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Imagine your son or daughter has
died whilst they are abroad. | 0:00:05 | 0:00:07 | |
On top of that terrible
grief, you are also | 0:00:07 | 0:00:15 | |
desperate for answers. | 0:00:15 | 0:00:16 | |
Now imagine someone decides
to exploit that pain | 0:00:16 | 0:00:18 | |
for cash. | 0:00:18 | 0:00:19 | |
Meet Simon Delow, a fake
investigator who charged grieving | 0:00:19 | 0:00:21 | |
families thousands for his advice. | 0:00:21 | 0:00:23 | |
What the guy was doing,
he was appearing in demos. | 0:00:23 | 0:00:28 | |
He was looking as if he was
fighting for us but he | 0:00:28 | 0:00:30 | |
was only there for
one person, himself. | 0:00:30 | 0:00:33 | |
Also tonight, we are going in search
of investors milling | 0:00:33 | 0:00:40 | |
Also tonight, we are going
in search of investors | 0:00:40 | 0:00:42 | |
missing money. | 0:00:42 | 0:00:43 | |
Hello, Peter Shuttleworth. | 0:00:43 | 0:00:44 | |
It's John Cuthill
from BBC Inside Out. | 0:00:44 | 0:00:46 | |
Can we have a chat? | 0:00:46 | 0:00:48 | |
And 40 years after that
album, we meet the media | 0:00:48 | 0:00:54 | |
mogul behind it all. | 0:00:54 | 0:00:55 | |
Did it ever get a bit hairy for you? | 0:00:55 | 0:01:02 | |
We're at Colwick Country Park
in Nottinghamshire. | 0:01:02 | 0:01:04 | |
I'm Lukwesa Burak and this
is Inside Out for the East | 0:01:04 | 0:01:06 | |
Midlands. | 0:01:06 | 0:01:13 | |
When people lose a loved one
abroad under suspicious | 0:01:13 | 0:01:16 | |
circumstances, they often speak
of feeling helpless. | 0:01:16 | 0:01:20 | |
The British authorities
are reluctant to | 0:01:20 | 0:01:23 | |
interfere and families are left
struggling to get answers. | 0:01:23 | 0:01:27 | |
Well, for some, Simon
Delow appeared to be | 0:01:27 | 0:01:29 | |
their saviour. | 0:01:29 | 0:01:32 | |
A man with apparent military
credentials, he said that | 0:01:32 | 0:01:34 | |
he could investigate. | 0:01:34 | 0:01:37 | |
However, that all turned out
to be a pack of lies. | 0:01:37 | 0:01:39 | |
Simon Hare has the story. | 0:01:39 | 0:01:46 | |
The Foreign Office in
London and a protest | 0:01:46 | 0:01:52 | |
by families asking for
help | 0:01:52 | 0:01:53 | |
over the death of their
relatives abroad. | 0:01:53 | 0:01:55 | |
What do we want? | 0:01:55 | 0:01:56 | |
Justice! | 0:01:56 | 0:01:57 | |
Among them, Simon Delow
who, for months, | 0:01:57 | 0:02:03 | |
masqueraded as an expert
investigator, using | 0:02:03 | 0:02:05 | |
a different name. | 0:02:05 | 0:02:14 | |
But he is now in prison
for a £100,000 con committed | 0:02:14 | 0:02:17 | |
against some of the most vulnerable
people you could imagine. | 0:02:17 | 0:02:19 | |
He was appearing at demos. | 0:02:19 | 0:02:21 | |
He looked as if he
was fighting for us. | 0:02:21 | 0:02:23 | |
He seemed to be very convincing. | 0:02:23 | 0:02:24 | |
I mean, he was. | 0:02:24 | 0:02:30 | |
Coming away from it you wonder how
on earth you are taken in. | 0:02:30 | 0:02:33 | |
In terms of the personal
impact on the family, | 0:02:33 | 0:02:35 | |
it's just the worst
kind of fraud ever. | 0:02:35 | 0:02:37 | |
He was only there for
one person, himself. | 0:02:37 | 0:02:45 | |
