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Welcome to the start of a new series. I am in Essex, near Dale | 0:00:00 | 0:00:05 | |
Farm. I will be finding out just why this area became so attractive | 0:00:05 | 0:00:09 | |
to travellers. I meet the professor who helped the | 0:00:09 | 0:00:14 | |
first travellers make their homes here, 30 years ago. I did the first | 0:00:14 | 0:00:18 | |
appeal. He was the legal consultant to have the original families get | 0:00:19 | 0:00:24 | |
permission to live here. All so on the programme, quite | 0:00:24 | 0:00:29 | |
burning rubbish might be a waste of money. They have to feed this for | 0:00:29 | 0:00:34 | |
25 years. Clearly, they will not be recycling but burning. And we | 0:00:34 | 0:00:38 | |
examine compelling evidence that tiny creatures are responsible for | 0:00:38 | 0:00:45 | |
destroying part of our coastline. There is a crab in here! That's | 0:00:46 | 0:00:55 | |
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To just a mile or so from here is Dale Farm. I have been looking into | 0:01:10 | 0:01:18 | |
why it became the largest travellers' site in Britain. He it | 0:01:18 | 0:01:21 | |
is the largest travellers' site in Europe. | 0:01:21 | 0:01:25 | |
In August this year, after 10 years of battle with the council, the | 0:01:25 | 0:01:31 | |
travellers are on the brink of eviction. In the interests of | 0:01:31 | 0:01:36 | |
health and safety, is there anything I can say or do that will | 0:01:36 | 0:01:44 | |
persuade you to remove yourself in an orderly manner? Back at the 11th | 0:01:44 | 0:01:49 | |
hour, the clearance stops in its tracks. Arguments are submitted by | 0:01:49 | 0:01:54 | |
the travellers at the High Court. Every submission means more delays. | 0:01:54 | 0:01:59 | |
Feelings are running high among travellers and local residents. | 0:01:59 | 0:02:02 | |
have put in twice for planning permission and been turned down | 0:02:02 | 0:02:05 | |
twice, and I have accepted it because that is what the law has | 0:02:05 | 0:02:10 | |
said. See if they go ahead and stay there I will have the biggest house | 0:02:10 | 0:02:13 | |
you have ever seen on the smallest plot of land, and I don't care! | 0:02:13 | 0:02:19 | |
What we think, how we feel, is not relevant. It is against the law. It | 0:02:19 | 0:02:25 | |
is that simple. Not long before that first eviction attempt, I went | 0:02:25 | 0:02:28 | |
to Dale Farm to find out why they came, and to meet the man who | 0:02:28 | 0:02:33 | |
helped them make this their home in the first place. It is just two | 0:02:33 | 0:02:37 | |
weeks to go until the deadline for the eviction. But residents are | 0:02:37 | 0:02:45 | |
determined to fight and stayed. The site is a large rectangle, 150 | 0:02:45 | 0:02:51 | |
metres by about 350 metres. It is all owned by the travellers, but | 0:02:51 | 0:02:57 | |
about half of them do not have planning permission. The other half, | 0:02:57 | 0:03:01 | |
those but live on this side, too have planning permission. Basildon | 0:03:01 | 0:03:05 | |
council plan to remove everything on the so-called illegal side, but | 0:03:05 | 0:03:10 | |
now, the High Court has ruled even some of those homes are in fact | 0:03:10 | 0:03:16 | |
legal. Tensions are running high. And surprisingly, all visitors are | 0:03:16 | 0:03:22 | |
viewed with suspicion -- unsurprisingly. My name is Robert | 0:03:22 | 0:03:29 | |
home, I did the first appeals. These travellers might not remember | 0:03:29 | 0:03:33 | |
him, but this is the man who played a large part in starting it all. 30 | 0:03:33 | 0:03:37 | |
years ago, he was a legal consultant to help the original | 0:03:37 | 0:03:43 | |
families get permission to live here. So it is all my fault! I | 0:03:43 | 0:03:50 | |
started it! I was first involved when to gypsy families wanted | 0:03:50 | 0:03:56 | |
planning permission for single family plots here. And we fought it | 0:03:56 | 0:04:01 | |
against Basildon council, and we were successful. And they were I | 0:04:01 | 0:04:07 | |
think the first ever gypsy caravan pitches to be allowed here. Also in | 0:04:07 | 0:04:11 | |
