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day in both houses of parliament.

First, questions to the Communities

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Secretary Sajid Javid and his

ministerial team.

Mrs Emma

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Lewell-Buck. The secretary of state

for local government, Sajid Javid.

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Thank you Mr Speaker. With

permission, I would like to answer

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this question with questions two and

ten. Too many people sleep rough,

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and I am determined to do more. I am

going to tackle this issue.

I thank

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the Secretary of State for his

answer, even though he didn't answer

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my question, because the reality is

that, since 2010, rough sleeping has

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seen a rise of 134%. Worse still,

this government has encouraged local

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authorities to use public space

protection orders to criminalise and

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find rough sleepers when they accept

food or money from kind strangers,

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when on earth is he going to curb

this?

Mr Speaker, the Honourable

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lady is talking about trends. Let me

remind her, studied Aurier homeless

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accidents is reached their peak in

2003 under the previous Labour

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government, and since then, is down

by more than half. Of course, there

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is much more to do. The honourable

lady is right to highlight the

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issue, which is why I am sure she

will welcome the government's work

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including £1 billion of funding over

the spending period.

According to

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Shell -- Shelter the biggest cost

being the termination of private

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rental agreements. Could the

Minister tell us what he is doing to

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make tenancies at your? -- secure.

The honourable lady is right to

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emphasise this issue. It is an issue

that both sides have worked hard on.

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She would welcome the funding

provided, including the announcement

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that we are helping all

constituencies on more funding to

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tackle homelessness, and the

ministerial task force, making an

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effort across government.

Many young homeless people feared

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being trapped in local authority

temporary accommodation when they

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lose their housing benefit under

Universal Credit. Given the

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regulation that roll-out has been

delayed, will he agree to pass on

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the concerns of curbing the's

Council?

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I hope the honourable lady will join

me welcoming Universal Credit. And

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where there have been issues, my

right honourable friend, the welfare

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secretary, has listened carefully,

he responded through the recent

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budget, including with changes that

will help people that are getting

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housing benefit, including the new

transition to Universal Credit,

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housing benefit that will help 2.3

million people.

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The recent National Audit Office

report on this issue show that while

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councils have increased spending on

tackling homelessness, they would

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use spending on preventing it in the

first place. These priorities seem

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to make no sense. Can I urge the

Secretary of State to make sure all

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councils reverse the trend to tackle

the causes, not just the symptoms.

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My honourable friend speaks from

experience, having been a housing

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and planning Minister. He knows the

issues well. He is right to

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highlight this. It was important the

whole house supported the

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Homelessness Reduction Act, coming

into force April next year, and with

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that, there will be funding of 70

million to local authorities.

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One person remains sleeping and that

is a tragedy. There are complex

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reasons, physical health, drink and

drug abuse, those are the

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complications. To make it a party

political issue diminishes the

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interests of those people.

My honourable friend is right. This

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is one of those issues that we can

safely say, every member of the

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House is concerned about it, and if

we work together, we can achieve

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more. £28 million for the housing,

announced by the Chancellor, helping

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people to deal with complex needs he

talks about.

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I congratulate my right honourable

friend in securing additional

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funding for homelessness in the

budget. What is he going to do to

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roll out a programme to combat rough

sleeping right across the country,

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to end the national scandal once and

for all.

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Mr Speaker, let me take this

opportunity to commend my honourable

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friend for all the work he has done

to combat homelessness in this House

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and beyond, including the

Homelessness Reduction Act, which he

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championed. But he is right to

highlight the new funding, £28

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million for the free housing fund

project. £320 million to help

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prevent people getting into

homelessness in the first place, and

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we will look carefully and talk

widely about how best to make use of

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the money.

£1 million is about to be cut from

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Stoke-on-Trent City Council budget

that won the authority, pushing the

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support for homeless people onto

excellent organisations like the

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YMCA, if the organisations cannot

get support from the local

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authority, what help will the

Minister give to make sure they get

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the resources they need?

The honourable gentleman is right to

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ask what can central government do

to help?

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We are providing resources

nationally, £1 billion of funding to

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2020, the highest budget ever

dedicated to combating homelessness.

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I also want to mention the work of

the YMCA. YMCA Black Country and

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Rachael Taylor in my constituency

run an open door programme that

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places young people in family homes,

so they can continue to enjoy a

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family live. Will the Minister join

me in visiting this work in my

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constituency?

Can I take this opportunity to thank

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my honourable friend for the work he

did long before he came into the

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House, work he continues to

champion. I will happily join him in

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his constituency, I hear the work

YMCA has done throughout the

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country, including in his

constituency, has been exemplary.

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Over 120,000 children are said to be

living without a home in temperate

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accommodation this Christmas. An

increase of six to 6% since 2010.

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Why has the number risen under the

Conservatives?

-- 66%. When people

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are homeless, all of those people

are vulnerable, but particularly

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children. That is why we must work

together to do all we can. The

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funding provided over £400 million

for the flexible grant provided

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through local authorities can help.

This would be work taken on by the

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new task force to see what more they

can do across government.

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Homelessness is a complex issue, I

am sure everyone agrees that it is

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something we should not be facing. I

would like to ask my friend what

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discussions he has had a cross

department or government, for

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instance, with mental health, always

identified as an issue with

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homelessness.

My honourable friend is again right

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to raise this issue, but the causes

of homelessness, including rough

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sleeping, are very complex, it is

not just economic. He is right to

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advertise mental health issues. I

think that the green paper announced

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by my right honourable friends, the

Health Secretary and the Education

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Secretary, looking into mental

health of children and young people,

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it is an appropriate time to make

sure we are doing everything we can

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as a government.

May I first start by paying tribute

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to the former Labour MP Jimmy Hood.

I understand he died today, the

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thoughts of me and my party with his

family and friends. Mr Speaker,

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shelter has found that... almost

certainly some of those people made

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homeless will sleep rough.

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Can I first of all associate myself

with the comments the honourable

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lady made about Jimmy Hood, he will

be sorely missed by the House. Can I

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also, she made a point about

Scottish experience, interims of

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combating homelessness, one of the

things we want to do is make sure we

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are looking at best practice across

the outside of England, whether

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there are things to learn in

Scotland, we would look at that.

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Measures have been suggested by my

honourable friend is from Scotland.

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We are also looking further, for

example, the housing first policy

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from Finland.

The honourable lady

has broken the news to us on this

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side about Jimmy Hood's death, and I

want to say he was a huge, humane

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figure in Scottish Labour and in

this House. He will be sorely

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missed. Mr Speaker, the Secretary of

State tries to tell us the

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government has a good record on

homelessness. Since 2010, ministers

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made 452 announcements on

homelessness, but 47,000 more

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children are now homeless. That's

100 more homeless children for every

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Conservative press release. What's

needed now is action to deal with

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the root causes of this rising

homelessness, not more warm words. A

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straight question, will there be any

further cuts in funding in this

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Parliament for homeless hostels and

women's refuges, under his plans for

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short-term supported housing?

