, I know | 0:02:01 | 0:02:05 | |
how valuable the friendship is, as
Home Secretary I can tell the house | 0:02:05 | 0:02:13 | |
that the importance of the
relationship between the countries, | 0:02:13 | 0:02:20 | |
the intelligence between countries,
it is vital. It has undoubtedly | 0:02:20 | 0:02:27 | |
seized British lease. That is the
bigger picture and I would urge | 0:02:27 | 0:02:30 | |
people to remember that. I thank the
Home Secretary for answering. The | 0:02:30 | 0:02:37 | |
last time I raised related matters
with you was when members raised the | 0:02:37 | 0:02:45 | |
opinion that after racist and sexist
behaviour, President Trump should | 0:02:45 | 0:02:50 | |
not address both houses. I thank the
answer. The extraordinary events | 0:02:50 | 0:03:00 | |
underlined by members from across
this house will correct to make this | 0:03:00 | 0:03:04 | |
column about him not coming here,
and the premature author of the | 0:03:04 | 0:03:09 | |
state visit should not go ahead. I
condemn the original content of the | 0:03:09 | 0:03:14 | |
messages, are and anybody espousing
this, online or in person, should be | 0:03:14 | 0:03:26 | |
exposed and dealt with. But we also
have to be clearer. This is the | 0:03:26 | 0:03:31 | |
president of the United States.
Sharing with millions, inflammatory | 0:03:31 | 0:03:36 | |
content, deliberately posted to
stoke up the trip, I convicted | 0:03:36 | 0:03:47 | |
criminal. Representing this
organisation, spreading hatred and | 0:03:47 | 0:03:51 | |
violence in person and online. He is
either a racist, incompetent or | 0:03:51 | 0:03:56 | |
unthinking. | 0:03:56 | 0:04:06 | |
Given the extraordinary events of
the last 24 hours, for correctly | 0:04:14 | 0:04:19 | |
condemning his actions, can she
confirm if the Prime Minister and | 0:04:19 | 0:04:24 | |
President have spoken? Has the
Foreign Secretary who just praised | 0:04:24 | 0:04:29 | |
the President's statements on
Twitter, saying that people related | 0:04:29 | 0:04:33 | |
to them, summoned ambassadors to
express concerns? President Trump's | 0:04:33 | 0:04:41 | |
actions and endorsement, could have
any impact on criminal proceedings | 0:04:41 | 0:04:43 | |
under way? Is the Home Secretary
were that she posted a video | 0:04:43 | 0:04:50 | |
classmate, helping to keep her out
of prison. And can she confirm when | 0:04:50 | 0:04:57 | |
the government will take tough
action, on the social media | 0:04:57 | 0:05:02 | |
companies. We have had no response
from Twitter, typically a | 0:05:02 | 0:05:06 | |
responsible attitude. Let me
conclude by emphasising that I love | 0:05:06 | 0:05:11 | |
America and Americans. My true
grandfather was an American GI who | 0:05:11 | 0:05:17 | |
came here to fight fascism. I have
travelled 25 of the states and it is | 0:05:17 | 0:05:22 | |
a country of people with
extraordinary generosity. But this | 0:05:22 | 0:05:27 | |
president represents none of those
things. In one of his last speeches, | 0:05:27 | 0:05:37 | |
Dwight Eisenhower said then the long
line of history, America knows that | 0:05:37 | 0:05:42 | |
this word, planet ever growing
smaller must avoid becoming a | 0:05:42 | 0:05:50 | |
community of the trip and the
approach Confederation of mutual | 0:05:50 | 0:05:52 | |
trust and respect. As we stand in
the shadow of the words of the | 0:05:52 | 0:05:57 | |
fallen colleague, Jo Cox, I hope we
have more in common. We must take a | 0:05:57 | 0:06:04 | |
stand against hatred from the it
comes, otherwise we slept, slip into | 0:06:04 | 0:06:13 | |
the darkness. Just before I ask the
Home Secretary to respond, on the | 0:06:13 | 0:06:16 | |
basis of processional advice, I
ought to say this. As has just been | 0:06:16 | 0:06:25 | |
referenced by the honourable
gentleman, this is awaiting trial | 0:06:25 | 0:06:31 | |
and I hope that members will be
conscious that while giving vent two | 0:06:31 | 0:06:37 | |
opinions as they should and will do,
the importance of avoiding comments | 0:06:37 | 0:06:40 | |
that could be prejudiced to the
proper conduct of criminal | 0:06:40 | 0:06:44 | |
proceedings. I thank the honourable
gentleman. The Home Secretary. Thank | 0:06:44 | 0:06:53 | |
you for your guidance regarding the
criminal case that has been referred | 0:06:53 | 0:06:56 | |
to. I hope the honourable member
will understand that I will not | 0:06:56 | 0:07:01 | |
reply to that particular element for
those reasons. I thank him for his | 0:07:01 | 0:07:07 | |
wants during the question. I have
those views about America, but I | 0:07:07 | 0:07:12 | |
also love the country, having worked
there for one year. As I said, I am | 0:07:12 | 0:07:19 | |
in awe of the mutual trust that we
have with America. The effort that | 0:07:19 | 0:07:23 | |
they need to work with us. The
values with American people and the | 0:07:23 | 0:07:27 | |
way that the work has been so
important to helping us on | 0:07:27 | 0:07:32 | |
intelligence matters which has
undoubtedly seized British lease. | 0:07:32 | 0:07:39 | |
He was particularly well he had done
about online social media extremism | 0:07:39 | 0:07:43 | |
of various sorts. We have taken it
extremely seriously, which is why I | 0:07:43 | 0:07:49 | |
prescribed national correction, the
first national far right group to be | 0:07:49 | 0:07:54 | |
prescribed in this way as a
terrorist organisation. We are very | 0:07:54 | 0:08:02 | |
careful with identifying what the
merits prescription or not. He may | 0:08:02 | 0:08:05 | |
have a different view, but in the
letter of the Lord that we abide by, | 0:08:05 | 0:08:10 | |
we have to be very clear where
members or activists embark on | 0:08:10 | 0:08:16 | |
actions which are or not legal. We
have to draw that line very | 0:08:16 | 0:08:22 | |
carefully. We have prescribed
national action and we will always | 0:08:22 | 0:08:24 | |
keep under review what other
organisations may be prescribed. He | 0:08:24 | 0:08:30 | |
asked what else we are doing with
online companies to make sure the | 0:08:30 | 0:08:34 | |
Internet is free of dangerous
material and you will no doubt know | 0:08:34 | 0:08:37 | |
that the UK has been leading in this
area. The Prime Minister has called | 0:08:37 | 0:08:42 | |
for more action, we called for more
war in the wake of the terrorists | 0:08:42 | 0:08:47 | |
attacks this year for a global
Internet forum for counterterrorism | 0:08:47 | 0:08:51 | |
which I went to myself in San
Francisco the launch of only some. | 0:08:51 | 0:08:55 | |
Internet companies are taking
action. Twitter now takes down to | 0:08:55 | 0:09:00 | |
95% of illegal material for using
artificial intelligence. The fact | 0:09:00 | 0:09:04 | |
that they are now engaging in
machine learning to get this hate | 0:09:04 | 0:09:08 | |
taken down is an incredibly
important investment and | 0:09:08 | 0:09:11 | |
breakthrough to ensure that more is
taken down. We are not complacent. | 0:09:11 | 0:09:15 | |
There is more that needs to be done
and we will always make sure that we | 0:09:15 | 0:09:20 | |
provide the vital leadership to
provide that it does take place. | 0:09:20 | 0:09:23 | |
Finally she asked about the Prime
Minister. He asked about whether she | 0:09:23 | 0:09:27 | |
had spoken to the president, and I
would just say to that big is the | 0:09:27 | 0:09:31 | |
Prime Minister will always have
regular calls with the president. | 0:09:31 | 0:09:34 | |
She has been explicit in criticising
this tweet and I know that she will | 0:09:34 | 0:09:39 | |
always make sure that she calls it
out where she sees it and that is | 0:09:39 | 0:09:43 | |
what she has done here. The retweet
has been condemned, we can | 0:09:43 | 0:09:54 | |
concentrate by the wrong was done by
the original tweet, can I asked the | 0:09:54 | 0:09:59 | |
Home Secretary that by identifying
and putting down and putting out the | 0:09:59 | 0:10:04 | |
religious trains... | 0:10:04 | 0:10:06 | |
I thank my honourable friend from
the question and it is essential | 0:10:09 | 0:10:12 | |
that we have a fair approach to all
types of extremism. And with a view | 0:10:12 | 0:10:18 | |
to that we always make sure that the
far right extremism is treated just | 0:10:18 | 0:10:25 | |
as harshly as it should be as any
sort of Islamic terrorism. It is | 0:10:25 | 0:10:31 | |
interesting to observe that 25% of
the referrals to the channel | 0:10:31 | 0:10:34 | |
programme, the display programme
following prevent referrals, are in | 0:10:34 | 0:10:38 | |
fact on the far right side. The Home
Secretary will appreciate that on | 0:10:38 | 0:10:47 | |
the side of the House we believe the
United States is our most important | 0:10:47 | 0:10:53 | |
ally. We would anticipate that any
British Government will want to work | 0:10:53 | 0:10:59 | |
closely with the United States on
issues of mutual concern. And we on | 0:10:59 | 0:11:03 | |
the side of the House, thou to know
one in our affection and respect for | 0:11:03 | 0:11:09 | |
the American people. But on the
question of the online activities of | 0:11:09 | 0:11:16 | |
the 41st president, does -- 45th the
Home Secretary except that the fact | 0:11:16 | 0:11:26 | |
that the 45th president chose to
retweet material from Britain First | 0:11:26 | 0:11:38 | |
is not just offensive to people of
Muslim heritage, it is not just | 0:11:38 | 0:11:43 | |
offensive to British people of black
and minority ethnic heritage, it is | 0:11:43 | 0:11:48 | |
offensive to all decent British
people will stop it is also an | 0:11:48 | 0:11:54 | |
attack on the values of this
country. So whilst on the side of | 0:11:54 | 0:12:00 | |
the House we appreciate the
importance of real politic, we would | 0:12:00 | 0:12:08 | |
also call on the Government to make
clear that in no way, and at no | 0:12:08 | 0:12:16 | |
time, does it give any support
whatsoever to the distasteful views | 0:12:16 | 0:12:22 | |
of the 45th president on race and
migration and our Muslim communities | 0:12:22 | 0:12:30 | |
internationally. Because to do
anything else would be a front to | 0:12:30 | 0:12:36 | |
voters in this country whichever
side of the House they support. I | 0:12:36 | 0:12:45 | |
thank the Right honourable lady for
her powerful response. And I think | 0:12:45 | 0:12:50 | |
that it is fair to say that we have
been very clear. President Donald | 0:12:50 | 0:12:57 | |
Trump was wrong to retweet videos
posted by the far right group | 0:12:57 | 0:13:03 | |
Britain First. We have said so
clearly in this House and the Prime | 0:13:03 | 0:13:06 | |
Minister has said so clearly online.
We will continue to speak freely and | 0:13:06 | 0:13:11 | |
frankly when it takes place. I think
the whole house will agree with the | 0:13:11 | 0:13:20 | |
Prime Minister's words. One of the
advantages of having such a special | 0:13:20 | 0:13:26 | |
relationship with the United States
is that when a friend tells you you | 0:13:26 | 0:13:29 | |
done something dreadfully wrong, you
tend to listen. And when the world | 0:13:29 | 0:13:33 | |
be a better place if the Prime
Minister could persuade the | 0:13:33 | 0:13:37 | |
President of the United States to
delete his Twitter account? My | 0:13:37 | 0:13:45 | |
honourable friend makes an important
point. It is true, I think we all | 0:13:45 | 0:13:49 | |
listen more carefully perhaps to
criticism from our friends than from | 0:13:49 | 0:13:53 | |
people we don't have a relationship
with. So I hope the prime Minster's | 0:13:53 | 0:13:58 | |
comments will have some impact on
the president and it is interesting | 0:13:58 | 0:14:05 | |
to note my honourable friend advice
regarding Twitter accounts, I'm sure | 0:14:05 | 0:14:07 | |
many of this share his view. On
these benches we have long taken the | 0:14:07 | 0:14:14 | |
view that the current President of
the United States should not be | 0:14:14 | 0:14:17 | |
afforded a state visit to the United
Kingdom and yesterday's actions have | 0:14:17 | 0:14:21 | |
reinforced that absolutely. We
respect absolutely the office of the | 0:14:21 | 0:14:25 | |
United States as a fantastic country
and ally, however the sharing of | 0:14:25 | 0:14:28 | |
tweets by a offensive organisation
is not for a high office and it must | 0:14:28 | 0:14:38 | |
be condemned. We call for the
Government to go further. Isn't one | 0:14:38 | 0:14:41 | |
of the key dangers of a state visit
that we have absolutely no idea what | 0:14:41 | 0:14:46 | |
the president will say or tweet next
and before he visits. What does he | 0:14:46 | 0:14:49 | |
actually need to say or tweet before
the idea of a state visit is ditched | 0:14:49 | 0:14:53 | |
once and for all? An invitation for
the visit has been extended and | 0:14:53 | 0:15:02 | |
accepted. But the dates and the
precise arrangements have yet to be | 0:15:02 | 0:15:05 | |
agreed. Local authorities have a key
role in combating extremism. Given | 0:15:05 | 0:15:12 | |
the Home Secretary say what the
Government plans to do further to | 0:15:12 | 0:15:18 | |
support local authorities to ensure
they can undertake this role? Local | 0:15:18 | 0:15:23 | |
authorities do have an important
role to play. We had an active | 0:15:23 | 0:15:28 | |
engagement programme with them
through the prevent programme, which | 0:15:28 | 0:15:32 | |
allows us to support community
organisations who were really | 0:15:32 | 0:15:35 | |
embedded in the local area we can
then go out and engage with local | 0:15:35 | 0:15:40 | |
groups and provide the support to
safeguard people, safeguard | 0:15:40 | 0:15:44 | |
particularly young men and women who
may be becoming radicalised. I think | 0:15:44 | 0:15:48 | |
it is an incredibly important part
of how we look after our communities | 0:15:48 | 0:15:52 | |
in this country and we will continue
to do so. We agree on the importance | 0:15:52 | 0:15:57 | |
of our relationship with the US and
our peoples have stood together | 0:15:57 | 0:16:04 | |
against far right extremism and
against Islamist extremism and will | 0:16:04 | 0:16:08 | |
do so again. That is exactly why we
cannot pander now. Because Britain | 0:16:08 | 0:16:17 | |
First gets its succour from
spreading its poison and extremism | 0:16:17 | 0:16:20 | |
online. That is how works and the
President of the United States has | 0:16:20 | 0:16:24 | |
just given it a rocket boost in
promoting hatred in our communities. | 0:16:24 | 0:16:28 | |
Online is where the new battle for
democracy is being fought. And the | 0:16:28 | 0:16:32 | |
Prime Minister has rightly
challenged Putin's Russia for what | 0:16:32 | 0:16:37 | |
she described as seeking to
weaponise information, to plant fake | 0:16:37 | 0:16:41 | |
stories in an attempt to sow
discord. That means, no matter what | 0:16:41 | 0:16:45 | |
diplomatic route we find to do it,
we cannot simply roll out a red | 0:16:45 | 0:16:50 | |
carpet and give a platform for the
President of the United States to | 0:16:50 | 0:16:54 | |
also soak discord in our
communities. We know he and they | 0:16:54 | 0:17:00 | |
will keep doing this and cheap
spreading extremism and we also know | 0:17:00 | 0:17:03 | |
from the fact finders, and from our
own history, where the spread of | 0:17:03 | 0:17:11 | |
extremism leads and less enough of
us are prepared to stand up now and | 0:17:11 | 0:17:14 | |
say no. We do stand up to extremism.
We stand up to it in our own | 0:17:14 | 0:17:21 | |
communities and we stand up to it as
the Prime Minister has when she | 0:17:21 | 0:17:26 | |
criticised the president for doing
that retweet for which we are here | 0:17:26 | 0:17:29 | |
and discussing it today. In terms of
trying to clean up the online | 0:17:29 | 0:17:33 | |
community, the Honourable lady is
right in saying that is where so | 0:17:33 | 0:17:41 | |
much of the battle takes place. That
is why this Government is focused on | 0:17:41 | 0:17:45 | |
taking it down. And why our
relationship with the US is so | 0:17:45 | 0:17:48 | |
important. When I called for an
Internet Round Table of these | 0:17:48 | 0:17:53 | |
Internet giants after the first
terrorist attack in March, we got | 0:17:53 | 0:17:57 | |
the UK representatives coming. It
was only with the support of the US | 0:17:57 | 0:18:00 | |
that we were able to get the global
Internet forum setup. They are based | 0:18:00 | 0:18:04 | |
in San Francisco. Unable to work at
the highest levels without US | 0:18:04 | 0:18:08 | |
friends in order to get action taken
is the best way to achieve those | 0:18:08 | 0:18:13 | |
outcomes. I would just urge her to
bear that in mind. About a month ago | 0:18:13 | 0:18:19 | |
the most popular man in the world
was a last eight employee of Twitter | 0:18:19 | 0:18:24 | |
who unplugged the account of the
President of the United States. Was | 0:18:24 | 0:18:27 | |
he not right and it Twitter is
genuine in its commitment to fight | 0:18:27 | 0:18:32 | |
hate crime online edition techno
hesitance in taking down the account | 0:18:32 | 0:18:39 | |
of the first Citizen of the US as it
would as any other citizen of the | 0:18:39 | 0:18:43 | |
world that peddle such a crime? I'm
sure the Chief Executive of Twitter | 0:18:43 | 0:18:47 | |
will have heard the interesting
suggestion from my honourable friend | 0:18:47 | 0:18:49 | |
and we will leave it to them to
decide what action to take. I think | 0:18:49 | 0:18:55 | |
it is pretty clear that on the basis
of what we already know about this | 0:18:55 | 0:19:00 | |
fascist president that mere words
are not enough. Action is needed. | 0:19:00 | 0:19:06 | |
Three times she has a ready been
asked by three people on the side of | 0:19:06 | 0:19:10 | |
the House to cancel the state visit.
Action is needed now, not a slap on | 0:19:10 | 0:19:16 | |
the wrist! Cancel the state visit! I
thank the honourable gentleman for | 0:19:16 | 0:19:25 | |
his views. I can only repeat what I
said before, that the invitation has | 0:19:25 | 0:19:30 | |
been extended and accented and we
have yet to make the arrangements. | 0:19:30 | 0:19:34 | |
But thank you for your views. Is it
irony that the President of the | 0:19:34 | 0:19:41 | |
United States loves Twitter who
talks about fake news actually | 0:19:41 | 0:19:44 | |
retweeted fake news. But the danger,
the real danger, is that the vast | 0:19:44 | 0:19:49 | |
majority of our constituents have
never heard of Britain first and | 0:19:49 | 0:19:52 | |
message given huge oxygen. Shouldn't
we all go back to constituencies and | 0:19:52 | 0:19:56 | |
go to our communities and say no
matter what that their faith is, | 0:19:56 | 0:20:00 | |
what their beliefs are, we are
together as a community and the | 0:20:00 | 0:20:04 | |
president was stupid in what he did.
I thank my honourable friend | 0:20:04 | 0:20:10 | |
anti-racist such an important point
which is we need to reassure our | 0:20:10 | 0:20:15 | |
communities that the sort of hate
that is promoted by Britain First is | 0:20:15 | 0:20:19 | |
alien to us and if we look to the
response, not only to the tragic, | 0:20:19 | 0:20:25 | |
tragic death of Jo Cox, but also to
the terrorist attacks that we had | 0:20:25 | 0:20:30 | |
this year. What we actually saw with
our communities coming together, | 0:20:30 | 0:20:34 | |
refusing to be divided and making
sure that we show that to be the | 0:20:34 | 0:20:39 | |
case around our own neighbourhoods
as well as across the benches of the | 0:20:39 | 0:20:41 | |
House. How would she respond if
similar tweets to those made by | 0:20:41 | 0:20:49 | |
President Trump were made by a
Muslim leader promoting hatred? | 0:20:49 | 0:20:54 | |
Would they be allowed into the UK?
The honourable gentleman should not | 0:20:54 | 0:21:03 | |
rush to that conclusion. As I hope
he has heard I have been clear that | 0:21:03 | 0:21:08 | |
we take an evenhanded approach to
individuals and to extremism of any | 0:21:08 | 0:21:14 | |
sort which is why I took the time to
point out the right wing extremism | 0:21:14 | 0:21:21 | |
of the sort that we saw retweeted
and that we saw in natural action, | 0:21:21 | 0:21:25 | |
and why we prescribed it, is just as
hateful and dangerous as any sort of | 0:21:25 | 0:21:31 | |
radical Islamic type. I congratulate
my right honourable friend and the | 0:21:31 | 0:21:39 | |
Prime Minister for their strong
words and strong action in | 0:21:39 | 0:21:41 | |
condemning this evil word teens
spread. Can she looked at | 0:21:41 | 0:21:51 | |
encouraging Internet companies to
ensure that accounts are clearly | 0:21:51 | 0:21:57 | |
identified as individuals but also
the representations that they | 0:21:57 | 0:22:00 | |
represent. There is a risk that this
is a general view of British people | 0:22:00 | 0:22:04 | |
and it clearly is not. We need to
isolate these people for the people | 0:22:04 | 0:22:08 | |
they are. | 0:22:08 | 0:22:14 | |
It is a good point that we must be
careful. We must be careful not to | 0:22:14 | 0:22:19 | |
allow all this conversation about
the hatred and hate filled group to | 0:22:19 | 0:22:24 | |
feel interest in a group which we
want to make sure does not represent | 0:22:24 | 0:22:28 | |
Britain and does not represent our
values and should not in any way be | 0:22:28 | 0:22:32 | |
interpreted as doing so. It is an
interesting point we should all act | 0:22:32 | 0:22:35 | |
on.
Mr Speaker, hatred breeds hatred and | 0:22:35 | 0:22:43 | |
an attack on the Muslim community is
an attack on us all. Not content | 0:22:43 | 0:22:47 | |
with antagonising people in the
state, by giving a platform to | 0:22:47 | 0:22:52 | |
Britain First, a radically racist
and neofascist organisation, Donald | 0:22:52 | 0:22:56 | |
Trump is actively sowing seeds of
hatred in our country. At the time | 0:22:56 | 0:22:59 | |
when hate crimes in our country are
increasing, what action will be Home | 0:22:59 | 0:23:04 | |
Secretary take to mitigate against
this horrific action the president | 0:23:04 | 0:23:09 | |
has taken yesterday?
I would say to the honourable lady, | 0:23:09 | 0:23:14 | |
as she knows that we take all forms
of hate crimes seriously and we | 0:23:14 | 0:23:19 | |
always encourage the communities to
replace them... To report them when | 0:23:19 | 0:23:24 | |
it takes place. I have with Police
and Crime Commissioner 's and Chiefs | 0:23:24 | 0:23:29 | |
of police to ensure reporting does
take place. Critically, we have a | 0:23:29 | 0:23:33 | |
role to make sure that the online
companies do more to make sure it is | 0:23:33 | 0:23:37 | |
taken down and do more to ensure
that the sort of reports we have had | 0:23:37 | 0:23:42 | |
on the big news don't take place,
and do more to help us identify who | 0:23:42 | 0:23:45 | |
has been promoting some of this
hateful information. We are as a | 0:23:45 | 0:23:50 | |
Government on the front foot injury
and we engage with online companies | 0:23:50 | 0:23:57 | |
and show leadership that is expected
and make sure the material is taken | 0:23:57 | 0:24:00 | |
down.
Mr Speaker, we all condemn and feel | 0:24:00 | 0:24:06 | |
disgusted by the hate speech that
has been propagated by Mr Trump and | 0:24:06 | 0:24:11 | |
others. Does she agree with me that
the danger with these organisations | 0:24:11 | 0:24:15 | |
like Britain First is that they
cloak their hatred activities behind | 0:24:15 | 0:24:21 | |
a cloak of fluffiness and will
sometimes talk about Remembrance Day | 0:24:21 | 0:24:25 | |
and they actually do this in a very
insidious way to trick people? I'm | 0:24:25 | 0:24:32 | |
not suggesting this is Donald Trump,
he ought to have known better... But | 0:24:32 | 0:24:35 | |
these are the tactics they use, so
what is she doing with the | 0:24:35 | 0:24:40 | |
Government to really understand and
develop understanding so we can | 0:24:40 | 0:24:42 | |
fight this all the fronts that
affect our communities so | 0:24:42 | 0:24:47 | |
dangerously?
Think my honourable friend rate is | 0:24:47 | 0:24:49 | |
an important point, and she is
correct that sometimes extremist far | 0:24:49 | 0:24:55 | |
right groups do as she says and try
to hijack our national symbols and | 0:24:55 | 0:25:01 | |
our national days of Memorial and
remembrance, and we need to make | 0:25:01 | 0:25:03 | |
sure that we always call that out. I
am saying to my honourable friend | 0:25:03 | 0:25:07 | |
the best we can do is call it out
and make sure that we spread the | 0:25:07 | 0:25:10 | |
alternative story about British
values. | 0:25:10 | 0:25:16 | |
Paul Flynn.
2 million people signed a petition | 0:25:16 | 0:25:20 | |
of outrage when the president was
given an honour that has never been | 0:25:20 | 0:25:27 | |
offered to any other president, a
red-carpet visit to the country in | 0:25:27 | 0:25:32 | |
the first month of his office. Since
then he has dangerously increased | 0:25:32 | 0:25:36 | |
tension in every world conflict he
has addressed. He has disgraced | 0:25:36 | 0:25:43 | |
himself again and again and he
worries us because his impulse of | 0:25:43 | 0:25:47 | |
finger is on the nuclear button. If
he is allowed to come to this | 0:25:47 | 0:25:50 | |
country now, he should be treated as
anyone else who breaks the law and | 0:25:50 | 0:25:54 | |
charged with inciting racial hatred.
The Government should withdraw the | 0:25:54 | 0:26:06 | |
invitation hear, hear.
I would repeat to the honourable | 0:26:06 | 0:26:08 | |
gentleman we have not yet made
arrangements for the visit but | 0:26:08 | 0:26:12 | |
invitation has been extended and has
been accepted. | 0:26:12 | 0:26:18 | |
Politics and Twitter is a toxic mix,
for politicians twitching encourages | 0:26:18 | 0:26:26 | |
the transmission of half formed
ideas instead of listening to | 0:26:26 | 0:26:29 | |
develop arguments of others. It
prompts a culture of instant | 0:26:29 | 0:26:32 | |
reaction as opposed to considered
thought and provokes people to | 0:26:32 | 0:26:36 | |
immediate outrage instead of calling
for reflection. Could my right | 0:26:36 | 0:26:42 | |
honourable friend Topley has helped
politicians taking to Twitter has | 0:26:42 | 0:26:44 | |
led to an improvement in modern
civilisation? | 0:26:44 | 0:26:47 | |
LAUGHTER
Home Secretary. | 0:26:47 | 0:26:51 | |
I think that is a slightly young my
capacity -- that is beyond my | 0:26:51 | 0:26:58 | |
capacity to date. Saying to my
honourable friend, he is right in so | 0:26:58 | 0:27:03 | |
far as I think many of us could
benefit from a bit more considered | 0:27:03 | 0:27:10 | |
thought and pausing in contemplation
before pressing respond or reply to | 0:27:10 | 0:27:13 | |
Twitter attacks.
It is important that the messages of | 0:27:13 | 0:27:19 | |
hatred spread by the president of
the United States are condemned for | 0:27:19 | 0:27:22 | |
the violence they are. I speak on
behalf of my party to urge the | 0:27:22 | 0:27:27 | |
Government to rescind its offer of a
state visit to a president who has | 0:27:27 | 0:27:30 | |
used his global platform to
propagate and intolerance. Could I | 0:27:30 | 0:27:33 | |
ask the Home Secretary to elaborate
on the pressure that will be exerted | 0:27:33 | 0:27:37 | |
on social media platforms like
Twitter to prevent untrue and | 0:27:37 | 0:27:42 | |
poisonous content from permeating
our society? | 0:27:42 | 0:27:45 | |
I thank the honourable gentleman and
I would again repeat that in terms | 0:27:45 | 0:27:48 | |
of the visit from the president, the
invitation has been extended and | 0:27:48 | 0:27:53 | |
accepted, and I would also point out
that as the president of the United | 0:27:53 | 0:28:01 | |
States... We must remember the
United States itself as such an | 0:28:01 | 0:28:04 | |
important relationship with this
country in terms of keeping us safe | 0:28:04 | 0:28:08 | |
as well. So before we rush to making
those changes I would urge all | 0:28:08 | 0:28:12 | |
honourable members to just keep that
in mind, the importance. I also hope | 0:28:12 | 0:28:17 | |
he has heard from me this morning
about how very seriously we take the | 0:28:17 | 0:28:20 | |
issue of making sure that all
illegal and extreme content, that is | 0:28:20 | 0:28:27 | |
illegal, is taking down from Twitter
and other online platforms, and that | 0:28:27 | 0:28:30 | |
they take more of an active role
themselves in making sure that this | 0:28:30 | 0:28:34 | |
material does not stay up.
In a cynical attempt to harness the | 0:28:34 | 0:28:41 | |
Brexit vote in my constituency, the
EDL last year saw to organise a far | 0:28:41 | 0:28:45 | |
right march. Just nine people showed
up but that is named people to many. | 0:28:45 | 0:28:51 | |
Does the Home Secretary agree with
me that there is still work to do to | 0:28:51 | 0:28:56 | |
make sure that well the views of the
EDL and Britain First do not | 0:28:56 | 0:29:00 | |
represent the mainstream of this
country and they are abhorrent, | 0:29:00 | 0:29:02 | |
there is work to do to make sure we
bring forth more of those views to | 0:29:02 | 0:29:11 | |
make sure we can dispute them.
He is correct and they in no way we | 0:29:11 | 0:29:16 | |
present the views of the British
people as he and I and the rest of | 0:29:16 | 0:29:19 | |
the honourable members nonentity.
There is always more work to do. As | 0:29:19 | 0:29:23 | |
he says, even nine are unwelcome,
but as also has been pointed out | 0:29:23 | 0:29:27 | |
several times in the house today,
the real danger of encouraging | 0:29:27 | 0:29:31 | |
activity and extremism is
increasingly online. That is where | 0:29:31 | 0:29:34 | |
we are focusing so much of our
effort to ensure that we don't allow | 0:29:34 | 0:29:38 | |
it to continue.
In her previous role as Home | 0:29:38 | 0:29:45 | |
Secretary the Prime Minister banned
people from entering this country, | 0:29:45 | 0:29:47 | |
individuals who had promoted
organisations paddling hateful | 0:29:47 | 0:29:53 | |
ideology and fascism. This morning
David Duke, grand Wizard of a Ku | 0:29:53 | 0:29:57 | |
Klux Klan, applauded Donald Trump.
The New York Times notes that no | 0:29:57 | 0:30:01 | |
modern American president has
promoted inflammatory content like | 0:30:01 | 0:30:05 | |
this from an extremist organisation.
Not only has the Commander in Tweet | 0:30:05 | 0:30:11 | |
done this but I did it. Publicly
chastised by the British minister, | 0:30:11 | 0:30:16 | |
putting aside the question of eight
state visit, should even be allowed | 0:30:16 | 0:30:21 | |
to enter our country. Unprecedented
actions require unprecedented | 0:30:21 | 0:30:26 | |
response.
I will point out to the honourable | 0:30:26 | 0:30:28 | |
lady the Prime Minister has robust
Lee replied to the president and | 0:30:28 | 0:30:32 | |
made her views absolutely clear. --
she replied in a robust way. In | 0:30:32 | 0:30:38 | |
terms of what the honourable lady is
also proposing, we do not routinely | 0:30:38 | 0:30:44 | |
comment on individual exclusion
cases. | 0:30:44 | 0:30:45 | |
Is the Home Secretary satisfied that
President Trump's paper, not an | 0:30:45 | 0:30:52 | |
isolated and alone, does not
undermine the important security | 0:30:52 | 0:30:55 | |
ankle operation blessing to the
state? And just because somebody | 0:30:55 | 0:30:58 | |
stops using Twitter does not mean
they cease to be a twit. -- it does | 0:30:58 | 0:31:06 | |
not undermine the important security
relationship between the US and the | 0:31:06 | 0:31:11 | |
UK.
It does not undermine how close the | 0:31:11 | 0:31:14 | |
relationship is an matter how people
feel about the president himself, we | 0:31:14 | 0:31:18 | |
must protect our particular
relationship we have with the US, | 0:31:18 | 0:31:20 | |
which does so much of the British
people say. | 0:31:20 | 0:31:25 | |
Chris Bryant.
The Home Secretary is missing | 0:31:25 | 0:31:28 | |
something here. This was not an
accident and was not stupid but | 0:31:28 | 0:31:34 | |
deliberate and intentional. The
evidence is even after the Prime | 0:31:34 | 0:31:37 | |
Minister said he was wrong he
decided to stand by Britain First. I | 0:31:37 | 0:31:42 | |
say to the Home Secretary, it is no
good saying we have been robust. You | 0:31:42 | 0:31:46 | |
have been robust before and it has
not made the blind is the | 0:31:46 | 0:31:49 | |
difference. He is a repeat offender
and it will go on and on. You cannot | 0:31:49 | 0:31:52 | |
stand up to this kind of action that
Mac you cannot stand up to horrible | 0:31:52 | 0:32:01 | |
racism or pretend to do so and
invite the man in through the front | 0:32:01 | 0:32:04 | |
door.
Hear, hear. | 0:32:04 | 0:32:07 | |
In the past the Home Secretary
repeatedly and rightly when she was | 0:32:07 | 0:32:10 | |
Home Secretary, the Prime Minister
said homophobes and races to stir up | 0:32:10 | 0:32:15 | |
hatred in this country will not be
allowed in this country and if they | 0:32:15 | 0:32:18 | |
come here they will be arrested.
That is what should happen in this | 0:32:18 | 0:32:21 | |
case and the Home Secretary knows
it. Just say it. | 0:32:21 | 0:32:25 | |
Hear, hear I would say to the
honourable gentleman, there is no | 0:32:25 | 0:32:31 | |
pretence here and we are absolutely
clear in the action we will take | 0:32:31 | 0:32:34 | |
against people who propagate hate
and he should not underestimate the | 0:32:34 | 0:32:37 | |
Prime Minister's views on this and
the Prime Minister's absolute | 0:32:37 | 0:32:42 | |
clarity and criticising the
president and showing that the | 0:32:42 | 0:32:46 | |
public in her comments to him.
I will not take any criticism for | 0:32:46 | 0:32:50 | |
him on the fact that this side of
the house, this Government is | 0:32:50 | 0:32:54 | |
committed to the agenda of making
sure that we protect people and we | 0:32:54 | 0:32:59 | |
promote British values, and I will
continue to protect apposition from | 0:32:59 | 0:33:01 | |
here.
I thank the Home Secretary for her | 0:33:01 | 0:33:06 | |
very important words this morning,
echoing the Prime Minister. Would | 0:33:06 | 0:33:10 | |
she agree with me that all
politicians and community leaders at | 0:33:10 | 0:33:16 | |
every level and in every community
have a duty to be temperate in their | 0:33:16 | 0:33:21 | |
language, tolerant in their actions,
mindful of their social media | 0:33:21 | 0:33:25 | |
presence? And make sure that the
Home Secretary holds content | 0:33:25 | 0:33:30 | |
platforms to account so that
community cohesion and understanding | 0:33:30 | 0:33:35 | |
is maintained?
Yes, my honourable friend is correct | 0:33:35 | 0:33:40 | |
and the issue of making sure that we
support communities in their genuine | 0:33:40 | 0:33:46 | |
efforts and plans and programmes to
hold together, despite difficulties | 0:33:46 | 0:33:51 | |
that may come through, is incredibly
important. We saw that this year | 0:33:51 | 0:33:55 | |
when, despite the wake of a series
of terrorist attacks, our | 0:33:55 | 0:33:59 | |
communities did hold it together and
many of them went out of their way | 0:33:59 | 0:34:02 | |
to support other faiths and where
other people were criticising them. | 0:34:02 | 0:34:07 | |
That is the British way and those
are our values and what we should be | 0:34:07 | 0:34:10 | |
proud of.
Doctor Lisa Cameron. | 0:34:10 | 0:34:14 | |
We must take a firm stance against
hate speech and ensure future | 0:34:14 | 0:34:20 | |
generations do so. Would become
secretaries speak with colleagues | 0:34:20 | 0:34:24 | |
and consider supporting Holocaust
education in schools so younger | 0:34:24 | 0:34:27 | |
generations can understand the
importance of standing against | 0:34:27 | 0:34:31 | |
discrimination and the grave
consequences of inaction? | 0:34:31 | 0:34:35 | |
A very important point from the
honourable lady and I thank her for | 0:34:35 | 0:34:37 | |
raising it. The Holocaust
educational trust does good and | 0:34:37 | 0:34:41 | |
important work and I know that
because some of my children in my | 0:34:41 | 0:34:45 | |
schools in Hastings and right have
been on those trips and I have been | 0:34:45 | 0:34:48 | |
myself. It is a powerful way of
remembering the terrible things that | 0:34:48 | 0:34:53 | |
happened and how by remembering and
by learning we can make sure they do | 0:34:53 | 0:34:56 | |
not happen again. I support her
point. | 0:34:56 | 0:35:00 | |
Does the Home Secretary share my
astonishment that someone in the | 0:35:00 | 0:35:05 | |
position of the President of the
United States actually finds the | 0:35:05 | 0:35:08 | |
time to be trawling through Twitter,
looking for posts as abhorrent as he | 0:35:08 | 0:35:13 | |
has re-tweeted, does he share my
view that Barker making America | 0:35:13 | 0:35:16 | |
great again, his actions in
retweeting those tweets reflect | 0:35:16 | 0:35:20 | |
badly on his office and undermine
the very principles that the United | 0:35:20 | 0:35:24 | |
States was founded on? -- far from
making America great again. | 0:35:24 | 0:35:30 | |
That is why the Prime Minister was
swift and Bremen her response to his | 0:35:30 | 0:35:33 | |
Tweet.
Thank you. Mr Speaker, when I think | 0:35:33 | 0:35:40 | |
of Muslim children in Newcastle
waking up to find themselves being | 0:35:40 | 0:35:44 | |
attacked by the president of the
most powerful nation on earth, | 0:35:44 | 0:35:48 | |
because that is how it will appear
to them, my heart bleeds. But the | 0:35:48 | 0:35:54 | |
body get president is not
accountable to the children of | 0:35:54 | 0:35:57 | |
Newcastle. -- the 45th president. It
is a busy to them he does hold | 0:35:57 | 0:36:02 | |
themselves accountable but the
social media giants are accountable | 0:36:02 | 0:36:04 | |
to the Home Secretary so what will
the Home Secretary do to demonstrate | 0:36:04 | 0:36:08 | |
that accountability?
The honourable lady might prefer her | 0:36:08 | 0:36:15 | |
friends in the community to the
comment by Mike right honourable | 0:36:15 | 0:36:19 | |
friend the Secretary of State for
Communities and Local Government, | 0:36:19 | 0:36:22 | |
who very much made his comments as a
Muslim, and I think that other | 0:36:22 | 0:36:26 | |
Muslims in this country might take
comfort from that as well. In terms | 0:36:26 | 0:36:30 | |
of what we are doing online, we are
making sure that we provide the | 0:36:30 | 0:36:35 | |
leadership necessary to make as much
of this hate and illegal information | 0:36:35 | 0:36:41 | |
that are sometimes put online taken
down. In order to do that, the | 0:36:41 | 0:36:45 | |
relationship with the US, which is
what is critical for this house to | 0:36:45 | 0:36:50 | |
understand, the relationship with
the US is absolutely critical to | 0:36:50 | 0:36:54 | |
making real progress with the online
companies. They are American | 0:36:54 | 0:36:58 | |
companies and they are based in
Silicon Valley. They are subject to | 0:36:58 | 0:37:03 | |
US law. If going to make real
progress with these internet | 0:37:03 | 0:37:06 | |
companies, we have to do it in close
alliance with our American friends. | 0:37:06 | 0:37:15 | |
And when the Prime Minister has her
next regular conversation with the | 0:37:15 | 0:37:19 | |
United States president, could the
Home Secretary ensure that she | 0:37:19 | 0:37:22 | |
conveys to him that the prevailing
of this kind of hate speech simply | 0:37:22 | 0:37:28 | |
serves the ends of those who wish to
promote hatred in my constituency | 0:37:28 | 0:37:32 | |
and between different communities in
my constituency. And that she also | 0:37:32 | 0:37:38 | |
undertake to ask the Prime Minister
to convey to him that my black, | 0:37:38 | 0:37:45 | |
Muslim, Jewish and other minority
constituents, every time this hate | 0:37:45 | 0:37:50 | |
speech is perpetrated feel more fear
and alienation and suspicion from | 0:37:50 | 0:37:54 | |
others in the community. And that is
why C, the president, will not be | 0:37:54 | 0:37:59 | |
welcome in this country because he
is perpetrating and extending that | 0:37:59 | 0:38:03 | |
hate speech. We are very clear that
the sort of hate that she describes, | 0:38:03 | 0:38:08 | |
the sort of division that has signed
by Britain first for instance is | 0:38:08 | 0:38:14 | |
completely unwelcome here in the UK.
And we will always make sure that we | 0:38:14 | 0:38:18 | |
will take action to call it out. We
also operate in the Home Office to | 0:38:18 | 0:38:24 | |
take down information that can
sometimes get up that should not be | 0:38:24 | 0:38:29 | |
there. We sometimes take down
terrorist content, around 2000 | 0:38:29 | 0:38:34 | |
pieces a week. We are always short
that we have more information out | 0:38:34 | 0:38:39 | |
there to help bind our communities
together, like her, I share that | 0:38:39 | 0:38:43 | |
view and I have the same response in
my own constituency to be absolutely | 0:38:43 | 0:38:48 | |
clear that our communities will pull
together and pour all hate crime and | 0:38:48 | 0:38:54 | |
always say that. May I offer the
Government a way out of the | 0:38:54 | 0:38:57 | |
diplomatic ditch that they are in.
Her Majesty the Queen, because of a | 0:38:57 | 0:39:02 | |
great and very welcome age has been
coming back on her engagements. She | 0:39:02 | 0:39:07 | |
has a royal wedding to look forward
to next year and the birth of a | 0:39:07 | 0:39:12 | |
great grandchild. Don't those facts
alone justify the Government | 0:39:12 | 0:39:16 | |
announcing the postponement of the
state visit by the President of the | 0:39:16 | 0:39:20 | |
United States for at least three
years? I think the honourable | 0:39:20 | 0:39:27 | |
gentleman for his thoughtful advice
to the Royal family. And as I have | 0:39:27 | 0:39:32 | |
said previously, the dates have not
yet been agreed, but thank you for | 0:39:32 | 0:39:36 | |
your advice. I'm very saddened by
what Trump has done, like many | 0:39:36 | 0:39:44 | |
people in our country, I have been a
great friend of America, as a very | 0:39:44 | 0:39:49 | |
young man I emigrated to the United
States and to cherish my green card. | 0:39:49 | 0:39:53 | |
But so many of my American friends
and relatives had said to me over | 0:39:53 | 0:39:58 | |
these last few hours, this man does
not speak for America. This man is | 0:39:58 | 0:40:05 | |
betraying the tradition of the
United States of freedom and liberty | 0:40:05 | 0:40:10 | |
and respecting everyone whatever
their religion or background. | 0:40:10 | 0:40:13 | |
Please, as we negotiate, please stop
this man coming on a state visit | 0:40:13 | 0:40:20 | |
because if he comes there will be
demonstrations of unparalleled in | 0:40:20 | 0:40:25 | |
the past in this country. Please
will she act now before it is too | 0:40:25 | 0:40:28 | |
late. I think the honourable
gentleman for his comments and like | 0:40:28 | 0:40:35 | |
him I am a great admirer of America
and like him I have friends with | 0:40:35 | 0:40:41 | |
different views shall we say, to the
President who are keen to | 0:40:41 | 0:40:46 | |
communicate them to me. As far as
the invitation is concerned, I thank | 0:40:46 | 0:40:50 | |
him for his views, but no date has
been agreed yet. Can I emphasise | 0:40:50 | 0:40:58 | |
that the issues that the President
of the United States has said on | 0:40:58 | 0:41:01 | |
Twitter is not what the American
people and of an sure that most | 0:41:01 | 0:41:05 | |
Americans would be both embarrassed
and abhorred by what the president | 0:41:05 | 0:41:08 | |
has done. The Home Secretary is in
charge of policing in this country, | 0:41:08 | 0:41:12 | |
say this is a very serious and
direct question. Racial and | 0:41:12 | 0:41:16 | |
religious hatred and inciting it is
a crime in this country. Have either | 0:41:16 | 0:41:20 | |
Twitter or the president of the US
committed a crime? Mr Speaker, we | 0:41:20 | 0:41:28 | |
keep all potential crimes of the
type that the honourable gentleman | 0:41:28 | 0:41:32 | |
has referred to under review. I am
not going to comment on individual | 0:41:32 | 0:41:36 | |
cases of the type that he has said.
I am sure that he can conclude | 0:41:36 | 0:41:40 | |
himself of the line between free
speech and criminal activity and I | 0:41:40 | 0:41:46 | |
would think I will leave it at that.
Two years ago I tabled an early day | 0:41:46 | 0:41:54 | |
motion calling for the then
presidential candidate Trump to be | 0:41:54 | 0:41:58 | |
banned from visiting the UK in light
of the extremely divisive comments | 0:41:58 | 0:42:02 | |
he made at that time until he
retracted those comments. With his | 0:42:02 | 0:42:09 | |
tweets yesterday and overnight it is
clear that he has not changed, and | 0:42:09 | 0:42:12 | |
that is the key point. Can the Home
Secretary tell me why it is right | 0:42:12 | 0:42:18 | |
for someone so intent on stirring up
hatred contrary to the values of | 0:42:18 | 0:42:23 | |
this country to be invited to the UK
for an all-expenses-paid state visit | 0:42:23 | 0:42:28 | |
at the expense of the tax payer? Won
and what about the values of the | 0:42:28 | 0:42:35 | |
American people? The American people
of whom he's the president, the | 0:42:35 | 0:42:39 | |
American people he so many members
here on both sides of the had said | 0:42:39 | 0:42:43 | |
them admire. Those are the values
that I admire. Those are the values | 0:42:43 | 0:42:48 | |
that I feel we have so much in
common with. The Home Secretary will | 0:42:48 | 0:42:54 | |
know very well that in this tolerant
country of ours Muslims and | 0:42:54 | 0:43:01 | |
non-Muslims live in peace together
as friends and neighbours and | 0:43:01 | 0:43:04 | |
sometimes as members of the same
families. How do I go back and | 0:43:04 | 0:43:07 | |
explain to my own constituents that
there is a national interest in | 0:43:07 | 0:43:13 | |
inviting somebody who is there to
divide our communities? I would urge | 0:43:13 | 0:43:19 | |
the honourable gentleman to point
out perhaps some of the points that | 0:43:19 | 0:43:22 | |
I've made today in the House about
the way she is the American | 0:43:22 | 0:43:27 | |
president and we have such
admiration and affection for the | 0:43:27 | 0:43:30 | |
American people that we share values
with an insane many different ways. | 0:43:30 | 0:43:34 | |
And that we are so grateful to their
intelligence services and security | 0:43:34 | 0:43:39 | |
services, that with whom we work so
closely, that the closeness of that | 0:43:39 | 0:43:43 | |
work, the trust between this allows
up them to help save British lives | 0:43:43 | 0:43:49 | |
so effectively. That is why we have
such a close and special | 0:43:49 | 0:43:52 | |
relationship with the Americans. Mr
Speaker, taking the charitable view | 0:43:52 | 0:44:02 | |
that the United States doesn't know
the character of this organisation | 0:44:02 | 0:44:06 | |
whose vile utterances he has
endorsed, will she ensure the House | 0:44:06 | 0:44:11 | |
that the Government will make him
well aware of its view of the | 0:44:11 | 0:44:16 | |
character of this organisation and
of its effects so that he has the | 0:44:16 | 0:44:21 | |
opportunity clearly to distance
himself from any association with it | 0:44:21 | 0:44:25 | |
before they can be any question of
him visiting the United Kingdom? It | 0:44:25 | 0:44:31 | |
is certainly our intention to be
absolutely clear that the type of | 0:44:31 | 0:44:36 | |
organisation that he appeared to be
promoting in his retweet is wholly | 0:44:36 | 0:44:40 | |
unwelcome, it is full of hate and we
will continue to call that out. I | 0:44:40 | 0:44:45 | |
think my right honourable friend the
Prime Minister made that clear in | 0:44:45 | 0:44:50 | |
her criticism of him. That we will
not make an opportunity to make that | 0:44:50 | 0:44:55 | |
clear again and we will do so
strongly and family. Back in 2010, | 0:44:55 | 0:45:01 | |
the now Prime Minister as Home
Secretary, banned radical Indian | 0:45:01 | 0:45:06 | |
tele- evangelist preacher for
entering the UK for his repeated | 0:45:06 | 0:45:11 | |
pattern of unacceptable behaviour
and in particular his line, every | 0:45:11 | 0:45:15 | |
Muslim is a terrorist. Eric sacked
workers at the time were, I am not | 0:45:15 | 0:45:18 | |
willing to allow those not conducive
to the public good to enter the UK. | 0:45:18 | 0:45:23 | |
Surely the same applies here to
President Trump and his frequent | 0:45:23 | 0:45:27 | |
Republican outbursts and
particularly that we are in | 0:45:27 | 0:45:32 | |
Islamophobia awareness month
dislodge the other day. The | 0:45:32 | 0:45:35 | |
Government own report was quoted.
That says that trigger events feed | 0:45:35 | 0:45:41 | |
Islamophobia, women with hijabs
being ripped off. Grand as being | 0:45:41 | 0:45:47 | |
murdered, pigs heads being left on
doorsteps. Can I ask that she does | 0:45:47 | 0:45:53 | |
the same as our predecessor, as our
Prime Minister did previously, also | 0:45:53 | 0:45:59 | |
a wrapper that was excluded for his
misogynist lyrics. Can they not | 0:45:59 | 0:46:02 | |
continue this and then this is it
altogether? I thank the honourable | 0:46:02 | 0:46:09 | |
lady particularly for the point
about Islamophobia that we take | 0:46:09 | 0:46:12 | |
incredibly seriously and why it
featured so strongly in the hate | 0:46:12 | 0:46:16 | |
crime action plan that I launch last
year and why we have provided extra | 0:46:16 | 0:46:20 | |
money to make sure that mosques can
be protected. Which is why we | 0:46:20 | 0:46:24 | |
provide additional financial support
in the great work in combating | 0:46:24 | 0:46:32 | |
Islamophobia. We are very serious in
addressing the type of hate crime | 0:46:32 | 0:46:35 | |
that she addressed can be stopped so
we can protect people. The Prime | 0:46:35 | 0:46:41 | |
Minister was absolutely right to ban
the people that she referred to, we | 0:46:41 | 0:46:45 | |
do not comment on individual
exclusion cases, but I will make | 0:46:45 | 0:46:48 | |
sure that we always look very
carefully. My constituents know only | 0:46:48 | 0:46:56 | |
too well where extremism ultimately
leads. And the actions of the | 0:46:56 | 0:46:58 | |
president cannot be set aside as a
mistake. He is a repeat offender as | 0:46:58 | 0:47:05 | |
has already been said. These are his
views. Anybody else holding these | 0:47:05 | 0:47:09 | |
views would not be welcome in this
country. The Home Secretary must see | 0:47:09 | 0:47:14 | |
the double standards that she is
representing here today by saying | 0:47:14 | 0:47:21 | |
that she condemns the actions of the
president but at the same time is | 0:47:21 | 0:47:26 | |
opening her arms with an invitation
to him to come to this country. | 0:47:26 | 0:47:30 | |
Surely, she has to say and send a
clear message, that he's not here. I | 0:47:30 | 0:47:36 | |
don't accept that there are double
standards. What I accept is that we | 0:47:36 | 0:47:40 | |
have been totally consistent in
making sure that we call out hate | 0:47:40 | 0:47:45 | |
crime and we take aggressive action
in order to stop him. Which is why | 0:47:45 | 0:47:49 | |
my right honourable friend the Prime
Minister responded so strongly to | 0:47:49 | 0:47:52 | |
that tweet and white other Cabinet
ministers have also taken action as | 0:47:52 | 0:47:57 | |
well. We will always make sure that
we call it out and we take action in | 0:47:57 | 0:48:01 | |
order to stop the vile hate crime
that can take place. Has anyone in | 0:48:01 | 0:48:10 | |
the UK Government actually asked for
these tweets to be taken down? Mr | 0:48:10 | 0:48:17 | |
Speaker I will have to come back to
the honourable lady on that matter. | 0:48:17 | 0:48:28 | |
Can the Home Secretary provide me
with some guidance about how I | 0:48:28 | 0:48:32 | |
should respond to residents in my
incredibly diverse constituency when | 0:48:32 | 0:48:37 | |
they asked me why our Government is
affording someone with such an | 0:48:37 | 0:48:43 | |
horror and, vile, fascist and
bigoted views, the luxury of a state | 0:48:43 | 0:48:47 | |
visit? And if we don't take action
today, when will we? Can I asked the | 0:48:47 | 0:48:53 | |
honourable lady to refer to
constituents, as I will mind, to the | 0:48:53 | 0:48:57 | |
strong response that the Prime
Minister responded with. Also I | 0:48:57 | 0:49:03 | |
would ask to point out why the
strong relationship the US is so in | 0:49:03 | 0:49:09 | |
her constituents' interest. Tell
them, explain to them, that it is | 0:49:09 | 0:49:15 | |
action that we have shared with the
intelligence services in the US that | 0:49:15 | 0:49:18 | |
helps to keep British people say. We
do not want to jeopardise any of | 0:49:18 | 0:49:21 | |
that. She shakes her head, that this
is an important point in terms of | 0:49:21 | 0:49:29 | |
keeping her constituents say. That
relationship is so critical would | 0:49:29 | 0:49:31 | |
not want to harm it at all. Surely
the robust response required now is | 0:49:31 | 0:49:41 | |
to withdraw that invitation. The
most important action that we can | 0:49:41 | 0:49:47 | |
take to stop the promulgation of the
type of hate crime that has been | 0:49:47 | 0:49:52 | |
promoted by Britain First and is
promoted by other extreme right-wing | 0:49:52 | 0:49:56 | |
groups is to make sure that we work
with major Internet companies to get | 0:49:56 | 0:50:01 | |
more action taken. And this is
exactly the area where the UK has | 0:50:01 | 0:50:06 | |
been leading internationally. It is
the area where the Prime Minister | 0:50:06 | 0:50:09 | |
has been leading at the recent UN
conference. The whole house can rely | 0:50:09 | 0:50:16 | |
on this Government to make sure that
we do that and that they deliver for | 0:50:16 | 0:50:19 | |
us. In thinking the honourable
gentleman from Cardiff for | 0:50:19 | 0:50:28 | |
submitting his urgent question, I
would like to take this opportunity | 0:50:28 | 0:50:31 | |
to thank the Home Secretary and the
Shadow Home Secretary for being | 0:50:31 | 0:50:37 | |
present on this important occasion.
And coupled with that, perhaps I can | 0:50:37 | 0:50:43 | |
express my gratitude to all
colleagues for participating in this | 0:50:43 | 0:50:48 | |
very important set of exchanges.
Just before I called the Shadow | 0:50:48 | 0:50:53 | |
leader for business question, I
would emphasise that there is huge | 0:50:53 | 0:50:58 | |
pressure on time from now on,
because there is an emergency debate | 0:50:58 | 0:51:02 | |
under SA 24 to take place which can
run up to three hours. And two | 0:51:02 | 0:51:07 | |
debates to be conducted under the
auspices of the backbench business | 0:51:07 | 0:51:10 | |
committee. Therefore is a premium
now on short questions and short | 0:51:10 | 0:51:15 | |
answers. Could I ask the Leader of
the House to update the House on the | 0:51:15 | 0:51:21 | |
previously announced business. The
Leader of the House, Andrea Leadsom. | 0:51:21 | 0:51:34 | |
Thank you. The business for the week
commencing the 4th of December, will | 0:51:34 | 0:51:41 | |
include the continuing of the
European Union withdraw build a | 0:51:41 | 0:51:44 | |
four. Opposition Day six, a lot
today, there will be a debate on an | 0:51:44 | 0:51:50 | |
opposition motion is subject to be
announced. Continuation of the | 0:51:50 | 0:51:56 | |
committee European withdrawal Bill
Day five. Thursday the 7th of | 0:51:56 | 0:51:59 | |
December, debate on a motion on
prison reform and safety led by a | 0:51:59 | 0:52:03 | |
general debate on the UK fishing
industry, the subject of these | 0:52:03 | 0:52:07 | |
debates were determined by the
backbench business committee. Friday | 0:52:07 | 0:52:10 | |
the 8th of December the House will
not be sitting. The provisional | 0:52:10 | 0:52:14 | |
business for the week commencing the
11th of December will include Monday | 0:52:14 | 0:52:19 | |
the 11th of December, the second
reading of the Finance Bill. Tuesday | 0:52:19 | 0:52:21 | |
the 12th of December, continuation
committee of the European Union | 0:52:21 | 0:52:26 | |
withdraw | 0:52:26 | 0:52:32 | |
A fantastic.
Wednesday the 13th of December, | 0:52:33 | 0:52:38 | |
continuation of the European Union
Withdrawal Bill debate day seven. | 0:52:38 | 0:52:41 | |
Thursday 14th, debate and a motion
of the quality of pension provision | 0:52:41 | 0:52:45 | |
for women. Followed by debate on a
motion on the hormone pregnancy | 0:52:45 | 0:52:49 | |
tests. The subjects for these
debates were determined by the | 0:52:49 | 0:52:51 | |
backbench is this committee. Friday
15th of December the house will not | 0:52:51 | 0:52:57 | |
be sitting. Provisional business for
the week commencing 18th of December | 0:52:57 | 0:53:01 | |
and will include Monday the 18th of
December consideration committee of | 0:53:01 | 0:53:05 | |
the Finance Bill Day one. Tuesday
19th of December, consideration and | 0:53:05 | 0:53:09 | |
committee of the Finance Bill Day
two. Wednesday the 20th of December, | 0:53:09 | 0:53:14 | |
conclusion of continuation of the
committee of the European Union | 0:53:14 | 0:53:17 | |
Withdrawal Bill day eight. Thursday
the 21st of December, a general | 0:53:17 | 0:53:24 | |
debate on Russian interference in UK
politics and society, followed by a | 0:53:24 | 0:53:30 | |
general debate on matters to be
raised before the forthcoming | 0:53:30 | 0:53:33 | |
adjournment. The subjects of these
debates were determined by the | 0:53:33 | 0:53:36 | |
Backbench Business Committee. Friday
the 22nd of December, a very Merry | 0:53:36 | 0:53:42 | |
Christmas to everybody, Madam Deputy
Speaker. I should also like to | 0:53:42 | 0:53:45 | |
inform the house at the business in
Westminster Hall for December will | 0:53:45 | 0:53:49 | |
include Monday the 4th of December,
a debate on a petition relating to | 0:53:49 | 0:53:54 | |
public sector pay. Thursday the 7th
of December, debate on the women and | 0:53:54 | 0:53:58 | |
equality is committee report on
women in the House of Commons after | 0:53:58 | 0:54:02 | |
the 2020 election, and the
Government response. Monday the 11th | 0:54:02 | 0:54:06 | |
of December, debate and petitions
relating to a referendum on the deal | 0:54:06 | 0:54:11 | |
by the UK's exit from the EU.
