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Welcome to live coverage of the

House of Commons. Peter Grant has

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table done a depression on the

government get an decision not to

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challenge a ruling from the High

Court that changes to personal

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independence payments for people

with mental health conditions could

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not be justified. Then the new

digital, culture, media and sport

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Secretary, Mike Hancock will update

the House on Fox's takeover of sky.

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It would give the Murdoch family too

much control over news organisations

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in the UK. The main business will be

the remaining stages of the nuclear

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safeguards built. It establishes a

safeguards regime as the UK believes

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the European atomic energy

committee. MPs will debate

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amendments to the telecommunications

restructure bill. Dujon me had 11

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Koto for a round-up but first

questions to the Justice Secretary.

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The Secretary of State for Justice.

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With your promotion, I'd like to

read questions one, four and 13. The

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government has made it a priority to

ensure there is a smooth legal

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transition in our negotiations with

the EU or our domestic implementing

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legislation. Scotland and Northern

Ireland have distinct legal systems

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and my department has been working

closely with the devolved

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administrations, looking at the ways

that are legal in justice system are

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affected by the EU exit. The

government declared a good deal for

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the EU is one that works for all

parts of

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I welcome the Secretary of State's

position. The UK Government have

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been dismissed as unsatisfactory due

to the lack of realism and detail.

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How does the Secretary of State in

ten to respond to that by producing

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more realistic and detailed

proposals.

But a volcanic than the

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honourable gentleman for his words

and is pleasing to know wherever I

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go, he seems to follow me around. In

terms of his question, we are

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ambitious in this area and we want

to get the best deal. I appreciate

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the course of negotiations, our

interlocutors might express an

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adverse opinion but we will continue

to engage and continue to be

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ambitious.

Scotland's distinct and

independent legal system, and

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Scotland there is direct cooperation

between Scottish law enforcement

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agencies and their European

counterparts. Can the Minister

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detail what consultation his

department are having with the

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Scottish Government and Scottish law

officers in this regard?

We continue

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to engage with the Scottish

Government across-the-board,

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including this particular

implementation matter.

I wonder if

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the Minister could update the House

on plans for foreign criminals in UK

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prisons and if we can send these

people back to their country of

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origin rather than the taxpayer

footing the bill? Since 2010 we have

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removed more than 40,000 for a

National offenders from our prisons.

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Immigration removal centres and the

community, a range of removal

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mechanisms exist which are unable

for offenders to return to their

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home countries. The government is

now considering future criminal

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justice arrangements with the

European Union with him carrying on

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our close working relationships.

The

Secretary of State will be aware

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that in relation to family law,

mutual and reciprocal arrangements

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exist between the EU countries to

ensure their judgments are

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recognised. Can he say how after the

exit from the European Union, he

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envisages how the interests of

children are protected when we

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cannot rely on the mutual

arrangements?

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What I would say is that she raises

a good point and it's important that

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we do have satisfactory arrangements

with the European Union in this and

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indeed other matters. It is right

that we seek to be ambitious so that

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the interests of children are put at

the heart of what we do here.

May I

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welcome my right honourable friend's

posting and delighted to see a

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lawyer and I hope he has a lengthy

tenure, if not quite as long as the

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last boy from Ipswich and a better

ending as well. A lot of the debate

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has concentrated around criminal

justice cooperation matters. In his

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speech once warning, the Lord

Chancellor referred to the importers

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of the UK as a jurisdiction of

choice in civil and commercial

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litigation. Will he make sure that

aspect is not lost on our

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negotiations, in particular the

importance for the UK's financial

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service sector.

Can I thank my

honourable friend given that the

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last Lord Chancellor was Cardinal

Wolsey, given that he ran into some

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difficulties with negotiations with

the powerful European supranational

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body, I should tread carefully here.

I think it is important that in

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terms of our negotiations we try to

provide that legal certainty as best

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as we can.

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May I welcome the new Secretary of

State for Justice to his place. On

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the issue of the Scottish legal

system, Sir David Edward, our

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distinguished former judge both in

Scotland and that the courts of

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justice, he said that so far, the

unity government has overlooked the

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significance of the separate

Scottish legal system, the Scottish

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judicial system and the Scottish

prosecution system in relation to

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justice and home affairs issues in

the negotiations with the EU. Will

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the new Secretary of State undertake

to meet with me so we can discuss

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and these oversights might be

rectified in future?

I'm not sure I

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would accept her characterisation of

the position as one of oversight and

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I would make it clear in the very

first answer I gave in this role in

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these questions, I stated I fully

appreciate that Scotland has a

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distinct legal system but I would be

delighted to discuss this matter

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with her further.

I'm grateful to

the Secretary of State for agreeing

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to meet with me but this is not my

characterisation, is the

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characterisation of a senior judge,

both of the Scottish courts and the

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Court of Justice and he went on to

describe the UK Government's paper

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on enforcement and dispute

resolution as, and I caught, an

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undergraduate essay which would have

failed. He says those writing these

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papers are not aware of the problems

posed the separate source Scottish

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legal system and don't want to hear

from the experts who have offered to

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help. This is a serious problem.

Will the Secretary of State, in his

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new role, Undertaker listen to those

who know about the Scottish legal

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system and to take on board their

concerns in his negotiations on this

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matter?

I want to ensure that we end

up with a position that's good for

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the legal system, good for legal

services in every part of the United

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Kingdom, that set includes Scotland

and I will want to engage with

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representations and representatives

from all parts of the United Kingdom

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to ensure we get the best possible

deal.

Can we do what we cannot do

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now? If an EU National is found

guilty of an imprisonable offence,

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they are deported to serve that

sentence in prison their own country

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and banned from ever returning?

