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Hello.

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How safe is your credit card?

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Tonight we are on the trail of the fraudsters out to get

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their hands on your cash.

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I'd like to ask you a couple of questions actually about your

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involvement in a chip and pin fraud.

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We track down the man who wants to clone your card.

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Are you making a lot of money out of it?

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I actually feel sick right now.

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Sally's sugar rush but can she quit the white stuff?

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People are losing limbs through diabetes.

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And Des Coleman sets the bush craft world on fire.

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Ow!

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The stories that matter closer to home.

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This is Inside Out East Midlands.

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First tonight, credit card fraud.

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When chip and pin machines replaced our signature in shops, we were

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promised they would help to protect us but an Inside Out investigation

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has discovered that criminal gangs are using specially`adapted machines

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to steal our bank details and then our cash.

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For the last nine months, we've been working undercover to gain access to

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a fraudster with global connections.

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And tonight, in Jonathan Gibson's exclusive report, we confront him.

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It's Friday night and for most of us the weekend has started.

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Me included.

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A few drinks and some food out.

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And, if like me you've never got cash, a card comes in handy.

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For ten years now, we've all been using these.

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Chip and pin machines.

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And the place I've come for dinner is no different.

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Remember when we used to sign for things in shops?

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The banks told us chip and pin would be much safer.

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Well, try telling Leila from Nottingham that.

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She found out her card had been cloned when she was made to leave

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her shopping at the checkout.

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I just thought I have got money in there and I just didn't know why

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it was being declined.

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I couldn't understand it.

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My card was obviously cloned.

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Really horrible, the thought that somebody else can access your money

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through your chip and pin card.

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The bank gave Leila her money back.

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But a quick look online shows there are many more victims.

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That's the thing with the Internet, there are the good people

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on there like innocent victims and then there are the bad.

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I'm talking to a man who knows all about stolen numbers.

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Because he steals them and he's looking for a new partner.

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Why not?

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Funnily enough, I haven't mentioned I'm a journalist.

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He thinks I own a restaurant with card`paying

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customers but I need to gain his trust and that's taking months.

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But one day he tells me of parcels in the post.

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It's a chip and pin machine.

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I've already spent months gaining this criminal's confidence but he

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still doesn't trust me completely.

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He's finally agreed to chat but is banking on staying anonymous

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over the Internet.

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We will see about that.

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COMPUTER VOICE:

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Press F1 then one.

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He tells me the machine he sent me remembers people's card numbers.

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Once you swipe it, the data has already been saved

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from the first swipe.

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Then enter the pin, the pin is stored

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and now all the data is there.

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That's everything he needs to steal people's cash.

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Do it how the restaurant's receipt looks cos it's fully customisable.

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He's told me to put this error message on the bottom

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of the receipt so my customers will think the machine is not working.

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That is so I can swap it for my normal one to take

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their real payment.

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What I now need to work out is a way of putting that to the test.

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And I think I've found the answer.

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Pay`as`you`go debit cards.

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They are a bit like mobile phone top`ups.

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You can only spend what you put on them.

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I have bought 20 to try out.

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I need him to think they belong to my customers but will it work?

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He has told me I will need to download the data using some

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cables he sent me in the post.

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Can you just plug that into your laptop?

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A couple more connections and we are ready to rock.

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Is it downloading?

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Yes, it's receiving stuff.

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Yeah, OK, when it's done downloading, just send me that file.

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That's how you download.

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Look at this, he just e`mailed me through

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the rest of the card numbers.

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And the pins that go with them.

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These cards here.

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In a couple of minutes, he's got everything he needs to make exact

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copies of all these cards, which he can then use in cashpoints.

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And he says he's done that already time and time again.

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What will the banks think?

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I think the encouraging thing is that these frauds are very rare.

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We've only seen one recent instance of it and we are seeing convictions

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in the Old Bailey in respect of that at the moment.

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We know the existing advice to consumers is to protect your pin.

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With something like that there's no point because it's the device

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itself which takes the pin number.

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The first reassurance to give everybody when it comes to this type

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of fraud, which is a very rare type of crime, is that even if you are

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the victim of it, you will receive a full refund of all of your losses,

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but with this type of fraud, in common with other ones as well,

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we always advise consumers to check their statements.

