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In the next half-hour, the country In the next half-hour, the country | :00:05. | :00:06. | |
In the next half-hour, the country house that's in the bargain | :00:06. | :00:08. | |
house that's in the bargain house that's in the bargain | :00:08. | :00:09. | |
basement. We ask why Durham County basement. We ask why Durham County | :00:09. | :00:10. | |
basement. We ask why Durham County basement. We ask why Durham County | :00:10. | :00:14. | |
Council let a stately pile go for a Council let a stately pile go for a | :00:14. | :00:15. | |
Council let a stately pile go for a snip. These are people who always | :00:15. | :00:16. | |
snip. These are people who always snip. These are people who always | :00:16. | :00:16. | |
snip. These are people who always say they do not have enough money | :00:16. | :00:17. | |
say they do not have enough money say they do not have enough money | :00:17. | :00:18. | |
say they do not have enough money say they do not have enough money | :00:18. | :00:19. | |
to do this or do that and when they to do this or do that and when they | :00:19. | :00:20. | |
to do this or do that and when they to do this or do that and when they | :00:20. | :00:21. | |
have had a pot of gold, given it have had a pot of gold, given it | :00:21. | :00:22. | |
have had a pot of gold, given it have had a pot of gold, given it | :00:22. | :00:23. | |
have had a pot of gold, given it away as if it was a pot of honey. | :00:23. | :00:24. | |
away as if it was a pot of honey. away as if it was a pot of honey. | :00:24. | :00:27. | |
We relive one of Tyneside's darkest We relive one of Tyneside's darkest | :00:27. | :00:27. | |
We relive one of Tyneside's darkest hour. 20 years after the collapse | :00:27. | :00:31. | |
hour. 20 years after the collapse hour. 20 years after the collapse | :00:31. | :00:32. | |
of Wallsend's iconic shipyard. of Wallsend's iconic shipyard. | :00:32. | :00:33. | |
of Wallsend's iconic shipyard. I walked into Swan Hunters this | :00:33. | :00:34. | |
I walked into Swan Hunters this I walked into Swan Hunters this | :00:34. | :00:37. | |
morning it was like desolation row. morning it was like desolation row. | :00:37. | :00:38. | |
morning it was like desolation row. It's heartbreaking. And what price | :00:38. | :00:41. | |
It's heartbreaking. And what price It's heartbreaking. And what price | :00:41. | :00:41. | |
It's heartbreaking. And what price loyalty? We add up the cost of | :00:41. | :00:42. | |
loyalty? We add up the cost of loyalty? We add up the cost of | :00:42. | :00:43. | |
following your team. A lot of following your team. A lot of | :00:43. | :00:44. | |
following your team. A lot of people refuse to go to Tottenham, | :00:44. | :00:45. | |
people refuse to go to Tottenham, people refuse to go to Tottenham, | :00:45. | :00:46. | |
Arsenal, and Chelsea as well. It's Arsenal, and Chelsea as well. It's | :00:46. | :00:47. | |
Arsenal, and Chelsea as well. It's because the ticket price is an | :00:47. | :00:49. | |
because the ticket price is an because the ticket price is an | :00:49. | :00:49. | |
absolute disgrace. Stories from the absolute disgrace. Stories from the | :00:49. | :00:50. | |
absolute disgrace. Stories from the absolute disgrace. Stories from the | :00:50. | :00:51. | |
heart of the North East and Cumbria. heart of the North East and Cumbria. | :00:51. | :01:01. | |
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heart of the North East and Cumbria. This is Inside Out. In cash- | :01:08. | :01:09. | |
This is Inside Out. In cash- This is Inside Out. In cash- | :01:09. | :01:10. | |
This is Inside Out. In cash- strapped times we are all after a | :01:10. | :01:11. | |
strapped times we are all after a strapped times we are all after a | :01:11. | :01:12. | |
strapped times we are all after a bargain but it looks like a house | :01:12. | :01:13. | |
bargain but it looks like a house bargain but it looks like a house | :01:13. | :01:13. | |
bargain but it looks like a house buyer in County Durham got a real | :01:13. | :01:14. | |
buyer in County Durham got a real buyer in County Durham got a real | :01:14. | :01:15. | |
buyer in County Durham got a real deal, bagging a stately home for a | :01:15. | :01:16. | |
deal, bagging a stately home for a deal, bagging a stately home for a | :01:16. | :01:22. | |
cost of a three bed semi. cost of a three bed semi. | :01:22. | :01:23. | |
Windlestone Hall near Bishop Windlestone Hall near Bishop | :01:23. | :01:25. | |
Windlestone Hall near Bishop Auckland was one of the North's | :01:25. | :01:25. | |
Auckland was one of the North's Auckland was one of the North's | :01:25. | :01:26. | |
grandest homes, so why in these grandest homes, so why in these | :01:26. | :01:27. | |
grandest homes, so why in these times of austerity to the local | :01:27. | :01:29. | |
times of austerity to the local times of austerity to the local | :01:29. | :01:34. | |
council agree to a rock bottom council agree to a rock bottom | :01:34. | :01:34. | |
council agree to a rock bottom price? PHONE RINGS Good afternoon, | :01:34. | :01:44. | |
price? PHONE RINGS Good afternoon, price? PHONE RINGS Good afternoon, | :01:44. | :01:44. | |
Jean speaking. There are some Jean speaking. There are some | :01:44. | :01:45. | |
Jean speaking. There are some Jean speaking. There are some | :01:45. | :01:46. | |
really nice properties to be had in really nice properties to be had in | :01:46. | :01:47. | |
really nice properties to be had in this part of West Durham. We're | :01:47. | :01:48. | |
this part of West Durham. We're this part of West Durham. We're | :01:48. | :01:49. | |
talking three, four bedroom houses talking three, four bedroom houses | :01:49. | :01:50. | |
talking three, four bedroom houses talking three, four bedroom houses | :01:50. | :01:51. | |
- asking price around a quarter of - asking price around a quarter of | :01:51. | :01:52. | |
- asking price around a quarter of - asking price around a quarter of | :01:52. | :01:52. | |
a million. But what if you want a million. But what if you want | :01:52. | :01:53. | |
a million. But what if you want something a bit bigger? Maybe with | :01:53. | :01:54. | |
something a bit bigger? Maybe with something a bit bigger? Maybe with | :01:54. | :01:55. | |
something a bit bigger? Maybe with something a bit bigger? Maybe with | :01:55. | :01:56. | |
a bit of land and how about a bit a bit of land and how about a bit | :01:56. | :01:57. | |
a bit of land and how about a bit of history too? Like this for | :01:57. | :01:58. | |
of history too? Like this for of history too? Like this for | :01:58. | :01:59. | |
example - Windlestone Hall, set in example - Windlestone Hall, set in | :01:59. | :02:00. | |
example - Windlestone Hall, set in parkland and with the same floor | :02:00. | :02:01. | |
parkland and with the same floor parkland and with the same floor | :02:01. | :02:02. | |
parkland and with the same floor space as about 40 family homes. It | :02:02. | :02:04. | |
space as about 40 family homes. It space as about 40 family homes. It | :02:04. | :02:05. | |
comes with top drawer connections. comes with top drawer connections. | :02:05. | :02:06. | |
comes with top drawer connections. Windlestone Hall has a fine | :02:06. | :02:07. | |
Windlestone Hall has a fine Windlestone Hall has a fine | :02:07. | :02:08. | |
Windlestone Hall has a fine pedigree, it was built for one of | :02:08. | :02:09. | |
pedigree, it was built for one of pedigree, it was built for one of | :02:09. | :02:10. | |
North's leading families and it was North's leading families and it was | :02:10. | :02:11. | |
North's leading families and it was the childhood home of British Prime | :02:11. | :02:15. | |
the childhood home of British Prime minister Anthony Eden. We've | :02:15. | :02:16. | |
minister Anthony Eden. We've acknowledged its significance by | :02:17. | :02:26. | |
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acknowledged its significance by acknowledged its significance by | :02:30. | :02:31. | |
acknowledged its significance by listing it. The Hall is Grade II | :02:31. | :02:32. | |
listing it. The Hall is Grade II listing it. The Hall is Grade II | :02:32. | :02:32. | |
listing it. The Hall is Grade II Star, the clock tower is also Grade | :02:32. | :02:34. | |
Star, the clock tower is also Grade Star, the clock tower is also Grade | :02:34. | :02:35. | |
II Star. So the architectural II Star. So the architectural | :02:35. | :02:36. | |
II Star. So the architectural qualities of those buildings are | :02:36. | :02:41. | |
qualities of those buildings are significant, very significant. | :02:41. | :02:42. | |
significant, very significant. significant, very significant. | :02:42. | :02:44. | |
Hall came into council hands when Hall came into council hands when | :02:44. | :02:44. | |
Hall came into council hands when the Edens left and the surrounding | :02:44. | :02:47. | |
the Edens left and the surrounding the Edens left and the surrounding | :02:47. | :02:48. | |
estate was auctioned off. It was estate was auctioned off. It was | :02:48. | :02:49. | |
estate was auctioned off. It was estate was auctioned off. It was | :02:49. | :02:50. | |
last used as a school for children last used as a school for children | :02:50. | :02:51. | |
with emotional and behavioral with emotional and behavioral | :02:51. | :02:52. | |
with emotional and behavioral problems, but in 2006 the school | :02:52. | :02:53. | |
problems, but in 2006 the school problems, but in 2006 the school | :02:53. | :02:54. | |
problems, but in 2006 the school was relocated to a new site and the | :02:54. | :02:55. | |
was relocated to a new site and the was relocated to a new site and the | :02:55. | :02:56. | |
Hall was no longer needed.. Hall was no longer needed.. | :02:56. | :02:57. | |
Hall was no longer needed.. Concerned about the costs of upkeep, | :02:57. | :02:58. | |
Concerned about the costs of upkeep, Concerned about the costs of upkeep, | :02:58. | :03:01. | |
the council decided to sell. That the council decided to sell. That | :03:01. | :03:04. | |
the council decided to sell. That big one. Pick it up. John | :03:04. | :03:05. | |
big one. Pick it up. John big one. Pick it up. John | :03:05. | :03:06. | |
Cumberland runs a metal recycling Cumberland runs a metal recycling | :03:06. | :03:07. | |
Cumberland runs a metal recycling business in Shildon and lives on | :03:07. | :03:10. | |
business in Shildon and lives on the old Windlestone estate. | :03:10. | :03:11. | |
the old Windlestone estate. the old Windlestone estate. | :03:11. | :03:13. | |
Windlestone Hall is a jewel. We're Windlestone Hall is a jewel. We're | :03:13. | :03:14. | |
Windlestone Hall is a jewel. We're proud this, we're proud of our | :03:14. | :03:16. | |
proud this, we're proud of our proud this, we're proud of our | :03:16. | :03:16. | |
heritage. And Windlestone Hall and heritage. And Windlestone Hall and | :03:16. | :03:17. | |
heritage. And Windlestone Hall and the Eden family I mean, for | :03:17. | :03:18. | |
the Eden family I mean, for the Eden family I mean, for | :03:18. | :03:19. | |
goodness sake, Sir Anthony Eden, goodness sake, Sir Anthony Eden, | :03:19. | :03:20. | |
goodness sake, Sir Anthony Eden, our former prime minister, was | :03:20. | :03:21. | |
our former prime minister, was our former prime minister, was | :03:21. | :03:22. | |
brought up there, during the Second brought up there, during the Second | :03:22. | :03:23. | |
brought up there, during the Second brought up there, during the Second | :03:23. | :03:24. | |
World War it was used as a hospital, World War it was used as a hospital, | :03:24. | :03:25. | |
World War it was used as a hospital, World War it was used as a hospital, | :03:25. | :03:26. | |
it was also a prison, it's been it was also a prison, it's been | :03:26. | :03:27. | |
it was also a prison, it's been used as a school for delicate | :03:27. | :03:29. | |
used as a school for delicate used as a school for delicate | :03:29. | :03:30. | |
children. It's had various uses and children. It's had various uses and | :03:30. | :03:31. | |
