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Good evening and welcome to this evening's edition of Inside Out

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North West. This week, we are in Liverpool. We will be looking at

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amazing photographs of the damage inflicted on the city. Tonight,

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amazing photographs of the damage go in search of illegal poachers on

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our rivers. It is billions over go in search of illegal poachers on

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years over time. Should the company cleaning Sellafield be kept on the

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job got a Mac on the job —— on the job? It is pure chance that these

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Fishing is one of the most popular everybody pays the law. There has

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been a rise in the number of people who steal cash. It may look like a

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scene from a Vietnamese war film but it in fact is the River Mersey,

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scene from a Vietnamese war film but Fisheries patrol. The fisheries

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enforcement officers on this boat are looking out for signs of illegal

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fishing on a stretch of water which is popular with river poachers.

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fishing on a stretch of water which it looks like they may have found

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what they were looking for. A rope attached to the canisters floating

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suspiciously like there could be an beneath the water. On this occasion

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the object turns out to be a device put into the river to measure water

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quality. But it's not long before the patrol comes across evidence

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that someone has been illegally fishing in the area. They're looking

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on the bank because it's an area we haven't seen anybody fishing before

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and it's very difficult to get to, so it's either somebody who knows

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it's good fishing and worth the effort to get here, the fishing

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it's good fishing and worth the illegal because there's no fishing

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somebody who doesn't want to be illegal because there's no fishing

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by anybody doing what they are doing. So the officer on the bank

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has just been having a look to see if there are any signs of fishing

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tackle, fishing line, the kinds if there are any signs of fishing

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stuff that an angler might leave behind if they've not tidied up

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properly or evidence of somebody using illegal methods so little

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properly or evidence of somebody of twine rather than fishing line

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could be used to tie a gill net of twine rather than fishing line

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because this is one of the areas where we've had people poaching

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before. The fisheries officers have powers of arrest but catching the

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poachers in the act is a lot harder. Steve Powell is the man whose job it

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is to protect the region's rivers and lakes from the poachers. How big

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England? Fish poaching is a massive concern for the Environment Agency.

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industry and the revenue that those approximately £12 to £14—million a

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year. And then you have a sea trout run on top of that which is worth

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another eight million pounds a year. So financially there's a lot of

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value in the fish that run these river as well as the environmental

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value of having these fish here river as well as the environmental

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the first place. How are people catching these fish? What methods

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are illegal? There are a wide range of different methods from set lines

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with gill nets. There's a wide range of different methods; anything from

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setting illegal nets, setting fish traps or setting lines, bated lines

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in the water that fish passively, catch fish and they will return

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in the water that fish passively, take those fish. In the UK there are

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limits to the numbers of fish you are allowed to take but illegal

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limits to the numbers of fish you like these can very quickly empty a

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river of its entire fishing stock. It's something that upsets fishermen

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like David Hunt who obey the law. You know I've been fishing now close

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to 40 years and I haven't. What You know I've been fishing now close

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would say is that I've never seen anything like that but it's becoming

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apparent over the last two or three years that we're finding more and

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more cases of illegal fishing, people fishing without rod licence,

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people fishing for what is termed as 'the pot', fishing for fish that

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they're simply going to catch, no matter what size, to take home to

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eat. That's become more and more evident as the last few years have

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progressed. You didn't use to see that ten years ago, maybe not five

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years ago, certainly not but within the last two or three years there

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has been than fish kills for no other reason than to feed people.

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Very difficult to detect. This must yourself, honest fishermen? It is

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because we're paddling up and down and we're casting and we're enjoying

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the environment, the swans, the kingfishers, the otters and all

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the environment, the swans, the wildlife that is here and has been

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encouraged to flourish because this water that we're on at the moment is

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in the top five improved from a quality point of view, waters in the

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last two years, that's fact. So quality point of view, waters in the

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happens is the water gets better, the fish stocks get better, the

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wildlife surrounding it gets better and everybody's happy and as long as

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you are catching fish for pleasure continues, there's no problem. He

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and a friend discovered just how serious a problem it is when they

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went fishing on the River Mersey near Warrington earlier this year.