the Green Belt. And then the Dale Farm development started later. | 0:04:11 | 0:04:16 | |
Where we are standing now, what was that like nearly 30 years ago? | 0:04:16 | 0:04:21 | |
not as developed as it is now, not as many of these brick walls and so | 0:04:21 | 0:04:29 | |
on. But there were houses down in this part that were actually in the | 0:04:29 | 0:04:38 | |
Green Belt, and a mixture of uses - small rural businesses. It is quite | 0:04:38 | 0:04:44 | |
a mixed area. And then the gypsy caravans came in. But there had | 0:04:44 | 0:04:50 | |
always been gypsy caravans in and around Basildon. Until 1994, | 0:04:50 | 0:04:54 | |
councils had a legal obligation to provide travellers sides. The law | 0:04:54 | 0:04:57 | |
changed when they were encouraged to buy their own land and applied | 0:04:57 | 0:05:03 | |
for planning permission. I came here in 2001. I came with no babies, | 0:05:03 | 0:05:10 | |
now I have four. Did they go to school here? Yes. Dale Farm has | 0:05:11 | 0:05:14 | |
been described as a honeypot. Because some families had | 0:05:14 | 0:05:20 | |
permission, others followed. All of us in politics know that you put a | 0:05:20 | 0:05:24 | |
travellers' site anywhere, it is going to be unpopular with the | 0:05:24 | 0:05:28 | |
local residents. But it does not mean we should not make that | 0:05:28 | 0:05:31 | |
revision. We have responsibilities. And that is the decision Basildon | 0:05:32 | 0:05:37 | |
took. But in terms of where we are soft touch, I do not think we were. | 0:05:37 | 0:05:42 | |
But we were probably perceived by the travellers to be a soft touch. | 0:05:42 | 0:05:46 | |
This part of Dale Farm, this looks like this is the area that has | 0:05:46 | 0:05:52 | |
planning permission. Do they have planning permission? Not here, no. | 0:05:52 | 0:05:55 | |
It is down the other end. But they had been here a number of years, | 0:05:55 | 0:06:00 | |
which is why it looks established. They had built brick walls. But if | 0:06:00 | 0:06:03 | |
they ever got planning permission, they would want to make | 0:06:03 | 0:06:07 | |
improvements, make it look better. The ones that got planning | 0:06:07 | 0:06:11 | |
permission got it in the 1990s on appeal. And when it came to this | 0:06:11 | 0:06:16 | |
part of the site, the council basic be said, enough is enough. We will | 0:06:16 | 0:06:20 | |
not allow any more. And there was a lot of public pressure on them as | 0:06:20 | 0:06:28 | |
well. 19th September. Eviction days. The world media is waiting, ready | 0:06:28 | 0:06:33 | |
for the moment the bailiffs move in. Activists move in and chain | 0:06:33 | 0:06:38 | |
themselves to the barricades. But it is stalemate. There will be no | 0:06:38 | 0:06:43 | |
eviction today. An injunction has been granted at the High Court, at | 0:06:43 | 0:06:47 | |
the last minute. And weeks of legal argument follow. | 0:06:47 | 0:06:51 | |
If this had happened anywhere else, it might have been argued out of | 0:06:51 | 0:06:55 | |
the public's view, and not people - - not many people would have known | 0:06:55 | 0:07:00 | |
what was going on. But the whole world is watching. What happens | 0:07:00 | 0:07:04 | |
here could influence the way councils deal with illegal | 0:07:04 | 0:07:10 | |
traveller sides in the future. Two weeks ago, as yet another | 0:07:10 | 0:07:16 | |
hearing is held, Professor home is there, seeing how the legal | 0:07:16 | 0:07:20 | |
arguments might change future actions. I think the main impact | 0:07:20 | 0:07:25 | |
would be on the accommodation assessment of what gypsies and | 0:07:25 | 0:07:30 | |
travellers need. And whether you can move against an unauthorised | 0:07:31 | 0:07:35 | |
encampment, if there is no alternative accommodation. And that | 0:07:35 | 0:07:41 | |
is what the United Nations is interested in. That you do not | 0:07:41 | 0:07:45 | |
forcibly evict people and less there are alternatives for them. | 0:07:45 | 0:07:48 | |
Finding alternatives is getting more difficult, and no one has come | 0:07:48 | 0:07:52 | |
up with an answer. If the travellers leave Dale Farm, where | 0:07:52 | 0:07:58 | |
