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Questions to the Secretary of State
for Justice. Mr Damien Moore. I'll | 0:00:20 | 0:00:29 | |
take questions one and 17 together.
The government has made it a top | 0:00:29 | 0:00:34 | |
priority to make it a smooth legal
transmission. Could I ask what steps | 0:00:34 | 0:00:47 | |
will his department take to ensure a
review and possible reversal of ECJ | 0:00:47 | 0:00:53 | |
rulings that affected our citizens
once we have left the EU? We are | 0:00:53 | 0:00:59 | |
taking back control over our laws,
that's what the EU withdrawal bill | 0:00:59 | 0:01:03 | |
does. The Supreme Court should have
the last word on the law of the land | 0:01:03 | 0:01:10 | |
and from that point we can retain,
revise and repeal any pieces of law | 0:01:10 | 0:01:15 | |
as we see fit in the national
interest. The Minister may have seen | 0:01:15 | 0:01:20 | |
the city UK report that underlined
the importance of the legal sectors. | 0:01:20 | 0:01:31 | |
Could they answered the principal
concerns over whether contracts can | 0:01:31 | 0:01:36 | |
continue to be enforced and
respected across the EU as we leave. | 0:01:36 | 0:01:42 | |
We have made clear in our position
paper that we want to make sure we | 0:01:42 | 0:01:47 | |
maintain that win- win position that
support businesses and individuals | 0:01:47 | 0:01:56 | |
on all sides. With the minister get
out and meet more people. I've been | 0:01:56 | 0:02:07 | |
talking to judges, barristers,
campaigners, they all are terrified | 0:02:07 | 0:02:09 | |
about what is going to happen if we
leave the European union to our | 0:02:09 | 0:02:15 | |
justice system. Who is he talking to
and why doesn't he broaden his | 0:02:15 | 0:02:19 | |
circle? Can I suggest that he
doesn't engage in that kind of | 0:02:19 | 0:02:25 | |
scaremongering. I have been talking
to practices, judiciary, and through | 0:02:25 | 0:02:34 | |
the withdrawal bill, I will make
sure we have a smooth legal | 0:02:34 | 0:02:36 | |
transition. Will the Minister
confirm to the house that it is his | 0:02:36 | 0:02:44 | |
policy that the European Court of
Human Rights will have jurisdiction | 0:02:44 | 0:02:47 | |
over Britain after we leave the EU?
The honourable member will no | 0:02:47 | 0:02:52 | |
because it has been in our manifesto
we have no plans to withdraw. With | 0:02:52 | 0:02:59 | |
the Minister agree with me that we
have a very effectively consistent | 0:02:59 | 0:03:04 | |
before we joined the EU and we will
have one for many years after we | 0:03:04 | 0:03:07 | |
leave. My honourable friend is
right. I do take very seriously the | 0:03:07 | 0:03:13 | |
concerns of those who think we need
to mitigate the risk, that's what | 0:03:13 | 0:03:17 | |
the negotiations and the withdrawal
Bill will do. We should grasp the | 0:03:17 | 0:03:29 | |
opportunities as well as managing
the risks. Last month, just two | 0:03:29 | 0:03:37 | |
weeks ago, well this house was
debating the EU withdrawal Bill, the | 0:03:37 | 0:03:42 | |
Prime Minister's spokesman said that
they expect the European court's | 0:03:42 | 0:03:54 | |
role to remain unchanged during the
process. Is that mean that many | 0:03:54 | 0:04:05 | |
parts of the withdrawal at will not
be brought into force until after | 0:04:05 | 0:04:12 | |
the intermediary period. She will
know from committee stage debates we | 0:04:12 | 0:04:15 | |
have made it clear that we're not
going to pre-empt or prejudge the | 0:04:15 | 0:04:20 | |
outcome of the negotiation on eve of
the withdrawal Bill or the | 0:04:20 | 0:04:24 | |
fermentation period. Last week Sky
News reported that after Brexit, the | 0:04:24 | 0:04:30 | |
government wishes to stay in the EU
safety body and accept that this | 0:04:30 | 0:04:37 | |
will mean remaining under the
jurisdiction of the EU court of | 0:04:37 | 0:04:42 | |
justice, the ultimate arbiter of
those rulings. Will the Minister | 0:04:42 | 0:04:46 | |
confirm that the Prime Minister's
red line that there is no European | 0:04:46 | 0:04:52 | |
Court of Justice jurisdiction is
untenable. The honourable lady is | 0:04:52 | 0:05:02 | |
relying on second-hand reports. We
are not going to pre-empt the | 0:05:02 | 0:05:07 | |
