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followed, he can and will do, he can

do sort through questions and the

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use of the order paper. But he

cannot do it any father just now.

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Order. Substantial pressure on time

today. I thought that the house

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would want urgently to express

support for the victims of racism,

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and bigotry and denounce prevails,

purveyors.

To ask the Home Secretary

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as she will make a statement on the

activities of Britain First, and

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inflammatory statements from the

president of the United States?

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Britain First is an extremist

organisation, seeking to divide

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communities through the use of

people narratives, spreading lies

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and the deputy leader of Britain

First is subject to a pending

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criminal trial, accused of

religiously activated through the

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posting of online material. British

people overwhelmingly reject the

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prejudiced rhetoric of the far

right, the antithesis of the values

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that this country represents.

Decency, tolerance, respect. We

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stand with them. This is why we

launched the counter extremist

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strategy. And why we launched the

action plan just last year. This

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government will not tolerate any

groups who spread hate by demonising

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others. We have been clearer.

President Donald Trump was wrong to

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repost these videos, posted by

Britain First. When we look at the

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wider picture, the relationship

between written and America, I know

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how valuable the friendship is, as

Home Secretary I can tell the house

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that the importance of the

relationship between the countries,

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the intelligence between countries,

it is vital. It has undoubtedly

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seized British lease. That is the

bigger picture and I would urge

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people to remember that.

I thank the

Home Secretary for answering. The

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last time I raised related matters

with you was when members raised the

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opinion that after racist and sexist

behaviour, President Trump should

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not address both houses. I thank the

answer. The extraordinary events

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underlined by members from across

this house will correct to make this

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column about him not coming here,

and the premature author of the

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state visit should not go ahead. I

condemn the original content of the

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messages, are and anybody espousing

this, online or in person, should be

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exposed and dealt with. But we also

have to be clearer. This is the

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president of the United States.

Sharing with millions, inflammatory

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content, deliberately posted to

stoke up the trip, I convicted

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criminal. Representing this

organisation, spreading hatred and

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violence in person and online. He is

either a racist, incompetent or

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unthinking.

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Given the extraordinary events of

the last 24 hours, for correctly

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condemning his actions, can she

confirm if the Prime Minister and

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President have spoken? Has the

Foreign Secretary who just praised

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the President's statements on

Twitter, saying that people related

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to them, summoned ambassadors to

express concerns? President Trump's

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actions and endorsement, could have

any impact on criminal proceedings

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under way? Is the Home Secretary

were that she posted a video

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classmate, helping to keep her out

of prison. And can she confirm when

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the government will take tough

action, on the social media

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companies. We have had no response

from Twitter, typically a

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responsible attitude. Let me

conclude by emphasising that I love

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America and Americans. My true

grandfather was an American GI who

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came here to fight fascism. I have

travelled 25 of the states and it is

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a country of people with

extraordinary generosity. But this

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president represents none of those

things. In one of his last speeches,

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Dwight Eisenhower said then the long

line of history, America knows that

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this word, planet ever growing

smaller must avoid becoming a

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community of the trip and the

approach Confederation of mutual

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trust and respect. As we stand in

the shadow of the words of the

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fallen colleague, Jo Cox, I hope we

have more in common. We must take a

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stand against hatred from the it

comes, otherwise we slept, slip into

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the darkness.

Just before I ask the

Home Secretary to respond, on the

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basis of processional advice, I

ought to say this. As has just been

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referenced by the honourable

gentleman, this is awaiting trial

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and I hope that members will be

conscious that while giving vent two

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opinions as they should and will do,

the importance of avoiding comments

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that could be prejudiced to the

proper conduct of criminal

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proceedings. I thank the honourable

gentleman. The Home Secretary.

Thank

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you for your guidance regarding the

criminal case that has been referred

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to. I hope the honourable member

will understand that I will not

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reply to that particular element for

those reasons. I thank him for his

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wants during the question. I have

those views about America, but I

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also love the country, having worked

there for one year. As I said, I am

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in awe of the mutual trust that we

have with America. The effort that

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they need to work with us. The

values with American people and the

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way that the work has been so

important to helping us on

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intelligence matters which has

undoubtedly seized British lease.

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He was particularly well he had done

about online social media extremism

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of various sorts. We have taken it

extremely seriously, which is why I

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prescribed national correction, the

first national far right group to be

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prescribed in this way as a

terrorist organisation. We are very

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careful with identifying what the

merits prescription or not. He may

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have a different view, but in the

letter of the Lord that we abide by,

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we have to be very clear where

members or activists embark on

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actions which are or not legal. We

have to draw that line very

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carefully. We have prescribed

national action and we will always

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keep under review what other

organisations may be prescribed. He

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asked what else we are doing with

online companies to make sure the

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Internet is free of dangerous

material and you will no doubt know

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that the UK has been leading in this

area. The Prime Minister has called

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for more action, we called for more

war in the wake of the terrorists

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attacks this year for a global

Internet forum for counterterrorism

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which I went to myself in San

Francisco the launch of only some.

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Internet companies are taking

action. Twitter now takes down to

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95% of illegal material for using

artificial intelligence. The fact

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that they are now engaging in

machine learning to get this hate

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taken down is an incredibly

important investment and

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breakthrough to ensure that more is

taken down. We are not complacent.

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There is more that needs to be done

and we will always make sure that we

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provide the vital leadership to

provide that it does take place.

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Finally she asked about the Prime

Minister. He asked about whether she

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had spoken to the president, and I

would just say to that big is the

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Prime Minister will always have

regular calls with the president.

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She has been explicit in criticising

this tweet and I know that she will

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always make sure that she calls it

out where she sees it and that is

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what she has done here.

The retweet

has been condemned, we can

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concentrate by the wrong was done by

the original tweet, can I asked the

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Home Secretary that by identifying

and putting down and putting out the

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religious trains...

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I thank my honourable friend from

the question and it is essential

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that we have a fair approach to all

types of extremism. And with a view

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to that we always make sure that the

far right extremism is treated just

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as harshly as it should be as any

sort of Islamic terrorism. It is

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interesting to observe that 25% of

the referrals to the channel

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programme, the display programme

following prevent referrals, are in

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fact on the far right side.

The Home

Secretary will appreciate that on

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the side of the House we believe the

United States is our most important

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ally. We would anticipate that any

British Government will want to work

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closely with the United States on

issues of mutual concern. And we on

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the side of the House, thou to know

one in our affection and respect for

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the American people. But on the

question of the online activities of

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the 41st president, does -- 45th the

Home Secretary except that the fact

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that the 45th president chose to

retweet material from Britain First

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is not just offensive to people of

Muslim heritage, it is not just

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offensive to British people of black

and minority ethnic heritage, it is

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offensive to all decent British

people will stop it is also an

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attack on the values of this

country. So whilst on the side of

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the House we appreciate the

importance of real politic, we would

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also call on the Government to make

clear that in no way, and at no

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time, does it give any support

whatsoever to the distasteful views

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of the 45th president on race and

migration and our Muslim communities

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internationally. Because to do

anything else would be a front to

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voters in this country whichever

side of the House they support.

I

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thank the Right honourable lady for

her powerful response. And I think

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that it is fair to say that we have

been very clear. President Donald

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Trump was wrong to retweet videos

posted by the far right group

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Britain First. We have said so

clearly in this House and the Prime

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Minister has said so clearly online.

We will continue to speak freely and

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frankly when it takes place.

I think

the whole house will agree with the

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Prime Minister's words. One of the

advantages of having such a special

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relationship with the United States

is that when a friend tells you you

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done something dreadfully wrong, you

tend to listen. And when the world

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be a better place if the Prime

Minister could persuade the

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President of the United States to

delete his Twitter account?

My

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honourable friend makes an important

point. It is true, I think we all

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listen more carefully perhaps to

criticism from our friends than from

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people we don't have a relationship

with. So I hope the prime Minster's

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comments will have some impact on

the president and it is interesting

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to note my honourable friend advice

regarding Twitter accounts, I'm sure

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many of this share his view.

On

these benches we have long taken the

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view that the current President of

the United States should not be

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afforded a state visit to the United

Kingdom and yesterday's actions have

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reinforced that absolutely. We

respect absolutely the office of the

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United States as a fantastic country

and ally, however the sharing of

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tweets by a offensive organisation

is not for a high office and it must

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be condemned. We call for the

Government to go further. Isn't one

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of the key dangers of a state visit

that we have absolutely no idea what

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the president will say or tweet next

and before he visits. What does he

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actually need to say or tweet before

the idea of a state visit is ditched

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once and for all?

An invitation for

the visit has been extended and

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accepted. But the dates and the

precise arrangements have yet to be

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agreed.

Local authorities have a key

role in combating extremism. Given

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the Home Secretary say what the

Government plans to do further to

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support local authorities to ensure

they can undertake this role?

Local

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authorities do have an important

role to play. We had an active

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engagement programme with them

through the prevent programme, which

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allows us to support community

organisations who were really

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embedded in the local area we can

then go out and engage with local

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groups and provide the support to

safeguard people, safeguard

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particularly young men and women who

may be becoming radicalised. I think

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it is an incredibly important part

of how we look after our communities

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in this country and we will continue

to do so.

We agree on the importance

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of our relationship with the US and

our peoples have stood together

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against far right extremism and

against Islamist extremism and will

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do so again. That is exactly why we

cannot pander now. Because Britain

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First gets its succour from

spreading its poison and extremism

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online. That is how works and the

President of the United States has

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just given it a rocket boost in

promoting hatred in our communities.

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Online is where the new battle for

democracy is being fought. And the

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Prime Minister has rightly

challenged Putin's Russia for what

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she described as seeking to

weaponise information, to plant fake

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stories in an attempt to sow

discord. That means, no matter what

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diplomatic route we find to do it,

we cannot simply roll out a red

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carpet and give a platform for the

President of the United States to

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also soak discord in our

communities. We know he and they

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will keep doing this and cheap

spreading extremism and we also know

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from the fact finders, and from our

own history, where the spread of

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extremism leads and less enough of

us are prepared to stand up now and

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say no.

We do stand up to extremism.

We stand up to it in our own

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communities and we stand up to it as

the Prime Minister has when she

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criticised the president for doing

that retweet for which we are here

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and discussing it today. In terms of

trying to clean up the online

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community, the Honourable lady is

right in saying that is where so

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much of the battle takes place. That

is why this Government is focused on

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taking it down. And why our

relationship with the US is so

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important. When I called for an

Internet Round Table of these

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Internet giants after the first

terrorist attack in March, we got

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the UK representatives coming. It

was only with the support of the US

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that we were able to get the global

Internet forum setup. They are based

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in San Francisco. Unable to work at

the highest levels without US

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friends in order to get action taken

is the best way to achieve those

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outcomes. I would just urge her to

bear that in mind.

About a month ago

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the most popular man in the world

was a last eight employee of Twitter

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who unplugged the account of the

President of the United States. Was

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he not right and it Twitter is

genuine in its commitment to fight

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hate crime online edition techno

hesitance in taking down the account

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of the first Citizen of the US as it

would as any other citizen of the

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world that peddle such a crime?

I'm

sure the Chief Executive of Twitter

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will have heard the interesting

suggestion from my honourable friend

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and we will leave it to them to

decide what action to take.

I think

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it is pretty clear that on the basis

of what we already know about this

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fascist president that mere words

are not enough. Action is needed.

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Three times she has a ready been

asked by three people on the side of

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the House to cancel the state visit.

Action is needed now, not a slap on

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the wrist! Cancel the state visit!

I

thank the honourable gentleman for

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his views. I can only repeat what I

said before, that the invitation has

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been extended and accented and we

have yet to make the arrangements.

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But thank you for your views.

Is it

irony that the President of the

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United States loves Twitter who

talks about fake news actually

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retweeted fake news. But the danger,

the real danger, is that the vast

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majority of our constituents have

never heard of Britain first and

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message given huge oxygen. Shouldn't

we all go back to constituencies and

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go to our communities and say no

matter what that their faith is,

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what their beliefs are, we are

together as a community and the

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president was stupid in what he did.

I thank my honourable friend

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anti-racist such an important point

which is we need to reassure our

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communities that the sort of hate

that is promoted by Britain First is

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alien to us and if we look to the

response, not only to the tragic,

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tragic death of Jo Cox, but also to

the terrorist attacks that we had

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this year. What we actually saw with

our communities coming together,

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refusing to be divided and making

sure that we show that to be the

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case around our own neighbourhoods

as well as across the benches of the

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House.

How would she respond if

similar tweets to those made by

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President Trump were made by a

Muslim leader promoting hatred?

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Would they be allowed into the UK?

The honourable gentleman should not

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rush to that conclusion. As I hope

he has heard I have been clear that

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we take an evenhanded approach to

individuals and to extremism of any

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sort which is why I took the time to

point out the right wing extremism

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of the sort that we saw retweeted

and that we saw in natural action,

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and why we prescribed it, is just as

hateful and dangerous as any sort of

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radical Islamic type.

I congratulate

my right honourable friend and the

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Prime Minister for their strong

words and strong action in

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condemning this evil word teens

spread. Can she looked at

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encouraging Internet companies to

ensure that accounts are clearly

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identified as individuals but also

the representations that they

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represent. There is a risk that this

is a general view of British people

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and it clearly is not. We need to

isolate these people for the people

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they are.

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It is a good point that we must be

careful. We must be careful not to

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allow all this conversation about

the hatred and hate filled group to

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feel interest in a group which we

want to make sure does not represent

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Britain and does not represent our

values and should not in any way be

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interpreted as doing so. It is an

interesting point we should all act

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on.

Mr Speaker, hatred breeds hatred and

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an attack on the Muslim community is

an attack on us all. Not content

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with antagonising people in the

state, by giving a platform to

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Britain First, a radically racist

and neofascist organisation, Donald

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Trump is actively sowing seeds of

hatred in our country. At the time

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when hate crimes in our country are

increasing, what action will be Home

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Secretary take to mitigate against

this horrific action the president

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has taken yesterday?

I would say to the honourable lady,

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as she knows that we take all forms

of hate crimes seriously and we

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always encourage the communities to

replace them... To report them when

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it takes place. I have with Police

and Crime Commissioner 's and Chiefs

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of police to ensure reporting does

take place. Critically, we have a

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role to make sure that the online

companies do more to make sure it is

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taken down and do more to ensure

that the sort of reports we have had

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on the big news don't take place,

and do more to help us identify who

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has been promoting some of this

hateful information. We are as a

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Government on the front foot injury

and we engage with online companies

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and show leadership that is expected

and make sure the material is taken

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down.

Mr Speaker, we all condemn and feel

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disgusted by the hate speech that

has been propagated by Mr Trump and

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others. Does she agree with me that

the danger with these organisations

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like Britain First is that they

cloak their hatred activities behind

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a cloak of fluffiness and will

sometimes talk about Remembrance Day

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and they actually do this in a very

insidious way to trick people? I'm

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not suggesting this is Donald Trump,

he ought to have known better... But

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these are the tactics they use, so

what is she doing with the

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Government to really understand and

develop understanding so we can

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fight this all the fronts that

affect our communities so

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dangerously?

Think my honourable friend rate is

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an important point, and she is

correct that sometimes extremist far

0:24:490:24:55

right groups do as she says and try

to hijack our national symbols and

0:24:550:25:01

our national days of Memorial and

remembrance, and we need to make

0:25:010:25:03

sure that we always call that out. I

am saying to my honourable friend

0:25:030:25:07

the best we can do is call it out

and make sure that we spread the

0:25:070:25:10

alternative story about British

values.

0:25:100:25:16

Paul Flynn.

2 million people signed a petition

0:25:160:25:20

of outrage when the president was

given an honour that has never been

0:25:200:25:27

offered to any other president, a

red-carpet visit to the country in

0:25:270:25:32

the first month of his office. Since

then he has dangerously increased

0:25:320:25:36

tension in every world conflict he

has addressed. He has disgraced

0:25:360:25:43

himself again and again and he

worries us because his impulse of

0:25:430:25:47

finger is on the nuclear button. If

he is allowed to come to this

0:25:470:25:50

country now, he should be treated as

anyone else who breaks the law and

0:25:500:25:54

charged with inciting racial hatred.

The Government should withdraw the

0:25:540:26:06

invitation

hear, hear.

I would repeat to the honourable

0:26:060:26:08

gentleman we have not yet made

arrangements for the visit but

0:26:080:26:12

invitation has been extended and has

been accepted.

0:26:120:26:18

Politics and Twitter is a toxic mix,

for politicians twitching encourages

0:26:180:26:26

the transmission of half formed

ideas instead of listening to

0:26:260:26:29

develop arguments of others. It

prompts a culture of instant

0:26:290:26:32

reaction as opposed to considered

thought and provokes people to

0:26:320:26:36

immediate outrage instead of calling

for reflection. Could my right

0:26:360:26:42

honourable friend Topley has helped

politicians taking to Twitter has

0:26:420:26:44

led to an improvement in modern

civilisation?

0:26:440:26:47

LAUGHTER

Home Secretary.

0:26:470:26:51

I think that is a slightly young my

capacity -- that is beyond my

0:26:510:26:58

capacity to date. Saying to my

honourable friend, he is right in so

0:26:580:27:03

far as I think many of us could

benefit from a bit more considered

0:27:030:27:10

thought and pausing in contemplation

before pressing respond or reply to

0:27:100:27:13

Twitter attacks.

It is important that the messages of

0:27:130:27:19

hatred spread by the president of

the United States are condemned for

0:27:190:27:22

the violence they are. I speak on

behalf of my party to urge the

0:27:220:27:27

Government to rescind its offer of a

state visit to a president who has

0:27:270:27:30

used his global platform to

propagate and intolerance. Could I

0:27:300:27:33

ask the Home Secretary to elaborate

on the pressure that will be exerted

0:27:330:27:37

on social media platforms like

Twitter to prevent untrue and

0:27:370:27:42

poisonous content from permeating

our society?

0:27:420:27:45

I thank the honourable gentleman and

I would again repeat that in terms

0:27:450:27:48

of the visit from the president, the

invitation has been extended and

0:27:480:27:53

accepted, and I would also point out

that as the president of the United

0:27:530:28:01

States... We must remember the

United States itself as such an

0:28:010:28:04

important relationship with this

country in terms of keeping us safe

0:28:040:28:08

as well. So before we rush to making

those changes I would urge all

0:28:080:28:12

honourable members to just keep that

in mind, the importance. I also hope

0:28:120:28:17

he has heard from me this morning

about how very seriously we take the

0:28:170:28:20

issue of making sure that all

illegal and extreme content, that is

0:28:200:28:27

illegal, is taking down from Twitter

and other online platforms, and that

0:28:270:28:30

they take more of an active role

themselves in making sure that this

0:28:300:28:34

material does not stay up.

In a cynical attempt to harness the

0:28:340:28:41

Brexit vote in my constituency, the

EDL last year saw to organise a far

0:28:410:28:45

right march. Just nine people showed

up but that is named people to many.

0:28:450:28:51

Does the Home Secretary agree with

me that there is still work to do to

0:28:510:28:56

make sure that well the views of the

EDL and Britain First do not

0:28:560:29:00

represent the mainstream of this

country and they are abhorrent,

0:29:000:29:02

there is work to do to make sure we

bring forth more of those views to

0:29:020:29:11

make sure we can dispute them.

He is correct and they in no way we

0:29:110:29:16

present the views of the British

people as he and I and the rest of

0:29:160:29:19

the honourable members nonentity.

There is always more work to do. As

0:29:190:29:23

he says, even nine are unwelcome,

but as also has been pointed out

0:29:230:29:27

several times in the house today,

the real danger of encouraging

0:29:270:29:31

activity and extremism is

increasingly online. That is where

0:29:310:29:34

we are focusing so much of our

effort to ensure that we don't allow

0:29:340:29:38

it to continue.

In her previous role as Home

0:29:380:29:45

Secretary the Prime Minister banned

people from entering this country,

0:29:450:29:47

individuals who had promoted

organisations paddling hateful

0:29:470:29:53

ideology and fascism. This morning

David Duke, grand Wizard of a Ku

0:29:530:29:57

Klux Klan, applauded Donald Trump.

The New York Times notes that no

0:29:570:30:01

modern American president has

promoted inflammatory content like

0:30:010:30:05

this from an extremist organisation.

Not only has the Commander in Tweet

0:30:050:30:11

done this but I did it. Publicly

chastised by the British minister,

0:30:110:30:16

putting aside the question of eight

state visit, should even be allowed

0:30:160:30:21

to enter our country. Unprecedented

actions require unprecedented

0:30:210:30:26

response.

I will point out to the honourable

0:30:260:30:28

lady the Prime Minister has robust

Lee replied to the president and

0:30:280:30:32

made her views absolutely clear. --

she replied in a robust way. In

0:30:320:30:38

terms of what the honourable lady is

also proposing, we do not routinely

0:30:380:30:44

comment on individual exclusion

cases.

0:30:440:30:45

Is the Home Secretary satisfied that

President Trump's paper, not an

0:30:450:30:52

isolated and alone, does not

undermine the important security

0:30:520:30:55

ankle operation blessing to the

state? And just because somebody

0:30:550:30:58

stops using Twitter does not mean

they cease to be a twit. -- it does

0:30:580:31:06

not undermine the important security

relationship between the US and the

0:31:060:31:11

UK.

It does not undermine how close the

0:31:110:31:14

relationship is an matter how people

feel about the president himself, we

0:31:140:31:18

must protect our particular

relationship we have with the US,

0:31:180:31:20

which does so much of the British

people say.

0:31:200:31:25

Chris Bryant.

The Home Secretary is missing

0:31:250:31:28

something here. This was not an

accident and was not stupid but

0:31:280:31:34

deliberate and intentional. The

evidence is even after the Prime

0:31:340:31:37

Minister said he was wrong he

decided to stand by Britain First. I

0:31:370:31:42

say to the Home Secretary, it is no

good saying we have been robust. You

0:31:420:31:46

have been robust before and it has

not made the blind is the

0:31:460:31:49

difference. He is a repeat offender

and it will go on and on. You cannot

0:31:490:31:52

stand up to this kind of action that

Mac you cannot stand up to horrible

0:31:520:32:01

racism or pretend to do so and

invite the man in through the front

0:32:010:32:04

door.

Hear, hear.

0:32:040:32:07

In the past the Home Secretary

repeatedly and rightly when she was

0:32:070:32:10

Home Secretary, the Prime Minister

said homophobes and races to stir up

0:32:100:32:15

hatred in this country will not be

allowed in this country and if they

0:32:150:32:18

come here they will be arrested.

That is what should happen in this

0:32:180:32:21

case and the Home Secretary knows

it. Just say it.

0:32:210:32:25

Hear, hear

I would say to the

honourable gentleman, there is no

0:32:250:32:31

pretence here and we are absolutely

clear in the action we will take

0:32:310:32:34

against people who propagate hate

and he should not underestimate the

0:32:340:32:37

Prime Minister's views on this and

the Prime Minister's absolute

0:32:370:32:42

clarity and criticising the

president and showing that the

0:32:420:32:46

public in her comments to him.

I will not take any criticism for

0:32:460:32:50

him on the fact that this side of

the house, this Government is

0:32:500:32:54

committed to the agenda of making

sure that we protect people and we

0:32:540:32:59

promote British values, and I will

continue to protect apposition from

0:32:590:33:01

here.

I thank the Home Secretary for her

0:33:010:33:06

very important words this morning,

echoing the Prime Minister. Would

0:33:060:33:10

she agree with me that all

politicians and community leaders at

0:33:100:33:16

every level and in every community

have a duty to be temperate in their

0:33:160:33:21

language, tolerant in their actions,

mindful of their social media

0:33:210:33:25

presence? And make sure that the

Home Secretary holds content

0:33:250:33:30

platforms to account so that

community cohesion and understanding

0:33:300:33:35

is maintained?

Yes, my honourable friend is correct

0:33:350:33:40

and the issue of making sure that we

support communities in their genuine

0:33:400:33:46

efforts and plans and programmes to

hold together, despite difficulties

0:33:460:33:51

that may come through, is incredibly

important. We saw that this year

0:33:510:33:55

when, despite the wake of a series

of terrorist attacks, our

0:33:550:33:59

communities did hold it together and

many of them went out of their way

0:33:590:34:02

to support other faiths and where

other people were criticising them.

0:34:020:34:07

That is the British way and those

are our values and what we should be

0:34:070:34:10

proud of.

Doctor Lisa Cameron.

0:34:100:34:14

We must take a firm stance against

hate speech and ensure future

0:34:140:34:20

generations do so. Would become

secretaries speak with colleagues

0:34:200:34:24

and consider supporting Holocaust

education in schools so younger

0:34:240:34:27

generations can understand the

importance of standing against

0:34:270:34:31

discrimination and the grave

consequences of inaction?

0:34:310:34:35

A very important point from the

honourable lady and I thank her for

0:34:350:34:37

raising it. The Holocaust

educational trust does good and

0:34:370:34:41

important work and I know that

because some of my children in my

0:34:410:34:45

schools in Hastings and right have

been on those trips and I have been

0:34:450:34:48

myself. It is a powerful way of

remembering the terrible things that

0:34:480:34:53

happened and how by remembering and

by learning we can make sure they do

0:34:530:34:56

not happen again. I support her

point.

0:34:560:35:00

Does the Home Secretary share my

astonishment that someone in the

0:35:000:35:05

position of the President of the

United States actually finds the

0:35:050:35:08

time to be trawling through Twitter,

looking for posts as abhorrent as he

0:35:080:35:13

has re-tweeted, does he share my

view that Barker making America

0:35:130:35:16

great again, his actions in

retweeting those tweets reflect

0:35:160:35:20

badly on his office and undermine

the very principles that the United

0:35:200:35:24

States was founded on? -- far from

making America great again.

0:35:240:35:30

That is why the Prime Minister was

swift and Bremen her response to his

0:35:300:35:33

Tweet.

Thank you. Mr Speaker, when I think

0:35:330:35:40

of Muslim children in Newcastle

waking up to find themselves being

0:35:400:35:44

attacked by the president of the

most powerful nation on earth,

0:35:440:35:48

because that is how it will appear

to them, my heart bleeds. But the

0:35:480:35:54

body get president is not

accountable to the children of

0:35:540:35:57

Newcastle. -- the 45th president. It

is a busy to them he does hold

0:35:570:36:02

themselves accountable but the

social media giants are accountable

0:36:020:36:04

to the Home Secretary so what will

the Home Secretary do to demonstrate

0:36:040:36:08

that accountability?

The honourable lady might prefer her

0:36:080:36:15

friends in the community to the

comment by Mike right honourable

0:36:150:36:19

friend the Secretary of State for

Communities and Local Government,

0:36:190:36:22

who very much made his comments as a

Muslim, and I think that other

0:36:220:36:26

Muslims in this country might take

comfort from that as well. In terms

0:36:260:36:30

of what we are doing online, we are

making sure that we provide the

0:36:300:36:35

leadership necessary to make as much

of this hate and illegal information

0:36:350:36:41

that are sometimes put online taken

down. In order to do that, the

0:36:410:36:45

relationship with the US, which is

what is critical for this house to

0:36:450:36:50

understand, the relationship with

the US is absolutely critical to

0:36:500:36:54

making real progress with the online

companies. They are American

0:36:540:36:58

companies and they are based in

Silicon Valley. They are subject to

0:36:580:37:03

US law. If going to make real

progress with these internet

0:37:030:37:06

companies, we have to do it in close

alliance with our American friends.

0:37:060:37:15

And when the Prime Minister has her

next regular conversation with the

0:37:150:37:19

United States president, could the

Home Secretary ensure that she

0:37:190:37:22

conveys to him that the prevailing

of this kind of hate speech simply

0:37:220:37:28

serves the ends of those who wish to

promote hatred in my constituency

0:37:280:37:32

and between different communities in

my constituency. And that she also

0:37:320:37:38

undertake to ask the Prime Minister

to convey to him that my black,

0:37:380:37:45

Muslim, Jewish and other minority

constituents, every time this hate

0:37:450:37:50

speech is perpetrated feel more fear

and alienation and suspicion from

0:37:500:37:54

others in the community. And that is

why C, the president, will not be

0:37:540:37:59

welcome in this country because he

is perpetrating and extending that

0:37:590:38:03

hate speech.

We are very clear that

the sort of hate that she describes,

0:38:030:38:08

the sort of division that has signed

by Britain first for instance is

0:38:080:38:14

completely unwelcome here in the UK.

And we will always make sure that we

0:38:140:38:18

will take action to call it out. We

also operate in the Home Office to

0:38:180:38:24

take down information that can

sometimes get up that should not be

0:38:240:38:29

there. We sometimes take down

terrorist content, around 2000

0:38:290:38:34

pieces a week. We are always short

that we have more information out

0:38:340:38:39

there to help bind our communities

together, like her, I share that

0:38:390:38:43

view and I have the same response in

my own constituency to be absolutely

0:38:430:38:48

clear that our communities will pull

together and pour all hate crime and

0:38:480:38:54

always say that.

May I offer the

Government a way out of the

0:38:540:38:57

diplomatic ditch that they are in.

Her Majesty the Queen, because of a

0:38:570:39:02

great and very welcome age has been

coming back on her engagements. She

0:39:020:39:07

has a royal wedding to look forward

to next year and the birth of a

0:39:070:39:12

great grandchild. Don't those facts

alone justify the Government

0:39:120:39:16

announcing the postponement of the

state visit by the President of the

0:39:160:39:20

United States for at least three

years?

I think the honourable

0:39:200:39:27

gentleman for his thoughtful advice

to the Royal family. And as I have

0:39:270:39:32

said previously, the dates have not

yet been agreed, but thank you for

0:39:320:39:36

your advice.

I'm very saddened by

what Trump has done, like many

0:39:360:39:44

people in our country, I have been a

great friend of America, as a very

0:39:440:39:49

young man I emigrated to the United

States and to cherish my green card.

0:39:490:39:53

But so many of my American friends

and relatives had said to me over

0:39:530:39:58

these last few hours, this man does

not speak for America. This man is

0:39:580:40:05

betraying the tradition of the

United States of freedom and liberty

0:40:050:40:10

and respecting everyone whatever

their religion or background.

0:40:100:40:13

Please, as we negotiate, please stop

this man coming on a state visit

0:40:130:40:20

because if he comes there will be

demonstrations of unparalleled in

0:40:200:40:25

the past in this country. Please

will she act now before it is too

0:40:250:40:28

late.

I think the honourable

gentleman for his comments and like

0:40:280:40:35

him I am a great admirer of America

and like him I have friends with

0:40:350:40:41

different views shall we say, to the

President who are keen to

0:40:410:40:46

communicate them to me. As far as

the invitation is concerned, I thank

0:40:460:40:50

him for his views, but no date has

been agreed yet.

Can I emphasise

0:40:500:40:58

that the issues that the President

of the United States has said on

0:40:580:41:01

Twitter is not what the American

people and of an sure that most

0:41:010:41:05

Americans would be both embarrassed

and abhorred by what the president

0:41:050:41:08

has done. The Home Secretary is in

charge of policing in this country,

0:41:080:41:12

say this is a very serious and

direct question. Racial and

0:41:120:41:16

religious hatred and inciting it is

a crime in this country. Have either

0:41:160:41:20

Twitter or the president of the US

committed a crime?

Mr Speaker, we

0:41:200:41:28

keep all potential crimes of the

type that the honourable gentleman

0:41:280:41:32

has referred to under review. I am

not going to comment on individual

0:41:320:41:36

cases of the type that he has said.

I am sure that he can conclude

0:41:360:41:40

himself of the line between free

speech and criminal activity and I

0:41:400:41:46

would think I will leave it at that.

Two years ago I tabled an early day

0:41:460:41:54

motion calling for the then

presidential candidate Trump to be

0:41:540:41:58

banned from visiting the UK in light

of the extremely divisive comments

0:41:580:42:02

he made at that time until he

retracted those comments. With his

0:42:020:42:09

tweets yesterday and overnight it is

clear that he has not changed, and

0:42:090:42:12

that is the key point. Can the Home

Secretary tell me why it is right

0:42:120:42:18

for someone so intent on stirring up

hatred contrary to the values of

0:42:180:42:23

this country to be invited to the UK

for an all-expenses-paid state visit

0:42:230:42:28

at the expense of the tax payer? Won

and what about the values of the

0:42:280:42:35

American people? The American people

of whom he's the president, the

0:42:350:42:39

American people he so many members

here on both sides of the had said

0:42:390:42:43

them admire. Those are the values

that I admire. Those are the values

0:42:430:42:48

that I feel we have so much in

common with.

The Home Secretary will

0:42:480:42:54

know very well that in this tolerant

country of ours Muslims and

0:42:540:43:01

non-Muslims live in peace together

as friends and neighbours and

0:43:010:43:04

sometimes as members of the same

families. How do I go back and

0:43:040:43:07

explain to my own constituents that

there is a national interest in

0:43:070:43:13

inviting somebody who is there to

divide our communities?

I would urge

0:43:130:43:19

the honourable gentleman to point

out perhaps some of the points that

0:43:190:43:22

I've made today in the House about

the way she is the American

0:43:220:43:27

president and we have such

admiration and affection for the

0:43:270:43:30

American people that we share values

with an insane many different ways.

0:43:300:43:34

And that we are so grateful to their

intelligence services and security

0:43:340:43:39

services, that with whom we work so

closely, that the closeness of that

0:43:390:43:43

work, the trust between this allows

up them to help save British lives

0:43:430:43:49

so effectively. That is why we have

such a close and special

0:43:490:43:52

relationship with the Americans.

Mr

Speaker, taking the charitable view

0:43:520:44:02

that the United States doesn't know

the character of this organisation

0:44:020:44:06

whose vile utterances he has

endorsed, will she ensure the House

0:44:060:44:11

that the Government will make him

well aware of its view of the

0:44:110:44:16

character of this organisation and

of its effects so that he has the

0:44:160:44:21

opportunity clearly to distance

himself from any association with it

0:44:210:44:25

before they can be any question of

him visiting the United Kingdom?

It

0:44:250:44:31

is certainly our intention to be

absolutely clear that the type of

0:44:310:44:36

organisation that he appeared to be

promoting in his retweet is wholly

0:44:360:44:40

unwelcome, it is full of hate and we

will continue to call that out. I

0:44:400:44:45

think my right honourable friend the

Prime Minister made that clear in

0:44:450:44:50

her criticism of him. That we will

not make an opportunity to make that

0:44:500:44:55

clear again and we will do so

strongly and family.

Back in 2010,

0:44:550:45:01

the now Prime Minister as Home

Secretary, banned radical Indian

0:45:010:45:06

tele- evangelist preacher for

entering the UK for his repeated

0:45:060:45:11

pattern of unacceptable behaviour

and in particular his line, every

0:45:110:45:15

Muslim is a terrorist. Eric sacked

workers at the time were, I am not

0:45:150:45:18

willing to allow those not conducive

to the public good to enter the UK.

0:45:180:45:23

Surely the same applies here to

President Trump and his frequent

0:45:230:45:27

Republican outbursts and

particularly that we are in

0:45:270:45:32

Islamophobia awareness month

dislodge the other day. The

0:45:320:45:35

Government own report was quoted.

That says that trigger events feed

0:45:350:45:41

Islamophobia, women with hijabs

being ripped off. Grand as being

0:45:410:45:47

murdered, pigs heads being left on

doorsteps. Can I ask that she does

0:45:470:45:53

the same as our predecessor, as our

Prime Minister did previously, also

0:45:530:45:59

a wrapper that was excluded for his

misogynist lyrics. Can they not

0:45:590:46:02

continue this and then this is it

altogether?

I thank the honourable

0:46:020:46:09

lady particularly for the point

about Islamophobia that we take

0:46:090:46:12

incredibly seriously and why it

featured so strongly in the hate

0:46:120:46:16

crime action plan that I launch last

year and why we have provided extra

0:46:160:46:20

money to make sure that mosques can

be protected. Which is why we

0:46:200:46:24

provide additional financial support

in the great work in combating

0:46:240:46:32

Islamophobia. We are very serious in

addressing the type of hate crime

0:46:320:46:35

that she addressed can be stopped so

we can protect people. The Prime

0:46:350:46:41

Minister was absolutely right to ban

the people that she referred to, we

0:46:410:46:45

do not comment on individual

exclusion cases, but I will make

0:46:450:46:48

sure that we always look very

carefully.

My constituents know only

0:46:480:46:56

too well where extremism ultimately

leads. And the actions of the

0:46:560:46:58

president cannot be set aside as a

mistake. He is a repeat offender as

0:46:580:47:05

has already been said. These are his

views. Anybody else holding these

0:47:050:47:09

views would not be welcome in this

country. The Home Secretary must see

0:47:090:47:14

the double standards that she is

representing here today by saying

0:47:140:47:21

that she condemns the actions of the

president but at the same time is

0:47:210:47:26

opening her arms with an invitation

to him to come to this country.

0:47:260:47:30

Surely, she has to say and send a

clear message, that he's not here.

I

0:47:300:47:36

don't accept that there are double

standards. What I accept is that we

0:47:360:47:40

have been totally consistent in

making sure that we call out hate

0:47:400:47:45

crime and we take aggressive action

in order to stop him. Which is why

0:47:450:47:49

my right honourable friend the Prime

Minister responded so strongly to

0:47:490:47:52

that tweet and white other Cabinet

ministers have also taken action as

0:47:520:47:57

well. We will always make sure that

we call it out and we take action in

0:47:570:48:01

order to stop the vile hate crime

that can take place.

Has anyone in

0:48:010:48:10

the UK Government actually asked for

these tweets to be taken down?

Mr

0:48:100:48:17

Speaker I will have to come back to

the honourable lady on that matter.

0:48:170:48:28

Can the Home Secretary provide me

with some guidance about how I

0:48:280:48:32

should respond to residents in my

incredibly diverse constituency when

0:48:320:48:37

they asked me why our Government is

affording someone with such an

0:48:370:48:43

horror and, vile, fascist and

bigoted views, the luxury of a state

0:48:430:48:47

visit? And if we don't take action

today, when will we?

Can I asked the

0:48:470:48:53

honourable lady to refer to

constituents, as I will mind, to the

0:48:530:48:57

strong response that the Prime

Minister responded with. Also I

0:48:570:49:03

would ask to point out why the

strong relationship the US is so in

0:49:030:49:09

her constituents' interest. Tell

them, explain to them, that it is

0:49:090:49:15

action that we have shared with the

intelligence services in the US that

0:49:150:49:18

helps to keep British people say. We

do not want to jeopardise any of

0:49:180:49:21

that. She shakes her head, that this

is an important point in terms of

0:49:210:49:29

keeping her constituents say. That

relationship is so critical would

0:49:290:49:31

not want to harm it at all.

Surely

the robust response required now is

0:49:310:49:41

to withdraw that invitation.

The

most important action that we can

0:49:410:49:47

take to stop the promulgation of the

type of hate crime that has been

0:49:470:49:52

promoted by Britain First and is

promoted by other extreme right-wing

0:49:520:49:56

groups is to make sure that we work

with major Internet companies to get

0:49:560:50:01

more action taken. And this is

exactly the area where the UK has

0:50:010:50:06

been leading internationally. It is

the area where the Prime Minister

0:50:060:50:09

has been leading at the recent UN

conference. The whole house can rely

0:50:090:50:16

on this Government to make sure that

we do that and that they deliver for

0:50:160:50:19

us.

In thinking the honourable

gentleman from Cardiff for

0:50:190:50:28

submitting his urgent question, I

would like to take this opportunity

0:50:280:50:31

to thank the Home Secretary and the

Shadow Home Secretary for being

0:50:310:50:37

present on this important occasion.

And coupled with that, perhaps I can

0:50:370:50:43

express my gratitude to all

colleagues for participating in this

0:50:430:50:48

very important set of exchanges.

Just before I called the Shadow

0:50:480:50:53

leader for business question, I

would emphasise that there is huge

0:50:530:50:58

pressure on time from now on,

because there is an emergency debate

0:50:580:51:02

under SA 24 to take place which can

run up to three hours. And two

0:51:020:51:07

debates to be conducted under the

auspices of the backbench business

0:51:070:51:10

committee. Therefore is a premium

now on short questions and short

0:51:100:51:15

answers.

Could I ask the Leader of

the House to update the House on the

0:51:150:51:21

previously announced business.

The

Leader of the House, Andrea Leadsom.

0:51:210:51:34

Thank you. The business for the week

commencing the 4th of December, will

0:51:340:51:41

include the continuing of the

European Union withdraw build a

0:51:410:51:44

four. Opposition Day six, a lot

today, there will be a debate on an

0:51:440:51:50

opposition motion is subject to be

announced. Continuation of the

0:51:500:51:56

committee European withdrawal Bill

Day five. Thursday the 7th of

0:51:560:51:59

December, debate on a motion on

prison reform and safety led by a

0:51:590:52:03

general debate on the UK fishing

industry, the subject of these

0:52:030:52:07

debates were determined by the

backbench business committee. Friday

0:52:070:52:10

the 8th of December the House will

not be sitting. The provisional

0:52:100:52:14

business for the week commencing the

11th of December will include Monday

0:52:140:52:19

the 11th of December, the second

reading of the Finance Bill. Tuesday

0:52:190:52:21

the 12th of December, continuation

committee of the European Union

0:52:210:52:26

withdraw

0:52:260:52:32

A fantastic.

Wednesday the 13th of December,

0:52:330:52:38

continuation of the European Union

Withdrawal Bill debate day seven.

0:52:380:52:41

Thursday 14th, debate and a motion

of the quality of pension provision

0:52:410:52:45

for women. Followed by debate on a

motion on the hormone pregnancy

0:52:450:52:49

tests. The subjects for these

debates were determined by the

0:52:490:52:51

backbench is this committee. Friday

15th of December the house will not

0:52:510:52:57

be sitting. Provisional business for

the week commencing 18th of December

0:52:570:53:01

and will include Monday the 18th of

December consideration committee of

0:53:010:53:05

the Finance Bill Day one. Tuesday

19th of December, consideration and

0:53:050:53:09

committee of the Finance Bill Day

two. Wednesday the 20th of December,

0:53:090:53:14

conclusion of continuation of the

committee of the European Union

0:53:140:53:17

Withdrawal Bill day eight. Thursday

the 21st of December, a general

0:53:170:53:24

debate on Russian interference in UK

politics and society, followed by a

0:53:240:53:30

general debate on matters to be

raised before the forthcoming

0:53:300:53:33

adjournment. The subjects of these

debates were determined by the

0:53:330:53:36

Backbench Business Committee. Friday

the 22nd of December, a very Merry

0:53:360:53:42

Christmas to everybody, Madam Deputy

Speaker. I should also like to

0:53:420:53:45

inform the house at the business in

Westminster Hall for December will

0:53:450:53:49

include Monday the 4th of December,

a debate on a petition relating to

0:53:490:53:54

public sector pay. Thursday the 7th

of December, debate on the women and

0:53:540:53:58

equality is committee report on

women in the House of Commons after

0:53:580:54:02

the 2020 election, and the

Government response. Monday the 11th

0:54:020:54:06

of December, debate and petitions

relating to a referendum on the deal

0:54:060:54:11

by the UK's exit from the EU.

Thursday the 14th of December,

0:54:110:54:15

debate and the Home Affairs

Committee report on asylum

0:54:150:54:21

accommodation and Government

response. Followed on the 19th of

0:54:210:54:26

December by a debate on the Northern

Ireland Affairs Committee report on

0:54:260:54:29

HM Government support for UK victims

of IRA attacks that use to get

0:54:290:54:37

Semtex and weapons and the

Government response. Madam Deputy

0:54:370:54:41

Speaker, I am sure the whole house

will want to join me in marking

0:54:410:54:46

world AIDS Day which takes place

tomorrow. Significant. Progress has

0:54:460:54:53

been made in fighting HIV but we

must continue to end stigma and HIV

0:54:530:55:00

transmission and raise awareness

about people living with HIV for

0:55:000:55:03

good. Scotland is much loved across

the whole country...

0:55:030:55:09

Hear, hear.

Both the UK Government and

0:55:090:55:12

Parliament are committed to

championing Scotland and Sunday over

0:55:120:55:14

Scottish interests so can take this

to wish everyone, and especially our

0:55:140:55:18

friends north of the border, a very

happy Saint Andrews Day?

0:55:180:55:24

Hear, hear.

And finally, Madam Deputy Speaker,

0:55:240:55:27

can I add my sincere congratulations

to Prince Harry and Meghan Markle

0:55:270:55:31

and their engagement and wish them

all the very best for the future?

0:55:310:55:35

Thank you.

Shadow Leader of the House.

0:55:350:55:40

Can I thank the Leader of the House

for updating the House on the

0:55:400:55:44

forthcoming business. Can I ask

whether she is able to say whether

0:55:440:55:46

the report stage on the third

reading of the European Union

0:55:460:55:49

Withdrawal Bill, when that will be

coming before the house? And could

0:55:490:55:52

she say whether she is going to

publish the motion on restoration

0:55:520:55:57

and renewal before Christmas? I am

pleased to say the opposition day is

0:55:570:56:01

going to be on the subject of

Universal Credit. And I will thank

0:56:010:56:08

the speakers for granting a debate

on the Yemen as one of the two

0:56:080:56:14

honourable members you have been

born in Yemen, the other one being

0:56:140:56:19

the member for Leicester East, we

have happy memories of that country

0:56:190:56:22

and one of the abiding memories was

of Father Christmas arriving on a

0:56:220:56:29

camel. What the Speaker has done is

to provide a debate, giving the gift

0:56:290:56:33

of life and hope to those people

suffering in Yemen. Can I think the

0:56:330:56:38

Leader of the House for indicating

that the register of ministers'

0:56:380:56:41

interests will be updated shortly

but I am not clear what the word

0:56:410:56:44

shortly means, how long? Because the

ministerial code section 7.5 says a

0:56:440:56:51

statement covering relevant

ministers' interest will be

0:56:510:56:52

published twice a year. It was

honoured in 2016 but we have not

0:56:520:56:57

seen anything yet. Could I ask the

Leader of the House, she mentioned

0:56:570:57:04

the 22nd, wishing everyone a Merry

Christmas, but could she ensure by

0:57:040:57:08

writing to all departments that

there is not a plethora of

0:57:080:57:12

statements published on the 21st

because it is difficult to put our

0:57:120:57:16

constituents LAUGHTER

Used for return question ministers,

0:57:160:57:18

particularly as there isn't urgent

question on forensics services and

0:57:180:57:22

the minister says it is a serious

matter.

0:57:220:57:26

-- it is difficult to put our

constituents' views forward.

0:57:260:57:33

Transparency and accountability are

the watchword of our democracy.

0:57:330:57:36

Perhaps the Leader of the House can

explain why there is no general

0:57:360:57:40

amendment to the war resolution.

