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Hello, generations of children grew up reading Ladybird books and | :00:02. | :00:12. | |
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tonight we're in Loughborough where the story all began. They were the | :00:14. | :00:18. | |
books that inspired millions of children. There's something about | :00:18. | :00:23. | |
them that draws you in. They are pictures in the art work. They wish | :00:23. | :00:28. | |
you through the years. Little by little, your shelves get full of | :00:28. | :00:38. | |
books. We tracked down a man that started it all. Also tonight: They | :00:38. | :00:46. | |
called it the street of shame. have had everything next to me. | :00:46. | :00:53. | |
Prostitutes, all the doors have been taken off the hinges. | :00:53. | :01:03. | |
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When the people of Pleasley Hill heard their community was going to | :01:23. | :01:26. | |
be regenerated, they imagined a fresh start after years of neglect. | :01:26. | :01:29. | |
But nearly a decade later, they're still waiting. For the last 12 | :01:29. | :01:32. | |
months, Stuart Woodman has been finding out what life's been like | :01:32. | :01:41. | |
for the people who chose to stay while others moved out. This is | :01:41. | :01:51. | |
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Nottinghamshire and the outskirts of Mansfield. Once a thriving pit | :01:51. | :01:54. | |
village, Pleasley Hill was a purpose built community serving the | :01:54. | :01:56. | |
local mine. With neat rows of terraces it changed very little for | :01:57. | :02:00. | |
the best part of 100 years. A place where families took pride in their | :02:00. | :02:04. | |
homes. But in 1983 things changed. The pit closed and the village's | :02:04. | :02:07. | |
fortunes changed. Gradually the area became notorious for drugs, | :02:07. | :02:11. | |
deprivation and anti-social behaviour. So in a radical decision | :02:11. | :02:14. | |
which would change the village forever, they brought in the | :02:14. | :02:24. | |
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If the village had been left as it was and not used as a containment | :02:30. | :02:35. | |
career for druggies and every other bad person that they didn't want in | :02:35. | :02:42. | |
that area and shovel it into this area, it would still be great. | :02:42. | :02:47. | |
There is nothing wrong with the houses. Some of them are damp but | :02:47. | :02:52. | |
it is the people that don't look after them. I have had everyone | :02:52. | :02:58. | |
looking -- living next to me. A prostitute cum heavy rockers, they | :02:58. | :03:08. | |
took all the floorboards of. What can you do? | :03:08. | :03:12. | |
Pulling down these terraces would mean the death for a community | :03:12. | :03:21. | |
already on the brink. Over the last year, we have been meeting the | :03:21. | :03:31. | |
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people who call this area home. If you were determined to stay. | :03:38. | :03:44. | |
didn't want to complain about it. It would bring more trouble on to | :03:44. | :03:54. | |
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your doorstep. This part is completely dead. Despite everything, | :03:55. | :04:00. | |
and Richard wants to stay. He lives on one of the streets that is to be | :04:00. | :04:06. | |
saved. I am meeting to other families who have had enough and | :04:06. | :04:16. | |
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, we are looking for a property to buy. -- at the moment, we are | :04:23. | :04:29. | |
looking for property to buy. We have never been informed what is | :04:29. | :04:35. | |
being built, just what is coming down. We are forgotten people. | :04:35. | :04:41. | |
are you moving out? We have no idea, we haven't found anywhere. It has | :04:41. | :04:46. | |
to be in the next three months. We will be gone and then there is | :04:46. | :04:54. | |
another empty one. Sad to go? I would be if I have still got my | :04:54. | :04:59. | |
neighbours and the people when I moved in here. Who wants to live in | :04:59. | :05:05. | |
a place like this? I am ready to get out. Linda, we have caught you | :05:05. | :05:11. | |
packing. You have been here 60 years. It must be a big wrench. | :05:11. | :05:16. | |
is. We don't want to leave but we have no choice. Nobody wanted to | :05:16. | :05:23. | |
