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We hear the full story of the man evicted from hospital

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after a two-year stay.

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As he gives up his hunger strike and finds some dignity to his life.

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They're playing with my life.

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I control my life.

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Nobody else.

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Police officer numbers are doubled in an effort to tackle

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online child pornography.

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I don't think we'll ever be able to reflect how bad it really

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is in terms of what people are willing to do to

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the most vulnerable people in society, children.

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And be careful if you discover an archaeological treasure.

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It could end up costing you a fortune.

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Revealing the stories that matter closer to home.

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That's tonight's Inside Out.

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Hello and welcome to Gorleston in Norfolk.

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He was one of Britain's's longest staying bed-blockers,

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a patient who was on a ward here for more than two years.

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When he was evicted, the story made national headlines,

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but he didn't get much sympathy.

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But who is he?

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And why did it happen in the first place?

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Debbie Tubby has the exclusive story.

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It's my fight, it's my life, it's my business, all right?

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And the authorities are here to serve the population

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not to oppress them.

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This is a story about a man who's paralysed from the chest down.

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He says he's lost his dignity.

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He's disillusioned with what he sees as a broken care system

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and believes his death is the only way to change it.

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When the eviction was first reported last month,

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we didn't know his name.

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There was outrage when the news broke that a patient

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had been bed-blocking here at the James Paget Hospital

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for almost 2.5 years, at a time when the hospital

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was under huge pressure and was cancelling operations.

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It's probably even more shocking that the BBC has since found out

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that the patient didn't need to be here in the first place.

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His name is Adriano Guedes.

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He's Portuguese and came over here 15 years ago to work.

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He championed migrant rights for the GMB union and volunteered

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with the Citizen's Advice Bureau.

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But in 2008, he had a stroke and his life changed forever.

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He was given a flat, but lost his independence.

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I was in a wheelchair on the second floor without any means of get out

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or come in by my own means.

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Refusing all offers of help, and fed up with seeing 2,000

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different carers in eight years, he forced his own eviction and ended

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up on the street with no home.

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No-one knew what to do so the police took him to hospital.

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Did you need to be in hospital to get help?

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Did you need medical help?

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No, no, no.

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Absolutely nothing.

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There is no reason at all for me to be sent to the hospital.

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This sign says it all - bedrest.

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Trapped in a cycle of NHS and council care bureaucracy,

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he tried a hunger strike.

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It didn't change a thing.

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In December last year, the hospital went to court to evict him.

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I tracked him to a council flat in Suffolk.

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He was cut off from the outside world.

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It hadn't even been adapted for his needs.

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There's nothing here for me.

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Nothing.

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Absolutely nothing.

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What's it like living in this room?

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I'm just waiting for a way out.

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Either things work out or I pass away.

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He tells me what happened in the hours after he was evicted

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from the hospital in a basic wheelchair.

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They were trying to convince me, force me, in a way,

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to come into this place.

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I decided I would stay on the pavement.

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The stand-off lasted seven hours, in near freezing conditions.

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This man saw what happened.

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He didn't want to show his face.

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I thought it was just so inhumane.

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The authorities just got it wrong totally.

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There was no compassion.

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Eventually, Mr Guedes agreed to go inside, but collapsed.

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It was a further three hours before paramedics lifted him into bed.

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It's now mid-January, and he's on his second hunger strike

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in a flat he can't get around.

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This is the lounge.

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As you can see, it's got nothing in it.

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If you come through here to the kitchen you can see

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there is a pile of food that hasn't been touched at all

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since he's been here.

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If you look in the fridge there are just some juices at the bottom.

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Of course, he's drinking, but it's the food he's not eating.

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You haven't eaten now for 20 days.

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Yeah.

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How are you feeling?

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Weaker, but I'm still here.

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All the authorities insist they've repeatedly tried to help him

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and they've shown him compassionate.

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Maybe he's becoming his own worst enemy.

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So how can the stalemate be broken?

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It's this man's job to try again.

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He's a council housing officer and he wants to show me

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what he's up against.

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Good morning, Mr Guedes.

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How are you today?

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Adriano is not keen to talk about his accommodation.

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He wants his own electric wheelchair back.

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Housing is not my priority at the moment.

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OK.

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It never was since they took my wheelchair away from me.

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Right.

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The wheelchair is my priority.