Thursday the 14th of December, | 0:54:11 | 0:54:15 | |
debate and the Home Affairs
Committee report on asylum | 0:54:15 | 0:54:21 | |
accommodation and Government
response. Followed on the 19th of | 0:54:21 | 0:54:26 | |
December by a debate on the Northern
Ireland Affairs Committee report on | 0:54:26 | 0:54:29 | |
HM Government support for UK victims
of IRA attacks that use to get | 0:54:29 | 0:54:37 | |
Semtex and weapons and the
Government response. Madam Deputy | 0:54:37 | 0:54:41 | |
Speaker, I am sure the whole house
will want to join me in marking | 0:54:41 | 0:54:46 | |
world AIDS Day which takes place
tomorrow. Significant. Progress has | 0:54:46 | 0:54:53 | |
been made in fighting HIV but we
must continue to end stigma and HIV | 0:54:53 | 0:55:00 | |
transmission and raise awareness
about people living with HIV for | 0:55:00 | 0:55:03 | |
good. Scotland is much loved across
the whole country... | 0:55:03 | 0:55:09 | |
Hear, hear.
Both the UK Government and | 0:55:09 | 0:55:12 | |
Parliament are committed to
championing Scotland and Sunday over | 0:55:12 | 0:55:14 | |
Scottish interests so can take this
to wish everyone, and especially our | 0:55:14 | 0:55:18 | |
friends north of the border, a very
happy Saint Andrews Day? | 0:55:18 | 0:55:24 | |
Hear, hear.
And finally, Madam Deputy Speaker, | 0:55:24 | 0:55:27 | |
can I add my sincere congratulations
to Prince Harry and Meghan Markle | 0:55:27 | 0:55:31 | |
and their engagement and wish them
all the very best for the future? | 0:55:31 | 0:55:35 | |
Thank you.
Shadow Leader of the House. | 0:55:35 | 0:55:40 | |
Can I thank the Leader of the House
for updating the House on the | 0:55:40 | 0:55:44 | |
forthcoming business. Can I ask
whether she is able to say whether | 0:55:44 | 0:55:46 | |
the report stage on the third
reading of the European Union | 0:55:46 | 0:55:49 | |
Withdrawal Bill, when that will be
coming before the house? And could | 0:55:49 | 0:55:52 | |
she say whether she is going to
publish the motion on restoration | 0:55:52 | 0:55:57 | |
and renewal before Christmas? I am
pleased to say the opposition day is | 0:55:57 | 0:56:01 | |
going to be on the subject of
Universal Credit. And I will thank | 0:56:01 | 0:56:08 | |
the speakers for granting a debate
on the Yemen as one of the two | 0:56:08 | 0:56:14 | |
honourable members you have been
born in Yemen, the other one being | 0:56:14 | 0:56:19 | |
the member for Leicester East, we
have happy memories of that country | 0:56:19 | 0:56:22 | |
and one of the abiding memories was
of Father Christmas arriving on a | 0:56:22 | 0:56:29 | |
camel. What the Speaker has done is
to provide a debate, giving the gift | 0:56:29 | 0:56:33 | |
of life and hope to those people
suffering in Yemen. Can I think the | 0:56:33 | 0:56:38 | |
Leader of the House for indicating
that the register of ministers' | 0:56:38 | 0:56:41 | |
interests will be updated shortly
but I am not clear what the word | 0:56:41 | 0:56:44 | |
shortly means, how long? Because the
ministerial code section 7.5 says a | 0:56:44 | 0:56:51 | |
statement covering relevant
ministers' interest will be | 0:56:51 | 0:56:52 | |
published twice a year. It was
honoured in 2016 but we have not | 0:56:52 | 0:56:57 | |
seen anything yet. Could I ask the
Leader of the House, she mentioned | 0:56:57 | 0:57:04 | |
the 22nd, wishing everyone a Merry
Christmas, but could she ensure by | 0:57:04 | 0:57:08 | |
writing to all departments that
there is not a plethora of | 0:57:08 | 0:57:12 | |
statements published on the 21st
because it is difficult to put our | 0:57:12 | 0:57:16 | |
constituents LAUGHTER
Used for return question ministers, | 0:57:16 | 0:57:18 | |
particularly as there isn't urgent
question on forensics services and | 0:57:18 | 0:57:22 | |
the minister says it is a serious
matter. | 0:57:22 | 0:57:26 | |
-- it is difficult to put our
constituents' views forward. | 0:57:26 | 0:57:33 | |
Transparency and accountability are
the watchword of our democracy. | 0:57:33 | 0:57:36 | |
Perhaps the Leader of the House can
explain why there is no general | 0:57:36 | 0:57:40 | |
amendment to the war resolution.
There have only been five occasions | 0:57:40 | 0:57:43 | |
where that has not happened. 1929,
came immediately before a general | 0:57:43 | 0:57:46 | |
election while the others in 74, 97,
2010 on July 2017, that was | 0:57:46 | 0:57:55 | |
immediately after a general
election. Erskine May points out it | 0:57:55 | 0:57:59 | |
is done on occasions and in
particular when it has been | 0:57:59 | 0:58:02 | |
necessary to proceed rapidly with a
Finance Bill. In anticipation of a | 0:58:02 | 0:58:06 | |
dissolution of parliament... Could
the Leader of the House update us as | 0:58:06 | 0:58:10 | |
to whether... What the Government's
thinking was and why there is not a | 0:58:10 | 0:58:15 | |
chance for the opposition of all
sides to put forward our alternative | 0:58:15 | 0:58:20 | |
case? Because we have had listening
chances before, as my honourable | 0:58:20 | 0:58:24 | |
friend the member for Dewsbury found
out when she got an amendment to the | 0:58:24 | 0:58:26 | |
Finance Bill ensuring that the
tampon tax was put through? -- was | 0:58:26 | 0:58:32 | |
not put through. This is about
democracy. The Leader of the House | 0:58:32 | 0:58:40 | |
and I have previously had a debate
about how Parliament is being raped | 0:58:40 | 0:58:45 | |
and the Government have raped
committees and they have a majority | 0:58:45 | 0:58:52 | |
when -- how Parliament is being
rigged and the Government have | 0:58:52 | 0:58:56 | |
rigged committees. And the content
of the house. I know in the streets | 0:58:56 | 0:59:01 | |
of Northampton and bolts people are
not going around chanting, what do | 0:59:01 | 0:59:04 | |
we want, sectoral analysis, when do
we want it, now? They are not. They | 0:59:04 | 0:59:10 | |
have elected as to do that. And we
say that on behalf of of those | 0:59:10 | 0:59:18 | |
constituents who want to see those
sectoral analyses. | 0:59:18 | 0:59:22 | |
The motion was very clear and what
it said was that the documents, the | 0:59:22 | 0:59:28 | |
impact assessments, the sectoral
announcement of those should be | 0:59:28 | 0:59:34 | |
handed to the select committee, not
published but to be looked at and a | 0:59:34 | 0:59:38 | |
private session.
That is done all they can buy select | 0:59:38 | 0:59:40 | |
committees and that is what we want.
How could they possibly have an | 0:59:40 | 0:59:44 | |
inquiry about the evidence? --
without the evidence? If Parliament | 0:59:44 | 0:59:49 | |
is sovereign, the Secretary of State
has to listen to Parliament. Our | 0:59:49 | 0:59:53 | |
sovereign parliament has instructed
him to give up those papers. Madam | 0:59:53 | 0:59:55 | |
Deputy Speaker, there are a number
of anniversaries the Leader of the | 0:59:55 | 1:00:00 | |
House has alluded to, but someday,
as the honourable member for | 1:00:00 | 1:00:03 | |
Battersea reminded us at PMQs is
disability day. I know the Minister | 1:00:03 | 1:00:08 | |
is making a statement after this and
hope we will address the fact that | 1:00:08 | 1:00:11 | |
the governor take the disparity
between mental health and physical | 1:00:11 | 1:00:14 | |
conditions... A constituent of mine
has been penalised in her PIP | 1:00:14 | 1:00:20 | |
assessment while her mother is going
to cancer treatment but she may not | 1:00:20 | 1:00:24 | |
have her PIP because of mental
health conditions. The Leader of the | 1:00:24 | 1:00:27 | |
House ensure there is parity of
esteem in PIP assessments and help | 1:00:27 | 1:00:32 | |
the statement will deal how the
Government is dealing with areas in | 1:00:32 | 1:00:35 | |
the game had yesterday. 75,000
people affected and only 1000 have | 1:00:35 | 1:00:41 | |
been contacted to do with E S A. The
Chancellor's financial statement did | 1:00:41 | 1:00:49 | |
not mention disability or people
with disabilities once. People with | 1:00:49 | 1:00:52 | |
disabilities and their families are
set to lose £5,500 per year by 2022 | 1:00:52 | 1:00:57 | |
because of existing tax and benefit
changes. It was a flat-lining | 1:00:57 | 1:01:01 | |
Government budget from a flat-lining
Government. Madam Deputy Speaker, | 1:01:01 | 1:01:07 | |
tomorrow is world AIDS Day. Diana,
Princess of Wales, did so much to | 1:01:07 | 1:01:13 | |
dispel the myth around AIDS and I
agree with the Leader of the House | 1:01:13 | 1:01:17 | |
that we want to congratulate her
younger son, Prince Harry, and | 1:01:17 | 1:01:21 | |
Meghan Markle on their engagement,
and fitting they have chosen | 1:01:21 | 1:01:23 | |
Nottingham contemporary, a gallery
hosting the Terrence Higgins trust | 1:01:23 | 1:01:28 | |
world AIDS Day charity fair as their
first public event and we wish them | 1:01:28 | 1:01:32 | |
a long and happy life together. As
Prince Harry's grandparents have | 1:01:32 | 1:01:37 | |
celebrated... And we wish Prince
Philip congratulations on his new | 1:01:37 | 1:01:41 | |
honour, as they celebrate there are
70 years. Finally, Madam Deputy | 1:01:41 | 1:01:47 | |
Speaker,, it is St Andrews Day and
we wish everyone called Andrew a | 1:01:47 | 1:01:54 | |
happy Saint Andrews Day, one of the
patron saint of our United Kingdom. | 1:01:54 | 1:02:02 | |
Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker. As
ever, the honourable lady raises a | 1:02:02 | 1:02:06 | |
wide range of interesting and
thought-provoking points. I would | 1:02:06 | 1:02:12 | |
like to first of all say as ever,
the report in the third reading of | 1:02:12 | 1:02:17 | |
the European Union Withdrawal Bill
and the motions on our and our will | 1:02:17 | 1:02:22 | |
be brought forward as soon as
possible and she will appreciate it | 1:02:22 | 1:02:25 | |
is not always possible to get such
our advanced... And last week she | 1:02:25 | 1:02:29 | |
welcomed me announcing the business
up until Christmas and I will always | 1:02:29 | 1:02:32 | |
say I will be as hopeful as possible
to the House, including providing | 1:02:32 | 1:02:36 | |
future information on the a
different part of the business. She | 1:02:36 | 1:02:42 | |
mentions the opposition Day subject
of Universal Credit. On the side of | 1:02:42 | 1:02:45 | |
the house, we welcome all views. We
have had a number of debates on this | 1:02:45 | 1:02:50 | |
subject in recent weeks and my right
honourable friend was pleased to | 1:02:50 | 1:02:53 | |
come to the house to address the
motion that was passed by this house | 1:02:53 | 1:02:57 | |
on Universal Credit, as I had
pledged would be the case, whenever | 1:02:57 | 1:03:00 | |
a motion was passed by this house.
He did fulfil that plate with an 12 | 1:03:00 | 1:03:05 | |
week time frame and I hope that
honourable members did note that and | 1:03:05 | 1:03:09 | |
I look forward to this further
debate. I share with her and | 1:03:09 | 1:03:16 | |
enthusiasm for discussing the plight
of those living in Yemen after such | 1:03:16 | 1:03:20 | |
terrible, terrible times. I think we
look forward to the emergency debate | 1:03:20 | 1:03:23 | |
later on today. I will say to her
again, the register of ministers' | 1:03:23 | 1:03:31 | |
interests, it will be provided as
soon as possible. I can't be | 1:03:31 | 1:03:33 | |
specific but there is a lot of work
to begin to compile and finalise the | 1:03:33 | 1:03:36 | |
report and it will be provided soon
as we can. She asks that statements | 1:03:36 | 1:03:42 | |
be avoided, written ministerial
statements be avoided on the 21st of | 1:03:42 | 1:03:45 | |
December. I would say to her that
obviously members of the Government | 1:03:45 | 1:03:50 | |
can come under criticism for
publishing things, anything outside | 1:03:50 | 1:03:54 | |
of sitting days, but now, of course,
she wants to criticise the | 1:03:54 | 1:03:58 | |
Government for publishing things and
sitting days. I don't think we can | 1:03:58 | 1:04:01 | |
really except that sitting days
should be ring fenced simply because | 1:04:01 | 1:04:05 | |
they are drawing near to the end of
a period of sitting... So I think | 1:04:05 | 1:04:11 | |
she will need to bear in mind that
ministers make great efforts to | 1:04:11 | 1:04:16 | |
ensure that they make announcements
whilst the house is sitting on | 1:04:16 | 1:04:19 | |
giving us the opportunity to look at
that. She asks about the specific | 1:04:19 | 1:04:25 | |
point on the opposition's ability to
perform an alternative case by the | 1:04:25 | 1:04:29 | |
Finance Bill. If I may, I will write
to her on that point and I am | 1:04:29 | 1:04:33 | |
looking into that at the moment. She
suggests that there aren't any | 1:04:33 | 1:04:38 | |
people in her constituency of mine
who are walking about demanding | 1:04:38 | 1:04:43 | |
impact assessments. I think she
underestimates the people of | 1:04:43 | 1:04:47 | |
Northamptonshire and indeed
Oxfordshire. My honourable friend | 1:04:47 | 1:04:51 | |
and my PBS and I are very clear that
our constituents are interested, and | 1:04:51 | 1:04:59 | |
indeed it is the case that the
Secretary of State for exiting the | 1:04:59 | 1:05:03 | |
EU and his ministerial team have
been clear... The analysis was not a | 1:05:03 | 1:05:07 | |
series of impact assessments
examining the impact of EU exit on | 1:05:07 | 1:05:10 | |
the 58 sectors. In fact, in order to
meet the motion of the 1st of | 1:05:10 | 1:05:14 | |
November, we have taken a lot of
time to bring together the sectoral | 1:05:14 | 1:05:19 | |
analyses in a way that is accessible
and informative to the committee. | 1:05:19 | 1:05:23 | |
These analyses are being made
available to all members of the | 1:05:23 | 1:05:26 | |
House of Commons, and the House of
Lords, in a private reading room, | 1:05:26 | 1:05:30 | |
and the Secretary of State for
exiting the EU will be meeting the | 1:05:30 | 1:05:34 | |
select committee next Wednesday the
6th of December. Finally, she raises | 1:05:34 | 1:05:38 | |
the important issue of parity of
esteem for mental and physical | 1:05:38 | 1:05:44 | |
disability. I absolutely share her
determination that we should achieve | 1:05:44 | 1:05:46 | |
that. That is the goal and intention
of this Government, and I am sure | 1:05:46 | 1:05:51 | |
she will welcome, as I do, the fact
that its 2010, spending on | 1:05:51 | 1:05:55 | |
disability has increased by £7
billion. And what this Government is | 1:05:55 | 1:05:59 | |
determined to do is to enable people
with disabilities to have more | 1:05:59 | 1:06:03 | |
control over their lives and to
enable them to seek work that suits | 1:06:03 | 1:06:09 | |
their capabilities, to give them the
chance to improve their own lives as | 1:06:09 | 1:06:12 | |
far as is possible. Thank you, Madam
Deputy Speaker. | 1:06:12 | 1:06:16 | |
Order. The colleagues will have
heard the speech from these bigger | 1:06:16 | 1:06:21 | |
about the pressure on time today. --
what the Speaker said. He indicated | 1:06:21 | 1:06:27 | |
to me that he would like the
emergency debate on Yemen to start | 1:06:27 | 1:06:30 | |
no later than one o'clock. In which
case, I am going to run business | 1:06:30 | 1:06:39 | |
questions until 12:15pm but there is
then another statement, so | 1:06:39 | 1:06:43 | |
colleagues who might prefer to
intervene at a later statement could | 1:06:43 | 1:06:48 | |
perhaps bear that in mind. David
Amis. My right honourable friend | 1:06:48 | 1:06:55 | |
fine temper a debate on boosting
trade between China the kingdom? | 1:06:55 | 1:07:01 | |
Only yesterday, the largest digital
marketing agency in China was | 1:07:01 | 1:07:05 | |
launched at the shard and I am
delighted that they launched it with | 1:07:05 | 1:07:09 | |
a British MD, Richard habits. | 1:07:09 | 1:07:17 | |
Having seen the opportunity from
China for our food and drink | 1:07:18 | 1:07:21 | |
business, I agree. On his specific
point regarding digital marketing, | 1:07:21 | 1:07:24 | |
there are a number of support
agencies that specialise in helping | 1:07:24 | 1:07:28 | |
UK firms to export to and invest in
China. These businesses demonstrate | 1:07:28 | 1:07:32 | |
that exporting to China is within
reach for larger companies, and we | 1:07:32 | 1:07:38 | |
welcome the decision for high link
to open an office in London. Could I | 1:07:38 | 1:07:44 | |
think the Leader of the House for
the business for next week. Can I | 1:07:44 | 1:07:50 | |
also wish everyone a happy St
Andrew's Day. The SNP now join an | 1:07:50 | 1:08:00 | |
exclusive club with all the
opposition parties in which this | 1:08:00 | 1:08:03 | |
Government won't vote against thanks
to the Tory vote refuses, we now | 1:08:03 | 1:08:09 | |
have the unanimous agreement of the
south to tackle injustice. We were | 1:08:09 | 1:08:15 | |
wondering what type of motion might
tempt the Tory voters... Given the | 1:08:15 | 1:08:23 | |
childish nature of the failure to
participate in the democratic | 1:08:23 | 1:08:26 | |
structures of the House, maybe a
motion that this Government smells | 1:08:26 | 1:08:32 | |
might try and preserve the dignity.
This is not going to end well for | 1:08:32 | 1:08:37 | |
this Government. And I know that Mr
Speaker is considering my | 1:08:37 | 1:08:44 | |
correspondence that this may be in
contempt of this House to fully | 1:08:44 | 1:08:48 | |
comply with an earlier binding
motion of this House. I know Mr | 1:08:48 | 1:08:51 | |
Speaker has been typically generous
with this Government that patients | 1:08:51 | 1:08:56 | |
must be running thin. It is either
compliance or contempt and we must | 1:08:56 | 1:09:00 | |
return this House to the position
where this Government votes. This is | 1:09:00 | 1:09:07 | |
a national, sovereign parliament, it
is not a sixth form debating | 1:09:07 | 1:09:09 | |
society. Lastly, the latest piece of
Brexit chaotic cluelessness comes in | 1:09:09 | 1:09:20 | |
a... The total of the UK must now
come close to hundreds of billions | 1:09:20 | 1:09:31 | |
of pounds, that is why we must see
these wrecks that impact | 1:09:31 | 1:09:35 | |
assessments. We need a proper debate
about the true cost of Brexit and we | 1:09:35 | 1:09:39 | |
need to hear if there is any pace
that will make this Government think | 1:09:39 | 1:09:42 | |
again. I am grateful to the
honourable gentleman for his feisty | 1:09:42 | 1:09:49 | |
remarks and I must say to him that I
was going to invite him for some | 1:09:49 | 1:09:54 | |
haggis, neeps and tatties in the
members tearoom after this in the | 1:09:54 | 1:09:58 | |
business question, but I might think
again if he feels this Government | 1:09:58 | 1:10:03 | |
smells. I am not sure that is even
orderly language! But nevertheless, | 1:10:03 | 1:10:07 | |
I'm willing to overlook it. He
mentions these Pacific issue of | 1:10:07 | 1:10:12 | |
pension age for women and of course
he will be aware that this is being | 1:10:12 | 1:10:15 | |
raised on a number of occasions. The
Conservatives in Government had | 1:10:15 | 1:10:19 | |
committed over £1 billion to support
those affected so that nobody will | 1:10:19 | 1:10:24 | |
see their pension age changed by
more than 18 months compared to the | 1:10:24 | 1:10:28 | |
1995 timetable. He will recognise
that the great news that we are all | 1:10:28 | 1:10:32 | |
living longer does mean that
therefore the age at which people | 1:10:32 | 1:10:37 | |
reach their state retirement and
therefore draw their state pension | 1:10:37 | 1:10:39 | |
does need to change with it. We are
trying to seek fairness across men | 1:10:39 | 1:10:44 | |
and women in that regard. He asks
about voting and as I made very | 1:10:44 | 1:10:48 | |
clear in my statement previously,
that we recognise that any motion | 1:10:48 | 1:10:56 | |
that is voted on by the House is
binding on the House, and opposition | 1:10:56 | 1:11:01 | |
Day motions that are voted on and
approved are binding on the House. | 1:11:01 | 1:11:07 | |
However, as Mr Speaker has made
clear, they are not binding on the | 1:11:07 | 1:11:11 | |
Government. And what I have agreed
in recognition in desire of the | 1:11:11 | 1:11:15 | |
House quite rightly, to see what
actions are taken as a result of | 1:11:15 | 1:11:19 | |
motion is approved by this House, is
that a statement will be provided in | 1:11:19 | 1:11:24 | |
respect of any opposition motion
that is passed by the House, with | 1:11:24 | 1:11:27 | |
the minister explaining exactly what
actions have been taken as a result. | 1:11:27 | 1:11:33 | |
My right honourable friend the
Secretary of State for the WP, came | 1:11:33 | 1:11:36 | |
before this House to provide such an
update only this week and there will | 1:11:36 | 1:11:39 | |
be further statement in the near
future. His final statement about | 1:11:39 | 1:11:43 | |
the cost of leaving the EU is one,
as he will know, not one at all that | 1:11:43 | 1:11:47 | |
the Government has said is the case.
It is simply something that is part | 1:11:47 | 1:11:52 | |
of the negotiations. The Government
is committed to seeking the best | 1:11:52 | 1:11:56 | |
possible deal for the United Kingdom
as we leave the EU. The negotiations | 1:11:56 | 1:12:02 | |
are in a positive face. We hope to
see some good, constructive results | 1:12:02 | 1:12:06 | |
from the December Council and we all
await those negotiations with | 1:12:06 | 1:12:09 | |
enormous interest. Can we have a
debate on the importance and value | 1:12:09 | 1:12:20 | |
of further education skills,
especially following the disgraceful | 1:12:20 | 1:12:22 | |
attack yet again by the formal
inspector of schools who told | 1:12:22 | 1:12:28 | |
colleges to get off their backsides.
This is entirely wrong, 70% of our | 1:12:28 | 1:12:34 | |
education colleges are good or
outstanding and he previously | 1:12:34 | 1:12:37 | |
said... It is worth remembering that
Cinderella not only married a prince | 1:12:37 | 1:12:41 | |
but we got to banish the two ugly
sisters of snobbery and intolerance. | 1:12:41 | 1:12:49 | |
My honourable friend is a fantastic
champion for young people getting on | 1:12:49 | 1:12:53 | |
in life and I absolutely share his
enthusiasm for the contribution of | 1:12:53 | 1:12:57 | |
so many excellent colleges. Towards
giving young people the | 1:12:57 | 1:13:01 | |
opportunities they need and deserve.
Thank you to the Leader of the House | 1:13:01 | 1:13:09 | |
for the business statement. Could I
discreetly point out to the | 1:13:09 | 1:13:12 | |
honourable member that having a loan
is contravention of the clean air | 1:13:12 | 1:13:19 | |
act. This afternoon, we have two
important debates scheduled by the | 1:13:19 | 1:13:27 | |
backbench business committee. The
treatment of S M Es by our global | 1:13:27 | 1:13:32 | |
restructuring group and mental
health and suicide within a | 1:13:32 | 1:13:37 | |
community. Due to exceptional
circumstances far beyond the | 1:13:37 | 1:13:40 | |
backbench of these two important
debates this afternoon will be | 1:13:40 | 1:13:46 | |
severely restricted by time. Both
debates will have fewer on-site | 1:13:46 | 1:13:51 | |
public support with constituents
visiting this place to witness their | 1:13:51 | 1:13:54 | |
very real concern is being debated.
Could we now look at a potential | 1:13:54 | 1:13:58 | |
revision of standing orders to
enable some measure to protect time | 1:13:58 | 1:14:02 | |
for such debates for the backbench
business committee in the future? | 1:14:02 | 1:14:08 | |
Our constituents and the
constituents of all backbenchers | 1:14:08 | 1:14:10 | |
deserve that at least. I think the
honourable gentleman raises a very | 1:14:10 | 1:14:16 | |
important point. I think we're all
disappointed to see the constraints | 1:14:16 | 1:14:21 | |
that have arisen through no
individual fault, but just as a | 1:14:21 | 1:14:25 | |
result of circumstances to the two
important debates he mentions. I | 1:14:25 | 1:14:29 | |
will certainly take that away and
look at it. This is an issue where | 1:14:29 | 1:14:35 | |
the Government to make a statement
on how they are going to involve | 1:14:35 | 1:14:38 | |
leaseholders in the discussions on
building high-rise buildings with | 1:14:38 | 1:14:42 | |
cladding. They are having meetings
with the managing agents and others, | 1:14:42 | 1:14:46 | |
but leaseholders who may be isolated
not been brought in, not been | 1:14:46 | 1:14:50 | |
brought together, and would it be
possible for the Leader of the House | 1:14:50 | 1:14:53 | |
to consider asking that department
if they can announce before next | 1:14:53 | 1:14:58 | |
Tuesday how they will get the
leaseholders involved and how they | 1:14:58 | 1:15:00 | |
can talk to each other to have a
united front and share information? | 1:15:00 | 1:15:06 | |
My honourable friend is raising
something that is very important to | 1:15:06 | 1:15:09 | |
all of us. But we ensure the safety
of those who live in high-rise | 1:15:09 | 1:15:14 | |
buildings. If he wants to write to
make or talk to me after business | 1:15:14 | 1:15:17 | |
questions, I will certainly see to
help if I can raise this matter with | 1:15:17 | 1:15:23 | |
the Department. Maher as the Leader
of the House if we can have an | 1:15:23 | 1:15:28 | |
urgent debate into fracking planning
applications. In my constituency the | 1:15:28 | 1:15:34 | |
multinational petrochemical company
has applied to the DC LG secretary | 1:15:34 | 1:15:38 | |
to avoid local democracy by taking
planning decisions out of the local | 1:15:38 | 1:15:43 | |
council hands and giving to the
national planning Inspectorate. I | 1:15:43 | 1:15:46 | |
like to ask the secretary how does
it fit with the Tory manifesto on | 1:15:46 | 1:15:51 | |
the promise to maintain public
confidence in the shale industry and | 1:15:51 | 1:15:55 | |
uphold rigorous environment
protection? The honourable gentleman | 1:15:55 | 1:15:59 | |
might wish to raise that specific
question at DC LG questions on the | 1:15:59 | 1:16:04 | |
4th of December, as he will know
however, the subject of shale gas | 1:16:04 | 1:16:09 | |
exploration is one that has received
a huge amount of attention in this | 1:16:09 | 1:16:14 | |
place. The regulations are very
strong, and it is right that the UK | 1:16:14 | 1:16:18 | |
economy takes the opportunity to
benefit from that transition from | 1:16:18 | 1:16:25 | |
high carbon emitting coal, through
gas, which is lower carbon emitting | 1:16:25 | 1:16:29 | |
to our renewables future that we all
want to see. Can we have a debate on | 1:16:29 | 1:16:36 | |
a weed called floating Penny Watt,
it is a strong contender for the | 1:16:36 | 1:16:43 | |
worst aquatic weed in the UK and it
is affecting large stretches of the | 1:16:43 | 1:16:47 | |
Thames and a debate would sort out
how we can deal with that. I agree | 1:16:47 | 1:16:51 | |
with my honourable friend that this
week is a highly invasive non-native | 1:16:51 | 1:16:56 | |
species of causes a significant
environmental impact. The | 1:16:56 | 1:16:59 | |
Environment Agency has removed
thousands of tonnes of this plant in | 1:16:59 | 1:17:05 | |
part of a coordinated removal and
spraying to hold its growth. My | 1:17:05 | 1:17:08 | |
friend will be leased to know that
efforts have been redoubled to | 1:17:08 | 1:17:13 | |
remove this weed from the Thames and
distributors throughout October and | 1:17:13 | 1:17:17 | |
November and is putting a sprain,
removal and monitoring programme in | 1:17:17 | 1:17:21 | |
place from Spring 2010. -- 2018.
This Saturday I will be taking part | 1:17:21 | 1:17:31 | |
as small business Saturday visiting
businesses on high Street, Christmas | 1:17:31 | 1:17:36 | |
markets and finishing with a chink
in Lewisham. Can we have a debate on | 1:17:36 | 1:17:43 | |
what support the -- drink. ... Two
surviving crew? You are absolutely | 1:17:43 | 1:17:50 | |
right to highlight your own small
businesses in the value to the | 1:17:50 | 1:17:53 | |
economy. This Government not misread
supports businesses and the | 1:17:53 | 1:17:59 | |
contribution they make across the
UK. I'm sure many members will be | 1:17:59 | 1:18:02 | |
doing similar to the honourable lady
and visiting around more businesses | 1:18:02 | 1:18:06 | |
and I encourage them to do so.
Yesterday saw the long-awaited | 1:18:06 | 1:18:13 | |
publication by the Labour Mayor of
London of the draft London plan. | 1:18:13 | 1:18:17 | |
This could lead to the end of back
gardens in suburbia, the abolition | 1:18:17 | 1:18:20 | |
of car parking spaces in all new
developments, and at the same time | 1:18:20 | 1:18:25 | |
not a single new affordable homes is
built under his watch. This will | 1:18:25 | 1:18:30 | |
affect all Londoners. Can we have a
debate in Government time on the | 1:18:30 | 1:18:33 | |
drastic impact that this will have
across London? My honourable friend | 1:18:33 | 1:18:39 | |
is absolutely right to hold the
Labour Mayor of London to account in | 1:18:39 | 1:18:43 | |
the way that he does. And to point
out that we do need thriving | 1:18:43 | 1:18:50 | |
economies. London absolutely needs
much more housing and affordable | 1:18:50 | 1:18:56 | |
housing and greater infrastructure
and unfortunately the men are all | 1:18:56 | 1:18:59 | |
too often criticises central
Government for his own failings. Can | 1:18:59 | 1:19:06 | |
I say to the Leader of the House,
there was absolute astonishment from | 1:19:06 | 1:19:11 | |
MPs across this House and the fact
that the Chancellor in his budget | 1:19:11 | 1:19:14 | |
made no mention of defence and given
the crisis that defence is facing in | 1:19:14 | 1:19:19 | |
this country over the current time,
can I ask the leader to us the | 1:19:19 | 1:19:24 | |
Chancellor to come to this House and
explained how we're going to stop | 1:19:24 | 1:19:28 | |
cuts to our numbers of shoulders,
cutting the number of aircraft, | 1:19:28 | 1:19:31 | |
customer number of marines in order
to defend our country properly -- | 1:19:31 | 1:19:36 | |
soldiers. What I would say to the
honourable gentleman first and | 1:19:36 | 1:19:43 | |
foremost, this Government supports
all of our Armed Forces in our | 1:19:43 | 1:19:46 | |
defence sector to an anonymous
extent. We have committed -- | 1:19:46 | 1:19:52 | |
enormous. 2% of our GDP every year
until 2022. We planned to spend £178 | 1:19:52 | 1:20:01 | |
billion on air equipment time
between 2016-26. And by 2025 we will | 1:20:01 | 1:20:07 | |
have a highly capable expeditionary
force of around 50,000, up from | 1:20:07 | 1:20:11 | |
30,000. What is important however,
is that we do look at the way in | 1:20:11 | 1:20:16 | |
which our defence needs are
changing. And that review is | 1:20:16 | 1:20:21 | |
absolutely vital to the future
security needs of this country. | 1:20:21 | 1:20:28 | |
Earlier this week we had an
excellent statement from the | 1:20:28 | 1:20:33 | |
Business Secretary introducing the
industrial strategy and many strands | 1:20:33 | 1:20:37 | |
of that strategy will be of
particular benefit to constituents | 1:20:37 | 1:20:40 | |
such as mine. Does the Government
have any plans to debate in | 1:20:40 | 1:20:46 | |
Government time to debate the
various aspects of the strategy | 1:20:46 | 1:20:50 | |
particularly the teacher development
which would be of great value in my | 1:20:50 | 1:20:54 | |
area? My honourable friend is a
great champion for his constituency, | 1:20:54 | 1:21:00 | |
and I agree with him that we should
all welcome the industrial strategy | 1:21:00 | 1:21:04 | |
setting out how we are building a
Britain fits the future. How we will | 1:21:04 | 1:21:08 | |
help businesses create better higher
paying jobs with investment from the | 1:21:08 | 1:21:12 | |
skills, industries and
infrastructure that will make | 1:21:12 | 1:21:16 | |
written an enormous success in the
years to come. Only 10% of children | 1:21:16 | 1:21:23 | |
on free school meals in Barnsley
gone to university. Can we have a | 1:21:23 | 1:21:27 | |
debate in Government time about
social mobility in Britain as our | 1:21:27 | 1:21:30 | |
future economic success depends on
all children being able to succeed. | 1:21:30 | 1:21:38 | |
The honourable lady is absolutely
right that children are the future | 1:21:38 | 1:21:41 | |
and we need to do everything we can
to support them to make their lives | 1:21:41 | 1:21:47 | |
better than the generation before
that is our aspiration. I'm sure she | 1:21:47 | 1:21:51 | |
would welcome, as we all do, but
there are 1.8 million more children | 1:21:51 | 1:22:00 | |
in schools... There are or than 3.4
million apprenticeships for young | 1:22:00 | 1:22:04 | |
people since 2010. It is absolutely
vital that we do everything we can | 1:22:04 | 1:22:08 | |
do is what their future as we move
into this enormous industrial change | 1:22:08 | 1:22:12 | |
that gives us the opportunity to
build the industries of the future. | 1:22:12 | 1:22:19 | |
I don't know of the leader of the
House has seen the migration figures | 1:22:19 | 1:22:23 | |
today but they are one third lower
net migration than last year, one | 1:22:23 | 1:22:29 | |
third from before the EU referendum.
Could we have a debate in Government | 1:22:29 | 1:22:34 | |
time on immigration, so that we can
talk about the Government's progress | 1:22:34 | 1:22:38 | |
to tens of thousands, and the fact
that we will be able to reach that | 1:22:38 | 1:22:41 | |
target when they come out from the
EU and end free movement? | 1:22:41 | 1:22:47 | |
My honourable friend is right to
raise the importance of immigration | 1:22:47 | 1:22:51 | |
in this country, both on the one
hand the enormous contribution made | 1:22:51 | 1:22:55 | |
by those who have come here to live
and make their lives here, but also | 1:22:55 | 1:22:59 | |
on the other hand the pressure that
high and uncontrolled immigration | 1:22:59 | 1:23:04 | |
has wrought on some of our public
services. I encourage my honourable | 1:23:04 | 1:23:10 | |
friend to seek a debate in a
Westminster Hall debate so that we | 1:23:10 | 1:23:14 | |
can discuss the relative merits of
uncontrolled versus controlled | 1:23:14 | 1:23:18 | |
migration.
Less than 48 hours ago, the camera | 1:23:18 | 1:23:25 | |
and Hardy company went into
administration, meaning hundreds of | 1:23:25 | 1:23:28 | |
job losses in their constituency
weeks before Christmas. Like a | 1:23:28 | 1:23:34 | |
Dickens novel, workers and when they
arrived for their shift and found | 1:23:34 | 1:23:36 | |
the gates were closed. Despite this,
administrators, PwC, have not | 1:23:36 | 1:23:42 | |
responded to multiple attempts to
contact them. Will she asked the | 1:23:42 | 1:23:46 | |
Business Secretary to intervene to
support me and the union to try to | 1:23:46 | 1:23:51 | |
find out what is going on and what
can be done to help my constituents? | 1:23:51 | 1:23:55 | |
I am very sorry to hear about this
and if he would like to write to me | 1:23:55 | 1:23:59 | |
I would be happy to take this up
with the big areas Business | 1:23:59 | 1:24:07 | |
Secretary.
I recently had the honour of | 1:24:07 | 1:24:10 | |
becoming a patron of a hospice, a
charitably funded hospice that | 1:24:10 | 1:24:14 | |
provides valuable services to my
constituents and produces pressure | 1:24:14 | 1:24:19 | |
on the -- reduces pressure on the
NHS. They have been aware of funding | 1:24:19 | 1:24:23 | |
charges, so can we haven't urgent
debate on the options available for | 1:24:23 | 1:24:27 | |
hospices to make it easier to
provide NHS funding? | 1:24:27 | 1:24:34 | |
Congratulations on his new role.
Hospices around the country | 1:24:34 | 1:24:38 | |
including Cynthia Spencer and
Catherine house, who served my own | 1:24:38 | 1:24:41 | |
constituents so well, deliver
excellent care and contribute to the | 1:24:41 | 1:24:47 | |
well-being of local communities.
Millions of families benefit from | 1:24:47 | 1:24:49 | |
them and I am sure I can speak for
all members when I say how grateful | 1:24:49 | 1:24:53 | |
we are to them. NHS England has
developed a new payment system for | 1:24:53 | 1:24:57 | |
end of life care, which is designed
to be more fair and transparent, and | 1:24:57 | 1:25:02 | |
this will further improve care for
patients. | 1:25:02 | 1:25:07 | |
Gosh, I was not expecting people to
see me. Can we have a debate in | 1:25:07 | 1:25:14 | |
Government time on the postcode
lottery in a cell appears? 28% were | 1:25:14 | 1:25:18 | |
successful in Glasgow compared to
47% in one area in London? | 1:25:18 | 1:25:24 | |
Constituents deserve a free hearing
when they go to asylum tribunal. | 1:25:24 | 1:25:30 | |
I agree with the honourable lady
that all asylum appeals should be | 1:25:30 | 1:25:32 | |
treated with equal importance and
respect. I think if she wanted to | 1:25:32 | 1:25:39 | |
seek an adjournment debate on the
concerns she has in her own | 1:25:39 | 1:25:42 | |
constituency, then that would be
seen very favourably by the Speaker. | 1:25:42 | 1:25:49 | |
Further to the person in question,
my honourable friend for Cleethorpes | 1:25:49 | 1:25:53 | |
as he leaves the chamber, well my
right honourable friend the Leader | 1:25:53 | 1:25:57 | |
of the House grant time for the
importance of improved productivity | 1:25:57 | 1:26:02 | |
for the growth of the economy in the
UK? | 1:26:02 | 1:26:07 | |
I know my honourable friend is a
former teacher himself and a huge | 1:26:07 | 1:26:11 | |
advocate of developing the skills of
young people, and I share his | 1:26:11 | 1:26:16 | |
enthusiasm for our new industrial
strategy that sets out how we will | 1:26:16 | 1:26:19 | |
build a Britain that for the future,
and ready to take advantage of the | 1:26:19 | 1:26:23 | |
extraordinary advances in technology
that can really transform lives for | 1:26:23 | 1:26:26 | |
the better.
Madam Deputy Speaker, the Leader of | 1:26:26 | 1:26:33 | |
the House might remember my first
question back in June to her was | 1:26:33 | 1:26:37 | |
about gun crime and police cuts
after there had been ten such | 1:26:37 | 1:26:41 | |
incidents in my constituency that
month and it has not gone unnoticed. | 1:26:41 | 1:26:44 | |
There was no mention of police cuts
continuing in the budget last week. | 1:26:44 | 1:26:49 | |
More and more of my constituents are
raising fears of crime as one of the | 1:26:49 | 1:26:55 | |
plates on their lives and Merseyside
Police are stretched to the limit, | 1:26:55 | 1:27:01 | |
having lost 1000 police officers and
£100,000 per year are from budget. | 1:27:01 | 1:27:05 | |
The situation is unsustainable and
we need a debate in Government time | 1:27:05 | 1:27:09 | |
and police cuts and the effects of
crime in constituencies. | 1:27:09 | 1:27:14 | |
The honourable gentleman raises a
serious issue and of course we know | 1:27:14 | 1:27:17 | |
that the fear of crime is very wide
spread around the country. However I | 1:27:17 | 1:27:22 | |
am sure he will be pleased to know
that crime is traditionally measured | 1:27:22 | 1:27:26 | |
by an independent crime survey for
England and Wales, and it has fallen | 1:27:26 | 1:27:32 | |
by 9% over the last year, a
continuation of the overall downward | 1:27:32 | 1:27:34 | |
trend. These are not be reassured to
know that we are protecting police | 1:27:34 | 1:27:40 | |
budgets in real terms, and the
proportion of officers in front-line | 1:27:40 | 1:27:45 | |
roles has increased from 2010 2/90
3% now. Are of course individual | 1:27:45 | 1:27:51 | |
issues in particular policing
areas... The officers in front-line | 1:27:51 | 1:27:56 | |
roles has increased from 2010 up to
93% now. | 1:27:56 | 1:28:02 | |
I am sure that like me the Leader of
the House has been inundated with | 1:28:02 | 1:28:06 | |
e-mails regarding animal sentience,
and many constituents have contacted | 1:28:06 | 1:28:10 | |
me bowling any milk from a lobbying
company, and e-mail -- an e-mail | 1:28:10 | 1:28:18 | |
that sadly contained mistruths about
a vote in my house. I requested a | 1:28:18 | 1:28:22 | |
correction but that the leader of
the hazard advised me on how I and | 1:28:22 | 1:28:25 | |
other members of this Parliament can
combat fake news and misinformation | 1:28:25 | 1:28:29 | |
when it is passed on to our
constituents directly from such | 1:28:29 | 1:28:31 | |
sources?
My honourable friend is corrected to | 1:28:31 | 1:28:38 | |
raise this issue. Matters of concern
to the public must always be raised | 1:28:38 | 1:28:42 | |
with us, but groups such as 38
Degrees should not whether | 1:28:42 | 1:28:51 | |
inadvertently or maliciously spread
information that is not true, and | 1:28:51 | 1:28:53 | |
when something is proving to be
untrue, as in this case, it should | 1:28:53 | 1:28:56 | |
be immediately withdrawn or
corrected. We are very aware of the | 1:28:56 | 1:29:00 | |
concerns around fake news and as
part of our manifesto commitment, | 1:29:00 | 1:29:04 | |
work is underway through the Digital
charter to make sure high-quality | 1:29:04 | 1:29:08 | |
news online has a sustainable
future, and that we have a news | 1:29:08 | 1:29:11 | |
environment that is accurate.
The Leader of the House will be | 1:29:11 | 1:29:20 | |
aware that over the last weeks I
have made speeches about the impact | 1:29:20 | 1:29:22 | |
I faced with bullying in school.
Since is because I had been | 1:29:22 | 1:29:26 | |
inundated by adults and children
currently in school saying they are | 1:29:26 | 1:29:30 | |
under constant attack through cyber
bullying. Could Government time be | 1:29:30 | 1:29:34 | |
done for a debate on the impact of
Facebook and Twitter and Instagram | 1:29:34 | 1:29:38 | |
on bullying and the impact it has on
young people's lives and well-being? | 1:29:38 | 1:29:45 | |
Hear, hear.
The gentleman is right to raise this | 1:29:45 | 1:29:49 | |
point. Bullying and cyber bullying
in particular article real scourge | 1:29:49 | 1:29:52 | |
of the moderate lives in particular
for young people. -- any modern life | 1:29:52 | 1:29:57 | |
of young people. I would urgently
seeking Westminster debate on this | 1:29:57 | 1:30:01 | |
and you might be aware that a select
committee investigation will be | 1:30:01 | 1:30:04 | |
looking at this issue and he might
want to respond to that. | 1:30:04 | 1:30:09 | |
Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker. A
great number of companies around the | 1:30:09 | 1:30:12 | |
UK are seeing the value of
installing energy efficiency | 1:30:12 | 1:30:16 | |
measures and clean technology in
their premises. Can the Leader of | 1:30:16 | 1:30:20 | |
the House use their influence with
regard to the refurbishment of this | 1:30:20 | 1:30:22 | |
place to ensure we set the highest
standards for energy efficiency and | 1:30:22 | 1:30:26 | |
the deployment of clean technology
so we can lead by example and reduce | 1:30:26 | 1:30:29 | |
costs and show the very best of
reddish clean technologies for | 1:30:29 | 1:30:35 | |
export around the world?
I absolutely share my friend's | 1:30:35 | 1:30:42 | |
enthusiasm for clean technology and
reducing our carbon footprint, and I | 1:30:42 | 1:30:44 | |
look to the honourable lady, who I
am sure will share in that | 1:30:44 | 1:30:47 | |
enthusiasm, and I can insure my
honourable friend -- I can assure | 1:30:47 | 1:30:53 | |
him we will look at it through this
process as we seek to restore this | 1:30:53 | 1:30:57 | |
beautiful palace, to take the
opportunities to reduce its carbon | 1:30:57 | 1:31:00 | |
footprint.
Can we have a debate on the state, | 1:31:00 | 1:31:07 | |
or the Leader of the House having
worked with the secretary regarding | 1:31:07 | 1:31:14 | |
the pensions, and why has the HSBC
Midland bank in the pension | 1:31:14 | 1:31:24 | |
scheme... Club that reduces the
bank's pension conservation when | 1:31:24 | 1:31:28 | |
basic state pension becomes
available. This means many staff are | 1:31:28 | 1:31:31 | |
denied the opportunity to make
additional financial plans for their | 1:31:31 | 1:31:35 | |
retirement. Other banks have not
applied or have since withdrawn this | 1:31:35 | 1:31:38 | |
scheme and will she do all she can
to help us with this claw-back HSBC | 1:31:38 | 1:31:43 | |
issue?
This matter was raised before in | 1:31:43 | 1:31:48 | |
this this question and I had a
couple of constituents contact me. I | 1:31:48 | 1:31:52 | |
think this is our concern and it
does need to be looked into and I do | 1:31:52 | 1:31:56 | |
encourage the honourable gentleman
to seek an adjournment debate. | 1:31:56 | 1:31:59 | |
Stephen Kerr.
Can I thank the Leader of the House | 1:31:59 | 1:32:05 | |
Mac for her sake and restate
greeting and I wonder whether her | 1:32:05 | 1:32:09 | |
offer of haggis, tatties and needs a
place to her Scottish Conservative | 1:32:09 | 1:32:13 | |
colleagues? The gulf between the tax
paid by Scott and the tax paid by | 1:32:13 | 1:32:17 | |
people in the rest of the UK looks
set to widen further when the | 1:32:17 | 1:32:20 | |
Scottish Government and elder budget
plans on the 14th of December. Will | 1:32:20 | 1:32:24 | |
my right honourable friend find time
for a debate on the hugely damaging | 1:32:24 | 1:32:29 | |
consequences of such a tax hike for
Scotland? After last week's budget, | 1:32:29 | 1:32:34 | |
the Scottish Government will lose £2
billion of the next year so the | 1:32:34 | 1:32:39 | |
Scottish Government must explain why
they think raising income taxes | 1:32:39 | 1:32:41 | |
justified.
That is some new is right there. | 1:32:41 | 1:32:49 | |
Can I say to my honourable friend I
am delighted to meet him and other | 1:32:49 | 1:32:53 | |
honourable friend the Scottish
Members of Parliament... -- that is | 1:32:53 | 1:32:57 | |
fake news.
Income tax powers were an important | 1:32:57 | 1:33:02 | |
part of the Smith commission
recommendations and we had evolved | 1:33:02 | 1:33:07 | |
to the Scotland at the Scottish
Government chooses to use them is a | 1:33:07 | 1:33:10 | |
decision for them but I agree with
my honourable friend that I don't | 1:33:10 | 1:33:13 | |
see either how making Scotland the
highest highest taxed part of the UK | 1:33:13 | 1:33:17 | |
can be the right thing to do. I
cannot see why the SNP would choose | 1:33:17 | 1:33:22 | |
to drive growth and talent away.
Let's be clear, income tax is not | 1:33:22 | 1:33:27 | |
the Government's money, it is money
earned by the people of this | 1:33:27 | 1:33:29 | |
country. That is why the
Conservatives in Westminster and in | 1:33:29 | 1:33:35 | |
Holyrood will always stand up for
low taxes. | 1:33:35 | 1:33:41 | |
Speaker...
Fake news. | 1:33:41 | 1:33:43 | |
Will the Leader of the House please
give me an approximate time to wait | 1:33:43 | 1:33:48 | |
for a response from the Prime
Minister about something 111 MPs | 1:33:48 | 1:33:54 | |
have signed regarding international
students in the UK and the important | 1:33:54 | 1:33:57 | |
economic contribution they make,
particularly in our regions come in | 1:33:57 | 1:34:03 | |
regard to the industrial strategy...
How long should one wait for a | 1:34:03 | 1:34:05 | |
response to that kind of a letter
and she believe that is the sort of | 1:34:05 | 1:34:08 | |
thing to apply for a debate on,
giving it is a cross-party support? | 1:34:08 | 1:34:15 | |
Most certainly, if it carries
cross-party support as she suggests, | 1:34:15 | 1:34:19 | |
it is a candidate for Westminster
Hall or backbench business debates. | 1:34:19 | 1:34:22 | |
With regard to the question about
the time it takes for the Prime | 1:34:22 | 1:34:26 | |
Minister to respond, if you would
like to take it up with me by | 1:34:26 | 1:34:29 | |
e-mail, then I can borrow at her
request to the Prime Minister. | 1:34:29 | 1:34:35 | |
Rachel McLean.
May I add my voice to another matter | 1:34:35 | 1:34:38 | |
which also commands cross-party
support which is on the importance | 1:34:38 | 1:34:40 | |
of small businesses and small
business Saturday? I will be | 1:34:40 | 1:34:45 | |
visiting businesses in Redditch and
we had a number of successful ones | 1:34:45 | 1:34:50 | |
including a carpentry business and
another place which has the best | 1:34:50 | 1:34:54 | |
fish and chips. Can she find time
for a debate, Government time, about | 1:34:54 | 1:34:58 | |
the importance of keeping taxes low
and small businesses? | 1:34:58 | 1:35:03 | |
My honourable friend is a great
advocate for her constituency | 1:35:03 | 1:35:06 | |
Redditch in having all this talk of
food is making all hungry. Small | 1:35:06 | 1:35:11 | |
business Saturday is a grassroots
non-commercial campaign that I liked | 1:35:11 | 1:35:17 | |
small business successes, and
encourages consumers to shop local | 1:35:17 | 1:35:20 | |
and support small businesses. This
is something right across this house | 1:35:20 | 1:35:23 | |
we all seek to do.
Can I actually congratulate the | 1:35:23 | 1:35:31 | |
Government on something it has done
this week, and the Scottish | 1:35:31 | 1:35:34 | |
Government, just to make that clear?
That is the change in the nation of | 1:35:34 | 1:35:40 | |
blood for gay and bisexual men, it
has come down from 12 months to | 1:35:40 | 1:35:44 | |
three months. That means that
thousands more gay men can give | 1:35:44 | 1:35:48 | |
blood and could previously. But can
we have a statement on this, because | 1:35:48 | 1:35:51 | |
despite this excellent news, it
doesn't seem to have caught the | 1:35:51 | 1:35:54 | |
attention of the media this week,
and I think we need to discuss how | 1:35:54 | 1:35:58 | |
we can make that news much more wide
than it is, to encourage people to | 1:35:58 | 1:36:02 | |
donate blood.
The honourable gentleman has just | 1:36:02 | 1:36:05 | |
make sure that this will receive
some media attention, and I | 1:36:05 | 1:36:08 | |
congratulate him for doing so. He
raises a valuable and important | 1:36:08 | 1:36:13 | |
contribution to the blood stocks of
this country and I sure there will | 1:36:13 | 1:36:16 | |
be many who were previously unaware
that be connected -- delighted by | 1:36:16 | 1:36:22 | |
the news.
Can I also wish you and the whole | 1:36:22 | 1:36:25 | |
House a happy Saint Andrews Day? And
we have a debate about the excellent | 1:36:25 | 1:36:28 | |
decision by the UK Government to
bypass the failing SNP Scottish | 1:36:28 | 1:36:33 | |
Government for the next roll-out of
broadband? Does my right honourable | 1:36:33 | 1:36:38 | |
friend also share my amusement at
the reaction from Scotland's First | 1:36:38 | 1:36:42 | |
Minister, who has suggested that on
this issue Scottish Conservative MPs | 1:36:42 | 1:36:45 | |
have been misleading, and has even
said that this has been done by the | 1:36:45 | 1:36:51 | |
Scottish media? Does my right
honourable friend agree that Nicola | 1:36:51 | 1:36:54 | |
Sturgeon should stop burying her
head about this issue and actually | 1:36:54 | 1:36:56 | |
start burying some corrections to my
constituents and many across | 1:36:56 | 1:37:01 | |
Scotland about the broadband feeds
they deserve? | 1:37:01 | 1:37:10 | |
My honourable friend's priorities
are always on the right place. I can | 1:37:10 | 1:37:14 | |
tell him that in September 2016 we
announced wave one of the programme | 1:37:14 | 1:37:20 | |
in the six locations across the UK
including Aberdeenshire. In parallel | 1:37:20 | 1:37:26 | |
to this announcement we have written
to local councils seeking | 1:37:26 | 1:37:31 | |
expressions of interest and roll
over 130 responses. My honourable | 1:37:31 | 1:37:34 | |
friend is absolutely right, this is
intended to provide better and | 1:37:34 | 1:37:40 | |
faster broadband roll-out for all
the people of Scotland. When the | 1:37:40 | 1:37:45 | |
science Museum said that Hull could
not have made Johnson's playing for | 1:37:45 | 1:37:55 | |
the city of culture this year and a
local artist worked with Hull a | 1:37:55 | 1:38:00 | |
replica which is now in paragon
station so can we now have a | 1:38:00 | 1:38:04 | |
statement from the Ministry of
Justice, why they have decided that | 1:38:04 | 1:38:08 | |
that plane which means so much to
the city will be moved down the road | 1:38:08 | 1:38:12 | |
to your without asking the artist or
key players and Hull about its | 1:38:12 | 1:38:17 | |
future. Can I first congratulate
Hull for the excellent work they | 1:38:17 | 1:38:25 | |
have done as the current city of
culture, for the amazing | 1:38:25 | 1:38:31 | |
achievement. I understand the local
economy has benefited from over £3 | 1:38:31 | 1:38:37 | |
billion of investment in their role
as the current city of culture. I do | 1:38:37 | 1:38:41 | |
suggest my honourable friend looks
at a Westminster Hall debate to | 1:38:41 | 1:38:46 | |
raise this particular point is what
she wants to discuss with the | 1:38:46 | 1:38:50 | |
minister. We must now move on.
Statement, Secretary of State. Thank | 1:38:50 | 1:39:00 | |
you. With your permission I'd like
to make a statement on the paper | 1:39:00 | 1:39:04 | |
being published today by my
department and the Department of | 1:39:04 | 1:39:09 | |
Health. Good work promotes good
health and enables people to be | 1:39:09 | 1:39:16 | |
economically independent and gives
them more opportunities to fulfil | 1:39:16 | 1:39:19 | |
ambitions in life. A country which
works for everyone needs to ensure | 1:39:19 | 1:39:25 | |
that all who can work under take
meaningful activity has the chance | 1:39:25 | 1:39:28 | |
to do so and that the right
supporters in place to allow all to | 1:39:28 | 1:39:31 | |
live and work throughout their
lives. Our labour market is at its | 1:39:31 | 1:39:35 | |
strongest position for years with
their employment rate at a near | 1:39:35 | 1:39:40 | |
historic high of 75% is and around
600,000 more disabled people in work | 1:39:40 | 1:39:47 | |
than four years ago. Despite that
only around half of disabled people | 1:39:47 | 1:39:52 | |
live and work but many people with
health conditions can and want to | 1:39:52 | 1:39:57 | |
work. This means too many people are
missing the opportunity to develop | 1:39:57 | 1:39:59 | |
their talents and connect with the
world of work and the range of | 1:39:59 | 1:40:04 | |
positive impacts that come from
doing so, including good health and | 1:40:04 | 1:40:09 | |
social outcomes, which is why it is
so important that we act now. With | 1:40:09 | 1:40:14 | |
around one in six working age adults
reporting a disability is clear that | 1:40:14 | 1:40:19 | |
these issues affect the working
lives of millions. The majority of | 1:40:19 | 1:40:22 | |
long-term health conditions are
acquired and in an ageing work place | 1:40:22 | 1:40:31 | |
inclusive workplaces are imperative.
This is as much about preventing | 1:40:31 | 1:40:39 | |
people from falling out of work as
it is about support into work. This | 1:40:39 | 1:40:46 | |
requires a comprehensive and
wide-ranging programme of action. | 1:40:46 | 1:40:49 | |
Last year we published improving
lives, the work place health Green | 1:40:49 | 1:40:57 | |
paper, setting a new approach to
this issue marking the start of a | 1:40:57 | 1:41:01 | |
new era in joint working between the
welfare and health systems. Our 15 | 1:41:01 | 1:41:07 | |
week consultation on the next ten
years of reform sought input from | 1:41:07 | 1:41:11 | |
disabled people and those with
health conditions, their families, | 1:41:11 | 1:41:15 | |
employers and the range of
stakeholders. The consultation was | 1:41:15 | 1:41:20 | |
supported by 166 successful events
and received 6000 responses. Today | 1:41:20 | 1:41:26 | |
we are publishing improving lives,
the future of work health and | 1:41:26 | 1:41:30 | |
disability setting at a responses to
the Green paper consultation and the | 1:41:30 | 1:41:34 | |
next steps we will take to deliver
our vision. Changes in the nature of | 1:41:34 | 1:41:40 | |
work and more flexible working
models benefit a wide range of | 1:41:40 | 1:41:43 | |
people. New advances in technology
offer more opportunities than ever | 1:41:43 | 1:41:51 | |
before, for example, accessible
hardware and software developments | 1:41:51 | 1:41:54 | |
and we technology making it easier
for employers to offer flexibility | 1:41:54 | 1:41:57 | |
and adaptations to the staff. This
small businesses and large employers | 1:41:57 | 1:42:05 | |
and implementing solutions for their
employees and it is for government | 1:42:05 | 1:42:07 | |
to help set the direction and
stimulate good ideas. We know the | 1:42:07 | 1:42:13 | |
barriers are moving into work and
staying in work are different for | 1:42:13 | 1:42:16 | |
each person depending on the nature
of their health condition or | 1:42:16 | 1:42:19 | |
disability. Their aspirations and
individual circumstances. We need to | 1:42:19 | 1:42:26 | |
work directly with people who
experienced these barriers to | 1:42:26 | 1:42:28 | |
identify solutions that will work.
