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We hear the full story of the man evicted from hospital | 0:00:03 | 0:00:06 | |
after a two-year stay. | 0:00:06 | 0:00:09 | |
As he gives up his hunger strike and finds some dignity to his life. | 0:00:09 | 0:00:13 | |
They're playing with my life. | 0:00:13 | 0:00:14 | |
I control my life. | 0:00:14 | 0:00:17 | |
Nobody else. | 0:00:17 | 0:00:22 | |
Police officer numbers are doubled in an effort to tackle | 0:00:22 | 0:00:24 | |
online child pornography. | 0:00:24 | 0:00:27 | |
I don't think we'll ever be able to reflect how bad it really | 0:00:27 | 0:00:30 | |
is in terms of what people are willing to do to | 0:00:30 | 0:00:33 | |
the most vulnerable people in society, children. | 0:00:33 | 0:00:37 | |
And be careful if you discover an archaeological treasure. | 0:00:37 | 0:00:40 | |
It could end up costing you a fortune. | 0:00:40 | 0:00:48 | |
Revealing the stories that matter closer to home. | 0:00:48 | 0:00:51 | |
That's tonight's Inside Out. | 0:00:51 | 0:00:53 | |
Hello and welcome to Gorleston in Norfolk. | 0:01:02 | 0:01:05 | |
He was one of Britain's's longest staying bed-blockers, | 0:01:05 | 0:01:06 | |
a patient who was on a ward here for more than two years. | 0:01:06 | 0:01:10 | |
When he was evicted, the story made national headlines, | 0:01:10 | 0:01:13 | |
but he didn't get much sympathy. | 0:01:13 | 0:01:15 | |
But who is he? | 0:01:15 | 0:01:16 | |
And why did it happen in the first place? | 0:01:16 | 0:01:19 | |
Debbie Tubby has the exclusive story. | 0:01:19 | 0:01:21 | |
It's my fight, it's my life, it's my business, all right? | 0:01:24 | 0:01:29 | |
And the authorities are here to serve the population | 0:01:29 | 0:01:31 | |
not to oppress them. | 0:01:31 | 0:01:36 | |
This is a story about a man who's paralysed from the chest down. | 0:01:36 | 0:01:39 | |
He says he's lost his dignity. | 0:01:39 | 0:01:41 | |
He's disillusioned with what he sees as a broken care system | 0:01:41 | 0:01:44 | |
and believes his death is the only way to change it. | 0:01:44 | 0:01:48 | |
When the eviction was first reported last month, | 0:01:48 | 0:01:51 | |
we didn't know his name. | 0:01:51 | 0:01:54 | |
There was outrage when the news broke that a patient | 0:01:54 | 0:01:56 | |
had been bed-blocking here at the James Paget Hospital | 0:01:56 | 0:01:58 | |
for almost 2.5 years, at a time when the hospital | 0:01:58 | 0:02:02 | |
was under huge pressure and was cancelling operations. | 0:02:02 | 0:02:07 | |
It's probably even more shocking that the BBC has since found out | 0:02:07 | 0:02:10 | |
that the patient didn't need to be here in the first place. | 0:02:10 | 0:02:14 | |
His name is Adriano Guedes. | 0:02:14 | 0:02:17 | |
He's Portuguese and came over here 15 years ago to work. | 0:02:17 | 0:02:21 | |
He championed migrant rights for the GMB union and volunteered | 0:02:21 | 0:02:24 | |
with the Citizen's Advice Bureau. | 0:02:24 | 0:02:28 | |
But in 2008, he had a stroke and his life changed forever. | 0:02:28 | 0:02:32 | |
He was given a flat, but lost his independence. | 0:02:32 | 0:02:37 | |
I was in a wheelchair on the second floor without any means of get out | 0:02:37 | 0:02:41 | |
or come in by my own means. | 0:02:41 | 0:02:47 | |
Refusing all offers of help, and fed up with seeing 2,000 | 0:02:47 | 0:02:50 | |
different carers in eight years, he forced his own eviction and ended | 0:02:50 | 0:02:53 | |
up on the street with no home. | 0:02:53 | 0:02:56 | |
No-one knew what to do so the police took him to hospital. | 0:02:56 | 0:02:59 | |
Did you need to be in hospital to get help? | 0:02:59 | 0:03:02 | |
Did you need medical help? | 0:03:02 | 0:03:06 | |
No, no, no. | 0:03:06 | 0:03:07 | |
Absolutely nothing. | 0:03:07 | 0:03:08 | |
There is no reason at all for me to be sent to the hospital. | 0:03:08 | 0:03:12 | |
This sign says it all - bedrest. | 0:03:12 | 0:03:17 | |
Trapped in a cycle of NHS and council care bureaucracy, | 0:03:17 | 0:03:19 | |
he tried a hunger strike. | 0:03:19 | 0:03:21 | |
It didn't change a thing. | 0:03:21 | 0:03:22 | |
In December last year, the hospital went to court to evict him. | 0:03:22 | 0:03:25 | |
I tracked him to a council flat in Suffolk. | 0:03:25 | 0:03:27 | |
He was cut off from the outside world. | 0:03:27 | 0:03:29 | |
It hadn't even been adapted for his needs. | 0:03:29 | 0:03:39 | |
There's nothing here for me. | 0:03:44 | 0:03:45 | |
Nothing. | 0:03:45 | 0:03:46 | |
Absolutely nothing. | 0:03:46 | 0:03:47 | |
What's it like living in this room? | 0:03:47 | 0:03:49 | |
I'm just waiting for a way out. | 0:03:49 | 0:03:50 | |
Either things work out or I pass away. | 0:03:50 | 0:03:52 | |
He tells me what happened in the hours after he was evicted | 0:03:52 | 0:03:55 | |
