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Tonight, the case for closing the Tonight, the case for closing the

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Tonight, the case for closing the door. We investigate the shops

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door. We investigate the shops door. We investigate the shops

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claiming to be green, throwing claiming to be green, throwing

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claiming to be green, throwing claiming to be green, throwing

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money out of the door. There is a money out of the door. There is a

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money out of the door. There is a wide-open shopfront there. The snow

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wide-open shopfront there. The snow wide-open shopfront there. The snow

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was melting on the pavement outside. was melting on the pavement outside.

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was melting on the pavement outside. Respecting your last wishes. We

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Respecting your last wishes. We Respecting your last wishes. We

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investigate the rise in rows over investigate the rise in rows over

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investigate the rise in rows over Wales. They left everything to each

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Wales. They left everything to each Wales. They left everything to each

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Wales. They left everything to each other, and when the last one died,

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other, and when the last one died, other, and when the last one died,

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everything went to the RSPCA. everything went to the RSPCA.

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everything went to the RSPCA. And meet the people fighting to

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And meet the people fighting to protect our historical treasure

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protect our historical treasure protect our historical treasure

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protect our historical treasure from thieves. All we want is our

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from thieves. All we want is our from thieves. All we want is our

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heritage protected. If it carries heritage protected. If it carries

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heritage protected. If it carries heritage protected. If it carries

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on at this rate, they might a be on at this rate, they might a be

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on at this rate, they might a be any left for future generations.

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any left for future generations. any left for future generations.

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any left for future generations. The story that matter where we live,

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The story that matter where we live, The story that matter where we live,

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The story that matter where we live, Tonight, Inside Out is in Milton

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Tonight, Inside Out is in Milton Tonight, Inside Out is in Milton

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Keynes. We have had some really Keynes. We have had some really

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Keynes. We have had some really Keynes. We have had some really

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cold weather this winter and we are cold weather this winter and we are

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cold weather this winter and we are cold weather this winter and we are

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all trying to save energy to cut all trying to save energy to cut

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all trying to save energy to cut our bills. Buildings used a

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our bills. Buildings used a our bills. Buildings used a

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staggering 40% of all the energy staggering 40% of all the energy

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staggering 40% of all the energy staggering 40% of all the energy

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used in the UK. It is pretty used in the UK. It is pretty

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surprising that many high-street surprising that many high-street

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surprising that many high-street shops are literally sh -- throwing

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shops are literally sh -- throwing shops are literally sh -- throwing

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shops are literally sh -- throwing money and energy out of the doors.

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money and energy out of the doors. money and energy out of the doors.

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money and energy out of the doors. We went for this special camera to

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investigate. investigate.

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investigate. We know that heating costs are

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We know that heating costs are We know that heating costs are

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We know that heating costs are rising and we are told that the

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rising and we are told that the rising and we are told that the

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planet is warming because of ass planet is warming because of ass

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planet is warming because of ass emissions. But in winter, there is

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emissions. But in winter, there is emissions. But in winter, there is

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emissions. But in winter, there is an easy way that shops can reduce

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an easy way that shops can reduce an easy way that shops can reduce

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an easy way that shops can reduce their emissions, by up to 50%. They

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their emissions, by up to 50%. They their emissions, by up to 50%. They

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could simply close their doors. But could simply close their doors. But

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could simply close their doors. But could simply close their doors. But

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some shops have a policy to reduce some shops have a policy to reduce

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some shops have a policy to reduce some shops have a policy to reduce

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energy use but they are not as energy use but they are not as

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energy use but they are not as environmentally aware -- aware as

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environmentally aware -- aware as environmentally aware -- aware as

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environmentally aware -- aware as you might think. You can't see heat

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you might think. You can't see heat you might think. You can't see heat

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being lost but with a thermal being lost but with a thermal

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being lost but with a thermal imaging camera, it is clear. The

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imaging camera, it is clear. The imaging camera, it is clear. The

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brighter colours are the Potter brighter colours are the Potter

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brighter colours are the Potter areas. The darker areas are colder.

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areas. The darker areas are colder. areas. The darker areas are colder.

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-- they are the brighter areas. -- they are the brighter areas.

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-- they are the brighter areas. Here at Waterstones, you can see

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Here at Waterstones, you can see Here at Waterstones, you can see

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Here at Waterstones, you can see where they have won a set of doors

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where they have won a set of doors where they have won a set of doors

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where they have won a set of doors shut and the other one open. Some

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shut and the other one open. Some shut and the other one open. Some

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friends in Cambridge felt so friends in Cambridge felt so

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friends in Cambridge felt so strongly they started a campaign to

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strongly they started a campaign to strongly they started a campaign to

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encourage shops to close their encourage shops to close their

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encourage shops to close their doors. We suddenly noticed how many

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doors. We suddenly noticed how many doors. We suddenly noticed how many

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doors. We suddenly noticed how many shops in Cambridge had the shop --

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shops in Cambridge had the shop -- shops in Cambridge had the shop --

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shops in Cambridge had the shop -- had their doors are wide open. And

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had their doors are wide open. And had their doors are wide open. And

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Jeannie said, we should do Jeannie said, we should do

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Jeannie said, we should do something about this. It was

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something about this. It was something about this. It was

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particularly bad because we were particularly bad because we were

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particularly bad because we were particularly bad because we were

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walking into WH Smith and there was walking into WH Smith and there was

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walking into WH Smith and there was walking into WH Smith and there was

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a wide open a shop front there and a wide open a shop front there and

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a wide open a shop front there and the snow was melting on the

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the snow was melting on the the snow was melting on the

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pavement outside. It just seemed pavement outside. It just seemed

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pavement outside. It just seemed really quite is serious thing. It

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really quite is serious thing. It really quite is serious thing. It

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really quite is serious thing. It seemed a very good idea to sit down

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seemed a very good idea to sit down seemed a very good idea to sit down

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seemed a very good idea to sit down and work out what it was really

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and work out what it was really and work out what it was really

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worth for them to do something worth for them to do something

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worth for them to do something about it. That's how it started.

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about it. That's how it started. about it. That's how it started.

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They have had some success and They have had some success and

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They have had some success and persuaded about 500 jobs to close

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persuaded about 500 jobs to close persuaded about 500 jobs to close

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persuaded about 500 jobs to close the door. The first thing we did

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the door. The first thing we did the door. The first thing we did

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was to visit shops ourselves and was to visit shops ourselves and

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was to visit shops ourselves and walk around to hundreds of shops

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walk around to hundreds of shops walk around to hundreds of shops

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walk around to hundreds of shops and Cambridge and talk to staff and

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and Cambridge and talk to staff and and Cambridge and talk to staff and

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managers there and find out what managers there and find out what

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managers there and find out what their attitude work and try to

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their attitude work and try to their attitude work and try to

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persuade them to kick off his persuade them to kick off his

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persuade them to kick off his campaign. This company always used

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campaign. This company always used campaign. This company always used

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campaign. This company always used to have its doors open and now look,

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to have its doors open and now look, to have its doors open and now look,

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to have its doors open and now look, there is a sign, and they have

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there is a sign, and they have there is a sign, and they have

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opened it up. Fantastic. Most opened it up. Fantastic. Most

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people listened. Especially the people listened. Especially the

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people listened. Especially the Independents, because they have to

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Independents, because they have to Independents, because they have to

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Independents, because they have to pay their own bills. But in a

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pay their own bills. But in a pay their own bills. But in a

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pay their own bills. But in a recession, it is it really fair to

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recession, it is it really fair to recession, it is it really fair to

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recession, it is it really fair to ask a shop to close their doors?

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ask a shop to close their doors? ask a shop to close their doors?

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It's more important than ever. For It's more important than ever. For

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It's more important than ever. For It's more important than ever. For

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years, it has been thought that if years, it has been thought that if

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years, it has been thought that if years, it has been thought that if

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you shut the door, no one will come you shut the door, no one will come

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you shut the door, no one will come you shut the door, no one will come

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in and that will equate to reduce in and that will equate to reduce

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in and that will equate to reduce profits. We have plenty of

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profits. We have plenty of profits. We have plenty of

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profits. We have plenty of information to show that it is not

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information to show that it is not information to show that it is not

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information to show that it is not a risk. On top of that, we can't

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a risk. On top of that, we can't a risk. On top of that, we can't

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a risk. On top of that, we can't afford it. It is not just climate

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afford it. It is not just climate afford it. It is not just climate

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afford it. It is not just climate change, but that money, to pay for

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change, but that money, to pay for change, but that money, to pay for

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change, but that money, to pay for the wasted energy, has to come from

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the wasted energy, has to come from the wasted energy, has to come from

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the wasted energy, has to come from somewhere and it goes on the price

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somewhere and it goes on the price somewhere and it goes on the price

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somewhere and it goes on the price of goods. So, it seems to be a

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of goods. So, it seems to be a of goods. So, it seems to be a

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waste of money and energy. Andy waste of money and energy. Andy

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waste of money and energy. Andy Brown is an engineer and

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Brown is an engineer and specialises in making buildings

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specialises in making buildings energy-efficient. Buildings used

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energy-efficient. Buildings used energy-efficient. Buildings used

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about 40% of our national energy about 40% of our national energy

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consumption. And a similar consumption. And a similar

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consumption. And a similar proportion other CO2 emissions. A

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proportion other CO2 emissions. A proportion other CO2 emissions. A

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really substantial use of resources. really substantial use of resources.

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really substantial use of resources. really substantial use of resources.

