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I think we are done. Are we done?
OK, urgent question. Thank you. To | 0:00:02 | 0:00:14 | |
ask the Secretary of State and home
Department if she will make a | 0:00:14 | 0:00:17 | |
statement on hate crime in light of
the inflammatory letters inciting a | 0:00:17 | 0:00:22 | |
punish a Muslim day on the 3rd of
April. As you will appreciate the | 0:00:22 | 0:00:30 | |
letters described in the question
are part of an ongoing investigation | 0:00:30 | 0:00:34 | |
and as such I'm not in a position to
comment on them but the government | 0:00:34 | 0:00:38 | |
condemns the content of these
letters is clearly a torrent with no | 0:00:38 | 0:00:43 | |
place in decent society -- ab
horrid. | 0:00:43 | 0:00:46 | |
We take a crime and is a phobia very
seriously and we have a framework to | 0:00:48 | 0:00:53 | |
respond to it -- Islamophobia.
Freedom of speech and the rule of | 0:00:53 | 0:01:00 | |
law and equal rights defined us as a
society and the government is | 0:01:00 | 0:01:05 | |
determined to promote these values
actively working in partnership and | 0:01:05 | 0:01:09 | |
alongside Muslim and indeed all
faith communities to demonstrate | 0:01:09 | 0:01:12 | |
that what we have in common is the
best defence against extremists who | 0:01:12 | 0:01:17 | |
would seek to divide and our hate
crime action plan sets out our comp | 0:01:17 | 0:01:23 | |
Ran Singh approach to tackling hate
crime. -- sets out our | 0:01:23 | 0:01:28 | |
comprehensive. We have a strong
range of guidelines. The legislation | 0:01:28 | 0:01:37 | |
provides equal protection under the
law for all ethnic and religious | 0:01:37 | 0:01:40 | |
groups. We have sources of expert
advice on the nature and causes of | 0:01:40 | 0:01:45 | |
hate crime through the anti-Muslim
hate crime working group and the | 0:01:45 | 0:01:50 | |
Independent advisory group on hate
crime. We have committed £2.4 | 0:01:50 | 0:01:54 | |
million over three years to help
protect places of worship that have | 0:01:54 | 0:01:59 | |
been subject or vulnerable to a hate
crime attack and we have also | 0:01:59 | 0:02:04 | |
committed a further £1 million
following the terrible Finsbury Park | 0:02:04 | 0:02:09 | |
attack in June last year to help
protect places of worship and | 0:02:09 | 0:02:15 | |
associated community centres which
are vulnerable to attack on racial, | 0:02:15 | 0:02:19 | |
religious or ideological grounds and
so far we have funded 45 mosques | 0:02:19 | 0:02:24 | |
under both schemes and we have also
funded tell Mama to record | 0:02:24 | 0:02:28 | |
anti-Muslim hatred incidents and we
have made it mandatory for police | 0:02:28 | 0:02:35 | |
forces to disaggregate religious
hate crime data held by the police | 0:02:35 | 0:02:41 | |
to reveal the true scale and nature
of the problem which we are | 0:02:41 | 0:02:43 | |
determined to tackle. | 0:02:43 | 0:02:47 | |
Thank you for granting this urgent
question. The letter calling for an | 0:02:51 | 0:02:56 | |
attack on Muslims on April the 3rd
offers reward for attackers, ten | 0:02:56 | 0:03:03 | |
points for verbal abuse, 50 points
for throwing acid, 1000 points for | 0:03:03 | 0:03:09 | |
bombing at a mosque and two and two
and a half thousand points to nuke | 0:03:09 | 0:03:12 | |
Mecca. Can I remind the house that
millions of Muslims fought for us in | 0:03:12 | 0:03:19 | |
the two world wars including members
of my own family. Figures show that | 0:03:19 | 0:03:26 | |
Islamophobia hate crime has
increased by 40%, 1678 anti-Muslim | 0:03:26 | 0:03:32 | |
hate crimes reported in London just
until January this year, so can I | 0:03:32 | 0:03:39 | |
ask the minister if she can explain
why no government ministers in the | 0:03:39 | 0:03:43 | |
last eight years have ever made a
speech on the rise of anti-Muslim | 0:03:43 | 0:03:48 | |
hatred? Recent history has shown
that 50% of the British population | 0:03:48 | 0:03:53 | |
believe that Islam is a threat to
Western democracy and over 30% of | 0:03:53 | 0:04:02 | |
young children believe that Muslims
are taking over England. Given such | 0:04:02 | 0:04:06 | |
anti-Muslim views have gained such
traction what is the government | 0:04:06 | 0:04:09 | |
going to do to help prevent the
growth of such extreme views that | 0:04:09 | 0:04:15 | |
appears to have come from parts of
the print, broadcast and social | 0:04:15 | 0:04:19 | |
media? What concrete stuff is the
government going to do to tackle the | 0:04:19 | 0:04:26 | |
growth in hate crimes and hate
against Muslims question up can the | 0:04:26 | 0:04:32 | |
minister set up the amount of
funding that is provided by the Home | 0:04:32 | 0:04:34 | |
Office to tackle each form of
bigotry? Mr speaker, and I'm sure | 0:04:34 | 0:04:41 | |
every member will accept this, there
has been a sharp rise in the far | 0:04:41 | 0:04:45 | |
right movement in Europe and beyond
with the USA president retweeting | 0:04:45 | 0:04:51 | |
far right material, this is a really
urgent situation and it needs to be | 0:04:51 | 0:04:56 | |
urgently tackled another forward to
hearing the minister respond as to | 0:04:56 | 0:05:01 | |
what concrete stuff will be taken to
deal with this. I thank you for | 0:05:01 | 0:05:07 | |
bringing forward this urgent
question and may I make it clear | 0:05:07 | 0:05:09 | |
that this government wants to give a
strong message of support to Muslims | 0:05:09 | 0:05:13 | |
across the UK, we are committed to
their safety and security and if | 0:05:13 | 0:05:21 | |
anyone has received this letter or a
similar communication please contact | 0:05:21 | 0:05:27 | |
the police where they will be
treated with the utmost seriousness | 0:05:27 | 0:05:30 | |
and action will be taken. Moving to
the points, the issue of anti-Muslim | 0:05:30 | 0:05:39 | |
and indeed far right extremism, is a
focus for the government. The | 0:05:39 | 0:05:44 | |
preventive strategy which tackles
extremism doesn't tackle Muslim | 0:05:44 | 0:05:51 | |
extremism in and of itself, it
tackles extremism in general and | 0:05:51 | 0:05:56 | |
sadly over a quarter of referrals in
the strategy in 2015 concerned the | 0:05:56 | 0:06:00 | |
far right extremists and and so this
government and in particular this | 0:06:00 | 0:06:06 | |
Prime Minister with the experience
that she brings to her position | 0:06:06 | 0:06:09 | |
following her experience in the Home
Office, all of this is focused on | 0:06:09 | 0:06:13 | |
tackling extremism and
radicalisation and how this affects | 0:06:13 | 0:06:19 | |
our community which is precisely why
we are refreshing the hate crime | 0:06:19 | 0:06:21 | |
action plan this year. Anna Soubry.
I want to put this on record, the | 0:06:21 | 0:06:30 | |
mayor of rock star happens to be a
Muslim -- Brock Stowe. She happens | 0:06:30 | 0:06:37 | |
to be the first person of colour to
be mayor here and the first person | 0:06:37 | 0:06:43 | |
to be a Muslim mayor and also
happens to be a Tory, and as it also | 0:06:43 | 0:06:47 | |
happens in her office of nearly one
year completed, she has had a warm | 0:06:47 | 0:06:53 | |
welcome where ever she has gone in
my borough and rightly so. People | 0:06:53 | 0:06:57 | |
are sick and tired of hate crime,
Islamophobia, it is absolutely no | 0:06:57 | 0:07:06 | |
longer to be tolerated and I commend
the minister for everything she has | 0:07:06 | 0:07:09 | |
said in her statement and I do
believe that this government takes | 0:07:09 | 0:07:14 | |
it very seriously. This isn't really
a hate crime, this is an act of | 0:07:14 | 0:07:20 | |
blatant incitement to terrorism but
in any event I'm looking over at the | 0:07:20 | 0:07:25 | |
co-chair of the all-party
Parliamentary group on Muslims, the | 0:07:25 | 0:07:30 | |
member for Ilford North, we worked
together on this and I'm sure he'll | 0:07:30 | 0:07:34 | |
agree, the time has come for a
proper legal definition of | 0:07:34 | 0:07:39 | |
Islamophobia, would the minister
agree? | 0:07:39 | 0:08:23 | |
We don't accept the need for a
definitive one but we know that | 0:08:23 | 0:08:27 | |
Islamophobia is clearly recognised
and we have very effective | 0:08:27 | 0:08:34 | |
monitoring of the anti-Muslim hatred
group in these areas. Can I | 0:08:34 | 0:08:43 | |
congratulate my honourable friend
for securing it? The despicable | 0:08:43 | 0:08:47 | |
sentiments behind the sickening
letters has caused revulsion across | 0:08:47 | 0:08:51 | |
our communities, and while we can be
confident that thanks to the | 0:08:51 | 0:08:54 | |
tireless dedication of community
leaders, charities, faith groups in | 0:08:54 | 0:09:00 | |
civil society these deliberate
attempts to divide us will not | 0:09:00 | 0:09:02 | |
succeed. Nevertheless, this act will
have struck fear into the heart of | 0:09:02 | 0:09:06 | |
communities, and indeed that was its
intention. This was indeed an | 0:09:06 | 0:09:11 | |
incitement to violence, and it
cannot go unpunished. As we have | 0:09:11 | 0:09:15 | |
heard, hate crimes nationwide are
rising. In London alone there has | 0:09:15 | 0:09:20 | |
been a fivefold increase on attacks
on Muslims in the last year. The | 0:09:20 | 0:09:23 | |
threat from the extreme right wing
as the outgoing territory Mark | 0:09:23 | 0:09:29 | |
Rowley has said is significant and
it requires urgent attention. The | 0:09:29 | 0:09:33 | |
murder of our colleague and friend
Jo Cox, the attack at Finsbury Park | 0:09:33 | 0:09:38 | |
Moss, the jailing of the leaders of
Britain first and the reports from | 0:09:38 | 0:09:42 | |
the Anderson review, which suggested
that the extreme right wing are | 0:09:42 | 0:09:47 | |
engaged in credible attack planning,
including bomb-making. There is now | 0:09:47 | 0:09:52 | |
overwhelming evidence that the
threat from the extreme right is | 0:09:52 | 0:09:55 | |
growing increasingly violent, and we
have to be clear that by threatening | 0:09:55 | 0:09:59 | |
members of our diverse communities,
they are also a threat to our | 0:09:59 | 0:10:01 | |
national security, fax to their
anti-democratic, dehumanising and | 0:10:01 | 0:10:08 | |
murderous beliefs. Given the
overwhelming evidence it is clear | 0:10:08 | 0:10:10 | |
that so-called domestic extremism
needs to be dealt with as a first | 0:10:10 | 0:10:14 | |
order threat, so can the minister
assure us that in mind that the | 0:10:14 | 0:10:17 | |
Anderson review recommendations, the
joint terrorist analysis centre will | 0:10:17 | 0:10:25 | |
increase the role for MI5, JTAC and
the counter terror network in the | 0:10:25 | 0:10:31 | |
monitoring and handling of domestic
extremism? And is it not time to | 0:10:31 | 0:10:38 | |
update the contest strategy to
reflect the growing threat from the | 0:10:38 | 0:10:43 | |
extreme right? More broadly, can we
be assured that counterterrorism | 0:10:43 | 0:10:47 | |
policing has the resources they
need? Last month, only half of what | 0:10:47 | 0:10:52 | |
was requested by the police was
given, for counterterrorism, and | 0:10:52 | 0:10:56 | |
police and our services are facing
unprecedented threat from terrorism | 0:10:56 | 0:11:03 | |
in all forms. These letters are an
attempt to divide us, in that they | 0:11:03 | 0:11:10 | |
will not succeed. We must be united
as a house and a country in bearing | 0:11:10 | 0:11:14 | |
down in the insidious beliefs
contained within and be absolutely | 0:11:14 | 0:11:17 | |
clear how we will bring together the
police, schools, colleges and all | 0:11:17 | 0:11:21 | |
authorities to stand up to hate
crime and terrorism in every single | 0:11:21 | 0:11:25 | |
one of its forms. And finally to
ensure that we, all of us, as | 0:11:25 | 0:11:30 | |
elected politicians are at all times
responsible in our language and | 0:11:30 | 0:11:35 | |
rhetoric, and never seek to embolden
those who hold such insidious and | 0:11:35 | 0:11:42 | |
extremist views. I am sure everyone
in the house agrees with the | 0:11:42 | 0:11:46 | |
honourable lady, particularly on
that last point about the importance | 0:11:46 | 0:11:49 | |
of using our language very, very
carefully. In terms of resources, | 0:11:49 | 0:11:54 | |
she asked me about police resources,
of course we have increased fees, | 0:11:54 | 0:11:57 | |
and the Home Secretary, is the
honourable lady will know, reviews | 0:11:57 | 0:12:00 | |
these resources constantly. We asked
the police if they have the | 0:12:00 | 0:12:04 | |
resources we need and the Home
Secretary act accordingly. In terms | 0:12:04 | 0:12:09 | |
of the JTAC and other queries that
she made, may I undertake to write | 0:12:09 | 0:12:13 | |
to the honourable lady specifically,
please? And finally just say it is | 0:12:13 | 0:12:18 | |
gratifying to see so many Members
End house today here unified in | 0:12:18 | 0:12:23 | |
condemning these dreadful letters
and their sentiments, and our | 0:12:23 | 0:12:26 | |
determination to tackle them. Hate
crime in all its forms is to be | 0:12:26 | 0:12:33 | |
condemned, as is this letter.
Another group which is affected by | 0:12:33 | 0:12:37 | |
growing hate crime is the Jewish
community, and the community | 0:12:37 | 0:12:40 | |
security trust is having to go to
ever greater lengths to protect | 0:12:40 | 0:12:44 | |
local Jewish community centres. Can
we ensure that all these forms of | 0:12:44 | 0:12:49 | |
hate crime are combated as far as
possible? I thank my honourable | 0:12:49 | 0:12:56 | |
friend for his question, and of
course any group of people who are | 0:12:56 | 0:13:02 | |
the victims of hate crime as a
result of their religious beliefs | 0:13:02 | 0:13:06 | |
deserve our sympathy and also our
action, and I, like him, condemn any | 0:13:06 | 0:13:12 | |
form of anti-Semitism, and I know
that the police are as focused on | 0:13:12 | 0:13:15 | |
this form of crime as they are on
any other form of religious hate | 0:13:15 | 0:13:18 | |
crime. Can I congratulate the
honourable and landed lady for | 0:13:18 | 0:13:26 | |
Bolton South East in securing this
urgent question, and reassure her | 0:13:26 | 0:13:28 | |
and the rest of the house that the
Scottish National Party joins in the | 0:13:28 | 0:13:33 | |
condemnation of Islamophobia in the
strongest possible terms? We believe | 0:13:33 | 0:13:37 | |
that there is no excuse for any sort
of hate crime, and we were as | 0:13:37 | 0:13:42 | |
concerned as everyone else in this
house to see the significant rise in | 0:13:42 | 0:13:47 | |
hate crime statistics in England and
Wales last year and we note that | 0:13:47 | 0:13:50 | |
followed a spike in hate crime stats
around the time of the EU | 0:13:50 | 0:13:55 | |
referendum, and as others have said
this is happening alongside a | 0:13:55 | 0:13:59 | |
significant rise in right wing
extremism. In Scotland, the police | 0:13:59 | 0:14:03 | |
are committed to making victims,
witnesses and partner agencies feel | 0:14:03 | 0:14:07 | |
more confident in reporting hate
crime, and they do that through a | 0:14:07 | 0:14:11 | |
variety of methods, including a note
network of third-party porting | 0:14:11 | 0:14:15 | |
centres. In Scotland a senior judge
has been appointed to lead an | 0:14:15 | 0:14:19 | |
independent review into hate crime
legislation, and he will be | 0:14:19 | 0:14:23 | |
reporting to the Scottish Government
later this year. Can I ask the | 0:14:23 | 0:14:28 | |
minister what reassurance she can
give us that similar steps are being | 0:14:28 | 0:14:32 | |
taken in the rest of the UK where
hate crime is rising and in | 0:14:32 | 0:14:36 | |
particular that similar steps are
being taken to tackle the specific | 0:14:36 | 0:14:41 | |
problem here, which is Islamophobia?
I thank the honourable lady for her | 0:14:41 | 0:14:50 | |
question and indeed for her
contributions as to what is | 0:14:50 | 0:14:52 | |
happening in Scotland. We very much
look at how we tackle hate crime | 0:14:52 | 0:14:59 | |
particularly throughout hate crime
action plan, which was published in | 0:14:59 | 0:15:02 | |
2016 and will be refreshed this
year, and includes a range of | 0:15:02 | 0:15:06 | |
actions, including funding for
security for places of worship, the | 0:15:06 | 0:15:11 | |
disaggregation of religious -based
hate crime data, and taking further | 0:15:11 | 0:15:15 | |
action in relation to education, so
that teachers can have sometimes | 0:15:15 | 0:15:19 | |
difficult conversations with this
Judon is as to beliefs, and words, | 0:15:19 | 0:15:24 | |
and funding programmes through the
Anne Frank trust and street crimes. | 0:15:24 | 0:15:29 | |
We are determined that our action in
relation to hate crime is up-to-date | 0:15:29 | 0:15:34 | |
and current. As someone who visited
a Syrian refugee camp in Turkey over | 0:15:34 | 0:15:43 | |
the weekend, I find it a little
offensive that a member on the | 0:15:43 | 0:15:45 | |
opposite side said that no
Conservative minister had actually | 0:15:45 | 0:15:49 | |
ever condemned any kind of Muslim
extremism. Is the Minister aware | 0:15:49 | 0:15:57 | |
that her equivalent at the
Department for Education publicly | 0:15:57 | 0:16:01 | |
rebuked the President of the United
States for retweeting said in | 0:16:01 | 0:16:03 | |
comments and invited him to visit
this link communities in the United | 0:16:03 | 0:16:07 | |
Kingdom? Iheanacho tamely grateful
to my honourable friend, I wasn't | 0:16:07 | 0:16:12 | |
sure I had heard the honourable lady
correctly, because as I say the | 0:16:12 | 0:16:16 | |
record of the Prime Minister and
Cabinet ministers on the issue of | 0:16:16 | 0:16:19 | |
tackling anti-Muslim sentiment I
thought was pretty clear. But it may | 0:16:19 | 0:16:24 | |
be that the honourable lady can
clarify her remarks at a later | 0:16:24 | 0:16:27 | |
stage. With regard to the previous
question, I don't think it | 0:16:27 | 0:16:37 | |
represented the point my honourable
friend was making, and I hope that | 0:16:37 | 0:16:40 | |
we can address this issue as a
united Parliament, and not in a way | 0:16:40 | 0:16:44 | |
that is divided, when I think we
should all stand together against | 0:16:44 | 0:16:50 | |
this kind of vile threat, this
insight and this illegal incitement | 0:16:50 | 0:16:54 | |
to violence, and our whole
parliament, the police and | 0:16:54 | 0:16:58 | |
communities across the country
should want to stand firm with | 0:16:58 | 0:17:01 | |
Muslim families, Muslim communities,
against this kind of vile | 0:17:01 | 0:17:04 | |
Islamophobia, because we know from
throughout history that an attack on | 0:17:04 | 0:17:08 | |
some of us is an attack on all of
us, and that is why we stand firm. | 0:17:08 | 0:17:13 | |
But I want to ask the Minister what
the Home Office has done since I | 0:17:13 | 0:17:19 | |
raised last week the prevalence of
national action, illegal propaganda | 0:17:19 | 0:17:24 | |
videos on YouTube still, and also I
discover on Twitter and on Facebook? | 0:17:24 | 0:17:29 | |
Because we know that the former
counterterror chief has warned of | 0:17:29 | 0:17:35 | |
online radicalisation, of the rise
right extremism, and our select | 0:17:35 | 0:17:40 | |
committee has heard in our enquiry
about the serious issues around as a | 0:17:40 | 0:17:44 | |
phobia and hate crime. She will know
we are allowing social media | 0:17:44 | 0:17:48 | |
companies to collude with these far
right extremists if action is not | 0:17:48 | 0:17:52 | |
taken to take this vile illegal
propaganda down. I am a dream the | 0:17:52 | 0:17:58 | |
grateful to the right honourable
member, and she knows the work that | 0:17:58 | 0:18:04 | |
my right honourable friend the Home
Secretary is doing to work with a | 0:18:04 | 0:18:07 | |
large technology companies to
improve their reaction on this. I | 0:18:07 | 0:18:11 | |
think pretty much everyone in this
place and certainly outside of this | 0:18:11 | 0:18:15 | |
place agrees that technology
companies need to do more to remove | 0:18:15 | 0:18:20 | |
these hateful pieces of incitement
on their platforms. They must do it | 0:18:20 | 0:18:25 | |
much more quickly and they must do
it in working with police. So I'm | 0:18:25 | 0:18:30 | |
sure that we have agreement on that.
Can my right honourable friend | 0:18:30 | 0:18:35 | |
reassure this house that those
spreading this fear and hatred, in | 0:18:35 | 0:18:40 | |
whatever form, should be
investigated by the police, and | 0:18:40 | 0:18:44 | |
where appropriate, dealt severely by
the courts. Of course, I mustn't | 0:18:44 | 0:18:51 | |
comment on this particular case
because it is a life police | 0:18:51 | 0:18:54 | |
investigation but the principle is
that if there is an incident of hate | 0:18:54 | 0:18:57 | |
crime, the victim of that hate crime
must please report it to the police | 0:18:57 | 0:19:00 | |
so they can do all they can to bring
these people to justice. Mr Speaker, | 0:19:00 | 0:19:08 | |
these letters are abhorrent and are
causing immense distress across | 0:19:08 | 0:19:12 | |
communities around the country, but
as my right honourable friend has | 0:19:12 | 0:19:16 | |
indicated, this hate crime is being
amplified via the internets. We know | 0:19:16 | 0:19:20 | |
there are still too little action
being taken by those social media | 0:19:20 | 0:19:23 | |
companies. I attended a Round Table
coordinated by two of her | 0:19:23 | 0:19:28 | |
government's department just before
Christmas and we are still to see | 0:19:28 | 0:19:31 | |
action. If I tell her a case that
went to court which saw a man jailed | 0:19:31 | 0:19:34 | |
for two years for the far right
material he put on year -- online, | 0:19:34 | 0:19:39 | |
that material is still up and it
remains the case for many cases | 0:19:39 | 0:19:42 | |
across our country. What action is
the government going to take to make | 0:19:42 | 0:19:45 | |
sure that we don't flame tensions in
our communities by what is seen | 0:19:45 | 0:19:49 | |
online? And honourable Mende herself
has been the victim of much hatred | 0:19:49 | 0:19:57 | |
online, as indeed have other numbers
of this house, and we are very clear | 0:19:57 | 0:20:01 | |
in our expectation of technology
companies that they will in | 0:20:01 | 0:20:04 | |
accordance with the law remove this
material as and when it is brought | 0:20:04 | 0:20:07 | |
to their attention. We have had some
progress, the technology companies I | 0:20:07 | 0:20:11 | |
think I getting better at this but I
don't for a moment pretend that we | 0:20:11 | 0:20:17 | |
have got the full response that we
would like to see these posts taken | 0:20:17 | 0:20:22 | |
down as quickly as possible, and
that is the expectation that the | 0:20:22 | 0:20:25 | |
Home Secretary makes when she meets
these technology companies. Could I | 0:20:25 | 0:20:33 | |
ask the Minister whether a national
unit has been established to check | 0:20:33 | 0:20:43 | |
on hate crime and identify those
people that are dealing in it, and | 0:20:43 | 0:20:46 | |
bring them to justice? We take the
view that hate crime is a matter for | 0:20:46 | 0:20:56 | |
the whole community, given that it
can take ceremony forms, it is not | 0:20:56 | 0:21:00 | |
restricted to one's religion. The
five characteristics are set out | 0:21:00 | 0:21:05 | |
very clearly in the hate crime
legislation and we ensure that the | 0:21:05 | 0:21:10 | |
police and others are trained to
spot the Skrine when it occurs and | 0:21:10 | 0:21:13 | |
to deal with it seriously, and I
hope also sensitively. These letters | 0:21:13 | 0:21:23 | |
are nothing short of a sick and
cowardly attempt to divide our | 0:21:23 | 0:21:29 | |
communities. We are proud of our
communities living side by side in | 0:21:29 | 0:21:33 | |
harmony. There must be a clear
message sent from this house, across | 0:21:33 | 0:21:40 | |
the house, that we will never cower
to any form of extremism, and we | 0:21:40 | 0:21:44 | |
will never allow it to threaten the
very fabric of our society for stock | 0:21:44 | 0:21:48 | |
can I please urge the Minister that
this government does not sit idly by | 0:21:48 | 0:21:53 | |
and let it happen, as in this great
time of need allowing such awful | 0:21:53 | 0:21:59 | |
hatred to be propagated would send
the worse message of all? I would | 0:21:59 | 0:22:04 | |
hope that the honourable lady has
understood from my reaction that the | 0:22:04 | 0:22:07 | |
government is not sitting idly by.
We are refreshing, as I say, the | 0:22:07 | 0:22:13 | |
hate crime action plan this year,
because it has to keep up-to-date | 0:22:13 | 0:22:16 | |
with the new threats faced by all
different types of people and | 0:22:16 | 0:22:21 | |
communities. And I can assure her
that we take these allegations, as | 0:22:21 | 0:22:26 | |
indeed we take allegations, as we
have heard already in the chamber | 0:22:26 | 0:22:31 | |
today, of anti-Semitism, online
hatred and so on, we take them very | 0:22:31 | 0:22:33 | |
seriously and I know the police do
as well. The rising tide of creeping | 0:22:33 | 0:22:40 | |
Islamophobia and anti-Jewish
sentiment is something that should | 0:22:40 | 0:22:42 | |
concern us all. I would like to know
how improving the recording of this | 0:22:42 | 0:22:46 | |
hate crime is helping us to track
what is going on in our society and | 0:22:46 | 0:22:50 | |
how we can tackle it? I am extremely
grateful to my honourable friend to | 0:22:50 | 0:22:55 | |
that question. Of course we now
increasingly data helps give us | 0:22:55 | 0:23:02 | |
answers, it helps direct our
resources in the right way, and so | 0:23:02 | 0:23:05 | |
we are very much hoping that by this
aggregating the specific type of | 0:23:05 | 0:23:12 | |
hate crime, that that will help
individual constabularies work out | 0:23:12 | 0:23:15 | |
how better to prioritise the
resources to do with the different | 0:23:15 | 0:23:18 | |
types of hate crime that we know
exist. | 0:23:18 | 0:23:23 | |
The level of hate and violence
against Muslims has become utterly | 0:23:23 | 0:23:30 | |
intolerable and for years many of
our constituencies have faced the | 0:23:30 | 0:23:34 | |
onslaught of threats from the image
defence league and the British first | 0:23:34 | 0:23:37 | |
and others, can the minister explain
what action her government is going | 0:23:37 | 0:23:42 | |
to take to provide protections to
those communities who feel under | 0:23:42 | 0:23:47 | |
threat on the 3rd of April and
secondly what action will she take | 0:23:47 | 0:23:53 | |
to prescribe groups who are actively
seeking to incite violence and | 0:23:53 | 0:23:57 | |
hatred across our communities in
this country? You will understand | 0:23:57 | 0:24:03 | |
that I must not comment on the
particular investigation going on at | 0:24:03 | 0:24:06 | |
the moment, but given it is a live
investigation, by definition, | 0:24:06 | 0:24:15 | |
communities that may be affected by
any such communication will be | 0:24:15 | 0:24:20 | |
uppermost in the mind of the police
when it comes to protection and | 0:24:20 | 0:24:25 | |
their vulnerability, but in terms of
tackling far right extremism more | 0:24:25 | 0:24:30 | |
generally this is part of a cross
government programme of tackling and | 0:24:30 | 0:24:34 | |
also support for victims and this is
why the preventive strategy is a | 0:24:34 | 0:24:45 | |
safeguarding strategy and this is
where it has such an impact because | 0:24:45 | 0:24:49 | |
sadly a quarter of referrals to
Prevent work from far right | 0:24:49 | 0:24:57 | |
extremism and the strategy is about
leading them away from that part of | 0:24:57 | 0:25:00 | |
radicalisation so they don't commit
these terrible acts. This house is | 0:25:00 | 0:25:06 | |
at its best when it comes to condemn
and comes together to condemn evil | 0:25:06 | 0:25:10 | |
actions and when it is not trying to
score political points against each | 0:25:10 | 0:25:15 | |
other and I think we can all unite
about this letter, and we don't know | 0:25:15 | 0:25:19 | |
who wrote it, it might be some side
individual in a bedsit playing with | 0:25:19 | 0:25:24 | |
his computer or may be something far
more serious, but we are right to | 0:25:24 | 0:25:30 | |
say that this is a condemnation and
an in citation to violence, | 0:25:30 | 0:25:36 | |
especially when it calls on people
to throw acid in people's face. Can | 0:25:36 | 0:25:40 | |
I just ask the house to think of the
moment of the office of the MP for | 0:25:40 | 0:25:46 | |
Bedford. There was an incident in
this place earlier today which | 0:25:46 | 0:25:53 | |
involved him and his staff which may
or may not be connected but we think | 0:25:53 | 0:25:58 | |
it might be, with this letter and we
must come together and make sure | 0:25:58 | 0:26:02 | |
this does not happen, not only here
but also throughout the country. I | 0:26:02 | 0:26:11 | |
thank my honourable friend from
raising this and I'm sure the | 0:26:11 | 0:26:14 | |
thoughts of the house are with the
member of Parliament and their | 0:26:14 | 0:26:17 | |
members of staff concerned although
I have received a note that the | 0:26:17 | 0:26:22 | |
package found there was not
hazardous which must be of | 0:26:22 | 0:26:28 | |
significant relief to those people
concerned but we give our sincere | 0:26:28 | 0:26:32 | |
thanks to the police and others who
went to the rescue of these members | 0:26:32 | 0:26:36 | |
of staff when they found the
package. Stella Creasy. It was | 0:26:36 | 0:26:42 | |
Friday night when I started to
receive reports from residents in | 0:26:42 | 0:26:45 | |
Walthamstow that they had received
one of these letters, the fear and | 0:26:45 | 0:26:49 | |
the terror it caused at the very
point when I was helping other | 0:26:49 | 0:26:53 | |
residents report anti-Semitic
graffiti they had found in our | 0:26:53 | 0:26:58 | |
community, will the minister join in
welcoming the work that tell Mammana | 0:26:58 | 0:27:04 | |
and the security forces are doing to
support these groups? And does she | 0:27:04 | 0:27:08 | |
agree that we had to do more than
just condemn these instances, when | 0:27:08 | 0:27:13 | |
we see Steve Bannon come to Europe
and tell people that they should be | 0:27:13 | 0:27:16 | |
proud to be called a racist, we must
in this house speak up for the | 0:27:16 | 0:27:22 | |
communities we represent and the
power of diversity and immigration | 0:27:22 | 0:27:26 | |
to enrich all of our lives and I
tell the minister the people of | 0:27:26 | 0:27:32 | |
Walthamstow need to demand nothing
less from this government. They are | 0:27:32 | 0:27:35 | |
getting it. I'm very grateful to the
the honourable lady setting out her | 0:27:35 | 0:27:41 | |
concerns and she has highlighted the
fear that people must have felt when | 0:27:41 | 0:27:43 | |
they received these letters and she
is absolutely right that Tell Mama | 0:27:43 | 0:27:49 | |
is an organisation which is
universally recognised as playing an | 0:27:49 | 0:27:52 | |
important role in this field. I'm
told that from the 1st of January | 0:27:52 | 0:27:58 | |
until the 31st of December 2015,
2622 anti-Muslim hate incidents were | 0:27:58 | 0:28:05 | |
reported to Tell Mama by victims or
third parties, and that shows the | 0:28:05 | 0:28:11 | |
scale, three years ago, that we are
facing in this country after these | 0:28:11 | 0:28:19 | |
worrying incidents of hate crime. We
support Tell Mama to the June >> | 0:28:19 | 0:28:25 | |
STUDIO: | 0:28:25 | 0:28:27 | |
-- we support Tell Mama with money.
There's a urgent question to this, | 0:28:30 | 0:28:37 | |
and so there is a premium on extreme
brevity from back and front benches | 0:28:37 | 0:28:41 | |
alike. I also condemn these
despicable letters, following the | 0:28:41 | 0:28:48 | |
recent incident in my constituency
which I would classify as racist | 0:28:48 | 0:28:59 | |
abuse, can I confirm that that crime
will be classified correctly and not | 0:28:59 | 0:29:02 | |
just classified as a public order
offence? Of course what any such | 0:29:02 | 0:29:09 | |
matter is an operational matter for
the police but I know she is such a | 0:29:09 | 0:29:14 | |
good advocate for her local
community but that she will be | 0:29:14 | 0:29:17 | |
asking searching key Western --
searching questions to make sure the | 0:29:17 | 0:29:25 | |
question receives the attention it
deserves. The government is right to | 0:29:25 | 0:29:29 | |
say this is a hate crime which has
no place in our modern society and I | 0:29:29 | 0:29:32 | |
want to place my thanks to our
communities in Hounslow who have a | 0:29:32 | 0:29:37 | |
track record of working together to
create understanding. Will the | 0:29:37 | 0:29:43 | |
minister confirmed the police would
have the resources to work together | 0:29:43 | 0:29:45 | |
effectively and fast to track where
these horrific letters are coming | 0:29:45 | 0:29:50 | |
from, who is disseminating them, who
is behind them, and to make sure our | 0:29:50 | 0:29:56 | |
schools and communities have the
resources they need to stop this and | 0:29:56 | 0:30:00 | |
to support these committees which
will rightly feel at risk and under | 0:30:00 | 0:30:02 | |
threat? The honourable lady has
identified that this has a threat | 0:30:02 | 0:30:11 | |
not just on those who received the
letters but also the wider | 0:30:11 | 0:30:17 | |
neighbourhood and please, ask anyone
who has received any of these | 0:30:17 | 0:30:20 | |
communications to report them to the
police and the Home Office is in | 0:30:20 | 0:30:25 | |
constant medication with the police
to make sure they have the resources | 0:30:25 | 0:30:28 | |
they need to tackle this -- constant
communication. I join my honourable | 0:30:28 | 0:30:35 | |
friend in condemning these letters,
and in view of the similarities | 0:30:35 | 0:30:37 | |
between the anti-Muslim hate crime
and the anti-Semitism we have seen, | 0:30:37 | 0:30:43 | |
will she reassured me that the
action plan proposed by the | 0:30:43 | 0:30:46 | |
government will be adequate? I'm
very grateful for the question and | 0:30:46 | 0:30:52 | |
he has a long record of supporting
our Jewish committees, and yes, the | 0:30:52 | 0:30:59 | |
hate crime action plan covers all
form of hatred as defined by the act | 0:30:59 | 0:31:02 | |
and sadly anti-Semitism forms part
of that. The appalling letters that | 0:31:02 | 0:31:10 | |
we have seen have to be seen in the
context of the flames of prejudice | 0:31:10 | 0:31:16 | |
being found in mainstream newspapers
and in the comments made by | 0:31:16 | 0:31:23 | |
mainstream politicians against their
Muslim opponents and also in the | 0:31:23 | 0:31:27 | |
bystanders who are just as complicit
when in person or online they see | 0:31:27 | 0:31:32 | |
Pegida is on Facebook and other
social media platforms -- Basie | 0:31:32 | 0:31:36 | |
prejudice. -- they see prejudice.
And instead of tackling it they look | 0:31:36 | 0:31:43 | |
the other way, can I ask the
minister to confirm that the | 0:31:43 | 0:31:47 | |
government will take action against
this kind of extremism and also in | 0:31:47 | 0:31:50 | |
the weeks leading up to the first
week of April, every mosque receives | 0:31:50 | 0:31:55 | |
a visit from the police to give them
adequate security advice and make | 0:31:55 | 0:31:58 | |
sure that the Muslim community know
that the authorities are with them | 0:31:58 | 0:32:02 | |
and on their side? The anti-Muslim
hatred working group is a group | 0:32:02 | 0:32:07 | |
which brings together all parties
across government and further afield | 0:32:07 | 0:32:13 | |
to try and tackle this specific form
of hate crime and one of the initial | 0:32:13 | 0:32:18 | |
achievements was to work with the
Society of editors to tackle | 0:32:18 | 0:32:20 | |
anti-Muslim hatred and more recently
with the independent press standards | 0:32:20 | 0:32:27 | |
organisation to develop training for
editors and journalists to tackle | 0:32:27 | 0:32:31 | |
the negative portrayal of Muslims in
the media. On his point about making | 0:32:31 | 0:32:36 | |
sure that mosques are visited in the
run-up to the date mentioned in the | 0:32:36 | 0:32:42 | |
letter, we will send letters happily
to each Chief Constable to make sure | 0:32:42 | 0:32:47 | |
they are aware of this and it is a
matter for chief constables but we | 0:32:47 | 0:32:53 | |
would expect that mosques will be
protected. I also join with my | 0:32:53 | 0:33:00 | |
honourable friend in condemning
these letters but I also welcomed | 0:33:00 | 0:33:03 | |
the money that has been devoted to
protecting places of worship from | 0:33:03 | 0:33:06 | |
hate crime. Good my right honourable
friend also expand on this? -- code. | 0:33:06 | 0:33:19 | |
I'm happy to do this and it follows
on from the previous question, the | 0:33:19 | 0:33:24 | |
government has committed £2.4
million over three years to help | 0:33:24 | 0:33:28 | |
protect places of worship that have
been subject to or are vulnerable to | 0:33:28 | 0:33:33 | |
a hate attack and we hope this will
make people feel safe in their | 0:33:33 | 0:33:40 | |
places of worship. You don't have to
have been taught media studies to | 0:33:40 | 0:33:46 | |
know that anti-Muslim sentiment is
comment -- becoming common in our | 0:33:46 | 0:33:54 | |
tabloid press, so could she have a
word with our friends in the Tory | 0:33:54 | 0:34:01 | |
press? These things feed into the
actions of extremists. I hope | 0:34:01 | 0:34:10 | |
everyone in the house knows that as
the minister for crime and | 0:34:10 | 0:34:13 | |
safeguarding and von ability of
course I'm against language which | 0:34:13 | 0:34:18 | |
leads to the incitement of violence
and hate crime -- vulnerability. I | 0:34:18 | 0:34:22 | |
would help this debate that I would
hope this debate sends a clear | 0:34:22 | 0:34:26 | |
message to the people with whom she
is concerned. As one house we all | 0:34:26 | 0:34:31 | |
find these letters are awful and our
constituents will feel the same but | 0:34:31 | 0:34:38 | |
can my honourable friend make sure
that police forces will tackle these | 0:34:38 | 0:34:46 | |
instances collaboratively? Indeed,
we expect police forces to work | 0:34:46 | 0:34:52 | |
collaboratively especially online,
because online extremism and online | 0:34:52 | 0:35:01 | |
radicalisation knows no geographical
boundary and the police are well | 0:35:01 | 0:35:04 | |
versed sadly in working together to
tackle this form of hatred. There | 0:35:04 | 0:35:10 | |
has been horror and revulsion at
these letters and I'm proud of our | 0:35:10 | 0:35:18 | |
record in standing up against hate
crime in the diverse timidity that | 0:35:18 | 0:35:22 | |
we live in Cardiff, but would the
minister agree that words social | 0:35:22 | 0:35:26 | |
media companies are simply not
enough? Does she share my concern | 0:35:26 | 0:35:32 | |
that representatives of these social
media companies said to me they | 0:35:32 | 0:35:36 | |
would not routinely search for
prescribed organisations? The very | 0:35:36 | 0:35:44 | |
basic level of what they are doing,
does she have a concern? The Home | 0:35:44 | 0:35:50 | |
Secretary is focused on the conduct
and assistance that technology | 0:35:50 | 0:35:54 | |
companies can give to the police
nationally and locally in taking | 0:35:54 | 0:35:57 | |
down this awful material in this
goes across online with child sexual | 0:35:57 | 0:36:10 | |
expertise you and there is a great | 0:36:10 | 0:36:13 | |
this shows the ignorance of the
perpetrators, and the anonymity is | 0:36:27 | 0:36:33 | |
even more damaging online, so is it
not time not just to do more to take | 0:36:33 | 0:36:37 | |
them down once these things have
been posted but to stop them being | 0:36:37 | 0:36:41 | |
posted in the first place and make
sure that the identity of the people | 0:36:41 | 0:36:46 | |
posting has to be revealed before
they have these accounts? The Home | 0:36:46 | 0:36:52 | |
Secretary was in California recently
to discuss these matters with the | 0:36:52 | 0:36:55 | |
online companies, the technology
companies, and the question of | 0:36:55 | 0:37:01 | |
anonymity is an issue which we are
looking at in terms of the internet | 0:37:01 | 0:37:08 | |
stretcher to -- internet strategy
because we want the UK to be the | 0:37:08 | 0:37:17 | |
safest place in the world to be
online. This is the latest addition | 0:37:17 | 0:37:23 | |
to a long line of Islamophobic hate
crimes which have been sadly growing | 0:37:23 | 0:37:28 | |
over the last number of years in
courage by the undeniable rise of | 0:37:28 | 0:37:31 | |
the far right in Dost directly and
indirectly by leaders of powerful -- | 0:37:31 | 0:37:40 | |
leaders and powerful figures across
the globe. Within increase in | 0:37:40 | 0:37:46 | |
religious hate crime of 267% since
2011, why has the government record | 0:37:46 | 0:37:54 | |
been so poor? -- with an. Reflecting
on the overall tone of this urgent | 0:37:54 | 0:38:02 | |
question I'm not going to rise to
the debate but I think we can all | 0:38:02 | 0:38:07 | |
work together to call hate crime at
when it happens, and we have already | 0:38:07 | 0:38:10 | |
heard the forms in which it can take
including anti-Semitism and last | 0:38:10 | 0:38:16 | |
week the member for Grimsby spoke of
experiences in terms of the misogyny | 0:38:16 | 0:38:21 | |
which is not yet a hate crime but
which was the cause of much debate | 0:38:21 | 0:38:24 | |
last week. We are very clear and I
think the house has been very clear | 0:38:24 | 0:38:29 | |
today that this letter and these
letters, their sentiments, by our | 0:38:29 | 0:38:33 | |
holy awful and they are to be
condemned. -- they are entirely | 0:38:33 | 0:38:38 | |
awful and they are to be condemned. | 0:38:38 | 0:38:43 | |
What practical support is being
provided to help the targets of the | 0:38:43 | 0:38:47 | |
victims of hate crime? I thank my
honourable friend for his question. | 0:38:47 | 0:38:51 | |
Of course we want first of all clues
for victims to report their | 0:38:51 | 0:38:55 | |
experience to the police. The police
are sadly aware of these events | 0:38:55 | 0:39:01 | |
today, and I hope are to be trusted
by the particular groups of people | 0:39:01 | 0:39:10 | |
concerned, and they will receive a
concerned and sensitive welcome from | 0:39:10 | 0:39:14 | |
the police in reporting these
crimes. There is much we are doing | 0:39:14 | 0:39:18 | |
as I have said already in the hate
crime action plan, and also trying | 0:39:18 | 0:39:22 | |
to tackle the root of
radicalisation, so that these awful | 0:39:22 | 0:39:27 | |
sentiments are not expressed in the
first place. Anti-Muslim hate crimes | 0:39:27 | 0:39:33 | |
and anti-Semitic hate crime is
rising at such a shocking rate, this | 0:39:33 | 0:39:36 | |
sort of anonymous letter can strike
fear into whole communities. But | 0:39:36 | 0:39:44 | |
isn't it also the case that
anonymous social media is also | 0:39:44 | 0:39:47 | |
dissimilar problem and happens on a
daily basis? We have to confront | 0:39:47 | 0:39:54 | |
this question of anonymity in
shedding such bile. Will she address | 0:39:54 | 0:39:58 | |
this? I have very much heard what
the house has said on this, as the | 0:39:58 | 0:40:03 | |
honourable gentleman will now, the
strategy was published last year, | 0:40:03 | 0:40:08 | |
and I would ensure that in terms of
anonymity, they are very much heard | 0:40:08 | 0:40:16 | |
by the Secretary of State to
culture, media and sport. What makes | 0:40:16 | 0:40:24 | |
you British is not what you look
like, where your parents were from, | 0:40:24 | 0:40:29 | |
or how you worship, but the
contribution that you make to our | 0:40:29 | 0:40:32 | |
country. And nowhere has the
contribution made by British is and | 0:40:32 | 0:40:39 | |
is being greater than in the West
Midlands, which is why I will be | 0:40:39 | 0:40:42 | |
spending April the 3rd, which has
been identified as this day of hate, | 0:40:42 | 0:40:48 | |
I will be spending the day visiting
as many mosques and community | 0:40:48 | 0:40:53 | |
centres as possible across the
region to ensure Muslims in the West | 0:40:53 | 0:40:57 | |
Midlands of my support and
solidarity to show them I am on | 0:40:57 | 0:41:00 | |
their side, and I hope that other
members of the house will be doing | 0:41:00 | 0:41:03 | |
the same. The honourable gentleman
has set out beautifully I think the | 0:41:03 | 0:41:09 | |
values that bind this house and our
countries together, and I wish him | 0:41:09 | 0:41:15 | |
luck on his visit to the many
mosques that must be there in the | 0:41:15 | 0:41:21 | |
West Midlands will stop I welcome
the funding the Minister has | 0:41:21 | 0:41:25 | |
promised, but of course Muslims do
not only gather at places of | 0:41:25 | 0:41:28 | |
worship, so what reassurance can she
give to the many Muslim community | 0:41:28 | 0:41:33 | |
groups, schools where children
gather, other places which are not | 0:41:33 | 0:41:36 | |
specifically Muslim but where there
will be groups of Muslims, to give | 0:41:36 | 0:41:39 | |
them some reassurance that they will
have funding for extra security, | 0:41:39 | 0:41:42 | |
should that be needed, in Bristol
West? I thank the honourable lady | 0:41:42 | 0:41:47 | |
for her question. As I say, the
government has not only pledged or | 0:41:47 | 0:41:52 | |
indeed spent up to £2.4 million over
three years, but of course we also | 0:41:52 | 0:41:57 | |
have the funding of tell Mama, which
is a very important, as it were, | 0:41:57 | 0:42:01 | |
intelligence tool, to help us or the
police understand where they need to | 0:42:01 | 0:42:05 | |
best focus their resources. If there
are particular areas in her | 0:42:05 | 0:42:10 | |
constituency about which she has
concerns, I would ask are pleased to | 0:42:10 | 0:42:15 | |
ensure her Chief Constable nose and
her Police and Crime Commissioner | 0:42:15 | 0:42:17 | |
knows, because they must be the ones
who make the operational decision. | 0:42:17 | 0:42:22 | |
My constituency are very worried
about the rise in hate crime. Is the | 0:42:22 | 0:42:29 | |
Minister satisfied that West
Yorkshire and further afield have | 0:42:29 | 0:42:31 | |
the police resources they need in
light of the significant cuts in | 0:42:31 | 0:42:36 | |
order to investigate and apprehend
those responsible for this abhorrent | 0:42:36 | 0:42:39 | |
crime? Mr Speaker, it is about how
resources are spent, and that is | 0:42:39 | 0:42:45 | |
particularly relevant and pertinent
question of West Yorkshire, I can't | 0:42:45 | 0:42:51 | |
recall the figure of the top of my
head but I seem to recall that West | 0:42:51 | 0:42:57 | |
Yorkshire has several millions of
reserves in savings. Of course how | 0:42:57 | 0:43:02 | |
that is spent is a matter for the
elected Police and Crime | 0:43:02 | 0:43:05 | |
Commissioner. I hope you will be
taking up the Home Office's funding | 0:43:05 | 0:43:11 | |
initiative of increasing council tax
to make sure they have more money to | 0:43:11 | 0:43:14 | |
deal with the resource in issue. I
have been deeply concerned about | 0:43:14 | 0:43:18 | |
these letters. Like with the Muslim
ban last year they feel unfairly | 0:43:18 | 0:43:25 | |
targeted and under siege. Whilst
this is obviously a target to target | 0:43:25 | 0:43:32 | |
the social media sites and so on,
these were snail mail. Can I pick up | 0:43:32 | 0:43:36 | |
on the Minister to pick out the
Minister from Feltham and Hastings, | 0:43:36 | 0:43:40 | |
can she update us on who sent these
letters, what is being done to stop | 0:43:40 | 0:43:46 | |
these letters and once those people
are apprehended, can she reassure my | 0:43:46 | 0:43:50 | |
constituents that they will feel the
full weight of the law? I mustn't, I | 0:43:50 | 0:43:58 | |
can't go into more detail on the
specifics of the ongoing police | 0:43:58 | 0:44:01 | |
investigation, because she will not
want me or anyone asked to | 0:44:01 | 0:44:05 | |
inadvertently endanger any future
prosecution, but I can give her the | 0:44:05 | 0:44:09 | |
reassurance that this case is being
investigated very, very carefully, | 0:44:09 | 0:44:13 | |
and that the full force of the law
is being applied. Anti-Semitic and | 0:44:13 | 0:44:19 | |
Islamic hate crime on the rise, it
is well documented but we'll soon | 0:44:19 | 0:44:24 | |
know there is significant
underreporting, and in my spirit and | 0:44:24 | 0:44:28 | |
by women. Hijabs wearing Muslim
women are often most honourable | 0:44:28 | 0:44:32 | |
because of their visibility. What
assurances can the minister Gibney | 0:44:32 | 0:44:34 | |
in terms of in the community that
the government is doing what it can | 0:44:34 | 0:44:41 | |
to ensure the message of reporting
all hate crime incidents is got out | 0:44:41 | 0:44:47 | |
into the community? The honourable
lady has hit upon a very important | 0:44:47 | 0:44:50 | |
point: we must all do what we can to
encourage victims of hate crime, | 0:44:50 | 0:44:54 | |
whether it is to do with race,
religion, disability or gender | 0:44:54 | 0:44:59 | |
identity and so on, we must please
encourage people to report it | 0:44:59 | 0:45:01 | |
because we know that underreporting
is a real issue. We know also that | 0:45:01 | 0:45:06 | |
the work of organisations like tell
Mama I hope will help people find | 0:45:06 | 0:45:11 | |
the wherewithal to report those
incidents to the police. I welcome | 0:45:11 | 0:45:15 | |
that we are all united in condemning
this despicable attempt to divide | 0:45:15 | 0:45:22 | |
our community. Since 2016, national
rhetoric and language has led to a | 0:45:22 | 0:45:26 | |
real increase in hate crime.