I've come to Sutton in Ashfield
in Nottinghamshire. | 0:02:45 | 0:02:50 | |
Ray Martin and his wife, Pat,
were devastated when their daughter, | 0:02:50 | 0:02:54 | |
Claire, died in Italy five years ago
from stab wounds to the throat. | 0:02:54 | 0:02:59 | |
We've never believed from day one
that our daughter took her own life. | 0:02:59 | 0:03:05 | |
The Martins believe Claire
was murdered but the Italian | 0:03:05 | 0:03:07 | |
authorities ruled it was suicide. | 0:03:08 | 0:03:13 | |
Within months of Claire's
death, Simon Delow had | 0:03:13 | 0:03:16 | |
contacted the Martins
to say he could help. | 0:03:16 | 0:03:20 | |
He said with his team getting
into Italy and asking questions, | 0:03:20 | 0:03:23 | |
he could get to the truth. | 0:03:23 | 0:03:27 | |
Mentioning that he had got contacts
with Interpol, different contacts | 0:03:27 | 0:03:29 | |
abroad. | 0:03:29 | 0:03:32 | |
He seemed to have
somebody everywhere. | 0:03:32 | 0:03:36 | |
That's my father's medals. | 0:03:36 | 0:03:38 | |
My father was in the
Coldstream Guards. | 0:03:38 | 0:03:42 | |
Ray is from a proud
military family and Delow | 0:03:42 | 0:03:44 | |
also claimed to be
ex-armed services. | 0:03:44 | 0:03:49 | |
I believed he fought
for our country, I believed he was | 0:03:49 | 0:03:51 | |
injured. | 0:03:51 | 0:03:57 | |
He invited the Martins
down to see him. | 0:03:57 | 0:03:59 | |
He was very friendly
in his contact, he wasn't pushy. | 0:03:59 | 0:04:01 | |
He began to say what
he could give them | 0:04:01 | 0:04:04 | |
and began to dangle the carrot
of what he could find out what his | 0:04:04 | 0:04:07 | |
teams could do and then started
to introduce but for me to do that, | 0:04:07 | 0:04:13 | |
it'll cost £16,000. | 0:04:14 | 0:04:18 | |
Whatever figure it was that he said
it would cost. In the end the | 0:04:18 | 0:04:23 | |
martins had a lucky escape, they
simply didn't have the cash to pay | 0:04:23 | 0:04:29 | |
Delow's fees. If I'd had the money
we could've remortgaged the House, | 0:04:29 | 0:04:33 | |
yeah, I could have lost quite a bit.
To go and pull a con on somebody | 0:04:33 | 0:04:40 | |
that has lost somebody, give them
false hope that you are helping them | 0:04:40 | 0:04:45 | |
when there is no help at the end of
the line, how low can you go? Delow | 0:04:45 | 0:04:54 | |
said he had spent 15 years with the
RAF but he had been a pilot and | 0:04:54 | 0:04:59 | |
risen to the rank of Group Captain.
But we checked with the Ministry of | 0:04:59 | 0:05:03 | |
Defence and it says he has no
military credentials whatsoever. And | 0:05:03 | 0:05:08 | |
his company was simply a website he
ran from his home in Gloucester. But | 0:05:08 | 0:05:15 | |
it was slick enough to persuade some
people to hand over their money. We | 0:05:15 | 0:05:20 | |
knew that he would give a free
assessment of the case to see if he | 0:05:20 | 0:05:23 | |
could help and we felt that it was
worth a try. Because by then we were | 0:05:23 | 0:05:28 | |
three years after Andrew died.
Julie's Sun Andrew Watt was died in | 0:05:28 | 0:05:38 | |
2010. He was found in a country lane
near to where he was living in | 0:05:38 | 0:05:42 | |
France with injuries on his body.