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Is it possible to leave the door Is it possible to leave the door

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Is it possible to leave the door Is it possible to leave the door

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open in cold weather and not lose open in cold weather and not lose

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open in cold weather and not lose energy? I don't think it is.

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energy? I don't think it is. energy? I don't think it is.

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Obviously, there will be cold air Obviously, there will be cold air

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Obviously, there will be cold air coming in and the normal solution

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coming in and the normal solution coming in and the normal solution

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is putting an enormous fan heater is putting an enormous fan heater

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is putting an enormous fan heater is putting an enormous fan heater

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over the door. It is just an over the door. It is just an

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over the door. It is just an enormous fan heater over the door,

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enormous fan heater over the door, enormous fan heater over the door,

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not a solution. It sounds like not a solution. It sounds like

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common sense and Cambridge common sense and Cambridge

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University has conducted scientific University has conducted scientific

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University has conducted scientific research which proves how effective

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research which proves how effective research which proves how effective

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research which proves how effective closed doors can be. This is one of

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closed doors can be. This is one of closed doors can be. This is one of

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the shops that was monitored to the shops that was monitored to

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the shops that was monitored to the shops that was monitored to

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work out how a reduction works when work out how a reduction works when

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work out how a reduction works when doors are shut. It shows that

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doors are shut. It shows that doors are shut. It shows that

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doors are shut. It shows that reductions of up to 50% can be

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reductions of up to 50% can be reductions of up to 50% can be

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achieved. We were approached to get achieved. We were approached to get

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achieved. We were approached to get achieved. We were approached to get

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involved and we thought it would be involved and we thought it would be

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involved and we thought it would be a good opportunity because, as a

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a good opportunity because, as a a good opportunity because, as a

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small business, we always try to small business, we always try to

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small business, we always try to reduce costs. Heating cost are

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reduce costs. Heating cost are reduce costs. Heating cost are

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quite high. A nice gentleman came quite high. A nice gentleman came

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quite high. A nice gentleman came in and monitored the number of

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in and monitored the number of in and monitored the number of

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customers coming through the door. customers coming through the door.

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customers coming through the door. customers coming through the door.

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That was also useful for us because That was also useful for us because

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That was also useful for us because That was also useful for us because

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it gave us an idea of our foot- it gave us an idea of our foot-

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it gave us an idea of our foot- it gave us an idea of our foot-

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fault on a daily basis. We had fault on a daily basis. We had

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fault on a daily basis. We had monitors positioned in about eight

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monitors positioned in about eight monitors positioned in about eight

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positions around the shop and we positions around the shop and we

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positions around the shop and we showed that the temperature rose

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showed that the temperature rose showed that the temperature rose

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steadily throughout the day by steadily throughout the day by

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steadily throughout the day by keeping the door shut. So, really

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keeping the door shut. So, really keeping the door shut. So, really

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useful? Yes, very useful. Concrete useful? Yes, very useful. Concrete

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useful? Yes, very useful. Concrete evidence. It has reduced the

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evidence. It has reduced the evidence. It has reduced the

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electricity bill and although we electricity bill and although we

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electricity bill and although we have seen a rise in electricity

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have seen a rise in electricity have seen a rise in electricity

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prices, the bill overall his Lola. prices, the bill overall his Lola.

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prices, the bill overall his Lola. prices, the bill overall his Lola.

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We have used the he -- the heating We have used the he -- the heating

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We have used the he -- the heating system far less. What about foot

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system far less. What about foot system far less. What about foot

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system far less. What about foot for? It does not affect food for.

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for? It does not affect food for. for? It does not affect food for.

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for? It does not affect food for. We are creative about what we put

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We are creative about what we put We are creative about what we put

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We are creative about what we put in the windows and we make sure

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in the windows and we make sure in the windows and we make sure

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in the windows and we make sure people know that we are open. As

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people know that we are open. As people know that we are open. As

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far as customers are concerned, we far as customers are concerned, we

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far as customers are concerned, we far as customers are concerned, we

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offer a high level of customer care offer a high level of customer care

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offer a high level of customer care offer a high level of customer care

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because we jump on the door to open because we jump on the door to open

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because we jump on the door to open the door when someone arrives.

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the door when someone arrives. the door when someone arrives.

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People can be coming in with People can be coming in with

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People can be coming in with buggies. We went back onto the

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buggies. We went back onto the buggies. We went back onto the

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buggies. We went back onto the street to see how many shops we

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street to see how many shops we street to see how many shops we

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could find wasting energy. Here we could find wasting energy. Here we

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could find wasting energy. Here we are at WH Smith. They have

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are at WH Smith. They have are at WH Smith. They have

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automatic doors, but they are wide automatic doors, but they are wide

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automatic doors, but they are wide open and the yellow speaks for

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open and the yellow speaks for open and the yellow speaks for

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open and the yellow speaks for itself. Wh Smith told us that they

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itself. Wh Smith told us that they itself. Wh Smith told us that they

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continually look for ways to reduce continually look for ways to reduce

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continually look for ways to reduce continually look for ways to reduce

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the amount of energy they use and the amount of energy they use and

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the amount of energy they use and that there automatic doors should

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that there automatic doors should that there automatic doors should

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that there automatic doors should open and close with the flow of

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open and close with the flow of open and close with the flow of

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customers at the store. But today, customers at the store. But today,

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we have temperatures around we have temperatures around

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we have temperatures around we have temperatures around

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freezing and the door has been open freezing and the door has been open

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freezing and the door has been open for around five minutes. Now, you

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for around five minutes. Now, you for around five minutes. Now, you

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for around five minutes. Now, you may think that this is a pretty

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may think that this is a pretty environmentally friendly shop. On

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environmentally friendly shop. On environmentally friendly shop. On

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the website, they say that caring the website, they say that caring

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the website, they say that caring the website, they say that caring

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about the environment is one of its about the environment is one of its

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about the environment is one of its top priorities. They have signed up

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top priorities. They have signed up top priorities. They have signed up

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to the climate revolution. But this to the climate revolution. But this

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to the climate revolution. But this to the climate revolution. But this

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is then Norwich branch on one of is then Norwich branch on one of

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is then Norwich branch on one of is then Norwich branch on one of

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the coldest days of this year. Lush the coldest days of this year. Lush

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the coldest days of this year. Lush told us that there shop managers

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told us that there shop managers told us that there shop managers

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told us that there shop managers can decide to close the door but

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can decide to close the door but can decide to close the door but

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can decide to close the door but they also said it that the Norwich

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they also said it that the Norwich they also said it that the Norwich

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and Cambridge stores are on the and Cambridge stores are on the

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and Cambridge stores are on the Ecotricity tariffs which means that

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Ecotricity tariffs which means that Ecotricity tariffs which means that

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Ecotricity tariffs which means that energy loss from doors of one not

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energy loss from doors of one not energy loss from doors of one not

:08:19.:08:20.

result in higher bills. Ecotricity result in higher bills. Ecotricity

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result in higher bills. Ecotricity result in higher bills. Ecotricity

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told us that they do not have the told us that they do not have the

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told us that they do not have the zero emissions. According to the

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zero emissions. According to the zero emissions. According to the

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climate revolution we could all climate revolution we could all

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climate revolution we could all climate revolution we could all

:08:27.:08:28.

save money and save the planet by save money and save the planet by

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save money and save the planet by turning down our thermostat and

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turning down our thermostat and turning down our thermostat and

:08:31.:08:33.

insulating our homes. But does not insulating our homes. But does not

:08:33.:08:34.

insulating our homes. But does not insulating our homes. But does not

:08:34.:08:36.

seem to apply to Large hurt -- seem to apply to Large hurt --

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seem to apply to Large hurt -- shops. Jeannie is trying to

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shops. Jeannie is trying to shops. Jeannie is trying to

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persuade all the shops to close persuade all the shops to close

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their doors including high-street their doors including high-street

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their doors including high-street their doors including high-street

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chains. He we are coming up to Next. chains. He we are coming up to Next.

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chains. He we are coming up to Next. You see the doors here, wide-open

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You see the doors here, wide-open You see the doors here, wide-open

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You see the doors here, wide-open on this freezing cold day. This is

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on this freezing cold day. This is on this freezing cold day. This is

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on this freezing cold day. This is the same picture in stores all over

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the same picture in stores all over the same picture in stores all over

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the country. We have tried the country. We have tried

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the country. We have tried everything from store manager level.

:09:02.:09:04.

everything from store manager level. everything from store manager level.

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everything from store manager level. We asked of them in here three

:09:04.:09:07.

We asked of them in here three We asked of them in here three

:09:07.:09:08.

winters ago to do something about winters ago to do something about

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winters ago to do something about winters ago to do something about

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it. They have to follow head of it. They have to follow head of

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it. They have to follow head of it. They have to follow head of

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this policy. This is just right to this policy. This is just right to

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this policy. This is just right to customer services and the gossip

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customer services and the gossip customer services and the gossip

:09:16.:09:17.

brush-off from them. Then removed brush-off from them. Then removed

:09:17.:09:18.

brush-off from them. Then removed brush-off from them. Then removed

:09:18.:09:19.

on writing all the beer up -- all on writing all the beer up -- all

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on writing all the beer up -- all on writing all the beer up -- all

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the way up to the company to Lord the way up to the company to Lord

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the way up to the company to Lord Walston. We got totally stonewalled

:09:26.:09:28.

Walston. We got totally stonewalled Walston. We got totally stonewalled

:09:28.:09:29.

