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Meet the people whose homes have been wrecked by sinkholes. | :00:00. | :00:10. | |
Find out how we can avoid building new houses in problem places. | :00:11. | :00:15. | |
We investigate the missing millions and the half built stand | :00:16. | :00:18. | |
The sense of being let down, betrayal. | :00:19. | :00:30. | |
And Norfolk boy Kieron Williamson is just 13 but his paintings | :00:31. | :00:34. | |
See how this creative genius makes a new work. | :00:35. | :00:45. | |
Revealing the stories that matter closer to home. | :00:46. | :00:47. | |
It the last thing you'd expect, to come home and find a hole | :00:48. | :01:01. | |
Sinkholes can appear pretty much without any warning | :01:02. | :01:08. | |
and they are getting more common and, if you're buying a house, | :01:09. | :01:11. | |
a survey won't necessarily pick up that there are any problems | :01:12. | :01:14. | |
Back in October a giant sink hole literally swallowed up this street | :01:15. | :01:26. | |
Actually it is only when you get up close to it can you see the scale | :01:27. | :01:36. | |
Look, you have pipes hanging off here, bricks that are falling in. | :01:37. | :01:40. | |
Now building work has happened here and they have already filled | :01:41. | :01:43. | |
But if you live around here in one of these houses surrounding here, | :01:44. | :01:47. | |
the worry surely is, could another hole just like this | :01:48. | :01:49. | |
I am going to find out why this happened and what we might need | :01:50. | :01:58. | |
to do to protect our homes in the future. | :01:59. | :02:07. | |
We went out the front and we could see ? We could not get | :02:08. | :02:10. | |
near because they had put fencing round but we could see | :02:11. | :02:13. | |
Rosemary and Derek have lived here for nearly 40 years. | :02:14. | :02:21. | |
They, like other families on the street, were moved out | :02:22. | :02:26. | |
and most are now back, but even now things are still a struggle. | :02:27. | :02:31. | |
The path takes you to the main road and you walk into town | :02:32. | :02:35. | |
but it has been muddy sometimes, wet, flooded. | :02:36. | :02:38. | |
And there is a shuttle service, is there? | :02:39. | :02:42. | |
We call it our taxi, this little shuttle service, | :02:43. | :02:46. | |
as that is the only way we can get across to the fire station | :02:47. | :02:49. | |
The hole was caused by the surface of an old chalk pit | :02:50. | :02:58. | |
Across this part of the country there are a lot of old chalk pits | :02:59. | :03:04. | |
making the area prone to holes opening up. | :03:05. | :03:07. | |
In fact, right up until the 19th century a lot of our region actually | :03:08. | :03:13. | |
sits on chalk but it is this chalk that is making us | :03:14. | :03:16. | |
And it is the combination of old mines and rain that | :03:17. | :03:22. | |
The bad news is that heavy rain is making it worse. | :03:23. | :03:27. | |
In Hertfordshire there have been six major collapses | :03:28. | :03:30. | |
One of these typical holes in the ground in this sort | :03:31. | :03:38. | |
You cannot believe the size of it, really, can you? | :03:39. | :03:42. | |
They are quite surprising, aren't they? | :03:43. | :03:44. | |
So what do we need to do to protect our homes? | :03:45. | :03:47. | |
I have come to Stevenage to meet sinkhole expert Dr Clive Edmonds. | :03:48. | :03:57. | |
You often see dips and holes like this in the ground but this | :03:58. | :04:00. | |
Yes it's a pretty big hole isn't it and it's probably been here a long | :04:01. | :04:04. | |
time and probably relates to the late 1700s or early 1800s, | :04:05. | :04:09. | |
where chalk has been excavated out and perhaps mined and that | :04:10. | :04:12. | |
We are getting a lot of nature at the moment. | :04:13. | :04:16. | |
Can you see the problem becoming exacerbated? | :04:17. | :04:20. | |
You have increased chances of holes appearing when you | :04:21. | :04:25. | |
We have more concentrated rainfall for prolonged periods. | :04:26. | :04:29. | |
So it does make the chances of holes appearing more likely. | :04:30. | :04:38. | |
This is what happened in Hemel Hempstead two years ago. | :04:39. | :04:42. | |
And this is what engineers' cameras found up to 17 metres underground. | :04:43. | :04:49. | |