French police initially said he had | 0:05:42 | 0:05:47 | |
died from natural causes. Months
later they ruled it was suicide. The | 0:05:47 | 0:05:52 | |
French said it was not suspicious so
there was nothing to be done. And we | 0:05:52 | 0:05:57 | |
started to complain and knock on any
door for help. They have spoken to | 0:05:57 | 0:06:03 | |
their managers and they have advised
them not to come out and see the | 0:06:03 | 0:06:06 | |
letter because they are not allowed
to. As what a load of Tosh. The man | 0:06:06 | 0:06:16 | |
they knew Simon accompanied them on
many protests. This one was outside | 0:06:16 | 0:06:20 | |
the French Embassy in London. They
gave him £18,000 thinking they were | 0:06:20 | 0:06:26 | |
paying for his investigation
services through his accountant. Not | 0:06:26 | 0:06:31 | |
knowing that was his real middle
name and surname. And it wasn't the | 0:06:31 | 0:06:36 | |
only fictitious character he trained
up along the way. He told as he had | 0:06:36 | 0:06:44 | |
a contract in France who is almost
his counterpart called Lewis based | 0:06:44 | 0:06:51 | |
in Paris who would help him with the
language and the law and everything. | 0:06:51 | 0:06:55 | |
We were drawn in. Julie now lives
near Penrith in Cumbria. For her | 0:06:55 | 0:07:03 | |
money, all she got was an
integrating reports for the | 0:07:03 | 0:07:07 | |
fabricated claims about her son's
death. Beginning to suspect all | 0:07:07 | 0:07:10 | |
wasn't as it seemed to be, Julie and
her husband, mayors, insisted they | 0:07:10 | 0:07:18 | |
accompanied putter one on his next
trip to France. He said it would be | 0:07:18 | 0:07:23 | |
dangerous and that if there was a
problem then we may have to do | 0:07:23 | 0:07:27 | |
Westgate through Germany. We were
still determined to go and we did. | 0:07:27 | 0:07:32 | |
And very quickly it unravelled.
Louis was meant to metres in Paris | 0:07:32 | 0:07:37 | |
and he didn't turn up. But he was
shouting down the phone at Louis, | 0:07:37 | 0:07:43 | |
swearing at him and Les and I just
looked at each other and we both | 0:07:43 | 0:07:47 | |
knew that we had been conned. The
shepherds went to Durham Police for | 0:07:47 | 0:07:56 | |
help. It became clear that he had
been in touch with a number of | 0:07:56 | 0:08:00 | |
families across the UK. And these
families that he had been contacting | 0:08:00 | 0:08:04 | |
were clearly very desperate. He
didn't have operatives across the | 0:08:04 | 0:08:12 | |
country or the old boys network you
claim to have but actually he was | 0:08:12 | 0:08:15 | |
going under a different name at that
point only have a previous | 0:08:15 | 0:08:18 | |
conviction for fraud and had been to
prison for fraud. More than a decade | 0:08:18 | 0:08:24 | |
ago, he posed as an insurance broker
in Lincolnshire but he spent most of | 0:08:24 | 0:08:27 | |
the tens of thousands of pounds he
taken for policies on expensive | 0:08:27 | 0:08:30 | |
cars. Simon the low had set up --
Simon Delow had invested money... | 0:08:30 | 0:08:44 | |
And looking into that we quickly
found that the whole thing was a | 0:08:44 | 0:08:47 | |
sham really. On the Internet, his
website boasted about expensive | 0:08:47 | 0:08:56 | |
offices and Singapore, New York. The
reality was it was a two-bedroom | 0:08:56 | 0:09:00 | |
flat above a hairdresser in Boston.