Government lead by example and | 0:45:26 | 0:45:30 | |
encourage everyone to turn down
national language and rhetoric? Yes. | 0:45:30 | 0:45:40 | |
The Minister referred several times
to the £2.4 million funding under | 0:45:40 | 0:45:43 | |
the government's anti-hate scheme.
She also referred to just 45 places | 0:45:43 | 0:45:48 | |
of worship receiving funding. Are
there any plans to increase the | 0:45:48 | 0:45:52 | |
number of funding and the number of
places of worship that will attract | 0:45:52 | 0:45:56 | |
that funding? May I write to the
honourable lady, because I am an | 0:45:56 | 0:46:04 | |
clear, I will confess, as to whether
applications are in June and I would | 0:46:04 | 0:46:08 | |
not wish to in any way inadvertently
answering correctly so I will answer | 0:46:08 | 0:46:12 | |
the lady by writing. The best way to
build the longing, tolerance and | 0:46:12 | 0:46:18 | |
relationships is to invest in people
to come together and understanding. | 0:46:18 | 0:46:26 | |
In Oldham, they were completely
undermined by the government | 0:46:26 | 0:46:28 | |
snatching away the grant in 2010
with no assessment made on what | 0:46:28 | 0:46:33 | |
would impact would have. Of course
we recognise the importance of | 0:46:33 | 0:46:43 | |
bringing communities together, and
there are many ways in which to do | 0:46:43 | 0:46:47 | |
that. The way in which my
constituency may enjoy being brought | 0:46:47 | 0:46:50 | |
together may be very different from
another constituency elsewhere in | 0:46:50 | 0:46:53 | |
the country. I'm not quite clear as
to the direct impact that honourable | 0:46:53 | 0:47:00 | |
gentleman said in relation to that
project but I will happily write to | 0:47:00 | 0:47:03 | |
him about it, thank you. First of
all, can I condemn this letter along | 0:47:03 | 0:47:11 | |
with every body else, it is
apparent. It has been reported there | 0:47:11 | 0:47:16 | |
has been a spike in hate crime since
the EU referendum, both in | 0:47:16 | 0:47:21 | |
Islamophobia and anti-Semitism,
coming from the hard right and the | 0:47:21 | 0:47:23 | |
hard left. It is also reported by
the CPS that there has been a drop | 0:47:23 | 0:47:30 | |
in the number of prosecutions in
2017 by over 1000 against this | 0:47:30 | 0:47:36 | |
increase in incidents. What is the
Minister doing with the CPS and the | 0:47:36 | 0:47:40 | |
police to ensure that that is
reserved -- reversed? We know there | 0:47:40 | 0:47:45 | |
has been a drop in referrals
recorded last year which has had an | 0:47:45 | 0:47:49 | |
impact on the number of completed
prosecutions in 2016 and 2017 and | 0:47:49 | 0:47:53 | |
the CPS is working with the police
at a local and national level to | 0:47:53 | 0:47:56 | |
understand the reasons for the
overall fall in referrals for the | 0:47:56 | 0:47:59 | |
past two years. But again the
message is pleased to spread around | 0:47:59 | 0:48:03 | |
our constituencies, if you have been
the victim of hate crime, please | 0:48:03 | 0:48:06 | |
report it because that way we can
try and do something about it. Those | 0:48:06 | 0:48:11 | |
police forces like Greater
Manchester which have long targeted | 0:48:11 | 0:48:13 | |
hate crime and work hard with the
community nevertheless recognise | 0:48:13 | 0:48:22 | |
that community policing is central
to challenging hate crime. Will the | 0:48:22 | 0:48:26 | |
Minister take that message back,
because frankly the community | 0:48:26 | 0:48:30 | |
policing is about trust, and trust
is fundamental. We need our | 0:48:30 | 0:48:33 | |
community police. I'm grateful to
the honourable gentleman. Of course | 0:48:33 | 0:48:40 | |
local policing is important, but we
also have to recognise that we can't | 0:48:40 | 0:48:44 | |
just rely on policing alone to reach
into communities, and not just to | 0:48:44 | 0:48:50 | |
reach into, but to build
relationships. This is why | 0:48:50 | 0:48:54 | |
organisations like Tell Mama and
other charities are such an | 0:48:54 | 0:48:56 | |
important part of the overall
picture of people when they feel | 0:48:56 | 0:49:02 | |
they have been the victims of crime,
they know what to do, where to go, | 0:49:02 | 0:49:06 | |
and they feel they will be listened
to and their experiences will be | 0:49:06 | 0:49:10 | |
acted upon. It is quite clear the
whole house condemns these letters | 0:49:10 | 0:49:16 | |
but it is not just those sending the
letters causing this hate, not just | 0:49:16 | 0:49:20 | |
groups like Britain first was that
it includes groups like the BMP. My | 0:49:20 | 0:49:26 | |
honourable friend and I received a
letter from the BNP with a poem | 0:49:26 | 0:49:30 | |
making racist comments, and on the
back of the letter, would the | 0:49:30 | 0:49:37 | |
Minister condemn the actions of the
BMP and so there should be no part | 0:49:37 | 0:49:41 | |
in political parties who peddle this
hate? I am absolutely clear that the | 0:49:41 | 0:49:46 | |
British National Party and all the
other far right organisations that | 0:49:46 | 0:49:51 | |
have been described today have no
place in our society, and frankly | 0:49:51 | 0:49:55 | |
they're showing at ballot box is
when they dared to stand for | 0:49:55 | 0:49:59 | |
election shows how little truck the
British public have with them. | 0:49:59 | 0:50:05 | |
Urgent question, Caroline Lucas. Mr
Speaker, to ask the Leader of the | 0:50:05 | 0:50:10 | |
House about the treatment of House
of Commons staff. The Leader of the | 0:50:10 | 0:50:14 | |
House, Andrea Leadsom. Thank you, Mr
Speaker. I am grateful to the | 0:50:14 | 0:50:19 | |
honourable lady for a question. She
and I worked together on a | 0:50:19 | 0:50:23 | |
cross-party working group on an
independent complaints and grievance | 0:50:23 | 0:50:27 | |
policy, and I thank sincerely for
her work on it. Reports of bullying | 0:50:27 | 0:50:29 | |
of house staff are of huge concern
to me, and to honourable members | 0:50:29 | 0:50:35 | |
right across the house. I am
committed to stamping out all kinds | 0:50:35 | 0:50:43 | |
of bullying and harassment in
Parliament in order to create an | 0:50:43 | 0:50:47 | |
environment in which everyone feels
safe and is treated with the respect | 0:50:47 | 0:50:51 | |
and dignity that they deserve. We
can only achieve our goals in this | 0:50:51 | 0:50:55 | |
house with the support of others. A
great debt of gratitude is owed by | 0:50:55 | 0:51:00 | |
us all to the house staff who
support us behind the scenes. I | 0:51:00 | 0:51:06 | |
myself have worked with a large knob
of civil servants and staff of the | 0:51:06 | 0:51:09 | |
house during my time in Parliament,
from the clerks of the Treasury | 0:51:09 | 0:51:13 | |
Select Committee to my private
offices at the Treasury, in energy | 0:51:13 | 0:51:18 | |
and Defra, and now to the team in
the leaders's office, and the | 0:51:18 | 0:51:23 | |
excellent secretariat that supported
the working group. I have always | 0:51:23 | 0:51:25 | |
been impressed and I am very
grateful for the dedication, | 0:51:25 | 0:51:31 | |
professionalism, high standards and
courtesy that all the civil servants | 0:51:31 | 0:51:35 | |
and house staff have shown. I know
that many honourable and right | 0:51:35 | 0:51:38 | |
honourable members across the house,
and in the other place, would say | 0:51:38 | 0:51:44 | |
the same. The house will be aware
that significant progress has been | 0:51:44 | 0:51:48 | |
made in recent months following the
shocking report at the end of last | 0:51:48 | 0:51:53 | |
year of sexual harassment, bullying
and intimidation in this place. The | 0:51:53 | 0:51:56 | |
working group that I'd shared set up
by the Prime Minister has now | 0:51:56 | 0:52:00 | |
published its report and it has been
agreed by both houses -- that I | 0:52:00 | 0:52:05 | |
chaired. Questions are in place to
get the new independence complaint | 0:52:05 | 0:52:10 | |
procedure up and running within the
next three months. The honourable | 0:52:10 | 0:52:13 | |
lady will recall that the working
group wanted house staff to be | 0:52:13 | 0:52:17 | |
included in the new complaints
procedure from day one. However, | 0:52:17 | 0:52:22 | |
following evidence taken and in
consultation with the trade union | 0:52:22 | 0:52:27 | |
representatives of house staff, it
was agreed that the staff of the | 0:52:27 | 0:52:30 | |
house would not immediately be
covered by the new independent | 0:52:30 | 0:52:34 | |
procedure, because they were already
covered by the house's own respect | 0:52:34 | 0:52:37 | |
policy. It was believed that the
respect policy was working well and | 0:52:37 | 0:52:43 | |
that house staff were satisfied with
it. However, it was acknowledged | 0:52:43 | 0:52:49 | |
during the working group evidence
sessions that the respect policy did | 0:52:49 | 0:52:52 | |
not cover complaints of sexual
harassment and violence, and the | 0:52:52 | 0:52:57 | |
aspiration of the working groups is
to take up the question of whether | 0:52:57 | 0:53:01 | |
house staff should have immediate
access to the new independent | 0:53:01 | 0:53:06 | |
complaints procedure, now that the
report has been agreed by both | 0:53:06 | 0:53:08 | |
houses. And following the Newsnight
allegations, and others, it is clear | 0:53:08 | 0:53:15 | |
that the respect policy may not be
sufficient to protect house staff. | 0:53:15 | 0:53:22 | |
I'm aware that the clerk of the
House of Commons has written to | 0:53:22 | 0:53:26 | |
staff saying they are unresolved
issues over bullying and harassment | 0:53:26 | 0:53:29 | |
including sexual harassment which
needs to be addressed and this will | 0:53:29 | 0:53:34 | |
include a review of the respect
policy. The clerk of the House of | 0:53:34 | 0:53:38 | |
Commons has also reassured staff who
wish to come forward with complaints | 0:53:38 | 0:53:42 | |
of bullying that they will be dealt
with in the proper manner with the | 0:53:42 | 0:53:47 | |
support of their managers and
colleagues. It is right that | 0:53:47 | 0:53:50 | |
everyone working for or with
parliament regardless of position or | 0:53:50 | 0:53:56 | |
seniority should have the same
rights and protections and should be | 0:53:56 | 0:54:00 | |
held to the same high standards. The
house commission next meets on | 0:54:00 | 0:54:07 | |
Monday the 19th of March next
Monday, and I've given notice to my | 0:54:07 | 0:54:12 | |
fellow members I will be
recommending a short and dependent | 0:54:12 | 0:54:14 | |
the lead inquiry by the house
commission looking into allegations | 0:54:14 | 0:54:20 | |
of systemic bullying of
Parliamentary staff -- independent. | 0:54:20 | 0:54:25 | |
I will propose the inquiry should
hear from past and current staff | 0:54:25 | 0:54:29 | |
members about their experiences and
help to provide them with closure | 0:54:29 | 0:54:32 | |
where ever possible. I would also
propose that it should take | 0:54:32 | 0:54:37 | |
soundings from current and former
house staff on whether the respect | 0:54:37 | 0:54:41 | |
policy is fit for purpose and
whether house staff would be better | 0:54:41 | 0:54:45 | |
served by having access to the new
independent complaints and grievance | 0:54:45 | 0:54:49 | |
policy from the first day. I'm more
determined than ever that we banish | 0:54:49 | 0:54:56 | |
all kinds of harassment and bullying
from this place because make no | 0:54:56 | 0:55:01 | |
mistake there is a need for change.
Caroline Lucas. Thank you for | 0:55:01 | 0:55:08 | |
granting this urgent cross-party
question, and this isn't about party | 0:55:08 | 0:55:12 | |
politics and political gain, it is
about doing the right thing by the | 0:55:12 | 0:55:18 | |
staff who support us on a daily
basis and making sure the House of | 0:55:18 | 0:55:21 | |
Commons leads by example would it
comes to robust lead tackling | 0:55:21 | 0:55:24 | |
workplace bullying and sexual
misconduct. Members of the public | 0:55:24 | 0:55:28 | |
will be shocked by the revelations
of bullying at Westminster which | 0:55:28 | 0:55:31 | |
were highlighted by Newsnight last
week and I commend the leader for | 0:55:31 | 0:55:35 | |
her ongoing work to establish the
siege and the need for that because | 0:55:35 | 0:55:41 | |
of the respect policy did not apply
to large numbers of those working in | 0:55:41 | 0:55:45 | |
Parliament -- established that.
There are now considerable grounds | 0:55:45 | 0:55:50 | |
to make sure the same policy does
not have the confidence of the staff | 0:55:50 | 0:55:54 | |
it is intended to protect and that
the new procedure must be expanded | 0:55:54 | 0:55:58 | |
to avoid a two tier system so
ungrateful to the leader of the | 0:55:58 | 0:56:04 | |
house that she broadly agrees with
that and I'm pleased to hear about a | 0:56:04 | 0:56:07 | |
new short inquiry but will she also
confirmed very specifically that | 0:56:07 | 0:56:11 | |
there will be a presumption in
favour of historic allegations being | 0:56:11 | 0:56:14 | |
thoroughly investigated should those
affected choose to make formal | 0:56:14 | 0:56:19 | |
complaints, either under the respect
policy or the new procedure? Will | 0:56:19 | 0:56:24 | |
she acknowledge the positive work
she has led to date risks being | 0:56:24 | 0:56:27 | |
undermined if we continue to allow
sanctions to be determined by a | 0:56:27 | 0:56:31 | |
committee on which MPs are
effectively hold all the power? Will | 0:56:31 | 0:56:36 | |
she agree that the whole process
including sanctions must be handled | 0:56:36 | 0:56:39 | |
by an independent body? Will she
revisit whether good employer and | 0:56:39 | 0:56:45 | |
consent training is an important
part of culture change should start | 0:56:45 | 0:56:48 | |
before the next election? The
evidence is clear that it should. In | 0:56:48 | 0:56:52 | |
the meantime can she make sure that
further complaints will be treated | 0:56:52 | 0:56:58 | |
with the seriousness and respect
which they deserve and will not be | 0:56:58 | 0:57:00 | |
dismissed as they were last Friday
as grotesque exaggeration. The | 0:57:00 | 0:57:07 | |
leader of the house. As I've already
mentioned I certainly agree with the | 0:57:07 | 0:57:17 | |
honourable lady and it was the
aspiration of the working group to | 0:57:17 | 0:57:20 | |
cover all staff working here in
Parliament including staff of the | 0:57:20 | 0:57:27 | |
house in our independent complaints
procedure from the first day, and I | 0:57:27 | 0:57:29 | |
share her concern that we should now
take steps to make sure that that | 0:57:29 | 0:57:34 | |
does become the case as soon as that
independent policy is up and running | 0:57:34 | 0:57:39 | |
which we intend to be within three
months from now. Regarding the bond | 0:57:39 | 0:57:43 | |
about historic allegations she will
recall the working group made clear | 0:57:43 | 0:57:52 | |
we will deal with historic
allegations and it will be down to | 0:57:52 | 0:57:56 | |
the working group to establish how
that can be done. What the clerk of | 0:57:56 | 0:58:00 | |
the House of Commons has made clear
is that he will be looking to | 0:58:00 | 0:58:03 | |
provide that reassurance to House
staff that any historic allegations | 0:58:03 | 0:58:09 | |
will be properly dealt with in the
future. She mentions sanctions that | 0:58:09 | 0:58:14 | |
those must be independent, that has
been a part of the work of the | 0:58:14 | 0:58:18 | |
working group and we are now looking
very carefully and closely at how | 0:58:18 | 0:58:22 | |
that impacts on the work of the
independent Parliamentary | 0:58:22 | 0:58:24 | |
Commissioner for standards and the
standards committee itself where | 0:58:24 | 0:58:30 | |
there are both Parliamentary members
and lay members and that work is | 0:58:30 | 0:58:35 | |
ongoing and later today I'm looking
forward to meeting with the | 0:58:35 | 0:58:38 | |
standards committee to have exactly
the start of those discussions. She | 0:58:38 | 0:58:42 | |
mentions consent training and in the
working group we were clear that | 0:58:42 | 0:58:47 | |
consent training should be something
that all people not only who employ | 0:58:47 | 0:58:52 | |
staff but who come into contact with
other people, should be very clear | 0:58:52 | 0:58:55 | |
about what constitutes consent and
precisely what doesn't and I can | 0:58:55 | 0:59:04 | |
assure the honourable lady I'm clear
to provide the carrot that people | 0:59:04 | 0:59:08 | |
want to take up the training but we
did not have the levers at the time | 0:59:08 | 0:59:11 | |
as we said to make it compulsory.
And I totally share her desire to | 0:59:11 | 0:59:18 | |
see all staff here treated with the
dignity and respect that everybody | 0:59:18 | 0:59:21 | |
in this place deserves. Mark Harper.
Can I welcome what the leader of the | 0:59:21 | 0:59:31 | |
house said about her short inquiry,
and it seems to me a good test for | 0:59:31 | 0:59:34 | |
her to adopt is to make sure that
this house does what all | 0:59:34 | 0:59:38 | |
organisations should do which is to
make sure that everybody that works | 0:59:38 | 0:59:42 | |
here whether they work for members
of Parliament or they work for the | 0:59:42 | 0:59:46 | |
house have the same processes and
can be expecting to be treated to | 0:59:46 | 0:59:49 | |
the same high standards and can she
bring that measure in as soon as she | 0:59:49 | 0:59:56 | |
can. I completely agree and I can
assure him that that is the | 0:59:56 | 1:00:01 | |
aspiration of the working group and
that is my personal goal. Thank you. | 1:00:01 | 1:00:08 | |
It is noted that you have granted
the urgent question even though you | 1:00:08 | 1:00:13 | |
are one of the people mentioned in
media reports, but no one, critics | 1:00:13 | 1:00:17 | |
or otherwise can deny your
commitment to accountability and | 1:00:17 | 1:00:21 | |
transparency and attempt to move the
house forward, recognising diversity | 1:00:21 | 1:00:27 | |
and modern customs and practice. The
opposition take all allegations | 1:00:27 | 1:00:32 | |
seriously and we want to accommodate
everyone and I don't want to, Don | 1:00:32 | 1:00:39 | |
individual cases, that is a matter
for authorities, but I want to ask | 1:00:39 | 1:00:44 | |
the leader of the house, is she
aware of any formal complaints that | 1:00:44 | 1:00:47 | |
have been instigated on the basis of
the cases that have been reported | 1:00:47 | 1:00:49 | |
and if so when? She has suggested an
inquiry, and I'm very pleased that | 1:00:49 | 1:00:56 | |
we can have this discussion at the
commission and we look forward to | 1:00:56 | 1:00:59 | |
that. Some cases predate the respect
policy and I know that as a result | 1:00:59 | 1:01:05 | |
of the work streams following the
report of the working group into | 1:01:05 | 1:01:08 | |
sexual harassment and bullying that
that is also being amended and that | 1:01:08 | 1:01:13 | |
there will be a new behaviour code
and procedure that covers everyone | 1:01:13 | 1:01:17 | |
working on the estate and in our
constituencies. It is imperative | 1:01:17 | 1:01:23 | |
that all staff working here feel
they can raise any complaints and | 1:01:23 | 1:01:26 | |
grievances immediately. Can the
leader that has confirmed that she | 1:01:26 | 1:01:31 | |
would agree to the president of the
staff attending the steering group | 1:01:31 | 1:01:35 | |
which I previously requested. The
working group published its report | 1:01:35 | 1:01:42 | |
in 2018, the steering group is
monitoring the work carried out and | 1:01:42 | 1:01:47 | |
I'm pleased they said permanent
secretariat -- there is a permanent | 1:01:47 | 1:01:53 | |
secretariat. The further work is
being regressed to make sure that | 1:01:53 | 1:01:57 | |
the grievance policy put into place
is fair and robust. It is only when | 1:01:57 | 1:02:02 | |
that is tested will we know if they
work. There will be a continual | 1:02:02 | 1:02:08 | |
process to find them until they are
effective so everyone has confidence | 1:02:08 | 1:02:11 | |
in them. Can the leader of the house
say, and she has touched on the | 1:02:11 | 1:02:18 | |
figure of three months, but we need
to balance speed with making sure | 1:02:18 | 1:02:21 | |
there is an effective process,
whether this work will be completed | 1:02:21 | 1:02:25 | |
by three months or at least by
summer before the house rises? The | 1:02:25 | 1:02:31 | |
opposition Labour Party takes all
complaints of sexual harassment and | 1:02:31 | 1:02:34 | |
abuse and discrimination extremely
seriously so that anyone with a | 1:02:34 | 1:02:37 | |
complaint comes forward and that all
allegations can be fully | 1:02:37 | 1:02:43 | |
investigated and any appropriate
disciplinary action taken in line | 1:02:43 | 1:02:46 | |
with the party's procedures. All of
us have the utmost respect for the | 1:02:46 | 1:02:54 | |
house clerks and any of us have had
dealings with them on the various | 1:02:54 | 1:02:58 | |
select committees know they are
experts in their field and they | 1:02:58 | 1:03:01 | |
offer vital assistance and advice to
everyone. But I know everyone who | 1:03:01 | 1:03:08 | |
works in whatever capacity knows
that they play a vital role in | 1:03:08 | 1:03:13 | |
making sure that our Parliament and
our democracy thrives. The leader of | 1:03:13 | 1:03:19 | |
the house. I thank the shadow leader
of the house for her remarks and | 1:03:19 | 1:03:26 | |
also I'm grateful to her for the
part she played in the working group | 1:03:26 | 1:03:30 | |
on setting up the independent
complaints procedure and it was | 1:03:30 | 1:03:32 | |
notable that there was unanimous
support for establishment that | 1:03:32 | 1:03:39 | |
independent procedure which the
whole house can be very pleased | 1:03:39 | 1:03:41 | |
about. Regarding her specific
questions, GR is whether unaware of | 1:03:41 | 1:03:47 | |
specific formal complaints and it
was not in the terms of reference of | 1:03:47 | 1:03:51 | |
the working group -- she asks
whether I'm aware. It was not in the | 1:03:51 | 1:04:00 | |
terms of reference to consider
specific requests, but that I've had | 1:04:00 | 1:04:04 | |
a number of people come to me and
I've sought to deal where ever | 1:04:04 | 1:04:07 | |
possible with complaints that have
been brought to me but I don't | 1:04:07 | 1:04:09 | |
propose to discuss any specific
allegations in the chamber. She asks | 1:04:09 | 1:04:15 | |
about a review of the respect policy
for house staff and I can say to her | 1:04:15 | 1:04:23 | |
that reading from the letter of the
clerk of the house to house staff | 1:04:23 | 1:04:27 | |
today, he says there are unresolved
issues over bullying and harassment | 1:04:27 | 1:04:30 | |
including sexual harassment which
need to be addressed and the clerk | 1:04:30 | 1:04:33 | |
of the house goes on to say that we
will read this it and renew the | 1:04:33 | 1:04:36 | |
respect policy. -- revisit. She asks
whether the house authorities trade | 1:04:36 | 1:04:43 | |
union representative will be invited
to join the steering group and I | 1:04:43 | 1:04:48 | |
believe that has happened, and she
asks when will be finalised | 1:04:48 | 1:04:53 | |
procedures be finished. We have set
the aspiration that the bulk of it | 1:04:53 | 1:04:59 | |
is done within three months and
there will be a final vote in this | 1:04:59 | 1:05:06 | |
house on changes necessary to
standing orders and to adopt the | 1:05:06 | 1:05:09 | |
behaviour code and we certainly
expect and hope that will be before | 1:05:09 | 1:05:13 | |
the house rises in the summary says.
-- summer recess for the. Is it | 1:05:13 | 1:05:23 | |
appropriate for Mr speaker to remain
in his place when there are | 1:05:23 | 1:05:26 | |
allegations against him which he is
trying to suppress using taxpayer | 1:05:26 | 1:05:28 | |
funded money by sending out letters
through speakers cancelled. -- | 1:05:28 | 1:05:35 | |
speaker's council. The leader of the
house. It is vital that all | 1:05:35 | 1:05:41 | |
colleagues join together in
supporting the efforts being made by | 1:05:41 | 1:05:44 | |
this house to stamp out all bullying
and harassment where ever we see it | 1:05:44 | 1:05:48 | |
and to make sure that everybody will
be treated in the future with the | 1:05:48 | 1:05:53 | |
respect and dignity that they
deserve. Can I congratulate the | 1:05:53 | 1:06:03 | |
honourable lady for securing this
urgent question and she like me will | 1:06:03 | 1:06:06 | |
face these urgent questions, and it
is something that comes as it'll | 1:06:06 | 1:06:12 | |
surprise to any of us who has
listened to the evidence as part of | 1:06:12 | 1:06:17 | |
the working group -- little
surprise. This endemic culture has | 1:06:17 | 1:06:26 | |
got to be tackled and I'm sure the
house is confident in the | 1:06:26 | 1:06:29 | |
independent inquiry. Does the leader
of the house agree that historical | 1:06:29 | 1:06:36 | |
allegations must be considered and
does she support the view that we | 1:06:36 | 1:06:41 | |
will be helping victims past and
present if we respond to such | 1:06:41 | 1:06:45 | |
allegations? This is all part of the
normalisation of bullying and | 1:06:45 | 1:06:50 | |
harassment which continues to poison
our politics. ... And last, does she | 1:06:50 | 1:07:03 | |
share that all members, whether they
work for this house or members of | 1:07:03 | 1:07:08 | |
Parliament, are covered by the new
behaviour code and will have access | 1:07:08 | 1:07:13 | |
to the new complaints procedure as
quickly as possible. I would like to | 1:07:13 | 1:07:19 | |
pay tribute to the honourable
gentleman for his part in the | 1:07:19 | 1:07:21 | |
working group, he was assiduously
attending meetings and taking a full | 1:07:21 | 1:07:24 | |
part in the work and I'm grateful to
him for his contribution. He asked | 1:07:24 | 1:07:31 | |
how the independent inquiry will be
conducted and clearly my intention | 1:07:31 | 1:07:35 | |
is to make this proposal to the
house commission and it will be a | 1:07:35 | 1:07:38 | |
matter for the commission to agree
whether to do that or not at the | 1:07:38 | 1:07:43 | |
house commission is made up of a
number of members from across the | 1:07:43 | 1:07:45 | |
house including one from his own
party but I would like to sit | 1:07:45 | 1:07:51 | |
carried out by an independent
individual who can hear from past | 1:07:51 | 1:07:53 | |
and current members of the staff of
the house so that person can be free | 1:07:53 | 1:08:01 | |
of any input from either employers
or indeed parliamentarians. And | 1:08:01 | 1:08:06 | |
people can feel they can come
forward in confidence. I completely | 1:08:06 | 1:08:10 | |
agree with him, it would be letting
people down if we fail to deal with | 1:08:10 | 1:08:14 | |
it and it is vital that those who
have passed allegations who feel the | 1:08:14 | 1:08:19 | |
time has passed for them to doubt
with seriously, can achieve some | 1:08:19 | 1:08:22 | |
closure by coming forward and be
heard in that way, and I also agree | 1:08:22 | 1:08:27 | |
that it is demeaning to this house
and to all of us if we fail to get a | 1:08:27 | 1:08:31 | |
grip on it and that is why this
house has shown such commitment is | 1:08:31 | 1:08:36 | |
setting up an independent complaints
and grievance policy which is the | 1:08:36 | 1:08:38 | |
right way forward. | 1:08:38 | 1:08:43 | |
I very much welcome the leader's
statement, and she agree with me | 1:08:43 | 1:08:48 | |
that sometimes the accused can be
victims too? And that is why it is | 1:08:48 | 1:08:52 | |
so important that we have an
independent enquiry. But would she | 1:08:52 | 1:08:56 | |
also agree with me that the House of
Commons commission would not be an | 1:08:56 | 1:09:02 | |
independent judge or jury, and
indeed would not be seen to be as | 1:09:02 | 1:09:05 | |
such, simply because of the very
membership of that commission, and | 1:09:05 | 1:09:10 | |
that it does need to be an
independent individual, or group of | 1:09:10 | 1:09:14 | |
individuals? Of course my honourable
friend raises an important point, | 1:09:14 | 1:09:23 | |
and during the working group
evidence sessions, we were very | 1:09:23 | 1:09:26 | |
conscious that it is important to
protect both complainants, who are | 1:09:26 | 1:09:30 | |
at the heart of the independent
complaints procedure, but also the | 1:09:30 | 1:09:34 | |
alleged perpetrator. It is important
that justice is seen to be done, and | 1:09:34 | 1:09:39 | |
that all parties are properly
supported. He is also right to say | 1:09:39 | 1:09:44 | |
that an enquiry led by the house
commission could not be independent, | 1:09:44 | 1:09:48 | |
which is why my recommendation to
the house commission would be that | 1:09:48 | 1:09:51 | |
it should be an independently lead
enquiry into allegations of | 1:09:51 | 1:09:55 | |
bullying. Can I say to the Leader of
the House that when she chooses, as | 1:09:55 | 1:10:03 | |
she has done today, to focus on the
thoroughness and decency of the | 1:10:03 | 1:10:09 | |
process of dealing with these
issues, she will get support from | 1:10:09 | 1:10:11 | |
right across this house? And she has
mentioned several times the | 1:10:11 | 1:10:18 | |
involvement of trade union
representatives, so would she just | 1:10:18 | 1:10:22 | |
join me in asserting that it is
right that members of our staff and | 1:10:22 | 1:10:25 | |
members of staff of this house are
members of trade unions if they | 1:10:25 | 1:10:30 | |
choose to be, and that their
representatives ought to be involved | 1:10:30 | 1:10:34 | |
at every stage of this process? The
honourable lady gives me the | 1:10:34 | 1:10:41 | |
opportunity to thank and pay tribute
to the very good staff | 1:10:41 | 1:10:44 | |
representatives who were on the
working group, a representative from | 1:10:44 | 1:10:51 | |
Unite, working as a researcher for a
member of the Labour Party, the | 1:10:51 | 1:10:56 | |
representative of the members and
peers staff Association who works | 1:10:56 | 1:11:01 | |
for a member of the Conservative
Party and a representative of the | 1:11:01 | 1:11:05 | |
NUJ, who works for the Scottish
Nationalists here. They all made a | 1:11:05 | 1:11:08 | |
great contribution and are to be
commended for their contributions. | 1:11:08 | 1:11:14 | |
Does my right honourable friend
agree that unfortunately the system | 1:11:14 | 1:11:17 | |
we have at the moment is that House
of Commons staff believe that they | 1:11:17 | 1:11:22 | |
make a complaint about bullying and
harassment it would be taken | 1:11:22 | 1:11:25 | |
seriously and secondly they believe
it will be seriously detrimental to | 1:11:25 | 1:11:30 | |
their future career? I welcome the
fact we will have an independent | 1:11:30 | 1:11:33 | |
investigation into the allegations
we heard on Newsnight. When will | 1:11:33 | 1:11:37 | |
that start and when will it
complete? The house commission meets | 1:11:37 | 1:11:41 | |
next Monday. I will be making that
recommendation there and then that | 1:11:41 | 1:11:46 | |
will start as soon as possible. The
house is exceptionally well served | 1:11:46 | 1:11:53 | |
by de Klerk star. I think that is a
matter of common accord, so surely I | 1:11:53 | 1:11:58 | |
hope it goes without saying that
these complaints required to be | 1:11:58 | 1:12:02 | |
investigated with the rigour in a
conference of and independently. Mr | 1:12:02 | 1:12:08 | |
Speaker, when you and I first
entered the house, the house was | 1:12:08 | 1:12:12 | |
almost entirely self-regulating. The
position today is very, very | 1:12:12 | 1:12:16 | |
different, but that change has come
in a way that is piecemeal. What | 1:12:16 | 1:12:22 | |
surely now is required is a proper
comprehensibility again at the | 1:12:22 | 1:12:28 | |
question of Parliamentary privilege
and self-regulation. So can I say in | 1:12:28 | 1:12:34 | |
welcoming the short independent
enquiry that the leader seeks to | 1:12:34 | 1:12:37 | |
establish that once that is done,
she should apply her mind to | 1:12:37 | 1:12:40 | |
revisiting the work of the joint
committee set up in 1998 to look at | 1:12:40 | 1:12:46 | |
the question of the extent of
definition of Parliamentary | 1:12:46 | 1:12:53 | |
privilege? I think the right
honourable gentleman makes a very | 1:12:53 | 1:12:56 | |
interesting observation and I will
certainly look at it. Does the | 1:12:56 | 1:13:01 | |
Leader of the House agree with me
that every single individual | 1:13:01 | 1:13:05 | |
complete made against a member
reflects badly on each and every one | 1:13:05 | 1:13:09 | |
of us in this place? And given the
Newsnight allegation that the | 1:13:09 | 1:13:12 | |
policies and play was not up to
scratch, and certainly was something | 1:13:12 | 1:13:16 | |
we decided amongst ourselves, though
she agree with me that we not only | 1:13:16 | 1:13:21 | |
need an independent investigation
but we also need an external | 1:13:21 | 1:13:24 | |
independent body to establish our
board policy going forward? I hope I | 1:13:24 | 1:13:31 | |
can reassure my honourable friend
that the independence grievance | 1:13:31 | 1:13:34 | |
policy we are in the process of
establishing will ensure that the | 1:13:34 | 1:13:38 | |
culture in this place changes to the
benefit of all who work here. But I | 1:13:38 | 1:13:42 | |
would also just like to say that
many honourable members are very | 1:13:42 | 1:13:48 | |
troubled by these allegations. That
is as ever a small minority of | 1:13:48 | 1:13:52 | |
people who behave badly and he is
right to point out that it demeans | 1:13:52 | 1:13:55 | |
all of us when a fewer of us behave
badly. Mr Speaker, having been in | 1:13:55 | 1:14:01 | |
the house quite a long time, I
recall in nearly days that if | 1:14:01 | 1:14:07 | |
warnings to particularly young women
of this house was not just a certain | 1:14:07 | 1:14:10 | |
small group of members of parliament
but some senior clerks who were | 1:14:10 | 1:14:14 | |
known to be bullies, and as chair of
the anti-bullying group of MPs for | 1:14:14 | 1:14:20 | |
some years, I have been fighting
everyone's corner in that respect, | 1:14:20 | 1:14:24 | |
and I have to say in recent years I
have never known a speaker as | 1:14:24 | 1:14:30 | |
strong, in terms of reforming that
particular part of our lives. But | 1:14:30 | 1:14:34 | |
can I urge her to get on with as
quickly. We want justice to be seen | 1:14:34 | 1:14:39 | |
and to be seen to be done, but I
also want this committee to know | 1:14:39 | 1:14:45 | |
there are certain, only a tiny
minority of members of this house | 1:14:45 | 1:14:48 | |
have used this, it is a must like a
new kind of McCarthyism, you know, | 1:14:48 | 1:14:51 | |
to name someone from someone is put
into purge on that side or the side | 1:14:51 | 1:14:57 | |
with no redress, dreadful things
happening to their families, one | 1:14:57 | 1:15:02 | |
doesn't even know what happens to
the families and the members who are | 1:15:02 | 1:15:08 | |
accused. There is a danger of a kind
of political McCarthyism that we | 1:15:08 | 1:15:11 | |
also have two stamp out in this
place. So again I would remind the | 1:15:11 | 1:15:16 | |
honourable gentleman the independent
complaints procedure will be exactly | 1:15:16 | 1:15:20 | |
that, it will be independent, it
will be confidential, so that | 1:15:20 | 1:15:23 | |
complainants who very often don't
want to come forward, for fear of | 1:15:23 | 1:15:26 | |
having to then deal with the person
they are accusing, so they will come | 1:15:26 | 1:15:32 | |
forward in confidence. The alleged
perpetrator will also be able to | 1:15:32 | 1:15:37 | |
have their side of the story hurt in
confidence. There will therefore be | 1:15:37 | 1:15:42 | |
natural justice rules applied to the
entire process, but there will also | 1:15:42 | 1:15:46 | |
be very serious sanctions for
wrongdoing. I genuinely believe that | 1:15:46 | 1:15:49 | |
this work will change the culture in
Parliament. It will take us to a new | 1:15:49 | 1:15:53 | |
stage where people can come forward
and it will make people think twice | 1:15:53 | 1:15:57 | |
about some of their attitudes. I
appreciate there may be problems | 1:15:57 | 1:16:02 | |
with definition. Lots of these cases
would have been investigated and | 1:16:02 | 1:16:06 | |
often at best the details will be
sketchy at this stage. But can the | 1:16:06 | 1:16:10 | |
Leader of the House give a house an
indication of the scale of this | 1:16:10 | 1:16:13 | |
issue? How many cases of abuse of
house or members staff have been | 1:16:13 | 1:16:18 | |
brought to her attention in her
recent dealings with this issue? I | 1:16:18 | 1:16:24 | |
don't really think I can give my
honourable friend and idea of the | 1:16:24 | 1:16:30 | |
scale of the problem. I think like
all honourable members different | 1:16:30 | 1:16:34 | |
cases appear in the media and it is
very difficult to understand the | 1:16:34 | 1:16:39 | |
enormity and range of the problem.
But suffice to say that going | 1:16:39 | 1:16:43 | |
forward I think across this house we
are determined to see change for the | 1:16:43 | 1:16:46 | |
better. I welcome the Leader of the
House's emphasis she has placed on | 1:16:46 | 1:16:52 | |
June process, -- due process, and
complainants have to be taken | 1:16:52 | 1:16:59 | |
seriously. The person who is being
complaint against also has rights | 1:16:59 | 1:17:04 | |
and a case should be heard on the
basis of evidence. I think that is | 1:17:04 | 1:17:08 | |
really a potent in this whole
process will stop Krygios of say a | 1:17:08 | 1:17:11 | |
word about the independent
commission of Parliamentary | 1:17:11 | 1:17:15 | |
standards that we currently have,
and they can be put to the | 1:17:15 | 1:17:22 | |
Parliamentary privileges committee.
That is also a route that needs to | 1:17:22 | 1:17:26 | |
be incorporated into the new process
she is envisaging. The honourable | 1:17:26 | 1:17:31 | |
gentleman is exactly right and
indeed that is part of the process. | 1:17:31 | 1:17:34 | |
Very specifically, it is heard in
confidence, and if there is a | 1:17:34 | 1:17:40 | |
finding against the alleged
perpetrator that would then in the | 1:17:40 | 1:17:43 | |
case of a member of Parliament being
complained about go to the | 1:17:43 | 1:17:48 | |
Parliamentary Commissioner for
standards, who would either carry | 1:17:48 | 1:17:49 | |
out an appeal and look at the
evidence again or find against the | 1:17:49 | 1:17:55 | |
member, or find that there is no
cause to answer, and then she will | 1:17:55 | 1:17:59 | |
have expanded sanctions at a lower
level, or indeed she will pass it | 1:17:59 | 1:18:02 | |
onto the committee for standards for
them to consider, including | 1:18:02 | 1:18:06 | |
recommending suspension to this
house, which could lead to the | 1:18:06 | 1:18:10 | |
recall of members of Parliament act
2015 being invoked. Does the Leader | 1:18:10 | 1:18:17 | |
of the House agree that any member
of staff who feels that he or she | 1:18:17 | 1:18:24 | |
has been bullied must have an
absolute guarantee that their career | 1:18:24 | 1:18:30 | |
will not suffer in any way if they
make a complaint? And if they have | 1:18:30 | 1:18:37 | |
that guarantee, does she agree that
the reputation of members of | 1:18:37 | 1:18:42 | |
Parliament should not be sullied by
accusations that they are bullies | 1:18:42 | 1:18:46 | |
unless a complaint against them has
actually been made? Yes, I think my | 1:18:46 | 1:18:53 | |
honourable friend sums it up very
well. It is vital that complainants | 1:18:53 | 1:18:57 | |
are protected, so they can come
forward in confidence and not be | 1:18:57 | 1:19:01 | |
further victimised, but it is also
essential that people who are | 1:19:01 | 1:19:06 | |
complained about have the
opportunity to put their side of the | 1:19:06 | 1:19:09 | |
story, and to receive proper
justice. Can I commend the leader of | 1:19:09 | 1:19:19 | |
this house on their counterparts and
indeed you yourself Mr Speaker in | 1:19:19 | 1:19:22 | |
response to these issues so far. As
the Leader of the House agree with | 1:19:22 | 1:19:25 | |
me that this is a moment for each
and every one of us to reflect on | 1:19:25 | 1:19:30 | |
our behaviour and constantly reflect
on our behaviour? Because it is not | 1:19:30 | 1:19:34 | |
about what we judge to deem the
appropriate behaviour but how we | 1:19:34 | 1:19:39 | |
make others feel is the critical
issue, and that is why the | 1:19:39 | 1:19:43 | |
independent nature of her proposals
is so critical, because this has to | 1:19:43 | 1:19:46 | |
be without political fear or favour,
or political campaigns against | 1:19:46 | 1:19:52 | |
opponents or anybody else, so that
people can come forward in that | 1:19:52 | 1:19:54 | |
regard. Yes, she's exactly right.
The power dynamic, the idea that you | 1:19:54 | 1:20:01 | |
behave is not necessarily how you
are seen to behave, is incredibly | 1:20:01 | 1:20:06 | |
important in this, and certainly in
the working Group evidence we took a | 1:20:06 | 1:20:09 | |
lot of witness statements about
exactly that and it is vital that we | 1:20:09 | 1:20:15 | |
take that into account. Due process
sometimes takes a very long time. | 1:20:15 | 1:20:22 | |
Could I ask the Leader of the House
too insular that due process pull to | 1:20:22 | 1:20:28 | |
ensure that due process should be as
speedily as possible in the case of | 1:20:28 | 1:20:31 | |
everyone? I completely agree with my
honourable friend and I think we are | 1:20:31 | 1:20:36 | |
quite proud that we move very
quickly with the independent | 1:20:36 | 1:20:40 | |
complaints procedure but at the same
time we are doing a thorough job and | 1:20:40 | 1:20:43 | |
that is our plan. The industrial
tribunal has to be registered under | 1:20:43 | 1:20:51 | |
the Ministry of Justice. In the
interest of transparency, will the | 1:20:51 | 1:20:56 | |
Leader of the House publish all
industrial tribunal applications | 1:20:56 | 1:21:02 | |
that have been registered against
members of Parliament or indeed | 1:21:02 | 1:21:04 | |
against the House of Commons? I
don't believe that would be a matter | 1:21:04 | 1:21:10 | |
for me that I would certainly look
into it. Thank you, Mr Speaker. Can | 1:21:10 | 1:21:17 | |
I put on record my support for the
work that the Leader of the House | 1:21:17 | 1:21:21 | |
and the speaker and all the numbers
have been doing since November on | 1:21:21 | 1:21:26 | |
this issue. She agree with me that
we need to take the politics out of | 1:21:26 | 1:21:29 | |
this altogether? If people are to
have confidence that we truly are | 1:21:29 | 1:21:35 | |
listening, that victims will be
believed and that we will have a | 1:21:35 | 1:21:39 | |
proper process, then it is time for
professionals, not the press or | 1:21:39 | 1:21:44 | |
political expediency, to lead this
process? I completely agree with the | 1:21:44 | 1:21:49 | |
honourable lady, the Independent is
absolutely vital. I can assure you I | 1:21:49 | 1:21:56 | |
have great respect for all staff I
work with, but I was also the guinea | 1:21:56 | 1:22:00 | |
pig in 2012 after a record phone
hacking report for the original | 1:22:00 | 1:22:05 | |
respect policy. I was flayed by
selective leaking then six years ago | 1:22:05 | 1:22:10 | |
and it has just happened again now,
so I would ask the Leader of the | 1:22:10 | 1:22:14 | |
House and honourable members before
they jump to judgment after what was | 1:22:14 | 1:22:18 | |
a very one-sided selective BBC
broadcast that they approached the | 1:22:18 | 1:22:20 | |
cases that have been raised in a
more balanced way, and that they | 1:22:20 | 1:22:24 | |
also consider the reasons why the
original respect policy was scrapped | 1:22:24 | 1:22:29 | |
in the first place as not fit for
purpose. But they also give | 1:22:29 | 1:22:35 | |
consideration to the disparity of
report of MPs that are complained | 1:22:35 | 1:22:38 | |
against especially when the
complaints have the backing of the | 1:22:38 | 1:22:41 | |
very well resourced First Division
's Association in particular. | 1:22:41 | 1:22:45 | |
Perhaps finally I might ask the
house to consider why historical old | 1:22:45 | 1:22:49 | |
allegations like this are being
selected and recycled now and by | 1:22:49 | 1:22:52 | |
whom, because whatever is at play,
this is not a game, for reputations | 1:22:52 | 1:22:56 | |
or families. What I've would say to
the honourable gentleman is that the | 1:22:56 | 1:23:04 | |
advantage of an independent
complaints procedure is that it | 1:23:04 | 1:23:09 | |
exists, and will exist, for people
to be able to come forward with | 1:23:09 | 1:23:12 | |
confidence, and with
confidentiality, and what that means | 1:23:12 | 1:23:16 | |
is they at long last to have
somewhere they can go and make their | 1:23:16 | 1:23:20 | |
complaint without just going
straight to the press, which, as he | 1:23:20 | 1:23:23 | |
raises, has caused some
difficulties. | 1:23:23 | 1:23:33 | |
The working group recommends
training by the end of Parliament | 1:23:33 | 1:23:35 | |
and clearly that is inappropriate,
with they make sure that everyone | 1:23:35 | 1:23:39 | |
has face-to-face training within
this year? -- with they make sure. | 1:23:39 | 1:23:45 | |
You're not quite right, trading is
essential for all members across the | 1:23:45 | 1:23:48 | |
house in a wide variety of areas --
training. There are measures brought | 1:23:48 | 1:23:53 | |
forward to encourage people to take
training and we have said in their | 1:23:53 | 1:23:56 | |
in Dutch and new members will
receive compulsory training -- in | 1:23:56 | 1:24:01 | |
their induction. Could the leader of
the house clarify that if a member | 1:24:01 | 1:24:06 | |
of the House of Commons staff raises
a complaint in the next few days, | 1:24:06 | 1:24:12 | |
what policy or procedure with that
complaint be dealt with? Currently | 1:24:12 | 1:24:17 | |
members of house staff who are
complaining about allegations of | 1:24:17 | 1:24:23 | |
bullying or inappropriate behaviour
will come under the house respect | 1:24:23 | 1:24:26 | |
policy which was established a few
years back. What the working group | 1:24:26 | 1:24:32 | |
is doing is creating an independent
and paints procedure and the house | 1:24:32 | 1:24:37 | |
staff were not going to be subject
or able to take advantage of the | 1:24:37 | 1:24:41 | |
independent complaints procedure and
it is that that we now want to look | 1:24:41 | 1:24:45 | |
at again -- independent complaints
procedure. I have huge respect for | 1:24:45 | 1:24:52 | |
the staff of this | 1:24:52 | 1:24:54 | |
and my experiences have been
excellent, but can I add my voice to | 1:24:56 | 1:25:02 | |
those who are calling for due
process, we have got to be | 1:25:02 | 1:25:11 | |
respectful of the complainant and
the subject of the complaint, and we | 1:25:11 | 1:25:20 | |
have got to be wary of prejudicing
any process or give the impression | 1:25:20 | 1:25:23 | |
that it is politicised or
personalised in the way they | 1:25:23 | 1:25:28 | |
approach it. What I can say, the
working group put the complainant at | 1:25:28 | 1:25:34 | |
the heart of this procedure and what
was very clear from the evidence is | 1:25:34 | 1:25:38 | |
that people will only come forward
if they feel they will be treated in | 1:25:38 | 1:25:42 | |
confidence and then they won't be
plastered all over the newspapers. | 1:25:42 | 1:25:52 | |
Bullying and harassment occur in all
walks of life and in all | 1:25:52 | 1:25:56 | |
professions, and whilst important if
the person is listened to and the | 1:25:56 | 1:25:59 | |
matter is investigated
independently, but, we must also | 1:25:59 | 1:26:04 | |
remember that the golden thread that
runs between our English law which | 1:26:04 | 1:26:08 | |
is you are innocent until proven
guilty. Yes, the laws of natural | 1:26:08 | 1:26:14 | |
justice have been applied to the new
independent complaints procedure. | 1:26:14 | 1:26:21 | |
When I was a unite rap in the NHS I
represented members on both sides on | 1:26:21 | 1:26:26 | |
bullying and harassment cases --
representative. One thing that would | 1:26:26 | 1:26:32 | |
have made it difficult was if there
had been a two tier system in | 1:26:32 | 1:26:36 | |
operation and so will the leader
make sure that we moved to a system | 1:26:36 | 1:26:41 | |
of robust policy for everyone that
works in this house? I can certainly | 1:26:41 | 1:26:49 | |
tell the honourable lady that it was
the ambition of the working group | 1:26:49 | 1:26:52 | |
that everyone here would have access
to the independent complaints | 1:26:52 | 1:26:55 | |
procedure and it is our intention to
look at that again. Chris Brown. | 1:26:55 | 1:26:59 | |
Even today the vast majority of LGB
-- LGBT students will face bullying | 1:26:59 | 1:27:13 | |
and that is why they are more likely
to take their own lives, many | 1:27:13 | 1:27:16 | |
schools have said let's build a
tolerance school but sometimes that | 1:27:16 | 1:27:20 | |
feels as if we are being tolerated
as homosexuals. The keyword is | 1:27:20 | 1:27:26 | |
respect, for one another, whatever
our political views and whatever our | 1:27:26 | 1:27:31 | |
agenda and whatever our religious
views, and the anyway we can change | 1:27:31 | 1:27:37 | |
that culture is if we make sure that
every single one of us is fully and | 1:27:37 | 1:27:40 | |
properly trained, not only the first
time you come into this house, but | 1:27:40 | 1:27:46 | |
every time we are returned by our
voters. I agree, respect is key and | 1:27:46 | 1:27:52 | |
that's what we are determined to
achieve, workplace environment in | 1:27:52 | 1:27:56 | |
Parliament that is amongst the best
in the world and that treats | 1:27:56 | 1:27:59 | |
everyone with the respect and
dignity they deserve. We have noted | 1:27:59 | 1:28:04 | |
each other Mr speaker, -- known each
other, Mr speaker, for many years, | 1:28:04 | 1:28:12 | |
we have had strong and heated
disagreements about many issues over | 1:28:12 | 1:28:16 | |
the years, and I could not be
described as a cheerleader by any | 1:28:16 | 1:28:20 | |
means, but I do think there has got
to be a fair and proper process and | 1:28:20 | 1:28:23 | |
it can't be based on anonymous
briefings to the press and it can't | 1:28:23 | 1:28:27 | |
be based on political disagreements
and it can't be based on score | 1:28:27 | 1:28:31 | |
settling. The leader of the house. I
would say that the whole purpose of | 1:28:31 | 1:28:40 | |
the independent complaints and
grievance policy is to make sure | 1:28:40 | 1:28:42 | |
that there is justice for the
complainant and also for the person | 1:28:42 | 1:28:47 | |
alleged to have carried out the
wrongdoing. Thank you. Order. | 1:28:47 | 1:28:53 | |
Statement, the Prime Minister. With
permission I would like to update | 1:28:53 | 1:29:00 | |
the House on the incident in
Salisbury and the steps we are | 1:29:00 | 1:29:03 | |
taking to investigate what happened
and to respond to this reckless and | 1:29:03 | 1:29:07 | |
despicable act. Last week my right
honourable friend is the foreign and | 1:29:07 | 1:29:12 | |
Home Secretary 's set out the
details of events as they unfolded | 1:29:12 | 1:29:16 | |
on Sunday the 4th of March and I'm
sure the whole house will want to | 1:29:16 | 1:29:21 | |
once again paid tribute to the
bravery and professionalism of our | 1:29:21 | 1:29:24 | |
emergency services and Armed Forces
in responding to this incident as | 1:29:24 | 1:29:29 | |
well as the doctors and nurses who
are treating those affected. Our | 1:29:29 | 1:29:33 | |
thoughts in but it can with
Detective Sergeant Nick Bailey who | 1:29:33 | 1:29:37 | |
remains in a serious but stable
condition -- our thoughts in | 1:29:37 | 1:29:42 | |
particular. He exemplified the duty
and courage that define our | 1:29:42 | 1:29:44 | |
emergency services and which our
nation the greatest pride. I want to | 1:29:44 | 1:29:50 | |
pay tribute to the fortitude and
calmness with which people in | 1:29:50 | 1:29:55 | |
Salisbury have responded to these
events and to thank all those in | 1:29:55 | 1:29:59 | |
come forward to assist the police
with their investigation. This | 1:29:59 | 1:30:04 | |
incident has of course caused
considerable concern across the | 1:30:04 | 1:30:07 | |
community and following the
discussion of traces of nerve agent | 1:30:07 | 1:30:11 | |
in the restaurant and the pub, the
Chief Medical Officer issued further | 1:30:11 | 1:30:16 | |
advice, but as Public Health England
have made clear the risk to public | 1:30:16 | 1:30:19 | |
health is very low. I share the
impatience of this house and the | 1:30:19 | 1:30:25 | |
country at large to bring those
responsible to justice and to take | 1:30:25 | 1:30:28 | |
the full range of appropriate
responses against those who would | 1:30:28 | 1:30:32 | |
act against our country in this way.