Truckloads of concrete have been pumped underground and the two | :04:50. | :05:01. | |
houses closest to the hole have been demolished, but as you can see, | :05:02. | :05:05. | |
work has continued here and they have built some new homes. | :05:06. | :05:08. | |
This was also the site of a clay pit and residents were told the hole | :05:09. | :05:11. | |
David Ketley and Richard Oatr owned homes here. | :05:12. | :05:23. | |
This was the initial stages and over the next couple of days it just | :05:24. | :05:27. | |
started falling away even further so more and more just fell away | :05:28. | :05:30. | |
in time because when it goes you don't know how deep it is. | :05:31. | :05:34. | |
David went through six months of hell. | :05:35. | :05:39. | |
I was not myself for those six months. | :05:40. | :05:41. | |
I was not the person I wanted to be or anybody wants to see. | :05:42. | :05:45. | |
I was so stressed and taking it out on the people closest to me. | :05:46. | :05:48. | |
By coincidence, both had their properties up for sale | :05:49. | :05:50. | |
When the sinkhole happened, obviously I lost buyers. | :05:51. | :05:57. | |
She walked away and I had to take it off the market. | :05:58. | :06:04. | |
Dr Edmonds believes that councils need to demand that developers make | :06:05. | :06:11. | |
They have heightened awareness of flooding issues and equally | :06:12. | :06:21. | |
they should be aware with the changing weather patterns | :06:22. | :06:23. | |
that there is a greater chance of collapses | :06:24. | :06:24. | |
So they should be demanding more of their developers to address | :06:25. | :06:28. | |
The good news is there is already information that can help. | :06:29. | :06:34. | |
Dr Edmonds has mapped where there are | :06:35. | :06:36. | |
Databases like this may prove invaluable in the future | :06:37. | :06:40. | |
for developers and home buyers alike. | :06:41. | :06:44. | |
So, on the map here we are close to this red dot here which in fact | :06:45. | :06:51. | |
The one here on the left, that actually has presented itself | :06:52. | :06:59. | |
as a sinkhole but the others are prospectively where mines | :07:00. | :07:03. | |
are actually recorded or believed to be present based | :07:04. | :07:05. | |
So this information is vital to anyone who, | :07:06. | :07:09. | |
say, wanted to say build in these areas because you would look at that | :07:10. | :07:13. | |
and say potentially there is a problem there. | :07:14. | :07:16. | |
Yes, the dots do identify features in the ground that need to be | :07:17. | :07:21. | |
You may be surprised to know that when you are buying | :07:22. | :07:27. | |
a house your survey may not show up chalk mines. | :07:28. | :07:33. | |
Surveys, when they came back, all they checked were coal mines | :07:34. | :07:35. | |
so if there aren't coal mines you don't get anything. | :07:36. | :07:38. | |
Which isn't great because round this area there are so many old clay pits | :07:39. | :07:43. | |
and chalk mines, which people aren't really aware off because surveys | :07:44. | :07:46. | |
David actually did his own DIY survey before looking | :07:47. | :07:54. | |
When I bought my new house, I looked at the maps and looked | :07:55. | :08:05. | |
at what was on the sites because I knew the survey would not | :08:06. | :08:09. | |
pick it up because they don't have to check it. | :08:10. | :08:14. | |
David and Richard are now very cautious. | :08:15. | :08:19. | |
Once it happens to you, you are always going to have it | :08:20. | :08:22. | |
in the back of your mind, aren't you? | :08:23. | :08:24. | |
When you are looking for property, you are always going | :08:25. | :08:26. | |
They've now both sold their homes and have moved. | :08:27. | :08:30. | |
Back in St Albans, Hertfordshire County Council | :08:31. | :08:33. | |
is still checking there are no more cavities. | :08:34. | :08:40. | |
These chalk mines are supposed to be 1820s, 1830s. | :08:41. | :08:45. | |
Who would have thought over 150 years later this would happen? | :08:46. | :08:49. | |
Rosemary and Derek can't wait for the disruption to end. | :08:50. | :08:55. | |
Well, the good news is there have been no further problems | :08:56. | :08:58. | |
And if you think there is something we should investigate, | :08:59. | :09:04. | |
you can get me on twitter send me an e-mail. | :09:05. | :09:09. | |