from the hospital in a basic wheelchair. | 0:03:55 | 0:04:00 | |
They were trying to convince me, force me, in a way, | 0:04:00 | 0:04:02 | |
to come into this place. | 0:04:02 | 0:04:03 | |
I decided I would stay on the pavement. | 0:04:03 | 0:04:11 | |
The stand-off lasted seven hours, in near freezing conditions. | 0:04:11 | 0:04:14 | |
This man saw what happened. | 0:04:14 | 0:04:15 | |
He didn't want to show his face. | 0:04:15 | 0:04:17 | |
I thought it was just so inhumane. | 0:04:17 | 0:04:18 | |
The authorities just got it wrong totally. | 0:04:18 | 0:04:21 | |
There was no compassion. | 0:04:21 | 0:04:29 | |
Eventually, Mr Guedes agreed to go inside, but collapsed. | 0:04:29 | 0:04:31 | |
It was a further three hours before paramedics lifted him into bed. | 0:04:31 | 0:04:36 | |
It's now mid-January, and he's on his second hunger strike | 0:04:36 | 0:04:38 | |
in a flat he can't get around. | 0:04:38 | 0:04:43 | |
This is the lounge. | 0:04:43 | 0:04:44 | |
As you can see, it's got nothing in it. | 0:04:44 | 0:04:46 | |
If you come through here to the kitchen you can see | 0:04:46 | 0:04:49 | |
there is a pile of food that hasn't been touched at all | 0:04:49 | 0:04:52 | |
since he's been here. | 0:04:52 | 0:04:55 | |
If you look in the fridge there are just some juices at the bottom. | 0:04:55 | 0:04:58 | |
Of course, he's drinking, but it's the food he's not eating. | 0:04:58 | 0:05:01 | |
You haven't eaten now for 20 days. | 0:05:01 | 0:05:02 | |
Yeah. | 0:05:02 | 0:05:04 | |
How are you feeling? | 0:05:04 | 0:05:05 | |
Weaker, but I'm still here. | 0:05:05 | 0:05:12 | |
All the authorities insist they've repeatedly tried to help him | 0:05:12 | 0:05:15 | |
and they've shown him compassionate. | 0:05:15 | 0:05:18 | |
Maybe he's becoming his own worst enemy. | 0:05:18 | 0:05:21 | |
So how can the stalemate be broken? | 0:05:21 | 0:05:25 | |
It's this man's job to try again. | 0:05:25 | 0:05:26 | |
He's a council housing officer and he wants to show me | 0:05:26 | 0:05:29 | |
what he's up against. | 0:05:29 | 0:05:32 | |
Good morning, Mr Guedes. | 0:05:32 | 0:05:35 | |
How are you today? | 0:05:35 | 0:05:38 | |
Adriano is not keen to talk about his accommodation. | 0:05:38 | 0:05:40 | |
He wants his own electric wheelchair back. | 0:05:40 | 0:05:44 | |
Housing is not my priority at the moment. | 0:05:44 | 0:05:46 | |
OK. | 0:05:46 | 0:05:47 | |
It never was since they took my wheelchair away from me. | 0:05:47 | 0:05:51 | |
Right. | 0:05:51 | 0:05:52 | |
The wheelchair is my priority. | 0:05:52 | 0:05:54 | |
The wheelchair is one of the reasons I am on hunger strike. | 0:05:54 | 0:06:00 | |
So how does that fit into your housing situation? | 0:06:00 | 0:06:03 | |
I would like to find out a little more. | 0:06:03 | 0:06:10 | |
My friend, without my wheelchair I don't even | 0:06:10 | 0:06:13 | |
want to think about housing. | 0:06:13 | 0:06:13 | |
Adriano is venting his anger against the wrong authority. | 0:06:13 | 0:06:20 | |
Mr Kodhelaj can only help him with housing. | 0:06:20 | 0:06:22 | |
They are playing with my life. | 0:06:22 | 0:06:24 | |
It's my life. | 0:06:24 | 0:06:24 | |
I control my life. | 0:06:24 | 0:06:26 | |
Nobody else. | 0:06:26 | 0:06:27 | |
Goddamn it, enough! | 0:06:27 | 0:06:28 | |
That's enough! | 0:06:28 | 0:06:30 | |
Leave me on the pavement. | 0:06:30 | 0:06:32 | |
I don't care. | 0:06:32 | 0:06:33 | |
That is enough. | 0:06:33 | 0:06:37 | |
I am sick of having the authorities deciding where I should | 0:06:37 | 0:06:46 | |
live, when I should eat, how much I eat, how much I drink. | 0:06:50 | 0:06:53 | |
Goddamn it, enough! | 0:06:53 | 0:06:54 | |
Leave me alone. | 0:06:54 | 0:06:55 | |
I think the council is trying to help. | 0:06:55 | 0:06:57 | |
No, the council is trying to help me in the wrong way. | 0:06:57 | 0:07:00 | |
Why don't you agree to having a wheelchair assessment? | 0:07:00 | 0:07:02 | |
You can get your wheelchair and then get your housing sorted. | 0:07:02 | 0:07:04 | |
Until you do that and start working with people, | 0:07:04 | 0:07:06 | |
it's not going to happen. | 0:07:07 | 0:07:08 | |
I will say yes to what fits me. | 0:07:08 | 0:07:10 | |
Anything else is no. | 0:07:10 | 0:07:13 | |
It's now early February, more than three weeks | 0:07:13 | 0:07:15 | |
since his last meal. | 0:07:15 | 0:07:16 | |
There's not much left of him. | 0:07:16 | 0:07:20 | |
Why are you just giving up? | 0:07:20 | 0:07:21 | |
I am not giving up, I am fighting. | 0:07:21 | 0:07:23 | |
You haven't eaten for 24 days. | 0:07:23 | 0:07:25 | |
What is going to make you start? | 0:07:25 | 0:07:29 | |
The wheelchair. | 0:07:29 | 0:07:33 | |
Hello, Adriano. | 0:07:40 | 0:07:41 | |
How are you? | 0:07:41 | 0:07:42 | |
Another visitor. | 0:07:42 | 0:07:46 | |