There have only been five occasions

0:57:400:57:43

where that has not happened. 1929,

came immediately before a general

0:57:430:57:46

election while the others in 74, 97,

2010 on July 2017, that was

0:57:460:57:55

immediately after a general

election. Erskine May points out it

0:57:550:57:59

is done on occasions and in

particular when it has been

0:57:590:58:02

necessary to proceed rapidly with a

Finance Bill. In anticipation of a

0:58:020:58:06

dissolution of parliament... Could

the Leader of the House update us as

0:58:060:58:10

to whether... What the Government's

thinking was and why there is not a

0:58:100:58:15

chance for the opposition of all

sides to put forward our alternative

0:58:150:58:20

case? Because we have had listening

chances before, as my honourable

0:58:200:58:24

friend the member for Dewsbury found

out when she got an amendment to the

0:58:240:58:26

Finance Bill ensuring that the

tampon tax was put through? -- was

0:58:260:58:32

not put through. This is about

democracy. The Leader of the House

0:58:320:58:40

and I have previously had a debate

about how Parliament is being raped

0:58:400:58:45

and the Government have raped

committees and they have a majority

0:58:450:58:52

when -- how Parliament is being

rigged and the Government have

0:58:520:58:56

rigged committees. And the content

of the house. I know in the streets

0:58:560:59:01

of Northampton and bolts people are

not going around chanting, what do

0:59:010:59:04

we want, sectoral analysis, when do

we want it, now? They are not. They

0:59:040:59:10

have elected as to do that. And we

say that on behalf of of those

0:59:100:59:18

constituents who want to see those

sectoral analyses.

0:59:180:59:22

The motion was very clear and what

it said was that the documents, the

0:59:220:59:28

impact assessments,

the sectoral

announcement of those should be

0:59:280:59:34

handed to the select committee, not

published but to be looked at and a

0:59:340:59:38

private session.

That is done all they can buy select

0:59:380:59:40

committees and that is what we want.

How could they possibly have an

0:59:400:59:44

inquiry about the evidence? --

without the evidence? If Parliament

0:59:440:59:49

is sovereign, the Secretary of State

has to listen to Parliament. Our

0:59:490:59:53

sovereign parliament has instructed

him to give up those papers. Madam

0:59:530:59:55

Deputy Speaker, there are a number

of anniversaries the Leader of the

0:59:551:00:00

House has alluded to, but someday,

as the honourable member for

1:00:001:00:03

Battersea reminded us at PMQs is

disability day. I know the Minister

1:00:031:00:08

is making a statement after this and

hope we will address the fact that

1:00:081:00:11

the governor take the disparity

between mental health and physical

1:00:111:00:14

conditions... A constituent of mine

has been penalised in her PIP

1:00:141:00:20

assessment while her mother is going

to cancer treatment but she may not

1:00:201:00:24

have her PIP because of mental

health conditions. The Leader of the

1:00:241:00:27

House ensure there is parity of

esteem in PIP assessments and help

1:00:271:00:32

the statement will deal how the

Government is dealing with areas in

1:00:321:00:35

the game had yesterday. 75,000

people affected and only 1000 have

1:00:351:00:41

been contacted to do with E S A. The

Chancellor's financial statement did

1:00:411:00:49

not mention disability or people

with disabilities once. People with

1:00:491:00:52

disabilities and their families are

set to lose £5,500 per year by 2022

1:00:521:00:57

because of existing tax and benefit

changes. It was a flat-lining

1:00:571:01:01

Government budget from a flat-lining

Government. Madam Deputy Speaker,

1:01:011:01:07

tomorrow is world AIDS Day. Diana,

Princess of Wales, did so much to

1:01:071:01:13

dispel the myth around AIDS and I

agree with the Leader of the House

1:01:131:01:17

that we want to congratulate her

younger son, Prince Harry, and

1:01:171:01:21

Meghan Markle on their engagement,

and fitting they have chosen

1:01:211:01:23

Nottingham contemporary, a gallery

hosting the Terrence Higgins trust

1:01:231:01:28

world AIDS Day charity fair as their

first public event and we wish them

1:01:281:01:32

a long and happy life together. As

Prince Harry's grandparents have

1:01:321:01:37

celebrated... And we wish Prince

Philip congratulations on his new

1:01:371:01:41

honour, as they celebrate there are

70 years. Finally, Madam Deputy

1:01:411:01:47

Speaker,, it is St Andrews Day and

we wish everyone called Andrew a

1:01:471:01:54

happy Saint Andrews Day, one of the

patron saint of our United Kingdom.

1:01:541:02:02

Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker. As

ever, the honourable lady raises a

1:02:021:02:06

wide range of interesting and

thought-provoking points. I would

1:02:061:02:12

like to first of all say as ever,

the report in the third reading of

1:02:121:02:17

the European Union Withdrawal Bill

and the motions on our and our will

1:02:171:02:22

be brought forward as soon as

possible and she will appreciate it

1:02:221:02:25

is not always possible to get such

our advanced... And last week she

1:02:251:02:29

welcomed me announcing the business

up until Christmas and I will always

1:02:291:02:32

say I will be as hopeful as possible

to the House, including providing

1:02:321:02:36

future information on the a

different part of the business. She

1:02:361:02:42

mentions the opposition Day subject

of Universal Credit. On the side of

1:02:421:02:45

the house, we welcome all views. We

have had a number of debates on this

1:02:451:02:50

subject in recent weeks and my right

honourable friend was pleased to

1:02:501:02:53

come to the house to address the

motion that was passed by this house

1:02:531:02:57

on Universal Credit, as I had

pledged would be the case, whenever

1:02:571:03:00

a motion was passed by this house.

He did fulfil that plate with an 12

1:03:001:03:05

week time frame and I hope that

honourable members did note that and

1:03:051:03:09

I look forward to this further

debate. I share with her and

1:03:091:03:16

enthusiasm for discussing the plight

of those living in Yemen after such

1:03:161:03:20

terrible, terrible times. I think we

look forward to the emergency debate

1:03:201:03:23

later on today. I will say to her

again, the register of ministers'

1:03:231:03:31

interests, it will be provided as

soon as possible. I can't be

1:03:311:03:33

specific but there is a lot of work

to begin to compile and finalise the

1:03:331:03:36

report and it will be provided soon

as we can. She asks that statements

1:03:361:03:42

be avoided, written ministerial

statements be avoided on the 21st of

1:03:421:03:45

December. I would say to her that

obviously members of the Government

1:03:451:03:50

can come under criticism for

publishing things, anything outside

1:03:501:03:54

of sitting days, but now, of course,

she wants to criticise the

1:03:541:03:58

Government for publishing things and

sitting days. I don't think we can

1:03:581:04:01

really except that sitting days

should be ring fenced simply because

1:04:011:04:05

they are drawing near to the end of

a period of sitting... So I think

1:04:051:04:11

she will need to bear in mind that

ministers make great efforts to

1:04:111:04:16

ensure that they make announcements

whilst the house is sitting on

1:04:161:04:19

giving us the opportunity to look at

that. She asks about the specific

1:04:191:04:25

point on the opposition's ability to

perform an alternative case by the

1:04:251:04:29

Finance Bill. If I may, I will write

to her on that point and I am

1:04:291:04:33

looking into that at the moment. She

suggests that there aren't any

1:04:331:04:38

people in her constituency of mine

who are walking about demanding

1:04:381:04:43

impact assessments. I think she

underestimates the people of

1:04:431:04:47

Northamptonshire and indeed

Oxfordshire. My honourable friend

1:04:471:04:51

and my PBS and I are very clear that

our constituents are interested, and

1:04:511:04:59

indeed it is the case that the

Secretary of State for exiting the

1:04:591:05:03

EU and his ministerial team have

been clear... The analysis was not a

1:05:031:05:07

series of impact assessments

examining the impact of EU exit on

1:05:071:05:10

the 58 sectors. In fact, in order to

meet the motion of the 1st of

1:05:101:05:14

November, we have taken a lot of

time to bring together the sectoral

1:05:141:05:19

analyses in a way that is accessible

and informative to the committee.

1:05:191:05:23

These analyses are being made

available to all members of the

1:05:231:05:26

House of Commons, and the House of

Lords, in a private reading room,

1:05:261:05:30

and the Secretary of State for

exiting the EU will be meeting the

1:05:301:05:34

select committee next Wednesday the

6th of December. Finally, she raises

1:05:341:05:38

the important issue of parity of

esteem for mental and physical

1:05:381:05:44

disability. I absolutely share her

determination that we should achieve

1:05:441:05:46

that. That is the goal and intention

of this Government, and I am sure

1:05:461:05:51

she will welcome, as I do, the fact

that its 2010, spending on

1:05:511:05:55

disability has increased by £7

billion. And what this Government is

1:05:551:05:59

determined to do is to enable people

with disabilities to have more

1:05:591:06:03

control over their lives and to

enable them to seek work that suits

1:06:031:06:09

their capabilities, to give them the

chance to improve their own lives as

1:06:091:06:12

far as is possible. Thank you, Madam

Deputy Speaker.

1:06:121:06:16

Order. The colleagues will have

heard the speech from these bigger

1:06:161:06:21

about the pressure on time today. --

what the Speaker said. He indicated

1:06:211:06:27

to me that he would like the

emergency debate on Yemen to start

1:06:271:06:30

no later than one o'clock. In which

case, I am going to run business

1:06:301:06:39

questions until 12:15pm but there is

then another statement, so

1:06:391:06:43

colleagues who might prefer to

intervene at a later statement could

1:06:431:06:48

perhaps bear that in mind. David

Amis.

My right honourable friend

1:06:481:06:55

fine temper a debate on boosting

trade between China the kingdom?

1:06:551:07:01

Only yesterday, the largest digital

marketing agency in China was

1:07:011:07:05

launched at the shard and I am

delighted that they launched it with

1:07:051:07:09

a British MD, Richard habits.

1:07:091:07:17

Having seen the opportunity from

China for our food and drink

1:07:181:07:21

business, I agree. On his specific

point regarding digital marketing,

1:07:211:07:24

there are a number of support

agencies that specialise in helping

1:07:241:07:28

UK firms to export to and invest in

China. These businesses demonstrate

1:07:281:07:32

that exporting to China is within

reach for larger companies, and we

1:07:321:07:38

welcome the decision for high link

to open an office in London.

Could I

1:07:381:07:44

think the Leader of the House for

the business for next week. Can I

1:07:441:07:50

also wish everyone a happy St

Andrew's Day. The SNP now join an

1:07:501:08:00

exclusive club with all the

opposition parties in which this

1:08:001:08:03

Government won't vote against thanks

to the Tory vote refuses, we now

1:08:031:08:09

have the unanimous agreement of the

south to tackle injustice. We were

1:08:091:08:15

wondering what type of motion might

tempt the Tory voters... Given the

1:08:151:08:23

childish nature of the failure to

participate in the democratic

1:08:231:08:26

structures of the House, maybe a

motion that this Government smells

1:08:261:08:32

might try and preserve the dignity.

This is not going to end well for

1:08:321:08:37

this Government. And I know that Mr

Speaker is considering my

1:08:371:08:44

correspondence that this may be in

contempt of this House to fully

1:08:441:08:48

comply with an earlier binding

motion of this House. I know Mr

1:08:481:08:51

Speaker has been typically generous

with this Government that patients

1:08:511:08:56

must be running thin. It is either

compliance or contempt and we must

1:08:561:09:00

return this House to the position

where this Government votes. This is

1:09:001:09:07

a national, sovereign parliament, it

is not a sixth form debating

1:09:071:09:09

society. Lastly, the latest piece of

Brexit chaotic cluelessness comes in

1:09:091:09:20

a... The total of the UK must now

come close to hundreds of billions

1:09:201:09:31

of pounds, that is why we must see

these wrecks that impact

1:09:311:09:35

assessments. We need a proper debate

about the true cost of Brexit and we

1:09:351:09:39

need to hear if there is any pace

that will make this Government think

1:09:391:09:42

again.

I am grateful to the

honourable gentleman for his feisty

1:09:421:09:49

remarks and I must say to him that I

was going to invite him for some

1:09:491:09:54

haggis, neeps and tatties in the

members tearoom after this in the

1:09:541:09:58

business question, but I might think

again if he feels this Government

1:09:581:10:03

smells. I am not sure that is even

orderly language! But nevertheless,

1:10:031:10:07

I'm willing to overlook it. He

mentions these Pacific issue of

1:10:071:10:12

pension age for women and of course

he will be aware that this is being

1:10:121:10:15

raised on a number of occasions. The

Conservatives in Government had

1:10:151:10:19

committed over £1 billion to support

those affected so that nobody will

1:10:191:10:24

see their pension age changed by

more than 18 months compared to the

1:10:241:10:28

1995 timetable. He will recognise

that the great news that we are all

1:10:281:10:32

living longer does mean that

therefore the age at which people

1:10:321:10:37

reach their state retirement and

therefore draw their state pension

1:10:371:10:39

does need to change with it. We are

trying to seek fairness across men

1:10:391:10:44

and women in that regard. He asks

about voting and as I made very

1:10:441:10:48

clear in my statement previously,

that we recognise that any motion

1:10:481:10:56

that is voted on by the House is

binding on the House, and opposition

1:10:561:11:01

Day motions that are voted on and

approved are binding on the House.

1:11:011:11:07

However, as Mr Speaker has made

clear, they are not binding on the

1:11:071:11:11

Government. And what I have agreed

in recognition in desire of the

1:11:111:11:15

House quite rightly, to see what

actions are taken as a result of

1:11:151:11:19

motion is approved by this House, is

that a statement will be provided in

1:11:191:11:24

respect of any opposition motion

that is passed by the House, with

1:11:241:11:27

the minister explaining exactly what

actions have been taken as a result.

1:11:271:11:33

My right honourable friend the

Secretary of State for the WP, came

1:11:331:11:36

before this House to provide such an

update only this week and there will

1:11:361:11:39

be further statement in the near

future. His final statement about

1:11:391:11:43

the cost of leaving the EU is one,

as he will know, not one at all that

1:11:431:11:47

the Government has said is the case.

It is simply something that is part

1:11:471:11:52

of the negotiations. The Government

is committed to seeking the best

1:11:521:11:56

possible deal for the United Kingdom

as we leave the EU. The negotiations

1:11:561:12:02

are in a positive face. We hope to

see some good, constructive results

1:12:021:12:06

from the December Council and we all

await those negotiations with

1:12:061:12:09

enormous interest.

Can we have a

debate on the importance and value

1:12:091:12:20

of further education skills,

especially following the disgraceful

1:12:201:12:22

attack yet again by the formal

inspector of schools who told

1:12:221:12:28

colleges to get off their backsides.

This is entirely wrong, 70% of our

1:12:281:12:34

education colleges are good or

outstanding and he previously

1:12:341:12:37

said... It is worth remembering that

Cinderella not only married a prince

1:12:371:12:41

but we got to banish the two ugly

sisters of snobbery and intolerance.

1:12:411:12:49

My honourable friend is a fantastic

champion for young people getting on

1:12:491:12:53

in life and I absolutely share his

enthusiasm for the contribution of

1:12:531:12:57

so many excellent colleges. Towards

giving young people the

1:12:571:13:01

opportunities they need and deserve.

Thank you to the Leader of the House

1:13:011:13:09

for the business statement. Could I

discreetly point out to the

1:13:091:13:12

honourable member that having a loan

is contravention of the clean air

1:13:121:13:19

act. This afternoon, we have two

important debates scheduled by the

1:13:191:13:27

backbench business committee. The

treatment of S M Es by our global

1:13:271:13:32

restructuring group and mental

health and suicide within a

1:13:321:13:37

community. Due to exceptional

circumstances far beyond the

1:13:371:13:40

backbench of these two important

debates this afternoon will be

1:13:401:13:46

severely restricted by time. Both

debates will have fewer on-site

1:13:461:13:51

public support with constituents

visiting this place to witness their

1:13:511:13:54

very real concern is being debated.

Could we now look at a potential

1:13:541:13:58

revision of standing orders to

enable some measure to protect time

1:13:581:14:02

for such debates for the backbench

business committee in the future?

1:14:021:14:08

Our constituents and the

constituents of all backbenchers

1:14:081:14:10

deserve that at least.

I think the

honourable gentleman raises a very

1:14:101:14:16

important point. I think we're all

disappointed to see the constraints

1:14:161:14:21

that have arisen through no

individual fault, but just as a

1:14:211:14:25

result of circumstances to the two

important debates he mentions. I

1:14:251:14:29

will certainly take that away and

look at it.

This is an issue where

1:14:291:14:35

the Government to make a statement

on how they are going to involve

1:14:351:14:38

leaseholders in the discussions on

building high-rise buildings with

1:14:381:14:42

cladding. They are having meetings

with the managing agents and others,

1:14:421:14:46

but leaseholders who may be isolated

not been brought in, not been

1:14:461:14:50

brought together, and would it be

possible for the Leader of the House

1:14:501:14:53

to consider asking that department

if they can announce before next

1:14:531:14:58

Tuesday how they will get the

leaseholders involved and how they

1:14:581:15:00

can talk to each other to have a

united front and share information?

1:15:001:15:06

My honourable friend is raising

something that is very important to

1:15:061:15:09

all of us. But we ensure the safety

of those who live in high-rise

1:15:091:15:14

buildings. If he wants to write to

make or talk to me after business

1:15:141:15:17

questions, I will certainly see to

help if I can raise this matter with

1:15:171:15:23

the Department.

Maher as the Leader

of the House if we can have an

1:15:231:15:28

urgent debate into fracking planning

applications. In my constituency the

1:15:281:15:34

multinational petrochemical company

has applied to the DC LG secretary

1:15:341:15:38

to avoid local democracy by taking

planning decisions out of the local

1:15:381:15:43

council hands and giving to the

national planning Inspectorate. I

1:15:431:15:46

like to ask the secretary how does

it fit with the Tory manifesto on

1:15:461:15:51

the promise to maintain public

confidence in the shale industry and

1:15:511:15:55

uphold rigorous environment

protection?

The honourable gentleman

1:15:551:15:59

might wish to raise that specific

question at DC LG questions on the

1:15:591:16:04

4th of December, as he will know

however, the subject of shale gas

1:16:041:16:09

exploration is one that has received

a huge amount of attention in this

1:16:091:16:14

place. The regulations are very

strong, and it is right that the UK

1:16:141:16:18

economy takes the opportunity to

benefit from that transition from

1:16:181:16:25

high carbon emitting coal, through

gas, which is lower carbon emitting

1:16:251:16:29

to our renewables future that we all

want to see.

Can we have a debate on

1:16:291:16:36

a weed called floating Penny Watt,

it is a strong contender for the

1:16:361:16:43

worst aquatic weed in the UK and it

is affecting large stretches of the

1:16:431:16:47

Thames and a debate would sort out

how we can deal with that.

I agree

1:16:471:16:51

with my honourable friend that this

week is a highly invasive non-native

1:16:511:16:56

species of causes a significant

environmental impact. The

1:16:561:16:59

Environment Agency has removed

thousands of tonnes of this plant in

1:16:591:17:05

part of a coordinated removal and

spraying to hold its growth. My

1:17:051:17:08

friend will be leased to know that

efforts have been redoubled to

1:17:081:17:13

remove this weed from the Thames and

distributors throughout October and

1:17:131:17:17

November and is putting a sprain,

removal and monitoring programme in

1:17:171:17:21

place from Spring 2010.

-- 2018.

This Saturday I will be taking part

1:17:211:17:31

as small business Saturday visiting

businesses on high Street, Christmas

1:17:311:17:36

markets and finishing with a chink

in Lewisham. Can we have a debate on

1:17:361:17:43

what support the -- drink. ... Two

surviving crew?

You are absolutely

1:17:431:17:50

right to highlight your own small

businesses in the value to the

1:17:501:17:53

economy. This Government not misread

supports businesses and the

1:17:531:17:59

contribution they make across the

UK. I'm sure many members will be

1:17:591:18:02

doing similar to the honourable lady

and visiting around more businesses

1:18:021:18:06

and I encourage them to do so.

Yesterday saw the long-awaited

1:18:061:18:13

publication by the Labour Mayor of

London of the draft London plan.

1:18:131:18:17

This could lead to the end of back

gardens in suburbia, the abolition

1:18:171:18:20

of car parking spaces in all new

developments, and at the same time

1:18:201:18:25

not a single new affordable homes is

built under his watch. This will

1:18:251:18:30

affect all Londoners. Can we have a

debate in Government time on the

1:18:301:18:33

drastic impact that this will have

across London?

My honourable friend

1:18:331:18:39

is absolutely right to hold the

Labour Mayor of London to account in

1:18:391:18:43

the way that he does. And to point

out that we do need thriving

1:18:431:18:50

economies. London absolutely needs

much more housing and affordable

1:18:501:18:56

housing and greater infrastructure

and unfortunately the men are all

1:18:561:18:59

too often criticises central

Government for his own failings.

Can

1:18:591:19:06

I say to the Leader of the House,

there was absolute astonishment from

1:19:061:19:11

MPs across this House and the fact

that the Chancellor in his budget

1:19:111:19:14

made no mention of defence and given

the crisis that defence is facing in

1:19:141:19:19

this country over the current time,

can I ask the leader to us the

1:19:191:19:24

Chancellor to come to this House and

explained how we're going to stop

1:19:241:19:28

cuts to our numbers of shoulders,

cutting the number of aircraft,

1:19:281:19:31

customer number of marines in order

to defend our country properly --

1:19:311:19:36

soldiers.

What I would say to the

honourable gentleman first and

1:19:361:19:43

foremost, this Government supports

all of our Armed Forces in our

1:19:431:19:46

defence sector to an anonymous

extent. We have committed --

1:19:461:19:52

enormous. 2% of our GDP every year

until 2022. We planned to spend £178

1:19:521:20:01

billion on air equipment time

between 2016-26. And by 2025 we will

1:20:011:20:07

have a highly capable expeditionary

force of around 50,000, up from

1:20:071:20:11

30,000. What is important however,

is that we do look at the way in

1:20:111:20:16

which our defence needs are

changing. And that review is

1:20:161:20:21

absolutely vital to the future

security needs of this country.

1:20:211:20:28

Earlier this week we had an

excellent statement from the

1:20:281:20:33

Business Secretary introducing the

industrial strategy and many strands

1:20:331:20:37

of that strategy will be of

particular benefit to constituents

1:20:371:20:40

such as mine. Does the Government

have any plans to debate in

1:20:401:20:46

Government time to debate the

various aspects of the strategy

1:20:461:20:50

particularly the teacher development

which would be of great value in my

1:20:501:20:54

area?

My honourable friend is a

great champion for his constituency,

1:20:541:21:00

and I agree with him that we should

all welcome the industrial strategy

1:21:001:21:04

setting out how we are building a

Britain fits the future. How we will

1:21:041:21:08

help businesses create better higher

paying jobs with investment from the

1:21:081:21:12

skills, industries and

infrastructure that will make

1:21:121:21:16

written an enormous success in the

years to come.

Only 10% of children

1:21:161:21:23

on free school meals in Barnsley

gone to university. Can we have a

1:21:231:21:27

debate in Government time about

social mobility in Britain as our

1:21:271:21:30

future economic success depends on

all children being able to succeed.

1:21:301:21:38

The honourable lady is absolutely

right that children are the future

1:21:381:21:41

and we need to do everything we can

to support them to make their lives

1:21:411:21:47

better than the generation before

that is our aspiration. I'm sure she

1:21:471:21:51

would welcome, as we all do, but

there are 1.8 million more children

1:21:511:22:00

in schools... There are or than 3.4

million apprenticeships for young

1:22:001:22:04

people since 2010. It is absolutely

vital that we do everything we can

1:22:041:22:08

do is what their future as we move

into this enormous industrial change

1:22:081:22:12

that gives us the opportunity to

build the industries of the future.

1:22:121:22:19

I don't know of the leader of the

House has seen the migration figures

1:22:191:22:23

today but they are one third lower

net migration than last year, one

1:22:231:22:29

third from before the EU referendum.

Could we have a debate in Government

1:22:291:22:34

time on immigration, so that we can

talk about the Government's progress

1:22:341:22:38

to tens of thousands, and the fact

that we will be able to reach that

1:22:381:22:41

target when they come out from the

EU and end free movement?

1:22:411:22:47

My honourable friend is right to

raise the importance of immigration

1:22:471:22:51

in this country, both on the one

hand the enormous contribution made

1:22:511:22:55

by those who have come here to live

and make their lives here, but also

1:22:551:22:59

on the other hand the pressure that

high and uncontrolled immigration

1:22:591:23:04

has wrought on some of our public

services. I encourage my honourable

1:23:041:23:10

friend to seek a debate in a

Westminster Hall debate so that we

1:23:101:23:14

can discuss the relative merits of

uncontrolled versus controlled

1:23:141:23:18

migration.

Less than 48 hours ago, the camera

1:23:181:23:25

and Hardy company went into

administration, meaning hundreds of

1:23:251:23:28

job losses in their constituency

weeks before Christmas. Like a

1:23:281:23:34

Dickens novel, workers and when they

arrived for their shift and found

1:23:341:23:36

the gates were closed. Despite this,

administrators, PwC, have not

1:23:361:23:42

responded to multiple attempts to

contact them. Will she asked the

1:23:421:23:46

Business Secretary to intervene to

support me and the union to try to

1:23:461:23:51

find out what is going on and what

can be done to help my constituents?

1:23:511:23:55

I am very sorry to hear about this

and if he would like to write to me

1:23:551:23:59

I would be happy to take this up

with the big areas Business

1:23:591:24:07

Secretary.

I recently had the honour of

1:24:071:24:10

becoming a patron of a hospice, a

charitably funded hospice that

1:24:101:24:14

provides valuable services to my

constituents and produces pressure

1:24:141:24:19

on the -- reduces pressure on the

NHS. They have been aware of funding

1:24:191:24:23

charges, so can we haven't urgent

debate on the options available for

1:24:231:24:27

hospices to make it easier to

provide NHS funding?

1:24:271:24:34

Congratulations on his new role.

Hospices around the country

1:24:341:24:38

including Cynthia Spencer and

Catherine house, who served my own

1:24:381:24:41

constituents so well, deliver

excellent care and contribute to the

1:24:411:24:47

well-being of local communities.

Millions of families benefit from

1:24:471:24:49

them and I am sure I can speak for

all members when I say how grateful

1:24:491:24:53

we are to them. NHS England has

developed a new payment system for

1:24:531:24:57

end of life care, which is designed

to be more fair and transparent, and

1:24:571:25:02

this will further improve care for

patients.

1:25:021:25:07

Gosh, I was not expecting people to

see me. Can we have a debate in

1:25:071:25:14

Government time on the postcode

lottery in a cell appears? 28% were

1:25:141:25:18

successful in Glasgow compared to

47% in one area in London?

1:25:181:25:24

Constituents deserve a free hearing

when they go to asylum tribunal.

1:25:241:25:30

I agree with the honourable lady

that all asylum appeals should be

1:25:301:25:32

treated with equal importance and

respect. I think if she wanted to

1:25:321:25:39

seek an adjournment debate on the

concerns she has in her own

1:25:391:25:42

constituency, then that would be

seen very favourably by the Speaker.

1:25:421:25:49

Further to the person in question,

my honourable friend for Cleethorpes

1:25:491:25:53

as he leaves the chamber, well my

right honourable friend the Leader

1:25:531:25:57

of the House grant time for the

importance of improved productivity

1:25:571:26:02

for the growth of the economy in the

UK?

1:26:021:26:07

I know my honourable friend is a

former teacher himself and a huge

1:26:071:26:11

advocate of developing the skills of

young people, and I share his

1:26:111:26:16

enthusiasm for our new industrial

strategy that sets out how we will

1:26:161:26:19

build a Britain that for the future,

and ready to take advantage of the

1:26:191:26:23

extraordinary advances in technology

that can really transform lives for

1:26:231:26:26

the better.

Madam Deputy Speaker, the Leader of

1:26:261:26:33

the House might remember my first

question back in June to her was

1:26:331:26:37

about gun crime and police cuts

after there had been ten such

1:26:371:26:41

incidents in my constituency that

month and it has not gone unnoticed.

1:26:411:26:44

There was no mention of police cuts

continuing in the budget last week.

1:26:441:26:49

More and more of my constituents are

raising fears of crime as one of the

1:26:491:26:55

plates on their lives and Merseyside

Police are stretched to the limit,

1:26:551:27:01

having lost 1000 police officers and

£100,000 per year are from budget.

1:27:011:27:05

The situation is unsustainable and

we need a debate in Government time

1:27:051:27:09

and police cuts and the effects of

crime in constituencies.

1:27:091:27:14

The honourable gentleman raises a

serious issue and of course we know

1:27:141:27:17

that the fear of crime is very wide

spread around the country. However I

1:27:171:27:22

am sure he will be pleased to know

that crime is traditionally measured

1:27:221:27:26

by an independent crime survey for

England and Wales, and it has fallen

1:27:261:27:32

by 9% over the last year, a

continuation of the overall downward

1:27:321:27:34

trend. These are not be reassured to

know that we are protecting police

1:27:341:27:40

budgets in real terms, and the

proportion of officers in front-line

1:27:401:27:45

roles has increased from 2010 2/90

3% now. Are of course individual

1:27:451:27:51

issues in particular policing

areas... The officers in front-line

1:27:511:27:56

roles has increased from 2010 up to

93% now.

1:27:561:28:02

I am sure that like me the Leader of

the House has been inundated with

1:28:021:28:06

e-mails regarding animal sentience,

and many constituents have contacted

1:28:061:28:10

me bowling any milk from a lobbying

company, and e-mail -- an e-mail

1:28:101:28:18

that sadly contained mistruths about

a vote in my house. I requested a

1:28:181:28:22

correction but that the leader of

the hazard advised me on how I and

1:28:221:28:25

other members of this Parliament can

combat fake news and misinformation

1:28:251:28:29

when it is passed on to our

constituents directly from such

1:28:291:28:31

sources?

My honourable friend is corrected to

1:28:311:28:38

raise this issue. Matters of concern

to the public must always be raised

1:28:381:28:42

with us, but groups such as 38

Degrees should not whether

1:28:421:28:51

inadvertently or maliciously spread

information that is not true, and

1:28:511:28:53

when something is proving to be

untrue, as in this case, it should

1:28:531:28:56

be immediately withdrawn or

corrected. We are very aware of the

1:28:561:29:00

concerns around fake news and as

part of our manifesto commitment,

1:29:001:29:04

work is underway through the Digital

charter to make sure high-quality

1:29:041:29:08

news online has a sustainable

future, and that we have a news

1:29:081:29:11

environment that is accurate.

The Leader of the House will be

1:29:111:29:20

aware that over the last weeks I

have made speeches about the impact

1:29:201:29:22

I faced with bullying in school.

Since is because I had been

1:29:221:29:26

inundated by adults and children

currently in school saying they are

1:29:261:29:30

under constant attack through cyber

bullying. Could Government time be

1:29:301:29:34

done for a debate on the impact of

Facebook and Twitter and Instagram

1:29:341:29:38

on bullying and the impact it has on

young people's lives and well-being?

1:29:381:29:45

Hear, hear.

The gentleman is right to raise this

1:29:451:29:49

point. Bullying and cyber bullying

in particular article real scourge

1:29:491:29:52

of the moderate lives in particular

for young people. -- any modern life

1:29:521:29:57

of young people. I would urgently

seeking Westminster debate on this

1:29:571:30:01

and you might be aware that a select

committee investigation will be

1:30:011:30:04

looking at this issue and he might

want to respond to that.

1:30:041:30:09

Thank you, Madam Deputy Speaker. A

great number of companies around the

1:30:091:30:12

UK are seeing the value of

installing energy efficiency

1:30:121:30:16

measures and clean technology in

their premises. Can the Leader of

1:30:161:30:20

the House use their influence with

regard to the refurbishment of this

1:30:201:30:22

place to ensure we set the highest

standards for energy efficiency and

1:30:221:30:26

the deployment of clean technology

so we can lead by example and reduce

1:30:261:30:29

costs and show the very best of

reddish clean technologies for

1:30:291:30:35

export around the world?

I absolutely share my friend's

1:30:351:30:42

enthusiasm for clean technology and

reducing our carbon footprint, and I

1:30:421:30:44

look to the honourable lady, who I

am sure will share in that

1:30:441:30:47

enthusiasm, and I can insure my

honourable friend -- I can assure

1:30:471:30:53

him we will look at it through this

process as we seek to restore this

1:30:531:30:57

beautiful palace, to take the

opportunities to reduce its carbon

1:30:571:31:00

footprint.

Can we have a debate on the state,

1:31:001:31:07

or the Leader of the House having

worked with the secretary regarding

1:31:071:31:14

the pensions, and why has the HSBC

Midland bank in the pension

1:31:141:31:24

scheme... Club that reduces the

bank's pension conservation when

1:31:241:31:28

basic state pension becomes

available. This means many staff are

1:31:281:31:31

denied the opportunity to make

additional financial plans for their

1:31:311:31:35

retirement. Other banks have not

applied or have since withdrawn this

1:31:351:31:38

scheme and will she do all she can

to help us with this claw-back HSBC

1:31:381:31:43

issue?

This matter was raised before in

1:31:431:31:48

this this question and I had a

couple of constituents contact me. I

1:31:481:31:52

think this is our concern and it

does need to be looked into and I do

1:31:521:31:56

encourage the honourable gentleman

to seek an adjournment debate.

1:31:561:31:59

Stephen Kerr.

Can I thank the Leader of the House

1:31:591:32:05

Mac for her sake and restate

greeting and I wonder whether her

1:32:051:32:09

offer of haggis, tatties and needs a

place to her Scottish Conservative

1:32:091:32:13

colleagues? The gulf between the tax

paid by Scott and the tax paid by

1:32:131:32:17

people in the rest of the UK looks

set to widen further when the

1:32:171:32:20

Scottish Government and elder budget

plans on the 14th of December. Will

1:32:201:32:24

my right honourable friend find time

for a debate on the hugely damaging

1:32:241:32:29

consequences of such a tax hike for

Scotland? After last week's budget,

1:32:291:32:34

the Scottish Government will lose £2

billion of the next year so the

1:32:341:32:39

Scottish Government must explain why

they think raising income taxes

1:32:391:32:41

justified.

That is some new is right there.

1:32:411:32:49

Can I say to my honourable friend I

am delighted to meet him and other

1:32:491:32:53

honourable friend the Scottish

Members of Parliament... --

that is

1:32:531:32:57

fake news.

Income tax powers were an important

1:32:571:33:02

part of the Smith commission

recommendations and we had evolved

1:33:021:33:07

to the Scotland at the Scottish

Government chooses to use them is a

1:33:071:33:10

decision for them but I agree with

my honourable friend that I don't

1:33:101:33:13

see either how making Scotland the

highest highest taxed part of the UK

1:33:131:33:17

can be the right thing to do. I

cannot see why the SNP would choose

1:33:171:33:22

to drive growth and talent away.

Let's be clear, income tax is not

1:33:221:33:27

the Government's money, it is money

earned by the people of this

1:33:271:33:29

country. That is why the

Conservatives in Westminster and in

1:33:291:33:35

Holyrood will always stand up for

low taxes.

1:33:351:33:41

Speaker...

Fake news.

1:33:411:33:43

Will the Leader of the House please

give me an approximate time to wait

1:33:431:33:48

for a response from the Prime

Minister about something 111 MPs

1:33:481:33:54

have signed regarding international

students in the UK and the important

1:33:541:33:57

economic contribution they make,

particularly in our regions come in

1:33:571:34:03

regard to the industrial strategy...

How long should one wait for a

1:34:031:34:05

response to that kind of a letter

and she believe that is the sort of

1:34:051:34:08

thing to apply for a debate on,

giving it is a cross-party support?

1:34:081:34:15

Most certainly, if it carries

cross-party support as she suggests,

1:34:151:34:19

it is a candidate for Westminster

Hall or backbench business debates.

1:34:191:34:22

With regard to the question about

the time it takes for the Prime

1:34:221:34:26

Minister to respond, if you would

like to take it up with me by

1:34:261:34:29

e-mail, then I can borrow at her

request to the Prime Minister.

1:34:291:34:35

Rachel McLean.

May I add my voice to another matter

1:34:351:34:38

which also commands cross-party

support which is on the importance

1:34:381:34:40

of small businesses and small

business Saturday? I will be

1:34:401:34:45

visiting businesses in Redditch and

we had a number of successful ones

1:34:451:34:50

including a carpentry business and

another place which has the best

1:34:501:34:54

fish and chips. Can she find time

for a debate, Government time, about

1:34:541:34:58

the importance of keeping taxes low

and small businesses?

1:34:581:35:03

My honourable friend is a great

advocate for her constituency

1:35:031:35:06

Redditch in having all this talk of

food is making all hungry. Small

1:35:061:35:11

business Saturday is a grassroots

non-commercial campaign that I liked

1:35:111:35:17

small business successes, and

encourages consumers to shop local

1:35:171:35:20

and support small businesses. This

is something right across this house

1:35:201:35:23

we all seek to do.

Can I actually congratulate the

1:35:231:35:31

Government on something it has done

this week, and the Scottish

1:35:311:35:34

Government, just to make that clear?

That is the change in the nation of

1:35:341:35:40

blood for gay and bisexual men, it

has come down from 12 months to

1:35:401:35:44

three months. That means that

thousands more gay men can give

1:35:441:35:48

blood and could previously. But can

we have a statement on this, because

1:35:481:35:51

despite this excellent news, it

doesn't seem to have caught the

1:35:511:35:54

attention of the media this week,

and I think we need to discuss how

1:35:541:35:58

we can make that news much more wide

than it is, to encourage people to

1:35:581:36:02

donate blood.

The honourable gentleman has just

1:36:021:36:05

make sure that this will receive

some media attention, and I

1:36:051:36:08

congratulate him for doing so. He

raises a valuable and important

1:36:081:36:13

contribution to the blood stocks of

this country and I sure there will

1:36:131:36:16

be many who were previously unaware

that be connected -- delighted by

1:36:161:36:22

the news.

Can I also wish you and the whole

1:36:221:36:25

House a happy Saint Andrews Day? And

we have a debate about the excellent

1:36:251:36:28

decision by the UK Government to

bypass the failing SNP Scottish

1:36:281:36:33

Government for the next roll-out of

broadband? Does my right honourable

1:36:331:36:38

friend also share my amusement at

the reaction from Scotland's First

1:36:381:36:42

Minister, who has suggested that on

this issue Scottish Conservative MPs

1:36:421:36:45

have been misleading, and has even

said that this has been done by the

1:36:451:36:51

Scottish media? Does my right

honourable friend agree that Nicola

1:36:511:36:54

Sturgeon should stop burying her

head about this issue and actually

1:36:541:36:56

start burying some corrections to my

constituents and many across

1:36:561:37:01

Scotland about the broadband feeds

they deserve?

1:37:011:37:10

My honourable friend's priorities

are always on the right place.

I can

1:37:101:37:14

tell him that in September 2016 we

announced wave one of the programme

1:37:141:37:20

in the six locations across the UK

including Aberdeenshire. In parallel

1:37:201:37:26

to this announcement we have written

to local councils seeking

1:37:261:37:31

expressions of interest and roll

over 130 responses. My honourable

1:37:311:37:34

friend is absolutely right, this is

intended to provide better and

1:37:341:37:40

faster broadband roll-out for all

the people of Scotland.

When the

1:37:401:37:45

science Museum said that Hull could

not have made Johnson's playing for

1:37:451:37:55

the city of culture this year and a

local artist worked with Hull a

1:37:551:38:00

replica which is now in paragon

station so can we now have a

1:38:001:38:04

statement from the Ministry of

Justice, why they have decided that

1:38:041:38:08

that plane which means so much to

the city will be moved down the road

1:38:081:38:12

to your without asking the artist or

key players and Hull about its

1:38:121:38:17

future.

Can I first congratulate

Hull for the excellent work they

1:38:171:38:25

have done as the current city of

culture, for the amazing

1:38:251:38:31

achievement. I understand the local

economy has benefited from over £3

1:38:311:38:37

billion of investment in their role

as the current city of culture. I do

1:38:371:38:41

suggest my honourable friend looks

at a Westminster Hall debate to

1:38:411:38:46

raise this particular point is what

she wants to discuss with the

1:38:461:38:50

minister.

We must now move on.

Statement, Secretary of State.

Thank

1:38:501:39:00

you. With your permission I'd like

to make a statement on the paper

1:39:001:39:04

being published today by my

department and the Department of

1:39:041:39:09

Health. Good work promotes good

health and enables people to be

1:39:091:39:16

economically independent and gives

them more opportunities to fulfil

1:39:161:39:19

ambitions in life. A country which

works for everyone needs to ensure

1:39:191:39:25

that all who can work under take

meaningful activity has the chance

1:39:251:39:28

to do so and that the right

supporters in place to allow all to

1:39:281:39:31

live and work throughout their

lives. Our labour market is at its

1:39:311:39:35

strongest position for years with

their employment rate at a near

1:39:351:39:40

historic high of 75% is and around

600,000 more disabled people in work

1:39:401:39:47

than four years ago. Despite that

only around half of disabled people

1:39:471:39:52

live and work but many people with

health conditions can and want to

1:39:521:39:57

work. This means too many people are

missing the opportunity to develop

1:39:571:39:59

their talents and connect with the

world of work and the range of

1:39:591:40:04

positive impacts that come from

doing so, including good health and

1:40:041:40:09

social outcomes, which is why it is

so important that we act now. With

1:40:091:40:14

around one in six working age adults

reporting a disability is clear that

1:40:141:40:19

these issues affect the working

lives of millions. The majority of

1:40:191:40:22

long-term health conditions are

acquired and in an ageing work place

1:40:221:40:31

inclusive workplaces are imperative.

This is as much about preventing

1:40:311:40:39

people from falling out of work as

it is about support into work. This

1:40:391:40:46

requires a comprehensive and

wide-ranging programme of action.

1:40:461:40:49

Last year we published improving

lives, the work place health Green

1:40:491:40:57

paper, setting a new approach to

this issue marking the start of a

1:40:571:41:01

new era in joint working between the

welfare and health systems. Our 15

1:41:011:41:07

week consultation on the next ten

years of reform sought input from

1:41:071:41:11

disabled people and those with

health conditions, their families,

1:41:111:41:15

employers and the range of

stakeholders. The consultation was

1:41:151:41:20

supported by 166 successful events

and received 6000 responses. Today

1:41:201:41:26

we are publishing improving lives,

the future of work health and

1:41:261:41:30

disability setting at a responses to

the Green paper consultation and the

1:41:301:41:34

next steps we will take to deliver

our vision. Changes in the nature of

1:41:341:41:40

work and more flexible working

models benefit a wide range of

1:41:401:41:43

people. New advances in technology

offer more opportunities than ever

1:41:431:41:51

before, for example, accessible

hardware and software developments

1:41:511:41:54

and we technology making it easier

for employers to offer flexibility

1:41:541:41:57

and adaptations to the staff. This

small businesses and large employers

1:41:571:42:05

and implementing solutions for their

employees and it is for government

1:42:051:42:07

to help set the direction and

stimulate good ideas. We know the

1:42:071:42:13

barriers are moving into work and

staying in work are different for

1:42:131:42:16

each person depending on the nature

of their health condition or

1:42:161:42:19

disability. Their aspirations and

individual circumstances. We need to

1:42:191:42:26

work directly with people who

experienced these barriers to

1:42:261:42:28

identify solutions that will work.

We want to build an approach that is

1:42:281:42:33

responsive, caters for every

scenario with the individual at its

1:42:331:42:36

heart. The change is needed is not

one government can deliver by its

1:42:361:42:42

own. Across the country there are

striking examples of what can be

1:42:421:42:47

achieved when employers, charities

and health care professionals work

1:42:471:42:50

together locally. Government can

help create the conditions for

1:42:501:42:55

success. In the workplace employers

should have confidence to recruit

1:42:551:43:00

and retain disabled people and those

with health conditions and create

1:43:001:43:04

healthy and inclusive workplaces

were all employees can thrive and

1:43:041:43:08

progress. The best employers have

already realised the business

1:43:081:43:13

benefits of hiring disabled people

and while there are many examples of

1:43:131:43:16

good practice we want to go further.

This command paper responds to what

1:43:161:43:22

we have heard in the consultation

and also to the findings of thriving

1:43:221:43:28

at work, the Farmer review of mental

health and employers. We will

1:43:281:43:33

improve advice and support for

employers of all sizes working in

1:43:331:43:36

partnership with them together with

disabled people and other

1:43:361:43:40

stakeholders to bring together

information and advice that meets

1:43:401:43:43

business needs. We will also make

significant enhancements to the

1:43:431:43:48

Access to work scheme including

increasing the capacity of its

1:43:481:43:51

mental health support service, to

support a key recommendation of the

1:43:511:43:56

Stevenson Farmer review we will

establish a voluntary framework

1:43:561:43:59

approach for a large employers to

report on mental health and

1:43:591:44:03

disability in the workforce. We are

also preparing a consultation on

1:44:031:44:07

changes to statutory sick pay and

will run across government programme

1:44:071:44:10

of analysis and research to examine

incentives and that influence

1:44:101:44:16

decisions in this area and he will

report back on the preliminary work

1:44:161:44:20

next year. We will build on the key

role in the welfare system plays in

1:44:201:44:26

supporting disabled people and those

with health conditions to enter work

1:44:261:44:30

where possible by developing a more

personalised and tailored approach

1:44:301:44:33

to employment support. This we will

continue to learn for example

1:44:331:44:39

through voluntary trials to help us

build an effective offer of support

1:44:391:44:42

that meets the needs of those in the

support group and we will continue

1:44:421:44:46

to improve the assessment process

while building our evidence base

1:44:461:44:50

including working with external

stakeholders to take forward reform

1:44:501:44:54

of the work capability assessment.

Health care professionals are vital

1:44:541:45:00

to supporting disabled people and

those to achieve their employment

1:45:001:45:04

potential. We work with and support

health professionals with the tools

1:45:041:45:07

and support they need to have

supportive conversations with

1:45:071:45:11

patients about work and health. We

are doubling the number of work and

1:45:111:45:16

health champions at around £39

million to more than double the

1:45:161:45:20

number of employment advisers and

improving access to psychological

1:45:201:45:23

and therapy services. We are also

conducting large-scale randomised

1:45:231:45:29

controlled trials delivering

employment support in the West

1:45:291:45:32

Midlands and Sheffield city region

beginning by March 20 18. Alongside

1:45:321:45:39

this, I am also announcing the next

steps for the fit for work service.