children. It's had various uses and children. It's had various uses and | :03:31. | :03:32. | |
the Council have had their pound of the Council have had their pound of | :03:32. | :03:34. | |
the Council have had their pound of the Council have had their pound of | :03:34. | :03:35. | |
flesh out of the place. To me they flesh out of the place. To me they | :03:35. | :03:36. | |
flesh out of the place. To me they flesh out of the place. To me they | :03:36. | :03:39. | |
seem to have discarded it like an seem to have discarded it like an | :03:39. | :03:40. | |
seem to have discarded it like an old rag. The Hall attracted several | :03:40. | :03:42. | |
old rag. The Hall attracted several old rag. The Hall attracted several | :03:42. | :03:43. | |
potential buyers. The front runners potential buyers. The front runners | :03:43. | :03:44. | |
potential buyers. The front runners were property developers who put in | :03:44. | :03:45. | |
were property developers who put in were property developers who put in | :03:45. | :03:46. | |
were property developers who put in a multi million pound bid to do it | :03:46. | :03:47. | |
a multi million pound bid to do it a multi million pound bid to do it | :03:47. | :03:48. | |
up into luxury flats, and build up into luxury flats, and build | :03:48. | :03:53. | |
up into luxury flats, and build up into luxury flats, and build | :03:53. | :03:54. | |
more homes on the site. Until now more homes on the site. Until now | :03:54. | :03:55. | |
more homes on the site. Until now they've never spoken out about the | :03:55. | :03:56. | |
they've never spoken out about the they've never spoken out about the | :03:56. | :03:57. | |
they've never spoken out about the case. We were going to restore the | :03:57. | :03:58. | |
case. We were going to restore the case. We were going to restore the | :03:58. | :03:58. | |
case. We were going to restore the house and keep all of the original | :03:58. | :03:59. | |
house and keep all of the original house and keep all of the original | :03:59. | :04:00. | |
house and keep all of the original features and also to get rid of a | :04:00. | :04:01. | |
features and also to get rid of a features and also to get rid of a | :04:01. | :04:02. | |
lot of the new build that lot of the new build that | :04:02. | :04:03. | |
lot of the new build that surrounded the Hall, which was | :04:03. | :04:04. | |
surrounded the Hall, which was unsightly and certainly | :04:04. | :04:05. | |
unsightly and certainly unsympathetic, and do some | :04:05. | :04:06. | |
unsympathetic, and do some replacement development for that | :04:06. | :04:07. | |
replacement development for that replacement development for that | :04:07. | :04:08. | |
new build, and then potentially new build, and then potentially | :04:08. | :04:08. | |
new build, and then potentially build some further development, out | :04:08. | :04:09. | |
build some further development, out build some further development, out | :04:09. | :04:10. | |
build some further development, out build some further development, out | :04:10. | :04:19. | |
of site of the Hall, in some of the of site of the Hall, in some of the | :04:19. | :04:20. | |
of site of the Hall, in some of the woodland areas. So it could have | :04:20. | :04:21. | |
woodland areas. So it could have woodland areas. So it could have | :04:21. | :04:22. | |
woodland areas. So it could have easily been up to three million. | :04:22. | :04:23. | |
easily been up to three million. easily been up to three million. | :04:23. | :04:24. | |
easily been up to three million. far as we were concerned it was | :04:24. | :04:26. | |
far as we were concerned it was far as we were concerned it was | :04:26. | :04:27. | |
ours. The developers put down a ours. The developers put down a | :04:27. | :04:28. | |
hefty deposit to guarantee hefty deposit to guarantee | :04:28. | :04:29. | |
hefty deposit to guarantee exclusive rights to buy the Hall. | :04:29. | :04:30. | |
exclusive rights to buy the Hall. exclusive rights to buy the Hall. | :04:30. | :04:31. | |
exclusive rights to buy the Hall. You get some idea of what happened | :04:31. | :04:32. | |
You get some idea of what happened You get some idea of what happened | :04:32. | :04:33. | |
next by the sheer volume of next by the sheer volume of | :04:33. | :04:34. | |
correspondence. This is the correspondence. This is the | :04:34. | :04:35. | |
correspondence. This is the conditions laid down by the council | :04:35. | :04:36. | |
conditions laid down by the council conditions laid down by the council | :04:36. | :04:37. | |
conditions laid down by the council and this is the response, the plans. | :04:37. | :04:38. | |
and this is the response, the plans. and this is the response, the plans. | :04:38. | :04:39. | |
and this is the response, the plans. But it all got bogged down in | :04:39. | :04:40. | |
But it all got bogged down in detail. Negotiations lasted months, | :04:40. | :04:41. | |
detail. Negotiations lasted months, detail. Negotiations lasted months, | :04:41. | :04:45. | |
then years, without a sale ever then years, without a sale ever | :04:45. | :04:46. | |
then years, without a sale ever taking place. Bill Kataky was part | :04:46. | :04:47. | |
taking place. Bill Kataky was part taking place. Bill Kataky was part | :04:47. | :04:48. | |
of the council team negotiating of the council team negotiating | :04:48. | :04:50. | |
of the council team negotiating with the developers. He's now | :04:50. | :04:51. | |
with the developers. He's now retired, but remembers having | :04:51. | :04:52. | |
retired, but remembers having serious reservations about the | :04:52. | :04:56. | |
serious reservations about the serious reservations about the | :04:56. | :04:57. | |
plans. It was the additional plans. It was the additional | :04:57. | :04:58. | |
plans. It was the additional building which was classed as | :04:58. | :05:00. | |
building which was classed as building which was classed as | :05:00. | :05:01. | |
enabling development. So to allow enabling development. So to allow | :05:01. | :05:02. | |
enabling development. So to allow the buiding to be restored properly | :05:02. | :05:03. | |
the buiding to be restored properly and subdivided they needed | :05:03. | :05:04. | |
and subdivided they needed and subdivided they needed | :05:04. | :05:05. | |
additional income which would be additional income which would be | :05:05. | :05:06. | |
generated by building other generated by building other | :05:06. | :05:13. | |
properties within the curtilage. properties within the curtilage. | :05:13. | :05:17. | |
properties within the curtilage. That rang alarm bells. But Newroc | :05:17. | :05:18. | |
That rang alarm bells. But Newroc That rang alarm bells. But Newroc | :05:18. | :05:19. | |
were not the only developers who were not the only developers who | :05:19. | :05:20. | |
were not the only developers who were not the only developers who | :05:20. | :05:25. | |
could see the potential of the Hall. could see the potential of the Hall. | :05:25. | :05:26. | |
could see the potential of the Hall. We've learned that a second local | :05:26. | :05:27. | |
We've learned that a second local businessman offered around �1 | :05:27. | :05:28. | |
businessman offered around �1 businessman offered around �1 | :05:28. | :05:28. | |
businessman offered around �1 million to turn the Hall into his | :05:28. | :05:29. | |
million to turn the Hall into his million to turn the Hall into his | :05:29. | :05:31. | |
private home and commercial HQ. And private home and commercial HQ. And | :05:31. | :05:32. | |
private home and commercial HQ. And we've been told a third developer | :05:32. | :05:33. | |
we've been told a third developer we've been told a third developer | :05:34. | :05:34. | |
expressed an interest and was expressed an interest and was | :05:34. | :05:35. | |
expressed an interest and was prepared to make a serious offer, | :05:35. | :05:36. | |
prepared to make a serious offer, prepared to make a serious offer, | :05:36. | :05:37. | |
but was advised the council already but was advised the council already | :05:37. | :05:44. | |
but was advised the council already had a preferred purchaser. Whilst | :05:44. | :05:45. | |
had a preferred purchaser. Whilst had a preferred purchaser. Whilst | :05:45. | :05:46. | |
had a preferred purchaser. Whilst empty the Hall was put a variety of | :05:46. | :05:49. | |
empty the Hall was put a variety of empty the Hall was put a variety of | :05:49. | :05:50. | |
empty the Hall was put a variety of uses. It was used by the police for | :05:50. | :05:50. | |
uses. It was used by the police for uses. It was used by the police for | :05:50. | :05:51. | |
uses. It was used by the police for dog training and was even a filming | :05:51. | :05:52. | |
dog training and was even a filming dog training and was even a filming | :05:52. | :05:53. | |
location for the BBC drama George location for the BBC drama George | :05:53. | :05:56. | |
location for the BBC drama George Gently. He's still here? You sure? | :05:56. | :05:57. | |
Gently. He's still here? You sure? Gently. He's still here? You sure? | :05:57. | :06:00. | |
He's not collected his deposit. He's not collected his deposit. | :06:00. | :06:04. | |
He's not collected his deposit. Away, man. Look, out. With repairs, | :06:04. | :06:05. | |
Away, man. Look, out. With repairs, Away, man. Look, out. With repairs, | :06:05. | :06:06. | |
security and heating costs running security and heating costs running | :06:06. | :06:07. | |
security and heating costs running security and heating costs running | :06:07. | :06:07. | |
at �100,000 a year, the council ran at �100,000 a year, the council ran | :06:07. | :06:08. | |
at �100,000 a year, the council ran out of patience with the developers | :06:08. | :06:09. | |
out of patience with the developers out of patience with the developers | :06:09. | :06:11. | |
and to their amazement sold the and to their amazement sold the | :06:11. | :06:16. | |
and to their amazement sold the and to their amazement sold the | :06:16. | :06:16. | |
Hall to somebody else. We were told Hall to somebody else. We were told | :06:16. | :06:18. | |
Hall to somebody else. We were told Hall to somebody else. We were told | :06:18. | :06:18. | |
they preferred to sell it, just let they preferred to sell it, just let | :06:18. | :06:19. | |
they preferred to sell it, just let they preferred to sell it, just let | :06:19. | :06:20. | |
it go, forget the planning, and let it go, forget the planning, and let | :06:20. | :06:23. | |
it go, forget the planning, and let it go unconditionally. And we said | :06:23. | :06:24. | |
it go unconditionally. And we said it go unconditionally. And we said | :06:24. | :06:25. | |
right, well, surely if that's the right, well, surely if that's the | :06:25. | :06:26. | |
right, well, surely if that's the right, well, surely if that's the | :06:26. | :06:27. | |
case, it should go back to the case, it should go back to the | :06:27. | :06:28. | |
case, it should go back to the market, or in the very first | :06:28. | :06:29. | |
market, or in the very first market, or in the very first | :06:29. | :06:30. | |
market, or in the very first instance you should talk to us and | :06:30. | :06:31. | |
instance you should talk to us and instance you should talk to us and | :06:31. | :06:32. | |
instance you should talk to us and see if we're prepared to buy it | :06:32. | :06:35. | |
see if we're prepared to buy it see if we're prepared to buy it | :06:35. | :06:36. | |
without the planning. And they said, without the planning. And they said, | :06:36. | :06:37. | |
without the planning. And they said, oh, it's too late, we've already | :06:37. | :06:38. | |
oh, it's too late, we've already oh, it's too late, we've already | :06:38. | :06:39. | |
oh, it's too late, we've already done the deal When the original bid | :06:39. | :06:40. | |
done the deal When the original bid done the deal When the original bid | :06:40. | :06:41. | |
done the deal When the original bid came in for many millions, it's now | :06:41. | :06:42. | |