know. We have no choice, we have to go. Do you no longer feel safe | :05:23. | :05:29. | |
living here? Not anymore. Last summer, there was fighting with | :05:29. | :05:33. | |
baseball bats and hatchets. There was blood everywhere and it is not | :05:33. | :05:42. | |
right. It is a sad end to the place. All the old miners who lived here | :05:42. | :05:52. | |
for nothing. It is all gone. Residents say it talk of | :05:52. | :06:02. | |
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regeneration is nothing new.. Mansfield District Council claims | :06:05. | :06:08. | |
to be spending around a million on clearance and improvement. Plans | :06:08. | :06:12. | |
include 900 quality homes, shops, a pub, even a hotel. But it all seems | :06:12. | :06:16. | |
a long way off and some people have got tired of waiting. I'm meeting a | :06:16. | :06:20. | |
man behind a controversial website. Mark Jones has been asking | :06:20. | :06:26. | |
questions about these plans and the plight of the village. Do you think | :06:26. | :06:31. | |
the people and the place became stigmatised? There were times when | :06:31. | :06:36. | |
I was at college and people were looked down again. They were seen | :06:36. | :06:42. | |
as a deity area and people would laugh at accent, as well. -- dirty | :06:42. | :06:46. | |
area. Waugh was the relationship like with the council and the | :06:46. | :06:54. | |
Mayor? We didn't see him around here. As far as the of way the | :06:54. | :06:57. | |
people felt towards the council, it was very heated. People were very | :06:57. | :07:06. | |
angry. You started a bloggers and it was very critical of the council. | :07:06. | :07:12. | |
I didn't know what was going on. There wasn't any way of getting | :07:12. | :07:17. | |
information from the people. They would never get any answers. I | :07:17. | :07:22. | |
thought it was the only way I could get anything moving forward. Within | :07:22. | :07:28. | |
a year, they started to knock the place down. Two years later, it is | :07:28. | :07:33. | |
still knocked down. Does this embarrassment kick-start some | :07:33. | :07:39. | |
action? It could have happened anyway. It is a coincidence that it | :07:39. | :07:49. | |
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will happen in one go. Barker wrote his last block it two | :07:51. | :07:56. | |
years ago after he decided to move away and his home was torn down. | :07:56. | :08:01. | |
For those determined to stay put in a struggling community, they are | :08:01. | :08:07. | |
angry at the slow progress of improvement. | :08:07. | :08:13. | |
All the decent people that were here, they would help anyone. They | :08:13. | :08:17. | |
have all moved to different areas. The whole community has been split | :08:17. | :08:22. | |
up. It is like getting a handful of pebbles on the beach and throwing | :08:22. | :08:27. | |
them. They have gone here and everywhere. It is what has been | :08:27. | :08:33. | |
done to the village that has made it the Street of shame. People have | :08:33. | :08:39. | |
lived here all their lives. They don't want to move. They want to | :08:39. | :08:46. | |
stay. It is not good. Not good at all. If they are going to do these | :08:46. | :08:51. | |
things, they should look at what people want. OK, it would be nice | :08:51. | :08:54. | |
to have a new area but it shouldn't take all these years to get round | :08:54. | :09:02. | |
to doing yet, should it? This is a vanishing village. Some say and I | :09:02. | :09:05. | |
sought no more. Some say it Nottingham's poorest people were | :09:05. | :09:11. | |
neglected, ignored and moved on to make way for private development. | :09:11. | :09:15. | |
Tony Egginton, the elected Mayor of Mansfield, has agreed to meet me. I | :09:15. | :09:18. | |
wanted to put the people's concerns to the man ultimately in charge of | :09:18. | :09:27. | |
this village's future. Before the pit shut come this was a thriving | :09:27. | :09:32. | |
village. It is a wonderful community, bags of community spirit | :09:32. | :09:37. | |
but when the pits closed, the Coal Board summer properties. Quite a | :09:37. | :09:45. | |
few people did access finance and purchase properties. Some went to | :09:45. | :09:53. | |
rogue landlords. Things have taken a turn for the worst. It has | :09:53. | :09:58. | |
declined. We would have hoped to have brought this on it sooner than | :09:58. | :10:04. | |