You are watching Inside Out for the East of England | :09:10. | :09:11. | |
Later on we will meet the 13-year-old painter from Norfolk | :09:12. | :09:15. | |
We will see how he creates a brand-new piece of work. | :09:16. | :09:26. | |
It has been a nervous few months for fans | :09:27. | :09:30. | |
of Northampton Town Football Club as they waited to learn the fate | :09:31. | :09:33. | |
At the same time a massive financial controversy has embroiled the club. | :09:34. | :09:37. | |
Up to millions of pounds of public money, supposed be used to develop | :09:38. | :09:40. | |
It is the third round of the FA Cup and Northampton Town are at home | :09:41. | :09:53. | |
Fans are in high spirits but there was a real chance | :09:54. | :09:58. | |
that this game might not have happened. | :09:59. | :10:00. | |
A financial saga involving millions of pounds but the club at risk. | :10:01. | :10:10. | |
Emily Lomax has been a Northampton fan since she was a child. | :10:11. | :10:13. | |
Her late father founded the club supporters trust. | :10:14. | :10:15. | |
She is angry about what has happened to the club. | :10:16. | :10:17. | |
This sense of being let down, betrayal. | :10:18. | :10:30. | |
The sense that there are people out there who could take away | :10:31. | :10:35. | |
what we share as families and communities | :10:36. | :10:41. | |
Out of ?10 million of public money, just | :10:42. | :10:52. | |
over ?29 appears to be spent on the Six Fields football ground. | :10:53. | :10:57. | |
So what has happened to the other 8 million? | :10:58. | :11:02. | |
Tonight on Inside Out we try to follow the money trail | :11:03. | :11:05. | |
We uncover the fall outs and the legal action | :11:06. | :11:12. | |
in which there were claims that most of the money | :11:13. | :11:15. | |
It all started when the football club went to the local council | :11:16. | :11:23. | |
to ask for a loan to rebuild their ground. | :11:24. | :11:25. | |
The plans involved building an impressive new stand. | :11:26. | :11:29. | |
The council said OK and handed over ?10.25 million but a year and a half | :11:30. | :11:34. | |
later, the vast majority of the money is unaccounted | :11:35. | :11:36. | |
Most of the money seems to have vanished. | :11:37. | :11:42. | |
The stand that was meant to be built, as you can see behind | :11:43. | :11:45. | |
Money was given to the club which was then passed on to two | :11:46. | :11:55. | |
companies owned by a property developer called Howard Grossman, | :11:56. | :11:58. | |
A building company called Buckingham Group Contracting | :11:59. | :12:02. | |
was brought in to physically carry out the work and | :12:03. | :12:05. | |
There should be 2000 seats in the club's colours. | :12:06. | :12:20. | |
The next section up is effectively a corporate area, so you have got | :12:21. | :12:23. | |
At the front of the stand is where the disabled | :12:24. | :12:27. | |
The upper floor was just going to be left as a shell because the scope | :12:28. | :12:33. | |
of the contract didn't include fitting | :12:34. | :12:35. | |
Buckingham's workmen started building the new stand in the summer | :12:36. | :12:41. | |
of 2014 but then payments through Howard Grossman 's company | :12:42. | :12:45. | |
The builders had no choice but to down tools. | :12:46. | :12:49. | |
Despite repeated promises, the builders received just | :12:50. | :12:55. | |
?491,000 out of a contract worth ?4.1 million. | :12:56. | :13:00. | |
Frustrated, particularly when it is a project | :13:01. | :13:10. | |
where the actual funding is provided by the local borough council. | :13:11. | :13:13. | |
And a very substantial amount of funding. | :13:14. | :13:17. | |
Looking back on it now do you feel duped? That's a strong word. The | :13:18. | :13:26. | |
situation we are in is we are carried out the works and | :13:27. | :13:30. | |
effectively payments certified as being due to us and the project | :13:31. | :13:35. | |
whether funding should be in place. Obviously, the fact that the money | :13:36. | :13:39. | |
has come back to us means there is something happened that probably | :13:40. | :13:46. | |
needs some lawful understanding. So where's the rest the money? We have | :13:47. | :13:51. | |
to go back to a deal struck between the football club chairman at the | :13:52. | :13:55. | |