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The wheelchair is one of the reasons I am on hunger strike.

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So how does that fit into your housing situation?

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I would like to find out a little more.

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My friend, without my wheelchair I don't even

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want to think about housing.

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Adriano is venting his anger against the wrong authority.

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Mr Kodhelaj can only help him with housing.

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They are playing with my life.

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It's my life.

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I control my life.

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Nobody else.

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Goddamn it, enough!

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That's enough!

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Leave me on the pavement.

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I don't care.

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That is enough.

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I am sick of having the authorities deciding where I should

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live, when I should eat, how much I eat, how much I drink.

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Goddamn it, enough!

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Leave me alone.

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I think the council is trying to help.

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No, the council is trying to help me in the wrong way.

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Why don't you agree to having a wheelchair assessment?

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You can get your wheelchair and then get your housing sorted.

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Until you do that and start working with people,

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it's not going to happen.

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I will say yes to what fits me.

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Anything else is no.

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It's now early February, more than three weeks

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since his last meal.

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There's not much left of him.

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Why are you just giving up?

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I am not giving up, I am fighting.

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You haven't eaten for 24 days.

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What is going to make you start?

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The wheelchair.

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Hello, Adriano.

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How are you?

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Another visitor.

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But, this time, not an authority figure.

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Patrick Thompson has supported patients' rights for four decades.

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What's gone on in the past, we can forget about.

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We've now got to get you sorted and straight and living

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with your dignity and your respect back to normal.

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Yes?

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And we're going to do it, aren't we?

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Yeah.

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Between us.

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And within a few minutes, he's achieved what others failed to do.

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Tomorrow we can start eating again.

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Slowly.

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One little mouthful at a time and one thing at a time.

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Adriano agrees to give up his 24-day hunger strike.

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So what did you do to change his mind?

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Well, I just think it shows that you have to have compassion and be

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with a person completely to show they are worth being here

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and showing that the system can work for them.

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If you hadn't persuaded him to go back to eating,

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how bad do you think it would have gone?

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We would have ended up with an inquest and then the fingers

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would have been pointed.

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Ten days ago, we returned.

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Adriano is slowly putting on weight.

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It's nice to see you smiling and looking well.

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Good.

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I've been to see the lady about the wheelchair.

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I've also had a meeting with...

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Patrick is true to his word.

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I've got a meeting arranged with Great Yarmouth

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Borough Council Housing.

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That's my understanding of co-operation.

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Yes, that's it.

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At last he feels he's being listened to.

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He's still in the same bed, still without a wheelchair.

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What he has got back though, is his dignity.

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It makes me feel I'm not alone.

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I thought I was fighting the system alone.

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Other people had their heads in the sand.

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I don't know if they got courage to do something.

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It has to change.

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There's a lot to change.

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If there is something you think we should be looking

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into here on the programme, get in touch with me

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on Twitter at David?InsideOut.

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Or you can send me an e-mail.

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[email protected].

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You're watching Inside Out for the East of England here on BBC One.

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Later on, we are with the landowner whose Saxon discovery

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became a money pit.

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History has been changed but you have seriously got

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to weigh up the cost.

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To nearly lose your house, that's massive.

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Children are more at risk than ever been contacted

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online by a paedophile.

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In response, one of our police forces has doubled the number

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of officers going after them.

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I spent some time with the team in Northamptonshire.

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At present we do not believe there are any children

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at the address but obviously that may change.

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This is the usual briefing for the paedophile investigation

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team in Northamptonshire as they prepare to make

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yet another arrest.

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In the last four months, the team has caught 25 suspects,

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more than one a week.

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Officers say the figure is growing.

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These are just some of the mobiles, laptops and computers that have been

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seized by the police.

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All of these are waiting to be examined.

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Every one of them, every single one of them literally contains

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thousands of illegal images.

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It kind of gives you an idea of what the police are up against.

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DI Andy Rogers and his team don't only look for what has been

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downloaded, they also see who the images have been shared

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with and from that information they are able to build a map

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of paedophile activity.

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Andy, what is this chart all about?

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This is an association chart that we would generally produce

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when we are doing an investigation into indecent images of children.

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We have got male one, who has been identified from intelligence,

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and you can clearly see from one of our own investigations,

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he is linked to numerous people across the maps.