But as a nation that believes in | 1:30:32 | 1:30:38 | |
justice and the rule of law it is
essential that we proceed in the | 1:30:38 | 1:30:41 | |
right way led not by speculation but
by the evidence. That is why we have | 1:30:41 | 1:30:47 | |
given the police the space and time
to carry out their investigation | 1:30:47 | 1:30:51 | |
properly, hundreds of others as have
been working round the clock | 1:30:51 | 1:30:54 | |
together with experts from the Armed
Forces to assess all the available | 1:30:54 | 1:30:59 | |
evidence and to identify crime
scenes and decontamination sites and | 1:30:59 | 1:31:03 | |
to follow every possible lead to
find those responsible. That | 1:31:03 | 1:31:08 | |
investigation continues and we must
allow the police to continue with | 1:31:08 | 1:31:10 | |
their work. This morning I chaired a
meeting of the national security | 1:31:10 | 1:31:16 | |
council in which we considered the
information so far available. As is | 1:31:16 | 1:31:21 | |
normal decals was updated on the
assessment and intelligence picture | 1:31:21 | 1:31:23 | |
as well as the state of the
investigation -- as is normal the | 1:31:23 | 1:31:28 | |
council was updated. It is clear
that Sergei Skripal and his daughter | 1:31:28 | 1:31:31 | |
were poisoned with a military grade
nerve agent of eight type developed | 1:31:31 | 1:31:36 | |
by Russia and this is part of a
group of nerve agents. Based on the | 1:31:36 | 1:31:41 | |
positive identification of this
chemical agent by world leading | 1:31:41 | 1:31:44 | |
experts at the defence science and
technology laboratory, our knowledge | 1:31:44 | 1:31:50 | |
that Russia has been reproduced this
ageing and would still be capable of | 1:31:50 | 1:31:54 | |
doing so -- this agent. Russia's
record of sponsoring state | 1:31:54 | 1:31:59 | |
assassinations and our view that
Russia sees some defectors as | 1:31:59 | 1:32:08 | |
legitimate targets for assassination
and so the government has concluded | 1:32:08 | 1:32:11 | |
that Russia was highly likely to be
responsible for the act against | 1:32:11 | 1:32:16 | |
Sergei Skripal and Yulia Skripal,
and there are only two possible | 1:32:16 | 1:32:20 | |
explanation for what happened.
Either this was a direct act by the | 1:32:20 | 1:32:27 | |
Russian State or the Russian
government lost control of its | 1:32:27 | 1:32:30 | |
potentially catastrophically
damaging nerve agent and allowed it | 1:32:30 | 1:32:32 | |
to get into the hands of others. My
right honourable friend the Foreign | 1:32:32 | 1:32:37 | |
Secretary has some of the Russian
ambassador to the Foreign and | 1:32:37 | 1:32:40 | |
Commonwealth Office and asked him to
explain which of these two | 1:32:40 | 1:32:45 | |
possibilities it is. Therefore to
account for how this Russian | 1:32:45 | 1:32:49 | |
produced nerve agent could have been
deployed in Salisbury against Sergei | 1:32:49 | 1:32:54 | |
Skripal and his daughter. My right
honourable friend has stated to the | 1:32:54 | 1:32:59 | |
ambassador that the Russian
Federation must immediately provide | 1:32:59 | 1:33:02 | |
full and complete disclosure of the
nerve agent programme for the | 1:33:02 | 1:33:09 | |
Prohibition of chemical weapons and
he is requested the ration | 1:33:09 | 1:33:13 | |
government was not response by the
end of tomorrow. This action has | 1:33:13 | 1:33:17 | |
happened against a backdrop of a
well-established pattern of Russian | 1:33:17 | 1:33:20 | |
state aggression. Russia's illegal
annexation of Crimea was the first | 1:33:20 | 1:33:25 | |
time since the Second World War that
one sovereign nation has forcibly | 1:33:25 | 1:33:28 | |
taken territory from another in
Europe and Russia has fermented | 1:33:28 | 1:33:36 | |
conflict in the Dundas and violated
the airspace of several countries | 1:33:36 | 1:33:42 | |
and this is included meddling in
elections and packing the Danish | 1:33:42 | 1:33:48 | |
Ministry of Defence and the
Bundestag. During his recent State | 1:33:48 | 1:33:53 | |
of the union address Vladimir Putin
showed video graphics of missile | 1:33:53 | 1:33:58 | |
launches and fight to deck trees and
explosions including the modelling | 1:33:58 | 1:34:03 | |
of a attack on the United States
with a series of warheads impacting | 1:34:03 | 1:34:06 | |
in Florida while the extrajudicial
killing of terrorists outside Russia | 1:34:06 | 1:34:12 | |
were given legal sanction by the
Russian parliament in 2006. And of | 1:34:12 | 1:34:18 | |
course Russia used radiological
substances in its barbaric assault | 1:34:18 | 1:34:24 | |
on Alexander Litvinenko, weasel
promises to assist the investigation | 1:34:24 | 1:34:26 | |
then but they resulted in denial --
we saw promises. And the stifling of | 1:34:26 | 1:34:35 | |
due process and the rule of law, and
following the death of Alexander | 1:34:35 | 1:34:39 | |
Litvinenko we expel Russian
diplomats and suspended co-operation | 1:34:39 | 1:34:43 | |
and broke off bilateral plans and
froze the assets of the suspects and | 1:34:43 | 1:34:47 | |
put them on international
extradition lists and these measures | 1:34:47 | 1:34:50 | |
remain in place. Furthermore our
commitment to collective defence and | 1:34:50 | 1:34:55 | |
security through Nato remains as
strong as ever in the face of | 1:34:55 | 1:34:58 | |
Russian behaviour and indeed our
Armed Forces have a leading role in | 1:34:58 | 1:35:03 | |
Nato's enhanced with presence with
British troops leading a group in | 1:35:03 | 1:35:11 | |
Estonia and we have led the way in
securing TASS actions against the | 1:35:11 | 1:35:13 | |
Russian economy and we have at all
stages worked closely with our | 1:35:13 | 1:35:24 | |
allies and we must now stand ready
to take more extensive measures for | 1:35:24 | 1:35:27 | |
the Wednesday we will consider in
detail the response from the Russian | 1:35:27 | 1:35:31 | |
state and should there be no
credible response we will conclude | 1:35:31 | 1:35:33 | |
that this action amounts to an
unlawful use of force by the Russian | 1:35:33 | 1:35:38 | |
state against the UK. And I will
come back to this house and set out | 1:35:38 | 1:35:45 | |
the full range of measures that we
will take in response. This | 1:35:45 | 1:35:49 | |
attempted murder using a weapons
grade nerve agent in a British town | 1:35:49 | 1:35:55 | |
was not just a crime against Sergei
Skripal and his daughter, it was an | 1:35:55 | 1:35:59 | |
indiscriminate and reckless act
against the UK putting the lives of | 1:35:59 | 1:36:03 | |
innocent civilians at risk. And we
will not tolerate such a brazen | 1:36:03 | 1:36:07 | |
attempt to murder innocent civilians
on our soil. I commend this | 1:36:07 | 1:36:12 | |
statement to the house. Jeremy
Corbyn. I would like to thank the | 1:36:12 | 1:36:20 | |
Prime Minister in advance... For an
advance copy of her statement on | 1:36:20 | 1:36:24 | |
this deeply alarming attack which
raises very serious questions. The | 1:36:24 | 1:36:29 | |
whole house condemns the suspected
poisoning of Sergei Skripal and his | 1:36:29 | 1:36:32 | |
daughter in Salisbury and of course
we wish them a return to good | 1:36:32 | 1:36:35 | |
health. I'm sure the whole house
will join me in wishing Detective | 1:36:35 | 1:36:40 | |
Sergeant Nick Bailey a speedy
recovery as well, no member of our | 1:36:40 | 1:36:44 | |
police force and nobody on the
streets of Britain should ever face | 1:36:44 | 1:36:47 | |
such an attack that alone with
chemical weapons. I thank the Prime | 1:36:47 | 1:36:53 | |
Minister for updating the house, the
investigation into the shocking | 1:36:53 | 1:36:57 | |
events in Salisbury must reach its
conclusions and we need to see the | 1:36:57 | 1:37:01 | |
evidence and a full account from the
Russian authorities in light of | 1:37:01 | 1:37:07 | |
emerging evidence that the Prime
Minister has just referred to. For | 1:37:07 | 1:37:11 | |
now can the Prime Minister clarify
what level of threat it was believed | 1:37:11 | 1:37:16 | |
Sergei Skripal faced at the time of
the attack and what security | 1:37:16 | 1:37:20 | |
protection if any was deemed
necessary for him and his daughter? | 1:37:20 | 1:37:26 | |
This morning the Conservative chair
of the Foreign Affairs Committee | 1:37:26 | 1:37:30 | |
said, I would be surprised if the
Prime Minister did not point the | 1:37:30 | 1:37:38 | |
finger at the Kremlin, and the
honourable man but also accused the | 1:37:38 | 1:37:45 | |
Russians of -- honourable member
also accused the Russians of | 1:37:45 | 1:37:49 | |
behaving aggressively in this
country for the we need a dialogue | 1:37:49 | 1:37:53 | |
in Russia with all the issues in our
country both domestic and | 1:37:53 | 1:37:57 | |
international, rather than simply
cutting off contact and letting the | 1:37:57 | 1:37:59 | |
tensions and divisions get worse and
potentially even more dangerous. | 1:37:59 | 1:38:08 | |
Mr Speaker, we are all familiar with
the way huge fortunes often acquired | 1:38:08 | 1:38:13 | |
in the most dubious circumstances in
Russia sometimes connected with | 1:38:13 | 1:38:16 | |
criminal elements have ended up
sheltering in London and trying to | 1:38:16 | 1:38:22 | |
buy political influence in British
party politics. Meddling in | 1:38:22 | 1:38:28 | |
elections, as the Prime Minister put
it, and there has been over £800,000 | 1:38:28 | 1:38:33 | |
worth of donations to the
Conservative Party from Russian | 1:38:33 | 1:38:40 | |
oligarchs and their associates. So,
Mr Speaker, if that is the evidence | 1:38:40 | 1:38:54 | |
before the government even before
the investigation into Salisbury is | 1:38:54 | 1:38:57 | |
complete, the government could be
taking action to introduce new | 1:38:57 | 1:39:05 | |
financial sanctions powers. But
instead, Mr Speaker, they are | 1:39:05 | 1:39:11 | |
currently resisting Labour's
amendments to sanctions and | 1:39:11 | 1:39:16 | |
money-laundering bell, which could
introduce the so-called magnate Skip | 1:39:16 | 1:39:22 | |
ours, so will the Prime Minister
agreed today to back those | 1:39:22 | 1:39:28 | |
amendments to the money-laundering
bell? More specifically... Order, | 1:39:28 | 1:39:39 | |
there can be strongly held opinions
and inflamed passions, but I do | 1:39:39 | 1:39:43 | |
appear to colleagues who sincerity
and integrity I don't doubt to | 1:39:43 | 1:39:48 | |
remember that we hear views, and
other colleagues will be heard, but | 1:39:48 | 1:39:53 | |
the right honourable gentleman must
be had. | 1:39:53 | 1:40:05 | |
And ensure they come forward and are
checked? What extra resources are | 1:40:09 | 1:40:18 | |
being provided to the local police
force which quite understandably | 1:40:18 | 1:40:21 | |
have never had to deal with such an
incident before. We know that a | 1:40:21 | 1:40:29 | |
cross country the National health
services incredible pressure is at | 1:40:29 | 1:40:31 | |
the moment, but what extra resources
have been provided to NHS hospitals | 1:40:31 | 1:40:36 | |
in and around Salisbury, and what
training has been given to NHS staff | 1:40:36 | 1:40:44 | |
and GPs in identifying the symptoms
from a nerve agent attack? Mr | 1:40:44 | 1:40:47 | |
Speaker, the events in Salisbury on
4th of March have appalled the | 1:40:47 | 1:40:54 | |
country and need thorough
investigation. The local community | 1:40:54 | 1:40:56 | |
and public services involved need
reassurances and the resources | 1:40:56 | 1:41:04 | |
necessary. The action the government
takes needs to be both decisive and | 1:41:04 | 1:41:11 | |
proportionate, once the facts are
clear, and focused on ridges in | 1:41:11 | 1:41:14 | |
conflicts and tensions rather than
increasing them. I join the Prime | 1:41:14 | 1:41:20 | |
Minister in paying tribute to the
magnificent work of our public | 1:41:20 | 1:41:24 | |
services, responding to this attack,
the NHS staff, the police and | 1:41:24 | 1:41:30 | |
security services, the Armed Forces
and the analysts from Porton down. | 1:41:30 | 1:41:32 | |
Let us do everything we can to
ensure this never, never happens | 1:41:32 | 1:41:37 | |
again. | 1:41:37 | 1:41:40 | |
Can I first of all said to the right
honourable gentleman that I'm sure | 1:41:45 | 1:41:48 | |
everybody in the whole house sends
their best wishes to all those who | 1:41:48 | 1:41:52 | |
have suffered as a result of this
incident and wish them a recovery. | 1:41:52 | 1:41:58 | |
In the case of Detective Sergeant
Nick Bailey, I saw a quote which I | 1:41:58 | 1:42:02 | |
was not surprised that, because I
have heard it from so many police | 1:42:02 | 1:42:05 | |
officers who have been in dangerous
situations before, that he was | 1:42:05 | 1:42:11 | |
merely doing his job, and we are
grateful to him and all of our | 1:42:11 | 1:42:15 | |
police officers and the emergency
services for doing that. We don't | 1:42:15 | 1:42:18 | |
comment on the threats in relation
to individual cases, but of course | 1:42:18 | 1:42:25 | |
the police and others always look to
ensure that we are taking these | 1:42:25 | 1:42:30 | |
matters fully into account, and
taking them very seriously. In | 1:42:30 | 1:42:34 | |
relation to Russia, we have a very
simple approach to Russia, which is | 1:42:34 | 1:42:37 | |
engaged but beware, and I think this
shows how right it is that this | 1:42:37 | 1:42:42 | |
government has been cautious in
relation to arrangements with | 1:42:42 | 1:42:44 | |
Russia. I set out in my Mansion
house speech last November very | 1:42:44 | 1:42:50 | |
clearly the concerns we have about
the activities of Russia. It is a | 1:42:50 | 1:42:55 | |
matter I have discussed with fellow
leaders at the European council, I | 1:42:55 | 1:42:58 | |
think we must be all very well aware
of the various ways in which Russia | 1:42:58 | 1:43:04 | |
is affecting activity across the
continent and elsewhere. There can | 1:43:04 | 1:43:08 | |
be no question of business as usual
with Russia. The right honourable | 1:43:08 | 1:43:13 | |
gentleman raised the issue of party
donations. I will say two things to | 1:43:13 | 1:43:18 | |
him, firstly as my right honourable
friend the Chancellor of the | 1:43:18 | 1:43:23 | |
Exchequer said at the weekend, you
should not car anybody who lives in | 1:43:23 | 1:43:27 | |
this country of Russian extraction
with the same brush. And secondly | 1:43:27 | 1:43:32 | |
there are rules on party political
donations, and I can assure him that | 1:43:32 | 1:43:36 | |
my party and I hope all parties
follow those rules. He talked about | 1:43:36 | 1:43:44 | |
the Magnitsky powers, this is an
issue that I have been challenged on | 1:43:44 | 1:43:47 | |
previously on this question, where
we do have already some of the | 1:43:47 | 1:43:52 | |
powers that are being prepared, but
we have already been talking with | 1:43:52 | 1:44:00 | |
all parties about the amendment that
has been put down, and we will work | 1:44:00 | 1:44:04 | |
to others to ensure that we have the
maximum possible consensus before | 1:44:04 | 1:44:09 | |
the report stage. He also raised the
question of police capabilities and | 1:44:09 | 1:44:16 | |
resources. Not only are Wiltshire
Police involved in this, but they | 1:44:16 | 1:44:19 | |
have support from neighbouring
forces, as would normally happen | 1:44:19 | 1:44:22 | |
when an incident takes place which
requires that extra capability. But, | 1:44:22 | 1:44:29 | |
crucially, at a very early stage, it
was decided that counterterrorism | 1:44:29 | 1:44:33 | |
police should take over the response
for this because the | 1:44:33 | 1:44:36 | |
counterterrorism police network as
capabilities which are not available | 1:44:36 | 1:44:41 | |
to regional forces, and they are
indeed in charge in relation to | 1:44:41 | 1:44:44 | |
this. And I can assure the right
honourable gentleman that boccia | 1:44:44 | 1:44:50 | |
county council, Salisbury City
Council are working with Public | 1:44:50 | 1:44:53 | |
Health England, the NHS locally,
working with the police to ensure | 1:44:53 | 1:44:56 | |
that there is maximum information
available to members of the public. | 1:44:56 | 1:45:01 | |
The Chief Medical Officer has
herself reassured members of the | 1:45:01 | 1:45:03 | |
public that the public health risk
is locum and to ensure that the | 1:45:03 | 1:45:08 | |
proper arrangements are being put in
place to help the police to get on | 1:45:08 | 1:45:12 | |
with their enquiries and that is
important. The police are still | 1:45:12 | 1:45:17 | |
working, investigating this, and we
should ensure they have the time and | 1:45:17 | 1:45:20 | |
space to be would conduct these
investigations. May I commend my | 1:45:20 | 1:45:29 | |
right honourable friend for rising
to this occasion, as she should. | 1:45:29 | 1:45:32 | |
Many in this house would wish the
Leader of the Opposition had | 1:45:32 | 1:45:38 | |
abandoned party politics and done
just the same. She is quite right, | 1:45:38 | 1:45:52 | |
if the response from the Russian
ambassador is simply not credible, | 1:45:52 | 1:45:56 | |
she is quite right to expect the
house to back her in taking the most | 1:45:56 | 1:46:01 | |
severe action as is required and
commence at, and she is also right | 1:46:01 | 1:46:05 | |
to remind the house and the country
that this country, Russia, is now | 1:46:05 | 1:46:09 | |
close to being a rogue state as any.
It occupies Crimea, it has helped | 1:46:09 | 1:46:16 | |
occupy eastern Ukraine, it has
created a hell on earth in Syria, | 1:46:16 | 1:46:21 | |
and is even now overseeing worst
action. This is a country locking up | 1:46:21 | 1:46:28 | |
its members of the opposition. It is
a country frankly we have learned | 1:46:28 | 1:46:32 | |
this lesson before, if we appease a
country like this then we expect | 1:46:32 | 1:46:35 | |
even worse. I thank my right
honourable friend for his remarks, | 1:46:35 | 1:46:41 | |
and he is absolutely right. Nobody
should be in any doubt of the | 1:46:41 | 1:46:47 | |
various activities that the Russian
state is involved in across the | 1:46:47 | 1:46:50 | |
continent of Europe and elsewhere.
And the damage that that is doing in | 1:46:50 | 1:46:56 | |
so many different places, and he is
absolutely right that that is why it | 1:46:56 | 1:47:01 | |
is important that this government,
that this country, stands up very | 1:47:01 | 1:47:06 | |
clearly and not only calls out
actions by Russia, but also ensures | 1:47:06 | 1:47:10 | |
that we have a robust response to
them. Thank you, Mr Speaker. I would | 1:47:10 | 1:47:18 | |
like to thank the Prime Minister for
advance copy of her statement and | 1:47:18 | 1:47:21 | |
share with her the concerns around
the recent attack in Salisbury. It | 1:47:21 | 1:47:25 | |
is important that we all work
together to get to the bottom of | 1:47:25 | 1:47:28 | |
what has happened here. Mr Speaker,
there can be no denying that this | 1:47:28 | 1:47:35 | |
assassination attempt on Mr Sergei
Skripal and his daughter is not only | 1:47:35 | 1:47:38 | |
a step too far by those responsible,
but calls into question every aspect | 1:47:38 | 1:47:45 | |
of our current and future
relationship with Russia. Mr | 1:47:45 | 1:47:50 | |
Speaker, this ruthless action puts
not only the likes of our emergency | 1:47:50 | 1:47:56 | |
services at risk but also threatens
the safety of the wider public who | 1:47:56 | 1:47:59 | |
were enjoying a Sunday afternoon in
the cathedral city of Salisbury. | 1:47:59 | 1:48:04 | |
Everyone has the right to live in
the UK in security and safety and | 1:48:04 | 1:48:08 | |
any challenge to those rights needs
to be responded to in an appropriate | 1:48:08 | 1:48:12 | |
manner. Police have so far
identified more than 200 witnesses | 1:48:12 | 1:48:17 | |
and 240 pieces of evidence in this
attempted killing. Our thoughts, all | 1:48:17 | 1:48:21 | |
of us, our thoughts are with Nick
Bailey and his family, and we wish | 1:48:21 | 1:48:25 | |
him a speedy recovery. We commend
the emergency services for putting | 1:48:25 | 1:48:31 | |
their lives on the line in order to
defend all of us. However, there are | 1:48:31 | 1:48:36 | |
legitimate concerns around the delay
in time between the events on Sunday | 1:48:36 | 1:48:40 | |
for the march and yesterday when the
Chief Medical Officer advised the | 1:48:40 | 1:48:45 | |
public who had been at the pub and
restaurant wash their clothing and | 1:48:45 | 1:48:49 | |
personal items. Can the Prime
Minister give reassurances to those | 1:48:49 | 1:48:52 | |
members of the public who may have
real concerns that they may have | 1:48:52 | 1:48:55 | |
been exposed to the effects of the
nerve agent used? I welcome the | 1:48:55 | 1:49:00 | |
Prime Minister's actions detailed in
her statement as I ask when she | 1:49:00 | 1:49:05 | |
intends to return to the house to
update us all on what measures we | 1:49:05 | 1:49:09 | |
can all take. There must be firm and
strong action taken to send a clear | 1:49:09 | 1:49:16 | |
message to the Kremlin we will not
accept interference from Russia on | 1:49:16 | 1:49:21 | |
our way of life or in our politics.
This kind of international outrage | 1:49:21 | 1:49:32 | |
must never again be seen on our
streets. Can I first of all thank | 1:49:32 | 1:49:39 | |
the right honourable gentleman for
the turn that he's adopted in his | 1:49:39 | 1:49:43 | |
response to this statement, because
this is indeed a matter which should | 1:49:43 | 1:49:46 | |
concern us all. This is a matter of
national interest, it is a matter of | 1:49:46 | 1:49:51 | |
an attack that has taken place, and
we must respond to it appropriately, | 1:49:51 | 1:49:55 | |
as he said. He asked the question
about the Chief Medical Officer's | 1:49:55 | 1:50:01 | |
most recent advice to those who had
been in the restaurant or the pub. | 1:50:01 | 1:50:06 | |
The answer to that is that over the
course of time in the last week as | 1:50:06 | 1:50:12 | |
work was done more information
became available, which led to that | 1:50:12 | 1:50:19 | |
precautionary advice being made
yesterday. He also asked what I will | 1:50:19 | 1:50:24 | |
be returning to the house. We will
consider in detailed response from | 1:50:24 | 1:50:28 | |
the Russian state on Wednesday and I
will return to the house at the | 1:50:28 | 1:50:33 | |
earliest possible opportunity. | 1:50:33 | 1:50:36 | |
This is not an act of war was
certainly a warlike act by the | 1:50:40 | 1:50:45 | |
Russian Federation, and this is not
the first we've seen. While some in | 1:50:45 | 1:50:49 | |
this house have stayed silent and
decided to join the information | 1:50:49 | 1:50:53 | |
warfare that that state is
conducting against us and our | 1:50:53 | 1:50:57 | |
allies, we have seen them invade
countries in the east, attack | 1:50:57 | 1:51:00 | |
allies, attempt to kill Prime
Minister 's, and even now, even now | 1:51:00 | 1:51:05 | |
they are backing the murderous Assad
regime, which thinks of nothing of | 1:51:05 | 1:51:11 | |
gassing its own people, and the
honourable gentleman opposite stays | 1:51:11 | 1:51:14 | |
silent. Would my right honourable
friend agree with me that now is the | 1:51:14 | 1:51:20 | |
time for us to call on our allies,
the European Union who has worked so | 1:51:20 | 1:51:24 | |
well with us on sanctions, on Nato
and particularly on the United | 1:51:24 | 1:51:30 | |
States, and ask what they will do to
assist us in this moment when we are | 1:51:30 | 1:51:33 | |
in need? Can I say to my on the wall
friend, I think he is absolutely | 1:51:33 | 1:51:41 | |
right, we should be giving a robust
response from the whole of this | 1:51:41 | 1:51:45 | |
house to this incident, this act,
that has taken place, but we also | 1:51:45 | 1:51:48 | |
will be working, and there has
already been a number of engagements | 1:51:48 | 1:51:53 | |
with allies on this particular
matter, and we will be continuing to | 1:51:53 | 1:51:57 | |
talk with our allies to ensure both
that they are aware of what has | 1:51:57 | 1:52:02 | |
happened on British soil, and also
that we can talk with them about the | 1:52:02 | 1:52:08 | |
response that we will be giving.
Would the Prime Minister not agree | 1:52:08 | 1:52:14 | |
that one of the most effective ways
of punishing Russia for these | 1:52:14 | 1:52:18 | |
appalling activities would be to
seize the private property assets of | 1:52:18 | 1:52:23 | |
members of the Putin regime and
their associates? And as a first | 1:52:23 | 1:52:27 | |
step, could she arranged to publish
a list of who they are and what they | 1:52:27 | 1:52:30 | |
own? | 1:52:30 | 1:52:37 | |
We are aware here of the need in the
United Kingdom to ensure that our | 1:52:37 | 1:52:41 | |
financial system cannot be used for
a list that money flows and | 1:52:41 | 1:52:46 | |
appropriate action is taken by law
enforcement and other bodies to | 1:52:46 | 1:52:49 | |
ensure that we do identify such
flows, and that we make the | 1:52:49 | 1:52:54 | |
appropriate response to them. As he
will know, we are already putting in | 1:52:54 | 1:52:59 | |
place a number of measures to
improve the information that is | 1:52:59 | 1:53:03 | |
available in a transparent way and
relation to the holding of certain | 1:53:03 | 1:53:08 | |
assets here by those from overseas
and that is something that we will | 1:53:08 | 1:53:12 | |
continue to work on. Thank you Mr
Speaker. I entirely agree with the | 1:53:12 | 1:53:18 | |
Prime Minister and her approach to
this murderous attack. And she will | 1:53:18 | 1:53:22 | |
be aware and has stated that it's
part of a pattern of behaviour by | 1:53:22 | 1:53:29 | |
which a state uses covert means and
breach of both international and | 1:53:29 | 1:53:33 | |
international law and the rule of
law to attack with impunity whoever | 1:53:33 | 1:53:38 | |
it wishes. In those circumstances,
which he agreed with me that we face | 1:53:38 | 1:53:42 | |
a very particular challenge which is
not likely to go away anytime soon? | 1:53:42 | 1:53:49 | |
And in this context, and trying to
inform the public of the risks and | 1:53:49 | 1:53:54 | |
of the appropriate way of responding
for a Parliamentary democracy, could | 1:53:54 | 1:53:59 | |
I encouraged her to make use of the
intelligence and security committee | 1:53:59 | 1:54:03 | |
who chose to carry out an inquiry
into Russia's threat last autumn so | 1:54:03 | 1:54:08 | |
that we can take that forward and
provide as much information as we | 1:54:08 | 1:54:13 | |
can publicly about the nature of the
threat and the best means of | 1:54:13 | 1:54:16 | |
responding to what? I say to my
right honourable friend that I think | 1:54:16 | 1:54:23 | |
it was very good that the would be
considering issues around the... I | 1:54:23 | 1:54:31 | |
look forward to the worker that his
committee will be doing on that | 1:54:31 | 1:54:36 | |
particular matter and the Government
will work with the ISC to share that | 1:54:36 | 1:54:41 | |
information that is within its
remit. I think the Prime Minister | 1:54:41 | 1:54:47 | |
for her statement, and it is hard to
see any alternative to her very | 1:54:47 | 1:54:50 | |
grave conclusion that this was
either a direct act by the Russian | 1:54:50 | 1:54:54 | |
state against our country or the
Russian government has lost control | 1:54:54 | 1:54:58 | |
of a dangerous nerve agent. In that
context, I hope the whole House will | 1:54:58 | 1:55:02 | |
be able to come together to find a
firm response from the Government | 1:55:02 | 1:55:08 | |
and the interest of our national
security and public safety. Can I | 1:55:08 | 1:55:12 | |
therefore ask her whether the Mac
Security Council have asked for the | 1:55:12 | 1:55:17 | |
review of the 14 other cases that I
wrote to the Home Secretary amount | 1:55:17 | 1:55:22 | |
to see whether any of those should
be investigated and also to press | 1:55:22 | 1:55:25 | |
her on what further action she has
taken in preparation for potential | 1:55:25 | 1:55:30 | |
UN Security Council resolutions that
perhaps should be drafted in order | 1:55:30 | 1:55:35 | |
to get the widest possible
international support. Can I say to | 1:55:35 | 1:55:41 | |
the right honourable lady she is
absolutely right pretty neat for | 1:55:41 | 1:55:43 | |
them to be a clear response for the
whole of this House, and I think no | 1:55:43 | 1:55:48 | |
one will be in doubt of the nature
of what has happened and we should | 1:55:48 | 1:55:53 | |
respond robustly to it. I understand
that my right honourable friend the | 1:55:53 | 1:55:58 | |
Home Secretary has responded to the
right honourable lady's letter in | 1:55:58 | 1:56:01 | |
relation to those 14 other cases,
and I think the focus at the moment | 1:56:01 | 1:56:06 | |
should be on ensuring that the
resource has put into this criminal | 1:56:06 | 1:56:10 | |
investigation so that they're able
to do their work with the maximal | 1:56:10 | 1:56:15 | |
time and space. Does the Prime
Minister recall that when Edward | 1:56:15 | 1:56:21 | |
Heath expelled over 100 Russian
so-called diplomats in the early | 1:56:21 | 1:56:29 | |
1970s it gave a blow to Russian
intelligence operations against this | 1:56:29 | 1:56:32 | |
country from which it never
recovered until the end of the cold | 1:56:32 | 1:56:36 | |
war. The she also recall that when
it was clear that a member of the | 1:56:36 | 1:56:42 | |
Libyan embassy staff, which one was
unknown, had killed the UPC wind | 1:56:42 | 1:56:51 | |
Fletcher and wholesale expulsion of
staff occurred then. That she | 1:56:51 | 1:56:54 | |
therefore conclude that as it would
be impossible for an operation to | 1:56:54 | 1:57:00 | |
have been mounted by the Russian
state without someone in the London | 1:57:00 | 1:57:04 | |
Russian embassy knowing about it and
similar measures may well be | 1:57:04 | 1:57:07 | |
necessary. And I thank my honourable
friend and as I said any statement I | 1:57:07 | 1:57:15 | |
gave, the Foreign Secretary had
called the ambassador into the | 1:57:15 | 1:57:22 | |
office today and was presented these
two possibilities of the origin of | 1:57:22 | 1:57:28 | |
this action to him and we wait for
the Russian state's response. I'm | 1:57:28 | 1:57:33 | |
very clear that should the response
not be credible, we will conclude | 1:57:33 | 1:57:36 | |
that this action is unlawful use of
force by the Russian state against | 1:57:36 | 1:57:41 | |
the United Kingdom and as I said
earlier, I will come back to this | 1:57:41 | 1:57:45 | |
House and set out the full range of
measures that we will take in | 1:57:45 | 1:57:49 | |
response. And naturally there is the
most intense interest in this | 1:57:49 | 1:57:52 | |
extraordinary grave matter and I am
keen to a call at accommodate | 1:57:52 | 1:57:55 | |
colleagues. Can I ask colleagues to
help me help each of them by | 1:57:55 | 1:58:00 | |
confining themselves to pity
questions. Thank you Mr Speaker. As | 1:58:00 | 1:58:05 | |
the Prime Minister agree that in
here but me further aggression from | 1:58:05 | 1:58:11 | |
the Russian mafia state that the
policy of the Leader of the | 1:58:11 | 1:58:15 | |
Opposition to engage in robust
dialogue will only encourage Putin | 1:58:15 | 1:58:19 | |
to engage in further acts of
state-sponsored terror, and would | 1:58:19 | 1:58:22 | |
she agree it's in regard to the cost
of this that the only other | 1:58:22 | 1:58:28 | |
effective answer is to have robust
action against those who are using | 1:58:28 | 1:58:34 | |
the UK as a battle ground to carry
out their own... I agree with the | 1:58:34 | 1:58:40 | |
honourable gentleman that need to
ensure that we do respond robustly | 1:58:40 | 1:58:43 | |
to this matter, but we need to do so
with careful consideration of the | 1:58:43 | 1:58:47 | |
assessments that have been made and
the information that is available to | 1:58:47 | 1:58:51 | |
us and that is exactly what the
Government is doing. I think nobody | 1:58:51 | 1:58:54 | |
in the towel should be in any doubt
that there could be no suggestion as | 1:58:54 | 1:58:59 | |
business as usual in relation to our
interaction with Russia. The whole | 1:58:59 | 1:59:05 | |
country will welcome be precise and
clear statement which the Prime | 1:59:05 | 1:59:08 | |
Minister has delivered to the House
this afternoon, and in particular, | 1:59:08 | 1:59:14 | |
setting out precisely what she will
do in terms of laying out the | 1:59:14 | 1:59:17 | |
evidence for the international
community and the United Nations of | 1:59:17 | 1:59:21 | |
the acts that has been perpetrated
on British soil. Matt also welcome | 1:59:21 | 1:59:27 | |
the comment she made about the
so-called Megan Nitschke amendment. | 1:59:27 | 1:59:31 | |
There are many of those across the
House of Commons who believe that | 1:59:31 | 1:59:34 | |
this can make a big contribution and
I hope that she will continue | 1:59:34 | 1:59:40 | |
considering following the way in
which America, Canada, and three | 1:59:40 | 1:59:45 | |
European countries have introduced
this particular amendment. I | 1:59:45 | 1:59:49 | |
recognise my right honourable friend
has been supporting the amendment | 1:59:49 | 1:59:53 | |
and working on this issue. I would
say to him as I have done earlier | 1:59:53 | 1:59:57 | |
that we do want to ensure that we
get the maximum possible consensus | 1:59:57 | 2:00:02 | |
across the House on this particular
issue and we will talk to the | 2:00:02 | 2:00:05 | |
parties involved to ensure that the
approach that is taken is one that | 2:00:05 | 2:00:13 | |
the Shadow Foreign Secretary says
that there is not an amendment down. | 2:00:13 | 2:00:16 | |
There is an amendment down.
Discussions are taking place with | 2:00:16 | 2:00:21 | |
parties about the impact of the
amendment as currently drafted | 2:00:21 | 2:00:26 | |
ensuring that any action that is
taken is going to the action that we | 2:00:26 | 2:00:31 | |
are sure will work. Can I commend
the Prime Minister for today making | 2:00:31 | 2:00:38 | |
the sort of a resolute and realistic
statement about the Kremlin that | 2:00:38 | 2:00:41 | |
many of us have been looking for in
this House for some time. Would she | 2:00:41 | 2:00:47 | |
invite the heroic and brave Bill
Browder who's done more than any | 2:00:47 | 2:00:49 | |
other single individual to uncover
the Kremlin's methods to give her a | 2:00:49 | 2:00:55 | |
full briefing about what he knows a
putrid's roadies money laundering | 2:00:55 | 2:00:59 | |
exploits in London and... And will
she make sure that the whole of the | 2:00:59 | 2:01:05 | |
Government machinery is now giving
full cooperation to Robert Mueller's | 2:01:05 | 2:01:09 | |
inquiry in the United States because
of what he has already uncovered | 2:01:09 | 2:01:13 | |
about what the Russians have been
doing here. - to be right arm was | 2:01:13 | 2:01:18 | |
uncommon, we've already been clear
in relation to the Mueller inquiry | 2:01:18 | 2:01:23 | |
and we will respond to the
appropriate requests. I am told that | 2:01:23 | 2:01:27 | |
the other individual that he
referred to has actually met the | 2:01:27 | 2:01:31 | |
Security Minister and has been able
to brief him on what he knows. Thank | 2:01:31 | 2:01:38 | |
you Mr Speaker. Friends from his
candid AVI, the Baltics, and Eastern | 2:01:38 | 2:01:44 | |
Europe have told me how much they
feel at risk for Russian aggression. | 2:01:44 | 2:01:52 | |
Can my friend update the House and
how we work with our allies and | 2:01:52 | 2:01:56 | |
response to does incident? | 2:01:56 | 2:02:01 | |
I am conscious that those who are
particularly geographically close to | 2:02:02 | 2:02:05 | |
Russia on the European continent to
feel very much the immediacy of many | 2:02:05 | 2:02:13 | |
of the activities that Russia gets
involved with, particularly around | 2:02:13 | 2:02:18 | |
matters for example on propaganda
use. I will certainly be speaking to | 2:02:18 | 2:02:23 | |
an number of our allies. I think
it's important not only that people | 2:02:23 | 2:02:27 | |
recognise what has taken place here
in the United Kingdom, but also the | 2:02:27 | 2:02:30 | |
implication that Ed has -- that it
has for Russia's activities | 2:02:30 | 2:02:38 | |
elsewhere on the continent of
Europe. Thank you Mr Speaker. Can I | 2:02:38 | 2:02:42 | |
also commend the Prime Minister for
her remarks. The last time we had | 2:02:42 | 2:02:51 | |
been a clear, defined
state-sponsored act of terrorism was | 2:02:51 | 2:02:56 | |
in 2006, and she has referred to it.
Kenji also have conversations with | 2:02:56 | 2:03:01 | |
her predecessor Prime Minister at
that time, Tony Blair, about some of | 2:03:01 | 2:03:05 | |
the issues that arose subsequent to
the actions we took, because it's | 2:03:05 | 2:03:10 | |
quite clear the Russians will
retaliate and we will then be into a | 2:03:10 | 2:03:14 | |
tit-for-tat process. They think we
will back down. We have to stay | 2:03:14 | 2:03:20 | |
resolutely and strongly we're not
backing down, this is an act of | 2:03:20 | 2:03:24 | |
terrorism and all members of
Parliament stand together. Can I say | 2:03:24 | 2:03:30 | |
to the honourable gentleman he is
absolutely right that when they take | 2:03:30 | 2:03:33 | |
action and it is to ensure that that
is action and we will continue to | 2:03:33 | 2:03:37 | |
follow through. As I said in my
statement, many of the actions that | 2:03:37 | 2:03:41 | |
were taken in response to Litvinenko
murder are still in place in | 2:03:41 | 2:03:45 | |
relation to our relations with the
Russian state. Nobody should be in | 2:03:45 | 2:03:51 | |
any doubt of the likelihood of an
impact from the Russian state and | 2:03:51 | 2:03:57 | |
attempting to, as they did in that
case, suggest that the information | 2:03:57 | 2:04:01 | |
that we were putting out was
incorrect. Actually, what we saw | 2:04:01 | 2:04:05 | |
particularly from the inquiry that
followed significantly later which | 2:04:05 | 2:04:10 | |
very firmly put the responsibility
for Litvinenko's murder at the door | 2:04:10 | 2:04:18 | |
of the Russian state, and indeed to
President Putin. Thank you Mr | 2:04:18 | 2:04:23 | |
Speaker. Can I commend the Prime
Minister for the robust tone of her | 2:04:23 | 2:04:26 | |
statement? Which I believe is
entirely appropriate. Which he also | 2:04:26 | 2:04:32 | |
accepted that while we might not be
in a period of cold war with Russia, | 2:04:32 | 2:04:36 | |
as they were in the 1980s, because
of their actions it could be said | 2:04:36 | 2:04:40 | |
that we are at least now entering a
period of cool. And if that be so, | 2:04:40 | 2:04:47 | |
would she be prepared at the
appropriate time to look again at | 2:04:47 | 2:04:51 | |
our ability to determine out of the
resources that we require in order | 2:04:51 | 2:04:58 | |
to do so? Can I say to my honourable
friend, that as I said previously | 2:04:58 | 2:05:05 | |
there is no question of business as
usual with Russia. We must be very | 2:05:05 | 2:05:09 | |
clear of the actions that they have
taken. I think this incident proves | 2:05:09 | 2:05:15 | |
that the actions we've taken over
the past decade have been entirely | 2:05:15 | 2:05:20 | |
justified. What we see is a Kremlin
that is intent on dismantling the | 2:05:20 | 2:05:27 | |
international rules based order, and
we should stand up resolutely in | 2:05:27 | 2:05:30 | |
defence of that international
orders. Thank you Mr Speaker. The | 2:05:30 | 2:05:35 | |
evidence the Prime Minister provided
to date makes it absolutely clear | 2:05:35 | 2:05:38 | |
that the onus is on the Russian
state to explain how this nerve | 2:05:38 | 2:05:42 | |
agent entered into our country. I
thank her for her answer to my | 2:05:42 | 2:05:47 | |
colleague, the chair of the
intelligence and security committee, | 2:05:47 | 2:05:50 | |
it's essential that we carry out...
That she also agree that our inquiry | 2:05:50 | 2:05:55 | |
should also be able to understand
the pressures on our intelligence to | 2:05:55 | 2:05:59 | |
understand the pressures on our
intelligent security services at how | 2:05:59 | 2:06:01 | |
best they are supported to do the
job they have to do? Of course, it | 2:06:01 | 2:06:08 | |
is for the ISC committee itself to
determine the breath of the | 2:06:08 | 2:06:12 | |
inquiries that it undertakes within
the remit that it has been set. Buy | 2:06:12 | 2:06:18 | |
this House and by government. It is
for that committee to determine this | 2:06:18 | 2:06:24 | |
particular issues. Extra resources
are being put into the security and | 2:06:24 | 2:06:28 | |
intelligence agencies, because we
have recognised the increasing | 2:06:28 | 2:06:32 | |
challenges and threats that we need
to address and that's why those | 2:06:32 | 2:06:39 | |
resources are going into the FIA.
The grisly face of so many a | 2:06:39 | 2:06:48 | |
President Putin's opponents both at
home and abroad, even those high | 2:06:48 | 2:06:54 | |
profile as Boris and that's all.