time, David Cardoza and Howard Grossman. The man he brought in to | :13:56. | :14:00. | |
oversee the project. We've been following the money to try to find | :14:01. | :14:06. | |
out where it went. We examine court papers and administrators report. We | :14:07. | :14:11. | |
start with 10.25 million handed over to the football club from the | :14:12. | :14:16. | |
borough council. From that, 8.75 million were then handed over to | :14:17. | :14:19. | |
Howard Grasse went through to have as companies. Out of that money, | :14:20. | :14:25. | |
around 2.6 million went back to David Cardoza and his father, some | :14:26. | :14:29. | |
of this went towards rebuilding his house. Almost 1.1 million went on | :14:30. | :14:36. | |
consultants please do Howard Grossman's Sun and other category | :14:37. | :14:40. | |
directors. 1.7 million went to other Grossman linked companies. Howard | :14:41. | :14:46. | |
Grossman paid in self ?314,000 in fees. The builders received only | :14:47. | :14:57. | |
?491,000. Taking into account the money spent on suppliers such as | :14:58. | :15:01. | |
architects and builders, the documentary we've seen says only a | :15:02. | :15:07. | |
fraction of the loan was spent on the redevelopment of the bubble | :15:08. | :15:13. | |
ground. But we can't be certain even that much was spent on the ground. | :15:14. | :15:16. | |
After some of the contractors complained they went paid, the club | :15:17. | :15:24. | |
then started legal proceedings. We've seen the document setting out | :15:25. | :15:28. | |
the club's case. Howard Grossman is accused of a breach of trust and | :15:29. | :15:32. | |
using a substantial amount of alone for purposes unconnected with the | :15:33. | :15:38. | |
redeveloped at the stadium. The party settled before it came to | :15:39. | :15:43. | |
court having signed a confidentiality clause is to keep | :15:44. | :15:47. | |
the Thames quite. The loan for the redevelopment came from Northampton | :15:48. | :15:49. | |
Borough Council so what objected they make to ensure that taxpayers | :15:50. | :15:56. | |
money has been probably like that? Inside out has led the negotiations | :15:57. | :15:59. | |
for the loan were led by Howard Grossman's company and his business | :16:00. | :16:03. | |
associates. ?10 million of public money is a very large amount so | :16:04. | :16:06. | |
you'd think the council would investigate the parties involved | :16:07. | :16:12. | |
very carefully. Did the authority not check the background of how | :16:13. | :16:16. | |
Grossman? I cannot confirm or deny that. Like I say, I wasn't involved | :16:17. | :16:23. | |
in the detail. In the policies and processes, I was not involved in. I | :16:24. | :16:29. | |
have been involved in setting up the investigation since things went | :16:30. | :16:32. | |
wrong. The leader of the council at the time was David Mackintosh. He | :16:33. | :16:37. | |
was one of those given responsibility for overseeing the | :16:38. | :16:42. | |
loan. Do you accept that Jude diligence wasn't done? I can't | :16:43. | :16:49. | |
confirm or deny that. I don't have access to the information. It needs | :16:50. | :16:54. | |
a large investigation. I will get to the bottom of every policy and | :16:55. | :16:58. | |
procedure and make sure that those that were in place were followed and | :16:59. | :17:03. | |
if not, why not. How angry are you about this? I'm extremely angry | :17:04. | :17:09. | |
about this. I am a taxpayer from Northampton as well as everyone | :17:10. | :17:13. | |
else. I would love to meet these people. I've not met them, the | :17:14. | :17:17. | |
people are done this to the town. It is the towns people of Northampton | :17:18. | :17:21. | |
who have lost this money. I'm very angry. In his first statement on his | :17:22. | :17:28. | |
involvement, David Mackintosh MP told us that he welcomed the police | :17:29. | :17:36. | |
and council investigations. Mr mackintoshes offices are behind me | :17:37. | :17:43. | |
and he said he was involved. They told us the council did not have a | :17:44. | :17:48. | |
direct relationship with Howard Grossman and that he did not attend | :17:49. | :17:53. | |
any meetings to negotiate the loan. Behind me, the offices of how | :17:54. | :17:57. | |
Grossman. We've asked repeatedly for an interview but he has declined our | :17:58. | :18:02. | |