we had. The local paper quotes you saying they promised local | :10:04. | :10:07. | |
residents that work on a housing estate would begin in the next 18 | :10:07. | :10:13. | |
months. That is eight years ago. What has happened? It is the | :10:13. | :10:19. | |
industry. The construction industry, the bottom went out of it. To get | :10:19. | :10:23. | |
developers interested has been a hell of a job. Now we are here and | :10:23. | :10:28. | |
ready to go. We have a contractor in place and hopefully we will be | :10:28. | :10:33. | |
on site in the next year. It is not just a low priority for the | :10:33. | :10:39. | |
district council? It has been a high priority. This is my last term | :10:39. | :10:43. | |
of office and a legacy I want to leave behind. I will be happy to | :10:43. | :10:48. | |
say I have enabled this to happen and it will be a proud place for me | :10:48. | :10:57. | |
to come to for the remainder of my life. | :10:57. | :11:02. | |
Tony has two years to achieve his legacy. After demolition is don't | :11:02. | :11:06. | |
come up won a short row of terraces is all that will remain, an island | :11:06. | :11:11. | |
in the middle of hundreds of new homes, built on farmers' fields and | :11:11. | :11:21. | |
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the past. Barry has been offered one of few | :11:25. | :11:28. | |
houses not being bulldozed. His nearest neighbours, Linda Grubey | :11:28. | :11:38. | |
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and Paul Johnson, finally did a deal with the council. They could | :11:39. | :11:47. | |
afford a modest home closer to Mansfield. I am settled again. I am | :11:47. | :11:53. | |
somewhere that I don't have to worry about anything. I just have | :11:53. | :12:01. | |
to get on with my life. You had to fight for compensation, didn't you? | :12:01. | :12:07. | |
We had to fight for a decent amount of money. What they offered you the | :12:07. | :12:11. | |
first time, you couldn't have bought a one-bedroomed house. That | :12:12. | :12:18. | |
is all we want, somewhere to live for the rest of row years and | :12:18. | :12:28. | |
hopefully I have caught it. -- -- And all the residents have since | :12:28. | :12:31. | |
moved out of Pleasley Hill and demolition will be finished in the | :12:31. | :12:40. | |
The Ladybird books we all know and love were published on this street | :12:40. | :12:43. | |
right here in Loughborough. Books like this one certainly helped | :12:43. | :12:45. | |
millions of us to read, including me! Printers, Wills and Hepworth, | :12:45. | :12:48. | |
had been producing things like car catalogues but that all changed | :12:48. | :12:52. | |
with an idea from one of their own sales team and to think, they | :12:52. | :13:02. | |
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weren't even interested at first! The television set is familiar | :13:05. | :13:10. | |
through homes throughout the world. Many boys like to play football. | :13:10. | :13:13. | |
Everyone in England knows that the Fifth of November is Bonfire Night. | :13:13. | :13:17. | |
If you were young in the '60s and '70s, you'll remember these. But | :13:17. | :13:27. | |
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the man who had the idea was ignored for years. I can remember | :13:28. | :13:33. | |
my father going round worried that it wouldn't work. The gamble was | :13:33. | :13:42. | |
launching the reading scheme featuring Peter and Jane. It is | :13:42. | :13:45. | |
still alive and well, Peter and Jane are still teaching many to | :13:45. | :13:49. | |
read every year. The Ladybird factory has gone but they will | :13:49. | :13:51. | |
forever be linked with Loughborough in Leicestershire. The tales are | :13:51. | :13:57. | |
still being told. The rest of the crew were in the rowing boat! | :13:57. | :14:00. | |
There's also a big market in Ladybird nostalgia and a new way of | :14:00. | :14:08. | |
telling the stories. Can you see the Tiger? It takes you back, | :14:08. | :14:14. | |
details in the art work which put you through the years. Everybody in | :14:14. | :14:21. | |
this country will have come across It all began in this Derbyshire | :14:21. | :14:29. | |
market town. A commercial salesman called Douglas Keen had a big idea. | :14:29. | :14:32. | |
He lived in Heanor with his wife and mother-in-law and enrolled them | :14:33. | :14:40. | |
both into his plan. My father had the idea there of doing educational | :14:40. | :14:44. | |
