23/10/2017 Inside Out East

We have the shocking findings of an undercover investigation

into the availability of illegal products and services online.

For the last six months, we've been looking at craigslist -

the classified ads website that is being hijacked by criminals

If you look out there, there's a camera.

I'd like to know, mate, why you're offering...

Oh, my God, my mother's going to kill me.

We follow a recovering anorexic as he speaks to young people

That's what you're probably expecting, a girl to be stood here.

But actually it's quite common for people male,

female, even different ages to get eating disorders.

And the top-secret location for the BBC orchestras

during the war, after evacuation plans moved all 400 musicians

Revealing the stories that matter closer to home,

So what do you hunt the classified ads for?

Well, Jonathan Gibson has been sniffing around in Corby

as he investigates one online site where criminals have an eye

As an investigative journalist, it s sometimes easier to work

When people aren t watching what you re doing!

If you re looking for something illegal, it s the go-to part

of the internet that s hidden from prying eyes.

The place where criminals use encrypted websites and virtual

You don t need to bother with all that, mate!

Shouldn t you be getting on with the...

It was set up in America by a guy called Craig.

It s a website where people buy and sell everything,

Just say where you live and get started.

But lots of the stuff on craigslist won t be in the buy-and-sell section

of your local newspaper, including bootleg tobacco.

The kind of cigs you d probably buy from some dodgy

geezer outside a pub, or in this case, a supermarket

So are they knocked off then, or are they...?

No, no, no so they re old packaging, but they can t really sell

He says his supplier is someone else on craigslist.

I ve seen some crazy stuff on craigslist? So have I.

That s why I ve come to another car park ready for another dodgy deal.

And that s why his tobacco is just a third of the price

But there is a difference because counterfeit goods are among

the things craigslist says you re not supposed to sell on its website.

Yeah, but no one takes any notice of that!

It s as easy to find marijuana on craigslist

And you might need a seat because what I m buying next

I m on a Derby estate to meet a dealer selling

Turns out, as street cocaine goes, it s pretty pure stuff.

I m shocked at what s there because it s not difficult

for the internet companies to put elements onto their websites

to police this sort of stuff and they should be policing it

But if you have made money from crime, you won t want

So what you need is someone to hide it, perhaps in their bank account.

But where would I find someone to do that?

On a street corner, I m meeting Stacey.

She s offering her bank account on craigslist to anyone

So you know it s kind of dodgy money?

But we are walking into the bank to pay in what I ve told her

She ll charge me a fee to get it back and there are plenty of people

on craigslist offering to do the same thing, sometimes

But if you ve sent your money overseas, how are you

Well, what you need is a new identity, or someone else s!

And I know just the place you can get it!

Craigslist - the place where I can find a stolen passport.

And there are plenty more where that came from.

I do them bank fraud things and we take the holder's IDs off

I ve known some stories where it s taken people 10 years

to get their credit ratings back again after it s been completely

trashed by people who have stolen their identities,

but it will allow them to get on and commit other crimes,

This advert is looking for postmen to steal the letters they re

It s bank cards, cheques, a lot of different things.

On craigslist there s also disorganised crime.

This guy wants someone to pass his driving theory test for him.

But for 50 quid, it s not that black and white.

For a start, he s black and I m white and someone s going to notice.

Well, they check your photo against the database.

There s no way I m going to get through.

You go in now or you re going to lose your test fee.

When I later revealed I m a journalist, he didn t

In fact, when we asked it for an interview,

I think whilst they re making money and nobody is asking them

or forcing them to change, you ll find selling sites like this

using the ostrich effect to what is going on -

sticking their head in the sand and ignoring it.

No wonder criminals can carry on regardless.

Well, unless they re really selling to a journalist.

If you look out there, there s a camera.

I d like to know, mate, why you re offering to sell...

Oh, my God, my mother s going to kill me.

But he s not the only one thinking about his relatives.

I m trying to make money for my family.

Take a good look at my cocaine dealer because he s

The thing is, I work for the BBC and we re trying to find out why

Well, he wasn t hanging about was he?

I m trying to find out why you re willing to launder money for people?

You knew it was risky because we just had

I m not buying a passport off you because I work for the BBC.

Why are you selling stolen passports, mate,

Why are you selling stolen passports?

The amount of organised crime that is sitting behind everything

And it s critical, I think, that the police force or the law

enforcement agencies force the likes of craigslist to do

When we asked to interview a minister all we got

was a Home Office statement saying it's:

Well, we ve kind of done that for them already.

So maybe it s time the Government forced websites like craigslist

And if there is something you think we should be looking into,

get in touch with me, as ever, on twitter

@david-insideout, or e-mail [email protected].

You're watching Inside Out for the East of England here on BBC One.

Later on: Performing throughout the war -

the orchestras at a secret location broadcasting to the Empire.

So to have this as the biggest centre of the BBC outside London

was certainly quite amazing, and would have been very

Earlier this year, it was revealed that the number of men being treated

for an eating disorder has grown twice as fast as women

Now a charity based in Norfolk gets people like Jamie, who had anorexia,

to go into schools and speak to young people about

In fact, he works at a horse sanctuary.