But, this time, not an authority figure. | 0:07:46 | 0:07:48 | |
Patrick Thompson has supported patients' rights for four decades. | 0:07:48 | 0:07:50 | |
What's gone on in the past, we can forget about. | 0:07:50 | 0:07:53 | |
We've now got to get you sorted and straight and living | 0:07:53 | 0:07:56 | |
with your dignity and your respect back to normal. | 0:07:56 | 0:07:58 | |
Yes? | 0:07:58 | 0:08:04 | |
And we're going to do it, aren't we? | 0:08:04 | 0:08:06 | |
Yeah. | 0:08:06 | 0:08:07 | |
Between us. | 0:08:07 | 0:08:09 | |
And within a few minutes, he's achieved what others failed to do. | 0:08:09 | 0:08:13 | |
Tomorrow we can start eating again. | 0:08:13 | 0:08:15 | |
Slowly. | 0:08:15 | 0:08:18 | |
One little mouthful at a time and one thing at a time. | 0:08:18 | 0:08:23 | |
Adriano agrees to give up his 24-day hunger strike. | 0:08:23 | 0:08:27 | |
So what did you do to change his mind? | 0:08:27 | 0:08:31 | |
Well, I just think it shows that you have to have compassion and be | 0:08:31 | 0:08:36 | |
with a person completely to show they are worth being here | 0:08:36 | 0:08:43 | |
and showing that the system can work for them. | 0:08:43 | 0:08:48 | |
If you hadn't persuaded him to go back to eating, | 0:08:48 | 0:08:50 | |
how bad do you think it would have gone? | 0:08:50 | 0:08:56 | |
We would have ended up with an inquest and then the fingers | 0:08:56 | 0:08:58 | |
would have been pointed. | 0:08:59 | 0:09:02 | |
Ten days ago, we returned. | 0:09:02 | 0:09:04 | |
Adriano is slowly putting on weight. | 0:09:04 | 0:09:10 | |
It's nice to see you smiling and looking well. | 0:09:10 | 0:09:12 | |
Good. | 0:09:12 | 0:09:14 | |
I've been to see the lady about the wheelchair. | 0:09:14 | 0:09:16 | |
I've also had a meeting with... | 0:09:16 | 0:09:20 | |
Patrick is true to his word. | 0:09:20 | 0:09:23 | |
I've got a meeting arranged with Great Yarmouth | 0:09:23 | 0:09:25 | |
Borough Council Housing. | 0:09:25 | 0:09:27 | |
That's my understanding of co-operation. | 0:09:27 | 0:09:28 | |
Yes, that's it. | 0:09:28 | 0:09:30 | |
At last he feels he's being listened to. | 0:09:30 | 0:09:33 | |
He's still in the same bed, still without a wheelchair. | 0:09:33 | 0:09:36 | |
What he has got back though, is his dignity. | 0:09:36 | 0:09:41 | |
It makes me feel I'm not alone. | 0:09:41 | 0:09:44 | |
I thought I was fighting the system alone. | 0:09:44 | 0:09:51 | |
Other people had their heads in the sand. | 0:09:51 | 0:09:54 | |
I don't know if they got courage to do something. | 0:09:54 | 0:10:01 | |
It has to change. | 0:10:01 | 0:10:02 | |
There's a lot to change. | 0:10:02 | 0:10:10 | |
If there is something you think we should be looking | 0:10:10 | 0:10:12 | |
into here on the programme, get in touch with me | 0:10:12 | 0:10:15 | |
on Twitter at David?InsideOut. | 0:10:15 | 0:10:16 | |
Or you can send me an e-mail. | 0:10:16 | 0:10:17 | |
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You're watching Inside Out for the East of England here on BBC One. | 0:10:24 | 0:10:28 | |
Later on, we are with the landowner whose Saxon discovery | 0:10:28 | 0:10:30 | |
became a money pit. | 0:10:30 | 0:10:31 | |
History has been changed but you have seriously got | 0:10:31 | 0:10:33 | |
to weigh up the cost. | 0:10:33 | 0:10:34 | |
To nearly lose your house, that's massive. | 0:10:34 | 0:10:41 | |
Children are more at risk than ever been contacted | 0:10:43 | 0:10:46 | |
online by a paedophile. | 0:10:46 | 0:10:47 | |
In response, one of our police forces has doubled the number | 0:10:47 | 0:10:49 | |
of officers going after them. | 0:10:49 | 0:10:50 | |
I spent some time with the team in Northamptonshire. | 0:10:50 | 0:10:56 | |
At present we do not believe there are any children | 0:10:56 | 0:10:58 | |
at the address but obviously that may change. | 0:10:58 | 0:11:01 | |
This is the usual briefing for the paedophile investigation | 0:11:01 | 0:11:04 | |
team in Northamptonshire as they prepare to make | 0:11:04 | 0:11:06 | |
yet another arrest. | 0:11:06 | 0:11:09 | |
In the last four months, the team has caught 25 suspects, | 0:11:09 | 0:11:12 | |
more than one a week. | 0:11:12 | 0:11:14 | |
Officers say the figure is growing. | 0:11:14 | 0:11:18 | |
These are just some of the mobiles, laptops and computers that have been | 0:11:20 | 0:11:26 | |
seized by the police. | 0:11:26 | 0:11:27 | |
All of these are waiting to be examined. | 0:11:27 | 0:11:29 | |
Every one of them, every single one of them literally contains | 0:11:29 | 0:11:31 | |
thousands of illegal images. | 0:11:31 | 0:11:36 | |
It kind of gives you an idea of what the police are up against. | 0:11:36 | 0:11:40 | |
DI Andy Rogers and his team don't only look for what has been | 0:11:40 | 0:11:43 | |