We want to build an approach that is | 1:42:28 | 1:42:33 | |
responsive, caters for every
scenario with the individual at its | 1:42:33 | 1:42:36 | |
heart. The change is needed is not
one government can deliver by its | 1:42:36 | 1:42:42 | |
own. Across the country there are
striking examples of what can be | 1:42:42 | 1:42:47 | |
achieved when employers, charities
and health care professionals work | 1:42:47 | 1:42:50 | |
together locally. Government can
help create the conditions for | 1:42:50 | 1:42:55 | |
success. In the workplace employers
should have confidence to recruit | 1:42:55 | 1:43:00 | |
and retain disabled people and those
with health conditions and create | 1:43:00 | 1:43:04 | |
healthy and inclusive workplaces
were all employees can thrive and | 1:43:04 | 1:43:08 | |
progress. The best employers have
already realised the business | 1:43:08 | 1:43:13 | |
benefits of hiring disabled people
and while there are many examples of | 1:43:13 | 1:43:16 | |
good practice we want to go further.
This command paper responds to what | 1:43:16 | 1:43:22 | |
we have heard in the consultation
and also to the findings of thriving | 1:43:22 | 1:43:28 | |
at work, the Farmer review of mental
health and employers. We will | 1:43:28 | 1:43:33 | |
improve advice and support for
employers of all sizes working in | 1:43:33 | 1:43:36 | |
partnership with them together with
disabled people and other | 1:43:36 | 1:43:40 | |
stakeholders to bring together
information and advice that meets | 1:43:40 | 1:43:43 | |
business needs. We will also make
significant enhancements to the | 1:43:43 | 1:43:48 | |
Access to work scheme including
increasing the capacity of its | 1:43:48 | 1:43:51 | |
mental health support service, to
support a key recommendation of the | 1:43:51 | 1:43:56 | |
Stevenson Farmer review we will
establish a voluntary framework | 1:43:56 | 1:43:59 | |
approach for a large employers to
report on mental health and | 1:43:59 | 1:44:03 | |
disability in the workforce. We are
also preparing a consultation on | 1:44:03 | 1:44:07 | |
changes to statutory sick pay and
will run across government programme | 1:44:07 | 1:44:10 | |
of analysis and research to examine
incentives and that influence | 1:44:10 | 1:44:16 | |
decisions in this area and he will
report back on the preliminary work | 1:44:16 | 1:44:20 | |
next year. We will build on the key
role in the welfare system plays in | 1:44:20 | 1:44:26 | |
supporting disabled people and those
with health conditions to enter work | 1:44:26 | 1:44:30 | |
where possible by developing a more
personalised and tailored approach | 1:44:30 | 1:44:33 | |
to employment support. This we will
continue to learn for example | 1:44:33 | 1:44:39 | |
through voluntary trials to help us
build an effective offer of support | 1:44:39 | 1:44:42 | |
that meets the needs of those in the
support group and we will continue | 1:44:42 | 1:44:46 | |
to improve the assessment process
while building our evidence base | 1:44:46 | 1:44:50 | |
including working with external
stakeholders to take forward reform | 1:44:50 | 1:44:54 | |
of the work capability assessment.
Health care professionals are vital | 1:44:54 | 1:45:00 | |
to supporting disabled people and
those to achieve their employment | 1:45:00 | 1:45:04 | |
potential. We work with and support
health professionals with the tools | 1:45:04 | 1:45:07 | |
and support they need to have
supportive conversations with | 1:45:07 | 1:45:11 | |
patients about work and health. We
are doubling the number of work and | 1:45:11 | 1:45:16 | |
health champions at around £39
million to more than double the | 1:45:16 | 1:45:20 | |
number of employment advisers and
improving access to psychological | 1:45:20 | 1:45:23 | |
and therapy services. We are also
conducting large-scale randomised | 1:45:23 | 1:45:29 | |
controlled trials delivering
employment support in the West | 1:45:29 | 1:45:32 | |
Midlands and Sheffield city region
beginning by March 20 18. Alongside | 1:45:32 | 1:45:39 | |
this, I am also announcing the next
steps for the fit for work service. | 1:45:39 | 1:45:43 | |
Established in December 2014 it
offers general health and work | 1:45:43 | 1:45:49 | |
advice to employees, employers and
GPs through a phone line, up service | 1:45:49 | 1:45:55 | |
and website and it has also provided
occupational health assessments for | 1:45:55 | 1:46:00 | |
employees at the list of long-term
sickness absence through advice on | 1:46:00 | 1:46:03 | |
how they can be supported to return
to work and remain in employment. | 1:46:03 | 1:46:09 | |
Referrals of cases to the service by
employers and GPs have been much | 1:46:09 | 1:46:13 | |
lower than expected. There have been
only 650 referrals per month in | 1:46:13 | 1:46:18 | |
England and Wales compared with the
34,000 forecast. 100 a month in | 1:46:18 | 1:46:26 | |
Scotland can appeared with the
estimated 4200. By contrast use of | 1:46:26 | 1:46:32 | |
the advice line and fit for work
website have exceeded expectations | 1:46:32 | 1:46:36 | |
and I am therefore ending the
contracts for the provision of the | 1:46:36 | 1:46:40 | |
assessment services both in England
and Wales and Scotland while | 1:46:40 | 1:46:44 | |
ensuring continued access to the fit
for work online and phone services. | 1:46:44 | 1:46:48 | |
These will continue to offer general
health and work advice as well as | 1:46:48 | 1:46:52 | |
support on sickness absence. The
government are also announcing the | 1:46:52 | 1:46:58 | |
expert working group on occupational
health champion and drive a | 1:46:58 | 1:47:01 | |
programme of work taking an in-depth
look at the centre. To inform policy | 1:47:01 | 1:47:07 | |
development we have commissioned
research to better understand the | 1:47:07 | 1:47:09 | |
current market supply and delivery
of occupational health provision. | 1:47:09 | 1:47:15 | |
This research will look at local
partnership models to integrate | 1:47:15 | 1:47:18 | |
health and wider support and
reporting 2019. We also take account | 1:47:18 | 1:47:24 | |
the lessons of the fit for work
service as we move forward. Madam | 1:47:24 | 1:47:29 | |
Deputy Speaker, the government is
laying the foundations for a ten | 1:47:29 | 1:47:32 | |
year programme of change. Everyone
has their own part to play for the | 1:47:32 | 1:47:37 | |
society in which all disabled people
and people with long-term health | 1:47:37 | 1:47:39 | |
conditions unable to gain as far as
their talents will take them and I | 1:47:39 | 1:47:45 | |
commend this statement to the House.
Thank you, let me begin by firstly | 1:47:45 | 1:47:54 | |
giving apologies from the Shadow
Secretary of State was unable to be | 1:47:54 | 1:47:57 | |
here today. It is welcome that the
government has finally brought this | 1:47:57 | 1:48:01 | |
statement to the House. We have
waited a year since this programme | 1:48:01 | 1:48:04 | |
was first proposed with the Green
paper published one year ago and the | 1:48:04 | 1:48:11 | |
consultation closing in February.
The work and health programme was | 1:48:11 | 1:48:14 | |
initially supposed to be launched in
autumn this year. Through the course | 1:48:14 | 1:48:18 | |
of this long wait, the government
has dropped the ambition to have the | 1:48:18 | 1:48:24 | |
disability employment gap by 2020.
Sadly the statement published to | 1:48:24 | 1:48:28 | |
date only means the week and
ambition set out in their recent | 1:48:28 | 1:48:31 | |
manifesto, reducing the number of
disabled people they hope to support | 1:48:31 | 1:48:35 | |
into work by up to half a million
compared with the previous games. We | 1:48:35 | 1:48:40 | |
should not be surprised by this
disappointment as throughout the | 1:48:40 | 1:48:43 | |
seven wasted years of austerity,
time and again it is disabled people | 1:48:43 | 1:48:48 | |
who have borne the brunt of the
cuts. The work and health programme | 1:48:48 | 1:48:53 | |
is no different in this regard with
only 130 million a year set aside. A | 1:48:53 | 1:48:59 | |
fraction of the billions spent on
its predecessor, the work programme. | 1:48:59 | 1:49:05 | |
Indeed the local government
Association predict that under the | 1:49:05 | 1:49:08 | |
current levels of funding the
programme can only support 110,000 | 1:49:08 | 1:49:13 | |
claimants annually. The Joseph
Rowntree Foundation unfortunately | 1:49:13 | 1:49:15 | |
more pessimistic estimating around
65,000 would be supported. This is | 1:49:15 | 1:49:22 | |
the reason for the strategy suddenly
needing ten years. They have | 1:49:22 | 1:49:25 | |
promised to have the disability
employment gap by 2020 and now it | 1:49:25 | 1:49:30 | |
seems they promised not to have it
by 2027. The government handed | 1:49:30 | 1:49:36 | |
itself an extended deadline to meet
a weaker target, I am sure very much | 1:49:36 | 1:49:41 | |
familiar to anyone who watched the
budget last week. Due to the | 1:49:41 | 1:49:45 | |
government's new relaxed approach
the announcement offers little in | 1:49:45 | 1:49:48 | |
the way of commitment and it is
sadly an attempt to kick the issue | 1:49:48 | 1:49:52 | |
back into the long grass with fake
statements and commitment to | 1:49:52 | 1:49:57 | |
continue doing what it is currently
doing. This is this does not go | 1:49:57 | 1:50:02 | |
nearly far enough. There's a wealth
of evidence of what support is | 1:50:02 | 1:50:09 | |
necessary to deliver labour market
outcomes for disabled people. Why is | 1:50:09 | 1:50:13 | |
it that the government needs to do
another round of pilots? We know for | 1:50:13 | 1:50:18 | |
example that access to work is both
popular among those who use it, | 1:50:18 | 1:50:23 | |
focus on the vital issue of
retention for those in work, and | 1:50:23 | 1:50:27 | |
effective in its results. Instead of
expanding the scheme, the direction | 1:50:27 | 1:50:32 | |
of travel from this government has
been to reduce the value of access | 1:50:32 | 1:50:35 | |
to work packages. Will the Secretary
of State can now to expanding the | 1:50:35 | 1:50:41 | |
funding for the programme as part of
the wider work and health initiative | 1:50:41 | 1:50:44 | |
rather than simply saying that it
will look at enhancements. The | 1:50:44 | 1:50:50 | |
evidence has been available for
years. The statement instead praises | 1:50:50 | 1:50:56 | |
the government's existing disability
scheme but no promise of concrete | 1:50:56 | 1:51:01 | |
evidence or reports of the scheme.
Can the Secretary of State confirm | 1:51:01 | 1:51:05 | |
know how many additional disabled
people have found work as a direct | 1:51:05 | 1:51:09 | |
result of the programme? How much
government money has been spent on | 1:51:09 | 1:51:14 | |
disability confidence pair
additional person employed as a | 1:51:14 | 1:51:19 | |
result of this programme? I suspect
he cannot. Once again we see that | 1:51:19 | 1:51:24 | |
this government, talking a good game
but the levelling nothing beyond | 1:51:24 | 1:51:27 | |
warm words. Of course, we welcome
the vague not to be reformed | 1:51:27 | 1:51:33 | |
statutory sick pay. The devil will
surely be in the detail of the | 1:51:33 | 1:51:41 | |
announcement. Yet another
consultation will have to give us | 1:51:41 | 1:51:43 | |
content for the time being. The
government clearly likes to listen, | 1:51:43 | 1:51:49 | |
it is taking action that they find
much more difficult. When will the | 1:51:49 | 1:51:54 | |
Secretary of State bring forward
details of the consultation, | 1:51:54 | 1:51:57 | |
including a timeline for action to
take place? The government proposed | 1:51:57 | 1:52:00 | |
to abolish a report on local
partnerships and better integration | 1:52:00 | 1:52:04 | |
of health. We will have to wait
until 2019, two years and their ten | 1:52:04 | 1:52:12 | |
year strategy and only one year they
are than the Twenty20 deadline for | 1:52:12 | 1:52:17 | |
halving the disability employment
gap. This is not good enough, Madam | 1:52:17 | 1:52:20 | |
Deputy Speaker, you will remember
when the government cut £1500 a year | 1:52:20 | 1:52:25 | |
from disabled people through
slashing the employment support | 1:52:25 | 1:52:29 | |
allowance. This was justified for a
mix this thing work and health | 1:52:29 | 1:52:34 | |
programme and today is clear
evidence they had broken this | 1:52:34 | 1:52:36 | |
promise. I hope those honourable
members on the government benches | 1:52:36 | 1:52:40 | |
will recognise that this is not what
they were promised and they will | 1:52:40 | 1:52:44 | |
work with the Labour Party to try to
demand a stronger programme of | 1:52:44 | 1:52:48 | |
support for disabled people. Should
the government be unable to deliver | 1:52:48 | 1:52:51 | |
this then they should stand aside
and let the Labour Party get on with | 1:52:51 | 1:52:55 | |
the job. | 1:52:55 | 1:53:00 | |
Secretary of state. It is important
that we all seek to remove barriers | 1:53:00 | 1:53:05 | |
to work and to increase
opportunities for disabled people to | 1:53:05 | 1:53:09 | |
get into work. I think that we
should have a constructive debate on | 1:53:09 | 1:53:13 | |
that shared objective, and I will
take that contribution as a | 1:53:13 | 1:53:18 | |
constructive contribution, even
though it did not always sound quite | 1:53:18 | 1:53:20 | |
like it. Can I pick up one or two
points? Specifically on what the | 1:53:20 | 1:53:26 | |
honourable member has said. Let us
be clear, what has actually happened | 1:53:26 | 1:53:32 | |
over the last four years is that the
number of people, disabled people in | 1:53:32 | 1:53:38 | |
work, has increased by 600,000. To
go now from 3.5 million disabled | 1:53:38 | 1:53:44 | |
people in work to 4.5 million people
in work over the course of a decade | 1:53:44 | 1:53:52 | |
is an ambitious objective. It is one
that will require a great deal of | 1:53:52 | 1:53:55 | |
work, and I hope that there can be a
constructive debate in delivering | 1:53:55 | 1:54:01 | |
that. I welcome, I have to say, the
remarks from the Mayor of London | 1:54:01 | 1:54:06 | |
this morning, in the context of the
work and health programme in London | 1:54:06 | 1:54:11 | |
where he recognised what we have
done and it is time to put party | 1:54:11 | 1:54:14 | |
politics aside on this matter. I
hope that can be the spirit where we | 1:54:14 | 1:54:19 | |
can maintain it across the board.
Let us remember what we are already | 1:54:19 | 1:54:25 | |
delivering. The honourable member
refers to access to work, the | 1:54:25 | 1:54:29 | |
expenditure on budget access to work
increased by 8% last year. We have, | 1:54:29 | 1:54:34 | |
in place, a personal support package
helping people where we are spending | 1:54:34 | 1:54:40 | |
£330 million over the course of the
next four years. Let me be clear as | 1:54:40 | 1:54:46 | |
to where we approach this, on this
side of the house. We recognise | 1:54:46 | 1:54:50 | |
there will be some disabled people,
people with health conditions, where | 1:54:50 | 1:54:54 | |
they are not going to be able to
work and we need to continue to | 1:54:54 | 1:54:58 | |
support those people. We spend
record amounts in terms of spending | 1:54:58 | 1:55:03 | |
on benefits for disabled people.
But, there are also very many people | 1:55:03 | 1:55:10 | |
who want to work and we are
determined to do everything we can | 1:55:10 | 1:55:13 | |
to support them, whether that is
using our capabilities of the | 1:55:13 | 1:55:19 | |
welfare system, the health system
working with employers, because we | 1:55:19 | 1:55:22 | |
want to put work at the centre of
this. Work matters. It should be at | 1:55:22 | 1:55:27 | |
the heart of what we are doing in
delivering the welfare system. That | 1:55:27 | 1:55:32 | |
is exactly what this government does
across the board and I can draw | 1:55:32 | 1:55:36 | |
parallels with our debates last week
about Universal Credit, which helps | 1:55:36 | 1:55:43 | |
people into work. That is the
approach that we are delivering and | 1:55:43 | 1:55:46 | |
I hope, at some point, we can have
support from the party opposite in | 1:55:46 | 1:55:51 | |
achieving that objective. Madam
Deputy Speaker, can I welcome this | 1:55:51 | 1:55:56 | |
10-year plan from the Secretary of
State. And say that I am delighted | 1:55:56 | 1:56:02 | |
that he and the Department continue
to focus on this area. He will know | 1:56:02 | 1:56:06 | |
that I have campaigned for many
years to improve the life chances of | 1:56:06 | 1:56:10 | |
people with autism. But, sadly,
still only 16% of adults with autism | 1:56:10 | 1:56:18 | |
are in full-time employment.
Overall, in full and part-time | 1:56:18 | 1:56:22 | |
employment, it's only 32% and it
hasn't really shifted that much in a | 1:56:22 | 1:56:27 | |
decade. Can I pay tribute for the
honourable member for Portsmouth | 1:56:27 | 1:56:30 | |
North, to whom I presented on a
cross-party basis, a petition on the | 1:56:30 | 1:56:37 | |
21st of February, signed by 30,000
people, about the autism employment | 1:56:37 | 1:56:42 | |
gap. Can he give me assurance that
he will continue to focus on the | 1:56:42 | 1:56:46 | |
needs of people with autism and
close that gap once and for all? | 1:56:46 | 1:56:55 | |
Festival, can I thank my right
honourable friend for her question | 1:56:55 | 1:56:57 | |
and paid tribute to the work she
does in respect to her work with | 1:56:57 | 1:57:02 | |
autism, its work she has done for
many years as co-chair of the | 1:57:02 | 1:57:05 | |
all-party autism group, there was a
report on this issue yesterday, we | 1:57:05 | 1:57:12 | |
are looking at the contents of that
report closely. She highlights this | 1:57:12 | 1:57:16 | |
particular issue. It's a challenge.
We made progress across the board | 1:57:16 | 1:57:21 | |
but, is there more to do?
Absolutely. There is. She | 1:57:21 | 1:57:26 | |
particularly highlights the issue
and the context of those with autism | 1:57:26 | 1:57:30 | |
and that is something that we have
two address as a society. Madam | 1:57:30 | 1:57:39 | |
Deputy Speaker, I would like to
thank the Secretary of State. The | 1:57:39 | 1:57:44 | |
SNP are extremely disappointed in
the statement and command paper | 1:57:44 | 1:57:47 | |
produced today. We believe the UK
Government, as a priority, needs to | 1:57:47 | 1:57:52 | |
reverse the cuts made to these
benefits. And scrap fees on benefits | 1:57:52 | 1:57:57 | |
as well. They are harming people.
Mencap released a statement that | 1:57:57 | 1:58:01 | |
says they are alarmed that the needs
of hundreds of thousands of people | 1:58:01 | 1:58:04 | |
with mild or moderate learning
disabilities have been overlooked. | 1:58:04 | 1:58:08 | |
It is the case that the government
seems to have abandoned its pledge | 1:58:08 | 1:58:12 | |
to have the -- have the disability
employment gap, and it's worse for | 1:58:12 | 1:58:20 | |
people with learning disabilities.
The disability benefits Consortium | 1:58:20 | 1:58:23 | |
says that they are extremely
disappointed that there is a focus | 1:58:23 | 1:58:28 | |
on ESE instead of the work
capability assessment. 68% of those | 1:58:28 | 1:58:35 | |
challenging their work capability
results are successful in that | 1:58:35 | 1:58:37 | |
challenge. The system is discredited
and it is broken. We want to see the | 1:58:37 | 1:58:43 | |
UK Government committed to scrapping
UK capability assessment. We want a | 1:58:43 | 1:58:49 | |
new system that puts fairness and
dignity and post-treating disabled | 1:58:49 | 1:58:53 | |
people would respect at the absolute
heart of the system. First, in terms | 1:58:53 | 1:58:59 | |
of her comments on behalf of the
SNP, I know my honourable friend, | 1:58:59 | 1:59:05 | |
the Minister for disabled people,
has spoken to Scottish ministers | 1:59:05 | 1:59:10 | |
today and got a much more
constructive response. I know that | 1:59:10 | 1:59:14 | |
it is the launch of the innovation
fund Dendy Gateway today, and we | 1:59:14 | 1:59:19 | |
look forward to working closely with
the Scottish Government in a | 1:59:19 | 1:59:23 | |
constructive manner. In terms of the
work capability assessment, we have | 1:59:23 | 1:59:28 | |
consulted on this. It is not clear
that there is a consensus that this | 1:59:28 | 1:59:32 | |
point, there's a way in which the
work capability assessment should be | 1:59:32 | 1:59:36 | |
reformed but we acknowledge there
are improvements which should be | 1:59:36 | 1:59:39 | |
made. We have, indeed, made
improvements in work capability | 1:59:39 | 1:59:44 | |
assessments and how they work,
including the fact that those with | 1:59:44 | 1:59:50 | |
severe long-term disabilities will
not be reassessed in the way that | 1:59:50 | 1:59:52 | |
they were previously. So, we
continue to make improvements on | 1:59:52 | 1:59:58 | |
that and if we can reach a consensus
on the work capability assessment | 1:59:58 | 2:00:01 | |
and how it should be reformed, I
would be happy to proceed. Madam | 2:00:01 | 2:00:08 | |
Deputy Speaker, I would strongly
welcomed the statement that the | 2:00:08 | 2:00:11 | |
Secretary of State made this
morning. I would also welcome the | 2:00:11 | 2:00:16 | |
news that the disability employment
rate has risen by nearly 5% since | 2:00:16 | 2:00:21 | |
2014. The government itself is a
major employer of people. The | 2:00:21 | 2:00:28 | |
Secretary of State, tell us, what is
the government doing to ensure the | 2:00:28 | 2:00:31 | |
civil service leads by example?
Royal Rumble friend makes a good | 2:00:31 | 2:00:37 | |
point, the government is a large
employer, all government | 2:00:37 | 2:00:42 | |
departments, they are disability
confident employers and one of the | 2:00:42 | 2:00:44 | |
points in the command paper we make
is, as an employer, the civil | 2:00:44 | 2:00:50 | |
service lead by example in terms of
how it operates and the support | 2:00:50 | 2:00:55 | |
provided to disabled people. Mr
Speaker, I thank the right | 2:00:55 | 2:01:02 | |
honourable member for his statement
and that he will introduce | 2:01:02 | 2:01:08 | |
significant improvement and access
to his programme. Does it include | 2:01:08 | 2:01:12 | |
abolishing all raising the cap on
support for deaf people that was | 2:01:12 | 2:01:15 | |
introduced in March 2015? --
abolishing all raising. We are | 2:01:15 | 2:01:23 | |
reviewing that matter, we have
representations on that point and we | 2:01:23 | 2:01:26 | |
continue to look at the evidence.
Madam Deputy Speaker, my father was | 2:01:26 | 2:01:33 | |
made disabled at work and that can
really affect your life chances. I | 2:01:33 | 2:01:37 | |
congratulate microlink, they have
been going for over 23 years and | 2:01:37 | 2:01:42 | |
they enable people to get back to
work with conditions and | 2:01:42 | 2:01:46 | |
disabilities, both in education and
employment, and look at the | 2:01:46 | 2:01:50 | |
challenges around that. Could the
secretary of state listen to | 2:01:50 | 2:01:54 | |
companies such as these who do so
much to keep people in work and in | 2:01:54 | 2:01:59 | |
education, and give them
opportunities at every point in | 2:01:59 | 2:02:01 | |
life? I'm grateful to my honourable
friend for the question and I praise | 2:02:01 | 2:02:08 | |
the employer in her constituency.
It's very good employers who lead | 2:02:08 | 2:02:13 | |
the way. We have 5000 employers
signed up as disability confident. | 2:02:13 | 2:02:18 | |
And, what we want to do, Jayson Shaw
backlist -- is ensure best actress | 2:02:18 | 2:02:26 | |
is pursued by all employers. Madam
Deputy Speaker, the Secretary of | 2:02:26 | 2:02:32 | |
State will be aware that evidence
presented to the select committee in | 2:02:32 | 2:02:35 | |
relation to frustrations using the
service, and operators. It is not | 2:02:35 | 2:02:41 | |
acceptable for people to wait for 50
minutes to get access to that, so | 2:02:41 | 2:02:48 | |
can he assure me that adequate
staffing is put in place for a home | 2:02:48 | 2:02:55 | |
service to mark we are always
looking at what we can do to improve | 2:02:55 | 2:03:02 | |
the service provided and where that
falls below acceptable levels, it is | 2:03:02 | 2:03:09 | |
clearly something that needs to be
rectified. Madam Deputy Speaker, I | 2:03:09 | 2:03:16 | |
welcome the statement. I'm sure the
Secretary of State would agree that | 2:03:16 | 2:03:19 | |
it is about tackling a two book,
surrounding mental health, that | 2:03:19 | 2:03:23 | |
could prevent people from accessing
help when they think they could be | 2:03:23 | 2:03:26 | |
an issue and we think it is a key
part of the statement, and would | 2:03:26 | 2:03:30 | |
make people more confident -- and
would make employers more confident | 2:03:30 | 2:03:36 | |
about employing those with mental
health issues. If you like, that | 2:03:36 | 2:03:45 | |
kind of cultural shift is what we
need more broadly in terms of a | 2:03:45 | 2:03:50 | |
recognition and understanding of
some of the disabilities or health | 2:03:50 | 2:03:55 | |
conditions that may have helped
people back in the past but actually | 2:03:55 | 2:03:58 | |
can be dealt with and can be
accommodated, and there can be | 2:03:58 | 2:04:03 | |
adaptations and steps taken by
employers that can ensure people | 2:04:03 | 2:04:09 | |
continue to be able to work. That is
what this paper argues for very | 2:04:09 | 2:04:12 | |
strongly. The Minister will start a
specific job of work, looking at | 2:04:12 | 2:04:20 | |
support for those with acquired
brain injuries, whether through | 2:04:20 | 2:04:23 | |
concussion in sport which could lead
to dramatic and calf a lot of -- or | 2:04:23 | 2:04:32 | |
in a car accident, the truth is,
there isn't anywhere near enough | 2:04:32 | 2:04:39 | |
rehabilitation units across the
country, it can kill people and get | 2:04:39 | 2:04:43 | |
them back into work and it is
immensely cost-effective for the | 2:04:43 | 2:04:49 | |
government. Karen I invite you to
look at this work, and so we can | 2:04:49 | 2:04:58 | |
give people the real-life
opportunities that they need? I | 2:04:58 | 2:05:02 | |
think the honourable member for his
question, he raises an important | 2:05:02 | 2:05:06 | |
point and I know my honourable
member for disabled people is keen | 2:05:06 | 2:05:11 | |
to meet him in his capacity, as
chair of the group to discuss this. | 2:05:11 | 2:05:17 | |
Hull Rachel McClane. I wonder if the
Minister and other members watched | 2:05:17 | 2:05:23 | |
the programme on BBC Two,
Employable, the other night. I was | 2:05:23 | 2:05:27 | |
struck by the courage of disabled
people, so keen to get back into | 2:05:27 | 2:05:32 | |
work facing challenges. And the
enlightened employers who gave them | 2:05:32 | 2:05:36 | |
a chance. It demonstrated the life
enhancing power of work for people | 2:05:36 | 2:05:39 | |
who choose to work, when it is a
positive choice for them and when | 2:05:39 | 2:05:43 | |
they are supported but can I ask the
Minister to think about how it is | 2:05:43 | 2:05:48 | |
for small businesses and charities
featured in the programme, to give | 2:05:48 | 2:05:51 | |
the right support and can he talk
about how this statement will make | 2:05:51 | 2:05:56 | |
that go further? When I I thank my
honourable friend for her question. | 2:05:56 | 2:06:03 | |
I confess I haven't had the
opportunity to see the programme she | 2:06:03 | 2:06:07 | |
mentioned that she is not the first
person to mention it to me, with a | 2:06:07 | 2:06:11 | |
strong recommendation. I will
perhaps endeavour to do that over | 2:06:11 | 2:06:13 | |
the weekend. But she raises an
important point about small | 2:06:13 | 2:06:19 | |
businesses. Part of what we need to
do is to provide support to small | 2:06:19 | 2:06:23 | |
businesses as to what is the best
way in which they can provide | 2:06:23 | 2:06:28 | |
support to disabled people, and, of
course, have access to very talented | 2:06:28 | 2:06:35 | |
people, as I understand the
programme demonstrates, with | 2:06:35 | 2:06:38 | |
significant abilities to bring a lot
to the labour market. But partly | 2:06:38 | 2:06:41 | |
because of attitudes and culture and
so on, have not had the | 2:06:41 | 2:06:46 | |
opportunities they should have.
David Linden. I know from the | 2:06:46 | 2:06:52 | |
statement that it talks about the
disability assessment. It is a major | 2:06:52 | 2:06:59 | |
issue. I think of a constituent who
was treated quite poorly by what | 2:06:59 | 2:07:05 | |
disability assessment. Can I ask
when you last sat in on a bike | 2:07:05 | 2:07:09 | |
disability assessment? I haven't,
but what I can say is that we have | 2:07:09 | 2:07:16 | |
made reforms to the work capability
assessment process, and in terms of | 2:07:16 | 2:07:25 | |
those with severe disabilities, they
no longer need to be reassessed in | 2:07:25 | 2:07:27 | |
the same way. | 2:07:27 | 2:07:37 | |
In welcoming the Secretary of
State's statement about helping B | 2:07:49 | 2:07:53 | |
was health conditions back into
work, may I ask what is being done | 2:07:53 | 2:07:56 | |
to enhance the job centre plus offer
specifically in relation to people | 2:07:56 | 2:08:01 | |
with mental health issues and
learning disabilities, specifically | 2:08:01 | 2:08:08 | |
in helping them with Universal
Credit applications? My little | 2:08:08 | 2:08:12 | |
friend makes a good point. We have
got 300 disability employment | 2:08:12 | 2:08:19 | |
advisers in place. I have met with
them and discussed the work that | 2:08:19 | 2:08:24 | |
they do and struck by the specialist
support they can provide. We are | 2:08:24 | 2:08:27 | |
also putting in place 200 community
partners to further assist on this. | 2:08:27 | 2:08:32 | |
It is about ensuring that job centre
pluss are well placed to provide | 2:08:32 | 2:08:39 | |
support to people that they need.
Thank you. Abbey in danger of | 2:08:39 | 2:08:44 | |
setting a dangerous precedent where
constituents are in possession of a | 2:08:44 | 2:08:47 | |
sect note from a health
professional, that be a consultant | 2:08:47 | 2:08:52 | |
or a doctor or a psychiatrist, and
that is overridden by the work | 2:08:52 | 2:08:57 | |
assessors who therefore declare that
the person is fit for work? I had | 2:08:57 | 2:09:02 | |
the constituent visit me and she is
clearly disabled, clear for all to | 2:09:02 | 2:09:06 | |
see. She was asked how she does her
shopping and she says she does at | 2:09:06 | 2:09:11 | |
online of a couple of weeks
therefore he was fit to work in an | 2:09:11 | 2:09:14 | |
office for 37 hours a week. 1.I
would make in terms of the | 2:09:14 | 2:09:21 | |
assessments and whether we're
looking at ES eight or pep. The | 2:09:21 | 2:09:29 | |
percentage of those assessments
which overturned is running at about | 2:09:29 | 2:09:33 | |
4%. -- ESA or PIP. Let's put it in
context that only 4% or overturned | 2:09:33 | 2:09:41 | |
on appeal. Today's command paper
there's a huge step forward and | 2:09:41 | 2:09:49 | |
should be welcomed. When it comes to
attitude, does my right friend | 2:09:49 | 2:09:53 | |
agreed that we need to tackle a
culture, in some quarters, which | 2:09:53 | 2:09:58 | |
fails to harness the potential of
disabled people in the workplace. It | 2:09:58 | 2:10:03 | |
is absolutely right and that is
where I come back to this need for a | 2:10:03 | 2:10:07 | |
culture shift. The government has
got an important role to play in | 2:10:07 | 2:10:12 | |
terms of making that case and I am
determined that we do that. The | 2:10:12 | 2:10:18 | |
timely payment of PIP is important
for disabled people whether in work | 2:10:18 | 2:10:25 | |
or not yet the experience of my
constituent Margaret who had two | 2:10:25 | 2:10:29 | |
strokes and had to travel a 70 mile
round trip for her assessment with | 2:10:29 | 2:10:33 | |
her daughter was that the meeting
was cancelled on the day she turned | 2:10:33 | 2:10:36 | |
up despite written confirmation.
Will the Secretary of State | 2:10:36 | 2:10:44 | |
investigate the growing problem of
cancelled PIP appointments due to | 2:10:44 | 2:10:48 | |
lack of resources and its impact on
disabled people in the Highlands and | 2:10:48 | 2:10:50 | |
elsewhere? The point I would make to
the honourable gentleman is clearly | 2:10:50 | 2:10:58 | |
that in that particular case it is
not acceptable and we do need to | 2:10:58 | 2:11:03 | |
address those issues. I would say
that when it comes to delays in | 2:11:03 | 2:11:07 | |
payments of PIP and assessments, we
have made progress in the last | 2:11:07 | 2:11:13 | |
couple of years but we obviously
need to continue to ensure that it | 2:11:13 | 2:11:18 | |
is of adequate standards. How does
he deactivate complaint last week | 2:11:18 | 2:11:27 | |
that as an applicant for the post of
disability Commissioner he now | 2:11:27 | 2:11:31 | |
believes the post is about to be
downgraded the polished -- or | 2:11:31 | 2:11:39 | |
abolished? The Lord is a magnificent
example of someone who has overcome | 2:11:39 | 2:11:43 | |
a severe disability. How can he
react to a visible failure of | 2:11:43 | 2:11:51 | |
government to act to a complaint I
put in some years ago a pretty | 2:11:51 | 2:11:55 | |
constituent who worked in the civil
service and his career came to an | 2:11:55 | 2:12:00 | |
end because he couldn't get access
to his wheelchair, to the box in the | 2:12:00 | 2:12:03 | |
corner? In terms of that latter
case. The honourable gentleman | 2:12:03 | 2:12:14 | |
raises an important point. I agree
the law does a great example. My | 2:12:14 | 2:12:23 | |
understanding in terms of the
commissioners for the equality and | 2:12:23 | 2:12:26 | |
human rights that that is that that
is a decision made by the commission | 2:12:26 | 2:12:34 | |
without any ministerial
interference, whether there is a | 2:12:34 | 2:12:36 | |
particular disability commission and
that is my understanding of the | 2:12:36 | 2:12:40 | |
situation. Thank you. I would like
to thank the Secretary of State for | 2:12:40 | 2:12:47 | |
some of the important work on this
issue done between his department | 2:12:47 | 2:12:49 | |
and the all-party group disability
that I'd share. A key recommendation | 2:12:49 | 2:12:55 | |
from our enquiry board was that a
significant improvement could be | 2:12:55 | 2:13:00 | |
made in employment every right to
leveraged public procurement | 2:13:00 | 2:13:03 | |
contracts towards disability
confident employers. Is there | 2:13:03 | 2:13:07 | |
something you would further conserve
and perhaps write to the all-party | 2:13:07 | 2:13:10 | |
group with his thoughts? First of
all can I thank her for the work she | 2:13:10 | 2:13:18 | |
does with the all-party
parliamentary group and thank her | 2:13:18 | 2:13:21 | |
for the kind words about the
engagement with my department. I | 2:13:21 | 2:13:24 | |
think she raises an interesting
point about procurement and she will | 2:13:24 | 2:13:28 | |
be aware that when it comes to
procurement issues that very often | 2:13:28 | 2:13:35 | |
many ask from different departments
and sectors and the Cabinet Office | 2:13:35 | 2:13:41 | |
has to take a view on that but we
are looking at that particular issue | 2:13:41 | 2:13:45 | |
and I would certainly encourage all
major companies, particularly those | 2:13:45 | 2:13:52 | |
with engagement with the government,
that they should be looking closely | 2:13:52 | 2:13:56 | |
at being a disability employer, what
that involves. I wondered if the | 2:13:56 | 2:14:03 | |
Secretary of State could take the
House on the progress made for those | 2:14:03 | 2:14:07 | |
people damaged by the state through
receiving contaminated blood | 2:14:07 | 2:14:12 | |
products through the contaminated
blood scandal in the past sporting | 2:14:12 | 2:14:17 | |
of benefits to those individuals
they don't have to keep going | 2:14:17 | 2:14:19 | |
through regular assessments? I am
happy to look at that particular | 2:14:19 | 2:14:26 | |
issue and break to the honourable
member. My constituent suffered | 2:14:26 | 2:14:36 | |
mental health problems and had to
give up her work. She subsequently | 2:14:36 | 2:14:41 | |
gained the qualification that
allowed her to work in a clear | 2:14:41 | 2:14:44 | |
centre. That sounds like a good new
centre except although she is on ESA | 2:14:44 | 2:14:51 | |
and only able to work a maximum of
16 hours a week the DWP will not | 2:14:51 | 2:14:55 | |
allow her to take up employment
because she has to do an internal | 2:14:55 | 2:14:59 | |
training programme which would take
over the threshold. With the | 2:14:59 | 2:15:02 | |
government look at amending this
crazy situation? I am grateful to | 2:15:02 | 2:15:07 | |
the member for raising this case. I
agree it does not sound in any way a | 2:15:07 | 2:15:13 | |
sensible situation to be in. The
good news I can get with that | 2:15:13 | 2:15:17 | |
situation simply will not happen
once Universal Credit is introduced. | 2:15:17 | 2:15:26 | |
One of the major concerns facing
disabled people in my constituency | 2:15:26 | 2:15:30 | |
is the impact of Universal Credit. I
note in his department was my recent | 2:15:30 | 2:15:33 | |
statement last week, the right
honourable gentleman postpone the | 2:15:33 | 2:15:39 | |
roll-out in his constituency and
those of the Prime Minister and | 2:15:39 | 2:15:42 | |
first Secretary of State. As he is
in the mid to reconsider, can he do | 2:15:42 | 2:15:46 | |
the same for the people of Barnsley
East? The previous question give an | 2:15:46 | 2:15:52 | |
example of how Universal Credit is
actually going to be much better for | 2:15:52 | 2:15:55 | |
disabled people. We are rolling out
Universal Credit anyway that is safe | 2:15:55 | 2:16:01 | |
and we are making adjustments as and
when we need to, but I am pleased to | 2:16:01 | 2:16:08 | |
save the date on which Universal
Credit will be fully rolled out has | 2:16:08 | 2:16:11 | |
remained unchanged, March 20 22. If
it could be earlier I would make it | 2:16:11 | 2:16:17 | |
so but that is the safest point at
which we can do it. Universal Credit | 2:16:17 | 2:16:22 | |
will be an advantage for many
disabled people because they will | 2:16:22 | 2:16:25 | |
not be faced with some of those
disincentives about perhaps not | 2:16:25 | 2:16:29 | |
working more than 16 hours a week.
Point of order. Only point of order, | 2:16:29 | 2:16:41 | |
on the 31st of October at the health
select committee I asked the Health | 2:16:41 | 2:16:45 | |
Secretary he had visited the locked
mental health rehabilitation ward | 2:16:45 | 2:16:49 | |
currently home to more than 3500
patients across the country. He | 2:16:49 | 2:16:54 | |
answered yes. Three weeks ago I
followed up with the parliamentary | 2:16:54 | 2:16:59 | |
question to ask the Secretary of
State which what he had visited and | 2:16:59 | 2:17:02 | |
when. The answer I received said the
information is not held in the | 2:17:02 | 2:17:06 | |
format requested. I asked a
subsequent named a parliamentary | 2:17:06 | 2:17:11 | |
question, this time just asking
which locked mental health the | 2:17:11 | 2:17:16 | |
abilities and walk the Secretary of
State visited. The answer I received | 2:17:16 | 2:17:21 | |
stated, and I quote, the Secretary
of State has visited a wide range of | 2:17:21 | 2:17:25 | |
mental health facilities including
15 since July 16. However the | 2:17:25 | 2:17:31 | |
information requested is not held.
Is it in order for the Secretary of | 2:17:31 | 2:17:37 | |
State not to disclose to a member of
Parliament details of a visit he | 2:17:37 | 2:17:40 | |
confirmed he had me that the select
committee and that it is not what | 2:17:40 | 2:17:44 | |
advice can you please offer about
how I can please solicit this very | 2:17:44 | 2:17:48 | |
important information from the
Secretary of State? I can not | 2:17:48 | 2:17:56 | |
comment directly on the adequacy or
otherwise of ministerial responses. | 2:17:56 | 2:18:03 | |
The honourable lady has clearly
raised her concerns about this | 2:18:03 | 2:18:10 | |
issue. The government front bench
will also have heard what she has | 2:18:10 | 2:18:16 | |
said. I think my best advice is that
the honourable lady should perhaps | 2:18:16 | 2:18:23 | |
also consult with the table office
about whether there are other ways | 2:18:23 | 2:18:28 | |
that she can raise this issue.
Perhaps even in the short debate on | 2:18:28 | 2:18:37 | |
health questions. Thank you. We now
come to the emergency day debate, | 2:18:37 | 2:18:44 | |
Andrew Mitchell. | 2:18:44 | 2:18:48 | |
I am extremely grateful for granting
this debate. That is rapidly rising | 2:18:51 | 2:18:58 | |
concern in Britain about what is
happening in Yemen and the Park | 2:18:58 | 2:19:03 | |
Britain is playing in this crisis.
There is deep concern that an | 2:19:03 | 2:19:08 | |
almighty catastrophe of biblical
proportions is unfolding in the | 2:19:08 | 2:19:11 | |
Yemen before our eyes and the
considerable fear that Britain is | 2:19:11 | 2:19:16 | |
dangerously complicit in it. I had
the opportunity thanks to Oxfam and | 2:19:16 | 2:19:23 | |
the United Nations to visit Yemen
hour this year. I am most grateful | 2:19:23 | 2:19:28 | |
to the Saudi Arabian authorities for
facilitating that visit. I think I | 2:19:28 | 2:19:33 | |
remain the only European politician
to have visited the northern part of | 2:19:33 | 2:19:36 | |
Yemen in the last three years. I
want to pay tribute today to the | 2:19:36 | 2:19:42 | |
extraordinary work that the
humanitarian aid agencies and the UN | 2:19:42 | 2:19:44 | |
are carrying out and in particular
the work that Jamie McGoldrick and | 2:19:44 | 2:19:50 | |
his team at the UN are still
brilliantly doing in almost | 2:19:50 | 2:19:54 | |
impossible circumstances. I returned
from the Yemen deeply concerned | 2:19:54 | 2:19:59 | |
about what I have learned and seen
and expressed my concern both to the | 2:19:59 | 2:20:02 | |
Foreign Office and the British
government privately as well as to | 2:20:02 | 2:20:08 | |
the Saudi authorities Scotty of his
Excellency the Saudi Arabian | 2:20:08 | 2:20:11 | |
ambassador. I regard myself as a
friend of Saudi Arabia although a | 2:20:11 | 2:20:16 | |
candid one. Like many I have great
respect for the domestic reforms and | 2:20:16 | 2:20:23 | |
modernisation currently in progress
and the kingdom being led by the | 2:20:23 | 2:20:26 | |
crown prince. My visit to Yemen
enabled me to spend time with the | 2:20:26 | 2:20:32 | |
humanitarian agencies and also meet
with the leadership, the former | 2:20:32 | 2:20:39 | |
president of Yemen and those
currently leading what is the | 2:20:39 | 2:20:41 | |
largest political party in Yemeni
politics. Anything congratulating | 2:20:41 | 2:20:51 | |
the right honourable gentleman in
securing this debate. In offering | 2:20:51 | 2:20:55 | |
our thanks to the humanitarian
workers, does the right honourable | 2:20:55 | 2:21:01 | |
gentleman agree with me that
although the roots of this terrible | 2:21:01 | 2:21:04 | |
war are deeply complex, there is
absolutely no justification | 2:21:04 | 2:21:10 | |
whatsoever for repeated blockades of
the ports and airports which are | 2:21:10 | 2:21:17 | |
denying the long-suffering people of
Yemen the food and medicine that | 2:21:17 | 2:21:21 | |
they require. And as a result of the
blockades they are suffering | 2:21:21 | 2:21:28 | |
grievously with the threat of famine
and people are dying of disease | 2:21:28 | 2:21:31 | |
including cholera. The right
honourable gentleman is absolutely | 2:21:31 | 2:21:36 | |
right in every syllable he has just
expressed to the House. I hope to go | 2:21:36 | 2:21:41 | |
on and set out both the extent of
the problems he has identified and | 2:21:41 | 2:21:45 | |
also what I think the British
government can do to assist in its | 2:21:45 | 2:21:49 | |
resolution. I was talking about
those I met when I was in Yemen and | 2:21:49 | 2:21:55 | |
also about the Houthis. There's an
idea that persists that the was | 2:21:55 | 2:22:05 | |
captured by terrorists who have
stolen the country. This analysis is | 2:22:05 | 2:22:09 | |
not only wrong but an extremely
dangerous fiction. The Houthis are | 2:22:09 | 2:22:14 | |
in complete control of large parts
of the country and together with the | 2:22:14 | 2:22:19 | |
Allies, they have established a
strong and orderly government in the | 2:22:19 | 2:22:22 | |
North particularly throughout the
capital city of Yemen. They will not | 2:22:22 | 2:22:28 | |
be easily shifted. The Houthis
commit grave violations against the | 2:22:28 | 2:22:35 | |
civilian population including forced
disappearances and siphoning vital | 2:22:35 | 2:22:38 | |
resources on public services to fund
violence, but for most in the | 2:22:38 | 2:22:43 | |
capital city, the only violence and
disorderly experiences that which | 2:22:43 | 2:22:47 | |
rained down upon them night after
night from the skies from Saudi | 2:22:47 | 2:22:51 | |
Arabian aircraft. | 2:22:51 | 2:22:56 | |
I am grateful to the honourable
member for securing this debate and | 2:22:56 | 2:22:58 | |
giving way. I will put to him that
there was a recent BBC documentary | 2:22:58 | 2:23:03 | |
which showed Houthis in Sana'a
putting posters up everywhere, | 2:23:03 | 2:23:09 | |
putting Shia clerics into the
mosques, and the chanting in the | 2:23:09 | 2:23:13 | |
mosques were "Death to America and
death to Israel. Curse the dues". Is | 2:23:13 | 2:23:19 | |
that progressive and the Houthis
represent a peaceful way forward? | 2:23:19 | 2:23:26 | |
The Houthis are responsible for
violence and disappearances, and in | 2:23:26 | 2:23:31 | |
the sentences I was uttering before
I gave way, I was making clear what | 2:23:31 | 2:23:36 | |
the position is, in respect to the
Houthis. The fact is, they are in | 2:23:36 | 2:23:41 | |
control of large parts of Yemen and
they will not be easily shifted. | 2:23:41 | 2:23:45 | |
During my visit I was also able to
travel to the north of Yemen, which | 2:23:45 | 2:23:50 | |
has largely been destroyed. Posters
in the city in Arabic and English | 2:23:50 | 2:24:01 | |
say that children are being killed
by the British and the Americans. In | 2:24:01 | 2:24:07 | |
my many years of working with
humanitarian organisations, I have | 2:24:07 | 2:24:10 | |
seldom seen such a clear, convincing
and utterly united approach from so | 2:24:10 | 2:24:16 | |
many of our world leading NGOs and
charities. I want to be clear on the | 2:24:16 | 2:24:23 | |
situation on the ground last night.
The position is, some humanitarian | 2:24:23 | 2:24:27 | |
flights into Sana'a have resumed on
the 26th of November following the | 2:24:27 | 2:24:33 | |
intensification of the blockade
imposed on the 5th of November. | 2:24:33 | 2:24:37 | |
Limited shipments have come into her
dado, the principal port in Yemen, | 2:24:37 | 2:24:44 | |
and two initial shipments into these
ports have brought just 30,000 | 2:24:44 | 2:24:48 | |
metric tonnes of commercial wheat,
less than 10% of Yemen's monthly | 2:24:48 | 2:24:53 | |
need to keep its population alive.
300,000 metric tonnes of wheat was | 2:24:53 | 2:24:58 | |
turned away in the first two weeks
of the blockade. There are three | 2:24:58 | 2:25:02 | |
vessels this morning loaded with
food outside of the port which await | 2:25:02 | 2:25:07 | |
permission from Saudi authorities to
enter. Secondly, one humanitarian | 2:25:07 | 2:25:11 | |
air cargo flight landed last weekend
with 1.19 million doses of | 2:25:11 | 2:25:16 | |
diphtheria vaccine. They will help
to contain the current outbreak of | 2:25:16 | 2:25:21 | |
diphtheria, a disease known as the
strangling angel of children, a | 2:25:21 | 2:25:25 | |
disease we no longer see in Britain
and Europe and which, since August, | 2:25:25 | 2:25:31 | |
has produced over 170 suspect cases
and at least 14 deaths so far. | 2:25:31 | 2:25:36 | |
Thirdly, there has been no access
for fuel. Fuel is critical to the | 2:25:36 | 2:25:41 | |
milling and trucking food to the
vulnerable as well as the ongoing | 2:25:41 | 2:25:47 | |
operation of health, water and
sewage systems. Humanitarian | 2:25:47 | 2:25:51 | |
agencies need 1 million litres of
fuel per month. Without it, | 2:25:51 | 2:25:55 | |
hospitals shut down due to a lack of
power and water. At least seven | 2:25:55 | 2:25:59 | |
whole cities have run out of water
and sanitation and aid agencies | 2:25:59 | 2:26:05 | |
cannot get food to starving
families. The destruction of clean | 2:26:05 | 2:26:11 | |
water and sanitation facilities is
directly responsible for the | 2:26:11 | 2:26:15 | |
outbreak earlier this year of
cholera, affecting nearly 1 million | 2:26:15 | 2:26:20 | |
people. To summarise, the effect and
impact of the blockade could not be | 2:26:20 | 2:26:24 | |
graver. Yemen is a country ravaged
by medieval diseases and on the | 2:26:24 | 2:26:30 | |
precipice of famine, with rapidly
dwindling food and fuel stocks in | 2:26:30 | 2:26:34 | |
Yemen and the dire humanitarian
situation rushing at least 7 million | 2:26:34 | 2:26:39 | |
people into famine. It is now vital
that there is unimpeded access from | 2:26:39 | 2:26:43 | |
humanitarian and commercial cargo to
enter these ports, including those | 2:26:43 | 2:26:50 | |
carrying fuel. Approximately 21
million yet the -- without access | 2:26:50 | 2:27:02 | |
for critical commercial goods, the
likelihood of famine and a renewed | 2:27:02 | 2:27:06 | |
spike of cholera remain. The
international humanitarian agencies | 2:27:06 | 2:27:10 | |
are doing their best to support
around 7 million people that the | 2:27:10 | 2:27:14 | |
rest of the population rely on the
commercial sector and the lack of | 2:27:14 | 2:27:18 | |
food and fuel is causing desperate
problems with price hikes over 100% | 2:27:18 | 2:27:24 | |
in costs for essential commodities.
I give way. Bee I think the right | 2:27:24 | 2:27:31 | |
honourable gentleman for drawing
breath and giving way. If I could | 2:27:31 | 2:27:35 | |
take he is absolutely right to
identify and highlight the | 2:27:35 | 2:27:40 | |
humanitarian crisis in Yemen. I
think he does because no service by | 2:27:40 | 2:27:47 | |
glossing over the causes of the
situation, and particularly the | 2:27:47 | 2:27:51 | |
Iranians back Houthi rebellion with
violence accomplished by that, I | 2:27:51 | 2:27:57 | |
know that many of my constituents,
whose families are still there, are | 2:27:57 | 2:28:02 | |
terrified by the prospects of the
Houthi taking over but does he | 2:28:02 | 2:28:07 | |
acknowledge it is the government of
Yemen that is internationally | 2:28:07 | 2:28:11 | |
recognised and supported by the
Saudi led coalition. Can we have | 2:28:11 | 2:28:15 | |
balance on this, on the causes of
this? If we are able to detain the | 2:28:15 | 2:28:23 | |
right honourable gentleman
throughout the rest of my remarks, I | 2:28:23 | 2:28:26 | |
will directly address many of the
points that he has made. The Saudi | 2:28:26 | 2:28:32 | |
pledged to open some ports does not
come close to feeding a population | 2:28:32 | 2:28:39 | |
reliant on commercial imports for
80% of its food. The best analogy | 2:28:39 | 2:28:44 | |
for Hodeidah is the equivalent of
the Port of London. 80% of all the | 2:28:44 | 2:28:50 | |
mini food is imported and 70% comes
through Hodeidah port. As the | 2:28:50 | 2:28:55 | |
Secretary-General of the UN said
last week, the flour milling | 2:28:55 | 2:28:58 | |
capacity of Hodeidah ports and their
proximity to 70% of people in need | 2:28:58 | 2:29:03 | |
makes them indispensable for the
survival of Yemen. He went on to say | 2:29:03 | 2:29:11 | |
that unless a blockade on these
ports is lifted, these ports, famine | 2:29:11 | 2:29:16 | |
throughout Yemen is a real threat,
including on the southern border of | 2:29:16 | 2:29:19 | |
Saudi Arabia. The recent Saudi
proposal, in respect to opening | 2:29:19 | 2:29:24 | |
other ports, completely misses the
point. Nobody should accept the | 2:29:24 | 2:29:29 | |
Saudi's minor concessions on
humanitarian access as a victory, | 2:29:29 | 2:29:34 | |
allowing some UN flights to land and
ships to doctors not constitute the | 2:29:34 | 2:29:39 | |
unhindered humanitarian access that
Saudi Arabia is required to provide | 2:29:39 | 2:29:45 | |
under international humanitarian
law. Humanitarian cargo alone will | 2:29:45 | 2:29:48 | |
not avert a famine in the Yemen. All
it will do is slow the inevitable | 2:29:48 | 2:29:54 | |
descent into disease and starvation,
for millions. Thank you, Madam | 2:29:54 | 2:30:03 | |
Deputy Speaker, I ask my right
honourable friend to confirm, to me, | 2:30:03 | 2:30:07 | |
but I was under the impression that
the government opened its ports, | 2:30:07 | 2:30:13 | |
including Hodeidah, but the rebels
have not opened ports and they | 2:30:13 | 2:30:17 | |
obviously want all of the ports in
Yemen to be opened as fast as | 2:30:17 | 2:30:22 | |
possible but, right now, my
understanding was that the | 2:30:22 | 2:30:26 | |
government and the Saudis as well
have opened up the ports that they | 2:30:26 | 2:30:30 | |
control. Am I wrong? Right
honourable friend is partially | 2:30:30 | 2:30:36 | |
wrong. The two critical ports are
headed and they have not been | 2:30:36 | 2:30:44 | |
shipping, and aware that I describe
it is not being allowed to enter | 2:30:44 | 2:30:47 | |
those ports in an unfettered way. I
want to be very clear about this. | 2:30:47 | 2:30:53 | |
Humanitarian support, without
commercial imports coming into the | 2:30:53 | 2:30:57 | |
country, especially food, fuel and
medicine, will condemn millions of | 2:30:57 | 2:31:02 | |
Yemenis to certain death. What does
this mean on the ground? 27 children | 2:31:02 | 2:31:09 | |
are diagnosed as acutely
malnourished, 600 more starving | 2:31:09 | 2:31:15 | |
children every day. According to the
world food programme, as things | 2:31:15 | 2:31:20 | |
stand, 150,000 malnourished children
could starve to death in the coming | 2:31:20 | 2:31:23 | |
months. 70 million people do not
know where their next meal is coming | 2:31:23 | 2:31:28 | |
from. As of today, at least 400,000
children are suffering from severe | 2:31:28 | 2:31:34 | |
acute malnutrition, as medically
defined. Madam Deputy Speaker, when | 2:31:34 | 2:31:41 | |
children have severe malnutrition,
they reached a critical point where | 2:31:41 | 2:31:44 | |
they are no longer able to eat for
themselves and they need to be fed | 2:31:44 | 2:31:48 | |
by nasogastric tubes. Prior to that
point, we can assess them and revive | 2:31:48 | 2:31:53 | |
them quickly with nutritional
biscuits for the cost of a few pence | 2:31:53 | 2:31:59 | |
per child but once they are so
starved of nutrition, they require | 2:31:59 | 2:32:04 | |
medical assistance and their organs
begin to fail. They cannot play, | 2:32:04 | 2:32:10 | |
they cannot smile. Parents have to
be told that their children still | 2:32:10 | 2:32:12 | |
love them, they are just too weak to
show it. I repeat, Madam Deputy | 2:32:12 | 2:32:19 | |
Speaker, the malnutrition in Yemen
today is threatening the lives of | 2:32:19 | 2:32:22 | |
hundreds of thousands of children.