books for children. They were the sort of thing that adults could use | :14:44. | :14:48. | |
as well. These would be stories to capture every child's imagination | :14:48. | :14:53. | |
about the world they lived in. Books unlike the Ladybird | :14:53. | :14:55. | |
children's books Wills and Hepworth churned out in Loughborough during | :14:55. | :15:05. | |
wartime to keep the printers busy when commercial work fell away. | :15:05. | :15:12. | |
did and -- he was not making them until the 1940s, and then they | :15:13. | :15:16. | |
decided to make some books to keep things going until the end of the | :15:16. | :15:20. | |
war. But Douglas Keen's plan for the Ladybird brand was slapped down. | :15:20. | :15:30. | |
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They told him to go away and This was from the accountant, Jim | :15:34. | :15:40. | |
Clegg. "it is not anticipated that book will form a major part of our | :15:40. | :15:42. | |
turnover after the ceasefire has been sounded and while not wishing | :15:42. | :15:46. | |
to discourage your interest in books, it would be wiser to focus | :15:46. | :15:49. | |
your interest on the commercial side are printed, the car market, | :15:49. | :15:54. | |
for example". A Douglas Keen was not easily put off. He made use of | :15:55. | :15:57. | |
his mother-in-law's ability at art. She'd studied at art school in | :15:57. | :16:07. | |
Derby and put together a prototype He was going around thinking this | :16:07. | :16:10. | |
was the right thing to do, to convince them? And this came about? | :16:10. | :16:15. | |
Yes. This is the prototype he put together to convince the directors. | :16:16. | :16:20. | |
My father had a lot of books on beds so I imagine he sorted out the | :16:20. | :16:25. | |
format and gave the her a picture to work from. My mother did the | :16:25. | :16:28. | |
little black and white illustrations of the nests and the | :16:28. | :16:33. | |
eggs and the setting for the nest, and my father wrote the text. | :16:33. | :16:39. | |
hard work paid off. Wills and Hepworth changed their tune. "I | :16:39. | :16:43. | |
must say at first that however lukewarm up my suggestion was two | :16:43. | :16:51. | |
years ago, I am now 100% in favour of publishing this book". As you | :16:51. | :16:59. | |
can see, it looked for all intents and purposes remarkably similar. | :16:59. | :17:03. | |
The start off getting a book and you think, I remember that, and | :17:03. | :17:07. | |
then you think I would like to collect the set. Ladybird books | :17:07. | :17:17. | |
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come in numbered sets so a bit of you liked ticking boxes. Helen Day | :17:19. | :17:23. | |
has ticked every box. She has the lot. A love of books generated from | :17:23. | :17:26. | |
learning from them and remembering them. She still has one from her | :17:26. | :17:32. | |
childhood among the collection. can look at one of the pictures | :17:32. | :17:38. | |
today, and remember looking at that so deeply as a child. Long before | :17:38. | :17:43. | |
the Romans conquered Britain, men have lived in these islands for | :17:43. | :17:52. | |
hundreds of years. adequate policemen are on duty day and night. | :17:52. | :18:00. | |
Some people were often attacked by Helen also has a collection of | :18:00. | :18:04. | |
original art from some of the books. The artwork in the '60s and '70s is | :18:04. | :18:07. | |
what made the books stand out. From his new family home in Stratford, | :18:07. | :18:14. | |
Douglas Keen commissioned the artists himself. They were quite | :18:14. | :18:18. | |
exotic for the 1950s. John Berry, for example, smoked and had been | :18:18. | :18:22. | |
divorced and had a sports car. It was all rather exotic. One of the | :18:22. | :18:24. | |
artists was Martin Aitchison who had worked for Barnes Wallis | :18:24. | :18:29. | |
sketching plans for the Dam Busters mission. Profoundly deaf since | :18:29. | :18:33. | |
youth, Martin - who is 93 - still paints. He had done work for Eagle | :18:33. | :18:43. | |
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Comics but was initially turned And so he was taken on to | :19:00. | :19:03. | |
illustrate the Ladbyird Key Words reading scheme. This was a huge | :19:03. | :19:06. | |
task based on the theory by William Murray that 12 words account for a | :19:06. | :19:16. | |