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I'm about to do just that.

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As all the pay`as`you`go debit cards are in my name it also means I can

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check what's happening to them.

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Take these two for example.

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They've never left my wallet but according to

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the transaction history they've been emptied of cash in the Philippines.

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So either he's stealing my money or someone he knows is.

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But he has also sent me a second machine so

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at least he's not suspicious.

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But who is he?

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He is taking cash out in the Philippines

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but the machines came from Britain.

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I've also sent money to Canada for the cables he is posted.

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I'm not sure that's really helped.

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He could be on either side of the world.

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OK, time to change tactics.

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How about I tell him I've broken the machine.

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I'm hoping he will ask me to send it for repair.

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And if he trusts me enough, he might meet give me an address.

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It might not be his, of course.

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Bingo.

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He's taken the bait, telling me to send it to

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Marcus Montague in Canada.

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He's the guy I paid for the cables but this is one

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parcel I plan to deliver by hand.

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Bags packed, passports checked.

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Let's go find him.

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Toronto, Canada.

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I'm heading out of town 25 miles along the freeway to Pickering.

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Is the guy that we've been given the address for the guy that's been

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on Skype that we've been talking to for months now?

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But there's only one way to be sure and that means me playing postie.

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Yes, we're happy to help at TRN Couriers.

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OK, so the accent needs work but I'm hoping uniform will shine.

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We put a tracker inside the machine and I'm wearing a secret camera.

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Right, mate.

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Yes, it's Marcus Montague and he signed

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our fake delivery note to prove it.

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So it's time to confront him.

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Don't hit him.

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Courier delivery.

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Stay back.

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Montague, I got a delivery for you, mate.

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Delivery for you.

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No, I can't accept if I don't know about it.

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OK.

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It's time to come clean.

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Actually, I'm from the BBC.

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BBC television in the UK.

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I'd like to ask you a couple of questions about your involvement

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in a chip and pin fraud.

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Chip and pin fraud.

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Do you know about it?

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No.

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I think you do.

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We have been sending deliveries to your address

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and you have been taking them.

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No, I haven't.

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Don't go away, mate.

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We're asking you a few questions.

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Don't run us over.

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I don't know what's going on here.

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What's your involvement with chip and pin fraud?

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Who are you actually involved with then?

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Tell me.

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Who are you actually working with?

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Are you making a lot of money out of it?

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Well, not many answers.

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Raised a few more questions perhaps.

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Whatever the case, he wasn't very keen to hang around, was he?

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I think that's probably the last we'll see of him.

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At least for now.

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Can I have couple of pounds of plums and some apples as well.

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Back home and still on the market for answers but

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VeriFone which makes the machines doesn't want to be interviewed.

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I wanted to show them our evidence.

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It decided on a statement.

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VeriFone says the fraud is not a result of tampering with VeriFone

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devices.

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And requires the collusion of two criminals.

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The company says it takes the security

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of consumer data very seriously.

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It works with authorities to uncover fraud

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and its machines are not to blame.

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Put your pin in, please, mate.

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You know what, mate, I think I'll leave it.

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Now, it's been called the new tobacco, even a poison.

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It's this stuff, sugar.

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And we're eating far too much of it.

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In fact, some experts say we're already paying with our health.

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So how hard it could be to live on a virtually sugarfree diet from month?

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BBC Derby's Sally Pepper thinks she's pretty healthy.

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Could she do it?

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# sweets for my sweet, sugar for my honey,

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# your sugar kiss thrills me so.

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ANNOUNCER:

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Sally Pepper on BBC Radio Derby.

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Good morning.

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It's Monday morning.

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I've had a fabulous weekend which has consisted mainly

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of stuffing my face with some delicious foodie treats.

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Because of midday today, I'm going virtually sugar`free

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for the next four weeks.

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I know, why did I sign up for that?

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Well, because before too long, we could all face a sugar challenge.

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With worries that too much sugar is fuelling obesity,

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heart problems and diabetes, the Government is considering slashing

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the recommended daily intake of sugar from 12 teaspoons to six.