The imagery on our television | 2:32:22 | 2:32:27 | |
screens, captured by only the most
intrepid of journalists due to Saudi | 2:32:27 | 2:32:32 | |
restrictions on media access, seen,
from a bygone era. Their tenuous | 2:32:32 | 2:32:40 | |
hold on life, dependent on fuel for
hospital generators, which is fast | 2:32:40 | 2:32:44 | |
running out. An award-winning
reporter for the BBC showed shocking | 2:32:44 | 2:32:52 | |
and heartbreaking images of famine,
and shattering health systems even | 2:32:52 | 2:32:57 | |
before the current blockade. I give
way. Would he not agree though that | 2:32:57 | 2:33:02 | |
when he says there are limitations
on journalism, Al Jazeera have a lot | 2:33:02 | 2:33:08 | |
of access and they do not report
favourably to the world the Saudi | 2:33:08 | 2:33:12 | |
position. Would he not also accept
that you only have to go on you Tube | 2:33:12 | 2:33:15 | |
to see an awful lot of modern media
put on from inside North Yemen and | 2:33:15 | 2:33:21 | |
Sana'a and in Saudi Arabia where
Houthis regularly kill Saudi people? | 2:33:21 | 2:33:29 | |
What the honourable gentleman would
accept is that where there is a | 2:33:29 | 2:33:33 | |
blockade, which specifically targets
journalists to stop them coming in, | 2:33:33 | 2:33:37 | |
it is reasonable to assume that the
regime and control has something to | 2:33:37 | 2:33:40 | |
hide which it does not want
journalists to see. If there is | 2:33:40 | 2:33:45 | |
nothing to hide, presumably
journalists would be allowed access? | 2:33:45 | 2:33:50 | |
When the 25 humanitarian agencies
wrote to the Foreign Secretary on | 2:33:50 | 2:33:53 | |
the 30th of November, they did so
because Britain is part of the | 2:33:53 | 2:33:59 | |
coalition blocking and attacking
Yemen. As the pen holder of Yemen at | 2:33:59 | 2:34:04 | |
the UN, we are responsible for
leading action at the council. We | 2:34:04 | 2:34:09 | |
bear a special responsibility,
physical as well as moral, to lead | 2:34:09 | 2:34:13 | |
the international response to end
this conflict. Yet, our government | 2:34:13 | 2:34:17 | |
has declined to call this what it
is. And illegal blockade. Saudi | 2:34:17 | 2:34:21 | |
Arabia is in direct violation of
humanitarian law and it is | 2:34:21 | 2:34:27 | |
specifically in breach of the
security legislation 2016 which | 2:34:27 | 2:34:33 | |
urges all parties to facilitate the
delivery of humanitarian assistance, | 2:34:33 | 2:34:37 | |
as well as rapid, safe and
unhindered access for humanitarian | 2:34:37 | 2:34:42 | |
actors to reach people in need of
humanitarian assistance, including | 2:34:42 | 2:34:46 | |
medical assistance. That is what the
resolution says. It can hardly be | 2:34:46 | 2:34:50 | |
clearer. The security council
resolution was initiated and drafted | 2:34:50 | 2:34:53 | |
by the UK in 2015. The British
government was right to condemn the | 2:34:53 | 2:35:00 | |
attempted Houthi missile attack on
Riyadh airport, my right honourable | 2:35:00 | 2:35:04 | |
friend did so in the house last
week. Where is the -- on each of the | 2:35:04 | 2:35:11 | |
three nights that I spent in Sana'a
earlier this year, there were six | 2:35:11 | 2:35:16 | |
bombing runs by the Saudi air force
attacking the city. I was in no | 2:35:16 | 2:35:20 | |
danger whatsoever as I was safe with
the UN. Imagine the fear and horror | 2:35:20 | 2:35:25 | |
families and children who, night
after night, are the subject of | 2:35:25 | 2:35:28 | |
crude bombing attacks which usually
destroy civilian and non-military | 2:35:28 | 2:35:34 | |
targets? Throughout the conflict,
quite diplomacy has failed to curb | 2:35:34 | 2:35:40 | |
outrage after outrage as our allies
destroyed bridges and hospitals. No | 2:35:40 | 2:35:48 | |
wonder the Secretary-General has
called it a stupid war. Despite | 2:35:48 | 2:35:52 | |
holding the pen at the UN Security
Council, the UK has so far failed to | 2:35:52 | 2:35:56 | |
take any steps whatsoever to use it
to respond to the recent | 2:35:56 | 2:36:00 | |
escalations. We have not condemned
the legal restrictions on | 2:36:00 | 2:36:05 | |
humanitarian aid and vital imports
of food, fuel and medicines, nor | 2:36:05 | 2:36:09 | |
have we called for parties to end
violations against civilians. Nor, | 2:36:09 | 2:36:13 | |
to set out a revive closed peace
process, and the widespread | 2:36:13 | 2:36:20 | |
recognition at 22-16 constitutes a
barrier to a realistic political | 2:36:20 | 2:36:25 | |
process. The UK did not even descend
on a draft UN Security Council | 2:36:25 | 2:36:30 | |
statement, circulated by Egypt,
which failed entirely to mention the | 2:36:30 | 2:36:33 | |
dire impact of the blockade. This
silence is shameful, Madam Deputy | 2:36:33 | 2:36:38 | |
Speaker. It lets down the Yemenis
and threatens our position on the UN | 2:36:38 | 2:36:45 | |
Security Council as other nations
fill the void left by our abdication | 2:36:45 | 2:36:49 | |
of leadership. The senseless death
of millions is not the only risk. By | 2:36:49 | 2:36:54 | |
tightening the noose around a
starving nation, Saudi Arabia is | 2:36:54 | 2:36:58 | |
fuelling the propaganda machines of
the very opponents it wishes to | 2:36:58 | 2:37:02 | |
vanquish. More than the collective
punishment of the Yemenis, it is | 2:37:02 | 2:37:05 | |
self harm on a grand scale. When I
went to northern Yemen, I visited a | 2:37:05 | 2:37:13 | |
school which had been bombed by the
Saudi air force. Children were being | 2:37:13 | 2:37:19 | |
taught inside of tents and buy
textbooks largely financed by the | 2:37:19 | 2:37:23 | |
British taxpayer. Children began to
chant in the way children doing our | 2:37:23 | 2:37:30 | |
primary schools, with nursery
rhymes. The translator told me that | 2:37:30 | 2:37:33 | |
they were chanting "Death to the
Saudis and Americans". But in | 2:37:33 | 2:37:37 | |
deference to my visit, they omitted
the third country on their list. So | 2:37:37 | 2:37:44 | |
far from helping to make Saudi
Arabian borders safer and | 2:37:44 | 2:37:48 | |
diminishing the threat of
international terrorism, we are | 2:37:48 | 2:37:52 | |
radicalising an entire generation of
Yemeni young people whose hatred of | 2:37:52 | 2:37:56 | |
asked for what we are doing to them
and their country may well translate | 2:37:56 | 2:38:00 | |
into a potent recruitment tool for,
I will give way in a moment, for | 2:38:00 | 2:38:08 | |
international terrorism. Every
action of the Saudis currently | 2:38:08 | 2:38:13 | |
bolsters and serves the narrative of
Saudi Arabia's enemies who want | 2:38:13 | 2:38:17 | |
Saudi Arabia to be seen as the
oppressor so that they win the | 2:38:17 | 2:38:20 | |
support of the general population. I
give way to the right honourable | 2:38:20 | 2:38:24 | |
gentleman who leads for the
all-party group on Yemen. | 2:38:24 | 2:38:31 | |
I am most grateful to the right
honourable gentleman forgiving way. | 2:38:31 | 2:38:35 | |
Can I congratulate him for securing
this very important debate. He was | 2:38:35 | 2:38:39 | |
present at the meeting earlier this
week when we heard from the Saudi | 2:38:39 | 2:38:43 | |
Arabian Foreign Minister and he
would have heard him say that the | 2:38:43 | 2:38:46 | |
Saudi Arabian government does not
believe this war can be won. What is | 2:38:46 | 2:38:51 | |
the point of continuing with the war
that cannot be won? I turn now | 2:38:51 | 2:39:00 | |
directly to the position of Saudi
Arabia whose impressive Foreign | 2:39:00 | 2:39:03 | |
Minister generously came to the
House of Commons on Tuesday this | 2:39:03 | 2:39:07 | |
week as the right honourable
gentleman has said to speak to the | 2:39:07 | 2:39:10 | |
all-party group. During the course
of the conversation, the right | 2:39:10 | 2:39:15 | |
honourable gentleman the member for
Leicester and I were pretty | 2:39:15 | 2:39:18 | |
forthright and they asked for advice
making clear that Saudi Arabia had | 2:39:18 | 2:39:22 | |
not fought any of this nature
before. My advice is as follows. | 2:39:22 | 2:39:27 | |
There must be an immediate end to
this appalling blockades. Of course | 2:39:27 | 2:39:31 | |
working with the UN the Saudis are
within their rights to search | 2:39:31 | 2:39:36 | |
transport for weapons but they
cannot impound unobstructed vessels | 2:39:36 | 2:39:40 | |
carrying vital food and medical
supplies. There are currently 26 | 2:39:40 | 2:39:45 | |
ships cleared by the UN which the
Saudis are refusing to allow to be | 2:39:45 | 2:39:48 | |
off-loaded. If the Saudis have
doubts about the effectiveness of | 2:39:48 | 2:39:54 | |
inspection that must be part of it
but there must be an immediate | 2:39:54 | 2:39:59 | |
ceasefire and a return to the
invigorated and inclusive peace | 2:39:59 | 2:40:03 | |
talks, a new Security Council
resolution is long overdue. It is | 2:40:03 | 2:40:08 | |
widely recognised that Security
Council resolution 22 as an | 2:40:08 | 2:40:12 | |
anachronism that constitutes a
barrier to any peace process and | 2:40:12 | 2:40:16 | |
there can be no preconditions by
either side. The Houthis add-in | 2:40:16 | 2:40:21 | |
control and they will not be easily
shifted and certainly not by an air | 2:40:21 | 2:40:27 | |
campaign which they after they
consolidate support for them on the | 2:40:27 | 2:40:30 | |
ground and directs the hatred of the
local population to those dropping | 2:40:30 | 2:40:33 | |
bombs on them. Nor did the Houthis
started as allies of the Iranians. | 2:40:33 | 2:40:41 | |
In a legion with my enemy 's enemy
is my friend it is not hard to | 2:40:41 | 2:40:49 | |
understand why the Houthis look to
run although given the blockaded is | 2:40:49 | 2:40:53 | |
not easy for a run to arm the
Houthis in any significant way. The | 2:40:53 | 2:41:01 | |
prolonging of the conflict and the
resulting cost to Saudi Arabia in | 2:41:01 | 2:41:05 | |
regional instability is a gift to
Iran. My right honourable friend is | 2:41:05 | 2:41:15 | |
making an extremely powerful point
on the nature of the Houthis | 2:41:15 | 2:41:19 | |
armament but would you accept the
desserts that point very clearly to | 2:41:19 | 2:41:22 | |
the weapons that have come have come
through Yemen and are being used | 2:41:22 | 2:41:28 | |
against Saudi Arabia. Although he
makes the valid point that this is | 2:41:28 | 2:41:31 | |
only encouraging such violence,
would he not also accept that | 2:41:31 | 2:41:37 | |
Teheran is wilfully undermining and
destroying and Arabs date to use it | 2:41:37 | 2:41:45 | |
as a proxy against Saudi Arabia --
Arab states. A blockade of weapons | 2:41:45 | 2:41:52 | |
coming in from any country, I am
condemning without resolution a | 2:41:52 | 2:41:58 | |
blockade which is likely to lead to
the famine and death of very large | 2:41:58 | 2:42:05 | |
numbers of people. The price for the
kingdom of Saudi Arabia continuing | 2:42:05 | 2:42:08 | |
on its current path will be certain
failure and utter humiliation both | 2:42:08 | 2:42:14 | |
in the region and more widely. The
clock is ticking, already in Yemen a | 2:42:14 | 2:42:19 | |
child dies every ten minutes. Yemen
is a time bomb is threatening | 2:42:19 | 2:42:25 | |
international peace and security.
Our failure to denounce these crimes | 2:42:25 | 2:42:29 | |
and use our leveraged to stop them
condemns millions of Yemenis to | 2:42:29 | 2:42:33 | |
death in the future, shying away
from demanding compliance by all to | 2:42:33 | 2:42:40 | |
the international rules -based order
that we in Britain helped take it | 2:42:40 | 2:42:45 | |
also weakens a strained system that
keeps British citizens said. British | 2:42:45 | 2:42:50 | |
policy is riddled with internal
inconsistencies. Well one wing is | 2:42:50 | 2:42:55 | |
desperately trying to get entry into
the ports, for a vital food and | 2:42:55 | 2:43:00 | |
fuel, another limb is assisting with
the blockade and targeting of | 2:43:00 | 2:43:05 | |
attacks. One limb supports the
election of new claims title for | 2:43:05 | 2:43:11 | |
unloading essential supplies and
another supports the destruction of | 2:43:11 | 2:43:14 | |
those cranes. I am grateful to the
right honourable gentleman for doing | 2:43:14 | 2:43:20 | |
an excellent job explaining some of
the background to this conflict but | 2:43:20 | 2:43:23 | |
I will not have them stand in the
House of Commons and see that the | 2:43:23 | 2:43:28 | |
House of Commons is involved in the
targeting of weaponry being used by | 2:43:28 | 2:43:31 | |
the coalition. That is just not true
and I would like him to withdraw it. | 2:43:31 | 2:43:37 | |
If my late honourable friend will
give me an undertaking that it is | 2:43:37 | 2:43:40 | |
totally untrue that any serving
British officer has been engaged | 2:43:40 | 2:43:43 | |
with the targeting centre in any
part of Saudi Arabia to try and | 2:43:43 | 2:43:49 | |
assist in ensuring that the
targeting is better made, if he will | 2:43:49 | 2:43:53 | |
give me that undertaking then of
course I will withdraw my remark. | 2:43:53 | 2:43:59 | |
British personnel are there to
observe in relation to international | 2:43:59 | 2:44:05 | |
humanitarian law what is happening
so they can be part of the process | 2:44:05 | 2:44:08 | |
to make sure international
humanitarian law is adhered to. They | 2:44:08 | 2:44:13 | |
are not part of the operational
process, they're not under command | 2:44:13 | 2:44:16 | |
to do that and they're not taking
part in the targeting or in anything | 2:44:16 | 2:44:20 | |
like that and have not been so. Just
be absolutely clear what my right | 2:44:20 | 2:44:26 | |
honourable friend is the House of
Commons today, there's no question | 2:44:26 | 2:44:31 | |
of any serving British officer being
engaged in obstructing and | 2:44:31 | 2:44:35 | |
assisting, certainly to ensure that
international humanitarian law is | 2:44:35 | 2:44:41 | |
observed, with the programme of
targeting that is being carried out | 2:44:41 | 2:44:44 | |
by the Saudi air force? If he gives
me that undertaking I am happy to | 2:44:44 | 2:44:50 | |
withdraw that very specific point. I
have never called for an arms | 2:44:50 | 2:44:58 | |
embargo because the kingdom is
surrounded by enemies and is very | 2:44:58 | 2:45:01 | |
wealthy. Saudi Arabia is absolutely
entitled to defend itself and we are | 2:45:01 | 2:45:06 | |
entitled to sell them weapons so
long as we do so in accordance with | 2:45:06 | 2:45:11 | |
one of the strictest licensing
regimes in the world. We may also | 2:45:11 | 2:45:15 | |
have some influence we can exercise
to ensure weapons are used in | 2:45:15 | 2:45:19 | |
accordance with the rules of war. I
cannot help observing that British | 2:45:19 | 2:45:24 | |
munitions are causing destruction
and misery in Yemen which the other | 2:45:24 | 2:45:28 | |
limb of the British government I
referred to earlier is seeking to | 2:45:28 | 2:45:33 | |
staunch the aid and assistance paid
for by the British taxpayer. I have | 2:45:33 | 2:45:36 | |
no doubt that the British Prime
Minister will use every British | 2:45:36 | 2:45:42 | |
political and economic security
argument available to her on her | 2:45:42 | 2:45:44 | |
current visit to the Middle East to
persuade the Saudis of the moral and | 2:45:44 | 2:45:49 | |
strategic failure of the strategy
they are pursuing in Yemen. I firmly | 2:45:49 | 2:45:54 | |
hope the lifting of the blockade in
Yemen will be the number one | 2:45:54 | 2:45:58 | |
priority on her visit. We must use
every inch of our leveraged, | 2:45:58 | 2:46:03 | |
diplomatic, political and economic,
to demonstrate to our allies they | 2:46:03 | 2:46:07 | |
have more to gain from peace than a
fruitless military strategy that is | 2:46:07 | 2:46:12 | |
exacerbating the world's largest
humanitarian catastrophe and | 2:46:12 | 2:46:17 | |
undermining the international rules
-based order that keeps us all safe. | 2:46:17 | 2:46:26 | |
I am very grateful for giving way
again. Given that the United | 2:46:26 | 2:46:32 | |
Nations's panel and experts in
Yemen's final report found that the | 2:46:32 | 2:46:39 | |
coalition constructed the strikes in
violation of international | 2:46:39 | 2:46:42 | |
humanitarian law and given the
criteria of rules governing arms | 2:46:42 | 2:46:49 | |
sales, isn't that about every
problem if the UK Government doesn't | 2:46:49 | 2:46:53 | |
pause those sales, which is what I
called for when I was occupying the | 2:46:53 | 2:46:58 | |
position of Shadow Foreign
Secretary, since we have an | 2:46:58 | 2:47:02 | |
obligation to see those claims
investigated, otherwise isn't there | 2:47:02 | 2:47:04 | |
a risk that those sales are in
breach of our own rules? I agree | 2:47:04 | 2:47:11 | |
that it is important that these
incidents are investigated and that | 2:47:11 | 2:47:18 | |
the ad investigated impartially
because otherwise the investigation | 2:47:18 | 2:47:19 | |
will carry no credence. I have
completed my remarks that I was | 2:47:19 | 2:47:26 | |
going to make today. It is just
worth adding the point that I have | 2:47:26 | 2:47:32 | |
steered away from our debate on an
arms embargo because I think it | 2:47:32 | 2:47:36 | |
takes a variety of the critical role
to date which is that we must have | 2:47:36 | 2:47:41 | |
an end for humanitarian reasons and
reasons for international | 2:47:41 | 2:47:44 | |
humanitarian law to this blockade.
The question is that this house has | 2:47:44 | 2:47:52 | |
considered the current situation in
Yemen. Thank you, I am very grateful | 2:47:52 | 2:47:59 | |
to the speaker for granting this
debate. May begin by congratulating | 2:47:59 | 2:48:04 | |
the right honourable member for
Sutton Coldfield on securing this | 2:48:04 | 2:48:07 | |
debate with a speech that was
nothing less than a tour de force | 2:48:07 | 2:48:11 | |
and I congratulate him and I mean
it. What we're talking about has | 2:48:11 | 2:48:18 | |
been widely recognised as the
world's biggest humanitarian crisis | 2:48:18 | 2:48:21 | |
and it threatens to become one of
the worst such crises for decades | 2:48:21 | 2:48:27 | |
and sort seems to me that an
emergency debate in the | 2:48:27 | 2:48:30 | |
circumstances is more than
appropriate and it is regrettable in | 2:48:30 | 2:48:34 | |
many ways that this house is not
packed. The war in Yemen has been | 2:48:34 | 2:48:40 | |
called on too many occasions a
forgotten war and indeed it is. The | 2:48:40 | 2:48:44 | |
role we play and it is an important
one and one that these to be more | 2:48:44 | 2:48:48 | |
widely acknowledged. Since the
statement on the crisis ten days ago | 2:48:48 | 2:48:55 | |
it is welcome that we have some
partial easing of the blockade on | 2:48:55 | 2:49:00 | |
ports and airports to some
consignments of food and medical | 2:49:00 | 2:49:03 | |
supplies to be brought into rebel
held areas, but as has been said by | 2:49:03 | 2:49:07 | |
the member for Sutton Coldfield, it
is not nearly enough to address the | 2:49:07 | 2:49:12 | |
scale of the humanitarian needs,
hundreds of thousands of entirely | 2:49:12 | 2:49:17 | |
innocent children are still facing
death over the coming weeks due to | 2:49:17 | 2:49:21 | |
malnutrition and disease. If they
don't get the food, clean water and | 2:49:21 | 2:49:26 | |
medical supplies they need to
survive, and get them in the | 2:49:26 | 2:49:31 | |
quantities required, we know what
will happen. And for those children | 2:49:31 | 2:49:34 | |
to get the relief they need, all
parties must be willing to do | 2:49:34 | 2:49:38 | |
whatever it takes, including the
complete cessation of violence, the | 2:49:38 | 2:49:43 | |
film lifting of the blockades, the
of humanitarian corridors overland | 2:49:43 | 2:49:48 | |
in the guaranteeing of safe passages
for aid convoys, so I hope the | 2:49:48 | 2:49:54 | |
Minister of State will be able to
update us today on what is being | 2:49:54 | 2:49:56 | |
done to achieve those ends. We all
understand the backdrop to this | 2:49:56 | 2:50:02 | |
current crisis. We understand the
anger of the Saudi government at the | 2:50:02 | 2:50:06 | |
filing of a ballistic missile at the
own country by the Houthis Revels on | 2:50:06 | 2:50:13 | |
the 4th of November and all of us on
the side of the House unequivocally | 2:50:13 | 2:50:18 | |
condemn in the same way we condemn
the Saudi air strike on the first N | 2:50:18 | 2:50:24 | |
which killed 31 people including six
children at a market. Both sides are | 2:50:24 | 2:50:32 | |
guilty of attacking civilians, both
sides should be equally condemned | 2:50:32 | 2:50:34 | |
for doing so, and in due course both
sides should be held to account for | 2:50:34 | 2:50:41 | |
any violations of international
humanitarian law. Following the | 2:50:41 | 2:50:45 | |
Houthis missile strike, the Saudis
strengthened their blockade of old | 2:50:45 | 2:50:52 | |
rebel held areas of Yemen and as a
result what little supplies were | 2:50:52 | 2:50:59 | |
food, medicine and other
humanitarian goods were chalked off | 2:50:59 | 2:51:01 | |
for at least three and remained just
as an adequate trickle today. -- | 2:51:01 | 2:51:11 | |
inadequate. That damage done to
those already facing severe | 2:51:11 | 2:51:15 | |
malnutrition and a cholera epidemic
and an outbreak of diphtheria will, | 2:51:15 | 2:51:20 | |
as the UN has said, be measured in
the lives lost. As the world health | 2:51:20 | 2:51:25 | |
programme, world food programme and
Unicef made clear, the tightening of | 2:51:25 | 2:51:30 | |
the blockade has made an already
catastrophic situation for worse. | 2:51:30 | 2:51:36 | |
They concluded that to deprive this
many from the basic means of | 2:51:36 | 2:51:40 | |
survival is an unconscionable act
and a violation of humanitarian | 2:51:40 | 2:51:46 | |
principles and law. And in that
context I must go back to the | 2:51:46 | 2:51:51 | |
question that was asked by my right
honourable friend the member for | 2:51:51 | 2:51:56 | |
Leeds North ten days ago, how does
the government view this month's | 2:51:56 | 2:52:01 | |
blockade as compatible with
international humanitarian law? A | 2:52:01 | 2:52:03 | |
body of law that clearly states the
starvation of civilian populations | 2:52:03 | 2:52:08 | |
cannot be used as a weapon of war
and any blockade is established for | 2:52:08 | 2:52:13 | |
military purposes must allow a
civilian population access to the | 2:52:13 | 2:52:18 | |
food and other essential supplies
that they need to live. | 2:52:18 | 2:52:26 | |
The situation, obviously, in Yemen,
is catastrophic. Would she not agree | 2:52:26 | 2:52:32 | |
that the main component of that is
the collapse of the economic system | 2:52:32 | 2:52:34 | |
within Yemen? However we got here,
it cannot be made better with a | 2:52:34 | 2:52:46 | |
blockade and millions of starving
children. It is my view and indeed I | 2:52:46 | 2:52:50 | |
believe the view of this house that
the blockade should be lifted and | 2:52:50 | 2:52:53 | |
that we should and must find a peace
process and a way of moving sides | 2:52:53 | 2:53:01 | |
apart and allowing these children to
survive over the winter. So, when a | 2:53:01 | 2:53:07 | |
tactic of surrender or survive is
used, when it was used by the | 2:53:07 | 2:53:13 | |
president aside in Syria, the
Foreign Secretary was quite happy to | 2:53:13 | 2:53:16 | |
condemn it that he has uttered not a
single word of criticism when the | 2:53:16 | 2:53:21 | |
same tactic has been used by his
friend, Crown Prince alarm of Saudi | 2:53:21 | 2:53:26 | |
Arabia, the architect of the Yemen
conflict, or as they like to call | 2:53:26 | 2:53:33 | |
him "A remarkable young man". Let me
ask specifically that while the | 2:53:33 | 2:53:37 | |
blockade was fully in place over the
last three weeks, apparently in | 2:53:37 | 2:53:42 | |
clear breach of international
humanitarian law, were any export | 2:53:42 | 2:53:46 | |
licences granted for the sale of
arms from the UK to the Saudi led | 2:53:46 | 2:53:49 | |
coalition? And when my honourable
friend and colleague raised this | 2:53:49 | 2:53:54 | |
issue last week, the Ministry of
State -- Minister of State seem to | 2:53:54 | 2:53:59 | |
indicate that the blockade was
justified, because of the smuggling | 2:53:59 | 2:54:04 | |
of missiles to the Houthi rebels but
I ask why he disagrees with the | 2:54:04 | 2:54:11 | |
confidential briefing. And
circulated on the 10th of November. | 2:54:11 | 2:54:17 | |
That briefing has been referred to
already but let me quote from it | 2:54:17 | 2:54:20 | |
again. The panel finds that
imposition of access restrictions is | 2:54:20 | 2:54:25 | |
another attempt by the Saudi
coalition to use resolution to 216 | 2:54:25 | 2:54:30 | |
as justification for obstructing the
delivery of commodities that are | 2:54:30 | 2:54:35 | |
essentially civilian in nature. They
go on to say that while the Houthis | 2:54:35 | 2:54:43 | |
undoubtably | 2:54:43 | 2:54:46 | |
possessed ballistics missiles, there
have been none seem transferred by | 2:54:51 | 2:54:57 | |
external sources. If they disagree
with that assessment, and I | 2:54:57 | 2:55:00 | |
understand that he does, could he
stayed the evidence upon which he | 2:55:00 | 2:55:04 | |
does so? Will he undertake to share
that evidence with a UN panel of | 2:55:04 | 2:55:09 | |
experts, but if there is no such
evidence, I ask him again. How can | 2:55:09 | 2:55:14 | |
the blockade be justified from the
perspective of international | 2:55:14 | 2:55:17 | |
humanitarian law? And how can the
government justify telling Saudi | 2:55:17 | 2:55:23 | |
Arabia selling Saudi Arabia the arms
that were used to enforce that | 2:55:23 | 2:55:27 | |
blockade? Mr Deputy Speaker, we know
that even if the blockade of Yemen's | 2:55:27 | 2:55:35 | |
ports is indeed permanently lifted,
the civilian population of Yemen | 2:55:35 | 2:55:39 | |
will continue to suffer as long as
the conflict carries on. The Only | 2:55:39 | 2:55:44 | |
Way Is Essex and will end is through
a lasting ceasefire and political | 2:55:44 | 2:55:48 | |
agreement. As the whole house knows,
it is the UK's ordained role to | 2:55:48 | 2:55:52 | |
actors pen holder for a UN ceasefire
resolution on Yemen. It's a matter I | 2:55:52 | 2:55:59 | |
have raised many times in this house
and I raise it again today. It's now | 2:55:59 | 2:56:03 | |
been one year and one month since
Britain's ambassador to the UN Mafi | 2:56:03 | 2:56:09 | |
Rycroft circulated Britain's draft
resolution, two other members of the | 2:56:09 | 2:56:14 | |
UN Security Council and this is what
he said. "We Have decided to put | 2:56:14 | 2:56:21 | |
forward a resolution calling for the
immediate cessation of hostilities | 2:56:21 | 2:56:24 | |
and a resumption of the political
process." That was a year and a | 2:56:24 | 2:56:29 | |
month ago and the resolution has
still not been presented. One year | 2:56:29 | 2:56:34 | |
and one month. When no progress has
been made towards peace, when the | 2:56:34 | 2:56:38 | |
conflict has continued to escalate
and the humanitarian crisis has | 2:56:38 | 2:56:42 | |
become the worst in the world. Of
other can I thank her very much for | 2:56:42 | 2:56:50 | |
what she is saying, 12 months have
elapsed since the promise of a | 2:56:50 | 2:56:56 | |
resolution before the United
Nations. The meeting of the Quint | 2:56:56 | 2:56:59 | |
was last night in London. The
Foreign Secretary tweeted a | 2:56:59 | 2:57:04 | |
photograph of himself with those
participating but there is no | 2:57:04 | 2:57:08 | |
timetable. Does she agree with me,
that these meetings are meaningless | 2:57:08 | 2:57:12 | |
without it timetable for peace, with
all of the parties at the table at | 2:57:12 | 2:57:16 | |
the same time? By right honourable
friend is quite right. Mafi Rycroft, | 2:57:16 | 2:57:30 | |
he says now, he says the political
track is that a dead-end. There is | 2:57:30 | 2:57:34 | |
no meaningful political process
going on. If we are wrong about | 2:57:34 | 2:57:40 | |
that, we would be very grateful for
reassurance from the ministers to. | 2:57:40 | 2:57:44 | |
But we have been waiting, and
waiting. And children are dying. We | 2:57:44 | 2:57:49 | |
have to do something about it. We
are bound to ask, for example, what | 2:57:49 | 2:57:55 | |
has happened to the draft
resolution? Why has it been killed | 2:57:55 | 2:57:59 | |
off? Has it been killed off? Is it,
as the Saudi ambassador to the UN | 2:57:59 | 2:58:06 | |
said, when he was first asked about
the draft resolution this time last | 2:58:06 | 2:58:12 | |
year, he said "There is a continuous
and joint agreement with Britain | 2:58:12 | 2:58:16 | |
concerning the draft resolution and
whether there is a need for it or | 2:58:16 | 2:58:20 | |
not. Now, we must ask the Minister
of the, is that continuous and in | 2:58:20 | 2:58:26 | |
joint agreement with the Saudi
Arabia still in place? And, if so, | 2:58:26 | 2:58:32 | |
why has it never been disclosed to
the house? The fear is that Saudi | 2:58:32 | 2:58:38 | |
Arabia does not want a ceasefire.
There is no ceasefire in negotiating | 2:58:38 | 2:58:43 | |
a peace, not when Crown Prince
Salman believes that rebellion can | 2:58:43 | 2:58:49 | |
still be crushed, no matter the
humanitarian cost, and if he does | 2:58:49 | 2:58:53 | |
believe that, are we really to
accept that the UK Government is | 2:58:53 | 2:58:57 | |
going along with that judgment? I
know that the Minister is a will, of | 2:58:57 | 2:59:03 | |
course, point to the peace where
they say that this is evidence to | 2:59:03 | 2:59:12 | |
move the political process forward.
But, Mr Deputy Speaker, when the | 2:59:12 | 2:59:17 | |
only participants in the peace for
our Saudi Arabia, two of its allies | 2:59:17 | 2:59:21 | |
and two of the countries supplying
most of the arms, that is not a | 2:59:21 | 2:59:26 | |
peace Forum, if I may respectfully
suggest, but far from being a peace | 2:59:26 | 2:59:30 | |
Forum, it is a council of war. What
we really need, what we urgently | 2:59:30 | 2:59:35 | |
need, and what we have needed for
more than one year and a month, is | 2:59:35 | 2:59:39 | |
the moral and political force which
comes from a UN Security Council | 2:59:39 | 2:59:46 | |
resolution obliging all parties to
cease hostilities. Obliging all | 2:59:46 | 2:59:52 | |
parties to allow humanitarian
relief, and obliging all parties to | 2:59:52 | 2:59:57 | |
work towards a political solution.
And, in closing, can I ask the | 2:59:57 | 3:00:02 | |
Minister of State, how much longer
do we have two weight? When will the | 3:00:02 | 3:00:08 | |
government finally bring forward the
resolution, and if the answer to | 3:00:08 | 3:00:13 | |
that is that because of opposition
from the Saudis and the Americans, | 3:00:13 | 3:00:16 | |
that they will never present a
resolution, do they not at least owe | 3:00:16 | 3:00:22 | |
it to the fellow members of the UN
Security Council and indeed to the | 3:00:22 | 3:00:27 | |
members of this house. And indeed to
the children of Yemen, to admit that | 3:00:27 | 3:00:32 | |
the role of pen holder on Yemen is
no longer a role that they can, in | 3:00:32 | 3:00:39 | |
good conscience, occupy? They should
pass on the role the role of | 3:00:39 | 3:00:43 | |
drafting a resolution to another
country which is less joint at the | 3:00:43 | 3:00:46 | |
hip to be Crown Prince Salman and
President Donald Trump, and let me | 3:00:46 | 3:00:53 | |
close by quitting my honourable
friend the Leader of the Opposition | 3:00:53 | 3:00:56 | |
in his last letter to the Prime
Minister on the subject of Yemen. He | 3:00:56 | 3:01:00 | |
said while the immediate priority
should be humanitarian assistance, | 3:01:00 | 3:01:04 | |
it is time the government takes
immediate steps to play its part in | 3:01:04 | 3:01:08 | |
ending the suffering of the Yemeni
people, and ending its support of | 3:01:08 | 3:01:12 | |
the Saudi coalition 's conduct in
the war, and taking appropriate | 3:01:12 | 3:01:17 | |
action through the UN. To bring the
conflict to a peaceful and | 3:01:17 | 3:01:24 | |
negotiated resolution. They are
three tests on whether the | 3:01:24 | 3:01:27 | |
government is willing to take action
today and I hope by the end of this | 3:01:27 | 3:01:30 | |
emergency debate we will have an
indication of whether they are going | 3:01:30 | 3:01:33 | |
to take that action or whether it is
just going to be more of the same. | 3:01:33 | 3:01:43 | |
Thank you, Mr Deputy Speaker. I am
grateful to my right honourable | 3:01:43 | 3:01:50 | |
member the member for Sutton
Coldfield for securing the | 3:01:50 | 3:01:52 | |
opportunity to discuss what we all
understand to be a significant | 3:01:52 | 3:01:57 | |
humanitarian crisis in Yemen. I
appreciate that he then agriculture | 3:01:57 | 3:02:02 | |
visited Yemen earlier this year and
has a deep and passionate knowledge | 3:02:02 | 3:02:05 | |
of the situation. There are a number
of things to get through in terms of | 3:02:05 | 3:02:10 | |
questions that have come up but let
me start with the issue that tends | 3:02:10 | 3:02:15 | |
to be most neglected, the origins of
the conflict. We seem to start these | 3:02:15 | 3:02:19 | |
debates partway through and although
I will get to the questions raised, | 3:02:19 | 3:02:23 | |
I think it is important to set out
the background because it explains | 3:02:23 | 3:02:28 | |
the complexity with which a number
of members have approached the | 3:02:28 | 3:02:32 | |
issue, because it isn't quite as
clear-cut as some suggest. The | 3:02:32 | 3:02:37 | |
causes of the conflict are numerous
and complex, since unification in | 3:02:37 | 3:02:42 | |
1990, Yemen has suffered internal
power struggles, and rest and terror | 3:02:42 | 3:02:47 | |
attacks. After a year of protest in
2011, the 33 year rule transferred | 3:02:47 | 3:02:53 | |
as part of the unity government
broke -- brokered with regional | 3:02:53 | 3:03:00 | |
support. It was the opportunity for
a democratic future but tragically | 3:03:00 | 3:03:05 | |
the opportunity was lost when the
Houthi insurgency movement, claimed | 3:03:05 | 3:03:08 | |
to have been excluded from the
National dialogue process, sought to | 3:03:08 | 3:03:12 | |
take power through violence. In
September 2014, rebels took the | 3:03:12 | 3:03:17 | |
capital with force, forcing the
president to flee. President Hardy, | 3:03:17 | 3:03:26 | |
he is the internationally recognised
leader of the government of Yemen | 3:03:26 | 3:03:28 | |
and he requested help from the Saudi
government coalition. Backed by the | 3:03:28 | 3:03:34 | |
coalition and the Houthis and allies
backed by President Soller, so far | 3:03:34 | 3:03:39 | |
has lasted 1000 days. Attacks
carried out by Al-Qaeda, Daesh and | 3:03:39 | 3:03:45 | |
non-state groups against the Yemeni
people, using ungoverned space where | 3:03:45 | 3:03:51 | |
Yemen has been in the past and
threaten to become again. The impact | 3:03:51 | 3:03:55 | |
of conflict and terrorism on the
Yemeni people has been devastating. | 3:03:55 | 3:04:00 | |
Let me read a letter sent to the
house today from the ambassador to | 3:04:00 | 3:04:04 | |
the Republic of Yemen to the United
Kingdom. He says, I represent the | 3:04:04 | 3:04:09 | |
government of Yemen which came to
power after the popular overthrow | 3:04:09 | 3:04:12 | |
after the former popular dictator.
It is mandated and constitutionally | 3:04:12 | 3:04:21 | |
legitimate, driven by Houthi
militias, and the Arab coalition is | 3:04:21 | 3:04:27 | |
in Yemen at our request, to restore
constitutional government and | 3:04:27 | 3:04:32 | |
reverse the Houthi coup, actions
which undermine that coalition | 3:04:32 | 3:04:35 | |
undermine us. In the last two weeks,
the Houthis added extra taxes and | 3:04:35 | 3:04:40 | |
custom points which increase prices
in areas under their control by more | 3:04:40 | 3:04:45 | |
than 100%. The Yemeni government
sell a gallon of petrol in cities | 3:04:45 | 3:04:53 | |
under government control, but in
Houthi controlled areas it costs | 3:04:53 | 3:05:00 | |
much less. The prices of wheat and
flour cost much less. These areas | 3:05:00 | 3:05:06 | |
are under siege, preventing anything
from going in. Last week, an entire | 3:05:06 | 3:05:15 | |
family were executed at the hands of
Houthi and men. We have an | 3:05:15 | 3:05:20 | |
obligation, the ambassador says, as
a government to protect our | 3:05:20 | 3:05:23 | |
citizens. I start there because all
too often that side of the | 3:05:23 | 3:05:27 | |
discussion is just not raced at all.
I take credit -- I paid credit to my | 3:05:27 | 3:05:33 | |
right honourable friend for saying
there are two sides to this because | 3:05:33 | 3:05:39 | |
it is important to understand what
is going on there and what is to be | 3:05:39 | 3:05:46 | |
prevented and stopped by a coalition
acting in support of a legitimate UN | 3:05:46 | 3:05:50 | |
mandated government. That brings us
to the situation which we can | 3:05:50 | 3:05:57 | |
discuss in terms of our role and
what is happening at present. You | 3:05:57 | 3:06:06 | |
make a very valid point but isn't
its validity of reinforced by the | 3:06:06 | 3:06:11 | |
point that the house should uphold
the law of a democratic government, | 3:06:11 | 3:06:15 | |
as well as trying to bring peace and
alleviate the situation, of the | 3:06:15 | 3:06:20 | |
humanitarian crisis in Yemen? And,
yes, the honourable gentleman is | 3:06:20 | 3:06:26 | |
right. Absolutely, the role of the
United Kingdom is to do what it can | 3:06:26 | 3:06:31 | |
in these circumstances. Firstly to
address the urgency of this | 3:06:31 | 3:06:39 | |
humanitarian situation but there is
a point here which is seen to be | 3:06:39 | 3:06:42 | |
missed. A legitimate government
fighting against an insurgency has | 3:06:42 | 3:06:48 | |
been joined by others, and that is
the basis of the conflict. The | 3:06:48 | 3:06:54 | |
United Kingdom has been, I think,
the part of the debate up to date | 3:06:54 | 3:06:57 | |
that I find up until now, by my
honourable friend in the member | 3:06:57 | 3:07:05 | |
upset about the UK's role and what
we have been trying to do, whereas I | 3:07:05 | 3:07:10 | |
am well aware from the time that I
have been back in the office in the | 3:07:10 | 3:07:13 | |
summer and what was done before,
significant efforts made by the | 3:07:13 | 3:07:17 | |
United Kingdom at the UN but
principally through the negotiation | 3:07:17 | 3:07:21 | |
process with the party's most
involved to try and bring things to | 3:07:21 | 3:07:25 | |
a conclusion and to do all we can in
relation to the humanitarian a fact. | 3:07:25 | 3:07:29 | |
Let me address the UK role in this
because it leaves me to talk about | 3:07:29 | 3:07:34 | |
some of the allegations made by my
right honourable friend and to make | 3:07:34 | 3:07:37 | |
clear what it is we do and don't.
Then I can address the humanitarian | 3:07:37 | 3:07:41 | |
situation if I may. | 3:07:41 | 3:07:51 | |
The Saudi led coalition responded to
the call. The United Kingdom is not | 3:07:51 | 3:07:57 | |
party to that conflict not a member
of the military coalition. They are | 3:07:57 | 3:08:00 | |
not involved in carrying out strikes
directed at operations in Yemen. | 3:08:00 | 3:08:05 | |
Royal air force and Royal Navy
liaison monitors monitor Saudi led | 3:08:05 | 3:08:11 | |
coalition movements and supply
information. The liaison officers | 3:08:11 | 3:08:17 | |
are not embedded personnel, not
involved in carrying out strikes, do | 3:08:17 | 3:08:20 | |
not direct to conduct operations and
are not involved in the Saudi led | 3:08:20 | 3:08:26 | |
coalition targeting decision-making
process. They remain under UK | 3:08:26 | 3:08:29 | |
command and control. Sensitive
information provided is used by the | 3:08:29 | 3:08:36 | |
headquarters and MOD officials when
providing advice on Saudi led | 3:08:36 | 3:08:38 | |
coalition capability and when
conducting analysis on incidents of | 3:08:38 | 3:08:43 | |
potential concern which results from
the Saudi led coalition in Yemen. | 3:08:43 | 3:08:50 | |
The operations director maintains a
database referred to as the tracker | 3:08:50 | 3:08:54 | |
which records incidents and
subsequent analysis. We are tracking | 3:08:54 | 3:08:59 | |
318 incidents of potential concern
and this is used to inform the MOD's | 3:08:59 | 3:09:03 | |
advice. I thank my right honourable
friend for allowing me to intervene. | 3:09:03 | 3:09:13 | |
I have visited the command and
control centre. It is true that | 3:09:13 | 3:09:19 | |
royal air force personnel are
present. They are not involved in | 3:09:19 | 3:09:21 | |
the targeting but when I spoke to
them, part of the role seemed to be | 3:09:21 | 3:09:25 | |
to try to help the Saudis and their
allies ensure that the rules of | 3:09:25 | 3:09:32 | |
engagement for such that minimum
casualties. The intention was to get | 3:09:32 | 3:09:39 | |
the rules of engagement as good as
their own and that seemed to be | 3:09:39 | 3:09:43 | |
something they were being quite
successful at when I was out there. | 3:09:43 | 3:09:48 | |
I am grateful for his personal
observations. My right honourable | 3:09:48 | 3:09:52 | |
friend also raised the issue of arms
control. Let me answer. The issue of | 3:09:52 | 3:10:00 | |
arms control. We have a rigorous
legal and parliamentary process but | 3:10:00 | 3:10:07 | |
making sure that international
humanitarian law has not breached is | 3:10:07 | 3:10:12 | |
clearly a vital part of that and the
information supplied, that is why | 3:10:12 | 3:10:15 | |
they are there, is crucial to try to
make sure that our international | 3:10:15 | 3:10:20 | |
obligations are observed. I will
give way. I am most grateful. This | 3:10:20 | 3:10:29 | |
debate above all is about the
humanitarian consequences and it is | 3:10:29 | 3:10:34 | |
clear, as the UN Secretary General
has said, that Saudi Arabia is in | 3:10:34 | 3:10:39 | |
breach not only of resolution 2216
but of international humanitarian | 3:10:39 | 3:10:42 | |
law. Can I say to my right
honourable friend who is a | 3:10:42 | 3:10:48 | |
long-standing personal friend, he
may be in danger of having misled | 3:10:48 | 3:10:50 | |
the House in his response to me
about the role of British | 3:10:50 | 3:10:54 | |
servicemen. Would he like to correct
the record and use this opportunity | 3:10:54 | 3:10:58 | |
to make very clear, because
otherwise what he said may be open | 3:10:58 | 3:11:05 | |
to misinterpretation? As I don't
quite know what bit of what I said | 3:11:05 | 3:11:10 | |
the right honourable gentleman is
referring to, I have read it the | 3:11:10 | 3:11:15 | |
details in relation to our work. I
cannot see anything different than | 3:11:15 | 3:11:20 | |
that I have said anything which he
thinks is wrong he can either | 3:11:20 | 3:11:23 | |
correct me know or at the end of the
debate is only as an opportunity to | 3:11:23 | 3:11:27 | |
say something else but I have put on
the record what situation is. If you | 3:11:27 | 3:11:33 | |
think that is misleading I am here
to be corrected but I am leaving out | 3:11:33 | 3:11:37 | |
what I think is the government's
position very clearly. I wonder if | 3:11:37 | 3:11:44 | |
the honourable gentleman to clarify
something which is always genuinely | 3:11:44 | 3:11:47 | |
confused me about the role of the
military in Saudi Arabia. The first | 3:11:47 | 3:11:55 | |
question, is there just one
targeting Centre resident connect | 3:11:55 | 3:11:57 | |
that is another in the South? Our
personnel involved in the south and | 3:11:57 | 3:12:02 | |
are there people from BAE Systems in
the South? If they are supposed to | 3:12:02 | 3:12:10 | |
be there to ensure international
human Italian law breached, what are | 3:12:10 | 3:12:13 | |
they doing? Are making sure
targeting is better but they are not | 3:12:13 | 3:12:19 | |
targeting? If they are making sure
targeting is better, how was it | 3:12:19 | 3:12:23 | |
there are so many civilian targets
that seemed to be hit? The answer to | 3:12:23 | 3:12:30 | |
the last part comes out through the
investigations that are done on | 3:12:30 | 3:12:33 | |
those incidents where there is
legitimate concern that there might | 3:12:33 | 3:12:40 | |
have been civilian casualties. That
is where information comes through. | 3:12:40 | 3:12:43 | |
This is a process that has been
begun by the coalition. They didn't | 3:12:43 | 3:12:49 | |
have this in place in the beginning.
We have provided advice in order to | 3:12:49 | 3:12:53 | |
give information to us about what
has happened but also to assist in | 3:12:53 | 3:12:58 | |
the process of ensuring that in the
targeting which the coalition | 3:12:58 | 3:13:04 | |
carries out it is legitimate
military targets, there are | 3:13:04 | 3:13:08 | |
thousands of places which are deemed
not to be targets. As in any sort of | 3:13:08 | 3:13:13 | |
conflict, one of the reasons why my
late honourable friend was safe, | 3:13:13 | 3:13:17 | |
indications as to where there should
not be attacks, and I believe we | 3:13:17 | 3:13:21 | |
have been part that process, to make
sure that the coalition understands | 3:13:21 | 3:13:27 | |
what the international rules of
engagement are. I cannot answer the | 3:13:27 | 3:13:30 | |
questions directly, I just don't
know the answer but I have noted | 3:13:30 | 3:13:34 | |
what the honourable lady has said
and will come back to that. I would | 3:13:34 | 3:13:38 | |
like to move on to the humanitarian,
but as always. Since the House | 3:13:38 | 3:13:46 | |
understands the government's
position to be that it does not feel | 3:13:46 | 3:13:49 | |
that there have been breaches of
international humanitarian law, | 3:13:49 | 3:13:53 | |
because otherwise it would have to
invoke the arms-control criteria, | 3:13:53 | 3:13:58 | |
and given that the United Nations
panel of experts I quoted earlier | 3:13:58 | 3:14:01 | |
was of the view that breaches of
international humanitarian law had | 3:14:01 | 3:14:04 | |
taken place, did he tell the House
what other sources of information | 3:14:04 | 3:14:09 | |
the government has drawn upon
enriching the conclusion it has and | 3:14:09 | 3:14:15 | |
does that include the view of the
military officers who are offering | 3:14:15 | 3:14:19 | |
the advice he has just described to
the House? Certainly, the | 3:14:19 | 3:14:28 | |
observations of those whose role it
is to see what is happening in order | 3:14:28 | 3:14:34 | |
to report on potential breaches
international humanitarian law are | 3:14:34 | 3:14:38 | |
clearly a vital part of that
process. There will be other more | 3:14:38 | 3:14:42 | |
sensitive information which I won't
go into but clearly there is a | 3:14:42 | 3:14:47 | |
process designed to give the
assurance to all of us that in a | 3:14:47 | 3:14:51 | |
difficult situation would we have
continued to support an ally under | 3:14:51 | 3:14:54 | |
attack from external sources,
engaged in an effort to restore the | 3:14:54 | 3:15:00 | |
legitimate government, that in doing
so, and to support such an effort, | 3:15:00 | 3:15:05 | |
we have done what is right to make
sure the lot is observed and | 3:15:05 | 3:15:11 | |
international humanitarian law is
observed. We have used all the | 3:15:11 | 3:15:14 | |
information made available to us so
we are sure of the circumstances. | 3:15:14 | 3:15:19 | |
Should that be challenged and it is
possible to challenge it through the | 3:15:19 | 3:15:22 | |
House and through the courts, then
the circumstances would change. If I | 3:15:22 | 3:15:28 | |
may, then I want to do with the
humanitarian side. I am so grateful. | 3:15:28 | 3:15:36 | |
The question that I asked as well, I
understand that perhaps some of the | 3:15:36 | 3:15:41 | |
information may be sensitive but is
the British government therefore any | 3:15:41 | 3:15:44 | |
position to share the information
they have that makes them so | 3:15:44 | 3:15:48 | |
confident there have been no
breaches of international | 3:15:48 | 3:15:51 | |
humanitarian law with the United
Nations panel of experts who seem to | 3:15:51 | 3:15:55 | |
be coming to a different conclusion.
The initial responsibility to | 3:15:55 | 3:16:02 | |
investigate any incidents relies
what the state involved and that is | 3:16:02 | 3:16:07 | |
what these investigations are. I
genuinely don't know the process of | 3:16:07 | 3:16:10 | |
transferring that information should
the UN request to see it but again I | 3:16:10 | 3:16:15 | |
will have an answer. I would like to
talk about both the blockade and the | 3:16:15 | 3:16:22 | |
humanitarian response. I am sorry, I
know that has been an instruction to | 3:16:22 | 3:16:27 | |
try to be tight but I will be as
tight on time as I can. Let me deal | 3:16:27 | 3:16:34 | |
with the issue of the restrictions
brought in after the missile attack | 3:16:34 | 3:16:41 | |
of the 4th of November. Let me deal
firstly with the issue of where that | 3:16:41 | 3:16:46 | |
has come from. The honourable lady
asked me again whether we disagreed | 3:16:46 | 3:16:50 | |
with the UN assessment and we do.
The reason we do that was a draft | 3:16:50 | 3:16:55 | |
assessment written time ago. I think
there's a possibility of a different | 3:16:55 | 3:17:02 | |
assessment being made by the UN
which is not yet public. The United | 3:17:02 | 3:17:07 | |
Kingdom is quite confident there is
sufficient evidence to indicate it | 3:17:07 | 3:17:10 | |
comes from an external source and
that it is not the honourable lady | 3:17:10 | 3:17:14 | |
and others can answer with a missile
that came from in Yemen but it is | 3:17:14 | 3:17:17 | |
quite clear to us that it came from
an external source so we disagree. | 3:17:17 | 3:17:31 | |
The response of the coalition in
terms of a direct attack was sharp | 3:17:32 | 3:17:36 | |
and severe. It wanted to be in a
position where it would protect | 3:17:36 | 3:17:42 | |
itself and in doing so produced the
restrictions on the ports in order | 3:17:42 | 3:17:46 | |
to control what was coming in. It is
the United Kingdom's clear position | 3:17:46 | 3:17:51 | |
where we don't disagree with what my
late honourable friend said and what | 3:17:51 | 3:17:54 | |
the honourable lady said. There is
an imperative to relieve those | 3:17:54 | 3:17:59 | |
restrictions and I'm not going to
dance on the head of the pen. If the | 3:17:59 | 3:18:03 | |
members want to call it a blockade
it is. What has to happen is that | 3:18:03 | 3:18:10 | |
has to be accessed both and
commercial supplies to get in in | 3:18:10 | 3:18:14 | |
order to feed the people. As my late
honourable friend said and the House | 3:18:14 | 3:18:18 | |
knows well, the vast amount that
comes in is not humanitarian aid but | 3:18:18 | 3:18:26 | |
ordinarily commercial stuff. We have
been clear from the beginning that | 3:18:26 | 3:18:31 | |
it was the United Kingdom's view
that they should be lifted and we | 3:18:31 | 3:18:34 | |
have maintained that consistently,
to be told that we have not done | 3:18:34 | 3:18:38 | |
enough is just wrong. As evidence of
some degree of success, as the House | 3:18:38 | 3:18:44 | |
knows there was some easing of the
restrictions. In a moment, but not | 3:18:44 | 3:18:50 | |
enough, and I will of course, but
let me finish this one bit. Just to | 3:18:50 | 3:18:58 | |
explain the current position.
Humanitarian and commercial vessels | 3:18:58 | 3:18:59 | |
are beginning to enter, this is an
update which I will be happy to let | 3:18:59 | 3:19:05 | |
the House have but it is either
update. Humanitarian and commercial | 3:19:05 | 3:19:09 | |
vessels are beginning to enter the
ports and since Sunday three vessels | 3:19:09 | 3:19:13 | |
have arrived and are being unloaded
including commercial vessels | 3:19:13 | 3:19:19 | |
carrying 5500 metric tonnes and
29,500 metric tonnes of wheat and | 3:19:19 | 3:19:24 | |
flour. One humanitarian vessel has
also arrived with supplies to | 3:19:24 | 3:19:29 | |
support 8 million people for one
month and 25,000 metric tonnes of | 3:19:29 | 3:19:35 | |
food. Approximately 23 vessels have
been cleared although not yet | 3:19:35 | 3:19:39 | |
permitted to unload. It is essential
they are permitted to unload and | 3:19:39 | 3:19:44 | |
they're making representations to
that effect. The fact there has been | 3:19:44 | 3:19:48 | |
some movement on this in response to
representations made by amongst | 3:19:48 | 3:19:52 | |
others the British government at the
highest level would indicate that | 3:19:52 | 3:19:56 | |
there is some listening going on to
the urgency of relieving the | 3:19:56 | 3:20:00 | |
humanitarian situation whilst at the
same time recognising the need for | 3:20:00 | 3:20:06 | |
security for those threatened by
missiles targeted at their | 3:20:06 | 3:20:09 | |
commercial airports. I will of
course give way. Can I thank the | 3:20:09 | 3:20:15 | |
Minister and welcome the fact he has
described this as a blockade. If the | 3:20:15 | 3:20:20 | |
blockade is not lifted completely,
what is his estimate of how close | 3:20:20 | 3:20:24 | |
Yemen is to famine? There are
different reports depending on where | 3:20:24 | 3:20:33 | |
the areas are. Some areas have run
out of fuel already. Five cities. | 3:20:33 | 3:20:38 | |
When you run out of fuel you cannot
maintain the power supplies and | 3:20:38 | 3:20:42 | |
sanitation and things like that so
that is acute. Food supplies in most | 3:20:42 | 3:20:47 | |
areas on average appear to be
better, maybe in terms of months, | 3:20:47 | 3:20:51 | |
but that won't apply to every area
because some will be worse than | 3:20:51 | 3:20:56 | |
others. Again, for the benefit of
the House, a minister will not stand | 3:20:56 | 3:21:01 | |
here and say because we can measure
it in a few more days it is less | 3:21:01 | 3:21:04 | |
urgent. It is not. This is
absolutely top of the priorities. | 3:21:04 | 3:21:10 | |
What the United Kingdom has sought
to do in a variety of different ways | 3:21:10 | 3:21:15 | |
has been to make clear the
importance both of responding to the | 3:21:15 | 3:21:19 | |
security needs of the coalition but
also the humanitarian. Let me put | 3:21:19 | 3:21:25 | |
this on the record because it is
important. One fifth of November, a | 3:21:25 | 3:21:31 | |
Foreign and Commonwealth Office
statement condemned the missile | 3:21:31 | 3:21:34 | |
attack, on 13th of November my right
honourable friend spoke to Mark | 3:21:34 | 3:21:40 | |
Pocock of the UN as to the
situation. An FCO statement stressed | 3:21:40 | 3:21:48 | |
the need for immediate humanitarian
and commercial access. 1/16 of | 3:21:48 | 3:21:51 | |
November I spoke to the UAE Minister
of State. On 20th November I spoke | 3:21:51 | 3:21:58 | |
to the House and on the 21st I spoke
to the Saudi Arabian Foreign | 3:21:58 | 3:22:03 | |
Minister. One 23rd the Foreign
Minister spoke to the Saudi Arabian | 3:22:03 | 3:22:08 | |
crown Prince. On the 29th, as we
speak, the Prime Minister visited | 3:22:08 | 3:22:17 | |
Riyadh and she said and I can speak
from her speech today, I am also | 3:22:17 | 3:22:22 | |
clear that the flow of commercial
supplies in which the country | 3:22:22 | 3:22:25 | |
depends must be resumed as we are to
avoid a humanitarian catastrophe. | 3:22:25 | 3:22:31 | |
During my discussions last night, we
agreed that steps needed to be taken | 3:22:31 | 3:22:35 | |
as a matter of urgency to address
this and that he would take forward | 3:22:35 | 3:22:39 | |
more detailed discussions as to how
this can be achieved. Following the | 3:22:39 | 3:22:44 | |
Foreign Secretary's hosted talks in
London this week we can also | 3:22:44 | 3:22:47 | |
intensify efforts with all parties
to bring a political settlement that | 3:22:47 | 3:22:51 | |
will sustain security for Saudi
Arabia, the coalition and Yemen. | 3:22:51 | 3:22:59 | |
For the House to feel in anyway that
there is not a serious response to | 3:22:59 | 3:23:04 | |
the catastrophic situation, which
the Right Honourable gentleman with | 3:23:04 | 3:23:07 | |
passion and determination, has set
out, is not correct. We are doing | 3:23:07 | 3:23:11 | |
everything we can at the highest
level in order to deal with the | 3:23:11 | 3:23:16 | |
humanitarian crisis, and also to
deal with the security. Yes. I am | 3:23:16 | 3:23:23 | |
grateful to my Right Honourable
friend for giving way and I am | 3:23:23 | 3:23:26 | |
particularly grateful for the
powerful words he has just read out | 3:23:26 | 3:23:29 | |
from the Prime Minister in Riyadh
last night. Those will be welcomed | 3:23:29 | 3:23:35 | |
throughout the House of Commons. I
think the butt of the argument, | 3:23:35 | 3:23:39 | |
which he is trying to address, is
this. The House feels, I am sure, | 3:23:39 | 3:23:44 | |
that the extent of the crisis, and
the response of the government, I'm | 3:23:44 | 3:23:49 | |
not equal. The crisis that we have
described today, the humanitarian | 3:23:49 | 3:23:53 | |
crisis, I have no political
description for what the political | 3:23:53 | 3:23:57 | |
answer is, but the humanitarian
crisis and breaches of the | 3:23:57 | 3:24:00 | |
international humanitarian law are
so egregious that they call for it | 3:24:00 | 3:24:05 | |
tougher and firmer response from Her
Majesty's government. Mr Deputy | 3:24:05 | 3:24:11 | |
Speaker, we are getting to the nub
of it now, we are all actually | 3:24:11 | 3:24:15 | |
agreed on this. We know how serious
it is. I have set out what we have | 3:24:15 | 3:24:20 | |
been trying to do. If there was
another lever to pull that would | 3:24:20 | 3:24:26 | |
deal with the situation, the Right
Honourable gentleman just said I | 3:24:26 | 3:24:29 | |
don't know what the political
process is, but if there was another | 3:24:29 | 3:24:33 | |
lever to pull we would pull it but
that's not the case. The best lever | 3:24:33 | 3:24:36 | |
to pull is this. The negotiations
process we have discussed. We don't | 3:24:36 | 3:24:42 | |
think this can be done through the
UN because it's much better to be | 3:24:42 | 3:24:45 | |
dealing with the parties who have
the opportunity and the | 3:24:45 | 3:24:49 | |
responsibility on both sides to get
something done around the table. The | 3:24:49 | 3:24:56 | |
Honourable Lady rightly described
the process the other day of the | 3:24:56 | 3:25:00 | |
talks were a number of states were
involved, it was unfair and on | 3:25:00 | 3:25:04 | |
reflection to call it a war council
is absolutely wrong. It contained | 3:25:04 | 3:25:08 | |
the Omanis, they would be deeply
upset with that reference. It | 3:25:08 | 3:25:13 | |
involved those who have the risk
done a capacity not only to make the | 3:25:13 | 3:25:18 | |
decisions on one side on the
coalition, but to make sure that | 3:25:18 | 3:25:20 | |
negotiations on the other side of
the Ruth and Yemeni allies are | 3:25:20 | 3:25:25 | |
strange from the UN process by their
own decision for many months, get | 3:25:25 | 3:25:28 | |
re-engaged. -- Houthis. And to have
some parties there who can do it | 3:25:28 | 3:25:37 | |
including the UN, that's the purpose
of the talks the United Kingdom lead | 3:25:37 | 3:25:40 | |
because that's the only way, as
colleagues recognised, the only way | 3:25:40 | 3:25:44 | |
to end the humanitarian suffering
longer term and for the conflict for | 3:25:44 | 3:25:48 | |
the parties to agree upon it, is not
a military solution, it's a | 3:25:48 | 3:25:54 | |
political solution and that's what
the United Kingdom has been doing | 3:25:54 | 3:25:56 | |
for some months and will continue to
until we get the answer. I am | 3:25:56 | 3:26:01 | |
grateful to the Minister for giving
way. Can I thank him for updating | 3:26:01 | 3:26:04 | |
the House so regularly and engaging
with the all-party group, the | 3:26:04 | 3:26:10 | |
officers, the Honourable Lady for
Glasgow Central and myself on these | 3:26:10 | 3:26:13 | |
issues. But that is the issue, isn't
it? The meeting was yesterday, what | 3:26:13 | 3:26:21 | |
is the timetable to mandate the
Omanis to bring the Houthis to the | 3:26:21 | 3:26:28 | |
negotiating table so that we can
conclude this matter? That is the | 3:26:28 | 3:26:31 | |
issue. And again, if we could have a
timetable we would have a timetable. | 3:26:31 | 3:26:39 | |
You can't. Because we're dealing
with people who are not yet parties | 3:26:39 | 3:26:43 | |
to this process, they have been and
need to be brought back into it. The | 3:26:43 | 3:26:46 | |
only words that can adequately
describe it are clearly as the House | 3:26:46 | 3:26:50 | |
would wish, as soon as is possible.