1:45:391:45:43

Established in December 2014 it

offers general health and work

1:45:431:45:49

advice to employees, employers and

GPs through a phone line, up service

1:45:491:45:55

and website and it has also provided

occupational health assessments for

1:45:551:46:00

employees at the list of long-term

sickness absence through advice on

1:46:001:46:03

how they can be supported to return

to work and remain in employment.

1:46:031:46:09

Referrals of cases to the service by

employers and GPs have been much

1:46:091:46:13

lower than expected. There have been

only 650 referrals per month in

1:46:131:46:18

England and Wales compared with the

34,000 forecast. 100 a month in

1:46:181:46:26

Scotland can appeared with the

estimated 4200. By contrast use of

1:46:261:46:32

the advice line and fit for work

website have exceeded expectations

1:46:321:46:36

and I am therefore ending the

contracts for the provision of the

1:46:361:46:40

assessment services both in England

and Wales and Scotland while

1:46:401:46:44

ensuring continued access to the fit

for work online and phone services.

1:46:441:46:48

These will continue to offer general

health and work advice as well as

1:46:481:46:52

support on sickness absence. The

government are also announcing the

1:46:521:46:58

expert working group on occupational

health champion and drive a

1:46:581:47:01

programme of work taking an in-depth

look at the centre. To inform policy

1:47:011:47:07

development we have commissioned

research to better understand the

1:47:071:47:09

current market supply and delivery

of occupational health provision.

1:47:091:47:15

This research will look at local

partnership models to integrate

1:47:151:47:18

health and wider support and

reporting 2019. We also take account

1:47:181:47:24

the lessons of the fit for work

service as we move forward. Madam

1:47:241:47:29

Deputy Speaker, the government is

laying the foundations for a ten

1:47:291:47:32

year programme of change. Everyone

has their own part to play for the

1:47:321:47:37

society in which all disabled people

and people with long-term health

1:47:371:47:39

conditions unable to gain as far as

their talents will take them and I

1:47:391:47:45

commend this statement to the House.

Thank you, let me begin by firstly

1:47:451:47:54

giving apologies from the Shadow

Secretary of State was unable to be

1:47:541:47:57

here today. It is welcome that the

government has finally brought this

1:47:571:48:01

statement to the House. We have

waited a year since this programme

1:48:011:48:04

was first proposed with the Green

paper published one year ago and the

1:48:041:48:11

consultation closing in February.

The work and health programme was

1:48:111:48:14

initially supposed to be launched in

autumn this year. Through the course

1:48:141:48:18

of this long wait, the government

has dropped the ambition to have the

1:48:181:48:24

disability employment gap by 2020.

Sadly the statement published to

1:48:241:48:28

date only means the week and

ambition set out in their recent

1:48:281:48:31

manifesto, reducing the number of

disabled people they hope to support

1:48:311:48:35

into work by up to half a million

compared with the previous games. We

1:48:351:48:40

should not be surprised by this

disappointment as throughout the

1:48:401:48:43

seven wasted years of austerity,

time and again it is disabled people

1:48:431:48:48

who have borne the brunt of the

cuts. The work and health programme

1:48:481:48:53

is no different in this regard with

only 130 million a year set aside. A

1:48:531:48:59

fraction of the billions spent on

its predecessor, the work programme.

1:48:591:49:05

Indeed the local government

Association predict that under the

1:49:051:49:08

current levels of funding the

programme can only support 110,000

1:49:081:49:13

claimants annually. The Joseph

Rowntree Foundation unfortunately

1:49:131:49:15

more pessimistic estimating around

65,000 would be supported. This is

1:49:151:49:22

the reason for the strategy suddenly

needing ten years. They have

1:49:221:49:25

promised to have the disability

employment gap by 2020 and now it

1:49:251:49:30

seems they promised not to have it

by 2027. The government handed

1:49:301:49:36

itself an extended deadline to meet

a weaker target, I am sure very much

1:49:361:49:41

familiar to anyone who watched the

budget last week. Due to the

1:49:411:49:45

government's new relaxed approach

the announcement offers little in

1:49:451:49:48

the way of commitment and it is

sadly an attempt to kick the issue

1:49:481:49:52

back into the long grass with fake

statements and commitment to

1:49:521:49:57

continue doing what it is currently

doing. This is this does not go

1:49:571:50:02

nearly far enough. There's a wealth

of evidence of what support is

1:50:021:50:09

necessary to deliver labour market

outcomes for disabled people. Why is

1:50:091:50:13

it that the government needs to do

another round of pilots? We know for

1:50:131:50:18

example that access to work is both

popular among those who use it,

1:50:181:50:23

focus on the vital issue of

retention for those in work, and

1:50:231:50:27

effective in its results. Instead of

expanding the scheme, the direction

1:50:271:50:32

of travel from this government has

been to reduce the value of access

1:50:321:50:35

to work packages. Will the Secretary

of State can now to expanding the

1:50:351:50:41

funding for the programme as part of

the wider work and health initiative

1:50:411:50:44

rather than simply saying that it

will look at enhancements. The

1:50:441:50:50

evidence has been available for

years. The statement instead praises

1:50:501:50:56

the government's existing disability

scheme but no promise of concrete

1:50:561:51:01

evidence or reports of the scheme.

Can the Secretary of State confirm

1:51:011:51:05

know how many additional disabled

people have found work as a direct

1:51:051:51:09

result of the programme? How much

government money has been spent on

1:51:091:51:14

disability confidence pair

additional person employed as a

1:51:141:51:19

result of this programme? I suspect

he cannot. Once again we see that

1:51:191:51:24

this government, talking a good game

but the levelling nothing beyond

1:51:241:51:27

warm words. Of course, we welcome

the vague not to be reformed

1:51:271:51:33

statutory sick pay. The devil will

surely be in the detail of the

1:51:331:51:41

announcement. Yet another

consultation will have to give us

1:51:411:51:43

content for the time being. The

government clearly likes to listen,

1:51:431:51:49

it is taking action that they find

much more difficult. When will the

1:51:491:51:54

Secretary of State bring forward

details of the consultation,

1:51:541:51:57

including a timeline for action to

take place? The government proposed

1:51:571:52:00

to abolish a report on local

partnerships and better integration

1:52:001:52:04

of health. We will have to wait

until 2019, two years and their ten

1:52:041:52:12

year strategy and only one year they

are than the Twenty20 deadline for

1:52:121:52:17

halving the disability employment

gap. This is not good enough, Madam

1:52:171:52:20

Deputy Speaker, you will remember

when the government cut £1500 a year

1:52:201:52:25

from disabled people through

slashing the employment support

1:52:251:52:29

allowance. This was justified for a

mix this thing work and health

1:52:291:52:34

programme and today is clear

evidence they had broken this

1:52:341:52:36

promise. I hope those honourable

members on the government benches

1:52:361:52:40

will recognise that this is not what

they were promised and they will

1:52:401:52:44

work with the Labour Party to try to

demand a stronger programme of

1:52:441:52:48

support for disabled people. Should

the government be unable to deliver

1:52:481:52:51

this then they should stand aside

and let the Labour Party get on with

1:52:511:52:55

the job.

1:52:551:53:00

Secretary of state.

It is important

that we all seek to remove barriers

1:53:001:53:05

to work and to increase

opportunities for disabled people to

1:53:051:53:09

get into work. I think that we

should have a constructive debate on

1:53:091:53:13

that shared objective, and I will

take that contribution as a

1:53:131:53:18

constructive contribution, even

though it did not always sound quite

1:53:181:53:20

like it. Can I pick up one or two

points? Specifically on what the

1:53:201:53:26

honourable member has said. Let us

be clear, what has actually happened

1:53:261:53:32

over the last four years is that the

number of people, disabled people in

1:53:321:53:38

work, has increased by 600,000. To

go now from 3.5 million disabled

1:53:381:53:44

people in work to 4.5 million people

in work over the course of a decade

1:53:441:53:52

is an ambitious objective. It is one

that will require a great deal of

1:53:521:53:55

work, and I hope that there can be a

constructive debate in delivering

1:53:551:54:01

that. I welcome, I have to say, the

remarks from the Mayor of London

1:54:011:54:06

this morning, in the context of the

work and health programme in London

1:54:061:54:11

where he recognised what we have

done and it is time to put party

1:54:111:54:14

politics aside on this matter. I

hope that can be the spirit where we

1:54:141:54:19

can maintain it across the board.

Let us remember what we are already

1:54:191:54:25

delivering. The honourable member

refers to access to work, the

1:54:251:54:29

expenditure on budget access to work

increased by 8% last year. We have,

1:54:291:54:34

in place, a personal support package

helping people where we are spending

1:54:341:54:40

£330 million over the course of the

next four years. Let me be clear as

1:54:401:54:46

to where we approach this, on this

side of the house. We recognise

1:54:461:54:50

there will be some disabled people,

people with health conditions, where

1:54:501:54:54

they are not going to be able to

work and we need to continue to

1:54:541:54:58

support those people. We spend

record amounts in terms of spending

1:54:581:55:03

on benefits for disabled people.

But, there are also very many people

1:55:031:55:10

who want to work and we are

determined to do everything we can

1:55:101:55:13

to support them, whether that is

using our capabilities of the

1:55:131:55:19

welfare system, the health system

working with employers, because we

1:55:191:55:22

want to put work at the centre of

this. Work matters. It should be at

1:55:221:55:27

the heart of what we are doing in

delivering the welfare system. That

1:55:271:55:32

is exactly what this government does

across the board and I can draw

1:55:321:55:36

parallels with our debates last week

about Universal Credit, which helps

1:55:361:55:43

people into work. That is the

approach that we are delivering and

1:55:431:55:46

I hope, at some point, we can have

support from the party opposite in

1:55:461:55:51

achieving that objective.

Madam

Deputy Speaker, can I welcome this

1:55:511:55:56

10-year plan from the Secretary of

State. And say that I am delighted

1:55:561:56:02

that he and the Department continue

to focus on this area. He will know

1:56:021:56:06

that I have campaigned for many

years to improve the life chances of

1:56:061:56:10

people with autism. But, sadly,

still only 16% of adults with autism

1:56:101:56:18

are in full-time employment.

Overall, in full and part-time

1:56:181:56:22

employment, it's only 32% and it

hasn't really shifted that much in a

1:56:221:56:27

decade. Can I pay tribute for the

honourable member for Portsmouth

1:56:271:56:30

North, to whom I presented on a

cross-party basis, a petition on the

1:56:301:56:37

21st of February, signed by 30,000

people, about the autism employment

1:56:371:56:42

gap. Can he give me assurance that

he will continue to focus on the

1:56:421:56:46

needs of people with autism and

close that gap once and for all?

1:56:461:56:55

Festival, can I thank my right

honourable friend for her question

1:56:551:56:57

and paid tribute to the work she

does in respect to her work with

1:56:571:57:02

autism, its work she has done for

many years as co-chair of the

1:57:021:57:05

all-party autism group, there was a

report on this issue yesterday, we

1:57:051:57:12

are looking at the contents of that

report closely. She highlights this

1:57:121:57:16

particular issue. It's a challenge.

We made progress across the board

1:57:161:57:21

but, is there more to do?

Absolutely. There is. She

1:57:211:57:26

particularly highlights the issue

and the context of those with autism

1:57:261:57:30

and that is something that we have

two address as a society.

Madam

1:57:301:57:39

Deputy Speaker, I would like to

thank the Secretary of State. The

1:57:391:57:44

SNP are extremely disappointed in

the statement and command paper

1:57:441:57:47

produced today. We believe the UK

Government, as a priority, needs to

1:57:471:57:52

reverse the cuts made to these

benefits. And scrap fees on benefits

1:57:521:57:57

as well. They are harming people.

Mencap released a statement that

1:57:571:58:01

says they are alarmed that the needs

of hundreds of thousands of people

1:58:011:58:04

with mild or moderate learning

disabilities have been overlooked.

1:58:041:58:08

It is the case that the government

seems to have abandoned its pledge

1:58:081:58:12

to have the -- have the disability

employment gap, and it's worse for

1:58:121:58:20

people with learning disabilities.

The disability benefits Consortium

1:58:201:58:23

says that they are extremely

disappointed that there is a focus

1:58:231:58:28

on ESE instead of the work

capability assessment. 68% of those

1:58:281:58:35

challenging their work capability

results are successful in that

1:58:351:58:37

challenge. The system is discredited

and it is broken. We want to see the

1:58:371:58:43

UK Government committed to scrapping

UK capability assessment. We want a

1:58:431:58:49

new system that puts fairness and

dignity and post-treating disabled

1:58:491:58:53

people would respect at the absolute

heart of the system.

First, in terms

1:58:531:58:59

of her comments on behalf of the

SNP, I know my honourable friend,

1:58:591:59:05

the Minister for disabled people,

has spoken to Scottish ministers

1:59:051:59:10

today and got a much more

constructive response. I know that

1:59:101:59:14

it is the launch of the innovation

fund Dendy Gateway today, and we

1:59:141:59:19

look forward to working closely with

the Scottish Government in a

1:59:191:59:23

constructive manner. In terms of the

work capability assessment, we have

1:59:231:59:28

consulted on this. It is not clear

that there is a consensus that this

1:59:281:59:32

point, there's a way in which the

work capability assessment should be

1:59:321:59:36

reformed but we acknowledge there

are improvements which should be

1:59:361:59:39

made. We have, indeed, made

improvements in work capability

1:59:391:59:44

assessments and how they work,

including the fact that those with

1:59:441:59:50

severe long-term disabilities will

not be reassessed in the way that

1:59:501:59:52

they were previously. So, we

continue to make improvements on

1:59:521:59:58

that and if we can reach a consensus

on the work capability assessment

1:59:582:00:01

and how it should be reformed, I

would be happy to proceed.

Madam

2:00:012:00:08

Deputy Speaker, I would strongly

welcomed the statement that the

2:00:082:00:11

Secretary of State made this

morning. I would also welcome the

2:00:112:00:16

news that the disability employment

rate has risen by nearly 5% since

2:00:162:00:21

2014. The government itself is a

major employer of people. The

2:00:212:00:28

Secretary of State, tell us, what is

the government doing to ensure the

2:00:282:00:31

civil service leads by example?

Royal Rumble friend makes a good

2:00:312:00:37

point, the government is a large

employer, all government

2:00:372:00:42

departments, they are disability

confident employers and one of the

2:00:422:00:44

points in the command paper we make

is, as an employer, the civil

2:00:442:00:50

service lead by example in terms of

how it operates and the support

2:00:502:00:55

provided to disabled people.

Mr

Speaker, I thank the right

2:00:552:01:02

honourable member for his statement

and that he will introduce

2:01:022:01:08

significant improvement and access

to his programme. Does it include

2:01:082:01:12

abolishing all raising the cap on

support for deaf people that was

2:01:122:01:15

introduced in March 2015?

--

abolishing all raising. We are

2:01:152:01:23

reviewing that matter, we have

representations on that point and we

2:01:232:01:26

continue to look at the evidence.

Madam Deputy Speaker, my father was

2:01:262:01:33

made disabled at work and that can

really affect your life chances. I

2:01:332:01:37

congratulate microlink, they have

been going for over 23 years and

2:01:372:01:42

they enable people to get back to

work with conditions and

2:01:422:01:46

disabilities, both in education and

employment, and look at the

2:01:462:01:50

challenges around that. Could the

secretary of state listen to

2:01:502:01:54

companies such as these who do so

much to keep people in work and in

2:01:542:01:59

education, and give them

opportunities at every point in

2:01:592:02:01

life?

I'm grateful to my honourable

friend for the question and I praise

2:02:012:02:08

the employer in her constituency.

It's very good employers who lead

2:02:082:02:13

the way. We have 5000 employers

signed up as disability confident.

2:02:132:02:18

And, what we want to do, Jayson Shaw

backlist -- is ensure best actress

2:02:182:02:26

is pursued by all employers.

Madam

Deputy Speaker, the Secretary of

2:02:262:02:32

State will be aware that evidence

presented to the select committee in

2:02:322:02:35

relation to frustrations using the

service, and operators. It is not

2:02:352:02:41

acceptable for people to wait for 50

minutes to get access to that, so

2:02:412:02:48

can he assure me that adequate

staffing is put in place for a home

2:02:482:02:55

service to mark

we are always

looking at what we can do to improve

2:02:552:03:02

the service provided and where that

falls below acceptable levels, it is

2:03:022:03:09

clearly something that needs to be

rectified.

Madam Deputy Speaker, I

2:03:092:03:16

welcome the statement. I'm sure the

Secretary of State would agree that

2:03:162:03:19

it is about tackling a two book,

surrounding mental health, that

2:03:192:03:23

could prevent people from accessing

help when they think they could be

2:03:232:03:26

an issue and we think it is a key

part of the statement, and would

2:03:262:03:30

make people more confident -- and

would make employers more confident

2:03:302:03:36

about employing those with mental

health issues.

If you like, that

2:03:362:03:45

kind of cultural shift is what we

need more broadly in terms of a

2:03:452:03:50

recognition and understanding of

some of the disabilities or health

2:03:502:03:55

conditions that may have helped

people back in the past but actually

2:03:552:03:58

can be dealt with and can be

accommodated, and there can be

2:03:582:04:03

adaptations and steps taken by

employers that can ensure people

2:04:032:04:09

continue to be able to work. That is

what this paper argues for very

2:04:092:04:12

strongly.

The Minister will start a

specific job of work, looking at

2:04:122:04:20

support for those with acquired

brain injuries, whether through

2:04:202:04:23

concussion in sport which could lead

to dramatic and calf a lot of -- or

2:04:232:04:32

in a car accident, the truth is,

there isn't anywhere near enough

2:04:322:04:39

rehabilitation units across the

country, it can kill people and get

2:04:392:04:43

them back into work and it is

immensely cost-effective for the

2:04:432:04:49

government. Karen I invite you to

look at this work, and so we can

2:04:492:04:58

give people the real-life

opportunities that they need?

I

2:04:582:05:02

think the honourable member for his

question, he raises an important

2:05:022:05:06

point and I know my honourable

member for disabled people is keen

2:05:062:05:11

to meet him in his capacity, as

chair of the group to discuss this.

2:05:112:05:17

Hull Rachel McClane.

I wonder if the

Minister and other members watched

2:05:172:05:23

the programme on BBC Two,

Employable, the other night. I was

2:05:232:05:27

struck by the courage of disabled

people, so keen to get back into

2:05:272:05:32

work facing challenges. And the

enlightened employers who gave them

2:05:322:05:36

a chance. It demonstrated the life

enhancing power of work for people

2:05:362:05:39

who choose to work, when it is a

positive choice for them and when

2:05:392:05:43

they are supported but can I ask the

Minister to think about how it is

2:05:432:05:48

for small businesses and charities

featured in the programme, to give

2:05:482:05:51

the right support and can he talk

about how this statement will make

2:05:512:05:56

that go further? When I I thank my

honourable friend for her question.

2:05:562:06:03

I confess I haven't had the

opportunity to see the programme she

2:06:032:06:07

mentioned that she is not the first

person to mention it to me, with a

2:06:072:06:11

strong recommendation. I will

perhaps endeavour to do that over

2:06:112:06:13

the weekend. But she raises an

important point about small

2:06:132:06:19

businesses. Part of what we need to

do is to provide support to small

2:06:192:06:23

businesses as to what is the best

way in which they can provide

2:06:232:06:28

support to disabled people, and, of

course, have access to very talented

2:06:282:06:35

people, as I understand the

programme demonstrates, with

2:06:352:06:38

significant abilities to bring a lot

to the labour market. But partly

2:06:382:06:41

because of attitudes and culture and

so on, have not had the

2:06:412:06:46

opportunities they should have.

David Linden.

I know from the

2:06:462:06:52

statement that it talks about the

disability assessment. It is a major

2:06:522:06:59

issue. I think of a constituent who

was treated quite poorly by what

2:06:592:07:05

disability assessment. Can I ask

when you last sat in on a bike

2:07:052:07:09

disability assessment?

I haven't,

but what I can say is that we have

2:07:092:07:16

made reforms to the work capability

assessment process, and in terms of

2:07:162:07:25

those with severe disabilities, they

no longer need to be reassessed in

2:07:252:07:27

the same way.

2:07:272:07:37

In welcoming the Secretary of

State's statement about helping B

2:07:492:07:53

was health conditions back into

work, may I ask what is being done

2:07:532:07:56

to enhance the job centre plus offer

specifically in relation to people

2:07:562:08:01

with mental health issues and

learning disabilities, specifically

2:08:012:08:08

in helping them with Universal

Credit applications?

My little

2:08:082:08:12

friend makes a good point. We have

got 300 disability employment

2:08:122:08:19

advisers in place. I have met with

them and discussed the work that

2:08:192:08:24

they do and struck by the specialist

support they can provide. We are

2:08:242:08:27

also putting in place 200 community

partners to further assist on this.

2:08:272:08:32

It is about ensuring that job centre

pluss are well placed to provide

2:08:322:08:39

support to people that they need.

Thank you. Abbey in danger of

2:08:392:08:44

setting a dangerous precedent where

constituents are in possession of a

2:08:442:08:47

sect note from a health

professional, that be a consultant

2:08:472:08:52

or a doctor or a psychiatrist, and

that is overridden by the work

2:08:522:08:57

assessors who therefore declare that

the person is fit for work? I had

2:08:572:09:02

the constituent visit me and she is

clearly disabled, clear for all to

2:09:022:09:06

see. She was asked how she does her

shopping and she says she does at

2:09:062:09:11

online of a couple of weeks

therefore he was fit to work in an

2:09:112:09:14

office for 37 hours a week.

1.I

would make in terms of the

2:09:142:09:21

assessments and whether we're

looking at ES eight or pep. The

2:09:212:09:29

percentage of those assessments

which overturned is running at about

2:09:292:09:33

4%. -- ESA or PIP. Let's put it in

context that only 4% or overturned

2:09:332:09:41

on appeal.

Today's command paper

there's a huge step forward and

2:09:412:09:49

should be welcomed. When it comes to

attitude, does my right friend

2:09:492:09:53

agreed that we need to tackle a

culture, in some quarters, which

2:09:532:09:58

fails to harness the potential of

disabled people in the workplace.

It

2:09:582:10:03

is absolutely right and that is

where I come back to this need for a

2:10:032:10:07

culture shift. The government has

got an important role to play in

2:10:072:10:12

terms of making that case and I am

determined that we do that.

The

2:10:122:10:18

timely payment of PIP is important

for disabled people whether in work

2:10:182:10:25

or not yet the experience of my

constituent Margaret who had two

2:10:252:10:29

strokes and had to travel a 70 mile

round trip for her assessment with

2:10:292:10:33

her daughter was that the meeting

was cancelled on the day she turned

2:10:332:10:36

up despite written confirmation.

Will the Secretary of State

2:10:362:10:44

investigate the growing problem of

cancelled PIP appointments due to

2:10:442:10:48

lack of resources and its impact on

disabled people in the Highlands and

2:10:482:10:50

elsewhere?

The point I would make to

the honourable gentleman is clearly

2:10:502:10:58

that in that particular case it is

not acceptable and we do need to

2:10:582:11:03

address those issues. I would say

that when it comes to delays in

2:11:032:11:07

payments of PIP and assessments, we

have made progress in the last

2:11:072:11:13

couple of years but we obviously

need to continue to ensure that it

2:11:132:11:18

is of adequate standards.

How does

he deactivate complaint last week

2:11:182:11:27

that as an applicant for the post of

disability Commissioner he now

2:11:272:11:31

believes the post is about to be

downgraded the polished -- or

2:11:312:11:39

abolished? The Lord is a magnificent

example of someone who has overcome

2:11:392:11:43

a severe disability. How can he

react to a visible failure of

2:11:432:11:51

government to act to a complaint I

put in some years ago a pretty

2:11:512:11:55

constituent who worked in the civil

service and his career came to an

2:11:552:12:00

end because he couldn't get access

to his wheelchair, to the box in the

2:12:002:12:03

corner?

In terms of that latter

case. The honourable gentleman

2:12:032:12:14

raises an important point. I agree

the law does a great example. My

2:12:142:12:23

understanding in terms of the

commissioners for the equality and

2:12:232:12:26

human rights that that is that that

is a decision made by the commission

2:12:262:12:34

without any ministerial

interference, whether there is a

2:12:342:12:36

particular disability commission and

that is my understanding of the

2:12:362:12:40

situation.

Thank you. I would like

to thank the Secretary of State for

2:12:402:12:47

some of the important work on this

issue done between his department

2:12:472:12:49

and the all-party group disability

that I'd share. A key recommendation

2:12:492:12:55

from our enquiry board was that a

significant improvement could be

2:12:552:13:00

made in employment every right to

leveraged public procurement

2:13:002:13:03

contracts towards disability

confident employers. Is there

2:13:032:13:07

something you would further conserve

and perhaps write to the all-party

2:13:072:13:10

group with his thoughts?

First of

all can I thank her for the work she

2:13:102:13:18

does with the all-party

parliamentary group and thank her

2:13:182:13:21

for the kind words about the

engagement with my department. I

2:13:212:13:24

think she raises an interesting

point about procurement and she will

2:13:242:13:28

be aware that when it comes to

procurement issues that very often

2:13:282:13:35

many ask from different departments

and sectors and the Cabinet Office

2:13:352:13:41

has to take a view on that but we

are looking at that particular issue

2:13:412:13:45

and I would certainly encourage all

major companies, particularly those

2:13:452:13:52

with engagement with the government,

that they should be looking closely

2:13:522:13:56

at being a disability employer, what

that involves.

I wondered if the

2:13:562:14:03

Secretary of State could take the

House on the progress made for those

2:14:032:14:07

people damaged by the state through

receiving contaminated blood

2:14:072:14:12

products through the contaminated

blood scandal in the past sporting

2:14:122:14:17

of benefits to those individuals

they don't have to keep going

2:14:172:14:19

through regular assessments?

I am

happy to look at that particular

2:14:192:14:26

issue and break to the honourable

member.

My constituent suffered

2:14:262:14:36

mental health problems and had to

give up her work. She subsequently

2:14:362:14:41

gained the qualification that

allowed her to work in a clear

2:14:412:14:44

centre. That sounds like a good new

centre except although she is on ESA

2:14:442:14:51

and only able to work a maximum of

16 hours a week the DWP will not

2:14:512:14:55

allow her to take up employment

because she has to do an internal

2:14:552:14:59

training programme which would take

over the threshold. With the

2:14:592:15:02

government look at amending this

crazy situation?

I am grateful to

2:15:022:15:07

the member for raising this case. I

agree it does not sound in any way a

2:15:072:15:13

sensible situation to be in. The

good news I can get with that

2:15:132:15:17

situation simply will not happen

once Universal Credit is introduced.

2:15:172:15:26

One of the major concerns facing

disabled people in my constituency

2:15:262:15:30

is the impact of Universal Credit. I

note in his department was my recent

2:15:302:15:33

statement last week, the right

honourable gentleman postpone the

2:15:332:15:39

roll-out in his constituency and

those of the Prime Minister and

2:15:392:15:42

first Secretary of State. As he is

in the mid to reconsider, can he do

2:15:422:15:46

the same for the people of Barnsley

East?

The previous question give an

2:15:462:15:52

example of how Universal Credit is

actually going to be much better for

2:15:522:15:55

disabled people. We are rolling out

Universal Credit anyway that is safe

2:15:552:16:01

and we are making adjustments as and

when we need to, but I am pleased to

2:16:012:16:08

save the date on which Universal

Credit will be fully rolled out has

2:16:082:16:11

remained unchanged, March 20 22. If

it could be earlier I would make it

2:16:112:16:17

so but that is the safest point at

which we can do it. Universal Credit

2:16:172:16:22

will be an advantage for many

disabled people because they will

2:16:222:16:25

not be faced with some of those

disincentives about perhaps not

2:16:252:16:29

working more than 16 hours a week.

Point of order.

Only point of order,

2:16:292:16:41

on the 31st of October at the health

select committee I asked the Health

2:16:412:16:45

Secretary he had visited the locked

mental health rehabilitation ward

2:16:452:16:49

currently home to more than 3500

patients across the country. He

2:16:492:16:54

answered yes. Three weeks ago I

followed up with the parliamentary

2:16:542:16:59

question to ask the Secretary of

State which what he had visited and

2:16:592:17:02

when. The answer I received said the

information is not held in the

2:17:022:17:06

format requested. I asked a

subsequent named a parliamentary

2:17:062:17:11

question, this time just asking

which locked mental health the

2:17:112:17:16

abilities and walk the Secretary of

State visited. The answer I received

2:17:162:17:21

stated, and I quote, the Secretary

of State has visited a wide range of

2:17:212:17:25

mental health facilities including

15 since July 16. However the

2:17:252:17:31

information requested is not held.

Is it in order for the Secretary of

2:17:312:17:37

State not to disclose to a member of

Parliament details of a visit he

2:17:372:17:40

confirmed he had me that the select

committee and that it is not what

2:17:402:17:44

advice can you please offer about

how I can please solicit this very

2:17:442:17:48

important information from the

Secretary of State?

I can not

2:17:482:17:56

comment directly on the adequacy or

otherwise of ministerial responses.

2:17:562:18:03

The honourable lady has clearly

raised her concerns about this

2:18:032:18:10

issue. The government front bench

will also have heard what she has

2:18:102:18:16

said. I think my best advice is that

the honourable lady should perhaps

2:18:162:18:23

also consult with the table office

about whether there are other ways

2:18:232:18:28

that she can raise this issue.

Perhaps even in the short debate on

2:18:282:18:37

health questions. Thank you.

We now

come to the emergency day debate,

2:18:372:18:44

Andrew Mitchell.

2:18:442:18:48

I am extremely grateful for granting

this debate. That is rapidly rising

2:18:512:18:58

concern in Britain about what is

happening in Yemen and the Park

2:18:582:19:03

Britain is playing in this crisis.

There is deep concern that an

2:19:032:19:08

almighty catastrophe of biblical

proportions is unfolding in the

2:19:082:19:11

Yemen before our eyes and the

considerable fear that Britain is

2:19:112:19:16

dangerously complicit in it. I had

the opportunity thanks to Oxfam and

2:19:162:19:23

the United Nations to visit Yemen

hour this year. I am most grateful

2:19:232:19:28

to the Saudi Arabian authorities for

facilitating that visit. I think I

2:19:282:19:33

remain the only European politician

to have visited the northern part of

2:19:332:19:36

Yemen in the last three years. I

want to pay tribute today to the

2:19:362:19:42

extraordinary work that the

humanitarian aid agencies and the UN

2:19:422:19:44

are carrying out and in particular

the work that Jamie McGoldrick and

2:19:442:19:50

his team at the UN are still

brilliantly doing in almost

2:19:502:19:54

impossible circumstances. I returned

from the Yemen deeply concerned

2:19:542:19:59

about what I have learned and seen

and expressed my concern both to the

2:19:592:20:02

Foreign Office and the British

government privately as well as to

2:20:022:20:08

the Saudi authorities Scotty of his

Excellency the Saudi Arabian

2:20:082:20:11

ambassador. I regard myself as a

friend of Saudi Arabia although a

2:20:112:20:16

candid one. Like many I have great

respect for the domestic reforms and

2:20:162:20:23

modernisation currently in progress

and the kingdom being led by the

2:20:232:20:26

crown prince. My visit to Yemen

enabled me to spend time with the

2:20:262:20:32

humanitarian agencies and also meet

with the leadership, the former

2:20:322:20:39

president of Yemen and those

currently leading what is the

2:20:392:20:41

largest political party in Yemeni

politics.

Anything congratulating

2:20:412:20:51

the right honourable gentleman in

securing this debate. In offering

2:20:512:20:55

our thanks to the humanitarian

workers, does the right honourable

2:20:552:21:01

gentleman agree with me that

although the roots of this terrible

2:21:012:21:04

war are deeply complex, there is

absolutely no justification

2:21:042:21:10

whatsoever for repeated blockades of

the ports and airports which are

2:21:102:21:17

denying the long-suffering people of

Yemen the food and medicine that

2:21:172:21:21

they require. And as a result of the

blockades they are suffering

2:21:212:21:28

grievously with the threat of famine

and people are dying of disease

2:21:282:21:31

including cholera.

The right

honourable gentleman is absolutely

2:21:312:21:36

right in every syllable he has just

expressed to the House. I hope to go

2:21:362:21:41

on and set out both the extent of

the problems he has identified and

2:21:412:21:45

also what I think the British

government can do to assist in its

2:21:452:21:49

resolution. I was talking about

those I met when I was in Yemen and

2:21:492:21:55

also about the Houthis. There's an

idea that persists that the was

2:21:552:22:05

captured by terrorists who have

stolen the country. This analysis is

2:22:052:22:09

not only wrong but an extremely

dangerous fiction. The Houthis are

2:22:092:22:14

in complete control of large parts

of the country and together with the

2:22:142:22:19

Allies, they have established a

strong and orderly government in the

2:22:192:22:22

North particularly throughout the

capital city of Yemen. They will not

2:22:222:22:28

be easily shifted. The Houthis

commit grave violations against the

2:22:282:22:35

civilian population including forced

disappearances and siphoning vital

2:22:352:22:38

resources on public services to fund

violence, but for most in the

2:22:382:22:43

capital city, the only violence and

disorderly experiences that which

2:22:432:22:47

rained down upon them night after

night from the skies from Saudi

2:22:472:22:51

Arabian aircraft.

2:22:512:22:56

I am grateful to the honourable

member for securing this debate and

2:22:562:22:58

giving way. I will put to him that

there was a recent BBC documentary

2:22:582:23:03

which showed Houthis in Sana'a

putting posters up everywhere,

2:23:032:23:09

putting Shia clerics into the

mosques, and the chanting in the

2:23:092:23:13

mosques were "Death to America and

death to Israel. Curse the dues". Is

2:23:132:23:19

that progressive and the Houthis

represent a peaceful way forward?

2:23:192:23:26

The Houthis are responsible for

violence and disappearances, and in

2:23:262:23:31

the sentences I was uttering before

I gave way, I was making clear what

2:23:312:23:36

the position is, in respect to the

Houthis. The fact is, they are in

2:23:362:23:41

control of large parts of Yemen and

they will not be easily shifted.

2:23:412:23:45

During my visit I was also able to

travel to the north of Yemen, which

2:23:452:23:50

has largely been destroyed. Posters

in the city in Arabic and English

2:23:502:24:01

say that children are being killed

by the British and the Americans. In

2:24:012:24:07

my many years of working with

humanitarian organisations, I have

2:24:072:24:10

seldom seen such a clear, convincing

and utterly united approach from so

2:24:102:24:16

many of our world leading NGOs and

charities. I want to be clear on the

2:24:162:24:23

situation on the ground last night.

The position is, some humanitarian

2:24:232:24:27

flights into Sana'a have resumed on

the 26th of November following the

2:24:272:24:33

intensification of the blockade

imposed on the 5th of November.

2:24:332:24:37

Limited shipments have come into her

dado, the principal port in Yemen,

2:24:372:24:44

and two initial shipments into these

ports have brought just 30,000

2:24:442:24:48

metric tonnes of commercial wheat,

less than 10% of Yemen's monthly

2:24:482:24:53

need to keep its population alive.

300,000 metric tonnes of wheat was

2:24:532:24:58

turned away in the first two weeks

of the blockade. There are three

2:24:582:25:02

vessels this morning loaded with

food outside of the port which await

2:25:022:25:07

permission from Saudi authorities to

enter. Secondly, one humanitarian

2:25:072:25:11

air cargo flight landed last weekend

with 1.19 million doses of

2:25:112:25:16

diphtheria vaccine. They will help

to contain the current outbreak of

2:25:162:25:21

diphtheria, a disease known as the

strangling angel of children, a

2:25:212:25:25

disease we no longer see in Britain

and Europe and which, since August,

2:25:252:25:31

has produced over 170 suspect cases

and at least 14 deaths so far.

2:25:312:25:36

Thirdly, there has been no access

for fuel. Fuel is critical to the

2:25:362:25:41

milling and trucking food to the

vulnerable as well as the ongoing

2:25:412:25:47

operation of health, water and

sewage systems. Humanitarian

2:25:472:25:51

agencies need 1 million litres of

fuel per month. Without it,

2:25:512:25:55

hospitals shut down due to a lack of

power and water. At least seven

2:25:552:25:59

whole cities have run out of water

and sanitation and aid agencies

2:25:592:26:05

cannot get food to starving

families. The destruction of clean

2:26:052:26:11

water and sanitation facilities is

directly responsible for the

2:26:112:26:15

outbreak earlier this year of

cholera, affecting nearly 1 million

2:26:152:26:20

people. To summarise, the effect and

impact of the blockade could not be

2:26:202:26:24

graver. Yemen is a country ravaged

by medieval diseases and on the

2:26:242:26:30

precipice of famine, with rapidly

dwindling food and fuel stocks in

2:26:302:26:34

Yemen and the dire humanitarian

situation rushing at least 7 million

2:26:342:26:39

people into famine. It is now vital

that there is unimpeded access from

2:26:392:26:43

humanitarian and commercial cargo to

enter these ports, including those

2:26:432:26:50

carrying fuel. Approximately 21

million yet the -- without access

2:26:502:27:02

for critical commercial goods, the

likelihood of famine and a renewed

2:27:022:27:06

spike of cholera remain. The

international humanitarian agencies

2:27:062:27:10

are doing their best to support

around 7 million people that the

2:27:102:27:14

rest of the population rely on the

commercial sector and the lack of

2:27:142:27:18

food and fuel is causing desperate

problems with price hikes over 100%

2:27:182:27:24

in costs for essential commodities.

I give way. Bee I think the right

2:27:242:27:31

honourable gentleman for drawing

breath and giving way.

If I could

2:27:312:27:35

take he is absolutely right to

identify and highlight the

2:27:352:27:40

humanitarian crisis in Yemen. I

think he does because no service by

2:27:402:27:47

glossing over the causes of the

situation, and particularly the

2:27:472:27:51

Iranians back Houthi rebellion with

violence accomplished by that, I

2:27:512:27:57

know that many of my constituents,

whose families are still there, are

2:27:572:28:02

terrified by the prospects of the

Houthi taking over but does he

2:28:022:28:07

acknowledge it is the government of

Yemen that is internationally

2:28:072:28:11

recognised and supported by the

Saudi led coalition. Can we have

2:28:112:28:15

balance on this, on the causes of

this?

If we are able to detain the

2:28:152:28:23

right honourable gentleman

throughout the rest of my remarks, I

2:28:232:28:26

will directly address many of the

points that he has made. The Saudi

2:28:262:28:32

pledged to open some ports does not

come close to feeding a population

2:28:322:28:39

reliant on commercial imports for

80% of its food. The best analogy

2:28:392:28:44

for Hodeidah is the equivalent of

the Port of London. 80% of all the

2:28:442:28:50

mini food is imported and 70% comes

through Hodeidah port. As the

2:28:502:28:55

Secretary-General of the UN said

last week, the flour milling

2:28:552:28:58

capacity of Hodeidah ports and their

proximity to 70% of people in need

2:28:582:29:03

makes them indispensable for the

survival of Yemen. He went on to say

2:29:032:29:11

that unless a blockade on these

ports is lifted, these ports, famine

2:29:112:29:16

throughout Yemen is a real threat,

including on the southern border of

2:29:162:29:19

Saudi Arabia. The recent Saudi

proposal, in respect to opening

2:29:192:29:24

other ports, completely misses the

point. Nobody should accept the

2:29:242:29:29

Saudi's minor concessions on

humanitarian access as a victory,

2:29:292:29:34

allowing some UN flights to land and

ships to doctors not constitute the

2:29:342:29:39

unhindered humanitarian access that

Saudi Arabia is required to provide

2:29:392:29:45

under international humanitarian

law. Humanitarian cargo alone will

2:29:452:29:48

not avert a famine in the Yemen. All

it will do is slow the inevitable

2:29:482:29:54

descent into disease and starvation,

for millions.

Thank you, Madam

2:29:542:30:03

Deputy Speaker, I ask my right

honourable friend to confirm, to me,

2:30:032:30:07

but I was under the impression that

the government opened its ports,

2:30:072:30:13

including Hodeidah, but the rebels

have not opened ports and they

2:30:132:30:17

obviously want all of the ports in

Yemen to be opened as fast as

2:30:172:30:22

possible but, right now, my

understanding was that the

2:30:222:30:26

government and the Saudis as well

have opened up the ports that they

2:30:262:30:30

control. Am I wrong?

Right

honourable friend is partially

2:30:302:30:36

wrong. The two critical ports are

headed and they have not been

2:30:362:30:44

shipping, and aware that I describe

it is not being allowed to enter

2:30:442:30:47

those ports in an unfettered way. I

want to be very clear about this.

2:30:472:30:53

Humanitarian support, without

commercial imports coming into the

2:30:532:30:57

country, especially food, fuel and

medicine, will condemn millions of

2:30:572:31:02

Yemenis to certain death. What does

this mean on the ground? 27 children

2:31:022:31:09

are diagnosed as acutely

malnourished, 600 more starving

2:31:092:31:15

children every day. According to the

world food programme, as things

2:31:152:31:20

stand, 150,000 malnourished children

could starve to death in the coming

2:31:202:31:23

months. 70 million people do not

know where their next meal is coming

2:31:232:31:28

from. As of today, at least 400,000

children are suffering from severe

2:31:282:31:34

acute malnutrition, as medically

defined. Madam Deputy Speaker, when

2:31:342:31:41

children have severe malnutrition,

they reached a critical point where

2:31:412:31:44

they are no longer able to eat for

themselves and they need to be fed

2:31:442:31:48

by nasogastric tubes. Prior to that

point, we can assess them and revive

2:31:482:31:53

them quickly with nutritional

biscuits for the cost of a few pence

2:31:532:31:59

per child but once they are so

starved of nutrition, they require

2:31:592:32:04

medical assistance and their organs

begin to fail. They cannot play,

2:32:042:32:10

they cannot smile. Parents have to

be told that their children still

2:32:102:32:12

love them, they are just too weak to

show it. I repeat, Madam Deputy

2:32:122:32:19

Speaker, the malnutrition in Yemen

today is threatening the lives of

2:32:192:32:22

hundreds of thousands of children.

The imagery on our television

2:32:222:32:27

screens, captured by only the most

intrepid of journalists due to Saudi

2:32:272:32:32

restrictions on media access, seen,

from a bygone era. Their tenuous

2:32:322:32:40

hold on life, dependent on fuel for

hospital generators, which is fast

2:32:402:32:44

running out. An award-winning

reporter for the BBC showed shocking

2:32:442:32:52

and heartbreaking images of famine,

and shattering health systems even

2:32:522:32:57

before the current blockade. I give

way.

Would he not agree though that

2:32:572:33:02

when he says there are limitations

on journalism, Al Jazeera have a lot

2:33:022:33:08

of access and they do not report

favourably to the world the Saudi

2:33:082:33:12

position. Would he not also accept

that you only have to go on you Tube

2:33:122:33:15

to see an awful lot of modern media

put on from inside North Yemen and

2:33:152:33:21

Sana'a and in Saudi Arabia where

Houthis regularly kill Saudi people?

2:33:212:33:29

What the honourable gentleman would

accept is that where there is a

2:33:292:33:33

blockade, which specifically targets

journalists to stop them coming in,

2:33:332:33:37

it is reasonable to assume that the

regime and control has something to

2:33:372:33:40

hide which it does not want

journalists to see. If there is

2:33:402:33:45

nothing to hide, presumably

journalists would be allowed access?

2:33:452:33:50

When the 25 humanitarian agencies

wrote to the Foreign Secretary on

2:33:502:33:53

the 30th of November, they did so

because Britain is part of the

2:33:532:33:59

coalition blocking and attacking

Yemen. As the pen holder of Yemen at

2:33:592:34:04

the UN, we are responsible for

leading action at the council. We

2:34:042:34:09

bear a special responsibility,

physical as well as moral, to lead

2:34:092:34:13

the international response to end

this conflict. Yet, our government

2:34:132:34:17

has declined to call this what it

is. And illegal blockade. Saudi

2:34:172:34:21

Arabia is in direct violation of

humanitarian law and it is

2:34:212:34:27

specifically in breach of the

security legislation 2016 which

2:34:272:34:33

urges all parties to facilitate the

delivery of humanitarian assistance,

2:34:332:34:37

as well as rapid, safe and

unhindered access for humanitarian

2:34:372:34:42

actors to reach people in need of

humanitarian assistance, including

2:34:422:34:46

medical assistance. That is what the

resolution says. It can hardly be

2:34:462:34:50

clearer. The security council

resolution was initiated and drafted

2:34:502:34:53

by the UK in 2015. The British

government was right to condemn the

2:34:532:35:00

attempted Houthi missile attack on

Riyadh airport, my right honourable

2:35:002:35:04

friend did so in the house last

week. Where is the -- on each of the

2:35:042:35:11

three nights that I spent in Sana'a

earlier this year, there were six

2:35:112:35:16

bombing runs by the Saudi air force

attacking the city. I was in no

2:35:162:35:20

danger whatsoever as I was safe with

the UN. Imagine the fear and horror

2:35:202:35:25

families and children who, night

after night, are the subject of

2:35:252:35:28

crude bombing attacks which usually

destroy civilian and non-military

2:35:282:35:34

targets? Throughout the conflict,

quite diplomacy has failed to curb

2:35:342:35:40

outrage after outrage as our allies

destroyed bridges and hospitals. No

2:35:402:35:48

wonder the Secretary-General has

called it a stupid war. Despite

2:35:482:35:52

holding the pen at the UN Security

Council, the UK has so far failed to

2:35:522:35:56

take any steps whatsoever to use it

to respond to the recent

2:35:562:36:00

escalations. We have not condemned

the legal restrictions on

2:36:002:36:05

humanitarian aid and vital imports

of food, fuel and medicines, nor

2:36:052:36:09

have we called for parties to end

violations against civilians. Nor,

2:36:092:36:13

to set out a revive closed peace

process, and the widespread

2:36:132:36:20

recognition at 22-16 constitutes a

barrier to a realistic political

2:36:202:36:25

process. The UK did not even descend

on a draft UN Security Council

2:36:252:36:30

statement, circulated by Egypt,

which failed entirely to mention the

2:36:302:36:33

dire impact of the blockade. This

silence is shameful, Madam Deputy

2:36:332:36:38

Speaker. It lets down the Yemenis

and threatens our position on the UN

2:36:382:36:45

Security Council as other nations

fill the void left by our abdication

2:36:452:36:49

of leadership. The senseless death

of millions is not the only risk. By

2:36:492:36:54

tightening the noose around a

starving nation, Saudi Arabia is

2:36:542:36:58

fuelling the propaganda machines of

the very opponents it wishes to

2:36:582:37:02

vanquish. More than the collective

punishment of the Yemenis, it is

2:37:022:37:05

self harm on a grand scale. When I

went to northern Yemen, I visited a

2:37:052:37:13

school which had been bombed by the

Saudi air force. Children were being

2:37:132:37:19

taught inside of tents and buy

textbooks largely financed by the

2:37:192:37:23

British taxpayer. Children began to

chant in the way children doing our

2:37:232:37:30

primary schools, with nursery

rhymes. The translator told me that

2:37:302:37:33

they were chanting "Death to the

Saudis and Americans". But in

2:37:332:37:37

deference to my visit, they omitted

the third country on their list. So

2:37:372:37:44

far from helping to make Saudi

Arabian borders safer and

2:37:442:37:48

diminishing the threat of

international terrorism, we are

2:37:482:37:52

radicalising an entire generation of

Yemeni young people whose hatred of

2:37:522:37:56

asked for what we are doing to them

and their country may well translate

2:37:562:38:00

into a potent recruitment tool for,

I will give way in a moment, for

2:38:002:38:08

international terrorism. Every

action of the Saudis currently

2:38:082:38:13

bolsters and serves the narrative of

Saudi Arabia's enemies who want

2:38:132:38:17

Saudi Arabia to be seen as the

oppressor so that they win the

2:38:172:38:20

support of the general population. I

give way to the right honourable

2:38:202:38:24

gentleman who leads for the

all-party group on Yemen.