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quarter of those we use in the This is fun, says Peter. Yes, this | :19:18. | :19:25. | |
is fun, said Jane. William Murray had developed the theory of Key | :19:25. | :19:29. | |
Words and had written several books about it and I think he had one | :19:29. | :19:32. | |
unsuccessful attempt with another publisher who wanted to produce a | :19:32. | :19:36. | |
reading scheme but had fallen through. Initially he was quite | :19:36. | :19:41. | |
reluctant to try again but my father managed to convince him. | :19:41. | :19:45. | |
Apparently Douglas Keen loved a boffin, he loved people who would | :19:45. | :19:49. | |
be dedicated and got engaged in the conversations and I think William | :19:49. | :19:55. | |
Murray was quite reluctant to start Because it was a teaching set, over | :19:55. | :20:00. | |
30 new books had to be be launched at once. They piled up in the | :20:00. | :20:06. | |
warehouse and concerned staff in Loughborough. He was worried | :20:06. | :20:09. | |
because they built up so much stock and that meant things were not | :20:09. | :20:16. | |
selling and I remember him saying, they had never seen things like | :20:16. | :20:19. | |
this, and he said, this is deliberate: We need to bring up | :20:19. | :20:23. | |
this level of stock before we do it. A just imagine that Campbell and | :20:23. | :20:29. | |
looking at them. -- just imagine that gamble. To date, they've sold | :20:30. | :20:33. | |
80 million copies. They are still being used today. The artwork was | :20:33. | :20:36. | |
all created from original photographs. To make the stories | :20:36. | :20:39. | |
work, Martin Aithcison had to find his own models. He spotted Jane | :20:39. | :20:49. | |
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Sometimes fate played a hand in the People At Work was another of | :21:25. | :21:30. | |
Douglas Keen's innovations. And looking at the pictures now they | :21:30. | :21:37. | |
take you back to a different era. The illustrations pin-down this | :21:37. | :21:44. | |
sense of that time. The policeman, for example, in the People At Work | :21:44. | :21:49. | |
series, was not the Cup Lee Dixon of Dock Green, laughing policeman | :21:49. | :21:57. | |
that he would expect. Much more a guardian of society and almost an | :21:58. | :22:03. | |
anonymous figure. Even in the most bland and boring book, something | :22:03. | :22:06. | |
about the art work which made you think there was more to it than met | :22:06. | :22:16. | |
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"motor cars were first made in England just before 1,900. Apart | :22:17. | :22:24. | |
from the bodies and engines, the The popularity is undimmed. The | :22:24. | :22:27. | |
many car-related books were featured last year at the Heritage | :22:27. | :22:37. | |
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Motor Centre in Warwickshire with Even from the start, something | :22:40. | :22:44. | |
retrospective about those books. If you look at the pictures in the | :22:44. | :22:50. | |
1960s, they probably better represent the 1950s. There are | :22:50. | :22:55. | |
something inherent in nostalgia, even in Ladybird at its most keen | :22:55. | :23:00. | |
to be current. In Leicestershire, museum curators know the worth of | :23:00. | :23:08. | |
featuring the books. Ladybird was a huge part of Loughborough's working | :23:08. | :23:12. | |
life, and even social life. Thousands of people worked in | :23:12. | :23:15. | |
Ladybird in the time they were based in Loughborough. It comes | :23:15. | :23:20. | |
with the territory, that to cover major working places and also play | :23:20. | :23:24. | |
so that had an influence throughout the country because everybody of a | :23:24. | :23:29. | |
certain age is familiar with Ladybird books. And there have been | :23:29. | :23:32. | |
factual books so well written that they've been used in a practical | :23:32. | :23:42. | |
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way by adults. 10 been How It Works book about cars were used by Thames | :23:44. | :23:50. | |
Valley Police and they were going over to patrol cars and they wanted | :23:50. | :23:59. | |
officers to understand what went on Trilogy, population, rainfall and | :23:59. | :24:04. | |
land-use map. Each of the following small maps opposite gives us | :24:04. | :24:10. | |
specialised information about our country. The Understanding Maps was | :24:10. | :24:15. | |