Having said that and supporting all | 2:06:54 | 2:07:06 | |
of the measures she will take
against the Government of Russia, if | 2:07:06 | 2:07:10 | |
it turns out that way we all into
will she try as far as is possible | 2:07:10 | 2:07:17 | |
to continue the opportunity for
British society in its widest sense | 2:07:17 | 2:07:20 | |
to be opened with the people of
Russia so that the virus of truth | 2:07:20 | 2:07:25 | |
and openness can do its work on that
regime? I think my honourable | 2:07:25 | 2:07:32 | |
gentleman has raised an important
issue which is that of coarse but we | 2:07:32 | 2:07:35 | |
are talking about is the dealings UK
Government has with the Russian | 2:07:35 | 2:07:40 | |
state. Of course I think it is
important that people in Russia | 2:07:40 | 2:07:44 | |
understand the exact nature of the
regime that is an government at the | 2:07:44 | 2:07:49 | |
moment. I don't suppose a single
member of this House is a price that | 2:07:49 | 2:07:55 | |
President Putin will resort to
violence because he done it so many | 2:07:55 | 2:07:59 | |
times before. 334 killed and the
best land massacre. 170 killed | 2:07:59 | 2:08:06 | |
unnecessarily in the Moscow theatre
siege, 299 killed in the aeroplane | 2:08:06 | 2:08:14 | |
that was brought down by the
Russians. Countless journalist, | 2:08:14 | 2:08:18 | |
countless people who stood up to him
as political opponents and other | 2:08:18 | 2:08:22 | |
countries around the world murdered
by him and yes sir Quebec Nitschke. | 2:08:22 | 2:08:27 | |
I've heard what the Prime Minister
says but for the 29th time I'm | 2:08:27 | 2:08:32 | |
asking this question, can we just
make sure that at the end of this | 2:08:32 | 2:08:37 | |
process nobody who was involved in
the murder of Sir Day Luck Magnitsky | 2:08:37 | 2:08:41 | |
or in the corruption that he
unveiled | 2:08:41 | 2:08:50 | |
And for that matter can we stop
Russia today from broadcasting its | 2:08:50 | 2:08:52 | |
propaganda? Can I say to the right
honourable gentleman as I know that | 2:08:52 | 2:09:00 | |
he has asked me this question about
the Magnitsky issue on many | 2:09:00 | 2:09:04 | |
occasions in this House when I was
Home Secretary and subsequently, and | 2:09:04 | 2:09:09 | |
we of course already has a number of
powers that enable us to take action | 2:09:09 | 2:09:13 | |
against individuals to prevent them
from coming into this country, but | 2:09:13 | 2:09:16 | |
we are looking seriously at the
amendments and as I say we do want | 2:09:16 | 2:09:22 | |
to ensure that we get maximum
consensus in relation to this issue. | 2:09:22 | 2:09:29 | |
On the further action that we might
take as a government, I will be | 2:09:29 | 2:09:33 | |
returning to the House at the
possible opportunity once we have | 2:09:33 | 2:09:36 | |
the response from the Russian state
to update the House on the further | 2:09:36 | 2:09:39 | |
measures we would take. If you have
one permanent member of the UN | 2:09:39 | 2:09:47 | |
Security Council carrying out a
targeted assassination in the | 2:09:47 | 2:09:52 | |
country of another, surely it is
time for the UN Secretary General to | 2:09:52 | 2:09:56 | |
watch an immediate inquiry. I thank
my honourable friend for his | 2:09:56 | 2:10:03 | |
suggestion. Can I say to him that of
course what the United Nations is | 2:10:03 | 2:10:06 | |
one of those bodies that we will be
speaking to about the nature of this | 2:10:06 | 2:10:10 | |
incident that has taken place here
in the United Kingdom. Among other | 2:10:10 | 2:10:16 | |
allies and other organisations such
as Nato, but we will certainly be | 2:10:16 | 2:10:20 | |
raising this matter with the UN.
Thank you Mr Speaker. While these | 2:10:20 | 2:10:26 | |
investigations are ongoing we are
waiting from the response from the | 2:10:26 | 2:10:29 | |
Russian government. Can I ask the
Primus or what her government is | 2:10:29 | 2:10:33 | |
doing to protect other people who
are targeted here in the UK? We | 2:10:33 | 2:10:36 | |
don't talk about the measures that
are taken into relation with | 2:10:36 | 2:10:41 | |
individuals. That is a matter for
the police and law enforcement | 2:10:41 | 2:10:48 | |
generally. I can assure her that
that is a matter that is being | 2:10:48 | 2:10:52 | |
considered. Johnny Mercer. I think I
have just seen and I would look at | 2:10:52 | 2:11:01 | |
my honourable friend opposite that I
have seen the most shameful moments | 2:11:01 | 2:11:04 | |
in the House of Commons in my time
today. It is clear that this is | 2:11:04 | 2:11:08 | |
sobering United Kingdom has come
under attack from another state. The | 2:11:08 | 2:11:12 | |
Prime Minister -- does the premise
or agree with me that the care to | 2:11:12 | 2:11:17 | |
conflict is changing? We must to
relentless in trying to keep pace of | 2:11:17 | 2:11:20 | |
that and nothing was out those
looking to do this work? In my | 2:11:20 | 2:11:24 | |
honourable friend is absolutely
right that the character of the | 2:11:24 | 2:11:28 | |
threats that we face is changing.
They are diversifying. And we need | 2:11:28 | 2:11:33 | |
to ensure that we are able to deal
with those threats across the range | 2:11:33 | 2:11:38 | |
of actions that need to be taken.
Some of those will not always fall | 2:11:38 | 2:11:45 | |
into what my convention -- might
conventionally be defensible. Were | 2:11:45 | 2:11:51 | |
the premise or confirmed that we
bear the Russian people nothing but | 2:11:51 | 2:11:58 | |
good well, it is president Putin
that we have in our sights and we | 2:11:58 | 2:12:02 | |
will not allow him to use this in
the presidential elections to | 2:12:02 | 2:12:06 | |
burnish his image as a strong man?
The right honourable gentleman is | 2:12:06 | 2:12:11 | |
absolutely right. It is the Russian
state that we are challenging in | 2:12:11 | 2:12:16 | |
relation to this particular act that
has taken place on UK soil. Not the | 2:12:16 | 2:12:20 | |
Russian people. John Lyndale. Is it
not increasingly clear that we are | 2:12:20 | 2:12:29 | |
engaged in hybrid warfare which
includes disinformation, political | 2:12:29 | 2:12:34 | |
information Butland affairs, cyber
attacks another set of attempted | 2:12:34 | 2:12:37 | |
murder? In considering a response,
will my right honourable friend look | 2:12:37 | 2:12:41 | |
at what additional help we might
give to the people of Ukraine who | 2:12:41 | 2:12:44 | |
are being hurt in resisting Russian
aggression expansionism? I would | 2:12:44 | 2:12:52 | |
like to thank my right honourable
friend and he is right we do need to | 2:12:52 | 2:12:56 | |
look across the very diverse nature
of the threat that we face. And the | 2:12:56 | 2:13:00 | |
actions that we are taking and have
already been taking a number of | 2:13:00 | 2:13:04 | |
actions in support of the Ukraine.
It is also an important part of our | 2:13:04 | 2:13:11 | |
deliberations and important part of
our response. Malcolm MacDonald. The | 2:13:11 | 2:13:18 | |
question was understood by only
three people. Everybody understands | 2:13:18 | 2:13:21 | |
what is happened here today. There
can be no criticism of the two of | 2:13:21 | 2:13:25 | |
the prime is or has adopted. She
would know that under article four | 2:13:25 | 2:13:29 | |
of Nato, she can raise this as a
concern with our Nato allies. Does | 2:13:29 | 2:13:33 | |
she intend to do so? As I has said
in response to a number of other | 2:13:33 | 2:13:39 | |
questions, we will be raising this
with allies in a number of forms. | 2:13:39 | 2:13:44 | |
And I will obviously consider as I
said earlier the response to the | 2:13:44 | 2:13:47 | |
Russian state on Wednesday and I
will return at the earliest possible | 2:13:47 | 2:13:50 | |
opportunity to this House is set out
for the measures. Love the Prime | 2:13:50 | 2:13:54 | |
Minister join me in commending
Wilshire police and health services | 2:13:54 | 2:13:58 | |
will donate superb job in restraint
of this case? I highlight the | 2:13:58 | 2:14:04 | |
dedication in public service not
just in Wilshire but up and down the | 2:14:04 | 2:14:09 | |
country? I am very happy to join my
honourable friend in commending the | 2:14:09 | 2:14:15 | |
valuable work that has been done by
emergency services in Wilshire but | 2:14:15 | 2:14:20 | |
also they are simply a fine example
of the dedication and commitment to | 2:14:20 | 2:14:24 | |
our public services and emergency
services to across the whole | 2:14:24 | 2:14:26 | |
country. I have absolutely no doubt
that the only way to deal with | 2:14:26 | 2:14:33 | |
Putin's regime is robustly
decisively and together as a | 2:14:33 | 2:14:35 | |
Parliament and the country. I want
to add my voice to those talk about | 2:14:35 | 2:14:40 | |
the oppression of the Russian
people, not policing Keshia where | 2:14:40 | 2:14:44 | |
Putin continues to back the brutal
regime there and his attacks on the | 2:14:44 | 2:14:48 | |
LGBT community. But Russia today,
can I urge her to speak to Russia's | 2:14:48 | 2:14:56 | |
broadcasting licence and speak to
the House authorities about blocking | 2:14:56 | 2:14:59 | |
their broadcasts in this building
itself? Why should we be watching | 2:14:59 | 2:15:03 | |
their propaganda in this Parliament?
As I have said in the response of | 2:15:03 | 2:15:09 | |
another of questions, I will look at
the response to the Russian state, | 2:15:09 | 2:15:14 | |
but I will come back to the size of
the earliest opportunity to look at | 2:15:14 | 2:15:17 | |
the range of measures which could be
necessary and I think in relation to | 2:15:17 | 2:15:20 | |
the House authorities, as the
honourable gentleman will be aware, | 2:15:20 | 2:15:25 | |
that would not be a matter for me
but for the House authorities. I | 2:15:25 | 2:15:28 | |
think we have for the honourable
gentleman politely and clearly. | 2:15:28 | 2:15:30 | |
Thank you. I congratulate the Prime
Minister for her powerful statement | 2:15:30 | 2:15:37 | |
and for her leadership in this
incredibly grave matter. Is Russia a | 2:15:37 | 2:15:42 | |
fit and proper state to be hosting
or engaging in international | 2:15:42 | 2:15:48 | |
sporting fixtures in 2018? Can I say
and answer to my right honourable | 2:15:48 | 2:15:55 | |
friend is that we as I said in
response to prime Ministers | 2:15:55 | 2:16:01 | |
questions last week, I think we will
be in possession of considering the | 2:16:01 | 2:16:07 | |
attendance at that particular event
that is coming up in Russia, notably | 2:16:07 | 2:16:11 | |
the World Cup, of dignitaries and
Ministers here in the United | 2:16:11 | 2:16:14 | |
Kingdom. There should be unity
across the House in terms of what I | 2:16:14 | 2:16:21 | |
feel is a proportionate and sensible
approach that she has taken to | 2:16:21 | 2:16:25 | |
analysing what has been happening
and coming back to report to the | 2:16:25 | 2:16:28 | |
House. Can I also say that there are
certain circumstances as she knows | 2:16:28 | 2:16:33 | |
where we take part in political
differences of opinion, but when our | 2:16:33 | 2:16:37 | |
country is potentially under attack,
that is just not appropriate. Can I | 2:16:37 | 2:16:44 | |
think the right honourable gentleman
for the town that he has adopted. He | 2:16:44 | 2:16:49 | |
is absolutely right. -- tone. This
is a question of the national | 2:16:49 | 2:16:53 | |
interest in the interest of our
country. And what another state may | 2:16:53 | 2:16:55 | |
have done on British soil to people
living here in the United Kingdom. | 2:16:55 | 2:17:01 | |
And that should be a matter that
should concern all of us and should | 2:17:01 | 2:17:06 | |
be above party politics. Having
served with my right honourable | 2:17:06 | 2:17:12 | |
friend in the Home Office which you
do what is right to keep what is... | 2:17:12 | 2:17:18 | |
Would be the conclusion of Her
Majesty prospector met that there | 2:17:18 | 2:17:21 | |
was a unlawful use of force by the
Russians say, do we possess a | 2:17:21 | 2:17:25 | |
miserable rage of cyber capabilities
which we will not hesitate to deploy | 2:17:25 | 2:17:29 | |
against that state if it is
necessary to keep our country safe? | 2:17:29 | 2:17:33 | |
Can I say to my right honourable
friend that of course will look at | 2:17:33 | 2:17:39 | |
responses across a number of areas
of activity should be as he has a | 2:17:39 | 2:17:44 | |
set and in my statement as I said
that we conclude that this action | 2:17:44 | 2:17:48 | |
does amount to an unlawful use of
force by the Russian state in the | 2:17:48 | 2:17:53 | |
UK. Thank you Mr Speaker. It is good
that the Prime Minister spells out | 2:17:53 | 2:18:01 | |
the actions already taken today and
inform us what is happening next. | 2:18:01 | 2:18:06 | |
Was also make sure that the lessons
learned in the software community | 2:18:06 | 2:18:10 | |
about this threat and how to prevent
it -- Salisbury community is shared | 2:18:10 | 2:18:16 | |
an appropriate across the country? I
am very happy to say that I am sure | 2:18:16 | 2:18:22 | |
that there will be lessons coming
out of this for local communities | 2:18:22 | 2:18:27 | |
for the NHS, the police themselves
as they look into this matter. And | 2:18:27 | 2:18:30 | |
I'm sure that we will ensure those
are available to those across the | 2:18:30 | 2:18:35 | |
country. Alex Chok. Considering
Russia, for all of its geographical | 2:18:35 | 2:18:42 | |
size, the Russian economy is a
little more than half that of the | 2:18:42 | 2:18:46 | |
UK. Are the service as is, does my
right honourable friend agree with | 2:18:46 | 2:18:50 | |
me that British economic levers are
far more potent than some might | 2:18:50 | 2:18:52 | |
realise and we should not hesitate
the circumstance demanded to pull | 2:18:52 | 2:18:56 | |
them hard? As I said we will be
looking at the full range of | 2:18:56 | 2:19:03 | |
measures should we -- once we
consider the response of the Russian | 2:19:03 | 2:19:09 | |
state. It is in fact United Kingdom,
we have been one of the leaders in | 2:19:09 | 2:19:13 | |
ensuring that within the European
Union, that sanctions against Russia | 2:19:13 | 2:19:17 | |
are in place as a result of the
action that they took place in the | 2:19:17 | 2:19:20 | |
Crimea and the Ukraine. Thank you Mr
Speaker. This horrific attempted | 2:19:20 | 2:19:26 | |
murder on British soil demands a
strong and united response. Can she | 2:19:26 | 2:19:33 | |
confirm whether the nerve agent in
question is listed under the | 2:19:33 | 2:19:40 | |
chemical weapons convention? Yes, it
is illegal to use a nerve agent of | 2:19:40 | 2:19:45 | |
this board -- this sort and one
bandit of the convention. Thank you | 2:19:45 | 2:19:53 | |
Mr Speaker. Will the Prime Minister
agree with me that this attack | 2:19:53 | 2:19:57 | |
probably involved a professional
Russian trained operatives in order | 2:19:57 | 2:20:04 | |
to carry out such an individually
targeted assault with what was up in | 2:20:04 | 2:20:11 | |
a very minute amount of something
like staring VX work something else | 2:20:11 | 2:20:15 | |
that could have catastrophic,
widescale, indiscriminate and deadly | 2:20:15 | 2:20:22 | |
consequences? I say to my honourable
friend that I would not speculate | 2:20:22 | 2:20:27 | |
the nature of the individual
responsible or individuals | 2:20:27 | 2:20:34 | |
responsible for this attack. That is
a matter for the police | 2:20:34 | 2:20:37 | |
investigation. Mr Speaker, with the
Prime Minister agree now that we | 2:20:37 | 2:20:44 | |
have all agreed that Russia is a
clear and present danger, we have | 2:20:44 | 2:20:48 | |
got to be fully organised to meet
their danger? And would she agree | 2:20:48 | 2:20:53 | |
with me that if we walk out into
London and we see Russian Mafia and | 2:20:53 | 2:20:57 | |
Russian security people about our
capital city over Europe we see | 2:20:57 | 2:21:02 | |
them. But they don't like is
sanctions that bite. Will she come | 2:21:02 | 2:21:06 | |
back to this House an early
education and actually with a firm | 2:21:06 | 2:21:11 | |
list of sanctions, new sanctions we
can take against Russia? Diablo | 2:21:11 | 2:21:17 | |
gentlemen is asking me to refer --
the asked about -- the honourable | 2:21:17 | 2:21:21 | |
Donovan is having to revert to
particular measures. As I have said | 2:21:21 | 2:21:24 | |
earlier, we will consider the
response from the Russian state and | 2:21:24 | 2:21:27 | |
should there be no credible
response, then we will determine and | 2:21:27 | 2:21:32 | |
conclude that the action amounts to
unlawful use of force by the Russian | 2:21:32 | 2:21:35 | |
state in the United Kingdom and I
will return with further measures. | 2:21:35 | 2:21:43 | |
What my right honourable friend the
Prime Minister confirm that despite | 2:21:43 | 2:21:47 | |
the difficulties the American
presidency may have on these issues, | 2:21:47 | 2:21:50 | |
that we are fully engaged with the
American government and our allies | 2:21:50 | 2:21:53 | |
on this very important matter? I'm
very happy to give my right | 2:21:53 | 2:21:59 | |
honourable friend a confirmation
that we have been engaged with our | 2:21:59 | 2:22:01 | |
allies and continue to be engaged
with them on this important issue. | 2:22:01 | 2:22:06 | |
Can I think the Prime Minister for
coming to the House with this very | 2:22:06 | 2:22:13 | |
important but sadly not surprising
conclusion today? She is going to | 2:22:13 | 2:22:17 | |
make it further statement on
Wednesday, but can I ask her to say | 2:22:17 | 2:22:21 | |
a bit more about the options for
response and to ensure at a time | 2:22:21 | 2:22:27 | |
when there are voices and forces
trying to erode confidence in open | 2:22:27 | 2:22:31 | |
democratic society, that those
responses will place as firmly and | 2:22:31 | 2:22:38 | |
foursquare behind the solidarity and
security of the West? I hope the | 2:22:38 | 2:22:44 | |
right honourable and settlement will
forgive me if I say I will not set | 2:22:44 | 2:22:49 | |
out today what the response is going
to be because we need to consider | 2:22:49 | 2:22:52 | |
the response from the Russian state
and put together further measures | 2:22:52 | 2:22:58 | |
appropriate to ensure that we get
the robust response that I and other | 2:22:58 | 2:23:01 | |
members of this House have been
calling for. But he can be rest | 2:23:01 | 2:23:05 | |
assured as can other members of this
House that we see a Russia that is | 2:23:05 | 2:23:10 | |
flouting the international rules
based order, we have been very clear | 2:23:10 | 2:23:13 | |
about that. And we will stand up for
democracy, stand up to the rule of | 2:23:13 | 2:23:19 | |
law, for the international rules
based order, and the values that | 2:23:19 | 2:23:24 | |
underpin it. And continued to be
committed to the security and | 2:23:24 | 2:23:26 | |
defence of Europe and the defence of
the phase that underpin the West. | 2:23:26 | 2:23:36 | |
I understand the nerve agent was
developed by Russia specifically to | 2:23:36 | 2:23:40 | |
avoid being covered by the chemical
weapons treaty and to avoid | 2:23:40 | 2:23:44 | |
detection by standard equipment.
Could my right honourable friend | 2:23:44 | 2:23:48 | |
today confirmed that the nerve agent
is a totally illegal substance under | 2:23:48 | 2:23:53 | |
a treaty to which Russia is
signatory and I'm any knowledge of | 2:23:53 | 2:23:58 | |
detection and treatment that we
learned from this ghastly attack | 2:23:58 | 2:24:02 | |
will be shared with authorities and
health authorities not just in this | 2:24:02 | 2:24:06 | |
country but with our allies abroad
as well. Can I say to my honourable | 2:24:06 | 2:24:11 | |
friend that it's very clear that the
use of such nerve agent goes against | 2:24:11 | 2:24:16 | |
the spirit of the treaty in relation
to the use of chemical weapons. They | 2:24:16 | 2:24:22 | |
will be, as my honourable friend
expect, be talking to the | 2:24:22 | 2:24:25 | |
responsible body in relation to
chemical weapons to raise this | 2:24:25 | 2:24:28 | |
issue. Thank you Mr Speaker. In late
of the Prime Minister's comments | 2:24:28 | 2:24:35 | |
which I commend, does the PM agree
that there is no place for | 2:24:35 | 2:24:39 | |
honourable members on all sides of
the House to appear on... It's a | 2:24:39 | 2:24:46 | |
topic in the mouthpiece and it
should not be engaged with with any | 2:24:46 | 2:24:50 | |
Democratic politicians who should
think twice before they do so and | 2:24:50 | 2:24:53 | |
not be engaging with a media outlet
like this and give it credibility. I | 2:24:53 | 2:24:58 | |
think we should all be very wary and
careful in looking at media outlets | 2:24:58 | 2:25:03 | |
that any individual member of this
House chooses to appear on. As I've | 2:25:03 | 2:25:08 | |
said in response to other questions,
this issue of Russia today is | 2:25:08 | 2:25:13 | |
obviously one which is of concern to
members across this House and as I | 2:25:13 | 2:25:18 | |
said I will be coming back and
making further statements to the | 2:25:18 | 2:25:22 | |
House after we've had the Russian
state response. In the early 1980s | 2:25:22 | 2:25:29 | |
the planning assumption was that the
road to war with the Soviet Union | 2:25:29 | 2:25:34 | |
would be proceeded by six months of
increasing tension sabotage, and | 2:25:34 | 2:25:39 | |
assassination. What are the current
assumptions? Can I say to my | 2:25:39 | 2:25:44 | |
honourable friend that I think what
we see today, there was a time when | 2:25:44 | 2:25:52 | |
that issue of the threats that were
posed to us by Russia and indeed by | 2:25:52 | 2:25:57 | |
others were clear and limited in
their type. What we see today is the | 2:25:57 | 2:26:07 | |
diversity of threats. We Russia --
with Russia we see being referenced | 2:26:07 | 2:26:11 | |
in the previous question about the
issue of propaganda. We see them | 2:26:11 | 2:26:15 | |
using a variety of means in which to
attempt to interfere, intervene, and | 2:26:15 | 2:26:20 | |
to affect countries in the West and
be there for in terms of our | 2:26:20 | 2:26:26 | |
approach to this and respond across
a whole range of threats. Thank you | 2:26:26 | 2:26:34 | |
Mr Speaker. I would also like to
thank the Prime Minister for her | 2:26:34 | 2:26:39 | |
remarks about this growing crisis. I
appreciate she would not want to | 2:26:39 | 2:26:44 | |
give individual circumstances, the
candy Prime Minister assure the | 2:26:44 | 2:26:48 | |
House that not only former Russian
nationals, former Eastern European | 2:26:48 | 2:26:52 | |
nationals who may also have offended
Mr Putin, but British high-profile | 2:26:52 | 2:26:59 | |
figures and British public buildings
are being reviewed in order to | 2:26:59 | 2:27:03 | |
determine the status of security in
light of the recent situation? As I | 2:27:03 | 2:27:09 | |
said earlier, she is absolutely
right, we don't comment on | 2:27:09 | 2:27:13 | |
individual cases. In relation to
national security, we regularly | 2:27:13 | 2:27:17 | |
update and monitor the actions that
are taken and the protection of | 2:27:17 | 2:27:25 | |
people and premises here in the
United Kingdom based on the fact | 2:27:25 | 2:27:27 | |
that we perceive at the time. As
someone who has campaigned for the | 2:27:27 | 2:27:35 | |
Magnitsky law and on the Bill
committee of the sanctions and money | 2:27:35 | 2:27:39 | |
bill, can I say that the opposition
amendments or flawed and can be | 2:27:39 | 2:27:44 | |
improved on. I am actually grateful
for the cooperation of Ministers and | 2:27:44 | 2:27:48 | |
I hope the discussions will be
fruitful. When my -- will my right | 2:27:48 | 2:27:54 | |
honourable friend reflects that our
allies abroad reflect that this | 2:27:54 | 2:27:58 | |
could've happened and a provincial
town in France, Germany, or any | 2:27:58 | 2:28:01 | |
other country, and we are looking
for action to be taken as well as | 2:28:01 | 2:28:05 | |
warm words of support. Can I say to
my right honourable friend, I am | 2:28:05 | 2:28:09 | |
grateful to him as a supporter of
the Magnitsky law and putting up the | 2:28:09 | 2:28:15 | |
point I'm trying to make earlier,
which is that if amendments are to | 2:28:15 | 2:28:19 | |
be passed many to ensure they will
be workable and we need to get the | 2:28:19 | 2:28:25 | |
amendments right. And also, in
response to the point that he made | 2:28:25 | 2:28:31 | |
about our allies, he is absolutely
right. I think we should point out | 2:28:31 | 2:28:35 | |
this is something that happened
anywhere, and any provincial town or | 2:28:35 | 2:28:40 | |
any city like Salisbury. The level
of resilience voiced by the Prime | 2:28:40 | 2:28:50 | |
Minister and the Chairman today has
been many years coming, but it is | 2:28:50 | 2:28:53 | |
usually welcome. Indeed, it would
put our national security at | 2:28:53 | 2:28:58 | |
significant risk that we were led by
anyone who did not understand the | 2:28:58 | 2:29:02 | |
gravity of the threat which Russia
poses to this nation. Can I ask her, | 2:29:02 | 2:29:07 | |
she mentioned our Nato allies. She's
going to come forward with measures | 2:29:07 | 2:29:15 | |
on Wednesday, will she confirmed
that our Nato allies and the | 2:29:15 | 2:29:19 | |
potential for collective response,
it is in her thinking and doing so? | 2:29:19 | 2:29:23 | |
Can I think the honourable gentleman
for the comment that he is made. He | 2:29:23 | 2:29:30 | |
is absolutely right, it's imperative
that in this country we recognise | 2:29:30 | 2:29:32 | |
the nature of the threat and the
nature of the actions that Russia | 2:29:32 | 2:29:37 | |
has taken across a wide range of
means. And also I'm very clear that | 2:29:37 | 2:29:43 | |
as we look at any further actions
that need to be taken, we need to | 2:29:43 | 2:29:49 | |
ensure that that is robust, that it
does very clearly defend our values | 2:29:49 | 2:29:55 | |
here in the United Kingdom and
ensure that we aren't sending a very | 2:29:55 | 2:29:57 | |
clear message from those who would
seek to undermine those. And | 2:29:57 | 2:30:03 | |
congratulation the Prime Minister on
her robust stance against Russian | 2:30:03 | 2:30:07 | |
aggression, she will be aware that
the very most effective sanctions | 2:30:07 | 2:30:12 | |
are those taken multilaterally. The
concern that some habits that when | 2:30:12 | 2:30:15 | |
leave the European Union, we will
lose our seat at the table on the | 2:30:15 | 2:30:19 | |
body that sets those sanctions. Can
she therefore assure us that effort | 2:30:19 | 2:30:24 | |
is going to go into building up a
new relationship so we will have | 2:30:24 | 2:30:29 | |
continuity in our approach towards
Russia? I think my honourable | 2:30:29 | 2:30:35 | |
friend, and this issue of collective
action was one of the honourable | 2:30:35 | 2:30:38 | |
gentleman for the member firm arrow
have raised and his previous | 2:30:38 | 2:30:42 | |
question. My friend has said that
the position in relation to the UK | 2:30:42 | 2:30:48 | |
Government's actions on sanctions
will change when we leave the | 2:30:48 | 2:30:50 | |
European Union. We are taking
measures to ensure that we are able | 2:30:50 | 2:30:57 | |
to act as the United Kingdom
independently. But I also made clear | 2:30:57 | 2:31:01 | |
in the speech that I gave at the
mansion house, this is one that we | 2:31:01 | 2:31:06 | |
want to be working with our allies
because indeed, as both he and the | 2:31:06 | 2:31:11 | |
honourable member for Barrow have
said, they are more effective if | 2:31:11 | 2:31:15 | |
they are undertaken collectively.
Thank you Mr Speaker, and commanding | 2:31:15 | 2:31:18 | |
the Prime Minister for the stance
you has adopted today. When she | 2:31:18 | 2:31:21 | |
returned to the House, will she take
the opportunity to switch the | 2:31:21 | 2:31:25 | |
crossbody concerns on the defence
select committee that there has been | 2:31:25 | 2:31:28 | |
a de-escalation of our presence and
that the escalation of our presence | 2:31:28 | 2:31:36 | |
and the high North, production of
maritime surveillance and patrols, | 2:31:36 | 2:31:40 | |
and in fact a cancellation of our
cold weather training Bishoo? I hope | 2:31:40 | 2:31:46 | |
the Prime Minister will take this | 2:31:46 | 2:31:47 | |
we look carefully at actions that we
are taking at the training exercises | 2:31:52 | 2:31:58 | |
that our military forces undertake,
and as I indicated in my statement, | 2:31:58 | 2:32:00 | |
I am pleased that our forces are
leading part of the enhanced for | 2:32:00 | 2:32:05 | |
presence and Estonia. I visited
those forces in Estonia in the | 2:32:05 | 2:32:09 | |
oddest of -- August of last year.
And I can save not only is that | 2:32:09 | 2:32:14 | |
valuable for our forces, but hugely
welcome by the people of Estonia who | 2:32:14 | 2:32:17 | |
arrayed against the border with
Russia and feel this thread very | 2:32:17 | 2:32:22 | |
particularly. I think the Prime
Minister for her statement and in | 2:32:22 | 2:32:27 | |
doing so would like to pay tribute
to a group of individuals | 2:32:27 | 2:32:30 | |
unmentioned so far this afternoon,
members of the Armed Forces. I would | 2:32:30 | 2:32:38 | |
also like to ask what she is doing
with our allies in Nato and the UN, | 2:32:38 | 2:32:42 | |
and of course the European Union to
ensure the maintenance of the rules | 2:32:42 | 2:32:46 | |
based system which is under systemic
threat from the Russian Federation. | 2:32:46 | 2:32:51 | |
Can I reiterate what my honourable
friend has said the? I mentioned in | 2:32:51 | 2:32:55 | |
my statement, but once again praised
the work of the Armed Forces | 2:32:55 | 2:33:01 | |
alongside our emergency services in
relation to this particular incident | 2:33:01 | 2:33:05 | |
and what they also do for us and the
Armed Forces Day in and day out. I | 2:33:05 | 2:33:11 | |
can assure him that we will be
looking very carefully at any | 2:33:11 | 2:33:14 | |
further up the measures that should
be taken him a sponsor this. The | 2:33:14 | 2:33:18 | |
Prime Minister should note that if
by Wednesday she concludes that we | 2:33:18 | 2:33:24 | |
are embattled she will find duty and
resolve across this House and facing | 2:33:24 | 2:33:28 | |
down a common threat. 12 years ago
in the aftermath of a wave of | 2:33:28 | 2:33:34 | |
Al-Qaeda inspired attacks, we
transfer the capacity of government | 2:33:34 | 2:33:37 | |
to co-ordinate and fight back
against extremism. Can I urge her | 2:33:37 | 2:33:42 | |
measures she brings forward on
Wednesday to think radically about | 2:33:42 | 2:33:45 | |
how she creates the governing
capacity to co-ordinate our response | 2:33:45 | 2:33:49 | |
to this new level of threat,
including new safeguards against | 2:33:49 | 2:33:55 | |
abuse of social media which we know
is part of the Russian's active | 2:33:55 | 2:34:00 | |
measures playbook. And I think the
right honourable gentleman for his | 2:34:00 | 2:34:04 | |
remarks, and the tone with which he
has set those out, and can I say | 2:34:04 | 2:34:09 | |
that we do... And he has right,
after the attacks by Al-Qaeda, it | 2:34:09 | 2:34:14 | |
was very clear, and the Government
put in place to hold the structure | 2:34:14 | 2:34:21 | |
of response in terms of
counterterrorism. Hostile state | 2:34:21 | 2:34:24 | |
activity is something that the
Government has been consistently | 2:34:24 | 2:34:26 | |
looking out over many years, but as
we have looked at our national | 2:34:26 | 2:34:31 | |
security capability review, as we
look at the ability to react to the | 2:34:31 | 2:34:37 | |
fact that we now face, we will now
find that the structure of | 2:34:37 | 2:34:42 | |
government find it it's... | 2:34:42 | 2:34:46 | |
Can I welcome the statement like
tone of the Prime Minister's... The | 2:34:47 | 2:34:59 | |
grandmother would have done no
benefit to the Russians did it. Can | 2:34:59 | 2:35:03 | |
I urge her to be uncompromising in
signalling that Liberal Democratic | 2:35:03 | 2:35:05 | |
values are not negotiable? And that
this country will not be a country | 2:35:05 | 2:35:13 | |
for the Kremlin... And aggressive
cultural sanctions to hit Mr Putin | 2:35:13 | 2:35:19 | |
where it hurts? I think my
honourable friend for the remarks | 2:35:19 | 2:35:24 | |
that he has made and I assure him
that we will be looking at a range | 2:35:24 | 2:35:32 | |
of activities, responses and I will
update the House further at the | 2:35:32 | 2:35:38 | |
earliest opportunity. Can I also
say, just to confirm, that it is | 2:35:38 | 2:35:43 | |
those democratic values that
underpin us as a country that we we | 2:35:43 | 2:35:48 | |
you'll be defending and continue to
defend but wish to do so alongside | 2:35:48 | 2:35:51 | |
our allies? It was remarked earlier
that the international rules based | 2:35:51 | 2:35:56 | |
order is under threat from Russia.
The international rules based order | 2:35:56 | 2:36:01 | |
is also under threat from others and
it's important to we stand up and | 2:36:01 | 2:36:05 | |
robustly defended. Three people are
gravely and hospital following his | 2:36:05 | 2:36:11 | |
horrific chain of events. Can I
welcome the Prime Minister's was all | 2:36:11 | 2:36:15 | |
that business cannot go on as usual?
And she didn't take this opportunity | 2:36:15 | 2:36:18 | |
to tighten up the loopholes that do
exist in the system concerning money | 2:36:18 | 2:36:25 | |
laundering to be from Russia with
cash issue does not turn into from | 2:36:25 | 2:36:30 | |
Russia with blood? The honourable
Lady has been awarded at the | 2:36:30 | 2:36:34 | |
Government has recently taken on
extra powers to enable us to deal | 2:36:34 | 2:36:38 | |
with the criminal finances through
the criminal finances act. It's | 2:36:38 | 2:36:41 | |
important that we did that, we are
very well aware that the | 2:36:41 | 2:36:46 | |
attractiveness for normal financial
activity here in London can mean | 2:36:46 | 2:36:50 | |
that there are those who see an
opportunity for illicit flows of | 2:36:50 | 2:36:54 | |
money and we will take every action
against those. I welcome the | 2:36:54 | 2:37:00 | |
strength of the Prime Minister
statement today. I'm sure she will | 2:37:00 | 2:37:04 | |
like me and be concerned by the
parallels the previous time when | 2:37:04 | 2:37:06 | |
autocratic clique they decided to
challenge the international wills | 2:37:06 | 2:37:11 | |
based system to prove that might
would be right. Could she assured me | 2:37:11 | 2:37:14 | |
that she will be working with allies
to make sure that we could go down | 2:37:14 | 2:37:18 | |
the path to disaster and defeat as
well? I will certainly be working | 2:37:18 | 2:37:24 | |
with allies to make very clear they
... And that those that try to | 2:37:24 | 2:37:30 | |
attack it will not win. Mr Speaker,
inevitably today the focus has been | 2:37:30 | 2:37:34 | |
on the Russians that are crooks and
cronies of Putin, but there are | 2:37:34 | 2:37:40 | |
decent Russians who have spoken out
against the regime. Those that I've | 2:37:40 | 2:37:43 | |
met over the years here in sometimes
feel very alone, can we send out a | 2:37:43 | 2:37:48 | |
signal that we are appalled by what
Putin has been? We designed a set | 2:37:48 | 2:37:53 | |
bill of solidarity with those | 2:37:53 | 2:38:02 | |
The honourable Lady does speak about
this. There are those who had been | 2:38:02 | 2:38:06 | |
proven up to speak up. And we
support them in doing so. And we | 2:38:06 | 2:38:10 | |
want them to be able to do so and be
free to do so and that they are able | 2:38:10 | 2:38:13 | |
to feel the competence of doing so
without steering action that might | 2:38:13 | 2:38:16 | |
be taken against them as a result.
Mr Speaker, can I too thanks the | 2:38:16 | 2:38:21 | |
right honourable friend handling
this appalling case and can also ask | 2:38:21 | 2:38:27 | |
her that if it is indeed proved that
this was state sponsored, the | 2:38:27 | 2:38:31 | |
response is not just in the United
Kingdom, but from Nato and all our | 2:38:31 | 2:38:35 | |
European allies because together we
stand and divided we provide an | 2:38:35 | 2:38:40 | |
opening for this man? I say to my
right honourable friend that we will | 2:38:40 | 2:38:46 | |
always be be talking with allies
about the nature of this act that | 2:38:46 | 2:38:49 | |
has taken place and we will continue
to do so and will be encouraging our | 2:38:49 | 2:38:54 | |
allies to end -- recognise the
despicable nature of what has | 2:38:54 | 2:38:59 | |
happened in the UK. The main
security challenges we face are from | 2:38:59 | 2:39:08 | |
Daesh and others. Will she meet
those challenges as opposed to | 2:39:08 | 2:39:14 | |
constituting a new nuclear weapons?
He prefers the number of threats | 2:39:14 | 2:39:21 | |
obviously the terrorist threat, the
threat of hostile state activity. | 2:39:21 | 2:39:25 | |
Those are ones of which we are sure
we had the capabilities to address. | 2:39:25 | 2:39:30 | |
That has a variety of actions that
the Government takes. I indicated | 2:39:30 | 2:39:33 | |
earlier not every response actually
sets within what would be | 2:39:33 | 2:39:38 | |
conventionally called the fence. The
work of the security and | 2:39:38 | 2:39:43 | |
intelligence agencies, the work of
the office against counterterrorism | 2:39:43 | 2:39:46 | |
this is in the Home Office, these
are all part. That's why our | 2:39:46 | 2:39:52 | |
national security review is
important in bringing together all | 2:39:52 | 2:39:54 | |
parts are response ensuring that we
have the capabilities that we need. | 2:39:54 | 2:40:00 | |
Mr Speaker, from a hacking
infrastructure to spreading | 2:40:00 | 2:40:06 | |
information, the prime Minster is
coolly right that Russia has been | 2:40:06 | 2:40:08 | |
waging a cyber war against the West.
She took to the investigation of the | 2:40:08 | 2:40:14 | |
Bill. Can she ensure the House that
is more parsing needed, she will not | 2:40:14 | 2:40:20 | |
hesitate? I am very happy to give
that confirmation to the honourable | 2:40:20 | 2:40:25 | |
friend. My right eyeball friend at
the Home Secretary is already | 2:40:25 | 2:40:29 | |
looking at what further
counterterrorism powers made be | 2:40:29 | 2:40:31 | |
needed. Thank you Mr Suter. I has
had a great deal of time with | 2:40:31 | 2:40:40 | |
service workers since my Russian. It
is disappointing that we had to | 2:40:40 | 2:40:44 | |
reflect on how we keep them safe
from nerve agents. And I welcome the | 2:40:44 | 2:40:47 | |
Prime Minister process segment that
we must outlined what was | 2:40:47 | 2:40:51 | |
particularly reckless about this
attack was the decision to use Isner | 2:40:51 | 2:40:54 | |
vision that would put members of the
public and our emergency services | 2:40:54 | 2:40:58 | |
and an workers they would have to
respond at risk, can I welcome the | 2:40:58 | 2:41:01 | |
news that she will put that at the
forefront at the meeting she's due | 2:41:01 | 2:41:04 | |
to have this week and the
seriousness and the risks presented | 2:41:04 | 2:41:07 | |
to police and NHS workers in
particular for the robust | 2:41:07 | 2:41:11 | |
consequences that must now follow
was white she raises a very good | 2:41:11 | 2:41:17 | |
points in relation to our emergency
services. We have already had a book | 2:41:17 | 2:41:21 | |
at the framework on our emergency
services operate. In terms of the | 2:41:21 | 2:41:26 | |
sorts of incidents that they might
need to be responding to. We will of | 2:41:26 | 2:41:30 | |
course need to keep this under
review. Thank you Mr Speaker. The | 2:41:30 | 2:41:40 | |
attacks on Skripal were designed to
kill in hour highway. With that | 2:41:40 | 2:41:45 | |
threat in mind, can she ensure that
our national -- our national defence | 2:41:45 | 2:41:51 | |
is sufficient to meet that threat in
terms of funding? As I said earlier, | 2:41:51 | 2:41:59 | |
this is a matter of the capabilities
that we have across our security, | 2:41:59 | 2:42:05 | |
national security and defence. And
it is important that we have been | 2:42:05 | 2:42:09 | |
conducting a number of reviews and
are continuing a number of her fears | 2:42:09 | 2:42:12 | |
that goes straight to the heart of
this matter to ensure we have the | 2:42:12 | 2:42:15 | |
capabilities across the board that
we need. Thank you Mr Speaker. May I | 2:42:15 | 2:42:21 | |
commend the Prime Minister for her
statement of a robust as to which | 2:42:21 | 2:42:24 | |
they address the House was back in
the coming days when the Prime | 2:42:24 | 2:42:29 | |
Minister discusses actions whether I
like, was she at ensure that there | 2:42:29 | 2:42:33 | |
will act robustly with some of the
more recalcitrant Nato allies to | 2:42:33 | 2:42:36 | |
give clouds to the Russian athletes
to lie than to read fuel, notably | 2:42:36 | 2:42:42 | |
spin? Enough is enough. Can I say to
the honourable gentleman that I will | 2:42:42 | 2:42:47 | |
of course be raising this issue with
allies and we will be talking with | 2:42:47 | 2:42:53 | |
them about the nature of the
response that we feel is appropriate | 2:42:53 | 2:42:56 | |
to such an action having taken
place. Order. Statement, the | 2:42:56 | 2:43:02 | |
Secretary of State for Northern
Ireland. Secretary Karen Bradley. | 2:43:02 | 2:43:17 | |
Thank you. With permission, Mr
Speaker, I would like to make case | 2:43:17 | 2:43:24 | |
statement about Northern Ireland
finances. Last week I laid a written | 2:43:24 | 2:43:27 | |
statement in which I explained the
pressures on public services | 2:43:27 | 2:43:31 | |
imperative for the Government to
take steps to provide clarity to | 2:43:31 | 2:43:36 | |
enable planning in Northern Ireland
for 2000 1819. With great reluctance | 2:43:36 | 2:43:40 | |
-- 2000 18 -- 19. I set out in the
statement a capital allocation which | 2:43:40 | 2:43:48 | |
I considered to be the most balanced
and appropriate settlement for | 2:43:48 | 2:43:51 | |
Northern Ireland departments. I did
this following intensive engagement | 2:43:51 | 2:43:57 | |
with Northern Ireland civil service
and consultation with all of the | 2:43:57 | 2:43:59 | |
main Northern Ireland parties. Mr
Speaker, in the continued absence of | 2:43:59 | 2:44:05 | |
an executive, I have an obligation
to take these and any other measures | 2:44:05 | 2:44:09 | |
necessary to keep Northern Ireland
functioning. I would only take such | 2:44:09 | 2:44:12 | |
measures where they are clear and
essential and limited in nature on | 2:44:12 | 2:44:16 | |
our part -- are part of a clear and
consistent approach by the | 2:44:16 | 2:44:20 | |
Government. This approach is based a
number of principles. First, we | 2:44:20 | 2:44:24 | |
remain steadfast in our commitment
to the Belfast agreement. All that | 2:44:24 | 2:44:28 | |
we do will be with a purpose of
protecting and fulfilling the | 2:44:28 | 2:44:31 | |
agreement. But second we will take
those decisions which are necessary | 2:44:31 | 2:44:37 | |
to provide good governance and
political stability for Northern | 2:44:37 | 2:44:41 | |
Ireland, consistent always with
restrain the Executive and local | 2:44:41 | 2:44:44 | |
decision-making at the earliest
possible opportunity. Third, we will | 2:44:44 | 2:44:48 | |
continue to implement our
obligations under the agreement and | 2:44:48 | 2:44:52 | |
as success where possible, always
looking for the good of the | 2:44:52 | 2:44:55 | |
community as a whole. Finally, we
will continue to work with all of | 2:44:55 | 2:45:00 | |
Northern Ireland parties and with
the Irish government as appropriate | 2:45:00 | 2:45:03 | |
to remove the barriers to restrain
the Executive and fully functioning | 2:45:03 | 2:45:06 | |
assembly. The principles and the
core of the agreement and the | 2:45:06 | 2:45:12 | |
political institutions that it
establishes continue to have | 2:45:12 | 2:45:14 | |
powerful and unreserved support.
That means that we will uphold the | 2:45:14 | 2:45:20 | |
upload of consent, consistent with
this government's support for | 2:45:20 | 2:45:23 | |
Northern Ireland's plays within the
union and well-maintained | 2:45:23 | 2:45:27 | |
constitution and integrity of the
United Kingdom. We believe in | 2:45:27 | 2:45:32 | |
devolution and imperative for local
dissent -- decision-making by local | 2:45:32 | 2:45:36 | |
politicians. We support
power-sharing on a cross community | 2:45:36 | 2:45:38 | |
basis based on mutual respect and
recognition. Will continue to the | 2:45:38 | 2:45:42 | |
Dutch continued to support
cooperation as we leave the EU while | 2:45:42 | 2:45:49 | |
always preserving the economic
integrity of the United Kingdom. We | 2:45:49 | 2:45:51 | |
will continue to work closer with
the Irish government in full | 2:45:51 | 2:45:54 | |
accordance with the three stranded
approach. We will continue to act | 2:45:54 | 2:45:58 | |
fairly and to govern in the interest
of all parts of the community in | 2:45:58 | 2:46:02 | |
Northern Ireland. Mr Speaker, the
necessary steps which I have taken | 2:46:02 | 2:46:06 | |
and will continue to take our
consistent with all of these | 2:46:06 | 2:46:11 | |
commitments. In addition to the
steps I set out last week, there are | 2:46:11 | 2:46:15 | |
several associated measures required
to further secure public finances | 2:46:15 | 2:46:18 | |
which I will be taking forward. As
well as cutting costs, securing | 2:46:18 | 2:46:23 | |
efficiencies and beginning to take
steps to transform public services, | 2:46:23 | 2:46:26 | |
it is right to look at how income
can be increased to protect the | 2:46:26 | 2:46:31 | |
public services on which the people
of Northern Ireland depend. I will | 2:46:31 | 2:46:35 | |
introduce legislation to set a
regional rate which will increase | 2:46:35 | 2:46:38 | |
domestic rates by 3% of inflation.
This will make an important | 2:46:38 | 2:46:43 | |
contribution to sustainable finances
with additional funding addressing | 2:46:43 | 2:46:47 | |
urgent pressures in health and
education. I also intend to act to | 2:46:47 | 2:46:52 | |
extend the cost capping of the key
consensus KeyBank -- of the scheming | 2:46:52 | 2:46:58 | |
in Northern Ireland which were put
in place over a year ago. It will | 2:46:58 | 2:47:01 | |
not be acceptable to put finances at
risk by allowing that cap to last. I | 2:47:01 | 2:47:06 | |
therefore propose to extend it from
the 1st of April the minimal | 2:47:06 | 2:47:11 | |
possible step to protect the public
purse. I also concert -- confirm the | 2:47:11 | 2:47:15 | |
final spending totals for the
Northern Ireland departments for the | 2:47:15 | 2:47:19 | |
previous financial year -- for the
current at note -- for the previous | 2:47:19 | 2:47:24 | |
dear. I also believe that the time
is right to address the ongoing | 2:47:24 | 2:47:29 | |
public concern in the absence of a
functioning assembly. I think him it | 2:47:29 | 2:47:33 | |
was inserted by my predecessor to
produce an independent review and | 2:47:33 | 2:47:38 | |
recommended eight 27.5% reduction
MLA pay. Further to that I am in | 2:47:38 | 2:47:50 | |
mind to reduce... I will recommend
full and final representations for | 2:47:50 | 2:47:54 | |
that tired and parties before make
that final decision. These measures | 2:47:54 | 2:48:00 | |
adjusted reluctantly put are
necessary in the absence of a | 2:48:00 | 2:48:03 | |
functioning executive and the sadly,
will give forward planning for the | 2:48:03 | 2:48:07 | |
financial year had. They cannot
provide the local input and | 2:48:07 | 2:48:13 | |
fundamental decisions which are
needed to secure a more sustainable | 2:48:13 | 2:48:16 | |
future for Northern Ireland. My
powers as Secretary of State for | 2:48:16 | 2:48:21 | |
Northern Ireland are limited. The
scope of this House to cast | 2:48:21 | 2:48:24 | |
legislation on the default issues
which matter for Northern Ireland is | 2:48:24 | 2:48:27 | |
limited. This rightly reflects the
devolution settlement which is in | 2:48:27 | 2:48:33 | |
place into which this government is
commitment -- committed. But it does | 2:48:33 | 2:48:37 | |
mean that in continuing absence of
executive, there are fundamental | 2:48:37 | 2:48:42 | |
decisions that cannot be taken or
screwed knives as it should be. -- | 2:48:42 | 2:48:46 | |
scrutinise. This is when the
situation for 14 months already and | 2:48:46 | 2:48:50 | |
in the continuing absence, it would
be responsible for us stop to | 2:48:50 | 2:48:56 | |
consider how we might provide for
different arrangements until such | 2:48:56 | 2:48:58 | |
time as evolved institutions are
back up and running. I also continue | 2:48:58 | 2:49:04 | |
to keep under review my statutory
obligation to call on Assembly | 2:49:04 | 2:49:08 | |
election. I would welcome the views
and proposals of the Northern | 2:49:08 | 2:49:13 | |
Ireland parties and others and have
such arrangements are for local | 2:49:13 | 2:49:18 | |
decision-making and screw Nana cross
community basis might be achieved in | 2:49:18 | 2:49:20 | |
the continued accident -- as is of
an executive. And how arrangements | 2:49:20 | 2:49:27 | |
would work with other institutions
of the agreement. Let me be clear | 2:49:27 | 2:49:29 | |
that this in no way impacts my
commitment to the Belfast agreement | 2:49:29 | 2:49:36 | |
nor my commitment to work through
the barriers to the restoration | 2:49:36 | 2:49:40 | |
devolution. As the 20th anniversary
of the Belfast agreement approaches, | 2:49:40 | 2:49:45 | |
I am clear as ever that Northern
Ireland needs strong political | 2:49:45 | 2:49:49 | |
leadership from a locally elected
and accountable default government. | 2:49:49 | 2:49:51 | |
And that remains my goal. I commend
the statement to the House. Thank | 2:49:51 | 2:49:59 | |
you very much Mr Speaker and may I
begin by wishing the Secretary of | 2:49:59 | 2:50:03 | |
State is very happy birthday for
today is back and thank her for | 2:50:03 | 2:50:06 | |
advanced sight of her statement. We
did see most that last week when | 2:50:06 | 2:50:12 | |
they published the budget for
Northern Ireland in a written | 2:50:12 | 2:50:15 | |
statement that came out at 5pm on a
Thursday evening. And I do have to | 2:50:15 | 2:50:20 | |
say Mr Speaker, that is an
unsatisfactory state of affairs, a | 2:50:20 | 2:50:23 | |
bit discourteous to this House and
more apartment to the people of | 2:50:23 | 2:50:26 | |
Northern Ireland. Announcing what is
a £10.5 billion pot should affecting | 2:50:26 | 2:50:35 | |
key services for 1.8 billion
citizens -- million citizens with no | 2:50:35 | 2:50:40 | |
ability to question or challenge
those accommodations. With ads of no | 2:50:40 | 2:50:47 | |
accountable government. I'm sure the
Secretary of State would think that | 2:50:47 | 2:50:50 | |
that was not a suitable way to send
a budget for constituents in stature | 2:50:50 | 2:50:53 | |
-- her staff. And I hope she was
plain to the House why she felt it | 2:50:53 | 2:50:57 | |
was needed to be done and that's --
that fashion. Messages that this | 2:50:57 | 2:51:04 | |
sadly announcement was embarrassed
because days before the Conservative | 2:51:04 | 2:51:09 | |
Party will vote for cuts affecting
citizens in Wales and Scotland that | 2:51:09 | 2:51:14 | |
the billion pound partnership with
the DUP Meza Northern Ireland alone | 2:51:14 | 2:51:17 | |
is being spared. We welcome that
investment in Northern Ireland, Mr | 2:51:17 | 2:51:24 | |
Speaker. But we also need to see
investment in health and education | 2:51:24 | 2:51:28 | |
and other key public services in
every part of the UK, not just the | 2:51:28 | 2:51:32 | |
bit where the Tories need DUP votes.