2:38:242:38:31

I am most grateful to the right

honourable gentleman forgiving way.

2:38:312:38:35

Can I congratulate him for securing

this very important debate. He was

2:38:352:38:39

present at the meeting earlier this

week when we heard from the Saudi

2:38:392:38:43

Arabian Foreign Minister and he

would have heard him say that the

2:38:432:38:46

Saudi Arabian government does not

believe this war can be won. What is

2:38:462:38:51

the point of continuing with the war

that cannot be won?

I turn now

2:38:512:39:00

directly to the position of Saudi

Arabia whose impressive Foreign

2:39:002:39:03

Minister generously came to the

House of Commons on Tuesday this

2:39:032:39:07

week as the right honourable

gentleman has said to speak to the

2:39:072:39:10

all-party group. During the course

of the conversation, the right

2:39:102:39:15

honourable gentleman the member for

Leicester and I were pretty

2:39:152:39:18

forthright and they asked for advice

making clear that Saudi Arabia had

2:39:182:39:22

not fought any of this nature

before. My advice is as follows.

2:39:222:39:27

There must be an immediate end to

this appalling blockades. Of course

2:39:272:39:31

working with the UN the Saudis are

within their rights to search

2:39:312:39:36

transport for weapons but they

cannot impound unobstructed vessels

2:39:362:39:40

carrying vital food and medical

supplies. There are currently 26

2:39:402:39:45

ships cleared by the UN which the

Saudis are refusing to allow to be

2:39:452:39:48

off-loaded. If the Saudis have

doubts about the effectiveness of

2:39:482:39:54

inspection that must be part of it

but there must be an immediate

2:39:542:39:59

ceasefire and a return to the

invigorated and inclusive peace

2:39:592:40:03

talks, a new Security Council

resolution is long overdue. It is

2:40:032:40:08

widely recognised that Security

Council resolution 22 as an

2:40:082:40:12

anachronism that constitutes a

barrier to any peace process and

2:40:122:40:16

there can be no preconditions by

either side. The Houthis add-in

2:40:162:40:21

control and they will not be easily

shifted and certainly not by an air

2:40:212:40:27

campaign which they after they

consolidate support for them on the

2:40:272:40:30

ground and directs the hatred of the

local population to those dropping

2:40:302:40:33

bombs on them. Nor did the Houthis

started as allies of the Iranians.

2:40:332:40:41

In a legion with my enemy 's enemy

is my friend it is not hard to

2:40:412:40:49

understand why the Houthis look to

run although given the blockaded is

2:40:492:40:53

not easy for a run to arm the

Houthis in any significant way. The

2:40:532:41:01

prolonging of the conflict and the

resulting cost to Saudi Arabia in

2:41:012:41:05

regional instability is a gift to

Iran.

My right honourable friend is

2:41:052:41:15

making an extremely powerful point

on the nature of the Houthis

2:41:152:41:19

armament but would you accept the

desserts that point very clearly to

2:41:192:41:22

the weapons that have come have come

through Yemen and are being used

2:41:222:41:28

against Saudi Arabia. Although he

makes the valid point that this is

2:41:282:41:31

only encouraging such violence,

would he not also accept that

2:41:312:41:37

Teheran is wilfully undermining and

destroying and Arabs date to use it

2:41:372:41:45

as a proxy against Saudi Arabia --

Arab states.

A blockade of weapons

2:41:452:41:52

coming in from any country, I am

condemning without resolution a

2:41:522:41:58

blockade which is likely to lead to

the famine and death of very large

2:41:582:42:05

numbers of people. The price for the

kingdom of Saudi Arabia continuing

2:42:052:42:08

on its current path will be certain

failure and utter humiliation both

2:42:082:42:14

in the region and more widely. The

clock is ticking, already in Yemen a

2:42:142:42:19

child dies every ten minutes. Yemen

is a time bomb is threatening

2:42:192:42:25

international peace and security.

Our failure to denounce these crimes

2:42:252:42:29

and use our leveraged to stop them

condemns millions of Yemenis to

2:42:292:42:33

death in the future, shying away

from demanding compliance by all to

2:42:332:42:40

the international rules -based order

that we in Britain helped take it

2:42:402:42:45

also weakens a strained system that

keeps British citizens said. British

2:42:452:42:50

policy is riddled with internal

inconsistencies. Well one wing is

2:42:502:42:55

desperately trying to get entry into

the ports, for a vital food and

2:42:552:43:00

fuel, another limb is assisting with

the blockade and targeting of

2:43:002:43:05

attacks. One limb supports the

election of new claims title for

2:43:052:43:11

unloading essential supplies and

another supports the destruction of

2:43:112:43:14

those cranes.

I am grateful to the

right honourable gentleman for doing

2:43:142:43:20

an excellent job explaining some of

the background to this conflict but

2:43:202:43:23

I will not have them stand in the

House of Commons and see that the

2:43:232:43:28

House of Commons is involved in the

targeting of weaponry being used by

2:43:282:43:31

the coalition. That is just not true

and I would like him to withdraw it.

2:43:312:43:37

If my late honourable friend will

give me an undertaking that it is

2:43:372:43:40

totally untrue that any serving

British officer has been engaged

2:43:402:43:43

with the targeting centre in any

part of Saudi Arabia to try and

2:43:432:43:49

assist in ensuring that the

targeting is better made, if he will

2:43:492:43:53

give me that undertaking then of

course I will withdraw my remark.

2:43:532:43:59

British personnel are there to

observe in relation to international

2:43:592:44:05

humanitarian law what is happening

so they can be part of the process

2:44:052:44:08

to make sure international

humanitarian law is adhered to. They

2:44:082:44:13

are not part of the operational

process, they're not under command

2:44:132:44:16

to do that and they're not taking

part in the targeting or in anything

2:44:162:44:20

like that and have not been so.

Just

be absolutely clear what my right

2:44:202:44:26

honourable friend is the House of

Commons today, there's no question

2:44:262:44:31

of any serving British officer being

engaged in obstructing and

2:44:312:44:35

assisting, certainly to ensure that

international humanitarian law is

2:44:352:44:41

observed, with the programme of

targeting that is being carried out

2:44:412:44:44

by the Saudi air force? If he gives

me that undertaking I am happy to

2:44:442:44:50

withdraw that very specific point. I

have never called for an arms

2:44:502:44:58

embargo because the kingdom is

surrounded by enemies and is very

2:44:582:45:01

wealthy. Saudi Arabia is absolutely

entitled to defend itself and we are

2:45:012:45:06

entitled to sell them weapons so

long as we do so in accordance with

2:45:062:45:11

one of the strictest licensing

regimes in the world. We may also

2:45:112:45:15

have some influence we can exercise

to ensure weapons are used in

2:45:152:45:19

accordance with the rules of war. I

cannot help observing that British

2:45:192:45:24

munitions are causing destruction

and misery in Yemen which the other

2:45:242:45:28

limb of the British government I

referred to earlier is seeking to

2:45:282:45:33

staunch the aid and assistance paid

for by the British taxpayer. I have

2:45:332:45:36

no doubt that the British Prime

Minister will use every British

2:45:362:45:42

political and economic security

argument available to her on her

2:45:422:45:44

current visit to the Middle East to

persuade the Saudis of the moral and

2:45:442:45:49

strategic failure of the strategy

they are pursuing in Yemen. I firmly

2:45:492:45:54

hope the lifting of the blockade in

Yemen will be the number one

2:45:542:45:58

priority on her visit. We must use

every inch of our leveraged,

2:45:582:46:03

diplomatic, political and economic,

to demonstrate to our allies they

2:46:032:46:07

have more to gain from peace than a

fruitless military strategy that is

2:46:072:46:12

exacerbating the world's largest

humanitarian catastrophe and

2:46:122:46:17

undermining the international rules

-based order that keeps us all safe.

2:46:172:46:26

I am very grateful for giving way

again. Given that the United

2:46:262:46:32

Nations's panel and experts in

Yemen's final report found that the

2:46:322:46:39

coalition constructed the strikes in

violation of international

2:46:392:46:42

humanitarian law and given the

criteria of rules governing arms

2:46:422:46:49

sales, isn't that about every

problem if the UK Government doesn't

2:46:492:46:53

pause those sales, which is what I

called for when I was occupying the

2:46:532:46:58

position of Shadow Foreign

Secretary, since we have an

2:46:582:47:02

obligation to see those claims

investigated, otherwise isn't there

2:47:022:47:04

a risk that those sales are in

breach of our own rules?

I agree

2:47:042:47:11

that it is important that these

incidents are investigated and that

2:47:112:47:18

the ad investigated impartially

because otherwise the investigation

2:47:182:47:19

will carry no credence. I have

completed my remarks that I was

2:47:192:47:26

going to make today. It is just

worth adding the point that I have

2:47:262:47:32

steered away from our debate on an

arms embargo because I think it

2:47:322:47:36

takes a variety of the critical role

to date which is that we must have

2:47:362:47:41

an end for humanitarian reasons and

reasons for international

2:47:412:47:44

humanitarian law to this blockade.

The question is that this house has

2:47:442:47:52

considered the current situation in

Yemen.

Thank you, I am very grateful

2:47:522:47:59

to the speaker for granting this

debate. May begin by congratulating

2:47:592:48:04

the right honourable member for

Sutton Coldfield on securing this

2:48:042:48:07

debate with a speech that was

nothing less than a tour de force

2:48:072:48:11

and I congratulate him and I mean

it. What we're talking about has

2:48:112:48:18

been widely recognised as the

world's biggest humanitarian crisis

2:48:182:48:21

and it threatens to become one of

the worst such crises for decades

2:48:212:48:27

and sort seems to me that an

emergency debate in the

2:48:272:48:30

circumstances is more than

appropriate and it is regrettable in

2:48:302:48:34

many ways that this house is not

packed. The war in Yemen has been

2:48:342:48:40

called on too many occasions a

forgotten war and indeed it is. The

2:48:402:48:44

role we play and it is an important

one and one that these to be more

2:48:442:48:48

widely acknowledged. Since the

statement on the crisis ten days ago

2:48:482:48:55

it is welcome that we have some

partial easing of the blockade on

2:48:552:49:00

ports and airports to some

consignments of food and medical

2:49:002:49:03

supplies to be brought into rebel

held areas, but as has been said by

2:49:032:49:07

the member for Sutton Coldfield, it

is not nearly enough to address the

2:49:072:49:12

scale of the humanitarian needs,

hundreds of thousands of entirely

2:49:122:49:17

innocent children are still facing

death over the coming weeks due to

2:49:172:49:21

malnutrition and disease. If they

don't get the food, clean water and

2:49:212:49:26

medical supplies they need to

survive, and get them in the

2:49:262:49:31

quantities required, we know what

will happen. And for those children

2:49:312:49:34

to get the relief they need, all

parties must be willing to do

2:49:342:49:38

whatever it takes, including the

complete cessation of violence, the

2:49:382:49:43

film lifting of the blockades, the

of humanitarian corridors overland

2:49:432:49:48

in the guaranteeing of safe passages

for aid convoys, so I hope the

2:49:482:49:54

Minister of State will be able to

update us today on what is being

2:49:542:49:56

done to achieve those ends. We all

understand the backdrop to this

2:49:562:50:02

current crisis. We understand the

anger of the Saudi government at the

2:50:022:50:06

filing of a ballistic missile at the

own country by the Houthis Revels on

2:50:062:50:13

the 4th of November and all of us on

the side of the House unequivocally

2:50:132:50:18

condemn in the same way we condemn

the Saudi air strike on the first N

2:50:182:50:24

which killed 31 people including six

children at a market. Both sides are

2:50:242:50:32

guilty of attacking civilians, both

sides should be equally condemned

2:50:322:50:34

for doing so, and in due course both

sides should be held to account for

2:50:342:50:41

any violations of international

humanitarian law. Following the

2:50:412:50:45

Houthis missile strike, the Saudis

strengthened their blockade of old

2:50:452:50:52

rebel held areas of Yemen and as a

result what little supplies were

2:50:522:50:59

food, medicine and other

humanitarian goods were chalked off

2:50:592:51:01

for at least three and remained just

as an adequate trickle today. --

2:51:012:51:11

inadequate. That damage done to

those already facing severe

2:51:112:51:15

malnutrition and a cholera epidemic

and an outbreak of diphtheria will,

2:51:152:51:20

as the UN has said, be measured in

the lives lost. As the world health

2:51:202:51:25

programme, world food programme and

Unicef made clear, the tightening of

2:51:252:51:30

the blockade has made an already

catastrophic situation for worse.

2:51:302:51:36

They concluded that to deprive this

many from the basic means of

2:51:362:51:40

survival is an unconscionable act

and a violation of humanitarian

2:51:402:51:46

principles and law. And in that

context I must go back to the

2:51:462:51:51

question that was asked by my right

honourable friend the member for

2:51:512:51:56

Leeds North ten days ago, how does

the government view this month's

2:51:562:52:01

blockade as compatible with

international humanitarian law? A

2:52:012:52:03

body of law that clearly states the

starvation of civilian populations

2:52:032:52:08

cannot be used as a weapon of war

and any blockade is established for

2:52:082:52:13

military purposes must allow a

civilian population access to the

2:52:132:52:18

food and other essential supplies

that they need to live.

2:52:182:52:26

The situation, obviously, in Yemen,

is catastrophic. Would she not agree

2:52:262:52:32

that the main component of that is

the collapse of the economic system

2:52:322:52:34

within Yemen?

However we got here,

it cannot be made better with a

2:52:342:52:46

blockade and millions of starving

children. It is my view and indeed I

2:52:462:52:50

believe the view of this house that

the blockade should be lifted and

2:52:502:52:53

that we should and must find a peace

process and a way of moving sides

2:52:532:53:01

apart and allowing these children to

survive over the winter. So, when a

2:53:012:53:07

tactic of surrender or survive is

used, when it was used by the

2:53:072:53:13

president aside in Syria, the

Foreign Secretary was quite happy to

2:53:132:53:16

condemn it that he has uttered not a

single word of criticism when the

2:53:162:53:21

same tactic has been used by his

friend, Crown Prince alarm of Saudi

2:53:212:53:26

Arabia, the architect of the Yemen

conflict, or as they like to call

2:53:262:53:33

him "A remarkable young man". Let me

ask specifically that while the

2:53:332:53:37

blockade was fully in place over the

last three weeks, apparently in

2:53:372:53:42

clear breach of international

humanitarian law, were any export

2:53:422:53:46

licences granted for the sale of

arms from the UK to the Saudi led

2:53:462:53:49

coalition? And when my honourable

friend and colleague raised this

2:53:492:53:54

issue last week, the Ministry of

State -- Minister of State seem to

2:53:542:53:59

indicate that the blockade was

justified, because of the smuggling

2:53:592:54:04

of missiles to the Houthi rebels but

I ask why he disagrees with the

2:54:042:54:11

confidential briefing. And

circulated on the 10th of November.

2:54:112:54:17

That briefing has been referred to

already but let me quote from it

2:54:172:54:20

again. The panel finds that

imposition of access restrictions is

2:54:202:54:25

another attempt by the Saudi

coalition to use resolution to 216

2:54:252:54:30

as justification for obstructing the

delivery of commodities that are

2:54:302:54:35

essentially civilian in nature. They

go on to say that while the Houthis

2:54:352:54:43

undoubtably

2:54:432:54:46

possessed ballistics missiles, there

have been none seem transferred by

2:54:512:54:57

external sources. If they disagree

with that assessment, and I

2:54:572:55:00

understand that he does, could he

stayed the evidence upon which he

2:55:002:55:04

does so? Will he undertake to share

that evidence with a UN panel of

2:55:042:55:09

experts, but if there is no such

evidence, I ask him again. How can

2:55:092:55:14

the blockade be justified from the

perspective of international

2:55:142:55:17

humanitarian law? And how can the

government justify telling Saudi

2:55:172:55:23

Arabia selling Saudi Arabia the arms

that were used to enforce that

2:55:232:55:27

blockade? Mr Deputy Speaker, we know

that even if the blockade of Yemen's

2:55:272:55:35

ports is indeed permanently lifted,

the civilian population of Yemen

2:55:352:55:39

will continue to suffer as long as

the conflict carries on. The Only

2:55:392:55:44

Way Is Essex and will end is through

a lasting ceasefire and political

2:55:442:55:48

agreement. As the whole house knows,

it is the UK's ordained role to

2:55:482:55:52

actors pen holder for a UN ceasefire

resolution on Yemen. It's a matter I

2:55:522:55:59

have raised many times in this house

and I raise it again today. It's now

2:55:592:56:03

been one year and one month since

Britain's ambassador to the UN Mafi

2:56:032:56:09

Rycroft circulated Britain's draft

resolution, two other members of the

2:56:092:56:14

UN Security Council and this is what

he said. "We Have decided to put

2:56:142:56:21

forward a resolution calling for the

immediate cessation of hostilities

2:56:212:56:24

and a resumption of the political

process." That was a year and a

2:56:242:56:29

month ago and the resolution has

still not been presented. One year

2:56:292:56:34

and one month. When no progress has

been made towards peace, when the

2:56:342:56:38

conflict has continued to escalate

and the humanitarian crisis has

2:56:382:56:42

become the worst in the world. Of

other can I thank her very much for

2:56:422:56:50

what she is saying, 12 months have

elapsed since the promise of a

2:56:502:56:56

resolution before the United

Nations.

The meeting of the Quint

2:56:562:56:59

was last night in London. The

Foreign Secretary tweeted a

2:56:592:57:04

photograph of himself with those

participating but there is no

2:57:042:57:08

timetable. Does she agree with me,

that these meetings are meaningless

2:57:082:57:12

without it timetable for peace, with

all of the parties at the table at

2:57:122:57:16

the same time?

By right honourable

friend is quite right. Mafi Rycroft,

2:57:162:57:30

he says now, he says the political

track is that a dead-end. There is

2:57:302:57:34

no meaningful political process

going on. If we are wrong about

2:57:342:57:40

that, we would be very grateful for

reassurance from the ministers to.

2:57:402:57:44

But we have been waiting, and

waiting. And children are dying. We

2:57:442:57:49

have to do something about it. We

are bound to ask, for example, what

2:57:492:57:55

has happened to the draft

resolution? Why has it been killed

2:57:552:57:59

off? Has it been killed off? Is it,

as the Saudi ambassador to the UN

2:57:592:58:06

said, when he was first asked about

the draft resolution this time last

2:58:062:58:12

year, he said "There is a continuous

and joint agreement with Britain

2:58:122:58:16

concerning the draft resolution and

whether there is a need for it or

2:58:162:58:20

not. Now, we must ask the Minister

of the, is that continuous and in

2:58:202:58:26

joint agreement with the Saudi

Arabia still in place? And, if so,

2:58:262:58:32

why has it never been disclosed to

the house? The fear is that Saudi

2:58:322:58:38

Arabia does not want a ceasefire.

There is no ceasefire in negotiating

2:58:382:58:43

a peace, not when Crown Prince

Salman believes that rebellion can

2:58:432:58:49

still be crushed, no matter the

humanitarian cost, and if he does

2:58:492:58:53

believe that, are we really to

accept that the UK Government is

2:58:532:58:57

going along with that judgment? I

know that the Minister is a will, of

2:58:572:59:03

course, point to the peace where

they say that this is evidence to

2:59:032:59:12

move the political process forward.

But, Mr Deputy Speaker, when the

2:59:122:59:17

only participants in the peace for

our Saudi Arabia, two of its allies

2:59:172:59:21

and two of the countries supplying

most of the arms, that is not a

2:59:212:59:26

peace Forum, if I may respectfully

suggest, but far from being a peace

2:59:262:59:30

Forum, it is a council of war. What

we really need, what we urgently

2:59:302:59:35

need, and what we have needed for

more than one year and a month, is

2:59:352:59:39

the moral and political force which

comes from a UN Security Council

2:59:392:59:46

resolution obliging all parties to

cease hostilities. Obliging all

2:59:462:59:52

parties to allow humanitarian

relief, and obliging all parties to

2:59:522:59:57

work towards a political solution.

And, in closing, can I ask the

2:59:573:00:02

Minister of State, how much longer

do we have two weight? When will the

3:00:023:00:08

government finally bring forward the

resolution, and if the answer to

3:00:083:00:13

that is that because of opposition

from the Saudis and the Americans,

3:00:133:00:16

that they will never present a

resolution, do they not at least owe

3:00:163:00:22

it to the fellow members of the UN

Security Council and indeed to the

3:00:223:00:27

members of this house. And indeed to

the children of Yemen, to admit that

3:00:273:00:32

the role of pen holder on Yemen is

no longer a role that they can, in

3:00:323:00:39

good conscience, occupy? They should

pass on the role the role of

3:00:393:00:43

drafting a resolution to another

country which is less joint at the

3:00:433:00:46

hip to be Crown Prince Salman and

President Donald Trump, and let me

3:00:463:00:53

close by quitting my honourable

friend the Leader of the Opposition

3:00:533:00:56

in his last letter to the Prime

Minister on the subject of Yemen. He

3:00:563:01:00

said while the immediate priority

should be humanitarian assistance,

3:01:003:01:04

it is time the government takes

immediate steps to play its part in

3:01:043:01:08

ending the suffering of the Yemeni

people, and ending its support of

3:01:083:01:12

the Saudi coalition 's conduct in

the war, and taking appropriate

3:01:123:01:17

action through the UN. To bring the

conflict to a peaceful and

3:01:173:01:24

negotiated resolution. They are

three tests on whether the

3:01:243:01:27

government is willing to take action

today and I hope by the end of this

3:01:273:01:30

emergency debate we will have an

indication of whether they are going

3:01:303:01:33

to take that action or whether it is

just going to be more of the same.

3:01:333:01:43

Thank you, Mr Deputy Speaker. I am

grateful to my right honourable

3:01:433:01:50

member the member for Sutton

Coldfield for securing the

3:01:503:01:52

opportunity to discuss what we all

understand to be a significant

3:01:523:01:57

humanitarian crisis in Yemen. I

appreciate that he then agriculture

3:01:573:02:02

visited Yemen earlier this year and

has a deep and passionate knowledge

3:02:023:02:05

of the situation. There are a number

of things to get through in terms of

3:02:053:02:10

questions that have come up but let

me start with the issue that tends

3:02:103:02:15

to be most neglected, the origins of

the conflict. We seem to start these

3:02:153:02:19

debates partway through and although

I will get to the questions raised,

3:02:193:02:23

I think it is important to set out

the background because it explains

3:02:233:02:28

the complexity with which a number

of members have approached the

3:02:283:02:32

issue, because it isn't quite as

clear-cut as some suggest. The

3:02:323:02:37

causes of the conflict are numerous

and complex, since unification in

3:02:373:02:42

1990, Yemen has suffered internal

power struggles, and rest and terror

3:02:423:02:47

attacks. After a year of protest in

2011, the 33 year rule transferred

3:02:473:02:53

as part of the unity government

broke -- brokered with regional

3:02:533:03:00

support. It was the opportunity for

a democratic future but tragically

3:03:003:03:05

the opportunity was lost when the

Houthi insurgency movement, claimed

3:03:053:03:08

to have been excluded from the

National dialogue process, sought to

3:03:083:03:12

take power through violence. In

September 2014, rebels took the

3:03:123:03:17

capital with force, forcing the

president to flee. President Hardy,

3:03:173:03:26

he is the internationally recognised

leader of the government of Yemen

3:03:263:03:28

and he requested help from the Saudi

government coalition. Backed by the

3:03:283:03:34

coalition and the Houthis and allies

backed by President Soller, so far

3:03:343:03:39

has lasted 1000 days. Attacks

carried out by Al-Qaeda, Daesh and

3:03:393:03:45

non-state groups against the Yemeni

people, using ungoverned space where

3:03:453:03:51

Yemen has been in the past and

threaten to become again. The impact

3:03:513:03:55

of conflict and terrorism on the

Yemeni people has been devastating.

3:03:553:04:00

Let me read a letter sent to the

house today from the ambassador to

3:04:003:04:04

the Republic of Yemen to the United

Kingdom. He says, I represent the

3:04:043:04:09

government of Yemen which came to

power after the popular overthrow

3:04:093:04:12

after the former popular dictator.

It is mandated and constitutionally

3:04:123:04:21

legitimate, driven by Houthi

militias, and the Arab coalition is

3:04:213:04:27

in Yemen at our request, to restore

constitutional government and

3:04:273:04:32

reverse the Houthi coup, actions

which undermine that coalition

3:04:323:04:35

undermine us. In the last two weeks,

the Houthis added extra taxes and

3:04:353:04:40

custom points which increase prices

in areas under their control by more

3:04:403:04:45

than 100%. The Yemeni government

sell a gallon of petrol in cities

3:04:453:04:53

under government control, but in

Houthi controlled areas it costs

3:04:533:05:00

much less. The prices of wheat and

flour cost much less. These areas

3:05:003:05:06

are under siege, preventing anything

from going in. Last week, an entire

3:05:063:05:15

family were executed at the hands of

Houthi and men. We have an

3:05:153:05:20

obligation, the ambassador says, as

a government to protect our

3:05:203:05:23

citizens. I start there because all

too often that side of the

3:05:233:05:27

discussion is just not raced at all.

I take credit -- I paid credit to my

3:05:273:05:33

right honourable friend for saying

there are two sides to this because

3:05:333:05:39

it is important to understand what

is going on there and what is to be

3:05:393:05:46

prevented and stopped by a coalition

acting in support of a legitimate UN

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mandated government. That brings us

to the situation which we can

3:05:503:05:57

discuss in terms of our role and

what is happening at present.

You

3:05:573:06:06

make a very valid point but isn't

its validity of reinforced by the

3:06:063:06:11

point that the house should uphold

the law of a democratic government,

3:06:113:06:15

as well as trying to bring peace and

alleviate the situation, of the

3:06:153:06:20

humanitarian crisis in Yemen? And,

yes, the honourable gentleman is

3:06:203:06:26

right. Absolutely, the role of the

United Kingdom is to do what it can

3:06:263:06:31

in these circumstances. Firstly to

address the urgency of this

3:06:313:06:39

humanitarian situation but there is

a point here which is seen to be

3:06:393:06:42

missed. A legitimate government

fighting against an insurgency has

3:06:423:06:48

been joined by others, and that is

the basis of the conflict. The

3:06:483:06:54

United Kingdom has been, I think,

the part of the debate up to date

3:06:543:06:57

that I find up until now, by my

honourable friend in the member

3:06:573:07:05

upset about the UK's role and what

we have been trying to do, whereas I

3:07:053:07:10

am well aware from the time that I

have been back in the office in the

3:07:103:07:13

summer and what was done before,

significant efforts made by the

3:07:133:07:17

United Kingdom at the UN but

principally through the negotiation

3:07:173:07:21

process with the party's most

involved to try and bring things to

3:07:213:07:25

a conclusion and to do all we can in

relation to the humanitarian a fact.

3:07:253:07:29

Let me address the UK role in this

because it leaves me to talk about

3:07:293:07:34

some of the allegations made by my

right honourable friend and to make

3:07:343:07:37

clear what it is we do and don't.

Then I can address the humanitarian

3:07:373:07:41

situation if I may.

3:07:413:07:51

The Saudi led coalition responded to

the call. The United Kingdom is not

3:07:513:07:57

party to that conflict not a member

of the military coalition. They are

3:07:573:08:00

not involved in carrying out strikes

directed at operations in Yemen.

3:08:003:08:05

Royal air force and Royal Navy

liaison monitors monitor Saudi led

3:08:053:08:11

coalition movements and supply

information. The liaison officers

3:08:113:08:17

are not embedded personnel, not

involved in carrying out strikes, do

3:08:173:08:20

not direct to conduct operations and

are not involved in the Saudi led

3:08:203:08:26

coalition targeting decision-making

process. They remain under UK

3:08:263:08:29

command and control. Sensitive

information provided is used by the

3:08:293:08:36

headquarters and MOD officials when

providing advice on Saudi led

3:08:363:08:38

coalition capability and when

conducting analysis on incidents of

3:08:383:08:43

potential concern which results from

the Saudi led coalition in Yemen.

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The operations director maintains a

database referred to as the tracker

3:08:503:08:54

which records incidents and

subsequent analysis. We are tracking

3:08:543:08:59

318 incidents of potential concern

and this is used to inform the MOD's

3:08:593:09:03

advice.

I thank my right honourable

friend for allowing me to intervene.

3:09:033:09:13

I have visited the command and

control centre. It is true that

3:09:133:09:19

royal air force personnel are

present. They are not involved in

3:09:193:09:21

the targeting but when I spoke to

them, part of the role seemed to be

3:09:213:09:25

to try to help the Saudis and their

allies ensure that the rules of

3:09:253:09:32

engagement for such that minimum

casualties. The intention was to get

3:09:323:09:39

the rules of engagement as good as

their own and that seemed to be

3:09:393:09:43

something they were being quite

successful at when I was out there.

3:09:433:09:48

I am grateful for his personal

observations. My right honourable

3:09:483:09:52

friend also raised the issue of arms

control. Let me answer. The issue of

3:09:523:10:00

arms control. We have a rigorous

legal and parliamentary process but

3:10:003:10:07

making sure that international

humanitarian law has not breached is

3:10:073:10:12

clearly a vital part of that and the

information supplied, that is why

3:10:123:10:15

they are there, is crucial to try to

make sure that our international

3:10:153:10:20

obligations are observed. I will

give way.

I am most grateful. This

3:10:203:10:29

debate above all is about the

humanitarian consequences and it is

3:10:293:10:34

clear, as the UN Secretary General

has said, that Saudi Arabia is in

3:10:343:10:39

breach not only of resolution 2216

but of international humanitarian

3:10:393:10:42

law. Can I say to my right

honourable friend who is a

3:10:423:10:48

long-standing personal friend, he

may be in danger of having misled

3:10:483:10:50

the House in his response to me

about the role of British

3:10:503:10:54

servicemen. Would he like to correct

the record and use this opportunity

3:10:543:10:58

to make very clear, because

otherwise what he said may be open

3:10:583:11:05

to misinterpretation?

As I don't

quite know what bit of what I said

3:11:053:11:10

the right honourable gentleman is

referring to, I have read it the

3:11:103:11:15

details in relation to our work. I

cannot see anything different than

3:11:153:11:20

that I have said anything which he

thinks is wrong he can either

3:11:203:11:23

correct me know or at the end of the

debate is only as an opportunity to

3:11:233:11:27

say something else but I have put on

the record what situation is. If you

3:11:273:11:33

think that is misleading I am here

to be corrected but I am leaving out

3:11:333:11:37

what I think is the government's

position very clearly.

I wonder if

3:11:373:11:44

the honourable gentleman to clarify

something which is always genuinely

3:11:443:11:47

confused me about the role of the

military in Saudi Arabia. The first

3:11:473:11:55

question, is there just one

targeting Centre resident connect

3:11:553:11:57

that is another in the South? Our

personnel involved in the south and

3:11:573:12:02

are there people from BAE Systems in

the South? If they are supposed to

3:12:023:12:10

be there to ensure international

human Italian law breached, what are

3:12:103:12:13

they doing? Are making sure

targeting is better but they are not

3:12:133:12:19

targeting? If they are making sure

targeting is better, how was it

3:12:193:12:23

there are so many civilian targets

that seemed to be hit?

The answer to

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the last part comes out through the

investigations that are done on

3:12:303:12:33

those incidents where there is

legitimate concern that there might

3:12:333:12:40

have been civilian casualties. That

is where information comes through.

3:12:403:12:43

This is a process that has been

begun by the coalition. They didn't

3:12:433:12:49

have this in place in the beginning.

We have provided advice in order to

3:12:493:12:53

give information to us about what

has happened but also to assist in

3:12:533:12:58

the process of ensuring that in the

targeting which the coalition

3:12:583:13:04

carries out it is legitimate

military targets, there are

3:13:043:13:08

thousands of places which are deemed

not to be targets. As in any sort of

3:13:083:13:13

conflict, one of the reasons why my

late honourable friend was safe,

3:13:133:13:17

indications as to where there should

not be attacks, and I believe we

3:13:173:13:21

have been part that process, to make

sure that the coalition understands

3:13:213:13:27

what the international rules of

engagement are. I cannot answer the

3:13:273:13:30

questions directly, I just don't

know the answer but I have noted

3:13:303:13:34

what the honourable lady has said

and will come back to that. I would

3:13:343:13:38

like to move on to the humanitarian,

but as always.

Since the House

3:13:383:13:46

understands the government's

position to be that it does not feel

3:13:463:13:49

that there have been breaches of

international humanitarian law,

3:13:493:13:53

because otherwise it would have to

invoke the arms-control criteria,

3:13:533:13:58

and given that the United Nations

panel of experts I quoted earlier

3:13:583:14:01

was of the view that breaches of

international humanitarian law had

3:14:013:14:04

taken place, did he tell the House

what other sources of information

3:14:043:14:09

the government has drawn upon

enriching the conclusion it has and

3:14:093:14:15

does that include the view of the

military officers who are offering

3:14:153:14:19

the advice he has just described to

the House?

Certainly, the

3:14:193:14:28

observations of those whose role it

is to see what is happening in order

3:14:283:14:34

to report on potential breaches

international humanitarian law are

3:14:343:14:38

clearly a vital part of that

process. There will be other more

3:14:383:14:42

sensitive information which I won't

go into but clearly there is a

3:14:423:14:47

process designed to give the

assurance to all of us that in a

3:14:473:14:51

difficult situation would we have

continued to support an ally under

3:14:513:14:54

attack from external sources,

engaged in an effort to restore the

3:14:543:15:00

legitimate government, that in doing

so, and to support such an effort,

3:15:003:15:05

we have done what is right to make

sure the lot is observed and

3:15:053:15:11

international humanitarian law is

observed. We have used all the

3:15:113:15:14

information made available to us so

we are sure of the circumstances.

3:15:143:15:19

Should that be challenged and it is

possible to challenge it through the

3:15:193:15:22

House and through the courts, then

the circumstances would change. If I

3:15:223:15:28

may, then I want to do with the

humanitarian side.

I am so grateful.

3:15:283:15:36

The question that I asked as well, I

understand that perhaps some of the

3:15:363:15:41

information may be sensitive but is

the British government therefore any

3:15:413:15:44

position to share the information

they have that makes them so

3:15:443:15:48

confident there have been no

breaches of international

3:15:483:15:51

humanitarian law with the United

Nations panel of experts who seem to

3:15:513:15:55

be coming to a different conclusion.

The initial responsibility to

3:15:553:16:02

investigate any incidents relies

what the state involved and that is

3:16:023:16:07

what these investigations are. I

genuinely don't know the process of

3:16:073:16:10

transferring that information should

the UN request to see it but again I

3:16:103:16:15

will have an answer. I would like to

talk about both the blockade and the

3:16:153:16:22

humanitarian response. I am sorry, I

know that has been an instruction to

3:16:223:16:27

try to be tight but I will be as

tight on time as I can. Let me deal

3:16:273:16:34

with the issue of the restrictions

brought in after the missile attack

3:16:343:16:41

of the 4th of November. Let me deal

firstly with the issue of where that

3:16:413:16:46

has come from. The honourable lady

asked me again whether we disagreed

3:16:463:16:50

with the UN assessment and we do.

The reason we do that was a draft

3:16:503:16:55

assessment written time ago. I think

there's a possibility of a different

3:16:553:17:02

assessment being made by the UN

which is not yet public. The United

3:17:023:17:07

Kingdom is quite confident there is

sufficient evidence to indicate it

3:17:073:17:10

comes from an external source and

that it is not the honourable lady

3:17:103:17:14

and others can answer with a missile

that came from in Yemen but it is

3:17:143:17:17

quite clear to us that it came from

an external source so we disagree.

3:17:173:17:31

The response of the coalition in

terms of a direct attack was sharp

3:17:323:17:36

and severe. It wanted to be in a

position where it would protect

3:17:363:17:42

itself and in doing so produced the

restrictions on the ports in order

3:17:423:17:46

to control what was coming in. It is

the United Kingdom's clear position

3:17:463:17:51

where we don't disagree with what my

late honourable friend said and what

3:17:513:17:54

the honourable lady said. There is

an imperative to relieve those

3:17:543:17:59

restrictions and I'm not going to

dance on the head of the pen. If the

3:17:593:18:03

members want to call it a blockade

it is. What has to happen is that

3:18:033:18:10

has to be accessed both and

commercial supplies to get in in

3:18:103:18:14

order to feed the people. As my late

honourable friend said and the House

3:18:143:18:18

knows well, the vast amount that

comes in is not humanitarian aid but

3:18:183:18:26

ordinarily commercial stuff. We have

been clear from the beginning that

3:18:263:18:31

it was the United Kingdom's view

that they should be lifted and we

3:18:313:18:34

have maintained that consistently,

to be told that we have not done

3:18:343:18:38

enough is just wrong. As evidence of

some degree of success, as the House

3:18:383:18:44

knows there was some easing of the

restrictions. In a moment, but not

3:18:443:18:50

enough, and I will of course, but

let me finish this one bit. Just to

3:18:503:18:58

explain the current position.

Humanitarian and commercial vessels

3:18:583:18:59

are beginning to enter, this is an

update which I will be happy to let

3:18:593:19:05

the House have but it is either

update. Humanitarian and commercial

3:19:053:19:09

vessels are beginning to enter the

ports and since Sunday three vessels

3:19:093:19:13

have arrived and are being unloaded

including commercial vessels

3:19:133:19:19

carrying 5500 metric tonnes and

29,500 metric tonnes of wheat and

3:19:193:19:24

flour. One humanitarian vessel has

also arrived with supplies to

3:19:243:19:29

support 8 million people for one

month and 25,000 metric tonnes of

3:19:293:19:35

food. Approximately 23 vessels have

been cleared although not yet

3:19:353:19:39

permitted to unload. It is essential

they are permitted to unload and

3:19:393:19:44

they're making representations to

that effect. The fact there has been

3:19:443:19:48

some movement on this in response to

representations made by amongst

3:19:483:19:52

others the British government at the

highest level would indicate that

3:19:523:19:56

there is some listening going on to

the urgency of relieving the

3:19:563:20:00

humanitarian situation whilst at the

same time recognising the need for

3:20:003:20:06

security for those threatened by

missiles targeted at their

3:20:063:20:09

commercial airports.

I will of

course give way. Can I thank the

3:20:093:20:15

Minister and welcome the fact he has

described this as a blockade. If the

3:20:153:20:20

blockade is not lifted completely,

what is his estimate of how close

3:20:203:20:24

Yemen is to famine?

There are

different reports depending on where

3:20:243:20:33

the areas are. Some areas have run

out of fuel already. Five cities.

3:20:333:20:38

When you run out of fuel you cannot

maintain the power supplies and

3:20:383:20:42

sanitation and things like that so

that is acute. Food supplies in most

3:20:423:20:47

areas on average appear to be

better, maybe in terms of months,

3:20:473:20:51

but that won't apply to every area

because some will be worse than

3:20:513:20:56

others. Again, for the benefit of

the House, a minister will not stand

3:20:563:21:01

here and say because we can measure

it in a few more days it is less

3:21:013:21:04

urgent. It is not. This is

absolutely top of the priorities.

3:21:043:21:10

What the United Kingdom has sought

to do in a variety of different ways

3:21:103:21:15

has been to make clear the

importance both of responding to the

3:21:153:21:19

security needs of the coalition but

also the humanitarian. Let me put

3:21:193:21:25

this on the record because it is

important. One fifth of November, a

3:21:253:21:31

Foreign and Commonwealth Office

statement condemned the missile

3:21:313:21:34

attack, on 13th of November my right

honourable friend spoke to Mark

3:21:343:21:40

Pocock of the UN as to the

situation. An FCO statement stressed

3:21:403:21:48

the need for immediate humanitarian

and commercial access. 1/16 of

3:21:483:21:51

November I spoke to the UAE Minister

of State. On 20th November I spoke

3:21:513:21:58

to the House and on the 21st I spoke

to the Saudi Arabian Foreign

3:21:583:22:03

Minister. One 23rd the Foreign

Minister spoke to the Saudi Arabian

3:22:033:22:08

crown Prince. On the 29th, as we

speak, the Prime Minister visited

3:22:083:22:17

Riyadh and she said and I can speak

from her speech today, I am also

3:22:173:22:22

clear that the flow of commercial

supplies in which the country

3:22:223:22:25

depends must be resumed as we are to

avoid a humanitarian catastrophe.

3:22:253:22:31

During my discussions last night, we

agreed that steps needed to be taken

3:22:313:22:35

as a matter of urgency to address

this and that he would take forward

3:22:353:22:39

more detailed discussions as to how

this can be achieved. Following the

3:22:393:22:44

Foreign Secretary's hosted talks in

London this week we can also

3:22:443:22:47

intensify efforts with all parties

to bring a political settlement that

3:22:473:22:51

will sustain security for Saudi

Arabia, the coalition and Yemen.

3:22:513:22:59

For the House to feel in anyway that

there is not a serious response to

3:22:593:23:04

the catastrophic situation, which

the Right Honourable gentleman with

3:23:043:23:07

passion and determination, has set

out, is not correct. We are doing

3:23:073:23:11

everything we can at the highest

level in order to deal with the

3:23:113:23:16

humanitarian crisis, and also to

deal with the security. Yes.

I am

3:23:163:23:23

grateful to my Right Honourable

friend for giving way and I am

3:23:233:23:26

particularly grateful for the

powerful words he has just read out

3:23:263:23:29

from the Prime Minister in Riyadh

last night. Those will be welcomed

3:23:293:23:35

throughout the House of Commons. I

think the butt of the argument,

3:23:353:23:39

which he is trying to address, is

this. The House feels, I am sure,

3:23:393:23:44

that the extent of the crisis, and

the response of the government, I'm

3:23:443:23:49

not equal. The crisis that we have

described today, the humanitarian

3:23:493:23:53

crisis, I have no political

description for what the political

3:23:533:23:57

answer is, but the humanitarian

crisis and breaches of the

3:23:573:24:00

international humanitarian law are

so egregious that they call for it

3:24:003:24:05

tougher and firmer response from Her

Majesty's government.

Mr Deputy

3:24:053:24:11

Speaker, we are getting to the nub

of it now, we are all actually

3:24:113:24:15

agreed on this. We know how serious

it is. I have set out what we have

3:24:153:24:20

been trying to do. If there was

another lever to pull that would

3:24:203:24:26

deal with the situation, the Right

Honourable gentleman just said I

3:24:263:24:29

don't know what the political

process is, but if there was another

3:24:293:24:33

lever to pull we would pull it but

that's not the case. The best lever

3:24:333:24:36

to pull is this. The negotiations

process we have discussed. We don't

3:24:363:24:42

think this can be done through the

UN because it's much better to be

3:24:423:24:45

dealing with the parties who have

the opportunity and the

3:24:453:24:49

responsibility on both sides to get

something done around the table. The

3:24:493:24:56

Honourable Lady rightly described

the process the other day of the

3:24:563:25:00

talks were a number of states were

involved, it was unfair and on

3:25:003:25:04

reflection to call it a war council

is absolutely wrong. It contained

3:25:043:25:08

the Omanis, they would be deeply

upset with that reference. It

3:25:083:25:13

involved those who have the risk

done a capacity not only to make the

3:25:133:25:18

decisions on one side on the

coalition, but to make sure that

3:25:183:25:20

negotiations on the other side of

the Ruth and Yemeni allies are

3:25:203:25:25

strange from the UN process by their

own decision for many months, get

3:25:253:25:28

re-engaged. -- Houthis. And to have

some parties there who can do it

3:25:283:25:37

including the UN, that's the purpose

of the talks the United Kingdom lead

3:25:373:25:40

because that's the only way, as

colleagues recognised, the only way

3:25:403:25:44

to end the humanitarian suffering

longer term and for the conflict for

3:25:443:25:48

the parties to agree upon it, is not

a military solution, it's a

3:25:483:25:54

political solution and that's what

the United Kingdom has been doing

3:25:543:25:56

for some months and will continue to

until we get the answer.

I am

3:25:563:26:01

grateful to the Minister for giving

way. Can I thank him for updating

3:26:013:26:04

the House so regularly and engaging

with the all-party group, the

3:26:043:26:10

officers, the Honourable Lady for

Glasgow Central and myself on these

3:26:103:26:13

issues. But that is the issue, isn't

it? The meeting was yesterday, what

3:26:133:26:21

is the timetable to mandate the

Omanis to bring the Houthis to the

3:26:213:26:28

negotiating table so that we can

conclude this matter? That is the

3:26:283:26:31

issue.

And again, if we could have a

timetable we would have a timetable.

3:26:313:26:39

You can't. Because we're dealing

with people who are not yet parties

3:26:393:26:43

to this process, they have been and

need to be brought back into it. The

3:26:433:26:46

only words that can adequately

describe it are clearly as the House

3:26:463:26:50

would wish, as soon as is possible.