As Durham Police built up their case | 0:09:00 | 0:09:07 | |
against Delow for fraud, he went on
the run. He left Gloucester but they | 0:09:07 | 0:09:12 | |
traced into Jersey in the Channel
Islands. He was found by officers at | 0:09:12 | 0:09:18 | |
a motorhome stopover site
appropriately known as the hideaway. | 0:09:18 | 0:09:21 | |
Unfortunately for him, it wasn't a
very good hiding place. Delow was | 0:09:21 | 0:09:27 | |
arrested and then held on remand in
Durham. In August, he pleaded guilty | 0:09:27 | 0:09:31 | |
to charges relating to the martins,
the shepherds and a third family. I | 0:09:31 | 0:09:39 | |
want him to looking me in the eye
and then to know what he has done. | 0:09:39 | 0:09:46 | |
Ten days ago, Simon Delow had to
face his victims again at Durham | 0:09:46 | 0:09:50 | |
Crown Court. As he was given a ten
year sentence for a con the judge | 0:09:50 | 0:09:55 | |
said could be summed up in one word,
cruel. Ray, what did you make of | 0:09:55 | 0:10:03 | |
that? Ten years. Not enough but
happy. At least he not out there | 0:10:03 | 0:10:08 | |
trying to anybody else. I think the
judge summed it up saying cruel. | 0:10:08 | 0:10:16 | |
What all these people had been
through already and then to do that | 0:10:16 | 0:10:20 | |
to them, it's just really sickening.
Well the families now have justice | 0:10:20 | 0:10:26 | |
against Simon Delow but they say
they will continue to fight for | 0:10:26 | 0:10:29 | |
justice for their loved ones who
died abroad. Next, they have been | 0:10:29 | 0:10:40 | |
left thousands of pounds out of
pocket with no explanation as to | 0:10:40 | 0:10:44 | |
what has happened to their money.
Investors in a property scheme have | 0:10:44 | 0:10:47 | |
been telling us they want some
serious answers. So, as their top | 0:10:47 | 0:10:53 | |
tip turned out to be a non-runner?
John Cotterill has been | 0:10:53 | 0:10:56 | |
investigating. A flutter on the
horses can be tempting. Especially | 0:10:56 | 0:11:09 | |
when that sure bet is looking you
right in the eye. And like horse | 0:11:09 | 0:11:16 | |
racing, financial investments also
need a bit of luck if they are to | 0:11:16 | 0:11:20 | |
pay out. Come on! But if that
investment tip. The first hurdle, | 0:11:20 | 0:11:32 | |
you might find have backed the wrong
horse. That is exactly what happened | 0:11:32 | 0:11:42 | |
to Stephen Perry from Ringwood.
Stephen, hi. Stephen was investing | 0:11:42 | 0:11:47 | |
for his future and the current low
interest rates being offered by | 0:11:47 | 0:11:50 | |
banks weren't very tempting. I am
virtually retired now and I had some | 0:11:50 | 0:11:57 | |
I wanted to put away an some income
from. I have two kids from school, | 0:11:57 | 0:12:03 | |
begging to be going to university
before I know it and they are | 0:12:03 | 0:12:06 | |
expensive! Eager to start investing,
Stephen found a broker online. They | 0:12:06 | 0:12:14 | |
claimed that they did all the due
diligence, they only offered | 0:12:14 | 0:12:18 | |
reliable products. So I trusted
them. The broker introduced Stephen | 0:12:18 | 0:12:27 | |
to Forbes capital. It was offering a
secured two-year investment in a | 0:12:27 | 0:12:32 | |
social housing scheme based in
Chicago. Forbes capital was | 0:12:32 | 0:12:38 | |
promising high returns. So Stephen
invested £70,000. They were | 0:12:38 | 0:12:45 | |
purchasing property, so they were
assets against which if things went | 0:12:45 | 0:12:48 | |
wrong at least I would get some, if
not all of the money back. For Steve | 0:12:48 | 0:12:53 | |
and it sounded like the perfect
investment and he wasn't the only | 0:12:53 | 0:12:56 | |
one who thought so. Records we have
seen show investors have paid | 0:12:56 | 0:13:03 | |
£440,000 to Forbes Capital. This man
and his fiancee invested £5,000 to | 0:13:03 | 0:13:10 | |
help pay for their wedding. To date,
they have not received a penny. | 0:13:10 | 0:13:16 | |
Others invested lump sums from their
pensions. 64-year-old man from | 0:13:16 | 0:13:22 | |
Sutton in Ashfield in
Nottinghamshire. He was an NHS nurse | 0:13:22 | 0:13:26 | |
for over 40 years and has recently
retired. He dipped into his pension | 0:13:26 | 0:13:31 | |
pot to invest with Forbes Capital. I
decided to make some investment. I | 0:13:31 | 0:13:38 | |
invested £40,000 and that investment
was for two years. Forbes Capital | 0:13:38 | 0:13:45 | |
promised to return all of his
investment at the end and pay in | 0:13:45 | 0:13:49 | |
£400 every month. I even had a
payment schedule from the managing | 0:13:49 | 0:13:57 | |
director to tell me how much I was
good to get. At the time, I thought | 0:13:57 | 0:14:01 | |
it was a good return. That is the
main reason I invested. And it was a | 0:14:01 | 0:14:08 | |
regular income, a monthly income
because since I have retired I am | 0:14:08 | 0:14:13 | |
only getting less money every month.