Walston. We got totally stonewalled all the way. -- Lord Wolfson. That

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all the way. -- Lord Wolfson. That all the way. -- Lord Wolfson. That

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all the way. -- Lord Wolfson. That is very unusual. We have just not

:09:33.:09:35.

is very unusual. We have just not is very unusual. We have just not

:09:35.:09:35.

is very unusual. We have just not succeeded with this at all. That is

:09:35.:09:37.

succeeded with this at all. That is interesting, because on their

:09:37.:09:38.

interesting, because on their interesting, because on their

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website, they say one of their website, they say one of their

:09:40.:09:41.

website, they say one of their priorities is to reduce energy use.

:09:41.:09:43.

priorities is to reduce energy use. priorities is to reduce energy use.

:09:43.:09:44.

priorities is to reduce energy use. Which goes to show that they knew -

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Which goes to show that they knew - Which goes to show that they knew -

:09:45.:09:45.

Which goes to show that they knew - - they know the advantages of doing

:09:45.:09:48.

- they know the advantages of doing - they know the advantages of doing

:09:48.:09:49.

- they know the advantages of doing it. Next told us that it operates

:09:49.:09:50.

it. Next told us that it operates it. Next told us that it operates

:09:50.:09:51.

it. Next told us that it operates an open doors policy to make stores

:09:51.:09:53.

an open doors policy to make stores an open doors policy to make stores

:09:53.:09:54.

easily accessible to all customers. easily accessible to all customers.

:09:54.:09:56.

easily accessible to all customers. It says that it takes his

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It says that it takes his environmental responsibilities very

:09:57.:09:59.

environmental responsibilities very environmental responsibilities very

:09:59.:10:01.

seriously. They also said that a seriously. They also said that a

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seriously. They also said that a seriously. They also said that a

:10:02.:10:03.

flow of warm air at the door flow of warm air at the door

:10:03.:10:04.

flow of warm air at the door entrance creates a virtual sealed

:10:04.:10:06.

entrance creates a virtual sealed entrance creates a virtual sealed

:10:06.:10:07.

to minimise the heat loss through to minimise the heat loss through

:10:07.:10:08.

to minimise the heat loss through the open doorway. Other shops told

:10:08.:10:10.

the open doorway. Other shops told the open doorway. Other shops told

:10:10.:10:11.

the open doorway. Other shops told us that heaters above the doors can

:10:11.:10:12.

us that heaters above the doors can us that heaters above the doors can

:10:12.:10:13.

us that heaters above the doors can make a curtain of hair to keep the

:10:13.:10:15.

make a curtain of hair to keep the make a curtain of hair to keep the

:10:15.:10:16.

make a curtain of hair to keep the heat in the building. I wonder if

:10:16.:10:18.

heat in the building. I wonder if heat in the building. I wonder if

:10:18.:10:20.

heat in the building. I wonder if that can be true? Air curtains are

:10:20.:10:21.

that can be true? Air curtains are that can be true? Air curtains are

:10:21.:10:22.

quite a clever technology and work quite a clever technology and work

:10:22.:10:23.

quite a clever technology and work quite a clever technology and work

:10:23.:10:24.

very well in the areas they were very well in the areas they were

:10:24.:10:26.

very well in the areas they were designed and developed for, which

:10:26.:10:28.

designed and developed for, which designed and developed for, which

:10:28.:10:30.

is protecting cold stores. But in is protecting cold stores. But in

:10:30.:10:31.

is protecting cold stores. But in fact, most shops do not have

:10:31.:10:33.

fact, most shops do not have fact, most shops do not have

:10:33.:10:35.

curtains, they have over door fan curtains, they have over door fan

:10:35.:10:37.

curtains, they have over door fan heaters. They achieve a small

:10:37.:10:38.

heaters. They achieve a small heaters. They achieve a small

:10:38.:10:39.

amount in separating the inside amount in separating the inside

:10:39.:10:40.

amount in separating the inside environment from the outside, but

:10:40.:10:41.

environment from the outside, but environment from the outside, but

:10:41.:10:42.

environment from the outside, but they do that by blowing a lot of

:10:42.:10:43.

they do that by blowing a lot of they do that by blowing a lot of

:10:43.:10:44.

they do that by blowing a lot of warm air into the street. The only

:10:44.:10:46.

warm air into the street. The only warm air into the street. The only

:10:46.:10:47.

warm air into the street. The only way by keeping -- to keep the heat

:10:47.:10:48.

way by keeping -- to keep the heat way by keeping -- to keep the heat

:10:48.:10:50.

way by keeping -- to keep the heat in is to provide doors. It is a

:10:50.:10:52.

in is to provide doors. It is a in is to provide doors. It is a

:10:52.:10:54.

well-tried technology and part of a well-tried technology and part of a

:10:54.:10:57.

well-tried technology and part of a decent shopfront design. It will

:10:57.:10:57.

decent shopfront design. It will decent shopfront design. It will

:10:57.:10:59.

decent shopfront design. It will keep the heat in and the draft out

:10:59.:11:02.

keep the heat in and the draft out keep the heat in and the draft out

:11:02.:11:05.

and allow people through. -- the and allow people through. -- the

:11:05.:11:07.

and allow people through. -- the drafts out. Jeannie believes the

:11:07.:11:08.

drafts out. Jeannie believes the drafts out. Jeannie believes the

:11:08.:11:10.

campaign can spread throughout the campaign can spread throughout the

:11:10.:11:12.

campaign can spread throughout the country. We would like everybody

:11:12.:11:13.

country. We would like everybody country. We would like everybody

:11:13.:11:15.

who minds about this to exercise who minds about this to exercise

:11:15.:11:17.

who minds about this to exercise their choice. Everybody is powerful

:11:17.:11:19.

their choice. Everybody is powerful their choice. Everybody is powerful

:11:19.:11:20.

in this way. Ultimately, we all in this way. Ultimately, we all

:11:20.:11:21.

in this way. Ultimately, we all in this way. Ultimately, we all

:11:21.:11:21.

in this way. Ultimately, we all have a shot at -- we all have a

:11:21.:11:22.

have a shot at -- we all have a have a shot at -- we all have a

:11:22.:11:24.

choice about where we spend our choice about where we spend our

:11:24.:11:25.

choice about where we spend our choice about where we spend our

:11:25.:11:26.

money and his energy has to be paid money and his energy has to be paid

:11:26.:11:27.

money and his energy has to be paid money and his energy has to be paid

:11:27.:11:28.

for, in good, so if you don't like for, in good, so if you don't like

:11:28.:11:29.

for, in good, so if you don't like for, in good, so if you don't like

:11:29.:11:31.

what is going on at that particular what is going on at that particular

:11:31.:11:32.

what is going on at that particular shop, don't shop there, go

:11:32.:11:42.

shop, don't shop there, go If there is anything we should be

:11:42.:11:42.

If there is anything we should be If there is anything we should be

:11:42.:11:44.

looking at in this programme, send looking at in this programme, send

:11:44.:11:46.

looking at in this programme, send looking at in this programme, send

:11:46.:11:47.

it to me. You're watching a Inside it to me. You're watching a Inside

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it to me. You're watching a Inside it to me. You're watching a Inside

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Out East. Still to come, saving our Out East. Still to come, saving our

:11:51.:11:52.

Out East. Still to come, saving our heritage from thieves. Or we meet

:11:52.:11:53.

heritage from thieves. Or we meet heritage from thieves. Or we meet

:11:53.:11:55.

the people giving them know where the people giving them know where

:11:55.:11:58.

the people giving them know where to hide. Unbelievably, we are seen

:11:58.:11:59.

to hide. Unbelievably, we are seen to hide. Unbelievably, we are seen

:11:59.:12:00.

to detectorists in the field over to detectorists in the field over

:12:00.:12:01.

to detectorists in the field over to detectorists in the field over

:12:01.:12:03.

there and we could see they were there and we could see they were

:12:03.:12:04.

there and we could see they were using detectorist -- detectors, and

:12:04.:12:05.

using detectorist -- detectors, and using detectorist -- detectors, and

:12:05.:12:06.

using detectorist -- detectors, and it was obvious he didn't want to

:12:06.:12:13.

�2 million is a huge amount of �2 million is a huge amount of

:12:13.:12:14.

�2 million is a huge amount of �2 million is a huge amount of

:12:14.:12:15.

money so it is not surprising that money so it is not surprising that

:12:15.:12:16.

money so it is not surprising that when Christie found that her mother

:12:16.:12:17.

when Christie found that her mother when Christie found that her mother

:12:17.:12:20.

when Christie found that her mother when Christie found that her mother

:12:20.:12:22.

had left that amount to at a -- an had left that amount to at a -- an

:12:22.:12:25.

had left that amount to at a -- an animal can charity, she decided to

:12:25.:12:26.

animal can charity, she decided to animal can charity, she decided to

:12:26.:12:27.

animal can charity, she decided to go to court. She is not alone. Many

:12:27.:12:29.

go to court. She is not alone. Many go to court. She is not alone. Many

:12:29.:12:32.

more people are rowing over wills. more people are rowing over wills.

:12:32.:12:33.

more people are rowing over wills. Last will and testament, a document

:12:33.:12:34.