will they go? I have spoken to leaders and members from other | 0:07:58 | 0:08:03 | |
authorities. And a number have said privately that, if it was a case of | 0:08:03 | 0:08:10 | |
at having to find 12 or 15 pictures, we could do it. But we saw what | 0:08:10 | 0:08:18 | |
happened at Oak Lane in Basildon. You provided it doesn't, you now | 0:08:18 | 0:08:22 | |
have the biggest site in Europe. We are not prepared to run that risk. | 0:08:22 | 0:08:27 | |
So actually, by abusing the planning law, the travellers have | 0:08:27 | 0:08:31 | |
damaged their prospects of getting local authorities to be on their | 0:08:31 | 0:08:36 | |
side. It is something where I think, if we look back on it, there is | 0:08:36 | 0:08:41 | |
very little that we could have done differently. You can always find | 0:08:41 | 0:08:45 | |
something you could change, but it would be at the fringes, rather | 0:08:45 | 0:08:48 | |
than anything at the core of the strategy. We have done the right | 0:08:48 | 0:08:52 | |
thing, we have done it for the right reasons. And I would do It | 0:08:52 | 0:09:01 | |
Again if we were now in 2002 again. October 12th, nearly a month after | 0:09:01 | 0:09:05 | |
the first attempt to move on to Dale Farm by the bailiffs. I judge | 0:09:05 | 0:09:09 | |
has thrown out their case for a judicial review. He said he found | 0:09:09 | 0:09:12 | |
it astonishing that they had delayed until nearly the day or | 0:09:12 | 0:09:18 | |
removal before making a legal challenge. The last chances at the | 0:09:18 | 0:09:23 | |
Court of Appeal. This afternoon, Monday 17th October, the hearing | 0:09:23 | 0:09:27 | |
came to an end. The Court of Appeal refused permission to appeal | 0:09:27 | 0:09:32 | |
against the eviction. At Dale Farm, residents and their supporters | 0:09:32 | 0:09:37 | |
reinforce the barricades and fences, and that the entire site in to lock | 0:09:37 | 0:09:41 | |
down in order to resist eviction. Basildon council says the eviction | 0:09:41 | 0:09:46 | |
will go ahead, at a time of their choosing. | 0:09:46 | 0:09:50 | |
Since his first involvement 30 years ago, Robert home has troubled | 0:09:50 | 0:09:53 | |
-- study travellers across the country, and says the issue has | 0:09:53 | 0:10:01 | |
been blown out of proportion. Gypsies are about one 10th of a % | 0:10:01 | 0:10:11 | |
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of the population. And the most reliable figures, there is a need | 0:10:12 | 0:10:16 | |
for 1,200 pictures. That is a tiny figure in relation to the general | 0:10:16 | 0:10:21 | |
housing targets that are being produced. You could fit those | 0:10:21 | 0:10:25 | |
numbers on to one District Council's housing target. When you | 0:10:25 | 0:10:29 | |
first got involved, did you ever anticipate it would grow to the | 0:10:29 | 0:10:32 | |
size it is now? I would not have imagined that the problem would | 0:10:32 | 0:10:36 | |
still be running, all these years later. But looking back in | 0:10:36 | 0:10:43 | |
retrospect, it is not such a surprise. | 0:10:43 | 0:10:50 | |
For all the latest developments, lit East at 6:30pm on weekdays. If | 0:10:50 | 0:10:54 | |
there is something you think we should investigate, you can you may | 0:10:54 | 0:11:03 | |
look -- e-mail me. Later, are crabs responsible for | 0:11:03 | 0:11:09 | |
destroying our retreating Shore's? It is resisting! Almost certainly, | 0:11:09 | 0:11:17 | |
they are involved. The Bangkok as it is like a Swiss cheese. | 0:11:17 | 0:11:21 | |
More than half of our waste is thrown into landfill, it is | 0:11:21 | 0:11:24 | |
expensive and bad for the environment. But what are the other | 0:11:24 | 0:11:29 | |
options? We could recycle more, or dump less rubbish into the ground. | 0:11:29 | 0:11:39 | |
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We could burn instead of burying. Across the East of England, we have | 0:11:57 | 0:12:01 | |
a big and very expensive problem. Rubbish, and how to get rid of it. | 0:12:01 | 0:12:04 | |
Dumping it in the ground has become too expensive. One solution is to | 0:12:04 | 0:12:07 | |