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Well it was a January day and me and my friend George, he's my fishing

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partner if you like, decided we should get out on the river for

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partner if you like, decided we few hours just to see what we could

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expectation really. They had in few hours just to see what we could

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stumbled across an illegal fishing net which had been submerged under

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poachers. I was on scene within net which had been submerged under

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minutes and at that point where net which had been submerged under

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met the anglers the net was on the river bank where they'd recovered

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the net to the river bank. There was still fish in it. The anglers had

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thought were still alive, back to the river, but some of the fish

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thought were still alive, back to were still stuck in the net which

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signings of life. So began a two—day surveillance operation mounted by

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the Environment Agency in the hope that those responsible for setting

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the nets would return to collect them. After probably three or four

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hours of being in the observation point I was actually watching across

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the confluence to where the nets were set and basically a figure

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the confluence to where the nets down in a dinghy on the right bank

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that we were located on, literally 15 to 20 metres from our location.

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basically slowly came down the side of the bank and I gave the call

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basically slowly came down the side the radio that 'Charlie One' was on

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I could see a large splash as they ran through the undergrowth. You are

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under arrest for suspicious illegal containing the nets. They had made

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an attempt to conceal the article from us. The poachers, Gintaras

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Valiukonis and Arturas Bulota, appeared at Warrington Magistrates'

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Court in July where they were fined a total of £710 for illegal fishing.

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It's believed the pair, who are a total of £710 for illegal fishing.

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distribute the fish within the Manchester. The problem of some

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Eastern Europeans fishing illegal Environment Agency has launched

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Eastern Europeans fishing illegal campaign to try and discourage this

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practice. Fishing is a very popular sport in Eastern Europe but the

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practice. Fishing is a very popular are very different to here. So the

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Environment Agency has joined forces Association and the Angling Trust to

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community. Polish angler Radoslav Papiewski has been helping to get

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tensions. It is normal back at home that it is illegal here. We asked if

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there was something we could do together. What is the difference in

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laws between both countries? Well the main difference is that in

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Eastern European countries and pretty much all over Europe you

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Eastern European countries and actually remove fish for food. If

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you look back through history fish was always removed from the water

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generations have been doing it. We've got different regulations

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generations have been doing it. in Poland because we've got certain

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sizes of fish which we have got in Poland because we've got certain

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return back into the water. So some especially when they are a good

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return back into the water. So some to lay the eggs, however if they

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reach a minimum size we can actually remove them and take them and eat

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them. In UK there is a different by—laws which is not allowing people

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to take fish out of the water. And multi—lingual leaflets, and I have

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one with me which explains the basic rules of fishing in the UK and it's

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been translated into different languages and these are probably the

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migrant workers. But for those who still flout the law the fisheries

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patrol will continue to police our environment from the poachers.

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Coming up, how the impact of the Blitz is still felt today. Ships

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were not anchored here because of currently spending billions of

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pounds to make safe the nuclear Cumbria. Should the government

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watchdog allowed the contract to run or look at somebody else to take

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over this complex operation will stop it has weeks to decide. For the

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first time in British television, Chris Jack and that Chris Jackson

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Sellafield in West Cumbria. Once it was a bomb factory, then there was a

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very public world first. It gives me pride that I now open this power

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station. In 2013, it is a place military and industrial history

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means there's more nuclear waste stored here than anywhere else in

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the UK. This site is one of the stored here than anywhere else in

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complex and hazardous in the world. Security, as you'd expect is tight

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here, it's taken me months to gain access. This is the most dangerous

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and oldest part of Sellafield. The top priority is to make these ponds

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People may not think this is a big task because you cannot see the

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problem here, can you? It is a massive task because the stuff is

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still active so it needs to be handled with the respect and care it

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deserves. It's the first time a British TV crew has been a granted