So to make it up, that is the main | 0:14:13 | 0:14:20 | |
reason I invested in Forbes Capital.
He only received for interest | 0:14:20 | 0:14:26 | |
payments and then they dried up. He
contacted Forbes Capital to ask | 0:14:26 | 0:14:31 | |
where his money was but they didn't
return his calls respond to his | 0:14:31 | 0:14:35 | |
e-mails. After a lifetime of helping
others, he hoped this investment | 0:14:35 | 0:14:40 | |
would help him and his family
financially. I am extremely worried | 0:14:40 | 0:14:45 | |
about the capital of £40,000 because
I worked hard for that. I am worried | 0:14:45 | 0:14:51 | |
about the returns as well because I
was told I was going to get that and | 0:14:51 | 0:14:56 | |
as I said, when I'm not getting it
I'm really, Brady frustrated about | 0:14:56 | 0:15:01 | |
that. Because I did trust that
company. So who is behind the | 0:15:01 | 0:15:08 | |
company? The main shareholder of
Forbes Capital is this man, Peter | 0:15:08 | 0:15:16 | |
Shuttleworth. He previously was a
director for colonial capital which | 0:15:16 | 0:15:21 | |
offered an almost identical
investment opportunity. That firm | 0:15:21 | 0:15:25 | |
went under, owing millions. Forbes
Capital is unregulated and for | 0:15:25 | 0:15:32 | |
investors, that can mean risky
business. If you are dealing with an | 0:15:32 | 0:15:37 | |
unregulated investment scheme, if
you are dealing with an unregulated | 0:15:37 | 0:15:40 | |
broker, this is no different to
handing your life savings over to a | 0:15:40 | 0:15:43 | |
man in the pub and hoping that it
will give it to you -- give it back | 0:15:43 | 0:15:48 | |
to you again one day. With a lot of
experience in financial services, he | 0:15:48 | 0:15:54 | |
picks specialises in investment. You
have looked at the detail of the | 0:15:54 | 0:16:01 | |
Forbes Capital offer. The first one
that worried me is multiple layers | 0:16:01 | 0:16:08 | |
of uncertainty around the in
overseas investment. So lots of | 0:16:08 | 0:16:13 | |
uncertainty but the fact that it is
an unregulated investment scheme. So | 0:16:13 | 0:16:18 | |
the UK regulator has no control over
it. It also means if anything goes | 0:16:18 | 0:16:22 | |
wrong, you have no comeback. And
investment broker based in Spain | 0:16:22 | 0:16:30 | |
acted as a middleman between
investors and Forbes Capital. But | 0:16:30 | 0:16:36 | |
even when investors started
reporting that they haven't received | 0:16:36 | 0:16:40 | |
their monthly payments from Forbes
Capital, Templer invest continues to | 0:16:40 | 0:16:44 | |
sign people up to the scheme.