First of all, can I say to the right

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honourable gentleman, last week, the

two of us attended a parliamentary

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reception here at the House was

among those. We both talked about

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the importance of issues that

sometimes are above politics, and we

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should cooperate on this House on

all sides. Homelessness and Ross Li

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Peng is one of them. I know he meant

it when he said it. I will take his

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question as a serious question, and

we have no plans to cut the funding

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whether it is women's refuges or

other support for homelessness. What

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we saw in the budget for my right

honourable friend a couple of weeks

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ago was an increase in spending and

resources to fight homelessness.

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The problem is many decisions his

government have taken have made this

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problem worse.

In his consultation

document on supported Housing he

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pledges to protect funding only

2020-21 which is why homeless

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charities and Wiggins's refuges and

women's aid are concerned it poses a

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risk to future services. The tragedy

is we know what works because we

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have done it before when Labour was

in government. Will he backed

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Labour's plan to end rough sleeping

homelessness within a parliament,

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provide 4000 extra homes for rough

sleepers, review Social Security and

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build low-cost housing needed?

He is

being disingenuous with his use of

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those figures and facts. We know

when it comes to women's refuges we

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have taken...

Disingenuous means

dishonest. Order. And that cannot be

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said without a response and the

Secretary of State is a versatile

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fellow and dextrous in his use of

language and I'm sure he will

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withdraw and use another word.

Secretary of State. I withdraw the

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word disingenuous. He is not being

as clear as he could be. When it

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comes to women's refuges we have

dedicated 20 million to provide 2200

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additional bed spaces and in future

years it is right to see what the

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mamba is and make appropriate

resources available.

He is right to

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say if somebody uses such a word

refuses to withdraw it that member

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only has one place to go and it is

out. But the right honourable

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gentleman did withdraw, so the

crisis has been averted.

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It is on the record and I hope the

honourable gentleman is now content.

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With your permission I will answer

this question with number 18 and the

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government recognises pressures

faced by local authorities and has

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provided additional funding for

adult social care.

In the budget

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statements, the words social care

did not pass the Chancellor's lips.

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Indeed, in response to a written

question he said he did not give any

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consideration to the funding these

for social care in the next

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financial year and the Local

Government Association estimate,

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there is a shortfall of around £3

billion. Does he agree with the

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Chancellor that no more money is

needed for social care or will he

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pressed the Chancellor to think

again?

Can I thank the honourable

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gentleman for the work he does

through the Select Committee and its

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leadership on social care. I listen

to the issues he brings up and I'm

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sure he will recognise the 2 billion

makes a huge difference, meaning

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there is 9.2 billion dedicated over

the next years. There are challenges

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which is why we have the green paper

on social care next year.

I was

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stunned to find out local

authorities do not have to consider

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the quality of care in a care home

place. It means there are numbers of

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elderly people forced to live in

facilities that are inadequate. The

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profit-making sector is failing but

rather than pass the box to the

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local authorities, what would he do

to ensure there is enough money to

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enable every elderly person to live

in a good home?

The honourable

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member is right to highlight we are

looking at the responsibility of

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local authorities to help older

people in society and they should be

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concerned with quality of care which

is why the sea QC is independently

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involved. We have to make sure

funding is there and I have said

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extra resources have been provided

and we are looking at longer-term

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challenges.

Are we abandoning it?

I

could tell my honourable friend what

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the government has decided is to

look at a host of issues impacting

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adult social care because of the

ageing society which is why the

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appropriate way to look at this is

to get it right and have a green

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paper on adult social care.

Question

number four, Mr Speaker.

Our

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departments have developed a joint

programme to better integrate

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funding decisions and policies to

maximise economic growth and deliver

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an improved transport system for

Great Britain.

Can the minister tell

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the House why the Yorkshire and

Humber region was not allocated new

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funding as part of the Northern

Powerhouse when there is evidence of

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underfunding on the rail network in

this region?

The transforming cities

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fund with 1.7 billion, 850 million

is not allocated, is available to

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all local authorities to bid into to

improve transport. In total we are

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investing 13 billion in Northern

infrastructure in this parliament,

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more than any government in history.

In the West Midlands, £5.8 million

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has been invested under the second

devolution deal to unlock congestion

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and we will see an expansion of the

tram network to Dudley. Will my

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honourable friend prevail on the

Secretary of State to continue to

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liaise with the Mayor of the West

Midlands, Andy Street... In order

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that we see this good work continue?

I'm sure everyone in the house was

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delighted in the budget we agreed a

second ambitious devolution deal

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with Andy Street. With the Secretary

of State as the Midlands engine

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champion providing the supercharger

for the Midlands engine we have

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Andrew Street as the turbocharger

for the Midlands.

Tomorrow my

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honourable friend for the City of

Chester will open a debate on tolls

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on the Mersey crossing. Does he

accept the fact you cannot cross

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them River Mersey between Warrington

and Liverpool without paying a toll,

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whether across the bridge or through

the tunnels, is holding back the

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regional economy and if so would he

have urgent discussions with his

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colleagues in the Department for

Transport to rectify this?

I have

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held discussions with Steve Rather,

the mayor of Liverpool, who told me

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as a Labour mayor he supported the

toll charges.

Swindon is building

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houses at roughly three times the

national average and we wish to go

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further. Swindon's proposal to use

the transforming cities fund to

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extend the rail link to Swindon and

unlocking further new homes in

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Swindon.

Yet is a tempting

invitation to give support to a bid

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to the transforming cities fund but

this is what this fund is designed

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to do when people come forward with

good proposals, the fund on a

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competitive basis should be there to

support them.

London received almost

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£2000 per person on transport

investment and Yorkshire and the

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Humber £190, Northeast, 220,

Northwest, £680. Even if every penny

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of the 800 million referred to is

allocated to the north, that is £53

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per head. When will the Northern

Powerhouse kept the money to compete

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on a par with London?

I am sure they

are delighted a left-wing think tank

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has just had their figures repeated

in the chamber but they simply

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incorrect. They do not include 60%

of national infrastructure spending

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and do not include spending on HS2,

which as someone who was born and

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brought up in the north, I know will

benefit the North more than any

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other part of the country.

Number

five, served.

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We collect a range of financial data

on local government and local

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authorities publish their own

including budget documents and

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accounts and we engage with local

authorities to discuss issues

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including those relating to finance.