The Houthis should be re-engaged

3:26:503:26:54

with the UN with a process to start

the de-scale that will lead to the

3:26:543:27:00

end of the conflict and that's what

we have been doing and continue to

3:27:003:27:04

do. I must conclude, Mr Deputy

Speaker, because the House has been

3:27:043:27:08

generous in giving me a great deal

of time. I have not although I could

3:27:083:27:12

have done, said a lot about the

direct humanitarian aid which is

3:27:123:27:18

being delivered by the United

Kingdom, which is significant and

3:27:183:27:22

important. We have been working

consistently, £155 million has gone

3:27:223:27:29

in to support the people of Yemen,

being used through indirect agencies

3:27:293:27:34

with the UN and various NGOs and I

entirely concur with what my Right

3:27:343:27:39

Honourable friend said about the

bravery of those who are engaged. It

3:27:393:27:42

would help if the Yemeni government

would pay public health workers in

3:27:423:27:46

particular and then some of the work

that needs to be done to prevent the

3:27:463:27:49

return of cholera could be done and

it would assist the food

3:27:493:27:53

distribution. The aid agencies have

worked extremely hard in the

3:27:533:27:59

circumstances. The only thing that

will allow their work to be

3:27:593:28:01

effective, of course, is an end to

the conflict, which we are seeking

3:28:013:28:06

to do through the negotiations that

we are working so hard to achieve.

3:28:063:28:13

Although it has taken some time, and

although it is clear how strongly

3:28:133:28:18

those in the House today feel about

the issue and people outside, to

3:28:183:28:22

believe that there is more the

United Kingdom could do is to a

3:28:223:28:28

degree unfair but it doesn't matter

for the government and we must do

3:28:283:28:32

all we can. In terms of delivering

humanitarian aid and engaging with

3:28:323:28:35

the parties who can do something

about it, in terms of ensuring that

3:28:353:28:39

we are on the right side of the law,

should there be anything in the

3:28:393:28:43

record that needs corrected I can

assure my Right Honourable friend I

3:28:433:28:45

will do so, but I'm confident about

what I read out, but if there is

3:28:453:28:51

anything I need to correct I will do

so. We are seeking to do what we can

3:28:513:28:56

in this dreadful situation. The most

important thing is that there is a

3:28:563:28:59

continued release of the

restrictions on the ports. That is

3:28:593:29:04

what we are working towards at the

highest level, as you can tell from

3:29:043:29:08

the speech I read out from the Prime

Minister. I know that if we don't

3:29:083:29:12

achieve the aims we have set out to

do the House will bring us back

3:29:123:29:16

again.

Thank you, Mr Deputy Speaker.

I want to thank the member for

3:29:163:29:22

Sutton Coldfield for securing this

debate. I agree with much of what he

3:29:223:29:27

said and his expertise on this

matter is valuable. I agree with

3:29:273:29:30

much of what the Shadow Foreign

Secretary said what I pay tribute to

3:29:303:29:34

the member for Leicester East who is

steadfast in his work on the

3:29:343:29:38

all-party group on Yemen Commander

would like to take the opportunity

3:29:383:29:40

to pay tribute to the aid agencies

working incredibly difficult

3:29:403:29:44

situations for their own staff and

the people they are dealing with in

3:29:443:29:47

Yemen just now. The member for

Sutton Coldfield mentioned the

3:29:473:29:51

difficulties on reporting from Yemen

and I must say I rely heavily on

3:29:513:29:55

some of the first-hand testimony

coming through from Twitter as that

3:29:553:29:59

seems to be a reasonable way of

getting information out of the

3:29:593:30:02

country. I have mentioned in a

letter to the government before the

3:30:023:30:10

case of a man taken by the Houthis

on the 12th of August this year and

3:30:103:30:15

has yet to be seen again. I would

ask the government to do all they

3:30:153:30:19

can to secure the safety of

journalists in Yemen as well. Mr

3:30:193:30:22

Deputy Speaker come today I'm

missing the opening of a new

3:30:223:30:27

nursery, Silverdale Nursery. That

nursery has 140 places for children

3:30:273:30:32

under five and it struck me while

thinking about this that if 140

3:30:323:30:37

children were to die today we would

do something about that. If they

3:30:373:30:42

were to die tomorrow we would do

something about that. If it was

3:30:423:30:46

nurseries around the country where

130 children were dying, 130 under

3:30:463:30:54

fives were dying every day in Yemen,

we would do something about that,

3:30:543:30:56

urgently seriously. We would not

have our own children dying of a

3:30:563:31:01

very preventable cause of extreme

malnutrition and the disease that

3:31:013:31:07

takes hold so easily when those

children don't have the food and

3:31:073:31:12

resilience they need. A child is

dying every ten minutes in Yemen, Mr

3:31:123:31:16

Deputy Speaker. If you think about

the number have died since the

3:31:163:31:18

debate started that is a shocking

thing and we cannot accept that any

3:31:183:31:23

longer. It has been going on far too

long and we have a global

3:31:233:31:27

responsibility wherever they are to

make sure that they are safe, they

3:31:273:31:31

are fed and they will live a happy

and healthy life and anything we can

3:31:313:31:35

do to that end is something we must

and should do urgently. For those

3:31:353:31:38

children that survive, the impact

will be lasting. Millions of

3:31:383:31:44

children out of school and they

don't have a nursery to go to, Mr

3:31:443:31:47

Deputy Speaker. They are living with

stunting, a lifelong condition, that

3:31:473:31:51

will affect their growth and

development and their cognitive

3:31:513:31:57

development throughout the rest of

their lives. In 2012 Unicef were

3:31:573:32:01

warning of stunting and 50, children

under five were stunted in 2012

3:32:013:32:07

before the latest conflict took

place. That is a generation left

3:32:073:32:12

with a limiting condition that we

could do more to prevent. Mr Deputy

3:32:123:32:18

Speaker, the International Committee

of the Red Cross reported yesterday

3:32:183:32:20

they purchased 750,000 litres of

field to ensure that the water pumps

3:32:203:32:26

can operate. They will only last

month on that fuel. The

3:32:263:32:30

International Committee of the Red

Cross also reports that nine other

3:32:303:32:33

cities don't have sufficient fuel to

run their water supplies which is a

3:32:333:32:37

critical situation, considering

Yemen has experienced one of the

3:32:373:32:42

largest cholera epidemics in

history, which has already left

3:32:423:32:45

around 2000 people dead. The

outbreak seems to be on the wane but

3:32:453:32:50

without water and access to

appropriate sanitation that will

3:32:503:32:53

almost certainly come back. As the

honourable member for Sutton

3:32:533:32:57

Coldfield mentioned, diphtheria is

taking hold, very preventable

3:32:573:33:00

disease we do not even see here. I

want to ask the Minister, and I know

3:33:003:33:05

he will do his best on this, what is

the government doing to ensure that

3:33:053:33:09

the fuel gets into the country

because without fuel the petrol

3:33:093:33:12

pumps will run dry and it will have

a knock-on effect on the prices of

3:33:123:33:15

food. Aid needs to get in and aid

agencies say so but all aid agencies

3:33:153:33:21

stressed the necessity of getting

commercial goods in. The scarcity

3:33:213:33:25

and fuel prices mean prices are high

and even where there is food people

3:33:253:33:28

can't afford to feed themselves and

they don't know where their next

3:33:283:33:31

meal is coming from and it must be

incredible heartbreaking to be able

3:33:313:33:34

to see food on a shelf and not be

able to afford to buy it to feed

3:33:343:33:38

your family. Bear in mind that

employees in Yemen, many of them

3:33:383:33:42

have not been paid for some time,

over a year in some cases at least

3:33:423:33:46

and Medecins Sans Frontieres

reported in October that 1.2 million

3:33:463:33:49

Yemeni civil servants have received

little to no salaries for over a

3:33:493:33:53

year. MSF pays the salary of 1200

public health staff that they are

3:33:533:33:58

using in their clinics but quite

clearly Mr Deputy Speaker that isn't

3:33:583:34:01

enough by any manner of means and if

the doctors are treating the people

3:34:013:34:04

that are starving and have no money

to feed themselves either that is a

3:34:043:34:07

situation that is a disaster. I

would urge the Minister to consider

3:34:073:34:12

what else they can do to get more

money in to allow the staff to be

3:34:123:34:16

paid and get the economy restarted

and make sure people can have

3:34:163:34:18

something to live on. I would also

urge, as I have urged in previous

3:34:183:34:22

statements, we need to see aid

getting into the country in the

3:34:223:34:27

first place. The blockade must be

removed as soon as possible. The aid

3:34:273:34:31

needs to be able to travel around

Yemen as well and the border posts

3:34:313:34:36

and the vis-a-vis and difficulties

aid agencies are facing in getting

3:34:363:34:39

around the country is preventing

that aid from flowing. It is clear

3:34:393:34:44

as well that the different factions

to this conflict are using this

3:34:443:34:49

system as a means of vibrating aid

to their own people as well so that

3:34:493:34:52

the aid intended to go to one place

of desperate need is being diverted.

3:34:523:34:56

It's not to say the other people

might not need it because I am sure

3:34:563:34:59

they do but that aid is being that

they did from the people that need

3:34:593:35:03

to get it and we need to do more to

make sure that the aid can get

3:35:033:35:06

through to those that need it and

that it is appropriately used when

3:35:063:35:10

it gets there. I would urge

ministers to do everything they can

3:35:103:35:13

in that respect to ensure the

convoys going through the country

3:35:133:35:15

can get where they need to be.

Finally, Mr Deputy Speaker, I'd like

3:35:153:35:20

to touch on the issue of arms sales

because the arms sales to me are a

3:35:203:35:24

critical part of the influence and

leverage that we have as a country

3:35:243:35:27

in this conflict. The meeting

referred to earlier, the communique

3:35:273:35:33

that came out of the meeting Tumi

concentrated far, far more sadly on

3:35:333:35:41

weapons and the security situation,

which I know and I appreciate is

3:35:413:35:43

difficult but it concentrated more

on that than it did on the

3:35:433:35:47

humanitarian situation and the need

to get goods in through the ports.

3:35:473:35:52

I'm sure the 25 aid agencies who

contacted the Foreign Secretary in

3:35:523:35:55

their open letter will feel very let

down by that and I want to echo the

3:35:553:36:01

comments of the Shadow Foreign

Secretary that the attendance list

3:36:013:36:03

of that meeting could have been

broader and efforts must be made to

3:36:033:36:05

get more people from Yemen involved

in these things actually from Yemen,

3:36:053:36:11

from civil society from

organisations working there on the

3:36:113:36:14

ground. If you look at that picture

as well you will note there may be

3:36:143:36:18

one woman in the back of the

photograph but women are not being

3:36:183:36:20

included in this process is well and

you need women as part of the

3:36:203:36:24

process to help make the peace and

make it sustainable.

I'm very

3:36:243:36:31

grateful to the Honourable Lady.

When the national dialogue process

3:36:313:36:34

was going on and I was in Yemen for

that, we spoke to women who have not

3:36:343:36:37

been part of the governance process.

We to young people who have not been

3:36:373:36:41

part of the governance process, the

National dialogue giving them an

3:36:413:36:44

opportunity, the Houthi involvement

and the conflict killed that

3:36:443:36:50

opportunity, otherwise there would

have been more women involved.

3:36:503:36:52

That's what some of the people are

fighting for.

I appreciate that and

3:36:523:36:57

I have heard this to me from some of

the aid agencies and some of the

3:36:573:37:00

women's organisations that came to

visit who I met with with the

3:37:003:37:03

honourable member for East some time

ago and that process was reflected

3:37:033:37:07

and they want to be part of that but

the organisations do exist and those

3:37:073:37:10

are groups that the government must

keep reaching out to and must keep

3:37:103:37:15

involving in the process because if

it is going to be a lasting peace it

3:37:153:37:18

must be a lasting peace for the

people of Yemen as wide as possible

3:37:183:37:22

and attendance must be there.

3:37:223:37:27

We lose a huge amount of credibility

in this discussion.

We cannot be a

3:37:273:37:34

broker for peace while we are

involved in arming a side of this

3:37:343:37:38

conflict. We are complacent. --

complicit. There are 318 incidents

3:37:383:37:48

of concern? How many more

unacceptable to this government as

3:37:483:37:52

there are 318 that have been picked

up by the people involved on the

3:37:523:37:58

ground in Yemen. That is a huge

amount of concern to have. The

3:37:583:38:01

amount of eight is welcome and it is

good. I believe £202 million since

3:38:013:38:10

2015 is dwarfed by the 4.6 billion

on arms sales. That is a huge

3:38:103:38:14

amount. It is going into producing

absolute brutality and desperation

3:38:143:38:23

on the ground. If we want this

country to be a success we should be

3:38:233:38:27

putting all the effort into the

building, not into destroying what

3:38:273:38:31

little is still there.

She talks

about arms sales and they accept the

3:38:313:38:37

point we should care about people

but you look at the situation now,

3:38:373:38:41

is she aware of some 80 rockets have

been fired then? What is stopping

3:38:413:38:46

those rockets from killing people is

the US Patriot missile system,

3:38:463:38:51

defence equipment sold by the United

States to Saudi Arabia to stop

3:38:513:38:55

rockets landing on many people and

telling them.

Does she agree with

3:38:553:38:59

those defence sales? What I agree

with in this situation is that by

3:38:593:39:06

putting more arms into the situation

that is continuing to escalate the

3:39:063:39:09

situation. The honourable member can

have this time later on and I am

3:39:093:39:13

sure he will wish to contribute but

by adding more weapons to the

3:39:133:39:18

situation I don't think honestly

that is going to help. Mr Deputy

3:39:183:39:23

Speaker, you will be aware my

daughter has been sent home from

3:39:233:39:29

Naas are set today. My daughter will

be picked up from larceny by my

3:39:293:39:34

husband, she will get medicine if

she needs it and treatment that she

3:39:343:39:37

needs it and access to a doctor if

she needs that. Unlike appearance in

3:39:373:39:42

Yemen I will not have to choose as

they have to do what's child to save

3:39:423:39:47

on which child to let die and that

is the situation that parents in

3:39:473:39:51

Yemen are facing every single day.

Every ten minutes a child will die,

3:39:513:39:58

parents will have that for the rest

of their lives. They will have seen

3:39:583:40:02

children die before them. We must be

committed to finding peace in this

3:40:023:40:10

situation. We must let aid in and

security peace fire -- ceasefire. We

3:40:103:40:20

have had plenty of water and

commitment and talk and we must,

3:40:203:40:25

Yemen cannot wait and we need action

now.

If you will forget me I will

3:40:253:40:32

talk about this country for which I

have a deep affection. It is a

3:40:323:40:41

country of great richness, of great

culture Randolph in many ways it is

3:40:413:40:47

the heart of Arabia. It was there

that the camel was domesticated

3:40:473:40:53

allowed the colonisation of the rest

of Arabia. It has for most Arabs

3:40:533:40:57

seen as the heart of the culture and

Yemeni Arabic is seen as the purist

3:40:573:41:02

Arabic. To see the country soul

ruined and destroyed as a matter of

3:41:023:41:10

great sadness for all of us who are

of Arabian culture and language. --

3:41:103:41:15

who love Arabian culture and

language. We have to be clear who is

3:41:153:41:20

causing that, it is right that the

blockade is wrong. There is no doubt

3:41:203:41:25

in my mind that Saudi Arabia has the

particular responsibility to address

3:41:253:41:31

the humanitarian concerns facing the

Yemeni people today. It would be

3:41:313:41:34

wrong to point solely at Riyadh

because the truth is that the

3:41:343:41:41

sessions made in Teheran today are

having an effect that is felt

3:41:413:41:45

throughout the region. It would be

wrong to be silent in the face of

3:41:453:41:48

such aggression. It would be wrong

to ignore the roots of it because

3:41:483:41:53

when we looked at Shi'ite Islam,

descended through the sun of the

3:41:533:42:05

son-in-law of the profit, --

Prophet, it is worth remembering

3:42:053:42:17

that Yemeni involvement is nothing

new. It is said the Prophet was born

3:42:173:42:23

in the year of the elephant and it

is called such because that is the

3:42:233:42:27

year when the king of Persia landed

elephants in Persia. Since then is

3:42:273:42:38

Damien involvement has been

frequent. Today it is again. And

3:42:383:42:44

today they are not landing war

elephants but missiles and small

3:42:443:42:47

arms and they are landing rifles.

They adequately as poisonous today

3:42:473:42:54

to the politics of that region of

Arabia as they have been for nearly

3:42:543:42:57

two millennia. Just because it is

true that Saudi Arabia's treatment

3:42:573:43:04

of the Yemeni people today is not

acceptable, does not mean that we

3:43:043:43:09

should ignore the crimes that are

being committed by Iran. I would

3:43:093:43:16

encourage the minister in his place

and has done so much for the Legion,

3:43:163:43:20

whose understanding of the countries

that make up this beautiful and

3:43:203:43:23

important part of our world, has

done so much Ronald Koeman the

3:43:233:43:28

countries and our relationship but

the people themselves, I would

3:43:283:43:31

encourage them to remember they has

to be playing out here than I would

3:43:313:43:34

urge him to remember that we have

real friends in this region. We have

3:43:343:43:40

real friends in Yemen that we must

help and real friends in Saudi

3:43:403:43:44

Arabia who we must help to defend

themselves. We have a real friends

3:43:443:43:49

in or man and the Emirates who are

fighting against this aggression to

3:43:493:43:57

and as we stand up for friends, and

I will give way, we must urge them

3:43:573:44:01

to remember that they too have

responsibility.

I am grateful to my

3:44:013:44:11

friend the chairman for the

committee. He referred to the role

3:44:113:44:15

Iran is playing in Yemen but isn't

it also the case that the Iranians

3:44:153:44:21

are trying to influence and

destabilise other countries on the

3:44:213:44:26

Arabian Peninsular? And even trying

to increase their influence on or

3:44:263:44:32

man?

My honourable friend is

absolutely correct of course. The

3:44:323:44:38

actions of the Iranian government

these last few years have been to

3:44:383:44:46

destabilise many areas and that one

looks at Oman today one can see the

3:44:463:44:51

attractions of Iranian backed

insurgencies. If one looks at

3:44:513:44:55

Bahrain today one can see violent

insurgencies rather than just

3:44:553:44:58

political insurgencies Azlan Oman.

If one looks at the eastern seaboard

3:44:583:45:03

of Saudi Arabia, I will not praise

them for their treatment of the

3:45:033:45:11

Shias because it isn't great, but

the way that the Iranian government

3:45:113:45:15

is seeking to radicalise Shia

groups, it is right that the

3:45:153:45:21

government in the Riyadh see threats

coming from the east. They are

3:45:213:45:25

right, because they are happening.

This does not excuse the human

3:45:253:45:33

rights abuses of the blockade. This

does not excuse the famine and the

3:45:333:45:37

punishment that has been made

collective against the people of

3:45:373:45:40

Yemen. I will not excuse it. We must

remember that this is a war being

3:45:403:45:48

fought against an aggressive regime

that has several times now fired

3:45:483:45:53

missiles at Riyadh, that has several

times now fired missiles at civilian

3:45:533:45:58

populations in Saudi Arabia, and

while the honourable member on the

3:45:583:46:02

bench opposite is absolutely right,

absolutely right that the death of

3:46:023:46:08

the children in Yemen is the crime

that cries out for justice, we must

3:46:083:46:14

also remember that if ill union

weapons are being landed in Glasgow

3:46:143:46:18

we would take action about it. If

they were landing from France to

3:46:183:46:22

London we would take action. And I

understand that the Saudis are to

3:46:223:46:29

take action about it. Of course we

wouldn't practice collective

3:46:293:46:33

punishment, we would not blockade

and we would not abuse human rights

3:46:333:46:38

to defend ourselves. Though there is

a legitimacy of Saudi action, as

3:46:383:46:46

friends of Saudi Arabia and other

supporters of the welcome changes

3:46:463:46:48

that are happening today, we have a

role in the right to speak out and I

3:46:483:46:54

welcome the words of my letter

honourable friend the Prime Minister

3:46:543:46:59

only a few hours ago. She is

absolutely right and speaks of the

3:46:593:47:03

benighted kingdom with passion and

honour when she calls on him to act

3:47:033:47:08

and to act now. -- United Kingdom.

Can I first of all congratulate the

3:47:083:47:16

Right Honourable gentleman on both

securing this debate but also on a

3:47:163:47:18

very powerful speech and I would

like to associate myself with his

3:47:183:47:22

remarks today. I am going to resist

the temptation to address the

3:47:223:47:28

broader political questions that

have come up and focus my remarks on

3:47:283:47:32

the sheer scale of the humanitarian

crisis. In particular the impact of

3:47:323:47:40

the blockade and can I join with the

right honourable gentleman and other

3:47:403:47:45

speakers in paying tribute to all of

those working on the ground to try

3:47:453:47:49

to make a difference in this

terrible, terrible situation. United

3:47:493:47:56

Nations aid agencies and above all

the long-suffering people of Yemen.

3:47:563:48:02

The scale of this crisis is

enormous. As we heard, Yemen could

3:48:023:48:07

be just weeks away from a once in a

generation famine. United Nations

3:48:073:48:16

estimates that 85% of Yemen's

population is in immediate need of

3:48:163:48:22

humanitarian assistance, 85%. That

has increased over just the past 12

3:48:223:48:31

months by 2 million people. 10

million people are at immediate risk

3:48:313:48:38

of death and our own Department for

International Development says these

3:48:383:48:44

people may not survive if they don't

receive humanitarian assistance in

3:48:443:48:49

some form or another. It is very

difficult to get truly accurate

3:48:493:48:55

figures from sources on the ground

than elsewhere in the precise human

3:48:553:48:58

cost of this tragic conflict and

it'll be very useful of the menace

3:48:583:49:03

that is able during this debate to

give an estimate of how many

3:49:033:49:07

civilian lives have been lost

already since the conflict began in

3:49:073:49:10

Yemen. As the right honourable

gentleman reminded as an opening

3:49:103:49:15

this debate, Yemen has long been

reliant on imports for its food.

3:49:153:49:21

Even before the war. 90% of Yemen's

food is imported. It requires food

3:49:213:49:28

imports of the hundred and 50,000

metric tonnes per month and 80% of

3:49:283:49:33

this comes through these two ports.

Whilst the sports have been fully

3:49:333:49:40

blockaded no goods are coming at all

leaving a danger and deadly backlog.

3:49:403:49:45

Since the blockade began three weeks

ago, as we have heard, the situation

3:49:453:49:51

has got even worse. Cholera is

widespread with a suspected 1

3:49:513:49:58

million cases and at least 2000

deaths. As well as having one of the

3:49:583:50:04

largest recorded cholera outbreak

since records began, Yemen is now

3:50:043:50:08

facing the threat of Expedia. That

the area is an extremely contagious

3:50:083:50:13

and deadly disease whose symptoms

include high temperature, difficulty

3:50:133:50:20

breathing and a sore throat. About

one in ten adults who contract it by

3:50:203:50:24

and for the figure is closer to one

and five. In this country it is

3:50:243:50:29

almost eradicated. Since 2010 the

United Kingdom has recorded 20 cases

3:50:293:50:39

with one tragic recorded fatality.

In the past two months Yemen has

3:50:393:50:44

reported 120 cases with 14

fatalities and the numbers are

3:50:443:50:50

rising. Given how contagious this

disease is it is surely a matter of

3:50:503:50:58

time unless something changes

dramatically before hundreds if not

3:50:583:51:00

thousands of Yemeni people contract

that Delia with devastating

3:51:003:51:06

consequences for that country.

Life-saving medication and

3:51:063:51:11

humanitarian aid needed to treat

these diseases hasn't in practice

3:51:113:51:14

been withheld from innocent

civilians as a direct consequence of

3:51:143:51:20

the Saudi Arabian blockade, and even

with the very modest easing we have

3:51:203:51:25

heard from the Minister today over

the last week, lives remain at risk.

3:51:253:51:32

Prior to the blockade, 17 million

Yemenis, worse food insecure, what

3:51:323:51:39

it is estimated nearly 7 million at

risk of famine. That represents a

3:51:393:51:43

20% increase, half a million

children suffering from severe acute

3:51:433:51:49

malnutrition, half a million. This

last week the early warning system

3:51:493:51:58

network released a statement saying

famine is likely in Yemen if key

3:51:583:52:01

port remain closed and that is why

this issue is so important. The

3:52:013:52:06

report went on to say that if the

reports -- ports remain closed or

3:52:063:52:11

one able to handle large quantities

of food famine is likely with

3:52:113:52:17

thousands of deaths each day due to

lack of food and yet epic of

3:52:173:52:20

disease.

3:52:203:52:27

Seven others exceed the threshold of

serious.

I thank my honourable

3:52:273:52:33

friend for giving way and he is

passionately outlining the current

3:52:333:52:36

humanitarian crisis and the need to

remove the Saudi blockade. Does he

3:52:363:52:40

also agree that the problem with

Yemen was it was already the poorest

3:52:403:52:44

country in the Middle East that

attracted far too little attention

3:52:443:52:48

from the international community? We

had always been generous through

3:52:483:52:52

DFID from the UK but this conflict

and crisis has come on the top of

3:52:523:52:57

all the shocking statistics?

I thank

my honourable friend and he has been

3:52:573:53:00

a consistent and powerful advocate

on the half of the Yemeni people

3:53:003:53:05

including the diaspora living in his

constituency. I agree with him and

3:53:053:53:09

take the opportunity of his

intervention to thank the

3:53:093:53:14

International Department for

element, but longer term that

3:53:143:53:17

predates the conflict and also the

work they have sought to do during

3:53:173:53:21

the current crisis -- for

development. As of Monday the UN

3:53:213:53:24

humanitarian affairs agency reported

29 vessels carrying food and fuel

3:53:243:53:30

have been denied entry, and as the

Right Honourable gentleman said in

3:53:303:53:34

his opening speech over the weekend

the Saudi coalition did allow a

3:53:343:53:39

single ship into the port of

Hudaydah. That ship was carrying

3:53:393:53:42

6000 tonnes of flour which equates

to Knutzon of bread for the people

3:53:423:53:58

on the brink of starvation and it is

not enough and the people punished

3:53:583:54:01

the innocent civilians of Yemen. --

not enough bread. Crucial supplies

3:54:013:54:08

including ships including thousands

of tonnes of metric food desperately

3:54:083:54:16

needed. A vessel carrying 30,000

tonnes of wheat was able to birth

3:54:163:54:20

last night, however there Afful

vessels carrying fuel and three

3:54:203:54:23

carrying food still waiting for

commission. Can I urge the

3:54:233:54:28

government to use its offices to

ensure these vessels carrying

3:54:283:54:32

desperately needed supplies are able

to birth in Haditha as soon as

3:54:323:54:34

possible? As others have said during

the debate, fuel remains at the

3:54:343:54:41

centre of this crisis. Only two of

the ships currently offer Yemen are

3:54:413:54:45

carrying petrol and farmers in Yemen

are reporting that they simply don't

3:54:453:54:49

have the fuel to run the

agricultural equipment which

3:54:493:54:51

compounds further the risk of

famine. What little fuel Yemen has,

3:54:513:54:56

as we have heard, is being sold at

extortionate prices, humanitarian

3:54:563:55:02

organisations' coalition suggest a

million are needed to operate at the

3:55:023:55:11

level they were prior to the

blockade. Putt ships with fuel have

3:55:113:55:14

enough petrol to last just 16 days.

Estimates from Sanaa suggest that

3:55:143:55:21

unless something changes petrol will

run out in six days' time and diesel

3:55:213:55:24

in 17 days' time. Van der Vaart fuel

runs out the people will suffer even

3:55:243:55:32

more with hospitals and waste

treatment facilities no longer able

3:55:323:55:35

to function properly. Without fuel

many of the humanitarian supplies

3:55:353:55:41

waiting off Yemen will not have the

opportunity, even if they can dock

3:55:413:55:46

to then be moved around the country.

Within days it is estimated that 8

3:55:463:55:52

million people in Yemen will be

without running water as the fuel

3:55:523:55:55

required to pump the water runs out.

Safe water and sanitation are vital

3:55:553:56:00

to combating the outbreaks of

cholera and diphtheria. Yemen's

3:56:003:56:04

three largest cities have already

had to shut down their water and

3:56:043:56:07

sewage treatment facilities and a

further five will do so within days

3:56:073:56:12

and in Hudaydah untreated water and

sewage has been washing into the

3:56:123:56:16

streets for several days. As the

Honourable Lady from Glasgow said

3:56:163:56:20

said in her excellent speech, the

International Committee of the Red

3:56:203:56:25

Cross this week took the unusual

step of buying fuel stocks to help

3:56:253:56:29

restart water and sewage in the

second and third largest cities,

3:56:293:56:33

Hudaydah and Taiz and given the

extortionate price of fuel they were

3:56:333:56:36

only able to purchase sufficient

supplies to last one month. Can I

3:56:363:56:40

praise the Red Cross for doing this,

which they acknowledge was an

3:56:403:56:44

unusual but necessary step to help

the people of Yemen? I implore the

3:56:443:56:48

government to do all it can to work

with NGOs and others on the ground

3:56:483:56:52

to ensure that much-needed fuel gets

into Yemen and gets around within

3:56:523:56:56

Yemen as soon as possible. As we

have heard, health facilities have

3:56:563:57:00

been destroyed during this conflict.

One in six completely and barely

3:57:003:57:07

half are functional at all and many

have had to close because of the

3:57:073:57:10

lack of access to clean water and

only about 30% of the medical

3:57:103:57:14

supplies needed for Yemen are

getting in as a result many of the

3:57:143:57:18

diseases we are talking about go

untreated, compounding an already

3:57:183:57:22

horrific situation. Although

vaccines are slowly making their way

3:57:223:57:29

back into the country through aid

flights, much, much more needs to be

3:57:293:57:34

in De Matt Dunn to ensure the entire

publishing is protected against

3:57:343:57:37

diseases that are both preventable

and curable. On Saturday, I will

3:57:373:57:41

take part in a vigil for Yemen in

Liverpool and I'm delighted my

3:57:413:57:45

honourable friend and neighbour, the

member for Walton is here and will

3:57:453:57:48

be joining that vigil as well with

members of the Yemeni diss -- die

3:57:483:57:55

Aspar in Liverpool, it's so

important we send a clear message

3:57:553:57:58

this conflict is not forgotten, and

when I spake to the Yemeni diaspora

3:57:583:58:05

in Liverpool is the one thing they

want is peace in Yemen and they

3:58:053:58:08

recognise it will be achieved

through diplomatic means and I

3:58:083:58:11

welcome the Prime Minister being in

the region. It is vital she presses

3:58:113:58:16

loud and clear for the full lifting

of this blockade. This debate today,

3:58:163:58:22

Mr Deputy Speaker, is timely, it's

important, its message is clear that

3:58:223:58:26

the blockade must be lifted

immediately but we recognise that

3:58:263:58:30

even the lifting of the blockade,

vital as that is, is far from

3:58:303:58:35

sufficient, we need to keep coming

back in this House to the issue of

3:58:353:58:38

Yemen until we see a ceasefire, a

political solution, and the

3:58:383:58:43

bloodshed ends for the sake of the

people of Yemen.

3:58:433:58:48

Thank you, Mr Deputy Speaker command

it is an honour to follow the

3:58:483:58:52

chairman of the Select Committee,

who has spoken powerfully on this

3:58:523:58:55

matter not only today but on several

previous occasions and whose

3:58:553:58:59

commitment I know is wholehearted to

this, as indeed is my Right

3:58:593:59:02

Honourable friend, the member for

Sutton Coldfield, who I congratulate

3:59:023:59:06

for securing this debate today and

who I know takes a huge personal

3:59:063:59:10

interest. I would also like to thank

my Right Honourable friend, the

3:59:103:59:14

Minister on the front bench, because

I know just how hard he works on

3:59:143:59:18

this issue and how close it is to

his heart. He brings to his work a

3:59:183:59:23

passion, which I think, if not

unique, certainly hugely important

3:59:233:59:27

in government on this issue. Mr

Deputy Speaker, I just want to

3:59:273:59:34

really use the words of other people

in my speech. I know not a huge

3:59:343:59:38

amount about the area. Its

international development is

3:59:383:59:43

something of great concern to me, as

is foreign affairs, but I thought I

3:59:433:59:48

would write to somebody I know who

has much more experience of the

3:59:483:59:52

situation in Yemen, who has been

working with the World Food

3:59:523:59:56

Programme, and has sent me a couple

of e-mails this week. I will quote

3:59:563:59:59

from that and from a couple of other

things that he has sent me.

3:59:594:00:04

From a food perspective, he writes,

the situation is beyond bleak. It is

4:00:044:00:09

a catastrophe beyond anything that I

have ever seen before. We are

4:00:094:00:14

talking of 17 million food insecure

people. World Food Programme is

4:00:144:00:22

giving food and vouchers to around

6.5 million people across most of

4:00:224:00:25

the country. Obviously this has been

hampered over the last three weeks

4:00:254:00:31

due to the blockade. Thankfully,

that, at least in part, is now over

4:00:314:00:35

and some ships are docking. But

remember, as many colleagues have

4:00:354:00:39

said, even precrisis Yemen was

almost entirely dependent upon food

4:00:394:00:45

imports. He goes on, the blockade

only served to make food a weapon of

4:00:454:00:49

war. The World Food Programme

expects that 3 million of the 70

4:00:494:00:53

million will be pushed into a deeper

level of food and -- insecurity as a

4:00:534:00:58

result of the blockade. Market

availability is acceptable, but as

4:00:584:01:04

many members have said, remains

inaccessible due to inflation and

4:01:044:01:07

therefore high prices. It goes on,

cholera is stabilising but still at

4:01:074:01:14

around 800,000 people. It is the

largest outbreak in modern history

4:01:144:01:18

of this disease and utterly

shameful. Mr Deputy Speaker, I won't

4:01:184:01:23

go into the statistics because my

honourable friend from Liverpool has

4:01:234:01:28

just gone through them.

I thank the

honourable gentleman forgiving way.

4:01:284:01:36

Like him I have had a similar letter

voicing grave concerns about the

4:01:364:01:41

situation in Yemen, particularly the

blockade, the lack of medical

4:01:414:01:48

supplies and I agree with him

wholeheartedly, something has got to

4:01:484:01:51

be done about it.

My Right

Honourable friend is right, there is

4:01:514:01:54

a huge lack of critical medical

supplies including vaccines and

4:01:544:01:58

treatment to control the spread of

cholera and now of course that

4:01:584:02:01

deadly disease diphtheria. I will go

onto the second of my quotations

4:02:014:02:08

from an eyewitness. This is from

Mark Lowcock, the emergency relief

4:02:084:02:13

coordinator who the chairman of the

Select Committee and several other

4:02:134:02:17

colleagues met several weeks ago. In

this he said after a visit earlier

4:02:174:02:21

this month everyone everywhere I

went I saw roads, bridges,

4:02:214:02:26

factories, hotels and houses

destroyed by bombing or shelling. I

4:02:264:02:29

visited hospitals, both that he

visited had barely any electricity

4:02:294:02:36

or water. I met his seven-year-old

who weighed 11 kilos, the average

4:02:364:02:41

wait for a two-year-old not a

seven-year-old. The manager of the

4:02:414:02:46

hospital where she is being treated

said staff regularly turn away

4:02:464:02:51

gravely ill and malnourished

children because they cannot

4:02:514:02:54

accommodate them. There is of course

a solution to this, a political

4:02:544:03:02

solution I believe is the only way

forward. A lifting of the blockade,

4:03:024:03:06

cessation of hostilities, otherwise

we will indeed face the worst

4:03:064:03:14

humanitarian disaster that we have

seen in decades. But when we talk

4:03:144:03:20

about numbers sometimes the numbers

seem almost too vast. There are

4:03:204:03:24

other consequences as well. Let me

quote as well finally from the OCHA

4:03:244:03:31

report, that the widow, a mother of

six, five daughters and a son, and

4:03:314:03:38

had to abandon her home in Taiz

fleeing air strikes and fighting in

4:03:384:03:41

the area. The family left their

village with only the clothes they

4:03:414:03:46

were wearing and settled in a nearby

somewhat more peaceful village. She

4:03:464:03:52

rented a small shop but the business

is struggling and cannot sustain the

4:03:524:03:55

family's basic needs such as food,

water and medicines. So to ease the

4:03:554:04:01

burden she decided to marry off her

three young daughters. She said I

4:04:014:04:04

didn't have money and couldn't feed

all of the children. I didn't want

4:04:044:04:08

to marry off my daughters so young

but I couldn't stand seeing them

4:04:084:04:12

crying and starving. I regret what I

did very much. This, Mr Deputy

4:04:124:04:20

Speaker, is one of the individual

human, desperate consequences of

4:04:204:04:25

what we are seeing now. Yesterday I

had the honour of cheering in Mr

4:04:254:04:32

Speaker's house in meeting where we

discussed the tremendous progress on

4:04:324:04:35

countering malaria over the last 17

years, millions of lives saved,

4:04:354:04:39

millions of children's lives saved.

Here we have an entirely preventable

4:04:394:04:46

disaster looming where tens of

thousands, hundreds of thousands of

4:04:464:04:52

lives, perhaps even more than that,

are at risk, mainly of children and

4:04:524:04:58

women. We have the opportunity to do

that globally. I ask that the

4:04:584:05:04

coalition, the government of Saudi

Arabia and its allies, I ask that

4:05:044:05:08

they lift this blockade immediately

in order to ensure that those lives

4:05:084:05:14

can be saved, and I urge command

thank the government and Prime

4:05:144:05:19

Minister for what she said yesterday

and today, and I thank, coach the

4:05:194:05:23

government to continue that day in

day out until this crisis is

4:05:234:05:28

resolved.

Keith Vaz.

Mr Deputy

Speaker, it is a pleasure to follow

4:05:284:05:36

the honourable member and he did

himself a huge injustice saying he

4:05:364:05:39

didn't know much about the subject,

he knows a great deal and his

4:05:394:05:43

passion was very evident in what he

says and I thank him for what he has

4:05:434:05:46

said. I would like to commend the

Right Honourable member for Sutton

4:05:464:05:51

Coldfield, not only for calling this

debate, but also for his incredible

4:05:514:05:58

work as a former International

Development Secretary. I think he

4:05:584:06:01

will go down as one of the best we

have ever had. While he occupied

4:06:014:06:06

that post he did so much for Yemen

and he gave it so much of his time

4:06:064:06:12

and we are very grateful. He gave a

brilliant speech today and I think

4:06:124:06:16

it's important that we do discuss

Yemen on the floor of the House,

4:06:164:06:20

because we don't get the opportunity

of doing it often enough. As chair

4:06:204:06:27

of the all-party group and one of

the two members of this House who

4:06:274:06:30

was born in Aden it has become, as

the Shadow Foreign Secretary said,

4:06:304:06:37

the forgotten war, and allowing us

to discuss this in prime

4:06:374:06:42

Parliamentary time means it is not

forgotten. I want to thank the

4:06:424:06:46

Honourable Lady, the member for

Glasgow send, and the member for

4:06:464:06:51

Charnwood, for being such excellent

officers of the all-party group.

4:06:514:06:56

Yemen has so many friends in this

House, this is a Thursday afternoon

4:06:564:07:00

but it's packed. I want to thank the

young and swashbuckling chair of the

4:07:004:07:09

Foreign Affairs Committee who

learned about Yemen when he went to

4:07:094:07:13

live there to learn Arabic, and he

spoke so beautifully about its

4:07:134:07:17

contribution to the history of the

Arab world. And of course, the

4:07:174:07:24

member for Liverpool, my honourable

friend, who made it a priority in

4:07:244:07:28

his role as chairman of the

International Development Secretary.

4:07:284:07:33

I miss Flick Drummond and Angus

Robertson, both of them whenever

4:07:334:07:38

they spoke about Yemen made sure the

House listened, and I'm glad the

4:07:384:07:43

Shadow Foreign Secretary, who is

also extremely busy, came to do the

4:07:434:07:48

debate today and show she is very

concerned. As we approach December

4:07:484:07:54

20, Mr Deputy Speaker, and the

1000th day of Yemen's war, it is

4:07:544:08:00

clear the conflict in Yemen is still

no closer to being resolved. And the

4:08:004:08:04

United Kingdom is sadly no nearer to

developing a coherent policy on

4:08:044:08:09

Yemen.

4:08:094:08:14

Time and again we have stood in this

chamber calling for a government to

4:08:144:08:18

utilise all its immense diplomatic

skills, talents and muscle to bring

4:08:184:08:24

an end to this conflict. It has not

happened and we are here again

4:08:244:08:29

asking for the same thing. This

debate will demonstrate the

4:08:294:08:36

cross-party consensus that exists in

Parliament for an end to this awful

4:08:364:08:41

war. As we stand here Yemen

continues to bleed to death. They

4:08:414:08:51

face death from cholera, death from

malnutrition, death from bombing,

4:08:514:08:57

death from starvation. The clothes

of death hangs over Yemen. 10,000

4:08:574:09:05

dead from the fighting, 40,000

mutilated, each day 130 Yemeni

4:09:054:09:11

children die from preventable causes

as the honourable lady for a Glasgow

4:09:114:09:16

Central said, by the time this

debate ends, another 17 Yemeni

4:09:164:09:21

children will have died. 20 million

people are in need of urgent

4:09:214:09:27

humanitarian needs by the end of the

year, 1 million people suffer from

4:09:274:09:32

cholera. This is more than the

entire populations of Edinburgh,

4:09:324:09:42

Newcastle and Hull combine. It has

destroyed infrastructure. Water

4:09:424:09:52

sanitation facilities have been

decimated by bombing. State sector

4:09:524:09:58

workers have not been paid for well

over one years and aid agencies have

4:09:584:10:01

been asked to fulfil all major

functions of the state. It is

4:10:014:10:05

impossible task. The group will be

launching the enquiry on the 13th

4:10:054:10:15

December on Yemen Date to be held in

Parliament. We will hear

4:10:154:10:21

contributions from all the agencies

taking part in this action of mercy,

4:10:214:10:26

Medecins sans Frontieres, Oxfam

relief, the International committee

4:10:264:10:33

for the Red Cross and the

International rescue committee. I

4:10:334:10:39

hope many members of this house

especially those from the Dyas

4:10:394:10:43

Borough will come to Yemen day

because it will allow us not just to

4:10:434:10:49

please but also to press for action.

-- diaspora. Action that I am afraid

4:10:494:10:54

is still missing. The conflict has

raged for two and a half years but

4:10:544:11:04

that has been a sharp escalation

this month. And if the union

4:11:044:11:08

supplied missile was fired into

Saudi Arabia landing near Riyadh

4:11:084:11:10

airport. We condemn this missile

attack in the strongest possible

4:11:104:11:16

terms. One death is not a

justification for another and

4:11:164:11:21

targeting civilians at an airport is

a cowardly act. The response by the

4:11:214:11:27

kingdom of Saudi Arabia has been

quick and deadly. Increasingly

4:11:274:11:33

bombing raids in Yemen and issuing a

fool blockade. The full blockade,

4:11:334:11:39

despite an outcry from humanitarian

groups and the United Nations,

4:11:394:11:41

lasted for three weeks. We have

heard the passionate arguments that

4:11:414:11:47

this is in breach of Article 33 of

the Geneva conventions. Whilst I

4:11:474:11:53

welcome the ending of the blockade

and ends this week and can

4:11:534:11:56

acknowledge that the start has begun

and welcome the update given to us

4:11:564:12:02

by the minister today, this is not a

solution to Yemen's problems. Aid

4:12:024:12:10

access to the country is still far

lower than is required by the 20

4:12:104:12:14

million who need immediate

assistance. Yemen is a country

4:12:144:12:19

imports 90% of its food,

restrictions on commercial imports

4:12:194:12:22

are still present well Yemeni

citizens are starving to death. He

4:12:224:12:28

returned to the pre-November status

quo is an unacceptable outcome. It

4:12:284:12:34

is clear that the only way to stop

the suffering of the people was with

4:12:344:12:37

the peace agreement between the

parties and I will not rest until

4:12:374:12:42

there is peace in Yemen. In recent

months, I had a meeting with some of

4:12:424:12:49

the key people in the region and six

months ago I went to Oman to meet

4:12:494:12:53

with ministers I was on my way back

but never made it. If I landed at

4:12:534:12:59

the airport I was told there was no

guarantee that the plane would take

4:12:594:13:02

off again. I have also met with the

ambassador from Iran to the United

4:13:024:13:07

Kingdom. He told me that Iran was

not involved in Yemen but Duran

4:13:074:13:18

wanted peace. But in recent weeks I

have met with the Saudi ambassador

4:13:184:13:28

and the Saudi Foreign Minister. Both

of whom wanted peace and both of

4:13:284:13:38

whom made it very clear that Iran

was involved in supplying arms

4:13:384:13:45

actively to the Houthis and it is

clear that if the case and we'll

4:13:454:13:48

have to accept that. I believe that

United Kingdom has the capacity to

4:13:484:13:53

end this conflict as the pen holder

of the United Nations. It is good to

4:13:534:13:58

see what the Prime Minister said in

Riyadh today. And that she is there

4:13:584:14:04

to address the Yemeni issue, but I

would like to stay the region until

4:14:044:14:10

she actually puts everyone back at

that peace table a speech is very

4:14:104:14:15

welcome but it is not enough. We

need to get people back. This is a

4:14:154:14:19

huge opportunity. There is a clarion

call for peace all over the world.

4:14:194:14:24

Three weeks ago the United States

Congress bipartisan bill was

4:14:244:14:30

introduced by a Democrat and a

Congressman Republican concerning

4:14:304:14:37

arms sales to Saudi Arabia. Last

week they called for arms sales to

4:14:374:14:46

Saudi Arabia to be suspended and

they have had this position for some

4:14:464:14:49

time. On no other issue would you

see an alliance brings together the

4:14:494:14:54

United States Congress, the Leader

of the Opposition and the Scottish

4:14:544:14:57

National Party except Yemen.

Yesterday after a long wait the

4:14:574:15:03

foreign ministers of the UK, USA,

Saudi Arabia and the UAE met.

4:15:034:15:09

There's no for peace. Unless we have

timetable we cannot get peace. The

4:15:094:15:16

Foreign Secretary, the member for

Oxbridge, tweeted a picture of

4:15:164:15:23

himself after the meeting yesterday.

My message to him is we need to

4:15:234:15:29

spend less time talking about Brexit

and more time talking about Yemen.