As I

said to our honourable friend, the

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member for Mansfield, we are

considering future criminal justice

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arrangements with the European

Union, we do want close working

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relationships with them but we also

need to work together to ensure that

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foreign national offenders can be

removed when possible.

I will begin

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by paying tribute to my honourable

friend for the work that he has done

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on the Homelessness Reduction Act.

With the agreement of colleagues

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from the housing communities and

local government, it should come

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into operation in April. It is

absolutely vital that every prisoner

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leaving custody as a home to go to.

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I think my honourable friend and

welcomed into his new position as he

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quite rightly says, it is in our

best interests that former offenders

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leaving prison do not reoffend and

one of the key issues is to ensure

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that present governors on other

commitments under the Homelessness

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Reduction Act to make sure people

are prepared for life outside

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prison. What action will you take to

make sure that prison governors

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train offenders that are due to

leave prison so they do not

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reoffend.

There are two key things

to do. One is to empower the

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governors to give them the real

flexibility and control over their

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education budgets and the career

advice but also, as the honourable

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member suggested, connect back to

housing. That's an obligation under

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the anguish my honourable friend has

championed and getting that

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coordination will be essential.

Why

has the number of women homeless on

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release doubled in only a year? Is

this more evidence of the government

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failing prisoners and probation

policies?

There are a number of

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very, those issues ahead of us but

we agree this is unacceptable and

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shocking and we have to work much

more closely with the Ministry of

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Housing and local authorities and

the prisoners to ensure we cut these

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numbers.

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The provision of legal aid to

support the most vulnerable is a

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very important part of our justice

system. We spent £1.6 billion a year

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on legal aid, which is over a fifth

of the Ministry of Justice's budget.

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In terms of accessing legal aid, an

online tool to help people check

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their entitlement to legal aid.

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I welcome that answer but people in

West Cornwall in my constituency

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find it hard to access the legal aid

they are entitled to. There is just

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one office that holds a legal aid

contract and the only deal with

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family law. Will the Department

accept changes in legal aid funding

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to local people and consider message

measures to fix this. The legal aid

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agency regularly refuse the capacity

of legal aid to cope with the demand

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for legal aid and it takes action

for a regional shortfalls develop.

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Those in need of urgent advice in

Cornwall and elsewhere can use this

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civil legal aid specialist telephone

service.

In autumn 2017, the legal

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aid agency began a new tendering

service nationally for new civil

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contracts to start in autumn 2018.

In my constituency, I receive

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hundreds of the Muslim people facing

eviction living in overcrowded

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conditions are renting properties

that are in dire need of repair.

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Does the Minister agree that early

legal advice and housing matters

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needs to be urgently restored and it

is unacceptable that large parts of

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the country have no housing legal

aid providers at all.

There is a

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review in relation to legal aid,

which the previous Lord Chancellor

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committed to later on this year,

which I also commit to reviewing

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later on this year.

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Cheers by legally the housing is

always available through a telephone

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in Gateway. That can always be

accessed.

Judicial reviews are key

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tools for ordinary people to

challenge an unjust and unlawful

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division by the state and other

public bodies. Deep cuts for legal

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aid have undermined his ability.

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As I have already mentioned, there

is a review in relation to legal

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aid, which is taking place later on

this year. As a matter of principle,

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legal aid is available for judicial

review in certain circumstances, and

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when certain conditions are met.

The

findings in the recent inspection,

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repeated that the Security centre

conditions are completely

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unacceptable, and we take urgent

action to address the concerns

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raised by Ofsted. There has been

further investigation to investigate

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Ofsted's findings.

The young people

held in the centre often have very

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complex and challenging needs. That

require considerable intervention to

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help rehabilitation. When can we

have to see some tangible

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improvement in intervention that

they received?

My honourable friend

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is spot on. These are vulnerable

children, and they require the very

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best care, particularly around their

mental health. In negotiations with

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the main contractor, I'm roll out

absolutely nothing, if those

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contract obligations are not being

met.

The supplementary questions

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need to be focused specifically on

the training centre in Milton

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Keynes.

Has the Minister taken any

view on reducing the financial

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arrangements with GE for as -- G4S,

and what does it take to lose a

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contract?

As my honourable friend

would acknowledge, a previous

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minister on tarmac responsible for

this institution, the contract is

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subject to a series of obligations.

The contract was signed in 2004, and

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last the 25 years. I am fully aware

of the need to improve standards,

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and rule nothing out. I have already

met with the very senior people at

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G4S, in order to point that out.

They were found last year to have

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made use of high level of force.

But, it is not the only private

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security level found to have used

high levels of force against a

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vulnerable group. Is the Minister

concerned that profit is being put

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before prisoner safety?

With

reference to this facility, the

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children held there can sometimes be

extremely challenging, and the staff

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have to be able to control them, not

just to protect themselves, but to

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protect other children and staff.

With reference to the prison report,

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it is not acceptable. We have

already engaged with this over

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particularly strip searching, and I

expect improvement.

It is critical

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that the voice of the victim is

heard any criminal justice system.

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They need to bring to be caught or

board how the crime has accepted

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them. Under the code, all victims

are entitled to a needs assessment.

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I am very grateful to the Secretary

of State for that answer. I know

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from the family of my own

consistency, that making a

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particular impact statement, is a

very stressful and nerve-racking

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experience. So, what steps is he

taking, to ensure that in those

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situations, the victim is the

priority, rather than the offender?

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Can I thank my honourable friend for

his question. It is a situation he

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has raised with us before. We are

committed to making sure that

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practical and emotional support is

in place of victims throughout

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becoming just as rosettes, such as

providing independent, sexual and

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domestic violence advisers. --

violence advisers.

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Stephen Mullins was 12 years old

when he was abducted, and brutally

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murdered on his way home. The family

feel extremely let down by the

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parole board who have lost their

letters, ignored their letters, and

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then left so many of their questions

unanswered. It appears that a

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worrying pattern is emerging here.