Will the minister confirm a review

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of fair funding for local government

is under and given that the county

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council is considering closing 28 of

its 36 libraries encourage it to

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bring forward proposals to set up a

countywide trust to keep these vital

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facilities open?

I thank him for his

question and he is right we are

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pushing ahead on the review of fair

funding for local authorities and

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for Northants, I would encourage the

county council to look at ways to

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provide services valued by its

residents.

In the light of the

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financial situation at the county

council, with the minister be keen

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to look at the emerging proposals

from across Northamptonshire as to

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how local government might be better

restructured?

We recognise the

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financial pressure Northamptonshire

County Council is under and stand

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ready to look at any locally led

proposals as to how local government

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might better be restructured to

transform these challenges into

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opportunities.

Number six, Mr

Speaker.

We announced further

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reforms of financial support in the

budget to increase housing supply in

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England which includes 15 billion of

new financial support and 44 billion

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funding and reforms to ensure more

land is available for housing.

I

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thank him. The work done by his

department and the Pledge in the

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budget to build new homes, 300,000,

in England is welcome. Will he

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joined me in calling for the

Scottish Government to match the

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Scottish Conservative is in their

pledge to build 100,000 new homes so

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young people in my constituency have

the same opportunities as those in

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England?

I join my honourable friend

and he is right to highlight the

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issue, the Scottish Government had

failed on their own targets when it

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comes to house-building, especially

affordable house building and I

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recommend his ideas and ambition,

shown by the Scottish Conservatives

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in challenging the SNP to build more

homes in Scotland.

Not a single new

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home has been registered in York in

the last quarter the light that the

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draft local plan has been rejected

by the Secretary of State because of

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the council's failure to address

York's housing crisis, will he work

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with councillors including Labour

councillors to make sure we get it

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right for the city and houses that

need to be built for the future?

The

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honourable lady will not the

government has invested huge amounts

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to make sure house-building picks

up. It was down to 100,000 a year

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when the government took office and

the latest year, 217,000. A lot more

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to do including in York and I have

written to the council in York to

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work with them to speed up planned

development.

In Berlin and elsewhere

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in Germany, architects, landowners,

the homeless and councils cooperate

0:24:340:24:38

to bring forward thousands of new

dwellings through mutual

0:24:380:24:42

cooperatives. Will he encourage

councils here to look at it as a way

0:24:420:24:47

of bringing forward more dwellings

more quickly?

I agree with him and

0:24:470:24:54

the direction he set out. One issue

we have tackled in the housing White

0:24:540:24:59

Paper is making sure we have more

diversity of supply, including

0:24:590:25:06

different types, including custom

build and cooperatives. Can I also

0:25:060:25:09

commend the work he has done in this

area.

In new ferry we are desperate

0:25:090:25:17

to build new homes as part of the

regeneration after the explosion. I

0:25:170:25:23

am disappointed the government

refused to help with emergency costs

0:25:230:25:27

but can he confirm he has received

world Council's e-mail containing

0:25:270:25:34

the regeneration plan and he will

step forward and found that

0:25:340:25:38

regeneration?

I can confirm we have

just received their plan and I

0:25:380:25:47

believe we received it five days

ago. We have been waiting five

0:25:470:25:52

months so I'm not sure why it took

the council so long but now we have

0:25:520:25:56

received it we will take a closer

look.

Will the minister, Secretary

0:25:560:26:04

of State reassure constituents in

Hitchin and Harpenden that despite

0:26:040:26:08

the need to build more houses, green

belt restrictions have not been

0:26:080:26:11

loosened and it will be protected?

0:26:110:26:18

I can reassure my honourable friend

that there have been no changes in

0:26:180:26:21

green belt rules, and building on

green belt requires exceptional

0:26:210:26:27

reasons. There were no changes in

the housing white paper or recent

0:26:270:26:32

announcement by my right honourable

friend, the Chancellor. The changes

0:26:320:26:35

we announced was more funding to

make sure we get the right

0:26:350:26:37

infrastructure in the right places

to build more homes.

Mr Speaker, the

0:26:370:26:43

Scottish Government have delivered

over six to 9500 affordable homes

0:26:430:26:47

during the period since 2007, and

compared to just 49 in England. With

0:26:470:27:00

the honourable gentleman confirm why

it is there is no commitment to the

0:27:000:27:04

increase in social rented housing in

the budget.

We are not going to take

0:27:040:27:11

lectures from the SNP but it comes

to housing. Under the SMP, housing

0:27:110:27:18

declined by 40%, housing completion

for housing ownership for and all

0:27:180:27:25

affordable housing targets being

missed, it is about time the

0:27:250:27:28

honourable lady started listening to

the Scottish Conservatives.

0:27:280:27:35

Mr Speaker, the Home Secretary

referred to the aspirations for home

0:27:350:27:40

ownership. In the last year of the

Labour government, for the under

0:27:400:27:44

45s, 54% of homes were owned by

their occupants. Under this present

0:27:440:27:52

government, this has plummeted to

44%. Given the Chancellor has cut

0:27:520:27:55

the money the starter homes in the

budget, can the Secretary of State

0:27:550:28:00

tell the House what has he learned

from seven years of Conservative

0:28:000:28:04

failure? What is he going to do to

give hope to our under 45s.

0:28:040:28:11

The honourable gentleman talks about

failure when it comes to delivering

0:28:110:28:14

housing, I think he has the wrong

party. The track record of the

0:28:140:28:19

Labour government that he was a part

of saw a massive fall in house

0:28:190:28:24

building in the country to its

lowest level since the 1920s. A

0:28:240:28:28

decline in social units Brent by 420

1000. Doubling the waiting list for

0:28:280:28:33

social housing. Their record is one

of the worst records the country has

0:28:330:28:38

seen when it comes to housing. If he

wants to do something about it, he

0:28:380:28:43

should support the government.

Alok Sharma.

As my honourable friend

0:28:430:28:52

knows, the government is concerned

0:28:520:28:57

Alok Sharma.

As my honourable friend

knows, the government is concerned,

0:28:570:28:57

why we issue a call for evidence on

the evidence on unauthorised

0:28:570:29:02

development is, and I will publish

the call for evidence shortly.

0:29:020:29:07

On a daily basis, Central

Bedfordshire is dealing with

0:29:070:29:09

completely unacceptable numbers of

unauthorised traveller encampments,

0:29:090:29:14

many travellers only and elsewhere,

and many of their children are not

0:29:140:29:19

in school. When will the

government's consultation actually

0:29:190:29:23

lead to appropriate power was being

available to all local authorities,

0:29:230:29:26

including my own?

I know that my honourable friend has

0:29:260:29:33

expressed views on this a number of

times in the House. What I can say

0:29:330:29:37

to him is my department is working

with the Home Office and Ministry of

0:29:370:29:41

Justice in preparing the call for

evidence, and once this is

0:29:410:29:44

published, he and all the members

will have an opportunity to set out

0:29:440:29:49

their views.