The Houthis should be re-engaged | 3:26:50 | 3:26:54 | |
with the UN with a process to start
the de-scale that will lead to the | 3:26:54 | 3:27:00 | |
end of the conflict and that's what
we have been doing and continue to | 3:27:00 | 3:27:04 | |
do. I must conclude, Mr Deputy
Speaker, because the House has been | 3:27:04 | 3:27:08 | |
generous in giving me a great deal
of time. I have not although I could | 3:27:08 | 3:27:12 | |
have done, said a lot about the
direct humanitarian aid which is | 3:27:12 | 3:27:18 | |
being delivered by the United
Kingdom, which is significant and | 3:27:18 | 3:27:22 | |
important. We have been working
consistently, £155 million has gone | 3:27:22 | 3:27:29 | |
in to support the people of Yemen,
being used through indirect agencies | 3:27:29 | 3:27:34 | |
with the UN and various NGOs and I
entirely concur with what my Right | 3:27:34 | 3:27:39 | |
Honourable friend said about the
bravery of those who are engaged. It | 3:27:39 | 3:27:42 | |
would help if the Yemeni government
would pay public health workers in | 3:27:42 | 3:27:46 | |
particular and then some of the work
that needs to be done to prevent the | 3:27:46 | 3:27:49 | |
return of cholera could be done and
it would assist the food | 3:27:49 | 3:27:53 | |
distribution. The aid agencies have
worked extremely hard in the | 3:27:53 | 3:27:59 | |
circumstances. The only thing that
will allow their work to be | 3:27:59 | 3:28:01 | |
effective, of course, is an end to
the conflict, which we are seeking | 3:28:01 | 3:28:06 | |
to do through the negotiations that
we are working so hard to achieve. | 3:28:06 | 3:28:13 | |
Although it has taken some time, and
although it is clear how strongly | 3:28:13 | 3:28:18 | |
those in the House today feel about
the issue and people outside, to | 3:28:18 | 3:28:22 | |
believe that there is more the
United Kingdom could do is to a | 3:28:22 | 3:28:28 | |
degree unfair but it doesn't matter
for the government and we must do | 3:28:28 | 3:28:32 | |
all we can. In terms of delivering
humanitarian aid and engaging with | 3:28:32 | 3:28:35 | |
the parties who can do something
about it, in terms of ensuring that | 3:28:35 | 3:28:39 | |
we are on the right side of the law,
should there be anything in the | 3:28:39 | 3:28:43 | |
record that needs corrected I can
assure my Right Honourable friend I | 3:28:43 | 3:28:45 | |
will do so, but I'm confident about
what I read out, but if there is | 3:28:45 | 3:28:51 | |
anything I need to correct I will do
so. We are seeking to do what we can | 3:28:51 | 3:28:56 | |
in this dreadful situation. The most
important thing is that there is a | 3:28:56 | 3:28:59 | |
continued release of the
restrictions on the ports. That is | 3:28:59 | 3:29:04 | |
what we are working towards at the
highest level, as you can tell from | 3:29:04 | 3:29:08 | |
the speech I read out from the Prime
Minister. I know that if we don't | 3:29:08 | 3:29:12 | |
achieve the aims we have set out to
do the House will bring us back | 3:29:12 | 3:29:16 | |
again. Thank you, Mr Deputy Speaker.
I want to thank the member for | 3:29:16 | 3:29:22 | |
Sutton Coldfield for securing this
debate. I agree with much of what he | 3:29:22 | 3:29:27 | |
said and his expertise on this
matter is valuable. I agree with | 3:29:27 | 3:29:30 | |
much of what the Shadow Foreign
Secretary said what I pay tribute to | 3:29:30 | 3:29:34 | |
the member for Leicester East who is
steadfast in his work on the | 3:29:34 | 3:29:38 | |
all-party group on Yemen Commander
would like to take the opportunity | 3:29:38 | 3:29:40 | |
to pay tribute to the aid agencies
working incredibly difficult | 3:29:40 | 3:29:44 | |
situations for their own staff and
the people they are dealing with in | 3:29:44 | 3:29:47 | |
Yemen just now. The member for
Sutton Coldfield mentioned the | 3:29:47 | 3:29:51 | |
difficulties on reporting from Yemen
and I must say I rely heavily on | 3:29:51 | 3:29:55 | |
some of the first-hand testimony
coming through from Twitter as that | 3:29:55 | 3:29:59 | |
seems to be a reasonable way of
getting information out of the | 3:29:59 | 3:30:02 | |
country. I have mentioned in a
letter to the government before the | 3:30:02 | 3:30:10 | |
case of a man taken by the Houthis
on the 12th of August this year and | 3:30:10 | 3:30:15 | |
has yet to be seen again. I would
ask the government to do all they | 3:30:15 | 3:30:19 | |
can to secure the safety of
journalists in Yemen as well. Mr | 3:30:19 | 3:30:22 | |
Deputy Speaker come today I'm
missing the opening of a new | 3:30:22 | 3:30:27 | |
nursery, Silverdale Nursery. That
nursery has 140 places for children | 3:30:27 | 3:30:32 | |
under five and it struck me while
thinking about this that if 140 | 3:30:32 | 3:30:37 | |
children were to die today we would
do something about that. If they | 3:30:37 | 3:30:42 | |
were to die tomorrow we would do
something about that. If it was | 3:30:42 | 3:30:46 | |
nurseries around the country where
130 children were dying, 130 under | 3:30:46 | 3:30:54 | |
fives were dying every day in Yemen,
we would do something about that, | 3:30:54 | 3:30:56 | |
urgently seriously. We would not
have our own children dying of a | 3:30:56 | 3:31:01 | |
very preventable cause of extreme
malnutrition and the disease that | 3:31:01 | 3:31:07 | |
takes hold so easily when those
children don't have the food and | 3:31:07 | 3:31:12 | |
resilience they need. A child is
dying every ten minutes in Yemen, Mr | 3:31:12 | 3:31:16 | |
Deputy Speaker. If you think about
the number have died since the | 3:31:16 | 3:31:18 | |
debate started that is a shocking
thing and we cannot accept that any | 3:31:18 | 3:31:23 | |
longer. It has been going on far too
long and we have a global | 3:31:23 | 3:31:27 | |
responsibility wherever they are to
make sure that they are safe, they | 3:31:27 | 3:31:31 | |
are fed and they will live a happy
and healthy life and anything we can | 3:31:31 | 3:31:35 | |
do to that end is something we must
and should do urgently. For those | 3:31:35 | 3:31:38 | |
children that survive, the impact
will be lasting. Millions of | 3:31:38 | 3:31:44 | |
children out of school and they
don't have a nursery to go to, Mr | 3:31:44 | 3:31:47 | |
Deputy Speaker. They are living with
stunting, a lifelong condition, that | 3:31:47 | 3:31:51 | |
will affect their growth and
development and their cognitive | 3:31:51 | 3:31:57 | |
development throughout the rest of
their lives. In 2012 Unicef were | 3:31:57 | 3:32:01 | |
warning of stunting and 50, children
under five were stunted in 2012 | 3:32:01 | 3:32:07 | |
before the latest conflict took
place. That is a generation left | 3:32:07 | 3:32:12 | |
with a limiting condition that we
could do more to prevent. Mr Deputy | 3:32:12 | 3:32:18 | |
Speaker, the International Committee
of the Red Cross reported yesterday | 3:32:18 | 3:32:20 | |
they purchased 750,000 litres of
field to ensure that the water pumps | 3:32:20 | 3:32:26 | |
can operate. They will only last
month on that fuel. The | 3:32:26 | 3:32:30 | |
International Committee of the Red
Cross also reports that nine other | 3:32:30 | 3:32:33 | |
cities don't have sufficient fuel to
run their water supplies which is a | 3:32:33 | 3:32:37 | |
critical situation, considering
Yemen has experienced one of the | 3:32:37 | 3:32:42 | |
largest cholera epidemics in
history, which has already left | 3:32:42 | 3:32:45 | |
around 2000 people dead. The
outbreak seems to be on the wane but | 3:32:45 | 3:32:50 | |
without water and access to
appropriate sanitation that will | 3:32:50 | 3:32:53 | |
almost certainly come back. As the
honourable member for Sutton | 3:32:53 | 3:32:57 | |
Coldfield mentioned, diphtheria is
taking hold, very preventable | 3:32:57 | 3:33:00 | |
disease we do not even see here. I
want to ask the Minister, and I know | 3:33:00 | 3:33:05 | |
he will do his best on this, what is
the government doing to ensure that | 3:33:05 | 3:33:09 | |
the fuel gets into the country
because without fuel the petrol | 3:33:09 | 3:33:12 | |
pumps will run dry and it will have
a knock-on effect on the prices of | 3:33:12 | 3:33:15 | |
food. Aid needs to get in and aid
agencies say so but all aid agencies | 3:33:15 | 3:33:21 | |
stressed the necessity of getting
commercial goods in. The scarcity | 3:33:21 | 3:33:25 | |
and fuel prices mean prices are high
and even where there is food people | 3:33:25 | 3:33:28 | |
can't afford to feed themselves and
they don't know where their next | 3:33:28 | 3:33:31 | |
meal is coming from and it must be
incredible heartbreaking to be able | 3:33:31 | 3:33:34 | |
to see food on a shelf and not be
able to afford to buy it to feed | 3:33:34 | 3:33:38 | |
your family. Bear in mind that
employees in Yemen, many of them | 3:33:38 | 3:33:42 | |
have not been paid for some time,
over a year in some cases at least | 3:33:42 | 3:33:46 | |
and Medecins Sans Frontieres
reported in October that 1.2 million | 3:33:46 | 3:33:49 | |
Yemeni civil servants have received
little to no salaries for over a | 3:33:49 | 3:33:53 | |
year. MSF pays the salary of 1200
public health staff that they are | 3:33:53 | 3:33:58 | |
using in their clinics but quite
clearly Mr Deputy Speaker that isn't | 3:33:58 | 3:34:01 | |
enough by any manner of means and if
the doctors are treating the people | 3:34:01 | 3:34:04 | |
that are starving and have no money
to feed themselves either that is a | 3:34:04 | 3:34:07 | |
situation that is a disaster. I
would urge the Minister to consider | 3:34:07 | 3:34:12 | |
what else they can do to get more
money in to allow the staff to be | 3:34:12 | 3:34:16 | |
paid and get the economy restarted
and make sure people can have | 3:34:16 | 3:34:18 | |
something to live on. I would also
urge, as I have urged in previous | 3:34:18 | 3:34:22 | |
statements, we need to see aid
getting into the country in the | 3:34:22 | 3:34:27 | |
first place. The blockade must be
removed as soon as possible. The aid | 3:34:27 | 3:34:31 | |
needs to be able to travel around
Yemen as well and the border posts | 3:34:31 | 3:34:36 | |
and the vis-a-vis and difficulties
aid agencies are facing in getting | 3:34:36 | 3:34:39 | |
around the country is preventing
that aid from flowing. It is clear | 3:34:39 | 3:34:44 | |
as well that the different factions
to this conflict are using this | 3:34:44 | 3:34:49 | |
system as a means of vibrating aid
to their own people as well so that | 3:34:49 | 3:34:52 | |
the aid intended to go to one place
of desperate need is being diverted. | 3:34:52 | 3:34:56 | |
It's not to say the other people
might not need it because I am sure | 3:34:56 | 3:34:59 | |
they do but that aid is being that
they did from the people that need | 3:34:59 | 3:35:03 | |
to get it and we need to do more to
make sure that the aid can get | 3:35:03 | 3:35:06 | |
through to those that need it and
that it is appropriately used when | 3:35:06 | 3:35:10 | |
it gets there. I would urge
ministers to do everything they can | 3:35:10 | 3:35:13 | |
in that respect to ensure the
convoys going through the country | 3:35:13 | 3:35:15 | |
can get where they need to be.
Finally, Mr Deputy Speaker, I'd like | 3:35:15 | 3:35:20 | |
to touch on the issue of arms sales
because the arms sales to me are a | 3:35:20 | 3:35:24 | |
critical part of the influence and
leverage that we have as a country | 3:35:24 | 3:35:27 | |
in this conflict. The meeting
referred to earlier, the communique | 3:35:27 | 3:35:33 | |
that came out of the meeting Tumi
concentrated far, far more sadly on | 3:35:33 | 3:35:41 | |
weapons and the security situation,
which I know and I appreciate is | 3:35:41 | 3:35:43 | |
difficult but it concentrated more
on that than it did on the | 3:35:43 | 3:35:47 | |
humanitarian situation and the need
to get goods in through the ports. | 3:35:47 | 3:35:52 | |
I'm sure the 25 aid agencies who
contacted the Foreign Secretary in | 3:35:52 | 3:35:55 | |
their open letter will feel very let
down by that and I want to echo the | 3:35:55 | 3:36:01 | |
comments of the Shadow Foreign
Secretary that the attendance list | 3:36:01 | 3:36:03 | |
of that meeting could have been
broader and efforts must be made to | 3:36:03 | 3:36:05 | |
get more people from Yemen involved
in these things actually from Yemen, | 3:36:05 | 3:36:11 | |
from civil society from
organisations working there on the | 3:36:11 | 3:36:14 | |
ground. If you look at that picture
as well you will note there may be | 3:36:14 | 3:36:18 | |
one woman in the back of the
photograph but women are not being | 3:36:18 | 3:36:20 | |
included in this process is well and
you need women as part of the | 3:36:20 | 3:36:24 | |
process to help make the peace and
make it sustainable. I'm very | 3:36:24 | 3:36:31 | |
grateful to the Honourable Lady.
When the national dialogue process | 3:36:31 | 3:36:34 | |
was going on and I was in Yemen for
that, we spoke to women who have not | 3:36:34 | 3:36:37 | |
been part of the governance process.
We to young people who have not been | 3:36:37 | 3:36:41 | |
part of the governance process, the
National dialogue giving them an | 3:36:41 | 3:36:44 | |
opportunity, the Houthi involvement
and the conflict killed that | 3:36:44 | 3:36:50 | |
opportunity, otherwise there would
have been more women involved. | 3:36:50 | 3:36:52 | |
That's what some of the people are
fighting for. I appreciate that and | 3:36:52 | 3:36:57 | |
I have heard this to me from some of
the aid agencies and some of the | 3:36:57 | 3:37:00 | |
women's organisations that came to
visit who I met with with the | 3:37:00 | 3:37:03 | |
honourable member for East some time
ago and that process was reflected | 3:37:03 | 3:37:07 | |
and they want to be part of that but
the organisations do exist and those | 3:37:07 | 3:37:10 | |
are groups that the government must
keep reaching out to and must keep | 3:37:10 | 3:37:15 | |
involving in the process because if
it is going to be a lasting peace it | 3:37:15 | 3:37:18 | |
must be a lasting peace for the
people of Yemen as wide as possible | 3:37:18 | 3:37:22 | |
and attendance must be there. | 3:37:22 | 3:37:27 | |
We lose a huge amount of credibility
in this discussion. We cannot be a | 3:37:27 | 3:37:34 | |
broker for peace while we are
involved in arming a side of this | 3:37:34 | 3:37:38 | |
conflict. We are complacent. --
complicit. There are 318 incidents | 3:37:38 | 3:37:48 | |
of concern? How many more
unacceptable to this government as | 3:37:48 | 3:37:52 | |
there are 318 that have been picked
up by the people involved on the | 3:37:52 | 3:37:58 | |
ground in Yemen. That is a huge
amount of concern to have. The | 3:37:58 | 3:38:01 | |
amount of eight is welcome and it is
good. I believe £202 million since | 3:38:01 | 3:38:10 | |
2015 is dwarfed by the 4.6 billion
on arms sales. That is a huge | 3:38:10 | 3:38:14 | |
amount. It is going into producing
absolute brutality and desperation | 3:38:14 | 3:38:23 | |
on the ground. If we want this
country to be a success we should be | 3:38:23 | 3:38:27 | |
putting all the effort into the
building, not into destroying what | 3:38:27 | 3:38:31 | |
little is still there. She talks
about arms sales and they accept the | 3:38:31 | 3:38:37 | |
point we should care about people
but you look at the situation now, | 3:38:37 | 3:38:41 | |
is she aware of some 80 rockets have
been fired then? What is stopping | 3:38:41 | 3:38:46 | |
those rockets from killing people is
the US Patriot missile system, | 3:38:46 | 3:38:51 | |
defence equipment sold by the United
States to Saudi Arabia to stop | 3:38:51 | 3:38:55 | |
rockets landing on many people and
telling them. Does she agree with | 3:38:55 | 3:38:59 | |
those defence sales? What I agree
with in this situation is that by | 3:38:59 | 3:39:06 | |
putting more arms into the situation
that is continuing to escalate the | 3:39:06 | 3:39:09 | |
situation. The honourable member can
have this time later on and I am | 3:39:09 | 3:39:13 | |
sure he will wish to contribute but
by adding more weapons to the | 3:39:13 | 3:39:18 | |
situation I don't think honestly
that is going to help. Mr Deputy | 3:39:18 | 3:39:23 | |
Speaker, you will be aware my
daughter has been sent home from | 3:39:23 | 3:39:29 | |
Naas are set today. My daughter will
be picked up from larceny by my | 3:39:29 | 3:39:34 | |
husband, she will get medicine if
she needs it and treatment that she | 3:39:34 | 3:39:37 | |
needs it and access to a doctor if
she needs that. Unlike appearance in | 3:39:37 | 3:39:42 | |
Yemen I will not have to choose as
they have to do what's child to save | 3:39:42 | 3:39:47 | |
on which child to let die and that
is the situation that parents in | 3:39:47 | 3:39:51 | |
Yemen are facing every single day.
Every ten minutes a child will die, | 3:39:51 | 3:39:58 | |
parents will have that for the rest
of their lives. They will have seen | 3:39:58 | 3:40:02 | |
children die before them. We must be
committed to finding peace in this | 3:40:02 | 3:40:10 | |
situation. We must let aid in and
security peace fire -- ceasefire. We | 3:40:10 | 3:40:20 | |
have had plenty of water and
commitment and talk and we must, | 3:40:20 | 3:40:25 | |
Yemen cannot wait and we need action
now. If you will forget me I will | 3:40:25 | 3:40:32 | |
talk about this country for which I
have a deep affection. It is a | 3:40:32 | 3:40:41 | |
country of great richness, of great
culture Randolph in many ways it is | 3:40:41 | 3:40:47 | |
the heart of Arabia. It was there
that the camel was domesticated | 3:40:47 | 3:40:53 | |
allowed the colonisation of the rest
of Arabia. It has for most Arabs | 3:40:53 | 3:40:57 | |
seen as the heart of the culture and
Yemeni Arabic is seen as the purist | 3:40:57 | 3:41:02 | |
Arabic. To see the country soul
ruined and destroyed as a matter of | 3:41:02 | 3:41:10 | |
great sadness for all of us who are
of Arabian culture and language. -- | 3:41:10 | 3:41:15 | |
who love Arabian culture and
language. We have to be clear who is | 3:41:15 | 3:41:20 | |
causing that, it is right that the
blockade is wrong. There is no doubt | 3:41:20 | 3:41:25 | |
in my mind that Saudi Arabia has the
particular responsibility to address | 3:41:25 | 3:41:31 | |
the humanitarian concerns facing the
Yemeni people today. It would be | 3:41:31 | 3:41:34 | |
wrong to point solely at Riyadh
because the truth is that the | 3:41:34 | 3:41:41 | |
sessions made in Teheran today are
having an effect that is felt | 3:41:41 | 3:41:45 | |
throughout the region. It would be
wrong to be silent in the face of | 3:41:45 | 3:41:48 | |
such aggression. It would be wrong
to ignore the roots of it because | 3:41:48 | 3:41:53 | |
when we looked at Shi'ite Islam,
descended through the sun of the | 3:41:53 | 3:42:05 | |
son-in-law of the profit, --
Prophet, it is worth remembering | 3:42:05 | 3:42:17 | |
that Yemeni involvement is nothing
new. It is said the Prophet was born | 3:42:17 | 3:42:23 | |
in the year of the elephant and it
is called such because that is the | 3:42:23 | 3:42:27 | |
year when the king of Persia landed
elephants in Persia. Since then is | 3:42:27 | 3:42:38 | |
Damien involvement has been
frequent. Today it is again. And | 3:42:38 | 3:42:44 | |
today they are not landing war
elephants but missiles and small | 3:42:44 | 3:42:47 | |
arms and they are landing rifles.
They adequately as poisonous today | 3:42:47 | 3:42:54 | |
to the politics of that region of
Arabia as they have been for nearly | 3:42:54 | 3:42:57 | |
two millennia. Just because it is
true that Saudi Arabia's treatment | 3:42:57 | 3:43:04 | |
of the Yemeni people today is not
acceptable, does not mean that we | 3:43:04 | 3:43:09 | |
should ignore the crimes that are
being committed by Iran. I would | 3:43:09 | 3:43:16 | |
encourage the minister in his place
and has done so much for the Legion, | 3:43:16 | 3:43:20 | |
whose understanding of the countries
that make up this beautiful and | 3:43:20 | 3:43:23 | |
important part of our world, has
done so much Ronald Koeman the | 3:43:23 | 3:43:28 | |
countries and our relationship but
the people themselves, I would | 3:43:28 | 3:43:31 | |
encourage them to remember they has
to be playing out here than I would | 3:43:31 | 3:43:34 | |
urge him to remember that we have
real friends in this region. We have | 3:43:34 | 3:43:40 | |
real friends in Yemen that we must
help and real friends in Saudi | 3:43:40 | 3:43:44 | |
Arabia who we must help to defend
themselves. We have a real friends | 3:43:44 | 3:43:49 | |
in or man and the Emirates who are
fighting against this aggression to | 3:43:49 | 3:43:57 | |
and as we stand up for friends, and
I will give way, we must urge them | 3:43:57 | 3:44:01 | |
to remember that they too have
responsibility. I am grateful to my | 3:44:01 | 3:44:11 | |
friend the chairman for the
committee. He referred to the role | 3:44:11 | 3:44:15 | |
Iran is playing in Yemen but isn't
it also the case that the Iranians | 3:44:15 | 3:44:21 | |
are trying to influence and
destabilise other countries on the | 3:44:21 | 3:44:26 | |
Arabian Peninsular? And even trying
to increase their influence on or | 3:44:26 | 3:44:32 | |
man? My honourable friend is
absolutely correct of course. The | 3:44:32 | 3:44:38 | |
actions of the Iranian government
these last few years have been to | 3:44:38 | 3:44:46 | |
destabilise many areas and that one
looks at Oman today one can see the | 3:44:46 | 3:44:51 | |
attractions of Iranian backed
insurgencies. If one looks at | 3:44:51 | 3:44:55 | |
Bahrain today one can see violent
insurgencies rather than just | 3:44:55 | 3:44:58 | |
political insurgencies Azlan Oman.
If one looks at the eastern seaboard | 3:44:58 | 3:45:03 | |
of Saudi Arabia, I will not praise
them for their treatment of the | 3:45:03 | 3:45:11 | |
Shias because it isn't great, but
the way that the Iranian government | 3:45:11 | 3:45:15 | |
is seeking to radicalise Shia
groups, it is right that the | 3:45:15 | 3:45:21 | |
government in the Riyadh see threats
coming from the east. They are | 3:45:21 | 3:45:25 | |
right, because they are happening.
This does not excuse the human | 3:45:25 | 3:45:33 | |
rights abuses of the blockade. This
does not excuse the famine and the | 3:45:33 | 3:45:37 | |
punishment that has been made
collective against the people of | 3:45:37 | 3:45:40 | |
Yemen. I will not excuse it. We must
remember that this is a war being | 3:45:40 | 3:45:48 | |
fought against an aggressive regime
that has several times now fired | 3:45:48 | 3:45:53 | |
missiles at Riyadh, that has several
times now fired missiles at civilian | 3:45:53 | 3:45:58 | |
populations in Saudi Arabia, and
while the honourable member on the | 3:45:58 | 3:46:02 | |
bench opposite is absolutely right,
absolutely right that the death of | 3:46:02 | 3:46:08 | |
the children in Yemen is the crime
that cries out for justice, we must | 3:46:08 | 3:46:14 | |
also remember that if ill union
weapons are being landed in Glasgow | 3:46:14 | 3:46:18 | |
we would take action about it. If
they were landing from France to | 3:46:18 | 3:46:22 | |
London we would take action. And I
understand that the Saudis are to | 3:46:22 | 3:46:29 | |
take action about it. Of course we
wouldn't practice collective | 3:46:29 | 3:46:33 | |
punishment, we would not blockade
and we would not abuse human rights | 3:46:33 | 3:46:38 | |
to defend ourselves. Though there is
a legitimacy of Saudi action, as | 3:46:38 | 3:46:46 | |
friends of Saudi Arabia and other
supporters of the welcome changes | 3:46:46 | 3:46:48 | |
that are happening today, we have a
role in the right to speak out and I | 3:46:48 | 3:46:54 | |
welcome the words of my letter
honourable friend the Prime Minister | 3:46:54 | 3:46:59 | |
only a few hours ago. She is
absolutely right and speaks of the | 3:46:59 | 3:47:03 | |
benighted kingdom with passion and
honour when she calls on him to act | 3:47:03 | 3:47:08 | |
and to act now. -- United Kingdom.
Can I first of all congratulate the | 3:47:08 | 3:47:16 | |
Right Honourable gentleman on both
securing this debate but also on a | 3:47:16 | 3:47:18 | |
very powerful speech and I would
like to associate myself with his | 3:47:18 | 3:47:22 | |
remarks today. I am going to resist
the temptation to address the | 3:47:22 | 3:47:28 | |
broader political questions that
have come up and focus my remarks on | 3:47:28 | 3:47:32 | |
the sheer scale of the humanitarian
crisis. In particular the impact of | 3:47:32 | 3:47:40 | |
the blockade and can I join with the
right honourable gentleman and other | 3:47:40 | 3:47:45 | |
speakers in paying tribute to all of
those working on the ground to try | 3:47:45 | 3:47:49 | |
to make a difference in this
terrible, terrible situation. United | 3:47:49 | 3:47:56 | |
Nations aid agencies and above all
the long-suffering people of Yemen. | 3:47:56 | 3:48:02 | |
The scale of this crisis is
enormous. As we heard, Yemen could | 3:48:02 | 3:48:07 | |
be just weeks away from a once in a
generation famine. United Nations | 3:48:07 | 3:48:16 | |
estimates that 85% of Yemen's
population is in immediate need of | 3:48:16 | 3:48:22 | |
humanitarian assistance, 85%. That
has increased over just the past 12 | 3:48:22 | 3:48:31 | |
months by 2 million people. 10
million people are at immediate risk | 3:48:31 | 3:48:38 | |
of death and our own Department for
International Development says these | 3:48:38 | 3:48:44 | |
people may not survive if they don't
receive humanitarian assistance in | 3:48:44 | 3:48:49 | |
some form or another. It is very
difficult to get truly accurate | 3:48:49 | 3:48:55 | |
figures from sources on the ground
than elsewhere in the precise human | 3:48:55 | 3:48:58 | |
cost of this tragic conflict and
it'll be very useful of the menace | 3:48:58 | 3:49:03 | |
that is able during this debate to
give an estimate of how many | 3:49:03 | 3:49:07 | |
civilian lives have been lost
already since the conflict began in | 3:49:07 | 3:49:10 | |
Yemen. As the right honourable
gentleman reminded as an opening | 3:49:10 | 3:49:15 | |
this debate, Yemen has long been
reliant on imports for its food. | 3:49:15 | 3:49:21 | |
Even before the war. 90% of Yemen's
food is imported. It requires food | 3:49:21 | 3:49:28 | |
imports of the hundred and 50,000
metric tonnes per month and 80% of | 3:49:28 | 3:49:33 | |
this comes through these two ports.
Whilst the sports have been fully | 3:49:33 | 3:49:40 | |
blockaded no goods are coming at all
leaving a danger and deadly backlog. | 3:49:40 | 3:49:45 | |
Since the blockade began three weeks
ago, as we have heard, the situation | 3:49:45 | 3:49:51 | |
has got even worse. Cholera is
widespread with a suspected 1 | 3:49:51 | 3:49:58 | |
million cases and at least 2000
deaths. As well as having one of the | 3:49:58 | 3:50:04 | |
largest recorded cholera outbreak
since records began, Yemen is now | 3:50:04 | 3:50:08 | |
facing the threat of Expedia. That
the area is an extremely contagious | 3:50:08 | 3:50:13 | |
and deadly disease whose symptoms
include high temperature, difficulty | 3:50:13 | 3:50:20 | |
breathing and a sore throat. About
one in ten adults who contract it by | 3:50:20 | 3:50:24 | |
and for the figure is closer to one
and five. In this country it is | 3:50:24 | 3:50:29 | |
almost eradicated. Since 2010 the
United Kingdom has recorded 20 cases | 3:50:29 | 3:50:39 | |
with one tragic recorded fatality.
In the past two months Yemen has | 3:50:39 | 3:50:44 | |
reported 120 cases with 14
fatalities and the numbers are | 3:50:44 | 3:50:50 | |
rising. Given how contagious this
disease is it is surely a matter of | 3:50:50 | 3:50:58 | |
time unless something changes
dramatically before hundreds if not | 3:50:58 | 3:51:00 | |
thousands of Yemeni people contract
that Delia with devastating | 3:51:00 | 3:51:06 | |
consequences for that country.
Life-saving medication and | 3:51:06 | 3:51:11 | |
humanitarian aid needed to treat
these diseases hasn't in practice | 3:51:11 | 3:51:14 | |
been withheld from innocent
civilians as a direct consequence of | 3:51:14 | 3:51:20 | |
the Saudi Arabian blockade, and even
with the very modest easing we have | 3:51:20 | 3:51:25 | |
heard from the Minister today over
the last week, lives remain at risk. | 3:51:25 | 3:51:32 | |
Prior to the blockade, 17 million
Yemenis, worse food insecure, what | 3:51:32 | 3:51:39 | |
it is estimated nearly 7 million at
risk of famine. That represents a | 3:51:39 | 3:51:43 | |
20% increase, half a million
children suffering from severe acute | 3:51:43 | 3:51:49 | |
malnutrition, half a million. This
last week the early warning system | 3:51:49 | 3:51:58 | |
network released a statement saying
famine is likely in Yemen if key | 3:51:58 | 3:52:01 | |
port remain closed and that is why
this issue is so important. The | 3:52:01 | 3:52:06 | |
report went on to say that if the
reports -- ports remain closed or | 3:52:06 | 3:52:11 | |
one able to handle large quantities
of food famine is likely with | 3:52:11 | 3:52:17 | |
thousands of deaths each day due to
lack of food and yet epic of | 3:52:17 | 3:52:20 | |
disease. | 3:52:20 | 3:52:27 | |
Seven others exceed the threshold of
serious. I thank my honourable | 3:52:27 | 3:52:33 | |
friend for giving way and he is
passionately outlining the current | 3:52:33 | 3:52:36 | |
humanitarian crisis and the need to
remove the Saudi blockade. Does he | 3:52:36 | 3:52:40 | |
also agree that the problem with
Yemen was it was already the poorest | 3:52:40 | 3:52:44 | |
country in the Middle East that
attracted far too little attention | 3:52:44 | 3:52:48 | |
from the international community? We
had always been generous through | 3:52:48 | 3:52:52 | |
DFID from the UK but this conflict
and crisis has come on the top of | 3:52:52 | 3:52:57 | |
all the shocking statistics? I thank
my honourable friend and he has been | 3:52:57 | 3:53:00 | |
a consistent and powerful advocate
on the half of the Yemeni people | 3:53:00 | 3:53:05 | |
including the diaspora living in his
constituency. I agree with him and | 3:53:05 | 3:53:09 | |
take the opportunity of his
intervention to thank the | 3:53:09 | 3:53:14 | |
International Department for
element, but longer term that | 3:53:14 | 3:53:17 | |
predates the conflict and also the
work they have sought to do during | 3:53:17 | 3:53:21 | |
the current crisis -- for
development. As of Monday the UN | 3:53:21 | 3:53:24 | |
humanitarian affairs agency reported
29 vessels carrying food and fuel | 3:53:24 | 3:53:30 | |
have been denied entry, and as the
Right Honourable gentleman said in | 3:53:30 | 3:53:34 | |
his opening speech over the weekend
the Saudi coalition did allow a | 3:53:34 | 3:53:39 | |
single ship into the port of
Hudaydah. That ship was carrying | 3:53:39 | 3:53:42 | |
6000 tonnes of flour which equates
to Knutzon of bread for the people | 3:53:42 | 3:53:58 | |
on the brink of starvation and it is
not enough and the people punished | 3:53:58 | 3:54:01 | |
the innocent civilians of Yemen. --
not enough bread. Crucial supplies | 3:54:01 | 3:54:08 | |
including ships including thousands
of tonnes of metric food desperately | 3:54:08 | 3:54:16 | |
needed. A vessel carrying 30,000
tonnes of wheat was able to birth | 3:54:16 | 3:54:20 | |
last night, however there Afful
vessels carrying fuel and three | 3:54:20 | 3:54:23 | |
carrying food still waiting for
commission. Can I urge the | 3:54:23 | 3:54:28 | |
government to use its offices to
ensure these vessels carrying | 3:54:28 | 3:54:32 | |
desperately needed supplies are able
to birth in Haditha as soon as | 3:54:32 | 3:54:34 | |
possible? As others have said during
the debate, fuel remains at the | 3:54:34 | 3:54:41 | |
centre of this crisis. Only two of
the ships currently offer Yemen are | 3:54:41 | 3:54:45 | |
carrying petrol and farmers in Yemen
are reporting that they simply don't | 3:54:45 | 3:54:49 | |
have the fuel to run the
agricultural equipment which | 3:54:49 | 3:54:51 | |
compounds further the risk of
famine. What little fuel Yemen has, | 3:54:51 | 3:54:56 | |
as we have heard, is being sold at
extortionate prices, humanitarian | 3:54:56 | 3:55:02 | |
organisations' coalition suggest a
million are needed to operate at the | 3:55:02 | 3:55:11 | |
level they were prior to the
blockade. Putt ships with fuel have | 3:55:11 | 3:55:14 | |
enough petrol to last just 16 days.
Estimates from Sanaa suggest that | 3:55:14 | 3:55:21 | |
unless something changes petrol will
run out in six days' time and diesel | 3:55:21 | 3:55:24 | |
in 17 days' time. Van der Vaart fuel
runs out the people will suffer even | 3:55:24 | 3:55:32 | |
more with hospitals and waste
treatment facilities no longer able | 3:55:32 | 3:55:35 | |
to function properly. Without fuel
many of the humanitarian supplies | 3:55:35 | 3:55:41 | |
waiting off Yemen will not have the
opportunity, even if they can dock | 3:55:41 | 3:55:46 | |
to then be moved around the country.
Within days it is estimated that 8 | 3:55:46 | 3:55:52 | |
million people in Yemen will be
without running water as the fuel | 3:55:52 | 3:55:55 | |
required to pump the water runs out.
Safe water and sanitation are vital | 3:55:55 | 3:56:00 | |
to combating the outbreaks of
cholera and diphtheria. Yemen's | 3:56:00 | 3:56:04 | |
three largest cities have already
had to shut down their water and | 3:56:04 | 3:56:07 | |
sewage treatment facilities and a
further five will do so within days | 3:56:07 | 3:56:12 | |
and in Hudaydah untreated water and
sewage has been washing into the | 3:56:12 | 3:56:16 | |
streets for several days. As the
Honourable Lady from Glasgow said | 3:56:16 | 3:56:20 | |
said in her excellent speech, the
International Committee of the Red | 3:56:20 | 3:56:25 | |
Cross this week took the unusual
step of buying fuel stocks to help | 3:56:25 | 3:56:29 | |
restart water and sewage in the
second and third largest cities, | 3:56:29 | 3:56:33 | |
Hudaydah and Taiz and given the
extortionate price of fuel they were | 3:56:33 | 3:56:36 | |
only able to purchase sufficient
supplies to last one month. Can I | 3:56:36 | 3:56:40 | |
praise the Red Cross for doing this,
which they acknowledge was an | 3:56:40 | 3:56:44 | |
unusual but necessary step to help
the people of Yemen? I implore the | 3:56:44 | 3:56:48 | |
government to do all it can to work
with NGOs and others on the ground | 3:56:48 | 3:56:52 | |
to ensure that much-needed fuel gets
into Yemen and gets around within | 3:56:52 | 3:56:56 | |
Yemen as soon as possible. As we
have heard, health facilities have | 3:56:56 | 3:57:00 | |
been destroyed during this conflict.
One in six completely and barely | 3:57:00 | 3:57:07 | |
half are functional at all and many
have had to close because of the | 3:57:07 | 3:57:10 | |
lack of access to clean water and
only about 30% of the medical | 3:57:10 | 3:57:14 | |
supplies needed for Yemen are
getting in as a result many of the | 3:57:14 | 3:57:18 | |
diseases we are talking about go
untreated, compounding an already | 3:57:18 | 3:57:22 | |
horrific situation. Although
vaccines are slowly making their way | 3:57:22 | 3:57:29 | |
back into the country through aid
flights, much, much more needs to be | 3:57:29 | 3:57:34 | |
in De Matt Dunn to ensure the entire
publishing is protected against | 3:57:34 | 3:57:37 | |
diseases that are both preventable
and curable. On Saturday, I will | 3:57:37 | 3:57:41 | |
take part in a vigil for Yemen in
Liverpool and I'm delighted my | 3:57:41 | 3:57:45 | |
honourable friend and neighbour, the
member for Walton is here and will | 3:57:45 | 3:57:48 | |
be joining that vigil as well with
members of the Yemeni diss -- die | 3:57:48 | 3:57:55 | |
Aspar in Liverpool, it's so
important we send a clear message | 3:57:55 | 3:57:58 | |
this conflict is not forgotten, and
when I spake to the Yemeni diaspora | 3:57:58 | 3:58:05 | |
in Liverpool is the one thing they
want is peace in Yemen and they | 3:58:05 | 3:58:08 | |
recognise it will be achieved
through diplomatic means and I | 3:58:08 | 3:58:11 | |
welcome the Prime Minister being in
the region. It is vital she presses | 3:58:11 | 3:58:16 | |
loud and clear for the full lifting
of this blockade. This debate today, | 3:58:16 | 3:58:22 | |
Mr Deputy Speaker, is timely, it's
important, its message is clear that | 3:58:22 | 3:58:26 | |
the blockade must be lifted
immediately but we recognise that | 3:58:26 | 3:58:30 | |
even the lifting of the blockade,
vital as that is, is far from | 3:58:30 | 3:58:35 | |
sufficient, we need to keep coming
back in this House to the issue of | 3:58:35 | 3:58:38 | |
Yemen until we see a ceasefire, a
political solution, and the | 3:58:38 | 3:58:43 | |
bloodshed ends for the sake of the
people of Yemen. | 3:58:43 | 3:58:48 | |
Thank you, Mr Deputy Speaker command
it is an honour to follow the | 3:58:48 | 3:58:52 | |
chairman of the Select Committee,
who has spoken powerfully on this | 3:58:52 | 3:58:55 | |
matter not only today but on several
previous occasions and whose | 3:58:55 | 3:58:59 | |
commitment I know is wholehearted to
this, as indeed is my Right | 3:58:59 | 3:59:02 | |
Honourable friend, the member for
Sutton Coldfield, who I congratulate | 3:59:02 | 3:59:06 | |
for securing this debate today and
who I know takes a huge personal | 3:59:06 | 3:59:10 | |
interest. I would also like to thank
my Right Honourable friend, the | 3:59:10 | 3:59:14 | |
Minister on the front bench, because
I know just how hard he works on | 3:59:14 | 3:59:18 | |
this issue and how close it is to
his heart. He brings to his work a | 3:59:18 | 3:59:23 | |
passion, which I think, if not
unique, certainly hugely important | 3:59:23 | 3:59:27 | |
in government on this issue. Mr
Deputy Speaker, I just want to | 3:59:27 | 3:59:34 | |
really use the words of other people
in my speech. I know not a huge | 3:59:34 | 3:59:38 | |
amount about the area. Its
international development is | 3:59:38 | 3:59:43 | |
something of great concern to me, as
is foreign affairs, but I thought I | 3:59:43 | 3:59:48 | |
would write to somebody I know who
has much more experience of the | 3:59:48 | 3:59:52 | |
situation in Yemen, who has been
working with the World Food | 3:59:52 | 3:59:56 | |
Programme, and has sent me a couple
of e-mails this week. I will quote | 3:59:56 | 3:59:59 | |
from that and from a couple of other
things that he has sent me. | 3:59:59 | 4:00:04 | |
From a food perspective, he writes,
the situation is beyond bleak. It is | 4:00:04 | 4:00:09 | |
a catastrophe beyond anything that I
have ever seen before. We are | 4:00:09 | 4:00:14 | |
talking of 17 million food insecure
people. World Food Programme is | 4:00:14 | 4:00:22 | |
giving food and vouchers to around
6.5 million people across most of | 4:00:22 | 4:00:25 | |
the country. Obviously this has been
hampered over the last three weeks | 4:00:25 | 4:00:31 | |
due to the blockade. Thankfully,
that, at least in part, is now over | 4:00:31 | 4:00:35 | |
and some ships are docking. But
remember, as many colleagues have | 4:00:35 | 4:00:39 | |
said, even precrisis Yemen was
almost entirely dependent upon food | 4:00:39 | 4:00:45 | |
imports. He goes on, the blockade
only served to make food a weapon of | 4:00:45 | 4:00:49 | |
war. The World Food Programme
expects that 3 million of the 70 | 4:00:49 | 4:00:53 | |
million will be pushed into a deeper
level of food and -- insecurity as a | 4:00:53 | 4:00:58 | |
result of the blockade. Market
availability is acceptable, but as | 4:00:58 | 4:01:04 | |
many members have said, remains
inaccessible due to inflation and | 4:01:04 | 4:01:07 | |
therefore high prices. It goes on,
cholera is stabilising but still at | 4:01:07 | 4:01:14 | |
around 800,000 people. It is the
largest outbreak in modern history | 4:01:14 | 4:01:18 | |
of this disease and utterly
shameful. Mr Deputy Speaker, I won't | 4:01:18 | 4:01:23 | |
go into the statistics because my
honourable friend from Liverpool has | 4:01:23 | 4:01:28 | |
just gone through them. I thank the
honourable gentleman forgiving way. | 4:01:28 | 4:01:36 | |
Like him I have had a similar letter
voicing grave concerns about the | 4:01:36 | 4:01:41 | |
situation in Yemen, particularly the
blockade, the lack of medical | 4:01:41 | 4:01:48 | |
supplies and I agree with him
wholeheartedly, something has got to | 4:01:48 | 4:01:51 | |
be done about it. My Right
Honourable friend is right, there is | 4:01:51 | 4:01:54 | |
a huge lack of critical medical
supplies including vaccines and | 4:01:54 | 4:01:58 | |
treatment to control the spread of
cholera and now of course that | 4:01:58 | 4:02:01 | |
deadly disease diphtheria. I will go
onto the second of my quotations | 4:02:01 | 4:02:08 | |
from an eyewitness. This is from
Mark Lowcock, the emergency relief | 4:02:08 | 4:02:13 | |
coordinator who the chairman of the
Select Committee and several other | 4:02:13 | 4:02:17 | |
colleagues met several weeks ago. In
this he said after a visit earlier | 4:02:17 | 4:02:21 | |
this month everyone everywhere I
went I saw roads, bridges, | 4:02:21 | 4:02:26 | |
factories, hotels and houses
destroyed by bombing or shelling. I | 4:02:26 | 4:02:29 | |
visited hospitals, both that he
visited had barely any electricity | 4:02:29 | 4:02:36 | |
or water. I met his seven-year-old
who weighed 11 kilos, the average | 4:02:36 | 4:02:41 | |
wait for a two-year-old not a
seven-year-old. The manager of the | 4:02:41 | 4:02:46 | |
hospital where she is being treated
said staff regularly turn away | 4:02:46 | 4:02:51 | |
gravely ill and malnourished
children because they cannot | 4:02:51 | 4:02:54 | |
accommodate them. There is of course
a solution to this, a political | 4:02:54 | 4:03:02 | |
solution I believe is the only way
forward. A lifting of the blockade, | 4:03:02 | 4:03:06 | |
cessation of hostilities, otherwise
we will indeed face the worst | 4:03:06 | 4:03:14 | |
humanitarian disaster that we have
seen in decades. But when we talk | 4:03:14 | 4:03:20 | |
about numbers sometimes the numbers
seem almost too vast. There are | 4:03:20 | 4:03:24 | |
other consequences as well. Let me
quote as well finally from the OCHA | 4:03:24 | 4:03:31 | |
report, that the widow, a mother of
six, five daughters and a son, and | 4:03:31 | 4:03:38 | |
had to abandon her home in Taiz
fleeing air strikes and fighting in | 4:03:38 | 4:03:41 | |
the area. The family left their
village with only the clothes they | 4:03:41 | 4:03:46 | |
were wearing and settled in a nearby
somewhat more peaceful village. She | 4:03:46 | 4:03:52 | |
rented a small shop but the business
is struggling and cannot sustain the | 4:03:52 | 4:03:55 | |
family's basic needs such as food,
water and medicines. So to ease the | 4:03:55 | 4:04:01 | |
burden she decided to marry off her
three young daughters. She said I | 4:04:01 | 4:04:04 | |
didn't have money and couldn't feed
all of the children. I didn't want | 4:04:04 | 4:04:08 | |
to marry off my daughters so young
but I couldn't stand seeing them | 4:04:08 | 4:04:12 | |
crying and starving. I regret what I
did very much. This, Mr Deputy | 4:04:12 | 4:04:20 | |
Speaker, is one of the individual
human, desperate consequences of | 4:04:20 | 4:04:25 | |
what we are seeing now. Yesterday I
had the honour of cheering in Mr | 4:04:25 | 4:04:32 | |
Speaker's house in meeting where we
discussed the tremendous progress on | 4:04:32 | 4:04:35 | |
countering malaria over the last 17
years, millions of lives saved, | 4:04:35 | 4:04:39 | |
millions of children's lives saved.
Here we have an entirely preventable | 4:04:39 | 4:04:46 | |
disaster looming where tens of
thousands, hundreds of thousands of | 4:04:46 | 4:04:52 | |
lives, perhaps even more than that,
are at risk, mainly of children and | 4:04:52 | 4:04:58 | |
women. We have the opportunity to do
that globally. I ask that the | 4:04:58 | 4:05:04 | |
coalition, the government of Saudi
Arabia and its allies, I ask that | 4:05:04 | 4:05:08 | |
they lift this blockade immediately
in order to ensure that those lives | 4:05:08 | 4:05:14 | |
can be saved, and I urge command
thank the government and Prime | 4:05:14 | 4:05:19 | |
Minister for what she said yesterday
and today, and I thank, coach the | 4:05:19 | 4:05:23 | |
government to continue that day in
day out until this crisis is | 4:05:23 | 4:05:28 | |
resolved. Keith Vaz. Mr Deputy
Speaker, it is a pleasure to follow | 4:05:28 | 4:05:36 | |
the honourable member and he did
himself a huge injustice saying he | 4:05:36 | 4:05:39 | |
didn't know much about the subject,
he knows a great deal and his | 4:05:39 | 4:05:43 | |
passion was very evident in what he
says and I thank him for what he has | 4:05:43 | 4:05:46 | |
said. I would like to commend the
Right Honourable member for Sutton | 4:05:46 | 4:05:51 | |
Coldfield, not only for calling this
debate, but also for his incredible | 4:05:51 | 4:05:58 | |
work as a former International
Development Secretary. I think he | 4:05:58 | 4:06:01 | |
will go down as one of the best we
have ever had. While he occupied | 4:06:01 | 4:06:06 | |
that post he did so much for Yemen
and he gave it so much of his time | 4:06:06 | 4:06:12 | |
and we are very grateful. He gave a
brilliant speech today and I think | 4:06:12 | 4:06:16 | |
it's important that we do discuss
Yemen on the floor of the House, | 4:06:16 | 4:06:20 | |
because we don't get the opportunity
of doing it often enough. As chair | 4:06:20 | 4:06:27 | |
of the all-party group and one of
the two members of this House who | 4:06:27 | 4:06:30 | |
was born in Aden it has become, as
the Shadow Foreign Secretary said, | 4:06:30 | 4:06:37 | |
the forgotten war, and allowing us
to discuss this in prime | 4:06:37 | 4:06:42 | |
Parliamentary time means it is not
forgotten. I want to thank the | 4:06:42 | 4:06:46 | |
Honourable Lady, the member for
Glasgow send, and the member for | 4:06:46 | 4:06:51 | |
Charnwood, for being such excellent
officers of the all-party group. | 4:06:51 | 4:06:56 | |
Yemen has so many friends in this
House, this is a Thursday afternoon | 4:06:56 | 4:07:00 | |
but it's packed. I want to thank the
young and swashbuckling chair of the | 4:07:00 | 4:07:09 | |
Foreign Affairs Committee who
learned about Yemen when he went to | 4:07:09 | 4:07:13 | |
live there to learn Arabic, and he
spoke so beautifully about its | 4:07:13 | 4:07:17 | |
contribution to the history of the
Arab world. And of course, the | 4:07:17 | 4:07:24 | |
member for Liverpool, my honourable
friend, who made it a priority in | 4:07:24 | 4:07:28 | |
his role as chairman of the
International Development Secretary. | 4:07:28 | 4:07:33 | |
I miss Flick Drummond and Angus
Robertson, both of them whenever | 4:07:33 | 4:07:38 | |
they spoke about Yemen made sure the
House listened, and I'm glad the | 4:07:38 | 4:07:43 | |
Shadow Foreign Secretary, who is
also extremely busy, came to do the | 4:07:43 | 4:07:48 | |
debate today and show she is very
concerned. As we approach December | 4:07:48 | 4:07:54 | |
20, Mr Deputy Speaker, and the
1000th day of Yemen's war, it is | 4:07:54 | 4:08:00 | |
clear the conflict in Yemen is still
no closer to being resolved. And the | 4:08:00 | 4:08:04 | |
United Kingdom is sadly no nearer to
developing a coherent policy on | 4:08:04 | 4:08:09 | |
Yemen. | 4:08:09 | 4:08:14 | |
Time and again we have stood in this
chamber calling for a government to | 4:08:14 | 4:08:18 | |
utilise all its immense diplomatic
skills, talents and muscle to bring | 4:08:18 | 4:08:24 | |
an end to this conflict. It has not
happened and we are here again | 4:08:24 | 4:08:29 | |
asking for the same thing. This
debate will demonstrate the | 4:08:29 | 4:08:36 | |
cross-party consensus that exists in
Parliament for an end to this awful | 4:08:36 | 4:08:41 | |
war. As we stand here Yemen
continues to bleed to death. They | 4:08:41 | 4:08:51 | |
face death from cholera, death from
malnutrition, death from bombing, | 4:08:51 | 4:08:57 | |
death from starvation. The clothes
of death hangs over Yemen. 10,000 | 4:08:57 | 4:09:05 | |
dead from the fighting, 40,000
mutilated, each day 130 Yemeni | 4:09:05 | 4:09:11 | |
children die from preventable causes
as the honourable lady for a Glasgow | 4:09:11 | 4:09:16 | |
Central said, by the time this
debate ends, another 17 Yemeni | 4:09:16 | 4:09:21 | |
children will have died. 20 million
people are in need of urgent | 4:09:21 | 4:09:27 | |
humanitarian needs by the end of the
year, 1 million people suffer from | 4:09:27 | 4:09:32 | |
cholera. This is more than the
entire populations of Edinburgh, | 4:09:32 | 4:09:42 | |
Newcastle and Hull combine. It has
destroyed infrastructure. Water | 4:09:42 | 4:09:52 | |
sanitation facilities have been
decimated by bombing. State sector | 4:09:52 | 4:09:58 | |
workers have not been paid for well
over one years and aid agencies have | 4:09:58 | 4:10:01 | |
been asked to fulfil all major
functions of the state. It is | 4:10:01 | 4:10:05 | |
impossible task. The group will be
launching the enquiry on the 13th | 4:10:05 | 4:10:15 | |
December on Yemen Date to be held in
Parliament. We will hear | 4:10:15 | 4:10:21 | |
contributions from all the agencies
taking part in this action of mercy, | 4:10:21 | 4:10:26 | |
Medecins sans Frontieres, Oxfam
relief, the International committee | 4:10:26 | 4:10:33 | |
for the Red Cross and the
International rescue committee. I | 4:10:33 | 4:10:39 | |
hope many members of this house
especially those from the Dyas | 4:10:39 | 4:10:43 | |
Borough will come to Yemen day
because it will allow us not just to | 4:10:43 | 4:10:49 | |
please but also to press for action.
-- diaspora. Action that I am afraid | 4:10:49 | 4:10:54 | |
is still missing. The conflict has
raged for two and a half years but | 4:10:54 | 4:11:04 | |
that has been a sharp escalation
this month. And if the union | 4:11:04 | 4:11:08 | |
supplied missile was fired into
Saudi Arabia landing near Riyadh | 4:11:08 | 4:11:10 | |
airport. We condemn this missile
attack in the strongest possible | 4:11:10 | 4:11:16 | |
terms. One death is not a
justification for another and | 4:11:16 | 4:11:21 | |
targeting civilians at an airport is
a cowardly act. The response by the | 4:11:21 | 4:11:27 | |
kingdom of Saudi Arabia has been
quick and deadly. Increasingly | 4:11:27 | 4:11:33 | |
bombing raids in Yemen and issuing a
fool blockade. The full blockade, | 4:11:33 | 4:11:39 | |
despite an outcry from humanitarian
groups and the United Nations, | 4:11:39 | 4:11:41 | |
lasted for three weeks. We have
heard the passionate arguments that | 4:11:41 | 4:11:47 | |
this is in breach of Article 33 of
the Geneva conventions. Whilst I | 4:11:47 | 4:11:53 | |
welcome the ending of the blockade
and ends this week and can | 4:11:53 | 4:11:56 | |
acknowledge that the start has begun
and welcome the update given to us | 4:11:56 | 4:12:02 | |
by the minister today, this is not a
solution to Yemen's problems. Aid | 4:12:02 | 4:12:10 | |
access to the country is still far
lower than is required by the 20 | 4:12:10 | 4:12:14 | |
million who need immediate
assistance. Yemen is a country | 4:12:14 | 4:12:19 | |
imports 90% of its food,
restrictions on commercial imports | 4:12:19 | 4:12:22 | |
are still present well Yemeni
citizens are starving to death. He | 4:12:22 | 4:12:28 | |
returned to the pre-November status
quo is an unacceptable outcome. It | 4:12:28 | 4:12:34 | |
is clear that the only way to stop
the suffering of the people was with | 4:12:34 | 4:12:37 | |
the peace agreement between the
parties and I will not rest until | 4:12:37 | 4:12:42 | |
there is peace in Yemen. In recent
months, I had a meeting with some of | 4:12:42 | 4:12:49 | |
the key people in the region and six
months ago I went to Oman to meet | 4:12:49 | 4:12:53 | |
with ministers I was on my way back
but never made it. If I landed at | 4:12:53 | 4:12:59 | |
the airport I was told there was no
guarantee that the plane would take | 4:12:59 | 4:13:02 | |
off again. I have also met with the
ambassador from Iran to the United | 4:13:02 | 4:13:07 | |
Kingdom. He told me that Iran was
not involved in Yemen but Duran | 4:13:07 | 4:13:18 | |
wanted peace. But in recent weeks I
have met with the Saudi ambassador | 4:13:18 | 4:13:28 | |
and the Saudi Foreign Minister. Both
of whom wanted peace and both of | 4:13:28 | 4:13:38 | |
whom made it very clear that Iran
was involved in supplying arms | 4:13:38 | 4:13:45 | |
actively to the Houthis and it is
clear that if the case and we'll | 4:13:45 | 4:13:48 | |
have to accept that. I believe that
United Kingdom has the capacity to | 4:13:48 | 4:13:53 | |
end this conflict as the pen holder
of the United Nations. It is good to | 4:13:53 | 4:13:58 | |
see what the Prime Minister said in
Riyadh today. And that she is there | 4:13:58 | 4:14:04 | |
to address the Yemeni issue, but I
would like to stay the region until | 4:14:04 | 4:14:10 | |
she actually puts everyone back at
that peace table a speech is very | 4:14:10 | 4:14:15 | |
welcome but it is not enough. We
need to get people back. This is a | 4:14:15 | 4:14:19 | |
huge opportunity. There is a clarion
call for peace all over the world. | 4:14:19 | 4:14:24 | |
Three weeks ago the United States
Congress bipartisan bill was | 4:14:24 | 4:14:30 | |
introduced by a Democrat and a
Congressman Republican concerning | 4:14:30 | 4:14:37 | |
arms sales to Saudi Arabia. Last
week they called for arms sales to | 4:14:37 | 4:14:46 | |
Saudi Arabia to be suspended and
they have had this position for some | 4:14:46 | 4:14:49 | |
time. On no other issue would you
see an alliance brings together the | 4:14:49 | 4:14:54 | |
United States Congress, the Leader
of the Opposition and the Scottish | 4:14:54 | 4:14:57 | |
National Party except Yemen.