Will the Minister help me give them

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some of the answer is that they

deserve.

Well, first of all, can I

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express my sympathy with Mr and Mrs

Mullins, for the most horrendous

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situation that they have

experienced. In terms of victim

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support, in the context of another

case we need to make sure sure that

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we look again in terms of how that

process works in that particular

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case, yes of course, I would be

willing to meet the honourable

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member and Mr and Mrs Mullins.

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Into thousand nine, there was a

fabricated witness statement. Since

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then, his efforts to seek the help

of the courts have been frustrated

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by a cover up which I believe

reaches right to the top. Will my

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honourable friend beat except a

meeting with me to discuss the

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issues concerning this at his

earliest convenience?

I thank my

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right honourable friend for his

question. I will of course be happy

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to meet him. I am not in a position

of calls to comment on this

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particular case, but I will be, of

course, willing to gauge with him.

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Thank you Mr Speaker, I would like

to welcome the Secretary of State to

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his post. Victims must be at the

heart of our justice system, but we

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have seen failings, we have seen the

police failing victims, and victims

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are asking why there are no further

prosecutions. In fact, victims feel

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let down throughout this process. So

Mr Speaker, I will ask the Secretary

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of State once again, to support

victims and help restore their

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faith, and will he'd agreed today to

an independent end to end review

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into the whole handling of this

case?

In terms of victims, as I

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announced to the House on Friday,

there has been a fact-finding review

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agreed for the Warboys case. I am

aware of conflicting evidence on

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that point. So, it is important that

we pursue that. I quite understand

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why the honourable gentleman suggest

an end to end review. Indeed, there

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are questions which you need to be

considered in terms of what happened

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in 2008 and 2009 but as I said

before, at the moment I want to

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focus on the immediate questions in

front of us, in terms of support the

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victims and the parole board.

John

Worboys... Will my right honourable

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friend prosciutto and asked that he

will do everything with -- will my

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right honourable friend reassure us

that he will do everything in his

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power.

If I could say to my

honourable friend, who has been

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tireless on this matter, in recent

weeks, is that when it comes to

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precise positions, those up

operational matters that are decided

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on an operational. But, let me

reassure him, that's nearly a

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thought might -- fortnight ago, I

wrote to the... And, ensuring that

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the most stringent measures are

taking place in terms of the

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conditions.

Thank you Mr Speaker. I

visited Liverpool prison yesterday,

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and the inspectors' report was

genuinely disturbing and it is of

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course reflected on the ground.

There are some very good prison

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officers working there, but

unfortunately, the conditions in

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terms of basic sanitation, piles of

garbage was really shocking. We have

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got a new Government in place --

governor in place, so that we can

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begin a proper refurbishment and

maintenance programme, but most

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importantly, we cannot let this

happen again.

Thank you Mr Speaker.

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These appalling conditions did not

happen overnight. Who will be held

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to account locally and nationally,

for failing to implement each of the

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many critical report about the

prison, and how in 20 century

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Britain, this is allowed to happen.

Lack of adequate health care meant

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that slice were lost. What

happened...

These are very important

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questions, which we will look at

very closely. We published an action

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plan on Liverpool prison. There are

two MAC key things we have got to

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do. One is about leadership. The

governor has now been replaced by a

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new governor. In future, if anything

like this happens, within 28 days,

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we'll be forced to apply. That is

only the beginning, this requires a

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complete change in culture that

focuses on getting back to basics,

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clean the prison, and making sure

that health care provision is in

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place.

Can I congratulate my

honourable friend on his new role,

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the whole house knows his passion

for prison policy, but will he hold

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those individuals to account who

allowed these appalling conditions

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in this prison?

This is a big

question of management. We have got

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to balance the fact that there are a

lot of hard-working people who take

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their jobs very seriously and work

very long hours. But, there clearly

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have been fundamental failings in

place. People will be held to

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account, and above all, we need to

work for the team at Liverpool

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prison, to make sure that it is a

clean place in the future, to

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protect the public and reduce

reoffending.

Can I welcome you to

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your new role. In his action plan,

it states that there will be a full

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conditions survey, and investment

proposal for refurbishment. Is that

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the most realistic outcome for the

future of the prison in Liverpool?

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It is certainly true that thereafter

challenges, as we see with this

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building itself. It is also true,

that even if Westminster Hall was

0:25:450:25:52

built in 1080, that it is possible

to keep buildings going. We will

0:25:520:25:58

look very carefully at the fabric.

In some cases, there is reason to

0:25:580:26:03

build new wings. In terms of

Liverpool prison, we can make a huge

0:26:030:26:09

difference to £2.5 million going

into new Windows and refurbishing

0:26:090:26:15

certain cells.

Rat infestations were

cited. Prison maintenance was

0:26:150:26:23

outsourced. This shows that problems

with outsourcing goes wailed beyond

0:26:230:26:30

Carillion. Will you commit to a

review... We will look very

0:26:300:26:44

carefully at the issues of

maintenance. The problems are not

0:26:440:26:50

only around maintenance. They are

also about relationships between the

0:26:500:26:54

management and the contractors, and

about the way that prisoners were

0:26:540:26:57

used or not used to clean the

estate. We have used a -- made a

0:26:570:27:03

huge amount of it was just in the

last few weeks, by changing the

0:27:030:27:06

management approach.

I thank the

Minister for his answer on

0:27:060:27:12

contractors, but it is hard to have

faith that he will address the

0:27:120:27:16

problems at Liverpool, or at any

prison, when it has recently come to

0:27:160:27:22

light that his Government handed

Carillion money even after concerns

0:27:220:27:31

have been raised. In reality, they

put profit first, these private

0:27:310:27:41

contractors.