4:15:294:15:36

His predecessor took an active role

in the peaceful transition and I

4:15:364:15:41

want to see him do the same. I would

like to thank the Minister of State

4:15:414:15:49

for his work on this issue. He is

always willing to meet and engage to

4:15:494:15:55

come to Parliament in order to

update us, and I think the source of

4:15:554:15:59

these slight dispute between himself

and the Right Honourable gentleman

4:15:594:16:02

for Sutton Coldfield, he has known

him for 30 years and I have known

4:16:024:16:06

the member for 40 years, Mr Deputy

Speaker. He is responsible for me

4:16:064:16:12

entering politics because he gave me

my first speech at university. I

4:16:124:16:18

haven't stopped since. He is to

blame. But the fact is the Saudi

4:16:184:16:28

ambassador, Foreign Minister, did

tell us that the British were there

4:16:284:16:32

to help us with the targeting. The

minister wasn't there but that is

4:16:324:16:35

exactly what he said and he thanked

us for it and maybe clarifications

4:16:354:16:40

required as to exactly what that

means but I must defend him, that is

4:16:404:16:44

exactly what we all heard. You will

know this is my 30th year in

4:16:444:16:50

Parliament. Some see this is too

long but for the remaining years in

4:16:504:16:54

this place I want to dedicate myself

to ensuring that there is peace in

4:16:544:16:58

Yemen. I cannot be asked to think of

what is happening to this once

4:16:584:17:06

beautiful country. It fills me with

such pain, the images broadcast by

4:17:064:17:13

the BBC and al-Jazeera this week are

just too harrowing to watch. My

4:17:134:17:19

children had to turn away from the

television set. One day I want to

4:17:194:17:26

return to have breakfast on the

veranda of the Crescent Hotel

4:17:264:17:30

overlooking the Arabian Sea where my

sisters and I spent so many happy

4:17:304:17:37

days as children, watching the great

chips on their way to the Suez

4:17:374:17:40

Canal. This is no biblical disaster

but one that has been made by men.

4:17:404:17:48

In a recent letter to the Prime

Minister I suggested to her the

4:17:484:17:56

Justice to parliamentarians are

judged on their reactions to the

4:17:564:17:59

genocides and Rwanda and Kosovo and

Somalia. We will be judged on our

4:17:594:18:05

reactions to the tragedy in Yemen.

Yemen is now the graveyard of the

4:18:054:18:11

Middle East and our lack of action

is an object of shame for all of us.

4:18:114:18:17

Unless we act now, the verdict of

history will be very harsh indeed.

4:18:174:18:29

Thank you very much and may I

congratulate my right honourable

4:18:294:18:33

friend the member for Sutton

Coldfield on securing this very

4:18:334:18:35

important debate, because it has

been nearly 1008 since the Yemen

4:18:354:18:41

crisis started. 1000 days of

suffering for the people of Yemen.

4:18:414:18:48

Two days ago when an attempt to help

alleviate that suffering and

4:18:484:18:54

reinforce what must be an

unimaginable effort of humanitarian

4:18:544:18:57

action, the UN charter agency. In a

port in West Yemen. Until this

4:18:574:19:04

crisis is resolved, and in a union

backed Houthis rebels are defeated

4:19:044:19:10

we must strive to make sure that

access to humanitarian work is the

4:19:104:19:14

norm and not the exception. I

welcome that my right honourable

4:19:144:19:22

friend has made to raise these

concerns and United Kingdom is one

4:19:224:19:26

of the top five largest bilateral

aid donors. We should be proud that

4:19:264:19:34

the UK is leading the global

response with 155 million of UK

4:19:344:19:39

funding providing people with fruit,

clean water, sanitation and

4:19:394:19:43

nutritional support. Further, 8

million of this is being allocated

4:19:434:19:49

to tackle the spread of cholera. The

people of Yemen are facing a

4:19:494:19:54

horrendous famine. One that we must

bring to an end. With 70% of the

4:19:544:20:02

population requiring urgent aid, the

blockade must be rolled back as much

4:20:024:20:07

as is practical to ensure vital

assistance reaches those who need

4:20:074:20:11

it. Without unconstrained access to

shipments, hospitals will be without

4:20:114:20:17

power, leaving the sect and then

Gerrard with that vital medical

4:20:174:20:20

care. People can experience a long

and devastating famine and we cannot

4:20:204:20:28

allow this to happen. I welcome that

the UK proposed and coordinated the

4:20:284:20:35

UN Security Council presidential

statement calling for an interrupted

4:20:354:20:39

access for humanitarian assistance.

And that the government continues to

4:20:394:20:45

lobby for Yemen to remain open to

humanitarian access. Whilst I accept

4:20:454:20:50

the necessity the UK has providing

vital logistical and intelligence

4:20:504:20:55

support to Saudi Arabia, they

continue to lead a broad

4:20:554:21:01

international coalition of countries

across the region alongside an

4:21:014:21:03

allies US and France, this must not

come at the expense of many lives

4:21:034:21:09

which have been and will continue to

be lost if this blockade continues.

4:21:094:21:15

I am pleased the UK Government is

already taking the lead by lobbying

4:21:154:21:20

others in the international

community including at the United

4:21:204:21:22

Nations. To ensure humanitarian

access happens as rapidly as

4:21:224:21:26

possible. The UK needs to continue

to use its influence to make sure

4:21:264:21:34

all parties respect these unified

and clear demands from across the

4:21:344:21:37

globe. Therefore I continue to urge

the government to make this a

4:21:374:21:41

priority and to act and ensure aid

reaches those who need to help bring

4:21:414:21:46

about a long-lasting solution to a

long-standing crisis. So that the

4:21:464:21:52

people of Yemen may lead safely in

their country and in their homes

4:21:524:21:57

without fear once more.

4:21:574:22:05

Misty Deputy Speaker, like to thank

the Right Honourable member for

4:22:054:22:07

Sutton Coldfield for bringing this

debate, I think it's important we

4:22:074:22:10

debate this issue and debate it

frequently, such as the scale of the

4:22:104:22:14

catastrophe and I'd also like to

thank my honourable friend the chair

4:22:144:22:18

of the International Development

Committee fully speech, which I

4:22:184:22:20

thought was very illuminating,

focused and spoke to the heart of

4:22:204:22:23

the problem. I think there are two

issues, today's crisis and

4:22:234:22:29

tomorrow's crisis. Today's crisis, I

think there is a consensus in this

4:22:294:22:33

House, today's crisis is that the

blockade must end. We must help the

4:22:334:22:37

people of Yemen right now

irrespective of all the other

4:22:374:22:41

issues. This is about life and death

and nothing else and that's what we

4:22:414:22:44

should be focused on. For todaysays

it is important, imperative, that

4:22:444:22:51

with the UK Government and other

governments throughout all of our

4:22:514:22:54

agencies put pressure on so that

this blockade is lifted and allows

4:22:544:22:59

aid into Yemen so that those people

in Yemen can be relieved of their

4:22:594:23:03

suffering. There are some issues

that transcend today's crisis and

4:23:034:23:08

tomorrow's crisis that have not been

brought about, local warlords,

4:23:084:23:14

fights over economic assets

including oil within the country,

4:23:144:23:17

roadblocks, illegal taxis, theft of

aid, it's a complex situation on the

4:23:174:23:23

ground that we must understand and

we must understand it for tomorrow's

4:23:234:23:28

crisis, because we don't want a

crisis tomorrow. We must try to

4:23:284:23:33

resolve Yemen so that it has a

future, not one that is an internal

4:23:334:23:37

crisis. -- internal crisis.

Primarily it requires peace. I think

4:23:374:23:48

in requiring peace we have got to

look at the circumstances that led

4:23:484:23:51

to the situation that we face, if we

are to find a long-term solution to

4:23:514:23:56

Yemen. I would just say, issues that

haven't been raised that are

4:23:564:24:04

important, the Gulf coalition

council and the Gulf countries,

4:24:044:24:07

particularly Saudi Arabia, were the

largest donors to Yemen and still

4:24:074:24:13

remain so now today and they will

continue to be in the future the

4:24:134:24:21

largest donors. Secondly, and what

dwarfs that, is what Yemen really

4:24:214:24:26

needs, is a better relationship with

Saudi Arabia. The border is

4:24:264:24:29

currently closed because of the

Houthis and one of the biggest

4:24:294:24:35

economic elements of Yemen is the

remittances that are paid by the

4:24:354:24:41

Yemeni workers who work in Saudi

Arabia, they no longer work in Saudi

4:24:414:24:44

Arabia because of this conflict,

they are victims of this. Open trade

4:24:444:24:49

has ended, the economy in Yemen is

suffering. We need a relationship

4:24:494:24:52

between Saudi Arabia, the principal

partner of Yemen, and Yemen, and

4:24:524:24:57

that's part of the future. That is

part of the peace building process.

4:24:574:25:04

But what has led to this conflict

and why have Saudi Arabia taken the

4:25:044:25:08

action they have taken? We need to

understand that despite the fact I

4:25:084:25:10

do not agree with the blockade.

There is the rocket on the 4th of

4:25:104:25:15

November fight that many people have

referenced. But that's only one

4:25:154:25:21

rocket, of I thought 54, but I stand

to be corrected, I'm told it was 80

4:25:214:25:26

rockets. The original rockets were

at distances of 1000 kilometres,

4:25:264:25:29

SCUD missiles provided by North

Korea, but we now understand in the

4:25:294:25:34

latest development that the rockets

that have been provided into the

4:25:344:25:36

area, or supplied to the Houthis,

are Iranian made rockets. They are

4:25:364:25:42

coming from Tehran. If we are to

resolve this situation there needs

4:25:424:25:48

to be a demilitarisation. I go back

to UN resolution 2216 when we look

4:25:484:25:55

at what is at heart of this. What UN

resolution to 216 says is the

4:25:554:26:01

Houthis must withdraw from all

occupied areas, they must really

4:26:014:26:05

wish all arms and military assets --

2216. They must refrain from

4:26:054:26:10

provocation, that they must enter

into peace talks, and are sanctions

4:26:104:26:14

on individuals because of the

actions that they have taken in the

4:26:144:26:18

name of the Houthi Alliance. Let's

look at the resolution when it came

4:26:184:26:24

through the United Nations, 15

voting members, we talk about there

4:26:244:26:29

was no alliance, or that there is

chaos, the world was clear, 14

4:26:294:26:32

members voted for UN resolution

2216, only one member abstained, the

4:26:324:26:40

Russian Federation on the

intervention on Syria was their

4:26:404:26:43

principle, I presume. No members

voted against. The world was united

4:26:434:26:46

in condemning the Houthis and we

look at the situation now and

4:26:464:26:52

provocation that Saudi Arabia faces,

incursions, and as I said earlier in

4:26:524:26:56

an intervention, you can go on the

Internet and there are a plethora of

4:26:564:27:02

Houthi videos showing extreme

violence inside Saudi Arabia killing

4:27:024:27:05

Saudi Arabian citizens, attacking

schools, and killing Saudi Arabian

4:27:054:27:11

Armed Forces and armed personnel.

There is a violence that surrounds

4:27:114:27:19

the Houthis. I was fortunate enough

to meet the Iranians at the

4:27:194:27:24

Conference in St Petersburg and it

was put to the Iranians about the

4:27:244:27:28

arms currently in Yemen and they

admitted there were Iranian arms in

4:27:284:27:32

Yemen but they said it wasn't Iran

supplying them, it was being

4:27:324:27:35

supplied by Hezbollah. I thought the

minister was going to ask me to give

4:27:354:27:41

way. I think there is a real concern

about the evolving situation in

4:27:414:27:46

North Yemen, and why after 70

accords and agreements still the

4:27:464:27:53

Houthis won't come to the table. It

is an empty chair that is waiting

4:27:534:27:56

for them and they will not sit in

it. They have no excuse while they

4:27:564:28:00

will not sit in a seat that affords

them peace talks and the path to a

4:28:004:28:04

future prosperity for the people.

Why should we be concerned, if you

4:28:044:28:10

look at the BBC documentary that

goes undercover in Sanaa, what you

4:28:104:28:15

see is oppression, you see the

posters go up. I know the Right

4:28:154:28:19

Honourable member for Sutton

Coldfield mentioned, he said death

4:28:194:28:23

to America and this was some sort of

reprisal. I think he omitted the

4:28:234:28:27

remainder of those posters and

chance, that he said schoolchildren

4:28:274:28:32

were singing, actually they are

forced to sing -- chants. The chant

4:28:324:28:37

is death to America, death to Israel

and curse on the Jews. I understand

4:28:374:28:46

why this is an empty chair now. When

we talk about the conflict I would

4:28:464:28:50

ask the question, what is Israel to

do with this conflict and why a

4:28:504:28:54

curse on the Jews? How is that

relevant to this particular

4:28:544:28:57

conflict? It isn't. I would finish

with this point because I do want to

4:28:574:29:01

wrap up and allow others to speak.

There are many points I could make.

4:29:014:29:07

But the Houthis must come to the

table. They must be forced to come

4:29:074:29:12

to the table. Otherwise, we will not

get peace. Removing the blockade,

4:29:124:29:17

sending as much aid in as we want me

solve today's crisis. It will not

4:29:174:29:22

solve tomorrow's crisis. Tomorrow's

crisis has to be solved by

4:29:224:29:27

diplomacy, and it means everybody

getting round the table, it means a

4:29:274:29:31

demilitarisation, but it means

people in this House and across the

4:29:314:29:34

world have to accept the

difficulties in Yemen, face up to

4:29:344:29:40

the difficulties and start to meet

those challenges. We can't get

4:29:404:29:42

caught in talking about, and I know

it was mentioned earlier and I'm

4:29:424:29:45

going to finish on this point, the

United States shouldn't sell defence

4:29:454:29:50

missile systems to Saudi Arabia. I

finish on this point. They sell the

4:29:504:29:55

US Patriot missile system, it's a

defence battery. Those 80 missiles

4:29:554:30:00

fired by the Houthis have been shot

down by US Patriot missile systems

4:30:004:30:04

supplied by the United States. Is

this House is really saying that in

4:30:044:30:08

all of those defence sales we should

not sell, or the United States in

4:30:084:30:12

this case, sell US Patriot defence

missile systems to shoot down those

4:30:124:30:16

rockets that were fired on the

border in November? I don't think

4:30:164:30:20

people are. I think people need to

accept this is a very complicated

4:30:204:30:26

situation. Finally, Mr Speaker, we

need the Houthis to come to the

4:30:264:30:29

table.

Point of order, Clive Lewis.

Thank you, Mr Speaker. I accept the

4:30:294:30:36

debate on Yemen is a worthy and

important debate, clearly, the two

4:30:364:30:40

debates coming after this, one of

which I am sponsoring, which is the

4:30:404:30:44

RBS and geology, is also critically

important, there are lots of people

4:30:444:30:49

on both sides of the House that want

to speak in this debate and with the

4:30:494:30:52

guillotine as it is today that will

leave insufficient time to get this

4:30:524:30:56

deal and proper attention as it so

rightly deserves, so with that in

4:30:564:31:00

mind I'm prepared to pull my debate

if the Deputy Speaker can speak to

4:31:004:31:04

the leader the House to secure more

substantial time for this to take

4:31:044:31:08

place properly. -- GRG I totally

agree, it is a well subscribed

4:31:084:31:14

debate that was going to come on in

your name.

The fact is I will want

4:31:144:31:19

to curtail that debate because I

think there is a lot to be said and

4:31:194:31:22

I think it is the right procedure

that is being offered to the House

4:31:224:31:26

today. Of course, I will speak to

the Leader of the House of Lords but

4:31:264:31:29

more so I have already spoken to the

chair of the backbench committee who

4:31:294:31:33

has assured me that this is a

priority to bring back, and I think

4:31:334:31:37

everybody will recognise that we

would not want to stop that

4:31:374:31:40

important debate by curtailing it

would the amount of time left, so

4:31:404:31:44

therefore, absolutely, I will speak

to her ever we need to do to make

4:31:444:31:47

sure there is enough time to be

brought forward. -- whoever we need

4:31:474:31:50

to.

Thank you, Mr Deputy Speaker. I

want to start by paying tribute to

4:31:504:31:59

the Right Honourable gentleman, the

member for Sutton Coldfield, for

4:31:594:32:02

securing this incredibly important

debate. I also want to thank him for

4:32:024:32:08

the work he has done in the House

and elsewhere for putting Yemen on

4:32:084:32:13

our agenda and it's a similar

tribute I want to make to my

4:32:134:32:18

honourable friend, the member for

Leicester East, for all the work he

4:32:184:32:22

has done, and for the inquiry that

he is shortly to launch. As we heard

4:32:224:32:29

today, Mr Deputy Speaker, even

before the conflict, Yemen was the

4:32:294:32:32

first country in that region but the

war has devastated the country and

4:32:324:32:40

its infrastructure. Oxfam refought,

report that ports, roads and bridges

4:32:404:32:43

for supply routes for warehouses,

farms and markets have been

4:32:434:32:48

destroyed by all sides draining the

country's food stocks. At least

4:32:484:32:52

10,000 civilians have already died

in the conflict and at least 40,000

4:32:524:32:57

have been injured. We also know that

the Saudi blockade started on

4:32:574:33:03

November the 5th, following the

firing of a ballistic missile into

4:33:034:33:06

Saudi territory from Yemen. In

response, Saudi Arabia closed all

4:33:064:33:14

land, air and sea ports in Yemen and

ground humanitarian flights and all

4:33:144:33:20

other aid for a number of weeks. The

Saudi government may have partially

4:33:204:33:25

lifted the blockade. But imports of

vital food, fuel and medicines

4:33:254:33:32

remain severely restricted, and

particularly in the rebel held

4:33:324:33:38

north, the majority of the

population. And there has been no

4:33:384:33:43

clearance for ships containing fuel

preventing the milling and

4:33:434:33:49

transportation of food stocks, as

well as the operation of generators

4:33:494:33:53

for health, water and sewage

systems. Humanitarian agencies need

4:33:534:33:57

at least 1 million litres of fuel

each month. Fuel shortages have shut

4:33:574:34:04

down hospitals and deprived entire

cities of clean water and

4:34:044:34:08

sanitation. Aid agencies are gravely

concerned about the implications of

4:34:084:34:13

the blockade on the existing crisis,

including starvation and diseases

4:34:134:34:20

including cholera and diphtheria.

The conflict has had a devastating

4:34:204:34:26

impact on civilians, both directly

from the violence on both sides and

4:34:264:34:30

from its impact on Yemen's economy

and critical services. They have

4:34:304:34:35

experienced, as we have heard, the

largest cholera outbreak in recent

4:34:354:34:39

history peaking at almost 900,000

suspected cases. Let's be clear, Mr

4:34:394:34:46

Deputy Speaker, Yemen is the world's

worst humanitarian crisis. The

4:34:464:34:51

country is on the brink of the

world's largest famine with 80% of

4:34:514:34:55

the population, 20.7 million people,

in need of aid. And dusty Honourable

4:34:554:35:04

Lady, the member for Glasgow say,

pointed out so vividly earlier, 130

4:35:044:35:10

children die every day in Yemen from

hunger or disease, the equivalent to

4:35:104:35:17

a child every few minutes. These

deaths are senseless as they are

4:35:174:35:22

preventable, and that's the

conclusion of Save the Children who

4:35:224:35:26

have been working in the country for

some time. They also have pointed

4:35:264:35:31

out the scale of need with Yemen

requiring 350,000 metric tonnes of

4:35:314:35:36

food imports every month, and 80% of

that food must, through the two

4:35:364:35:44

ports that are currently closed. We

have heard a little bit this

4:35:444:35:50

afternoon about the relaxing of the

blockades but the blockade,

4:35:504:35:57

information we have to date is that

age that has got through has been

4:35:574:36:02

pathetically small compared to the

overall scale of need and the

4:36:024:36:08

country's stocks of wheat and sugar

will not last for longer than a few

4:36:084:36:13

months without a full lifting of the

blockade. We acknowledge on this

4:36:134:36:18

side of the House that UK aid has

been vital and that it is really

4:36:184:36:26

important that it reaches people on

the ground in Yemen and that DFID

4:36:264:36:33

have given 155 million. I also think

we need to take time to pay tribute

4:36:334:36:37

to the NGOs, including Save the

Children, Oxfam and Medecins Sans

4:36:374:36:44

Frontieres who are working on the

front line to provide emergency food

4:36:444:36:48

and other supplies. And also that we

acknowledge their work in being an

4:36:484:36:54

advocate for the region and

highlighting some of the really

4:36:544:36:59

devastating consequences, not only

of the conflict but of the blockade.

4:36:594:37:06

Oxfam has described the conflict in

Yemen as the forgotten war, so we

4:37:064:37:14

must acknowledge the important work

those aid agencies are doing at this

4:37:144:37:17

really incredibly difficult

situation. Humanitarian support can

4:37:174:37:25

only meet a part of the need, and

what we really need to see is the

4:37:254:37:31

commercial shipments being allowed

to continue.

4:37:314:37:36

The UK Government is the second

largest donor to the appeal, but

4:37:364:37:42

efforts to address the humanitarian

situation and push for political

4:37:424:37:46

progress have, I think,

unfortunately, been inconsistent

4:37:464:37:49

with the ongoing support, the

actions of the Saudi- led coalition.

4:37:494:37:57

The UK is the pen holder for Yemen

in the UN Security Council, as well

4:37:574:38:02

as one of the largest donors of

humanitarian aid. We are a major

4:38:024:38:07

arms supplier to Saudi Arabia and

the UAE, and are so uniquely placed

4:38:074:38:12

to demonstrate the political

leadership that is needed to bring

4:38:124:38:15

an end to the crisis in Yemen. I

listened closely to what the

4:38:154:38:21

minister said this afternoon, and

indeed I think a number of us on

4:38:214:38:24

this side of the house have a lot of

respect for the honourable gentleman

4:38:244:38:28

and the work that he does, but I do

think the government does need to

4:38:284:38:33

work harder to ensure there is not

an incoherence between the foreign

4:38:334:38:40

policy for Yemen and Saudi Arabia,

and the DfID humanitarian policies.

4:38:404:38:48

I just want in the last few minutes,

Mr Deputy Speaker, to say something

4:38:484:38:53

about what needs to happen now. The

UK is a member of the grouping

4:38:534:39:02

alongside the UAE, Saudi Arabia, US

and oh man, and led on a UN Security

4:39:024:39:07

Council presidential statement in

June which called on all parties to

4:39:074:39:11

engage in peace talks, and to allow

unhindered access for humanitarian

4:39:114:39:15

supplies. And we know that a meeting

took place yesterday of the members,

4:39:154:39:23

and ministers did agree that there

was a shared responsibility amongst

4:39:234:39:29

all parties to ensure safe, rapid

and unhindered access for goods and

4:39:294:39:34

humanitarian personnel. And also,

ministers said they would back any

4:39:344:39:44

redoubling efforts to reach a

political solution, which remains

4:39:444:39:48

the only route to ending conflict

and addressing security threats to

4:39:484:39:54

Yemen's neighbours. They recognised

the need for all sides to show

4:39:544:39:59

flexibility and to abandon

preconditions, and called on Houthis

4:39:594:40:02

and their allies to engage the UN

special envoy on the political

4:40:024:40:09

process. Ministers agreed that this

urgent issue would necessitate them

4:40:094:40:14

meeting and consulting regularly to

coordinate approaches and identify

4:40:144:40:17

concrete steps, leading to a

political settlement. The difficulty

4:40:174:40:22

we have today is we don't know what

any of that means. So I have a few

4:40:224:40:28

requests for the Minister. First,

that we get a lot more information

4:40:284:40:34

about what those statements made by

the meeting yesterday will mean in

4:40:344:40:39

practice, including a timescale.

That the government uses its

4:40:394:40:44

considerable leveraged to ensure

that the blockade by the Saudis is

4:40:444:40:51

lifted immediately, to let

humanitarian aid flow. That more

4:40:514:40:57

effort is put into a new UN

resolution to condemn what is going

4:40:574:41:02

on in Yemen, and ensure that

progress can be made. That the

4:41:024:41:07

government does all it can to ensure

there is greater transparency about

4:41:074:41:12

what is happening in Yemen,

including greater access for aid

4:41:124:41:17

agencies and the media. And lastly,

Mr Deputy Speaker, that we all in

4:41:174:41:22

this House not put Yemen into the

too difficult by and get it down and

4:41:224:41:29

in some of the conflict, that we

concentrate our efforts on

4:41:294:41:37

alleviating the huge distress being

caused to people in that country and

4:41:374:41:41

work towards a political solution.

A

catastrophe of biblical proportions

4:41:414:41:49

was the phrase used by the right

honourable gentleman from Sutton

4:41:494:41:53

Coldfield, a former development

secretary. And that is quite a

4:41:534:41:58

statement to make. It has been

adumbrated further by many

4:41:584:42:02

honourable and write honourable

members who have described

4:42:024:42:04

eloquently and chillingly that

miasma of despair and death that

4:42:044:42:08

hangs over the people of Yemen at

this time. But what has alarmed me

4:42:084:42:19

throughout this debate this

afternoon, which I commend him for

4:42:194:42:25

securing, is that you can extract

the word "Yemen" and replace it with

4:42:254:42:33

"Syria" in so many circumstances.

Very different conflicts, indeed,

4:42:334:42:38

very different complex. But the

suffering and pain and misery and

4:42:384:42:44

death is all too familiar in these

types of debates. And it is

4:42:444:42:49

important that we do not become

desensitised to that, or, as the

4:42:494:42:57

honourable lady from the City of

Durham says, put it into the too

4:42:574:43:02

difficult box. The other thing that

alarms me, which also has parallels

4:43:024:43:09

with Syria, is weaponise Inc food

against people, leading to some of

4:43:094:43:18

the most horrifying tales of hunger

and deprivation, of medieval style

4:43:184:43:26

outbreaks of disease that are

killing people into the hundreds of

4:43:264:43:31

thousands. I don't want to take up

too much time so I am going to wind

4:43:314:43:38

up with this. The Prime Minister is

in the region right now, as the

4:43:384:43:45

House debate this issue. And it has

been said that she has raised and

4:43:454:43:49

will raise the issue of Yemen. And

of course, it would be preferable

4:43:494:43:55

for her to do that than to not do

that, so it is at least a start, but

4:43:554:44:00

only a start. Because I am very

tired, as lots of honourable and

4:44:004:44:04

write honourable members are, of

hearing of government ministers

4:44:044:44:08

raising things. Because I don't know

what that means sometimes. I can

4:44:084:44:13

recall my first debate in the house

two years ago was on the case of an

4:44:134:44:19

imprisoned Saudi writer, and on the

broader issue of human rights in

4:44:194:44:25

Saudi Arabia. I remember carrying

out research for my first debate

4:44:254:44:30

with some researchers from the House

of Commons library, who told me at

4:44:304:44:34

the time that sometimes it is known

for ministers to raise issues not by

4:44:344:44:40

verbalising their views, but by

writing things on sheets of paper

4:44:404:44:42

and holding it up, so that it can be

read by other people in the room.

4:44:424:44:49

The Minister shakes his head. I

wouldn't dream of accusing the

4:44:494:44:53

Minister of doing anything like it,

because he knows I respect him. I

4:44:534:44:58

think he is a thoughtful, very good

minister in his department. But I

4:44:584:45:02

think it is about time we started to

see some action. The Prime Minister

4:45:024:45:07

should not return from her trip

until she has secured something in

4:45:074:45:11

terms of the blockade of Yemen. And

I do wish to touch on the issue of

4:45:114:45:19

arms sales to Saudi Arabia, as has

been mentioned by other members, as

4:45:194:45:24

was raised with the Prime Minister

by my party leader as well. There is

4:45:244:45:30

an issue in the fact that we get

billions in arms sales from the UK

4:45:304:45:37

to Saudi Arabia, filling up the

coffers of the exchequer with the

4:45:374:45:40

tax receipts, into the billions, and

spend only in the millions on aid. I

4:45:404:45:49

accept that we are one of the

biggest donors, which is to be

4:45:494:45:54

commended, but the aid is

bastardised by the fact that we are

4:45:544:45:57

on the one hand facilitating the

shelling of the very people, on the

4:45:574:46:02

other hand we are trying to help

with aid. We find ourselves in the

4:46:024:46:07

most per verse situation. Whilst I

do not blame this minister in

4:46:074:46:13

particular for that, it does seem to

be the characterisation of British

4:46:134:46:19

foreign policy, not just in this

complex, but in many political

4:46:194:46:24

situations we have been involved in

over a great many years. But I

4:46:244:46:32

commend the right honourable

gentleman in securing this debate,

4:46:324:46:34

and the work that he and the chair

of the all-party group bows, and my

4:46:344:46:39

honourable friend the member for

Glasgow Central. How much better

4:46:394:46:43

might it be, Mr Deputy Speaker, if

it was the right honourable

4:46:434:46:47

gentleman from Sutton Coldfield

occupying the chair of the Foreign

4:46:474:46:51

Secretary around the Cabinet table,

as opposed to the one that occupies

4:46:514:46:54

it now?

Thank you very much. I will

take just two minutes, as allotted,

4:46:544:47:06

so my right honourable friend can

make some closing remarks. Can I

4:47:064:47:09

thank him for raising it and thank

colleagues for the way in which they

4:47:094:47:13

have dealt with the debate, and the

constructive way in which almost all

4:47:134:47:17

colleagues have raised remarks. We

are agreed that we want immediate

4:47:174:47:23

access for humanitarian and

commercial aid to get into the ports

4:47:234:47:26

in Yemen. I don't want to dance on

the head of a pin of the blockade.

4:47:264:47:32

It is what colleagues called it in

the house, it is what it is. There

4:47:324:47:37

are international rules about

whether something is a blockade or

4:47:374:47:39

not. International humanitarian law

prevents starvation of civilians as

4:47:394:47:44

a method of warfare, including

blockades, with the intent of

4:47:444:47:47

causing starvation. The public Saudi

statement on their intent is that it

4:47:474:47:53

is not to cause starvation but to

ensure missiles do not enter Yemen.

4:47:534:47:58

I would be failing if I did not put

that on the record. There has been

4:47:584:48:02

an easing in recent days. We are

agreed we want greater access, and

4:48:024:48:07

secondly we want an end to the

conflict. I have sought to assure

4:48:074:48:12

colleagues we are bending every

sinew to try and assist in a process

4:48:124:48:15

in which we are not fully in control

and in which not all parties are yet

4:48:154:48:20

engaged in the same way as the

coalition parties are engaged with

4:48:204:48:25

the UN. Lastly, to commend the

Secretary of State for International

4:48:254:48:30

Development, who has made and sure

in that access to humanitarian aid

4:48:304:48:33

is one of the top priorities in

Yemen. We have been feeding millions

4:48:334:48:38

of people. We are determined to

continue to do so. Food for 1.8

4:48:384:48:45

million people for at least a month,

nutrition support for 1.7 million

4:48:454:48:50

people, water and sanitation for 1.2

million people. The country is doing

4:48:504:48:54

what it can not on the aid side. But

we all know commercial access has to

4:48:544:49:01

be granted, we need more food, an

end to the urgency of the situation.

4:49:014:49:06

We need to also support those who

are trying to ensure a legitimate

4:49:064:49:10

government is protected against

those from outside and internal

4:49:104:49:14

insurgency. And we need to bend all

our efforts to resolving the

4:49:144:49:18

conflict, and the UK will do so to

the best of its ability.

Mr Deputy

4:49:184:49:25

Speaker, it has been a most useful

debate. There is agreement across

4:49:254:49:29

the house on two key things. The

British government must do

4:49:294:49:33

everything it can to ensure this

blockade is lifted. It is a breach

4:49:334:49:40

of international humanitarian law.

It is a collective punishment

4:49:404:49:43

beating for the 27 million people

who live in the Yemen, and it must

4:49:434:49:46

be lifted. Secondly, and here the

British government has a most

4:49:464:49:51

important role, we must see a

political process that is inclusive

4:49:514:49:55

getting going. Those are the two key

messages the Minister I hope will

4:49:554:50:01

take home with him, back to the

Foreign Office today. But also, in

4:50:014:50:07

different ways, across the house

almost every speaker has pointed to

4:50:074:50:10

the Fault line in the policy of the

government which exists. It was set

4:50:104:50:15

out with exemplary clarity by the

honourable gentleman for Glasgow

4:50:154:50:21

South a few moments ago. That makes

those two objectives more difficult

4:50:214:50:25

to achieve. But those are the

objectives which I hope the Minister

4:50:254:50:29

will take away with him and the

whole House will want to wish him

4:50:294:50:34

success in eg think that.

The

question is that this House

4:50:344:50:42

considers the current situation in

Yemen. The ayes have it.

Thank you,

4:50:424:50:54

Mr Deputy Speaker. On a point of

order, tomorrow the house is due to

4:50:544:51:00

debate the second reading of the

private members bill entitled

4:51:004:51:04

parliamentary constituencies

Amendment Bill. Unfortunately this

4:51:044:51:06

morning I was unable to find a copy

of the bill, as it was being

4:51:064:51:11

reprinted, as it contained an error.

The error was that Scotland was

4:51:114:51:17

omitted from the bill. I am told it

is being reprinted to include

4:51:174:51:22

Scotland and will be available at

some point today. Can I ask you

4:51:224:51:26

whether the House can debate the

bill tomorrow, bearing in mind

4:51:264:51:30

printed copies have not been made

available in good time? And can I

4:51:304:51:35

also ask whether you understand that

Her Majesty's official opposition no

4:51:354:51:39

longer sees Scotland as important

enough to be named alongside

4:51:394:51:43

England, Wales and Northern Ireland

in important pieces of potential

4:51:434:51:46

legislation?

You were doing all

right until the end. You ruined a

4:51:464:51:53

very good point of order. The first

answer is, unfortunately the

4:51:534:51:56

opposition are not in charge of

printing, so I think you will regret

4:51:564:52:00

what you added on, as there was no

need. But I can say that it is

4:52:004:52:06

important that we get it right.

There has been a printing error. It

4:52:064:52:11

is enabling us to debate tomorrow,

so to reassure you, we will be here

4:52:114:52:15

tomorrow. The debate will take

place. Scotland is included but it

4:52:154:52:21

was a complete printing error. So

don't worry about that, and let us

4:52:214:52:26

not try and make political points

out of what was a very good point of

4:52:264:52:29

order until then.

4:52:294:52:35

Now, the second debate, the back

bench withdrawn, will come to the

4:52:354:52:40

backbench notion on mental health

and suicide. Doctor Lisa Cameron.

4:52:404:52:47

Thank you very much what I want to

thank everyone across this House,

4:52:474:52:53

the matter what side of the chamber

they are sitting on, who supported

4:52:534:52:57

the application of this important

debate to the backbench business

4:52:574:53:00

committee. It is a cross-party

endeavour to raise the profile of

4:53:004:53:05

this issue, awareness of mental

health issues within the community,

4:53:054:53:13

difficulties regarding access to

services, the importance of funding

4:53:134:53:16

adequate support and the progress we

all must make right across the UK

4:53:164:53:20

for this population. Before I start

I want to thank the many autism

4:53:204:53:27

charities, mental health territories

and research groups that have

4:53:274:53:31

reached out to me over the past view

weeks. Mental health charities.

I

4:53:314:53:36

thank you to giving way, will she

join me in thanking the autism

4:53:364:53:44

family who have two autistic boys

and who do so much to support other

4:53:444:53:50

families who find it difficult to

access health care.

I thank you for

4:53:504:53:56

your very important words, yes, the

bedrock of much of the work that is

4:53:564:54:00

undertaken right across the UK is

based in small charities, those who

4:54:004:54:05

have personal experience and who

knows what works and what needs to

4:54:054:54:09

be done. The level of interest in

this debate clearly shows this issue

4:54:094:54:14

is important, it is important to so

many across the UK, to some of the

4:54:144:54:20

charities that we have already heard

named and to charities who have

4:54:204:54:24

contacted myself including the

British autistic Society, well

4:54:244:54:31

college of psychiatrists and the

British psychological Society --

4:54:314:54:33

well college. -- royal college.

I

thank you for giving way. Would she

4:54:334:54:42

agree with me in congratulating some

of the women in a organisation in

4:54:424:54:50

Coventry who are very much involved

in mental health issues. And they

4:54:504:54:55

will give any help they can. But

quite often the government should

4:54:554:55:03

give proper grants to these

organisations.

That is a very

4:55:034:55:07

important point, we have to make

sure that when we consider

4:55:074:55:10

especially young people with

autistic spectrum disorder, often we

4:55:104:55:14

are thinking about a family

approach, and carers are at the

4:55:144:55:19

forefront of providing support and

they need the best resources

4:55:194:55:21

possible. I also want to thank the

many citizens from across these

4:55:214:55:27

isles have been in contact with me

to give their own personal accounts.

4:55:274:55:33

These have been harrowing to read

and more harrowing for them to

4:55:334:55:36

experience, and I think it makes

eagle realise how vital this debate

4:55:364:55:41

and this issue is -- makes us the

lights. -- realise. I want to thank

4:55:414:55:53

the young patrons who are up in the

chamber today. They have been

4:55:534:55:57

helping so many people and raising

important awareness was in finally I

4:55:574:56:01

want to give specific thanks to the

MP from South Cambridgeshire and the

4:56:014:56:04

MP from Cheshire and Amersham who

have worked very hard on this debate

4:56:044:56:10

and for people with spectrum

autistic disorder through the all

4:56:104:56:14

Parliamentary group over many many

years. As a psychologist, I contain

4:56:144:56:19

you that when it comes to autism and

mental health, progress has been

4:56:194:56:26

made since I started in 1990 when

waiting lists were extremely long,

4:56:264:56:32

almost a year, or over, and when

services were very very limited. But

4:56:324:56:38

much more must be done, right across

the UK. I will give way.

Can I take

4:56:384:56:44

you that in Durham the waiting list

is still two years long.

Excellent

4:56:444:56:54

point and that is clearly not

acceptable. We are initiating across

4:56:544:57:01

the UK, a waiting time initiative,

but what we are finding is that the

4:57:014:57:05

experience at the front line and on

the ground for families and young

4:57:054:57:08

people with autism, is that despite

the waiting list initiatives and the

4:57:084:57:14

waiting times that are expected to

be in place, that that is not the

4:57:144:57:20

reality for people. Therefore we

need to address that quite

4:57:204:57:23

seriously.

You have been very

generous. Does she also agree that

4:57:234:57:32

often mental health issues for

adults with autism can arise out of

4:57:324:57:37

the way that they are treated when

they encounter the criminal justice

4:57:374:57:41

system in society and that sometimes

behaviours that come along with this

4:57:414:57:48

condition can be misinterpreted by

people in the criminal justice

4:57:484:57:50

system. It is important that we get

the health provision right but also

4:57:504:57:55

make sure that people within the

criminal justice system understand

4:57:554:57:58

about autism and take that into

account when they meet adults with

4:57:584:58:02

autism.

I absolutely wholeheartedly

agree with that point. I actually

4:58:024:58:10

have her still clinical experience

of that through working across a

4:58:104:58:14

variety of secure hospitals and

prisons in my own practice with the

4:58:144:58:18

NHS. You make such a good point in

relation to the criminal justice

4:58:184:58:26

system because often people with

autistic spectrum disorder find

4:58:264:58:30

themselves caught up in the criminal

justice system which has little

4:58:304:58:33

awareness of their needs and the

support they need and therefore when

4:58:334:58:38

they get caught up in the system it

is very difficult for them to then

4:58:384:58:42

move on and rehabilitate because the

provision is just not there. I will

4:58:424:58:46

give way.

Thank you. To follow on,

there is an argument that says the

4:58:464:58:58

police need training to handle some

of these shunt people, don't you

4:58:584:59:02

agree that something should be done

about that to give the police some

4:59:024:59:07

sort of training?

I would agree with

that point. Police services on the

4:59:074:59:15

front line and they deserve the

utmost respect for the work they do.

4:59:154:59:20

It is correct to say they require

further training but also further

4:59:204:59:25

support and there needs to be a

clear pathway when people do if

4:59:254:59:28

civic challenging behaviours in the

community -- when people do exhibit.

4:59:284:59:42

I will give way.

You will be aware

that the societal body that is more

4:59:424:59:51

likely to come in contact with

someone who is potentially going to

4:59:514:59:53

take their own life are in fact the

police, and they are doing quite

4:59:534:59:58

critical work in both British

Transport Police, to look at how

4:59:585:00:08

staff can be trained to identify

potential suicides and to take

5:00:085:00:12

action, to take people back at a

time of crisis in their life, to

5:00:125:00:16

prevent them actually taking forward

a suicide, and I don't think we

5:00:165:00:22

should criticise the police to much,

they are doing great work in this

5:00:225:00:24

area.

I agree. The police are at the

front line and they are facing the

5:00:245:00:30

very crux of the matter when it

comes to life or death situations

5:00:305:00:34

and they are doing the very best

with the resources and training that

5:00:345:00:37

they have. It requires a clear

pathway so that people who are at

5:00:375:00:46

the crisis stage can then access

health services and probably crisis

5:00:465:00:53

health services at that critical

stage so the police have somewhere

5:00:535:00:59

to make sure their clinical needs

are met because it is unfair for the

5:00:595:01:01

police to have to take care of

people's clinical needs when that is

5:01:015:01:06

not what they are trained for. If I

can make some progress. In 2016 a

5:01:065:01:14

study in Sweden published in the

British Journal of said Cardiff and

5:01:145:01:20

people with autism disorder were

nine times more likely to die from

5:01:205:01:25

suicide than the rest of the

population -- British Journal of

5:01:255:01:29

psychiatry. There is in fact a 16

year age gap in life expectancy

5:01:295:01:40

between people with autistic

spectrum disorder and the general

5:01:405:01:42

population. To put this bluntly,

people with autistic spectrum

5:01:425:01:48

disorder are 28 times more likely to

consider suicide than the average

5:01:485:01:52

population, 28 times. These

statistics make one thing very

5:01:525:01:58

clear, what we are doing now to

support people with autistic

5:01:585:02:01

spectrum disorder is not working, it

is not enough. We know from research

5:02:015:02:08

that people with autistic spectrum

disorder by seven out of ten

5:02:085:02:12

experience mental health issues

including anxiety and depression,

5:02:125:02:17

and we have to have services in

place which make sure that people

5:02:175:02:21

are cared for holistically and that

we meet all of their clinical needs.

5:02:215:02:27

That might be their autism and it

might also be learning difficulties

5:02:275:02:30

but it will also be mental health

issues. Quite frankly today we don't

5:02:305:02:35

have services in place that account

for the complexity of the needs

5:02:355:02:39

presented. So what types of things

are going wrong for people at the

5:02:395:02:45

front line? It is very difficult for

people with autistic spectrum

5:02:455:02:50

disorder to access mental health

support to the usual routes. For

5:02:505:02:53

most of us, this might be going to

the GP as a first point of contact,

5:02:535:03:02

but GP practices are a daunting and

unfamiliar place for people with

5:03:025:03:06

autistic spectrum disorder. One

young man wrote to me and described

5:03:065:03:12

a recent trip, it was quite hard to

access the GP anyway, getting

5:03:125:03:17

through on the phone was very

difficult, he says. The environment

5:03:175:03:21

when he got there was more

difficult, it was noisy and very

5:03:215:03:26

heart, and there was a loud beep

when I called the next person and I

5:03:265:03:29

found that quite painful. When I was

feeling emotionally poorly it became

5:03:295:03:34

almost impossible. GP surgeries make

reasonable adjustments for

5:03:345:03:40

wheelchair uses everyday, civil --

changes that make the life of these

5:03:405:03:47

users better. I think reasonable

adjustments should be made for

5:03:475:03:54

autistic spectrum disorder

sufferers. We need easy access to

5:03:545:03:58

the service and we need to make sure

that GPs know who is on their

5:03:585:04:02

register who has a diagnosis of

autistic spectrum disorder. If

5:04:025:04:05

someone with autistic spectrum

disorder bypasses their GP and tries

5:04:055:04:11

to go straight to mental health

services, they may face

5:04:115:04:15

unprecedented waiting times or they

may simply be refused treatment.

5:04:155:04:21

When individuals attend services,

sometimes they find that they get to

5:04:215:04:24

the service but then they are

discharged without any follow-up.

5:04:245:04:28

Last week at the health select

committee we heard how a young boy

5:04:285:04:32

was turned away by adolescent health

services for times despite feeling

5:04:325:04:39

suicide because he hadn't yet

attempted to take his own life. This

5:04:395:04:43

is extremely important, things have

it a crisis point. We need to be

5:04:435:04:49

making sure that we engage in

prevention and that attempting to

5:04:495:04:54

take your own life isn't the point

at which you receive treatment, that

5:04:545:04:57

early intervention and pinpointing

the symptoms of difficulty are where

5:04:575:05:02

we should be aiming for treatment

for them I will give way.

Thank you.

5:05:025:05:10

Thank you for skin this very

important debate. We sit on the

5:05:105:05:12

health select committee -- thank you

for securing this very important

5:05:125:05:17

debate. The point at which someone

is most lightly to take their life

5:05:175:05:23

is when they are discharged from

inpatient care, -- most likely.

5:05:235:05:29

We're waiting for a response in

government, so does she believe that

5:05:295:05:34

anything should be done to make sure

that those people who are most

5:05:345:05:37

vulnerable, including those with

autistic spectrum disorder, should

5:05:375:05:42

be supported in that very important

period?

Yes, I do, that is a very

5:05:425:05:49

valid point. It is very important

that when people arrive at A&E for

5:05:495:05:57

crisis intervention, if they are

admitted for a period of time, that

5:05:575:05:59

they are discharged with follow-up,

because often people are going back

5:05:595:06:03

to the same circumstances which led

to the difficulties in the same

5:06:035:06:07

place in it don't have support to

deal with those difficult

5:06:075:06:11

circumcised as they may be placed in

a very vulnerable situation -- those

5:06:115:06:15

very difficult circumstances, they

may be placed. If someone with

5:06:155:06:25

autistic spectrum disorder feels

unable to go to GP or to reach out

5:06:255:06:29

to services in their local

community, they might try to wring a

5:06:295:06:34

suicide helpline, but that can be

extremely difficult in itself is

5:06:345:06:38

someone who has autistic spectrum

disorder and who finds communication

5:06:385:06:40

difficult and who finds social

interaction difficult, and who may

5:06:405:06:47

only be able to verbalise some of

the difficulties and who may then

5:06:475:06:51

find that there is no follow-up from

that service either. What I'm

5:06:515:06:55

saying, the early access point at a

crucial time when early intervention

5:06:555:07:00

and prevention of suicide, then we

can prevent mental health problems

5:07:005:07:04

from being exacerbated, at that

extremely critical early

5:07:045:07:10

intervention stage, much much more

has to be done to make sure access

5:07:105:07:14

to services.