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They are like small organised crime groups.

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Such a risk to our children in today's society because

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everybody has got a tablet, a mobile phone device.

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How much has the problem increased in your time working on this team?

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Since 2014 when the team was created, this type of offending

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as increased by 330%.

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That is astonishing.

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How do these paedophiles infiltrate the world of young people online?

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Because lots of people live their lives on the Internet now.

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We have got online games, chat rooms out there today

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and you can go on there as yourself, you can pretend you are a 14

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or 15-year-old person and in reality you are a 30,

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40-year-old male, or a 30, 40-year-old female, who will start

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communicating with the individuals, getting their trust,

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and that is where the problems occur, the grooming then commences.

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How many suspects are being looking at in this case?

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But despite doubling the size of their team

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and arresting more suspects, the police say they are still only

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getting to a fraction of these offenders.

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Are you overwhelmed as a police force?

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Definitely.

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I think we are now getting the true feel of what is going on out

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there on the Internet.

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Parents are letting children go onto the Internet

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from the age of four, five, six years old,

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where probably ten years ago they wouldn't be allowed

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to have a phone.

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I don't think we'll ever be able to reflect how bad it really

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is in terms of what people are willing to do to

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the most vulnerable people in society, children.

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One person who was made aware of this danger is Sarah,

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who decided to meet a man she first met online, with life

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changing consequences.

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We have changed her name to protect her anonymity.

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I went on this app and we started messaging and then one

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thing led to another.

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At this point did you know it was an older person?

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He said he was 38 or something and I was kind of like...

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I kind of ignored the fact that he was older because he

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showed me attention.

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Basically when we agreed to meet, I lied to my mum and we ended

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up staying in a hotel.

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He must have known you were underage.

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Yeah.

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I told him multiple times.

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He would send me explicit photos of, like, everything,

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and he was getting me to send photos back.

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I thought that he actually cared about me when obviously he didn't,

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he just wanted to use me like a rag doll.

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And he raped you.

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Yeah.

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Sarah's abuser was jailed but police say for every paedophile they catch

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there are many more.

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But is sentencing always the answer?

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Donald Findlater from the Lucy Faithfull Foundation

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believes there is another way.

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His organisation provides counselling workshops to help

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paedophiles to stop offending.

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They have seen a steady rise in the number of people

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being referred to them for help and a rise in the number of people

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referring themselves for help.

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Can somebody develop an unhealthy sexual attraction to children

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that they didn't have before?

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Yes, they certainly can.

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What we found in terms of indecent images of children online is that

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three quarters of the men viewing those indecent images of children

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were, previous to that viewing, heavy adult pornography users,

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legal material, but because the online environment encourages

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you to look around to see what else is there, these men have found

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that they could look at sexual images...

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Maybe the label was barely legal or jailbait, something

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that they knew was going to be younger than they were normally

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looking at, and then some of them then get stuck in that place

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of looking at those younger and younger images.

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Despite police arresting record numbers of suspected paedophiles,

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the Lucy Faithfull Foundation says that is just a small fraction

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of the actual number of online offenders.

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It is very emotive.

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A lot of people look at this and say a paedophile is a paedophile

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and they should just be locked up.

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I entirely understand that.

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I am a parent and grandparent.

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These crimes are appalling.

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What these people do is appalling online.

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But we have to face the reality that the police will not,

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cannot arrest them all.

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So by saying lock them all up, what we are doing is we are denying

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the size of the problem, because we know the police

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are committing more and more resources, the chances of getting

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arrested are increasing, but there is still this volume

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problem to be dealt with.

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John, not his real name, was arrested for downloading

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indecent images of children and given a community order.

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He says the Lucy Faithfull Foundation has helped him understand

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the impact of his offending.

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John, first of all, can you talk me through what happened to lead

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you on to looking at images of children online?

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I've been using pornography for an extremely long time,

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probably in the region of 20 years.

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It started off for me kind of starting to get bored and wanting

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to find something a bit different, that the new.

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-- to find something a bit different, a bit new.

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It was very easy to download a wide variety of different

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pornographic images very easily.

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But the offset was a lot of those images would be fake

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or they wouldn't work or some of them would actually be illegal

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images involving underage, including children,

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and that was something I started coming into contact with.

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You must have realised that by looking at images

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of children being abused, you were perpetuating the crime.