0:27:410:27:45

We don't believe it's an ideological

fight between the private and public

0:27:450:27:52

sector. 70% of Carillion's workforce

were public servants. Most of this

0:27:520:27:58

has been solved through basic

management leadership. There has

0:27:580:28:03

been a deep clean. The yard units

have increased from 5-18, the

0:28:030:28:08

conditions will improve rapidly. In

the end, a lot is about management,

0:28:080:28:13

not about a private- public debate.

There are three things that we have

0:28:130:28:21

been doing on education. The first

is to make sure the government are

0:28:210:28:25

empowered to bring in their own

education providers, the second is

0:28:250:28:29

to set minimum standards in relation

to English language particularly and

0:28:290:28:33

the third is for the futures network

to connect people to jobs.

The

0:28:330:28:39

ministers are seeking to grant this

question with number 12.

I would

0:28:390:28:43

like to take number eight and 12

together.

I thank my honourable

0:28:430:28:53

friend for his answer, he knows that

46% of prisoners have only got a

0:28:530:28:59

literacy age of 11 and that is three

times the national average, which is

0:28:590:29:03

still too high. Does he agree with

me that it is lack of literacy that

0:29:030:29:10

often makes people go to prison in

the first place and could explained

0:29:100:29:15

in a little bit more detail how we

can reduce this illiteracy level so

0:29:150:29:20

we don't get reoffending.

0:29:200:29:25

As the Speaker implies in his

reprimand to me, the causes of

0:29:270:29:32

offending many and multiple,

illiteracy is one along with issues

0:29:320:29:35

to do with people health, education,

social and over criminal justice

0:29:350:29:41

system but literacy is key to reduce

reoffending because literacy is the

0:29:410:29:45

key to get a good job and good

education provision in prison is

0:29:450:29:50

driven by governors will be the key

to addressing this.

Can the

0:29:500:29:58

ministers say anything more on the

steps the government is taking

0:29:580:30:03

further to empower governors to

deliver effective education and

0:30:030:30:06

training in prisons?

The answer is

that we have empowered them by

0:30:060:30:14

having an EU procurement contract in

place that means that we in the

0:30:140:30:17

Ministry will do the central

procurement bureaucracy but the

0:30:170:30:21

governments can choose who they used

to actually train and educate the

0:30:210:30:25

prisoners. The governors are also

going to yield to choose which

0:30:250:30:30

companies to pay with so that the

excellent work I saw on metal

0:30:300:30:36

welding was able to really

contributed in getting jobs in the

0:30:360:30:39

community.

0:30:390:30:40

Does the Minister agree that

whatever plans he comes up with

0:30:410:30:44

require enough prison officers on

the estate to be able to release

0:30:440:30:51

prisoners from their cells and take

them to education and training

0:30:510:30:54

classes and does he know that I know

except to reduce the number of

0:30:540:31:01

prison officers has seriously

hampered the chances of prisoners

0:31:010:31:06

reoffending? Amongst the many issues

that face education in prisons is

0:31:060:31:10

run the issue of numbers, which is

why we have now committed and are

0:31:100:31:15

delivering ahead of target to having

2500 more prison officers which will

0:31:150:31:21

allow us to have the key working

programmes in place for each officer

0:31:210:31:25

will be paired with six prisoners to

guide them through the process.

0:31:250:31:31

With the Minister accept there are

some very good examples of literacy

0:31:320:31:37

classes in prisons and reoffending

rates reducing but would he

0:31:370:31:40

undertake to ensure the best

practice but across the United

0:31:400:31:44

Kingdom is replicated so we can see

reoffending rates fall across the

0:31:440:31:47

UK?

0:31:470:31:49

This is true, an enormous number of

programmes have huge success. In

0:31:510:31:56

Brixton prison, the problem is

reducing reoffending by 43% but we

0:31:560:32:00

can do much more to learn the

lessons and have a proper

0:32:000:32:04

standardised document that takes

what has worked elsewhere and drives

0:32:040:32:07

through the entire system.

In order

to encourage more businesses to take

0:32:070:32:12

on former offenders, the government

has to lead by example and not just

0:32:120:32:17

by exaltation. The band box

initiative was brought down across

0:32:170:32:21

government to encourage that, how

his former offender employment going

0:32:210:32:24

in the public sector?

I would like

to pay tribute to my predecessor who

0:32:240:32:29

did this job far better than I will

be able to determine of the things

0:32:290:32:34

he introduced which is going very

well is working with the Ministry of

0:32:340:32:39

Defence, providing basic supplies

for British military troops there is

0:32:390:32:42

something that is providing

employment of prisoners but the

0:32:420:32:45

training of vocational skills or

require.

Prisoners move round the

0:32:450:32:52

prison system and in the end they

come out of the prison system, one

0:32:520:32:55

of the things that goes wrong

consistently is the lack of

0:32:550:32:59

consistency of education and

training between different

0:32:590:33:04

institutions once prisoners leave.

The minister talked about poor to

0:33:040:33:07

the governors but they have to work

within the construct, what is he

0:33:070:33:11

going to do to make sure we have got

that consistency?

This is a balance

0:33:110:33:17

between empowering the governors so

they can have a tailored programme

0:33:170:33:20

that is flexible and works for the

prison while having decent national

0:33:200:33:24

standards and that will be set in

the curriculum to national level,

0:33:240:33:29

having the area managers engaged but

also giving the governor ability to

0:33:290:33:35

give skills relevant to the jobs

that are actually outside the prison

0:33:350:33:38

gates.

Question number nine. Public

safety is a primary consideration in

0:33:380:33:48

decisions on releasing a prisoner.