downloaded, they also see who the images have been shared | 0:11:43 | 0:11:45 | |
with and from that information they are able to build a map | 0:11:45 | 0:11:48 | |
of paedophile activity. | 0:11:48 | 0:11:57 | |
Andy, what is this chart all about? | 0:11:57 | 0:11:59 | |
This is an association chart that we would generally produce | 0:11:59 | 0:12:01 | |
when we are doing an investigation into indecent images of children. | 0:12:01 | 0:12:04 | |
We have got male one, who has been identified from intelligence, | 0:12:04 | 0:12:08 | |
and you can clearly see from one of our own investigations, | 0:12:08 | 0:12:10 | |
he is linked to numerous people across the maps. | 0:12:10 | 0:12:12 | |
They are like small organised crime groups. | 0:12:12 | 0:12:14 | |
Such a risk to our children in today's society because | 0:12:14 | 0:12:16 | |
everybody has got a tablet, a mobile phone device. | 0:12:16 | 0:12:19 | |
How much has the problem increased in your time working on this team? | 0:12:19 | 0:12:24 | |
Since 2014 when the team was created, this type of offending | 0:12:24 | 0:12:28 | |
as increased by 330%. | 0:12:28 | 0:12:31 | |
That is astonishing. | 0:12:31 | 0:12:32 | |
How do these paedophiles infiltrate the world of young people online? | 0:12:32 | 0:12:35 | |
Because lots of people live their lives on the Internet now. | 0:12:35 | 0:12:45 | |
We have got online games, chat rooms out there today | 0:12:48 | 0:12:50 | |
and you can go on there as yourself, you can pretend you are a 14 | 0:12:50 | 0:12:54 | |
or 15-year-old person and in reality you are a 30, | 0:12:54 | 0:12:56 | |
40-year-old male, or a 30, 40-year-old female, who will start | 0:12:56 | 0:12:58 | |
communicating with the individuals, getting their trust, | 0:12:58 | 0:13:00 | |
and that is where the problems occur, the grooming then commences. | 0:13:00 | 0:13:06 | |
How many suspects are being looking at in this case? | 0:13:06 | 0:13:08 | |
But despite doubling the size of their team | 0:13:08 | 0:13:13 | |
and arresting more suspects, the police say they are still only | 0:13:13 | 0:13:16 | |
getting to a fraction of these offenders. | 0:13:16 | 0:13:18 | |
Are you overwhelmed as a police force? | 0:13:18 | 0:13:19 | |
Definitely. | 0:13:20 | 0:13:22 | |
I think we are now getting the true feel of what is going on out | 0:13:22 | 0:13:26 | |
there on the Internet. | 0:13:26 | 0:13:27 | |
Parents are letting children go onto the Internet | 0:13:27 | 0:13:30 | |
from the age of four, five, six years old, | 0:13:30 | 0:13:32 | |
where probably ten years ago they wouldn't be allowed | 0:13:32 | 0:13:34 | |
to have a phone. | 0:13:34 | 0:13:38 | |
I don't think we'll ever be able to reflect how bad it really | 0:13:38 | 0:13:41 | |
is in terms of what people are willing to do to | 0:13:41 | 0:13:43 | |
the most vulnerable people in society, children. | 0:13:43 | 0:13:45 | |
One person who was made aware of this danger is Sarah, | 0:13:45 | 0:13:48 | |
who decided to meet a man she first met online, with life | 0:13:48 | 0:13:51 | |
changing consequences. | 0:13:51 | 0:13:55 | |
We have changed her name to protect her anonymity. | 0:13:55 | 0:13:58 | |
I went on this app and we started messaging and then one | 0:13:58 | 0:14:00 | |
thing led to another. | 0:14:00 | 0:14:05 | |
At this point did you know it was an older person? | 0:14:05 | 0:14:11 | |
He said he was 38 or something and I was kind of like... | 0:14:11 | 0:14:15 | |
I kind of ignored the fact that he was older because he | 0:14:15 | 0:14:18 | |
showed me attention. | 0:14:18 | 0:14:19 | |
Basically when we agreed to meet, I lied to my mum and we ended | 0:14:19 | 0:14:23 | |
up staying in a hotel. | 0:14:23 | 0:14:26 | |
He must have known you were underage. | 0:14:26 | 0:14:28 | |
Yeah. | 0:14:28 | 0:14:29 | |
I told him multiple times. | 0:14:29 | 0:14:31 | |
He would send me explicit photos of, like, everything, | 0:14:31 | 0:14:34 | |
and he was getting me to send photos back. | 0:14:34 | 0:14:42 | |
I thought that he actually cared about me when obviously he didn't, | 0:14:42 | 0:14:45 | |
he just wanted to use me like a rag doll. | 0:14:45 | 0:14:47 | |
And he raped you. | 0:14:47 | 0:14:48 | |
Yeah. | 0:14:48 | 0:14:50 | |
Sarah's abuser was jailed but police say for every paedophile they catch | 0:14:50 | 0:14:55 | |
there are many more. | 0:14:55 | 0:14:57 | |
But is sentencing always the answer? | 0:14:57 | 0:15:07 | |
Donald Findlater from the Lucy Faithfull Foundation | 0:15:08 | 0:15:10 | |
believes there is another way. | 0:15:10 | 0:15:11 | |
His organisation provides counselling workshops to help | 0:15:11 | 0:15:13 | |
paedophiles to stop offending. | 0:15:13 | 0:15:14 | |
They have seen a steady rise in the number of people | 0:15:14 | 0:15:16 | |