Mr Speaker, turning out to the | 2:51:32 | 2:51:39 | |
substance of the budget, the
Secretary of State said last week | 2:51:39 | 2:51:41 | |
and repeated a moment ago that in
absence of an assembly with | 2:51:41 | 2:51:44 | |
decisions being taken by wholly
unaccountable permanent secretaries, | 2:51:44 | 2:51:48 | |
some fundamental decisions cannot be
addressed, we agree. At the do seem | 2:51:48 | 2:51:53 | |
to need to be some pretty
fundamental decisions that were | 2:51:53 | 2:51:57 | |
taken last week by the Secretary of
State and awarded she might answer | 2:51:57 | 2:52:00 | |
some questions about those today.
Firstly on the decision to put up | 2:52:00 | 2:52:05 | |
taxes in Northern Ireland for the
regional rate, and the Secretary of | 2:52:05 | 2:52:09 | |
State confirm whether that was
discussed in detail and agree with | 2:52:09 | 2:52:12 | |
any or all of the parties in
Northern Ireland? Second respected | 2:52:12 | 2:52:15 | |
to the decision of the increase of
the budget for some individual | 2:52:15 | 2:52:22 | |
departments, can she is point to the
House the reasons for increased to | 2:52:22 | 2:52:25 | |
the Department of Justice of 36
million or 70% or the Department of | 2:52:25 | 2:52:33 | |
Agriculture which saw an increase of
£40 million or are hundred and 10% | 2:52:33 | 2:52:37 | |
increase unless you're positive
budget or the Department of | 2:52:37 | 2:52:41 | |
Communities which saw £38 million or
eight 38% increase last year. I | 2:52:41 | 2:52:46 | |
should there are very good reasons
for these increases and the | 2:52:46 | 2:52:49 | |
significant cuts that have been made
to the administrative departments | 2:52:49 | 2:52:53 | |
elsewhere. But I think the House and
people of Northern Ireland deserve | 2:52:53 | 2:52:56 | |
to have some explanation as to how
these decisions and by whom and why | 2:52:56 | 2:53:00 | |
they have been made. | 2:53:00 | 2:53:09 | |
For health and education and the
£100 million transform to help | 2:53:09 | 2:53:15 | |
service and light with the report.
Could the secretary of state spell | 2:53:15 | 2:53:19 | |
out how that 80 million on health
and education and is to be divided, | 2:53:19 | 2:53:23 | |
and who will make the decision now
about the appropriate allocation? | 2:53:23 | 2:53:29 | |
And is that something that the DUP
coordination committee will be | 2:53:29 | 2:53:33 | |
discussing with the conservative
government, and it that has already | 2:53:33 | 2:53:38 | |
been discussed? When a secretary of
state talks about big health | 2:53:38 | 2:53:42 | |
reforms, she will be aware that some
of the reforms that were talked | 2:53:42 | 2:53:45 | |
about and then do let and other
health plans with respect hospital | 2:53:45 | 2:53:51 | |
closures and other changes to the
configuration of health services, | 2:53:51 | 2:53:55 | |
does the secretary of state imagine
that such big decisions could be | 2:53:55 | 2:53:59 | |
taken by civil servants? And if not,
what should it be spent on exactly? | 2:53:59 | 2:54:05 | |
Mr Speaker, the gravity of the
issues at hand and the skill of the | 2:54:05 | 2:54:08 | |
decisions being taken merely serves
to undermine what a grave crisis | 2:54:08 | 2:54:12 | |
began face now in Northern Ireland
after 14 months the Executive | 2:54:12 | 2:54:18 | |
collapse power-sharing ending and I
welcome the commitment that the | 2:54:18 | 2:54:22 | |
secretary of state reiterated today
to the Belfast agreement and the | 2:54:22 | 2:54:25 | |
principles of consent and power that
underpin it, especially in the late | 2:54:25 | 2:54:29 | |
I think of the recent attempts by
some to undermine that agreement. I | 2:54:29 | 2:54:34 | |
have to say to the secretary of
state, we need to see more than a | 2:54:34 | 2:54:38 | |
more tireless activity. We need to
see some success in the forthcoming | 2:54:38 | 2:54:42 | |
negotiations if we are to get to
next month's 20th anniversary with a | 2:54:42 | 2:54:46 | |
real sense of optimism about the
future of the agreement and the | 2:54:46 | 2:54:50 | |
future of power shift. I'm sure that
the secretary of state did not mean, | 2:54:50 | 2:54:54 | |
and she was at pains to point this
out, that she anticipate any failure | 2:54:54 | 2:54:59 | |
and those negotiations. But the
whole House and country would have | 2:54:59 | 2:55:02 | |
been struck by the acknowledgement
that we may need to look at | 2:55:02 | 2:55:07 | |
alternative means of keeping the
agreement and political | 2:55:07 | 2:55:09 | |
accountability and elite back alive
in the absence of an executive. And | 2:55:09 | 2:55:14 | |
that raises very significant
questions about the feasibility, | 2:55:14 | 2:55:16 | |
given that some parties will not
want to take part in such a shadow | 2:55:16 | 2:55:21 | |
assembly or another form of an
assembly, and a form of that | 2:55:21 | 2:55:25 | |
alternative. It also raises I think
a very significant risk and I hope | 2:55:25 | 2:55:31 | |
the secretary of state will take
particular note of, moving to an | 2:55:31 | 2:55:35 | |
alternative form of assembly would
take the pressure off the parties | 2:55:35 | 2:55:38 | |
and come to an agreement and engage
in meaningful peril. Power-sharing. | 2:55:38 | 2:55:46 | |
The secretary of state acknowledged
that risk? | 2:55:46 | 2:55:51 | |
And the last time that we see a
budget being set by this House and | 2:55:56 | 2:56:02 | |
not where it ought to be an? Mr
Speaker, can I start by thinking the | 2:56:02 | 2:56:08 | |
honourable judgement for his kind
words about my birthday, I was not | 2:56:08 | 2:56:12 | |
expecting my birth to spend my
birthday doing budget statement but | 2:56:12 | 2:56:15 | |
thank you. It is quite right, as he
has acknowledged. And we all agree, | 2:56:15 | 2:56:25 | |
these are decisions that should be
taken by locally elected | 2:56:25 | 2:56:28 | |
politicians. The people who a lot to
those politicians in Northern | 2:56:28 | 2:56:33 | |
Ireland want them to take the
decisions and I genuinely believe | 2:56:33 | 2:56:36 | |
that those politicians want to take
those decisions. We have discussed | 2:56:36 | 2:56:40 | |
this previously in this House there
are some issues on which the parties | 2:56:40 | 2:56:45 | |
cannot agree, but I agree that we
can get to a point where we can get | 2:56:45 | 2:56:49 | |
the ball to government up and
running and that is what I am | 2:56:49 | 2:56:53 | |
determined to achieve. Everything
that I have set out today is in line | 2:56:53 | 2:56:57 | |
with that aim. That is my aim, I
want to see devolved government back | 2:56:57 | 2:57:03 | |
up and Stormont. When that is by the
decisions that have been taken, | 2:57:03 | 2:57:07 | |
whilst difficult, one many to be
taken for the public services but | 2:57:07 | 2:57:10 | |
I've taken them in light of the fact
that I did not want to undermine the | 2:57:10 | 2:57:14 | |
constitutional arrangements and the
devolution settlement that there a | 2:57:14 | 2:57:17 | |
Northern Ireland. He asked about
timing he will recall what I was | 2:57:17 | 2:57:25 | |
here I committed I would lay a
budget by last week and that is why | 2:57:25 | 2:57:29 | |
it was important that I got the
written statement out last week but | 2:57:29 | 2:57:33 | |
I'm here at the earliest opportunity
to explain to the House and take | 2:57:33 | 2:57:36 | |
questions from honourable and right
honourable members across the House | 2:57:36 | 2:57:39 | |
in order that I can deal with their
concerns. I think it's important to | 2:57:39 | 2:57:45 | |
put on the record that I did not
publish a statement until I had the | 2:57:45 | 2:57:50 | |
chance to show it to all the main
parties were presented at Stormont | 2:57:50 | 2:57:53 | |
and they had had the chance to see
what the allocations were. Because | 2:57:53 | 2:57:59 | |
my fervent hope is that they would
be the individuals who would | 2:57:59 | 2:58:03 | |
actually deliver this budget and not
is why it's important that they were | 2:58:03 | 2:58:07 | |
all consulted on the work that had
been done. I also want to pay | 2:58:07 | 2:58:11 | |
tribute, Mr Speaker, to my officials
and the civil servant working. They | 2:58:11 | 2:58:22 | |
have worked hard and selflessly to
help to deliver this in a way that | 2:58:22 | 2:58:27 | |
is very uncomfortable for many
officials. They want to have | 2:58:27 | 2:58:30 | |
political direction, they want
politicians to give them direction | 2:58:30 | 2:58:34 | |
and it is very difficult to do so
and I hope they have worked above | 2:58:34 | 2:58:39 | |
and beyond anything that we have
spoken to civil servants and I want | 2:58:39 | 2:58:45 | |
to put that on the record. He asked
about the decisions that were taken | 2:58:45 | 2:58:48 | |
in terms of allocations. I looked
out to the key department, I wanted | 2:58:48 | 2:58:54 | |
to make sure there was money to
protect the policing budget. That | 2:58:54 | 2:58:58 | |
was very important, he will
acknowledge and recognise that. He | 2:58:58 | 2:59:03 | |
asked about the £100 billion from
the confidence and supply | 2:59:03 | 2:59:08 | |
arrangement for health
transformation. That is his money | 2:59:08 | 2:59:10 | |
that was recognised and agreed by
the Government needed to be spent in | 2:59:10 | 2:59:15 | |
Northern Ireland because of the
unique circumstances and Northern | 2:59:15 | 2:59:18 | |
Ireland and I visited the hospital
and dairy in London last Monday and | 2:59:18 | 2:59:24 | |
met consultants and managers there,
and it was very clear to me that | 2:59:24 | 2:59:28 | |
health transformation is a priority
and we do need to make sure that | 2:59:28 | 2:59:31 | |
that money is spent and I have taken
advice, legal advice, about how that | 2:59:31 | 2:59:37 | |
money can be spent to ensure that it
is spent on the priorities which it | 2:59:37 | 2:59:40 | |
is designed to be spent on. He asked
also about the alternative | 2:59:40 | 2:59:46 | |
approaches. You will know that many
have suggested ways that we may be | 2:59:46 | 2:59:50 | |
able to form some form of
functioning assembly or scrutiny at | 2:59:50 | 2:59:55 | |
Stormont. I am considering all the
suggestions, and I would welcome | 2:59:55 | 3:00:03 | |
further suggestions and I'm taking
legal advice on all of them because | 3:00:03 | 3:00:06 | |
I don't want to do anything that
undermines what we have achieved and | 3:00:06 | 3:00:09 | |
the 20 years and the Belfast
agreement. But if there is a way | 3:00:09 | 3:00:13 | |
that we can move ourselves back on
the road to devolved government | 3:00:13 | 3:00:18 | |
functioning and Stormont and having
scrutiny being applied by local | 3:00:18 | 3:00:21 | |
elected politicians, and that I
think we should all endeavour to try | 3:00:21 | 3:00:24 | |
to find that route if at all
possible. This is the second of four | 3:00:24 | 3:00:29 | |
ministerial statements to the House
this afternoon and notwithstanding | 3:00:29 | 3:00:32 | |
its immense importance, I appealed
to collect in the interest of | 3:00:32 | 3:00:37 | |
accommodating subsequent this is not
to prep their questions with many | 3:00:37 | 3:00:39 | |
speeches but to simply ask a pithy
questions. Nevertheless, I hope | 3:00:39 | 3:00:47 | |
you'll allow me to add my best
wishes to be secretary of state on | 3:00:47 | 3:00:51 | |
her birthday. Can I also welcome the
statement particularly the bit in | 3:00:51 | 3:00:57 | |
which she invites comments about how
we might close the Democratic... My | 3:00:57 | 3:01:02 | |
select committee has held the
suggestions and will be sending them | 3:01:02 | 3:01:05 | |
to her. Can I draw her attention to
the ministerial statement on | 3:01:05 | 3:01:08 | |
Thursday in what she says the
permanent secretaries cannot | 3:01:08 | 3:01:11 | |
position that will be available to
Ministers which is incorrect and | 3:01:11 | 3:01:14 | |
goes on to say that Ministers will
be helpful and offering guidance. | 3:01:14 | 3:01:20 | |
Can I press her on exactly what form
that guidance will take, given that | 3:01:20 | 3:01:24 | |
she has set out the departmental
expenditure limits, about what | 3:01:24 | 3:01:31 | |
actually goes to constitutes those
D. Thank you, and can I thank my | 3:01:31 | 3:01:36 | |
honourable friend for his good
wishes and for his question and the | 3:01:36 | 3:01:41 | |
work that his committee is doing
with the issue of devolution and | 3:01:41 | 3:01:46 | |
Northern Ireland. I was pleased to
give evidence to the inquiry,. I | 3:01:46 | 3:01:56 | |
look forward to their
recommendations. He is right that, | 3:01:56 | 3:02:05 | |
and the absence of ministerial
direction for storm and there is | 3:02:05 | 3:02:08 | |
concern about the work that civil
servants can do. We have worked very | 3:02:08 | 3:02:11 | |
closely with civil servants making
sure legal advice is... So they have | 3:02:11 | 3:02:20 | |
the support they need to take
decisions based on decisions that | 3:02:20 | 3:02:24 | |
were previously taken by the
Executive or certainly indicating | 3:02:24 | 3:02:27 | |
what had been taken by the
Executive. And I have for this to | 3:02:27 | 3:02:31 | |
the permanent secretary to set out
my view as to how any money should | 3:02:31 | 3:02:37 | |
be spent in line with the
recommendation that they have that | 3:02:37 | 3:02:41 | |
guidance. I think the secretary of
state on her statement and may I | 3:02:41 | 3:02:49 | |
join the House and wishing her a
happy birthday today. I will send my | 3:02:49 | 3:02:54 | |
contribution by making it clear that
while many needs to be allocated for | 3:02:54 | 3:02:57 | |
the continued funding of public
services and Northern Ireland, these | 3:02:57 | 3:03:01 | |
matters should more properly be
addressed by locally elected | 3:03:01 | 3:03:05 | |
representatives. The decision to
increase rates, a policy decision | 3:03:05 | 3:03:10 | |
that reverses key policies of storm
and. Ensure none of us want to be | 3:03:10 | 3:03:14 | |
here again, but here we are. We keep
the lights on, people wage's paid | 3:03:14 | 3:03:21 | |
can continue, we must have keep in
mind that the restoration of | 3:03:21 | 3:03:27 | |
devolved government and Northern
Ireland is the principal aim. I was | 3:03:27 | 3:03:33 | |
pleased that the secretary of state
continues to welcome the views of | 3:03:33 | 3:03:37 | |
the Northern Irish parties and other
Angel local decision-making and | 3:03:37 | 3:03:40 | |
scrutiny on a cross community basis
might be achieved. Could you tell us | 3:03:40 | 3:03:44 | |
a little bit more about how those
views and proposals might be more | 3:03:44 | 3:03:48 | |
transparently canvassed and then
shared with Northern Irish citizens? | 3:03:48 | 3:03:53 | |
In regard to the confidence and
supply agreement monies, while of | 3:03:53 | 3:03:56 | |
course no one ever progresses extra
money spent on health or education, | 3:03:56 | 3:04:03 | |
there's more than £400 million is
part of the £1 billion the DUP | 3:04:03 | 3:04:08 | |
extracted from the Conservatives to
prop up this government. In views of | 3:04:08 | 3:04:11 | |
the considerable concerns around the
steel, and recent concerns about the | 3:04:11 | 3:04:15 | |
transparency of the political
donations process in Northern | 3:04:15 | 3:04:19 | |
Ireland, when can we expect further
details on what this extra money is | 3:04:19 | 3:04:22 | |
going to be spent on? Will be
secretary of state be laying the | 3:04:22 | 3:04:27 | |
destination of that money before the
House separately to the allocation | 3:04:27 | 3:04:29 | |
of funds required to fund public
services? It's wearing that we look | 3:04:29 | 3:04:35 | |
to be stepping into a zone where
money is allocated without close | 3:04:35 | 3:04:39 | |
ministerial direction and we have
not yet seen any criteria for how | 3:04:39 | 3:04:43 | |
that money will be spent. Was she
not commit to providing much greater | 3:04:43 | 3:04:46 | |
transparency around the spending of
the DUP deal money and lay the full | 3:04:46 | 3:04:52 | |
details before the House? Can I
thank the honourable Lady, I will | 3:04:52 | 3:04:59 | |
thank everyone for their good wishes
but it's very kind. Thank you. The | 3:04:59 | 3:05:02 | |
honourable Lady asked about the
approaches, I and by any parties | 3:05:02 | 3:05:12 | |
that have suggestions about how this
could function and how we might have | 3:05:12 | 3:05:15 | |
some form of assembly functioning
with scrutiny and Starr, but I will | 3:05:15 | 3:05:21 | |
have to take legal advice on
everything that is proposed and | 3:05:21 | 3:05:25 | |
clearly if there is a suggestion
that is gathering cross party | 3:05:25 | 3:05:30 | |
support they clearly would we want
to talk about that with others so | 3:05:30 | 3:05:34 | |
that we could ensure that we were
able to do do something that | 3:05:34 | 3:05:40 | |
everyone was confident was not
something that took us back on the | 3:05:40 | 3:05:43 | |
route to devolution and not away
from it, that is my key priority. | 3:05:43 | 3:05:47 | |
She asked also about money for the
continental supply arrangement. She | 3:05:47 | 3:05:51 | |
will note that the agreement is on
the Internet available for anybody | 3:05:51 | 3:05:57 | |
to see and download, but I think she
should also recognise that these are | 3:05:57 | 3:06:02 | |
important particularly changes to
infrastructure, that has been needed | 3:06:02 | 3:06:05 | |
for some time. This is something
that anybody in Belfast will know is | 3:06:05 | 3:06:12 | |
crying out for investment and change
to be made, and that is why the | 3:06:12 | 3:06:16 | |
Government wants to make sure that
money is spent on things and needs | 3:06:16 | 3:06:21 | |
to be spent on, including health
transformation and line with the | 3:06:21 | 3:06:25 | |
recommendation. Thank you Mr
Speaker. Does my right honourable | 3:06:25 | 3:06:31 | |
friend think that allocations and
the budget are largely suggested by | 3:06:31 | 3:06:38 | |
the Northern Ireland civil service
which is pretty canny, would bat the | 3:06:38 | 3:06:44 | |
same civil service was inviting that
the Executive is not working at the | 3:06:44 | 3:06:49 | |
moment. Clearly my honourable friend
is right to say that these are | 3:06:49 | 3:06:56 | |
conversations that the Northern
islands of a have at the parties, as | 3:06:56 | 3:07:00 | |
well as with the UK Government. And
they have been incredibly | 3:07:00 | 3:07:07 | |
professional ensuring they looked at
the decisions that were taken by the | 3:07:07 | 3:07:13 | |
Executive before the Executive
collapse and also the programme for | 3:07:13 | 3:07:18 | |
government that they have had. And
also, it reflects the priorities | 3:07:18 | 3:07:23 | |
that the UK Government and ensuring
the health and education policing | 3:07:23 | 3:07:26 | |
our protected. Can I join in wishing
the secretary of State every best | 3:07:26 | 3:07:34 | |
wish on this momentous occasion and
can I think the secretary of state | 3:07:34 | 3:07:39 | |
for her statement and the
Government's live support and that | 3:07:39 | 3:07:42 | |
statement, once again, for Northern
Ireland's plays within the United | 3:07:42 | 3:07:46 | |
Kingdom that is very welcome. Also
welcome, the budget statement and | 3:07:46 | 3:07:52 | |
the £410 million extra to Northern
Ireland as a result of the competent | 3:07:52 | 3:07:56 | |
supply agreement which is going on
infrastructure, health, education, | 3:07:56 | 3:08:00 | |
to deprived communities to mental
health, East and West, urban and | 3:08:00 | 3:08:05 | |
rural, nationalist and unionist,
everyone benefits. That's a good | 3:08:05 | 3:08:09 | |
news story for Northern Ireland and
has been welcomed across Northern | 3:08:09 | 3:08:13 | |
Ireland as such. Can I welcome her
statement today where it says that | 3:08:13 | 3:08:17 | |
she is now going to take a series of
decisions which the Government is | 3:08:17 | 3:08:25 | |
beginning to take for the good
government of Northern Ireland? This | 3:08:25 | 3:08:27 | |
is long overdue and I welcome the
series of measures that she has | 3:08:27 | 3:08:30 | |
announced and also welcome very
warmly her willingness to look at | 3:08:30 | 3:08:34 | |
arrangements providing for local
decision-making and scrutiny across | 3:08:34 | 3:08:36 | |
community basis in the meantime she
can be assured of our full support | 3:08:36 | 3:08:42 | |
and engagement in that process. We
want devolution up and running, she | 3:08:42 | 3:08:46 | |
knows he would form the Executive
tomorrow on the bases of the agreed | 3:08:46 | 3:08:50 | |
programme for government with Sinn
Fein and we welcome all | 3:08:50 | 3:09:00 | |
Can I thank the right honourable of
general men for both his well wishes | 3:09:00 | 3:09:04 | |
and his comment. And also can I
thank the DUP for the role that they | 3:09:04 | 3:09:08 | |
played along with all of the other
parties in working with the | 3:09:08 | 3:09:11 | |
governments to deliver the budget
and ensure that we were able to | 3:09:11 | 3:09:16 | |
reflect the priorities of the
parties of Northern Ireland? And he | 3:09:16 | 3:09:21 | |
is right that the confidence and an
supply arrangement that -- money | 3:09:21 | 3:09:28 | |
that we have reached is absolutely
met the spent on a cross community | 3:09:28 | 3:09:31 | |
basis for all parts of Northern
Ireland dealing with some issues | 3:09:31 | 3:09:34 | |
that have been perhaps underfunded
in the past like infrastructure that | 3:09:34 | 3:09:41 | |
need of funding today and I thank
him for his kind words. Thank you Mr | 3:09:41 | 3:09:46 | |
Speaker. I welcome the Secretary of
State positive review of MLA pay. On | 3:09:46 | 3:09:50 | |
a separate matter does she think it
is unsustainable for honourable | 3:09:50 | 3:09:54 | |
members in this plates who do not
take their seats to take | 3:09:54 | 3:09:58 | |
representative money from political
campaigning? Can I thank my right | 3:09:58 | 3:10:03 | |
honourable friend. Clearly the
manager first is a matter for this | 3:10:03 | 3:10:09 | |
House and I know that there are
members of this House who are well | 3:10:09 | 3:10:12 | |
aware and first in the procedures
that are needed for such matters. | 3:10:12 | 3:10:17 | |
Clearly the issue of an up pay is
something and you look at as a | 3:10:17 | 3:10:20 | |
result the review done and I would
welcome representations from that. | 3:10:20 | 3:10:29 | |
Can also thank the Secretary of
State for the statement. They are | 3:10:29 | 3:10:38 | |
sad, but inevitable. It is sad but
inevitable that it should have to | 3:10:38 | 3:10:42 | |
come in this way. But what we're
doing here is treating it not as an | 3:10:42 | 3:10:48 | |
underlying disease. The reason, so
the chairperson of policing Board | 3:10:48 | 3:10:55 | |
and the need for proper
accountability of policing in | 3:10:55 | 3:10:57 | |
Northern Ireland. When we see that
PS and I is spending under Dragon | 3:10:57 | 3:11:01 | |
£25,000 a day on overtime doesn't
not really say... Is it not | 3:11:01 | 3:11:08 | |
something else that needs to be
tackled? Mr Speaker, the right | 3:11:08 | 3:11:14 | |
honourable gentleman makes a point
that were fakes once again why we | 3:11:14 | 3:11:18 | |
need to evolve government
instalment. I have met the chair of | 3:11:18 | 3:11:21 | |
the policing board and the Chief
Constable about this matter. Both | 3:11:21 | 3:11:24 | |
are keen to see the book
overrepresentation of the policing | 3:11:24 | 3:11:29 | |
Board restored to add that proper
governance. I will be in Washington | 3:11:29 | 3:11:36 | |
at the end of the week for the St
Patrick's Day event and believed he | 3:11:36 | 3:11:41 | |
will be there and I hope to catch up
with her and discuss how we might | 3:11:41 | 3:11:44 | |
make that a reality stop the my
decisions were under the clear | 3:11:44 | 3:11:49 | |
impression that the main purpose and
life of Sinn Fein was to avoid all | 3:11:49 | 3:11:54 | |
costs direct rule from Westminster.
Is it clear and that by refusing to | 3:11:54 | 3:12:00 | |
reach an agreement with the DUP
commission fain have brought about | 3:12:00 | 3:12:03 | |
exactly which they always campaigned
to avoid? -- Sinn Fein I don't want | 3:12:03 | 3:12:09 | |
to get into the wiser what's about
the process. I do know that all | 3:12:09 | 3:12:16 | |
sides have given me very strong
commitment that they want to go back | 3:12:16 | 3:12:21 | |
into Galt -- into devolved
government and I want to find a way | 3:12:21 | 3:12:24 | |
we can make that a reality. Lady
Herman. Thank you Mr Speaker. She | 3:12:24 | 3:12:32 | |
noted very carefully that she was
very decisive about an increase in | 3:12:32 | 3:12:38 | |
Northern Ireland. I was extremely
disappointed to put it lightly that | 3:12:38 | 3:12:42 | |
the Secretary of State continues to
go about cutting the salaries of MLA | 3:12:42 | 3:12:47 | |
is. Doesn't the Secretary of State
accept and recognise that it is | 3:12:47 | 3:12:53 | |
morally indefensible that and always
should continue to receive a full | 3:12:53 | 3:12:56 | |
salary in the absence of a
functioning assembly for 14 months? | 3:12:56 | 3:13:02 | |
Morally indefensible. Mr Speaker,
the honourable Lady sums up the | 3:13:02 | 3:13:06 | |
comments I have been made to me by
members of the public across | 3:13:06 | 3:13:09 | |
Northern Ireland. But I do want to
make sure that everybody has the | 3:13:09 | 3:13:14 | |
chance to make representations about
this matter. So that the power that | 3:13:14 | 3:13:17 | |
we can't legislate forward in
Westminster is used appropriately. I | 3:13:17 | 3:13:24 | |
also do want to say and I have said
to her at the select committee that | 3:13:24 | 3:13:29 | |
whilst I think there are good
grounds to look at the pay of MLA | 3:13:29 | 3:13:34 | |
is, I don't think that their staff
should, that the paper said should | 3:13:34 | 3:13:39 | |
be affected. I think we would all
agree that our staff do fantastic | 3:13:39 | 3:13:43 | |
work and that they need to be
properly remunerated for the great | 3:13:43 | 3:13:47 | |
work that they do and for the
constituents of the MLA is. I | 3:13:47 | 3:13:51 | |
welcome this statement, but would
she agree with me that the fact that | 3:13:51 | 3:13:56 | |
this year and on the Priebus budget
that she has had to take some | 3:13:56 | 3:13:59 | |
decisions that could not have been
thought through -- but there are | 3:13:59 | 3:14:03 | |
things today that are several step
further towards rule and were few | 3:14:03 | 3:14:08 | |
week ago? I do not agree with my
right honourable friend. I think | 3:14:08 | 3:14:12 | |
there was a budget that needed to be
balanced. These were steps that were | 3:14:12 | 3:14:16 | |
taken to balance that budget. And I
have done so. Mindful, consistently | 3:14:16 | 3:14:24 | |
of the need to make sure that we
plates and maintain the position of | 3:14:24 | 3:14:29 | |
restoring devolved government
wherever possible. Gregory Campbell. | 3:14:29 | 3:14:34 | |
In welcoming the Secretary of
State's statements like others, I | 3:14:34 | 3:14:41 | |
also concur in wishing her a happy
birthday. And I also say that there | 3:14:41 | 3:14:44 | |
is a very good move in terms of her
consultation about the MLA salary | 3:14:44 | 3:14:49 | |
issue. But what she agree with me
that it would be intolerable to move | 3:14:49 | 3:14:53 | |
on that if the House were not also
to move on the issue of MPs from | 3:14:53 | 3:14:59 | |
Sinn Fein who deliberately boycott
this House rather than MLA to | 3:14:59 | 3:15:03 | |
prevent them from doing therefore
job? Mr Speaker, the honourable | 3:15:03 | 3:15:07 | |
gentleman, I thank him for his kind
words,, knows that this is a matter | 3:15:07 | 3:15:12 | |
for the House but that the House
will have heard the strong words | 3:15:12 | 3:15:15 | |
from both sides. Thank you sir. Can
I start by training -- painter bid | 3:15:15 | 3:15:21 | |
to my right honourable friend and
her predecessor for the tireless | 3:15:21 | 3:15:25 | |
work to try to restore devolved
government in Northern Ireland and | 3:15:25 | 3:15:28 | |
Cannes jury affirmed that her clear
commitment toward working to that | 3:15:28 | 3:15:31 | |
Brecht dashed workings at evolve
government to ensure that why | 3:15:31 | 3:15:36 | |
network goes on, through this
budget, that the people of Northern | 3:15:36 | 3:15:40 | |
Ireland continue to receive the
services and investment that they | 3:15:40 | 3:15:43 | |
need? I thank my honourable friend
for his question. He seemed to have | 3:15:43 | 3:15:50 | |
a frog in his throat, but he seemed
to do very well in delivering it | 3:15:50 | 3:15:54 | |
without coughing too much. I do
agree with him. It would not be | 3:15:54 | 3:15:58 | |
tolerable for the UK Government to
not do what is necessary to enable | 3:15:58 | 3:16:04 | |
public services to continue to be
delivered. The people I have met in | 3:16:04 | 3:16:09 | |
Northern Ireland have been very
dedicated public services -- | 3:16:09 | 3:16:12 | |
servants, they do really deserve
that. So they can continue to | 3:16:12 | 3:16:16 | |
deliver the schools, the policing
and all other man is a public | 3:16:16 | 3:16:18 | |
services that... . There are some
decisions that cannot be taken in | 3:16:18 | 3:16:26 | |
Northern Ireland at the moment. Can
she say how long it will go on | 3:16:26 | 3:16:29 | |
before accepting that we had to
decide to go further and appoint | 3:16:29 | 3:16:32 | |
Ministers in which you make a
decision in the next month please | 3:16:32 | 3:16:36 | |
stop on the Commonwealth youth games
that is supposed be held in our | 3:16:36 | 3:16:40 | |
Northern Ireland in 2021 and that if
there are no decisions taken by the | 3:16:40 | 3:16:44 | |
end of the month, that we will lose
those games? The honourable Lady who | 3:16:44 | 3:16:49 | |
was a great spokesman Mr knows
exactly what the problem and our | 3:16:49 | 3:16:54 | |
member from my previous break the
frustration of the fact that Belfast | 3:16:54 | 3:16:56 | |
has been awarded the Commonwealth
youth games. But in the absence of | 3:16:56 | 3:17:02 | |
an incest -- of Ministers to sign
the appropriate documentation | 3:17:02 | 3:17:09 | |
Anchorage actual intermission, there
was great difficulty. -- contractual | 3:17:09 | 3:17:12 | |
information. I am looking to resolve
as many issues and this is one of | 3:17:12 | 3:17:19 | |
those issues certainly on my table
at the moment. Mr Speaker can I | 3:17:19 | 3:17:23 | |
welcome the Secretary of statement
-- stay positive statement and that | 3:17:23 | 3:17:27 | |
action that will be taken MLA pay.
She is up for full and final | 3:17:27 | 3:17:31 | |
representation from the island
parlays. But would she be seeking | 3:17:31 | 3:17:37 | |
from community groups, many of whom
who have had to fill the gap left by | 3:17:37 | 3:17:41 | |
and always carrying out Parliament
to do it -- duties? Mr Speaker, I | 3:17:41 | 3:17:49 | |
would welcome representations from
all. So far the work being done by | 3:17:49 | 3:17:53 | |
Trevor Rini which I thank him for
the recommendations, but it would be | 3:17:53 | 3:17:59 | |
helpful to hear from all parties and
all sides as to the news on this | 3:17:59 | 3:18:04 | |
matter. Sandy Wilson's. We welcome
the fact that the... Does he | 3:18:04 | 3:18:11 | |
recognise that there are hundreds of
decisions about how that money is | 3:18:11 | 3:18:18 | |
spent that to require some input
from the Minister and will she give | 3:18:18 | 3:18:21 | |
a commitment that those issues will
be addressed by the promises that | 3:18:21 | 3:18:27 | |
she has made to the House today to
look at further measures? Mr | 3:18:27 | 3:18:31 | |
Speaker, in terms of the budget that
I have spoken about today, I am | 3:18:31 | 3:18:36 | |
confident that the director is there
for civil servants to deliver. As | 3:18:36 | 3:18:42 | |
required and as wanted by all
parties. But he is right that there | 3:18:42 | 3:18:48 | |
are many decisions that are waiting
and it is frustrating for all, and I | 3:18:48 | 3:18:52 | |
ensure it is frustrating for him
that in the absence of a devolved | 3:18:52 | 3:18:55 | |
demonstration in Northern Ireland
that some of those decisions have | 3:18:55 | 3:18:57 | |
not yet been taken. Thank you Mr
Speaker. I agree with my right | 3:18:57 | 3:19:03 | |
honourable friend that it is deeply
regrettable that she has had to take | 3:19:03 | 3:19:05 | |
actions that out today in regards to
the budget for Northern Ireland | 3:19:05 | 3:19:09 | |
which is no substitute for local
Ministers on the ground making | 3:19:09 | 3:19:12 | |
incisions. Will she assure the House
today that she would do everything | 3:19:12 | 3:19:15 | |
to prevent any and the direct rule?
Mr Speaker, my priority is to | 3:19:15 | 3:19:23 | |
restore devolved government in
Northern Ireland. For the good of | 3:19:23 | 3:19:27 | |
the Union, for the good of the
people of Northern Ireland, that is | 3:19:27 | 3:19:31 | |
the right thing to do. I also think
that is the primary aim of the Irish | 3:19:31 | 3:19:38 | |
government as well. And I want to
put on the record my thanks for | 3:19:38 | 3:19:42 | |
their support in the talks process
and I know they are committed to | 3:19:42 | 3:19:46 | |
restoring devolved government as we
are. Could the Minister set a | 3:19:46 | 3:19:51 | |
timetable for her consideration of a
halfway house of some in the certain | 3:19:51 | 3:19:57 | |
issues that have been mentioned
across the House she would have | 3:19:57 | 3:20:02 | |
support of a malaise to table
questions and to scrutinise | 3:20:02 | 3:20:04 | |
decisions. As a direct room and so,
I know there are hundreds of | 3:20:04 | 3:20:09 | |
decisions taken every day by
Ministers that are now not been | 3:20:09 | 3:20:11 | |
taken and scrutiny needs to be given
to those who are making those | 3:20:11 | 3:20:15 | |
decisions. Mr Speaker, he served as
a Minister in 2004, sometime around | 3:20:15 | 3:20:26 | |
there, it is producing which in
doing so. 2005 and six, I ended | 3:20:26 | 3:20:32 | |
being corrected by the opposition
backbench. It always happens. He is | 3:20:32 | 3:20:39 | |
right that these are decisions that
need to be taken, we do want to see | 3:20:39 | 3:20:42 | |
devolved government and we want to
see decisions and scrutiny been | 3:20:42 | 3:20:46 | |
taken into. I went up put a time
frame on it because we need to find | 3:20:46 | 3:20:52 | |
something that has consent as he
will no constitutional changes in | 3:20:52 | 3:20:57 | |
Northern Ireland, we would need all
communities. And I do need to work | 3:20:57 | 3:21:03 | |
through all suggestions would be. I
would welcome his suggestions from | 3:21:03 | 3:21:07 | |
his extensive x-rays of doing the
job. Thank you Mr Speaker. I welcome | 3:21:07 | 3:21:12 | |
this statement, but it is a
statement that that is the right | 3:21:12 | 3:21:15 | |
thing to do an given the right
approach. We would much rather these | 3:21:15 | 3:21:19 | |
decisions being taken back into
instalment work -- in the storm and | 3:21:19 | 3:21:23 | |
where they should be taken. Would
she agree with me that this is about | 3:21:23 | 3:21:28 | |
a whole range of decisions that need
to be delivered based on the agreed | 3:21:28 | 3:21:33 | |
programme of governing, not just
literally relying on the UK | 3:21:33 | 3:21:35 | |
Government to step in? --? I agree
he sums it up very well. I welcome | 3:21:35 | 3:21:44 | |
or seven because she outlined for
the House what actions she intends | 3:21:44 | 3:21:47 | |
to take in the efficiency within the
efficiencies within the different | 3:21:47 | 3:21:53 | |
departments as she has outlined in
her statement? Mr Speaker, the | 3:21:53 | 3:21:57 | |
honourable gentleman will know that
in Northern Ireland civil service | 3:21:57 | 3:22:03 | |
has started work on efficiencies
before the Executive collapsed to | 3:22:03 | 3:22:06 | |
stop --. They have been things
talked about within ministries | 3:22:06 | 3:22:11 | |
before it there were Ministers in
place. It is working forward from | 3:22:11 | 3:22:16 | |
the programme to deliver those
efficiencies as was previously being | 3:22:16 | 3:22:22 | |
looked at by the Ministers. I
recognise this is all terribly... | 3:22:22 | 3:22:25 | |
Difficult to explain. But we are
working within the boundaries of | 3:22:25 | 3:22:29 | |
what we can. I very much welcome the
strong commitment to the Belfast | 3:22:29 | 3:22:38 | |
Good Friday Agreement. That is... Is
welcome to the rest of the United | 3:22:38 | 3:22:46 | |
Kingdom. But in tying of the money,
the strength of that undermined. | 3:22:46 | 3:22:52 | |
What impact assessment has the
Secretary of State done on the | 3:22:52 | 3:22:55 | |
confidence and supply money? Mr
Speaker, the confidence and supply | 3:22:55 | 3:23:00 | |
money as a say, the agreement is on
the Internet and publicly available. | 3:23:00 | 3:23:05 | |
It was recognised those priorities
and those issues that need to | 3:23:05 | 3:23:10 | |
support and needed additional
funding. This is not been an -- this | 3:23:10 | 3:23:15 | |
has not been an easy process.
Balancing budgets is not easy. But | 3:23:15 | 3:23:19 | |
we have done so mindful to all of
the arrangements and to the previous | 3:23:19 | 3:23:25 | |
governments of what they had done. | 3:23:25 | 3:23:29 | |
Can she confirm that not all
political parties will be... And was | 3:23:29 | 3:23:37 | |
she outline who made the political
decisions? Mr Speaker, as the UK | 3:23:37 | 3:23:43 | |
Government we have had to take those
decisions, but I ensure that all | 3:23:43 | 3:23:48 | |
parties saw the statement, saw the
allocations, and were allowed to | 3:23:48 | 3:23:51 | |
have been put into them both before
the Thursday but I have the final | 3:23:51 | 3:23:57 | |
figures, but during that period to
ensure that they were all able to | 3:23:57 | 3:24:01 | |
make some contribution towards the
work we were doing. Can I think the | 3:24:01 | 3:24:08 | |
secretary of state and welcome the
budget about key decisions that are | 3:24:08 | 3:24:11 | |
urgently required such as the
support for the victims of this, but | 3:24:11 | 3:24:16 | |
can the secretary of state also
confirmed that she has been informed | 3:24:16 | 3:24:20 | |
by departments they will not be able
to balance their budgets within | 3:24:20 | 3:24:25 | |
those departments for the next year?
Mr Speaker, that is not the advice | 3:24:25 | 3:24:31 | |
that I've had, but she is right. She
should be concerned about legacy and | 3:24:31 | 3:24:37 | |
also about victims of institutional
abuse. These are matters that, the | 3:24:37 | 3:24:44 | |
UK Government is used to... On the
Stormont agreement and to setting | 3:24:44 | 3:24:51 | |
those up. On historical abuse, the
inquiry was set up by the Executive | 3:24:51 | 3:24:56 | |
before it collapsed. It is therefore
constitutionally very difficult for | 3:24:56 | 3:25:00 | |
other party or government to look at
the decisions and recommendations | 3:25:00 | 3:25:06 | |
from that review as it was not a
review that was instigated by the UK | 3:25:06 | 3:25:11 | |
Parliament or the UK Government. She
absolutely describes the tension | 3:25:11 | 3:25:14 | |
that we are operating within. Thank
you very much secretary of State for | 3:25:14 | 3:25:23 | |
the statement to the House and can I
wish you many happy returns. It's | 3:25:23 | 3:25:28 | |
interesting to note that the message
that we are receiving from civil | 3:25:28 | 3:25:33 | |
servants is they cannot move on and
make decisions as to where money | 3:25:33 | 3:25:37 | |
should be spent. In the absence of
there not being an assembly, and | 3:25:37 | 3:25:41 | |
unlikely to be an assembly in the
foreseeable future, it is important | 3:25:41 | 3:25:45 | |
that we have Ministers making
decisions, and if not yourself other | 3:25:45 | 3:25:49 | |
Ministers, when is this going to
happen? Mr Speaker, I have attempted | 3:25:49 | 3:25:55 | |
in this budget to deliver a
certainty, financial certainty that | 3:25:55 | 3:26:00 | |
is needed to enable public services
to continue. And of course, it is | 3:26:00 | 3:26:04 | |
down to if devolved government is up
and running in Starr, -- and | 3:26:04 | 3:26:12 | |
Stormont, then Stormont can't amend
the way the budget has operates. I | 3:26:12 | 3:26:16 | |
have done what I have to do to
enable public services to continue | 3:26:16 | 3:26:20 | |
to enable public servants to have
some certainty within the | 3:26:20 | 3:26:25 | |
restrictions of what is possible for
me as Secretary of State for | 3:26:25 | 3:26:28 | |
Northern Ireland. Thank you very
much Mr Speaker and happy returns to | 3:26:28 | 3:26:36 | |
the secretary of state from across
the House and cross party agreement | 3:26:36 | 3:26:40 | |
on this northern Ireland statement
time. I understand the secretary of | 3:26:40 | 3:26:44 | |
State's caution and her concerned
and reluctance to advanced issues of | 3:26:44 | 3:26:49 | |
direct rule, but in today's
statement and providing a soft | 3:26:49 | 3:26:53 | |
landing for the perpetual glidepath
that we've had for the last 14 | 3:26:53 | 3:26:56 | |
months, can I encourage her to be
bold, to provide the political | 3:26:56 | 3:27:02 | |
opportunities for decision-making
for the benefits and interest of all | 3:27:02 | 3:27:05 | |
the people in Northern Ireland, and
to do it with confidence? Mr | 3:27:05 | 3:27:09 | |
Speaker, I think the honourable
gentleman for his good wishes. If I | 3:27:09 | 3:27:13 | |
can repeat, and I am committed to
the Belfast agreement and the | 3:27:13 | 3:27:17 | |
institutions that were set up under
the Belfast agreement. I want to be | 3:27:17 | 3:27:21 | |
in a position that those
institutions can be up and running | 3:27:21 | 3:27:24 | |
and can be delivered for the people
of Northern Ireland, the politicians | 3:27:24 | 3:27:29 | |
they'll elected delivering for them.