used by the army. And How It Works: The Computer was widely used by a | :24:15. | :24:19. | |
lot of firms, in fact by IBM to tell the start about how computers | :24:19. | :24:24. | |
work. There is something about computers that is both fascinating | :24:24. | :24:28. | |
and alarming. There was a backlash though. Some said the pictures were | :24:28. | :24:37. | |
sexist and out-of-date. It began to be perceived as to roll specific. | :24:37. | :24:44. | |
The children were allocated duties based on whether they were a boy or | :24:45. | :24:47. | |
a girl. Martin Aitchison was commissioned to redraw his work in | :24:47. | :24:57. | |
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Nostalgia today means the pictures Martin painted are still popular. | :25:10. | :25:15. | |
We are still using the same illustrations so that retro feel to | :25:15. | :25:23. | |
Peter and Jane is very much as it was in the 70s when they were in | :25:23. | :25:29. | |
the street again. -- illustrated again. Ladybird presses closed in | :25:29. | :25:34. | |
Loughborough 14 years ago. They are now part of London-based Penguin. | :25:34. | :25:36. | |
Today in Loughborough's newly- refurbished library it's Ladybird | :25:36. | :25:43. | |
Live, a reading roadshow for pre- school children. It was a sad time | :25:43. | :25:48. | |
when the factory closed here in Loughborough but now the home is in | :25:48. | :25:53. | |
London for Penguin Books but we are very much enjoy a be involved in | :25:53. | :25:57. | |
the community. Douglas Keen retired when Ladybird were first sold to | :25:57. | :26:01. | |
the publishers Pearson in the seventies. And in his retirement | :26:01. | :26:04. | |
wrote a book himself. One again ahead of his time. It was about | :26:04. | :26:11. | |
saving the planet. Bury radical to be talking about ecology to a | :26:11. | :26:19. | |
popular market and children at that time. -- very radical. So specimen | :26:19. | :26:29. | |
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only, first ever, 1945. Helen Day You take people to see what can be | :26:37. | :26:41. | |
achieved. Right up to date. Those same Ladybird books are now | :26:41. | :26:51. | |
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readable as an app on a smartphones and tablets. To reach those | :26:53. | :26:59. | |
children, we must look at these different platforms. Lots of older | :26:59. | :27:02. | |
generation people are getting nostalgic about it, recording their | :27:02. | :27:05. | |
own sound effects which is fantastic but also using it with | :27:05. | :27:09. | |
their children which is brilliant because it is bringing everything | :27:09. | :27:15. | |
full circle. This was when she was about eight. Douglas Keen's own | :27:15. | :27:19. | |
granddaughters also tried to make their own Ladybird books. One has | :27:19. | :27:22. | |
gone on to make a career illustrating children's books. An | :27:22. | :27:32. | |
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art legacy which began on a kitchen Gosh, it takes you back, doesn't | :27:33. | :27:37. | |
it? And great to see those brilliant books have got a future | :27:37. | :27:40. | |
thanks to Douglas Keen and it's the centenary of his birth this year. | :27:40. | :27:43. | |
That's it from Loughborough. Thanks for watching. Goodbye. | :27:43. | :27:46. | |
We do blood pressure, we do defibrilation if you collapse in | :27:46. | :27:50. | |
front of us. It's all free. It's on the NHS. You've all paid for it. | :27:50. | :27:54. | |
Just come and choose which one you'd like. Next week, it's the | :27:54. | :27:57. | |
biggest shake-up in the history of the NHS, so what will it mean for | :27:57. | :28:00. | |
patients and doctors? GP and comedian Phil Hammond sets out his | :28:00. | :28:06. | |
stall. This is what the biggest shake-up in the history of the NHS | :28:06. | :28:09. | |
is all about giving local doctors, nurses and patients the chance to | :28:09. | :28:15. | |
call the shots and shop around for the best care. | :28:15. | :28:18. | |
With "choice" the buzz word, Rob Sissons asks what difference will | :28:18. | :28:22. | |
it really make to your life in the East Midlands? It's very difficult | :28:22. | :28:25. | |
for patients because you're not really aware of who is better than | :28:25. | :28:34. | |
And Ben Jackson is back in the saddle again. There are days, let | :28:34. | :28:37. |