requests. In a witnessed they'd made that we have seen, he denies | :18:03. | :18:07. | |
misappropriating the money and says that such claims are outrageous. He | :18:08. | :18:11. | |
disputes the claims made by the Buckingham group was up he says no | :18:12. | :18:15. | |
money has been misappropriated in the course of dealing with the | :18:16. | :18:19. | |
stadium project. David Cardoza is no longer chairman of Northampton town. | :18:20. | :18:25. | |
He sold his stake back in November. We have been unable to contact him. | :18:26. | :18:30. | |
Last week he was arrested and released on bail. Northamptonshire | :18:31. | :18:38. | |
Police say they are investigating. Back at six fields and discussions | :18:39. | :18:42. | |
are underway to finish this stand. The club is under new ownership and | :18:43. | :18:46. | |
have agreed deal to wipe out the loan. But the fans, there is still | :18:47. | :18:52. | |
bitterness. I do think anybody knew. People find it hard to understand | :18:53. | :18:59. | |
now exactly what went on. It clearly is complex. These people with their | :19:00. | :19:07. | |
own interests and they were not those of Northampton town. Now you | :19:08. | :19:15. | |
are about to witness them extraordinary talent other young | :19:16. | :19:21. | |
pater from Norfolk. At just 13 euros Kira Williamson has already made a | :19:22. | :19:24. | |
name brand self. But what makes him so good? | :19:25. | :19:32. | |
He started selling paintings at just six years old. | :19:33. | :19:35. | |
Now buyers from across the world pay anything from ?2,000 to ?45,000 | :19:36. | :19:50. | |
I am joining Norfolk teenager Kieron Williamson in Polperro | :19:51. | :19:56. | |
in Cornwall to see how this extraordinarily talented boy | :19:57. | :20:02. | |
Going out, especially on location, faced with your subject | :20:03. | :20:10. | |
and the unknown of how it is going to end, it is just | :20:11. | :20:13. | |
a mystery all the way through, because you have no idea until it | :20:14. | :20:17. | |
works when you get it back in your studio, really. | :20:18. | :20:28. | |
It is 9.00am and Kieron has already started. | :20:29. | :20:35. | |
For you, why this particular location and why Cornwall? | :20:36. | :20:39. | |
It is just everywhere you turn there is a picture. | :20:40. | :20:42. | |
Like a little cameo of a boat and somebody rowing in a boat, | :20:43. | :20:46. | |
or a big wide picture of old cottages and all the boats. | :20:47. | :20:50. | |
It is just something different everywhere you turn. | :20:51. | :20:53. | |
His inspiration has come from a school of painters who lived | :20:54. | :20:57. | |
and worked in the Cornish fishing village of Newlyn back | :20:58. | :21:01. | |
For this picture he is using oil paints but he works | :21:02. | :21:08. | |
All of them, oils, watercolours and pastels lend themselves | :21:09. | :21:16. | |
to different subjects so oils would be better for location, | :21:17. | :21:21. | |
I think, because you get them down quickly. | :21:22. | :21:26. | |
He has been painting for eight years, since the age of five. | :21:27. | :21:33. | |
We were on holiday down in Cornwall and I asked for a drawing pad | :21:34. | :21:38. | |
and the next day we went to the Eden Project | :21:39. | :21:42. | |
and that is when Mum and Dad bought me one. | :21:43. | :21:45. | |
And it was that evening we went down to the harbour | :21:46. | :21:48. | |
Drawing with pens and crayons of the harbour, cliff and a couple | :21:49. | :21:54. | |
From there we brought it back to Holt to the Picture Craft Gallery | :21:55. | :22:02. | |
and I was introduced into different materials and that and it sort off | :22:03. | :22:05. | |
We have kept it in the original sketch pad up in the attic. | :22:06. | :22:20. | |
Just a year after drawing these, his first painting sold for ?1,300. | :22:21. | :22:31. | |
Kieron has brought artist David Curtis on this trip. | :22:32. | :22:40. | |
David was also a young gifted artist. | :22:41. | :22:44. | |
You can start to enjoy all the little bits and pieces. | :22:45. | :22:52. | |
How do you feel about the tide having dropped? | :22:53. | :22:55. | |
I have not seen it drop but it does look a lot nicer with it out. | :22:56. | :23:00. | |