Yesterday after a long wait the | 4:14:57 | 4:15:03 | |
foreign ministers of the UK, USA,
Saudi Arabia and the UAE met. | 4:15:03 | 4:15:09 | |
There's no for peace. Unless we have
timetable we cannot get peace. The | 4:15:09 | 4:15:16 | |
Foreign Secretary, the member for
Oxbridge, tweeted a picture of | 4:15:16 | 4:15:23 | |
himself after the meeting yesterday.
My message to him is we need to | 4:15:23 | 4:15:29 | |
spend less time talking about Brexit
and more time talking about Yemen. | 4:15:29 | 4:15:36 | |
His predecessor took an active role
in the peaceful transition and I | 4:15:36 | 4:15:41 | |
want to see him do the same. I would
like to thank the Minister of State | 4:15:41 | 4:15:49 | |
for his work on this issue. He is
always willing to meet and engage to | 4:15:49 | 4:15:55 | |
come to Parliament in order to
update us, and I think the source of | 4:15:55 | 4:15:59 | |
these slight dispute between himself
and the Right Honourable gentleman | 4:15:59 | 4:16:02 | |
for Sutton Coldfield, he has known
him for 30 years and I have known | 4:16:02 | 4:16:06 | |
the member for 40 years, Mr Deputy
Speaker. He is responsible for me | 4:16:06 | 4:16:12 | |
entering politics because he gave me
my first speech at university. I | 4:16:12 | 4:16:18 | |
haven't stopped since. He is to
blame. But the fact is the Saudi | 4:16:18 | 4:16:28 | |
ambassador, Foreign Minister, did
tell us that the British were there | 4:16:28 | 4:16:32 | |
to help us with the targeting. The
minister wasn't there but that is | 4:16:32 | 4:16:35 | |
exactly what he said and he thanked
us for it and maybe clarifications | 4:16:35 | 4:16:40 | |
required as to exactly what that
means but I must defend him, that is | 4:16:40 | 4:16:44 | |
exactly what we all heard. You will
know this is my 30th year in | 4:16:44 | 4:16:50 | |
Parliament. Some see this is too
long but for the remaining years in | 4:16:50 | 4:16:54 | |
this place I want to dedicate myself
to ensuring that there is peace in | 4:16:54 | 4:16:58 | |
Yemen. I cannot be asked to think of
what is happening to this once | 4:16:58 | 4:17:06 | |
beautiful country. It fills me with
such pain, the images broadcast by | 4:17:06 | 4:17:13 | |
the BBC and al-Jazeera this week are
just too harrowing to watch. My | 4:17:13 | 4:17:19 | |
children had to turn away from the
television set. One day I want to | 4:17:19 | 4:17:26 | |
return to have breakfast on the
veranda of the Crescent Hotel | 4:17:26 | 4:17:30 | |
overlooking the Arabian Sea where my
sisters and I spent so many happy | 4:17:30 | 4:17:37 | |
days as children, watching the great
chips on their way to the Suez | 4:17:37 | 4:17:40 | |
Canal. This is no biblical disaster
but one that has been made by men. | 4:17:40 | 4:17:48 | |
In a recent letter to the Prime
Minister I suggested to her the | 4:17:48 | 4:17:56 | |
Justice to parliamentarians are
judged on their reactions to the | 4:17:56 | 4:17:59 | |
genocides and Rwanda and Kosovo and
Somalia. We will be judged on our | 4:17:59 | 4:18:05 | |
reactions to the tragedy in Yemen.
Yemen is now the graveyard of the | 4:18:05 | 4:18:11 | |
Middle East and our lack of action
is an object of shame for all of us. | 4:18:11 | 4:18:17 | |
Unless we act now, the verdict of
history will be very harsh indeed. | 4:18:17 | 4:18:29 | |
Thank you very much and may I
congratulate my right honourable | 4:18:29 | 4:18:33 | |
friend the member for Sutton
Coldfield on securing this very | 4:18:33 | 4:18:35 | |
important debate, because it has
been nearly 1008 since the Yemen | 4:18:35 | 4:18:41 | |
crisis started. 1000 days of
suffering for the people of Yemen. | 4:18:41 | 4:18:48 | |
Two days ago when an attempt to help
alleviate that suffering and | 4:18:48 | 4:18:54 | |
reinforce what must be an
unimaginable effort of humanitarian | 4:18:54 | 4:18:57 | |
action, the UN charter agency. In a
port in West Yemen. Until this | 4:18:57 | 4:19:04 | |
crisis is resolved, and in a union
backed Houthis rebels are defeated | 4:19:04 | 4:19:10 | |
we must strive to make sure that
access to humanitarian work is the | 4:19:10 | 4:19:14 | |
norm and not the exception. I
welcome that my right honourable | 4:19:14 | 4:19:22 | |
friend has made to raise these
concerns and United Kingdom is one | 4:19:22 | 4:19:26 | |
of the top five largest bilateral
aid donors. We should be proud that | 4:19:26 | 4:19:34 | |
the UK is leading the global
response with 155 million of UK | 4:19:34 | 4:19:39 | |
funding providing people with fruit,
clean water, sanitation and | 4:19:39 | 4:19:43 | |
nutritional support. Further, 8
million of this is being allocated | 4:19:43 | 4:19:49 | |
to tackle the spread of cholera. The
people of Yemen are facing a | 4:19:49 | 4:19:54 | |
horrendous famine. One that we must
bring to an end. With 70% of the | 4:19:54 | 4:20:02 | |
population requiring urgent aid, the
blockade must be rolled back as much | 4:20:02 | 4:20:07 | |
as is practical to ensure vital
assistance reaches those who need | 4:20:07 | 4:20:11 | |
it. Without unconstrained access to
shipments, hospitals will be without | 4:20:11 | 4:20:17 | |
power, leaving the sect and then
Gerrard with that vital medical | 4:20:17 | 4:20:20 | |
care. People can experience a long
and devastating famine and we cannot | 4:20:20 | 4:20:28 | |
allow this to happen. I welcome that
the UK proposed and coordinated the | 4:20:28 | 4:20:35 | |
UN Security Council presidential
statement calling for an interrupted | 4:20:35 | 4:20:39 | |
access for humanitarian assistance.
And that the government continues to | 4:20:39 | 4:20:45 | |
lobby for Yemen to remain open to
humanitarian access. Whilst I accept | 4:20:45 | 4:20:50 | |
the necessity the UK has providing
vital logistical and intelligence | 4:20:50 | 4:20:55 | |
support to Saudi Arabia, they
continue to lead a broad | 4:20:55 | 4:21:01 | |
international coalition of countries
across the region alongside an | 4:21:01 | 4:21:03 | |
allies US and France, this must not
come at the expense of many lives | 4:21:03 | 4:21:09 | |
which have been and will continue to
be lost if this blockade continues. | 4:21:09 | 4:21:15 | |
I am pleased the UK Government is
already taking the lead by lobbying | 4:21:15 | 4:21:20 | |
others in the international
community including at the United | 4:21:20 | 4:21:22 | |
Nations. To ensure humanitarian
access happens as rapidly as | 4:21:22 | 4:21:26 | |
possible. The UK needs to continue
to use its influence to make sure | 4:21:26 | 4:21:34 | |
all parties respect these unified
and clear demands from across the | 4:21:34 | 4:21:37 | |
globe. Therefore I continue to urge
the government to make this a | 4:21:37 | 4:21:41 | |
priority and to act and ensure aid
reaches those who need to help bring | 4:21:41 | 4:21:46 | |
about a long-lasting solution to a
long-standing crisis. So that the | 4:21:46 | 4:21:52 | |
people of Yemen may lead safely in
their country and in their homes | 4:21:52 | 4:21:57 | |
without fear once more. | 4:21:57 | 4:22:05 | |
Misty Deputy Speaker, like to thank
the Right Honourable member for | 4:22:05 | 4:22:07 | |
Sutton Coldfield for bringing this
debate, I think it's important we | 4:22:07 | 4:22:10 | |
debate this issue and debate it
frequently, such as the scale of the | 4:22:10 | 4:22:14 | |
catastrophe and I'd also like to
thank my honourable friend the chair | 4:22:14 | 4:22:18 | |
of the International Development
Committee fully speech, which I | 4:22:18 | 4:22:20 | |
thought was very illuminating,
focused and spoke to the heart of | 4:22:20 | 4:22:23 | |
the problem. I think there are two
issues, today's crisis and | 4:22:23 | 4:22:29 | |
tomorrow's crisis. Today's crisis, I
think there is a consensus in this | 4:22:29 | 4:22:33 | |
House, today's crisis is that the
blockade must end. We must help the | 4:22:33 | 4:22:37 | |
people of Yemen right now
irrespective of all the other | 4:22:37 | 4:22:41 | |
issues. This is about life and death
and nothing else and that's what we | 4:22:41 | 4:22:44 | |
should be focused on. For todaysays
it is important, imperative, that | 4:22:44 | 4:22:51 | |
with the UK Government and other
governments throughout all of our | 4:22:51 | 4:22:54 | |
agencies put pressure on so that
this blockade is lifted and allows | 4:22:54 | 4:22:59 | |
aid into Yemen so that those people
in Yemen can be relieved of their | 4:22:59 | 4:23:03 | |
suffering. There are some issues
that transcend today's crisis and | 4:23:03 | 4:23:08 | |
tomorrow's crisis that have not been
brought about, local warlords, | 4:23:08 | 4:23:14 | |
fights over economic assets
including oil within the country, | 4:23:14 | 4:23:17 | |
roadblocks, illegal taxis, theft of
aid, it's a complex situation on the | 4:23:17 | 4:23:23 | |
ground that we must understand and
we must understand it for tomorrow's | 4:23:23 | 4:23:28 | |
crisis, because we don't want a
crisis tomorrow. We must try to | 4:23:28 | 4:23:33 | |
resolve Yemen so that it has a
future, not one that is an internal | 4:23:33 | 4:23:37 | |
crisis. -- internal crisis.
Primarily it requires peace. I think | 4:23:37 | 4:23:48 | |
in requiring peace we have got to
look at the circumstances that led | 4:23:48 | 4:23:51 | |
to the situation that we face, if we
are to find a long-term solution to | 4:23:51 | 4:23:56 | |
Yemen. I would just say, issues that
haven't been raised that are | 4:23:56 | 4:24:04 | |
important, the Gulf coalition
council and the Gulf countries, | 4:24:04 | 4:24:07 | |
particularly Saudi Arabia, were the
largest donors to Yemen and still | 4:24:07 | 4:24:13 | |
remain so now today and they will
continue to be in the future the | 4:24:13 | 4:24:21 | |
largest donors. Secondly, and what
dwarfs that, is what Yemen really | 4:24:21 | 4:24:26 | |
needs, is a better relationship with
Saudi Arabia. The border is | 4:24:26 | 4:24:29 | |
currently closed because of the
Houthis and one of the biggest | 4:24:29 | 4:24:35 | |
economic elements of Yemen is the
remittances that are paid by the | 4:24:35 | 4:24:41 | |
Yemeni workers who work in Saudi
Arabia, they no longer work in Saudi | 4:24:41 | 4:24:44 | |
Arabia because of this conflict,
they are victims of this. Open trade | 4:24:44 | 4:24:49 | |
has ended, the economy in Yemen is
suffering. We need a relationship | 4:24:49 | 4:24:52 | |
between Saudi Arabia, the principal
partner of Yemen, and Yemen, and | 4:24:52 | 4:24:57 | |
that's part of the future. That is
part of the peace building process. | 4:24:57 | 4:25:04 | |
But what has led to this conflict
and why have Saudi Arabia taken the | 4:25:04 | 4:25:08 | |
action they have taken? We need to
understand that despite the fact I | 4:25:08 | 4:25:10 | |
do not agree with the blockade.
There is the rocket on the 4th of | 4:25:10 | 4:25:15 | |
November fight that many people have
referenced. But that's only one | 4:25:15 | 4:25:21 | |
rocket, of I thought 54, but I stand
to be corrected, I'm told it was 80 | 4:25:21 | 4:25:26 | |
rockets. The original rockets were
at distances of 1000 kilometres, | 4:25:26 | 4:25:29 | |
SCUD missiles provided by North
Korea, but we now understand in the | 4:25:29 | 4:25:34 | |
latest development that the rockets
that have been provided into the | 4:25:34 | 4:25:36 | |
area, or supplied to the Houthis,
are Iranian made rockets. They are | 4:25:36 | 4:25:42 | |
coming from Tehran. If we are to
resolve this situation there needs | 4:25:42 | 4:25:48 | |
to be a demilitarisation. I go back
to UN resolution 2216 when we look | 4:25:48 | 4:25:55 | |
at what is at heart of this. What UN
resolution to 216 says is the | 4:25:55 | 4:26:01 | |
Houthis must withdraw from all
occupied areas, they must really | 4:26:01 | 4:26:05 | |
wish all arms and military assets --
2216. They must refrain from | 4:26:05 | 4:26:10 | |
provocation, that they must enter
into peace talks, and are sanctions | 4:26:10 | 4:26:14 | |
on individuals because of the
actions that they have taken in the | 4:26:14 | 4:26:18 | |
name of the Houthi Alliance. Let's
look at the resolution when it came | 4:26:18 | 4:26:24 | |
through the United Nations, 15
voting members, we talk about there | 4:26:24 | 4:26:29 | |
was no alliance, or that there is
chaos, the world was clear, 14 | 4:26:29 | 4:26:32 | |
members voted for UN resolution
2216, only one member abstained, the | 4:26:32 | 4:26:40 | |
Russian Federation on the
intervention on Syria was their | 4:26:40 | 4:26:43 | |
principle, I presume. No members
voted against. The world was united | 4:26:43 | 4:26:46 | |
in condemning the Houthis and we
look at the situation now and | 4:26:46 | 4:26:52 | |
provocation that Saudi Arabia faces,
incursions, and as I said earlier in | 4:26:52 | 4:26:56 | |
an intervention, you can go on the
Internet and there are a plethora of | 4:26:56 | 4:27:02 | |
Houthi videos showing extreme
violence inside Saudi Arabia killing | 4:27:02 | 4:27:05 | |
Saudi Arabian citizens, attacking
schools, and killing Saudi Arabian | 4:27:05 | 4:27:11 | |
Armed Forces and armed personnel.
There is a violence that surrounds | 4:27:11 | 4:27:19 | |
the Houthis. I was fortunate enough
to meet the Iranians at the | 4:27:19 | 4:27:24 | |
Conference in St Petersburg and it
was put to the Iranians about the | 4:27:24 | 4:27:28 | |
arms currently in Yemen and they
admitted there were Iranian arms in | 4:27:28 | 4:27:32 | |
Yemen but they said it wasn't Iran
supplying them, it was being | 4:27:32 | 4:27:35 | |
supplied by Hezbollah. I thought the
minister was going to ask me to give | 4:27:35 | 4:27:41 | |
way. I think there is a real concern
about the evolving situation in | 4:27:41 | 4:27:46 | |
North Yemen, and why after 70
accords and agreements still the | 4:27:46 | 4:27:53 | |
Houthis won't come to the table. It
is an empty chair that is waiting | 4:27:53 | 4:27:56 | |
for them and they will not sit in
it. They have no excuse while they | 4:27:56 | 4:28:00 | |
will not sit in a seat that affords
them peace talks and the path to a | 4:28:00 | 4:28:04 | |
future prosperity for the people.
Why should we be concerned, if you | 4:28:04 | 4:28:10 | |
look at the BBC documentary that
goes undercover in Sanaa, what you | 4:28:10 | 4:28:15 | |
see is oppression, you see the
posters go up. I know the Right | 4:28:15 | 4:28:19 | |
Honourable member for Sutton
Coldfield mentioned, he said death | 4:28:19 | 4:28:23 | |
to America and this was some sort of
reprisal. I think he omitted the | 4:28:23 | 4:28:27 | |
remainder of those posters and
chance, that he said schoolchildren | 4:28:27 | 4:28:32 | |
were singing, actually they are
forced to sing -- chants. The chant | 4:28:32 | 4:28:37 | |
is death to America, death to Israel
and curse on the Jews. I understand | 4:28:37 | 4:28:46 | |
why this is an empty chair now. When
we talk about the conflict I would | 4:28:46 | 4:28:50 | |
ask the question, what is Israel to
do with this conflict and why a | 4:28:50 | 4:28:54 | |
curse on the Jews? How is that
relevant to this particular | 4:28:54 | 4:28:57 | |
conflict? It isn't. I would finish
with this point because I do want to | 4:28:57 | 4:29:01 | |
wrap up and allow others to speak.
There are many points I could make. | 4:29:01 | 4:29:07 | |
But the Houthis must come to the
table. They must be forced to come | 4:29:07 | 4:29:12 | |
to the table. Otherwise, we will not
get peace. Removing the blockade, | 4:29:12 | 4:29:17 | |
sending as much aid in as we want me
solve today's crisis. It will not | 4:29:17 | 4:29:22 | |
solve tomorrow's crisis. Tomorrow's
crisis has to be solved by | 4:29:22 | 4:29:27 | |
diplomacy, and it means everybody
getting round the table, it means a | 4:29:27 | 4:29:31 | |
demilitarisation, but it means
people in this House and across the | 4:29:31 | 4:29:34 | |
world have to accept the
difficulties in Yemen, face up to | 4:29:34 | 4:29:40 | |
the difficulties and start to meet
those challenges. We can't get | 4:29:40 | 4:29:42 | |
caught in talking about, and I know
it was mentioned earlier and I'm | 4:29:42 | 4:29:45 | |
going to finish on this point, the
United States shouldn't sell defence | 4:29:45 | 4:29:50 | |
missile systems to Saudi Arabia. I
finish on this point. They sell the | 4:29:50 | 4:29:55 | |
US Patriot missile system, it's a
defence battery. Those 80 missiles | 4:29:55 | 4:30:00 | |
fired by the Houthis have been shot
down by US Patriot missile systems | 4:30:00 | 4:30:04 | |
supplied by the United States. Is
this House is really saying that in | 4:30:04 | 4:30:08 | |
all of those defence sales we should
not sell, or the United States in | 4:30:08 | 4:30:12 | |
this case, sell US Patriot defence
missile systems to shoot down those | 4:30:12 | 4:30:16 | |
rockets that were fired on the
border in November? I don't think | 4:30:16 | 4:30:20 | |
people are. I think people need to
accept this is a very complicated | 4:30:20 | 4:30:26 | |
situation. Finally, Mr Speaker, we
need the Houthis to come to the | 4:30:26 | 4:30:29 | |
table. Point of order, Clive Lewis.
Thank you, Mr Speaker. I accept the | 4:30:29 | 4:30:36 | |
debate on Yemen is a worthy and
important debate, clearly, the two | 4:30:36 | 4:30:40 | |
debates coming after this, one of
which I am sponsoring, which is the | 4:30:40 | 4:30:44 | |
RBS and geology, is also critically
important, there are lots of people | 4:30:44 | 4:30:49 | |
on both sides of the House that want
to speak in this debate and with the | 4:30:49 | 4:30:52 | |
guillotine as it is today that will
leave insufficient time to get this | 4:30:52 | 4:30:56 | |
deal and proper attention as it so
rightly deserves, so with that in | 4:30:56 | 4:31:00 | |
mind I'm prepared to pull my debate
if the Deputy Speaker can speak to | 4:31:00 | 4:31:04 | |
the leader the House to secure more
substantial time for this to take | 4:31:04 | 4:31:08 | |
place properly. -- GRG I totally
agree, it is a well subscribed | 4:31:08 | 4:31:14 | |
debate that was going to come on in
your name. The fact is I will want | 4:31:14 | 4:31:19 | |
to curtail that debate because I
think there is a lot to be said and | 4:31:19 | 4:31:22 | |
I think it is the right procedure
that is being offered to the House | 4:31:22 | 4:31:26 | |
today. Of course, I will speak to
the Leader of the House of Lords but | 4:31:26 | 4:31:29 | |
more so I have already spoken to the
chair of the backbench committee who | 4:31:29 | 4:31:33 | |
has assured me that this is a
priority to bring back, and I think | 4:31:33 | 4:31:37 | |
everybody will recognise that we
would not want to stop that | 4:31:37 | 4:31:40 | |
important debate by curtailing it
would the amount of time left, so | 4:31:40 | 4:31:44 | |
therefore, absolutely, I will speak
to her ever we need to do to make | 4:31:44 | 4:31:47 | |
sure there is enough time to be
brought forward. -- whoever we need | 4:31:47 | 4:31:50 | |
to. Thank you, Mr Deputy Speaker. I
want to start by paying tribute to | 4:31:50 | 4:31:59 | |
the Right Honourable gentleman, the
member for Sutton Coldfield, for | 4:31:59 | 4:32:02 | |
securing this incredibly important
debate. I also want to thank him for | 4:32:02 | 4:32:08 | |
the work he has done in the House
and elsewhere for putting Yemen on | 4:32:08 | 4:32:13 | |
our agenda and it's a similar
tribute I want to make to my | 4:32:13 | 4:32:18 | |
honourable friend, the member for
Leicester East, for all the work he | 4:32:18 | 4:32:22 | |
has done, and for the inquiry that
he is shortly to launch. As we heard | 4:32:22 | 4:32:29 | |
today, Mr Deputy Speaker, even
before the conflict, Yemen was the | 4:32:29 | 4:32:32 | |
first country in that region but the
war has devastated the country and | 4:32:32 | 4:32:40 | |
its infrastructure. Oxfam refought,
report that ports, roads and bridges | 4:32:40 | 4:32:43 | |
for supply routes for warehouses,
farms and markets have been | 4:32:43 | 4:32:48 | |
destroyed by all sides draining the
country's food stocks. At least | 4:32:48 | 4:32:52 | |
10,000 civilians have already died
in the conflict and at least 40,000 | 4:32:52 | 4:32:57 | |
have been injured. We also know that
the Saudi blockade started on | 4:32:57 | 4:33:03 | |
November the 5th, following the
firing of a ballistic missile into | 4:33:03 | 4:33:06 | |
Saudi territory from Yemen. In
response, Saudi Arabia closed all | 4:33:06 | 4:33:14 | |
land, air and sea ports in Yemen and
ground humanitarian flights and all | 4:33:14 | 4:33:20 | |
other aid for a number of weeks. The
Saudi government may have partially | 4:33:20 | 4:33:25 | |
lifted the blockade. But imports of
vital food, fuel and medicines | 4:33:25 | 4:33:32 | |
remain severely restricted, and
particularly in the rebel held | 4:33:32 | 4:33:38 | |
north, the majority of the
population. And there has been no | 4:33:38 | 4:33:43 | |
clearance for ships containing fuel
preventing the milling and | 4:33:43 | 4:33:49 | |
transportation of food stocks, as
well as the operation of generators | 4:33:49 | 4:33:53 | |
for health, water and sewage
systems. Humanitarian agencies need | 4:33:53 | 4:33:57 | |
at least 1 million litres of fuel
each month. Fuel shortages have shut | 4:33:57 | 4:34:04 | |
down hospitals and deprived entire
cities of clean water and | 4:34:04 | 4:34:08 | |
sanitation. Aid agencies are gravely
concerned about the implications of | 4:34:08 | 4:34:13 | |
the blockade on the existing crisis,
including starvation and diseases | 4:34:13 | 4:34:20 | |
including cholera and diphtheria.
The conflict has had a devastating | 4:34:20 | 4:34:26 | |
impact on civilians, both directly
from the violence on both sides and | 4:34:26 | 4:34:30 | |
from its impact on Yemen's economy
and critical services. They have | 4:34:30 | 4:34:35 | |
experienced, as we have heard, the
largest cholera outbreak in recent | 4:34:35 | 4:34:39 | |
history peaking at almost 900,000
suspected cases. Let's be clear, Mr | 4:34:39 | 4:34:46 | |
Deputy Speaker, Yemen is the world's
worst humanitarian crisis. The | 4:34:46 | 4:34:51 | |
country is on the brink of the
world's largest famine with 80% of | 4:34:51 | 4:34:55 | |
the population, 20.7 million people,
in need of aid. And dusty Honourable | 4:34:55 | 4:35:04 | |
Lady, the member for Glasgow say,
pointed out so vividly earlier, 130 | 4:35:04 | 4:35:10 | |
children die every day in Yemen from
hunger or disease, the equivalent to | 4:35:10 | 4:35:17 | |
a child every few minutes. These
deaths are senseless as they are | 4:35:17 | 4:35:22 | |
preventable, and that's the
conclusion of Save the Children who | 4:35:22 | 4:35:26 | |
have been working in the country for
some time. They also have pointed | 4:35:26 | 4:35:31 | |
out the scale of need with Yemen
requiring 350,000 metric tonnes of | 4:35:31 | 4:35:36 | |
food imports every month, and 80% of
that food must, through the two | 4:35:36 | 4:35:44 | |
ports that are currently closed. We
have heard a little bit this | 4:35:44 | 4:35:50 | |
afternoon about the relaxing of the
blockades but the blockade, | 4:35:50 | 4:35:57 | |
information we have to date is that
age that has got through has been | 4:35:57 | 4:36:02 | |
pathetically small compared to the
overall scale of need and the | 4:36:02 | 4:36:08 | |
country's stocks of wheat and sugar
will not last for longer than a few | 4:36:08 | 4:36:13 | |
months without a full lifting of the
blockade. We acknowledge on this | 4:36:13 | 4:36:18 | |
side of the House that UK aid has
been vital and that it is really | 4:36:18 | 4:36:26 | |
important that it reaches people on
the ground in Yemen and that DFID | 4:36:26 | 4:36:33 | |
have given 155 million. I also think
we need to take time to pay tribute | 4:36:33 | 4:36:37 | |
to the NGOs, including Save the
Children, Oxfam and Medecins Sans | 4:36:37 | 4:36:44 | |
Frontieres who are working on the
front line to provide emergency food | 4:36:44 | 4:36:48 | |
and other supplies. And also that we
acknowledge their work in being an | 4:36:48 | 4:36:54 | |
advocate for the region and
highlighting some of the really | 4:36:54 | 4:36:59 | |
devastating consequences, not only
of the conflict but of the blockade. | 4:36:59 | 4:37:06 | |
Oxfam has described the conflict in
Yemen as the forgotten war, so we | 4:37:06 | 4:37:14 | |
must acknowledge the important work
those aid agencies are doing at this | 4:37:14 | 4:37:17 | |
really incredibly difficult
situation. Humanitarian support can | 4:37:17 | 4:37:25 | |
only meet a part of the need, and
what we really need to see is the | 4:37:25 | 4:37:31 | |
commercial shipments being allowed
to continue. | 4:37:31 | 4:37:36 | |
The UK Government is the second
largest donor to the appeal, but | 4:37:36 | 4:37:42 | |
efforts to address the humanitarian
situation and push for political | 4:37:42 | 4:37:46 | |
progress have, I think,
unfortunately, been inconsistent | 4:37:46 | 4:37:49 | |
with the ongoing support, the
actions of the Saudi- led coalition. | 4:37:49 | 4:37:57 | |
The UK is the pen holder for Yemen
in the UN Security Council, as well | 4:37:57 | 4:38:02 | |
as one of the largest donors of
humanitarian aid. We are a major | 4:38:02 | 4:38:07 | |
arms supplier to Saudi Arabia and
the UAE, and are so uniquely placed | 4:38:07 | 4:38:12 | |
to demonstrate the political
leadership that is needed to bring | 4:38:12 | 4:38:15 | |
an end to the crisis in Yemen. I
listened closely to what the | 4:38:15 | 4:38:21 | |
minister said this afternoon, and
indeed I think a number of us on | 4:38:21 | 4:38:24 | |
this side of the house have a lot of
respect for the honourable gentleman | 4:38:24 | 4:38:28 | |
and the work that he does, but I do
think the government does need to | 4:38:28 | 4:38:33 | |
work harder to ensure there is not
an incoherence between the foreign | 4:38:33 | 4:38:40 | |
policy for Yemen and Saudi Arabia,
and the DfID humanitarian policies. | 4:38:40 | 4:38:48 | |
I just want in the last few minutes,
Mr Deputy Speaker, to say something | 4:38:48 | 4:38:53 | |
about what needs to happen now. The
UK is a member of the grouping | 4:38:53 | 4:39:02 | |
alongside the UAE, Saudi Arabia, US
and oh man, and led on a UN Security | 4:39:02 | 4:39:07 | |
Council presidential statement in
June which called on all parties to | 4:39:07 | 4:39:11 | |
engage in peace talks, and to allow
unhindered access for humanitarian | 4:39:11 | 4:39:15 | |
supplies. And we know that a meeting
took place yesterday of the members, | 4:39:15 | 4:39:23 | |
and ministers did agree that there
was a shared responsibility amongst | 4:39:23 | 4:39:29 | |
all parties to ensure safe, rapid
and unhindered access for goods and | 4:39:29 | 4:39:34 | |
humanitarian personnel. And also,
ministers said they would back any | 4:39:34 | 4:39:44 | |
redoubling efforts to reach a
political solution, which remains | 4:39:44 | 4:39:48 | |
the only route to ending conflict
and addressing security threats to | 4:39:48 | 4:39:54 | |
Yemen's neighbours. They recognised
the need for all sides to show | 4:39:54 | 4:39:59 | |
flexibility and to abandon
preconditions, and called on Houthis | 4:39:59 | 4:40:02 | |
and their allies to engage the UN
special envoy on the political | 4:40:02 | 4:40:09 | |
process. Ministers agreed that this
urgent issue would necessitate them | 4:40:09 | 4:40:14 | |
meeting and consulting regularly to
coordinate approaches and identify | 4:40:14 | 4:40:17 | |
concrete steps, leading to a
political settlement. The difficulty | 4:40:17 | 4:40:22 | |
we have today is we don't know what
any of that means. So I have a few | 4:40:22 | 4:40:28 | |
requests for the Minister. First,
that we get a lot more information | 4:40:28 | 4:40:34 | |
about what those statements made by
the meeting yesterday will mean in | 4:40:34 | 4:40:39 | |
practice, including a timescale.
That the government uses its | 4:40:39 | 4:40:44 | |
considerable leveraged to ensure
that the blockade by the Saudis is | 4:40:44 | 4:40:51 | |
lifted immediately, to let
humanitarian aid flow. That more | 4:40:51 | 4:40:57 | |
effort is put into a new UN
resolution to condemn what is going | 4:40:57 | 4:41:02 | |
on in Yemen, and ensure that
progress can be made. That the | 4:41:02 | 4:41:07 | |
government does all it can to ensure
there is greater transparency about | 4:41:07 | 4:41:12 | |
what is happening in Yemen,
including greater access for aid | 4:41:12 | 4:41:17 | |
agencies and the media. And lastly,
Mr Deputy Speaker, that we all in | 4:41:17 | 4:41:22 | |
this House not put Yemen into the
too difficult by and get it down and | 4:41:22 | 4:41:29 | |
in some of the conflict, that we
concentrate our efforts on | 4:41:29 | 4:41:37 | |
alleviating the huge distress being
caused to people in that country and | 4:41:37 | 4:41:41 | |
work towards a political solution. A
catastrophe of biblical proportions | 4:41:41 | 4:41:49 | |
was the phrase used by the right
honourable gentleman from Sutton | 4:41:49 | 4:41:53 | |
Coldfield, a former development
secretary. And that is quite a | 4:41:53 | 4:41:58 | |
statement to make. It has been
adumbrated further by many | 4:41:58 | 4:42:02 | |
honourable and write honourable
members who have described | 4:42:02 | 4:42:04 | |
eloquently and chillingly that
miasma of despair and death that | 4:42:04 | 4:42:08 | |
hangs over the people of Yemen at
this time. But what has alarmed me | 4:42:08 | 4:42:19 | |
throughout this debate this
afternoon, which I commend him for | 4:42:19 | 4:42:25 | |
securing, is that you can extract
the word "Yemen" and replace it with | 4:42:25 | 4:42:33 | |
"Syria" in so many circumstances.
Very different conflicts, indeed, | 4:42:33 | 4:42:38 | |
very different complex. But the
suffering and pain and misery and | 4:42:38 | 4:42:44 | |
death is all too familiar in these
types of debates. And it is | 4:42:44 | 4:42:49 | |
important that we do not become
desensitised to that, or, as the | 4:42:49 | 4:42:57 | |
honourable lady from the City of
Durham says, put it into the too | 4:42:57 | 4:43:02 | |
difficult box. The other thing that
alarms me, which also has parallels | 4:43:02 | 4:43:09 | |
with Syria, is weaponise Inc food
against people, leading to some of | 4:43:09 | 4:43:18 | |
the most horrifying tales of hunger
and deprivation, of medieval style | 4:43:18 | 4:43:26 | |
outbreaks of disease that are
killing people into the hundreds of | 4:43:26 | 4:43:31 | |
thousands. I don't want to take up
too much time so I am going to wind | 4:43:31 | 4:43:38 | |
up with this. The Prime Minister is
in the region right now, as the | 4:43:38 | 4:43:45 | |
House debate this issue. And it has
been said that she has raised and | 4:43:45 | 4:43:49 | |
will raise the issue of Yemen. And
of course, it would be preferable | 4:43:49 | 4:43:55 | |
for her to do that than to not do
that, so it is at least a start, but | 4:43:55 | 4:44:00 | |
only a start. Because I am very
tired, as lots of honourable and | 4:44:00 | 4:44:04 | |
write honourable members are, of
hearing of government ministers | 4:44:04 | 4:44:08 | |
raising things. Because I don't know
what that means sometimes. I can | 4:44:08 | 4:44:13 | |
recall my first debate in the house
two years ago was on the case of an | 4:44:13 | 4:44:19 | |
imprisoned Saudi writer, and on the
broader issue of human rights in | 4:44:19 | 4:44:25 | |
Saudi Arabia. I remember carrying
out research for my first debate | 4:44:25 | 4:44:30 | |
with some researchers from the House
of Commons library, who told me at | 4:44:30 | 4:44:34 | |
the time that sometimes it is known
for ministers to raise issues not by | 4:44:34 | 4:44:40 | |
verbalising their views, but by
writing things on sheets of paper | 4:44:40 | 4:44:42 | |
and holding it up, so that it can be
read by other people in the room. | 4:44:42 | 4:44:49 | |
The Minister shakes his head. I
wouldn't dream of accusing the | 4:44:49 | 4:44:53 | |
Minister of doing anything like it,
because he knows I respect him. I | 4:44:53 | 4:44:58 | |
think he is a thoughtful, very good
minister in his department. But I | 4:44:58 | 4:45:02 | |
think it is about time we started to
see some action. The Prime Minister | 4:45:02 | 4:45:07 | |
should not return from her trip
until she has secured something in | 4:45:07 | 4:45:11 | |
terms of the blockade of Yemen. And
I do wish to touch on the issue of | 4:45:11 | 4:45:19 | |
arms sales to Saudi Arabia, as has
been mentioned by other members, as | 4:45:19 | 4:45:24 | |
was raised with the Prime Minister
by my party leader as well. There is | 4:45:24 | 4:45:30 | |
an issue in the fact that we get
billions in arms sales from the UK | 4:45:30 | 4:45:37 | |
to Saudi Arabia, filling up the
coffers of the exchequer with the | 4:45:37 | 4:45:40 | |
tax receipts, into the billions, and
spend only in the millions on aid. I | 4:45:40 | 4:45:49 | |
accept that we are one of the
biggest donors, which is to be | 4:45:49 | 4:45:54 | |
commended, but the aid is
bastardised by the fact that we are | 4:45:54 | 4:45:57 | |
on the one hand facilitating the
shelling of the very people, on the | 4:45:57 | 4:46:02 | |
other hand we are trying to help
with aid. We find ourselves in the | 4:46:02 | 4:46:07 | |
most per verse situation. Whilst I
do not blame this minister in | 4:46:07 | 4:46:13 | |
particular for that, it does seem to
be the characterisation of British | 4:46:13 | 4:46:19 | |
foreign policy, not just in this
complex, but in many political | 4:46:19 | 4:46:24 | |
situations we have been involved in
over a great many years. But I | 4:46:24 | 4:46:32 | |
commend the right honourable
gentleman in securing this debate, | 4:46:32 | 4:46:34 | |
and the work that he and the chair
of the all-party group bows, and my | 4:46:34 | 4:46:39 | |
honourable friend the member for
Glasgow Central. How much better | 4:46:39 | 4:46:43 | |
might it be, Mr Deputy Speaker, if
it was the right honourable | 4:46:43 | 4:46:47 | |
gentleman from Sutton Coldfield
occupying the chair of the Foreign | 4:46:47 | 4:46:51 | |
Secretary around the Cabinet table,
as opposed to the one that occupies | 4:46:51 | 4:46:54 | |
it now? Thank you very much. I will
take just two minutes, as allotted, | 4:46:54 | 4:47:06 | |
so my right honourable friend can
make some closing remarks. Can I | 4:47:06 | 4:47:09 | |
thank him for raising it and thank
colleagues for the way in which they | 4:47:09 | 4:47:13 | |
have dealt with the debate, and the
constructive way in which almost all | 4:47:13 | 4:47:17 | |
colleagues have raised remarks. We
are agreed that we want immediate | 4:47:17 | 4:47:23 | |
access for humanitarian and
commercial aid to get into the ports | 4:47:23 | 4:47:26 | |
in Yemen. I don't want to dance on
the head of a pin of the blockade. | 4:47:26 | 4:47:32 | |
It is what colleagues called it in
the house, it is what it is. There | 4:47:32 | 4:47:37 | |
are international rules about
whether something is a blockade or | 4:47:37 | 4:47:39 | |
not. International humanitarian law
prevents starvation of civilians as | 4:47:39 | 4:47:44 | |
a method of warfare, including
blockades, with the intent of | 4:47:44 | 4:47:47 | |
causing starvation. The public Saudi
statement on their intent is that it | 4:47:47 | 4:47:53 | |
is not to cause starvation but to
ensure missiles do not enter Yemen. | 4:47:53 | 4:47:58 | |
I would be failing if I did not put
that on the record. There has been | 4:47:58 | 4:48:02 | |
an easing in recent days. We are
agreed we want greater access, and | 4:48:02 | 4:48:07 | |
secondly we want an end to the
conflict. I have sought to assure | 4:48:07 | 4:48:12 | |
colleagues we are bending every
sinew to try and assist in a process | 4:48:12 | 4:48:15 | |
in which we are not fully in control
and in which not all parties are yet | 4:48:15 | 4:48:20 | |
engaged in the same way as the
coalition parties are engaged with | 4:48:20 | 4:48:25 | |
the UN. Lastly, to commend the
Secretary of State for International | 4:48:25 | 4:48:30 | |
Development, who has made and sure
in that access to humanitarian aid | 4:48:30 | 4:48:33 | |
is one of the top priorities in
Yemen. We have been feeding millions | 4:48:33 | 4:48:38 | |
of people. We are determined to
continue to do so. Food for 1.8 | 4:48:38 | 4:48:45 | |
million people for at least a month,
nutrition support for 1.7 million | 4:48:45 | 4:48:50 | |
people, water and sanitation for 1.2
million people. The country is doing | 4:48:50 | 4:48:54 | |
what it can not on the aid side. But
we all know commercial access has to | 4:48:54 | 4:49:01 | |
be granted, we need more food, an
end to the urgency of the situation. | 4:49:01 | 4:49:06 | |
We need to also support those who
are trying to ensure a legitimate | 4:49:06 | 4:49:10 | |
government is protected against
those from outside and internal | 4:49:10 | 4:49:14 | |
insurgency. And we need to bend all
our efforts to resolving the | 4:49:14 | 4:49:18 | |
conflict, and the UK will do so to
the best of its ability. Mr Deputy | 4:49:18 | 4:49:25 | |
Speaker, it has been a most useful
debate. There is agreement across | 4:49:25 | 4:49:29 | |
the house on two key things. The
British government must do | 4:49:29 | 4:49:33 | |
everything it can to ensure this
blockade is lifted. It is a breach | 4:49:33 | 4:49:40 | |
of international humanitarian law.
It is a collective punishment | 4:49:40 | 4:49:43 | |
beating for the 27 million people
who live in the Yemen, and it must | 4:49:43 | 4:49:46 | |
be lifted. Secondly, and here the
British government has a most | 4:49:46 | 4:49:51 | |
important role, we must see a
political process that is inclusive | 4:49:51 | 4:49:55 | |
getting going. Those are the two key
messages the Minister I hope will | 4:49:55 | 4:50:01 | |
take home with him, back to the
Foreign Office today. But also, in | 4:50:01 | 4:50:07 | |
different ways, across the house
almost every speaker has pointed to | 4:50:07 | 4:50:10 | |
the Fault line in the policy of the
government which exists. It was set | 4:50:10 | 4:50:15 | |
out with exemplary clarity by the
honourable gentleman for Glasgow | 4:50:15 | 4:50:21 | |
South a few moments ago. That makes
those two objectives more difficult | 4:50:21 | 4:50:25 | |
to achieve. But those are the
objectives which I hope the Minister | 4:50:25 | 4:50:29 | |
will take away with him and the
whole House will want to wish him | 4:50:29 | 4:50:34 | |
success in eg think that. The
question is that this House | 4:50:34 | 4:50:42 | |
considers the current situation in
Yemen. The ayes have it. Thank you, | 4:50:42 | 4:50:54 | |
Mr Deputy Speaker. On a point of
order, tomorrow the house is due to | 4:50:54 | 4:51:00 | |
debate the second reading of the
private members bill entitled | 4:51:00 | 4:51:04 | |
parliamentary constituencies
Amendment Bill. Unfortunately this | 4:51:04 | 4:51:06 | |
morning I was unable to find a copy
of the bill, as it was being | 4:51:06 | 4:51:11 | |
reprinted, as it contained an error.
The error was that Scotland was | 4:51:11 | 4:51:17 | |
omitted from the bill. I am told it
is being reprinted to include | 4:51:17 | 4:51:22 | |
Scotland and will be available at
some point today. Can I ask you | 4:51:22 | 4:51:26 | |
whether the House can debate the
bill tomorrow, bearing in mind | 4:51:26 | 4:51:30 | |
printed copies have not been made
available in good time? And can I | 4:51:30 | 4:51:35 | |
also ask whether you understand that
Her Majesty's official opposition no | 4:51:35 | 4:51:39 | |
longer sees Scotland as important
enough to be named alongside | 4:51:39 | 4:51:43 | |
England, Wales and Northern Ireland
in important pieces of potential | 4:51:43 | 4:51:46 | |
legislation? You were doing all
right until the end. You ruined a | 4:51:46 | 4:51:53 | |
very good point of order. The first
answer is, unfortunately the | 4:51:53 | 4:51:56 | |
opposition are not in charge of
printing, so I think you will regret | 4:51:56 | 4:52:00 | |
what you added on, as there was no
need. But I can say that it is | 4:52:00 | 4:52:06 | |
important that we get it right.
There has been a printing error. It | 4:52:06 | 4:52:11 | |
is enabling us to debate tomorrow,
so to reassure you, we will be here | 4:52:11 | 4:52:15 | |
tomorrow. The debate will take
place. Scotland is included but it | 4:52:15 | 4:52:21 | |
was a complete printing error. So
don't worry about that, and let us | 4:52:21 | 4:52:26 | |
not try and make political points
out of what was a very good point of | 4:52:26 | 4:52:29 | |
order until then. | 4:52:29 | 4:52:35 | |
Now, the second debate, the back
bench withdrawn, will come to the | 4:52:35 | 4:52:40 | |
backbench notion on mental health
and suicide. Doctor Lisa Cameron. | 4:52:40 | 4:52:47 | |
Thank you very much what I want to
thank everyone across this House, | 4:52:47 | 4:52:53 | |
the matter what side of the chamber
they are sitting on, who supported | 4:52:53 | 4:52:57 | |
the application of this important
debate to the backbench business | 4:52:57 | 4:53:00 | |
committee. It is a cross-party
endeavour to raise the profile of | 4:53:00 | 4:53:05 | |
this issue, awareness of mental
health issues within the community, | 4:53:05 | 4:53:13 | |
difficulties regarding access to
services, the importance of funding | 4:53:13 | 4:53:16 | |
adequate support and the progress we
all must make right across the UK | 4:53:16 | 4:53:20 | |
for this population. Before I start
I want to thank the many autism | 4:53:20 | 4:53:27 | |
charities, mental health territories
and research groups that have | 4:53:27 | 4:53:31 | |
reached out to me over the past view
weeks. Mental health charities. I | 4:53:31 | 4:53:36 | |
thank you to giving way, will she
join me in thanking the autism | 4:53:36 | 4:53:44 | |
family who have two autistic boys
and who do so much to support other | 4:53:44 | 4:53:50 | |
families who find it difficult to
access health care. I thank you for | 4:53:50 | 4:53:56 | |
your very important words, yes, the
bedrock of much of the work that is | 4:53:56 | 4:54:00 | |
undertaken right across the UK is
based in small charities, those who | 4:54:00 | 4:54:05 | |
have personal experience and who
knows what works and what needs to | 4:54:05 | 4:54:09 | |
be done. The level of interest in
this debate clearly shows this issue | 4:54:09 | 4:54:14 | |
is important, it is important to so
many across the UK, to some of the | 4:54:14 | 4:54:20 | |
charities that we have already heard
named and to charities who have | 4:54:20 | 4:54:24 | |
contacted myself including the
British autistic Society, well | 4:54:24 | 4:54:31 | |
college of psychiatrists and the
British psychological Society -- | 4:54:31 | 4:54:33 | |
well college. -- royal college. I
thank you for giving way. Would she | 4:54:33 | 4:54:42 | |
agree with me in congratulating some
of the women in a organisation in | 4:54:42 | 4:54:50 | |
Coventry who are very much involved
in mental health issues. And they | 4:54:50 | 4:54:55 | |
will give any help they can. But
quite often the government should | 4:54:55 | 4:55:03 | |
give proper grants to these
organisations. That is a very | 4:55:03 | 4:55:07 | |
important point, we have to make
sure that when we consider | 4:55:07 | 4:55:10 | |
especially young people with
autistic spectrum disorder, often we | 4:55:10 | 4:55:14 | |
are thinking about a family
approach, and carers are at the | 4:55:14 | 4:55:19 | |
forefront of providing support and
they need the best resources | 4:55:19 | 4:55:21 | |
possible. I also want to thank the
many citizens from across these | 4:55:21 | 4:55:27 | |
isles have been in contact with me
to give their own personal accounts. | 4:55:27 | 4:55:33 | |
These have been harrowing to read
and more harrowing for them to | 4:55:33 | 4:55:36 | |
experience, and I think it makes
eagle realise how vital this debate | 4:55:36 | 4:55:41 | |
and this issue is -- makes us the
lights. -- realise. I want to thank | 4:55:41 | 4:55:53 | |
the young patrons who are up in the
chamber today. They have been | 4:55:53 | 4:55:57 | |
helping so many people and raising
important awareness was in finally I | 4:55:57 | 4:56:01 | |
want to give specific thanks to the
MP from South Cambridgeshire and the | 4:56:01 | 4:56:04 | |
MP from Cheshire and Amersham who
have worked very hard on this debate | 4:56:04 | 4:56:10 | |
and for people with spectrum
autistic disorder through the all | 4:56:10 | 4:56:14 | |
Parliamentary group over many many
years. As a psychologist, I contain | 4:56:14 | 4:56:19 | |
you that when it comes to autism and
mental health, progress has been | 4:56:19 | 4:56:26 | |
made since I started in 1990 when
waiting lists were extremely long, | 4:56:26 | 4:56:32 | |
almost a year, or over, and when
services were very very limited. But | 4:56:32 | 4:56:38 | |
much more must be done, right across
the UK. I will give way. Can I take | 4:56:38 | 4:56:44 | |
you that in Durham the waiting list
is still two years long. Excellent | 4:56:44 | 4:56:54 | |
point and that is clearly not
acceptable. We are initiating across | 4:56:54 | 4:57:01 | |
the UK, a waiting time initiative,
but what we are finding is that the | 4:57:01 | 4:57:05 | |
experience at the front line and on
the ground for families and young | 4:57:05 | 4:57:08 | |
people with autism, is that despite
the waiting list initiatives and the | 4:57:08 | 4:57:14 | |
waiting times that are expected to
be in place, that that is not the | 4:57:14 | 4:57:20 | |
reality for people. Therefore we
need to address that quite | 4:57:20 | 4:57:23 | |
seriously. You have been very
generous. Does she also agree that | 4:57:23 | 4:57:32 | |
often mental health issues for
adults with autism can arise out of | 4:57:32 | 4:57:37 | |
the way that they are treated when
they encounter the criminal justice | 4:57:37 | 4:57:41 | |
system in society and that sometimes
behaviours that come along with this | 4:57:41 | 4:57:48 | |
condition can be misinterpreted by
people in the criminal justice | 4:57:48 | 4:57:50 | |
system. It is important that we get
the health provision right but also | 4:57:50 | 4:57:55 | |
make sure that people within the
criminal justice system understand | 4:57:55 | 4:57:58 | |
about autism and take that into
account when they meet adults with | 4:57:58 | 4:58:02 | |
autism. I absolutely wholeheartedly
agree with that point. I actually | 4:58:02 | 4:58:10 | |
have her still clinical experience
of that through working across a | 4:58:10 | 4:58:14 | |
variety of secure hospitals and
prisons in my own practice with the | 4:58:14 | 4:58:18 | |
NHS. You make such a good point in
relation to the criminal justice | 4:58:18 | 4:58:26 | |
system because often people with
autistic spectrum disorder find | 4:58:26 | 4:58:30 | |
themselves caught up in the criminal
justice system which has little | 4:58:30 | 4:58:33 | |
awareness of their needs and the
support they need and therefore when | 4:58:33 | 4:58:38 | |
they get caught up in the system it
is very difficult for them to then | 4:58:38 | 4:58:42 | |
move on and rehabilitate because the
provision is just not there. I will | 4:58:42 | 4:58:46 | |
give way. Thank you. To follow on,
there is an argument that says the | 4:58:46 | 4:58:58 | |
police need training to handle some
of these shunt people, don't you | 4:58:58 | 4:59:02 | |
agree that something should be done
about that to give the police some | 4:59:02 | 4:59:07 | |
sort of training? I would agree with
that point. Police services on the | 4:59:07 | 4:59:15 | |
front line and they deserve the
utmost respect for the work they do. | 4:59:15 | 4:59:20 | |
It is correct to say they require
further training but also further | 4:59:20 | 4:59:25 | |
support and there needs to be a
clear pathway when people do if | 4:59:25 | 4:59:28 | |
civic challenging behaviours in the
community -- when people do exhibit. | 4:59:28 | 4:59:42 | |
I will give way. You will be aware
that the societal body that is more | 4:59:42 | 4:59:51 | |
likely to come in contact with
someone who is potentially going to | 4:59:51 | 4:59:53 | |
take their own life are in fact the
police, and they are doing quite | 4:59:53 | 4:59:58 | |
critical work in both British
Transport Police, to look at how | 4:59:58 | 5:00:08 | |
staff can be trained to identify
potential suicides and to take | 5:00:08 | 5:00:12 | |
action, to take people back at a
time of crisis in their life, to | 5:00:12 | 5:00:16 | |
prevent them actually taking forward
a suicide, and I don't think we | 5:00:16 | 5:00:22 | |
should criticise the police to much,
they are doing great work in this | 5:00:22 | 5:00:24 | |
area. I agree. The police are at the
front line and they are facing the | 5:00:24 | 5:00:30 | |
very crux of the matter when it
comes to life or death situations | 5:00:30 | 5:00:34 | |
and they are doing the very best
with the resources and training that | 5:00:34 | 5:00:37 | |
they have. It requires a clear
pathway so that people who are at | 5:00:37 | 5:00:46 | |
the crisis stage can then access
health services and probably crisis | 5:00:46 | 5:00:53 | |
health services at that critical
stage so the police have somewhere | 5:00:53 | 5:00:59 | |
to make sure their clinical needs
are met because it is unfair for the | 5:00:59 | 5:01:01 | |
police to have to take care of
people's clinical needs when that is | 5:01:01 | 5:01:06 | |
not what they are trained for. If I
can make some progress. In 2016 a | 5:01:06 | 5:01:14 | |
study in Sweden published in the
British Journal of said Cardiff and | 5:01:14 | 5:01:20 | |
people with autism disorder were
nine times more likely to die from | 5:01:20 | 5:01:25 | |
suicide than the rest of the
population -- British Journal of | 5:01:25 | 5:01:29 | |
psychiatry. There is in fact a 16
year age gap in life expectancy | 5:01:29 | 5:01:40 | |
between people with autistic
spectrum disorder and the general | 5:01:40 | 5:01:42 | |
population. To put this bluntly,
people with autistic spectrum | 5:01:42 | 5:01:48 | |
disorder are 28 times more likely to
consider suicide than the average | 5:01:48 | 5:01:52 | |
population, 28 times. These
statistics make one thing very | 5:01:52 | 5:01:58 | |
clear, what we are doing now to
support people with autistic | 5:01:58 | 5:02:01 | |
spectrum disorder is not working, it
is not enough. We know from research | 5:02:01 | 5:02:08 | |
that people with autistic spectrum
disorder by seven out of ten | 5:02:08 | 5:02:12 | |
experience mental health issues
including anxiety and depression, | 5:02:12 | 5:02:17 | |
and we have to have services in
place which make sure that people | 5:02:17 | 5:02:21 | |
are cared for holistically and that
we meet all of their clinical needs. | 5:02:21 | 5:02:27 | |
That might be their autism and it
might also be learning difficulties | 5:02:27 | 5:02:30 | |
but it will also be mental health
issues. Quite frankly today we don't | 5:02:30 | 5:02:35 | |
have services in place that account
for the complexity of the needs | 5:02:35 | 5:02:39 | |
presented. So what types of things
are going wrong for people at the | 5:02:39 | 5:02:45 | |
front line? It is very difficult for
people with autistic spectrum | 5:02:45 | 5:02:50 | |
disorder to access mental health
support to the usual routes. For | 5:02:50 | 5:02:53 | |
most of us, this might be going to
the GP as a first point of contact, | 5:02:53 | 5:03:02 | |
but GP practices are a daunting and
unfamiliar place for people with | 5:03:02 | 5:03:06 | |
autistic spectrum disorder. One
young man wrote to me and described | 5:03:06 | 5:03:12 | |
a recent trip, it was quite hard to
access the GP anyway, getting | 5:03:12 | 5:03:17 | |
through on the phone was very
difficult, he says. The environment | 5:03:17 | 5:03:21 | |
when he got there was more
difficult, it was noisy and very | 5:03:21 | 5:03:26 | |
heart, and there was a loud beep
when I called the next person and I | 5:03:26 | 5:03:29 | |
found that quite painful. When I was
feeling emotionally poorly it became | 5:03:29 | 5:03:34 | |
almost impossible. GP surgeries make
reasonable adjustments for | 5:03:34 | 5:03:40 | |
wheelchair uses everyday, civil --
changes that make the life of these | 5:03:40 | 5:03:47 | |
users better. I think reasonable
adjustments should be made for | 5:03:47 | 5:03:54 | |
autistic spectrum disorder
sufferers. We need easy access to | 5:03:54 | 5:03:58 | |
the service and we need to make sure
that GPs know who is on their | 5:03:58 | 5:04:02 | |
register who has a diagnosis of
autistic spectrum disorder. If | 5:04:02 | 5:04:05 | |
someone with autistic spectrum
disorder bypasses their GP and tries | 5:04:05 | 5:04:11 | |
to go straight to mental health
services, they may face | 5:04:11 | 5:04:15 | |
unprecedented waiting times or they
may simply be refused treatment. | 5:04:15 | 5:04:21 | |
When individuals attend services,
sometimes they find that they get to | 5:04:21 | 5:04:24 | |
the service but then they are
discharged without any follow-up. | 5:04:24 | 5:04:28 | |
Last week at the health select
committee we heard how a young boy | 5:04:28 | 5:04:32 | |
was turned away by adolescent health
services for times despite feeling | 5:04:32 | 5:04:39 | |
suicide because he hadn't yet
attempted to take his own life. This | 5:04:39 | 5:04:43 | |
is extremely important, things have
it a crisis point. We need to be | 5:04:43 | 5:04:49 | |
making sure that we engage in
prevention and that attempting to | 5:04:49 | 5:04:54 | |
take your own life isn't the point
at which you receive treatment, that | 5:04:54 | 5:04:57 | |
early intervention and pinpointing
the symptoms of difficulty are where | 5:04:57 | 5:05:02 | |
we should be aiming for treatment
for them I will give way. Thank you. | 5:05:02 | 5:05:10 | |
Thank you for skin this very
important debate. We sit on the | 5:05:10 | 5:05:12 | |
health select committee -- thank you
for securing this very important | 5:05:12 | 5:05:17 | |
debate. The point at which someone
is most lightly to take their life | 5:05:17 | 5:05:23 | |
is when they are discharged from
inpatient care, -- most likely. | 5:05:23 | 5:05:29 | |
We're waiting for a response in
government, so does she believe that | 5:05:29 | 5:05:34 | |
anything should be done to make sure
that those people who are most | 5:05:34 | 5:05:37 | |
vulnerable, including those with
autistic spectrum disorder, should | 5:05:37 | 5:05:42 | |
be supported in that very important
period? Yes, I do, that is a very | 5:05:42 | 5:05:49 | |
valid point. It is very important
that when people arrive at A&E for | 5:05:49 | 5:05:57 | |
crisis intervention, if they are
admitted for a period of time, that | 5:05:57 | 5:05:59 | |
they are discharged with follow-up,
because often people are going back | 5:05:59 | 5:06:03 | |
to the same circumstances which led
to the difficulties in the same | 5:06:03 | 5:06:07 | |
place in it don't have support to
deal with those difficult | 5:06:07 | 5:06:11 | |
circumcised as they may be placed in
a very vulnerable situation -- those | 5:06:11 | 5:06:15 | |
very difficult circumstances, they
may be placed. If someone with | 5:06:15 | 5:06:25 | |
autistic spectrum disorder feels
unable to go to GP or to reach out | 5:06:25 | 5:06:29 | |
to services in their local
community, they might try to wring a | 5:06:29 | 5:06:34 | |
suicide helpline, but that can be
extremely difficult in itself is | 5:06:34 | 5:06:38 | |
someone who has autistic spectrum
disorder and who finds communication | 5:06:38 | 5:06:40 | |
difficult and who finds social
interaction difficult, and who may | 5:06:40 | 5:06:47 | |
only be able to verbalise some of
the difficulties and who may then | 5:06:47 | 5:06:51 | |
find that there is no follow-up from
that service either. What I'm | 5:06:51 | 5:06:55 | |
saying, the early access point at a
crucial time when early intervention | 5:06:55 | 5:07:00 | |
and prevention of suicide, then we
can prevent mental health problems | 5:07:00 | 5:07:04 | |
from being exacerbated, at that
extremely critical early | 5:07:04 | 5:07:10 | |
intervention stage, much much more
has to be done to make sure access | 5:07:10 | 5:07:14 | |
to services. | 5:07:14 | 5:07:21 | |
If someone with autistic spectrum
disorder does reach a health | 5:07:21 | 5:07:24 | |
professional, they can often find
their mental health problems are | 5:07:24 | 5:07:28 | |
overlooked or misdiagnosed. That
might be because they present an | 5:07:28 | 5:07:32 | |
extremely complex case. They may
also have concomitant learning | 5:07:32 | 5:07:37 | |
difficulties. They may not present
in terms of the symptoms you would | 5:07:37 | 5:07:43 | |
usually expect for anxiety or
depression, because their symptoms | 5:07:43 | 5:07:47 | |
are complicated by the autistic
spectrum disorder itself. So it is | 5:07:47 | 5:07:53 | |
important that mental health
practitioners have training in | 5:07:53 | 5:07:56 | |
autistic spectrum disorder in the
types of presentations that they | 5:07:56 | 5:07:59 | |
might need to try to identify, and
particularly in terms of risk | 5:07:59 | 5:08:03 | |
issues. Diagnosis, I must say, is
still a postcode lottery. I have | 5:08:03 | 5:08:12 | |
requested previously, and I hope to
continue to work with the Minister | 5:08:12 | 5:08:16 | |
on this issue, because we need to
have an understanding of who is | 5:08:16 | 5:08:22 | |
appropriately trained in diagnosis
of autistic spectrum disorder, which | 5:08:22 | 5:08:26 | |
level of specialty do we have in
different types of professions, what | 5:08:26 | 5:08:30 | |
is the workforce plan to make sure
this very great need is addressed | 5:08:30 | 5:08:34 | |
across our society? It is so, so
important. People with autistic | 5:08:34 | 5:08:42 | |
spectrum disorder say they do not
know where to go locally. When I ask | 5:08:42 | 5:08:46 | |
about services in the Health Select
Committee, they say we do not really | 5:08:46 | 5:08:49 | |
have a map of who can diagnose, who
can provide specialist intervention | 5:08:49 | 5:08:54 | |
in which area of NHS England. That
is something we should streamline | 5:08:54 | 5:09:00 | |
and make it easier for people to
gain initial access. I do not want | 5:09:00 | 5:09:05 | |
to take up all of the time today, so
I am going to provide a brief | 5:09:05 | 5:09:11 | |
overview and let others speak
because I know there are so many | 5:09:11 | 5:09:14 | |
people who want to contribute to
this very important debate. But I | 5:09:14 | 5:09:18 | |
wish to touch on another few
important issues. The next one is | 5:09:18 | 5:09:24 | |
mental health therapies and access
to mental health therapies. What I | 5:09:24 | 5:09:29 | |
would do is to request that the
Minister has a look at what works | 5:09:29 | 5:09:34 | |
specifically for people who have
autistic spectrum disorder, and | 5:09:34 | 5:09:38 | |
those who have concomitant mental
health difficulties. I do not think | 5:09:38 | 5:09:43 | |
there is an adequate research base
as yet. I think that is something | 5:09:43 | 5:09:47 | |
that as we know is so critical,
life-saving, that it is something we | 5:09:47 | 5:09:51 | |
really need to prioritise in terms
of funding. Traditional mental | 5:09:51 | 5:09:57 | |
health therapies might not work in
the same way for people with | 5:09:57 | 5:10:00 | |
autistic spectrum disorder. If I've
presented at a GP surgery, I might | 5:10:00 | 5:10:06 | |
be offered problems -- cognitive
behavioural therapy, or what we | 5:10:06 | 5:10:13 | |
don't know if that is the best
option for some with autistic | 5:10:13 | 5:10:16 | |
spectrum disorder or of some kind of
adaptive therapy would be more | 5:10:16 | 5:10:20 | |
appropriate. That is important work
that should be undertaken quickly. I | 5:10:20 | 5:10:32 | |
wanted to speak about a couple of
the individuals who had contacted me | 5:10:32 | 5:10:39 | |
whose own poignant accounts really
struck me. One was an individual | 5:10:39 | 5:10:44 | |
from my own constituency who said
that she has continually tried to | 5:10:44 | 5:10:48 | |
contact services to have access to
services for her daughter, and her | 5:10:48 | 5:10:55 | |
daughter has been repeatedly
self-harming. That has placed the | 5:10:55 | 5:11:00 | |
family in such a stressful situation
over ailing the period of time that | 5:11:00 | 5:11:05 | |
the family themselves, and the
mother, and I think we mentioned | 5:11:05 | 5:11:09 | |
carers earlier, our feeling that
their own mental health is under | 5:11:09 | 5:11:12 | |
stress. What I would say is that it
is extremely important, not just for | 5:11:12 | 5:11:18 | |
the individual in the system, but
also in terms of making sure we | 5:11:18 | 5:11:22 | |
preserve family life, that we can
support carers and families and that | 5:11:22 | 5:11:26 | |
we are not actually placing
additional burden upon the NHS and | 5:11:26 | 5:11:33 | |
services, because families and
parents will go on to develop their | 5:11:33 | 5:11:37 | |
own depression and anxiety when
dealing with an intractable | 5:11:37 | 5:11:40 | |
situation. They don't know how to
cope. If we do not address the | 5:11:40 | 5:11:44 | |
problem at its root, it multiplies
the problem for services across the | 5:11:44 | 5:11:48 | |
UK. I give way. She has been very
generous. Coming to the point about | 5:11:48 | 5:11:55 | |
carers, I met a number of carers
some months ago and one of the | 5:11:55 | 5:11:59 | |
things that struck me was the
distress. Some of them could not | 5:11:59 | 5:12:03 | |
afford a holiday. At the end of the
day, they do not get very much help. | 5:12:03 | 5:12:07 | |
They are not even paid as carers. So
there is a mental health effect on | 5:12:07 | 5:12:13 | |
the carers sometimes as well. That's
exactly the point I'm making. We are | 5:12:13 | 5:12:20 | |
exacerbating the problem for
families. And actually, families are | 5:12:20 | 5:12:22 | |
at grave risk and placed under
significant stress over period of | 5:12:22 | 5:12:27 | |
time, to have their own
difficulties. Things that could have | 5:12:27 | 5:12:32 | |
been avoided if support was put in
at an early stage. The other case | 5:12:32 | 5:12:43 | |
that really struck me was an
individual who contacted me just | 5:12:43 | 5:12:49 | |
last night to say they hoped this
debate would make a difference, | 5:12:49 | 5:12:53 | |
because they had been struggling for
a long time to access services for | 5:12:53 | 5:12:56 | |
their daughter who had been
self-harming over many years, and | 5:12:56 | 5:13:01 | |
who in the past few weeks had tried
to throw themselves onto a Yule | 5:13:01 | 5:13:06 | |
carriageway under a number of cars.