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Under the water we have got lots of materials from the early nuclear

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facility safe by removing that fuel in a safe manner. There's only

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limited historic plans to help Tony and his team clear these potentially

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lethal ponds, a legacy of the speed constructed. So it's left to Tony to

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untangle this dangerous part of constructed. So it's left to Tony to

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industrial history. Decommissioning was not considered at the time so

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that's given us a massive challenge on how to do it safely and in the

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environment, and we've got it in an aging facility. This was the first

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in the country and we have done aging facility. This was the first

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in a very tight time scale. In a couple of years, we had the pile

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reactors built, commissioned and operational. You could not do that

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today? No, the rigor we have to operational. You could not do that

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through to develop the safety cases alone like this would take a lot

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longer than that. It must be strange though, the decommissioning on this

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site will not be finished in your or my lifetime? The site itself you are

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probably talking 100 years or so, all I can do in my lifetime is

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ensure we do this particular area safely. The scale of the project is

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billion to clean up Sellafield. safely. The scale of the project is

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£67.5bn. That's more than Tunisia's economy produces in a year. In

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£67.5bn. That's more than Tunisia's Authority, the NDA, appointed three

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companies to tackle the hazardous clean up. Areva, AMEC and URS. They

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make up Nuclear Management Partners, NMP, and their subsidiary Sellafield

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Ltd. Their contract is reviewed every five years. So how is it

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going? Of the 14 major projects every five years. So how is it

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the go here 12 have delivered less than planned. Deadlines have been

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missed, meaning buildings remain projects are already over budget, in

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million. And in some cases, the deadline has had to be extended

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million. And in some cases, the some seven years. And it's problems

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stinging criticism and cast an unwelcome spotlight on the work

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being done here. When an influential they blamed poor management for

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totally unacceptable delays and described the position as dire.

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I accept dealing with nuclear waste is a pretty unique problem and we

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want to make sure in this particular very difficult hugely important

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project that the people involved are tax—payers money to best value. So

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how does Nuclear Management Partners answer that? We're on track to meet

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the min performance standards, we're £1—billion of savings we've achieved

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the best safety record Sellafield as records have started it is my belief

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we are on track, and we've earned the right for next five years. But

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one project was £600 million over. That cannot be put down to we didn't

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know what we were dealing with. That cannot be put down to we didn't

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complicated nature of what you were doing? The increase in cost was

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really where we took n very early estimate and understood the nature

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of the project we built in a large contingency, like in the Olympics.

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It does not feel like a good news story and we take the issue very

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seriously but this is about maturing and understanding the issues as

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seriously but this is about maturing have seen on site. There are a lot

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of unknowns we have to deal with. Yes, but the taxpayer will have

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of unknowns we have to deal with. taxpayer as well. We do things as

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effectively and efficiently as possible at Sellafield. Back on

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site, my tour continues. How big is this project? It's a massive project

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for the site. The site itself is six—square kilometres in total size.

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It's one of the most congested industrial facilities in the world.

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Chris is leading a team who are dismantling a building, just like an

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old grain storage silo. But it's full of nuclear waste. And it's

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old grain storage silo. But it's working site trying to do all this?

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It's a working site. It's like a small town and there are possibly

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10,000 people who work on a daily basis. 38 kilometres of roads even.

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It's a huge challenge in a very tight space. You are having to put a

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building within a building. You tight space. You are having to put a

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effectively? We do, yes. We take the waste out, we have to make sure

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effectively? We do, yes. We take the contained to protect the operators

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and the environment and that is contained to protect the operators

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decommissioning it often involves construction activities, treatment

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plants, which ultimately have to be decommissioned. Here they're testing

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the robots that will play a part in removing the most hazardous waste.