Templer invest is currently being | 0:16:44 | 0:16:49 | |
investigated by the Financial
Conduct Authority. It says it too | 0:16:49 | 0:16:56 | |
was this led by Forbes Capital and
that it has now had to cease | 0:16:56 | 0:16:59 | |
trading. But that is of little
comfort to Stephen when the company | 0:16:59 | 0:17:03 | |
he invested in isn't paying out what
they promised. Since invested the | 0:17:03 | 0:17:07 | |
money in Forbes Capital, have you
had any contact from? No. The only | 0:17:07 | 0:17:12 | |
contact I had was the bond the
payment schedule and a cover letter | 0:17:12 | 0:17:17 | |
in the post. How you feel? £70,000
is a huge amount of money. Well, | 0:17:17 | 0:17:25 | |
obviously I was upset. Are you kind
of resigned to the fact warranty | 0:17:25 | 0:17:30 | |
that money again? Virtually, I think
I've had to sort of admit that the | 0:17:30 | 0:17:34 | |
probability of possibility,
otherwise I wouldn't sleep at night | 0:17:34 | 0:17:39 | |
I just end all my days worrying
about it. After weeks of searching, | 0:17:39 | 0:17:46 | |
we finally found Mr Shuttleworth
here at this caravan park in Essex. | 0:17:46 | 0:17:50 | |
Time to get some answers. Hello,
Peter Shuttleworth. It's John | 0:17:50 | 0:17:57 | |
Cuthill from the BBC inside out, can
we have a chat? No. We have come to | 0:17:57 | 0:18:03 | |
ask where the investors money is.
Can you get up before I phoned the | 0:18:03 | 0:18:09 | |
police? Thank you. IU death? Leave
the camera. You have taken tens of | 0:18:09 | 0:18:17 | |
thousands of pounds. Peter
Shuttleworth, you owed at least an | 0:18:17 | 0:18:21 | |
explanation, don't you? £70,000 from
Mr Perry, not a penny paid back. You | 0:18:21 | 0:18:27 | |
can't even be bothered to talk to
them, why not? Anything at all, Mr | 0:18:27 | 0:18:33 | |
Shuttleworth? You're quite a hard
man to track down. And you are a | 0:18:33 | 0:18:37 | |
very hard man to talk to. | 0:18:37 | 0:18:42 | |
Well, clearly Peter Shuttleworth
doesn't want to talk to is today. | 0:18:47 | 0:18:51 | |
Tens of thousands of pounds of
investors's money. Investors are | 0:18:51 | 0:18:55 | |
last in what has happened to lose
money, we have asked in what is | 0:18:55 | 0:18:59 | |
happening to their money and he has
got nothing to say. That was John | 0:18:59 | 0:19:05 | |
Cuthill reporting there. And we got
an update for you because since our | 0:19:05 | 0:19:09 | |
visit, Mr Shuttleworth has been in
touch. E-mail this to say that all | 0:19:09 | 0:19:13 | |
the investors will be receiving a
full refund by the end of November. | 0:19:13 | 0:19:17 | |
So we will be letting you know if
that does indeed happen. Finally | 0:19:17 | 0:19:27 | |
tonight, this month marks the 40th
anniversary of one of the most | 0:19:27 | 0:19:31 | |
colourful court cases ever heard in
the East Midlands. A controversy | 0:19:31 | 0:19:36 | |
that cemented the rabble rousing
credentials of one of Britain's's | 0:19:36 | 0:19:40 | |
best-known businessman. How it's all
hinged on one word on one album | 0:19:40 | 0:19:46 | |
cover by the punk rockers the sex
pistols. Well our reporter has the | 0:19:46 | 0:19:51 | |
story and I'm afraid, inevitably, it
does use language that some of you | 0:19:51 | 0:19:55 | |
may find offensive. Cast your mind
back, if you can, to November of | 0:19:55 | 0:20:09 | |
1977. It's still the Silver Jubilee,
God Save The Queen. Nigel Clough is | 0:20:09 | 0:20:19 | |
already causing problems that the
rest of division one. And Brian | 0:20:19 | 0:20:27 | |
Clough. And that is at odds over
bringing anarchy to the East | 0:20:27 | 0:20:33 | |
Midlands. It sells holidays in the
sun today but 40 years ago, this was | 0:20:33 | 0:20:43 | |
a virgin record shop. And the full
roar over an LP that went on display | 0:20:43 | 0:20:47 | |
in the window it would help launch a
global brand. We took a little risk | 0:20:47 | 0:20:55 | |
that you can help propel virgin into
the company it is today. I suspect | 0:20:55 | 0:21:00 | |
we wouldn't have a spaceship company
today! Now, I was only nine years | 0:21:00 | 0:21:12 | |
old in 1977 but I can remember the
impact of punk. Punk was a | 0:21:12 | 0:21:18 | |
revelation, it was
antiestablishment, it was... | 0:21:18 | 0:21:22 | |
Everyone was... To use the parlance
of the day, it was skill. | 0:21:22 | 0:21:29 | |
The Crown jewels of punk, the sex
pistols, had already been in trouble | 0:21:39 | 0:21:44 | |
for being dead rude and this live TV
appearance became infamous. Cover | 0:21:44 | 0:21:47 | |
your ears. Punk rock, the new crazy
tummy. A new rude word. Next | 0:21:47 | 0:21:58 | |
question. No, what was a rude word.