The law requires that a release is

0:33:480:33:58

allowed this there is no danger to

the public. The decisions are based

0:33:580:34:05

on incomprehensible assessment of

the ongoing risk posed by the

0:34:050:34:07

offender using detailed reports

compiled by risk management

0:34:070:34:13

professionals. I have a nice that my

department will carry out a full

0:34:130:34:16

review of the relevant processes and

procedures in place for victims

0:34:160:34:21

relating to put parole board

decisions and will consider if they

0:34:210:34:23

should be improved.

0:34:230:34:24

I will come my honourable friend, we

worked in the same city for a number

0:34:260:34:37

of years. In light of the recent

case, my constituents have raised

0:34:370:34:41

similar concerns in regard to the

release of Colin pitchfork who

0:34:410:34:46

brutally raped and murdered two

teenage girls in my constituency and

0:34:460:34:50

pleaded not guilty. He was only

found guilty as a result of DNA

0:34:500:34:55

evidence, which was a first at the

time. What assurances can my right

0:34:550:35:00

honourable friend provide for the

safety of my constituents and others

0:35:000:35:06

who have not been fully considered

in this matter and will he assure us

0:35:060:35:11

that the parole board will take into

account the safety of our citizens

0:35:110:35:14

in regard to Mr pitchfork's release.

Can I thank my honourable friend for

0:35:140:35:22

his remarks. The safety of the

public is the parole board's

0:35:220:35:25

overriding concern in considering

whether prisoners should be released

0:35:250:35:29

and that will be the board's concern

when it comes to reviewing this

0:35:290:35:34

detention. I can confirm that the

families of the victims are

0:35:340:35:38

receiving regular contact and

specifically they have been given

0:35:380:35:44

the opportunity to submit a victim

personal statement to the parole

0:35:440:35:48

board and to make representations

regarding licence conditions for any

0:35:480:35:52

upcoming hearing. The special

protections for release.

Does the

0:35:520:36:02

Minister believe that placing

prisoners back where they offended

0:36:020:36:09

is problematic.

Ultimately these are

operational decisions and there are

0:36:090:36:15

a number of factors that have to be

taken into account in deciding what

0:36:150:36:21

licence conditions exist. Clearly,

the views and concerns of victims an

0:36:210:36:27

important part of that process.

In

relation to the parole board review

0:36:270:36:31

of public safety, for those of us

who are deeply concerned, can he

0:36:310:36:39

confirmed that the government with

at least cooperate the judicial

0:36:390:36:42

review now being brought by victims?

Can I thank my right honourable

0:36:420:36:50

friend for her question. In my

statement to the House on Friday, I

0:36:500:36:55

set out that I would not be pursuing

the judicial review on behalf of the

0:36:550:37:01

government in this case but I also

made it very clear I didn't want to

0:37:010:37:04

say or do anything that would stand

in the way of others who may have

0:37:040:37:09

different views on a judicial review

and I maintain that position.

0:37:090:37:14

Question number ten. The government

want to victims to get the support

0:37:160:37:21

they need to cope with them as far

as possible from the effects of

0:37:210:37:26

crime and spending £96 million to

fund critical support services for

0:37:260:37:31

victims of crime. This includes £7.2

million for nationally commissioned

0:37:310:37:36

rape support services. George Moore

boys lived in rather hide and he is

0:37:360:37:47

not welcome back. He hasn't

sentenced the -- hasn't serve the

0:37:470:37:52

sentence he was given. How is the

government working with authorities

0:37:520:37:58

to make sure offenders are punished

for their crimes.

This case has

0:37:580:38:07

troubled us all and me personally,

of course it has. In this particular

0:38:070:38:15

case, we are investigating the

review from deprivation point of

0:38:150:38:17

view. As the Secretary of State has

said, there are operational

0:38:170:38:22

responsibilities here with regards

to wear he is transferred to and the

0:38:220:38:27

directions when he is released and

where he can go and the Department

0:38:270:38:31

is engaged with that on a daily

basis.

The biggest insult that can

0:38:310:38:36

be given to the victim of crime is a

derisory sentence imposed on the

0:38:360:38:42

offender. Could my honourable friend

update the House on his plans to

0:38:420:38:45

widen the scope of the lenient

sentence scheme. My honourable

0:38:450:38:54

friend is aware that the government

committed in its manifesto to

0:38:540:38:56

consider the extension of the

scheme. The Attorney General is

0:38:560:39:03

reviewing that.

0:39:030:39:05

We all know that too often the

victims are failed by the criminal

0:39:080:39:13

justice system. It is presumably why

in 2015 the Conservatives match

0:39:130:39:18

Labour's manifesto commitment to

enshrine victim's rights in a

0:39:180:39:22

victim's law. It is two years on.

Can ministers give me a single good

0:39:220:39:28

reason why it hasn't happened?

After

Easter by victim strategy will be

0:39:280:39:36

published, as promised, and with and

there will be recommendations on

0:39:360:39:42

legislative and non-legislative

measures, part of which will be the

0:39:420:39:44

largest of underpinning of the code.

-- the legislative underpinning.

Can

0:39:440:39:52

I first pay tribute to my

predecessor, the honourable member

0:39:520:39:56

for Surrey East for the

extraordinary work he has done. We

0:39:560:40:01

have have done a range of work with

the police through to the conviction

0:40:010:40:06

of over 28 individuals for drawing

related offences -- drone.

What

0:40:060:40:12

support is given to the prisoners

for the high incidence of drone

0:40:120:40:16

attack them will he meet with me to

discuss potential improvements?

0:40:160:40:20

We have established specialist teams

for prisons that have particular

0:40:220:40:27

vulnerabilities to drone attacks on

very happy to meet with the

0:40:270:40:30

honourable member to discuss some of

the legislative issues and I would

0:40:300:40:33

add that I also believe there is

much more we can do on basic issues

0:40:330:40:38

such as netting and grills, as well

as focusing on high technology.