being referred to them for help and a rise in the number of people | 0:15:16 | 0:15:20 | |
referring themselves for help. | 0:15:20 | 0:15:21 | |
Can somebody develop an unhealthy sexual attraction to children | 0:15:21 | 0:15:23 | |
that they didn't have before? | 0:15:23 | 0:15:24 | |
Yes, they certainly can. | 0:15:24 | 0:15:25 | |
What we found in terms of indecent images of children online is that | 0:15:25 | 0:15:28 | |
three quarters of the men viewing those indecent images of children | 0:15:28 | 0:15:31 | |
were, previous to that viewing, heavy adult pornography users, | 0:15:31 | 0:15:34 | |
legal material, but because the online environment encourages | 0:15:34 | 0:15:38 | |
you to look around to see what else is there, these men have found | 0:15:38 | 0:15:41 | |
that they could look at sexual images... | 0:15:41 | 0:15:44 | |
Maybe the label was barely legal or jailbait, something | 0:15:44 | 0:15:47 | |
that they knew was going to be younger than they were normally | 0:15:47 | 0:15:52 | |
looking at, and then some of them then get stuck in that place | 0:15:52 | 0:15:55 | |
of looking at those younger and younger images. | 0:15:55 | 0:15:57 | |
Despite police arresting record numbers of suspected paedophiles, | 0:15:57 | 0:16:01 | |
the Lucy Faithfull Foundation says that is just a small fraction | 0:16:01 | 0:16:04 | |
of the actual number of online offenders. | 0:16:04 | 0:16:08 | |
It is very emotive. | 0:16:08 | 0:16:10 | |
A lot of people look at this and say a paedophile is a paedophile | 0:16:10 | 0:16:14 | |
and they should just be locked up. | 0:16:14 | 0:16:16 | |
I entirely understand that. | 0:16:16 | 0:16:23 | |
I am a parent and grandparent. | 0:16:23 | 0:16:25 | |
These crimes are appalling. | 0:16:25 | 0:16:26 | |
What these people do is appalling online. | 0:16:26 | 0:16:27 | |
But we have to face the reality that the police will not, | 0:16:27 | 0:16:30 | |
cannot arrest them all. | 0:16:30 | 0:16:32 | |
So by saying lock them all up, what we are doing is we are denying | 0:16:32 | 0:16:35 | |
the size of the problem, because we know the police | 0:16:35 | 0:16:37 | |
are committing more and more resources, the chances of getting | 0:16:37 | 0:16:40 | |
arrested are increasing, but there is still this volume | 0:16:40 | 0:16:42 | |
problem to be dealt with. | 0:16:42 | 0:16:44 | |
John, not his real name, was arrested for downloading | 0:16:44 | 0:16:46 | |
indecent images of children and given a community order. | 0:16:46 | 0:16:53 | |
He says the Lucy Faithfull Foundation has helped him understand | 0:16:53 | 0:16:55 | |
the impact of his offending. | 0:16:55 | 0:16:58 | |
John, first of all, can you talk me through what happened to lead | 0:16:58 | 0:17:02 | |
you on to looking at images of children online? | 0:17:02 | 0:17:07 | |
I've been using pornography for an extremely long time, | 0:17:07 | 0:17:12 | |
probably in the region of 20 years. | 0:17:12 | 0:17:17 | |
It started off for me kind of starting to get bored and wanting | 0:17:17 | 0:17:21 | |
to find something a bit different, that the new. | 0:17:21 | 0:17:26 | |
-- to find something a bit different, a bit new. | 0:17:26 | 0:17:29 | |
It was very easy to download a wide variety of different | 0:17:29 | 0:17:31 | |
pornographic images very easily. | 0:17:32 | 0:17:33 | |
But the offset was a lot of those images would be fake | 0:17:33 | 0:17:35 | |
or they wouldn't work or some of them would actually be illegal | 0:17:35 | 0:17:38 | |
images involving underage, including children, | 0:17:38 | 0:17:39 | |
and that was something I started coming into contact with. | 0:17:39 | 0:17:47 | |
You must have realised that by looking at images | 0:17:47 | 0:17:49 | |
of children being abused, you were perpetuating the crime. | 0:17:49 | 0:17:54 | |
Children were being abused basically for your gratification and other | 0:17:54 | 0:17:56 | |
paedophiles' gratification. | 0:17:56 | 0:17:58 | |
I have to say, honestly, I didn't realise that at the time. | 0:17:58 | 0:18:01 | |
I was genuinely ignorant that this was actually | 0:18:01 | 0:18:05 | |
causing harm to children. | 0:18:05 | 0:18:09 | |
Perhaps I didn't want to realise that but I guess I didn't | 0:18:09 | 0:18:12 | |
dwell on it too much. | 0:18:12 | 0:18:14 | |
Do you have remorse about what you have done now? | 0:18:14 | 0:18:17 | |
Huge remorse. | 0:18:17 | 0:18:24 | |
With what I have learned from these workshops and speaking | 0:18:24 | 0:18:27 | |
to the people on the helpline, I am now fully aware of the damage | 0:18:27 | 0:18:30 | |
that I have caused and I am trying to find a way to live with that | 0:18:30 | 0:18:34 | |
whilst also making sure that horrible feeling, | 0:18:34 | 0:18:40 | |
using that horrible feeling as a tool to stop me ever | 0:18:40 | 0:18:43 | |