Last month, the Parliamentary group

0:29:490:29:54

on travellers met to discuss the

issue of unauthorised incumbents and

0:29:540:30:00

possible positive solutions. We

heard from the representative of the

0:30:000:30:04

National police chief's council that

the police do have adequate powers,

0:30:040:30:08

and unlawful chest pass was not the

answer and had not worked in

0:30:080:30:11

Ireland. -- trespass. Can we talk

about some of the positive solutions

0:30:110:30:18

that could work to address this

issue?

0:30:180:30:23

Of course, I will meet with the

all-party group. The whole point of

0:30:230:30:28

call to evidence, it will allow

everyone to feed in views, and that

0:30:280:30:31

is what we want to hear. Following

that, we will set out plans of how

0:30:310:30:35

to take it further.

Number eight, please, Mr Speaker.

0:30:350:30:40

Alok Sharma.

The government is

providing substantial support for

0:30:400:30:45

the building of social homes, £2

billion of funding, taking the

0:30:450:30:50

affordable homes programme to £9

million. -- £9 billion. We have

0:30:500:30:55

announced a £1 billion lift too.

The number of homes delivered the

0:30:550:31:02

social rent has fallen in 580 such

homes expected to be completed in

0:31:020:31:14

2016-17, compared to 40,000 in

2010-11. With virtually no support

0:31:140:31:20

in the budget for building new

social housing, and only 6 billion

0:31:200:31:24

of new money for housing altogether,

is this not a far cry from the 50

0:31:240:31:29

billion that the secretary himself

called for, and falls far short of

0:31:290:31:33

the houses we need in the country.

Absolutely hopeless. Shorter in

0:31:330:31:39

future. I am keen to encourage the

honourable lady, and a prodigious

0:31:390:31:42

attender, she needs to apply a

pencil.

0:31:420:31:47

I can tell the honourable lady that

since 2010, there have been 128,000

0:31:470:31:51

homes for social rent, which have

been built in the country, in

0:31:510:31:57

England, and 118,004 affordable

rent. She talks about the money

0:31:570:32:02

available for housing, I can

confirm, as my right honourable

0:32:020:32:05

friend, the Chancellor, said at the

budget, we are making at least £44

0:32:050:32:09

billion available in the next five

years.

0:32:090:32:13

The honourable lady is an

illustrious QC, I am sure she is

0:32:130:32:18

capable of asking an extremely pithy

question. Lucy Fraser.

East

0:32:180:32:23

Cambridgeshire has established five

community land trust. Does the

0:32:230:32:27

Minister agree that these are a

valuable way to ensure local people

0:32:270:32:30

have affordable homes locally?

Splendid. Textbook.

0:32:300:32:36

Mr Speaker, my honourable friend

makes an important point, and I

0:32:360:32:42

commend her for the work she is

doing to encourage community land

0:32:420:32:45

trust funds, additional funding for

this was allowed last week.

0:32:450:32:51

Question number nine, Mr Speaker.

0:32:510:33:02

Mr Speaker, since 2010, we have

delivered 357,000 affordable homes,

0:33:030:33:09

including 128,000 homes for social

rent. As I also noted in my earlier

0:33:090:33:13

answer, the government is providing

9 billion funding for the affordable

0:33:130:33:17

homes programme, £1 billion lift,

and rent the social landlords. This

0:33:170:33:21

will support the sector to build

more affordable homes, including

0:33:210:33:24

social homes.

Shelter has found that in the past

0:33:240:33:31

year, developers have used viability

assessment to wriggle out of

0:33:310:33:35

building more than 2500 affordable

homes to rent or buy, including 200

0:33:350:33:39

in Bristol. Can he take steps to

remove this loophole when he

0:33:390:33:44

rewrites the National planning

policy framework next year, to

0:33:440:33:47

remove the reference for a need for

a competitive return?

0:33:470:33:52

Mr Speaker, we of course consulted

in terms of local housing needs and

0:33:520:33:57

consultation, which closed on 9th of

November. One issue was viability

0:33:570:34:01

assessments, we will review what

comes forward. But we have set out

0:34:010:34:05

clearly that we want to see a

affordable homes built by

0:34:050:34:07

developers.

After 13 years of Labour

MPs in Gloucester, we are not a

0:34:070:34:12

single new housing unit was built.

We have now built some social

0:34:120:34:17

housing, but want to do much more.

Will buy honourable friend confirm

0:34:170:34:26

that there may be funding available

through the new national

0:34:260:34:29

productivity investment fund to help

bridge any potential funding gap

0:34:290:34:32

because of low values.

Mr Speaker, can I again commend my

0:34:320:34:39

honourable friend for the work he is

doing in his constituency to

0:34:390:34:42

encourage more building of homes and

also social homes. I am delighted at

0:34:420:34:47

the progress being made in terms of

the state generation, his

0:34:470:34:51

constituents leave £1.25 million of

funding. With regard to his

0:34:510:34:55

question, more detailed eligibility

criteria will be announced in due

0:34:550:34:59

course. Of course, I happy to meet

with him.

0:34:590:35:06

When will the Minister start to

understand that in order to tackle

0:35:060:35:10

the social housing crisis, the

government needs to abolish the

0:35:100:35:12

right to buy.

People have been able

to own homes, and that is incredibly

0:35:120:35:23

important. What I would say to the

honourable gentleman is that we are

0:35:230:35:26

making more money available for

affordable homes, but also £44

0:35:260:35:33

billion, at least £44 billion, over

the next five years, to build more

0:35:330:35:37

homes in this country. The reason we

have a housing crisis is come under

0:35:370:35:42

the previous government, not enough

homes were built.

0:35:420:35:47

If we are to meet the demand for

more affordable homes, there needs

0:35:470:35:51

to be a partnership between both the

private and public sectors. What

0:35:510:35:55

actions can the Minister take to

ensure local authorities work with

0:35:550:35:58

both those sectors to deliver the

homes we need?

Mr Speaker, we in the

0:35:580:36:06

budget, my honourable friend the

Chancellor set out planning reforms

0:36:060:36:09

we are looking at. That will impact

on local authorities bringing

0:36:090:36:13

forward more sites more quickly for

building. But of course, we have

0:36:130:36:17

also announced an uplift of up to £1

billion, which will make a

0:36:170:36:21

substantial difference.

Minister

Jones.

0:36:210:36:28

Victims fleeing abuse must be given

appropriate priority access to

0:36:280:36:32

social housing. We are consulting on

new guidance, which makes it clear

0:36:320:36:37

to local authorities, victims moving

on from refuges, should be given

0:36:370:36:41

appropriate parity, and any

residency test should not be

0:36:410:36:43

applied.