came in for many millions, it's now came in for many millions, it's now | :06:42. | :06:43. | |
came in for many millions, it's now gone for a fraction of that, what's | :06:43. | :06:47. | |
gone for a fraction of that, what's gone for a fraction of that, what's | :06:47. | :06:48. | |
the explanation? We chose a the explanation? We chose a | :06:48. | :06:49. | |
the explanation? We chose a developer when we marketed it and | :06:49. | :06:51. | |
developer when we marketed it and developer when we marketed it and | :06:51. | :06:52. | |
went through a process. A proper went through a process. A proper | :06:52. | :06:53. | |
went through a process. A proper process. Chose a developer and | :06:53. | :06:54. | |
process. Chose a developer and process. Chose a developer and | :06:54. | :06:54. | |
negotiated with that developer over negotiated with that developer over | :06:54. | :06:56. | |
negotiated with that developer over a three year period. Obviously we | :06:56. | :06:57. | |
a three year period. Obviously we a three year period. Obviously we | :06:57. | :06:58. | |
were hoping there would be some were hoping there would be some | :06:58. | :06:59. | |
were hoping there would be some form of capital receipt through | :06:59. | :07:00. | |
form of capital receipt through form of capital receipt through | :07:00. | :07:01. | |
that process. But as the process that process. But as the process | :07:01. | :07:02. | |
that process. But as the process went on, as the property market | :07:02. | :07:03. | |
went on, as the property market went on, as the property market | :07:03. | :07:04. | |
went on, as the property market changed and we entered a period of | :07:04. | :07:05. | |
changed and we entered a period of changed and we entered a period of | :07:05. | :07:06. | |
recession, it was quite clear that recession, it was quite clear that | :07:06. | :07:07. | |
recession, it was quite clear that recession, it was quite clear that | :07:07. | :07:08. | |
the developer was unable to make a the developer was unable to make a | :07:08. | :07:09. | |
the developer was unable to make a the developer was unable to make a | :07:09. | :07:10. | |
profit from the scheme, and as a profit from the scheme, and as a | :07:10. | :07:11. | |
profit from the scheme, and as a profit from the scheme, and as a | :07:11. | :07:11. | |
result of that we were faced with result of that we were faced with | :07:11. | :07:12. | |
result of that we were faced with the prospect of the development not | :07:12. | :07:13. | |
the prospect of the development not the prospect of the development not | :07:13. | :07:14. | |
going ahead and the council going ahead and the council | :07:14. | :07:15. | |
going ahead and the council retaining the building. Having gone | :07:15. | :07:16. | |
retaining the building. Having gone retaining the building. Having gone | :07:16. | :07:17. | |
through that process we then through that process we then | :07:17. | :07:17. | |
through that process we then received a private offer from | :07:17. | :07:18. | |
received a private offer from received a private offer from | :07:18. | :07:19. | |
somebody who wanted to use the somebody who wanted to use the | :07:19. | :07:20. | |
somebody who wanted to use the property for a private residence | :07:20. | :07:21. | |
property for a private residence property for a private residence | :07:21. | :07:26. | |
and we accepted that offer. and we accepted that offer. | :07:26. | :07:27. | |
and we accepted that offer. then we asked the question, what | :07:27. | :07:28. | |
then we asked the question, what then we asked the question, what | :07:28. | :07:30. | |
then we asked the question, what have you sold it for? And when they | :07:30. | :07:30. | |
have you sold it for? And when they have you sold it for? And when they | :07:30. | :07:32. | |
told us we were horrified, told us we were horrified, | :07:32. | :07:33. | |
told us we were horrified, absolutely horrified. You know, the | :07:33. | :07:34. | |
absolutely horrified. You know, the absolutely horrified. You know, the | :07:34. | :07:35. | |
absolutely horrified. You know, the fact that they could allow it to go | :07:35. | :07:36. | |
fact that they could allow it to go fact that they could allow it to go | :07:36. | :07:37. | |
for �240,000 when we were talking for �240,000 when we were talking | :07:37. | :07:38. | |
for �240,000 when we were talking for �240,000 when we were talking | :07:38. | :07:41. | |
the sort of money we were talking the sort of money we were talking | :07:41. | :07:42. | |
the sort of money we were talking about. �1.5 million to purchase the | :07:42. | :07:43. | |
about. �1.5 million to purchase the about. �1.5 million to purchase the | :07:43. | :07:43. | |
about. �1.5 million to purchase the site and potential gain as well, so | :07:43. | :07:44. | |
site and potential gain as well, so site and potential gain as well, so | :07:44. | :07:45. | |
potentially double that, �3 million, potentially double that, �3 million, | :07:45. | :07:49. | |
potentially double that, �3 million, it just was an nonsense. Friends | :07:50. | :07:51. | |
it just was an nonsense. Friends it just was an nonsense. Friends | :07:51. | :07:51. | |
it just was an nonsense. Friends and colleagues that I do know who | :07:51. | :07:52. | |
and colleagues that I do know who and colleagues that I do know who | :07:52. | :07:53. | |
were, and indeed put, serious bids were, and indeed put, serious bids | :07:53. | :07:54. | |
were, and indeed put, serious bids in for this property, they just | :07:54. | :07:58. | |
in for this property, they just in for this property, they just | :07:58. | :07:59. | |
in for this property, they just seemed to get nowhere. The thing is | :07:59. | :08:00. | |
seemed to get nowhere. The thing is seemed to get nowhere. The thing is | :08:00. | :08:01. | |
when the original sale fell through, when the original sale fell through, | :08:01. | :08:03. | |
when the original sale fell through, they weren't given a second chance. | :08:03. | :08:04. | |
they weren't given a second chance. they weren't given a second chance. | :08:04. | :08:09. | |
they weren't given a second chance. Now, if I'd have been the council. | :08:09. | :08:10. | |
Now, if I'd have been the council. Now, if I'd have been the council. | :08:10. | :08:11. | |
Even in the worst scenario they Even in the worst scenario they | :08:11. | :08:12. | |
Even in the worst scenario they Even in the worst scenario they | :08:12. | :08:13. | |
should have said, OK, why don't we should have said, OK, why don't we | :08:13. | :08:15. | |
should have said, OK, why don't we should have said, OK, why don't we | :08:15. | :08:16. | |
put it up for public auction. If we put it up for public auction. If we | :08:16. | :08:17. | |
put it up for public auction. If we put this property up for public | :08:17. | :08:18. | |
put this property up for public put this property up for public | :08:18. | :08:18. | |
put this property up for public auction I know at least two or | :08:18. | :08:19. | |
auction I know at least two or auction I know at least two or | :08:19. | :08:20. | |
three people who would have started three people who would have started | :08:20. | :08:21. | |
three people who would have started the bidding in the millions, not | :08:22. | :08:22. | |
the bidding in the millions, not the bidding in the millions, not | :08:22. | :08:23. | |
the hundreds of thousands, in the the hundreds of thousands, in the | :08:23. | :08:24. | |
the hundreds of thousands, in the millions. You had one preferred | :08:24. | :08:25. | |
millions. You had one preferred millions. You had one preferred | :08:25. | :08:26. | |
millions. You had one preferred bidder but would you have gone back | :08:26. | :08:27. | |
bidder but would you have gone back bidder but would you have gone back | :08:27. | :08:28. | |
to the original ones. It's nearly to the original ones. It's nearly | :08:28. | :08:29. | |
to the original ones. It's nearly four years ago since we went | :08:29. | :08:30. | |
four years ago since we went four years ago since we went | :08:31. | :08:31. | |
through that process. We had one through that process. We had one | :08:31. | :08:32. | |
through that process. We had one through that process. We had one | :08:32. | :08:33. | |
offer on the table now and that's offer on the table now and that's | :08:33. | :08:35. | |
offer on the table now and that's offer on the table now and that's | :08:35. | :08:35. | |
the one we took. I suppose the the one we took. I suppose the | :08:35. | :08:36. | |
the one we took. I suppose the the one we took. I suppose the | :08:36. | :08:37. | |
question is if I was selling my question is if I was selling my | :08:37. | :08:38. | |
question is if I was selling my question is if I was selling my | :08:38. | :08:39. | |
house and my buyer, who I'm really house and my buyer, who I'm really | :08:39. | :08:40. | |
house and my buyer, who I'm really happy with, pulls out, I would | :08:40. | :08:41. | |
happy with, pulls out, I would happy with, pulls out, I would | :08:41. | :08:42. | |
happy with, pulls out, I would think of going back to the others | :08:42. | :08:43. | |
think of going back to the others think of going back to the others | :08:43. | :08:43. | |
think of going back to the others who had shown an interest. It is | :08:43. | :08:44. | |
who had shown an interest. It is who had shown an interest. It is | :08:44. | :08:45. | |
quite some time ago though, isn't quite some time ago though, isn't | :08:45. | :08:46. | |
quite some time ago though, isn't quite some time ago though, isn't | :08:46. | :08:47. | |
it? I suppose on that basis we felt it? I suppose on that basis we felt | :08:47. | :08:48. | |
it? I suppose on that basis we felt it? I suppose on that basis we felt | :08:48. | :08:49. | |
happy to proceed with the one we happy to proceed with the one we | :08:49. | :08:50. | |
happy to proceed with the one we had. Aware of the multi million | :08:50. | :08:51. | |
had. Aware of the multi million had. Aware of the multi million | :08:51. | :08:52. | |
pound cost of restoration, the new pound cost of restoration, the new | :08:52. | :08:53. | |
pound cost of restoration, the new pound cost of restoration, the new | :08:53. | :08:55. | |
owners opening bid for the Hall was owners opening bid for the Hall was | :08:55. | :08:56. | |
owners opening bid for the Hall was owners opening bid for the Hall was | :08:57. | :08:57. | |
just �1. The council told us they just �1. The council told us they | :08:57. | :08:58. | |
just �1. The council told us they threatened to pull out if the | :08:58. | :08:59. | |
threatened to pull out if the threatened to pull out if the | :08:59. | :09:01. | |
process was opened up to other process was opened up to other | :09:01. | :09:02. | |
process was opened up to other bidders. The new owners say they | :09:02. | :09:03. | |
bidders. The new owners say they bidders. The new owners say they | :09:03. | :09:04. | |
bidders. The new owners say they just want to turn it into a family | :09:04. | :09:05. | |
just want to turn it into a family just want to turn it into a family | :09:05. | :09:06. | |
just want to turn it into a family home and restore it to its former | :09:06. | :09:07. | |
home and restore it to its former home and restore it to its former | :09:07. | :09:08. | |
glory. We have confirmed that, at glory. We have confirmed that, at | :09:08. | :09:09. | |
glory. We have confirmed that, at glory. We have confirmed that, at | :09:09. | :09:10. | |
the time of the sale, no covenants the time of the sale, no covenants | :09:10. | :09:11. | |
the time of the sale, no covenants or restrictions were placed on what | :09:11. | :09:14. | |
or restrictions were placed on what or restrictions were placed on what | :09:14. | :09:15. | |
or restrictions were placed on what could be done here. I would expect | :09:15. | :09:15. | |
could be done here. I would expect could be done here. I would expect | :09:15. | :09:16. | |
any local authority to have looked any local authority to have looked | :09:16. | :09:17. | |