burn it. This industrial site on the outskirts of King's Lynn is | 0:12:07 | 0:12:10 | |
where Norfolk County Council plans to burn our household rubbish by | 0:12:10 | 0:12:13 | |
using a private company to build over here. Local people don't want | 0:12:13 | 0:12:15 | |
the incinerator on their doorstep, because of pollution concerns. But | 0:12:15 | 0:12:18 | |
the council is pushing ahead because it believes it will save | 0:12:18 | 0:12:21 | |
millions once it is up and running. Cory-Wheelabrator, a private | 0:12:21 | 0:12:24 | |
company, is to build the plant. And the council will sign a 25 year | 0:12:24 | 0:12:27 | |
contract costing �500 million. Once built, it will burn 170,000 tonnes | 0:12:27 | 0:12:30 | |
of Norfolk's waste every year. If you are having trouble imagining | 0:12:30 | 0:12:33 | |
how much rubbish is going to go up in smoke, take this bag and | 0:12:33 | 0:12:36 | |
multiply it by 200,000. That's how much will go to the incinerator | 0:12:36 | 0:12:39 | |
every week - a massive 170,000 tonnes. But there are some who | 0:12:39 | 0:12:42 | |
believe that generating this amount of rubbish to go to the incinerator | 0:12:42 | 0:12:45 | |
could have an effect on recycling. The Knights family have a farm near | 0:12:45 | 0:12:50 | |
the incinerator site. They are proposing to build it literally two | 0:12:50 | 0:12:56 | |
miles in that direction, just past the trees. Mike spear-headed the | 0:12:56 | 0:13:01 | |
campaign against the incinerator over worries about pollution. He's | 0:13:01 | 0:13:08 | |
now more concerned about the long- term impact on recycling. So, what | 0:13:08 | 0:13:11 | |
do we have in here? It serves the purpose of being the campaign | 0:13:11 | 0:13:14 | |
headquarters. We are having some of our meetings in here, and preparing | 0:13:14 | 0:13:18 | |
some of our stuff. This county is not very impressive with what it | 0:13:18 | 0:13:21 | |
recycles. They are well down in the pecking order. Others are far | 0:13:21 | 0:13:24 | |
better. We could be much better, but if you know that you have to | 0:13:24 | 0:13:27 | |
meet 170,000 tonnes and you're running short. Well, the obvious | 0:13:27 | 0:13:37 | |
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thing is not to keep improving your recycling rate to feed this beast. | 0:13:43 | 0:13:53 | |
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We will get penalised for not They will not be recycling, they | 0:14:10 | 0:14:14 | |
will be burning. In a recent case, a rigid a finance | 0:14:14 | 0:14:19 | |
agreement was struck in Stoke for an incinerator. The city council is | 0:14:19 | 0:14:23 | |
in a wrangle after being sold at built by the contractor for not | 0:14:23 | 0:14:28 | |
earning enough waste. In Norfolk, 43 % of household | 0:14:28 | 0:14:33 | |
rubbish is recycled. Next door, Cambridge recycles more than half | 0:14:33 | 0:14:38 | |
its ways. It's that their best council in the country. It has | 0:14:38 | 0:14:42 | |
reduced the amount it sent to landfill, because it reduces the | 0:14:42 | 0:14:48 | |
food they end up in Arab bins. 70,000 tons of it. I had been | 0:14:48 | 0:14:54 | |
invited to a site where the food is turned into something useful. | 0:14:54 | 0:14:59 | |
is a kitchen and food waste from households in Cambridge. We turn it | 0:14:59 | 0:15:05 | |
into compost. We taking about 70,000 tonnes a year. So you are | 0:15:05 | 0:15:08 | |
bringing in rubbish, 70,000 tons of it, you were turning it into | 0:15:08 | 0:15:15 | |
something useful? Rubbish is a strong word! It is good, organic | 0:15:15 | 0:15:19 | |
material. There is a small amount of contamination you can see around | 0:15:19 | 0:15:24 | |
you in the plastic that comes in. But it is all good base material. | 0:15:24 | 0:15:32 | |
And it goes straight back out onto the farmland. It goes into food | 0:15:32 | 0:15:38 | |
production, back into the loop. Pack into the household of | 0:15:38 | 0:15:43 | |
Cambridgeshire. Norfolk county council say it is encouraging | 0:15:43 | 0:15:47 | |
districts to recycle more food waste, and offering financial | 0:15:47 | 0:15:51 | |