Last will and testament, a document Last will and testament, a document

:12:34.:12:35.

that states your final wishes that states your final wishes

:12:35.:12:36.

that states your final wishes that states your final wishes

:12:36.:12:39.

except that that is not always the except that that is not always the

:12:39.:12:40.

except that that is not always the case. There have been hundreds of

:12:40.:12:42.

case. There have been hundreds of case. There have been hundreds of

:12:42.:12:45.

cases of family so disappointed at cases of family so disappointed at

:12:45.:12:46.

cases of family so disappointed at their relatives' Wells, but they

:12:46.:12:49.

their relatives' Wells, but they their relatives' Wells, but they

:12:49.:12:50.

have risked thousands of pounds to have risked thousands of pounds to

:12:50.:12:51.

have risked thousands of pounds to have risked thousands of pounds to

:12:51.:12:52.

take them to court. But if you want take them to court. But if you want

:12:52.:12:53.

take them to court. But if you want take them to court. But if you want

:12:53.:12:55.

to leave all your money to a cat's to leave all your money to a cat's

:12:55.:12:56.

to leave all your money to a cat's to leave all your money to a cat's

:12:56.:12:57.

home, surely that up to you? If a home, surely that up to you? If a

:12:57.:12:58.

home, surely that up to you? If a will can be successfully challenged,

:12:58.:12:59.

will can be successfully challenged, will can be successfully challenged,

:12:59.:13:02.

will can be successfully challenged, what are the point of writing it?

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what are the point of writing it? what are the point of writing it?

:13:03.:13:05.

Christine Gill helps run the family Christine Gill helps run the family

:13:05.:13:06.

Christine Gill helps run the family farm. She always assumed that her

:13:06.:13:07.

farm. She always assumed that her farm. She always assumed that her

:13:07.:13:09.

farm. She always assumed that her parents would leave it to her. When

:13:09.:13:10.

parents would leave it to her. When parents would leave it to her. When

:13:10.:13:11.

they died, she discovered that they they died, she discovered that they

:13:11.:13:13.

they died, she discovered that they had left everything to charity.

:13:13.:13:14.

had left everything to charity. had left everything to charity.

:13:14.:13:15.

They had left everything to each They had left everything to each

:13:15.:13:16.

They had left everything to each They had left everything to each

:13:16.:13:18.

other, and when the last one died, other, and when the last one died,

:13:18.:13:21.

other, and when the last one died, everything went to the RSPCA. There

:13:21.:13:22.

everything went to the RSPCA. There everything went to the RSPCA. There

:13:22.:13:22.

everything went to the RSPCA. There was a sentence in it excluding me

:13:22.:13:25.

was a sentence in it excluding me was a sentence in it excluding me

:13:25.:13:26.

was a sentence in it excluding me on the grounds that the world --

:13:26.:13:27.

on the grounds that the world -- on the grounds that the world --

:13:27.:13:28.

on the grounds that the world -- that I had been well provided for

:13:28.:13:29.

that I had been well provided for that I had been well provided for

:13:29.:13:30.

that I had been well provided for in their lifetime. And that was it.

:13:30.:13:32.

in their lifetime. And that was it. in their lifetime. And that was it.

:13:32.:13:33.

in their lifetime. And that was it. I don't know why they made that

:13:33.:13:34.

I don't know why they made that I don't know why they made that

:13:34.:13:41.

well. You haven't fallen out? No, well. You haven't fallen out? No,

:13:41.:13:43.

well. You haven't fallen out? No, well. You haven't fallen out? No,

:13:43.:13:44.

that was one of the most hurtful that was one of the most hurtful

:13:44.:13:45.

that was one of the most hurtful that was one of the most hurtful

:13:45.:13:46.

that was one of the most hurtful things. It was as if one of -- as

:13:46.:13:47.

things. It was as if one of -- as things. It was as if one of -- as

:13:47.:13:48.

things. It was as if one of -- as if they will have come down over my

:13:48.:13:49.

if they will have come down over my if they will have come down over my

:13:49.:13:52.

past life and it all suddenly past life and it all suddenly

:13:52.:14:02.
:14:02.:14:05.

Christine decided to fight the case Christine decided to fight the case

:14:05.:14:06.

Christine decided to fight the case Christine decided to fight the case

:14:06.:14:07.

in court. Her story is not uncommon. in court. Her story is not uncommon.

:14:07.:14:08.

in court. Her story is not uncommon. Many solicitors now offer seminars

:14:08.:14:10.

Many solicitors now offer seminars Many solicitors now offer seminars

:14:10.:14:11.

about inheritance. The validity of about inheritance. The validity of

:14:11.:14:12.

about inheritance. The validity of about inheritance. The validity of

:14:12.:14:13.

a will can be challenged on a a will can be challenged on a

:14:13.:14:14.

a will can be challenged on a number of grounds. But today's

:14:14.:14:15.

number of grounds. But today's number of grounds. But today's

:14:15.:14:16.

seminar is going to focus on seminar is going to focus on

:14:16.:14:17.

seminar is going to focus on disputes concerning wills that are

:14:17.:14:19.

perfectly valid. perfectly valid.

:14:19.:14:20.

perfectly valid. Amanda Smallcombe is a partner with

:14:20.:14:21.

Amanda Smallcombe is a partner with Colchester solicitors Birkett Long.

:14:21.:14:22.

Colchester solicitors Birkett Long. She specialises in contentious

:14:22.:14:26.

She specialises in contentious She specialises in contentious

:14:26.:14:27.

wills. Since 2006, the number of wills. Since 2006, the number of

:14:27.:14:28.

wills. Since 2006, the number of cases that have been issued are

:14:28.:14:31.

cases that have been issued are cases that have been issued are

:14:31.:14:31.

increasing. It certainly makes up increasing. It certainly makes up

:14:31.:14:35.

increasing. It certainly makes up the whole of my caseload now.

:14:35.:14:36.

the whole of my caseload now. the whole of my caseload now.

:14:36.:14:37.

the whole of my caseload now. I think there is a general trend

:14:37.:14:38.

I think there is a general trend I think there is a general trend

:14:38.:14:41.

that people expect to receive an that people expect to receive an

:14:41.:14:41.

that people expect to receive an inheritance. There are a lot of

:14:41.:14:43.

inheritance. There are a lot of inheritance. There are a lot of

:14:43.:14:43.

inheritance. There are a lot of people that come to see me, because

:14:43.:14:44.

people that come to see me, because people that come to see me, because

:14:44.:14:45.

people that come to see me, because they think it is just not fair that

:14:45.:14:46.

they think it is just not fair that they think it is just not fair that

:14:46.:14:48.

they haven't been provided for. they haven't been provided for.

:14:48.:14:49.

they haven't been provided for. they haven't been provided for.

:14:49.:14:50.

They think they can bring a claim They think they can bring a claim

:14:50.:14:51.

They think they can bring a claim They think they can bring a claim

:14:51.:14:52.

because it is just not fair. There because it is just not fair. There

:14:52.:14:53.

because it is just not fair. There are significant costs in bringing a

:14:53.:14:54.

are significant costs in bringing a are significant costs in bringing a

:14:54.:14:55.

are significant costs in bringing a challenge to a inheritance. It is a

:14:55.:14:56.

challenge to a inheritance. It is a challenge to a inheritance. It is a

:14:56.:14:57.

complex area of law. Therefore complex area of law. Therefore

:14:57.:14:59.

complex area of law. Therefore complex area of law. Therefore

:14:59.:15:00.

legal fees can be high. It can cost legal fees can be high. It can cost

:15:00.:15:01.

legal fees can be high. It can cost tens of thousands, or hundreds of

:15:01.:15:02.

tens of thousands, or hundreds of tens of thousands, or hundreds of

:15:02.:15:03.

thousands of pounds. But there is thousands of pounds. But there is

:15:03.:15:07.

thousands of pounds. But there is also an emotional cost. People are

:15:07.:15:08.

also an emotional cost. People are also an emotional cost. People are

:15:08.:15:09.

also an emotional cost. People are dealing with the death of a loved

:15:09.:15:10.

dealing with the death of a loved dealing with the death of a loved

:15:10.:15:13.

one and often warring with other one and often warring with other

:15:13.:15:14.

one and often warring with other family members. In that respect, I

:15:14.:15:15.

family members. In that respect, I family members. In that respect, I

:15:15.:15:20.

think these cases are worse than think these cases are worse than

:15:20.:15:21.

think these cases are worse than divorce cases. One reason for the

:15:21.:15:22.

divorce cases. One reason for the divorce cases. One reason for the

:15:22.:15:23.

increase in challenges to wills is increase in challenges to wills is

:15:24.:15:24.

increase in challenges to wills is the rise in the number of

:15:24.:15:27.

the rise in the number of complicated families. Graham and

:15:27.:15:28.

complicated families. Graham and complicated families. Graham and

:15:28.:15:28.

Gwyn Hart from Chelmsford attended Gwyn Hart from Chelmsford attended

:15:28.:15:29.

Gwyn Hart from Chelmsford attended the seminar, because they both have

:15:29.:15:31.

the seminar, because they both have children from previous marriages.

:15:31.:15:32.

children from previous marriages. children from previous marriages.

:15:32.:15:33.

They want to avoid any arguments They want to avoid any arguments

:15:33.:15:35.

They want to avoid any arguments They want to avoid any arguments

:15:36.:15:36.

after they die. We want my pot of after they die. We want my pot of

:15:36.:15:38.

after they die. We want my pot of after they die. We want my pot of

:15:38.:15:39.

money to go to my children. And money to go to my children. And

:15:39.:15:40.

money to go to my children. And Graham's money to go to his

:15:40.:15:42.