0:40:380:40:44

Drones by one of the ways mobile

phones are got into prisons where

0:40:440:40:49

they can be used for criminality

alongside drugs. Can my honourable

0:40:490:40:53

friend tell me what measures are

being taken to use technology to

0:40:530:40:56

limit the use of mobile phones in

prison?

Two types of technology can

0:40:560:41:02

be used mobile telephones, one is

jamming technology the second is one

0:41:020:41:08

to detect the mobile phones. An

astonishing number of phones, far

0:41:080:41:11

too many, over 20,000 were detected

in prisons and we should address

0:41:110:41:15

this and two ways. Make sure they

don't get in, these are closed

0:41:150:41:19

environment and we should be able to

reduce the amount that is coming in

0:41:190:41:23

but secondly, by putting forums in

sales to other people to talk to

0:41:230:41:28

their families, we can monitor the

calls and control the need for these

0:41:280:41:31

phones in the first place.

0:41:310:41:34

The Ministry of Justice has plans

for £1 billion modernisation

0:41:390:41:43

programme for ports. This will

streamline and simplify processes

0:41:430:41:47

using technology. This will help

both those who work in the courts

0:41:470:41:51

and those who use them.

0:41:510:41:53

Can the Minister give an assessment

to the department's recent work and

0:41:550:41:59

improving the performance of the

alternative dispute resolution

0:41:590:42:02

scheme and its intention to help

consumers resolve disputes with

0:42:020:42:06

traders but also ease the volume of

work in the court room? The

0:42:060:42:11

honourable member is right to

highlight the importance and value

0:42:110:42:16

of alternative dispute resolutions.

Currently, it already runs a small

0:42:160:42:21

claims mediation service to help

parties resolve claims under £10,000

0:42:210:42:27

before a hearing. We are also

working with online mediation for

0:42:270:42:31

those to begin their claims online.

0:42:310:42:34

Under this government hundreds of

courts have closed and the latest

0:42:370:42:41

consultation list, I see Fleetwood

Court is on that list. Amateur days

0:42:410:42:46

court closures contribute to a

positive experience for people who

0:42:460:42:55

use them?

In circumstances where

last year nationally courts and

0:42:550:42:59

Tribunal services were only used at

58% of their available hearing

0:42:590:43:05

capacity and in circumstances that I

have already outlined, we are

0:43:050:43:09

planning to spend £1 billion

modernising the Court service using

0:43:090:43:15

technology to use some processes

online and use video evidence more

0:43:150:43:18

effectively. It's appropriate in the

circumstances to consider the best

0:43:180:43:22

use of the money that we spend on

the legal services system, which we

0:43:220:43:26

are doing for a consultation which

will include the honourable member's

0:43:260:43:30

Magistrates' Court and we will

listen closely but it's important to

0:43:300:43:34

remember that all the money saved

through any court closures will be

0:43:340:43:37

put back into the justice system,

making sure that our justice system

0:43:370:43:42

works effectively for everybody in

it.

0:43:420:43:51

Mr Speaker, the Worboys case has

made clear to me that there are some

0:43:510:43:57

aspects of the parole board process

that need to be examined and

0:43:570:44:01

improved. It is crucial that we

preserve the independence of the

0:44:010:44:05

board, but it is equally important

that these decisions can be

0:44:050:44:12

scrutinised, and in some

circumstances reconsidered. That is

0:44:120:44:15

why I asked on Sunday, for the

revision to include not just the

0:44:150:44:22

transparency, but also how outcomes

and circumstances can be challenged.

0:44:220:44:26

I will not rush to conclusions, this

is a complex area, and the rightful

0:44:260:44:31

concerns of the victims will be

considered. We will have completed

0:44:310:44:35

the review by Easter, and

thereafter.

The Lord Chancellor who

0:44:350:44:42

will be aware of the case of my

constituent who was left blinded of

0:44:420:44:48

one I. The defendant was sentenced

to a pathetically small 22 months.

0:44:480:44:58

Can you personally review how this

case has been handled, the soft

0:44:580:45:03

sentence given, and the failures of

the criminal justice system to

0:45:030:45:07

support the victim.

I am grateful to

my right honourable friend for

0:45:070:45:11

raising what appears to be an

extremely distressing case. We are

0:45:110:45:16

looking at options to strengthen our

response to the domestic abuse, and

0:45:160:45:19

we hope to bring forward proposals

soon. I cannot comment on individual

0:45:190:45:25

sentencing decisions, and

prosecutions are made by the CVS,

0:45:250:45:28

but I will look at the role that my

department had in this case, and

0:45:280:45:33

write to her a response on these

specific questions.

Thank you very

0:45:330:45:37

much, Mr Speaker. My constituent,

Kim Mitchell was subject to sexual

0:45:370:45:43

abuse which is only eight years old.

She had to supper the trauma of

0:45:430:45:47

growing up with the authorities not

believing her, but after a long

0:45:470:45:50

battle, herpes was eventually

charged us last year. Sadly, Kim has

0:45:500:45:55

been denied criminal injuries

compensation, does the Secretary of

0:45:550:46:02

State think this is there?

Is sad

and appalling case, please write to

0:46:020:46:09

me about it. I am happy to meet with

the member, as well.

Constituents

0:46:090:46:15

repeatedly complained to me that's

dangerous criminals to not as a

0:46:150:46:18

matter of cores serve the sentence

given by the courts. What actually

0:46:180:46:22

is the department taking to ensure

that sufficient prison places are

0:46:220:46:26

available so that dangerous

criminals can serve the appropriate

0:46:260:46:33

sentences.