any local authority to have looked at providing some conditions as | :09:17. | :09:18. | |
at providing some conditions as at providing some conditions as | :09:18. | :09:19. | |
at providing some conditions as part of that sale and they can do | :09:19. | :09:20. | |
part of that sale and they can do part of that sale and they can do | :09:20. | :09:21. | |
that through a number of ways, that through a number of ways, | :09:21. | :09:22. | |
that through a number of ways, agreements and so on, legal | :09:22. | :09:23. | |
agreements and so on, legal agreements and so on, legal | :09:23. | :09:24. | |
agreements, and that would be the agreements, and that would be the | :09:24. | :09:25. | |
agreements, and that would be the normal course and that would be | :09:25. | :09:26. | |
normal course and that would be normal course and that would be | :09:26. | :09:27. | |
what all the Government guidance what all the Government guidance | :09:27. | :09:33. | |
what all the Government guidance what all the Government guidance | :09:33. | :09:34. | |
would tell you to do. So when you would tell you to do. So when you | :09:34. | :09:35. | |
would tell you to do. So when you would tell you to do. So when you | :09:35. | :09:36. | |
sold this house, did you put any sold this house, did you put any | :09:36. | :09:37. | |
restrictions, covenants or anything restrictions, covenants or anything | :09:37. | :09:38. | |
restrictions, covenants or anything else to ensure that the heritage | :09:38. | :09:39. | |
else to ensure that the heritage else to ensure that the heritage | :09:39. | :09:40. | |
that you were, in effect handing that you were, in effect handing | :09:40. | :09:41. | |
that you were, in effect handing that you were, in effect handing | :09:41. | :09:42. | |
over, for a price, would be looked over, for a price, would be looked | :09:42. | :09:46. | |
over, for a price, would be looked over, for a price, would be looked | :09:46. | :09:46. | |
after in the future. I'm not aware after in the future. I'm not aware | :09:46. | :09:47. | |
after in the future. I'm not aware that we put any covenants actually | :09:47. | :09:48. | |
that we put any covenants actually that we put any covenants actually | :09:48. | :09:49. | |
that we put any covenants actually over the sale of the building but | :09:49. | :09:50. | |
over the sale of the building but over the sale of the building but | :09:50. | :09:51. | |
obviously if the person who's using obviously if the person who's using | :09:51. | :09:52. | |
obviously if the person who's using obviously if the person who's using | :09:52. | :09:53. | |
it uses it as a private dwelling it uses it as a private dwelling | :09:53. | :09:54. | |
it uses it as a private dwelling house, any changes they need to | :09:54. | :09:55. | |
house, any changes they need to house, any changes they need to | :09:55. | :09:56. | |
house, any changes they need to make to the property to bring it | :09:56. | :09:57. | |
make to the property to bring it make to the property to bring it | :09:57. | :09:58. | |
back to its former condition, all back to its former condition, all | :09:58. | :09:58. | |
back to its former condition, all of those will require Listed | :09:58. | :09:59. | |
of those will require Listed of those will require Listed | :09:59. | :10:00. | |
Building Consent going forward. Any Building Consent going forward. Any | :10:00. | :10:01. | |
Building Consent going forward. Any other changes they want to provide | :10:01. | :10:02. | |
other changes they want to provide other changes they want to provide | :10:02. | :10:03. | |
other changes they want to provide in the future, all of that will, of | :10:03. | :10:04. | |
in the future, all of that will, of in the future, all of that will, of | :10:04. | :10:05. | |
course, come under the council's course, come under the council's | :10:05. | :10:06. | |
course, come under the council's planning authority and will require | :10:06. | :10:07. | |
planning authority and will require planning authority and will require | :10:07. | :10:09. | |
consent from English Heritage as consent from English Heritage as | :10:09. | :10:10. | |
consent from English Heritage as well. I would certainly be very | :10:10. | :10:11. | |
well. I would certainly be very well. I would certainly be very | :10:11. | :10:12. | |
concerned if there are no covenants concerned if there are no covenants | :10:12. | :10:13. | |
concerned if there are no covenants concerned if there are no covenants | :10:13. | :10:14. | |
because then it would be free for because then it would be free for | :10:14. | :10:15. | |
because then it would be free for the developer to virtually do what | :10:15. | :10:17. | |
the developer to virtually do what the developer to virtually do what | :10:17. | :10:18. | |
the developer to virtually do what he likes. I hope it doesn't go in | :10:18. | :10:19. | |
he likes. I hope it doesn't go in he likes. I hope it doesn't go in | :10:19. | :10:20. | |
that direction because I think it's that direction because I think it's | :10:20. | :10:21. | |
that direction because I think it's too important an asset for the | :10:21. | :10:22. | |
too important an asset for the too important an asset for the | :10:22. | :10:27. | |
county as a whole and nationally. county as a whole and nationally. | :10:27. | :10:28. | |
county as a whole and nationally. county as a whole and nationally. | :10:28. | :10:28. | |
The deal and the price tag so The deal and the price tag so | :10:28. | :10:29. | |
The deal and the price tag so infuriated on councilor, he asked | :10:29. | :10:31. | |
infuriated on councilor, he asked infuriated on councilor, he asked | :10:31. | :10:32. | |
auditors to investigate. I think auditors to investigate. I think | :10:32. | :10:33. | |
auditors to investigate. I think auditors to investigate. I think | :10:33. | :10:34. | |
there's a lot of people who aren't there's a lot of people who aren't | :10:34. | :10:36. | |
interested and don't care. interested and don't care. | :10:36. | :10:37. | |
interested and don't care. Unfortunately I like to ask | :10:37. | :10:38. | |
Unfortunately I like to ask Unfortunately I like to ask | :10:38. | :10:39. | |
questions. I'm elected to represent questions. I'm elected to represent | :10:39. | :10:40. | |
questions. I'm elected to represent questions. I'm elected to represent | :10:40. | :10:41. | |
people and I like to see that they people and I like to see that they | :10:41. | :10:42. | |
people and I like to see that they get the best value for their | :10:42. | :10:43. | |
get the best value for their get the best value for their | :10:43. | :10:44. | |
council tax. And right now, they council tax. And right now, they | :10:44. | :10:46. | |
council tax. And right now, they aren't getting best value. | :10:46. | :10:47. | |
aren't getting best value. aren't getting best value. | :10:47. | :10:49. | |
Thursday councilors will debate the Thursday councilors will debate the | :10:49. | :10:50. | |
Thursday councilors will debate the auditor's report. It says the | :10:50. | :10:51. | |
auditor's report. It says the auditor's report. It says the | :10:51. | :10:52. | |
council should have talked to council should have talked to | :10:52. | :10:53. | |
council should have talked to English Heritage before the whole | :10:53. | :10:54. | |
English Heritage before the whole English Heritage before the whole | :10:55. | :10:55. | |
English Heritage before the whole process began. It notes a lack of | :10:55. | :10:56. | |
process began. It notes a lack of transparency and accountability | :10:56. | :10:57. | |
transparency and accountability transparency and accountability | :10:57. | :10:58. | |
when the council decided to when the council decided to | :10:58. | :10:59. | |
when the council decided to remarket the hall in 2010. | :10:59. | :11:00. | |
remarket the hall in 2010. Discussions with the final | :11:00. | :11:01. | |
Discussions with the final Discussions with the final | :11:01. | :11:04. | |
purchaser are described as very purchaser are described as very | :11:04. | :11:05. | |
purchaser are described as very informal. And without the right | :11:05. | :11:06. | |
informal. And without the right informal. And without the right | :11:06. | :11:07. | |
paperwork the auditor says she paperwork the auditor says she | :11:07. | :11:08. | |
paperwork the auditor says she cannot be certain the final sale | :11:08. | :11:11. | |
cannot be certain the final sale cannot be certain the final sale | :11:11. | :11:12. | |
was a good deal. The report was a good deal. The report | :11:12. | :11:13. | |
concludes, the council's reputation concludes, the council's reputation | :11:13. | :11:18. | |
concludes, the council's reputation has been damaged. I just can't | :11:18. | :11:19. | |
has been damaged. I just can't has been damaged. I just can't | :11:19. | :11:22. | |
believe that a body that runs believe that a body that runs | :11:22. | :11:23. | |
believe that a body that runs County Durham. These are the people | :11:24. | :11:25. | |
County Durham. These are the people County Durham. These are the people | :11:25. | :11:25. | |
County Durham. These are the people we pay our rates to and these are | :11:25. | :11:26. | |
we pay our rates to and these are we pay our rates to and these are | :11:26. | :11:27. | |
people who always say we haven't people who always say we haven't | :11:28. | :11:28. | |
people who always say we haven't people who always say we haven't | :11:29. | :11:29. | |
got enough money to do this, we got enough money to do this, we | :11:29. | :11:30. | |
got enough money to do this, we got enough money to do this, we | :11:30. | :11:31. | |
haven't got enough money to do that, haven't got enough money to do that, | :11:31. | :11:32. | |
haven't got enough money to do that, haven't got enough money to do that, | :11:32. | :11:33. | |
and then they just seem to, when and then they just seem to, when | :11:33. | :11:34. | |
and then they just seem to, when and then they just seem to, when | :11:34. | :11:35. | |
they have a pot of gold, given it they have a pot of gold, given it | :11:35. | :11:36. | |
they have a pot of gold, given it they have a pot of gold, given it | :11:36. | :11:38. | |
they have a pot of gold, given it away as if it's a pot of honey. | :11:38. | :11:39. | |
away as if it's a pot of honey. away as if it's a pot of honey. | :11:39. | :11:40. | |
you then confident that this has you then confident that this has | :11:40. | :11:41. | |
you then confident that this has been the best possible value for | :11:41. | :11:43. | |
been the best possible value for been the best possible value for | :11:43. | :11:44. | |
the council? Sitting here, 2013, the council? Sitting here, 2013, | :11:44. | :11:45. | |
the council? Sitting here, 2013, I'm absolutely confident this is a | :11:45. | :11:46. | |
I'm absolutely confident this is a I'm absolutely confident this is a | :11:46. | :11:51. | |
I'm absolutely confident this is a good deal for the Council. 20 years | :11:51. | :11:52. | |
good deal for the Council. 20 years good deal for the Council. 20 years | :11:52. | :11:52. | |
good deal for the Council. 20 years ago the last shipyard on the Tyne | :11:52. | :11:53. | |
ago the last shipyard on the Tyne ago the last shipyard on the Tyne | :11:53. | :11:54. | |
was on the verge of collapse. was on the verge of collapse. | :11:54. | :11:55. | |
Swan Hunter, the world-famous Swan Hunter, the world-famous | :11:55. | :11:56. | |
Swan Hunter, the world-famous shipbuilder, was brought to its | :11:56. | :11:57. | |
shipbuilder, was brought to its shipbuilder, was brought to its | :11:57. | :11:59. | |
knees when it lost one crucial knees when it lost one crucial | :11:59. | :12:00. | |
knees when it lost one crucial order. Receivers moved in to | :12:00. | :12:03. | |
order. Receivers moved in to order. Receivers moved in to | :12:03. | :12:04. | |
salvage what they could. For many salvage what they could. For many | :12:04. | :12:05. | |
salvage what they could. For many of those involved, it's a period | :12:05. | :12:15. | |
:12:15. | :12:32. | ||