If I m stressed or anything like that, I can go and sit with them.

They don t judge you, they don t care what you look like,

Looking at Jamie, he s fit and healthy.

But ten years ago it was a very different story.

When he was at school, he had an eating disorder.

The main reasons I feel that I started developing anorexia

is because when I was at school I experienced a lot of bullying.

So it really affected my self-confidence and stuff like that.

What kind of things were happening when you were being bullied?

It was mostly things like my appearance, my voice.

They would try and pick anything, to pick at me.

I was very shy and had a lack of self-confidence.

I had friends, but I wouldn t socialize.

I went more introverted so I didn t really want to speak to people.

For you, controlling what you were eating or not eating,

was that the way of you getting some kind of control back in your life?

I didn t really want to eat anything.

But it wasn t until my parents noticed, that it then

clicked what it was, because I didn t really know

So it wasn t something that I's purposefully decided to do.

What age were you when you started developing anorexia?

I ve always been quite fussy with food since I was little,

The number of men receiving help for an eating disorder in England

has grown twice as fast as women in the last three years.

This is the headquarters of Beat - a charity that helps people

We've certainly seen from statistics from the NHS the number of men

and boys being admitted for an eating disorder

has risen and we do get a significant of number of people

contacting our helpline, either themselves or maybe

their girlfriends who are worried about them, their mums

who are worried about them, and also we have opened some

new services that are online services to, hopefully, encourage

more men to come forward because we know that's a way

they are more comfortable talking about things.

Obviously, as time has gone by, the stigma is being broken down

over eating disorders, but do you still think there is one,

there is a stigma there for men, young men in particular,

who don't want to say, "Look, I may have an issue here"?

Stereotypically, eating disorders are considered to be

female illnesses, and that is something that is very

They are seen as young, white, female teenage girls,

and that is the only people who get them, but we know that is not

Particularly with boys, they might have different pressures to girls.

We know that increasingly we look in the media and we see men

are having increased pressure to look good and feel good

in a different way to how women are, so we know it can be very,

very difficult for men to come forward and talk about the issues

And that's why with some young men and teenage boys anorexia

Do you think if people had seen you at the time people

Most eating disorders are very discreet and quite hidden.

You don t tend to want anyone to know.

I didn t know myself, so I couldn't really

Once the doctor had said, "Yes, Jamie has anorexia",

I think it shocked me, because I hadn t thought

It made me think, "Well, people can die from it".

I didn t want to die, so it made that shock realization

Do you feel there's a stigma surrounding, certainly young men

and male teenagers, when it comes to anorexia and other

which has been going on for a while, but they re only now

He has a very supportive family who spotted something was wrong.

He got to, like, high school and I started to think,

"I think he's losing a bit of weight".

At meal times he was very selective on what he would

So I thought I would have a little chat with him, but to start

with he just pushed it off, and what have you.

But then, eventually, I did get him to talk

and there was an issue, but I didn't realise

In the beginning, I didn't realise the things...

selling food at school to have a hot chocolate instead of eating his

lunch, because he always used to bring an empty lunchbox home.

I suppose with him being a boy, I'd never really heard of boys

As part of Jamie's continuing recovery, he speaks to young people

Today, he has come to Framingham Earl High School in Norfolk.

There is a lot of different misconceptions that go round.

First of all, you're probably expecting a girl to be stood here,

but actually it's quite common for people male, female,

even different ages to get eating disorders, so I feel especially

around teenagers it's a crucial age that is important to talk about it,

so for some reason if you feel by avoiding food everything

That's when I then started to skip meals and things like that

and gradually I got to the point when my parents had to turn

round and say to me, "Look, something's wrong, you need help".

How long did it take for your parents to notice

They noticed very quickly that there was stuff I was hiding.

They noticed I was losing weight and they picked it up quite quick,

which is the best way because if it had gone any further

than it could have taken a lot longer to be able

Do you reckon your friends would have noticed as soon

as your family had if you hadn't told them?

I don't think they would have done, no.

I think some of them may have picked a tiny bit,

but they didn't sort of realise what it actually was I was doing

because I would tend to be quite secretive.

Do you ever worry, Jamie, that, you know, you could ever end up

lapsing and going back down the path that leads to being anorexic again?

I think, for me it is always a worry, but I find my main therapy

is working with animals, because to work with them I need

to be healthy and if I'm not healthy then I can't work with them.

It also makes me relax a lot more, because if I'm not relaxed,

So if you ever kind of thought, well, things aren't going so great

in my life at the moment, if you ever were tempted to start

controlling what you ate to the point where it it would be

detrimental to your health, the one thing that keeps

you going is working with horses like her.

It does, because I need to be able to have the energy to work with them

and pick up poo and groom them and stuff like that, so I need

to eat to be able to do that, so I need to keep myself healthy.

It is mutually beneficial, I suppose, because the kind

of horses that you often work with are rescue animals,

so you are helping them and, in turn, you helping them helps you.