Come on got another five seconds. | 0:21:58 | 0:22:06 | |
This and dirty leader. What a bloody
ratbag. The next day's papers went | 0:22:06 | 0:22:16 | |
nuts. Speaking of the band's filth
and the resulting fury at that TV | 0:22:16 | 0:22:21 | |
appearance. So when they released
their debut album, it wasn't | 0:22:21 | 0:22:25 | |
surprising that it contained a
naughty word. That word, which I'm | 0:22:25 | 0:22:29 | |
not using because I never swear,
isn't something you would associate | 0:22:29 | 0:22:33 | |
with Nottingham, unless you're
from... But it caused a lot of | 0:22:33 | 0:22:38 | |
trouble here. Now then, 40 years ago
when this place was a megastore, the | 0:22:38 | 0:22:43 | |
manager was a bloke called Chris
Seal and like every other branch of | 0:22:43 | 0:22:48 | |
the country, he was instructed to
fill these windows with posters | 0:22:48 | 0:22:51 | |
promoting the album. The police
weren't too happy about this. Four | 0:22:51 | 0:22:55 | |
times came over and demanded that he
take them down. Four times he told | 0:22:55 | 0:22:59 | |
them to... Well, he refused. So, in
late November 's 1977, he ended up | 0:22:59 | 0:23:10 | |
here in court. Charged with
exhibiting in decent printed | 0:23:10 | 0:23:14 | |
material. A law that went all the
way back to Victorian times. Instead | 0:23:14 | 0:23:22 | |
of backing down, virgin decided to
fight back. When I put that post and | 0:23:22 | 0:23:32 | |
render it never occurred to me that
anything was wrong with it at all. | 0:23:32 | 0:23:35 | |
Chris lives abroad now suffered to
get hold of his gaffer, you might | 0:23:35 | 0:23:41 | |
have heard of him. How did you fancy
your chances before the court case? | 0:23:41 | 0:23:49 | |
Did it ever get a bit hairy for you?
The worst is weird to put a sticker | 0:23:49 | 0:23:55 | |
over the window and it would've
actually sold even more albums so, | 0:23:55 | 0:24:01 | |
you know, it was unlikely that we
were going to be sent to prison for | 0:24:01 | 0:24:04 | |
it. It was the sex pistols and
ourselves have been sent to prison | 0:24:04 | 0:24:09 | |
for a week or something but that
would actually meant I would have | 0:24:09 | 0:24:12 | |
sold even more albums, so the
notoriety of sex pistols... So when | 0:24:12 | 0:24:18 | |
you ran the poster campaign in the
shop windows, you kind of knew what | 0:24:18 | 0:24:24 | |
you are doing. Yes, we will pull in
the tail of the establishment of | 0:24:24 | 0:24:29 | |
Ethelbert Sex Pistols were having
fun, virgin was having fun. Pelle it | 0:24:29 | 0:24:35 | |
was actually the fact that we were
brave enough to take on the Sex | 0:24:35 | 0:24:40 | |
Pistols and turned to my three into
the most successful record label in | 0:24:40 | 0:24:44 | |
the world, sometimes you have to
take a risk and we took a little | 0:24:44 | 0:24:48 | |
risk that helped propel Virgin into
the company it is today. Solicit | 0:24:48 | 0:24:55 | |
album as a little place in your
heart? Of course. I suspect we | 0:24:55 | 0:25:01 | |
wouldn't have a spaceship! God Save
The Queen. The fascist regime. But | 0:25:01 | 0:25:12 | |
back in 1977, the establishment was
gagging to kick punk where it hurt. | 0:25:12 | 0:25:17 | |
And other Virgin store managers were
facing charges too. Exactly quite | 0:25:17 | 0:25:23 | |