Graham's money to go to his Graham's money to go to his

:15:42.:15:44.

children. That was always in our children. That was always in our

:15:44.:15:45.

children. That was always in our children. That was always in our

:15:45.:15:46.

minds. We do not want them to have minds. We do not want them to have

:15:46.:15:47.

minds. We do not want them to have the aftermath of having to sort

:15:47.:15:48.

the aftermath of having to sort the aftermath of having to sort

:15:48.:15:49.

the aftermath of having to sort things out. It is not easy to do

:15:49.:15:50.

things out. It is not easy to do things out. It is not easy to do

:15:50.:15:51.

the right thing every time by the right thing every time by

:15:51.:15:54.

the right thing every time by everybody and for everybody. That

:15:54.:15:55.

everybody and for everybody. That everybody and for everybody. That

:15:55.:15:56.

everybody and for everybody. That is why I think we should sort it

:15:56.:15:57.

is why I think we should sort it is why I think we should sort it

:15:57.:15:58.

out ourselves beforehand. We should out ourselves beforehand. We should

:15:58.:15:59.

out ourselves beforehand. We should out ourselves beforehand. We should

:15:59.:16:03.

not leave them that mess to sort not leave them that mess to sort

:16:03.:16:04.

not leave them that mess to sort not leave them that mess to sort

:16:04.:16:05.

out. If my wishes were not carried out. If my wishes were not carried

:16:05.:16:06.

out. If my wishes were not carried out. If my wishes were not carried

:16:06.:16:07.

out, I would be very sad if that out, I would be very sad if that

:16:07.:16:10.

out, I would be very sad if that caused problems in the family. But

:16:10.:16:10.

caused problems in the family. But caused problems in the family. But

:16:11.:16:11.

caused problems in the family. But I'd be really angry with myself for

:16:11.:16:12.

I'd be really angry with myself for I'd be really angry with myself for

:16:12.:16:16.

not making it completely watertight. not making it completely watertight.

:16:16.:16:17.

not making it completely watertight. Wills can be challenged for a

:16:17.:16:18.

Wills can be challenged for a Wills can be challenged for a

:16:18.:16:19.

number of reasons. Not written number of reasons. Not written

:16:19.:16:22.

number of reasons. Not written properly. Not signed. But also if

:16:22.:16:23.

properly. Not signed. But also if properly. Not signed. But also if

:16:23.:16:25.

properly. Not signed. But also if they do not provide for a child. So

:16:25.:16:26.

they do not provide for a child. So they do not provide for a child. So

:16:26.:16:27.

if you really want to exclude if you really want to exclude

:16:27.:16:30.

if you really want to exclude someone from your will, can you?

:16:30.:16:32.

someone from your will, can you? someone from your will, can you?

:16:32.:16:33.

someone from your will, can you? It is possible to try to exclude a

:16:33.:16:39.

It is possible to try to exclude a It is possible to try to exclude a

:16:39.:16:40.

It is possible to try to exclude a child from a will. The best thing

:16:40.:16:41.

child from a will. The best thing child from a will. The best thing

:16:41.:16:42.

child from a will. The best thing when making a will is to write a

:16:42.:16:43.

when making a will is to write a when making a will is to write a

:16:43.:16:44.

when making a will is to write a letter to be kept with the will

:16:44.:16:45.

letter to be kept with the will letter to be kept with the will

:16:45.:16:46.

explaining why the child is left explaining why the child is left

:16:46.:16:47.

explaining why the child is left out. And review that regularly, for

:16:47.:16:50.

out. And review that regularly, for example, every two years.

:16:50.:16:51.

example, every two years. example, every two years.

:16:51.:16:52.

example, every two years. And if you decide to challenge a

:16:52.:16:53.

And if you decide to challenge a And if you decide to challenge a

:16:53.:16:56.

will, you may risk everything. will, you may risk everything.

:16:56.:16:57.

will, you may risk everything. Christine Gill used her savings and

:16:57.:16:58.

Christine Gill used her savings and Christine Gill used her savings and

:16:58.:16:59.

mortgaged her house to hire the mortgaged her house to hire the

:16:59.:17:00.

mortgaged her house to hire the best solicitors she could afford to

:17:00.:17:06.

best solicitors she could afford to best solicitors she could afford to

:17:06.:17:08.

best solicitors she could afford to take on the RSPCA. When you take on

:17:08.:17:09.

take on the RSPCA. When you take on take on the RSPCA. When you take on

:17:09.:17:09.

an organisation like a big charity, an organisation like a big charity,

:17:09.:17:12.

an organisation like a big charity, they have resources behind them.

:17:12.:17:13.

they have resources behind them. they have resources behind them.

:17:13.:17:13.

they have resources behind them. They get the best lawyers, the best

:17:13.:17:15.

They get the best lawyers, the best They get the best lawyers, the best

:17:16.:17:16.

solicitors. Quite early on, this solicitors. Quite early on, this

:17:16.:17:18.

solicitors. Quite early on, this solicitors. Quite early on, this

:17:18.:17:19.

house was put at risk. If we had house was put at risk. If we had

:17:19.:17:20.

house was put at risk. If we had house was put at risk. If we had

:17:20.:17:21.

lost the case, I would not be lost the case, I would not be

:17:21.:17:23.

lost the case, I would not be living here. I would be destitute.

:17:23.:17:24.

living here. I would be destitute. living here. I would be destitute.

:17:24.:17:25.

living here. I would be destitute. If you are going to try and

:17:25.:17:26.

If you are going to try and If you are going to try and

:17:26.:17:27.

If you are going to try and challenge a will, as I did, you

:17:27.:17:28.

challenge a will, as I did, you challenge a will, as I did, you

:17:28.:17:28.

challenge a will, as I did, you cannot just go along and say, well,

:17:28.:17:29.

cannot just go along and say, well, cannot just go along and say, well,

:17:29.:17:32.

cannot just go along and say, well, I do not think this is fair.

:17:32.:17:33.

I do not think this is fair. I do not think this is fair.

:17:33.:17:34.

Because the law does not bother Because the law does not bother

:17:34.:17:36.

Because the law does not bother about fair. It bothers about fact.

:17:36.:17:39.

about fair. It bothers about fact. about fair. It bothers about fact.

:17:39.:17:40.

You need evidence. I was fortunate You need evidence. I was fortunate

:17:40.:17:41.

You need evidence. I was fortunate You need evidence. I was fortunate

:17:41.:17:43.

in that I had lots and lots of in that I had lots and lots of

:17:43.:17:48.

evidence. I had documentary evidence. I had documentary

:17:48.:17:49.

evidence. I had documentary evidence. The things that I was

:17:49.:17:50.

evidence. The things that I was evidence. The things that I was

:17:50.:17:50.

evidence. The things that I was saying I could prove with pieces of

:17:51.:17:51.

saying I could prove with pieces of saying I could prove with pieces of

:17:51.:17:54.

paper, which the courts like. paper, which the courts like.

:17:54.:17:55.

paper, which the courts like. paper, which the courts like.

:17:55.:17:56.

Writing a will is one way of Writing a will is one way of

:17:56.:17:57.

Writing a will is one way of deciding what happens to our loved

:17:57.:17:59.

deciding what happens to our loved deciding what happens to our loved

:17:59.:18:00.

deciding what happens to our loved ones once we're gone. So if you are

:18:00.:18:01.

ones once we're gone. So if you are ones once we're gone. So if you are

:18:01.:18:02.

thinking of excluding a relative, thinking of excluding a relative,

:18:02.:18:03.

thinking of excluding a relative, thinking of excluding a relative,

:18:03.:18:03.

thinking of excluding a relative, it may be best that it is not a

:18:03.:18:05.

it may be best that it is not a it may be best that it is not a

:18:05.:18:06.

complete surprise. After a four- complete surprise. After a four-

:18:06.:18:07.

complete surprise. After a four- year legal battle, Christine won

:18:07.:18:08.

year legal battle, Christine won year legal battle, Christine won

:18:08.:18:10.

her case and got her inheritance. her case and got her inheritance.

:18:10.:18:11.

her case and got her inheritance. her case and got her inheritance.

:18:11.:18:12.

But she just wishes her parents had But she just wishes her parents had

:18:12.:18:13.

But she just wishes her parents had But she just wishes her parents had

:18:13.:18:21.

told her what they had intended to told her what they had intended to

:18:21.:18:22.

told her what they had intended to told her what they had intended to

:18:22.:18:23.

do. If people want to give money to do. If people want to give money to

:18:23.:18:24.

do. If people want to give money to charity, or do not have relatives

:18:24.:18:25.

charity, or do not have relatives charity, or do not have relatives

:18:25.:18:26.

charity, or do not have relatives they want to leave money to, why

:18:26.:18:29.

they want to leave money to, why they want to leave money to, why

:18:29.:18:30.

shouldn't they? But if they had shouldn't they? But if they had

:18:30.:18:31.

shouldn't they? But if they had shouldn't they? But if they had

:18:31.:18:32.

told me in 1993, when the will was told me in 1993, when the will was

:18:32.:18:33.

told me in 1993, when the will was made, then I could have made

:18:33.:18:34.

made, then I could have made made, then I could have made

:18:34.:18:35.

appropriate decisions over what to appropriate decisions over what to

:18:35.:18:43.

Under the ground, our history is Under the ground, our history is

:18:43.:18:43.

Under the ground, our history is buried. Who knows what treasures

:18:43.:18:46.

buried. Who knows what treasures buried. Who knows what treasures

:18:46.:18:47.

buried. Who knows what treasures could be right here? It is part of

:18:47.:18:49.

could be right here? It is part of could be right here? It is part of

:18:49.:18:49.

our heritage. But sadly, thieves our heritage. But sadly, thieves

:18:49.:18:51.

our heritage. But sadly, thieves are also after these treasures. But

:18:51.:18:52.

are also after these treasures. But are also after these treasures. But

:18:52.:18:53.

are also after these treasures. But now, there is a new scheme to help

:18:53.:18:54.

now, there is a new scheme to help catch them. Archaeologist Ben

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catch them. Archaeologist Ben catch them. Archaeologist Ben

:18:55.:18:56.