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On this particular silo, because it's dry we are actually using an

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arrangement where we cut a hole literally in the side of the silos

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and using remote machines to grab containers that are shielded from

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the radioactivity and then grouted and stored. At the end of this month

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Authority has to decide whether and stored. At the end of this month

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let Sellafield Ltd continue for another five years or find someone

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else. The contract negotiations another five years or find someone

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now at a critical phase — not helped by a recent expenses scandal. NMP

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executives claimed thousands of pounds for dinners abroad, golf

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trips and in one case a £715 taxi ride for an unnamed manager and

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trips and in one case a £715 taxi The money has now been repaid. This

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committee's grilling of the team in charge raised serious questions

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about the 11 million pound salary bill for just 16 executives. I did

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it on 11 averages at 690,000 per secretary in there. It sounds like a

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lot of money at the top. The 11 salaries that get paid it refers,

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but to the overall package of having people here in West Cumbria and

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working at Sellafield so we are people here in West Cumbria and

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paying those level of salaries the salaries we pay reflect the industry

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norms. And it's the top man at the government watchdog, the Nuclear

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Decommissioning Authority, who will decide if the current operators

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Decommissioning Authority, who will million so far. Did they deserve

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that fee for the job they did? Yes, the fee they have been paid is

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contract we have with them. The the fee they have been paid is

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the fee was down last year compared to the year before reflects the

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the fee was down last year compared that performance was down — so I

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think we can demonstrate that fee is linked to performance. So it is

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think we can demonstrate that fee is a reward for failure then? I do

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think we can demonstrate that fee is believe so. They have done the job

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they have done and they do not get rewarded if they do not do it.

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There has also been criticism of the NDA, for whether the oversight has

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been good enough, do you think there organisation about this? I would not

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suggest we've been perfect but I think we have been doing all we

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suggest we've been perfect but I to make sure we can have the right

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level of oversight, but where we've identified issues that have been

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unsatisfactory we've taken very strong firm appropriate action,

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unsatisfactory we've taken very we stand ready to do that as we

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unsatisfactory we've taken very forward. We have seen how complex

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and expensive the clean—up is. But it cannot be avoided. Britain needs

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to sort out its nuclear legacy. it cannot be avoided. Britain needs

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will now in a few weeks whether it cannot be avoided. Britain needs

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people who have embarked on it will be entrusted to finish the job.

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During World War II, Liverpool came under extensive air raid attacks,

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beautiful house lost most of its glass when a bomb landed a short

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away. Simon O'Brien has been to glass when a bomb landed a short

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a remarkable collection of photos of bomb damaged suburbia — discovered

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hidden away in the city's police headquarters. My street in Liverpool

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is made up largely of old Victorian and Georgian houses and every now

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and again as I stroll up it, I come across gaps where there are much

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newer places and I've often wondered archive has just been uncovered

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Many of us remember the days of archive has just been uncovered

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and 1941 when the Luftwaffe nightly visited our cities and towns leaving

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Liverpool heard the fearful air visited our cities and towns leaving

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sirens over 500 times with bombs dropped on the city on no less than

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79 occasions. But we wouldn't have known much more about the impact

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Liverpool if Merseyside Police hadn't made a remarkable discovery,

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labelled "Blitz". There are 161 photographs in total. Kate McNichol

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negatives brought into the modern world by their forensic science

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It's pure chance that they came light. The chief constable was maybe

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rather far sighted and saying, actually we need to keep an accurate

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record of what's happening. I mean you'll get ones like this which

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said, there you go: Air raid damage, the chief constable. Didn't they

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also record where the bomb was struck? They did. It was up to the

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air raid wardens as far as I know. They would then report in and the

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positions of the bombs would be plotted. And then they could then

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take action against the ones that had failed to explode. Yes, it's

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almost easier to imagine the docks and factories getting attacked as

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they are strategic targets. But and factories getting attacked as

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photos that really hit me are the ones of suburbia. The damage was not

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commercial buildings. You get things saying that there was destruction of

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4,400 homes, serious damage to a further 16,500 and slight damage to

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a further 45,500. For the first further 16,500 and slight damage to

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in a great war, there was no front line and the battle was waged on our