Women's aid are an organisation that

0:36:430:36:48

we all have a high regard of on both

sides of the House. They have stated

0:36:480:36:52

the government's new model will

close refuges, what assurance can

0:36:520:36:56

the Minister give to the House that

that won't be the case?

To reassure

0:36:560:37:00

my honourable friend, that will not

be the case. We will continue the

0:37:000:37:06

funding in exactly the same level as

is currently the case. A dedicated

0:37:060:37:10

grant will go to local authorities

that will be ring fenced and ring

0:37:100:37:14

fenced in the long term. And we will

also make sure it means that

0:37:140:37:19

vulnerable people will not need to

deal with at the payment of rent at

0:37:190:37:24

a very, very difficult time in their

lives.

0:37:240:37:27

The recent joint select committee 's

enquiry on supported housing,

0:37:270:37:32

included and recommended that the

government established a national

0:37:320:37:35

network of women's refuges, to avoid

a postcode lottery, and ensure even

0:37:350:37:40

coverage across the country. Can I

ask the Minister why the government

0:37:400:37:46

rejected that recommendation, and

what is he doing to ensure where

0:37:460:37:50

refuges have closed, they will

reopen again.

We do believe that a

0:37:500:37:55

locally led approach is the right

thing to do in this regard. But we

0:37:550:38:00

have confirmed before that we are

committed to reviewing under the

0:38:000:38:05

violence against women and girls

strategy, this policy, in 2018. We

0:38:050:38:10

are looking at all of the options,

and we haven't ruled out nationally

0:38:100:38:14

commissioning refuge beds and

refuges, if that is found to be a

0:38:140:38:19

better solution.

Nigel Mills.

Number

13.

Following the launch of our

0:38:190:38:28

industrial strategy, the government

is at the opening stages of

0:38:280:38:32

designing a devolution framework for

England, areas like Derbyshire and

0:38:320:38:37

the East Midlands should seek a

widely supported group of proposals.

0:38:370:38:42

After the failure of the earlier

devolution proposals, can the

0:38:420:38:47

Minister confirm he is still

interested in further proposals

0:38:470:38:55

coming in, and can he confirmed

there is now no requirement will be

0:38:550:39:01

elected mayor.

We are aware of the

Derby, Nottingham, City Council

0:39:010:39:07

metro proposals, we haven't received

a formal proposal. I can confirm the

0:39:070:39:11

door is open for devolution in this

area, and there is no requirement in

0:39:110:39:15

line with our manifesto the rural

areas to have a mayo.

0:39:150:39:21

Does the Minister condemn that?

Mr Speaker, I can't, it on a live

0:39:330:39:40

planning issue.

Number 14, please,

Mr Speaker.

Thank you, Mr Speaker,

0:39:400:39:50

local authorities in London have

estimated the business rate

0:39:500:39:54

potential will benefit them by 240

million. There will be no impact

0:39:540:39:59

from the pilot in other local

authority areas.

Ellen Goodman.

0:39:590:40:04

Could the Minister explain how it

can possibly be the case that

0:40:040:40:08

business rate in London raised 7.5

billion, and retention only gives

0:40:080:40:14

them 240 million. Surely, this is

swiping money from the rest of the

0:40:140:40:18

country, which needs it in order to

even up resources.

Mr Speaker, the

0:40:180:40:24

240 million is new money from

business growth, but let me share a

0:40:240:40:29

startling fact with the honourable

lady. 100% of local authorities who

0:40:290:40:35

will get the business rate

localisation pilot applied for it.

0:40:350:40:39

When she goes back up to her

constituency, she might ask her own

0:40:390:40:43

Labour-controlled council why they

couldn't be bothered.

Mr Speaker,

0:40:430:40:48

will the honourable gentleman passed

the message onto the Secretary of

0:40:480:40:52

State forcefully that many of us

applaud what he said in relation to

0:40:520:40:55

Donald Trump and the retweeting of

messages, but my difficult question

0:40:550:41:02

is, why doesn't he get on with the

job? He needs to make sure that the

0:41:020:41:07

regions of our country get a fair

share of the sources and stockpiling

0:41:070:41:11

money into London and the

south-east.

0:41:110:41:17

I note the Mayor of London said it

was the worst budget for London in

0:41:170:41:22

ten years but I'm not £1.8 billion,

it was the best budget for the north

0:41:220:41:28

of England ever. Question 15, Mr

Speaker. Decisions over who is

0:41:280:41:38

allocated properties are for local

authorities and landlords to take at

0:41:380:41:42

the local level but the statutory

guidance on social housing

0:41:420:41:46

allocations encourages councils to

give priority to those who need

0:41:460:41:50

ground floor accommodation including

disabled people.

The minister will

0:41:500:41:54

be aware several disabled people

were housed on the upper floor of

0:41:540:41:58

Grenfell Tower have the time of the

fire and one woman would certainly

0:41:580:42:03

have not survived had it not been

for the heroics of her son who

0:42:030:42:08

carried her to safety. I wonder if

the minister could assure the house

0:42:080:42:16

the Grenfell enquiry will consider

access and exit for disabled people

0:42:160:42:19

in tower blocks and indeed whether

he will say disabled and independent

0:42:190:42:26

organisations will have their say?

The Grenfell Tower inquiry is

0:42:260:42:31

independent and I will let the judge

take care of that but what I would

0:42:310:42:36

say is the government will publish a

social housing green paper next year

0:42:360:42:42

and conducting a tour of the country

to meet social housing tenants and

0:42:420:42:47

we will consider access to

accommodation for disabled people.

0:42:470:42:52

Question 16, Mr Speaker.

We are

working with 24 garden cities and

0:42:520:42:59

towns and villages to unlock

barriers and support them with

0:42:590:43:04

infrastructure needs. I am

announcing additional capacity

0:43:040:43:08

funding for 14 Garden villages

bringing the total funding to 90

0:43:080:43:14

million.

The Secretary of State will

be aware my local authority is

0:43:140:43:19

proposing three new garden

communities but significant

0:43:190:43:23

infrastructure is required. What

reassurance can he give them

0:43:230:43:26

investment will be coming?

My

honourable friend is right to

0:43:260:43:32

highlight the need for

infrastructure when it comes to

0:43:320:43:35

housing which is why I'm sure she

would welcome the increase in

0:43:350:43:38

funding in the budget and I am

launching a 20 Finlay -- £25 million

0:43:380:43:47

of funding and the creation of

locally led new development

0:43:470:43:50

corporations.