I think she's had enough of the interview now!

Now, look, I know it feels like Inside

Out has been around since the Second World War,

but of course there was

Instead, people would huddle round the wireless with

their news, church services and entertainment, so that

So for the duration of the war, the orchestras and religious

During the war, the because of the threat

from German bombers, the BBC moved its orchestras,

singers and religious department out of London to a secret location

from where 8,000 broadcasts were made.

Those programmes were said to come from Somewhere in England.

In the summer of 1941, a special train

On board, 400 musicians, singers, broadcasters and crew.

They would stay for four years, lodging with locals as Bedford

became one of the largest centres for the BBC outside of London.

One was Trinity Chapel at St Paul's Church.

Much of the old Outside Broadcast Equipment was scrapped,

Thanks to collectors like Chris Owen some has

It was very well mean to begin with. It was designed to be repaired. It

is amazing what this church is seen, apart from the services here. The

BBC would have piled in here when they arrived in Bedford and suddenly

started getting this site with this sort of equipment. It makes you

think, doesn't it? I pray you have mercy on all who are afflicted.

The Chapel was used for the Daily Service to the UK

and the British Empire with the BBC Singers in residence.

It was shielded from the rest of the church by velvet curtains.

Bedford historian David Fowler is fascinated by

Two archbishops broadcast from here. They were assisted by the BBC

singers occasionally. Assisted sometimes by boys from a local

school. In its day, there was no TV, of course. It was all radio. That

was entertainment and information. You had Bedford as the biggest

centre for the BBC outside of London was certainly quite amazing, and to

have that number around the time, billeted in the town, must've had

quite an impact and would have been very difficult to keep quiet.

Bedford School played a key role in the BBC's operation and today

snatch a lunchbreak to rehearse in the Great Hall they're

During the War the Great Hall was BBC Studio 7.

It was the BBC's symphony Orchestras favourite place ? acoustically

When the orchestras played, the boys would lean over

He went to school here during the war.

Derek is 91 now and more then 70 years on, his memory is pin sharp.

When you use to steal a moment or two to watch the rehearsals, when

was your favourite position? Appear. At the end you get a lopsided view.

There you have more of a panoramic view. By watching a rehearsal, did

you feel Cuba getting a secret insight to the workings of an

orchestra? Yes, it was quite fascinating. Occasionally, one could

do with the conductor was getting at in calling one particular member to

do something this way not that way. I don't think I appreciated it at

the time just how privileged and lucky we were. To be able to, not

exactly be a part, but to be there when it happened. Can you remember

the kind of things they were playing? Any pieces stick out this

Chamakh the sorcerers apprentice is one that sticks in my mind. That has

always been quite a favourite. It is so descriptive. Don't ask me to sing

it! You just did, and I didn't! This building here was the nerve

centre for more than 8,000 broadcasts to Britain and the

Empire. All the output came by wire into the control room and that is

where the 8,000 broadcasts came from somewhere in England went down that

line to London where they were broadcast. So if the Germans were

able to take out the control room they would take out the whole

operation? If a stray bomb had hit it would've been a major problem,

but Bedford was a pretty safe place to be in World War II. It suffered

very little. Only 10,000 people were killed in Bedford in the hold of

World War II. We never had a deliberate bombing raid. The bombs

that were dropped for more accidental than intentional. I'm

sure the Germans would have known, despite the attempts to keep it

secret, apparently Lord Hall Horst said that he knew the BBC was in

Bedford, but I'm a little bit sceptical about that.

Bedford Corn Exchange was the epicentre

of the broadcasts - BBC Studio one.

Many of the 8,000 concerts came from here including the 1944 Proms.

It was HQ for the BBC Symphony Orchestra.

Many of the greats played in Studio 1.

Yehudi Menuhin, Vera Lynn, Bing Crosby, and the American band

Thanks again for the invitation to come here. For now, good luck and

goodbye. Just a second, what is important there is the resolution

For conductor Michael Rose this is a special place.

He was a pupil of Sir Adrian and now conducts the Bedfordshire

Symphony Orchestra - rehearsing here in Studio 1

It is exactly the same shape and size now as it ever was. Certain

things have disappeared. The work and for example on the back wall.

They would have looked for a hall near enough to London, but out of

danger in that area, but had a good acoustic. That is why they built the

recording studio just up in the corner. Lots of distinguished

newsagents, Sir Adrian Goldberg principal conductor, live just

outside the town. He used to cycle in each morning to work to rehearse,

and they would rehearse exactly as we are doing this evening. There is

a link there in that I had lessons from Serie A dream as a youngster

and he was always very kind to me and I knew him quite well. It is

It is lovely to think that we are following in his footsteps.

At the end of the war the BBC shipped out,

And in some way played their part in the allied

victory from their wartime home somewhere in England.

Well, that this Inside Out from Bedford. I hope you enjoyed the

programme. See you next week. Goodbye. Next week, nearly as month

after Monarch crash landed in Luton, we speak to the former employees who

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and beyond, to stardom. That is Inside Out, next Monday at

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