negotiations and I hope she will
support is in getting the very best | 0:05:07 | 0:05:09 | |
deal. The honourable member for
Clacton has an exactly similar | 0:05:09 | 0:05:15 | |
question. He wasn't standing so I
didn't call him. Can the Minister | 0:05:15 | 0:05:27 | |
confirm that elements of civil and
criminal law go back to Magna Carta | 0:05:27 | 0:05:32 | |
in 1215 and earlier and our legal
system is is far more long as | 0:05:32 | 0:05:37 | |
established than any EU legal system
and we have one of the most | 0:05:37 | 0:05:42 | |
respected legal systems in the world
and regs it holds no fear as far as | 0:05:42 | 0:05:47 | |
future laws are concerned. We have
actually got rather different system | 0:05:47 | 0:05:53 | |
through our common law system and we
should have the courage of our | 0:05:53 | 0:05:58 | |
convictions and courage in our
democracy and who want to see the UK | 0:05:58 | 0:06:02 | |
Supreme Court have the last word on
the laws of the land. Question | 0:06:02 | 0:06:06 | |
number two please. The government
has published a post-legislative | 0:06:06 | 0:06:16 | |
memorandum and we have launched a
review of the act which will be | 0:06:16 | 0:06:20 | |
thorough and will report by the
summer recess. Recently I visited | 0:06:20 | 0:06:26 | |
whole chamber of, is and a solicitor
there was explaining how the cuts in | 0:06:26 | 0:06:31 | |
legal aid actually costed the court
so much more money because in hole | 0:06:31 | 0:06:35 | |
so many people are trying to
represent themselves. The president | 0:06:35 | 0:06:39 | |
of the Supreme Court said that the
legal aid reforms are false economy. | 0:06:39 | 0:06:44 | |
Does the Minister agree that
restoring early legal advice would | 0:06:44 | 0:06:48 | |
not only help solve legal problems
but save taxpayers money? I | 0:06:48 | 0:06:52 | |
understand the point the honourable
lady is try to make in a | 0:06:52 | 0:06:56 | |
constructive way. I'm not sure that
the evidence is there to back up the | 0:06:56 | 0:06:59 | |
assertion she has made. We have made
available a wide range of legal | 0:06:59 | 0:07:07 | |
help, for example in family
situations, that involves practical | 0:07:07 | 0:07:13 | |
support and telephone helplines.
There is also online tools to make | 0:07:13 | 0:07:17 | |
clear when legal aid is available.
There are other sources of legal | 0:07:17 | 0:07:21 | |
advice available to them as well.
When changes to legal aid in family | 0:07:21 | 0:07:26 | |
matters were made it was anticipated
that they want be a considerable | 0:07:26 | 0:07:34 | |
growth in mediation, in fact, it has
dropped considerably. That is | 0:07:34 | 0:07:39 | |
because early legal advice is a
gateway into mediation and reduces | 0:07:39 | 0:07:44 | |
the burden of litigation in the
courts. Isn't it time to look at | 0:07:44 | 0:07:48 | |
that again? We need to be
encouraging more alternative dispute | 0:07:48 | 0:07:53 | |
resolution and there is an agreement
that we want to incentivise cases to | 0:07:53 | 0:07:56 | |
be settled not through the courts
because of the costs and the trauma | 0:07:56 | 0:08:00 | |
for those involved. I don't think
the answer is a exclusively going to | 0:08:00 | 0:08:06 | |
be around money. It is also going to
be the positive incentives we put in | 0:08:06 | 0:08:10 | |
place. Providing early legal help in
family court cases would cost less | 0:08:10 | 0:08:16 | |
than £14 million because as the
honourable gentleman has said many | 0:08:16 | 0:08:22 | |
cases would be resolved before
getting to court. Why does the | 0:08:22 | 0:08:26 | |
Minister continue to insist that
this is not a cost-effective way of | 0:08:26 | 0:08:30 | |
dealing with cases? Does he actually
know how many cases are proceeding | 0:08:30 | 0:08:36 | |
with litigants in person and how
much it is costing the court system? | 0:08:36 | 0:08:41 | |
There is a range of support as I've
already detailed, £100 million of | 0:08:41 | 0:08:46 | |
support in terms of early legal help
that can be online telephones and | 0:08:46 | 0:08:52 | |
representation, in terms of in
purpose. There is a range of support | 0:08:52 | 0:09:03 | |
available. We can look at that in
the review. | 0:09:03 | 0:09:19 |