That is what I want to determine to | 3:27:29 | 3:27:34 | |
do, and I don't want to undermine
that in any way. So, that is the | 3:27:34 | 3:27:40 | |
very difficult balancing act I've
been operating under. I wanted to | 3:27:40 | 3:27:43 | |
make sure that civil servants of the
certainty they needed and that they | 3:27:43 | 3:27:45 | |
have the money that they needed, but
without undermining. I would welcome | 3:27:45 | 3:27:50 | |
any suggestions from him and others
about what sort of constitutional | 3:27:50 | 3:27:54 | |
arrangements could be put in place
to get back to devolved government. | 3:27:54 | 3:28:00 | |
Thank you, order. Statement the
Secretary of State for International | 3:28:00 | 3:28:04 | |
Development, Secretary Doctor Liam
Fox. Thank you. Mr Speaker, on | 3:28:04 | 3:28:10 | |
Thursday the 8th of March President
Trump announced that the United | 3:28:10 | 3:28:13 | |
States would impose tariffs of 25%
on steel imports in a 10% tariff on | 3:28:13 | 3:28:20 | |
aluminium imports after a period of
15 days, the final date being the | 3:28:20 | 3:28:24 | |
23rd of March. Canada and Mexico
within the United States is | 3:28:24 | 3:28:31 | |
renegotiating the North American
Free Trade Agreement, have been | 3:28:31 | 3:28:32 | |
exempted from the tariffs subject to
successful conclusion of the Nafta | 3:28:32 | 3:28:37 | |
negotiations. For the products
within the scope of this | 3:28:37 | 3:28:42 | |
investigation, and 2017, the US
accounted for 7% of UK steel exports | 3:28:42 | 3:28:49 | |
and 3% of UK aluminium exports. In
addition, the UK accounted for 1% of | 3:28:49 | 3:28:53 | |
US steel imports into your .1% of US
aluminium imports and tonnage value | 3:28:53 | 3:29:02 | |
of 360 million and £29 million,
respectively. The president also | 3:29:02 | 3:29:05 | |
outlined that there scope for
further countries and certain | 3:29:05 | 3:29:09 | |
products to be exempted from those
tariffs. From a UK perspective, as | 3:29:09 | 3:29:14 | |
members of this House know, the UK
and US are strong partners and | 3:29:14 | 3:29:19 | |
allies in the US UK economic and
security relationship is very | 3:29:19 | 3:29:23 | |
important. The glass is our largest
single trading nation partner | 3:29:23 | 3:29:28 | |
accounting for a set of all of our
exports worth over £100 billion a | 3:29:28 | 3:29:32 | |
year. It is also a top destination
for outward direct investment by the | 3:29:32 | 3:29:36 | |
UK and the single biggest source of
inward investment into the UK. We | 3:29:36 | 3:29:40 | |
have a long-standing and special
relationship with the US. However, | 3:29:40 | 3:29:44 | |
this does not mean that if we
disagree with something that we will | 3:29:44 | 3:29:48 | |
not say so. And Mr Deputy Speaker,
we do disagree with the US decision | 3:29:48 | 3:29:52 | |
to implement tariffs on steel and
aluminium imports based on national | 3:29:52 | 3:29:57 | |
security considerations. These
unilateral trade measures have a | 3:29:57 | 3:30:03 | |
weak foundations and international
law and they are not consistent with | 3:30:03 | 3:30:06 | |
the Department of defence's on
judgement and an investigation that | 3:30:06 | 3:30:11 | |
was conducted on the basis of
national security. It was | 3:30:11 | 3:30:15 | |
undoubtedly a problem of
overcapacity in the global steel | 3:30:15 | 3:30:17 | |
market, but our strong view is that
a global problem will cause a global | 3:30:17 | 3:30:25 | |
solution that unilateral action. The
UK has worked hard to address this | 3:30:25 | 3:30:29 | |
issue of overcapacity. The Prime
Minister called for a form of T20 | 3:30:29 | 3:30:33 | |
members to tackle this issue which
my right honourable friend the | 3:30:33 | 3:30:36 | |
Secretary of State for Business and
energy and industrial strategy | 3:30:36 | 3:30:40 | |
intended in Berlin in November. And
most recently, the Prime Minister | 3:30:40 | 3:30:47 | |
raised it during her visit to China
which is the worlds leading producer | 3:30:47 | 3:30:50 | |
of steel and aluminium products. The
UK will continue to work within the | 3:30:50 | 3:30:58 | |
rules based international trade
system to tackle this problem. Since | 3:30:58 | 3:31:03 | |
the president asked the Commerce
Department to launch the | 3:31:03 | 3:31:06 | |
investigation into the national
security impact of steel and | 3:31:06 | 3:31:09 | |
aluminium imports last April, the
Government has made clear on | 3:31:09 | 3:31:12 | |
repeated occasions to the
administration that potentially | 3:31:12 | 3:31:16 | |
damaging impact of tariffs on the UK
and the ED steel and aluminium | 3:31:16 | 3:31:22 | |
industries so the Prime Minister has
raised her concerns directly with | 3:31:22 | 3:31:26 | |
President Trump. I myself have
spoken on several occasion to the | 3:31:26 | 3:31:30 | |
commerce secretary and the US trade
representative about the | 3:31:30 | 3:31:33 | |
investigation, including this
afternoon. I've also spoken again | 3:31:33 | 3:31:37 | |
today but the director general of
the WTO and regularly speak with EU | 3:31:37 | 3:31:42 | |
trade Commissioner. Several of my
Cabinet colleagues erased it with | 3:31:42 | 3:31:48 | |
their offices and the Government has
worked closely with the EU as of our | 3:31:48 | 3:31:53 | |
unified response. I can assure my
right honourable and honourable | 3:31:53 | 3:31:57 | |
friends that have been in regular
contact with the UK steel and | 3:31:57 | 3:32:00 | |
aluminium industry throughout and I
spoke to Gary at the begin and also | 3:32:00 | 3:32:04 | |
this afternoon. Mr Speaker, there
are two routes to petition the US | 3:32:04 | 3:32:08 | |
for exemptions from the tariffs. The
first overseen by the US trade | 3:32:08 | 3:32:14 | |
representative, will exempt
countries was with which the US has | 3:32:14 | 3:32:18 | |
a strong national security
relationship and alternative means | 3:32:18 | 3:32:23 | |
to address the threat to US national
security from the relevant imports. | 3:32:23 | 3:32:28 | |
And second, overseen by the Commerce
Department, will evaluate product | 3:32:28 | 3:32:32 | |
exemptions if there deemed there is
no domestic US alternative and | 3:32:32 | 3:32:37 | |
national security considerations but
only after a request for exclusion | 3:32:37 | 3:32:40 | |
is made by directly affected parties
located in the United States. The | 3:32:40 | 3:32:46 | |
Department for Business energy and
industrial strategy will be | 3:32:46 | 3:32:51 | |
assisting UK industry and working
with US customers to build their | 3:32:51 | 3:32:54 | |
cases for the exemption of
individual products. I will be | 3:32:54 | 3:32:57 | |
travelling to Washington this week
for meeting face-to-face with the US | 3:32:57 | 3:33:00 | |
trade representative and a commerce
secretary as well as leading members | 3:33:00 | 3:33:06 | |
of Congress. I'll be making the case
for the UK as part of the EU. We | 3:33:06 | 3:33:12 | |
have a strong defence and security
cooperation relationship, as close | 3:33:12 | 3:33:17 | |
allies and Nato permanent members of
the UN Security Council and nuclear | 3:33:17 | 3:33:22 | |
powers." Version between the US and
UK is vital to international peace | 3:33:22 | 3:33:26 | |
and security. As the House is aware,
our current membership of the | 3:33:26 | 3:33:30 | |
European Union means that the
European Commission will be cord | 3:33:30 | 3:33:33 | |
knitting the EU response and we've
been clear that we will continue to | 3:33:33 | 3:33:37 | |
adhere to the cooperation. The EU
response is focused on three | 3:33:37 | 3:33:43 | |
possible areas. First, the European
Commission is preparing to introduce | 3:33:43 | 3:33:46 | |
and media duties on the US ahead of
a WTO dispute. The EU has shared a | 3:33:46 | 3:33:52 | |
draft list of proposed items for
duties and we expect to protect the | 3:33:52 | 3:34:04 | |
steel and aluminium industries from
being damaged by an influx of | 3:34:04 | 3:34:08 | |
exports to the EU caused by the
displacing effect of US tariffs. And | 3:34:08 | 3:34:12 | |
third, the EU can pursue a dispute
at the WTO. We are currently | 3:34:12 | 3:34:17 | |
evaluating all aspects of these
responses together. Mr Speaker, we | 3:34:17 | 3:34:22 | |
are clear that it is right to seek
to defend our industries from the | 3:34:22 | 3:34:26 | |
direct and indirect impact of these
US tariffs are taking both jobs and | 3:34:26 | 3:34:30 | |
industrial capacity. We will also
press for any response of the EU to | 3:34:30 | 3:34:35 | |
be measure and proportionate. It's
important that the UK and EU | 3:34:35 | 3:34:40 | |
response words within the boundaries
of the rules based international | 3:34:40 | 3:34:43 | |
trading system. Over the coming
days, we will be working closely | 3:34:43 | 3:34:47 | |
with British industry and the EU to
seek swift clarification and | 3:34:47 | 3:34:54 | |
mitigation. I commend this statement
to this House. Mr Deputy Speaker as | 3:34:54 | 3:35:00 | |
pink the Secretary of State for
advanced side of his statement and | 3:35:00 | 3:35:03 | |
his telephone call over the weekend.
-- I think the secretary of state. | 3:35:03 | 3:35:07 | |
The world steel industry is on the
verge of a crisis. 32,000 workers | 3:35:07 | 3:35:12 | |
and the steel industry are facing an
existential threat to their jobs. | 3:35:12 | 3:35:15 | |
Many of those men and women are
angry that it has taken the | 3:35:15 | 3:35:19 | |
secretary of state more than ten
days since President Trump's initial | 3:35:19 | 3:35:23 | |
announcement to come to this House
and make a statement about the | 3:35:23 | 3:35:26 | |
impact of this might have on their
communities and what measures the | 3:35:26 | 3:35:29 | |
Government is taking to protect
their livelihoods. They expected | 3:35:29 | 3:35:33 | |
better, and they had a right to
expect better. But I want to assure | 3:35:33 | 3:35:37 | |
the Secretary of State that for our
part, the official opposition will | 3:35:37 | 3:35:41 | |
not seek to make this issue one a
party political point score. | 3:35:41 | 3:35:48 | |
Everyone in this House must work
together. We will be constructively | 3:35:48 | 3:35:51 | |
critical where we considered the
Government can do better, but our | 3:35:51 | 3:35:55 | |
fundamental position will be to work
with the Government to achieve the | 3:35:55 | 3:35:59 | |
best outcome for our steel
communities, for other aluminium | 3:35:59 | 3:36:03 | |
industry, and for our wider economy.
The Secretary of State was correct | 3:36:03 | 3:36:07 | |
but the fundamental cause of this
crisis is overcapacity in the global | 3:36:07 | 3:36:12 | |
market, and a long-standing failure
by governments around the world to | 3:36:12 | 3:36:16 | |
tackle dumping and unfair practises.
But he should have acknowledged that | 3:36:16 | 3:36:19 | |
this included his own government. We
have not forgotten that it was the | 3:36:19 | 3:36:25 | |
conservative government in 2016 that
sought to block EU plans to impose | 3:36:25 | 3:36:28 | |
tougher tariffs on progression of
Chinese steel import. Global | 3:36:28 | 3:36:35 | |
oversupply has in other countries
dump their service, is server is | 3:36:35 | 3:36:39 | |
created by an actionable subsidies
and lax enforcement of labour | 3:36:39 | 3:36:42 | |
standards and workers' rights and
less than market value. Whilst the | 3:36:42 | 3:36:47 | |
global situation has not been
created by President Trump, the | 3:36:47 | 3:36:50 | |
manner in which he has gone about
trying to resolve its impact on the | 3:36:50 | 3:36:55 | |
US is fundamentally wrong and
friends to take a very bad situation | 3:36:55 | 3:37:00 | |
into a full-scale global trade
crisis. The application of 25% | 3:37:00 | 3:37:05 | |
tariffs on steel and 10% aluminium
imports into the United States is | 3:37:05 | 3:37:12 | |
unjust and unjustifiable. The
suggestion that such tariffs are | 3:37:12 | 3:37:16 | |
necessary under section 232 to
mitigate a threat to American | 3:37:16 | 3:37:20 | |
national security is patently false.
The US secretary of defence himself | 3:37:20 | 3:37:25 | |
has publicly stated that US military
requirements represent no more than | 3:37:25 | 3:37:30 | |
3% of US steel production and that
the Department of defence is able to | 3:37:30 | 3:37:34 | |
acquire the steel and aluminium it
needs for US national defence | 3:37:34 | 3:37:41 | |
requirements. The UK steel industry
has made it clear that the amount of | 3:37:41 | 3:37:43 | |
UK steel exports to the United
States is very small indeed. The | 3:37:43 | 3:37:49 | |
secretary of state says that Trump's
tariffs have weak foundations in | 3:37:49 | 3:37:54 | |
international law. In fact, they
have none. The truth is that the | 3:37:54 | 3:37:59 | |
president is seeking to bully and
threaten his trading partners to | 3:37:59 | 3:38:01 | |
bring | 3:38:01 | 3:38:07 | |
The temporary exemption for Canada
and Mexico making the subject to a | 3:38:07 | 3:38:13 | |
renegotiated -- renegotiation of
Nafta, he's doing the same at UK and | 3:38:13 | 3:38:17 | |
Europe review books to reverse the
US trade deficit. Given that the | 3:38:17 | 3:38:24 | |
Secretary of State accept that these
tears are unjustified, I would ask | 3:38:24 | 3:38:28 | |
them to say... It is to act as if
they had a series of legitimacy. | 3:38:28 | 3:38:36 | |
This is recycling -- precisely the
trap that President Trump is a set. | 3:38:36 | 3:38:40 | |
Negotiate with us and we will not
believe further. In that part of | 3:38:40 | 3:38:44 | |
Glasgow where I grew, it was called
a protection racket. If the | 3:38:44 | 3:38:49 | |
Secretary of State goes down this
route of trying to secure an | 3:38:49 | 3:38:52 | |
exemption, will he give a commitment
now to be totally transparent about | 3:38:52 | 3:38:56 | |
any price he has to pay and any
assurances he has to get to the US | 3:38:56 | 3:39:02 | |
administration in order to get it?
It is reported that following the | 3:39:02 | 3:39:06 | |
Austrian Foreign Minister's meeting
with Rex Tillerson, these tariffs | 3:39:06 | 3:39:10 | |
may not apply to Australia. Reports
have also been reported that the | 3:39:10 | 3:39:14 | |
gesture has had to agree to
bilateral agreement to contribute | 3:39:14 | 3:39:22 | |
more military spending. Willie also
clear how any such attempt by the UK | 3:39:22 | 3:39:28 | |
sits with the duty of sincere
cooperation? Which the Secretary of | 3:39:28 | 3:39:33 | |
State rightly referred to in his own
statement. The President Trump is | 3:39:33 | 3:39:37 | |
imposing these tariffs on national
security grants precisely because | 3:39:37 | 3:39:40 | |
under the BT overrules, this means
that article 21 would not apply. | 3:39:40 | 3:39:47 | |
This specifically prevents member
states of the WTO of demanding | 3:39:47 | 3:39:50 | |
clarity on the grounds of such a
pronouncement and commencing -- | 3:39:50 | 3:39:57 | |
articulate country action. The
president is seeking to under nine | 3:39:57 | 3:40:01 | |
-- undermined the multilateral
system of the WTO to which he has | 3:40:01 | 3:40:04 | |
long been opposed. He has said that
he would welcome a trade war and | 3:40:04 | 3:40:07 | |
thinks America could win it. He
cares nothing for the viability of | 3:40:07 | 3:40:11 | |
UK producers who have respected the
wins. He is treating them no | 3:40:11 | 3:40:15 | |
different to the competitors who
have not. And as the US market | 3:40:15 | 3:40:19 | |
closest to our exports, countries
that would otherwise export into the | 3:40:19 | 3:40:23 | |
US will seek to diverge their
production to the UK. This will tend | 3:40:23 | 3:40:27 | |
to undercut the Mr producers here
even further. What action has the | 3:40:27 | 3:40:33 | |
secondary of state taken to defend
against this divergence a? Reckon is | 3:40:33 | 3:40:39 | |
that our industry is particularly
vulnerable because we have a | 3:40:39 | 3:40:41 | |
government that prides itself on
taking the weakest possible approach | 3:40:41 | 3:40:46 | |
to remedy unfair practises by
adhering to the lesser duty rule. | 3:40:46 | 3:40:49 | |
Both the trade bill and the taxation
cross-border trade bill currently | 3:40:49 | 3:40:53 | |
going through Parliament were
opposed by the Labour Party | 3:40:53 | 3:40:55 | |
precisely because they proposed to
create what the manufacturers trade | 3:40:55 | 3:41:00 | |
remedies or otherwise described as
one of the weakest trade remedy | 3:41:00 | 3:41:03 | |
regimes in the world. I asked
Secretary of State whether he will | 3:41:03 | 3:41:11 | |
look to bring government amendments
to bring strength and secretary | 3:41:11 | 3:41:14 | |
representation function of the trade
remedies authority and powers | 3:41:14 | 3:41:17 | |
available to it in line with those
opposed by the opposition at | 3:41:17 | 3:41:20 | |
committee stage. This Secretary of
State state spoke... What assessment | 3:41:20 | 3:41:27 | |
has his department made of the legal
rights of the course under article | 3:41:27 | 3:41:31 | |
eight of the WTO agreement on
safeguards? And what provision is | 3:41:31 | 3:41:36 | |
made to the European commissions
director in relation to those | 3:41:36 | 3:41:39 | |
measures? Is he persuaded that they
would be lawful? Is he persuaded | 3:41:39 | 3:41:43 | |
that they would be effective? The
Secretary of State's fond of | 3:41:43 | 3:41:47 | |
painting international trade as a
balance of consumer and producer | 3:41:47 | 3:41:50 | |
interest, the fear of thousands of
steel and aluminium workers in the | 3:41:50 | 3:41:53 | |
UK is that he naturally leads... I
am doing so. That he naturally leads | 3:41:53 | 3:42:00 | |
to far. He needs to prove to them
that he will stand up for British | 3:42:00 | 3:42:05 | |
industry, for their jobs and for
their communities. They confidence | 3:42:05 | 3:42:08 | |
that he will tackle unfair practises
that distort the market. If he does, | 3:42:08 | 3:42:13 | |
he will have this side of the
House's. Part. Mr Speaker, I am | 3:42:13 | 3:42:18 | |
grateful to the cooperation that the
honourable gentleman gave over the | 3:42:18 | 3:42:24 | |
weekend and some of the
constructions -- constructive | 3:42:24 | 3:42:27 | |
suggestions he made as to how we
might apply for the pressure to | 3:42:27 | 3:42:32 | |
those US producers to enable them to
seek exemptions for imports from the | 3:42:32 | 3:42:35 | |
UK. He is right that there is a
capacity. The G20 has now made 28 | 3:42:35 | 3:42:44 | |
recommendations. We now wait to see
whether China will implement those | 3:42:44 | 3:42:49 | |
recommendations which is the key to
sorting out the global overcapacity | 3:42:49 | 3:42:52 | |
issue. We have regularly said that
we do not believe that 232 was an | 3:42:52 | 3:43:00 | |
appropriate vehicle for carrying out
this particular investigation. And | 3:43:00 | 3:43:05 | |
the UK sends that only some
specifically high and a steel | 3:43:05 | 3:43:11 | |
products into the United States
which the US market has not | 3:43:11 | 3:43:14 | |
necessarily been able to provide for
itself, so therefore terrorists will | 3:43:14 | 3:43:19 | |
apply on on -- therefore tariffs
will apply... Into the American | 3:43:19 | 3:43:27 | |
military programme itself. Which
makes action taken against united | 3:43:27 | 3:43:31 | |
kingdom quite an absurdity. He is
right to mention that the sincere | 3:43:31 | 3:43:39 | |
cooperation I have made very clear
to the commission that we continue | 3:43:39 | 3:43:41 | |
to operate on that basis and that as
we leave the European Union, we will | 3:43:41 | 3:43:47 | |
replicate the EU's trade remedies
system. I would remind him however | 3:43:47 | 3:43:53 | |
that his party voted against the
setting up of the trade remedies | 3:43:53 | 3:43:56 | |
authority itself, its self, the
setting up of the body. Not the | 3:43:56 | 3:44:01 | |
issues that relate to the operation
of it. Which I think was a dangerous | 3:44:01 | 3:44:06 | |
thing to do. But I think, Mr
Speaker, it is right that we regard | 3:44:06 | 3:44:11 | |
this as a national issue. There is a
fundamental issue between us. Nor is | 3:44:11 | 3:44:20 | |
there any difference between us on
the options we believe that the | 3:44:20 | 3:44:24 | |
European Union should take as a
response. With the Secretary of | 3:44:24 | 3:44:29 | |
State stressed to the EU that it is
in our interest to try and take some | 3:44:29 | 3:44:34 | |
of the tension out of this festering
dispute rather than to take it on to | 3:44:34 | 3:44:39 | |
another hide given that the
president is already talking about | 3:44:39 | 3:44:43 | |
tariffs against German cars for
example? Is it in our interest to | 3:44:43 | 3:44:49 | |
get back to tariff free business? Mr
Deputy Speaker, the EU is taking | 3:44:49 | 3:44:58 | |
countermeasures because the EU views
the 232 itself as a safeguard. Any | 3:44:58 | 3:45:05 | |
action that United States would you
take in response to that would be | 3:45:05 | 3:45:07 | |
completely out of line with
international trade law as well as | 3:45:07 | 3:45:11 | |
an already tense situation. And Mr
spec that --. This really is a blow | 3:45:11 | 3:45:20 | |
to those right wing free-market
Brexiteers to argue that the US | 3:45:20 | 3:45:24 | |
would welcome a trade deal with open
arms. Anyone looking at the somewhat | 3:45:24 | 3:45:28 | |
unhinged tweets coming out of
president Trump's office will tell | 3:45:28 | 3:45:31 | |
us otherwise. But I'm interested to
note given the Secretary of State's | 3:45:31 | 3:45:37 | |
nationality and where he was brought
up, has he raised specifically the | 3:45:37 | 3:45:44 | |
matter of Scottish steel and
aluminium and the steel industry as | 3:45:44 | 3:45:48 | |
an impact on all of the nations of
the UK because it was in 1992 that | 3:45:48 | 3:45:52 | |
house conservative government close
ravens Creek in Scotland decimating | 3:45:52 | 3:45:59 | |
1200 jobs and livelihoods and it was
as NP government in Scotland that | 3:45:59 | 3:46:02 | |
brought this steel works and that
aluminium back. We are fed up in | 3:46:02 | 3:46:09 | |
Scotland of cleaning up his
government's mass. And we do not | 3:46:09 | 3:46:12 | |
want to be in the possession that we
have to do that again. From recent | 3:46:12 | 3:46:16 | |
reports in the press, that the
indicators such as Scotch whiskey | 3:46:16 | 3:46:21 | |
could be under threat in the US UK
trade. Secretary of State may have | 3:46:21 | 3:46:26 | |
seen the article in the Scotsman
last week that Scotch whiskey may be | 3:46:26 | 3:46:31 | |
a product that could carry an
American tag after Brexit. It is | 3:46:31 | 3:46:33 | |
further said that US law could trap
geographical name possessions after | 3:46:33 | 3:46:39 | |
Brexit to allay supermarkets that
import American products. That would | 3:46:39 | 3:46:45 | |
be averages. Would he commit to
protecting our valuable steel and | 3:46:45 | 3:46:48 | |
aluminium industries, not trading
off our bite the GI for Scotch | 3:46:48 | 3:46:56 | |
whiskey in any trade gives? And
would he reconsider given a Tory | 3:46:56 | 3:47:00 | |
Brexit -- a total president would
reduce GDP by 8% and reverse key | 3:47:00 | 3:47:05 | |
experts, will he finally reconsider
his approach to Brexit and admit | 3:47:05 | 3:47:08 | |
that he was wrong in suggesting that
between the EU's single market | 3:47:08 | 3:47:13 | |
cousin Susan bashing and consent be
overcome by medical trade deals -- | 3:47:13 | 3:47:18 | |
single market trade union. In what
he said was he -- and his words | 3:47:18 | 3:47:23 | |
would be the eases in human history?
It is not won since I remember that | 3:47:23 | 3:47:27 | |
the SNP being delighted at some of
Mr Trump's tweets when he was having | 3:47:27 | 3:47:33 | |
some of his relationships with the
previous as and leader. In terms of | 3:47:33 | 3:47:40 | |
how we tackle this, we best tackle
this as a UK and the United Kingdom | 3:47:40 | 3:47:46 | |
in line with our European Union
partners. The honourable Lady dares | 3:47:46 | 3:47:49 | |
to raise the issue of GI. These are
actually in the rollover of the EU | 3:47:49 | 3:47:57 | |
trade agreements that we are trying
to get the continuity for in our | 3:47:57 | 3:48:04 | |
current trade and customs bill. And
when it comes to talking about her, | 3:48:04 | 3:48:09 | |
she needs to understand that she
voted against the rollover of those | 3:48:09 | 3:48:11 | |
bills which would have given that
there are protections she is asking | 3:48:11 | 3:48:14 | |
is for. Thank you Mr Speaker. It is
condemnation of President Trump's | 3:48:14 | 3:48:24 | |
proposed steel tariff that the EU as
I said that it would be a retrograde | 3:48:24 | 3:48:28 | |
step to impose tariffs or engage
recalibrate measures, how would my | 3:48:28 | 3:48:33 | |
right honourable friend use the
present my second husband for open, | 3:48:33 | 3:48:36 | |
fresh and astray with the EU pose
present at the UK's position as a | 3:48:36 | 3:48:41 | |
leading proponent of free trade in
the 21st century? I think what we | 3:48:41 | 3:48:46 | |
are seeing are the sort of problems
that come from introducing | 3:48:46 | 3:48:52 | |
rejectionist measures. Tariffs are
very seldom for any length of time | 3:48:52 | 3:49:00 | |
of successfully protect a domestic
industry. They are likely to add | 3:49:00 | 3:49:03 | |
cost to the inputs for that economy
and in the United States where there | 3:49:03 | 3:49:09 | |
are 140,000 people employed in the
production of steel, there are 6.5 | 3:49:09 | 3:49:14 | |
million people and industries
dependent on steel usage. And it | 3:49:14 | 3:49:17 | |
will not be held by an increase in
the price. My honourable friend | 3:49:17 | 3:49:21 | |
makes a good point that we should
actually all be recommitting | 3:49:21 | 3:49:25 | |
ourselves out to an open, liberal
global trading system rather than | 3:49:25 | 3:49:28 | |
considering impediments to it. If he
wants to, will he rebuffed Donald | 3:49:28 | 3:49:37 | |
Trump's claim that these tariffs are
therefore national security reasons | 3:49:37 | 3:49:41 | |
need only look at the President's
tweet from six hours ago where he | 3:49:41 | 3:49:47 | |
starts out saying, oh, what about
European farming tariffs or | 3:49:47 | 3:49:50 | |
manufacturing tariffs. It is quite
clear that he and the European Union | 3:49:50 | 3:49:56 | |
should drive a Trojan horse to the
national security nonsense that he | 3:49:56 | 3:49:59 | |
is putting up. Should he edit --
with the ABC does that this is an | 3:49:59 | 3:50:05 | |
odd thing to work with our European
Union partners and the leverage that | 3:50:05 | 3:50:09 | |
we use of data lives of 500 million
customers that the Americans cannot | 3:50:09 | 3:50:13 | |
walk all over us? I suggest that if
we Grimm can we have sure questions | 3:50:13 | 3:50:22 | |
and short answers? We will work with
our partners in the European Union | 3:50:22 | 3:50:28 | |
because we are under the duty is
sincere cooperation. But there are | 3:50:28 | 3:50:31 | |
many other countries that are
affected that will also make their | 3:50:31 | 3:50:34 | |
voices known that are not members of
the European Union. Mr Stewart. My | 3:50:34 | 3:50:42 | |
right eyeball friend is rightly
mentioned that many of the UK | 3:50:42 | 3:50:48 | |
exports are high by men specialise
and that many of the supplies go to | 3:50:48 | 3:50:52 | |
the United States military. Does he
have an opinion at this stage | 3:50:52 | 3:50:56 | |
whether the product exemption or the
country extension route offers the | 3:50:56 | 3:51:00 | |
best hope for gaining an advantage
for the United Kingdom? Mr Deputy | 3:51:00 | 3:51:05 | |
Speaker, that is a very good
question that he asks. Until we are | 3:51:05 | 3:51:10 | |
able to explore in greater detail
with the US authorities exactly what | 3:51:10 | 3:51:16 | |
the details will mean, it is
difficult to answer the question. In | 3:51:16 | 3:51:19 | |
any case whichever routes are best
to gain exceptions for the United | 3:51:19 | 3:51:23 | |
Kingdom and European Union... Could
I ask the Secretary of State what | 3:51:23 | 3:51:29 | |
his view is of comments in the last
ten days around tit-for-tat for | 3:51:29 | 3:51:36 | |
example, the peanut butter, the
cranberry juice and other products | 3:51:36 | 3:51:39 | |
which are consumed here? Does he
believe this is a good approach, | 3:51:39 | 3:51:42 | |
sensible? Mr Deputy Speaker, she
asks a good question, the EU, as I | 3:51:42 | 3:51:51 | |
said, tends to impose
countermeasures under article eight | 3:51:51 | 3:51:54 | |
of the WTO agreement. It believes
that the 232 itself is a safeguard. | 3:51:54 | 3:52:01 | |
And that it is therefore entitled to
respond to that. But I would say | 3:52:01 | 3:52:05 | |
that these constant upping of the
antsy about what may happen and what | 3:52:05 | 3:52:12 | |
countermeasures may be taken,
because there's not as as a way for | 3:52:12 | 3:52:15 | |
us to approach global trade. Issue
suggesting that it would be wise for | 3:52:15 | 3:52:18 | |
everyone to keep the temperature
down, then I entirely, 100% agree | 3:52:18 | 3:52:21 | |
with that. Can I welcome the
Cemetery of state's statement both | 3:52:21 | 3:52:28 | |
in terms of its content but also in
terms of its tone? Free-trade is | 3:52:28 | 3:52:32 | |
about being free to trade within the
agreed rules. It is not about a | 3:52:32 | 3:52:38 | |
free-for-all. And I strongly
encourage him to reiterate that | 3:52:38 | 3:52:43 | |
message but to the United States and
to China? Mr Deputy Speaker, I take | 3:52:43 | 3:52:49 | |
every opportunity to do so. It is
worth remembering that we had in the | 3:52:49 | 3:52:55 | |
United States a number of those who
very strongly agree with us. Notley | 3:52:55 | 3:53:00 | |
Society American business lobby,
many of whom may be harmed as a | 3:53:00 | 3:53:03 | |
result of the measures that may be
undertaken. We also have very strong | 3:53:03 | 3:53:07 | |
and vocal allies in the US Congress.
I very much welcome than making | 3:53:07 | 3:53:14 | |
their voices known in the recent
days. | 3:53:14 | 3:53:21 | |
I'd be very concerned if the
Government is putting all of its | 3:53:21 | 3:53:24 | |
hopes on an exemption for the UK or
the European Union because there | 3:53:24 | 3:53:28 | |
will still be a substantial amount
on a fact by those countries with | 3:53:28 | 3:53:31 | |
which to behave badly when they are
shut out of the US. As the Secretary | 3:53:31 | 3:53:35 | |
of State Doug and impact... | 3:53:35 | 3:53:39 | |
We are working along with the
industry to have a look at that my | 3:53:43 | 3:53:50 | |
colleagues are engaged in not work.
The honourable Lady knows that it's | 3:53:50 | 3:53:55 | |
getting Grove is a good example of
what I was discussing earlier. It is | 3:53:55 | 3:54:00 | |
one of those areas where you make a
specialist steel that goes into the | 3:54:00 | 3:54:04 | |
US programme and so the concept that
we should be taking to task on and | 3:54:04 | 3:54:09 | |
national security basis for
providing the US with something that | 3:54:09 | 3:54:11 | |
they need for their own security
programme does not make much sense. | 3:54:11 | 3:54:17 | |
Thank you Mr Deputy Speaker. It
seems to me that tariffs and | 3:54:17 | 3:54:21 | |
protectionism fundamentally
undermine the industry that they | 3:54:21 | 3:54:23 | |
seek to protect. Can the secretary
of State confirm that it remains the | 3:54:23 | 3:54:26 | |
British Government position that we
are committed to world wide | 3:54:26 | 3:54:30 | |
free-trade? And secondly, will they
be seeking a way to gain a | 3:54:30 | 3:54:37 | |
bilateral... As able to do so. Mr
Speaker, as I've said today we will | 3:54:37 | 3:54:42 | |
work alongside the European Union
because we have a duty of sincere | 3:54:42 | 3:54:46 | |
corporation as well as members of
the European Union. I've often taken | 3:54:46 | 3:54:52 | |
this view that is strange that
people should want us to obey the | 3:54:52 | 3:54:56 | |
rules when we want them and not one
we don't want them. We have a legal | 3:54:56 | 3:55:02 | |
duty as EU members to fulfil that
and we will intend to do so and work | 3:55:02 | 3:55:08 | |
with our EU partners accordingly.
But we do as a country, and this has | 3:55:08 | 3:55:15 | |
been clear under government of both
colours, we agree in free-trade and | 3:55:15 | 3:55:19 | |
have been a global champion. Let's
remember, free trade is the means by | 3:55:19 | 3:55:23 | |
which we take it a billion people
out of abject poverty in a | 3:55:23 | 3:55:28 | |
generation and we as a country
should be proud to be in the lead. | 3:55:28 | 3:55:32 | |
Can the secretary of State give us
some examples of how he has been | 3:55:32 | 3:55:35 | |
able to use our close and special
trading relationship with the United | 3:55:35 | 3:55:40 | |
States to develop his vision of an
open liberal multilateral trade | 3:55:40 | 3:55:43 | |
agreements. The honourable gentleman
knows they are able to conduct an | 3:55:43 | 3:55:50 | |
independent trade policy as long as
we are members of his beloved | 3:55:50 | 3:55:53 | |
European Union. But what we've got
is the trade working group with the | 3:55:53 | 3:55:58 | |
United States, working at short-term
localisation, areas we might look at | 3:55:58 | 3:56:02 | |
in the future of free trade
agreement, cooperation and the WTO | 3:56:02 | 3:56:06 | |
when we leave. And for some reason I
think that he would be well to | 3:56:06 | 3:56:14 | |
remember his own comments from
yesterday that were as mean-spirited | 3:56:14 | 3:56:18 | |
as they were wrong in substance.
Tenant I congratulate might... When | 3:56:18 | 3:56:27 | |
he goes to the United States he says
he is going to meet members of | 3:56:27 | 3:56:32 | |
Congress. Will he continue to build
the case for the open liberal | 3:56:32 | 3:56:36 | |
trading system that we all support
on both sides of this House with our | 3:56:36 | 3:56:41 | |
other good friends and the Congress
there to make sure that this can be | 3:56:41 | 3:56:47 | |
delivered once we are out of the
European Union? I would just correct | 3:56:47 | 3:56:52 | |
my honourable friend a little. We're
not just talking to Republican | 3:56:52 | 3:56:56 | |
members of Congress, there are
strong democratic elements that have | 3:56:56 | 3:56:59 | |
long been in favour of free trade
and I think it's very important that | 3:56:59 | 3:57:04 | |
in this country in the United States
and elsewhere we work with | 3:57:04 | 3:57:07 | |
like-minded people who believe in
genuinely open liberal trade to | 3:57:07 | 3:57:11 | |
achieve the ends that we have in
common. The recovery we've seen and | 3:57:11 | 3:57:17 | |
our steel industry has been fragile
and we are facing as my honourable | 3:57:17 | 3:57:21 | |
friend says not only the direct
impact of tariffs but the indirect | 3:57:21 | 3:57:26 | |
effects of other countries finding a
home for displaced steel. The | 3:57:26 | 3:57:30 | |
Government has been slow to act
during the steel crisis. To the | 3:57:30 | 3:57:37 | |
Secretary of State assure my steel
working constituents they will do | 3:57:37 | 3:57:39 | |
everything they can to fight for our
industry at this time. The EU will | 3:57:39 | 3:57:48 | |
impose countermeasures because it
believes that what we are witnessing | 3:57:48 | 3:57:51 | |
is a safeguard and we believe that
that is not justified by the 232 | 3:57:51 | 3:57:57 | |
case on national security. We will
alongside the EU take whatever | 3:57:57 | 3:58:01 | |
measures are required to ensure that
that is dealt with. Can the Minister | 3:58:01 | 3:58:07 | |
confirm what steps his Department
has taken to ensure that the UK can | 3:58:07 | 3:58:10 | |
protect to produce businesses of all
sectors from unfair trading | 3:58:10 | 3:58:14 | |
practises once the UK leads the EU?
We touched on that earlier in the | 3:58:14 | 3:58:22 | |
way which we will do that is by
replicating the trade remedies | 3:58:22 | 3:58:26 | |
measures that exist, but to do that
we have to set up a trade remedies | 3:58:26 | 3:58:29 | |
authority under the trade bill
currently going through the House | 3:58:29 | 3:58:34 | |
and I hope that the opposition
parties will look again at what I | 3:58:34 | 3:58:40 | |
think is their rather inexplicable
decision to vote against the setting | 3:58:40 | 3:58:43 | |
up of the trade remedies authority
itself. Point of order come at the | 3:58:43 | 3:58:47 | |
end of the statement. In 2002 when
the US administration lasted this US | 3:58:47 | 3:58:56 | |
economist estimated cost the US
economy 200,000 jobs and they had to | 3:58:56 | 3:59:01 | |
back down at the WTO when the EU
took them to add. Will the Secretary | 3:59:01 | 3:59:05 | |
of State reassure this House and
still workers in my constituency and | 3:59:05 | 3:59:10 | |
elsewhere that the UK will argue for
the strongest possible safeguard | 3:59:10 | 3:59:13 | |
measures up in the EU's response. Mr
Speaker, first of all, we hope that | 3:59:13 | 3:59:19 | |
we can persuade the United States
thing before and EU exemption so we | 3:59:19 | 3:59:24 | |
don't have to go down this
particular route and I hope that | 3:59:24 | 3:59:28 | |
sense will prevail. He's quite right
Theresa 2002 issue. At that point, | 3:59:28 | 3:59:35 | |
there is a great deal of activity
where we saw the lines between the | 3:59:35 | 3:59:39 | |
free-trade agreements and Congress
and the business community and the | 3:59:39 | 3:59:42 | |
United States come together to
change the might of the | 3:59:42 | 3:59:44 | |
administration of that time. I hope
the combination will be successful | 3:59:44 | 3:59:47 | |
this time. This has caused
widespread concern, so what's steps | 3:59:47 | 3:59:56 | |
will discover be doing to exert
pressure on President Chen from the | 3:59:56 | 4:00:00 | |
outside and the inside in terms of
the American political and trading | 4:00:00 | 4:00:05 | |
establishments? There is a great
deal of opinion inside Congress on | 4:00:05 | 4:00:12 | |
both parties that this is a mistake
in route to take, and I had | 4:00:12 | 4:00:18 | |
discussions in recent days with Paul
Ryan on this very subject and I | 4:00:18 | 4:00:22 | |
think that we should be trying to
mobilise all the allies they can. I | 4:00:22 | 4:00:27 | |
just mentioned the cooperation from
the honourable gentleman. I think it | 4:00:27 | 4:00:32 | |
is very important that we also not
just politically and through | 4:00:32 | 4:00:36 | |
business, but there is a role for
the trade unions to play here and | 4:00:36 | 4:00:39 | |
talking to their opposite numbers in
the United States where industries | 4:00:39 | 4:00:44 | |
are potentially damaged that are
users of steel should the price of | 4:00:44 | 4:00:48 | |
steel rise as a result of tariffs.
There is a multilayered approach | 4:00:48 | 4:00:52 | |
that we can take to dealing with
this issue, and they actually have a | 4:00:52 | 4:00:55 | |
duty to use every one of those
levers that we have. Dumping is also | 4:00:55 | 4:01:03 | |
the crucial issue for steel workers
of my own constituency plant, does | 4:01:03 | 4:01:08 | |
the secretary of State not find it
ironic that he is talking about the | 4:01:08 | 4:01:11 | |
importance of working together
across the EU to put in place the | 4:01:11 | 4:01:14 | |
safeguards which are so necessary
whilst... And when he is speaking to | 4:01:14 | 4:01:20 | |
his US counterparts, will he remind
them that every single US state lost | 4:01:20 | 4:01:25 | |
jobs as a result of George W Bush's
actions in 2002? The EU can take | 4:01:25 | 4:01:32 | |
countermeasures on the basis that it
believes that this is a safe car. He | 4:01:32 | 4:01:35 | |
can also take the safe guard of his
own. Steel product was damaging our | 4:01:35 | 4:01:44 | |
own market. I will remind him that
this is not a dispute between the | 4:01:44 | 4:01:48 | |
United States in the EU but involves
all the countries in the world that | 4:01:48 | 4:01:54 | |
are still producers as the WTO is
much bigger than the EU and we will | 4:01:54 | 4:01:59 | |
not be leaving the WTO as the eyes
of founding member. I want to thank | 4:01:59 | 4:02:04 | |
the Secretary of State for
referencing that and his response to | 4:02:04 | 4:02:12 | |
the lady. Can he commit all the
necessary support given that the | 4:02:12 | 4:02:21 | |
products produced there for
Caterpillar, an American firm, and | 4:02:21 | 4:02:23 | |
are produced in the UK market and --
US market and pose no risk to those | 4:02:23 | 4:02:30 | |
jobs. My honourable friend makes it
very important point, and the | 4:02:30 | 4:02:36 | |
exports from there to Caterpillar
which is about 25% of the site | 4:02:36 | 4:02:42 | |
output is quite right that the US
producers have low capability in | 4:02:42 | 4:02:47 | |
this product. And therefore, the
application of tariffs is only | 4:02:47 | 4:02:50 | |
likely to result in a rise in input
costs which is not really in any | 4:02:50 | 4:02:54 | |
economic's benefit. Thank you Mr
Speaker, should the stanza paint | 4:02:54 | 4:03:00 | |
impose on the 23rd of March and we
hope that they wouldn't be, should | 4:03:00 | 4:03:04 | |
they be, what steps should this
government commit to does support | 4:03:04 | 4:03:08 | |
steel-making in this country and
still making community. It's not | 4:03:08 | 4:03:14 | |
quite the deadline the 23rd of March
that it may appear. And my initial | 4:03:14 | 4:03:19 | |
discussions of the Department of
commerce and the USTR is clear that | 4:03:19 | 4:03:24 | |
the period of exemption will
continue somewhere beyond the | 4:03:24 | 4:03:28 | |
initial introduction. Clearly, if
there are going to be exemptions for | 4:03:28 | 4:03:31 | |
the EU, the UK, we did want them to
be introduced as soon as possible. | 4:03:31 | 4:03:36 | |
We will continue to push for an
Zengin on the basis I set out today. | 4:03:36 | 4:03:42 | |
When my right honourable friend
travels to Washington later this | 4:03:42 | 4:03:45 | |
week, will he be accompanied by
representatives from Brussels as | 4:03:45 | 4:03:50 | |
well? Because obviously, we're still
at EU member, and cannot | 4:03:50 | 4:03:54 | |
unilaterally yet? Mr Speaker, I
don't require a baby-sitter from the | 4:03:54 | 4:04:02 | |
EU for my visit to Washington. We
are in continuous contact with | 4:04:02 | 4:04:08 | |
milestone and our team because this
is an issue that affects us all and | 4:04:08 | 4:04:12 | |
it affects is whether we're in the
European Union are not because these | 4:04:12 | 4:04:16 | |
actions are not actions taken
against the EU, but all producers | 4:04:16 | 4:04:20 | |
globally who will be equally
effective. Did the secretary of | 4:04:20 | 4:04:27 | |
state or for that matter the
European Union have advanced | 4:04:27 | 4:04:29 | |
knowledge of President from's
statement on the 1st of March? And | 4:04:29 | 4:04:33 | |
if so, either way, what is that say
about the jubilation ships with the | 4:04:33 | 4:04:36 | |
president? Mr Speaker, I'm not many
people if any had advance notice of | 4:04:36 | 4:04:44 | |
President Trump's initial
announcement. What representations | 4:04:44 | 4:04:49 | |
has he made to China with regard to
tackling the global overcapacity of | 4:04:49 | 4:04:53 | |
steel? Mr Speaker, as I said, do the
work that we're doing multilaterally | 4:04:53 | 4:05:01 | |
there are currently 28
recommendations outstanding which we | 4:05:01 | 4:05:03 | |
expect China to apply. The Prime
Minister raised it on her recent | 4:05:03 | 4:05:11 | |
visit to China, we continue the
conversation. We understand China's | 4:05:11 | 4:05:18 | |
E for production of aluminium and
steel for it in for the domestic | 4:05:18 | 4:05:22 | |
use, but if are going to have a
rules based system than the rules | 4:05:22 | 4:05:25 | |
need to be obeyed in Transparent,
and we need to know sufficient | 4:05:25 | 4:05:30 | |
information to be able to make that
determination as to WTO rules are | 4:05:30 | 4:05:33 | |
still being affected. Is faced with
a trade war, what post Brexit trade | 4:05:33 | 4:05:39 | |
defence mechanisms will be employed
against the might of the US economy? | 4:05:39 | 4:05:47 | |
As I said, the whole aim of policy
at the present time in both the UK | 4:05:47 | 4:05:51 | |
and the European Union and beyond is
to try to temper these proposals to | 4:05:51 | 4:05:56 | |
get exemption so that we do not feel
any of the impetus that might lead | 4:05:56 | 4:06:02 | |
to an escalation of the current
position. Thank you Mr Deputy | 4:06:02 | 4:06:08 | |
Speaker, as tariffs go, 25% is
particularly high and could lead to | 4:06:08 | 4:06:14 | |
all sorts of unforeseen
consequences. Is there any evidence | 4:06:14 | 4:06:17 | |
that there will be trade diversion
to the UK, because of the US | 4:06:17 | 4:06:24 | |
position at 25%? Is quite difficult
to know in advance where there might | 4:06:24 | 4:06:28 | |
be diversion. I make the point that
our aim is not to deal with the | 4:06:28 | 4:06:34 | |
consequences, but to prevent the
imposition of the tariffs. The | 4:06:34 | 4:06:41 | |
secretary of state jokes that
sometimes it's not very clear to | 4:06:41 | 4:06:43 | |
anybody else knew that the president
did what he was about to announce. | 4:06:43 | 4:06:48 | |
Sometimes it looks like the
president does not know what he's up | 4:06:48 | 4:06:51 | |
about to announce. And all too often
it's a tweet and set a policy. But | 4:06:51 | 4:07:02 | |
the false promise that it offers to
some of the poorest people in the | 4:07:02 | 4:07:07 | |
United States of America who in the
end will not benefit one was white | 4:07:07 | 4:07:14 | |
Mr Speaker, the honourable gentleman
makes an even better point than he | 4:07:14 | 4:07:18 | |
think he's made. The fact is in his
case possibly not. What we've seen | 4:07:18 | 4:07:32 | |
in recent years has been a rising
and worrying trend amongst Jeep 20 | 4:07:32 | 4:07:40 | |
countries to impose protectionist
measures. In 2010, we saw around 300 | 4:07:40 | 4:07:46 | |
nontariff barriers to trade being
operated by the G20. The 2015 that | 4:07:46 | 4:07:52 | |
was around 1200. There has been a
gradual move away from the context | 4:07:52 | 4:07:56 | |
of global free trade and a | 4:07:56 | 4:08:04 | |
We should remember that those
countries that benefited from the | 4:08:04 | 4:08:08 | |
benefits of free trade should not be
pulling up the drawbridge behind | 4:08:08 | 4:08:10 | |
them and denying those benefits to
developing countries. Is China doing | 4:08:10 | 4:08:16 | |
anything at all to help cut the
global supplies of steel? That it's | 4:08:16 | 4:08:23 | |
a discussion that we have constantly
with China. They are taking measures | 4:08:23 | 4:08:28 | |
to reduce it but there are 28
recommendations outstanding. Time | 4:08:28 | 4:08:32 | |
will tell whether we are witnessing
the correct action direct -- or | 4:08:32 | 4:08:37 | |
merely the rhetoric. Given what
President Trump said during his | 4:08:37 | 4:08:43 | |
election, none of us really should
be surprised at this. But when he | 4:08:43 | 4:08:46 | |
goes to Washington and if he doesn't
manage to change the mind of the | 4:08:46 | 4:08:52 | |
United States government, but they
do offer us as the United Kingdom an | 4:08:52 | 4:08:56 | |
exemption, would that exemption come
in from March 2019 or what it has to | 4:08:56 | 4:09:01 | |
be subject to this almost ridiculous
implementation period? Any exemption | 4:09:01 | 4:09:07 | |
given by the United States is a US
law as intern by the US president, | 4:09:07 | 4:09:15 | |
it is far less European law. "
Operation the time the United States | 4:09:15 | 4:09:23 | |
in the UK is a vitamin O peace --
FidoNet -- fun of these. We must | 4:09:23 | 4:09:31 | |
demonstrate this strongly to Daschle
security. How confident is my right | 4:09:31 | 4:09:35 | |
honourable friend that we can make a
strong case on those grounds? Mr | 4:09:35 | 4:09:40 | |
state -- Mr Speaker. Yes, that we
have a strong national security | 4:09:40 | 4:09:46 | |
linkage not only through our
relationship with the kids -- with | 4:09:46 | 4:09:52 | |
the Security Council, but not only
as nuclear powers in the world, but | 4:09:52 | 4:09:56 | |
it is always just worth reminding
our US colleagues who were those | 4:09:56 | 4:10:02 | |
alongside them in Iraq and
Afghanistan and many of the other | 4:10:02 | 4:10:05 | |
conflicts of the United States has
been involved in. The United Kingdom | 4:10:05 | 4:10:09 | |
has never been wanting as a loyal
and steadfast partner and our | 4:10:09 | 4:10:13 | |
security and global security.