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The office seems divided on my chances of meeting this challenge.

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Sally can not bear to lose.

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She can't lose an argument with me, she can't lose a challenge

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from the team.

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Good luck.

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Seriously.

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Are you going to join me?

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No.

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Not only is the office going to be watching me, but doctors

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at the Royal Derby Hospital will be monitoring my progress too.

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Here they know all about the problems of excess sugar.

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Recent evidence has suggested that the increased intake

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of refined sugar is responsible for the increased prevalence of diabetes

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and diabetes is a major killer.

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After a few tests, I'm given the all clear to start the diet.

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Was that painful?

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A little sharp.

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It's all right.

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I'm not looking, though.

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Just over 40 minutes to go.

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Time for some last`minute indulgence.

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Here at Radio Derby we have something called the table of love.

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A desk crammed with sugary treats.

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Today, they have gone overboard.

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There's loads on here.

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Look at this.

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I feel sick.

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I actually feel sick right now.

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I said it started at midday and that's it.

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Here we are, 12:03.

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For the next four weeks, I have very little sugar I can consume each day.

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# Sugar in the morning, sugar in the evening, sugar at supper time #.

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After just a few days on the diet, I've already discovered two rascals

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within my own family who seem determined to scupper my chances.

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Look how difficult this is going to be.

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I've got these two boys who will be stuffing their faces with sweets,

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cakes and chocolates and biscuits and ice cream and mummy is not

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allowed anything for four weeks?

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You can have this.

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Day five.

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I'm getting grumpy.

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I'm fed up of thinking about what I can and can't eat.

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It's the hidden sugars in packets, sauces, ready meals and drinks that

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could really trip me up.

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Look at this cola.

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A 750 mil cola.

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You're talking 13 teaspoons of sugar.

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When you look at your 25 grams you are supposed to

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have, that's over half the amount of sugar n the glass.

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I think we'll get rid of that.

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Switch to water but avoid that flavoured stuff.

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They look so innocent, just touch of lime, and yet lurking in that

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one bottle is ten teaspoons of sugar and yet making a simple swap to

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just water from the tap, adding your own juice of lemon and lime, you get

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a nice extra zing but no sugar.

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The food and drink industry say they are listening.

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The sugar that is present in products is there for a reason.

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And where it is possible to reduce sugar with a calorie reduction as

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part of the process, companies have already taken these steps and will

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continue to go down this route.

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The industry absolutely on the back foot about sugar.

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Sugar, the science is solid.

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Public opinion is solid.

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Sugar alone contributes 10 or even 20% of calories that

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people consume in a day.

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And to halve that amount would actually reverse

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the obesity epidemic.

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Well, mostly I'm doing well but everyone has bad days

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and word seems to have got around.

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There is this very vicious rumour that a pizza might have

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been illegally consumed.

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I can't resist.

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I've done a run, I've earned it.

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I'm going to eat it and I don't care how much sugar is in there.

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There is four teaspoons of sugar in a pizza.

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Oops!

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Halfway through the challenge and it's back to the hospital.

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I've got a few questions for the doctors.

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I'm getting real need and pangs for chocolate that actually I

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wasn't getting before.

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Is that normal?

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It's sugar craving.

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That's well`recognised when people stop eating sugar for a bit.

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But hopefully, that will resolve.

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I'm doing this for four weeks as my challenge, but there is a serious

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message behind this, isn't there?

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That's right.

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Diabetes is on the rise.

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For these diabetic patients, all on strict diets, I discovered

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there's a lot at stake.

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Your sight could go.

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You could lose your feet, your legs.

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Everything.

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People are losing limbs through diabetes and again,

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that's the fear that you have.

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So cake is your nemesis?

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I love cake.

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Which would have lots of sugar in it.

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Which has a lot of sugar in.

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Yes, the dried fruit.

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I only have a little slice at weekends.

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Back home, I'm getting pretty good at ditching all those takeaways

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and packet meals.

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And there we have it.

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Seared salmon on a bed of sweet potato mash.

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And home`made ratatouille.

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It took just 20 minutes and if we just try it...

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Pretty delicious even if I do say so myself.

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And virtually sugar`free.

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I am so excited.