The answer is that we

focus on making sure that we have a

0:46:330:46:40

proper investment programme in

place. Additional money has been

0:46:400:46:43

allocated for the building of new

prisons. We have two MAC currently

0:46:430:46:48

being provision. To reassure the

member, it is vital that sentences

0:46:480:46:57

are not driven by availability of

places.

In my recent community

0:46:570:47:02

consultation, real concern was

0:47:020:47:15

expressed, in the earlier exchange,

there has been a 35% fall in the

0:47:160:47:20

number of civil aid cases. With the

department facing cuts, how

0:47:200:47:24

confident is the Minister that the

review that she mentioned earlier

0:47:240:47:28

will provide the access to justice

that is currently being denied to

0:47:280:47:31

hundreds of thousands of the most

vulnerable?

Well, it is very

0:47:310:47:36

important that those who are the

most vulnerable do get access to

0:47:360:47:40

legal aid. Legal aid is available,

to those who are in need at the most

0:47:400:47:45

critical moment in their life. The

honourable member mentioned, in

0:47:450:47:50

relation to housing, legal aid is

available, where there is

0:47:500:47:53

homelessness, where there are just

replied to the home that they

0:47:530:47:57

seriously threaten life, or health

to an individual. We are reviewing

0:47:570:48:00

legal aid, and we will update the

House on that.

Does the Minister

0:48:000:48:12

agree with me that it is

reprehensible, for a north London

0:48:120:48:15

coroner, to independently insist on

a priority, where no death will be

0:48:150:48:25

prioritised, because of the religion

of the deceased.

I am aware of the

0:48:250:48:31

situation, having met with the board

of British jews. I do recognise that

0:48:310:48:44

there are some sensitivities over

this. That is why I am very happy to

0:48:440:48:50

meet with the honourable gentleman,

and the representatives, again in

0:48:500:48:58

the department.

Does the Secretary

of State think it is right that the

0:48:580:49:01

number of women experiencing

domestic violence who are forced to

0:49:010:49:05

represent themselves in court and

has doubled since 2012, and what

0:49:050:49:11

steps is he taking to Joe that they

get legal representation?

As I said

0:49:110:49:17

a moment or so ago, we are looking

at this. This is a matter that the

0:49:170:49:26

Government takes very seriously. In

terms of the context of legal aid,

0:49:260:49:30

as my honourable friend has already

pointed out, we are currently

0:49:300:49:35

undertaking a review.

Thank you, Mr

Speaker. We know that the

0:49:350:49:46

radicalisation often occurs in a

prison setting.

Mr Speaker, this is

0:49:460:49:55

a hugely important issue for all

sides of the House. We know

0:49:550:50:00

absolutely that extremism, we saw

this in France, and in Iraq, can be

0:50:000:50:06

driven in a prison setting. The

problem is not simply the 200

0:50:060:50:11

prisoners who are arrested on

terrorist offences, but others. We

0:50:110:50:17

are working very hard with the Home

Office on this issue, and it will be

0:50:170:50:21

a priority for the Secretary of

State and for myself during my time

0:50:210:50:24

in office.

Thank you, Mr Speaker.

Does the Minister believe that

0:50:240:50:33

funding gaps in the NHS has having a

impact on the health care division

0:50:330:50:37

in our prisons?

The health care in

prisons is a priority for me when I

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took over in July 2000 16. It was

the first thing that I started to

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ask about. The Ministry of Justice

have a much closer relationship with

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the Department of Health, regarding

provision of health care, and we

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have made advances about the

transfer of information. I am under

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no illusion of the challenges still

to be face, within the prison

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system, with regards to health care,

and that is why we will continue to

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work actively with the Department of

Health, who actively are involved in

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the Department for the provision of

the services.

I was pleased with the

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Shropshire and Telford MPs, to see

that the court there was not

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included in the list last Friday,

but would the Minister meet me and

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other Shropshire MPs, to understand

how important it is to maintain this

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in our county? Tenner I would be

very happy to meet with the

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honourable member, and any related

MPs in that area. There are two MAC

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consultation taking place, but also

a wider consultation on the future

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of our courts. I would encourage the

honourable member to participate in

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that, and highlight any concerns in

that, about his local area any more

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nationally.

Thank you, Mr Speaker.

Canny Minister tell the House wide

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and organisation is playing over 30

million pounds for a quarter

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system...

As I have already

outlined, there is £1 billion

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modernisation programme which is

very complex, and which we need to

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get right. It involves a number of

aspects which need scrutiny. PwC is

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replacing a number of smaller

providers, fulfilling an important

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service.

Recent HM inspections

reports reveal a consistent failure

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to act on recommendations on

previous reports. We'll be Minister

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say that compliance of the reports

will be the norm rather than the

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exception?

Absolutely. There are two

MAC things that we are doing to make

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sure that we are doing this. We have

set up a special unit to follow up

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on everyone of those

recommendations. The second is that

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we have introduced an urgent

notification process, requiring us

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to reply within 28 days to any

issues that are raised by the

0:53:220:53:26

inspector.

Following the round of

recent court closes, -- closures,

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there has been a failure to find

alternative prison provision is.

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This has not happened, despite them

saying that it had. Will the

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Minister meet representations from

Eastbourne to resolve this wholly

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unsatisfactory iterations?

I would

be very happy to meet with the

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honourable member.

Pakistani

nationals make up one the largest

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good in our prisons, but the

prisoner transfer agreement with

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Pakistan has been suspended recent

years. As a matter of urgency can

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get this up and running again?

The

honourable member will be a aware of

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the fact that it was suspended

because of corrupt release of

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prisoners by Pakistani prisoners. We

are working very closely with the

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Home Office, and the Foreign Office

and the Department for International

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Development. To make sure that we

make sure that they return to the

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places from which they came.