5:07:145:07:21

If someone with autistic spectrum

disorder does reach a health

5:07:215:07:24

professional, they can often find

their mental health problems are

5:07:245:07:28

overlooked or misdiagnosed. That

might be because they present an

5:07:285:07:32

extremely complex case. They may

also have concomitant learning

5:07:325:07:37

difficulties. They may not present

in terms of the symptoms you would

5:07:375:07:43

usually expect for anxiety or

depression, because their symptoms

5:07:435:07:47

are complicated by the autistic

spectrum disorder itself. So it is

5:07:475:07:53

important that mental health

practitioners have training in

5:07:535:07:56

autistic spectrum disorder in the

types of presentations that they

5:07:565:07:59

might need to try to identify, and

particularly in terms of risk

5:07:595:08:03

issues. Diagnosis, I must say, is

still a postcode lottery. I have

5:08:035:08:12

requested previously, and I hope to

continue to work with the Minister

5:08:125:08:16

on this issue, because we need to

have an understanding of who is

5:08:165:08:22

appropriately trained in diagnosis

of autistic spectrum disorder, which

5:08:225:08:26

level of specialty do we have in

different types of professions, what

5:08:265:08:30

is the workforce plan to make sure

this very great need is addressed

5:08:305:08:34

across our society? It is so, so

important. People with autistic

5:08:345:08:42

spectrum disorder say they do not

know where to go locally. When I ask

5:08:425:08:46

about services in the Health Select

Committee, they say we do not really

5:08:465:08:49

have a map of who can diagnose, who

can provide specialist intervention

5:08:495:08:54

in which area of NHS England. That

is something we should streamline

5:08:545:09:00

and make it easier for people to

gain initial access. I do not want

5:09:005:09:05

to take up all of the time today, so

I am going to provide a brief

5:09:055:09:11

overview and let others speak

because I know there are so many

5:09:115:09:14

people who want to contribute to

this very important debate. But I

5:09:145:09:18

wish to touch on another few

important issues. The next one is

5:09:185:09:24

mental health therapies and access

to mental health therapies. What I

5:09:245:09:29

would do is to request that the

Minister has a look at what works

5:09:295:09:34

specifically for people who have

autistic spectrum disorder, and

5:09:345:09:38

those who have concomitant mental

health difficulties. I do not think

5:09:385:09:43

there is an adequate research base

as yet. I think that is something

5:09:435:09:47

that as we know is so critical,

life-saving, that it is something we

5:09:475:09:51

really need to prioritise in terms

of funding. Traditional mental

5:09:515:09:57

health therapies might not work in

the same way for people with

5:09:575:10:00

autistic spectrum disorder. If I've

presented at a GP surgery, I might

5:10:005:10:06

be offered problems -- cognitive

behavioural therapy, or what we

5:10:065:10:13

don't know if that is the best

option for some with autistic

5:10:135:10:16

spectrum disorder or of some kind of

adaptive therapy would be more

5:10:165:10:20

appropriate. That is important work

that should be undertaken quickly. I

5:10:205:10:32

wanted to speak about a couple of

the individuals who had contacted me

5:10:325:10:39

whose own poignant accounts really

struck me. One was an individual

5:10:395:10:44

from my own constituency who said

that she has continually tried to

5:10:445:10:48

contact services to have access to

services for her daughter, and her

5:10:485:10:55

daughter has been repeatedly

self-harming. That has placed the

5:10:555:11:00

family in such a stressful situation

over ailing the period of time that

5:11:005:11:05

the family themselves, and the

mother, and I think we mentioned

5:11:055:11:09

carers earlier, our feeling that

their own mental health is under

5:11:095:11:12

stress. What I would say is that it

is extremely important, not just for

5:11:125:11:18

the individual in the system, but

also in terms of making sure we

5:11:185:11:22

preserve family life, that we can

support carers and families and that

5:11:225:11:26

we are not actually placing

additional burden upon the NHS and

5:11:265:11:33

services, because families and

parents will go on to develop their

5:11:335:11:37

own depression and anxiety when

dealing with an intractable

5:11:375:11:40

situation. They don't know how to

cope. If we do not address the

5:11:405:11:44

problem at its root, it multiplies

the problem for services across the

5:11:445:11:48

UK. I give way.

She has been very

generous. Coming to the point about

5:11:485:11:55

carers, I met a number of carers

some months ago and one of the

5:11:555:11:59

things that struck me was the

distress. Some of them could not

5:11:595:12:03

afford a holiday. At the end of the

day, they do not get very much help.

5:12:035:12:07

They are not even paid as carers. So

there is a mental health effect on

5:12:075:12:13

the carers sometimes as well.

That's

exactly the point I'm making. We are

5:12:135:12:20

exacerbating the problem for

families. And actually, families are

5:12:205:12:22

at grave risk and placed under

significant stress over period of

5:12:225:12:27

time, to have their own

difficulties. Things that could have

5:12:275:12:32

been avoided if support was put in

at an early stage. The other case

5:12:325:12:43

that really struck me was an

individual who contacted me just

5:12:435:12:49

last night to say they hoped this

debate would make a difference,

5:12:495:12:53

because they had been struggling for

a long time to access services for

5:12:535:12:56

their daughter who had been

self-harming over many years, and

5:12:565:13:01

who in the past few weeks had tried

to throw themselves onto a Yule

5:13:015:13:06

carriageway under a number of cars.

Just feeling at crisis point,

5:13:065:13:12

breaking point, feeling isolated,

having a lack of peer support,

5:13:125:13:16

having a lack of clinical help at

the time of need. This individual

5:13:165:13:19

had been discharged a number of

times after referral for assessment.

5:13:195:13:25

I would ask of the Minister, I

understand if an individual comes to

5:13:255:13:33

a service and perhaps they do not

fit a diagnosis it can be difficult

5:13:335:13:36

to think of the types of services

and follow-up they may need and they

5:13:365:13:39

may be discharged. But that has to

be looked at, because young people

5:13:395:13:44

in this situation have grave

clinical need. They might not fit a

5:13:445:13:49

clinical box, a diagnostic box, but

they have clinical needs that

5:13:495:13:52

require to be followed up. These

individuals are falling through the

5:13:525:13:56

gaps. This family was concerned that

their young person would be falling

5:13:565:14:00

under a car and they would lose them

for good. That cannot be something

5:14:005:14:04

we allow to happen into deg's

society. As I say, it is such a

5:14:045:14:10

critical issue. It is life-saving.

If the Minister can show the

5:14:105:14:14

leadership that we need to do. The

five-year review for mental health

5:14:145:14:21

recommends the NHS in England should

develop a referral to treatment

5:14:215:14:25

pathway for people with autistic

spectrum disorder. That would be a

5:14:255:14:27

vital step. It is too complicated.

People don't know where to access

5:14:275:14:33

services, don't know where to go.

Even services themselves do not know

5:14:335:14:37

the best route for people after they

present. This has to be streamlined

5:14:375:14:40

and we need to see progress in this

regard. We also need, and it has

5:14:405:14:49

been mentioned already, is to look

not just at children with autistic

5:14:495:14:53

spectrum disorder but across the

life span at adults, too. It is so

5:14:535:14:58

important that adults who may have

autistic spectrum disorder have

5:14:585:15:01

access to a diagnosis in the first

place, but also if they present with

5:15:015:15:05

mental health issues, that they are

able to receive the support that

5:15:055:15:09

they need. So this is a care pathway

that has to straddle the life span,

5:15:095:15:16

so that none of our constituents

right across the UK. These gaps. It

5:15:165:15:23

would be important to ensure that GP

registers, which are recommended why

5:15:235:15:30

Nice, where individuals with autism

are highlighted to GPs on the

5:15:305:15:35

register, so they can signpost them

so referrals are undertaken. That is

5:15:355:15:40

an important issue and last time

this issue was debated, the minister

5:15:405:15:43

said they were open to these

suggestions about registers and it

5:15:435:15:46

would be important to hear an update

on that today. The Scottish

5:15:465:15:53

Government has launched a Scottish

strategy for autism in 2011,

5:15:535:15:58

declaring autism as a national prior

roti. I would concur with that. It

5:15:585:16:03

is a national prior tea. This means

more than simply diagnosing autism.

5:16:035:16:09

It means we must think about people

with autistic spectrum disorder

5:16:095:16:11

right across our communities, there

access to services, community

5:16:115:16:19

services, their access to society at

large. I would like to know how the

5:16:195:16:27

Minister will liaise with other

departments to make sure that we

5:16:275:16:30

don't leave people with autism

behind, and to ensure that this is

5:16:305:16:35

embedded into all of government

policy. I have certainly written to

5:16:355:16:39

the Scottish Government ask for

their update, because the policy,

5:16:395:16:43

and I have read it thoroughly, is an

extremely good policy. But I still

5:16:435:16:49

find constituents contacting me to

say that on the ground, in terms of

5:16:495:16:52

implementation, they are having the

same difficulties accessing

5:16:525:16:55

services, and things are not working

in the way they should. So it is

5:16:555:16:59

something that we can perhaps work

together on with the Scottish

5:16:595:17:04

Government, with the Welsh

government and the UK Government to

5:17:045:17:07

ensure that best practice is in

place for people with autism right

5:17:075:17:10

across the UK. In concluding, Madam

Deputy Speaker, I hope the Minister

5:17:105:17:19

will listen to some of the

recommendations today. Others from

5:17:195:17:23

across this House will have

extremely important accounts to

5:17:235:17:25

give. I want to welcome all of the

accounts and interventions we have

5:17:255:17:30

had. It is a concerning, vital

issue, and important we work

5:17:305:17:35

together cross party to ensure that

people with autistic spectrum

5:17:355:17:38

disorder and mental health problems

do not fall through the gaps but

5:17:385:17:41

have the services they deserve.

The

house knows we have limited time

5:17:415:17:48

this afternoon, so we have to start

with a time limit of seven minutes

5:17:485:17:53

for backbenchers.

Thank you, Madam

Deputy Speaker. It is a pleasure and

5:17:535:18:00

honour to speak in this debate.

Because it is such an important and

5:18:005:18:07

critical issue that we actually make

sure that those on the autistic

5:18:075:18:13

spectrum are wrapped up in our

mental health and medical services,

5:18:135:18:17

so this is no longer an issue we

even need to be raising in this

5:18:175:18:21

House. This government has put

mental health on the political

5:18:215:18:26

agenda as none has before. We have

invested more in mental health than

5:18:265:18:30

any previous government, we have

hired tens of thousands of

5:18:305:18:33

specialist staff, and we have

enshrined the parity of esteem

5:18:335:18:37

between mental and physical health

into law. The Prime Minister today

5:18:375:18:41

big step forward is by opening a

review into the 1983 Mental Health

5:18:415:18:45

Act last month, because too many

people asked all suffering from

5:18:455:18:48

discrimination.

I don't seek to be

partisan in these debates but for

5:18:485:18:55

the record it is important to note

that the amendment to introduce

5:18:555:18:58

parity of esteem comment or health

into the social health care act back

5:18:585:19:03

in 2012 was introduced by Labour

peers in the House of Lords and was

5:19:035:19:06

voted against by Tory peers. I would

not like the government to seek to

5:19:065:19:10

claim credit.

I thank my honourable

friend for her comments. There is,

5:19:105:19:18

despite the efforts across party

with all those for whom this is a

5:19:185:19:23

passionate area of policy, who are

continuing to suffer, in my opinion

5:19:235:19:27

as one who has cared for 18 years

for a now young adults with autism,

5:19:275:19:31

those who are having a miserable

time in the mental health system.

5:19:315:19:35

They are not yet benefiting from

improved access to core therapies

5:19:355:19:39

and services, and that is our

autistic men and women across our

5:19:395:19:42

country. So we must do better. A

quarter of us across-the-board will

5:19:425:19:50

experience mental ill-health during

our lives. Within the autism

5:19:505:19:53

community that rises to eight in

ten. Eight in ten of those who are

5:19:535:19:58

diagnosed as autistic are suffering

from mental ill-health. To those of

5:19:585:20:02

us familiar with autism, this is not

a surprise, sadly. Society is

5:20:025:20:07

designed for us neuro typicals as my

son likes to call me. So almost

5:20:075:20:14

everything designed for us can cause

stress and worry for those who are

5:20:145:20:19

wired differently. Having a

different perspective on the world

5:20:195:20:22

has huge potential benefits for our

society and economy and we fail all

5:20:225:20:26

those on the autistics to the

detriment of both the individual,

5:20:265:20:30

but also our society more widely. We

are failing those individuals and I

5:20:305:20:36

was appalled to discover the scale

of suicide across the autism

5:20:365:20:40

community, as I did some research in

covering this subject. The UK autism

5:20:405:20:49

research charity revealed findings

that autistic people without a

5:20:495:20:51

learning difficulty are nine times

more likely to die by suicide than

5:20:515:20:55

the rest of the population. Research

is now beginning to uncover almost

5:20:555:21:00

identical rates within the UK, as we

start to build that database. As a

5:21:005:21:05

parent, this is awful to hear. As an

MP, it is a rallying cry. The causes

5:21:055:21:11

are still being researched, and

speaking as the mother of one, it is

5:21:115:21:16

a complex environment. People are

complexes anyway. Stick them in a --

5:21:165:21:21

in an environment that is often a

year in and it is not surprising

5:21:215:21:24

that it is sometimes too hard to

cope. There are three ways in which

5:21:245:21:28

I know mental health services are

letting down autistic citizens and

5:21:285:21:31

we have a duty to solve it. First,

we know that autistic people's

5:21:315:21:37

mental health problems are often

misdiagnosed or are missed

5:21:375:21:40

completely. Despite mental health

problems being the norm, there are

5:21:405:21:44

no systematic mental health checks

for to stick people. These problems

5:21:445:21:48

can often present very differently,

partly because so many become

5:21:485:21:52

practised at masking their feelings

to fit in. If you are severely

5:21:525:21:57

autistic, it is perhaps easier to

identify those who suffer. But those

5:21:575:22:01

who are managing to live in a

mainstream environment have learned

5:22:015:22:05

some extraordinarily clever,

adaptable ways to cope with our

5:22:055:22:09

world, but to their own very severe

mental ill-health. What is truly

5:22:095:22:16

traumatic for one autistic person

might not be for another, so when

5:22:165:22:19

they seek help, autistic people can

often find their worries dismissed

5:22:195:22:23

out of hand, missed or

misunderstood. The NHS's five-year

5:22:235:22:28

forward view comment or health

recommends the development of

5:22:285:22:32

autistic specific care pathways for

mental ill-health. This, I on the

5:22:325:22:37

stand, is supposed to begin in 2018

but we have heard nothing since

5:22:375:22:41

February, so perhaps the Minister

can update us if the project is

5:22:415:22:46

taking place and who is leading it,

what will its scope be and how will

5:22:465:22:49

autistic people be involved in

helping design it, to make sure we

5:22:495:22:52

are not missing obvious things?

5:22:525:23:01

This is a crucial opportunity to

begin transforming care for autistic

5:23:015:23:05

people but we must get it right. We

know that autistic people can

5:23:055:23:09

struggle to find the support that

works for them, it is assumed that

5:23:095:23:13

what works for one kind will work

for them. The lady who is an expert

5:23:135:23:24

in providing this support for

people, groups who worked with

5:23:245:23:27

strangers can be entirely

counter-productive and we need to

5:23:275:23:32

think about how we are just that

support, the idea of asking someone

5:23:325:23:36

who cannot read faces, how to

process information, would be in any

5:23:365:23:42

way supportive when they are in a

state of deep stress shows a

5:23:425:23:46

complete gap in understanding of the

stresses and the actual problems

5:23:465:23:51

which make it more difficult to cope

in our grouping of those... Yes, of

5:23:515:23:56

course.

She is making a very

powerful speech was the speaking

5:23:565:24:03

from personal experience, which is

the most by double in the chamber,

5:24:035:24:09

-- the most valuable in the chamber,

I have heard disturbing accounts in

5:24:095:24:12

the past few weeks of people with

autistic spectrum disorder being

5:24:125:24:17

referred to group -based therapies

which shows a lack of awareness of

5:24:175:24:20

difficulties in terms of symptoms,

being able to interact socially,

5:24:205:24:25

communicate, and that would actually

place an individual with autistic

5:24:255:24:28

spectrum under greatest as than it

seems -- under greater stress than

5:24:285:24:35

someone with a different needs.

I

agree. It is the expectation of

5:24:355:24:47

understanding a group which is one

of the most difficult things you

5:24:475:24:52

could ask an autistic young person

or even an older adult to take on.

5:24:525:25:03

This tops all the research

priorities if you ask those in that

5:25:035:25:06

sector, so I hope very much the

government is looking to support

5:25:065:25:09

those who are doing this work

because in our manifesto we said we

5:25:095:25:14

would address the need for better

treatment across the whole spectrum

5:25:145:25:16

of mental health conditions by

making the UK the leading research

5:25:165:25:22

and technology economy in the world

for mental health bringing together

5:25:225:25:25

public, private and charity

investment. I support those words

5:25:255:25:28

wholeheartedly and I hope we will be

able to do much more. Thirdly, I

5:25:285:25:37

would like to raise the question of

NHS data, it is critical in this

5:25:375:25:45

one, because GPs are so often the

first port of call for those with

5:25:455:25:49

mental ill-health, going to their GP

can be really difficult for autistic

5:25:495:25:52

people. It is an environment with an

familiar lighting, sounds which

5:25:525:25:58

cannot be escaped, and the example

of a bell going off is a classic

5:25:585:26:03

one. It is the unexpected sound and

the pitch, the lack of understanding

5:26:035:26:10

that we can have of what certain

pitches of Sam can do to those who

5:26:105:26:13

have hypersensitivity is -- sound. A

school bell might sound loud for a

5:26:135:26:22

reason because you are trying to get

the attention of children, and to an

5:26:225:26:27

autistic young boy or girl it can be

like a bomb going off, so to

5:26:275:26:31

consider the impact, when you are in

a strange place, to have these

5:26:315:26:35

heightened sensitivities, and strip

lighting in public spaces is another

5:26:355:26:40

one which creates enormous tension,

we need to be able to provide some

5:26:405:26:44

thought as to how we do that. Of

course will stop euro thank you to

5:26:445:26:52

giving way. Euro -- thank you

forgiving way. Some supermarkets

5:26:525:27:00

like Sainsbury's

provide help in

store, the staff gain a better

5:27:005:27:10

understanding if a child is having a

meltdown, that people should not

5:27:105:27:13

think automatically that they are

naughty, they might be experiencing

5:27:135:27:17

difficulties relating to autism.

You

are right. Speaking as someone who

5:27:175:27:22

has experienced a meltdown in a

supermarket many times, and someone

5:27:225:27:27

attempting to offer a word of

support or usually criticism, the

5:27:275:27:31

line I always use, you tell me when

you have an autistic child and you

5:27:315:27:39

take them shopping, and I will tell

you what the problem is. We need to

5:27:395:27:43

provide them a framework of reality

and calm which will sort that out.

5:27:435:27:47

Cinemas do this and we can do this,

as well. I just asked that the

5:27:475:27:52

minister takes this forward and

takes on the challenge of getting

5:27:525:27:56

this to work so our GPs can provide

the support they need.

I don't

5:27:565:28:02

criticise the lady for taking

interventions, many people want to

5:28:025:28:05

intervention about that means we

have to go down to five minutes per

5:28:055:28:08

person.

Thank you madam Deputy

Speaker. I want to thank the

5:28:085:28:17

backbench business committee for

bringing this debate and the member

5:28:175:28:19

for East Kilbride. For leading on

it. And a special thank you to the

5:28:195:28:26

speakers who have done so much to

support autism awareness in this

5:28:265:28:29

house and beyond, especially their

support for the National Autistic

5:28:295:28:32

Society. I have a young cousin on

the autistic spectrum and I married

5:28:325:28:36

to someone who runs an educational

school for people with autism. In my

5:28:365:28:44

constituency to we have prioritised

making Bristol autism friendly, we

5:28:445:28:48

have made a start but have more to

do, we have a training event for

5:28:485:28:52

employers and how they can make

reasonable adjustments, we have had

5:28:525:28:56

training for my team and have also

made adjustments. Unemployment is

5:28:565:29:00

very high amongst people with autism

and this contributes to mental

5:29:005:29:03

ill-health. According to the

National Autistic Society and the

5:29:035:29:08

16% of adults with autism are in

full-time paid work and only 32% in

5:29:085:29:13

some kind of paid work compared with

47% of disabled people and 80% of

5:29:135:29:18

all non-disabled people, and we know

how unemployment affects mental

5:29:185:29:23

health and self-esteem full stop the

government has committed to our

5:29:235:29:27

fingers gap so in the interests of

the mental health of people on the

5:29:275:29:31

autistic spectrum -- committed to

closing the gap. I've heard from

5:29:315:29:40

schools in my constituency that

funding pressures affect their

5:29:405:29:42

specialist provision for children

with special educational needs and

5:29:425:29:45

for helping with mental health

problems, some families have told me

5:29:455:29:50

that if they have effective or

partial exclusion from school

5:29:505:29:53

arising from a lack of understanding

of autism or lack of support, this

5:29:535:29:58

leads to further mental health

problems, exacerbated by a lack of

5:29:585:30:02

autism focus and high demand on

mental health care generally, but

5:30:025:30:08

they have also told me about the

great support from some teachers and

5:30:085:30:12

some schools but their fears about

staff changes and worries about

5:30:125:30:15

funding. I have spoken to public

venues about the things they can do

5:30:155:30:19

with the help of the National

Autistic Society to make their own

5:30:195:30:22

use more autistic friendly, because

it can't be acceptable that

5:30:225:30:25

according to the will college of

psychiatrists autistic people are

5:30:255:30:30

more than seven times likely to

commit suicide if they are on the

5:30:305:30:38

autistic spectrum disorder. -- royal

college. In my team we have made

5:30:385:30:45

autism a priority and one of the

things we have done in association

5:30:455:30:49

with the Bristol support service and

the local autistic Society, is told

5:30:495:30:53

the country's first MP constituency

surgery for adults with autism and

5:30:535:30:58

parents and children on the autistic

spectrum and I encourage all

5:30:585:31:04

colleagues to do likewise and I'm

happy to talk to them. It meant that

5:31:045:31:09

adults with autism and parents and

children with autism were able to

5:31:095:31:12

come and talk to us about challenges

they faced, simple things like

5:31:125:31:17

transport and public space as well

as housing and employment which all

5:31:175:31:21

affect mental health, and I'm not

going to repeat the things have

5:31:215:31:25

said, especially the lady for is

Kilbride, I'm sorry I can't

5:31:255:31:29

pronounce the last bit -- East

Kilbride. Thank you! Siesta listed

5:31:295:31:37

recommendations which I urge the

minister to follow, but I want to

5:31:375:31:41

finish -- she has listed. I want to

recommend to things, colleagues who

5:31:415:31:46

care about autism, can consider

asking a member of staff to champion

5:31:465:31:54

the cause, and I work very closely

with my member of staff Mike Davis

5:31:545:31:57

who is the local autism lead and has

taught me a great deal about how to

5:31:575:32:04

make Bristol a truly autism friendly

city. With someone like Mike with

5:32:045:32:09

me, other colleagues could also do

similar, and I will be able to do

5:32:095:32:13

much more than I would have done. I

would also like to take a leak, in

5:32:135:32:18

the restoration and renewal

programme -- take a leap. We could

5:32:185:32:23

make this place autism friendly.

This would help people on the

5:32:235:32:28

autistic spectrum and children and

their patients but also all of us

5:32:285:32:33

because it would make the place, and

more welcoming and truly accessible

5:32:335:32:36

for everybody. That will be the

parliament, the mother of all

5:32:365:32:43

parliaments, leading by example to

the rest of the country so we can

5:32:435:32:46

truly make the UK autism friendly

and address the chronic levels of

5:32:465:32:50

mental ill health and suicide rates

that exist for people on the

5:32:505:32:57

autistic spectrum and I commend

colleagues for the suggestions made

5:32:575:33:01

by members of my team and others in

this House.

Hugh memory and -- Hugh

5:33:015:33:07

Merriman.

It was a pleasure to

follow this. She spoke about her

5:33:075:33:14

constituency surgery, and likely

have that pleasure last week but

5:33:145:33:18

this was not something I fixed, but

everyone who had booked appointments

5:33:185:33:26

were on the spectrum, and that is

telling how much pressure we face in

5:33:265:33:29

our constituents who are having such

huge challenges for the can I thank

5:33:295:33:36

the member for East Kilbride and

other parts of her constituency

5:33:365:33:41

which are harder to say, for

securing this debate. It is a

5:33:415:33:44

pleasure. Without deviating, it

times very well with a report that

5:33:445:33:50

has been published by the all-party

Parliamentary group for autism,

5:33:505:33:58

entitled autism and education in

England 2017, and this is relevant

5:33:585:34:02

because when it comes to mental

health and those on the autistic

5:34:025:34:06

spectrum unafraid to say that much

of begins to go wrong inside our

5:34:065:34:13

schools -- I'm afraid. Schools are

still not quick to do with the many

5:34:135:34:16

people and the convex issues that

arise from autism. -- complex. It

5:34:165:34:22

was a pleasure to co-chair the

Parliamentary inquiry which led to

5:34:225:34:25

this report with the APPG and my

neighbour, the member for Lewis. We

5:34:255:34:33

heard from young people on the

spectrum, parents and educational

5:34:335:34:37

experts, as to where things were not

working and where they could

5:34:375:34:39

improve. This report is a very

positive report, it talks of what

5:34:395:34:46

can be done better, not just down to

money, it's a question of sharing

5:34:465:34:51

best practice, but unfortunately the

reality of the current situation in

5:34:515:34:54

our schools is that fewer than 50%

of those thousands of people who

5:34:545:35:00

have responded to our request for

information felt happy at school, so

5:35:005:35:05

they felt uncomfortable at school,

fewer than 50% of teachers felt that

5:35:055:35:10

they were equipped to deal with

those who had autism -- felt unhappy

5:35:105:35:17

at school. It is great that the

government will make sure that

5:35:175:35:21

initial teacher training provides

autism awareness within it but there

5:35:215:35:26

are many who have already been

taught to teacher training and are

5:35:265:35:30

teaching in schools and that

includes headteachers that don't

5:35:305:35:32

have sufficient understanding of the

needs of autistic children. Where

5:35:325:35:37

that can go wrong for the autistic

child and indeed their parents is

5:35:375:35:43

exclusion, and exclusion leads to

isolation and isolation leads to

5:35:435:35:46

mental health and indeed suicide.

That is where we can do better, but

5:35:465:35:51

sadly for an autistic child at

school, they are three times more

5:35:515:35:55

likely to be excluded than those who

are not on the spectrum, so this is

5:35:555:36:00

something we need to do better. More

training in schools, better practice

5:36:005:36:06

being shared, it should not just be

the case that special schools have

5:36:065:36:09

all of the expertise, 70% of all of

those pupils who are on the spectrum

5:36:095:36:14

are in mainstream schools, so we

need the specialist schools to be

5:36:145:36:16

sharing what they know with our

mainstream schools. Only when we

5:36:165:36:21

start to tackle that will be do

better. I was delighted that the

5:36:215:36:25

government welcomed the report and

we are now very much looking for the

5:36:255:36:29

government to support the

recommendations in the report, the

5:36:295:36:31

report will be launched by the APPG

at the beginning of the year and I

5:36:315:36:35

hope that all members here will come

and support us. And I also touch on

5:36:355:36:43

the many challenges that those

people who have left the school

5:36:435:36:47

system and are now in the workplace

are, one of those who came to my

5:36:475:36:51

constituency surgery last week

talked about the struggles he has

5:36:515:36:54

connecting with his job centre, and

I have committed to going along with

5:36:545:36:58

him and to meet with the new work

coaches I have through the roll-out

5:36:585:37:02

of Universal Credit, to see the

application process for him, to see

5:37:025:37:06

how he can follow it through. I'm

pleased that the government is now

5:37:065:37:11

looking at tailoring the support for

those who are struggling to enter

5:37:115:37:16

the workplace, recognising that

there are individual needs for those

5:37:165:37:19

who are left seeking jobs, and are

actually looking to make sure that

5:37:195:37:24

individual specialists are in place

in job centres including those that

5:37:245:37:27

are ready to tackle and help those

with mental health difficulties.

5:37:275:37:35

In closing, I want to again ring the

bell for what we can do better in

5:37:355:37:41

schools, to support all our schools,

to make sure mental health for those

5:37:415:37:46

on the spectrum is absolutely

recognised, and to absolutely

5:37:465:37:49

believe we can all do better across

party.

Thank you, Madam Deputy

5:37:495:37:57

Speaker. Can I thank the honourable

member for her very thoughtful and

5:37:575:38:06

comprehensive speech and for setting

out the difficulties which people

5:38:065:38:10

with autism face. I am tempted to

say,"What she said". But I don't

5:38:105:38:19

think that does justice to the

situation. Earlier this year, I met

5:38:195:38:24

with a charity which does research

into autism. If other honourable

5:38:245:38:28

members have not seen their report,

" Personal tragedies, public

5:38:285:38:35

crisis", looking into reasons why

people on the autistic spectrum

5:38:355:38:39

disorder die early, up to 16 years

earlier, as the honourable member

5:38:395:38:44

has said, I would encourage them to

do so. It makes shocking reading.

5:38:445:38:49

Some of the key points are that

autism in itself is not a mental

5:38:495:38:54

health problem, but eight out of ten

autistic people will face mental

5:38:545:38:59

health difficulties, like anxiety

and depression. Four out of ten

5:38:595:39:02

children with autism have two or

more mental health problems. The

5:39:025:39:09

research shows that suicide is the

leading cause of death among people

5:39:095:39:14

with autism. Autistic adults without

a learning disability are nine times

5:39:145:39:18

more likely than others to die by

suicide. And those autistic adults

5:39:185:39:28

with a learning disability are twice

as likely to die by suicide. These

5:39:285:39:31

are shocking figures. Madam Deputy

Speaker, suicide is preventable and

5:39:315:39:39

we need to do more, much more to

reduce these figures. And we need to

5:39:395:39:44

recognise some of the specific

problems people face. As other

5:39:445:39:49

members have said, many mental

health problems can look different

5:39:495:39:53

in autistic people, and we need to

recognise that and make sure those

5:39:535:39:57

are addressed and that people have

the appropriate treatments and are

5:39:575:40:00

dealt with appropriately.

She is

quoting from an excellent piece of

5:40:005:40:07

research, but is she also aware that

the autism commission, which I

5:40:075:40:13

chair, has conducted a piece of work

about a spectrum of obstacles, the

5:40:135:40:22

difficulty for people with autism

actually getting through to the

5:40:225:40:24

right people in the health service?

Those two pieces of research are so

5:40:245:40:29

powerful.

I absolutely agree that

the two pieces of work go together

5:40:295:40:35

and can help us to improve services

for people with autistic spectrum

5:40:355:40:39

disorder. As others have said, it is

increasingly obvious that some

5:40:395:40:47

mental health therapies are not the

right ones for people with autism.

5:40:475:40:51

They don't work in the same way that

they do with others. We need to do

5:40:515:40:56

more research into those areas. It

can be difficult for autistic people

5:40:565:41:00

to approach services for support. We

have heard about the issues of going

5:41:005:41:04

to AGP 's surgery. And autistic

people and their families are left

5:41:045:41:10

fighting the system too often

because information is not shared. I

5:41:105:41:14

think there are a number of things

we need to do. We need to diagnose

5:41:145:41:21

autism at a much earlier stage so

appropriate interventions can take

5:41:215:41:25

place and be offered to people with

autism and their families. Secondly,

5:41:255:41:31

we need to record people who have

autism on GP records and collect

5:41:315:41:35

data so we can identify the issues

and develop appropriate services.

5:41:355:41:42

And it is good that in the

Westminster Hall debate last

5:41:425:41:45

September the government did commit

to gathering data on the figures. I

5:41:455:41:50

hope the Minister can update us on

progress in that area. Next, the

5:41:505:41:54

autism care pathway proposed, it

would be useful to hear from the

5:41:545:42:04

Minister, can she let us know the

progress that has been made on

5:42:045:42:08

developing the pathway and whether

or not it will address suicide as a

5:42:085:42:12

specific part of that issue? There

is another concern, that suicide

5:42:125:42:20

prevention measures are not well

designed for autistic people, and I

5:42:205:42:24

hope the Minister will look at what

needs to be done differently to

5:42:245:42:27

reach and support autistic people in

crisis. Finally, none of the recent

5:42:275:42:32

cross government suicide prevention

strategies make a reference to

5:42:325:42:36

autism. Given that we now know the

risk of suicide is so high in the

5:42:365:42:43

autism community and that there are

very different issues, as we have

5:42:435:42:46

heard, will she commit to ensuring

that the next strategy looks direct

5:42:465:42:50

Lee at how to help autistic people

in crisis?

Can I first of all join

5:42:505:42:58

members in congratulating the member

for agreeing to this debate? The

5:42:585:43:07

issue she raised, also raised by my

honourable friend, the issue that

5:43:075:43:14

nine times more people are going to

take their own lives who have autism

5:43:145:43:17

than in the general population, my

honourable friend has already

5:43:175:43:20

outlined that autism is linked to

depression and anxiety. Can I say a

5:43:205:43:28

general point? I welcome this debate

because it is another example of

5:43:285:43:32

this House talking about mental

health. The more we talk about it,

5:43:325:43:37

the better the debate gets. People

should be congratulated for it. Can

5:43:375:43:41

I put on record thanks to the

charities and the army of volunteers

5:43:415:43:45

who work with adults and children

with autism, because they are the

5:43:455:43:51

unsung heroes in terms of the work

they do? I want to raise two points.

5:43:515:43:57

One is about waiting times. The

other one is a point raised by the

5:43:575:44:01

honourable lady from East Kilbride,

the issue around pathways and how we

5:44:015:44:04

develop them. In Durham, we have a

two year waiting list for autism

5:44:045:44:10

diagnosis. I have tried to get to

the bottom of why this is the case.

5:44:105:44:14

It is only when you meet some of the

parents of the young people that you

5:44:145:44:17

see what a tragedy this is. It is

the pressure on those individual

5:44:175:44:22

families. And I suspect some of them

are developing mental health issues

5:44:225:44:28

because the other thing which

concerns me is the lost opportunity

5:44:285:44:31

for those children. The only get one

chance at education. When you come

5:44:315:44:36

across cases where children have

been out of school for nearly a year

5:44:365:44:39

waiting for a diagnosis, I think

that is... I am aware, everyone is

5:44:395:44:46

aware of the pressure on social

services but we must get this

5:44:465:44:52

pathway to early diagnosis more

streamlined. The other thing which

5:44:525:44:58

concerns me, the honourable

gentleman spoke earlier about

5:44:585:45:00

schools. The most appalling thing I

have seen is where a school excluded

5:45:005:45:05

a child with autism, even though he

had a diagnosis because "He was too

5:45:055:45:10

difficult and affecting the league

tables". We should monitor that

5:45:105:45:14

because it is a disgrace. Thankfully

the local authority stepped in and

5:45:145:45:18

put that right but the pressure on

that parent and child is totally

5:45:185:45:21

unacceptable. But we are talking

about mental health. We have a

5:45:215:45:26

health minister replying to this

debate. But this is wider than just

5:45:265:45:30

health. We have made great strides

in terms of parity of esteem. We are

5:45:305:45:42

winning that battle. Now, we need to

win the next battle. That is how to

5:45:425:45:46

hard-wire mental well-being into

public policy. It is not just

5:45:465:45:52

health. It is education. It is

housing. It is social care. It is

5:45:525:45:58

local authorities. Employment, as my

honourable friend says from a

5:45:585:46:03

sedentary position. The other big

problem which a lot of individuals

5:46:035:46:07

who even go through the school

system get to is that point, which I

5:46:075:46:12

have had with a few constituents,

where education finishers and the

5:46:125:46:16

young person transitions into work.

A lot of these people, young people

5:46:165:46:22

who are perfectly capable of doing

some type of employment, seem to get

5:46:225:46:26

lost in the system. So that pathway

the honourable lady for East

5:46:265:46:30

Kilbride spoke of has to be right

all the way through life. It is not

5:46:305:46:35

just health. It involves a

cross-section. In terms of trying to

5:46:355:46:40

get this hard-wired into the system,

I think what the government has to

5:46:405:46:45

do is to make sure that at Cabinet

committee level, or other, that

5:46:455:46:49

this, like in the last Labour

government with veterans, when

5:46:495:46:53

policies come forward in each

department, mental health and

5:46:535:46:57

well-being is part of that process.

I am grateful because I know time is

5:46:575:47:02

short. On that very point, would he

agree that part of those Cabinet

5:47:025:47:07

committee style discussions should

be making sure there is an

5:47:075:47:10

understanding in the Department of

Justice and the Department of home

5:47:105:47:13

affairs of the ways in which people

with autism come into contact with

5:47:135:47:17

the criminal justice system, and an

understanding of behaviours

5:47:175:47:23

exhibited by individuals, which are

often misinterpreted and end up with

5:47:235:47:27

people being arrested?

I agree

totally. It is not just a health

5:47:275:47:32

issue. This is across the entire

issues. The honourable lady made a

5:47:325:47:38

very good point. How many times have

we seen people reacting to a child

5:47:385:47:42

in a supermarket, kicking off, with

no recognition that that child is on

5:47:425:47:51

the autism spectrum, and the

challenges which that places on the

5:47:515:47:55

parent. I have to say, the

government has, in health terms, to

5:47:555:48:02

look at the way funding is. I accept

that the government is committed to

5:48:025:48:05

more funding for mental health, but

the system was set up, the health

5:48:055:48:10

and social act, makes it more

difficult for the money that is

5:48:105:48:15

going in at the top to get to where

it is needed on the ground. If I was

5:48:155:48:20

a health minister I would be

frustrated that I was pushing a

5:48:205:48:24

lever that was not connected to

anything. CCGs and others are taking

5:48:245:48:30

money that should go to mental

health and divert it to other

5:48:305:48:33

priorities which they see as

important. Madam Deputy Speaker, can

5:48:335:48:38

I finish by saying congratulations

again to the honourable lady and

5:48:385:48:43

everyone who has spoken? We have

shone a spotlight on mental health,

5:48:435:48:47

which is a good thing. We have shone

a spotlight on an issue which is not

5:48:475:48:53

widely understood in wider

communities, autism, and also the

5:48:535:48:57

aspects of those who are on the

autism spectrum who suffer from

5:48:575:49:01

mental illness as well.

Thank you,

Madam Deputy Speaker. I would like

5:49:015:49:07

to add my thanks to the honourable

lady. I am very pleased, once again,

5:49:075:49:20

to participate in a debate about

autism, a condition that we almost

5:49:205:49:24

four too long, for too many years

has not been sufficiently recognised

5:49:245:49:30

and its challenges fully

appreciated. That is starting to

5:49:305:49:33

change, which is good news for all

of those living with autism who have

5:49:335:49:37

for too long been either not

recognised or misunderstood. We know

5:49:375:49:42

that autism is not a mental health

condition but we also know that

5:49:425:49:46

autistic people are more likely to

develop mental health problems such

5:49:465:49:51

as anxiety disorders, OCD and

depression. This is for a host of

5:49:515:49:55

reasons, such as not being

supported, social isolation, and

5:49:555:50:00

research shows that a diagnosis of

autism can lead to an increased risk

5:50:005:50:04

of mental health conditions. Support

for those with autism is very

5:50:045:50:08

important and it has been recognised

in the chamber this afternoon.

5:50:085:50:12

Anxiety disorders are common amongst

those on the autism spectrum.

5:50:125:50:18

Roughly 40% have symptoms of at

least one anxiety disorder at any

5:50:185:50:22

one time, compared with 15% in the

general population. Such disorders

5:50:225:50:28

in themselves can lead to

depression. It is very worrying that

5:50:285:50:32

young people living with autism are

28 times more likely to consider

5:50:325:50:37

suicide than other young people.

This affects adults, two, who have

5:50:375:50:42

not been diagnosed. There is no

doubt that people with this

5:50:425:50:45

condition have an increased risk of

suicide, as the honourable lady

5:50:455:50:48

pointed out. This could well be

because 66% of autistic people and

5:50:485:51:00

67% of their families have reported

feeling socially isolated, and

5:51:005:51:04

70%... I will, indeed.

Does the

honourable lady recognised there is

5:51:045:51:12

a major problem with families of

autistic children, which is that

5:51:125:51:15

should one of their children take

their own life, be after suicide

5:51:155:51:22

support is also not there, so the

social isolation they had in life

5:51:225:51:26

continues after death and increases

the comp locations of their grief?

5:51:265:51:32

This is an area that must be

tackled. -- increases the

5:51:325:51:37

complications of their grief.

I

absolutely agree. It is important

5:51:375:51:42

that if they suicide takes place

that families are supported through

5:51:425:51:45

that as much as possible. 70% of

autistic people are reported to have

5:51:455:51:52

mental health disorders such as

anxiety or depression, and suicide

5:51:525:51:55

is one of the leading causes of

death in the autism community. That

5:51:555:52:00

tells us that this issue demands our

attention. Diagnosis is important,

5:52:005:52:06

because with diagnosis must be,

should be the foundation upon which

5:52:065:52:12

effective support for autistic

individuals and their families can

5:52:125:52:16

be built. Similarly, a delay in

diagnosis can prevent or hinder

5:52:165:52:21

effective support and intervention

strategies being put in place. The

5:52:215:52:25

National Autistic Society in

Scotland reported that in 2013, 60

5:52:255:52:29

1% of those surveys said they felt

relieved when they received a

5:52:295:52:35

diagnosis, because such a diagnosis

can end years of feeling

5:52:355:52:38

misunderstood and isolated.

5:52:385:52:42

It's important that I mention as a

Scottish MP, the Scottish

5:52:425:52:48

Government's strategy for autism,

which is working to improve waiting

5:52:485:52:52

times for diagnosis and assessment

to create consistency in standards

5:52:525:52:57

across Scotland based upon research.

The entire autism spectrum needs to

5:52:575:53:02

be addressed and as well as the

whole life span of people living

5:53:025:53:07

with autism. In Scotland. This is

the logic behind this autism

5:53:075:53:13

strategy so this is a very positive

step and we have heard about

5:53:135:53:16

initiatives such as autism hours in

supermarkets and special cinematic

5:53:165:53:22

screenings which are autism friendly

and these are very important and

5:53:225:53:25

positive steps, and there is greater

awareness of autism out there but we

5:53:255:53:32

know and we recognise that we still

have a long way to go. I would end

5:53:325:53:38

by saying we often think of those

with autism as having difficulty

5:53:385:53:42

seeing the world as we see it but

the truth is, we need to see the

5:53:425:53:46

world as they see it. Because maybe

then we can start making real

5:53:465:53:50

progress.

David Linden.

Thank you

very much. Can I say what pressure

5:53:505:54:00

it is to serve under the

chairmanship of the daughter of

5:54:005:54:05

elder sleep.

5:54:055:54:06

It is a real pleasure to follow the

lady from North Ayrshire. I'm

5:54:075:54:16

disappointed that I don't have three

communities in my constituency but I

5:54:165:54:19

do welcome the opportunity to take

part in this debate and to sum up on

5:54:195:54:23

behalf of the SNP. This is an

important issue and it is important

5:54:235:54:30

that we recognise the reasons

primarily due to poor mental health

5:54:305:54:36

that people have, and for autistic

people that is four out of every

5:54:365:54:44

five and the member touched on this,

but the charity said two thirds of

5:54:445:54:51

autistic adults have thought about

committing suicide and 35% have

5:54:515:54:56

attempted suicide, quite shockingly,

and that is a very concerning

5:54:565:54:59

figure. Only 1% of people in the UK

are autistic. These are very

5:54:595:55:12

shocking statistics. Despite all of

this, there isn't much research to

5:55:125:55:20

indicate why the disparity exists.

That is why the research project

5:55:205:55:26

commissioned is to be commended, and

the ongoing work with Nottingham

5:55:265:55:29

University, looking to understand

suicide and autism. We must continue

5:55:295:55:34

to do with what we can, given that

people with autism are more likely

5:55:345:55:39

to be diagnosed with a mental health

condition, early support is vital.

5:55:395:55:44

The reason diagnosis can hinder

intervention shortages and members

5:55:445:55:48

from other nations in the UK will be

aware of where these are but I would

5:55:485:55:55

like to say a few words from a

Scottish perspective of the I won't

5:55:555:55:59

repeat what my friend from East

Kilbride and others have said, for

5:55:595:56:04

reasons of time, but the Scottish

Government acknowledges there is

5:56:045:56:09

more we can do to improve waiting

times and this is something that is

5:56:095:56:13

working towards the strategy that

was outlined earlier. Surveys have

5:56:135:56:18

shown a positive diagnosed if --

diagnostic experience can help

5:56:185:56:33

people. In addition to working

towards faster diagnosis the

5:56:335:56:38

Scottish Government is investing

money into mental health and the

5:56:385:56:42

point the lady from Liverpool waiver

tree said, I commend what she has

5:56:425:56:49

done, and this financial year

investment in the Scottish NHS is

5:56:495:56:54

Wernbloom pounds for the first time

this represents a huge increase from

5:56:545:57:00

the £650 million in 2006-2007 -- is

£1 billion. I very much welcome

5:57:005:57:08

this, and being the son-in-law of

someone who works in a medical

5:57:085:57:12

practice and has recently retired,

the mother will often say, about

5:57:125:57:19

half of the people that come through

the door will come through with

5:57:195:57:21

mental health issues but that is not

how the funding has always been

5:57:215:57:24

distributed in recent years. I am

happy to give way.

I would actually

5:57:245:57:33

praise the SNP government for its

autism strategy through the work in

5:57:335:57:38

my constituency I can see the

benefit of that, but would the

5:57:385:57:41

member agreed that the good work

that has been done by the SNP could

5:57:415:57:47

be more widely advertised because

there is a slight gap between the

5:57:475:57:51

general public of Scotland

understanding the work that is being

5:57:515:57:53

done, and maybe via the media or

some sort of advertising it would be

5:57:535:57:58

good to flagship that.

I agree. He

has considerable experience and I

5:57:585:58:06

know you were a member of the

Scottish parliament just before the

5:58:065:58:09

last Parliament. I agree with that

and I'm happy to put that on the

5:58:095:58:13

record. The additional funding that

I was talking that, if reached 35

5:58:135:58:18

and pounds five 2022 -- 35mm pounds

by 2022. This local provision is

5:58:185:58:28

crucial and the mental health

sufferers will get the help when

5:58:285:58:37

they need it. All of these figures

and actions might seem like hot air

5:58:375:58:43

but there really is an understanding

in this place that realises the

5:58:435:58:47

difference between life and death

for some people, and it is crucial

5:58:475:58:50

that we get this right and learn

from past mistakes if we are to

5:58:505:58:54

prevent what are in essence

preventable deaths. It is clear from

5:58:545:59:00

the shocking statistic, 35% of

autistic people have attempted

5:59:005:59:04

suicide, that there is much more

that can be done, and there is a big

5:59:045:59:08

challenge, and if we cannot

collectively take responsibility and

5:59:085:59:11

see that percentage fall then we are

failing all of those who live with

5:59:115:59:15

autism. Just before I wonder I want

to make sure that my friend has a

5:59:155:59:22

significant amount of time, I want

to pay tribute to organisations

5:59:225:59:25

doing fantastic work in Scotland,

like the autism network Scotland and

5:59:255:59:30

the National Autistic Society in

Scotland. Scottish autism do

5:59:305:59:40

fantastic work, not least their work

at conferences on children's mental

5:59:405:59:45

health, but on a local level, there

are families engaged who are keen to

5:59:455:59:51

visit me. We have a friendly parent

led group which gives support and

5:59:516:00:00

advice to people on the autistic

spectrum disorder. These really do

6:00:006:00:07

provide wonderful support at a very

local level and the impact cannot be

6:00:076:00:12

underestimated. There's a point to

be made the funding for them which

6:00:126:00:18

is a subject for another day.