incentives. Unfortunately, and the two councils are operating the | 0:15:51 | 0:15:59 | |
scheme. Our long-term target is to meet 50 % of all recycled waste. | 0:15:59 | 0:16:03 | |
And we are putting more money forward for district councils in | 0:16:04 | 0:16:08 | |
kitchen waste recycling. Kitchen waste and food waste is a long-term | 0:16:08 | 0:16:12 | |
plan? If effect is the case, had come only two councils are working | 0:16:12 | 0:16:16 | |
in that area. It is up to each local council to make its decision | 0:16:16 | 0:16:21 | |
about what it wants to do. We spoke to the other district | 0:16:21 | 0:16:25 | |
councils. They said that even with the financial incentive, it is too | 0:16:25 | 0:16:30 | |
expensive. Some of that still has a long way to go to up its recycling | 0:16:30 | 0:16:34 | |
target, which is why its landfill costs are so high. | 0:16:34 | 0:16:38 | |
Dr Chris Edwards thinks the council could save more money if it simply | 0:16:38 | 0:16:45 | |
recycled more. If you push forward with a recycling plant, you can | 0:16:45 | 0:16:50 | |
recycle up to 65 %, at least. Many of the best councils in the UK are | 0:16:50 | 0:16:56 | |
doing that. There is no reason why you cannot recycle something like | 0:16:56 | 0:17:03 | |
60 or 65 % by the end of this decade, each 2020. That means that | 0:17:03 | 0:17:10 | |
the amount that has to be put in landfill reduces. He believes the | 0:17:10 | 0:17:15 | |
councillor's -- has to dust -- the council has adjusted its forecast. | 0:17:15 | 0:17:20 | |
What the council has done, from about November 2010, it has changed | 0:17:20 | 0:17:25 | |
its forecast. Because it realised that it needs 170,000 tonnes to go | 0:17:25 | 0:17:32 | |
to the incinerator. So it has forecast a recycling rate of 47 %. | 0:17:32 | 0:17:37 | |
We ought to be doing much better than that. But that conveniently | 0:17:37 | 0:17:44 | |
leaves the amount for incineration. At over 200,000 tonnes, or well | 0:17:44 | 0:17:49 | |
over 170,000 tonnes. It squares the circle. The council say what they | 0:17:49 | 0:17:53 | |
sent to the incinerator will not change their recycling initiatives. | 0:17:53 | 0:17:57 | |
Tell me why that figure was 50 % a couple of years ago, and has gone | 0:17:57 | 0:18:04 | |
down. For that is based on what is happening now a. To get to 50 and | 0:18:04 | 0:18:10 | |
above, we would need more recycling to be done, and to make the money | 0:18:10 | 0:18:16 | |
available for kitchen waste collections. The council believes | 0:18:16 | 0:18:19 | |
that they are burning -- their burning contract will work. And | 0:18:19 | 0:18:22 | |
even if it falls short, it will still be cheaper than dumping it in | 0:18:22 | 0:18:27 | |
the ground. Is there a penalty per tonnage if you do not hit the | 0:18:27 | 0:18:31 | |
target? No. So there is no compensation that can change hands | 0:18:31 | 0:18:35 | |
between yourself and the company if you do not hit the target? No, but | 0:18:35 | 0:18:40 | |
we would have to pay a fixed charge for the facility, which would be | 0:18:40 | 0:18:44 | |
expensive. That would still be cheaper than having waste disposal. | 0:18:44 | 0:18:47 | |
Even if they fall short of household waste, they say | 0:18:47 | 0:18:57 | |
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Apology for the loss of subtitles for 51 seconds | 0:18:57 | 0:19:49 | |
commercial waste is always there to fill the gap. Rather than the waves | 0:19:49 | 0:19:52 | |
hitting hard sea walls, the salt marsh takes the energy out of the | 0:19:52 | 0:19:54 | |
waves with the tides constantly filling and emptying these creeks | 0:19:54 | 0:19:57 | |
and gullies. But this is a landscape in deep trouble. You | 0:19:57 | 0:20:01 | |
don't have to look far to see that, in places, the salt marsh is | 0:20:01 | 0:20:04 | |
vanishing fast. I've lived near the River Deben all my life, and there | 0:20:04 | 0:20:07 | |
are now changes happening that I do not understand. So, Robert - how | 0:20:07 | 0:20:10 | |
long have you lived on the river? Well, I've lived beside the river | 0:20:10 | 0:20:15 | |