Will the Secretary of

State accept when new developments

0:43:500:43:56

build it is not in the interests of

householders they are leasehold

0:43:560:44:02

estates and will he reiterate his

statement he will not be building

0:44:020:44:06

any new leasehold homes and act for

those already being unfairly

0:44:060:44:11

treated?

She will know we have had a

consultation and we are responding

0:44:110:44:20

to it shortly but I have said before

I see no reason whatsoever why new

0:44:200:44:27

houses should be sold on leasehold.

Question number 20, Mr Speaker.

We

0:44:270:44:35

are spending over 1 billion up to

2020 implementing the most ambitious

0:44:350:44:42

legislative reform in decades and

establishing a homelessness and

0:44:420:44:46

rough sleeping task force.

Can I

thank the government for the work

0:44:460:44:52

taking to implement the homeless

reduction act and can I ask for an

0:44:520:44:56

update on the resources made

available to local councils so they

0:44:560:45:00

can help us achieve this.

I thank

her for what is a good question, we

0:45:000:45:08

are providing £72 million to local

authorities to deal with the new

0:45:080:45:14

burdens and in advance of the

implementation the first section of

0:45:140:45:19

funding goes out to councils

tomorrow and we will review the new

0:45:190:45:24

burdens funding within two years of

the implementation of the act.

Is

0:45:240:45:28

the minister aware of the work done

in Greater Manchester to eradicate

0:45:280:45:32

homelessness and does he agree with

the Mayor Andy Burnham the

0:45:320:45:36

government target of 2027 is too far

away for that problem to be

0:45:360:45:40

eradicated?

We want to eradicate

rough sleeping as soon as is

0:45:400:45:47

practical. To help Greater

Manchester we have provided funding

0:45:470:45:53

under the Housing first pilot

alongside the Liverpool city region

0:45:530:45:56

and West Midlands.

Topical

questions.

Number one, Mr Speaker.

0:45:560:46:04

Today marks the start of UK charity

week in which we read double our

0:46:040:46:11

commitment to end rough sleeping and

it is the 62nd birthday of the

0:46:110:46:16

Chancellor who delivered a budget to

help get Britain building and on the

0:46:160:46:22

occasion of the Observer's 226th

birthday we are continuing our

0:46:220:46:29

crackdown on local authorities who

think it is their job to publish

0:46:290:46:31

weekly newspapers.

The Dr Leah spike

schemes have been established

0:46:310:46:39

recently and some work well and some

less so but councils are left

0:46:390:46:44

struggling with outdated legislation

to deal with these -- dockless bike

0:46:440:46:52

schemes.

The honourable gentleman

raises an important issue. It is

0:46:520:46:57

important to encourage better ways

to travel, giving more

0:46:570:47:01

opportunities, and I am happy to

discuss what ideas he has.

In Corby

0:47:010:47:09

we have a charitable organisation

who do so much brilliant work to

0:47:090:47:12

help support homeless people. What

steps are his department taking to

0:47:120:47:19

support these sorts of organisations

that two important work?

I pay

0:47:190:47:26

tribute to all involved in charity

such as Night-light. Normal. -- part

0:47:260:47:36

of the package is to provide

services like the one run in Corby

0:47:360:47:40

that does a lot to improve the lives

of vulnerable people.

Several

0:47:400:47:49

national children's charities and

the Local Government Association

0:47:490:47:53

wrote to the Secretary of State

ahead of the budget to warn that

0:47:530:47:58

funding for children's services is

not sustainable and is insufficient

0:47:580:48:02

and instead of creeping to the

Chancellor with birthday wishes,

0:48:020:48:06

what did the Secretary of State do

to lobby the Chancellor to provide

0:48:060:48:13

the £2 billion councils need to

safeguard and look after Children In

0:48:130:48:16

Need?

0:48:160:48:18

Where he is right is in highlighting

the pressure on children's services

0:48:220:48:28

for many local authorities and that

is why we are listening carefully to

0:48:280:48:32

what local authorities have to say

and I am working with the Education

0:48:320:48:38

Secretary to ensure adequate

resources are provided. Many local

0:48:380:48:42

authorities are doing well, some

have challengers. He will not

0:48:420:48:46

shortly there will be the local

government finance settlement and he

0:48:460:48:50

can look to see what happens as we

deal with that.

He does not just

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need to listen, he needs to act and

perhaps read our health check report

0:48:560:49:03

that highlights children's services

they said £2 billion funding gap

0:49:030:49:09

now. Early intervention has been

cut. Sure Start centres have closed,

0:49:090:49:14

child protection cases have doubled,

more children need taking into care,

0:49:140:49:20

more families need specialist help.

Why will he not stand up for our

0:49:200:49:26

children's services? Tell the

Chancellor now is not the time to

0:49:260:49:32

cut 4.75 billion from the bank levy.

It is time to put our children

0:49:320:49:36

first.

Time and again the honourable

gentleman stands at the despatch box

0:49:360:49:45

asking for billions more spending.

He has no idea how the funds are

0:49:450:49:50

raised and he would do better to

support measures we are taking to

0:49:500:49:53

keep the economy strong to pay for

the services.

The move from RBI to

0:49:530:50:02

CPI to calculate business rates is

reducing bills for many small

0:50:020:50:06

businesses put 62 councils are yet

to move to CPI despite the funding

0:50:060:50:13

in the budget, what is the

government doing to make sure all

0:50:130:50:17

councils go to CPI to calculate

business rates?

The majority of

0:50:170:50:22

local authorities have rebuilt

businesses but it is unacceptable

0:50:220:50:28

some councils have. This is a

package of support for businesses

0:50:280:50:33

that councils have been given by

government, so I urge all councils

0:50:330:50:37

that have not done the right thing

to do so urgently.

Given England's

0:50:370:50:44

private rented sector has doubled,

what plans do ministers have to

0:50:440:50:48

emulate Scotland's new policy where

tenants have more security of tenure

0:50:480:50:56

and one rent increase per year?

I

I'm sure he noted the Chancellor set

0:50:560:51:07

out the plans to consult on long

attendances in the private rental

0:51:070:51:11

sector.

That is what we will be

doing. Positivity of small

0:51:110:51:17

businesses in bed with last Saturday

was tinged with frustration over the

0:51:170:51:21

borough council's decision to

increase car parking charges which

0:51:210:51:28

has reduced footfall. Would he

agreed councils should be more

0:51:280:51:33

focused on supporting town centres,

not driving shoppers away?

It is a

0:51:330:51:39

Labour council only that could put

up parking charges and lose money at

0:51:390:51:43

the same time and what it shows to

the people who live in Nuneaton and

0:51:430:51:49

Bedworth, that putting into action

this Marxist twaddle it proves under

0:51:490:51:57

the Labour it is the many who pay

for the dogma of the few.