When you added them in, were the people there or is it | :23:01. | :23:11. | |
you have remembered that from maybe 20 mins, half hour before? | :23:12. | :23:15. | |
You sort of see a person and you sort of pick different bits | :23:16. | :23:20. | |
from different people and sort of create one body. | :23:21. | :23:24. | |
The body language of that little figure with all its economy | :23:25. | :23:26. | |
To achieve that skill level at this age is awesome. | :23:27. | :23:37. | |
I am just amazed you have done this is in this amount of time. | :23:38. | :23:46. | |
It is like a pile of mud, but if you can extrapolate all these | :23:47. | :24:00. | |
beautiful supple colours from that lot. | :24:01. | :24:01. | |
People say to me, how the devil do you get that subtlety from that | :24:02. | :24:06. | |
mish-mash of what is going off there. | :24:07. | :24:09. | |
It is lunchtime and Kieron has now finished his first painting, | :24:10. | :24:15. | |
but before we stop he is already thinking ahead to doing another one | :24:16. | :24:19. | |
while the light and tide are just right. | :24:20. | :24:27. | |
I think it is so perfect, now, this muddy foreshore. | :24:28. | :24:29. | |
It would be a shame to not use it like it is. | :24:30. | :24:38. | |
Being so talented has thrown Kieron into the media spotlight. | :24:39. | :25:06. | |
Does that feel like pressure on you, is it a compliment or do you sort | :25:07. | :25:13. | |
of, I don't know, take it on the chin and not worry about it? | :25:14. | :25:16. | |
Yeah, take it on the chin and don't worry about it. | :25:17. | :25:20. | |
You don't like it now, really, do you? | :25:21. | :25:22. | |
But Kieron's parents do see the benefits of being | :25:23. | :25:28. | |
We wouldn't be here without the media or the interest so, | :25:29. | :25:36. | |
for us, we feel privilege that they were interested in Kieron | :25:37. | :25:39. | |
to start with and given him the title of Mini-Monet. | :25:40. | :25:43. | |
Without all that, he wouldn't be where he is now. | :25:44. | :25:47. | |
And Kieron has grown up with it as well. | :25:48. | :25:49. | |
He has always been happy with people watching him paint. | :25:50. | :25:51. | |
He has always been happy painting in front of the camera | :25:52. | :25:54. | |
so because he is been OK with it, we have had be OK with it and, | :25:55. | :25:57. | |
you know? It was scary to start with because, | :25:58. | :26:04. | |
you know, there was just this constant with the cameras and then | :26:05. | :26:07. | |
they came in from America and we didn't know which way to turn | :26:08. | :26:10. | |
But it has all levelled out and, you know, people have been really | :26:11. | :26:14. | |
Yeah, with some tidying it could be quite nice I think. | :26:15. | :26:25. | |
Tiny bit, not too much cos you lose the edge, | :26:26. | :26:27. | |
As the daylight hours start to fade, Kieron has now finished | :26:28. | :26:32. | |
I have not met anybody else with the vision, | :26:33. | :26:44. | |
And to handle paint at 13 years of age is pretty much | :26:45. | :26:55. | |
Nearly two months later, I catch up with Kieron back | :26:56. | :27:04. | |
in his studio in Norfolk to find out what he has done | :27:05. | :27:07. | |
On the first one I have done very little subsequent work to it. | :27:08. | :27:19. | |
Added a couple of figures but also done a bigger picture of it, | :27:20. | :27:25. | |
an upright including more of the cliff and background and houses. | :27:26. | :27:32. | |
The second one I have only added a couple of figures in to it. | :27:33. | :27:36. | |
I am planning to scale it up and do a bigger one of it. | :27:37. | :27:48. | |
It is in my blood now so it is going to be quite hard | :27:49. | :27:51. | |
So I don't think I will ever stop painting. | :27:52. | :27:58. | |
And with a talent like that, let's hope he doesn't | :27:59. | :28:00. | |
And speaking of talent, this is amazing. | :28:01. | :28:04. | |
I got to jam with the original lead guitarist of Whitesnake. | :28:05. | :28:09. | |
That is because next week we are telling the incredible story | :28:10. | :28:12. | |
of the Milton Keynes company that powered the Rock revolution. | :28:13. | :28:15. | |
In the meantime, get in touch with me on twitter or you can | :28:16. | :28:21. | |
That is it from Northampton, I will see you next week. | :28:22. | :28:30. |