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This is my final evening.

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Tomorrow the sugar challenge ends.

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Honestly, my stomach is rumbling in anticipation.

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I think it was harder for us than it was for Sally to be honest.

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She's a little bit tetchy a couple of times to the point that

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I was trying to feed her sugar.

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Yay!

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It's midday!

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I'm done.

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Bring the chocolate in.

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No, I'm not sharing.

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They are all for me.

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So good.

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I thought I was going to need one of these the other day

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after bingeing once the sugar`free diet had finished,

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I didn't sleep well that night.

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I had a terrible headache.

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I feel much better now and I'm here to get the final results.

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And they are pretty amazing.

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Overall, the cholesterol profile has improved over the past four weeks.

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Are you surprised by these changes in such a short amount of time?

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I was a bit surprised because four weeks is

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a short time and you generally lead a healthy life as well.

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But that's good.

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# Sugar mama, sugar mama, sugar mamma, please come back to me #.

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So if I was to continue this challenge, in 12 months I would have

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cut out the equivalent of this amount of sugar.

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Quite staggering really.

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I do feel really quite healthy so I'm quite tempted to carry on.

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Mind you, one cake wouldn't hurt, would it?

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Oh my God, that's so big.

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Looks like Sally's got her taste back for sugar quite nicely there.

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Finally tonight, living off the land, sleeping under

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the stars, cooking on an open fire.

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Perhaps doesn't sound like everyone's idea

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of weekend fun but apparently wilderness training is all

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the rage here in the East Midlands.

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So how will city slicker Des Coleman cope without his home comforts?

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I've been told that this weekend is all about experiencing

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the great outdoors so, like a boy scout, I'm going to be prepared so

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I've come here to get kitted out and I ain't leaving anything to chance.

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This place in Nottingham is packed full of surplus army supplies

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so it should have everything I need for a weekend in the wild.

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What is a good thing to protect me from all of the bad weather and

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all the bugs because I hate bugs?

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OK, I can get you something like a mosquito net that will go over your

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hat and it will tuck into your neck and that will keep the bugs off you.

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It won't look great, but you're not going to get bit.

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Not sure if I'm going to need this.

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I think it's more bank robber than bush craft.

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You're probably right there.

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How's that?

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Yeah, that's looking good.

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Yeah?

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Looking the part proper now.

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Des is going to do really well.

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We've kitted him out with everything he needs.

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For the finishing touches, we've got some matches, a compass,

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a hand warmer, a rain poncho.

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If all else fails, we've even got him a survival blanket.

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A little later, I'm visiting the UK's Bush Craft Show which is

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on every year in Derbyshire.

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But first, I'm heading to the Vale of Belvoir in Leicestershire.

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I'm joining a group of southern city slickers who are paying good

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money to rough it in the wild.

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I'm meeting bush craft instructor Jason.

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Jason, how are you doing?

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Hello, Des, I didn't see coming with all the camouflage on there.

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I feel a bit overdressed.

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Welcome to the Belvoir Castle estate.

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As you can see, we've already started.

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We are shelter building this morning.

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First priority for your survival, so I think we'd best crack on.

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Sure.

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So Jason, what I want to know is, what is bush craft?

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Yeah, big question.

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For me, it's about making yourself comfortable

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in the great outdoors but doing it in a sustainable manner,

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so that the resources are there for the future generations as well.

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So what type of people want to take up bush craft courses?

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We get all sorts.

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We do school groups and we do stag dos and hen dos etc,

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but the main thrust of the business is adults, individuals booking on.

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People coming from the cities, maybe wanting to re`engage with

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the natural world and reconnect.

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I think the next thing you'll be telling me, Jason,

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is you're going to want me to...

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Hold on, it's not working...

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Make some fire.

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I wouldn't normally do this with ordinary clients, but Des is

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a bit of a special one for us.

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I'm going to go through his rucksack and make sure he's

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getting a complete authentic bush craft experience.

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Oh dear.

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I think we can find a natural alternative for that one, I think.

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Donation to the instructors' camp, I think.

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Wonderful, thank you very much, Des.

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He has stashed so much food in here.

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Did he think that I wasn't going to feed him?