Seeking exemptions from the US steel | 4:10:13 | 4:10:19 | |
tariffs will not and in itself
protect the UK's steel industry from | 4:10:19 | 4:10:27 | |
dump divergent seal from the
American market. Will the Secretary | 4:10:27 | 4:10:34 | |
of State undertake to work with the
EU to ensure that whatever measures | 4:10:34 | 4:10:38 | |
are necessary to preserve the UK
steel industry are taking and work | 4:10:38 | 4:10:45 | |
with the WTO to get a more rational
and anti-dumping regime | 4:10:45 | 4:10:49 | |
internationally? It is what we are
for in the WTO and is to make sure | 4:10:49 | 4:10:57 | |
that there is a rules based system
and that the rules are applied. And | 4:10:57 | 4:11:02 | |
when the rules are not applied,
there is a way to help those | 4:11:02 | 4:11:07 | |
countries affected. That is what we
regard as our duty. Thank you Mr | 4:11:07 | 4:11:14 | |
Deputy Speaker. As he will note from
visiting Goodwins international in | 4:11:14 | 4:11:17 | |
my constituency and as it is a world
leader in steel products, this is | 4:11:17 | 4:11:25 | |
important not for our British
industry, but also supplying US | 4:11:25 | 4:11:28 | |
defence with equipment. How can we
ensure that this is recognised for | 4:11:28 | 4:11:31 | |
the US so that these vital British
products can continue to be exported | 4:11:31 | 4:11:35 | |
to the states? Mr Deputy Speaker,
the US Department of defence has | 4:11:35 | 4:11:42 | |
made it quite clear that it
understands fully the contribution | 4:11:42 | 4:11:46 | |
that United Kingdom makes an airport
that the issue, they do not believe | 4:11:46 | 4:11:50 | |
that issue two -- 232 was
appropriate. I hope that the good | 4:11:50 | 4:11:58 | |
sense of the Department of defence
diffuses throughout Washington. | 4:11:58 | 4:12:03 | |
Thank you Mr Deputy Speaker. Very
kind of you. May I just come into | 4:12:03 | 4:12:12 | |
the Secretary of State the
experience of bombarding which in | 4:12:12 | 4:12:18 | |
recent months risked losing
thousands of jobs because of | 4:12:18 | 4:12:22 | |
unfairly imposed US tariffs of a
mere 300%? The winning formula into | 4:12:22 | 4:12:29 | |
defeating that was a combination of
trade unions, management, local MPs | 4:12:29 | 4:12:39 | |
and Ministers right across the
Government under the personal | 4:12:39 | 4:12:43 | |
intervention of the Prime Minister
and speaking to President Trump at | 4:12:43 | 4:12:46 | |
the Devils economic summit. --
daffodils. To protect the steel | 4:12:46 | 4:12:55 | |
industry in the United Kingdom. Mr
Deputy Speaker, we have had as I | 4:12:55 | 4:13:02 | |
said earlier a wide range of
contacts in a wind range of areas. | 4:13:02 | 4:13:07 | |
May also say to the right honourable
lady that the ITC itself was | 4:13:07 | 4:13:11 | |
ultimately the vehicle that started
out the bombarding case so there are | 4:13:11 | 4:13:17 | |
in the United States, those elements
of an independent free trading | 4:13:17 | 4:13:21 | |
policy that we can rely on those
occasions when they are needed. | 4:13:21 | 4:13:26 | |
Because it was not just the politics
ultimately. Hard as we try for | 4:13:26 | 4:13:32 | |
bombarding a, it was American
mechanism itself which has a lot to | 4:13:32 | 4:13:37 | |
be commended for. Thank you Mr
Deputy Speaker. Today steel and | 4:13:37 | 4:13:43 | |
aluminium, it could easily be
another industry which tour -- which | 4:13:43 | 4:13:48 | |
sell to the United States. On
Commonwealth Day, would the cemetery | 4:13:48 | 4:13:53 | |
estate and honourable friend assured
me that we are talked about allies | 4:13:53 | 4:13:56 | |
within the comment -- Commonwealth
that would defeat a policy that | 4:13:56 | 4:14:00 | |
would be as negative for the United
States to them as it would to us? Mr | 4:14:00 | 4:14:03 | |
Deputy Speaker, I say answer that
they... The people who have the most | 4:14:03 | 4:14:11 | |
to lose if we move away from a
global concept of free trade are the | 4:14:11 | 4:14:16 | |
world's pours. If we genuinely want
people to trade their way up, they | 4:14:16 | 4:14:22 | |
can only do it in a genuinely free
trading environment. The more | 4:14:22 | 4:14:25 | |
nontariff barriers, the advanced
countries for, the less chance they | 4:14:25 | 4:14:29 | |
have of doing so. It is in
everybody's interested to pursue a | 4:14:29 | 4:14:35 | |
global free-trade policy and this
country has always shown the way on | 4:14:35 | 4:14:38 | |
that and this government will
continue to show the way. Doctor | 4:14:38 | 4:14:46 | |
David jurors. With regard to what
the secular stage just said, will he | 4:14:46 | 4:14:52 | |
do all he can to intercede with not
just the US, but also the EU to make | 4:14:52 | 4:14:57 | |
sure that agricultural products do
not become part of a wider trade | 4:14:57 | 4:15:03 | |
war? It is essential for the reasons
he said that less-developed | 4:15:03 | 4:15:08 | |
countries have continued access to
all those markets. Mr Deputy | 4:15:08 | 4:15:13 | |
Speaker, we can end on a boat of --
know the perfect harmonization. | 4:15:13 | 4:15:17 | |
There is no doubt that the EU
currently has the benefit of | 4:15:17 | 4:15:25 | |
developing countries, the better. At
last we find a note of consensus. | 4:15:25 | 4:15:31 | |
Can I tell the House of the
financial guidance and claims bill | 4:15:31 | 4:15:34 | |
has been withdrawn so we will deal
with the next and then this would be | 4:15:34 | 4:15:39 | |
completed. And then that next it
will take much more. The Minister | 4:15:39 | 4:15:45 | |
for State and international element,
Alastair Burns. Thank you, Mr Deputy | 4:15:45 | 4:15:53 | |
Speaker. With permission, I would
like to update the House on the | 4:15:53 | 4:16:00 | |
situation in Afrin. We are closely
follow developments in Afrin and | 4:16:00 | 4:16:07 | |
Northwest is here. Over the weekend,
forces continued their gains and are | 4:16:07 | 4:16:13 | |
now approaching the town of Afrin
itself. We are concerned about a | 4:16:13 | 4:16:16 | |
recent report of rising civilian
casualties. The Government has | 4:16:16 | 4:16:21 | |
called for de-escalation and the
protection of civilians. While | 4:16:21 | 4:16:23 | |
recognising Turkey's legitimate
interest in the security of its | 4:16:23 | 4:16:28 | |
borders. We will continue to push
for a reduction in violence and for | 4:16:28 | 4:16:32 | |
a consideration of the humanitarian
needs of the population and the | 4:16:32 | 4:16:35 | |
affected areas. The Prime Minister
has raised the need for production | 4:16:35 | 4:16:38 | |
of civilians and proper humanitarian
access with President air to one, as | 4:16:38 | 4:16:43 | |
has the four cemetery. -- Foreign
Secretary. They have assured us that | 4:16:43 | 4:16:51 | |
they are looking to prevent civilian
carrot -- casualties. They have been | 4:16:51 | 4:16:55 | |
dissed -- delivering health and
protection services in Afrin. Some | 4:16:55 | 4:17:01 | |
of these activities have been
suspended during -- due to the | 4:17:01 | 4:17:03 | |
current hot sodas. Our partners
continue to meet needs for their | 4:17:03 | 4:17:06 | |
able. This includes health supplies,
blankets and food. Unicef and other | 4:17:06 | 4:17:16 | |
UN organisations and the World
Health organisation have temporarily | 4:17:16 | 4:17:18 | |
suspended all activities in Afrin
you to the recent military action. | 4:17:18 | 4:17:22 | |
As a Foreign Secretary said in the
26th of February, we are concerned | 4:17:22 | 4:17:28 | |
about the humanitarian consequences
of the operation in Afrin. We urge | 4:17:28 | 4:17:32 | |
all parties to respect the law
distinction between civilian and | 4:17:32 | 4:17:35 | |
military targets facilitate access
for life-saving humanitarian aid, | 4:17:35 | 4:17:39 | |
and to allow freedom of movement for
those caught up in the violence in | 4:17:39 | 4:17:43 | |
accordance with international law.
As your conflict was soon enter its | 4:17:43 | 4:17:48 | |
eighth year. The UK continues to
make every effort to achieve our | 4:17:48 | 4:17:52 | |
goals and cereal. Defeating the
scourge of Daesh, achieving a | 4:17:52 | 4:17:56 | |
political said would that ends the
stuff they are -- suffering and | 4:17:56 | 4:17:59 | |
provides stability for all Syrians
and the wider region. There must be | 4:17:59 | 4:18:02 | |
a transition to a new inclusive
nonsectarian government that can | 4:18:02 | 4:18:06 | |
protect the rights of all Syrians,
unite the country and end the | 4:18:06 | 4:18:09 | |
conflict. We are pragmatic about how
this might take place. Serious | 4:18:09 | 4:18:15 | |
future must be for Syrians to
decide. As the second donor in 2011, | 4:18:15 | 4:18:21 | |
the UK is at the forefront of the
humanitarian response and is | 4:18:21 | 4:18:25 | |
providing life-saving support to
millions of people. Since 2012 | 4:18:25 | 4:18:29 | |
across Syria and the region, UK
supporters delivered 26 million food | 4:18:29 | 4:18:35 | |
rations. 9.8 million Belize
packages, eight main vaccines and 10 | 4:18:35 | 4:18:39 | |
million medical consultations.
Westerlund we provided clean water | 4:18:39 | 4:18:43 | |
to over 5 million people and could
you do towards the formal primary | 4:18:43 | 4:18:46 | |
and secondary education of over
700,000 children affected by the | 4:18:46 | 4:18:50 | |
crisis. However the only way to end
the conflict is there a negotiated | 4:18:50 | 4:18:55 | |
political settlement. My right
honourable friend the Foreign | 4:18:55 | 4:18:58 | |
Secretary has emphasised including
to his Turkish counterpart the | 4:18:58 | 4:19:03 | |
importance of biblical solution and
the defeat of Daesh. This must be at | 4:19:03 | 4:19:06 | |
the forefront of international
efforts. We are concerned about the | 4:19:06 | 4:19:10 | |
possibility of the divergent of
Kurdish fighters. We are committed | 4:19:10 | 4:19:15 | |
to working close with Turkey and
other allies devise solutions in | 4:19:15 | 4:19:19 | |
Syria that provides stability and
bring to an end this terrible | 4:19:19 | 4:19:21 | |
conflict. I commend the statement
the House. I welcome the Minister's | 4:19:21 | 4:19:29 | |
statement. And I thank him for
advanced site. Madam Deputy Speaker, | 4:19:29 | 4:19:32 | |
here we are again, Aleppo, Mosul,
Raqqa, today were Afrin, perhaps in | 4:19:32 | 4:19:40 | |
some rows. Today we stand in this
House while some troops marched to | 4:19:40 | 4:19:46 | |
this city and region with little
regard for international law or | 4:19:46 | 4:19:49 | |
force civilian production. Putting
hundreds of thousands of people at | 4:19:49 | 4:19:54 | |
risk. Again and again we express in
this House our concern, our alarm, | 4:19:54 | 4:20:00 | |
our anchor. But it is never enough.
It is just not enough. Time and | 4:20:00 | 4:20:07 | |
again, those fighting in Syria are
consistently failing to take | 4:20:07 | 4:20:10 | |
precaution that protect civilians.
Madam Deputy Speaker, just seven | 4:20:10 | 4:20:15 | |
weeks ago, Turkey launched its
so-called operation olive branch to | 4:20:15 | 4:20:20 | |
remove what they saw as the Kurdish
threat from Afrin. The Minister also | 4:20:20 | 4:20:25 | |
says that the production of
civilians must be balanced with it, | 4:20:25 | 4:20:31 | |
and I quote, Turkey's legitimate
interests in the security of its | 4:20:31 | 4:20:34 | |
borders. We must be clear, the
incursion is neither legitimate nor | 4:20:34 | 4:20:39 | |
justified. It should never have been
allowed in the first place and it | 4:20:39 | 4:20:42 | |
has no basis in international law.
On all of branch, Madam Deputy | 4:20:42 | 4:20:49 | |
Speaker, that could hardly have been
a less suitable name for the | 4:20:49 | 4:20:52 | |
assault. Since then, even the most
conservative reports estimate that | 4:20:52 | 4:20:58 | |
several hundred Kurds have died.
Shamefully, the Turkish forces have | 4:20:58 | 4:21:03 | |
used artillery and other explosive
weapons to target civilian areas. | 4:21:03 | 4:21:07 | |
The Kurdish red Crescent report that
in the month after attacks after | 4:21:07 | 4:21:16 | |
attacks are stated, 93 civilians
were killed, 24 of them children. | 4:21:16 | 4:21:21 | |
313 civilians wounded, 51 of them
children. Unicef reported this | 4:21:21 | 4:21:26 | |
morning that over 1000 children have
not died across Syria in just the | 4:21:26 | 4:21:32 | |
first two months of 2018. Madam
Deputy Speaker, the use of artillery | 4:21:32 | 4:21:38 | |
and explosive weapons against
residential areas is clearly | 4:21:38 | 4:21:43 | |
prohibited by international
humanitarian law. It is unforgivable | 4:21:43 | 4:21:46 | |
that they are still being used.
Madam Deputy Speaker, this is not an | 4:21:46 | 4:21:52 | |
olive branch, this is a stick to
beat the Kurdish community. Madam | 4:21:52 | 4:21:59 | |
Deputy Speaker, the situation is
evolving rapidly. But me turn to | 4:21:59 | 4:22:03 | |
three particular concerns for the
days ahead. According to reports, | 4:22:03 | 4:22:08 | |
Turkish forces are right now
advancing on Afrin. So we must do | 4:22:08 | 4:22:12 | |
what we can to protect civilians.
First, there are real concerns that | 4:22:12 | 4:22:17 | |
when Turkish forces enter Afrin,
there will be widespread atrocities. | 4:22:17 | 4:22:22 | |
As they seek to root out those they
call terrorists. It is particularly | 4:22:22 | 4:22:28 | |
disturbing to hear reports that at
the centre of the assault working | 4:22:28 | 4:22:31 | |
alongside the Turkish army have been
some of the very same jihadists that | 4:22:31 | 4:22:38 | |
the Kurdish forces have worked so
hard to drive out of northern Syria. | 4:22:38 | 4:22:43 | |
And given the call by those in Afrin
for civilians to form a human shield | 4:22:43 | 4:22:49 | |
around the city, the prospects of a
siege and an assault on the city is | 4:22:49 | 4:22:54 | |
likely to cause severe civilian
casualties. What is the UK doing to | 4:22:54 | 4:23:00 | |
apply pressure on Turkey to stop the
assault and respect international | 4:23:00 | 4:23:03 | |
law? | 4:23:03 | 4:23:15 | |
We can never excuse and throw the
word terrorism around to justify | 4:23:15 | 4:23:21 | |
human rights abuses. Second, the
Washington Post has today reported | 4:23:21 | 4:23:24 | |
accounts that they are already
thousands of Kurds fleeing from the | 4:23:24 | 4:23:30 | |
city of afferent fearing for their
lives and what will happen if or | 4:23:30 | 4:23:35 | |
when the city. What reassurance can
the Minister provide the refugees | 4:23:35 | 4:23:41 | |
and displaced people will be granted
safe passage. And that the | 4:23:41 | 4:23:47 | |
international community, including
Britain, will step up to the plate | 4:23:47 | 4:23:50 | |
and provide immediate humanitarian
aid and long-term support. Third, | 4:23:50 | 4:23:54 | |
then return to the access of
humanitarian aid. For the human | 4:23:54 | 4:23:59 | |
rights monitors who can act as one
of the greatest deterrent against it | 4:23:59 | 4:24:03 | |
-- like civilian atrocities. What
steps is the Government taking to | 4:24:03 | 4:24:08 | |
urge Turkey to allow accurate does
not access, independent monitors to | 4:24:08 | 4:24:14 | |
ensure that civilians are protected
and that perpetrators of abuses are | 4:24:14 | 4:24:17 | |
held to account. And now that UK
funded partners and UN agencies are | 4:24:17 | 4:24:25 | |
suspending humanitarian activities,
what's this is the Government taking | 4:24:25 | 4:24:30 | |
to quickly restore full humanitarian
access to afferent so that the UK | 4:24:30 | 4:24:34 | |
and other partners can get Aiden and
save us. Madam Deputy Speaker -- | 4:24:34 | 4:24:41 | |
speakers, the Kurt community is
watching. At many to ensure that UK | 4:24:41 | 4:24:46 | |
is doing everything it can to help
civilians and afferent. Thank you | 4:24:46 | 4:24:56 | |
Madam Deputy Speaker, can I thank
the young lady for her questions and | 4:24:56 | 4:25:00 | |
for the way in which she has a post
this. She poses some questions that | 4:25:00 | 4:25:07 | |
will be difficult for any government
to respond to. I will do my best. | 4:25:07 | 4:25:12 | |
This is an area where the United
Kingdom is not present underground, | 4:25:12 | 4:25:16 | |
where it is difficult to get
information out, where you and aid | 4:25:16 | 4:25:19 | |
workers are not able operate, and
where there was a limitation to what | 4:25:19 | 4:25:26 | |
we can actually deliver. But there
will be no shortage of effort to | 4:25:26 | 4:25:33 | |
absently do every pitcher recommend
in terms of protecting civilians. | 4:25:33 | 4:25:35 | |
She is right to say that once again
this is another part of the overall | 4:25:35 | 4:25:40 | |
Syrian tragedy. Whatever may be the
particular circumstances, it all | 4:25:40 | 4:25:47 | |
traces back to the war waged by a
president on his own people which | 4:25:47 | 4:25:51 | |
will enter its eighth year. In just
a couple of days' time. The | 4:25:51 | 4:25:55 | |
Secretary General of the UN got
recorded on the 12th of March this | 4:25:55 | 4:26:00 | |
year said this, Syria is bleeding
inside and out, there should only be | 4:26:00 | 4:26:06 | |
one agenda for all of us, ending the
suffering of the Syrian people and | 4:26:06 | 4:26:10 | |
find a political solution to the
conflict. Let me just deal with some | 4:26:10 | 4:26:17 | |
of the points that she raised. In
particular the way in which this is | 4:26:17 | 4:26:24 | |
seen, she gives a picture of how she
recognises this and how the Kurdish | 4:26:24 | 4:26:28 | |
community sees it. We are not here
to answer for the Kurdish | 4:26:28 | 4:26:34 | |
authorities, plainly did take a
different position. The aim is to | 4:26:34 | 4:26:42 | |
oust the white PG from the territory
they see them as an extension the | 4:26:42 | 4:26:47 | |
site -- white PG. WPG. The most
important thing for us in a moment | 4:26:47 | 4:27:01 | |
as if we can bring that particular
part of the conflict to an end and | 4:27:01 | 4:27:05 | |
help people. The Foreign Secretary
and the Prime Minister have both | 4:27:05 | 4:27:10 | |
been in contact with the respective
partners, our ambassador made | 4:27:10 | 4:27:15 | |
representations to the Turkish
government just three days ago. I | 4:27:15 | 4:27:18 | |
can surely, honourable lady in the
House, everything we do is meant to | 4:27:18 | 4:27:29 | |
do to dissuade the parties... And
allow humanitarian access. Secondly | 4:27:29 | 4:27:34 | |
in relations due to what happens to
people who flee, we've worked with | 4:27:34 | 4:27:40 | |
partners to ensure that the supplies
are in the area. We can't get close, | 4:27:40 | 4:27:44 | |
but we are doing our best of the UN
agencies and others I have been | 4:27:44 | 4:27:48 | |
active in the area have supplies
available if people are able to | 4:27:48 | 4:27:52 | |
leave. And of course, we would wish
them to be so, as there is a | 4:27:52 | 4:27:57 | |
distinction between civilians and
those considered as fighters. We are | 4:27:57 | 4:28:01 | |
doing everything we can in relation
to them. Thirdly, of course, we | 4:28:01 | 4:28:07 | |
would wish to advocate. However, the
brutality and the grimness of the | 4:28:07 | 4:28:16 | |
war in that region means there was a
gap between anything we would seek | 4:28:16 | 4:28:20 | |
to find in our deliberations and
what may be happening underground. I | 4:28:20 | 4:28:27 | |
wish I could promise the honourable
lady that we won't be back here soon | 4:28:27 | 4:28:31 | |
but I'm afraid I can't. We are doing
everything we can to meet the | 4:28:31 | 4:28:37 | |
humanitarian needs, and the pain. If
you can mean the end with a | 4:28:37 | 4:28:43 | |
political resolution. I think my
right honourable friend for his | 4:28:43 | 4:28:51 | |
statement. Of course what you said,
the Turkish government has assured | 4:28:51 | 4:28:56 | |
the Foreign Office that it is
working to prevent civilian | 4:28:56 | 4:29:00 | |
casualties which I think it is
diplomatic code that means, I don't | 4:29:00 | 4:29:03 | |
believe you, we don't believe you.
The wretched truth is here, our | 4:29:03 | 4:29:11 | |
Kurdish allies in the war against
the enemies -- my enemies of | 4:29:11 | 4:29:15 | |
civilization are brutally treated by
Nato ally. Is there anything else we | 4:29:15 | 4:29:18 | |
can do about it? I'm grateful to my
right honourable friend. You care | 4:29:18 | 4:29:28 | |
has consistently raise the need to
protect civilians and the escalator | 4:29:28 | 4:29:31 | |
situation. We believe the Turkish
government and we will hold them to | 4:29:31 | 4:29:41 | |
the statement. Thank you Madam
Deputy Speaker. And afferent it | 4:29:41 | 4:29:51 | |
represents a new front, a sudden
crisis. A seven-year long proxy war | 4:29:51 | 4:29:56 | |
that's killed an estimated half a
million people as we all know, Madam | 4:29:56 | 4:30:00 | |
Deputy Speaker, the laws of war
strictly per batch ) prohibit | 4:30:00 | 4:30:06 | |
attacking civilian structures,
civilian areas unless they're being | 4:30:06 | 4:30:08 | |
used for military purposes. Since
the conflict began, the local | 4:30:08 | 4:30:14 | |
Kurdish health authorities estimated
200, civilians and 600 have been | 4:30:14 | 4:30:19 | |
injured. The UN say that the
afferent district has a population | 4:30:19 | 4:30:27 | |
of 320,000, the majority of this are
classified as being in need. 100,000 | 4:30:27 | 4:30:32 | |
are not internally displaced. I was
speaking to my constituents and | 4:30:32 | 4:30:38 | |
Syrian refugees he was close to
tears in explaining what happened to | 4:30:38 | 4:30:44 | |
his family. He said his Sally was
not safe, it was only possible to | 4:30:44 | 4:30:48 | |
contact them every few days. Having
spoken to his brother this morning, | 4:30:48 | 4:30:52 | |
he said were under siege and didn't
know what to do. No water, no | 4:30:52 | 4:30:56 | |
electricity not enough food. In his
village near afferent, every one is | 4:30:56 | 4:31:02 | |
sheltered from bonds. Best
everything was settled shattered by | 4:31:02 | 4:31:06 | |
bombs. These are civilians, and to
have no place to go. Does the | 4:31:06 | 4:31:18 | |
Government and the pressure on
Turkey, and ensure respect for | 4:31:18 | 4:31:22 | |
international and UN law. What
progress has the Government made to | 4:31:22 | 4:31:27 | |
bring about a political resolution
in accordance resolution 2254. And | 4:31:27 | 4:31:32 | |
finally, on the 20th of February the
president of Turkey said, and he I | 4:31:32 | 4:31:40 | |
quote, cut external aid. What is the
UK Government doing doing to ensure | 4:31:40 | 4:31:45 | |
to increase it and to make sure that
it gets there? I am grateful to the | 4:31:45 | 4:31:51 | |
honourable gentleman. He started
with a brief description of the | 4:31:51 | 4:31:58 | |
horrors of this particular conflict
and in that he is absolutely right. | 4:31:58 | 4:32:01 | |
The great horror is that we have
seen in recent times the shredding | 4:32:01 | 4:32:05 | |
of the international law on which we
have tried to work for the best part | 4:32:05 | 4:32:10 | |
of 70 years since 1945. The UN
Security Council, if the UN Security | 4:32:10 | 4:32:17 | |
Council can't bring it to an end, if
we have moved away from the norms in | 4:32:17 | 4:32:20 | |
the use of chemical weapons, that is
also if we've seen the tactics of | 4:32:20 | 4:32:29 | |
siege and hunger come back into
modern warfare, then we risk losing | 4:32:29 | 4:32:36 | |
everything in a way that national
community has put together after the | 4:32:36 | 4:32:46 | |
horrors of World War II,... It has
echoes of that. And unless we find | 4:32:46 | 4:32:55 | |
ways to restore this national --
international order, will be | 4:32:55 | 4:32:58 | |
debating this longer any will raise
the possibility, as to what states | 4:32:58 | 4:33:04 | |
are doing, and not going back to the
old ways of dealing with complex, | 4:33:04 | 4:33:10 | |
mice pick has to be bit -- my bigger
than yours of resolving conflict. To | 4:33:10 | 4:33:14 | |
answer those three questions we will
continue to talk to our Nato | 4:33:14 | 4:33:21 | |
partners about the need for security
and how this operation may be | 4:33:21 | 4:33:26 | |
assisting them, what distinctions
they are drawn between humanitarian | 4:33:26 | 4:33:29 | |
casualties and the need to protect
civilians and those who are seeking | 4:33:29 | 4:33:33 | |
to protect their own postulation --
population. We are doing everything | 4:33:33 | 4:33:37 | |
we can to support them. In response
to the second question, intercept | 4:33:37 | 4:33:44 | |
diplomatic question, we have seen it
means that the Geneva process is the | 4:33:44 | 4:33:53 | |
best bet for political resolution.
In terms of aid, 2.46 billion, that | 4:33:53 | 4:33:59 | |
this is been the largest support the
United Kingdom has ever given to a | 4:33:59 | 4:34:03 | |
conflict situation to protect
refugees. There will be no shortage | 4:34:03 | 4:34:10 | |
refugees -- no shortage of help for
refugees, those who need help. But | 4:34:10 | 4:34:14 | |
the best course is two end the
conflict. Right honourable friend | 4:34:14 | 4:34:22 | |
was being pragmatic about how to
resolve the conflict. What are the | 4:34:22 | 4:34:27 | |
milestones that he is looking to
achieve along the journey? I thank | 4:34:27 | 4:34:31 | |
my honourable friend. Several have
come about recently. The Syrian | 4:34:31 | 4:34:40 | |
negotiation committee reformed after
meetings not represent the Syrian | 4:34:40 | 4:34:46 | |
opposition and has Kurdish
representatives on it in order to | 4:34:46 | 4:34:49 | |
present a united front at the Geneva
talks. The failure of the secondary | 4:34:49 | 4:34:55 | |
process, as I said earlier, means
that there can be more concentration | 4:34:55 | 4:35:00 | |
on Geneva. I understand that special
envoy is working on a series of | 4:35:00 | 4:35:07 | |
boxes that people can talk about,
and gradually come back together. | 4:35:07 | 4:35:12 | |
Most importantly, we continue
through you when African resolutions | 4:35:12 | 4:35:15 | |
to demand humanitarian access into a
conflict in conflict areas, not to | 4:35:15 | 4:35:23 | |
move attention away from the area,
and the damage that is being done | 4:35:23 | 4:35:29 | |
there, in horrific humanitarian
circumstances. We are calling on all | 4:35:29 | 4:35:32 | |
parties do heavy-handed that to
desist from that. And also recognise | 4:35:32 | 4:35:36 | |
that the siege of Daesh has not been
distinguished. If... Isn't this the | 4:35:36 | 4:35:51 | |
case that the gentleman is using...
To engage in a barbarous slaughter | 4:35:51 | 4:36:04 | |
of men, women and children. Should
the British Government be absolutely | 4:36:04 | 4:36:11 | |
clear that he must absolutely and
the offensive. And second has the | 4:36:11 | 4:36:15 | |
time not come to stop selling arms
to this man who is behaving like a | 4:36:15 | 4:36:19 | |
despot? Mr would have been
consistent in our thoughts to | 4:36:19 | 4:36:27 | |
de-escalate. With our Turkish and
Nato partners. But within | 4:36:27 | 4:36:38 | |
recognising the territorial
concerns, we indeed call to an end | 4:36:38 | 4:36:42 | |
-- for an end of the operations.
This appalling and big kids -- on | 4:36:42 | 4:36:52 | |
vindictive vendetta on our strongest
allies on the ground in the battle | 4:36:52 | 4:36:56 | |
against Daesh. Is there absolutely
no chance of the UN, brokered | 4:36:56 | 4:37:03 | |
cease-fire so that perhaps if that
was to happen, we could put | 4:37:03 | 4:37:07 | |
peacekeeping in to protect civilian
people? | 4:37:07 | 4:37:18 | |
While there is no effect already. | 4:37:18 | 4:37:29 | |
Urge before | 4:37:57 | 4:37:57 | |
my Kurdish constituents are deeply
distressed about what is happening | 4:38:02 | 4:38:07 | |
to civilians and Afrin. Hundreds of
people are being killed there and | 4:38:07 | 4:38:13 | |
hundreds of thousands are being
injured or are fleeing or being | 4:38:13 | 4:38:20 | |
displaced. What help can the
Minister give to those people who | 4:38:20 | 4:38:22 | |
are suffering so badly? The right
honourable Lady will be aware as we | 4:38:22 | 4:38:30 | |
all are about the recent press
reports, Sky News coverage over the | 4:38:30 | 4:38:35 | |
weekend. What I can do for the
honourable lady is give her the | 4:38:35 | 4:38:38 | |
absolute assurance that the UK
Government that there is repeated | 4:38:38 | 4:38:43 | |
representations and is seeking to
have the conflict escalated as being | 4:38:43 | 4:38:45 | |
clear. So that this part of the
conflict can come to an end as | 4:38:45 | 4:38:53 | |
swiftly as possible. It looks to me
that we have misread this Syrian | 4:38:53 | 4:38:59 | |
civil war from start to finish. The
facts on the grounds are the Asad is | 4:38:59 | 4:39:05 | |
winning the war. He will take the
eastern part of the city and he is | 4:39:05 | 4:39:09 | |
now allied with our allies, the
Kurds in resisting a naked invasion | 4:39:09 | 4:39:13 | |
from Turkey which can evolve to the
slaughter of thousands of innocent | 4:39:13 | 4:39:17 | |
civilians. Of the Turks have been
very generous in providing safe | 4:39:17 | 4:39:22 | |
refuge for millions of Syrian
refugees in Turkey itself, surely we | 4:39:22 | 4:39:26 | |
should call out this invasion for
what is and at this crucial moment, | 4:39:26 | 4:39:32 | |
Stan by the Kurds without whom we
would not have been able to defeat | 4:39:32 | 4:39:36 | |
Isis. Mr Speaker, my honourable
friend is correct in recognising | 4:39:36 | 4:39:45 | |
extraordinary contribution of the
Kurdish people across the region | 4:39:45 | 4:39:47 | |
through Serie A and the pushing back
Isis. However, the complexities of | 4:39:47 | 4:39:55 | |
the politics in the area and parts
of the country, Iraq and Turkey and | 4:39:55 | 4:39:59 | |
what is led to the present
situation, the history of the | 4:39:59 | 4:40:04 | |
conflict of Serie A which I have a
certain amount of knowledge from | 4:40:04 | 4:40:08 | |
2010 onwards. All I can do is assure
my honourable friend that we will do | 4:40:08 | 4:40:21 | |
all we can as I said to seek the
de-escalate this conflict, protect | 4:40:21 | 4:40:25 | |
Kurdish civilians and see a
resolution to the present issue. | 4:40:25 | 4:40:33 | |
Thank you. Last year the Foreign
Affairs Committee went to Turkey in | 4:40:33 | 4:40:37 | |
January. We had meetings with the
president and his senior Ministers. | 4:40:37 | 4:40:42 | |
It was made very clear to us at that
time that Turkey intended at some | 4:40:42 | 4:40:48 | |
point to relocate hundreds of
thousands of the 3 million serious | 4:40:48 | 4:40:53 | |
Arab refugees who were in Turkey
into the areas on their border in | 4:40:53 | 4:40:59 | |
the north and prevent the Kurds
having a contiguous area under their | 4:40:59 | 4:41:05 | |
control. Why did the international
community not tomorrow to stop? And | 4:41:05 | 4:41:15 | |
is the Minister really serious when
he thinks that there will be a | 4:41:15 | 4:41:18 | |
political solution and defeat for
Isis as long as Turkey sees its | 4:41:18 | 4:41:23 | |
priority as stopping the Kurds
rather than getting a political | 4:41:23 | 4:41:27 | |
solution. I'm not sure I really know
the answer to the honourable | 4:41:27 | 4:41:36 | |
gentleman's very good question.
Based on his knowledge of the area | 4:41:36 | 4:41:41 | |
which I certainly recognise. As I
said, the different aspects of this | 4:41:41 | 4:41:48 | |
conflict and the different reasons
why some states are taking action go | 4:41:48 | 4:41:56 | |
back many years and are intended to
sort out many difficulties in many | 4:41:56 | 4:42:01 | |
issues which are being brought to
light by the conflict against Isis | 4:42:01 | 4:42:06 | |
and the break-up of Syria. It's not
possible for the UK I don't think to | 4:42:06 | 4:42:12 | |
say to other states what the and
lines drawn on the map will be. | 4:42:12 | 4:42:20 | |
Countries have their concerns about
terrorist activity and Turkey has | 4:42:20 | 4:42:22 | |
been clear about that relation to
the PKK, a proscribed organisation | 4:42:22 | 4:42:28 | |
both there and here and that we
respect and a Nato ally. I've said | 4:42:28 | 4:42:31 | |
relation to what's happening
recently, we have been clear on our | 4:42:31 | 4:42:36 | |
determination that there should be a
de-escalation at that. We do call | 4:42:36 | 4:42:39 | |
for a resumption of the negotiations
with Tommy ended in 2015 between | 4:42:39 | 4:42:42 | |
Turkey and the PKK. Maybe perhaps it
is not quite as helpless as | 4:42:42 | 4:42:49 | |
sometimes we feel when we look at
the map. Thank you Madam Deputy | 4:42:49 | 4:42:54 | |
Speaker. Most I welcome the tone and
content of the Minister's statement | 4:42:54 | 4:43:00 | |
it is depressing to be back in the
House to talk about more horrors and | 4:43:00 | 4:43:03 | |
a country that is seen more than its
fair share over the last seven | 4:43:03 | 4:43:06 | |
years. Would he reassure me about
what efforts the UK will take to | 4:43:06 | 4:43:12 | |
protect civilians if there is a
Turkish siege of Afrin? I'm grateful | 4:43:12 | 4:43:20 | |
to my honourable friend. It
consistently raised the need to | 4:43:20 | 4:43:23 | |
protect civilians and to de-escalate
the operation. We want to see this | 4:43:23 | 4:43:29 | |
safe and sustained delivery of
humanitarian aid and services which | 4:43:29 | 4:43:32 | |
are urgently needed across the
region and indeed, in Syria as a | 4:43:32 | 4:43:35 | |
whole. We will continue to press for
that. He can only be assured that | 4:43:35 | 4:43:43 | |
although we cannot predict the
outcome we can be absolutely certain | 4:43:43 | 4:43:45 | |
of the efforts we will make to try
and de-escalate the situation and | 4:43:45 | 4:43:49 | |
have a humanitarian situation which
protect civilians. Madam Deputy | 4:43:49 | 4:44:00 | |
Speaker, I have several hundred
constituents in Edinburgh East who | 4:44:00 | 4:44:03 | |
hail from this part of the world.
Many of whom tonight are fearful for | 4:44:03 | 4:44:07 | |
their loved ones in the city of
Afrin. I have to tell the Minister | 4:44:07 | 4:44:10 | |
that they expressed to me and
increasing sense of the trail. That | 4:44:10 | 4:44:17 | |
this government and its allies are
happy to praise the sacrifice of the | 4:44:17 | 4:44:22 | |
Curtis people and the fight against
international terrorism and yet when | 4:44:22 | 4:44:25 | |
it comes to upholding their
political rights, they are met with | 4:44:25 | 4:44:28 | |
silence. Is it not the truth at the
time has come to stop the pretence | 4:44:28 | 4:44:32 | |
that what is happening with that
Turkish siege of Afrin has anything | 4:44:32 | 4:44:38 | |
to do with protecting the Turkish
territorial sovereignty and to admit | 4:44:38 | 4:44:43 | |
that it is all about degrading
aspirations of the Kurds and any | 4:44:43 | 4:44:47 | |
future political settlement which
will one day followed the end of | 4:44:47 | 4:44:51 | |
this conflict. The honourable
gentleman puts his own case and I | 4:44:51 | 4:45:00 | |
recognise that. It's not the view in
the United Kingdom government. We | 4:45:00 | 4:45:05 | |
recognise that terrorist concerns of
Turkey but equally we have been | 4:45:05 | 4:45:10 | |
clear about the impact of the
conflict and humanitarian basis and | 4:45:10 | 4:45:15 | |
on the opportunity to find a
political resolution. That solution | 4:45:15 | 4:45:23 | |
will knock him about the conflict,
it will come about through political | 4:45:23 | 4:45:25 | |
dialogue which is made more
difficult by the circumstances. | 4:45:25 | 4:45:29 | |
That's why the United Kingdom
continues to urge de-escalation, | 4:45:29 | 4:45:33 | |
humanitarian access and release for
the families of his constituents but | 4:45:33 | 4:45:38 | |
he speaks about. Whilst the Turkish
government have assured the Foreign | 4:45:38 | 4:45:45 | |
and Commonwealth Office that it is
working to prevent civilian | 4:45:45 | 4:45:48 | |
casualties, report showed they are
increasing. Can the Minister confirm | 4:45:48 | 4:45:52 | |
how the UK can ensure that civilians
are protected from a Turkish sees of | 4:45:52 | 4:45:57 | |
Afrin city? I'm grateful. The honest
answer is I cannot ensure it. The | 4:45:57 | 4:46:05 | |
United Kingdom government cannot
ensure this. Be to suggest something | 4:46:05 | 4:46:09 | |
we don't possess. It seems
inappropriate for me to do so. All I | 4:46:09 | 4:46:15 | |
can say is, along with others and
international community, we will | 4:46:15 | 4:46:18 | |
continue to make the representations
we can. We move for situation of | 4:46:18 | 4:46:22 | |
cease-fire in Syria in general.
Given resolution 2401 we worry that | 4:46:22 | 4:46:30 | |
these norms are not like here too.
-- the UN resolution. In the | 4:46:30 | 4:46:36 | |
immensely complex situation of
northern Syria, it's Turkish border, | 4:46:36 | 4:46:40 | |
what is been experienced and Turkey
over the years and the long-standing | 4:46:40 | 4:46:43 | |
conflict, there is none of this at
the United Kingdom can give an | 4:46:43 | 4:46:47 | |
assurance about. All we can say is
we are very clear that humanitarian | 4:46:47 | 4:46:52 | |
considerations must come first. You
must be humanitarian access. The | 4:46:52 | 4:46:55 | |
best way to deal with any of the
complexes political de-escalation | 4:46:55 | 4:47:02 | |
not that escalation of conflict
which will only lead to the | 4:47:02 | 4:47:05 | |
resurgence of the conflict as soon
as this is over. The Minister is | 4:47:05 | 4:47:10 | |
right to urge restraint from Turkey,
I know the partners in the country. | 4:47:10 | 4:47:16 | |
-- region. And I asked what the
Government's assessment or the fair | 4:47:16 | 4:47:22 | |
affairs committee conclusion of the
link between the PKK and a wide PG | 4:47:22 | 4:47:28 | |
with essential to understanding what
is driving Turkey. Does he share my | 4:47:28 | 4:47:38 | |
fears that there may be a long
period where the protection of | 4:47:38 | 4:47:42 | |
civilians is under threat while we
tried to get a political settlement | 4:47:42 | 4:47:47 | |
and decent governance across areas
which are war-torn present. Once | 4:47:47 | 4:47:57 | |
again the honourable gentleman
speaks about great knowledge of the | 4:47:57 | 4:48:03 | |
area. As I said in evidence, the
United Kingdom recognises some | 4:48:03 | 4:48:11 | |
similarities in terms of ideology
between PKK and why PG. Not the | 4:48:11 | 4:48:15 | |
direct link that is claimed by
Turkey which is why we prescribe PKK | 4:48:15 | 4:48:21 | |
not the other group. We are aware of
the issues of similarity. We don't | 4:48:21 | 4:48:32 | |
see the link in the same way. The
second point regarding the long-term | 4:48:32 | 4:48:38 | |
nature of this is of course entirely
real. The longer the conflict as a | 4:48:38 | 4:48:42 | |
whole goes on, more there will be
the opportunity for issues of | 4:48:42 | 4:48:47 | |
long-standing to be settled with the
disruption that's currently taking | 4:48:47 | 4:48:53 | |
place in Syria. That is why the best
opportunity for peace and security | 4:48:53 | 4:48:58 | |
all around is to support the Geneva
process as we are in work as hard as | 4:48:58 | 4:49:02 | |
we are diplomatically to get the
parties to find a better answer to | 4:49:02 | 4:49:05 | |
the conflict occurs as the region
aptly shows, the only certainty in | 4:49:05 | 4:49:09 | |
the region... Sooner or later that
group will take up arms against the | 4:49:09 | 4:49:15 | |
other. Thank you. I would like to
thank the Minister for his statement | 4:49:15 | 4:49:22 | |
and the eloquence of his answers. It
reflects the view of Sony people in | 4:49:22 | 4:49:30 | |
the House with sympathy for the
Kurds have been fighting Isis for | 4:49:30 | 4:49:37 | |
years frankly often on our behalf
and a sense of helplessness we all | 4:49:37 | 4:49:40 | |
feel I what is happening at Afrin.
My question is, on the basis of the | 4:49:40 | 4:49:47 | |
considerable investment and money
that the United Kingdom has put in | 4:49:47 | 4:49:53 | |
in humanitarian aid, are there any
specific additional elements of the | 4:49:53 | 4:50:00 | |
humanitarian aid that the Minister
feels that the Government could | 4:50:00 | 4:50:04 | |
perhaps do to help the people
suffering in Afrin? Mr Speaker I'm | 4:50:04 | 4:50:10 | |
grateful to the honourable
gentleman. At the moment, the honest | 4:50:10 | 4:50:15 | |
answer is I can't see anything that
we could currently add valid make a | 4:50:15 | 4:50:19 | |
significant difference beyond what
we are already seeking to do. I been | 4:50:19 | 4:50:23 | |
quite clear that we need to get
preparations made to ensure that | 4:50:23 | 4:50:27 | |
when civilians leave the area that
supplies are there. We are | 4:50:27 | 4:50:38 | |
consistent in supporting one in 401
to seek access and de-escalation of | 4:50:38 | 4:50:47 | |
conflict to allow opportunities to
be created both the dialogue and to | 4:50:47 | 4:50:51 | |
protect the people. If there is
anything new that we could think of | 4:50:51 | 4:50:54 | |
to add to it, we would. Meanwhile we
are working with all the partners we | 4:50:54 | 4:50:59 | |
can to see the de-escalate and get
the humanitarian access that is | 4:50:59 | 4:51:01 | |
crucial. We should all be appalled
by the scenes affecting civilians in | 4:51:01 | 4:51:08 | |
Afrin. Our ability to influence the
operational military tactics of Isis | 4:51:08 | 4:51:15 | |
or Asad or Russia and the situations
is limited. Turkey is a member of | 4:51:15 | 4:51:21 | |
Nato. I wondered if he could save
whether there's been direct contact | 4:51:21 | 4:51:24 | |
between his Defence Secretary and
his counterpart in Turkey and | 4:51:24 | 4:51:30 | |
officer level contact about the
conduct and the tactics and the | 4:51:30 | 4:51:35 | |
importance of Turkey adhering to
international humanitarian law. An | 4:51:35 | 4:51:38 | |
answer to that question is, I can't
speak for Defence Secretary. I can't | 4:51:38 | 4:51:47 | |
say there has been contact between
the military. Not to the extent he | 4:51:47 | 4:51:49 | |
is saying because it was almost a
question about tactics and | 4:51:49 | 4:51:53 | |
everything and that when a bee in
any way appropriate. Defensive | 4:51:53 | 4:52:00 | |
coaches, ambassadors approaches,
prime Ministers approaches, Foreign | 4:52:00 | 4:52:04 | |
secretaries approaches have been
consistent about the de-escalation | 4:52:04 | 4:52:05 | |
of the conflict. That is the
approach. As a Nato partner, other | 4:52:05 | 4:52:11 | |
partners are involved as well. The
United States has a significant | 4:52:11 | 4:52:15 | |
interest in the area and also in
this conflict coming to an end as | 4:52:15 | 4:52:18 | |
soon as possible. As has already
been mentioned, the Kurds have been | 4:52:18 | 4:52:25 | |
key allies in our fight against
Isis. For the interest of clarity, | 4:52:25 | 4:52:29 | |
does the Government consider
Turkey's continued attacks on Afrin | 4:52:29 | 4:52:32 | |
as contravening UN Security Council
resolution 2401? If so, with the | 4:52:32 | 4:52:39 | |
Minister agree that is not only the
right thing to do to condemn them | 4:52:39 | 4:52:43 | |
also crucial if we are to restore
faith in the international order and | 4:52:43 | 4:52:46 | |
any hopes of bringing about a
political resolution. | 4:52:46 | 4:52:53 | |
Assad the honourable gentleman
princes question there well. If 2401 | 4:52:53 | 4:52:57 | |
means what it says. It means
cease-fire for the whole of Syria. | 4:52:57 | 4:53:01 | |
The United Kingdom is part of that
expense by. As I said earlier, what | 4:53:01 | 4:53:05 | |
happens of resolutions now if there
was not sufficient will underground, | 4:53:05 | 4:53:08 | |
that we don't get what we need to
be. Indeed, the whole international | 4:53:08 | 4:53:13 | |
order is effective. That is a reason
why we are so consistent in talking | 4:53:13 | 4:53:17 | |
to our Turkish partner about the
de-escalation, the need for the | 4:53:17 | 4:53:25 | |
escalation, the need for
humanitarian access and to urge all | 4:53:25 | 4:53:27 | |
parties in the area defined way
beyond the concert. Last weekend, a | 4:53:27 | 4:53:34 | |
Kurdish constituent dissolved in
tears at a meeting about something | 4:53:34 | 4:53:36 | |
else. They're worried about their
family. I am wondering what we can | 4:53:36 | 4:53:40 | |
do in terms of taking evidence so
that in future, war crimes can be | 4:53:40 | 4:53:47 | |
prosecuted on an international Court
of justice. The honourable lady goes | 4:53:47 | 4:53:53 | |
further than I can go in relation to
this particular issue. Any war crime | 4:53:53 | 4:53:59 | |
allegations has to be reported to
the authorities. The United Kingdom | 4:53:59 | 4:54:04 | |
has worked extremely hard to put...
Provide those in Syria to gather | 4:54:04 | 4:54:10 | |
evidence of crimes wherever they may
be. Then again, one can understand | 4:54:10 | 4:54:15 | |
her constituents, but throughout
that area there are families in | 4:54:15 | 4:54:20 | |
tears. At each border atrocities
committed. That is a tragedy for the | 4:54:20 | 4:54:25 | |
united kingdom is worse for others
to bring an end to an end. It's only | 4:54:25 | 4:54:33 | |
bite digging into this in the manner
suggested by the UN, as individual | 4:54:33 | 4:54:39 | |
aspect of justice and accountability
are absolutely important. We... | 4:54:39 | 4:54:53 | |
The Minister will be aware that has
occurred is a Kurdish community in | 4:54:55 | 4:54:57 | |
my constituency is well. We have
discussed this in the recent past. | 4:54:57 | 4:55:04 | |
The Kurdish community in Glasgow has
a mixture of sadness and anger. To | 4:55:04 | 4:55:09 | |
ask given to the city of Afron is
under siege without water and food, | 4:55:09 | 4:55:14 | |
we have a motion for both sides of
house to condemn, displacement,... | 4:55:14 | 4:55:21 | |
And whole region. What I can do
Madam Deputy Speaker is make | 4:55:21 | 4:55:27 | |
reference to what I said earlier.
The tactics of siege, ignoring | 4:55:27 | 4:55:31 | |
humanitarian norms, international
long conflict all communities in the | 4:55:31 | 4:55:40 | |
region will suffer longer it goes
on. We are calling for it | 4:55:40 | 4:55:45 | |
de-escalation. And the only thing
that ultimately will end the | 4:55:45 | 4:55:53 | |
conflict throughout the region.
Madam Deputy Speaker, the Minister | 4:55:53 | 4:55:58 | |
has said that the Government intends
to hold the Turkish government to | 4:55:58 | 4:56:03 | |
account for the representation is
given civilian customs. What | 4:56:03 | 4:56:10 | |
specific steps will the Government
do. Will they press for independent | 4:56:10 | 4:56:17 | |
monitoring -- I'm monitoring of
international law? In terms of | 4:56:17 | 4:56:22 | |
holding people accountable, we
withhold any party that is guilty of | 4:56:22 | 4:56:30 | |
any crimes in the conflict as my
conflict in the same way that all | 4:56:30 | 4:56:35 | |
international structures monitoring
on the ground is extremely | 4:56:35 | 4:56:38 | |
difficult. We must be entirely
tactical about this. The holding it | 4:56:38 | 4:56:43 | |
to is the same holding into account
of any party in the conflict. We | 4:56:43 | 4:56:48 | |
have been very clear, as I said, we
understand the origins of this and | 4:56:48 | 4:56:54 | |
why Turkey has a concerns that it
does. But equally, we recognise the | 4:56:54 | 4:57:01 | |
risk of this conflict are diverting
attention from the regime, from | 4:57:01 | 4:57:05 | |
Isis, there is evidence that this
conflict in Afron has grown and | 4:57:05 | 4:57:11 | |
others elsewhere have taken the
opportunity do in order to start | 4:57:11 | 4:57:15 | |
their own operations again which is
just further misery for the people | 4:57:15 | 4:57:18 | |
of Syria. Again I go back to the
Secretary General and his determined | 4:57:18 | 4:57:22 | |
-- determination to try to find an
overall settlement over this. | 4:57:22 | 4:57:26 | |
Ultimately that is the only thing
that will end the conflict between | 4:57:26 | 4:57:31 | |
the parties and the pain that is
being suffered tonight in areas of | 4:57:31 | 4:57:33 | |
the region. Does the Minister agree
that the Turkish assault on Afron | 4:57:33 | 4:57:42 | |
was entirely to him testify and has
no basis in international law and if | 4:57:42 | 4:57:47 | |
he does, what specific steps will be
taken by the Government ensure that | 4:57:47 | 4:57:52 | |
Turkey is held accountable for war
crimes being perpetrated in Afron. | 4:57:52 | 4:57:57 | |
At the beginning of my segment I set
out what the United Kingdom thought | 4:57:57 | 4:58:04 | |
of that. I seek your advice one year
ago, today, exactly on the 12th of | 4:58:04 | 4:58:25 | |
March 2017, the foreign affairs
select committee published a report, | 4:58:25 | 4:58:32 | |
Article 50 negotiations,
implications of no deal. We also | 4:58:32 | 4:58:37 | |
published several other reports in
March of last year. Responses to | 4:58:37 | 4:58:44 | |
those reports on Turkey, on Russia,
in our second report on political | 4:58:44 | 4:58:52 | |
Islam were received by the former
does write for an Commonwealth | 4:58:52 | 4:58:58 | |
office on the 20th of July and were
published as soon as the committee | 4:58:58 | 4:59:02 | |
was re-established in September. We
have received no response to the | 4:59:02 | 4:59:09 | |
report that was published in March
on implications of no deal. We raise | 4:59:09 | 4:59:15 | |
the matter, I raise the matter with
the Foreign Secretary when he came | 4:59:15 | 4:59:20 | |
before our committee in November on
the 1st of November. And reminded | 4:59:20 | 4:59:25 | |
him that the committee had not yet
received the customary response to | 4:59:25 | 4:59:29 | |
within two months. He said, I think
you are asking the wrong department. | 4:59:29 | 4:59:35 | |
I think it is someone else who is
drafting the response to your | 4:59:35 | 4:59:44 | |
excellent report. I am asking if you
have seen thus like I asked him if | 4:59:44 | 4:59:48 | |
he had seen in a draft that you said
not that I'm aware of. And he said I | 4:59:48 | 4:59:52 | |
promise to take it up guys like to
get up and I set it is eight months, | 4:59:52 | 4:59:59 | |
he said thank you we will make sure
to take it up. To date, despite | 4:59:59 | 5:00:05 | |
expecting a response, the Foreign
Affairs Committee has not received a | 5:00:05 | 5:00:10 | |
response from the Department for
exiting the EU, or the Commonwealth | 5:00:10 | 5:00:16 | |
office, one year after the reports.