Robinson came face to face with Robinson came face to face with

:18:56.:19:06.
:19:06.:19:10.

My name is Ben Robinson. As an My name is Ben Robinson. As an

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archaeologist working with English archaeologist working with English

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archaeologist working with English archaeologist working with English

:19:12.:19:13.

Heritage, it is my job to try and Heritage, it is my job to try and

:19:13.:19:16.

protect our most important protect our most important

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protect our most important archaeological sites. But couple of

:19:17.:19:18.

archaeological sites. But couple of archaeological sites. But couple of

:19:18.:19:19.

archaeological sites. But couple of years ago, I came face to face with

:19:19.:19:20.

years ago, I came face to face with years ago, I came face to face with

:19:20.:19:22.

people intent on stealing our people intent on stealing our

:19:22.:19:23.

people intent on stealing our history. This is Chester Farm in

:19:23.:19:26.

history. This is Chester Farm in history. This is Chester Farm in

:19:26.:19:27.

Northamptonshire. It is a scheduled Northamptonshire. It is a scheduled

:19:27.:19:28.

Northamptonshire. It is a scheduled monument and one of the most

:19:28.:19:29.

monument and one of the most important historic places in

:19:29.:19:33.

important historic places in important historic places in

:19:33.:19:34.

England. That means this land has England. That means this land has

:19:34.:19:36.

England. That means this land has the highest legal protection. It is

:19:37.:19:38.

the highest legal protection. It is the highest legal protection. It is

:19:38.:19:39.

to stop anyone searching or digging to stop anyone searching or digging

:19:39.:19:42.

here without official permission. here without official permission.

:19:42.:19:43.

here without official permission. This is an absolutely brilliant

:19:43.:19:45.

This is an absolutely brilliant This is an absolutely brilliant

:19:45.:19:45.

site. There is evidence going right site. There is evidence going right

:19:45.:19:47.

site. There is evidence going right back to the Mesolithic period.

:19:47.:19:49.

back to the Mesolithic period. Hunter-gatherers were here. But

:19:49.:19:50.

Hunter-gatherers were here. But Hunter-gatherers were here. But

:19:50.:19:52.

there is also a medieval settlement. there is also a medieval settlement.

:19:52.:19:53.

there is also a medieval settlement. An entire village now lost and

:19:53.:19:54.

An entire village now lost and abandoned. But most importantly,

:19:54.:19:55.

abandoned. But most importantly, abandoned. But most importantly,

:19:55.:19:56.

abandoned. But most importantly, there is also the remains of a

:19:56.:19:58.

there is also the remains of a there is also the remains of a

:19:59.:19:59.

there is also the remains of a Roman town. I am standing right on

:19:59.:20:01.

Roman town. I am standing right on Roman town. I am standing right on

:20:01.:20:02.

its walls. And buried beneath the its walls. And buried beneath the

:20:02.:20:03.

its walls. And buried beneath the ground, there is the remains of

:20:03.:20:04.

ground, there is the remains of ground, there is the remains of

:20:04.:20:05.

everything you would expect in a everything you would expect in a

:20:05.:20:06.

well-appointed Roman town. Places well-appointed Roman town. Places

:20:06.:20:08.

well-appointed Roman town. Places where people lived. Shops, temples,

:20:08.:20:09.

where people lived. Shops, temples, where people lived. Shops, temples,

:20:09.:20:12.

shrines. All buried under the turf. shrines. All buried under the turf.

:20:12.:20:13.

shrines. All buried under the turf. But this incredible history is at

:20:13.:20:20.

But this incredible history is at But this incredible history is at

:20:20.:20:21.

risk. Despite this site being risk. Despite this site being

:20:21.:20:21.

risk. Despite this site being scheduled with legal protection and

:20:21.:20:22.

scheduled with legal protection and scheduled with legal protection and

:20:22.:20:23.

the presence of security guards, the presence of security guards,

:20:23.:20:24.

the presence of security guards, almost every night, people with

:20:24.:20:25.

almost every night, people with almost every night, people with

:20:25.:20:26.

metal detectors are intent on metal detectors are intent on

:20:26.:20:27.

metal detectors are intent on breaking the law. So called night

:20:27.:20:28.

breaking the law. So called night breaking the law. So called night

:20:28.:20:29.

hawkers, they were coming almost hawkers, they were coming almost

:20:29.:20:30.

hawkers, they were coming almost every night intent on looting

:20:30.:20:33.

every night intent on looting artefacts. Things were obviously

:20:33.:20:34.

artefacts. Things were obviously artefacts. Things were obviously

:20:34.:20:37.

artefacts. Things were obviously getting out of hand down here. So a

:20:37.:20:38.

getting out of hand down here. So a getting out of hand down here. So a

:20:38.:20:39.

colleague and I decided to come colleague and I decided to come

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colleague and I decided to come down one evening after work and

:20:40.:20:41.

down one evening after work and investigate further. Unbelievably,

:20:41.:20:42.

investigate further. Unbelievably, investigate further. Unbelievably,

:20:42.:20:43.

investigate further. Unbelievably, investigate further. Unbelievably,

:20:43.:20:44.

as we got to this point, we saw two as we got to this point, we saw two

:20:44.:20:45.

as we got to this point, we saw two people with detectors in the field

:20:45.:20:46.

people with detectors in the field people with detectors in the field

:20:46.:20:47.

people with detectors in the field over there. We could see they were

:20:47.:20:49.

over there. We could see they were over there. We could see they were

:20:49.:20:49.

using detectors. And as they using detectors. And as they

:20:49.:20:50.

using detectors. And as they spotted us, it was obvious that

:20:50.:20:51.

spotted us, it was obvious that spotted us, it was obvious that

:20:51.:20:52.

spotted us, it was obvious that they did not want to hang around

:20:52.:20:54.

they did not want to hang around they did not want to hang around

:20:54.:20:55.

they did not want to hang around for a conversation. To cut a long

:20:55.:20:56.

for a conversation. To cut a long for a conversation. To cut a long

:20:56.:20:56.

story short, when the police story short, when the police

:20:56.:20:57.

arrived, they were eventually arrived, they were eventually

:20:57.:20:58.

arrived, they were eventually arrested in that tree belt over

:20:58.:21:05.

arrested in that tree belt over arrested in that tree belt over

:21:05.:21:06.

there. The full extent of the there. The full extent of the

:21:06.:21:07.

there. The full extent of the damage was revealed. It was clear

:21:07.:21:08.

damage was revealed. It was clear damage was revealed. It was clear

:21:08.:21:09.

damage was revealed. It was clear they had been on the site for some

:21:09.:21:11.

they had been on the site for some they had been on the site for some

:21:11.:21:12.

time. There were trenches and holes time. There were trenches and holes

:21:12.:21:14.

time. There were trenches and holes time. There were trenches and holes

:21:14.:21:15.

dug to get the artefacts out. When dug to get the artefacts out. When

:21:15.:21:16.

dug to get the artefacts out. When their homes were raided, police

:21:16.:21:17.

their homes were raided, police their homes were raided, police

:21:17.:21:17.

their homes were raided, police found a large number of Iron Age,

:21:17.:21:21.

found a large number of Iron Age, found a large number of Iron Age,

:21:21.:21:22.

Roman and medieval coins. Local Roman and medieval coins. Local

:21:22.:21:23.

councillor Heather Smith is councillor Heather Smith is

:21:23.:21:23.

councillor Heather Smith is passionate about Chester Farm and

:21:23.:21:26.

passionate about Chester Farm and Northamptonshire's history. She is

:21:26.:21:33.

Northamptonshire's history. She is Northamptonshire's history. She is

:21:33.:21:34.

outraged. People coming in and outraged. People coming in and

:21:34.:21:35.

outraged. People coming in and outraged. People coming in and

:21:35.:21:36.

thinking it is all right to just thinking it is all right to just

:21:36.:21:37.

thinking it is all right to just thinking it is all right to just

:21:37.:21:40.

dig a great big trench using spades. dig a great big trench using spades.

:21:40.:21:41.

dig a great big trench using spades. dig a great big trench using spades.

:21:41.:21:42.

And take away what they find for And take away what they find for

:21:42.:21:42.

And take away what they find for their own personal gain is

:21:43.:21:44.

their own personal gain is their own personal gain is

:21:44.:21:45.

absolutely disgusting. It is not absolutely disgusting. It is not

:21:45.:21:46.

absolutely disgusting. It is not just the value of the artefacts

:21:46.:21:47.

just the value of the artefacts just the value of the artefacts

:21:47.:21:48.

that is important. It is the that is important. It is the

:21:48.:21:51.

that is important. It is the context of where they were found.

:21:51.:21:52.

context of where they were found. context of where they were found.

:21:52.:21:53.

context of where they were found. context of where they were found.

:21:53.:21:53.

We just end up with a big bag of We just end up with a big bag of

:21:53.:21:54.

We just end up with a big bag of coins that could have been taken

:21:54.:21:55.

coins that could have been taken coins that could have been taken

:21:55.:21:57.

from anywhere on the site. Instead from anywhere on the site. Instead

:21:57.:21:58.

from anywhere on the site. Instead from anywhere on the site. Instead

:21:58.:21:59.

of us being able to say, there was of us being able to say, there was

:21:59.:22:00.

of us being able to say, there was a house here. Someone was living

:22:00.:22:02.

a house here. Someone was living a house here. Someone was living

:22:02.:22:03.

here. And they had buried here. And they had buried

:22:03.:22:05.

here. And they had buried themselves some of their wealth.