all my life, I've been on it since I was a small boy. If you go up and | 0:20:15 | 0:20:18 | |
down it enough, you get to know it very well. People would normally | 0:20:18 | 0:20:22 | |
know their garden. I know the river, all the bits of the river. And a | 0:20:22 | 0:20:27 | |
lifetime spent on the Deben has led Robert to a startling conclusion. | 0:20:27 | 0:20:32 | |
The destruction of the salt marsh could be down to the humble crab. | 0:20:32 | 0:20:42 | |
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Crickey - a lot! They are like maritime rabbits. Really, they | 0:20:49 | 0:20:59 | |
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burrow everywhere and they breed like mad. You can usually see the | 0:21:04 | 0:21:09 | |
crab holes, you can see the whole side is burrowed out. | 0:21:09 | 0:21:12 | |
You are going against what the Environment Agency said, which is | 0:21:12 | 0:21:17 | |
at sea level rise is to blame for the demise of the salt marshes, and | 0:21:17 | 0:21:22 | |
their whole policy is based around that fact. The government and the | 0:21:22 | 0:21:27 | |
civil servants in London have got fixated on sea level rise, global | 0:21:27 | 0:21:31 | |
warming. They have not bothered to look at anything else. In fact, | 0:21:31 | 0:21:36 | |
they have refused to discuss anything else. He is not alone in | 0:21:36 | 0:21:41 | |
his suspicions. Richard Stewart devotes much of his retirement to | 0:21:41 | 0:21:46 | |
studying salt marsh loss. He also what -- believes that crabs are the | 0:21:46 | 0:21:50 | |
culprit. These are photographs from other estuaries, showing | 0:21:50 | 0:21:55 | |
significant levels of erosion of the salt marsh. And in this | 0:21:55 | 0:21:59 | |
particular photograph, you can see that at least 50 % of the marsh has | 0:21:59 | 0:22:04 | |
been eaten away. In this one even more so. This is a photograph of | 0:22:04 | 0:22:10 | |
this river, it also shows very significant salt marsh loss. So, an | 0:22:11 | 0:22:17 | |
alarming decline? And the reason, in your view? It certainly is not | 0:22:17 | 0:22:24 | |
sea level rise. You say that, but sea levels are rising year after | 0:22:24 | 0:22:27 | |
year. And we are told it is squeezing the salt marsh and that | 0:22:27 | 0:22:32 | |
is why we are losing it. It has not risen any more than it has done in | 0:22:32 | 0:22:39 | |
the last 400 years. It is exactly the same, roughly 3.4 mm per year. | 0:22:39 | 0:22:43 | |
His point is that although sea levels are rising, the rate is | 0:22:43 | 0:22:47 | |
small. So the salt marsh should be able to keep up with it, providing | 0:22:47 | 0:22:52 | |
a natural defence. Instead, areas are being destroyed, leading him to | 0:22:52 | 0:22:58 | |
only one conclusion. Two shore crab erosion. The trouble with all of | 0:22:58 | 0:23:03 | |
this is that it is just a series. Richard and Robert might be onto | 0:23:03 | 0:23:09 | |
something. Shore crabs could be the culprits. But there is no real | 0:23:09 | 0:23:16 | |
science behind what they say. So we have asked Dr Rob Hughes to come | 0:23:16 | 0:23:22 | |
down and find out what is going on. What are you looking for? | 0:23:22 | 0:23:32 | |
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foreshore crabs. I am looking for ragworm. We know that ragworm are | 0:23:32 | 0:23:37 | |
responsible for salt marsh erosion. And we know that these animals, | 0:23:37 | 0:23:43 | |
these worms had increased in abundance. Over the last 15 years. | 0:23:43 | 0:23:47 | |
The ragworms burrow into the mud and feed on plant seedlings, | 0:23:47 | 0:23:52 | |
stopping you salt marsh growing. What about numbers? Why have they | 0:23:52 | 0:23:58 | |
increased? We now know that there are large population densities | 0:23:58 | 0:24:02 | |
around sewage outfalls. And we know from looking on their -- at their | 0:24:02 | 0:24:06 | |
food that they are feeding on Aldi that has been enriched by nitrogen | 0:24:06 | 0:24:11 | |
comic from sewage. We do not have the evidence, but the suspicion is | 0:24:11 | 0:24:16 | |
that the shore crabs are feeding on the same Aki as the ragworms, and | 0:24:16 | 0:24:21 | |