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Well, it's pretty obvious he hasn't done

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that much manual labour in the past but leave him with me for a couple

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of hours and we will sort out.

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Besides shelter building, woodland cooking is a big part

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of the weekend.

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I don't cook at all.

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I'm not cooking your lunch.

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No?

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It's over to you.

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It doesn't matter if you do leave the kidney in.

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Cut gently through the skin, be careful where

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your thumb is close to the blade.

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Bush craft has really taken off in the East Midlands and now there's

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a fair few companies offering a taste of our great outdoors.

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And one of the real draws is spending a night under the stars.

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Our shelter is very nearly ready.

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I can see a lot of daylight at the moment.

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When it's completed, though, how waterproof is it?

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Depends on the thatching material but if you go about an arm's depth,

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you will be totally waterproof.

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Definitely everyone sleeps better on the second night in one

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of these natural shelters.

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Jonathan, what brings you down?

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Basically, I work in an office for my sins.

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Every now and again you have to come back outside,

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reconnect with the outdoors.

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I'm an outdoors person.

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I sit at a desk all day.

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I try to cycle to work but it's not quite enough

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of the outdoors time so every now and again you have to come and build

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a few shelters, listen to the birds, see what animals you find.

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Just have a bit of me time.

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I've left camp for a little bit and come over to rainy Derbyshire.

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I'm at the UK's Bush Craft Show at Catton Hall.

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This type of tourism has become big business across the East Midlands,

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so if you're thinking of booking a wild weekend or simply

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enjoying one of the many woodland workshops, this is the place to be.

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Guys, I can tell by your accents you're not from around these parts.

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That's right, we're from Belfast.

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Have you come all the way from there just for this event?

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That's right, we travelled through the night, lots of train delays

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and everything but we made it here.

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11 o'clock.

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Does it surprise you that there are so many people

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that love doing bush craft?

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I think everyone, you know, from when you are a child, being in the

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woods, getting sticks and that kind of tying things together building

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a den from whatever you can find, I think it's an exciting things.

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I don't think you ever lose that really as you get older.

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Bush craft is all about living in harmony with nature.

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It's not who's got the biggest knife and jumping

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off mountains and the rest of it.

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It's learning to live with your environment.

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Back at camp, I'm about to get to grips with the most

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important of all bush craft skills.

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I take it, Jason, this is one of the reasons why

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a lot of people come on the course?

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Yeah, this is the quintessential bush craft skill

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that everybody wants to learn.

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And, let's face it, if you can make fire from nothing,

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how amazing a feeling can be?

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I can't wait to have a go.

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Keep it steady.

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Lean it against your leg.

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That's better.

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Don't force it.

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Keep your back steady.

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Just increase your speed ever so slightly.

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Yes!

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Slowly squeeze it together.

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Ow!

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There's not many people on the planet that have done that

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and it's warm fire as well.

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Well done.

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You just scoffed some rabbit, haven't you?

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I have scoffed some rabbit, yes.

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What was that like?

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It was delicious.

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Thumper tasted good.

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The nights are drawing in and it's getting cold.

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Are you prepared?

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Absolutely, it's the best bit.

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What about the noises?

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Last night there were quite a few noises.

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Weren't you tempted to sneak into somebody else's tent?

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I'm a big strapping man.

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Can I come into yours then?

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Oh!

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When the daylight came, I felt a sense of empowerment.

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I felt a sense of achievement.

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I felt I had done it and a massive smile came over

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my face and I am going to walk down the street with a swagger.

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A bigger swagger than I've already got.

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And one of the main things is being able to

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build a shelter and make fire!

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So, there we have it.

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I have created my own shelter from scratch, made fire from rubbing

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two sticks together, and cooked my own bread and wild trout.

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It was a great experience and a very different way to spend the weekend.

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I have drawn the line at washing in the wild.

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I'm off home to have a nice hot bath.

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I think he's earned it, don't you?

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And that's it from Nottingham for this week.

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Next Monday, the dangers of deer, but do we need a nationwide cull?

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It is emotive and it is sad to have to shoot wild animals but what we're

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trying to do is create balance.

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Hello, I'm Ellie Crisell with your 90 Second Update.

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