Madam Deputy Speaker, can you | 5:00:16 | 5:00:19 | |
suggest to me any course of action
that can be taken. I'm speaking here | 5:00:19 | 5:00:27 | |
on behalf of the committee. What can
we do to get the basic courtesy of a | 5:00:27 | 5:00:34 | |
response from this government on a
matter of topical interest, vital | 5:00:34 | 5:00:39 | |
interest to our country and to our
Parliament. How can we get the | 5:00:39 | 5:00:45 | |
Government to respond as they are
supposed to do a committee report? I | 5:00:45 | 5:00:53 | |
thank the honourable member for
giving me notice that he intended to | 5:00:53 | 5:00:57 | |
raise this issue on behalf of of the
Foreign Affairs Committee. It | 5:00:57 | 5:01:03 | |
certainly, it is certainly very
unsatisfactory that the Government | 5:01:03 | 5:01:06 | |
hasn't replied to a report of the
41st committee, if indeed he was | 5:01:06 | 5:01:12 | |
published a year ago. It is
understandable, that sometimes there | 5:01:12 | 5:01:19 | |
will be a bit of the deep bass by
delay, during an election period. It | 5:01:19 | 5:01:23 | |
should normally be two guns. But
clearly, I delay every year is | 5:01:23 | 5:01:30 | |
something quite different. I do hope
in response to, I do hope that this | 5:01:30 | 5:01:38 | |
is being noted on the Treasury bench
and the departments involved, could | 5:01:38 | 5:01:43 | |
now get together resolve what is
going to be done about it so that a | 5:01:43 | 5:01:50 | |
committee can have a response as
soon as possible. Thank you. Point | 5:01:50 | 5:01:55 | |
of order. Thank you Madam Deputy
Speaker, I seek your advice. Roof | 5:01:55 | 5:02:04 | |
railing around the international
Trade Secretary referred to both my | 5:02:04 | 5:02:11 | |
colleagues as being completely
opposed... That is categorically | 5:02:11 | 5:02:21 | |
incorrect. She will not as well as I
do, fighting against a poorly | 5:02:21 | 5:02:25 | |
developed policies is there a
definitive voting against the | 5:02:25 | 5:02:28 | |
concept in its entirety. The
honourable gentleman is it Doctor | 5:02:28 | 5:02:37 | |
but he has not done his work --
homework on this occasion. We had | 5:02:37 | 5:02:44 | |
tabled a number of amendments to
improve, ... None of which were | 5:02:44 | 5:02:50 | |
taken on board or accepted by the
Government. What can I do to ensure | 5:02:50 | 5:02:56 | |
the honourable gentleman and sets
the record straight? The honourable | 5:02:56 | 5:03:04 | |
lady has made her point very clearly
about what she felt in terms of the | 5:03:04 | 5:03:09 | |
remarks made. The Bill will be
coming back to the House and so I | 5:03:09 | 5:03:16 | |
will suggest, and I'm sure she will,
continue to put over her view as I | 5:03:16 | 5:03:21 | |
am sure the local front bench will
as well when it comes back. So if | 5:03:21 | 5:03:27 | |
there are no quest -- no further
point of order, the court will now | 5:03:27 | 5:03:34 | |
proceed to read the orders of the
day. Financial... And plays | 5:03:34 | 5:03:40 | |
billboard. To be considered. Not
moved. Built to be considered what | 5:03:40 | 5:03:48 | |
they? Tomorrow. We now come to
motion number two relating to the | 5:03:48 | 5:03:56 | |
petitions committee, Bill Wiggin.
The question is is on the order | 5:03:56 | 5:04:02 | |
paper, essay I doesn't iMac... Thank
you very much. I wish to present I | 5:04:02 | 5:04:17 | |
was present a petition to improve
access at the... Station. It is a | 5:04:17 | 5:04:29 | |
key station in Manchester, Sheffield
lined used by thousands of commuters | 5:04:29 | 5:04:33 | |
but also needed by elderly and
disabled people for access the | 5:04:33 | 5:04:37 | |
hospital. The centres for disabled
children and adults, it is | 5:04:37 | 5:04:46 | |
considerably needed. The platform
can only be accessed where injuries | 5:04:46 | 5:04:52 | |
regularly occur. The House of
Commons urges the Department for | 5:04:52 | 5:04:56 | |
Transport to make improvements to
Jimmy station so that a public can | 5:04:56 | 5:05:00 | |
have level access to railway at
Julie. -- Mike | 5:05:00 | 5:05:15 | |
Julie petition, accessibility at
Chin Lee station does not the | 5:05:21 | 5:05:38 | |
question is this House do now
adjourn. I am very grateful this | 5:05:38 | 5:05:45 | |
evening with the opportunity to
highlight this up issue. I will | 5:05:45 | 5:05:54 | |
start, if you are one of those
families who are just managing. I | 5:05:54 | 5:05:59 | |
want to address a directive of a
minor working around-the-clock, I | 5:05:59 | 5:06:02 | |
know you're doing your best and I
know that sometimes life can be a | 5:06:02 | 5:06:05 | |
struggle. Ministers are probably fed
up with empties quoting those words, | 5:06:05 | 5:06:10 | |
spoken by the Prime Minister just 20
months ago on the steps of Downing | 5:06:10 | 5:06:14 | |
Street. And to keep mentioning them
in many different contexts as we see | 5:06:14 | 5:06:18 | |
our community software, as the
promise that followed fails to meet | 5:06:18 | 5:06:24 | |
the needs. Here some of the most
venerable people in our community | 5:06:24 | 5:06:28 | |
believe as a race bike care price,
Madam Deputy Speaker, no one works | 5:06:28 | 5:06:35 | |
harder around the clock, doing the
best, struggling to cope and care | 5:06:35 | 5:06:40 | |
than the parents and siblings of
vulnerable adults. Vulnerable | 5:06:40 | 5:06:44 | |
adults, some of the have the most
complex needs imaginable. Those | 5:06:44 | 5:06:49 | |
vulnerable adults have some of the
most extreme personal needs, can be | 5:06:49 | 5:06:54 | |
in their 30s, 40s, or even the 50s.
Parents caring for them, are in | 5:06:54 | 5:07:02 | |
their 50s, 60s, 70s, we as a
society, all those parents and | 5:07:02 | 5:07:08 | |
carers, we are them is huge debt of
gratitude. Teachers do care for | 5:07:08 | 5:07:11 | |
their loved ones at home, they don't
hand them over to the state, but | 5:07:11 | 5:07:17 | |
they go on with the job. They injure
the sleepless nights, the clean-up | 5:07:17 | 5:07:21 | |
after the family members come and
give them the love and dedication | 5:07:21 | 5:07:24 | |
than he. To be honest, they don't
ask for much in return. Hugh Madam | 5:07:24 | 5:07:33 | |
Deputy Speaker, we often let them
down. By failing to provide them | 5:07:33 | 5:07:37 | |
with the subordinate. It appears to
many to be getting worse instead of | 5:07:37 | 5:07:43 | |
better. I know this issue isn't
exclusive to my constituency. But I | 5:07:43 | 5:07:50 | |
want to speak... All those families
who rely on the residential despite | 5:07:50 | 5:08:01 | |
care. Give them a break from caring,
a break from themselves. I | 5:08:01 | 5:08:19 | |
Does the honourable member or not
agree that rest take care must be... | 5:08:19 | 5:08:25 | |
In Northern Ireland, with honourable
gentleman is saying has happened to | 5:08:32 | 5:08:34 | |
us as well. I think the Member for
his intervention. I agree with them. | 5:08:34 | 5:08:40 | |
The longer people state supported at
home, the longer they have a greater | 5:08:40 | 5:08:46 | |
financial burden on the state. Such
is the crisis in health and social | 5:08:46 | 5:08:54 | |
care in our country that our NHS
commissioners face difficult choices | 5:08:54 | 5:08:59 | |
and families are really worried that
they could be facing a substantial | 5:08:59 | 5:09:02 | |
cut in the provision offered to them
as the local tries to stretch | 5:09:02 | 5:09:07 | |
limited resources they have the
meeting increase of demand for | 5:09:07 | 5:09:10 | |
support. The clinical commissioning
group and the South cc CG are | 5:09:10 | 5:09:18 | |
reorganizing the way they provide
residential rest by care. When I met | 5:09:18 | 5:09:24 | |
with the Executive on Friday, she
told me at the need to have deep | 5:09:24 | 5:09:28 | |
space services and the plan to
review exactly what each individual | 5:09:28 | 5:09:30 | |
needs. I know and so does the
Minister that we do have to have | 5:09:30 | 5:09:36 | |
equity in the system and meet the
needs of each individual. I don't | 5:09:36 | 5:09:40 | |
have a problem with that. Sadly, the
review has been interpreted by the | 5:09:40 | 5:09:44 | |
families as a cut and provision.
Some believe they could lose up to | 5:09:44 | 5:09:48 | |
half their rest by knights and they
are anxious about that. I definitely | 5:09:48 | 5:09:51 | |
agree that provisions should be
right to meet the needs of the | 5:09:51 | 5:09:55 | |
individual but this issue is much
greater than that. It's also about | 5:09:55 | 5:09:58 | |
the needs of the whole family.
Before this ECG decided under | 5:09:58 | 5:10:05 | |
review, perhaps they should've done
and needs assessment first. In fact, | 5:10:05 | 5:10:08 | |
I've always thought that the rest by
care was very much for the family, | 5:10:08 | 5:10:15 | |
in opportunity to take a break from
their caring responsibilities, to | 5:10:15 | 5:10:19 | |
recharge the batteries and prepared
to resume what they see as their | 5:10:19 | 5:10:22 | |
duties. This ECG have been at pains
to stress to me that their proposals | 5:10:22 | 5:10:29 | |
don't necessarily mean that there
would be a huge resolution and the | 5:10:29 | 5:10:33 | |
number of rest by nights but
recognise that things will change | 5:10:33 | 5:10:35 | |
for some people and their working
with families and piloting ideas to | 5:10:35 | 5:10:39 | |
improve provision. Lust I think they
could've handled this whole business | 5:10:39 | 5:10:49 | |
better, the issues from the
perspective of the families and the | 5:10:49 | 5:10:52 | |
various local authority and joint
health screening groups who oppose | 5:10:52 | 5:10:55 | |
the plans, I can say is their fault.
I will give way. Thank you for | 5:10:55 | 5:11:01 | |
giving way. On the point of rest
bites where you're moving onto. In | 5:11:01 | 5:11:07 | |
my constituency of Peterborough,
their closing a home where they | 5:11:07 | 5:11:12 | |
provide back care for very disabled
and unwell children and I very much | 5:11:12 | 5:11:16 | |
agree with you that it should be
about the whole child including the | 5:11:16 | 5:11:21 | |
family and the rest bites it gets to
the family to have that provision. | 5:11:21 | 5:11:25 | |
In my constituency they are
cancelling that provision altogether | 5:11:25 | 5:11:28 | |
and I think the impact of that needs
to be assessed. Would you agree? | 5:11:28 | 5:11:34 | |
Certainly I would. Not being just a
Teesside issue but an issue across | 5:11:34 | 5:11:39 | |
the country. I think it's a
tremendous challenge the Government | 5:11:39 | 5:11:43 | |
to plan for the future. I know the
team dealing with wider provision | 5:11:43 | 5:11:51 | |
are dedicated to their jobs and that
they too have been distressed as we | 5:11:51 | 5:11:56 | |
have gone through this process and I
for one appreciate the strains of | 5:11:56 | 5:11:59 | |
dealing with these sensitive issues.
They are trying to do their best | 5:11:59 | 5:12:03 | |
within what they say are that...
Personally I could've hoped they | 5:12:03 | 5:12:09 | |
would kick the Government a bit for
failing to provide the resources | 5:12:09 | 5:12:13 | |
needed. Currently it is provided
into NHS centres of excellence. What | 5:12:13 | 5:12:18 | |
are they planning to do now? The
best of the options available is | 5:12:18 | 5:12:23 | |
this perceived reduction in
residential care provided by the | 5:12:23 | 5:12:27 | |
expert... And then the provision of
alternative choices largely without | 5:12:27 | 5:12:34 | |
nurses. These includes beds and care
homes, hotel rooms, adapted caravans | 5:12:34 | 5:12:39 | |
and even in the carers own homes.
Could we see a vulnerable adult | 5:12:39 | 5:12:46 | |
accommodated in a caravan somewhere?
What about the risk assessments for | 5:12:46 | 5:12:53 | |
all of this menu or provision? Who
is going to check that all the new | 5:12:53 | 5:12:57 | |
people is probable people are cared
for about trained and suitable for | 5:12:57 | 5:12:59 | |
this role and that the premises also
are suitable. In what rest by is | 5:12:59 | 5:13:05 | |
therefore a carer if the rest bite
worker under their own roof. Not | 5:13:05 | 5:13:11 | |
much of a break for the carer or the
family member. To be fair, they are | 5:13:11 | 5:13:19 | |
promised there will always be a
properly trained staff to offer the | 5:13:19 | 5:13:21 | |
care and support required but sadly
they have yet to provide the | 5:13:21 | 5:13:25 | |
families with the reassurances they
need. The uncertainty is torturous | 5:13:25 | 5:13:30 | |
for them. So much more needs to be
done to drive understanding. But | 5:13:30 | 5:13:34 | |
we've also got asked, if changes
which cause such disruption are very | 5:13:34 | 5:13:39 | |
appropriate and the 21st-century
Britain when carers don't know what | 5:13:39 | 5:13:43 | |
the future holds. Our provision
should be improving, not | 5:13:43 | 5:13:47 | |
deteriorating in practical terms...
I recently wrote to the Hartlepool | 5:13:47 | 5:13:56 | |
regarding the consultation that was
taking place at the time I was | 5:13:56 | 5:13:59 | |
writing. They confirmed they are
committed to retaining the 4155 | 5:13:59 | 5:14:03 | |
Ilium pound financial fund for this
provision. The highlighted that this | 5:14:03 | 5:14:06 | |
will have to spread further to reach
more families. | 5:14:06 | 5:14:11 | |
He is making a powerful case but
does he not agree that in terms of | 5:14:15 | 5:14:19 | |
carers we need to be doing a great
deal more in this country to set | 5:14:19 | 5:14:23 | |
for. I think back to the 97 Labour
government and my national insurance | 5:14:23 | 5:14:28 | |
contributions were introduced
towards their pensions. Isn't the | 5:14:28 | 5:14:31 | |
case really for looking at this and
doing more to terrorist? -- doing | 5:14:31 | 5:14:37 | |
more to support carers. I don't know
we will get to the point we consider | 5:14:37 | 5:14:44 | |
we are content that we have done
enough. I think we need to do much | 5:14:44 | 5:14:47 | |
more. They were saying that the £1.5
million provision for this service | 5:14:47 | 5:14:56 | |
will be maintained but a has to be
spread to reach more families. The | 5:14:56 | 5:15:01 | |
confirms the provision is being
diluted when you dilute provision, | 5:15:01 | 5:15:03 | |
you cut it and it will be the carers
who pick up the extra | 5:15:03 | 5:15:08 | |
responsibility. I accept the point
that more people need services. | 5:15:08 | 5:15:14 | |
Surely the answer to this is to
increase funding and provide the | 5:15:14 | 5:15:17 | |
services that are needed, not
watered down what is available to | 5:15:17 | 5:15:22 | |
provide a poorer quality service. As
you know, the demand for these | 5:15:22 | 5:15:27 | |
services will continue to increase
over the coming years as more | 5:15:27 | 5:15:31 | |
vulnerable, high needs young people
grow into adults, live longer and | 5:15:31 | 5:15:34 | |
need the kind of support given by
the kind of people I've been | 5:15:34 | 5:15:40 | |
speaking out. The cost of meeting
these services will therefore go up | 5:15:40 | 5:15:44 | |
and yes, are may in some cases be
shared with NHS and local | 5:15:44 | 5:15:49 | |
authorities. Neither of them can
sustain quality services for a | 5:15:49 | 5:15:53 | |
growing cohort of people when their
income simply isn't there. Stockton | 5:15:53 | 5:15:57 | |
Council has had its budget cut by
52% since 2010. It spends around 57% | 5:15:57 | 5:16:05 | |
of the money it spends on social
care. I asked the Minister today if | 5:16:05 | 5:16:11 | |
she realises the potential crisis
we're facing. She understand the | 5:16:11 | 5:16:16 | |
tremendous role these carers take on
and can she appreciate the need for | 5:16:16 | 5:16:20 | |
comprehensive rest by care to give
them a few days break? Or does she | 5:16:20 | 5:16:25 | |
think they will get by? Summate,
others want. They will face the | 5:16:25 | 5:16:32 | |
difficult decision to hand over
their Lumb what the Lima -- loved | 5:16:32 | 5:16:36 | |
I would ask the Minister, what
short, mid and long-term planning is | 5:16:39 | 5:16:46 | |
government doing to ensure we have a
strategy in place across the country | 5:16:46 | 5:16:51 | |
to cope with increased demand in
this area and provide increased | 5:16:51 | 5:16:53 | |
resources required to deliver
appropriate provision. My colleagues | 5:16:53 | 5:16:57 | |
in Teesside have all listened to the
stories of these carers and | 5:16:57 | 5:17:06 | |
recognise they are facing tremendous
anxiety about what the changes will | 5:17:06 | 5:17:10 | |
mean the rest by care. Others two
have listened. The scrutiny | 5:17:10 | 5:17:14 | |
committees... This cross committee
of local counsellors stated they | 5:17:14 | 5:17:22 | |
cannot endorse either of the options
offered on... None of them believed | 5:17:22 | 5:17:30 | |
they have covered themselves and
glory over the way this matter has | 5:17:30 | 5:17:32 | |
been handled and can see why those
dependent on the services for a | 5:17:32 | 5:17:38 | |
decent quality of life have lost all
trust in the organisation and feel | 5:17:38 | 5:17:41 | |
they have just been ignored and
failed to understand their needs. | 5:17:41 | 5:17:46 | |
There's another dimension to this. I
applaud for the comprehensive | 5:17:46 | 5:17:53 | |
exercise that is gone and and it has
been competence have. Sadly, it has | 5:17:53 | 5:17:59 | |
failed to get their message across.
It is failed to give the reassurance | 5:17:59 | 5:18:05 | |
to those needy families. The
families interpret that as having | 5:18:05 | 5:18:07 | |
failed to recognise anxieties
created by the process and carer | 5:18:07 | 5:18:12 | |
stomach they have no understanding
of any new criteria which will | 5:18:12 | 5:18:15 | |
determine who gets what services.
They feel they are being left in the | 5:18:15 | 5:18:20 | |
dark. I praised the public
consultation but at the end of the | 5:18:20 | 5:18:25 | |
day, the real options are severely
limited. They repeat no more extra | 5:18:25 | 5:18:32 | |
cash to cope with increased demand.
I've heard at one meeting with | 5:18:32 | 5:18:35 | |
counsellors, they said carers
cheered when option two was chosen | 5:18:35 | 5:18:39 | |
over option one. The first option
would have ended all provision. | 5:18:39 | 5:18:46 | |
Naturally they cheered for the worst
of the two options. -- the better of | 5:18:46 | 5:18:52 | |
two bad options. There was no option
at all to extend the current | 5:18:52 | 5:18:56 | |
provision and resources to cater for
the additional needs of new adults | 5:18:56 | 5:18:59 | |
coming into the system, something I
believe Ministers need to reflect | 5:18:59 | 5:19:02 | |
on. They also stated its not a
cost-cutting exercise. What they | 5:19:02 | 5:19:09 | |
need to look after more people with
the same money, there are fewer | 5:19:09 | 5:19:13 | |
resources left per person in the
system. Was very critical of them | 5:19:13 | 5:19:20 | |
and the way they've handled this
issue I recognise they have been in | 5:19:20 | 5:19:22 | |
many ways backed into a corner. They
know the demands on their service | 5:19:22 | 5:19:26 | |
but does the Minister? They know
they have more people needing | 5:19:26 | 5:19:29 | |
services and new additional funding
to provide it. We all know we have a | 5:19:29 | 5:19:34 | |
health and social care crisis in our
country. As the Government cuts | 5:19:34 | 5:19:41 | |
deeper. It's not something our local
NHS commissioners can do. They can | 5:19:41 | 5:19:49 | |
tell the local taxpayers they are
sticking an extra 3% on their bill | 5:19:49 | 5:19:52 | |
to try and alleviate the shortage of
funds and areas like rest by care. | 5:19:52 | 5:19:55 | |
That leaves the Bok well and truly
in our chamber here with the | 5:19:55 | 5:20:01 | |
Secretary of State for Health and
social care and of course, the | 5:20:01 | 5:20:04 | |
Minister. My plea to her is simple.
Will she take an interest in what's | 5:20:04 | 5:20:08 | |
happening on Teesside with this type
of care for vulnerable adults? Will | 5:20:08 | 5:20:13 | |
she examine the proposals which
parents see as a cut to provision | 5:20:13 | 5:20:17 | |
for families in the area? This is
much bigger than Teesside. I know | 5:20:17 | 5:20:22 | |
there are cc cheese up and down the
country facing the same issues. | 5:20:22 | 5:20:25 | |
Perhaps it is time... | 5:20:25 | 5:20:33 | |
Will she instigate that much-needed
policy review to see how we can do | 5:20:40 | 5:20:45 | |
much better as a country to support
terrorist? -- carers. Many families | 5:20:45 | 5:20:53 | |
are already living on the edge. They
are struggling to cope with the | 5:20:53 | 5:20:57 | |
needs of their loved one but they
have no intention to hand them over | 5:20:57 | 5:21:01 | |
to the state. But they really need
is a comprehensive rest by care | 5:21:01 | 5:21:05 | |
service to give them a little of
their own time and space. We as a | 5:21:05 | 5:21:09 | |
nation owed them no less. Doctor
Paul Williams. Thank you Madam | 5:21:09 | 5:21:18 | |
Deputy Speaker and I congratulate my
honourable friend, the Member for a | 5:21:18 | 5:21:22 | |
Stockton North for securing this
debate. I also congratulate my | 5:21:22 | 5:21:26 | |
honourable friend for his leadership
in this area and the engagement he | 5:21:26 | 5:21:29 | |
is shown both with the families but
also with the clinical commissioning | 5:21:29 | 5:21:34 | |
groups. The challenge of being a ...
I have respect and admiration for | 5:21:34 | 5:21:50 | |
the people who do this work. In my
own family, my grandmother's sister | 5:21:50 | 5:21:55 | |
quietus been working out is actually
my great-aunt has spent her lifetime | 5:21:55 | 5:22:02 | |
actually looking after several
different adults with complex needs | 5:22:02 | 5:22:05 | |
that she adopted. I've seen the
enormous amount of love and | 5:22:05 | 5:22:16 | |
compassion that it is taken from her
to do that and I've seen with all of | 5:22:16 | 5:22:21 | |
my constituents that have contacted
me around these issues into my work | 5:22:21 | 5:22:26 | |
as a GP my constituency as well, the
amount of love and compassion that | 5:22:26 | 5:22:29 | |
goes into looking after adults...
This comes at a cost. They comes | 5:22:29 | 5:22:38 | |
mainly at a cost to to their help.
Often they prioritise the needs of | 5:22:38 | 5:22:43 | |
the person they are caring for and
don't think about particularly | 5:22:43 | 5:22:50 | |
preventing their own ill health
problems or looking after their | 5:22:50 | 5:22:53 | |
problems as they arise. It also
comes at a cost in terms of time. | 5:22:53 | 5:23:01 | |
congratulate and because the money,
cost of careers, there's a cost. | 5:23:02 | 5:23:10 | |
It's very important, Madam Deputy
skier -- Mike Speaker, there's issue | 5:23:10 | 5:23:21 | |
of young carers. Lots of young care
is my constituency. Madam Speaker. | 5:23:21 | 5:23:27 | |
The work they do with elderly
people, family members is the reason | 5:23:27 | 5:23:31 | |
why those families are together. The
issue of young carers is so | 5:23:31 | 5:23:35 | |
important. How important this the...
I think the honourable gentleman for | 5:23:35 | 5:23:48 | |
highlighting the needs of young
carers and yes, in my constituency | 5:23:48 | 5:23:51 | |
as I'm sure is the same with other
is a case where the other | 5:23:51 | 5:23:58 | |
constituencies it in a house., there
are some who grow up and go want to | 5:23:58 | 5:24:03 | |
be carers and hold families
together. In the context of how | 5:24:03 | 5:24:07 | |
difficult this can be, and the
tremendous effort that people make | 5:24:07 | 5:24:12 | |
in order to keep their loved ones
well, in order to look after them, | 5:24:12 | 5:24:19 | |
the provision of occasional rest
bite is the least that we should be | 5:24:19 | 5:24:23 | |
doing as a society. To say thank you
the least we should be doing to | 5:24:23 | 5:24:31 | |
sustain incredible effort that these
people are doing. I think I | 5:24:31 | 5:24:35 | |
honourable friend, I also give some
credit to the two commission groups | 5:24:35 | 5:24:39 | |
involved. For taking some
responsibility for this. In a time | 5:24:39 | 5:24:47 | |
when we all see the constant
jostling between local authorities | 5:24:47 | 5:24:56 | |
and health services, commissioners
of health services about who should | 5:24:56 | 5:25:00 | |
fund these issues at a time of
austerity, I think that our CCG has | 5:25:00 | 5:25:05 | |
stepped up to the plate and took on
responsibilities funding these | 5:25:05 | 5:25:11 | |
issues. But, a number of
constituents have also contacted me | 5:25:11 | 5:25:18 | |
in what I can only describe as a
state of panic during these | 5:25:18 | 5:25:25 | |
consultations that have taken place,
and actually since the outcome of | 5:25:25 | 5:25:29 | |
the of the consultations was
announced. They are fearful that | 5:25:29 | 5:25:33 | |
their much-needed breaks are going
to be taken away from them. As my | 5:25:33 | 5:25:37 | |
honourable friend has pointed out,
fears may well prove to be | 5:25:37 | 5:25:43 | |
ill-founded but it should not mean
they should be discounted. I think | 5:25:43 | 5:25:46 | |
that change is always difficult for
people, but to have the possibility | 5:25:46 | 5:25:53 | |
of services being cut has cost it
genuine anxiety for these people. | 5:25:53 | 5:25:57 | |
It's an anxiety that we should
rightly be recognising. We all know | 5:25:57 | 5:26:02 | |
that caring can be physically
demanding, it can also be mentally | 5:26:02 | 5:26:08 | |
demanding. Especially for long
periods of time. It's my opinion | 5:26:08 | 5:26:14 | |
that added respite is absolutely
essential for these carers. If the | 5:26:14 | 5:26:19 | |
are to maintain their own health and
well-being. It's also absolutely | 5:26:19 | 5:26:24 | |
essential that carers are involved
in any decisions about what is | 5:26:24 | 5:26:31 | |
adequate and appropriate matches for
their family members, but also for | 5:26:31 | 5:26:35 | |
the carers themselves. And a respite
package as was pointed out, is a | 5:26:35 | 5:26:41 | |
package that should be designed
around the needs of the whole | 5:26:41 | 5:26:44 | |
family, not just around the needs of
the individual with complex needs. | 5:26:44 | 5:26:47 | |
What we are seeing though, is that
limited funding, whether or not. I | 5:26:47 | 5:26:54 | |
don't know whether this is ring
fenced, or taken from an overall | 5:26:54 | 5:27:01 | |
pot, but there is limited funding,
the respite have -- Mike CCG... To | 5:27:01 | 5:27:09 | |
demand his outs dripping -- rank
outstripping the resources. Limited | 5:27:09 | 5:27:16 | |
funding and rising need for this
particular kind of care is meaning | 5:27:16 | 5:27:19 | |
that some people, packages are care
are likely to be reduced. That is | 5:27:19 | 5:27:25 | |
causing significant anxiety to
people. Adding another point that I | 5:27:25 | 5:27:29 | |
would like to make before finishes
that are experienced is illustrating | 5:27:29 | 5:27:37 | |
the health and social care don't
exist in isolation from it each | 5:27:37 | 5:27:39 | |
other. There have been some small
steps taken in changing the name of | 5:27:39 | 5:27:46 | |
the Department of Health Department
of Health and social care, but this | 5:27:46 | 5:27:50 | |
is a really good example to others
should be, could be some really | 5:27:50 | 5:27:55 | |
concrete steps to bring the funding
together. There should be a | 5:27:55 | 5:28:00 | |
partnership between local
authorities and commissioning | 5:28:00 | 5:28:03 | |
grooves, parents, carers and people
with complex needs in order to work | 5:28:03 | 5:28:06 | |
together. This is an area where we
should be seeing integration at its | 5:28:06 | 5:28:10 | |
best. I think if we are talking
about integration, I have to take | 5:28:10 | 5:28:16 | |
the opportunity to talk about the
green paper, the forthcoming green | 5:28:16 | 5:28:19 | |
paper on social care and say that it
is inconceivable for me that we | 5:28:19 | 5:28:27 | |
should, in 2018, be considering
social care and isolation and asked | 5:28:27 | 5:28:32 | |
the Department of Health and social
care at the thing whether or not | 5:28:32 | 5:28:36 | |
this should be a green paper on the
future of care and social care and | 5:28:36 | 5:28:39 | |
social together rather than just
considering social care in | 5:28:39 | 5:28:44 | |
isolation. So I and by paying
tribute to the carers who have come | 5:28:44 | 5:28:48 | |
together in this case the fight for
the very best services for their | 5:28:48 | 5:28:53 | |
loved ones. They deserve for us to
listen, these are for us to | 5:28:53 | 5:28:58 | |
consider, as it is there for us to
act. So that the gap the respite | 5:28:58 | 5:29:04 | |
that the deserve for themselves and
their families. Like you Madam | 5:29:04 | 5:29:11 | |
Deputy Speaker I would like to
wholeheartedly congratulate my right | 5:29:11 | 5:29:14 | |
honourable friend for securities
debate. It's of crucial importance | 5:29:14 | 5:29:17 | |
for some of the people who face
these crucial challenges in their | 5:29:17 | 5:29:23 | |
lives. It's a nice debate, it's
extremely important and they're | 5:29:23 | 5:29:27 | |
grateful for it to be brought
forward. And to speak this evening. | 5:29:27 | 5:29:31 | |
I am particularly keen to speed
because the very first surgery I had | 5:29:31 | 5:29:36 | |
after it was elected three years
ago, the first people came to see me | 5:29:36 | 5:29:40 | |
were some carers and had disabled
adults in severe needs who were | 5:29:40 | 5:29:45 | |
shocked to hear, not considered by
themselves or the quality of care, | 5:29:45 | 5:29:54 | |
there were concerned about the
well-being of the staff and the | 5:29:54 | 5:29:58 | |
carers and those who look after her.
The lack of payment, low-paid, the | 5:29:58 | 5:30:03 | |
insecure nature of the work. I just
want to use this opportunity will be | 5:30:03 | 5:30:09 | |
having this debate to raise the
floor of the houses we look ahead to | 5:30:09 | 5:30:12 | |
the care green paper, that those who
work in the sector are so | 5:30:12 | 5:30:17 | |
fundamental to the care that is
needed by those vulnerable families. | 5:30:17 | 5:30:20 | |
If we don't look after them, we
can't expect to these families to | 5:30:20 | 5:30:26 | |
get the care they deserve. I also
want to mention briefly as well, the | 5:30:26 | 5:30:31 | |
other point I was May, young carers.
These voices are just not her it's a | 5:30:31 | 5:30:36 | |
busy fantastic charity can't my
charity of the year. It doesn't then | 5:30:36 | 5:30:42 | |
passed the job of supporting young
people who are trying to manage care | 5:30:42 | 5:30:45 | |
for members of their family who are
they are losing part of their | 5:30:45 | 5:30:50 | |
childhood in order to do so. People
are falling through the cracks, | 5:30:50 | 5:30:56 | |
really is a provision. Let's pay
tribute to all of those, the | 5:30:56 | 5:31:03 | |
charges, a state organisation
supporting young people. It ended | 5:31:03 | 5:31:06 | |
this issue in particular. I want to
focus their briefly on what it means | 5:31:06 | 5:31:11 | |
to the people of my constituency.
They're very beneficial to people | 5:31:11 | 5:31:20 | |
with learning needs. My disability.
They are a valuable lifeline to | 5:31:20 | 5:31:25 | |
family members who are working 20 47
caring for their members. It is | 5:31:25 | 5:31:29 | |
difficult for any of us to imagine
having to give a family member 20 | 5:31:29 | 5:31:34 | |
47, someone has high high needs.
Extremely care packages, care plans, | 5:31:34 | 5:31:41 | |
for years and decades even to
support that family member. Maybe do | 5:31:41 | 5:31:45 | |
through their love we owe them
attribute to them and all to them | 5:31:45 | 5:31:53 | |
that stay provisions... The
consultation was very worrying. It | 5:31:53 | 5:31:59 | |
was overwhelmingly in support of
continuation of bed respite care. It | 5:31:59 | 5:32:08 | |
is overwhelmingly clear that people
want to make sure that respite is | 5:32:08 | 5:32:11 | |
still available. Some in my
constituency contacted me and was | 5:32:11 | 5:32:18 | |
very concerned about support, to
have a 15-year-old son, he requires | 5:32:18 | 5:32:25 | |
lasting care and she is concerned
about how people cope if the service | 5:32:25 | 5:32:29 | |
provided is. The reliability and
consistency of care is one of the | 5:32:29 | 5:32:35 | |
more most important reasons why it
is preferred by some disabled people | 5:32:35 | 5:32:40 | |
and their families. The biggest
issue around this is the insecurity | 5:32:40 | 5:32:47 | |
and disruption, and has a real
knock-down effect on people in their | 5:32:47 | 5:32:50 | |
lives. The reality is that services
are still going to be cut back. A | 5:32:50 | 5:33:03 | |
cut on spending on respite care, by
the local CCG, will inevitably | 5:33:03 | 5:33:08 | |
restrict services. There will be few
and active care, fewer people. This | 5:33:08 | 5:33:13 | |
is a decision we have to make. But
if someone has a need for care, the | 5:33:13 | 5:33:18 | |
CCG was to be able to provide it.
Does that mean that more cuts will | 5:33:18 | 5:33:25 | |
be made elsewhere to compensate. GP
care services are seen, I'm afraid, | 5:33:25 | 5:33:36 | |
as low hanging fruit. By the side to
save money. It I was surprised to | 5:33:36 | 5:33:49 | |
read about a case where a cut of
£600,000 to children with conflict | 5:33:49 | 5:33:55 | |
means had been proposed. There are
legal count challenges. | 5:33:55 | 5:34:09 | |
Respite care is an important part of
our social care system which already | 5:34:10 | 5:34:13 | |
relies on hundreds of thousands
unpaid family carers across the UK | 5:34:13 | 5:34:17 | |
who give of their lives to do so.
Cutting the services were placed | 5:34:17 | 5:34:21 | |
even more pressure on those trying
to do right by their loved ones. | 5:34:21 | 5:34:28 | |
Thank you Madam Deputy Speaker I am
very honourable to the -- and very | 5:34:28 | 5:34:35 | |
grateful to the honourable member
for raising this concern. And indeed | 5:34:35 | 5:34:38 | |
to his honourable colleague. And for
the very powerful language, very | 5:34:38 | 5:34:48 | |
justifiable concerns of their
constituents. I think whenever there | 5:34:48 | 5:34:53 | |
is an almond of change, people have
a tendency to feel concern and it's | 5:34:53 | 5:34:59 | |
absolutely right that there is fair
concern to be articulated. Because | 5:34:59 | 5:35:04 | |
supporting the Muslim ball in
arsenate -- society, those with | 5:35:04 | 5:35:08 | |
autism, learning disabilities --
autism health and social care | 5:35:08 | 5:35:17 | |
commissioners face. It's a task that
must be undertaken with a genuine | 5:35:17 | 5:35:22 | |
desire Madam Deputy Speaker, to
their best outcome for not only | 5:35:22 | 5:35:28 | |
those who are supported but those
who care for them. It's very | 5:35:28 | 5:35:30 | |
important to remember that much of
the services were are discussing | 5:35:30 | 5:35:35 | |
today are focused on people with
autism and learning disabilities. | 5:35:35 | 5:35:41 | |
Conditions which can manifest
different requirements. It may need | 5:35:41 | 5:35:45 | |
care and help ranging from routine,
or sometimes more than one person at | 5:35:45 | 5:35:54 | |
a time. There are mandate, there is
a very clear objective to improve | 5:35:54 | 5:36:02 | |
outcomes of people with autism or
learning disabilities. This means | 5:36:02 | 5:36:05 | |
that you are fully supported in the
community, hospital admissions are | 5:36:05 | 5:36:12 | |
reduced, and to have an opportunity
to live normal life. Building | 5:36:12 | 5:36:18 | |
concerted action to deliver that
community support. We know that | 5:36:18 | 5:36:28 | |
respite services are really
important and significant element | 5:36:28 | 5:36:36 | |
anomaly for the individual receiving
care but also their families and | 5:36:36 | 5:36:38 | |
carers. As my honourable members
have expressed were proffered. -- | 5:36:38 | 5:36:56 | |
family care plays an important role,
very valuable role. Often | 5:36:56 | 5:37:02 | |
undervalued role. Often they do it
out of not a sense of duty, sense of | 5:37:02 | 5:37:07 | |
compassion, at a sense of pure love.
And he deserves nothing more than on | 5:37:07 | 5:37:14 | |
unbridled thanks and respect. You
asked me about what we're doing | 5:37:14 | 5:37:17 | |
support parents. Of course there
will be added several part of the | 5:37:17 | 5:37:24 | |
Government's green paper. Also we
have, at carers action plan which | 5:37:24 | 5:37:31 | |
will also sets out, and I feel
passionately about which will set | 5:37:31 | 5:37:34 | |
out some short-term... Now we | 5:37:34 | 5:37:50 | |
Is this clue the Minister gets this.
The issue is this is about resources | 5:37:50 | 5:37:55 | |
well. I'm concerned about the
current problem we have on Teesside | 5:37:55 | 5:38:00 | |
but in the longer term... They were
children who would never have | 5:38:00 | 5:38:10 | |
survived in previous generations.
They are coming to the system and | 5:38:10 | 5:38:13 | |
they would eat more and more
service. War and more people are | 5:38:13 | 5:38:18 | |
going from children to adults.
What's the Government doing about | 5:38:18 | 5:38:24 | |
that in terms of longer-term
lending? He articulates real issue | 5:38:24 | 5:38:30 | |
that we have to contend with and
since 2010 that's why we have | 5:38:30 | 5:38:34 | |
increased NHS spending every single
year and our NHS has now £30 billion | 5:38:34 | 5:38:40 | |
more to spend on caring for people
than it did in 2010. He goes to the | 5:38:40 | 5:38:44 | |
heart of the issue he is identified
that we need to make sure our care | 5:38:44 | 5:38:51 | |
is responsive to the needs of
individuals. That implies both a | 5:38:51 | 5:38:58 | |
need to assess and determine what is
the right kind of support, the need | 5:38:58 | 5:39:02 | |
for flexibility to allow for
personal choice as I believe is | 5:39:02 | 5:39:07 | |
being looked in Teesside some needs
may be best met through a sustained | 5:39:07 | 5:39:12 | |
and suitable service, providing
overnight beds as he's articulated, | 5:39:12 | 5:39:18 | |
providing properly trained staff but
this may not be true for everybody. | 5:39:18 | 5:39:21 | |
Those with a severe physical or
learning disabilities may find | 5:39:21 | 5:39:24 | |
something in the community is more
desirable for them and more | 5:39:24 | 5:39:27 | |
appropriate for them. For example, a
leisure activity, a visit, even | 5:39:27 | 5:39:35 | |
visiting family members with the
right personal support. We don't | 5:39:35 | 5:39:38 | |
want these opportunities to be
ridden off for them because we have | 5:39:38 | 5:39:42 | |
a very restrictive system. That's
why it's right that commissioners | 5:39:42 | 5:39:48 | |
have the means to seek new
approaches and be flexible in how | 5:39:48 | 5:39:51 | |
they meet peoples needs. Understand
the intention and our Teesside is | 5:39:51 | 5:39:56 | |
exactly that. MSP based on suitable
engagement to assess what peoples | 5:39:56 | 5:40:01 | |
individual needs are. Listening to
the Commons from honourable members | 5:40:01 | 5:40:06 | |
today, I appreciate members concerns
that not everyone can currently | 5:40:06 | 5:40:09 | |
access rest bite services and that
they may not be flexible enough. | 5:40:09 | 5:40:14 | |
That's why local commissioners are
rightly looking to change their | 5:40:14 | 5:40:17 | |
provision. The honourable member why
understand that it's not customary | 5:40:17 | 5:40:21 | |
for a Minister to comment on detail
in specific commissioning decisions | 5:40:21 | 5:40:24 | |
or and extent to which there was
appropriate consultation. Unless | 5:40:24 | 5:40:31 | |
that's part of a formal review
process. I understand the local is | 5:40:31 | 5:40:36 | |
consulted on these proposals for ten
weeks and are now in the process of | 5:40:36 | 5:40:40 | |
designing a service. Does the
Minister understand that the people | 5:40:40 | 5:40:44 | |
in Teesside, this ECG having
knowledge they need more people in | 5:40:44 | 5:40:52 | |
the system so it will be a service
diluted. The she recognised back? | 5:40:52 | 5:40:56 | |
Having recognised it, what can she
do about it? As I've already | 5:40:56 | 5:41:02 | |
articulated, it's up to them to
commission the local services they | 5:41:02 | 5:41:06 | |
feel are appropriate in their local
communities. It's not for government | 5:41:06 | 5:41:09 | |
to force a top-down Dick not on how
they need to spend their resources. | 5:41:09 | 5:41:14 | |
I understand the local councils are
quite rightly scrutinising the | 5:41:14 | 5:41:22 | |
proposals and this is an important
means of quality assurance. It's | 5:41:22 | 5:41:27 | |
informed by local people with local
knowledge and I hope you will find | 5:41:27 | 5:41:30 | |
some reassurance and that. While
it's right that service | 5:41:30 | 5:41:36 | |
configurations are considered
locally and not being driven from | 5:41:36 | 5:41:39 | |
the top-down, any significant
changes to the services are subject | 5:41:39 | 5:41:42 | |
to governments for tests and is that
they demonstrate support for | 5:41:42 | 5:41:46 | |
clinical commissioners, strengthen
public and patient engagement, | 5:41:46 | 5:41:50 | |
clarity and criminal Tony Mike
medical evidence base and support | 5:41:50 | 5:41:53 | |
for patient choice. There are a very
clear set of expectations and | 5:41:53 | 5:41:59 | |
relation to that provision oppressed
by care and the of commissioners. | 5:41:59 | 5:42:04 | |
All clinical commissioning groups
must secure services to meet the | 5:42:04 | 5:42:09 | |
needs of their population. Rest by
care may be routinely commissioned | 5:42:09 | 5:42:14 | |
or made available as part of a
package of NHS continuing health | 5:42:14 | 5:42:18 | |
care and it's often also provided as
part of social care. The care act | 5:42:18 | 5:42:23 | |
2014 requires that where an adult
appears to have support needs, the | 5:42:23 | 5:42:29 | |
local authority must carry out an
assessment and meet any need where | 5:42:29 | 5:42:32 | |
the person has met the eligibility
criteria. The Minister has been | 5:42:32 | 5:42:37 | |
generous and giving me the Mac way
to me several times. The scrutiny | 5:42:37 | 5:42:44 | |
groups on Teesside, at least some of
them are thinking of referring the | 5:42:44 | 5:42:47 | |
matter to the Secretary of State.
What happens when Bettis referred | 5:42:47 | 5:42:51 | |
and then what can the Government do?
That of course will be a matter for | 5:42:51 | 5:43:02 | |
the Secretary of State and he will
deal with it in the appropriate way. | 5:43:02 | 5:43:06 | |
They care act also requires local
authorities to take a preventative | 5:43:06 | 5:43:13 | |
approach to addressing peoples
needs, both taking steps early to | 5:43:13 | 5:43:17 | |
prevent or delay any worsening of an
adults need for care and support. | 5:43:17 | 5:43:21 | |
This would include... It's really
important allowing them to take the | 5:43:21 | 5:43:28 | |
rest bite that we have spoken about.
He might be interested to know that | 5:43:28 | 5:43:35 | |
the autism act 2009 also requires
the Government driver regularly | 5:43:35 | 5:43:39 | |
reviewed autism strategy and issue
guidance to local authorities and | 5:43:39 | 5:43:43 | |
NHS bodies and foundation trusts. In
addition, the children's and family | 5:43:43 | 5:43:48 | |
act of 2014 introduced a new
framework for children with special | 5:43:48 | 5:43:53 | |
educational needs and disabilities
which give commissioners very clear | 5:43:53 | 5:43:58 | |
responsibilities towards those with
learning disability and autism or | 5:43:58 | 5:44:02 | |
those who may be affected in the
review in Teesside. You're been | 5:44:02 | 5:44:08 | |
generous in doing so. The Minister
referred to autism in particular. I | 5:44:08 | 5:44:13 | |
think all of us here will have her
knowledge of autism. The Minister | 5:44:13 | 5:44:19 | |
will be aware that in Northern
Ireland we have in autism strategy | 5:44:19 | 5:44:25 | |
and there is a very good strategy.
As the Minister had a chance to | 5:44:25 | 5:44:29 | |
check those other strategies? I
haven't but now that the honourable | 5:44:29 | 5:44:39 | |
gentleman has recommended it to me I
certainly will look into that. It's | 5:44:39 | 5:44:46 | |
really important that commissioners
have that prerogative to make a | 5:44:46 | 5:44:50 | |
local determination of what
constitutes the right services and | 5:44:50 | 5:44:53 | |
we have set clear expectations for
health and social care in how it | 5:44:53 | 5:44:56 | |
meets peoples need for support and
family needs for rest bite. We can't | 5:44:56 | 5:45:02 | |
close the gap between the outcomes
for those were most vulnerable and | 5:45:02 | 5:45:06 | |
those with complex needs but a has
to be via a competition as a | 5:45:06 | 5:45:11 | |
national expectations alongside a
local approach to delivering the | 5:45:11 | 5:45:13 | |
necessary services. The NHS has a
responsibility to ensure that people | 5:45:13 | 5:45:18 | |
have access to the best and safest
health care possible and this means | 5:45:18 | 5:45:22 | |
and must plan ahead and look at how
best to secure safe and sustainable | 5:45:22 | 5:45:27 | |
NHS health care provision and
provide flexible approaches to meet | 5:45:27 | 5:45:29 | |
the widest range of needs. That's
what we are hopeful to see in action | 5:45:29 | 5:45:32 | |
here in Teesside. I know that any
change to local services for | 5:45:32 | 5:45:36 | |
vulnerable people must be cleared
with that degree of apprehension and | 5:45:36 | 5:45:41 | |
I understand that. Considering the
assurances given locally by | 5:45:41 | 5:45:45 | |
commissioners and the process they
have undertaken and the overall aim | 5:45:45 | 5:45:48 | |
of providing a more flexible set of
options for rest bite that moves | 5:45:48 | 5:45:52 | |
away from a very medical way of
care, I'm hopeful these changes will | 5:45:52 | 5:45:55 | |
be of benefit to the people who most
need their services. The question is | 5:45:55 | 5:46:03 | |
that this House to adjourn. Many of
that opinion say, I. The iPods might | 5:46:03 | 5:46:10 | |
have order, order. | 5:46:10 | 5:46:12 | |
-- the I's have it. We will not be
going live | 5:46:16 | 5:46:24 |