of those involved, it's a period Being the best wasn't good enough. | :12:32. | :12:33. | |
Being the best wasn't good enough. Being the best wasn't good enough. | :12:33. | :12:34. | |
The sense of despair and The sense of despair and | :12:34. | :12:34. | |
disappointment on Tyneside disappointment on Tyneside | :12:34. | :12:36. | |
disappointment on Tyneside yesterday will turn to anger and | :12:36. | :12:37. | |
betrayal. betrayal. | :12:37. | :12:38. | |
betrayal. betrayal. | :12:38. | :12:39. | |
1,600 ships and a 133 years of 1,600 ships and a 133 years of | :12:39. | :12:40. | |
shipbuilding. From warships and shipbuilding. From warships and | :12:40. | :12:41. | |
shipbuilding. From warships and luxury liners to supertankers in | :12:41. | :12:42. | |
luxury liners to supertankers in luxury liners to supertankers in | :12:42. | :12:42. | |
luxury liners to supertankers in the 1960s and 70s. Once it was | :12:43. | :12:44. | |
the 1960s and 70s. Once it was unthinkable that shipbuilding at | :12:44. | :12:45. | |
unthinkable that shipbuilding at unthinkable that shipbuilding at | :12:45. | :12:47. | |
Swan Hunter's in Wallsend would Swan Hunter's in Wallsend would | :12:47. | :12:48. | |
Swan Hunter's in Wallsend would Swan Hunter's in Wallsend would | :12:48. | :12:49. | |
ever end. Now it is hard to imagine ever end. Now it is hard to imagine | :12:49. | :12:58. | |
ever end. Now it is hard to imagine that it happened at all. | :12:58. | :12:59. | |
that it happened at all. that it happened at all. | :12:59. | :13:00. | |
When I walked into Swan Hunter's When I walked into Swan Hunter's | :13:00. | :13:01. | |
When I walked into Swan Hunter's this morning it was like desolation | :13:01. | :13:11. | |
:13:11. | :13:13. | ||
this morning it was like desolation this morning it was like desolation | :13:13. | :13:14. | |
this morning it was like desolation row. Her after losing an order for | :13:14. | :13:15. | |
row. Her after losing an order for row. Her after losing an order for | :13:15. | :13:15. | |
row. Her after losing an order for their Royal Navy or Swan Hunter is | :13:15. | :13:19. | |
their Royal Navy or Swan Hunter is their Royal Navy or Swan Hunter is | :13:19. | :13:19. | |
in trouble. British shipbuiding had in trouble. British shipbuiding had | :13:19. | :13:20. | |
in trouble. British shipbuiding had long been in decline, but losing | :13:20. | :13:21. | |
long been in decline, but losing long been in decline, but losing | :13:21. | :13:22. | |
long been in decline, but losing this order to VSEL in Barrow had | :13:22. | :13:28. | |
catastrophic consequences. catastrophic consequences. | :13:28. | :13:29. | |
catastrophic consequences. On that particular morning, Roger | :13:29. | :13:30. | |
On that particular morning, Roger On that particular morning, Roger | :13:30. | :13:31. | |
Vaughan standing at the main gates, Vaughan standing at the main gates, | :13:31. | :13:32. | |
Vaughan standing at the main gates, Vaughan standing at the main gates, | :13:32. | :13:33. | |
pulled us to the side and said the pulled us to the side and said the | :13:33. | :13:34. | |
pulled us to the side and said the company is in financial trouble and | :13:34. | :13:35. | |
company is in financial trouble and company is in financial trouble and | :13:35. | :13:36. | |
company is in financial trouble and we are going to bring the receivers | :13:36. | :13:37. | |
we are going to bring the receivers we are going to bring the receivers | :13:37. | :13:38. | |
in. It was a real bodyblow. in. It was a real bodyblow. | :13:38. | :13:39. | |
in. It was a real bodyblow. When the receivers walked across | :13:39. | :13:40. | |
When the receivers walked across When the receivers walked across | :13:40. | :13:41. | |
When the receivers walked across the yard that day I was really, | :13:41. | :13:41. | |
the yard that day I was really, the yard that day I was really, | :13:41. | :13:42. | |
the yard that day I was really, really down. I thought, "It has got | :13:42. | :13:43. | |
really down. I thought, "It has got really down. I thought, "It has got | :13:43. | :13:44. | |
really down. I thought, "It has got to be the end." They were taking | :13:44. | :13:45. | |
to be the end." They were taking to be the end." They were taking | :13:45. | :13:46. | |
stock of the machinery. We were stock of the machinery. We were | :13:46. | :13:47. | |
stock of the machinery. We were stock of the machinery. We were | :13:47. | :13:48. | |
told to ignore them, but how can told to ignore them, but how can | :13:48. | :13:49. | |
told to ignore them, but how can you? People like that taking the | :13:49. | :13:50. | |
you? People like that taking the you? People like that taking the | :13:50. | :13:51. | |
life blood away, it was awful. life blood away, it was awful. | :13:51. | :13:52. | |
life blood away, it was awful. All around the yard there was | :13:52. | :13:54. | |
All around the yard there was confusion and anxiety. | :13:54. | :13:55. | |
confusion and anxiety. confusion and anxiety. | :13:55. | :13:56. | |
2,200 people worked at Swans, among 2,200 people worked at Swans, among | :13:56. | :13:57. | |
2,200 people worked at Swans, among them Elaine Greenwell and her | :13:57. | :14:01. | |
father. father. | :14:01. | :14:02. | |
father. father. | :14:02. | :14:03. | |
I can remember going to work as I can remember going to work as | :14:03. | :14:04. | |
I can remember going to work as I can remember going to work as | :14:04. | :14:05. | |
normal. We were told we could not normal. We were told we could not | :14:05. | :14:06. | |
normal. We were told we could not normal. We were told we could not | :14:06. | :14:06. | |
go into work, we were locked out go into work, we were locked out | :14:07. | :14:08. | |
go into work, we were locked out because the receivers were in. We | :14:08. | :14:09. | |
because the receivers were in. We because the receivers were in. We | :14:09. | :14:10. | |
were all standing there and nobody were all standing there and nobody | :14:10. | :14:13. | |
were all standing there and nobody would speak to us. I sometimes | :14:13. | :14:14. | |
would speak to us. I sometimes would speak to us. I sometimes | :14:14. | :14:15. | |
would speak to us. I sometimes still feel very angry about it. Why | :14:15. | :14:16. | |
still feel very angry about it. Why still feel very angry about it. Why | :14:16. | :14:17. | |
still feel very angry about it. Why did they close it? It does make you | :14:17. | :14:24. | |
angry. angry. | :14:24. | :14:25. | |
angry. angry. | :14:25. | :14:26. | |
Bill was 61 and had worked in Bill was 61 and had worked in | :14:26. | :14:31. | |
shipyards all his life. shipyards all his life. | :14:31. | :14:32. | |
shipyards all his life. shipyards all his life. | :14:32. | :14:33. | |
Went to work, and was told the Went to work, and was told the | :14:33. | :14:34. | |
Went to work, and was told the receivers were in. You can't take | :14:34. | :14:35. | |
receivers were in. You can't take receivers were in. You can't take | :14:35. | :14:36. | |
your tools out or anything. your tools out or anything. | :14:36. | :14:37. | |
your tools out or anything. Everybody said, "We are taking our | :14:37. | :14:38. | |
Everybody said, "We are taking our Everybody said, "We are taking our | :14:38. | :14:43. | |
tools out, they are ours." tools out, they are ours." | :14:43. | :14:44. | |
tools out, they are ours." we were only appointed this | :14:44. | :14:45. | |
we were only appointed this we were only appointed this | :14:45. | :14:45. | |
afternoon, we have not previously afternoon, we have not previously | :14:45. | :14:50. | |
afternoon, we have not previously set foot in the company. | :14:50. | :14:51. | |
set foot in the company. set foot in the company. | :14:51. | :14:51. | |
set foot in the company. But the workforce had not been told | :14:51. | :14:58. | |
But the workforce had not been told the full story. | :14:58. | :14:59. | |
the full story. the full story. | :14:59. | :15:00. | |
the full story. We had spent a little bit of time | :15:00. | :15:01. | |
We had spent a little bit of time We had spent a little bit of time | :15:01. | :15:02. | |
in the months beforehand in in the months beforehand in | :15:02. | :15:03. | |
confidential discussions with the confidential discussions with the | :15:03. | :15:04. | |
confidential discussions with the confidential discussions with the | :15:04. | :15:05. | |
banks and with the company as to banks and with the company as to | :15:05. | :15:06. | |
banks and with the company as to what the consequences could be if | :15:06. | :15:07. | |
what the consequences could be if what the consequences could be if | :15:07. | :15:08. | |
Swans did not win the major Swans did not win the major | :15:08. | :15:11. | |
Swans did not win the major contract that it was looking for. | :15:11. | :15:12. | |
contract that it was looking for. contract that it was looking for. | :15:12. | :15:13. | |
Your first impression on arrival as Your first impression on arrival as | :15:13. | :15:14. | |
Your first impression on arrival as Your first impression on arrival as | :15:14. | :15:16. | |
Your first impression on arrival as you go down the bank - gulp! A bit | :15:16. | :15:17. | |
you go down the bank - gulp! A bit you go down the bank - gulp! A bit | :15:17. | :15:18. | |
like walking out the tunnel at like walking out the tunnel at | :15:18. | :15:19. | |
like walking out the tunnel at Wembley. Suddenly all the media, | :15:19. | :15:20. | |
Wembley. Suddenly all the media, microphones, cameras, booms waving | :15:20. | :15:28. | |
microphones, cameras, booms waving microphones, cameras, booms waving | :15:28. | :15:29. | |
microphones, cameras, booms waving at you. When the Duke of Edinburgh | :15:29. | :15:30. | |
at you. When the Duke of Edinburgh at you. When the Duke of Edinburgh | :15:30. | :15:31. | |
visited Swans in 1957, John Hall visited Swans in 1957, John Hall | :15:31. | :15:32. | |
visited Swans in 1957, John Hall visited Swans in 1957, John Hall | :15:32. | :15:33. | |
visited Swans in 1957, John Hall was just a young lad - one of tens | :15:33. | :15:34. | |
was just a young lad - one of tens was just a young lad - one of tens | :15:34. | :15:35. | |
of thousands working on the Tyne. of thousands working on the Tyne. | :15:35. | :15:36. | |
of thousands working on the Tyne. He remembers his first cup of | :15:36. | :15:42. | |
riveters' tea. riveters' tea. | :15:42. | :15:43. | |
riveters' tea. riveters' tea. | :15:43. | :15:43. | |
It was in an old white can... It was in an old white can... | :15:43. | :15:44. | |
It was in an old white can... Horrible, but I was too frightened | :15:44. | :15:54. | |
:15:54. | :15:56. | ||
Horrible, but I was too frightened Horrible, but I was too frightened | :15:56. | :15:57. | |
Horrible, but I was too frightened to say no. It was Black's strong, | :15:57. | :15:59. | |
to say no. It was Black's strong, to say no. It was Black's strong, | :15:59. | :16:04. | |
to say no. It was Black's strong, you could stand up Aspin in it. -- | :16:04. | :16:07. | |
aspirin. aspirin. | :16:07. | :16:08. | |
aspirin. By 1993, only Swans remained. The | :16:08. | :16:09. | |
By 1993, only Swans remained. The By 1993, only Swans remained. The | :16:09. | :16:10. | |
By 1993, only Swans remained. The yard just had one order for three | :16:10. | :16:16. | |
MoD frigates. MoD frigates. | :16:16. | :16:17. | |
MoD frigates. MoD frigates. | :16:17. | :16:18. | |
We heard that Swan Hunter's did not We heard that Swan Hunter's did not | :16:18. | :16:19. | |
We heard that Swan Hunter's did not get the order when they announced | :16:19. | :16:21. | |
get the order when they announced get the order when they announced | :16:21. | :16:22. | |
get the order when they announced it in Parliament. Just a few hours | :16:22. | :16:23. | |
it in Parliament. Just a few hours it in Parliament. Just a few hours | :16:23. | :16:24. | |
earlier the company was being told earlier the company was being told | :16:24. | :16:25. | |
earlier the company was being told earlier the company was being told | :16:25. | :16:31. | |