going down that path again. | 0:18:43 | 0:18:44 | |
John says he was fortunate to be arrested and to | 0:18:44 | 0:18:46 | |
have help when needed. | 0:18:47 | 0:18:48 | |
Many others are sadly not stopped. | 0:18:48 | 0:18:52 | |
We get between 700 and 800 calls a month, | 0:18:52 | 0:18:56 | |
40% of those calls are from men worried about themselves. | 0:18:56 | 0:18:59 | |
26% of the calls are from women worried about a man in their life, | 0:18:59 | 0:19:02 | |
whether it is their dad or their brother or the | 0:19:02 | 0:19:05 | |
neighbour next door. | 0:19:05 | 0:19:06 | |
So we can see the total volumes and what we have seen | 0:19:06 | 0:19:08 | |
is calls from men concerned about their online sexual | 0:19:08 | 0:19:11 | |
behaviour are increasing. | 0:19:11 | 0:19:13 | |
Today, the police have arrested another suspected paedophile | 0:19:13 | 0:19:15 | |
and are taking him into custody. | 0:19:15 | 0:19:19 | |
And from arrests like this, over the last four months, | 0:19:19 | 0:19:22 | |
police in Northamptonshire have protected nearly 60 children | 0:19:22 | 0:19:24 | |
from potential sexual abuse. | 0:19:24 | 0:19:34 | |
When a builder discovered a unique hoard of Saxon coffins on his land | 0:19:34 | 0:19:37 | |
at Great Ryburgh in Norfolk, nothing could have prepared him | 0:19:37 | 0:19:41 | |
for the financial loss he was about to face. | 0:19:41 | 0:19:43 | |
Rob Setchell has the story for us. | 0:19:43 | 0:19:47 | |
When Gary Boyce set out to create a fishing lake to protect his house | 0:19:47 | 0:19:52 | |
and his neighbours from flooding, he had no idea | 0:19:52 | 0:19:54 | |
what he would uncover. | 0:19:54 | 0:19:58 | |
Buried on his land in Great Ryburgh, 81 Saxon coffins, | 0:19:58 | 0:20:01 | |
one of the greatest archaeological finds of the 21st century. | 0:20:01 | 0:20:06 | |
Due to the waterlogged conditions, archaeologists now have the chance | 0:20:06 | 0:20:09 | |
to date the exact year of an entire Anglo-Saxon cemetery, | 0:20:09 | 0:20:12 | |
thought to date all the way back to the eighth century. | 0:20:12 | 0:20:18 | |
But the story behind the headlines is not what you might imagine. | 0:20:18 | 0:20:23 | |
It is well over six months since the wooden coffins were found, | 0:20:23 | 0:20:26 | |
preserved in the perfect conditions of the river valley. | 0:20:26 | 0:20:28 | |
So where have those priceless pieces of history been taken? | 0:20:28 | 0:20:31 | |
Well, nowhere. | 0:20:31 | 0:20:36 | |
Since they were dug out of the ground, they have stayed | 0:20:36 | 0:20:38 | |
here at Gary's house. | 0:20:38 | 0:20:39 | |
Hi, Gary. | 0:20:39 | 0:20:40 | |
Morning, Rob. | 0:20:40 | 0:20:41 | |
Lovely to meet you. | 0:20:41 | 0:20:42 | |
You, too. | 0:20:42 | 0:20:45 | |
Right, what have we got here? | 0:20:45 | 0:20:49 | |
Well, here we have two of the Anglo-Saxon oak | 0:20:49 | 0:20:51 | |
tree trunk coffins. | 0:20:51 | 0:20:53 | |
Why are things like this sat outside in your driveway? | 0:20:53 | 0:20:56 | |
They were left on site. | 0:20:56 | 0:20:57 | |
They are stored here. | 0:20:57 | 0:20:58 | |
But aren't these valuable? | 0:20:58 | 0:20:59 | |
There is no idea of value. | 0:20:59 | 0:21:01 | |
They have never really been found before. | 0:21:01 | 0:21:02 | |
And there are even more of them in his shed. | 0:21:02 | 0:21:05 | |
Here they are. | 0:21:05 | 0:21:08 | |
How many have we got? | 0:21:08 | 0:21:09 | |
I think probably around 60-70. | 0:21:09 | 0:21:15 | |
Stacked up here. | 0:21:15 | 0:21:21 | |
Obviously all in various stages of preservation, | 0:21:21 | 0:21:23 | |
as we found them in the ground. | 0:21:23 | 0:21:24 | |
They look incredible. | 0:21:24 | 0:21:26 | |
What was like when you pulled these out of the ground? | 0:21:26 | 0:21:29 | |
Shock, horror, exhilaration at finding something so unique. | 0:21:29 | 0:21:32 | |
Really, what is this going to cost me? | 0:21:32 | 0:21:34 | |
So what are the costs running at? | 0:21:34 | 0:21:36 | |
I'm currently at around ?250,000. | 0:21:36 | 0:21:37 | |
Quite a lot of money, then. | 0:21:37 | 0:21:45 | |
But if you do find a treasure trove on your land, you are liable | 0:21:45 | 0:21:48 | |
for the initial exploration costs. | 0:21:48 | 0:21:50 | |
In Gary's case, human remains were found and that pushed | 0:21:50 | 0:21:52 | |
the bill even higher. | 0:21:52 | 0:21:58 | |
My initial quote was for any burial, would be ?500 per burial. | 0:21:58 | 0:22:03 | |
So when at the end, I think it was around about 2-3 weeks, | 0:22:03 | 0:22:06 | |
we were on around about 60, it'll give you an idea... | 0:22:06 | 0:22:09 | |
And things went from bad to worse. | 0:22:09 | 0:22:12 | |
Gary's conservation project had to be put on hold | 0:22:12 | 0:22:21 | |
when the historical significance of the hoard became apparent and | 0:22:21 | 0:22:23 | |