A music

0:51:570:52:11

venue in Bristol has closed because

of complaints. Can he say how

0:52:110:52:17

discussions are going with the

secretary so that small music venues

0:52:170:52:22

can stand up to developers?

I would

happily meet with the honourable

0:52:220:52:30

lady to discuss her interesting

idea.

I am sure the Secretary of

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State will have seen the report from

the British Chambers of Commerce

0:52:360:52:40

concluding that for businesses to

grow and compete it is vital local

0:52:400:52:45

authorities provide an adequate

supply of building land and consent

0:52:450:52:49

for new commercial buildings. I know

business rate retention he is

0:52:490:52:55

considering but can proactive

councils like rugby continue to

0:52:550:52:58

receive incentives to grow local

economies?

The government is

0:52:580:53:04

committed to further business rate

retention and we have relaunched the

0:53:040:53:09

working group to take this forward.

It is important that any future

0:53:090:53:14

reform of the system has a balance

between beating need and having an

0:53:140:53:18

incentive for areas to grow.

Bus

users in the potteries have been hit

0:53:180:53:25

by a double whammy of fare increases

and journey cuts. While constituents

0:53:250:53:30

might appreciate the arrow near of

two lots of bad bus news arriving at

0:53:300:53:35

once they do not the impact on their

jobs. Many cuts could be avoided if

0:53:350:53:42

Stoke-on-Trent City Council properly

subsidised transport. What is he

0:53:420:53:47

doing to make sure we have a bus

system fit for purpose in the

0:53:470:53:50

potteries?

This government has done

much to improve bus facilities,

0:53:500:53:58

especially with the Metro areas

where we have extended bus

0:53:580:54:02

franchises. If she has issues, I

would be happy to take and pass them

0:54:020:54:08

onto my right honourable friend.

The

affordability of a house is not just

0:54:080:54:14

what it costs to buy or rent but

what it costs to live in. Can I

0:54:140:54:20

encourage him to set the highest

energy efficiency standards possible

0:54:200:54:25

so these new houses can be cheaper

to own and operate?

Energy

0:54:250:54:32

efficiency as a result of the

policies have improved and it is

0:54:320:54:39

several hundred pounds cheaper in

terms of fuel costs than in 2010.

0:54:390:54:47

Councils in the north-east such as

Gateshead have seen central

0:54:470:54:52

government grant cut by 50%. Forcing

them to axe 4000 good jobs. The

0:54:520:54:58

government's so-called jobs bonanza

in the north through the Northern

0:54:580:55:05

Powerhouse has created jobs but two

out of every three created are on

0:55:050:55:10

temporary, insecure and zero-hour

contracts. Is this how the Northern

0:55:100:55:14

Powerhouse economy will work?

I

thought the honourable gentleman

0:55:140:55:20

would welcome that in his own

constituency the claimant count has

0:55:200:55:26

fallen by 42% since 2010. If he

really wanted to champion Gateshead

0:55:260:55:33

Tom and more funding, perhaps he can

ask them why they rejected the

0:55:330:55:39

mayoral devolution idea.

The

abolition of stamp duty for most

0:55:390:55:45

first-time buyers, families saving

on average over £3000. Can he share

0:55:450:55:50

what else is being done to help

family secured their first home?

I

0:55:500:55:57

am delighted my honourable friend

has highlighted the stamp duty cart

0:55:570:56:01

but we know that for a number of

years we have been running Help To

0:56:010:56:05

Buy scheme which has helped 135,000

households and the extra funding

0:56:050:56:11

committed will help another 35,000

households.

0:56:110:56:16

I listen to the response to my

honourable friend the Denton and

0:56:170:56:20

Reddish and hope there was no

acknowledgement for removing the

0:56:200:56:30

weight, and their ability to access

a wide range of services. Why

0:56:300:56:35

doesn't be Secretary of State care?

Inode the honourable lady cares

0:56:350:56:43

about this issue, but she should

recognise that many members on all

0:56:430:56:46

sides of the House care about this,

and this is why the government has

0:56:460:56:50

made sure that when it comes to

funding, the children's mental

0:56:500:56:53

health services through local

authorities, £1.4 million over this

0:56:530:56:59

spending period, the highest ever,

and also the Green paper that is

0:56:590:57:02

going to take place that will be

published by my right honourable

0:57:020:57:05

friend, the Health Secretary, will

look at the health issues.

0:57:050:57:11

The Secretary of State's comment

early in the session about funding

0:57:110:57:14

to support the delivery, can he

confirmed this will include my

0:57:140:57:21

constituency, can we make sure these

homes are affordable and accessible

0:57:210:57:28

to people.

Let me thank my

honourable friend for his support,

0:57:280:57:37

the announcement will be made later

today. I will look carefully at

0:57:370:57:41

making sure that it is clear about

those ones we are supporting. There

0:57:410:57:48

are many other actions to take in

due course as set out by the

0:57:480:57:51

Chancellor in the budget to support

villages and towns.

0:57:510:57:56

The Minister said earlier that there

would be a review, I think he said

0:57:560:58:01

this, of the viability assessment

under the framework. Can he admit

0:58:010:58:07

there is a problem that the

assessments are abused by developers

0:58:070:58:10

to stop local authorities developing

affordable homes?

0:58:100:58:18

Just in terms of London, it is worth

pointing out that we have made £3.15

0:58:180:58:23

billion already available for

affordable housing, which has been

0:58:230:58:26

welcomed by the Mayor of London. It

suggests he should start and get

0:58:260:58:30

building. We have had a consultation

to reflect on it, and have come

0:58:300:58:35

forward with proposals.

Wendy

Morton.

0:58:350:58:38

In his response to an earlier

question, the Minister made

0:58:380:58:42

reference to a call for evidence

with regard to an authorised

0:58:420:58:46

traveller in campus, can he

confirmed that local residents will

0:58:460:58:49

also be able to have the opportunity

to feed into that?

0:58:490:58:53

Mr Speaker, I can confirm to my

honourable friend that everyone will

0:58:530:58:56

have an opportunity to give their

views as part of that call for

0:58:560:58:59

evidence.

Diana Johnson.

The northern Powerhouse Minister

0:58:590:59:08

mentioned HS2 as being the best

transport investment for the North,

0:59:080:59:12

but surely the best transport

investment for the North would be

0:59:120:59:15

Crossrail for the North, linking the

great cities of the North with

0:59:150:59:18

high-speed rail.

Improving the East West connectivity

0:59:180:59:25

between Liverpool and Hull is one of

the issues we have asked transport

0:59:250:59:29

for the North, the first national

statutory body, to look at it. We

0:59:290:59:40

have had £360 million to ensure HS2

is future proofed against HS three.