:22:05.:22:06.

themselves some of their wealth. themselves some of their wealth.

:22:06.:22:08.

themselves some of their wealth. That has been dug up and taken. We

:22:08.:22:09.

That has been dug up and taken. We That has been dug up and taken. We

:22:09.:22:10.

That has been dug up and taken. We do not know what was there and we

:22:10.:22:11.

do not know what was there and we do not know what was there and we

:22:11.:22:17.

cannot build that story any more. cannot build that story any more.

:22:17.:22:18.

cannot build that story any more. cannot build that story any more.

:22:18.:22:19.

But Chester Farm proved to be a But Chester Farm proved to be a

:22:19.:22:20.

But Chester Farm proved to be a landmark case. Darren West and

:22:20.:22:21.

landmark case. Darren West and Peter Cox appeared before

:22:21.:22:23.

Peter Cox appeared before Peter Cox appeared before

:22:23.:22:23.

Northampton Crown Court just before Northampton Crown Court just before

:22:23.:22:24.

Christmas. They admitted stealing Christmas. They admitted stealing

:22:24.:22:30.

Christmas. They admitted stealing artefacts from the site. They

:22:30.:22:31.

artefacts from the site. They artefacts from the site. They

:22:31.:22:32.

received the penalties ever given received the penalties ever given

:22:32.:22:33.

to metal detectorists, including to metal detectorists, including

:22:33.:22:35.

to metal detectorists, including ASBOs banning them from detecting.

:22:35.:22:36.

ASBOs banning them from detecting. ASBOs banning them from detecting.

:22:36.:22:36.

ASBOs banning them from detecting. It is the first time such a

:22:36.:22:38.

It is the first time such a It is the first time such a

:22:38.:22:39.

It is the first time such a punishment has been used. It is a

:22:39.:22:40.

punishment has been used. It is a punishment has been used. It is a

:22:40.:22:42.

sign the authorities are getting sign the authorities are getting

:22:42.:22:43.

sign the authorities are getting sign the authorities are getting

:22:43.:22:43.

tough. Mark Harrison used to be a tough. Mark Harrison used to be a

:22:43.:22:47.

tough. Mark Harrison used to be a police chief inspector. He has now

:22:47.:22:48.

police chief inspector. He has now become English Heritage's first

:22:48.:22:49.

become English Heritage's first become English Heritage's first

:22:49.:22:52.

national policing and crime adviser. national policing and crime adviser.

:22:52.:22:53.

national policing and crime adviser. And illegal metal detecting is a

:22:53.:22:55.

And illegal metal detecting is a And illegal metal detecting is a

:22:55.:22:56.

major priority. Certainly, the case major priority. Certainly, the case

:22:56.:22:57.

major priority. Certainly, the case of Cox and West in Northamptonshire

:22:57.:22:58.

of Cox and West in Northamptonshire of Cox and West in Northamptonshire

:22:58.:23:00.

of Cox and West in Northamptonshire of Cox and West in Northamptonshire

:23:00.:23:01.

is a big step forward for us. A big is a big step forward for us. A big

:23:01.:23:02.

is a big step forward for us. A big investigation where we used people

:23:02.:23:03.

investigation where we used people investigation where we used people

:23:03.:23:04.

with the right skills doing their with the right skills doing their

:23:04.:23:06.

with the right skills doing their part in the investigation. Police

:23:06.:23:07.

officers, detectives, officers, detectives,

:23:07.:23:10.

archaeologists, finds experts. All archaeologists, finds experts. All

:23:10.:23:11.

coming together, coordinating to coming together, coordinating to

:23:11.:23:16.

coming together, coordinating to provide the best evidence.

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provide the best evidence. prosecution has highlighted the

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prosecution has highlighted the prosecution has highlighted the

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growing problem of heritage crime growing problem of heritage crime

:23:18.:23:19.

growing problem of heritage crime growing problem of heritage crime

:23:19.:23:27.

and how it is dealt with by the and how it is dealt with by the

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and how it is dealt with by the police. One major breakthrough has

:23:28.:23:29.

police. One major breakthrough has been bringing archaeologists, such

:23:29.:23:30.

been bringing archaeologists, such been bringing archaeologists, such

:23:30.:23:32.

as Andrew Richardson, on board as as Andrew Richardson, on board as

:23:32.:23:33.

volunteers. They bring specialist volunteers. They bring specialist

:23:33.:23:37.

knowledge to investigations. knowledge to investigations.

:23:37.:23:38.

value of bringing archaeologists value of bringing archaeologists

:23:38.:23:39.

value of bringing archaeologists value of bringing archaeologists

:23:39.:23:40.

into it is that we have skills that into it is that we have skills that

:23:40.:23:41.

into it is that we have skills that into it is that we have skills that

:23:41.:23:42.

very few other people have in terms very few other people have in terms

:23:42.:23:43.

very few other people have in terms of identifying artefacts. Or seeing

:23:43.:23:44.

of identifying artefacts. Or seeing of identifying artefacts. Or seeing

:23:44.:23:45.

precisely what has been damaged in precisely what has been damaged in

:23:46.:23:46.

precisely what has been damaged in precisely what has been damaged in

:23:46.:23:49.

the ground and what the impact of the ground and what the impact of

:23:49.:23:50.

the ground and what the impact of the ground and what the impact of

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the ground and what the impact of that is. I have found that a lot of

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that is. I have found that a lot of that is. I have found that a lot of

:23:52.:23:53.

the police officers that I have the police officers that I have

:23:53.:23:54.

the police officers that I have worked with over long periods have

:23:54.:23:55.

worked with over long periods have worked with over long periods have

:23:55.:23:56.

very rapidly developed quite a lot very rapidly developed quite a lot

:23:56.:23:57.

very rapidly developed quite a lot of skills and expertise in this

:23:57.:23:59.

of skills and expertise in this of skills and expertise in this

:23:59.:24:00.

of skills and expertise in this area. At the end of the day, what

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area. At the end of the day, what area. At the end of the day, what

:24:01.:24:03.

area. At the end of the day, what we want here is no crime. And our

:24:03.:24:04.

we want here is no crime. And our we want here is no crime. And our

:24:04.:24:05.

heritage protected. Because if it heritage protected. Because if it

:24:05.:24:06.

heritage protected. Because if it carries on at this rate, there

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carries on at this rate, there carries on at this rate, there

:24:07.:24:07.

carries on at this rate, there might not be any heritage left for

:24:07.:24:09.

future generations. future generations.

:24:09.:24:10.

future generations. future generations.

:24:10.:24:12.

But it is not all bad news. The But it is not all bad news. The

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But it is not all bad news. The vast majority of detectorists do so

:24:13.:24:15.

vast majority of detectorists do so vast majority of detectorists do so

:24:15.:24:16.

within the law and was full within the law and was full

:24:16.:24:18.

within the law and was full protection of the landowners. Like

:24:18.:24:20.

protection of the landowners. Like protection of the landowners. Like

:24:20.:24:22.

these ones. Sometimes, they are these ones. Sometimes, they are

:24:22.:24:23.

finding things archaeologists mess. finding things archaeologists mess.

:24:23.:24:24.

finding things archaeologists mess. finding things archaeologists mess.

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I met up with them last summer. I met up with them last summer.

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I met up with them last summer. I met up with them last summer.

:24:28.:24:29.

Really nice stuff does not come up Really nice stuff does not come up

:24:29.:24:32.

Really nice stuff does not come up Really nice stuff does not come up

:24:32.:24:33.

all that down. You will find it all that down. You will find it

:24:33.:24:34.

all that down. You will find it rubbish, not important stuff for

:24:34.:24:38.

rubbish, not important stuff for rubbish, not important stuff for

:24:38.:24:39.

rubbish, not important stuff for years, that is all. I have never

:24:39.:24:43.

years, that is all. I have never years, that is all. I have never

:24:43.:24:44.

years, that is all. I have never found a Saxon yet. This one is

:24:44.:24:45.

found a Saxon yet. This one is particularly appropriate to where

:24:45.:24:50.

particularly appropriate to where particularly appropriate to where

:24:50.:24:51.

particularly appropriate to where particularly appropriate to where

:24:51.:24:59.

we are now. It is a 50 BC gold we are now. It is a 50 BC gold

:24:59.:24:59.

we are now. It is a 50 BC gold Stater. I probably will screen the

:24:59.:25:01.

Stater. I probably will screen the Stater. I probably will screen the

:25:01.:25:03.

whole country before finding a whole country before finding a

:25:03.:25:04.

Saxon. Sometimes, something really Saxon. Sometimes, something really

:25:04.:25:05.

Saxon. Sometimes, something really Saxon. Sometimes, something really

:25:05.:25:06.

nice will come up, which is what nice will come up, which is what

:25:06.:25:08.

nice will come up, which is what happened with that, a Saxon Broads.

:25:08.:25:11.

happened with that, a Saxon Broads. happened with that, a Saxon Broads.

:25:11.:25:13.

happened with that, a Saxon Broads. Very unusual style. It is about 9th

:25:13.:25:16.

Very unusual style. It is about 9th Very unusual style. It is about 9th

:25:16.:25:17.