Just feeling at crisis point, | 5:13:06 | 5:13:12 | |
breaking point, feeling isolated,
having a lack of peer support, | 5:13:12 | 5:13:16 | |
having a lack of clinical help at
the time of need. This individual | 5:13:16 | 5:13:19 | |
had been discharged a number of
times after referral for assessment. | 5:13:19 | 5:13:25 | |
I would ask of the Minister, I
understand if an individual comes to | 5:13:25 | 5:13:33 | |
a service and perhaps they do not
fit a diagnosis it can be difficult | 5:13:33 | 5:13:36 | |
to think of the types of services
and follow-up they may need and they | 5:13:36 | 5:13:39 | |
may be discharged. But that has to
be looked at, because young people | 5:13:39 | 5:13:44 | |
in this situation have grave
clinical need. They might not fit a | 5:13:44 | 5:13:49 | |
clinical box, a diagnostic box, but
they have clinical needs that | 5:13:49 | 5:13:52 | |
require to be followed up. These
individuals are falling through the | 5:13:52 | 5:13:56 | |
gaps. This family was concerned that
their young person would be falling | 5:13:56 | 5:14:00 | |
under a car and they would lose them
for good. That cannot be something | 5:14:00 | 5:14:04 | |
we allow to happen into deg's
society. As I say, it is such a | 5:14:04 | 5:14:10 | |
critical issue. It is life-saving.
If the Minister can show the | 5:14:10 | 5:14:14 | |
leadership that we need to do. The
five-year review for mental health | 5:14:14 | 5:14:21 | |
recommends the NHS in England should
develop a referral to treatment | 5:14:21 | 5:14:25 | |
pathway for people with autistic
spectrum disorder. That would be a | 5:14:25 | 5:14:27 | |
vital step. It is too complicated.
People don't know where to access | 5:14:27 | 5:14:33 | |
services, don't know where to go.
Even services themselves do not know | 5:14:33 | 5:14:37 | |
the best route for people after they
present. This has to be streamlined | 5:14:37 | 5:14:40 | |
and we need to see progress in this
regard. We also need, and it has | 5:14:40 | 5:14:49 | |
been mentioned already, is to look
not just at children with autistic | 5:14:49 | 5:14:53 | |
spectrum disorder but across the
life span at adults, too. It is so | 5:14:53 | 5:14:58 | |
important that adults who may have
autistic spectrum disorder have | 5:14:58 | 5:15:01 | |
access to a diagnosis in the first
place, but also if they present with | 5:15:01 | 5:15:05 | |
mental health issues, that they are
able to receive the support that | 5:15:05 | 5:15:09 | |
they need. So this is a care pathway
that has to straddle the life span, | 5:15:09 | 5:15:16 | |
so that none of our constituents
right across the UK. These gaps. It | 5:15:16 | 5:15:23 | |
would be important to ensure that GP
registers, which are recommended why | 5:15:23 | 5:15:30 | |
Nice, where individuals with autism
are highlighted to GPs on the | 5:15:30 | 5:15:35 | |
register, so they can signpost them
so referrals are undertaken. That is | 5:15:35 | 5:15:40 | |
an important issue and last time
this issue was debated, the minister | 5:15:40 | 5:15:43 | |
said they were open to these
suggestions about registers and it | 5:15:43 | 5:15:46 | |
would be important to hear an update
on that today. The Scottish | 5:15:46 | 5:15:53 | |
Government has launched a Scottish
strategy for autism in 2011, | 5:15:53 | 5:15:58 | |
declaring autism as a national prior
roti. I would concur with that. It | 5:15:58 | 5:16:03 | |
is a national prior tea. This means
more than simply diagnosing autism. | 5:16:03 | 5:16:09 | |
It means we must think about people
with autistic spectrum disorder | 5:16:09 | 5:16:11 | |
right across our communities, there
access to services, community | 5:16:11 | 5:16:19 | |
services, their access to society at
large. I would like to know how the | 5:16:19 | 5:16:27 | |
Minister will liaise with other
departments to make sure that we | 5:16:27 | 5:16:30 | |
don't leave people with autism
behind, and to ensure that this is | 5:16:30 | 5:16:35 | |
embedded into all of government
policy. I have certainly written to | 5:16:35 | 5:16:39 | |
the Scottish Government ask for
their update, because the policy, | 5:16:39 | 5:16:43 | |
and I have read it thoroughly, is an
extremely good policy. But I still | 5:16:43 | 5:16:49 | |
find constituents contacting me to
say that on the ground, in terms of | 5:16:49 | 5:16:52 | |
implementation, they are having the
same difficulties accessing | 5:16:52 | 5:16:55 | |
services, and things are not working
in the way they should. So it is | 5:16:55 | 5:16:59 | |
something that we can perhaps work
together on with the Scottish | 5:16:59 | 5:17:04 | |
Government, with the Welsh
government and the UK Government to | 5:17:04 | 5:17:07 | |
ensure that best practice is in
place for people with autism right | 5:17:07 | 5:17:10 | |
across the UK. In concluding, Madam
Deputy Speaker, I hope the Minister | 5:17:10 | 5:17:19 | |
will listen to some of the
recommendations today. Others from | 5:17:19 | 5:17:23 | |
across this House will have
extremely important accounts to | 5:17:23 | 5:17:25 | |
give. I want to welcome all of the
accounts and interventions we have | 5:17:25 | 5:17:30 | |
had. It is a concerning, vital
issue, and important we work | 5:17:30 | 5:17:35 | |
together cross party to ensure that
people with autistic spectrum | 5:17:35 | 5:17:38 | |
disorder and mental health problems
do not fall through the gaps but | 5:17:38 | 5:17:41 | |
have the services they deserve. The
house knows we have limited time | 5:17:41 | 5:17:48 | |
this afternoon, so we have to start
with a time limit of seven minutes | 5:17:48 | 5:17:53 | |
for backbenchers. Thank you, Madam
Deputy Speaker. It is a pleasure and | 5:17:53 | 5:18:00 | |
honour to speak in this debate.
Because it is such an important and | 5:18:00 | 5:18:07 | |
critical issue that we actually make
sure that those on the autistic | 5:18:07 | 5:18:13 | |
spectrum are wrapped up in our
mental health and medical services, | 5:18:13 | 5:18:17 | |
so this is no longer an issue we
even need to be raising in this | 5:18:17 | 5:18:21 | |
House. This government has put
mental health on the political | 5:18:21 | 5:18:26 | |
agenda as none has before. We have
invested more in mental health than | 5:18:26 | 5:18:30 | |
any previous government, we have
hired tens of thousands of | 5:18:30 | 5:18:33 | |
specialist staff, and we have
enshrined the parity of esteem | 5:18:33 | 5:18:37 | |
between mental and physical health
into law. The Prime Minister today | 5:18:37 | 5:18:41 | |
big step forward is by opening a
review into the 1983 Mental Health | 5:18:41 | 5:18:45 | |
Act last month, because too many
people asked all suffering from | 5:18:45 | 5:18:48 | |
discrimination. I don't seek to be
partisan in these debates but for | 5:18:48 | 5:18:55 | |
the record it is important to note
that the amendment to introduce | 5:18:55 | 5:18:58 | |
parity of esteem comment or health
into the social health care act back | 5:18:58 | 5:19:03 | |
in 2012 was introduced by Labour
peers in the House of Lords and was | 5:19:03 | 5:19:06 | |
voted against by Tory peers. I would
not like the government to seek to | 5:19:06 | 5:19:10 | |
claim credit. I thank my honourable
friend for her comments. There is, | 5:19:10 | 5:19:18 | |
despite the efforts across party
with all those for whom this is a | 5:19:18 | 5:19:23 | |
passionate area of policy, who are
continuing to suffer, in my opinion | 5:19:23 | 5:19:27 | |
as one who has cared for 18 years
for a now young adults with autism, | 5:19:27 | 5:19:31 | |
those who are having a miserable
time in the mental health system. | 5:19:31 | 5:19:35 | |
They are not yet benefiting from
improved access to core therapies | 5:19:35 | 5:19:39 | |
and services, and that is our
autistic men and women across our | 5:19:39 | 5:19:42 | |
country. So we must do better. A
quarter of us across-the-board will | 5:19:42 | 5:19:50 | |
experience mental ill-health during
our lives. Within the autism | 5:19:50 | 5:19:53 | |
community that rises to eight in
ten. Eight in ten of those who are | 5:19:53 | 5:19:58 | |
diagnosed as autistic are suffering
from mental ill-health. To those of | 5:19:58 | 5:20:02 | |
us familiar with autism, this is not
a surprise, sadly. Society is | 5:20:02 | 5:20:07 | |
designed for us neuro typicals as my
son likes to call me. So almost | 5:20:07 | 5:20:14 | |
everything designed for us can cause
stress and worry for those who are | 5:20:14 | 5:20:19 | |
wired differently. Having a
different perspective on the world | 5:20:19 | 5:20:22 | |
has huge potential benefits for our
society and economy and we fail all | 5:20:22 | 5:20:26 | |
those on the autistics to the
detriment of both the individual, | 5:20:26 | 5:20:30 | |
but also our society more widely. We
are failing those individuals and I | 5:20:30 | 5:20:36 | |
was appalled to discover the scale
of suicide across the autism | 5:20:36 | 5:20:40 | |
community, as I did some research in
covering this subject. The UK autism | 5:20:40 | 5:20:49 | |
research charity revealed findings
that autistic people without a | 5:20:49 | 5:20:51 | |
learning difficulty are nine times
more likely to die by suicide than | 5:20:51 | 5:20:55 | |
the rest of the population. Research
is now beginning to uncover almost | 5:20:55 | 5:21:00 | |
identical rates within the UK, as we
start to build that database. As a | 5:21:00 | 5:21:05 | |
parent, this is awful to hear. As an
MP, it is a rallying cry. The causes | 5:21:05 | 5:21:11 | |
are still being researched, and
speaking as the mother of one, it is | 5:21:11 | 5:21:16 | |
a complex environment. People are
complexes anyway. Stick them in a -- | 5:21:16 | 5:21:21 | |
in an environment that is often a
year in and it is not surprising | 5:21:21 | 5:21:24 | |
that it is sometimes too hard to
cope. There are three ways in which | 5:21:24 | 5:21:28 | |
I know mental health services are
letting down autistic citizens and | 5:21:28 | 5:21:31 | |
we have a duty to solve it. First,
we know that autistic people's | 5:21:31 | 5:21:37 | |
mental health problems are often
misdiagnosed or are missed | 5:21:37 | 5:21:40 | |
completely. Despite mental health
problems being the norm, there are | 5:21:40 | 5:21:44 | |
no systematic mental health checks
for to stick people. These problems | 5:21:44 | 5:21:48 | |
can often present very differently,
partly because so many become | 5:21:48 | 5:21:52 | |
practised at masking their feelings
to fit in. If you are severely | 5:21:52 | 5:21:57 | |
autistic, it is perhaps easier to
identify those who suffer. But those | 5:21:57 | 5:22:01 | |
who are managing to live in a
mainstream environment have learned | 5:22:01 | 5:22:05 | |
some extraordinarily clever,
adaptable ways to cope with our | 5:22:05 | 5:22:09 | |
world, but to their own very severe
mental ill-health. What is truly | 5:22:09 | 5:22:16 | |
traumatic for one autistic person
might not be for another, so when | 5:22:16 | 5:22:19 | |
they seek help, autistic people can
often find their worries dismissed | 5:22:19 | 5:22:23 | |
out of hand, missed or
misunderstood. The NHS's five-year | 5:22:23 | 5:22:28 | |
forward view comment or health
recommends the development of | 5:22:28 | 5:22:32 | |
autistic specific care pathways for
mental ill-health. This, I on the | 5:22:32 | 5:22:37 | |
stand, is supposed to begin in 2018
but we have heard nothing since | 5:22:37 | 5:22:41 | |
February, so perhaps the Minister
can update us if the project is | 5:22:41 | 5:22:46 | |
taking place and who is leading it,
what will its scope be and how will | 5:22:46 | 5:22:49 | |
autistic people be involved in
helping design it, to make sure we | 5:22:49 | 5:22:52 | |
are not missing obvious things? | 5:22:52 | 5:23:01 | |
This is a crucial opportunity to
begin transforming care for autistic | 5:23:01 | 5:23:05 | |
people but we must get it right. We
know that autistic people can | 5:23:05 | 5:23:09 | |
struggle to find the support that
works for them, it is assumed that | 5:23:09 | 5:23:13 | |
what works for one kind will work
for them. The lady who is an expert | 5:23:13 | 5:23:24 | |
in providing this support for
people, groups who worked with | 5:23:24 | 5:23:27 | |
strangers can be entirely
counter-productive and we need to | 5:23:27 | 5:23:32 | |
think about how we are just that
support, the idea of asking someone | 5:23:32 | 5:23:36 | |
who cannot read faces, how to
process information, would be in any | 5:23:36 | 5:23:42 | |
way supportive when they are in a
state of deep stress shows a | 5:23:42 | 5:23:46 | |
complete gap in understanding of the
stresses and the actual problems | 5:23:46 | 5:23:51 | |
which make it more difficult to cope
in our grouping of those... Yes, of | 5:23:51 | 5:23:56 | |
course. She is making a very
powerful speech was the speaking | 5:23:56 | 5:24:03 | |
from personal experience, which is
the most by double in the chamber, | 5:24:03 | 5:24:09 | |
-- the most valuable in the chamber,
I have heard disturbing accounts in | 5:24:09 | 5:24:12 | |
the past few weeks of people with
autistic spectrum disorder being | 5:24:12 | 5:24:17 | |
referred to group -based therapies
which shows a lack of awareness of | 5:24:17 | 5:24:20 | |
difficulties in terms of symptoms,
being able to interact socially, | 5:24:20 | 5:24:25 | |
communicate, and that would actually
place an individual with autistic | 5:24:25 | 5:24:28 | |
spectrum under greatest as than it
seems -- under greater stress than | 5:24:28 | 5:24:35 | |
someone with a different needs. I
agree. It is the expectation of | 5:24:35 | 5:24:47 | |
understanding a group which is one
of the most difficult things you | 5:24:47 | 5:24:52 | |
could ask an autistic young person
or even an older adult to take on. | 5:24:52 | 5:25:03 | |
This tops all the research
priorities if you ask those in that | 5:25:03 | 5:25:06 | |
sector, so I hope very much the
government is looking to support | 5:25:06 | 5:25:09 | |
those who are doing this work
because in our manifesto we said we | 5:25:09 | 5:25:14 | |
would address the need for better
treatment across the whole spectrum | 5:25:14 | 5:25:16 | |
of mental health conditions by
making the UK the leading research | 5:25:16 | 5:25:22 | |
and technology economy in the world
for mental health bringing together | 5:25:22 | 5:25:25 | |
public, private and charity
investment. I support those words | 5:25:25 | 5:25:28 | |
wholeheartedly and I hope we will be
able to do much more. Thirdly, I | 5:25:28 | 5:25:37 | |
would like to raise the question of
NHS data, it is critical in this | 5:25:37 | 5:25:45 | |
one, because GPs are so often the
first port of call for those with | 5:25:45 | 5:25:49 | |
mental ill-health, going to their GP
can be really difficult for autistic | 5:25:49 | 5:25:52 | |
people. It is an environment with an
familiar lighting, sounds which | 5:25:52 | 5:25:58 | |
cannot be escaped, and the example
of a bell going off is a classic | 5:25:58 | 5:26:03 | |
one. It is the unexpected sound and
the pitch, the lack of understanding | 5:26:03 | 5:26:10 | |
that we can have of what certain
pitches of Sam can do to those who | 5:26:10 | 5:26:13 | |
have hypersensitivity is -- sound. A
school bell might sound loud for a | 5:26:13 | 5:26:22 | |
reason because you are trying to get
the attention of children, and to an | 5:26:22 | 5:26:27 | |
autistic young boy or girl it can be
like a bomb going off, so to | 5:26:27 | 5:26:31 | |
consider the impact, when you are in
a strange place, to have these | 5:26:31 | 5:26:35 | |
heightened sensitivities, and strip
lighting in public spaces is another | 5:26:35 | 5:26:40 | |
one which creates enormous tension,
we need to be able to provide some | 5:26:40 | 5:26:44 | |
thought as to how we do that. Of
course will stop euro thank you to | 5:26:44 | 5:26:52 | |
giving way. Euro -- thank you
forgiving way. Some supermarkets | 5:26:52 | 5:27:00 | |
like Sainsbury's provide help in
store, the staff gain a better | 5:27:00 | 5:27:10 | |
understanding if a child is having a
meltdown, that people should not | 5:27:10 | 5:27:13 | |
think automatically that they are
naughty, they might be experiencing | 5:27:13 | 5:27:17 | |
difficulties relating to autism. You
are right. Speaking as someone who | 5:27:17 | 5:27:22 | |
has experienced a meltdown in a
supermarket many times, and someone | 5:27:22 | 5:27:27 | |
attempting to offer a word of
support or usually criticism, the | 5:27:27 | 5:27:31 | |
line I always use, you tell me when
you have an autistic child and you | 5:27:31 | 5:27:39 | |
take them shopping, and I will tell
you what the problem is. We need to | 5:27:39 | 5:27:43 | |
provide them a framework of reality
and calm which will sort that out. | 5:27:43 | 5:27:47 | |
Cinemas do this and we can do this,
as well. I just asked that the | 5:27:47 | 5:27:52 | |
minister takes this forward and
takes on the challenge of getting | 5:27:52 | 5:27:56 | |
this to work so our GPs can provide
the support they need. I don't | 5:27:56 | 5:28:02 | |
criticise the lady for taking
interventions, many people want to | 5:28:02 | 5:28:05 | |
intervention about that means we
have to go down to five minutes per | 5:28:05 | 5:28:08 | |
person. Thank you madam Deputy
Speaker. I want to thank the | 5:28:08 | 5:28:17 | |
backbench business committee for
bringing this debate and the member | 5:28:17 | 5:28:19 | |
for East Kilbride. For leading on
it. And a special thank you to the | 5:28:19 | 5:28:26 | |
speakers who have done so much to
support autism awareness in this | 5:28:26 | 5:28:29 | |
house and beyond, especially their
support for the National Autistic | 5:28:29 | 5:28:32 | |
Society. I have a young cousin on
the autistic spectrum and I married | 5:28:32 | 5:28:36 | |
to someone who runs an educational
school for people with autism. In my | 5:28:36 | 5:28:44 | |
constituency to we have prioritised
making Bristol autism friendly, we | 5:28:44 | 5:28:48 | |
have made a start but have more to
do, we have a training event for | 5:28:48 | 5:28:52 | |
employers and how they can make
reasonable adjustments, we have had | 5:28:52 | 5:28:56 | |
training for my team and have also
made adjustments. Unemployment is | 5:28:56 | 5:29:00 | |
very high amongst people with autism
and this contributes to mental | 5:29:00 | 5:29:03 | |
ill-health. According to the
National Autistic Society and the | 5:29:03 | 5:29:08 | |
16% of adults with autism are in
full-time paid work and only 32% in | 5:29:08 | 5:29:13 | |
some kind of paid work compared with
47% of disabled people and 80% of | 5:29:13 | 5:29:18 | |
all non-disabled people, and we know
how unemployment affects mental | 5:29:18 | 5:29:23 | |
health and self-esteem full stop the
government has committed to our | 5:29:23 | 5:29:27 | |
fingers gap so in the interests of
the mental health of people on the | 5:29:27 | 5:29:31 | |
autistic spectrum -- committed to
closing the gap. I've heard from | 5:29:31 | 5:29:40 | |
schools in my constituency that
funding pressures affect their | 5:29:40 | 5:29:42 | |
specialist provision for children
with special educational needs and | 5:29:42 | 5:29:45 | |
for helping with mental health
problems, some families have told me | 5:29:45 | 5:29:50 | |
that if they have effective or
partial exclusion from school | 5:29:50 | 5:29:53 | |
arising from a lack of understanding
of autism or lack of support, this | 5:29:53 | 5:29:58 | |
leads to further mental health
problems, exacerbated by a lack of | 5:29:58 | 5:30:02 | |
autism focus and high demand on
mental health care generally, but | 5:30:02 | 5:30:08 | |
they have also told me about the
great support from some teachers and | 5:30:08 | 5:30:12 | |
some schools but their fears about
staff changes and worries about | 5:30:12 | 5:30:15 | |
funding. I have spoken to public
venues about the things they can do | 5:30:15 | 5:30:19 | |
with the help of the National
Autistic Society to make their own | 5:30:19 | 5:30:22 | |
use more autistic friendly, because
it can't be acceptable that | 5:30:22 | 5:30:25 | |
according to the will college of
psychiatrists autistic people are | 5:30:25 | 5:30:30 | |
more than seven times likely to
commit suicide if they are on the | 5:30:30 | 5:30:38 | |
autistic spectrum disorder. -- royal
college. In my team we have made | 5:30:38 | 5:30:45 | |
autism a priority and one of the
things we have done in association | 5:30:45 | 5:30:49 | |
with the Bristol support service and
the local autistic Society, is told | 5:30:49 | 5:30:53 | |
the country's first MP constituency
surgery for adults with autism and | 5:30:53 | 5:30:58 | |
parents and children on the autistic
spectrum and I encourage all | 5:30:58 | 5:31:04 | |
colleagues to do likewise and I'm
happy to talk to them. It meant that | 5:31:04 | 5:31:09 | |
adults with autism and parents and
children with autism were able to | 5:31:09 | 5:31:12 | |
come and talk to us about challenges
they faced, simple things like | 5:31:12 | 5:31:17 | |
transport and public space as well
as housing and employment which all | 5:31:17 | 5:31:21 | |
affect mental health, and I'm not
going to repeat the things have | 5:31:21 | 5:31:25 | |
said, especially the lady for is
Kilbride, I'm sorry I can't | 5:31:25 | 5:31:29 | |
pronounce the last bit -- East
Kilbride. Thank you! Siesta listed | 5:31:29 | 5:31:37 | |
recommendations which I urge the
minister to follow, but I want to | 5:31:37 | 5:31:41 | |
finish -- she has listed. I want to
recommend to things, colleagues who | 5:31:41 | 5:31:46 | |
care about autism, can consider
asking a member of staff to champion | 5:31:46 | 5:31:54 | |
the cause, and I work very closely
with my member of staff Mike Davis | 5:31:54 | 5:31:57 | |
who is the local autism lead and has
taught me a great deal about how to | 5:31:57 | 5:32:04 | |
make Bristol a truly autism friendly
city. With someone like Mike with | 5:32:04 | 5:32:09 | |
me, other colleagues could also do
similar, and I will be able to do | 5:32:09 | 5:32:13 | |
much more than I would have done. I
would also like to take a leak, in | 5:32:13 | 5:32:18 | |
the restoration and renewal
programme -- take a leap. We could | 5:32:18 | 5:32:23 | |
make this place autism friendly.
This would help people on the | 5:32:23 | 5:32:28 | |
autistic spectrum and children and
their patients but also all of us | 5:32:28 | 5:32:33 | |
because it would make the place, and
more welcoming and truly accessible | 5:32:33 | 5:32:36 | |
for everybody. That will be the
parliament, the mother of all | 5:32:36 | 5:32:43 | |
parliaments, leading by example to
the rest of the country so we can | 5:32:43 | 5:32:46 | |
truly make the UK autism friendly
and address the chronic levels of | 5:32:46 | 5:32:50 | |
mental ill health and suicide rates
that exist for people on the | 5:32:50 | 5:32:57 | |
autistic spectrum and I commend
colleagues for the suggestions made | 5:32:57 | 5:33:01 | |
by members of my team and others in
this House. Hugh memory and -- Hugh | 5:33:01 | 5:33:07 | |
Merriman. It was a pleasure to
follow this. She spoke about her | 5:33:07 | 5:33:14 | |
constituency surgery, and likely
have that pleasure last week but | 5:33:14 | 5:33:18 | |
this was not something I fixed, but
everyone who had booked appointments | 5:33:18 | 5:33:26 | |
were on the spectrum, and that is
telling how much pressure we face in | 5:33:26 | 5:33:29 | |
our constituents who are having such
huge challenges for the can I thank | 5:33:29 | 5:33:36 | |
the member for East Kilbride and
other parts of her constituency | 5:33:36 | 5:33:41 | |
which are harder to say, for
securing this debate. It is a | 5:33:41 | 5:33:44 | |
pleasure. Without deviating, it
times very well with a report that | 5:33:44 | 5:33:50 | |
has been published by the all-party
Parliamentary group for autism, | 5:33:50 | 5:33:58 | |
entitled autism and education in
England 2017, and this is relevant | 5:33:58 | 5:34:02 | |
because when it comes to mental
health and those on the autistic | 5:34:02 | 5:34:06 | |
spectrum unafraid to say that much
of begins to go wrong inside our | 5:34:06 | 5:34:13 | |
schools -- I'm afraid. Schools are
still not quick to do with the many | 5:34:13 | 5:34:16 | |
people and the convex issues that
arise from autism. -- complex. It | 5:34:16 | 5:34:22 | |
was a pleasure to co-chair the
Parliamentary inquiry which led to | 5:34:22 | 5:34:25 | |
this report with the APPG and my
neighbour, the member for Lewis. We | 5:34:25 | 5:34:33 | |
heard from young people on the
spectrum, parents and educational | 5:34:33 | 5:34:37 | |
experts, as to where things were not
working and where they could | 5:34:37 | 5:34:39 | |
improve. This report is a very
positive report, it talks of what | 5:34:39 | 5:34:46 | |
can be done better, not just down to
money, it's a question of sharing | 5:34:46 | 5:34:51 | |
best practice, but unfortunately the
reality of the current situation in | 5:34:51 | 5:34:54 | |
our schools is that fewer than 50%
of those thousands of people who | 5:34:54 | 5:35:00 | |
have responded to our request for
information felt happy at school, so | 5:35:00 | 5:35:05 | |
they felt uncomfortable at school,
fewer than 50% of teachers felt that | 5:35:05 | 5:35:10 | |
they were equipped to deal with
those who had autism -- felt unhappy | 5:35:10 | 5:35:17 | |
at school. It is great that the
government will make sure that | 5:35:17 | 5:35:21 | |
initial teacher training provides
autism awareness within it but there | 5:35:21 | 5:35:26 | |
are many who have already been
taught to teacher training and are | 5:35:26 | 5:35:30 | |
teaching in schools and that
includes headteachers that don't | 5:35:30 | 5:35:32 | |
have sufficient understanding of the
needs of autistic children. Where | 5:35:32 | 5:35:37 | |
that can go wrong for the autistic
child and indeed their parents is | 5:35:37 | 5:35:43 | |
exclusion, and exclusion leads to
isolation and isolation leads to | 5:35:43 | 5:35:46 | |
mental health and indeed suicide.
That is where we can do better, but | 5:35:46 | 5:35:51 | |
sadly for an autistic child at
school, they are three times more | 5:35:51 | 5:35:55 | |
likely to be excluded than those who
are not on the spectrum, so this is | 5:35:55 | 5:36:00 | |
something we need to do better. More
training in schools, better practice | 5:36:00 | 5:36:06 | |
being shared, it should not just be
the case that special schools have | 5:36:06 | 5:36:09 | |
all of the expertise, 70% of all of
those pupils who are on the spectrum | 5:36:09 | 5:36:14 | |
are in mainstream schools, so we
need the specialist schools to be | 5:36:14 | 5:36:16 | |
sharing what they know with our
mainstream schools. Only when we | 5:36:16 | 5:36:21 | |
start to tackle that will be do
better. I was delighted that the | 5:36:21 | 5:36:25 | |
government welcomed the report and
we are now very much looking for the | 5:36:25 | 5:36:29 | |
government to support the
recommendations in the report, the | 5:36:29 | 5:36:31 | |
report will be launched by the APPG
at the beginning of the year and I | 5:36:31 | 5:36:35 | |
hope that all members here will come
and support us. And I also touch on | 5:36:35 | 5:36:43 | |
the many challenges that those
people who have left the school | 5:36:43 | 5:36:47 | |
system and are now in the workplace
are, one of those who came to my | 5:36:47 | 5:36:51 | |
constituency surgery last week
talked about the struggles he has | 5:36:51 | 5:36:54 | |
connecting with his job centre, and
I have committed to going along with | 5:36:54 | 5:36:58 | |
him and to meet with the new work
coaches I have through the roll-out | 5:36:58 | 5:37:02 | |
of Universal Credit, to see the
application process for him, to see | 5:37:02 | 5:37:06 | |
how he can follow it through. I'm
pleased that the government is now | 5:37:06 | 5:37:11 | |
looking at tailoring the support for
those who are struggling to enter | 5:37:11 | 5:37:16 | |
the workplace, recognising that
there are individual needs for those | 5:37:16 | 5:37:19 | |
who are left seeking jobs, and are
actually looking to make sure that | 5:37:19 | 5:37:24 | |
individual specialists are in place
in job centres including those that | 5:37:24 | 5:37:27 | |
are ready to tackle and help those
with mental health difficulties. | 5:37:27 | 5:37:35 | |
In closing, I want to again ring the
bell for what we can do better in | 5:37:35 | 5:37:41 | |
schools, to support all our schools,
to make sure mental health for those | 5:37:41 | 5:37:46 | |
on the spectrum is absolutely
recognised, and to absolutely | 5:37:46 | 5:37:49 | |
believe we can all do better across
party. Thank you, Madam Deputy | 5:37:49 | 5:37:57 | |
Speaker. Can I thank the honourable
member for her very thoughtful and | 5:37:57 | 5:38:06 | |
comprehensive speech and for setting
out the difficulties which people | 5:38:06 | 5:38:10 | |
with autism face. I am tempted to
say,"What she said". But I don't | 5:38:10 | 5:38:19 | |
think that does justice to the
situation. Earlier this year, I met | 5:38:19 | 5:38:24 | |
with a charity which does research
into autism. If other honourable | 5:38:24 | 5:38:28 | |
members have not seen their report,
" Personal tragedies, public | 5:38:28 | 5:38:35 | |
crisis", looking into reasons why
people on the autistic spectrum | 5:38:35 | 5:38:39 | |
disorder die early, up to 16 years
earlier, as the honourable member | 5:38:39 | 5:38:44 | |
has said, I would encourage them to
do so. It makes shocking reading. | 5:38:44 | 5:38:49 | |
Some of the key points are that
autism in itself is not a mental | 5:38:49 | 5:38:54 | |
health problem, but eight out of ten
autistic people will face mental | 5:38:54 | 5:38:59 | |
health difficulties, like anxiety
and depression. Four out of ten | 5:38:59 | 5:39:02 | |
children with autism have two or
more mental health problems. The | 5:39:02 | 5:39:09 | |
research shows that suicide is the
leading cause of death among people | 5:39:09 | 5:39:14 | |
with autism. Autistic adults without
a learning disability are nine times | 5:39:14 | 5:39:18 | |
more likely than others to die by
suicide. And those autistic adults | 5:39:18 | 5:39:28 | |
with a learning disability are twice
as likely to die by suicide. These | 5:39:28 | 5:39:31 | |
are shocking figures. Madam Deputy
Speaker, suicide is preventable and | 5:39:31 | 5:39:39 | |
we need to do more, much more to
reduce these figures. And we need to | 5:39:39 | 5:39:44 | |
recognise some of the specific
problems people face. As other | 5:39:44 | 5:39:49 | |
members have said, many mental
health problems can look different | 5:39:49 | 5:39:53 | |
in autistic people, and we need to
recognise that and make sure those | 5:39:53 | 5:39:57 | |
are addressed and that people have
the appropriate treatments and are | 5:39:57 | 5:40:00 | |
dealt with appropriately. She is
quoting from an excellent piece of | 5:40:00 | 5:40:07 | |
research, but is she also aware that
the autism commission, which I | 5:40:07 | 5:40:13 | |
chair, has conducted a piece of work
about a spectrum of obstacles, the | 5:40:13 | 5:40:22 | |
difficulty for people with autism
actually getting through to the | 5:40:22 | 5:40:24 | |
right people in the health service?
Those two pieces of research are so | 5:40:24 | 5:40:29 | |
powerful. I absolutely agree that
the two pieces of work go together | 5:40:29 | 5:40:35 | |
and can help us to improve services
for people with autistic spectrum | 5:40:35 | 5:40:39 | |
disorder. As others have said, it is
increasingly obvious that some | 5:40:39 | 5:40:47 | |
mental health therapies are not the
right ones for people with autism. | 5:40:47 | 5:40:51 | |
They don't work in the same way that
they do with others. We need to do | 5:40:51 | 5:40:56 | |
more research into those areas. It
can be difficult for autistic people | 5:40:56 | 5:41:00 | |
to approach services for support. We
have heard about the issues of going | 5:41:00 | 5:41:04 | |
to AGP 's surgery. And autistic
people and their families are left | 5:41:04 | 5:41:10 | |
fighting the system too often
because information is not shared. I | 5:41:10 | 5:41:14 | |
think there are a number of things
we need to do. We need to diagnose | 5:41:14 | 5:41:21 | |
autism at a much earlier stage so
appropriate interventions can take | 5:41:21 | 5:41:25 | |
place and be offered to people with
autism and their families. Secondly, | 5:41:25 | 5:41:31 | |
we need to record people who have
autism on GP records and collect | 5:41:31 | 5:41:35 | |
data so we can identify the issues
and develop appropriate services. | 5:41:35 | 5:41:42 | |
And it is good that in the
Westminster Hall debate last | 5:41:42 | 5:41:45 | |
September the government did commit
to gathering data on the figures. I | 5:41:45 | 5:41:50 | |
hope the Minister can update us on
progress in that area. Next, the | 5:41:50 | 5:41:54 | |
autism care pathway proposed, it
would be useful to hear from the | 5:41:54 | 5:42:04 | |
Minister, can she let us know the
progress that has been made on | 5:42:04 | 5:42:08 | |
developing the pathway and whether
or not it will address suicide as a | 5:42:08 | 5:42:12 | |
specific part of that issue? There
is another concern, that suicide | 5:42:12 | 5:42:20 | |
prevention measures are not well
designed for autistic people, and I | 5:42:20 | 5:42:24 | |
hope the Minister will look at what
needs to be done differently to | 5:42:24 | 5:42:27 | |
reach and support autistic people in
crisis. Finally, none of the recent | 5:42:27 | 5:42:32 | |
cross government suicide prevention
strategies make a reference to | 5:42:32 | 5:42:36 | |
autism. Given that we now know the
risk of suicide is so high in the | 5:42:36 | 5:42:43 | |
autism community and that there are
very different issues, as we have | 5:42:43 | 5:42:46 | |
heard, will she commit to ensuring
that the next strategy looks direct | 5:42:46 | 5:42:50 | |
Lee at how to help autistic people
in crisis? Can I first of all join | 5:42:50 | 5:42:58 | |
members in congratulating the member
for agreeing to this debate? The | 5:42:58 | 5:43:07 | |
issue she raised, also raised by my
honourable friend, the issue that | 5:43:07 | 5:43:14 | |
nine times more people are going to
take their own lives who have autism | 5:43:14 | 5:43:17 | |
than in the general population, my
honourable friend has already | 5:43:17 | 5:43:20 | |
outlined that autism is linked to
depression and anxiety. Can I say a | 5:43:20 | 5:43:28 | |
general point? I welcome this debate
because it is another example of | 5:43:28 | 5:43:32 | |
this House talking about mental
health. The more we talk about it, | 5:43:32 | 5:43:37 | |
the better the debate gets. People
should be congratulated for it. Can | 5:43:37 | 5:43:41 | |
I put on record thanks to the
charities and the army of volunteers | 5:43:41 | 5:43:45 | |
who work with adults and children
with autism, because they are the | 5:43:45 | 5:43:51 | |
unsung heroes in terms of the work
they do? I want to raise two points. | 5:43:51 | 5:43:57 | |
One is about waiting times. The
other one is a point raised by the | 5:43:57 | 5:44:01 | |
honourable lady from East Kilbride,
the issue around pathways and how we | 5:44:01 | 5:44:04 | |
develop them. In Durham, we have a
two year waiting list for autism | 5:44:04 | 5:44:10 | |
diagnosis. I have tried to get to
the bottom of why this is the case. | 5:44:10 | 5:44:14 | |
It is only when you meet some of the
parents of the young people that you | 5:44:14 | 5:44:17 | |
see what a tragedy this is. It is
the pressure on those individual | 5:44:17 | 5:44:22 | |
families. And I suspect some of them
are developing mental health issues | 5:44:22 | 5:44:28 | |
because the other thing which
concerns me is the lost opportunity | 5:44:28 | 5:44:31 | |
for those children. The only get one
chance at education. When you come | 5:44:31 | 5:44:36 | |
across cases where children have
been out of school for nearly a year | 5:44:36 | 5:44:39 | |
waiting for a diagnosis, I think
that is... I am aware, everyone is | 5:44:39 | 5:44:46 | |
aware of the pressure on social
services but we must get this | 5:44:46 | 5:44:52 | |
pathway to early diagnosis more
streamlined. The other thing which | 5:44:52 | 5:44:58 | |
concerns me, the honourable
gentleman spoke earlier about | 5:44:58 | 5:45:00 | |
schools. The most appalling thing I
have seen is where a school excluded | 5:45:00 | 5:45:05 | |
a child with autism, even though he
had a diagnosis because "He was too | 5:45:05 | 5:45:10 | |
difficult and affecting the league
tables". We should monitor that | 5:45:10 | 5:45:14 | |
because it is a disgrace. Thankfully
the local authority stepped in and | 5:45:14 | 5:45:18 | |
put that right but the pressure on
that parent and child is totally | 5:45:18 | 5:45:21 | |
unacceptable. But we are talking
about mental health. We have a | 5:45:21 | 5:45:26 | |
health minister replying to this
debate. But this is wider than just | 5:45:26 | 5:45:30 | |
health. We have made great strides
in terms of parity of esteem. We are | 5:45:30 | 5:45:42 | |
winning that battle. Now, we need to
win the next battle. That is how to | 5:45:42 | 5:45:46 | |
hard-wire mental well-being into
public policy. It is not just | 5:45:46 | 5:45:52 | |
health. It is education. It is
housing. It is social care. It is | 5:45:52 | 5:45:58 | |
local authorities. Employment, as my
honourable friend says from a | 5:45:58 | 5:46:03 | |
sedentary position. The other big
problem which a lot of individuals | 5:46:03 | 5:46:07 | |
who even go through the school
system get to is that point, which I | 5:46:07 | 5:46:12 | |
have had with a few constituents,
where education finishers and the | 5:46:12 | 5:46:16 | |
young person transitions into work.
A lot of these people, young people | 5:46:16 | 5:46:22 | |
who are perfectly capable of doing
some type of employment, seem to get | 5:46:22 | 5:46:26 | |
lost in the system. So that pathway
the honourable lady for East | 5:46:26 | 5:46:30 | |
Kilbride spoke of has to be right
all the way through life. It is not | 5:46:30 | 5:46:35 | |
just health. It involves a
cross-section. In terms of trying to | 5:46:35 | 5:46:40 | |
get this hard-wired into the system,
I think what the government has to | 5:46:40 | 5:46:45 | |
do is to make sure that at Cabinet
committee level, or other, that | 5:46:45 | 5:46:49 | |
this, like in the last Labour
government with veterans, when | 5:46:49 | 5:46:53 | |
policies come forward in each
department, mental health and | 5:46:53 | 5:46:57 | |
well-being is part of that process.
I am grateful because I know time is | 5:46:57 | 5:47:02 | |
short. On that very point, would he
agree that part of those Cabinet | 5:47:02 | 5:47:07 | |
committee style discussions should
be making sure there is an | 5:47:07 | 5:47:10 | |
understanding in the Department of
Justice and the Department of home | 5:47:10 | 5:47:13 | |
affairs of the ways in which people
with autism come into contact with | 5:47:13 | 5:47:17 | |
the criminal justice system, and an
understanding of behaviours | 5:47:17 | 5:47:23 | |
exhibited by individuals, which are
often misinterpreted and end up with | 5:47:23 | 5:47:27 | |
people being arrested? I agree
totally. It is not just a health | 5:47:27 | 5:47:32 | |
issue. This is across the entire
issues. The honourable lady made a | 5:47:32 | 5:47:38 | |
very good point. How many times have
we seen people reacting to a child | 5:47:38 | 5:47:42 | |
in a supermarket, kicking off, with
no recognition that that child is on | 5:47:42 | 5:47:51 | |
the autism spectrum, and the
challenges which that places on the | 5:47:51 | 5:47:55 | |
parent. I have to say, the
government has, in health terms, to | 5:47:55 | 5:48:02 | |
look at the way funding is. I accept
that the government is committed to | 5:48:02 | 5:48:05 | |
more funding for mental health, but
the system was set up, the health | 5:48:05 | 5:48:10 | |
and social act, makes it more
difficult for the money that is | 5:48:10 | 5:48:15 | |
going in at the top to get to where
it is needed on the ground. If I was | 5:48:15 | 5:48:20 | |
a health minister I would be
frustrated that I was pushing a | 5:48:20 | 5:48:24 | |
lever that was not connected to
anything. CCGs and others are taking | 5:48:24 | 5:48:30 | |
money that should go to mental
health and divert it to other | 5:48:30 | 5:48:33 | |
priorities which they see as
important. Madam Deputy Speaker, can | 5:48:33 | 5:48:38 | |
I finish by saying congratulations
again to the honourable lady and | 5:48:38 | 5:48:43 | |
everyone who has spoken? We have
shone a spotlight on mental health, | 5:48:43 | 5:48:47 | |
which is a good thing. We have shone
a spotlight on an issue which is not | 5:48:47 | 5:48:53 | |
widely understood in wider
communities, autism, and also the | 5:48:53 | 5:48:57 | |
aspects of those who are on the
autism spectrum who suffer from | 5:48:57 | 5:49:01 | |
mental illness as well. Thank you,
Madam Deputy Speaker. I would like | 5:49:01 | 5:49:07 | |
to add my thanks to the honourable
lady. I am very pleased, once again, | 5:49:07 | 5:49:20 | |
to participate in a debate about
autism, a condition that we almost | 5:49:20 | 5:49:24 | |
four too long, for too many years
has not been sufficiently recognised | 5:49:24 | 5:49:30 | |
and its challenges fully
appreciated. That is starting to | 5:49:30 | 5:49:33 | |
change, which is good news for all
of those living with autism who have | 5:49:33 | 5:49:37 | |
for too long been either not
recognised or misunderstood. We know | 5:49:37 | 5:49:42 | |
that autism is not a mental health
condition but we also know that | 5:49:42 | 5:49:46 | |
autistic people are more likely to
develop mental health problems such | 5:49:46 | 5:49:51 | |
as anxiety disorders, OCD and
depression. This is for a host of | 5:49:51 | 5:49:55 | |
reasons, such as not being
supported, social isolation, and | 5:49:55 | 5:50:00 | |
research shows that a diagnosis of
autism can lead to an increased risk | 5:50:00 | 5:50:04 | |
of mental health conditions. Support
for those with autism is very | 5:50:04 | 5:50:08 | |
important and it has been recognised
in the chamber this afternoon. | 5:50:08 | 5:50:12 | |
Anxiety disorders are common amongst
those on the autism spectrum. | 5:50:12 | 5:50:18 | |
Roughly 40% have symptoms of at
least one anxiety disorder at any | 5:50:18 | 5:50:22 | |
one time, compared with 15% in the
general population. Such disorders | 5:50:22 | 5:50:28 | |
in themselves can lead to
depression. It is very worrying that | 5:50:28 | 5:50:32 | |
young people living with autism are
28 times more likely to consider | 5:50:32 | 5:50:37 | |
suicide than other young people.
This affects adults, two, who have | 5:50:37 | 5:50:42 | |
not been diagnosed. There is no
doubt that people with this | 5:50:42 | 5:50:45 | |
condition have an increased risk of
suicide, as the honourable lady | 5:50:45 | 5:50:48 | |
pointed out. This could well be
because 66% of autistic people and | 5:50:48 | 5:51:00 | |
67% of their families have reported
feeling socially isolated, and | 5:51:00 | 5:51:04 | |
70%... I will, indeed. Does the
honourable lady recognised there is | 5:51:04 | 5:51:12 | |
a major problem with families of
autistic children, which is that | 5:51:12 | 5:51:15 | |
should one of their children take
their own life, be after suicide | 5:51:15 | 5:51:22 | |
support is also not there, so the
social isolation they had in life | 5:51:22 | 5:51:26 | |
continues after death and increases
the comp locations of their grief? | 5:51:26 | 5:51:32 | |
This is an area that must be
tackled. -- increases the | 5:51:32 | 5:51:37 | |
complications of their grief. I
absolutely agree. It is important | 5:51:37 | 5:51:42 | |
that if they suicide takes place
that families are supported through | 5:51:42 | 5:51:45 | |
that as much as possible. 70% of
autistic people are reported to have | 5:51:45 | 5:51:52 | |
mental health disorders such as
anxiety or depression, and suicide | 5:51:52 | 5:51:55 | |
is one of the leading causes of
death in the autism community. That | 5:51:55 | 5:52:00 | |
tells us that this issue demands our
attention. Diagnosis is important, | 5:52:00 | 5:52:06 | |
because with diagnosis must be,
should be the foundation upon which | 5:52:06 | 5:52:12 | |
effective support for autistic
individuals and their families can | 5:52:12 | 5:52:16 | |
be built. Similarly, a delay in
diagnosis can prevent or hinder | 5:52:16 | 5:52:21 | |
effective support and intervention
strategies being put in place. The | 5:52:21 | 5:52:25 | |
National Autistic Society in
Scotland reported that in 2013, 60 | 5:52:25 | 5:52:29 | |
1% of those surveys said they felt
relieved when they received a | 5:52:29 | 5:52:35 | |
diagnosis, because such a diagnosis
can end years of feeling | 5:52:35 | 5:52:38 | |
misunderstood and isolated. | 5:52:38 | 5:52:42 | |
It's important that I mention as a
Scottish MP, the Scottish | 5:52:42 | 5:52:48 | |
Government's strategy for autism,
which is working to improve waiting | 5:52:48 | 5:52:52 | |
times for diagnosis and assessment
to create consistency in standards | 5:52:52 | 5:52:57 | |
across Scotland based upon research.
The entire autism spectrum needs to | 5:52:57 | 5:53:02 | |
be addressed and as well as the
whole life span of people living | 5:53:02 | 5:53:07 | |
with autism. In Scotland. This is
the logic behind this autism | 5:53:07 | 5:53:13 | |
strategy so this is a very positive
step and we have heard about | 5:53:13 | 5:53:16 | |
initiatives such as autism hours in
supermarkets and special cinematic | 5:53:16 | 5:53:22 | |
screenings which are autism friendly
and these are very important and | 5:53:22 | 5:53:25 | |
positive steps, and there is greater
awareness of autism out there but we | 5:53:25 | 5:53:32 | |
know and we recognise that we still
have a long way to go. I would end | 5:53:32 | 5:53:38 | |
by saying we often think of those
with autism as having difficulty | 5:53:38 | 5:53:42 | |
seeing the world as we see it but
the truth is, we need to see the | 5:53:42 | 5:53:46 | |
world as they see it. Because maybe
then we can start making real | 5:53:46 | 5:53:50 | |
progress. David Linden. Thank you
very much. Can I say what pressure | 5:53:50 | 5:54:00 | |
it is to serve under the
chairmanship of the daughter of | 5:54:00 | 5:54:05 | |
elder sleep. | 5:54:05 | 5:54:06 | |
It is a real pleasure to follow the
lady from North Ayrshire. I'm | 5:54:07 | 5:54:16 | |
disappointed that I don't have three
communities in my constituency but I | 5:54:16 | 5:54:19 | |
do welcome the opportunity to take
part in this debate and to sum up on | 5:54:19 | 5:54:23 | |
behalf of the SNP. This is an
important issue and it is important | 5:54:23 | 5:54:30 | |
that we recognise the reasons
primarily due to poor mental health | 5:54:30 | 5:54:36 | |
that people have, and for autistic
people that is four out of every | 5:54:36 | 5:54:44 | |
five and the member touched on this,
but the charity said two thirds of | 5:54:44 | 5:54:51 | |
autistic adults have thought about
committing suicide and 35% have | 5:54:51 | 5:54:56 | |
attempted suicide, quite shockingly,
and that is a very concerning | 5:54:56 | 5:54:59 | |
figure. Only 1% of people in the UK
are autistic. These are very | 5:54:59 | 5:55:12 | |
shocking statistics. Despite all of
this, there isn't much research to | 5:55:12 | 5:55:20 | |
indicate why the disparity exists.
That is why the research project | 5:55:20 | 5:55:26 | |
commissioned is to be commended, and
the ongoing work with Nottingham | 5:55:26 | 5:55:29 | |
University, looking to understand
suicide and autism. We must continue | 5:55:29 | 5:55:34 | |
to do with what we can, given that
people with autism are more likely | 5:55:34 | 5:55:39 | |
to be diagnosed with a mental health
condition, early support is vital. | 5:55:39 | 5:55:44 | |
The reason diagnosis can hinder
intervention shortages and members | 5:55:44 | 5:55:48 | |
from other nations in the UK will be
aware of where these are but I would | 5:55:48 | 5:55:55 | |
like to say a few words from a
Scottish perspective of the I won't | 5:55:55 | 5:55:59 | |
repeat what my friend from East
Kilbride and others have said, for | 5:55:59 | 5:56:04 | |
reasons of time, but the Scottish
Government acknowledges there is | 5:56:04 | 5:56:09 | |
more we can do to improve waiting
times and this is something that is | 5:56:09 | 5:56:13 | |
working towards the strategy that
was outlined earlier. Surveys have | 5:56:13 | 5:56:18 | |
shown a positive diagnosed if --
diagnostic experience can help | 5:56:18 | 5:56:33 | |
people. In addition to working
towards faster diagnosis the | 5:56:33 | 5:56:38 | |
Scottish Government is investing
money into mental health and the | 5:56:38 | 5:56:42 | |
point the lady from Liverpool waiver
tree said, I commend what she has | 5:56:42 | 5:56:49 | |
done, and this financial year
investment in the Scottish NHS is | 5:56:49 | 5:56:54 | |
Wernbloom pounds for the first time
this represents a huge increase from | 5:56:54 | 5:57:00 | |
the £650 million in 2006-2007 -- is
£1 billion. I very much welcome | 5:57:00 | 5:57:08 | |
this, and being the son-in-law of
someone who works in a medical | 5:57:08 | 5:57:12 | |
practice and has recently retired,
the mother will often say, about | 5:57:12 | 5:57:19 | |
half of the people that come through
the door will come through with | 5:57:19 | 5:57:21 | |
mental health issues but that is not
how the funding has always been | 5:57:21 | 5:57:24 | |
distributed in recent years. I am
happy to give way. I would actually | 5:57:24 | 5:57:33 | |
praise the SNP government for its
autism strategy through the work in | 5:57:33 | 5:57:38 | |
my constituency I can see the
benefit of that, but would the | 5:57:38 | 5:57:41 | |
member agreed that the good work
that has been done by the SNP could | 5:57:41 | 5:57:47 | |
be more widely advertised because
there is a slight gap between the | 5:57:47 | 5:57:51 | |
general public of Scotland
understanding the work that is being | 5:57:51 | 5:57:53 | |
done, and maybe via the media or
some sort of advertising it would be | 5:57:53 | 5:57:58 | |
good to flagship that. I agree. He
has considerable experience and I | 5:57:58 | 5:58:06 | |
know you were a member of the
Scottish parliament just before the | 5:58:06 | 5:58:09 | |
last Parliament. I agree with that
and I'm happy to put that on the | 5:58:09 | 5:58:13 | |
record. The additional funding that
I was talking that, if reached 35 | 5:58:13 | 5:58:18 | |
and pounds five 2022 -- 35mm pounds
by 2022. This local provision is | 5:58:18 | 5:58:28 | |
crucial and the mental health
sufferers will get the help when | 5:58:28 | 5:58:37 | |
they need it. All of these figures
and actions might seem like hot air | 5:58:37 | 5:58:43 | |
but there really is an understanding
in this place that realises the | 5:58:43 | 5:58:47 | |
difference between life and death
for some people, and it is crucial | 5:58:47 | 5:58:50 | |
that we get this right and learn
from past mistakes if we are to | 5:58:50 | 5:58:54 | |
prevent what are in essence
preventable deaths. It is clear from | 5:58:54 | 5:59:00 | |
the shocking statistic, 35% of
autistic people have attempted | 5:59:00 | 5:59:04 | |
suicide, that there is much more
that can be done, and there is a big | 5:59:04 | 5:59:08 | |
challenge, and if we cannot
collectively take responsibility and | 5:59:08 | 5:59:11 | |
see that percentage fall then we are
failing all of those who live with | 5:59:11 | 5:59:15 | |
autism. Just before I wonder I want
to make sure that my friend has a | 5:59:15 | 5:59:22 | |
significant amount of time, I want
to pay tribute to organisations | 5:59:22 | 5:59:25 | |
doing fantastic work in Scotland,
like the autism network Scotland and | 5:59:25 | 5:59:30 | |
the National Autistic Society in
Scotland. Scottish autism do | 5:59:30 | 5:59:40 | |
fantastic work, not least their work
at conferences on children's mental | 5:59:40 | 5:59:45 | |
health, but on a local level, there
are families engaged who are keen to | 5:59:45 | 5:59:51 | |
visit me. We have a friendly parent
led group which gives support and | 5:59:51 | 6:00:00 | |
advice to people on the autistic
spectrum disorder. These really do | 6:00:00 | 6:00:07 | |
provide wonderful support at a very
local level and the impact cannot be | 6:00:07 | 6:00:12 | |
underestimated. There's a point to
be made the funding for them which | 6:00:12 | 6:00:18 | |
is a subject for another day.