0:59:400:59:47

Could the Minister update the House

as to what assessment he has made of

0:59:470:59:51

whether owners of buildings with

cladding that may not meet building

0:59:510:59:56

regulations have been meeting their

responsibilities, or whether they

0:59:560:59:58

have been seeking to pass the costs

for this essential work onto

0:59:581:00:01

leaseholders.

Can I thank my

honourable friend for that question.

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He will know, when it comes to local

authorities and housing associations

1:00:071:00:11

that they have made clear they are

not passing on the costs, which is

1:00:111:00:15

the right approach. The public

sector landlords, I would like them

1:00:151:00:20

to follow the lead of the social

sector and not pass on costs. I want

1:00:201:00:24

to make sure leaseholders have more

information, which is why I am today

1:00:241:00:28

increasing funding.

We will get the result of Yorkshire

1:00:281:00:36

devolution on the 21st December.

Does the Minister agree with me that

1:00:361:00:40

whatever the result, politicians,

national and local, have a

1:00:401:00:43

responsibility to get around the

table and work together.

1:00:431:00:48

As the season of goodwill and peace

to all men approaches, I hope that

1:00:481:00:55

across Yorkshire, a compromise will

be found. But just to restate our

1:00:551:00:59

position, the government remains

committed to the South Yorkshire

1:00:591:01:02

City deal proceeding.

Order. Two

members are catching my eye that

1:01:021:01:08

have not contributed. I will call

each of them, but I will say, their

1:01:081:01:11

questions must be extremely brief, a

short sentence. If you can't do it

1:01:111:01:16

that way, I don't want to be unkind,

but don't bother. Vera Hobhouse.

1:01:161:01:25

Thank you Mr Speaker. Last month,

the Secretary of State did not call

1:01:251:01:29

planning application on Foxhill,

where we are losing homes for social

1:01:291:01:32

rent. We were told the devil and is

not in line with government policy.

1:01:321:01:37

Can he confirmed that losing social

homes for rent is the government

1:01:371:01:41

policy.

No.

Thank you. Good example.

Thank

1:01:411:01:53

you to the Housing Minister for

coming to Taunton Deane last week

1:01:531:01:56

where he met protest is to see how

important the road through the

1:01:561:02:00

development was, is this government

issuing the right policy in putting

1:02:001:02:05

more money into the housing

infrastructure fund, so that we can

1:02:051:02:09

guarantee roads that we need to make

our houses work?

Absolutely, Mr

1:02:091:02:14

Speaker. I can confirm, as a result

of the budget, there is £5 billion

1:02:141:02:19

in the housing infrastructure fund,

precisely what I know many

1:02:191:02:22

colleagues want to see in terms of

spending on infrastructure.

Order.

1:02:221:02:26

Before we move on, I have been

notified of a number of intended

1:02:261:02:30

points of order springing directly

out of question Time. Let me say for

1:02:301:02:36

the record, on this occasion, I will

take members on trust, and take

1:02:361:02:42

those point of order now. But if it

becomes apparent to me that they are

1:02:421:02:46

really just a way of trying to

continue question Time, and they are

1:02:461:02:52

too long, when I have specifically

said they must be short, I will cut

1:02:521:02:56

them off, and the process of taking

any points... Order. Taking point of

1:02:561:03:02

order at this time will be

discontinued, so they will be

1:03:021:03:06

responsible. I look to be Shadow

Secretary of State to set a good

1:03:061:03:11

example, a proper point of order,

done briefly, for which, read a

1:03:111:03:16

sentence.

Can you offer any guidance to this

1:03:161:03:20

House on your expectations on the

conventions, we have heard after an

1:03:201:03:23

hour of question Time, in an oft

home way, in answer to one of his

1:03:231:03:30

friends who has left the chamber,

later this afternoon, he will make a

1:03:301:03:32

statement about the backing the

government will give to garden

1:03:321:03:37

villages and extensions. We should

have expected a written statement

1:03:371:03:40

this morning, or some reference

during the body of the questions

1:03:401:03:44

this afternoon so the House could

have a chance to ask him about it.

1:03:441:03:50

My understanding is that a written

missed in the -- ministerial

1:03:501:03:58

question, but a simple model of the

head, in fact two nods of the head,

1:03:581:04:04

in unison, by the Secretary of State

and the housing minister would

1:04:041:04:07

suggest that is the crux of the

matter. It would be preferable if

1:04:071:04:14

these announcements are intended, if

they could be some way worked into

1:04:141:04:18

question Time, not by elongated

replies, but by responding at

1:04:181:04:21

topical is. What has happened is

arguably irritating to colleague,

1:04:211:04:27

but not demonstrably disorderly. We

will leave it there Finau. The right

1:04:271:04:32

honourable gentleman has made his

point. I don't know whether the nods

1:04:321:04:38

will appear in graphic images, but

in reference to the nods, it will

1:04:381:04:42

appear. Point of order.

In answer to

my honourable friend from Warrington

1:04:421:04:53

and North about the Mersey tolls,

the members said they had spoken to

1:04:531:04:58

the Metro mayor, I have been in

touch with them in Liverpool, and he

1:04:581:05:04

said he said no such thing. I would

ask if the Minister would like to

1:05:041:05:08

correct the record and withdraw his

remarks.

The answer to that, and I'm

1:05:081:05:16

grateful, what I would say in

response is that it is for every

1:05:161:05:21

member, for each and every member,

be that member a front bench or

1:05:211:05:26

backbencher, to be responsible...

Order. To be responsible for the

1:05:261:05:34

Barraza of what is said in this

place. If a correction is required,

1:05:341:05:41

better sooner rather than later, and

if the honourable gentleman judges

1:05:411:05:45

that no correction is required, that

is his prerogative. -- voracity.

No

1:05:451:05:51

correction is required Mr Speaker, I

discussed it as we walked across the

1:05:511:05:57

bridge under its construction.

Perhaps he will remember with the

1:05:571:06:00

added detail.

In that case, we will

leave it there. It was right that it

1:06:001:06:06

was aired, and I am grateful to the

Minister for his response, I cannot

1:06:061:06:11

be expected to adjudicate between

these competing witness accounts. We

1:06:111:06:15

will leave it there for now. We are

about to come to the member of

1:06:151:06:21

Twickenham and his urgent question.

Let me further just say to the House

1:06:211:06:25

that this is not the occasion for a

general exchange about social

1:06:251:06:30

mobility or the lack of it, this is

a question, laser like focused, on

1:06:301:06:39

the resignation of the board for the

commission and will be treated by

1:06:391:06:45

the chair as such. I wanted to run

for no longer than half an hour, not

1:06:451:06:50

because it isn't important, it is

extremely important, but so is the

1:06:501:06:54

eight hours of protected business

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