The 18

months prior to May 2017, three

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openly transgender women took their

own lives while in custody. What is

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being done so that the staff have

the right training, and the

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prisoners have the right mental

health support to avoid these tragic

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events?

You are right, this is

tragic. We are working extremely

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hard to recognise the particular

needs of transgender offenders. The

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challenge for the system is that it

is a small number of people, spread

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across a number of private prisons,

but we are having some progress.

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There is more to do.

Mr Speaker, it

is good to hear the Minister offered

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to speak to members around the

House, about the court in their

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patch. Which is speaks them, will

Chic thing to them about

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modernisation and digitalisation,

and how those changes may be able to

0:55:230:55:27

improve the access to courts?

The

honourable member makes a very

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important point, and I would be very

happy to engage with any colleagues

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who are likely to discuss it. We are

listening, but certainly, the future

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of our courts are exciting, and

interestingly, transforming our

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justice system, the documentary, the

Lord cheese Justice, and the --

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Chief Justice...

I congratulate the

honourable member on her

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appointment. She may have noticed a

negative reaction to Hopp...

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appointment. She may have noticed a

negative reaction to

As I have

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already highlighted, today, these

plans take place it within the Tonks

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text -- context of £1 million...

But, as I have said, we will listen

0:56:300:56:38

in relation to the court closures,

consultation properly. It is the

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Lord Chancellor that will make the

ultimate decision, and I will like

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to point out that in the last

consultation on court measures, five

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sites that were identified still

remain open following the review, so

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when some cases are made, we will

listen.

When a prisoner is released,

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they are not even at base camp in

terms of their rehabilitation, in a

0:56:590:57:03

less they have accommodation. An

authorities openly discriminate

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against them, claiming that they

have no local... Claiming because

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the prison is far away. Then it is

important.

There are three things

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that we are doing to address it, but

we can do much more. The verses

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having statutory duty on the

Government to identify prisoners who

0:57:260:57:30

are at risk of homelessness. The

second is that we are investing more

0:57:300:57:34

in the accommodation support

services to provide that temporary

0:57:340:57:37

support and accommodation. The third

is working with the Government, to

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ensure that we have those homes

available even for people with

0:57:450:57:50

severe mental health needs, but

housing is essential.

0:57:500:57:53

One of my constituents has a young

son who is serving a very long

0:57:530:57:57

prison sentence. He often spends 23

hours locked up in his cell. How

0:57:570:58:03

does the ministers think that is

affecting his mental health or his

0:58:030:58:07

chances of rehabilitation on

release?

Clearly this is not good.

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Prisoners need decent purposeful

activity. If you are logged up when

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you sell too long, you're not having

educational opportunities and we

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should aim to make sure that people

are spending 8-10 hours a day

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outside cells, that is partly about

numbers of staff, which is why we

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have brought in another 250 numbers

of staff and more education

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provision and that is not

acceptable.

Following campaigns by

0:58:350:58:40

victim's families, the government

announced in October last year they

0:58:400:58:42

would bring in tougher sentences for

those causing death or serious

0:58:420:58:47

injury by dangerous driving but

still nothing has happened. Why the

0:58:470:58:50

delay?

We will be reporting to the

House in due course.

I like to put

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on record my role as co-chair of the

justice unit Parliamentary group.

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When the prison opened, its resume

skills development and

0:59:080:59:12

rehabilitation was called pioneering

but in the first six months, 27

0:59:120:59:21

Trans staff left. Prisoners are

assaulted staff on an occasion and

0:59:210:59:25

only once was reported to police.

Recruitment, retention and star

0:59:250:59:30

safety at this prison is in crisis.

I'm very happy to meet in detail

0:59:300:59:35

with the honourable member who has

put an enormous amount of passion

0:59:350:59:39

and energy into studying issues of

prisons in Wales. We do believe

0:59:390:59:43

there are some very positive signs

and we can talk goes through.

0:59:430:59:47

Recruitment figures have been very

positive. We are ahead on the

0:59:470:59:52

recruitment of 2500 people across

England and Wales but happy to sit

0:59:520:59:56

down and talk about that prison.

0:59:560:59:59

As the Secretary of State scene

investigation by the Sun newspaper

1:00:081:00:13

into new allegations of misconduct

by the West London coroner including

1:00:131:00:17

bullying, sexism and homophobic

Kondogbia for staff. Previous

1:00:171:00:26

findings of holding secret inquests

at night, clear by the Secretary of

1:00:261:00:32

State to return to work. Will he

meet with West London MPs and

1:00:321:00:35

council leaders to discuss this

crisis?

I thank the honourable

1:00:351:00:42

member for us question, I know that

the Parliamentary Secretary will be

1:00:421:00:52

happy to meet him.

The number and

percentage of women given custodial

1:00:521:00:59

sentences has dropped in many areas

of the country. The North Wales the

1:00:591:01:04

figures have increased by 57%. Will

the Minister Logan into the reasons

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for this huge increase?

Very happy

to, please send me the information.

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Some women in Europe have been taken

to the family courts on multiple

1:01:161:01:20

locations by former partners. This

process has been used as a form of

1:01:201:01:25

emotional abuse and its costly to

constituents and what steps are

1:01:251:01:30

being taken to recognise court abuse

and what actions will be taken now?

1:01:301:01:35

Using the court process to do this

is unacceptable particularly in

1:01:351:01:42

relation to domestic abuse. The

court can take actions if it thinks

1:01:421:01:45

there is an abuse of process by

restricting litigants's ability to

1:01:451:01:51

continue with further applications

and claims. The new rules introduced

1:01:511:01:56

in November made sure that

vulnerable court users get the

1:01:561:01:59

support that they need in court

rooms.

Individuals with Spectrum

1:01:591:02:07

disorder are some of the most

honourable inmates in prison and

1:02:071:02:12

subject to abuse and victimisation.

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