Something as simple as one of their | 6:00:18 | 6:00:23 | |
regular coffee mornings can be a
real lifeline for individuals and | 6:00:23 | 6:00:27 | |
families in the East End of Glasgow
and I commend that. We realise that | 6:00:27 | 6:00:33 | |
groups like these do an awful lot to
help autistic people and their | 6:00:33 | 6:00:37 | |
families live healthy lives every
single day and in conclusion I would | 6:00:37 | 6:00:43 | |
commend but we need to resolve that
we do everything to make sure that | 6:00:43 | 6:00:46 | |
people on the autistic disorder
spectrum can lead healthy happy | 6:00:46 | 6:00:52 | |
lives and with that I wish everyone
a happy St Andrews day. Thank you | 6:00:52 | 6:00:57 | |
very much. I will start by
congratulating the honourable member | 6:00:57 | 6:01:04 | |
for East Kilbride and others... For
securing this very important debate | 6:01:04 | 6:01:12 | |
and for her excellent opening
speech. I would also like to thank | 6:01:12 | 6:01:19 | |
autistic, the National Autistic
Society and ambitious about autism | 6:01:19 | 6:01:24 | |
for the important work they do and
the support they provide for people | 6:01:24 | 6:01:27 | |
living with autism. This is the
second debate on autism we have had | 6:01:27 | 6:01:32 | |
since we returned from the summer
recess and it is good that we have | 6:01:32 | 6:01:36 | |
had such a constructive debate
today. I would also like to thank | 6:01:36 | 6:01:41 | |
all of the members for their
excellent and passionate speeches, | 6:01:41 | 6:01:45 | |
the member for Berwick-upon-Tweed,
Bexhill and Battle, North Ayrshire, | 6:01:45 | 6:01:51 | |
and my friends for Bristol West and
North Durham. They all spoke | 6:01:51 | 6:01:57 | |
movingly, often from personal family
experience, or from constituents or | 6:01:57 | 6:02:02 | |
about constituents, and this may
have been a short debate but | 6:02:02 | 6:02:07 | |
nevertheless it has been a very
powerful one. It is important to say | 6:02:07 | 6:02:12 | |
that autism is not a mental health
condition, it is possible to have | 6:02:12 | 6:02:17 | |
autism and also to have good mental
health, but that is not always the | 6:02:17 | 6:02:21 | |
case as we have heard between 70%
and 80% of autistic people | 6:02:21 | 6:02:27 | |
developmental health problems like
anxiety and depression and four out | 6:02:27 | 6:02:32 | |
of ten children with autism have at
least two mental health problems for | 6:02:32 | 6:02:37 | |
the adults with autism who do not
have learning disabilities are nine | 6:02:37 | 6:02:39 | |
times more likely to die by suicide
than the general population. And | 6:02:39 | 6:02:45 | |
those with a learning disability are
twice as likely to take their own | 6:02:45 | 6:02:48 | |
life or stop clearly more needs to
be done to support the mental health | 6:02:48 | 6:02:52 | |
needs of people living with autism.
Reducing the health inequalities | 6:02:52 | 6:02:57 | |
experienced people living with --
experience of people living with | 6:02:57 | 6:03:04 | |
autism needs to be done and mental
health is a major factor. Making | 6:03:04 | 6:03:12 | |
sure of access to appropriate mental
health care is important in the | 6:03:12 | 6:03:16 | |
fight to tackle these disparities.
However there are two significant | 6:03:16 | 6:03:21 | |
barriers to accessing the right
treatment, and in a debate we had in | 6:03:21 | 6:03:25 | |
September we talked about waiting
times for autism diagnosis and it is | 6:03:25 | 6:03:29 | |
a scandal that waiting times for
autism diagnosis can reach up to 125 | 6:03:29 | 6:03:36 | |
weeks, accessing a diagnosis is the
first step towards securing the | 6:03:36 | 6:03:38 | |
support people living with autism
need and this is true for mental | 6:03:38 | 6:03:43 | |
health support, as well. We are
pleased that data on waiting times | 6:03:43 | 6:03:47 | |
will be collected and published from
April next year, and hopefully this | 6:03:47 | 6:03:54 | |
will help drive an improvement in
this area. Today I want to focus on | 6:03:54 | 6:03:59 | |
how mental health services can be
improved for people living with | 6:03:59 | 6:04:01 | |
autism, last week my friend, the
member for Stockton South, told the | 6:04:01 | 6:04:06 | |
health select committee about a
young boy with autism, and as we | 6:04:06 | 6:04:11 | |
have heard from the lady who opened
the debate, he was rejected four | 6:04:11 | 6:04:16 | |
times the treatment by child and
adolescent mental health services, | 6:04:16 | 6:04:20 | |
despite reporting suicidal thoughts
and having a family is due to | 6:04:20 | 6:04:24 | |
suicide, it was rejected -- having a
family history of suicide. There | 6:04:24 | 6:04:31 | |
were concerns about this when the
lady stated to the select committee | 6:04:31 | 6:04:36 | |
that this was now the norm within
children's mental health services | 6:04:36 | 6:04:40 | |
and this is worrying, generally, the
children's well-being but for those | 6:04:40 | 6:04:45 | |
living with autism it is especially
worrying for a number of reasons. | 6:04:45 | 6:04:51 | |
Experience is of suicide are
different within the autism | 6:04:51 | 6:04:54 | |
community than in the wider
population and therefore relying on | 6:04:54 | 6:04:57 | |
certain behaviours and expectations
of what someone in need of support | 6:04:57 | 6:05:01 | |
will look like and be very
dangerous. In the children | 6:05:01 | 6:05:05 | |
Commissioner 's own words, and I
quote, children with mental health | 6:05:05 | 6:05:10 | |
bubbles will become adults with
mental health problems very soon -- | 6:05:10 | 6:05:14 | |
mental health problems. We cannot
miss early opportunities to | 6:05:14 | 6:05:20 | |
intervene, this means sadly that the
spirits of this boy was one of many. | 6:05:20 | 6:05:26 | |
The five-year forward view
recommends an NHS England develop | 6:05:26 | 6:05:30 | |
autism specific mental health care
pathways, but there is currently no | 6:05:30 | 6:05:33 | |
information on the timetable, the
scope of the pathway and who will be | 6:05:33 | 6:05:38 | |
leading this, and the pathway should
cover both children and young people | 6:05:38 | 6:05:42 | |
and adults on the autism spectrum
and it should take into account the | 6:05:42 | 6:05:46 | |
fact that mental health conditions
can present themselves in different | 6:05:46 | 6:05:49 | |
ways for people with autism and it
should recognise that mental health | 6:05:49 | 6:05:53 | |
treatment may need to be tailored
for people with autism. I hope the | 6:05:53 | 6:05:58 | |
minister will reflect on this in her
response will tell the house when | 6:05:58 | 6:06:02 | |
and how pathways will be developed.
Early intervention and prevention | 6:06:02 | 6:06:06 | |
should form the basis of our mental
health services but there are | 6:06:06 | 6:06:10 | |
specific issues that too often make
it difficult for people with autism | 6:06:10 | 6:06:17 | |
to access the early vital support,
the first point of call for many | 6:06:17 | 6:06:21 | |
people experiencing mental health
issues is their GP and for many | 6:06:21 | 6:06:24 | |
people with autism this can be
difficult, surgeries are very often | 6:06:24 | 6:06:28 | |
not autism friendly, and this is how
one autistic adult described the | 6:06:28 | 6:06:32 | |
experience. They said, when anxiety
is really bad I start to feel a | 6:06:32 | 6:06:38 | |
panic attack at the prospect of just
having to step out of my front door, | 6:06:38 | 6:06:43 | |
so having to go to the GP is like
having to climb Everest, they said. | 6:06:43 | 6:06:49 | |
It is important for GPs to
understand that every autistic | 6:06:49 | 6:06:51 | |
person is different and each person
may need some adjustments to be made | 6:06:51 | 6:06:55 | |
before they are able to feel
comfortable to attend their local GP | 6:06:55 | 6:06:58 | |
surgery. For example, an autistic
person might be hypersensitive to | 6:06:58 | 6:07:03 | |
sound and light, and so may need an
appointment at a quieter time of | 6:07:03 | 6:07:08 | |
day, and others may be
hypersensitive and benefit from a | 6:07:08 | 6:07:12 | |
more stimulating environment. GPs
may also need to tailor how they | 6:07:12 | 6:07:17 | |
communicate with their patient,
using clear language and finding | 6:07:17 | 6:07:21 | |
ways to communicate with someone who
does not speak. To do this GPs need | 6:07:21 | 6:07:27 | |
to be able to access detailed and
accurate records about their | 6:07:27 | 6:07:29 | |
patients needs. Karoly GPs often do
not record much of the information | 6:07:29 | 6:07:35 | |
about their autistic patients --
Karoly. | 6:07:35 | 6:07:44 | |
In August, the National Institute
for health and care excellence | 6:07:44 | 6:07:47 | |
recommended that GPs keep a set of
local autism registers similar to | 6:07:47 | 6:07:50 | |
those kept for people with learning
disabilities and asthma and | 6:07:50 | 6:07:56 | |
diabetes. So, will the Minister say
when she expects these | 6:07:56 | 6:08:01 | |
recommendations on autism GP
registers to be adopted, and will | 6:08:01 | 6:08:05 | |
she say if NHS England will work to
ensure that the data gathered is | 6:08:05 | 6:08:10 | |
used to inform better commissioning
of autism and mental health | 6:08:10 | 6:08:12 | |
services? Madam Deputy Speaker, we
have heard powerful accounts today | 6:08:12 | 6:08:19 | |
right across the House about what
happens when we get mental health | 6:08:19 | 6:08:22 | |
treatment wrong. It is all too easy
for people with autism to receive | 6:08:22 | 6:08:28 | |
inappropriate mental health
treatment, or to be blocked from | 6:08:28 | 6:08:30 | |
accessing treatment altogether. As
the government review the Mental | 6:08:30 | 6:08:36 | |
Health Act, it is important they
consider everything raised in this | 6:08:36 | 6:08:40 | |
debate today and ensure autistic
people are supported. The shocking | 6:08:40 | 6:08:45 | |
suicide statistics and testimony
from members today show how crucial | 6:08:45 | 6:08:49 | |
it is that more is done on this
issue, and the power is in the | 6:08:49 | 6:08:54 | |
Minister's hands, and I hope she has
listened and will act. Thank you, | 6:08:54 | 6:09:02 | |
Madam Deputy Speaker. I have really
enjoyed listening to this debate. I | 6:09:02 | 6:09:08 | |
have heard so much good common sense
and so much passion and care about | 6:09:08 | 6:09:13 | |
what is a very important issue. And
I am glad we got to it, even if it | 6:09:13 | 6:09:19 | |
was truncated. I would like to
congratulate the honourable member | 6:09:19 | 6:09:28 | |
and everyone who has participated. I
think everyone is absolutely right | 6:09:28 | 6:09:32 | |
to say we need to understand more
about mental health, autism and | 6:09:32 | 6:09:37 | |
suicide, and to understand more
about what makes appropriate | 6:09:37 | 6:09:41 | |
treatment for mental health for
people with autism. The fact that we | 6:09:41 | 6:09:44 | |
have these suicide statistics tells
us that we really have got to do | 6:09:44 | 6:09:48 | |
better. I have been very happy and
enjoyed listening to all honourable | 6:09:48 | 6:09:56 | |
members' speeches on this but would
particularly like to pay tribute to | 6:09:56 | 6:10:00 | |
the honourable lady, with the
expertise and personal passion she | 6:10:00 | 6:10:03 | |
made her arguments. She has given me
a lot to think about but I would | 6:10:03 | 6:10:08 | |
like to reaffirm to her that my door
is always open to hear more about | 6:10:08 | 6:10:12 | |
this, and I do actually want to hear
about how the strategy in Scotland | 6:10:12 | 6:10:16 | |
has delivered. Because she is right,
where we see good practice we should | 6:10:16 | 6:10:22 | |
share it and make sure it becomes
the norm for everyone. I would be | 6:10:22 | 6:10:26 | |
interested in hearing more about
that. We can never debate autism | 6:10:26 | 6:10:33 | |
without considering waiting times
and honourable members are quite | 6:10:33 | 6:10:35 | |
right that in some areas they are
extremely poor indeed. We will be | 6:10:35 | 6:10:40 | |
publishing more data on this from
April and that will give us the | 6:10:40 | 6:10:44 | |
tools to give challenge. But
clearly, particularly in the | 6:10:44 | 6:10:48 | |
north-east, the waiting times are
not good enough and we are failing | 6:10:48 | 6:10:52 | |
people when we don't give them an
early diagnosis. The honourable | 6:10:52 | 6:10:58 | |
member for Cardiff West mentioned
the criminal justice system, which | 6:10:58 | 6:11:02 | |
is where people with autism and
mental health issues can often end | 6:11:02 | 6:11:05 | |
up. And he is right, we need to
improve the sensitivity with which | 6:11:05 | 6:11:11 | |
criminal justice agencies deal with
people with autism and mental | 6:11:11 | 6:11:13 | |
health. I can advise him that the
Ministry of Justice is working with | 6:11:13 | 6:11:18 | |
the Home Office and the CPS to
develop new guidelines to help | 6:11:18 | 6:11:23 | |
officers support people. But I need
to do more with the Ministry of | 6:11:23 | 6:11:27 | |
Justice to make sure we are putting
people in a setting which is not | 6:11:27 | 6:11:33 | |
going to damage them further. The
honourable lady also described very | 6:11:33 | 6:11:48 | |
well how for some people with autism
actually accessing support from GPs | 6:11:48 | 6:11:54 | |
can cause distress in itself. Again,
this is where debates like this are | 6:11:54 | 6:12:00 | |
so useful because it is sometimes
the practical, simple things that | 6:12:00 | 6:12:03 | |
make the biggest impact. It cannot
be beyond the wit of any of us to | 6:12:03 | 6:12:07 | |
make sure that GPs receive
appropriate advice about things like | 6:12:07 | 6:12:11 | |
lighting. Even having a quiet area.
Because often when we have a | 6:12:11 | 6:12:17 | |
multiservice GP and health centres,
there must be room to have a quiet | 6:12:17 | 6:12:20 | |
area for people. One of the risks is
that rather than going to the GP, | 6:12:20 | 6:12:28 | |
people look on the internet, where
sadly they will find faulty | 6:12:28 | 6:12:31 | |
information about how to take their
own life, what methods to use. And | 6:12:31 | 6:12:37 | |
if they go into chat rooms, they can
finding courage and to take their | 6:12:37 | 6:12:41 | |
own life. This is an area that we
must tackle. I thank the honourable | 6:12:41 | 6:12:47 | |
lady for that intervention and for
the work she does in this area. She | 6:12:47 | 6:12:50 | |
is quite right. There is a serious
vulnerability amongst people who | 6:12:50 | 6:12:58 | |
feel uncomfortable accessing medical
care, and the proximity of the | 6:12:58 | 6:13:01 | |
internet and the ability to buy
drugs, also, which nobody can | 6:13:01 | 6:13:05 | |
understand what they are buying. I
think we can do a lot more to enable | 6:13:05 | 6:13:09 | |
people to protect themselves. The
internet is a great source of | 6:13:09 | 6:13:14 | |
information but it can be less than
benign when people want to use it | 6:13:14 | 6:13:17 | |
for those purposes. I have limited
time. I will not do justice to | 6:13:17 | 6:13:23 | |
everyone's interventions but I will
do my best and it is not because I | 6:13:23 | 6:13:26 | |
have ignored the point. It is such a
short space of time. The honourable | 6:13:26 | 6:13:38 | |
lady the member for Bristol West I
thought made some extremely good | 6:13:38 | 6:13:42 | |
points. She is absolutely right to
highlight the issue of unemployment, | 6:13:42 | 6:13:47 | |
something I am particularly
concerned about. Coming on a day | 6:13:47 | 6:13:50 | |
when we have published the working
health strategy, this is an area | 6:13:50 | 6:13:55 | |
where we need to do better. The
reality is that there is a great | 6:13:55 | 6:14:02 | |
skill set here, given particular
disciplines. And enlightened | 6:14:02 | 6:14:05 | |
employers recognise that. I think we
can do a lot more to spread good | 6:14:05 | 6:14:08 | |
practice, just as with GP surgeries,
what would be sympathetic interview | 6:14:08 | 6:14:16 | |
styles for people with autism, to
enable them to become integrated in | 6:14:16 | 6:14:19 | |
that way. She is right, work is
probably the best tool with which to | 6:14:19 | 6:14:23 | |
protect your mental health. There is
no doubt about that, so we will look | 6:14:23 | 6:14:27 | |
at that. I was also intrigued by her
autism surgeries and I wonder | 6:14:27 | 6:14:34 | |
whether she might consider making
that a toolkit that all of us with | 6:14:34 | 6:14:37 | |
an interest in here might roll out
in our own surgeries. Again, a Lott | 6:14:37 | 6:14:44 | |
of this is about raising awareness
of the challenges that people with | 6:14:44 | 6:14:47 | |
autism face. We are in the public
eye and we have the ability to do | 6:14:47 | 6:14:51 | |
that. It strikes me that what she
has outlined might be a very good | 6:14:51 | 6:14:55 | |
way of doing that, so please tell me
how you did it. My honourable friend | 6:14:55 | 6:15:01 | |
was right to mention schools. I
think there is a problem here about | 6:15:01 | 6:15:05 | |
provision and whether we always get
it right, whether it should be | 6:15:05 | 6:15:08 | |
mainstream or targeted provision.
And also whether we have enough | 6:15:08 | 6:15:13 | |
places for all turn to provision if
that is the appropriate setting. In | 6:15:13 | 6:15:19 | |
my local area, that is particularly
challenging. But it is not fair to | 6:15:19 | 6:15:24 | |
fail individuals by excluding them
because maintaining them in | 6:15:24 | 6:15:29 | |
mainstream schools is challenging or
not appropriate for them. The state | 6:15:29 | 6:15:33 | |
needs to make sure they get
appropriate schooling. My honourable | 6:15:33 | 6:15:38 | |
friend the member for
Berwick-upon-Tweed spoke at length | 6:15:38 | 6:15:41 | |
about her experience and has set me
a number of challenges which I will | 6:15:41 | 6:15:44 | |
be happy to report to her on, but I
can guarantee that the data she | 6:15:44 | 6:15:48 | |
asked forward be made public next
year. -- the data she asked for will | 6:15:48 | 6:15:56 | |
be made public next year. Turning to
some of the things we are doing in | 6:15:56 | 6:16:00 | |
terms of developing the autism
pathway and strategy, we have set an | 6:16:00 | 6:16:07 | |
expectation in the NHS mandate that
the NHS will reduce the health gap | 6:16:07 | 6:16:10 | |
between people with mental health
problems, learning disabilities and | 6:16:10 | 6:16:14 | |
autism and the population as a
whole, and to support them to live | 6:16:14 | 6:16:18 | |
full, healthy and independent lives.
We acknowledge that the complexity | 6:16:18 | 6:16:23 | |
of autism and the multifaceted
nature of those on the spectrum does | 6:16:23 | 6:16:28 | |
pose particular challenges to
professionals and commissioners. I'm | 6:16:28 | 6:16:33 | |
keen to mental health will be
considered in the autism strategy | 6:16:33 | 6:16:38 | |
and I will be ensuring that progress
is made in implement in the strategy | 6:16:38 | 6:16:41 | |
in line with the autism act. It is
important that the NHS accommodates | 6:16:41 | 6:16:46 | |
the requirements of vulnerable
groups such as autistic people | 6:16:46 | 6:16:51 | |
through staff training, awareness
raising and reasonable adjustments | 6:16:51 | 6:16:53 | |
to services. And it should be the
case that autistic people are able | 6:16:53 | 6:16:57 | |
to access mental health services
like everyone else. If they are | 6:16:57 | 6:17:02 | |
supported to engage with services
and helped to explain their | 6:17:02 | 6:17:05 | |
problems, they should be able to
receive treatment in the same way. | 6:17:05 | 6:17:08 | |
The real key is that they should not
fall between two stalls, between the | 6:17:08 | 6:17:14 | |
autism and learning disability
service on the one hand and mental | 6:17:14 | 6:17:17 | |
health on the other. We need to make
sure we give this spoke treatment to | 6:17:17 | 6:17:20 | |
people with both issues. -- spoke
treatment. It is also the case that | 6:17:20 | 6:17:28 | |
many of the treatments were
developing will not actually be | 6:17:28 | 6:17:32 | |
suitable for people with autism, so
we are looking at what we are doing | 6:17:32 | 6:17:37 | |
to alter the psychological therapies
we are making available, to make | 6:17:37 | 6:17:41 | |
them more user-friendly and
sympathetic to people with autism. I | 6:17:41 | 6:17:43 | |
am horrified to hear about group
therapies. I am a complete lay | 6:17:43 | 6:17:49 | |
person, but it is obvious to me that
group therapy is not appropriate for | 6:17:49 | 6:17:54 | |
people with autism. Clearly, when
things like that happen, it is an | 6:17:54 | 6:17:58 | |
indication of how much more we have
to do to make sure that society is | 6:17:58 | 6:18:02 | |
more sensitive to the needs of those
people with autism. I am now running | 6:18:02 | 6:18:09 | |
out of time and directly want to
hear from the honourable lady. I | 6:18:09 | 6:18:14 | |
would emphasise that research will
play an important role. There are | 6:18:14 | 6:18:18 | |
many projects we are looking at at
the moment. There is a research team | 6:18:18 | 6:18:25 | |
on neurodevelopment disorders at
Avon and Wiltshire mental health | 6:18:25 | 6:18:28 | |
partnership. We are looking at
self-help for adults with autism at | 6:18:28 | 6:18:33 | |
Leeds and your partnership NHS
Foundation Trust. In the east of the | 6:18:33 | 6:18:36 | |
there is a project looking at
suicide, autism and autistic traits, | 6:18:36 | 6:18:42 | |
which will be of interest to
everyone who has participated in | 6:18:42 | 6:18:45 | |
this debate. And I am grateful for
the research undertaken by the | 6:18:45 | 6:18:54 | |
charity, which has highlighted this
issue and brought us to where we are | 6:18:54 | 6:18:58 | |
today. I am pleased to say that they
have met with the national suicide | 6:18:58 | 6:19:04 | |
prevention strategy advisory group
which advises government on the | 6:19:04 | 6:19:07 | |
national suicide prevention
strategy, to talk about their | 6:19:07 | 6:19:10 | |
research, and we will be reflecting
on the advice they have given. To | 6:19:10 | 6:19:17 | |
conclude, once again I thank
everyone for participating in this | 6:19:17 | 6:19:20 | |
debate. I am always interested to
hear about good practice and what | 6:19:20 | 6:19:26 | |
more we can do, but we still need to
do much more to support people with | 6:19:26 | 6:19:31 | |
autism and particularly to make sure
that they can access appropriate | 6:19:31 | 6:19:35 | |
mental health services. Thank you,
Madam Deputy Speaker. It has been a | 6:19:35 | 6:19:42 | |
wonderful debate. Truly cross-party
and collegiate, because we must work | 6:19:42 | 6:19:49 | |
together to improve the lives and
services for people across the | 6:19:49 | 6:19:52 | |
autistics. It is about life span, so
it is about a number of services and | 6:19:52 | 6:20:00 | |
all aspects of the life span and how
people transfer from childhood to | 6:20:00 | 6:20:05 | |
adult services and making that
streamline. It is also | 6:20:05 | 6:20:10 | |
multi-department, as we have heard,
so I urge the Minister to speak to | 6:20:10 | 6:20:13 | |
other departments to make sure the
autism strategy is embedded in all | 6:20:13 | 6:20:18 | |
of the policies. We need early
diagnosis, awareness and support in | 6:20:18 | 6:20:23 | |
schools, treatments that are
adapted, and vital research. We | 6:20:23 | 6:20:27 | |
could be world leading in that
regard and that is a key aspiration | 6:20:27 | 6:20:31 | |
we should endeavour to meet. We need
support from school to the workplace | 6:20:31 | 6:20:36 | |
and for carers and families, and we
desperately need to provide crisis | 6:20:36 | 6:20:39 | |
services. Parliament must be
inclusive. I am keen to hear more | 6:20:39 | 6:20:45 | |
about what we can do as individual
MPs both in our surgeries and also | 6:20:45 | 6:20:50 | |
through Parliament to take these
issues forward and make our | 6:20:50 | 6:20:54 | |
surgeries autism- friendly places,
and ensure we are role models in | 6:20:54 | 6:20:59 | |
terms of service development. There
are many issues for the Minister to | 6:20:59 | 6:21:02 | |
take forward. I am thankful for her
response. I am glad her door is open | 6:21:02 | 6:21:08 | |
and I may be through it on numerous
occasions. I am keen to visit the | 6:21:08 | 6:21:14 | |
projects she describes that are
going to pave the way for progress. | 6:21:14 | 6:21:17 | |
I would like to say it is vital to
take this forward, to save lives. | 6:21:17 | 6:21:22 | |
Let's work together and do this
right across the United Kingdom. And | 6:21:22 | 6:21:26 | |
I would like to wish everyone happy
Saint Andrew 's day. Happy Saint | 6:21:26 | 6:21:32 | |
Andrew 's day. The question is as on
the order paper. The ayes have it. | 6:21:32 | 6:21:41 | |
The ayes have it. Point of order.
Madam Deputy Speaker, I want to | 6:21:41 | 6:21:50 | |
raise a conversation I have had in
the last few minutes when I have | 6:21:50 | 6:21:54 | |
been informed that Royal Bank of
Scotland Group going to be closing | 6:21:54 | 6:21:57 | |
three branches in my constituency. I
am asking for your assistance, Madam | 6:21:57 | 6:22:07 | |
Deputy Speaker, to ask one of the
Treasury ministers to come to this | 6:22:07 | 6:22:10 | |
House to discuss this important
matter. We understand Royal Bank of | 6:22:10 | 6:22:15 | |
Scotland Group is operationally
independent but nonetheless we have | 6:22:15 | 6:22:18 | |
a situation where we as a state are
the majority owners of this bank. In | 6:22:18 | 6:22:23 | |
this case, we have a situation that
the bank is one hour's travel | 6:22:23 | 6:22:28 | |
distance to the nearest branch.
Another is one hour from Fort | 6:22:28 | 6:22:35 | |
William. These are banks with
thousands of customers. I think we | 6:22:35 | 6:22:42 | |
need an urgent debate about the
responsibility that banks such as | 6:22:42 | 6:22:45 | |
this have to their communities. | 6:22:45 | 6:22:50 | |
I thank you for your point, but you
know and the house knows that this | 6:22:50 | 6:22:54 | |
is not a point of order for the
chair and that I cannot give him an | 6:22:54 | 6:22:58 | |
answer on the issue that he raises
but he seeks my advice on how to | 6:22:58 | 6:23:05 | |
bring a minister to the dispatch box
and I would advise him that there | 6:23:05 | 6:23:10 | |
are various methods he can use to do
so and he might like to consult the | 6:23:10 | 6:23:16 | |
table office on the best way
forward. I'm sure he will also | 6:23:16 | 6:23:20 | |
consider other ways in which you can
approach the back bench business | 6:23:20 | 6:23:28 | |
committee to arrange a debate if he
is so declined the -- so inclined, | 6:23:28 | 6:23:35 | |
but it is not a matter for
discussion on the floor of the | 6:23:35 | 6:23:38 | |
house, sure his ingenuity will make
sure that this happens. I beg to | 6:23:38 | 6:23:44 | |
move that this house do know
adjourned for the big question is | 6:23:44 | 6:23:49 | |
that this house do now adjourned --
the question is that this house do | 6:23:49 | 6:23:57 | |
now adjourned. In my own family,
this changes are an integral part of | 6:23:57 | 6:24:04 | |
going out, I was packed off to
Holland at ten use old, until a | 6:24:04 | 6:24:09 | |
family in France at 11, -- ten years
old for them Germany and Hong Kong | 6:24:09 | 6:24:14 | |
followed. During my undergraduate
studies I was lucky enough to go on | 6:24:14 | 6:24:18 | |
a programme to a university and the
pattern repeats itself as in so much | 6:24:18 | 6:24:26 | |
of what we do as parents, at home we
rarely have a holiday without a | 6:24:26 | 6:24:33 | |
foreign exchange student, we have
welcomed people from Paris, Moscow, | 6:24:33 | 6:24:40 | |
Beijing, Castle -- Dusseldorf, we're
just art in to get to a note -- just | 6:24:40 | 6:24:52 | |
art in to get to know a girl from
southern Italy, and a great deal of | 6:24:52 | 6:24:56 | |
our family time is applying for
visas for my girls and entertaining | 6:24:56 | 6:24:59 | |
and providing regular meals for
visiting teenagers. The experience | 6:24:59 | 6:25:04 | |
is not simply about improving the
ability to communicate in a | 6:25:04 | 6:25:06 | |
different language, the children
comeback competent and buzzing with | 6:25:06 | 6:25:10 | |
new experiences as well as a desire
to improve their language skills, -- | 6:25:10 | 6:25:24 | |
come back confident for the we
welcome the wider network we have | 6:25:24 | 6:25:28 | |
made as a result of getting to know
them. The same is true for year six | 6:25:28 | 6:25:33 | |
pupils at a primary school in Hull
Lawton -- Hook Norton, who I am | 6:25:33 | 6:25:40 | |
pleased to see, their teacher told
me about their 18 years of exchanges | 6:25:40 | 6:25:43 | |
with Sweden and how much the
children gain from them. A primary | 6:25:43 | 6:25:49 | |
school I also visited this week
exchanges annually with Italian and | 6:25:49 | 6:25:54 | |
German children and I want such
opportunities to be available to all | 6:25:54 | 6:25:57 | |
our young people. We must give
greater consideration to language | 6:25:57 | 6:26:02 | |
learning, the government has been
keen to promote maths and stem | 6:26:02 | 6:26:08 | |
subjects and is making efforts to
making sure modern foreign language | 6:26:08 | 6:26:11 | |
is our part of this, but language
learning nevertheless is on a | 6:26:11 | 6:26:14 | |
downward spiral. The number of GCSEs
in modern manages this year fell by | 6:26:14 | 6:26:20 | |
more than 7% and this summer's
A-level results showed the number of | 6:26:20 | 6:26:27 | |
British students taking manages has
almost halved over the last two | 6:26:27 | 6:26:31 | |
decades, applications to study
European languages at University has | 6:26:31 | 6:26:34 | |
fallen by 20% in the last four
years. These figures show why we do | 6:26:34 | 6:26:43 | |
not have enough new teachers leaving
our universities to encourage | 6:26:43 | 6:26:47 | |
language learning in the children
who are at school today and | 6:26:47 | 6:26:50 | |
tomorrow. Earlier this week the
Foreign Secretary spoke of his | 6:26:50 | 6:26:55 | |
vision for global Britain, making
clear that, the driving purpose of | 6:26:55 | 6:27:01 | |
this government is to strengthen
Britain's global role, to raise our | 6:27:01 | 6:27:06 | |
level of national ambition, and to
prepare for the opportunities before | 6:27:06 | 6:27:10 | |
us, he said. So how can foreign
exchanges help? The international | 6:27:10 | 6:27:17 | |
language of business might be
English but the language of selling | 6:27:17 | 6:27:21 | |
goes deeper, soft diplomacy involves
much more than just talking, and we | 6:27:21 | 6:27:27 | |
are fortunate that English is widely
spoken but our success in achieving | 6:27:27 | 6:27:31 | |
a truly global Britain depends on
our ability to speak to people | 6:27:31 | 6:27:36 | |
abroad but also to understand their
culture. Shouting loudly when sell | 6:27:36 | 6:27:41 | |
our products worldwide. -- weren't.
The recent languages for the future | 6:27:41 | 6:27:48 | |
report makes clear that without
language skills we lose out not only | 6:27:48 | 6:27:54 | |
to the restricted ability to
communicate internationally but even | 6:27:54 | 6:27:58 | |
more importantly to the closing down
of opportunities for overseas work | 6:27:58 | 6:28:02 | |
experience, a lack of international
business sense, a failure to | 6:28:02 | 6:28:08 | |
appreciate that other cultures have
different ways of doing things, and | 6:28:08 | 6:28:13 | |
a potential tendency to overestimate
the global importance of British | 6:28:13 | 6:28:15 | |
culture. Young people who have spent
time immersed in the domestic life | 6:28:15 | 6:28:20 | |
of another country are so much
better equipped for selling global | 6:28:20 | 6:28:27 | |
Britain, global justice and our
values and opportunities. Another | 6:28:27 | 6:28:32 | |
great advantage of student exchanges
is that they are comparatively | 6:28:32 | 6:28:36 | |
cheap, the cost is that of the fair
and where appropriate the visa, and | 6:28:36 | 6:28:42 | |
it is important that where we think
seriously about how we deal with | 6:28:42 | 6:28:48 | |
these young people, when my daughter
visits her Russian exchange she has | 6:28:48 | 6:28:52 | |
to fill out a new visa application
every time and come to London to | 6:28:52 | 6:28:56 | |
have her biometrics taken. We put
barriers on both sides, her Russian | 6:28:56 | 6:29:01 | |
exchange was charged almost £500 for
her UK these application which had | 6:29:01 | 6:29:09 | |
to be extradited as her initial
application had been refused. All | 6:29:09 | 6:29:12 | |
this was to allow her to come on our
family holiday to Wales. I realise | 6:29:12 | 6:29:17 | |
this goes beyond the remit of
ministers but I hope he will work | 6:29:17 | 6:29:21 | |
with his colleagues in the Home
Office to make sure that teenagers | 6:29:21 | 6:29:24 | |
like these two as well as the young
people who take part in programmes | 6:29:24 | 6:29:28 | |
like Erasmus are encouraged in their
exchange in especially after we | 6:29:28 | 6:29:34 | |
leave the EU. Of course for ...
Thank you forgiving way. Another | 6:29:34 | 6:29:45 | |
dimension, very often schools...
INAUDIBLE | 6:29:45 | 6:29:55 | |
Sometimes schools find it difficult
to recruit men which teaches and I | 6:29:55 | 6:29:59 | |
hope you would agree with me about
that -- recruit language teachers. A | 6:29:59 | 6:30:09 | |
very important point, the type of
exchanges I'm talking about involve | 6:30:09 | 6:30:13 | |
living with a family in a place
abroad and it is that depth of | 6:30:13 | 6:30:17 | |
understanding that really you only
get in a domestic setting which I'm | 6:30:17 | 6:30:21 | |
so keen to promote, but of course it
is difficult for schools to arrange | 6:30:21 | 6:30:25 | |
these exchanges but my point is it
is worth it. I want to thank all | 6:30:25 | 6:30:30 | |
those teaches who put themselves out
and spend their own holidays often | 6:30:30 | 6:30:35 | |
travelling with groups of teenagers,
but everyone's cup of tea, to | 6:30:35 | 6:30:39 | |
far-flung places and enable these
really deep worthwhile experiences | 6:30:39 | 6:30:46 | |
for our children, and I really hope
that the minister will join me in | 6:30:46 | 6:30:51 | |
encouraging that to happen. Thank
you forgiving way. This is a classic | 6:30:51 | 6:31:00 | |
example of a debate where I left the
chamber and then came back when I | 6:31:00 | 6:31:05 | |
learned what it was about -- thank
you for giving way. Can I say one | 6:31:05 | 6:31:11 | |
thing, the issue of friendships
being formed between foreign | 6:31:11 | 6:31:13 | |
students can be so crucial, and the
fact that President Clinton was a | 6:31:13 | 6:31:18 | |
scholar at Oxford, that made his
understanding with this country so | 6:31:18 | 6:31:22 | |
very much more helpful. Thank you
few intervention. It is indeed the | 6:31:22 | 6:31:30 | |
depth of friendship that encourages
not just the language deals, but | 6:31:30 | 6:31:34 | |
also the ability to have a network
of friends and contacts. My own | 6:31:34 | 6:31:40 | |
early experiences on foreign
exchanges, gave me the confidence to | 6:31:40 | 6:31:44 | |
travel abroad in the political
sphere so I was able to spend time | 6:31:44 | 6:31:48 | |
working for the CDU in Germany and
the White House in the states. I | 6:31:48 | 6:31:54 | |
doubt that I would ever have thought
of such opportunities had I not had | 6:31:54 | 6:31:58 | |
my early experiences of travel and
of the value of building networks | 6:31:58 | 6:32:02 | |
across continents which I think that
really early foreign exchange travel | 6:32:02 | 6:32:08 | |
does for students. I cannot tell him
how valuable I think these | 6:32:08 | 6:32:13 | |
experiences are. In my view,
exchanges can give our young people | 6:32:13 | 6:32:20 | |
the internationalist outlook we
need, we should capitalise on the | 6:32:20 | 6:32:24 | |
teenage ability to make friends
easily, and encourage them to open | 6:32:24 | 6:32:28 | |
their eyes to new and different
opportunities. Even though language | 6:32:28 | 6:32:32 | |
learning does involve hard work and
grammar and vocab tests, the speed | 6:32:32 | 6:32:38 | |
with which you pick up a language
when they are immersed in family | 6:32:38 | 6:32:41 | |
life is second to none, learning
with a friend is so much better, and | 6:32:41 | 6:32:47 | |
the technology now available to
students makes it very accessible. | 6:32:47 | 6:32:52 | |
My children have mandarin and
rushing keyboards on their phones to | 6:32:52 | 6:32:55 | |
enable them to text their exchange
exchange friends -- Russian. I | 6:32:55 | 6:33:07 | |
commend their enthusiasm and this
seems to be the way that the | 6:33:07 | 6:33:10 | |
children of today find easiest to
communicate and my daughter does her | 6:33:10 | 6:33:14 | |
texting in Russian, and the Russian
exchange does have is in English, | 6:33:14 | 6:33:17 | |
which I think is really commendable.
And not just on to frustrate | 6:33:17 | 6:33:21 | |
mothers. -- done. Finally, language
learning has health benefits, | 6:33:21 | 6:33:31 | |
studies of people without sinus
disease has shown that on average | 6:33:31 | 6:33:33 | |
symptoms started 4.5 years later for
those people who could speed at | 6:33:33 | 6:33:39 | |
least two languages. -- speak. It is
important to mention my own | 6:33:39 | 6:33:47 | |
grandmother who is in her 90s who
continues to work on her languages | 6:33:47 | 6:33:50 | |
through audio books. Her eyesight is
not as good as it once was, but she | 6:33:50 | 6:33:55 | |
successfully taught generations of
children of all abilities to | 6:33:55 | 6:34:00 | |
communicate in a selection of
languages, albeit with a strong | 6:34:00 | 6:34:04 | |
Welsh accent. I asked the minister
to join me in thanking her and in | 6:34:04 | 6:34:11 | |
today's generation of language
teachers, including the | 6:34:11 | 6:34:15 | |
inspirational women who teach my own
daughters and I ask him to encourage | 6:34:15 | 6:34:20 | |
them to promote the student
exchanges that we need to take | 6:34:20 | 6:34:24 | |
forward global Britain. Minister
Nick Gibb. Can I congratulate my | 6:34:24 | 6:34:34 | |
friend on securing this debate and I
do join her in thanking those | 6:34:34 | 6:34:38 | |
language teachers up and down the
country who teach our young people | 6:34:38 | 6:34:43 | |
to speak and to write and to read in
a foreign language for ... I was in | 6:34:43 | 6:34:53 | |
the school this morning with a group
of commendable language teachers | 6:34:53 | 6:34:55 | |
doing wonderful work in that school.
This debate gives me the opportunity | 6:34:55 | 6:35:00 | |
to emphasise the government's
commitment to remaining open to the | 6:35:00 | 6:35:04 | |
world after we leave the European
Union. And becoming even more global | 6:35:04 | 6:35:09 | |
after we leave, and internationalist
in our outlook improving the take-up | 6:35:09 | 6:35:14 | |
of teaching modern foreign averages
in our schools and making sure that | 6:35:14 | 6:35:17 | |
there continues to be international
opportunities for students and young | 6:35:17 | 6:35:23 | |
people and teachers to participate
in exchanges, an important part of | 6:35:23 | 6:35:27 | |
achieving this goal. There are
business and cultural and | 6:35:27 | 6:35:32 | |
educational benefits to learning a
language and the level of take-up | 6:35:32 | 6:35:35 | |
and proficiency of horror languages
in England is not yet what it should | 6:35:35 | 6:35:39 | |
be -- foreign languages. We have
taken steps to address this issue. | 6:35:39 | 6:35:46 | |
In 2010 we introduced the English
baccalaureate and to meet this level | 6:35:46 | 6:35:52 | |
of performance. It funded secondary
schools, pupils have to be entered | 6:35:52 | 6:35:57 | |
for GCSEs in English, maths,
science, history- geography and an | 6:35:57 | 6:36:02 | |
ancient or modern language, and we
announced our ambition for 75% of | 6:36:02 | 6:36:08 | |
year ten pupils to be taking this by
2022 and for this gem reached 90% by | 6:36:08 | 6:36:13 | |
2025. -- to have reached. This
represents a significant step change | 6:36:13 | 6:36:21 | |
for schools especially in relation
to the uptake of languages, GCSEs, | 6:36:21 | 6:36:26 | |
which is often the area that has
prevented schools achieving higher | 6:36:26 | 6:36:29 | |
entry rates. Our expectation is to
see the uptake increase over the | 6:36:29 | 6:36:36 | |
coming years, widening the potential
pool students with the ability to | 6:36:36 | 6:36:39 | |
continue studying languages to a
higher level, and in September 2014 | 6:36:39 | 6:36:44 | |
schools began teaching a new
national curriculum that we | 6:36:44 | 6:36:47 | |
introduced, which requires local
authorities maintained primary | 6:36:47 | 6:36:51 | |
schools to teach a modern or agent
foreign language to pupils at Key | 6:36:51 | 6:36:55 | |
stage two, and schools can choose
which language to Cheech -- to teach | 6:36:55 | 6:37:03 | |
it is mandatory. | 6:37:04 | 6:37:12 | |
Whilst there isn't any requirement
for every pupil to then take a | 6:37:12 | 6:37:16 | |
language to GCSE, there is a
statutory entitlement for every | 6:37:16 | 6:37:19 | |
pupil to take a course leading to a
recognised qualification if they | 6:37:19 | 6:37:23 | |
wish to do so. The fact that pupils
often have the choice to continue | 6:37:23 | 6:37:29 | |
studying a language to GCSE makes it
important for their early | 6:37:29 | 6:37:33 | |
experiences of being taught a
language as a subject to be | 6:37:33 | 6:37:36 | |
positive. In Ofsted's 2015 report...
I thank the Minister for giving way. | 6:37:36 | 6:37:43 | |
He might be able to answer this. How
popular is Chinese, in terms of | 6:37:43 | 6:37:49 | |
language interest of people wanting
to take it up? Because the Chinese | 6:37:49 | 6:37:53 | |
have lots of markets. If the
honourable gentleman will be | 6:37:53 | 6:38:01 | |
patient, I will come to that. One of
the purposes of my visit this | 6:38:01 | 6:38:04 | |
morning was to look at the Mandarin
excellence programme happening in a | 6:38:04 | 6:38:08 | |
number of schools. In Ofsted's 2015
report on key stage three, it | 6:38:08 | 6:38:14 | |
reported that many pupils chose to
discontinue studying Lang wedges at | 6:38:14 | 6:38:18 | |
the end of Key stage three because
of a lack of enjoyment in lessons, | 6:38:18 | 6:38:22 | |
or a feeling of not making enough
progress. -- languages. This was | 6:38:22 | 6:38:29 | |
despite many pupils recognising the
value of languages. And to buy this, | 6:38:29 | 6:38:33 | |
the teaching schools Council carried
out a review of the modern | 6:38:33 | 6:38:37 | |
foreign-language as pedagogy in key
stages three and four, carried out | 6:38:37 | 6:38:41 | |
by an experienced headteacher, which
reported in November last year. This | 6:38:41 | 6:38:47 | |
set out principles for delivering
effective language teaching and | 6:38:47 | 6:38:50 | |
produced a number of recommendations
for teachers and head teachers. We | 6:38:50 | 6:38:56 | |
have also improved the standard and
quality of qualifications. We have | 6:38:56 | 6:39:01 | |
worked with subject experts,
universities and teachers to design | 6:39:01 | 6:39:04 | |
new GCSEs and A-levels which bought
French, German and Spanish were | 6:39:04 | 6:39:10 | |
introduced in 2016. The level of
demand matches those of the highest | 6:39:10 | 6:39:14 | |
performing countries in the world
and these qualifications will better | 6:39:14 | 6:39:17 | |
prepare pupils for the demands of
further education and employment. | 6:39:17 | 6:39:22 | |
These are robust qualifications in
which students, employers, colleges | 6:39:22 | 6:39:26 | |
and universities can have
confidence. French, German and | 6:39:26 | 6:39:30 | |
Spanish remained the three most
popular foreign-language is taught | 6:39:30 | 6:39:34 | |
in our schools, although Mandarin is
coming up fast. As the British | 6:39:34 | 6:39:38 | |
Council report, languages for the
future report highlights Mandarin is | 6:39:38 | 6:39:45 | |
one of the top five languages of
crucial importance for the UK's | 6:39:45 | 6:39:49 | |
future prosperity, security and
influence in the world. My | 6:39:49 | 6:39:53 | |
honourable friend may be interested
to know, and the honourable | 6:39:53 | 6:39:56 | |
gentleman, that we established and
funded the Mandarin excellence | 6:39:56 | 6:40:01 | |
programme, which started in 2016.
This offers intense study in the | 6:40:01 | 6:40:07 | |
language which is not only
personally enriching for students | 6:40:07 | 6:40:10 | |
but will give them a significant
advantage when they enter the world | 6:40:10 | 6:40:13 | |
of work. We want 5000 young people
to study the language and become | 6:40:13 | 6:40:20 | |
fluent by 2020. Pupils on the
programme study Mandarin for eight | 6:40:20 | 6:40:23 | |
hours a week. At least four hours of
which are teacher- led, in | 6:40:23 | 6:40:30 | |
classrooms. And four hours are in
their own time. It over the course | 6:40:30 | 6:40:35 | |
of the next four years, I hope we
will see a significant increase in | 6:40:35 | 6:40:40 | |
the time, the numbers of pupils on
the programme. The programme started | 6:40:40 | 6:40:45 | |
with 14 schools in September 2016,
and 23 additional schools joined in | 6:40:45 | 6:40:50 | |
September this year. I was delighted
today to be able to meet some of the | 6:40:50 | 6:40:55 | |
pupils and see the programme in
action during my visit to Alexandra | 6:40:55 | 6:40:59 | |
Park School in Haringey. At that
school, 27 pupils started in year | 6:40:59 | 6:41:05 | |
seven in the year seven cohort in
September last year. They scored an | 6:41:05 | 6:41:11 | |
impressive 95% average mark in
progress tests across reading, | 6:41:11 | 6:41:14 | |
writing, listening and speaking last
summer and have all progressed to | 6:41:14 | 6:41:18 | |
the second year of the programme.
And a New Year seven cohort started | 6:41:18 | 6:41:22 | |
Mandarin lessons in September 2017
and I am sure they will do equally | 6:41:22 | 6:41:27 | |
well. Incidentally, all of their
year seven pupils study Mandarin and | 6:41:27 | 6:41:33 | |
a European language during the year.
Once again, I am not sure whether | 6:41:33 | 6:41:38 | |
the Minister can answer. Are there
any schools in Coventry teaching | 6:41:38 | 6:41:45 | |
Mandarin? I will have to write to
the honourable gentleman about that. | 6:41:45 | 6:41:49 | |
We want to have a spread of the
Mandarin excellence programmes | 6:41:49 | 6:41:53 | |
across the country, but the initial
schools were chosen because they | 6:41:53 | 6:41:57 | |
have a track record of teaching
Mandarin very well. As a team goes | 6:41:57 | 6:42:01 | |
pupils this morning, and it has been
led by someone from the UCL | 6:42:01 | 6:42:09 | |
Institute of education, who has
driven the project forward, but the | 6:42:09 | 6:42:13 | |
pupils I met this morning were
hugely impressive, very ambitious | 6:42:13 | 6:42:16 | |
with very high expectations. They
not only want to take a GCSE and | 6:42:16 | 6:42:21 | |
A-level in Mandarin but they also
want to go onto HSK four and HSK | 6:42:21 | 6:42:27 | |
five, which is essentially fluency
in the Langridge. What was also | 6:42:27 | 6:42:32 | |
interesting about these pupils, I
asked all of them what they wanted | 6:42:32 | 6:42:35 | |
to do in their school and none of
them wanted to go on to study | 6:42:35 | 6:42:39 | |
Mandarin at university. They wanted
to be lawyers, doctors and business | 6:42:39 | 6:42:43 | |
people but they wanted to be fluent
in Mandarin while being lawyers and | 6:42:43 | 6:42:46 | |
doctors and businesspeople. The
answer to my question may be to | 6:42:46 | 6:42:53 | |
write a letter to John Swinney in
the Scottish Government, but does | 6:42:53 | 6:42:56 | |
the minister have any idea what the
situation is perhaps over teaching | 6:42:56 | 6:43:01 | |
Mandarin across-the-board in
Scotland? I'm afraid I don't. This | 6:43:01 | 6:43:06 | |
is a devolved matter. I have spoken
to John Swinney a number of times | 6:43:06 | 6:43:11 | |
about education matters and they
have a new curriculum for excellence | 6:43:11 | 6:43:14 | |
which they are implement in
Scotland. The programme I have been | 6:43:14 | 6:43:19 | |
talking about also supports the
training of new Mandarin teachers to | 6:43:19 | 6:43:24 | |
ensure there is capacity within the
system to teach Mandarin. The | 6:43:24 | 6:43:28 | |
quality and supply of teachers of
modern foreign languages is | 6:43:28 | 6:43:33 | |
essential to pupil proficiency and
progression. It is important that | 6:43:33 | 6:43:36 | |
they are taught by high-quality
inspiring teachers, like those I met | 6:43:36 | 6:43:38 | |
this morning, in all subjects. We
remain committed to attracting the | 6:43:38 | 6:43:43 | |
brightest and best graduates into
teaching. To support this, we | 6:43:43 | 6:43:49 | |
offered generous tax-free bursary is
worth up to £26,000, and tax-free | 6:43:49 | 6:43:53 | |
scholarships of up to anti-£8,000
for trainees in modern foreign | 6:43:53 | 6:43:59 | |
languages. Figures today show we
recruited 1405 modern | 6:43:59 | 6:44:04 | |
foreign-language trainees to start
teacher training courses this year, | 6:44:04 | 6:44:08 | |
93% of our target, and similar to
performance last year where we | 6:44:08 | 6:44:12 | |
achieved 94% of the target. Would
the minister be aware of the | 6:44:12 | 6:44:21 | |
programme in Scotland run by
Scottish enterprise which sponsors | 6:44:21 | 6:44:25 | |
the gross salary of an undergraduate
up to 40% of gross salary for a year | 6:44:25 | 6:44:31 | |
to take a placement in industry on
subjects of business development? | 6:44:31 | 6:44:36 | |
When I worked with Scottish
enterprise I sponsored a Mandarin | 6:44:36 | 6:44:40 | |
student who worked with a heavy
engineering company in Scotland. As | 6:44:40 | 6:44:43 | |
a result of that placement, the
company increased its turnover in | 6:44:43 | 6:44:48 | |
the Chinese market by 60% in a given
year. That shows the potential of | 6:44:48 | 6:44:53 | |
integrating foreign-language skills
into industry which could benefit | 6:44:53 | 6:44:55 | |
the UK. The honourable member makes
a good point. We are a global | 6:44:55 | 6:45:01 | |
trading nation and we have to be
able to speak to customers in their | 6:45:01 | 6:45:05 | |
own language. It is essential. That
is why I feel as passionately as my | 6:45:05 | 6:45:11 | |
honourable friend and the honourable
gentleman about the importance of | 6:45:11 | 6:45:13 | |
young people learning languages. We
recognise that recruitment in modern | 6:45:13 | 6:45:20 | |
foreign-language subjects is
challenging, which is why we are | 6:45:20 | 6:45:22 | |
supporting schools with initiatives
that go beyond standard recruitment | 6:45:22 | 6:45:26 | |
channels. We announced a new student
loan reimbursement programme for | 6:45:26 | 6:45:30 | |
modern foreign-language teachers in
the early years of their career, | 6:45:30 | 6:45:33 | |
which in scent of eyes is new
teachers to stay in the profession | 6:45:33 | 6:45:36 | |
and teach in the areas where they
are needed most. We also recognise | 6:45:36 | 6:45:43 | |
the contribution internationally
trained teachers make, which is why | 6:45:43 | 6:45:45 | |
we want to ensure that schools have
the opportunity to recruit from | 6:45:45 | 6:45:49 | |
overseas to fill posts that cannot
be filled from the resident | 6:45:49 | 6:45:52 | |
workforce. We work with the Spanish
Ministry of education and have | 6:45:52 | 6:45:57 | |
joined their visiting teachers
programme that provides | 6:45:57 | 6:46:00 | |
opportunities for schools in England
to recruit from Spain. There is an | 6:46:00 | 6:46:07 | |
acclimatisation package to support
new teachers to live and work in | 6:46:07 | 6:46:10 | |
England and 16 teachers took up post
in September 2000 and 17. We have | 6:46:10 | 6:46:15 | |
built a group than pool of over 60
available for recruitment in this | 6:46:15 | 6:46:18 | |
academic year. We recognise the
benefits that cultural exchange can | 6:46:18 | 6:46:23 | |
bring. Building important political,
diplomatic and knowledge sharing | 6:46:23 | 6:46:28 | |
networks around the world, not to
mention the lifelong friendships | 6:46:28 | 6:46:33 | |
that come from those exchanges.
Since 2007, the UK Government has | 6:46:33 | 6:46:38 | |
co-an annual headteachers exchange
programme with the Ministry of | 6:46:38 | 6:46:43 | |
education in Singapore, and the
British Council and I were delighted | 6:46:43 | 6:46:48 | |
to attend the tenth anniversary of
that programme last week. This | 6:46:48 | 6:46:52 | |
scheme provides an excellent
opportunity for head teachers in | 6:46:52 | 6:46:55 | |
England to share ideas and practice
with counterparts in Singapore, who | 6:46:55 | 6:46:59 | |
are the best performing country on
important areas such as improving | 6:46:59 | 6:47:04 | |
maths teaching and the use of
textbooks to support and enrich its | 6:47:04 | 6:47:09 | |
curriculum. Headteachers who have
taken part have reported a lasting | 6:47:09 | 6:47:12 | |
positive impact. For example, one
executive head in Lincoln has now | 6:47:12 | 6:47:19 | |
trained 60 teachers across the
teaching schools Alliance in maths | 6:47:19 | 6:47:24 | |
mastery following her visit to
Singapore in 2016. So links and | 6:47:24 | 6:47:30 | |
exchanges between schools have long
provided valuable cultural and | 6:47:30 | 6:47:34 | |
language experiences for pupils and
many schools have long-standing | 6:47:34 | 6:47:36 | |
partnerships with schools overseas.
The British Council manages a number | 6:47:36 | 6:47:41 | |
of programmes in over 40 countries
and a supported framework for | 6:47:41 | 6:47:47 | |
international activities in schools
through its international school | 6:47:47 | 6:47:50 | |
award. Supporting school exchanges
helps create a new generation who | 6:47:50 | 6:47:55 | |
are globally mobile, culturally
agile and thrive in an increasingly | 6:47:55 | 6:47:57 | |
global economy. In higher education,
we are keen to work with the sector | 6:47:57 | 6:48:02 | |
to explore how we can best promote
outward mobility and the benefits UK | 6:48:02 | 6:48:07 | |
students will gain from studying
abroad. This month my honourable | 6:48:07 | 6:48:11 | |
friend that universities Minister
welcomed a campaign launched by | 6:48:11 | 6:48:17 | |
universities UK International to
encourage young people to experience | 6:48:17 | 6:48:21 | |
studying working and volunteering
abroad. This aims to double the | 6:48:21 | 6:48:25 | |
percentage of UK students having
some form of outward mobility | 6:48:25 | 6:48:29 | |
experience as part of their degree
by 2020. In view of time, I cannot | 6:48:29 | 6:48:36 | |
talk about student exchange without
mentioning the Rasmus plus | 6:48:36 | 6:48:41 | |
programme. As my right honourable
friend the Prime Minister made clear | 6:48:41 | 6:48:45 | |
in her Florence speech, education
was one area where she hoped the UK | 6:48:45 | 6:48:48 | |
would continue to participate on the
basis of a fair ongoing contribution | 6:48:48 | 6:48:53 | |
amongst many areas of business,
commerce and culture. But we are not | 6:48:53 | 6:49:00 | |
just committed to providing our
young people with outwardly mobile | 6:49:00 | 6:49:06 | |
opportunities. We also recognise the
importance of welcoming talent from | 6:49:06 | 6:49:10 | |
around the world into our
universities. EU and international | 6:49:10 | 6:49:15 | |
students in rich UK financially and
culturally. They bring diversity our | 6:49:15 | 6:49:20 | |
schools universities and colleges,
adding an international dimensional | 6:49:20 | 6:49:23 | |
to the experience of students and
they go on to become important | 6:49:23 | 6:49:27 | |
ambassadors for the UK in later
life. I am grateful to my honourable | 6:49:27 | 6:49:32 | |
friend for raising these issues
today and allowing me to point out | 6:49:32 | 6:49:35 | |
how much the government values
modern foreign languages, | 6:49:35 | 6:49:39 | |
inspiration for teachers and
students Jane is. I hope she is | 6:49:39 | 6:49:44 | |
reassured that we recognise the
importance of this issue and we are | 6:49:44 | 6:49:47 | |
working to get the right result for
the education sector and the United | 6:49:47 | 6:49:50 | |
Kingdom. The question is that this
House do now adjourn. The ayes have | 6:49:50 | 6:49:56 | |
it. The ayes have it. Order. Order. | 6:49:56 | 6:50:06 |