Very unusual style. It is about 9th or 10th century was that if you are

:25:17.:25:18.

or 10th century was that if you are or 10th century was that if you are

:25:18.:25:20.

looking, you will find them. Tens looking, you will find them. Tens

:25:20.:25:22.

looking, you will find them. Tens of thousands of artefacts are found

:25:23.:25:24.

of thousands of artefacts are found of thousands of artefacts are found

:25:24.:25:25.

each year. For archaeologists, it each year. For archaeologists, it

:25:25.:25:27.

each year. For archaeologists, it is important to know exactly where

:25:27.:25:28.

is important to know exactly where is important to know exactly where

:25:28.:25:29.

is important to know exactly where those fines are made. That is where

:25:29.:25:30.

those fines are made. That is where the Portable antiquities scheme

:25:30.:25:31.

the Portable antiquities scheme the Portable antiquities scheme

:25:31.:25:34.

comes in, it is voluntary, comes in, it is voluntary,

:25:34.:25:35.

comes in, it is voluntary, recording finds made by people like

:25:35.:25:37.

recording finds made by people like recording finds made by people like

:25:37.:25:39.

detectorists. The metal itself is detectorists. The metal itself is

:25:39.:25:40.

detectorists. The metal itself is corroded, but the enamel has

:25:40.:25:43.

corroded, but the enamel has corroded, but the enamel has

:25:43.:25:43.

survived. Quite often, the end than survived. Quite often, the end than

:25:43.:25:44.

survived. Quite often, the end than survived. Quite often, the end than

:25:44.:25:48.

him -- quite often, the enamel is him -- quite often, the enamel is

:25:48.:25:48.

him -- quite often, the enamel is missing... A network of liaison

:25:48.:25:49.

missing... A network of liaison missing... A network of liaison

:25:49.:25:50.

officers spans the country. Today, officers spans the country. Today,

:25:51.:25:51.

officers spans the country. Today, officers spans the country. Today,

:25:51.:25:52.

she has come to meet them to see she has come to meet them to see

:25:52.:25:54.

she has come to meet them to see she has come to meet them to see

:25:54.:25:55.

what the hell on earth. One of the what the hell on earth. One of the

:25:55.:25:57.

exciting things about archaeology exciting things about archaeology

:25:57.:25:58.

exciting things about archaeology exciting things about archaeology

:25:58.:25:59.

exciting things about archaeology is you do not know what is there.

:25:59.:26:00.

is you do not know what is there. is you do not know what is there.

:26:00.:26:01.

is you do not know what is there. - to see what they have found.

:26:01.:26:02.

- to see what they have found. - to see what they have found.

:26:02.:26:03.

- to see what they have found. cannot see it as it is under the

:26:03.:26:05.

cannot see it as it is under the cannot see it as it is under the

:26:05.:26:06.

ground. If you have someone metal ground. If you have someone metal

:26:06.:26:08.

ground. If you have someone metal detecting on a field, retrieving

:26:08.:26:09.

detecting on a field, retrieving detecting on a field, retrieving

:26:09.:26:10.

detecting on a field, retrieving fines next into the soil, it could

:26:10.:26:11.

fines next into the soil, it could fines next into the soil, it could

:26:11.:26:13.

fines next into the soil, it could be that is the first evidence we

:26:13.:26:14.

be that is the first evidence we be that is the first evidence we

:26:14.:26:15.

have on anything archaeological in have on anything archaeological in

:26:15.:26:16.

have on anything archaeological in that period. We may have suspected

:26:16.:26:18.

that period. We may have suspected that period. We may have suspected

:26:18.:26:19.

it was there, but until someone it was there, but until someone

:26:19.:26:20.

it was there, but until someone it was there, but until someone

:26:20.:26:22.

brings it assures us, we do not brings it assures us, we do not

:26:22.:26:23.

brings it assures us, we do not know. And every now and again,

:26:23.:26:25.

know. And every now and again, know. And every now and again,

:26:25.:26:26.

something remarkable comes to the something remarkable comes to the

:26:26.:26:28.

something remarkable comes to the surface that might never have been

:26:28.:26:30.

surface that might never have been found using traditional archaeology.

:26:30.:26:31.

found using traditional archaeology. found using traditional archaeology.

:26:31.:26:32.

found using traditional archaeology. A few years back, and they struck

:26:32.:26:37.

A few years back, and they struck A few years back, and they struck

:26:37.:26:39.

the jackpot. -- Andrew struck the jackpot.

:26:39.:26:41.

jackpot. jackpot.

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Metalwork, what an exciting find. Metalwork, what an exciting find.

:26:44.:26:46.

Metalwork, what an exciting find. Yes. Bits of weapons here, swords,

:26:46.:26:48.

Yes. Bits of weapons here, swords, Yes. Bits of weapons here, swords,

:26:48.:26:48.

Yes. Bits of weapons here, swords, so forth, but other items that give

:26:48.:26:49.

so forth, but other items that give so forth, but other items that give

:26:49.:26:50.

so forth, but other items that give so forth, but other items that give

:26:50.:26:52.

a clue as to what this is all about. a clue as to what this is all about.

:26:52.:26:54.

a clue as to what this is all about. a clue as to what this is all about.

:26:54.:26:59.

This is what is called a Founders This is what is called a Founders

:26:59.:27:01.

This is what is called a Founders This is what is called a Founders

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Hall. -- founders of find. It is Hall. -- founders of find. It is

:27:02.:27:02.

Hall. -- founders of find. It is like to someone who operated a

:27:02.:27:04.

like to someone who operated a like to someone who operated a

:27:04.:27:04.

like to someone who operated a foundry. It has been in the ground

:27:04.:27:06.

foundry. It has been in the ground foundry. It has been in the ground

:27:06.:27:07.

for nearly 3,000 years Wales for nearly 3,000 years Wales

:27:07.:27:09.

for nearly 3,000 years Wales history rolls back. This is the

:27:09.:27:09.

history rolls back. This is the history rolls back. This is the

:27:09.:27:11.

history rolls back. This is the only link to that person. It is

:27:11.:27:13.

only link to that person. It is amazing, particularly these

:27:13.:27:15.

amazing, particularly these amazing, particularly these

:27:15.:27:16.

woodworking tools. There is a woodworking tools. There is a

:27:16.:27:20.

woodworking tools. There is a complete set. Maybe this was an

:27:20.:27:22.

complete set. Maybe this was an complete set. Maybe this was an

:27:22.:27:23.

order, maybe some Carpenter had order, maybe some Carpenter had

:27:23.:27:25.

order, maybe some Carpenter had order, maybe some Carpenter had

:27:25.:27:26.

ordered a complete set. We have no ordered a complete set. We have no

:27:26.:27:27.

ordered a complete set. We have no ordered a complete set. We have no

:27:27.:27:29.

idea what they would be used for. idea what they would be used for.

:27:29.:27:30.

idea what they would be used for. idea what they would be used for.

:27:30.:27:32.

The truth of the matter is, if we The truth of the matter is, if we

:27:32.:27:32.

The truth of the matter is, if we are to protect our heritage,

:27:32.:27:34.

are to protect our heritage, are to protect our heritage,

:27:34.:27:36.

archaeologists have to work with archaeologists have to work with

:27:36.:27:37.

archaeologists have to work with the police, work but landowners,

:27:37.:27:39.

the police, work but landowners, the police, work but landowners,

:27:39.:27:41.

and with it responsible medal and with it responsible medal

:27:41.:27:42.

and with it responsible medal detectorists, to ensure there is

:27:42.:27:42.

detectorists, to ensure there is detectorists, to ensure there is

:27:42.:27:48.

nowhere for the thieves to hide. nowhere for the thieves to hide.

:27:48.:27:50.

nowhere for the thieves to hide. Well, that's it from Milton Keynes.

:27:50.:27:51.

Well, that's it from Milton Keynes. Well, that's it from Milton Keynes.

:27:51.:27:52.

Well, that's it from Milton Keynes. If there is anything you think we

:27:52.:27:53.

If there is anything you think we If there is anything you think we

:27:53.:27:53.

If there is anything you think we should be looking into here on the

:27:53.:27:54.

should be looking into here on the should be looking into here on the

:27:54.:27:56.

should be looking into here on the programme, send me an e-mail. Or I

:27:57.:27:58.

programme, send me an e-mail. Or I programme, send me an e-mail. Or I

:27:58.:27:59.

programme, send me an e-mail. Or I am on Twitter. I will see you next

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am on Twitter. I will see you next am on Twitter. I will see you next

:28:00.:28:01.

am on Twitter. I will see you next week, when I will be back with

:28:01.:28:02.

week, when I will be back with week, when I will be back with

:28:02.:28:04.

these stories from the East. these stories from the East.

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these stories from the East. these stories from the East.

:28:05.:28:06.

The couple who have chosen to go to The couple who have chosen to go to

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The couple who have chosen to go to prison rather than leave their home.

:28:09.:28:10.

prison rather than leave their home. prison rather than leave their home.

:28:10.:28:11.

prison rather than leave their home. We are standing up for what we

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We are standing up for what we We are standing up for what we

:28:12.:28:13.

believed to be principles that we believed to be principles that we

:28:13.:28:14.

believed to be principles that we have. The authorities feel I should

:28:14.:28:15.

have. The authorities feel I should have. The authorities feel I should

:28:15.:28:16.

have. The authorities feel I should be imprisoned for what we have done.

:28:16.:28:17.

be imprisoned for what we have done. be imprisoned for what we have done.

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It is ridiculous in my opinion. It is ridiculous in my opinion.

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It is ridiculous in my opinion. It is ridiculous in my opinion.

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