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Children were being abused basically for your gratification and other

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paedophiles' gratification.

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I have to say, honestly, I didn't realise that at the time.

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I was genuinely ignorant that this was actually

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causing harm to children.

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Perhaps I didn't want to realise that but I guess I didn't

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dwell on it too much.

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Do you have remorse about what you have done now?

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Huge remorse.

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With what I have learned from these workshops and speaking

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to the people on the helpline, I am now fully aware of the damage

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that I have caused and I am trying to find a way to live with that

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whilst also making sure that horrible feeling,

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using that horrible feeling as a tool to stop me ever

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going down that path again.

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John says he was fortunate to be arrested and to

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have help when needed.

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Many others are sadly not stopped.

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We get between 700 and 800 calls a month,

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40% of those calls are from men worried about themselves.

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26% of the calls are from women worried about a man in their life,

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whether it is their dad or their brother or the

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neighbour next door.

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So we can see the total volumes and what we have seen

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is calls from men concerned about their online sexual

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behaviour are increasing.

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Today, the police have arrested another suspected paedophile

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and are taking him into custody.

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And from arrests like this, over the last four months,

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police in Northamptonshire have protected nearly 60 children

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from potential sexual abuse.

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When a builder discovered a unique hoard of Saxon coffins on his land

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at Great Ryburgh in Norfolk, nothing could have prepared him

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for the financial loss he was about to face.

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Rob Setchell has the story for us.

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When Gary Boyce set out to create a fishing lake to protect his house

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and his neighbours from flooding, he had no idea

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what he would uncover.

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Buried on his land in Great Ryburgh, 81 Saxon coffins,

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one of the greatest archaeological finds of the 21st century.

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Due to the waterlogged conditions, archaeologists now have the chance

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to date the exact year of an entire Anglo-Saxon cemetery,

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thought to date all the way back to the eighth century.

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But the story behind the headlines is not what you might imagine.

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It is well over six months since the wooden coffins were found,

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preserved in the perfect conditions of the river valley.

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So where have those priceless pieces of history been taken?

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Well, nowhere.

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Since they were dug out of the ground, they have stayed

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here at Gary's house.

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Hi, Gary.

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Morning, Rob.

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Lovely to meet you.

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You, too.

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Right, what have we got here?

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Well, here we have two of the Anglo-Saxon oak

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tree trunk coffins.

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Why are things like this sat outside in your driveway?

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They were left on site.

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They are stored here.

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But aren't these valuable?

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There is no idea of value.

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They have never really been found before.

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And there are even more of them in his shed.

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Here they are.

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How many have we got?

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I think probably around 60-70.

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Stacked up here.

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Obviously all in various stages of preservation,

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as we found them in the ground.

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They look incredible.

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What was like when you pulled these out of the ground?

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Shock, horror, exhilaration at finding something so unique.

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Really, what is this going to cost me?

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So what are the costs running at?

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I'm currently at around ?250,000.

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Quite a lot of money, then.

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But if you do find a treasure trove on your land, you are liable

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for the initial exploration costs.

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In Gary's case, human remains were found and that pushed

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the bill even higher.

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My initial quote was for any burial, would be ?500 per burial.

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So when at the end, I think it was around about 2-3 weeks,

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we were on around about 60, it'll give you an idea...

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And things went from bad to worse.

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Gary's conservation project had to be put on hold

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when the historical significance of the hoard became apparent and

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this incurred even more costs for Gary.

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We were being asked to find an additional ?150,000

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or thereabouts to carry out and cover the cost of the excavation

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and archaeology investigations on the burial site.

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What did you do?

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That left me in an absolutely ludicrous situation.

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It is a family doing a flood prevention conservation lake

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and already facing massive losses, remortgaging, with no end in sight.

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We were held up and in the end fortunately funding came

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through but I had even started re-covering the burial site.

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The desperately needed funding to exhume the bodies came

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from Historic England, some ?90,000.

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But why, when this was such a significant find, did it take

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so long for it to arrive?

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There was a period of time between us being called in and...

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I believe his work started some time before we were actually aware of it.

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As soon as we did become aware of it, the significance was very

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clear from the very beginning and we tried to operate as quickly

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as we could and provide some support to Gary because obviously

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he is in a very difficult position.