scary at the time. I remember
Richard offered me a load of money | 0:25:23 | 0:25:27 | |
for everyday I was in prison and
although he did it with humour, like | 0:25:27 | 0:25:30 | |
a word, and it was a nice gesture
and a kind of funny one, it didn't | 0:25:30 | 0:25:35 | |
make me feel better. Chris's case
came to court before ours. We watch | 0:25:35 | 0:25:45 | |
it with some trepidation because it
has Chris been found guilty, then we | 0:25:45 | 0:25:51 | |
presumably would have automatically
been found guilty as well. All the | 0:25:51 | 0:25:57 | |
finals in a. Trevor Dann is one of
the most influential radio producers | 0:25:57 | 0:26:04 | |
in the UK. But 40 years ago, he was
working at radio Nottingham and he | 0:26:04 | 0:26:09 | |
got an exclusive interview with
Johnny rotten the night before the | 0:26:09 | 0:26:12 | |
verdict. And that is the signature.
The only thing I can member is him | 0:26:12 | 0:26:23 | |
having a go at me for having long
hair. Which you kind of work. And he | 0:26:23 | 0:26:28 | |
had what we would now probably call
attitude. He is a fully paid-up | 0:26:28 | 0:26:32 | |
member of the awkward squad. Do
think he was worried about losing | 0:26:32 | 0:26:37 | |
the case? There were silly no case
of oh, I'm panicking because I might | 0:26:37 | 0:26:41 | |
be going to prison. I think you
would probably be disappointed that | 0:26:41 | 0:26:45 | |
they got off because he would like
to have been a cult hero. So how did | 0:26:45 | 0:26:52 | |
Virgin attempt to carry out one of
the great rock and roll swindle 's | 0:26:52 | 0:26:55 | |
and prove the case was cobblers?
They came here, to the English | 0:26:55 | 0:27:01 | |
department at the University of
Nottingham. What happened was the | 0:27:01 | 0:27:06 | |
word testicle came in from batting
and it displaced bullocks. So | 0:27:06 | 0:27:10 | |
bullocks became a low word. So
dropped? Sky as you might say it, it | 0:27:10 | 0:27:18 | |
dropped. It came to mean rubbish.
And the Professor was called to | 0:27:18 | 0:27:25 | |
court and told magistrates that it
was also slang for a priest. He | 0:27:25 | 0:27:32 | |
should have known because the author
was one. Here you have someone | 0:27:32 | 0:27:36 | |
speaking with authority to say that
the word was a perfectly respectable | 0:27:36 | 0:27:39 | |
word with an interesting history.
The case collapsed. Did you ever | 0:27:39 | 0:27:44 | |
hear use that word? Sky I'm afraid I
did. Goodlad. So the court case was | 0:27:44 | 0:27:52 | |
over, the Sex Pistols were over. The
record went back on sale on sold | 0:27:52 | 0:28:00 | |
hundreds of thousands of copies and
it became the most successful I'll | 0:28:00 | 0:28:02 | |
peak in history. And I can't wait to
get home to play. Oh, what? | 0:28:02 | 0:28:13 | |
Though... That's quite enough of
that! And I'm afraid it's enough of | 0:28:13 | 0:28:20 | |
this series of inside out, too. Will
be back in January but in the | 0:28:20 | 0:28:25 | |
meantime if you have a story that
you think we should be | 0:28:25 | 0:28:27 | |
investigating, why not drop me a
line? My e-mail address is: until | 0:28:27 | 0:28:35 | |
then, from all others on the table,
goodbye. -- from all of us on the | 0:28:35 | 0:28:43 | |
team. | 0:28:43 | 0:28:53 |