that it was all OK. It was snatched away. | :16:31. | :16:32. | |
away. away. | :16:32. | :16:33. | |
A month earlier, the Defence A month earlier, the Defence | :16:33. | :16:34. | |
A month earlier, the Defence Minister, Jonathan Aitken, had left | :16:34. | :16:35. | |
Minister, Jonathan Aitken, had left Minister, Jonathan Aitken, had left | :16:35. | :16:39. | |
the yard in buoyant mood. the yard in buoyant mood. | :16:39. | :16:41. | |
the yard in buoyant mood. the yard in buoyant mood. | :16:41. | :16:46. | |
How impressed are you? I am very How impressed are you? I am very | :16:46. | :16:48. | |
How impressed are you? I am very impressed. They have a finer record | :16:48. | :16:49. | |
impressed. They have a finer record impressed. They have a finer record | :16:49. | :16:50. | |
and a workforce with the highest and a workforce with the highest | :16:50. | :16:57. | |
skill and dedication. skill and dedication. | :16:57. | :16:57. | |
skill and dedication. It was a particularly difficult | :16:57. | :16:58. | |
It was a particularly difficult It was a particularly difficult | :16:58. | :16:59. | |
It was a particularly difficult period for all shipyards in the UK. | :16:59. | :17:00. | |
period for all shipyards in the UK. period for all shipyards in the UK. | :17:00. | :17:01. | |
There were too many shipyards There were too many shipyards | :17:01. | :17:03. | |
chasing too few orders. chasing too few orders. | :17:03. | :17:04. | |
chasing too few orders. I remember being enormously sad | :17:04. | :17:05. | |
I remember being enormously sad I remember being enormously sad | :17:05. | :17:07. | |
I remember being enormously sad that Swan Hunter's had not won it. | :17:07. | :17:08. | |
that Swan Hunter's had not won it. that Swan Hunter's had not won it. | :17:08. | :17:11. | |
My personal favourite was for Swan Hunter's. | :17:11. | :17:12. | |
Hunter's. Hunter's. | :17:12. | :17:13. | |
Hunter's. At the time the MoD did play it | :17:13. | :17:14. | |
At the time the MoD did play it At the time the MoD did play it | :17:14. | :17:14. | |
straight, despite all these rumours straight, despite all these rumours | :17:14. | :17:15. | |
straight, despite all these rumours and conspiracy theories that the | :17:15. | :17:16. | |
and conspiracy theories that the and conspiracy theories that the | :17:16. | :17:17. | |
and conspiracy theories that the bid was being angled one way or | :17:17. | :17:18. | |
bid was being angled one way or bid was being angled one way or | :17:18. | :17:25. | |
another. That simply was not true. another. That simply was not true. | :17:25. | :17:26. | |
another. That simply was not true. another. That simply was not true. | :17:26. | :17:27. | |
The other ship yards were run by The other ship yards were run by | :17:27. | :17:28. | |
The other ship yards were run by The other ship yards were run by | :17:28. | :17:28. | |
big companies, this was run by the big companies, this was run by the | :17:28. | :17:29. | |
big companies, this was run by the little guys, they were the easiest | :17:29. | :17:30. | |
little guys, they were the easiest little guys, they were the easiest | :17:30. | :17:31. | |
little guys, they were the easiest to rub out. It sounds like a TV | :17:31. | :17:32. | |
to rub out. It sounds like a TV to rub out. It sounds like a TV | :17:32. | :17:33. | |
conspiracy, but all the actions conspiracy, but all the actions | :17:33. | :17:42. | |
conspiracy, but all the actions were like a TV conspiracy. | :17:42. | :17:43. | |
were like a TV conspiracy. were like a TV conspiracy. | :17:43. | :17:44. | |
were like a TV conspiracy. And in the pouring rain, men told | :17:44. | :17:47. | |
the news. the news. | :17:47. | :17:48. | |
the news. We explained to them the company | :17:48. | :17:49. | |
We explained to them the company We explained to them the company | :17:49. | :17:50. | |
was in receivership. None of our was in receivership. None of our | :17:50. | :17:52. | |
was in receivership. None of our was in receivership. None of our | :17:52. | :17:52. | |
jobs were safe and, to compound the jobs were safe and, to compound the | :17:52. | :17:53. | |
jobs were safe and, to compound the problem, that there were no wages, | :17:53. | :17:54. | |
problem, that there were no wages, problem, that there were no wages, | :17:54. | :17:55. | |
problem, that there were no wages, bearing in mind they were paid a | :17:55. | :17:56. | |
bearing in mind they were paid a bearing in mind they were paid a | :17:56. | :17:57. | |
month in arrears. They felt they month in arrears. They felt they | :17:57. | :18:01. | |
had been betrayed. had been betrayed. | :18:01. | :18:03. | |
had been betrayed. had been betrayed. | :18:03. | :18:04. | |
When can you tell us? About half an When can you tell us? About half an | :18:04. | :18:06. | |
When can you tell us? About half an When can you tell us? About half an | :18:06. | :18:07. | |
hour is the current time scale. hour is the current time scale. | :18:07. | :18:07. | |
hour is the current time scale. large crowd of media gathered | :18:07. | :18:08. | |
large crowd of media gathered large crowd of media gathered | :18:09. | :18:09. | |
outside Swans so I volunteered to outside Swans so I volunteered to | :18:09. | :18:18. | |
outside Swans so I volunteered to go outside and read the statement. | :18:19. | :18:21. | |
go outside and read the statement. go outside and read the statement. | :18:21. | :18:22. | |
go outside and read the statement. They told me: Sorry, we can not pay | :18:22. | :18:29. | |
They told me: Sorry, we can not pay you for this. | :18:29. | :18:30. | |
you for this. you for this. | :18:30. | :18:31. | |
you for this. I walked out and read the statement | :18:31. | :18:35. | |
I walked out and read the statement that had been agreed. | :18:35. | :18:36. | |
that had been agreed. that had been agreed. | :18:36. | :18:37. | |
OK, everybody ready? This tragic OK, everybody ready? This tragic | :18:37. | :18:38. | |
OK, everybody ready? This tragic OK, everybody ready? This tragic | :18:38. | :18:39. | |
outcome is a bitter blow to a outcome is a bitter blow to a | :18:39. | :18:42. | |
dedicated and superb workforce. dedicated and superb workforce. | :18:42. | :18:43. | |
dedicated and superb workforce. dedicated and superb workforce. | :18:43. | :18:44. | |
dedicated and superb workforce. At the end of it I put down the | :18:44. | :18:45. | |
At the end of it I put down the At the end of it I put down the | :18:45. | :18:46. | |
At the end of it I put down the piece of paper and I said, "Being | :18:46. | :18:47. | |
piece of paper and I said, "Being piece of paper and I said, "Being | :18:47. | :18:53. | |
the best was not good enough." the best was not good enough." | :18:53. | :18:54. | |
the best was not good enough." Fortunately, money was found to pay | :18:54. | :18:55. | |
Fortunately, money was found to pay Fortunately, money was found to pay | :18:55. | :18:56. | |
the workforce so the MoD frigates the workforce so the MoD frigates | :18:56. | :18:57. | |
the workforce so the MoD frigates could be completed. This bought the | :18:57. | :18:58. | |
could be completed. This bought the could be completed. This bought the | :18:58. | :18:59. | |
could be completed. This bought the receivers time to find a buyer for | :18:59. | :19:01. | |
the yard. the yard. | :19:01. | :19:02. | |
the yard. But as each ship was finished, | :19:02. | :19:03. | |
But as each ship was finished, But as each ship was finished, | :19:03. | :19:08. | |
workers were laid off in waves. workers were laid off in waves. | :19:08. | :19:10. | |
workers were laid off in waves. workers were laid off in waves. | :19:10. | :19:11. | |
I was nearly last. I completed one I was nearly last. I completed one | :19:11. | :19:12. | |
I was nearly last. I completed one I was nearly last. I completed one | :19:12. | :19:13. | |
job, manager says, "You have got to job, manager says, "You have got to | :19:13. | :19:14. | |
job, manager says, "You have got to leave the premises," and that was | :19:14. | :19:15. | |
leave the premises," and that was leave the premises," and that was | :19:15. | :19:22. | |
leave the premises," and that was it. Took my tools and scuttled away. | :19:22. | :19:23. | |
it. Took my tools and scuttled away. it. Took my tools and scuttled away. | :19:23. | :19:24. | |
it. Took my tools and scuttled away. My last day was more memorable, got | :19:24. | :19:25. | |
My last day was more memorable, got My last day was more memorable, got | :19:25. | :19:26. | |
My last day was more memorable, got a bottle of Champagne for being the | :19:26. | :19:27. | |
a bottle of Champagne for being the a bottle of Champagne for being the | :19:27. | :19:27. | |
a bottle of Champagne for being the youngest left. I was lucky. I left | :19:27. | :19:28. | |
youngest left. I was lucky. I left youngest left. I was lucky. I left | :19:28. | :19:29. | |
youngest left. I was lucky. I left on the Friday, got another job on | :19:29. | :19:33. | |
the Monday. the Monday. | :19:33. | :19:38. | |
the Monday. Most were not so lucky. | :19:39. | :19:40. | |
Most were not so lucky. Most were not so lucky. | :19:40. | :19:40. | |
Most were not so lucky. I know lots of lads who never | :19:40. | :19:41. | |
I know lots of lads who never I know lots of lads who never | :19:41. | :19:47. | |
worked again. There was no work here, see? | :19:48. | :19:49. | |
here, see? here, see? | :19:49. | :19:50. | |
here, see? I had to report every week to sign | :19:50. | :19:50. | |
I had to report every week to sign I had to report every week to sign | :19:51. | :19:51. | |
I had to report every week to sign on. I thought, "This is wrong. This | :19:51. | :19:52. | |
on. I thought, "This is wrong. This on. I thought, "This is wrong. This | :19:52. | :19:56. | |
on. I thought, "This is wrong. This can't be happening to me." It was a | :19:56. | :19:57. | |
can't be happening to me." It was a can't be happening to me." It was a | :19:57. | :19:58. | |
can't be happening to me." It was a real low time in my life, having to | :19:58. | :19:59. | |
real low time in my life, having to real low time in my life, having to | :19:59. | :20:01. | |
go there every single week. go there every single week. | :20:01. | :20:02. | |
go there every single week. element creeps through even the | :20:02. | :20:03. | |
element creeps through even the element creeps through even the | :20:03. | :20:06. | |
most stoney hearted receiver's view most stoney hearted receiver's view | :20:06. | :20:07. | |
most stoney hearted receiver's view most stoney hearted receiver's view | :20:07. | :20:08. | |
of life. In that sense we, like of life. In that sense we, like | :20:08. | :20:09. | |
of life. In that sense we, like of life. In that sense we, like | :20:09. | :20:19. | |
:20:19. | :20:22. | ||
everyone else, sell the yard as a everyone else, sell the yard as a | :20:22. | :20:24. | |
everyone else, sell the yard as a going concern. We had Corporation, | :20:24. | :20:25. | |
going concern. We had Corporation, going concern. We had Corporation, | :20:25. | :20:28. | |
going concern. We had Corporation, and be could not find a buyer. -- | :20:28. | :20:31. | |
Corporation. Corporation. | :20:31. | :20:32. | |
Corporation. Everything was auctioned off and | :20:32. | :20:33. | |
Everything was auctioned off and Everything was auctioned off and | :20:33. | :20:33. | |
the yard was mothballed in 1994. the yard was mothballed in 1994. | :20:34. | :20:34. | |
the yard was mothballed in 1994. Eventually a buyer - Dutch | :20:34. | :20:35. | |
Eventually a buyer - Dutch Eventually a buyer - Dutch | :20:35. | :20:36. | |
millionaire Jaap Kreose - came millionaire Jaap Kreose - came | :20:36. | :20:37. | |
forward and shipbuilding continued forward and shipbuilding continued | :20:37. | :20:38. | |
forward and shipbuilding continued forward and shipbuilding continued | :20:38. | :20:39. | |
on the Tyne until 2006. Swan Hunter on the Tyne until 2006. Swan Hunter | :20:39. | :20:40. | |
on the Tyne until 2006. Swan Hunter on the Tyne until 2006. Swan Hunter | :20:40. | :20:41. | |