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Gary believes that a burial of such historical importance

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should have warranted a quicker official response.

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But in archaeological circles, the decision of what to do with such

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discoveries takes time.

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The issue is to do with cost and cost recovery at that point.

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Because of the extraordinary nature and breadth of the archaeology

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which was uncovered.

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Ultimately how archaeological processes work and how

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archaeologists view sites doesn't always translate particularly

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well to the layman.

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That helps explain how the system works but it hasn't stopped to Gary

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ending up with a shed full of Saxon coffins.

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Yes, it may have seemed unusual to have left the coffins behind

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but actually that is part of the strategy

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for collection and storage, to make sure we get the best coffin

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into the record, into the museum.

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But we can't store every coffin and take everything away.

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The museum's stores would be full.

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Despite the funding from Historic England,

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which will continue

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over the next two years, delays and being unable

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to run his business meant to Gary is now looking at ways he might be

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able to claw back some of the money.

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Some of the more significant ones.

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There are between ?15,000 and ?20,000 in finds that

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I have managed to recover, eight or nine weeks in the summer,

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going back through 10,000 tonnes of topsoil, to find these items.

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Not an easy job.

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Purely by metal detecting, the first coin we found

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was a King Aethelwulf, sorry, Aethelweard from 845-850.

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It is a very, very rare coin.

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What happens with the coffins now?

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There is a possibility of selling or auctioning but at this stage

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we have no idea of value.

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The items are unique.

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Auctioneers can't put a value on that.

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But there is some value.

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Castle Museum have one donated by the family.

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With one of the coffins destined for Norwich Castle,

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I'm meeting the curator of archaeology, Tim Pestell,

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to find out what happens next and whether Gary's dilemma can be

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made any easier.

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Is it true to say that the benefit here is all historical,

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there is no financial benefit?

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Yes, the landowner got unlucky in the sense that this was one

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of those excavations that happened to hit treasure for archaeologists

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because the site was so unique, it is nationally significant.

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Great Ryburgh will go down as one of those sites in the academic

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textbooks as well as hopefully the popular books as an example

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of an early Christian community, and so within the constraints

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of a normal archaeological excavation that you would have

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funded, you wouldn't expect something like that,

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and in his case, as I say, he got unlucky because it was so wonderful,

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it wasn't expected, but that is also why Historic England have put

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thousands of pounds into rescuing that site, to make sure

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we get as much information out of it as possible.

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And what happens to some of the artefacts we have found now?

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We are hoping that some of the material will

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come to the castle.

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So at the moment we have got a coffin that is still water logged,

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and that is going to be sent off to York for conservation, which is

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going to be a costly process, and it will take

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a lot of time.

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But in the future, we hope that it will come back and we can show

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it in our Anglo-Saxon and Viking Gallery

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here in Norwich Castle.

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So, while Norwich Castle Museum are still to decide

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on whether they are able to raise the funds to take any

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of the items Gary discovered while metal detecting,

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his financial woes remain unresolved.

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From the point of view of a small developer like Gary,

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an unexpected find like that can be very difficult to deal with and does

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obviously compromise his operations.

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In 99% of the cases, it all goes very smoothly and people

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know what archaeology they have got to deal with and they

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can plan for it.

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Unfortunately for Gary, he wasn't able to plan for it.

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So this is what it was all about, then.

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The fishing lake and the flood prevention scheme.

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Yeah, very muddy still at the moment, over a year later.

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In our situation, it was a really difficult one in that

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we'd already started.

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We were damned if we did and damned if we didn't.

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Yes, you have found something that is extraordinary,

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the preservation of the tree trunk coffins and planks are

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absolutely extraordinary.

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History has been changed but you have seriously got

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to weigh up the cost.

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To nearly lose your house, that is massive.

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That is it for this programme.

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Next week, Olympic champion Gail Emms and I try to get to grips

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with electric cars in Milton Keynes.

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I don't want to pull it too much in case I break it.

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I know.

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Is it still charging?

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No, I've taken it out.

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Why is that light flashing?

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I don't know.

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In the meantime, you can get in touch with me

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on Twitter at David?InsideOut, or you can send an e-mail,

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they all get passed on to the team, [email protected].

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But that is it from Gorleston in Norfolk.

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I'll catch up with you next week.

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Bye-bye.

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