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own doorsteps. The Luftwaffe did its Firefighters battled relentlessly

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through the night to extinguish hundreds of fires around the city

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before the next fearful wave of attack. Although the German bombers

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caused huge civilian casualties across the city and destroyed many

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homes, actually they missed quite a few key targets so Liverpool was

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they had hit here, things could few key targets so Liverpool was

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been much worse. I think it's a reflection of the ability of the

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aeroplanes and the crews in those days to be precise with their attack

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and to be precise where the bombs landed was not anything like the

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well, let's see what we can manage. That said, it was still desperately

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Ullapool was blown into a million pieces here, in the River Mersey. It

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still has an impact on shipping today. So ships will not anchor

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still has an impact on shipping here because of what happened in the

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wasn't a big ship, but the pieces are dangerous, if you drop your

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anchor here, obviously it goes into the mud and sand and so on. It could

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come back with munitions that are not exploded. I'm a massive fan

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come back with munitions that are Look at that lovely building there

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behind me and yet here in Derby Square in the heart of the city

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where sits the gorgeous Victoria Monument, there is a distinct lack

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of it. Look over here. What's that? '50s? Nothing to write home about.

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And then on the other side of the square you've got the law courts

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themselves. How ugly does a building have to be? And finally running

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you've got this '70s carbuncle. Merseyside Police negatives give a

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new insight into the gaps left by Luftwaffe air raids. There's the

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same mix of old and new build where my Dad grew up in Toxteth as in

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Woolton. The first one came down, just over the houses there into

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Woolton. The first one came down, Street and that was the closest

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Woolton. The first one came down, to us. The second one, this is Fox

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Hill Street and the second one was just 30 yards down there. Then a

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third one, Kelvin Grove and the fourth one hit the edge of Princes

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Park. And where are you at this point, are you in the air raid

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shelter? We're in the air raid shelter But you can hear, could

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shelter? We're in the air raid tell how close they are? Oh yes

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very, when that one came down it was quite a screaming sound, whistling,

:25:52.:25:55.

screaming sound as the bomb came down and a really loud explosion and

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it was a sort of a whack and you felt the blast hit your ears like

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that. Were you terrified? No, not at all, I wasn't frightened at all

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that. Were you terrified? No, not at an eight year old child, it was

:26:07.:26:09.

that. Were you terrified? No, not at bit of an adventure actually. During

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shrapnel was coming down, shrapnel from bombs and this was all over the

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shrapnel. Our anti—aircraft Gunners went into action. In the chaos of

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war as the bombers just wanted to unload their payload as close to the

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targets as possible and get out unload their payload as close to the

:26:28.:26:31.

here, no building was safe from unload their payload as close to the

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bombing and that included churches. St Luke's here in Liverpool city

:26:33.:26:37.

centre looks like it had a lucky deceptive. The building was hit

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centre looks like it had a lucky an incendiary device on the evening

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around about midnight, 1941. We interviewed a lady some years ago

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sheltering in her cellars just behind the church on Roscoe street

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and about half past three, four o'clock in the morning they heard

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the bells fall from the tower and to quote her she said "We knew then our

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church was gone". And that must quote her she said "We knew then our

:27:02.:27:07.

have been awful. But it wasn't quite gone? Not quite gone. It's the

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Liverpool who lost their lives during the blitz. St Luke's was

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Liverpool who lost their lives the only church hit but is in my

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reminder with its one remaining piece of stained glass and open

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Looking at these photographs we understand more about the changes in

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recorded as moments in history due to the foresight of people working

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at Merseyside Police during World War II. For somebody who didn't

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at Merseyside Police during World through that era, I think it is

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almost impossible to imagine what it must have been like. Perhaps in

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almost impossible to imagine what it small way, these photographs help to

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bring it back to life. Remarkable photos. That is it for this week.

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Don't forget you can watch it again on the BBC iPlayer. Goodbye full up

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—— goodbye. Next week, Wilfred Owen and his life in Birkenhead. It hotly

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