Something as simple as one of their

6:00:186:00:23

regular coffee mornings can be a

real lifeline for individuals and

6:00:236:00:27

families in the East End of Glasgow

and I commend that. We realise that

6:00:276:00:33

groups like these do an awful lot to

help autistic people and their

6:00:336:00:37

families live healthy lives every

single day and in conclusion I would

6:00:376:00:43

commend but we need to resolve that

we do everything to make sure that

6:00:436:00:46

people on the autistic disorder

spectrum can lead healthy happy

6:00:466:00:52

lives and with that I wish everyone

a happy St Andrews day.

Thank you

6:00:526:00:57

very much. I will start by

congratulating the honourable member

6:00:576:01:04

for East Kilbride and others... For

securing this very important debate

6:01:046:01:12

and for her excellent opening

speech. I would also like to thank

6:01:126:01:19

autistic, the National Autistic

Society and ambitious about autism

6:01:196:01:24

for the important work they do and

the support they provide for people

6:01:246:01:27

living with autism. This is the

second debate on autism we have had

6:01:276:01:32

since we returned from the summer

recess and it is good that we have

6:01:326:01:36

had such a constructive debate

today. I would also like to thank

6:01:366:01:41

all of the members for their

excellent and passionate speeches,

6:01:416:01:45

the member for Berwick-upon-Tweed,

Bexhill and Battle, North Ayrshire,

6:01:456:01:51

and my friends for Bristol West and

North Durham. They all spoke

6:01:516:01:57

movingly, often from personal family

experience, or from constituents or

6:01:576:02:02

about constituents, and this may

have been a short debate but

6:02:026:02:07

nevertheless it has been a very

powerful one. It is important to say

6:02:076:02:12

that autism is not a mental health

condition, it is possible to have

6:02:126:02:17

autism and also to have good mental

health, but that is not always the

6:02:176:02:21

case as we have heard between 70%

and 80% of autistic people

6:02:216:02:27

developmental health problems like

anxiety and depression and four out

6:02:276:02:32

of ten children with autism have at

least two mental health problems for

6:02:326:02:37

the adults with autism who do not

have learning disabilities are nine

6:02:376:02:39

times more likely to die by suicide

than the general population. And

6:02:396:02:45

those with a learning disability are

twice as likely to take their own

6:02:456:02:48

life or stop clearly more needs to

be done to support the mental health

6:02:486:02:52

needs of people living with autism.

Reducing the health inequalities

6:02:526:02:57

experienced people living with --

experience of people living with

6:02:576:03:04

autism needs to be done and mental

health is a major factor. Making

6:03:046:03:12

sure of access to appropriate mental

health care is important in the

6:03:126:03:16

fight to tackle these disparities.

However there are two significant

6:03:166:03:21

barriers to accessing the right

treatment, and in a debate we had in

6:03:216:03:25

September we talked about waiting

times for autism diagnosis and it is

6:03:256:03:29

a scandal that waiting times for

autism diagnosis can reach up to 125

6:03:296:03:36

weeks, accessing a diagnosis is the

first step towards securing the

6:03:366:03:38

support people living with autism

need and this is true for mental

6:03:386:03:43

health support, as well. We are

pleased that data on waiting times

6:03:436:03:47

will be collected and published from

April next year, and hopefully this

6:03:476:03:54

will help drive an improvement in

this area. Today I want to focus on

6:03:546:03:59

how mental health services can be

improved for people living with

6:03:596:04:01

autism, last week my friend, the

member for Stockton South, told the

6:04:016:04:06

health select committee about a

young boy with autism, and as we

6:04:066:04:11

have heard from the lady who opened

the debate, he was rejected four

6:04:116:04:16

times the treatment by child and

adolescent mental health services,

6:04:166:04:20

despite reporting suicidal thoughts

and having a family is due to

6:04:206:04:24

suicide, it was rejected -- having a

family history of suicide. There

6:04:246:04:31

were concerns about this when the

lady stated to the select committee

6:04:316:04:36

that this was now the norm within

children's mental health services

6:04:366:04:40

and this is worrying, generally, the

children's well-being but for those

6:04:406:04:45

living with autism it is especially

worrying for a number of reasons.

6:04:456:04:51

Experience is of suicide are

different within the autism

6:04:516:04:54

community than in the wider

population and therefore relying on

6:04:546:04:57

certain behaviours and expectations

of what someone in need of support

6:04:576:05:01

will look like and be very

dangerous. In the children

6:05:016:05:05

Commissioner 's own words, and I

quote, children with mental health

6:05:056:05:10

bubbles will become adults with

mental health problems very soon --

6:05:106:05:14

mental health problems. We cannot

miss early opportunities to

6:05:146:05:20

intervene, this means sadly that the

spirits of this boy was one of many.

6:05:206:05:26

The five-year forward view

recommends an NHS England develop

6:05:266:05:30

autism specific mental health care

pathways, but there is currently no

6:05:306:05:33

information on the timetable, the

scope of the pathway and who will be

6:05:336:05:38

leading this, and the pathway should

cover both children and young people

6:05:386:05:42

and adults on the autism spectrum

and it should take into account the

6:05:426:05:46

fact that mental health conditions

can present themselves in different

6:05:466:05:49

ways for people with autism and it

should recognise that mental health

6:05:496:05:53

treatment may need to be tailored

for people with autism. I hope the

6:05:536:05:58

minister will reflect on this in her

response will tell the house when

6:05:586:06:02

and how pathways will be developed.

Early intervention and prevention

6:06:026:06:06

should form the basis of our mental

health services but there are

6:06:066:06:10

specific issues that too often make

it difficult for people with autism

6:06:106:06:17

to access the early vital support,

the first point of call for many

6:06:176:06:21

people experiencing mental health

issues is their GP and for many

6:06:216:06:24

people with autism this can be

difficult, surgeries are very often

6:06:246:06:28

not autism friendly, and this is how

one autistic adult described the

6:06:286:06:32

experience. They said, when anxiety

is really bad I start to feel a

6:06:326:06:38

panic attack at the prospect of just

having to step out of my front door,

6:06:386:06:43

so having to go to the GP is like

having to climb Everest, they said.

6:06:436:06:49

It is important for GPs to

understand that every autistic

6:06:496:06:51

person is different and each person

may need some adjustments to be made

6:06:516:06:55

before they are able to feel

comfortable to attend their local GP

6:06:556:06:58

surgery. For example, an autistic

person might be hypersensitive to

6:06:586:07:03

sound and light, and so may need an

appointment at a quieter time of

6:07:036:07:08

day, and others may be

hypersensitive and benefit from a

6:07:086:07:12

more stimulating environment. GPs

may also need to tailor how they

6:07:126:07:17

communicate with their patient,

using clear language and finding

6:07:176:07:21

ways to communicate with someone who

does not speak. To do this GPs need

6:07:216:07:27

to be able to access detailed and

accurate records about their

6:07:276:07:29

patients needs. Karoly GPs often do

not record much of the information

6:07:296:07:35

about their autistic patients --

Karoly.

6:07:356:07:44

In August, the National Institute

for health and care excellence

6:07:446:07:47

recommended that GPs keep a set of

local autism registers similar to

6:07:476:07:50

those kept for people with learning

disabilities and asthma and

6:07:506:07:56

diabetes. So, will the Minister say

when she expects these

6:07:566:08:01

recommendations on autism GP

registers to be adopted, and will

6:08:016:08:05

she say if NHS England will work to

ensure that the data gathered is

6:08:056:08:10

used to inform better commissioning

of autism and mental health

6:08:106:08:12

services? Madam Deputy Speaker, we

have heard powerful accounts today

6:08:126:08:19

right across the House about what

happens when we get mental health

6:08:196:08:22

treatment wrong. It is all too easy

for people with autism to receive

6:08:226:08:28

inappropriate mental health

treatment, or to be blocked from

6:08:286:08:30

accessing treatment altogether. As

the government review the Mental

6:08:306:08:36

Health Act, it is important they

consider everything raised in this

6:08:366:08:40

debate today and ensure autistic

people are supported. The shocking

6:08:406:08:45

suicide statistics and testimony

from members today show how crucial

6:08:456:08:49

it is that more is done on this

issue, and the power is in the

6:08:496:08:54

Minister's hands, and I hope she has

listened and will act.

Thank you,

6:08:546:09:02

Madam Deputy Speaker. I have really

enjoyed listening to this debate. I

6:09:026:09:08

have heard so much good common sense

and so much passion and care about

6:09:086:09:13

what is a very important issue. And

I am glad we got to it, even if it

6:09:136:09:19

was truncated. I would like to

congratulate the honourable member

6:09:196:09:28

and everyone who has participated. I

think everyone is absolutely right

6:09:286:09:32

to say we need to understand more

about mental health, autism and

6:09:326:09:37

suicide, and to understand more

about what makes appropriate

6:09:376:09:41

treatment for mental health for

people with autism. The fact that we

6:09:416:09:44

have these suicide statistics tells

us that we really have got to do

6:09:446:09:48

better. I have been very happy and

enjoyed listening to all honourable

6:09:486:09:56

members' speeches on this but would

particularly like to pay tribute to

6:09:566:10:00

the honourable lady, with the

expertise and personal passion she

6:10:006:10:03

made her arguments. She has given me

a lot to think about but I would

6:10:036:10:08

like to reaffirm to her that my door

is always open to hear more about

6:10:086:10:12

this, and I do actually want to hear

about how the strategy in Scotland

6:10:126:10:16

has delivered. Because she is right,

where we see good practice we should

6:10:166:10:22

share it and make sure it becomes

the norm for everyone. I would be

6:10:226:10:26

interested in hearing more about

that. We can never debate autism

6:10:266:10:33

without considering waiting times

and honourable members are quite

6:10:336:10:35

right that in some areas they are

extremely poor indeed. We will be

6:10:356:10:40

publishing more data on this from

April and that will give us the

6:10:406:10:44

tools to give challenge. But

clearly, particularly in the

6:10:446:10:48

north-east, the waiting times are

not good enough and we are failing

6:10:486:10:52

people when we don't give them an

early diagnosis. The honourable

6:10:526:10:58

member for Cardiff West mentioned

the criminal justice system, which

6:10:586:11:02

is where people with autism and

mental health issues can often end

6:11:026:11:05

up. And he is right, we need to

improve the sensitivity with which

6:11:056:11:11

criminal justice agencies deal with

people with autism and mental

6:11:116:11:13

health. I can advise him that the

Ministry of Justice is working with

6:11:136:11:18

the Home Office and the CPS to

develop new guidelines to help

6:11:186:11:23

officers support people. But I need

to do more with the Ministry of

6:11:236:11:27

Justice to make sure we are putting

people in a setting which is not

6:11:276:11:33

going to damage them further. The

honourable lady also described very

6:11:336:11:48

well how for some people with autism

actually accessing support from GPs

6:11:486:11:54

can cause distress in itself. Again,

this is where debates like this are

6:11:546:12:00

so useful because it is sometimes

the practical, simple things that

6:12:006:12:03

make the biggest impact. It cannot

be beyond the wit of any of us to

6:12:036:12:07

make sure that GPs receive

appropriate advice about things like

6:12:076:12:11

lighting. Even having a quiet area.

Because often when we have a

6:12:116:12:17

multiservice GP and health centres,

there must be room to have a quiet

6:12:176:12:20

area for people.

One of the risks is

that rather than going to the GP,

6:12:206:12:28

people look on the internet, where

sadly they will find faulty

6:12:286:12:31

information about how to take their

own life, what methods to use. And

6:12:316:12:37

if they go into chat rooms, they can

finding courage and to take their

6:12:376:12:41

own life. This is an area that we

must tackle.

I thank the honourable

6:12:416:12:47

lady for that intervention and for

the work she does in this area. She

6:12:476:12:50

is quite right. There is a serious

vulnerability amongst people who

6:12:506:12:58

feel uncomfortable accessing medical

care, and the proximity of the

6:12:586:13:01

internet and the ability to buy

drugs, also, which nobody can

6:13:016:13:05

understand what they are buying. I

think we can do a lot more to enable

6:13:056:13:09

people to protect themselves. The

internet is a great source of

6:13:096:13:14

information but it can be less than

benign when people want to use it

6:13:146:13:17

for those purposes. I have limited

time. I will not do justice to

6:13:176:13:23

everyone's interventions but I will

do my best and it is not because I

6:13:236:13:26

have ignored the point. It is such a

short space of time. The honourable

6:13:266:13:38

lady the member for Bristol West I

thought made some extremely good

6:13:386:13:42

points. She is absolutely right to

highlight the issue of unemployment,

6:13:426:13:47

something I am particularly

concerned about. Coming on a day

6:13:476:13:50

when we have published the working

health strategy, this is an area

6:13:506:13:55

where we need to do better. The

reality is that there is a great

6:13:556:14:02

skill set here, given particular

disciplines. And enlightened

6:14:026:14:05

employers recognise that. I think we

can do a lot more to spread good

6:14:056:14:08

practice, just as with GP surgeries,

what would be sympathetic interview

6:14:086:14:16

styles for people with autism, to

enable them to become integrated in

6:14:166:14:19

that way. She is right, work is

probably the best tool with which to

6:14:196:14:23

protect your mental health. There is

no doubt about that, so we will look

6:14:236:14:27

at that. I was also intrigued by her

autism surgeries and I wonder

6:14:276:14:34

whether she might consider making

that a toolkit that all of us with

6:14:346:14:37

an interest in here might roll out

in our own surgeries. Again, a Lott

6:14:376:14:44

of this is about raising awareness

of the challenges that people with

6:14:446:14:47

autism face. We are in the public

eye and we have the ability to do

6:14:476:14:51

that. It strikes me that what she

has outlined might be a very good

6:14:516:14:55

way of doing that, so please tell me

how you did it. My honourable friend

6:14:556:15:01

was right to mention schools. I

think there is a problem here about

6:15:016:15:05

provision and whether we always get

it right, whether it should be

6:15:056:15:08

mainstream or targeted provision.

And also whether we have enough

6:15:086:15:13

places for all turn to provision if

that is the appropriate setting. In

6:15:136:15:19

my local area, that is particularly

challenging. But it is not fair to

6:15:196:15:24

fail individuals by excluding them

because maintaining them in

6:15:246:15:29

mainstream schools is challenging or

not appropriate for them. The state

6:15:296:15:33

needs to make sure they get

appropriate schooling. My honourable

6:15:336:15:38

friend the member for

Berwick-upon-Tweed spoke at length

6:15:386:15:41

about her experience and has set me

a number of challenges which I will

6:15:416:15:44

be happy to report to her on, but I

can guarantee that the data she

6:15:446:15:48

asked forward be made public next

year. -- the data she asked for will

6:15:486:15:56

be made public next year. Turning to

some of the things we are doing in

6:15:566:16:00

terms of developing the autism

pathway and strategy, we have set an

6:16:006:16:07

expectation in the NHS mandate that

the NHS will reduce the health gap

6:16:076:16:10

between people with mental health

problems, learning disabilities and

6:16:106:16:14

autism and the population as a

whole, and to support them to live

6:16:146:16:18

full, healthy and independent lives.

We acknowledge that the complexity

6:16:186:16:23

of autism and the multifaceted

nature of those on the spectrum does

6:16:236:16:28

pose particular challenges to

professionals and commissioners. I'm

6:16:286:16:33

keen to mental health will be

considered in the autism strategy

6:16:336:16:38

and I will be ensuring that progress

is made in implement in the strategy

6:16:386:16:41

in line with the autism act. It is

important that the NHS accommodates

6:16:416:16:46

the requirements of vulnerable

groups such as autistic people

6:16:466:16:51

through staff training, awareness

raising and reasonable adjustments

6:16:516:16:53

to services. And it should be the

case that autistic people are able

6:16:536:16:57

to access mental health services

like everyone else. If they are

6:16:576:17:02

supported to engage with services

and helped to explain their

6:17:026:17:05

problems, they should be able to

receive treatment in the same way.

6:17:056:17:08

The real key is that they should not

fall between two stalls, between the

6:17:086:17:14

autism and learning disability

service on the one hand and mental

6:17:146:17:17

health on the other. We need to make

sure we give this spoke treatment to

6:17:176:17:20

people with both issues. -- spoke

treatment. It is also the case that

6:17:206:17:28

many of the treatments were

developing will not actually be

6:17:286:17:32

suitable for people with autism, so

we are looking at what we are doing

6:17:326:17:37

to alter the psychological therapies

we are making available, to make

6:17:376:17:41

them more user-friendly and

sympathetic to people with autism. I

6:17:416:17:43

am horrified to hear about group

therapies. I am a complete lay

6:17:436:17:49

person, but it is obvious to me that

group therapy is not appropriate for

6:17:496:17:54

people with autism. Clearly, when

things like that happen, it is an

6:17:546:17:58

indication of how much more we have

to do to make sure that society is

6:17:586:18:02

more sensitive to the needs of those

people with autism. I am now running

6:18:026:18:09

out of time and directly want to

hear from the honourable lady. I

6:18:096:18:14

would emphasise that research will

play an important role. There are

6:18:146:18:18

many projects we are looking at at

the moment. There is a research team

6:18:186:18:25

on neurodevelopment disorders at

Avon and Wiltshire mental health

6:18:256:18:28

partnership. We are looking at

self-help for adults with autism at

6:18:286:18:33

Leeds and your partnership NHS

Foundation Trust. In the east of the

6:18:336:18:36

there is a project looking at

suicide, autism and autistic traits,

6:18:366:18:42

which will be of interest to

everyone who has participated in

6:18:426:18:45

this debate. And I am grateful for

the research undertaken by the

6:18:456:18:54

charity, which has highlighted this

issue and brought us to where we are

6:18:546:18:58

today. I am pleased to say that they

have met with the national suicide

6:18:586:19:04

prevention strategy advisory group

which advises government on the

6:19:046:19:07

national suicide prevention

strategy, to talk about their

6:19:076:19:10

research, and we will be reflecting

on the advice they have given. To

6:19:106:19:17

conclude, once again I thank

everyone for participating in this

6:19:176:19:20

debate. I am always interested to

hear about good practice and what

6:19:206:19:26

more we can do, but we still need to

do much more to support people with

6:19:266:19:31

autism and particularly to make sure

that they can access appropriate

6:19:316:19:35

mental health services.

Thank you,

Madam Deputy Speaker. It has been a

6:19:356:19:42

wonderful debate. Truly cross-party

and collegiate, because we must work

6:19:426:19:49

together to improve the lives and

services for people across the

6:19:496:19:52

autistics. It is about life span, so

it is about a number of services and

6:19:526:20:00

all aspects of the life span and how

people transfer from childhood to

6:20:006:20:05

adult services and making that

streamline. It is also

6:20:056:20:10

multi-department, as we have heard,

so I urge the Minister to speak to

6:20:106:20:13

other departments to make sure the

autism strategy is embedded in all

6:20:136:20:18

of the policies. We need early

diagnosis, awareness and support in

6:20:186:20:23

schools, treatments that are

adapted, and vital research. We

6:20:236:20:27

could be world leading in that

regard and that is a key aspiration

6:20:276:20:31

we should endeavour to meet. We need

support from school to the workplace

6:20:316:20:36

and for carers and families, and we

desperately need to provide crisis

6:20:366:20:39

services. Parliament must be

inclusive. I am keen to hear more

6:20:396:20:45

about what we can do as individual

MPs both in our surgeries and also

6:20:456:20:50

through Parliament to take these

issues forward and make our

6:20:506:20:54

surgeries autism- friendly places,

and ensure we are role models in

6:20:546:20:59

terms of service development. There

are many issues for the Minister to

6:20:596:21:02

take forward. I am thankful for her

response. I am glad her door is open

6:21:026:21:08

and I may be through it on numerous

occasions. I am keen to visit the

6:21:086:21:14

projects she describes that are

going to pave the way for progress.

6:21:146:21:17

I would like to say it is vital to

take this forward, to save lives.

6:21:176:21:22

Let's work together and do this

right across the United Kingdom. And

6:21:226:21:26

I would like to wish everyone happy

Saint Andrew 's day.

Happy Saint

6:21:266:21:32

Andrew 's day. The question is as on

the order paper. The ayes have it.

6:21:326:21:41

The ayes have it. Point of order.

Madam Deputy Speaker, I want to

6:21:416:21:50

raise a conversation I have had in

the last few minutes when I have

6:21:506:21:54

been informed that Royal Bank of

Scotland Group going to be closing

6:21:546:21:57

three branches in my constituency. I

am asking for your assistance, Madam

6:21:576:22:07

Deputy Speaker, to ask one of the

Treasury ministers to come to this

6:22:076:22:10

House to discuss this important

matter. We understand Royal Bank of

6:22:106:22:15

Scotland Group is operationally

independent but nonetheless we have

6:22:156:22:18

a situation where we as a state are

the majority owners of this bank. In

6:22:186:22:23

this case, we have a situation that

the bank is one hour's travel

6:22:236:22:28

distance to the nearest branch.

Another is one hour from Fort

6:22:286:22:35

William. These are banks with

thousands of customers. I think we

6:22:356:22:42

need an urgent debate about the

responsibility that banks such as

6:22:426:22:45

this have to their communities.

6:22:456:22:50

I thank you for your point, but you

know and the house knows that this

6:22:506:22:54

is not a point of order for the

chair and that I cannot give him an

6:22:546:22:58

answer on the issue that he raises

but he seeks my advice on how to

6:22:586:23:05

bring a minister to the dispatch box

and I would advise him that there

6:23:056:23:10

are various methods he can use to do

so and he might like to consult the

6:23:106:23:16

table office on the best way

forward. I'm sure he will also

6:23:166:23:20

consider other ways in which you can

approach the back bench business

6:23:206:23:28

committee to arrange a debate if he

is so declined the -- so inclined,

6:23:286:23:35

but it is not a matter for

discussion on the floor of the

6:23:356:23:38

house, sure his ingenuity will make

sure that this happens.

I beg to

6:23:386:23:44

move that this house do know

adjourned for the big question is

6:23:446:23:49

that this

house do now adjourned --

the question is that this house do

6:23:496:23:57

now adjourned.

In my own family,

this changes are an integral part of

6:23:576:24:04

going out, I was packed off to

Holland at ten use old, until a

6:24:046:24:09

family in France at 11, -- ten years

old for them Germany and Hong Kong

6:24:096:24:14

followed. During my undergraduate

studies I was lucky enough to go on

6:24:146:24:18

a programme to a university and the

pattern repeats itself as in so much

6:24:186:24:26

of what we do as parents, at home we

rarely have a holiday without a

6:24:266:24:33

foreign exchange student, we have

welcomed people from Paris, Moscow,

6:24:336:24:40

Beijing, Castle -- Dusseldorf, we're

just art in to get to a note -- just

6:24:406:24:52

art in to get to know a girl from

southern Italy, and a great deal of

6:24:526:24:56

our family time is applying for

visas for my girls and entertaining

6:24:566:24:59

and providing regular meals for

visiting teenagers. The experience

6:24:596:25:04

is not simply about improving the

ability to communicate in a

6:25:046:25:06

different language, the children

comeback competent and buzzing with

6:25:066:25:10

new experiences as well as a desire

to improve their language skills, --

6:25:106:25:24

come back confident for the we

welcome the wider network we have

6:25:246:25:28

made as a result of getting to know

them. The same is true for year six

6:25:286:25:33

pupils at a primary school in Hull

Lawton -- Hook Norton, who I am

6:25:336:25:40

pleased to see, their teacher told

me about their 18 years of exchanges

6:25:406:25:43

with Sweden and how much the

children gain from them. A primary

6:25:436:25:49

school I also visited this week

exchanges annually with Italian and

6:25:496:25:54

German children and I want such

opportunities to be available to all

6:25:546:25:57

our young people. We must give

greater consideration to language

6:25:576:26:02

learning, the government has been

keen to promote maths and stem

6:26:026:26:08

subjects and is making efforts to

making sure modern foreign language

6:26:086:26:11

is our part of this, but language

learning nevertheless is on a

6:26:116:26:14

downward spiral. The number of GCSEs

in modern manages this year fell by

6:26:146:26:20

more than 7% and this summer's

A-level results showed the number of

6:26:206:26:27

British students taking manages has

almost halved over the last two

6:26:276:26:31

decades, applications to study

European languages at University has

6:26:316:26:34

fallen by 20% in the last four

years. These figures show why we do

6:26:346:26:43

not have enough new teachers leaving

our universities to encourage

6:26:436:26:47

language learning in the children

who are at school today and

6:26:476:26:50

tomorrow. Earlier this week the

Foreign Secretary spoke of his

6:26:506:26:55

vision for global Britain, making

clear that, the driving purpose of

6:26:556:27:01

this government is to strengthen

Britain's global role, to raise our

6:27:016:27:06

level of national ambition, and to

prepare for the opportunities before

6:27:066:27:10

us, he said. So how can foreign

exchanges help? The international

6:27:106:27:17

language of business might be

English but the language of selling

6:27:176:27:21

goes deeper, soft diplomacy involves

much more than just talking, and we

6:27:216:27:27

are fortunate that English is widely

spoken but our success in achieving

6:27:276:27:31

a truly global Britain depends on

our ability to speak to people

6:27:316:27:36

abroad but also to understand their

culture. Shouting loudly when sell

6:27:366:27:41

our products worldwide. -- weren't.

The recent languages for the future

6:27:416:27:48

report makes clear that without

language skills we lose out not only

6:27:486:27:54

to the restricted ability to

communicate internationally but even

6:27:546:27:58

more importantly to the closing down

of opportunities for overseas work

6:27:586:28:02

experience, a lack of international

business sense, a failure to

6:28:026:28:08

appreciate that other cultures have

different ways of doing things, and

6:28:086:28:13

a potential tendency to overestimate

the global importance of British

6:28:136:28:15

culture. Young people who have spent

time immersed in the domestic life

6:28:156:28:20

of another country are so much

better equipped for selling global

6:28:206:28:27

Britain, global justice and our

values and opportunities. Another

6:28:276:28:32

great advantage of student exchanges

is that they are comparatively

6:28:326:28:36

cheap, the cost is that of the fair

and where appropriate the visa, and

6:28:366:28:42

it is important that where we think

seriously about how we deal with

6:28:426:28:48

these young people, when my daughter

visits her Russian exchange she has

6:28:486:28:52

to fill out a new visa application

every time and come to London to

6:28:526:28:56

have her biometrics taken. We put

barriers on both sides, her Russian

6:28:566:29:01

exchange was charged almost £500 for

her UK these application which had

6:29:016:29:09

to be extradited as her initial

application had been refused. All

6:29:096:29:12

this was to allow her to come on our

family holiday to Wales. I realise

6:29:126:29:17

this goes beyond the remit of

ministers but I hope he will work

6:29:176:29:21

with his colleagues in the Home

Office to make sure that teenagers

6:29:216:29:24

like these two as well as the young

people who take part in programmes

6:29:246:29:28

like Erasmus are encouraged in their

exchange in especially after we

6:29:286:29:34

leave the EU. Of course for ...

Thank you forgiving way. Another

6:29:346:29:45

dimension, very often schools...

INAUDIBLE

6:29:456:29:55

Sometimes schools find it difficult

to recruit men which teaches and I

6:29:556:29:59

hope you would agree with me about

that -- recruit language teachers.

A

6:29:596:30:09

very important point, the type of

exchanges I'm talking about involve

6:30:096:30:13

living with a family in a place

abroad and it is that depth of

6:30:136:30:17

understanding that really you only

get in a domestic setting which I'm

6:30:176:30:21

so keen to promote, but of course it

is difficult for schools to arrange

6:30:216:30:25

these exchanges but my point is it

is worth it. I want to thank all

6:30:256:30:30

those teaches who put themselves out

and spend their own holidays often

6:30:306:30:35

travelling with groups of teenagers,

but everyone's cup of tea, to

6:30:356:30:39

far-flung places and enable these

really deep worthwhile experiences

6:30:396:30:46

for our children, and I really hope

that the minister will join me in

6:30:466:30:51

encouraging that to happen.

Thank

you forgiving way. This is a classic

6:30:516:31:00

example of a debate where I left the

chamber and then came back when I

6:31:006:31:05

learned what it was about -- thank

you for giving way. Can I say one

6:31:056:31:11

thing, the issue of friendships

being formed between foreign

6:31:116:31:13

students can be so crucial, and the

fact that President Clinton was a

6:31:136:31:18

scholar at Oxford, that made his

understanding with this country so

6:31:186:31:22

very much more helpful.

Thank you

few intervention. It is indeed the

6:31:226:31:30

depth of friendship that encourages

not just the language deals, but

6:31:306:31:34

also the ability to have a network

of friends and contacts. My own

6:31:346:31:40

early experiences on foreign

exchanges, gave me the confidence to

6:31:406:31:44

travel abroad in the political

sphere so I was able to spend time

6:31:446:31:48

working for the CDU in Germany and

the White House in the states. I

6:31:486:31:54

doubt that I would ever have thought

of such opportunities had I not had

6:31:546:31:58

my early experiences of travel and

of the value of building networks

6:31:586:32:02

across continents which I think that

really early foreign exchange travel

6:32:026:32:08

does for students. I cannot tell him

how valuable I think these

6:32:086:32:13

experiences are. In my view,

exchanges can give our young people

6:32:136:32:20

the internationalist outlook we

need, we should capitalise on the

6:32:206:32:24

teenage ability to make friends

easily, and encourage them to open

6:32:246:32:28

their eyes to new and different

opportunities. Even though language

6:32:286:32:32

learning does involve hard work and

grammar and vocab tests, the speed

6:32:326:32:38

with which you pick up a language

when they are immersed in family

6:32:386:32:41

life is second to none, learning

with a friend is so much better, and

6:32:416:32:47

the technology now available to

students makes it very accessible.

6:32:476:32:52

My children have mandarin and

rushing keyboards on their phones to

6:32:526:32:55

enable them to text their exchange

exchange friends -- Russian. I

6:32:556:33:07

commend their enthusiasm and this

seems to be the way that the

6:33:076:33:10

children of today find easiest to

communicate and my daughter does her

6:33:106:33:14

texting in Russian, and the Russian

exchange does have is in English,

6:33:146:33:17

which I think is really commendable.

And not just on to frustrate

6:33:176:33:21

mothers. -- done. Finally, language

learning has health benefits,

6:33:216:33:31

studies of people without sinus

disease has shown that on average

6:33:316:33:33

symptoms started 4.5 years later for

those people who could speed at

6:33:336:33:39

least two languages. -- speak. It is

important to mention my own

6:33:396:33:47

grandmother who is in her 90s who

continues to work on her languages

6:33:476:33:50

through audio books. Her eyesight is

not as good as it once was, but she

6:33:506:33:55

successfully taught generations of

children of all abilities to

6:33:556:34:00

communicate in a selection of

languages, albeit with a strong

6:34:006:34:04

Welsh accent. I asked the minister

to join me in thanking her and in

6:34:046:34:11

today's generation of language

teachers, including the

6:34:116:34:15

inspirational women who teach my own

daughters and I ask him to encourage

6:34:156:34:20

them to promote the student

exchanges that we need to take

6:34:206:34:24

forward global Britain.

Minister

Nick Gibb.

Can I congratulate my

6:34:246:34:34

friend on securing this debate and I

do join her in thanking those

6:34:346:34:38

language teachers up and down the

country who teach our young people

6:34:386:34:43

to speak and to write and to read in

a foreign language for ... I was in

6:34:436:34:53

the school this morning with a group

of commendable language teachers

6:34:536:34:55

doing wonderful work in that school.

This debate gives me the opportunity

6:34:556:35:00

to emphasise the government's

commitment to remaining open to the

6:35:006:35:04

world after we leave the European

Union. And becoming even more global

6:35:046:35:09

after we leave, and internationalist

in our outlook improving the take-up

6:35:096:35:14

of teaching modern foreign averages

in our schools and making sure that

6:35:146:35:17

there continues to be international

opportunities for students and young

6:35:176:35:23

people and teachers to participate

in exchanges, an important part of

6:35:236:35:27

achieving this goal. There are

business and cultural and

6:35:276:35:32

educational benefits to learning a

language and the level of take-up

6:35:326:35:35

and proficiency of horror languages

in England is not yet what it should

6:35:356:35:39

be -- foreign languages. We have

taken steps to address this issue.

6:35:396:35:46

In 2010 we introduced the English

baccalaureate and to meet this level

6:35:466:35:52

of performance. It funded secondary

schools, pupils have to be entered

6:35:526:35:57

for GCSEs in English, maths,

science, history- geography and an

6:35:576:36:02

ancient or modern language, and we

announced our ambition for 75% of

6:36:026:36:08

year ten pupils to be taking this by

2022 and for this gem reached 90% by

6:36:086:36:13

2025. -- to have reached. This

represents a significant step change

6:36:136:36:21

for schools especially in relation

to the uptake of languages, GCSEs,

6:36:216:36:26

which is often the area that has

prevented schools achieving higher

6:36:266:36:29

entry rates. Our expectation is to

see the uptake increase over the

6:36:296:36:36

coming years, widening the potential

pool students with the ability to

6:36:366:36:39

continue studying languages to a

higher level, and in September 2014

6:36:396:36:44

schools began teaching a new

national curriculum that we

6:36:446:36:47

introduced, which requires local

authorities maintained primary

6:36:476:36:51

schools to teach a modern or agent

foreign language to pupils at Key

6:36:516:36:55

stage two, and schools can choose

which language to Cheech -- to teach

6:36:556:37:03

it is mandatory.

6:37:046:37:12

Whilst there isn't any requirement

for every pupil to then take a

6:37:126:37:16

language to GCSE, there is a

statutory entitlement for every

6:37:166:37:19

pupil to take a course leading to a

recognised qualification if they

6:37:196:37:23

wish to do so. The fact that pupils

often have the choice to continue

6:37:236:37:29

studying a language to GCSE makes it

important for their early

6:37:296:37:33

experiences of being taught a

language as a subject to be

6:37:336:37:36

positive. In Ofsted's 2015 report...

I thank the Minister for giving way.

6:37:366:37:43

He might be able to answer this. How

popular is Chinese, in terms of

6:37:436:37:49

language interest of people wanting

to take it up? Because the Chinese

6:37:496:37:53

have lots of markets.

If the

honourable gentleman will be

6:37:536:38:01

patient, I will come to that. One of

the purposes of my visit this

6:38:016:38:04

morning was to look at the Mandarin

excellence programme happening in a

6:38:046:38:08

number of schools. In Ofsted's 2015

report on key stage three, it

6:38:086:38:14

reported that many pupils chose to

discontinue studying Lang wedges at

6:38:146:38:18

the end of Key stage three because

of a lack of enjoyment in lessons,

6:38:186:38:22

or a feeling of not making enough

progress. -- languages. This was

6:38:226:38:29

despite many pupils recognising the

value of languages. And to buy this,

6:38:296:38:33

the teaching schools Council carried

out a review of the modern

6:38:336:38:37

foreign-language as pedagogy in key

stages three and four, carried out

6:38:376:38:41

by an experienced headteacher, which

reported in November last year. This

6:38:416:38:47

set out principles for delivering

effective language teaching and

6:38:476:38:50

produced a number of recommendations

for teachers and head teachers. We

6:38:506:38:56

have also improved the standard and

quality of qualifications. We have

6:38:566:39:01

worked with subject experts,

universities and teachers to design

6:39:016:39:04

new GCSEs and A-levels which bought

French, German and Spanish were

6:39:046:39:10

introduced in 2016. The level of

demand matches those of the highest

6:39:106:39:14

performing countries in the world

and these qualifications will better

6:39:146:39:17

prepare pupils for the demands of

further education and employment.

6:39:176:39:22

These are robust qualifications in

which students, employers, colleges

6:39:226:39:26

and universities can have

confidence. French, German and

6:39:266:39:30

Spanish remained the three most

popular foreign-language is taught

6:39:306:39:34

in our schools, although Mandarin is

coming up fast. As the British

6:39:346:39:38

Council report, languages for the

future report highlights Mandarin is

6:39:386:39:45

one of the top five languages of

crucial importance for the UK's

6:39:456:39:49

future prosperity, security and

influence in the world. My

6:39:496:39:53

honourable friend may be interested

to know, and the honourable

6:39:536:39:56

gentleman, that we established and

funded the Mandarin excellence

6:39:566:40:01

programme, which started in 2016.

This offers intense study in the

6:40:016:40:07

language which is not only

personally enriching for students

6:40:076:40:10

but will give them a significant

advantage when they enter the world

6:40:106:40:13

of work. We want 5000 young people

to study the language and become

6:40:136:40:20

fluent by 2020. Pupils on the

programme study Mandarin for eight

6:40:206:40:23

hours a week. At least four hours of

which are teacher- led, in

6:40:236:40:30

classrooms. And four hours are in

their own time. It over the course

6:40:306:40:35

of the next four years, I hope we

will see a significant increase in

6:40:356:40:40

the time, the numbers of pupils on

the programme. The programme started

6:40:406:40:45

with 14 schools in September 2016,

and 23 additional schools joined in

6:40:456:40:50

September this year. I was delighted

today to be able to meet some of the

6:40:506:40:55

pupils and see the programme in

action during my visit to Alexandra

6:40:556:40:59

Park School in Haringey. At that

school, 27 pupils started in year

6:40:596:41:05

seven in the year seven cohort in

September last year. They scored an

6:41:056:41:11

impressive 95% average mark in

progress tests across reading,

6:41:116:41:14

writing, listening and speaking last

summer and have all progressed to

6:41:146:41:18

the second year of the programme.

And a New Year seven cohort started

6:41:186:41:22

Mandarin lessons in September 2017

and I am sure they will do equally

6:41:226:41:27

well. Incidentally, all of their

year seven pupils study Mandarin and

6:41:276:41:33

a European language during the year.

Once again, I am not sure whether

6:41:336:41:38

the Minister can answer. Are there

any schools in Coventry teaching

6:41:386:41:45

Mandarin?

I will have to write to

the honourable gentleman about that.

6:41:456:41:49

We want to have a spread of the

Mandarin excellence programmes

6:41:496:41:53

across the country, but the initial

schools were chosen because they

6:41:536:41:57

have a track record of teaching

Mandarin very well. As a team goes

6:41:576:42:01

pupils this morning, and it has been

led by someone from the UCL

6:42:016:42:09

Institute of education, who has

driven the project forward, but the

6:42:096:42:13

pupils I met this morning were

hugely impressive, very ambitious

6:42:136:42:16

with very high expectations. They

not only want to take a GCSE and

6:42:166:42:21

A-level in Mandarin but they also

want to go onto HSK four and HSK

6:42:216:42:27

five, which is essentially fluency

in the Langridge. What was also

6:42:276:42:32

interesting about these pupils, I

asked all of them what they wanted

6:42:326:42:35

to do in their school and none of

them wanted to go on to study

6:42:356:42:39

Mandarin at university. They wanted

to be lawyers, doctors and business

6:42:396:42:43

people but they wanted to be fluent

in Mandarin while being lawyers and

6:42:436:42:46

doctors and businesspeople.

The

answer to my question may be to

6:42:466:42:53

write a letter to John Swinney in

the Scottish Government, but does

6:42:536:42:56

the minister have any idea what the

situation is perhaps over teaching

6:42:566:43:01

Mandarin across-the-board in

Scotland?

I'm afraid I don't. This

6:43:016:43:06

is a devolved matter. I have spoken

to John Swinney a number of times

6:43:066:43:11

about education matters and they

have a new curriculum for excellence

6:43:116:43:14

which they are implement in

Scotland. The programme I have been

6:43:146:43:19

talking about also supports the

training of new Mandarin teachers to

6:43:196:43:24

ensure there is capacity within the

system to teach Mandarin. The

6:43:246:43:28

quality and supply of teachers of

modern foreign languages is

6:43:286:43:33

essential to pupil proficiency and

progression. It is important that

6:43:336:43:36

they are taught by high-quality

inspiring teachers, like those I met

6:43:366:43:38

this morning, in all subjects. We

remain committed to attracting the

6:43:386:43:43

brightest and best graduates into

teaching. To support this, we

6:43:436:43:49

offered generous tax-free bursary is

worth up to £26,000, and tax-free

6:43:496:43:53

scholarships of up to anti-£8,000

for trainees in modern foreign

6:43:536:43:59

languages. Figures today show we

recruited 1405 modern

6:43:596:44:04

foreign-language trainees to start

teacher training courses this year,

6:44:046:44:08

93% of our target, and similar to

performance last year where we

6:44:086:44:12

achieved 94% of the target.

Would

the minister be aware of the

6:44:126:44:21

programme in Scotland run by

Scottish enterprise which sponsors

6:44:216:44:25

the gross salary of an undergraduate

up to 40% of gross salary for a year

6:44:256:44:31

to take a placement in industry on

subjects of business development?

6:44:316:44:36

When I worked with Scottish

enterprise I sponsored a Mandarin

6:44:366:44:40

student who worked with a heavy

engineering company in Scotland. As

6:44:406:44:43

a result of that placement, the

company increased its turnover in

6:44:436:44:48

the Chinese market by 60% in a given

year. That shows the potential of

6:44:486:44:53

integrating foreign-language skills

into industry which could benefit

6:44:536:44:55

the UK.

The honourable member makes

a good point. We are a global

6:44:556:45:01

trading nation and we have to be

able to speak to customers in their

6:45:016:45:05

own language. It is essential. That

is why I feel as passionately as my

6:45:056:45:11

honourable friend and the honourable

gentleman about the importance of

6:45:116:45:13

young people learning languages. We

recognise that recruitment in modern

6:45:136:45:20

foreign-language subjects is

challenging, which is why we are

6:45:206:45:22

supporting schools with initiatives

that go beyond standard recruitment

6:45:226:45:26

channels. We announced a new student

loan reimbursement programme for

6:45:266:45:30

modern foreign-language teachers in

the early years of their career,

6:45:306:45:33

which in scent of eyes is new

teachers to stay in the profession

6:45:336:45:36

and teach in the areas where they

are needed most. We also recognise

6:45:366:45:43

the contribution internationally

trained teachers make, which is why

6:45:436:45:45

we want to ensure that schools have

the opportunity to recruit from

6:45:456:45:49

overseas to fill posts that cannot

be filled from the resident

6:45:496:45:52

workforce. We work with the Spanish

Ministry of education and have

6:45:526:45:57

joined their visiting teachers

programme that provides

6:45:576:46:00

opportunities for schools in England

to recruit from Spain. There is an

6:46:006:46:07

acclimatisation package to support

new teachers to live and work in

6:46:076:46:10

England and 16 teachers took up post

in September 2000 and 17. We have

6:46:106:46:15

built a group than pool of over 60

available for recruitment in this

6:46:156:46:18

academic year. We recognise the

benefits that cultural exchange can

6:46:186:46:23

bring. Building important political,

diplomatic and knowledge sharing

6:46:236:46:28

networks around the world, not to

mention the lifelong friendships

6:46:286:46:33

that come from those exchanges.

Since 2007, the UK Government has

6:46:336:46:38

co-an annual headteachers exchange

programme with the Ministry of

6:46:386:46:43

education in Singapore, and the

British Council and I were delighted

6:46:436:46:48

to attend the tenth anniversary of

that programme last week. This

6:46:486:46:52

scheme provides an excellent

opportunity for head teachers in

6:46:526:46:55

England to share ideas and practice

with counterparts in Singapore, who

6:46:556:46:59

are the best performing country on

important areas such as improving

6:46:596:47:04

maths teaching and the use of

textbooks to support and enrich its

6:47:046:47:09

curriculum. Headteachers who have

taken part have reported a lasting

6:47:096:47:12

positive impact. For example, one

executive head in Lincoln has now

6:47:126:47:19

trained 60 teachers across the

teaching schools Alliance in maths

6:47:196:47:24

mastery following her visit to

Singapore in 2016. So links and

6:47:246:47:30

exchanges between schools have long

provided valuable cultural and

6:47:306:47:34

language experiences for pupils and

many schools have long-standing

6:47:346:47:36

partnerships with schools overseas.

The British Council manages a number

6:47:366:47:41

of programmes in over 40 countries

and a supported framework for

6:47:416:47:47

international activities in schools

through its international school

6:47:476:47:50

award. Supporting school exchanges

helps create a new generation who

6:47:506:47:55

are globally mobile, culturally

agile and thrive in an increasingly

6:47:556:47:57

global economy. In higher education,

we are keen to work with the sector

6:47:576:48:02

to explore how we can best promote

outward mobility and the benefits UK

6:48:026:48:07

students will gain from studying

abroad. This month my honourable

6:48:076:48:11

friend that universities Minister

welcomed a campaign launched by

6:48:116:48:17

universities UK International to

encourage young people to experience

6:48:176:48:21

studying working and volunteering

abroad. This aims to double the

6:48:216:48:25

percentage of UK students having

some form of outward mobility

6:48:256:48:29

experience as part of their degree

by 2020. In view of time, I cannot

6:48:296:48:36

talk about student exchange without

mentioning the Rasmus plus

6:48:366:48:41

programme. As my right honourable

friend the Prime Minister made clear

6:48:416:48:45

in her Florence speech, education

was one area where she hoped the UK

6:48:456:48:48

would continue to participate on the

basis of a fair ongoing contribution

6:48:486:48:53

amongst many areas of business,

commerce and culture. But we are not

6:48:536:49:00

just committed to providing our

young people with outwardly mobile

6:49:006:49:06

opportunities. We also recognise the

importance of welcoming talent from

6:49:066:49:10

around the world into our

universities. EU and international

6:49:106:49:15

students in rich UK financially and

culturally. They bring diversity our

6:49:156:49:20

schools universities and colleges,

adding an international dimensional

6:49:206:49:23

to the experience of students and

they go on to become important

6:49:236:49:27

ambassadors for the UK in later

life. I am grateful to my honourable

6:49:276:49:32

friend for raising these issues

today and allowing me to point out

6:49:326:49:35

how much the government values

modern foreign languages,

6:49:356:49:39

inspiration for teachers and

students Jane is. I hope she is

6:49:396:49:44

reassured that we recognise the

importance of this issue and we are

6:49:446:49:47

working to get the right result for

the education sector and the United

6:49:476:49:50

Kingdom.

The question is that this

House do now adjourn. The ayes have

6:49:506:49:56

it. The ayes have it. Order. Order.

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