this incurred even more costs for Gary. | 0:22:23 | 0:22:25 | |
We were being asked to find an additional ?150,000 | 0:22:25 | 0:22:28 | |
or thereabouts to carry out and cover the cost of the excavation | 0:22:28 | 0:22:30 | |
and archaeology investigations on the burial site. | 0:22:30 | 0:22:34 | |
What did you do? | 0:22:34 | 0:22:44 | |
That left me in an absolutely ludicrous situation. | 0:22:44 | 0:22:46 | |
It is a family doing a flood prevention conservation lake | 0:22:46 | 0:22:49 | |
and already facing massive losses, remortgaging, with no end in sight. | 0:22:49 | 0:22:55 | |
We were held up and in the end fortunately funding came | 0:22:55 | 0:22:58 | |
through but I had even started re-covering the burial site. | 0:22:58 | 0:23:01 | |
The desperately needed funding to exhume the bodies came | 0:23:01 | 0:23:03 | |
from Historic England, some ?90,000. | 0:23:03 | 0:23:12 | |
But why, when this was such a significant find, did it take | 0:23:12 | 0:23:15 | |
so long for it to arrive? | 0:23:15 | 0:23:16 | |
There was a period of time between us being called in and... | 0:23:16 | 0:23:19 | |
I believe his work started some time before we were actually aware of it. | 0:23:19 | 0:23:22 | |
As soon as we did become aware of it, the significance was very | 0:23:22 | 0:23:25 | |
clear from the very beginning and we tried to operate as quickly | 0:23:25 | 0:23:28 | |
as we could and provide some support to Gary because obviously | 0:23:28 | 0:23:31 | |
he is in a very difficult position. | 0:23:31 | 0:23:33 | |
Gary believes that a burial of such historical importance | 0:23:33 | 0:23:35 | |
should have warranted a quicker official response. | 0:23:35 | 0:23:39 | |
But in archaeological circles, the decision of what to do with such | 0:23:39 | 0:23:42 | |
discoveries takes time. | 0:23:42 | 0:23:47 | |
The issue is to do with cost and cost recovery at that point. | 0:23:47 | 0:23:50 | |
Because of the extraordinary nature and breadth of the archaeology | 0:23:50 | 0:23:54 | |
which was uncovered. | 0:23:54 | 0:23:56 | |
Ultimately how archaeological processes work and how | 0:23:56 | 0:23:58 | |
archaeologists view sites doesn't always translate particularly | 0:23:58 | 0:24:00 | |
well to the layman. | 0:24:00 | 0:24:02 | |
That helps explain how the system works but it hasn't stopped to Gary | 0:24:02 | 0:24:05 | |
ending up with a shed full of Saxon coffins. | 0:24:05 | 0:24:11 | |
Yes, it may have seemed unusual to have left the coffins behind | 0:24:11 | 0:24:14 | |
but actually that is part of the strategy | 0:24:14 | 0:24:17 | |
for collection and storage, to make sure we get the best coffin | 0:24:17 | 0:24:20 | |
into the record, into the museum. | 0:24:20 | 0:24:21 | |
But we can't store every coffin and take everything away. | 0:24:21 | 0:24:24 | |
The museum's stores would be full. | 0:24:24 | 0:24:28 | |
Despite the funding from Historic England, | 0:24:28 | 0:24:30 | |
which will continue | 0:24:30 | 0:24:32 | |
over the next two years, delays and being unable | 0:24:32 | 0:24:36 | |
to run his business meant to Gary is now looking at ways he might be | 0:24:36 | 0:24:40 | |
able to claw back some of the money. | 0:24:40 | 0:24:42 | |
Some of the more significant ones. | 0:24:42 | 0:24:44 | |
There are between ?15,000 and ?20,000 in finds that | 0:24:44 | 0:24:48 | |
I have managed to recover, eight or nine weeks in the summer, | 0:24:48 | 0:24:52 | |
going back through 10,000 tonnes of topsoil, to find these items. | 0:24:52 | 0:24:56 | |
Not an easy job. | 0:24:56 | 0:24:59 | |
Purely by metal detecting, the first coin we found | 0:24:59 | 0:25:08 | |
was a King Aethelwulf, sorry, Aethelweard from 845-850. | 0:25:08 | 0:25:10 | |
It is a very, very rare coin. | 0:25:10 | 0:25:13 | |
What happens with the coffins now? | 0:25:13 | 0:25:15 | |
There is a possibility of selling or auctioning but at this stage | 0:25:15 | 0:25:18 | |
we have no idea of value. | 0:25:18 | 0:25:19 | |
The items are unique. | 0:25:19 | 0:25:20 | |
Auctioneers can't put a value on that. | 0:25:20 | 0:25:22 | |
But there is some value. | 0:25:22 | 0:25:23 | |
Castle Museum have one donated by the family. | 0:25:23 | 0:25:28 | |
With one of the coffins destined for Norwich Castle, | 0:25:28 | 0:25:30 | |
I'm meeting the curator of archaeology, Tim Pestell, | 0:25:30 | 0:25:32 | |
to find out what happens next and whether Gary's dilemma can be | 0:25:32 | 0:25:35 | |
made any easier. | 0:25:35 | 0:25:37 | |
Is it true to say that the benefit here is all historical, | 0:25:37 | 0:25:40 | |
there is no financial benefit? | 0:25:40 | 0:25:44 | |
Yes, the landowner got unlucky in the sense that this was one | 0:25:44 | 0:25:50 | |
of those excavations that happened to hit treasure for archaeologists | 0:25:50 | 0:25:53 | |