does still exist, but as a ship does still exist, but as a ship | :20:41. | :20:42. | |
engineering and design company engineering and design company | :20:42. | :20:48. | |
rather than a shipbuilder. rather than a shipbuilder. | :20:48. | :20:49. | |
rather than a shipbuilder. rather than a shipbuilder. | :20:49. | :20:53. | |
I had never been back since into I had never been back since into | :20:53. | :20:54. | |
I had never been back since into I had never been back since into | :20:54. | :20:55. | |
the yard. To see what had been a the yard. To see what had been a | :20:55. | :20:56. | |
thriving industrial centre, thriving industrial centre, | :20:56. | :21:00. | |
employing many many skilled employing many many skilled | :21:00. | :21:01. | |
employing many many skilled people... To see a concrete slab, | :21:01. | :21:03. | |
people... To see a concrete slab, people... To see a concrete slab, | :21:03. | :21:04. | |
it is heartbreaking. All that had it is heartbreaking. All that had | :21:04. | :21:14. | |
:21:14. | :21:17. | ||
Around the same time the Swan Around the same time the Swan | :21:17. | :21:18. | |
Around the same time the Swan Hunter workers were facing hard | :21:18. | :21:19. | |
Hunter workers were facing hard Hunter workers were facing hard | :21:19. | :21:20. | |
times the Premier League kicked off. times the Premier League kicked off. | :21:20. | :21:21. | |
times the Premier League kicked off. times the Premier League kicked off. | :21:21. | :21:22. | |
You probably do not need me to tell You probably do not need me to tell | :21:22. | :21:23. | |
You probably do not need me to tell You probably do not need me to tell | :21:23. | :21:24. | |
you the cost of following your team you the cost of following your team | :21:24. | :21:25. | |
you the cost of following your team has risen far faster than inflation. | :21:25. | :21:26. | |
has risen far faster than inflation. has risen far faster than inflation. | :21:26. | :21:27. | |
has risen far faster than inflation. A ticket to an away game in London | :21:27. | :21:28. | |
A ticket to an away game in London A ticket to an away game in London | :21:28. | :21:29. | |
A ticket to an away game in London can cost up to �62, before you add | :21:29. | :21:30. | |
can cost up to �62, before you add can cost up to �62, before you add | :21:30. | :21:31. | |
can cost up to �62, before you add in the cost of travel. So you might | :21:31. | :21:32. | |
in the cost of travel. So you might in the cost of travel. So you might | :21:32. | :21:33. | |
be rather envious when you hear be rather envious when you hear | :21:33. | :21:34. | |
be rather envious when you hear what Richard Askham has to say | :21:34. | :21:35. | |
what Richard Askham has to say what Richard Askham has to say | :21:35. | :21:36. | |
what Richard Askham has to say about how fans in Germany fare, it | :21:36. | :21:36. | |
about how fans in Germany fare, it about how fans in Germany fare, it | :21:36. | :21:46. | |
:21:46. | :22:00. | ||
Welcome to the Bundesliga. Welcome to the Bundesliga. | :22:00. | :22:01. | |
Welcome to the Bundesliga. More spectators cram into Germany's | :22:01. | :22:02. | |
More spectators cram into Germany's More spectators cram into Germany's | :22:02. | :22:03. | |
vast stadia than in any other vast stadia than in any other | :22:03. | :22:03. | |
vast stadia than in any other football league in the world. | :22:03. | :22:08. | |
Including England. Including England. | :22:08. | :22:09. | |
Including England. Including England. | :22:09. | :22:09. | |
It is important to point out that It is important to point out that | :22:09. | :22:10. | |
It is important to point out that the Bundesliga remains well behind | :22:10. | :22:11. | |
the Bundesliga remains well behind the Bundesliga remains well behind | :22:11. | :22:12. | |
the Premier League financially, and the Premier League financially, and | :22:12. | :22:13. | |
the Premier League financially, and in global popularity. But will its | :22:13. | :22:14. | |
in global popularity. But will its philosophy of maintaining | :22:14. | :22:15. | |
philosophy of maintaining philosophy of maintaining | :22:15. | :22:15. | |
affordable match tickets prove the affordable match tickets prove the | :22:15. | :22:22. | |
affordable match tickets prove the Right from the time the Premier | :22:22. | :22:23. | |
Right from the time the Premier Right from the time the Premier | :22:23. | :22:24. | |
League was formed in 1992, fans League was formed in 1992, fans | :22:24. | :22:24. | |
League was formed in 1992, fans have grumbled about rising ticket | :22:24. | :22:25. | |
have grumbled about rising ticket have grumbled about rising ticket | :22:25. | :22:26. | |
prices. Yet they have always paid prices. Yet they have always paid | :22:26. | :22:33. | |
up in the end. up in the end. | :22:33. | :22:34. | |
up in the end. But last month, Manchester City | :22:34. | :22:35. | |
But last month, Manchester City But last month, Manchester City | :22:35. | :22:36. | |
But last month, Manchester City fans made what could turn out to be | :22:36. | :22:38. | |
fans made what could turn out to be fans made what could turn out to be | :22:38. | :22:39. | |
a significant gesture. Almost a a significant gesture. Almost a | :22:39. | :22:39. | |
a significant gesture. Almost a third of their ticket allocation | :22:39. | :22:40. | |
third of their ticket allocation third of their ticket allocation | :22:40. | :22:42. | |
for their game at Arsenal went for their game at Arsenal went | :22:42. | :22:43. | |
for their game at Arsenal went unsold. By refusal to fork out, | :22:43. | :22:44. | |
unsold. By refusal to fork out, unsold. By refusal to fork out, | :22:44. | :22:45. | |
unsold. By refusal to fork out, City fans were sending a message to | :22:45. | :22:46. | |
City fans were sending a message to City fans were sending a message to | :22:46. | :22:55. | |
the Premier League. Actually 62 of the Premier League. Actually 62 of | :22:55. | :22:56. | |
the Premier League. Actually 62 of the Premier League. Actually 62 of | :22:56. | :22:57. | |
them. A lot of people say that them. A lot of people say that | :22:57. | :22:59. | |
them. A lot of people say that them. A lot of people say that | :22:59. | :23:00. | |
empty seats will hit the clubs more empty seats will hit the clubs more | :23:00. | :23:01. | |
empty seats will hit the clubs more empty seats will hit the clubs more | :23:01. | :23:03. | |
in the pocket. But from a pack -- in the pocket. But from a pack -- | :23:03. | :23:04. | |
in the pocket. But from a pack -- in the pocket. But from a pack -- | :23:04. | :23:05. | |
from a fan's point of you, why from a fan's point of you, why | :23:05. | :23:06. | |
from a fan's point of you, why should we be driven away? | :23:06. | :23:07. | |
should we be driven away? should we be driven away? | :23:07. | :23:08. | |
should we be driven away? And fans of other clubs agree with | :23:08. | :23:13. | |
And fans of other clubs agree with And fans of other clubs agree with | :23:13. | :23:14. | |
And fans of other clubs agree with Richard. You used to pay �10 and | :23:14. | :23:16. | |
Richard. You used to pay �10 and Richard. You used to pay �10 and | :23:16. | :23:17. | |
Richard. You used to pay �10 and that was plenty. It is the working | :23:17. | :23:17. | |
that was plenty. It is the working that was plenty. It is the working | :23:17. | :23:18. | |
that was plenty. It is the working man's game but now I feel the | :23:18. | :23:20. | |
man's game but now I feel the man's game but now I feel the | :23:20. | :23:21. | |
working man is being squeezed out working man is being squeezed out | :23:21. | :23:23. | |
working man is being squeezed out working man is being squeezed out | :23:23. | :23:24. | |
working man is being squeezed out of it. A lot of people refuse to go | :23:24. | :23:25. | |
of it. A lot of people refuse to go of it. A lot of people refuse to go | :23:25. | :23:26. | |
of it. A lot of people refuse to go to Tottenham. A lot refused to go | :23:26. | :23:28. | |
to Tottenham. A lot refused to go to Tottenham. A lot refused to go | :23:28. | :23:30. | |
to Tottenham. A lot refused to go to Arsenal. And Chelsea as well. It | :23:30. | :23:31. | |
to Arsenal. And Chelsea as well. It to Arsenal. And Chelsea as well. It | :23:31. | :23:32. | |
is because of the ticket pricing. is because of the ticket pricing. | :23:32. | :23:35. | |
is because of the ticket pricing. is because of the ticket pricing. | :23:36. | :23:36. | |
It is a disgrace. But there are It is a disgrace. But there are | :23:36. | :23:37. | |
It is a disgrace. But there are supporters who will go no matter | :23:37. | :23:43. | |
what. what. | :23:43. | :23:44. | |
what. Mark Palios is the former Chief | :23:44. | :23:45. | |
Mark Palios is the former Chief Executive of the Football | :23:45. | :23:46. | |
Executive of the Football Executive of the Football | :23:46. | :23:47. | |
Association. He has witnessed the Association. He has witnessed the | :23:47. | :23:47. | |
Association. He has witnessed the business of football from many | :23:47. | :23:48. | |
business of football from many business of football from many | :23:48. | :23:49. | |
angles, having played 17 seasons angles, having played 17 seasons | :23:49. | :23:50. | |
angles, having played 17 seasons for Tranmere before becoming a | :23:50. | :23:51. | |
for Tranmere before becoming a for Tranmere before becoming a | :23:51. | :23:52. | |
for Tranmere before becoming a senior Partner at a leading firm of | :23:52. | :23:57. | |
senior Partner at a leading firm of senior Partner at a leading firm of | :23:57. | :23:58. | |
accountants. At tickets and the accountants. At tickets and the | :23:58. | :24:01. | |
accountants. At tickets and the accountants. At tickets and the | :24:01. | :24:01. | |
Premier League to hide? It is an Premier League to hide? It is an | :24:02. | :24:04. | |
Premier League to hide? It is an inescapable conclusion to me. There | :24:04. | :24:05. | |
inescapable conclusion to me. There inescapable conclusion to me. There | :24:05. | :24:06. | |
inescapable conclusion to me. There inescapable conclusion to me. There | :24:06. | :24:07. | |
has to be a limit as to where you has to be a limit as to where you | :24:07. | :24:08. | |
has to be a limit as to where you has to be a limit as to where you | :24:08. | :24:09. | |
has to be a limit as to where you get to. If you look at it and you | :24:09. | :24:10. | |
get to. If you look at it and you get to. If you look at it and you | :24:10. | :24:11. | |
get to. If you look at it and you start to add on travel costs as | :24:11. | :24:13. | |
start to add on travel costs as start to add on travel costs as | :24:14. | :24:15. | |
well, then as a piece of well, then as a piece of | :24:15. | :24:17. | |
well, then as a piece of entertainment for a father with a | :24:17. | :24:18. | |
entertainment for a father with a entertainment for a father with a | :24:18. | :24:19. | |
few kids, you're starting to struggle. | :24:19. | :24:20. | |
struggle. struggle. | :24:20. | :24:21. | |
One former player, who has played One former player, who has played | :24:21. | :24:23. | |
One former player, who has played One former player, who has played | :24:23. | :24:24. | |
at the very top in both England and at the very top in both England and | :24:24. | :24:24. | |
at the very top in both England and at the very top in both England and | :24:25. | :24:25. | |
in Germany, comes down on the side in Germany, comes down on the side | :24:25. | :24:31. | |
in Germany, comes down on the side of hard-pressed supporters. It is | :24:31. | :24:32. | |
of hard-pressed supporters. It is of hard-pressed supporters. It is | :24:32. | :24:33. | |
not just the ticket prices, you not just the ticket prices, you | :24:34. | :24:35. | |
not just the ticket prices, you not just the ticket prices, you | :24:35. | :24:38. | |
have to get down to London as well. have to get down to London as well. | :24:38. | :24:41. | |
have to get down to London as well. And then you're talking about �150 | :24:41. | :24:44. | |