they may also be feeding on them. So it could beat that pollution is | 0:24:21 | 0:24:26 | |
fuelling an increase in shore crab numbers? Yes, and there is | 0:24:26 | 0:24:29 | |
anecdotal evidence from local fishermen who no longer bother to | 0:24:29 | 0:24:33 | |
come here because the crabs steal their bait. While we have been | 0:24:33 | 0:24:38 | |
looking at the worms, Richard has found a barrel. There is a crab in | 0:24:38 | 0:24:44 | |
here! There is a crab! There is definitely a chamber, and I know | 0:24:44 | 0:24:52 | |
there is a crabber there. It is resisting. Do you think Richard is | 0:24:52 | 0:24:55 | |
on to something here? Do you think that shore crabs are to blame for | 0:24:55 | 0:25:01 | |
the demise of the Shure? Almost certainly they are involved. You | 0:25:01 | 0:25:08 | |
can see they are destabilising the marsh. We know they are capable of | 0:25:08 | 0:25:12 | |
making these burrows, we do not know why they do it or if they are | 0:25:12 | 0:25:16 | |
permanent or temporary. If you look at the bank opposite, you can see | 0:25:16 | 0:25:20 | |
that it is like a Swiss cheese. the rate of salt marsh loss | 0:25:21 | 0:25:26 | |
continues as it is at the moment, how serious will that be? The first | 0:25:26 | 0:25:29 | |
thing that needs to be appreciated either causes of the loss. As | 0:25:29 | 0:25:34 | |
Richard said, it is not sea level rise. It is internal disintegration, | 0:25:34 | 0:25:41 | |
caused by the Russian. And we know the invertebrates are involved. -- | 0:25:41 | 0:25:47 | |
erosion. You seem to be saying that the government is not listening to | 0:25:47 | 0:25:52 | |
science. It is peddling or pursuing another story. That is right. They | 0:25:52 | 0:25:58 | |
had the idea that Saltmarshe loss is due to civil -- sea level rise. | 0:25:58 | 0:26:04 | |
Nowhere in the world is there an ecologist at believes that. It is | 0:26:04 | 0:26:08 | |
well established that they agreed with sea level. So why is the | 0:26:08 | 0:26:17 | |
government ignoring your view? not know. I do not understand it. | 0:26:17 | 0:26:21 | |
If salt marsh loss is not due to sea level rise, then it is big news | 0:26:21 | 0:26:24 | |
for the east coast. Millions of pounds are being spent trying to | 0:26:25 | 0:26:29 | |
create new areas of salt marsh to replace those being lost. Does | 0:26:29 | 0:26:34 | |
anyone in authority believe crabs are the problem? They could be in | 0:26:34 | 0:26:39 | |
some areas, but not all areas. You have to look at the big picture. We | 0:26:39 | 0:26:44 | |
have played around with the rivers, put in walls and developments. The | 0:26:44 | 0:26:48 | |
channels change all the time. That is why the estuaries are dynamic | 0:26:48 | 0:26:52 | |
force of so what should they do? They simply feel that no one is | 0:26:52 | 0:26:59 | |
listening to them if people have benefited idea is, they can always | 0:26:59 | 0:27:03 | |
come and ask, tried to develop ideas and see if they can get some | 0:27:03 | 0:27:08 | |
funding. Local studies may be welcome, but the Environment Agency | 0:27:08 | 0:27:12 | |
said it would not be feasible to carry out a detailed study to | 0:27:12 | 0:27:18 | |
assess the sole effect of crabs. It says are the victors -- factors are | 0:27:18 | 0:27:23 | |
considered, and sea level rise remains its focus. It | 0:27:23 | 0:27:27 | |
responsibility is to respond to man-made activities. But what if | 0:27:27 | 0:27:31 | |
they have got it wrong? government agency believe it is sea | 0:27:31 | 0:27:35 | |
level rise. We know that is not so. We need to convince them there are | 0:27:35 | 0:27:41 | |
other options, other reasons. Other options for management. And take it | 0:27:41 | 0:27:45 | |
from their. We need to do more science. | 0:27:45 | 0:27:49 | |
If they are right, it would not be the first time that a couple of | 0:27:49 | 0:27:53 | |
enthusiastic amateurs that challenged the received wisdom | 0:27:53 | 0:27:57 | |
turned it on its head. Until we know, I think I will give this | 0:27:58 | 0:28:07 | |
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