because the site was so unique, it is nationally significant. | 0:25:53 | 0:25:55 | |
Great Ryburgh will go down as one of those sites in the academic | 0:25:55 | 0:25:59 | |
textbooks as well as hopefully the popular books as an example | 0:25:59 | 0:26:03 | |
of an early Christian community, and so within the constraints | 0:26:03 | 0:26:06 | |
of a normal archaeological excavation that you would have | 0:26:06 | 0:26:08 | |
funded, you wouldn't expect something like that, | 0:26:08 | 0:26:16 | |
and in his case, as I say, he got unlucky because it was so wonderful, | 0:26:16 | 0:26:21 | |
it wasn't expected, but that is also why Historic England have put | 0:26:21 | 0:26:24 | |
thousands of pounds into rescuing that site, to make sure | 0:26:24 | 0:26:26 | |
we get as much information out of it as possible. | 0:26:26 | 0:26:30 | |
And what happens to some of the artefacts we have found now? | 0:26:30 | 0:26:33 | |
We are hoping that some of the material will | 0:26:33 | 0:26:35 | |
come to the castle. | 0:26:35 | 0:26:36 | |
So at the moment we have got a coffin that is still water logged, | 0:26:36 | 0:26:41 | |
and that is going to be sent off to York for conservation, which is | 0:26:41 | 0:26:48 | |
going to be a costly process, and it will take | 0:26:48 | 0:26:50 | |
a lot of time. | 0:26:50 | 0:26:51 | |
But in the future, we hope that it will come back and we can show | 0:26:51 | 0:26:55 | |
it in our Anglo-Saxon and Viking Gallery | 0:26:55 | 0:26:56 | |
here in Norwich Castle. | 0:26:56 | 0:26:57 | |
So, while Norwich Castle Museum are still to decide | 0:26:57 | 0:27:00 | |
on whether they are able to raise the funds to take any | 0:27:00 | 0:27:03 | |
of the items Gary discovered while metal detecting, | 0:27:03 | 0:27:04 | |
his financial woes remain unresolved. | 0:27:04 | 0:27:07 | |
From the point of view of a small developer like Gary, | 0:27:07 | 0:27:11 | |
an unexpected find like that can be very difficult to deal with and does | 0:27:11 | 0:27:15 | |
obviously compromise his operations. | 0:27:15 | 0:27:16 | |
In 99% of the cases, it all goes very smoothly and people | 0:27:16 | 0:27:19 | |
know what archaeology they have got to deal with and they | 0:27:19 | 0:27:21 | |
can plan for it. | 0:27:21 | 0:27:24 | |
Unfortunately for Gary, he wasn't able to plan for it. | 0:27:24 | 0:27:27 | |
So this is what it was all about, then. | 0:27:27 | 0:27:29 | |
The fishing lake and the flood prevention scheme. | 0:27:29 | 0:27:34 | |
Yeah, very muddy still at the moment, over a year later. | 0:27:34 | 0:27:36 | |
In our situation, it was a really difficult one in that | 0:27:36 | 0:27:39 | |
we'd already started. | 0:27:39 | 0:27:40 | |
We were damned if we did and damned if we didn't. | 0:27:40 | 0:27:43 | |
Yes, you have found something that is extraordinary, | 0:27:43 | 0:27:46 | |
the preservation of the tree trunk coffins and planks are | 0:27:46 | 0:27:49 | |
absolutely extraordinary. | 0:27:49 | 0:27:50 | |
History has been changed but you have seriously got | 0:27:50 | 0:27:52 | |
to weigh up the cost. | 0:27:52 | 0:27:53 | |
To nearly lose your house, that is massive. | 0:27:53 | 0:27:58 | |
That is it for this programme. | 0:28:04 | 0:28:06 | |
Next week, Olympic champion Gail Emms and I try to get to grips | 0:28:06 | 0:28:09 | |
with electric cars in Milton Keynes. | 0:28:09 | 0:28:12 | |
I don't want to pull it too much in case I break it. | 0:28:12 | 0:28:15 | |
I know. | 0:28:15 | 0:28:16 | |
Is it still charging? | 0:28:16 | 0:28:18 | |
No, I've taken it out. | 0:28:18 | 0:28:19 | |
Why is that light flashing? | 0:28:19 | 0:28:20 | |
I don't know. | 0:28:20 | 0:28:21 | |
In the meantime, you can get in touch with me | 0:28:21 | 0:28:24 | |
on Twitter at David?InsideOut, or you can send an e-mail, | 0:28:24 | 0:28:27 | |
they all get passed on to the team, [email protected]. | 0:28:27 | 0:28:31 | |
But that is it from Gorleston in Norfolk. | 0:28:31 | 0:28:33 | |
I'll catch up with you next week. | 0:28:33 | 0:28:34 | |
Bye-bye. | 0:28:34 | 0:28:37 | |
Also next week, a former undercover police officer tells us | 0:28:37 | 0:28:39 | |
why he believes drugs should be legalised. | 0:28:39 | 0:28:43 | |
I now realise that all of the work I did had no benefit whatsoever. | 0:28:43 | 0:28:48 | |
And I certainly believe something has got to change. | 0:28:48 | 0:28:53 | |
And we look at a apprenticeships. | 0:28:53 | 0:28:55 | |
Are they too open to abuse? | 0:28:55 | 0:28:57 | |
That is Inside Out next Monday, 7:30pm on BBC One. | 0:28:57 | 0:29:03 | |
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when the wrong winner for best film was announced. | 0:29:13 | 0:29:15 | |
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