And then you're talking about �150 And then you're talking about �150 | :24:44. | :24:46. | |
And then you're talking about �150 for an away game. I could have a | :24:46. | :24:47. | |
for an away game. I could have a for an away game. I could have a | :24:47. | :24:48. | |
weekend break in Europe for that weekend break in Europe for that | :24:48. | :24:55. | |
Here in Germany, things could Here in Germany, things could | :24:55. | :24:56. | |
Here in Germany, things could hardly be more different. This is | :24:56. | :24:56. | |
hardly be more different. This is hardly be more different. This is | :24:56. | :24:59. | |
Hannover in the German state of Hannover in the German state of | :24:59. | :25:00. | |
Hannover in the German state of Lower Saxony. Tonight the local | :25:00. | :25:01. | |
Lower Saxony. Tonight the local Lower Saxony. Tonight the local | :25:01. | :25:02. | |
team Hannover 96 are playing in team Hannover 96 are playing in | :25:02. | :25:03. | |
Germany's top league, the Germany's top league, the | :25:03. | :25:04. | |
Germany's top league, the Bundesliga. It is 128 kilometres | :25:04. | :25:05. | |
Bundesliga. It is 128 kilometres Bundesliga. It is 128 kilometres | :25:05. | :25:06. | |
away to Bremen. Quite a distance, away to Bremen. Quite a distance, | :25:06. | :25:07. | |
away to Bremen. Quite a distance, away to Bremen. Quite a distance, | :25:07. | :25:08. | |
away to Bremen. Quite a distance, but it is not a problem for me, or | :25:08. | :25:09. | |
but it is not a problem for me, or but it is not a problem for me, or | :25:09. | :25:12. | |
at least not an expensive one. at least not an expensive one. | :25:12. | :25:13. | |
at least not an expensive one. Because here in Germany my travel | :25:13. | :25:14. | |
Because here in Germany my travel Because here in Germany my travel | :25:14. | :25:15. | |
on public transport in the local on public transport in the local | :25:15. | :25:16. | |
on public transport in the local state comes free with my match | :25:16. | :25:17. | |
state comes free with my match state comes free with my match | :25:17. | :25:18. | |
ticket. In other words, this match ticket. In other words, this match | :25:18. | :25:19. | |
ticket. In other words, this match ticket. In other words, this match | :25:19. | :25:21. | |
ticket doubles up as part of my ticket doubles up as part of my | :25:21. | :25:22. | |
ticket doubles up as part of my ticket doubles up as part of my | :25:22. | :25:25. | |
rail ticket. I will see you at the other end. | :25:25. | :25:26. | |
other end. other end. | :25:26. | :25:27. | |
other end. other end. | :25:27. | :25:28. | |
And when I get to Bremen I can also And when I get to Bremen I can also | :25:28. | :25:29. | |
And when I get to Bremen I can also use my football ticket for all | :25:29. | :25:30. | |
use my football ticket for all use my football ticket for all | :25:30. | :25:31. | |
local public transport, such as local public transport, such as | :25:31. | :25:41. | |
:25:41. | :25:42. | ||
local public transport, such as buses and trams to the stadium. | :25:42. | :25:43. | |
buses and trams to the stadium. buses and trams to the stadium. | :25:43. | :25:45. | |
There seems to be a different There seems to be a different | :25:45. | :25:47. | |
philosophy year. There are philosophy year. There are | :25:47. | :25:48. | |
philosophy year. There are affordable prices for almost every | :25:48. | :25:52. | |
affordable prices for almost every affordable prices for almost every | :25:52. | :25:55. | |
affordable prices for almost every bit a. This ticket cost me 19 euros. | :25:55. | :25:56. | |
bit a. This ticket cost me 19 euros. bit a. This ticket cost me 19 euros. | :25:56. | :25:57. | |
bit a. This ticket cost me 19 euros. It is for a standing position but I | :25:57. | :25:57. | |
It is for a standing position but I It is for a standing position but I | :25:58. | :25:59. | |
could have sat down for the could have sat down for the | :25:59. | :26:02. | |
could have sat down for the equivalent of about �25. How much | :26:02. | :26:03. | |
equivalent of about �25. How much equivalent of about �25. How much | :26:03. | :26:06. | |
equivalent of about �25. How much do you pay for your ticket? I paid | :26:06. | :26:11. | |
do you pay for your ticket? I paid do you pay for your ticket? I paid | :26:11. | :26:14. | |
do you pay for your ticket? I paid 30 euros. 13 euros?Yes. A 13. It | :26:14. | :26:14. | |
30 euros. 13 euros?Yes. A 13. It 30 euros. 13 euros?Yes. A 13. It | :26:15. | :26:24. | |
is a little bit expensive. kidding? | :26:24. | :26:25. | |
kidding? kidding? | :26:25. | :26:26. | |
The north of England is where The north of England is where | :26:27. | :26:27. | |
The north of England is where professional football began. It was | :26:27. | :26:28. | |
professional football began. It was professional football began. It was | :26:28. | :26:29. | |
the sport for the masses. Something the sport for the masses. Something | :26:29. | :26:30. | |
the sport for the masses. Something the sport for the masses. Something | :26:30. | :26:31. | |
that most working men, and it was that most working men, and it was | :26:31. | :26:32. | |
that most working men, and it was that most working men, and it was | :26:32. | :26:33. | |
mostly men, could afford to go and mostly men, could afford to go and | :26:33. | :26:34. | |
mostly men, could afford to go and mostly men, could afford to go and | :26:34. | :26:34. | |
watch. But that is a very different watch. But that is a very different | :26:35. | :26:35. | |
watch. But that is a very different era. Today, the beautiful game | :26:35. | :26:36. | |
era. Today, the beautiful game era. Today, the beautiful game | :26:36. | :26:41. | |
stands accused of charging ugly prices. | :26:41. | :26:42. | |
prices. prices. | :26:42. | :26:43. | |
Till the 1990s, watching football Till the 1990s, watching football | :26:43. | :26:44. | |
Till the 1990s, watching football was a relatively cheap past-time. | :26:44. | :26:44. | |
was a relatively cheap past-time. was a relatively cheap past-time. | :26:45. | :26:45. | |
For decades, prices had kept pace For decades, prices had kept pace | :26:45. | :26:46. | |
For decades, prices had kept pace with inflation. But the low prices | :26:47. | :26:47. | |
with inflation. But the low prices with inflation. But the low prices | :26:48. | :26:48. | |
charged to fans for watching charged to fans for watching | :26:48. | :26:52. | |
charged to fans for watching football had its own cost. | :26:52. | :26:53. | |
football had its own cost. football had its own cost. | :26:53. | :26:54. | |
Stadiums became decrepit, which was Stadiums became decrepit, which was | :26:54. | :26:55. | |
Stadiums became decrepit, which was most brutally exposed in the | :26:55. | :26:56. | |
most brutally exposed in the most brutally exposed in the | :26:56. | :27:00. | |
disasters at Valley Parade and Hillsborough. | :27:00. | :27:01. | |
Hillsborough. Hillsborough. | :27:01. | :27:02. | |
The Taylor report that followed The Taylor report that followed | :27:02. | :27:03. | |
Hillsborough recommended all-seater Hillsborough recommended all-seater | :27:03. | :27:06. | |
Hillsborough recommended all-seater stadiums for safety reasons. It | :27:06. | :27:07. | |
stadiums for safety reasons. It stadiums for safety reasons. It | :27:07. | :27:08. | |
also suggested fans be charged �6 also suggested fans be charged �6 | :27:08. | :27:11. | |
also suggested fans be charged �6 also suggested fans be charged �6 | :27:11. | :27:12. | |
to sit down. In today's money that to sit down. In today's money that | :27:12. | :27:18. | |
is less than �13. is less than �13. | :27:18. | :27:19. | |
is less than �13. We could have picked any Premier | :27:19. | :27:20. | |
We could have picked any Premier We could have picked any Premier | :27:20. | :27:21. | |
League ground in England and the League ground in England and the | :27:21. | :27:22. | |
League ground in England and the League ground in England and the | :27:22. | :27:23. | |
story would be similar. Here at Old story would be similar. Here at Old | :27:23. | :27:24. | |
story would be similar. Here at Old Trafford in 1960, you could stand | :27:24. | :27:25. | |
Trafford in 1960, you could stand Trafford in 1960, you could stand | :27:25. | :27:26. | |
on the Stretford End for 3 on the Stretford End for 3 | :27:26. | :27:29. | |
on the Stretford End for 3 shillings and sixpence. That is | :27:29. | :27:30. | |
shillings and sixpence. That is shillings and sixpence. That is | :27:30. | :27:31. | |
about �3.20 in today's money. These about �3.20 in today's money. These | :27:31. | :27:32. | |
about �3.20 in today's money. These days the cheapest seat at Old | :27:32. | :27:33. | |
days the cheapest seat at Old days the cheapest seat at Old | :27:33. | :27:34. | |
Trafford is �42. Allowing for Trafford is �42. Allowing for | :27:34. | :27:35. | |
Trafford is �42. Allowing for inflation, that is �29 more than | :27:35. | :27:41. | |
inflation, that is �29 more than Lord Taylor recommended. | :27:41. | :27:42. | |
Lord Taylor recommended. Lord Taylor recommended. | :27:42. | :27:43. | |
We requested an interview with the We requested an interview with the | :27:43. | :27:44. | |
Chief Executive Premier League, Chief Executive Premier League, | :27:44. | :27:44. | |
Chief Executive Premier League, Richard Scudamore, but he declined. | :27:44. | :27:45. | |
Richard Scudamore, but he declined. Richard Scudamore, but he declined. | :27:45. | :27:46. | |
Richard Scudamore, but he declined. But he did tell BBC radio last | :27:46. | :27:47. | |
But he did tell BBC radio last But he did tell BBC radio last | :27:47. | :27:48. | |
month that the protest by month that the protest by | :27:48. | :27:49. | |
month that the protest by Manchester City fans had not gone | :27:49. | :27:59. | |
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The Premier League prides itself on The Premier League prides itself on | :28:15. | :28:16. | |
The Premier League prides itself on The Premier League prides itself on | :28:16. | :28:17. | |
the atmosphere, but I have to say the atmosphere, but I have to say | :28:17. | :28:18. | |
the atmosphere, but I have to say that here inside the Weserstadion | :28:18. | :28:19. | |
that here inside the Weserstadion that here inside the Weserstadion | :28:19. | :28:20. | |
in Bremen is sensational. The in Bremen is sensational. The | :28:20. | :28:20. | |
weather's the same, mind. weather's the same, mind. | :28:21. | :28:21. | |
weather's the same, mind. Weather aside, the Bundesliga and | :28:21. | :28:22. | |
Weather aside, the Bundesliga and Weather aside, the Bundesliga and | :28:22. | :28:23. | |
the Premier League have much in the Premier League have much in | :28:23. | :28:24. | |
the Premier League have much in common. Where they differ currently | :28:24. | :28:25. | |
common. Where they differ currently common. Where they differ currently | :28:25. | :28:26. | |
is over their ticket price is over their ticket price | :28:26. | :28:26. | |
is over their ticket price philosophy. But with political and | :28:27. | :28:28. | |
philosophy. But with political and philosophy. But with political and | :28:28. | :28:28. | |
fan pressure growing in England, fan pressure growing in England, | :28:28. | :28:29. | |
fan pressure growing in England, the Manchester City protest may | :28:29. | :28:30. | |
the Manchester City protest may the Manchester City protest may | :28:30. | :28:36. | |
the Manchester City protest may So what price loyalty? If you have | :28:36. | :28:37. | |
So what price loyalty? If you have So what price loyalty? If you have | :28:37. | :28:38. | |
So what price loyalty? If you have view on the cost of following your | :28:38. | :28:39. | |
view on the cost of following your view on the cost of following your | :28:39. | :28:40. | |
team, you can let me know. team, you can let me know. | :28:40. | :28:41. | |
team, you can let me know. team, you can let me know. | :28:41. | :28:46. | |
That is it for tonight. Next week: That is it for tonight. Next week: | :28:46. | :28:47. |