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Hello and welcome to Inside Out North West. Today we're in Alderley | :00:00. | :00:06. | |
Edge, where we'll be discovering a time when local pubs were closed for | :00:06. | :00:11. | |
Tonight, 40 years on, we remember the tragedy of Summerland on the | :00:11. | :00:21. | |
Isle of Man. Everybody knows about Zeebrugge, they know about all the | :00:21. | :00:23. | |
other major disasters — but not Zeebrugge, they know about all the | :00:23. | :00:28. | |
Summerland and the Isle of Man. After this weekend's Super League | :00:28. | :00:32. | |
final, we reveal how rugby is taking on a different kind of battle. We | :00:32. | :00:38. | |
aggressive game and it's almost taboo to feel any weakness both | :00:38. | :00:47. | |
And we search for the last resting place of Britain's first Muslim | :00:47. | :00:51. | |
Summerland, a holiday haven on the Isle of Man where the sun always | :00:51. | :01:21. | |
shone. But in August 1973, it became a vision of hell. The whole complex | :01:21. | :01:26. | |
destroyed by fire, in a matter of minutes. 50 people lost their lives. | :01:26. | :01:32. | |
BBC Radio Lancashire Sally Naden, who was then a dancer, was one of | :01:32. | :01:37. | |
the lucky ones who survived. 40 years on, she's been back to the | :01:37. | :01:39. | |
island to tell the tragic story Horrible sight to see. I heard | :01:39. | :02:06. | |
people screaming. I ran upstairs. People were trying to find their | :02:06. | :02:18. | |
40 years ago I made this journey from the mainland to the Isle of | :02:18. | :02:23. | |
Man. I was a young dancer looking forward to summer season, at a venue | :02:23. | :02:28. | |
that was a real innovation for family entertainment. Little did I | :02:28. | :02:32. | |
know how things would unfold for me. The place was Summerland, one of the | :02:32. | :02:38. | |
biggest indoor entertainment centres in the world. Seven floors of family | :02:38. | :02:44. | |
fun, no rain, no wind, no need to jet off to Spain. Its bronze tinted | :02:44. | :02:50. | |
cladding, Oroglas, offered warm summer glow whatever the weather | :02:50. | :03:03. | |
NEWS ARCHIVE: The fire is spreading Alan Jackson was a local DJ when he | :03:03. | :03:12. | |
recorded that commentary on the 1973. I had the cassette my mother | :03:12. | :03:20. | |
had bought me for my birthday, and as I crossed the crazy paving, the | :03:20. | :03:29. | |
double glass doors burst open. NEWS ARCHIVE: People are running all | :03:29. | :03:35. | |
over the place. Just one fire engine has arrived at the moment. Where are | :03:35. | :03:46. | |
It feels very strange to be in this car park because this is the place I | :03:46. | :03:51. | |
escaped to when I came out of the fire. I can hear it, when we are | :03:51. | :03:54. | |
stood here it is tinged with so fire. I can hear it, when we are | :03:54. | :03:59. | |
strong memories of what happened in Unlike so many others who are in | :03:59. | :04:09. | |
this building behind me on the same night, in the same fire, and they | :04:09. | :04:17. | |
NEWS ARCHIVE: Here comes the police now. The driver of the first fire | :04:17. | :04:22. | |
engine was Alan Christian, who would go on to become the island's chief | :04:22. | :04:27. | |
fire officer. Now retired, memories of that night have never left him. | :04:27. | :04:36. | |
Obviously the number of bodies that were lined up on the floor on the | :04:36. | :04:42. | |
staircase, that has stuck with me. The Fire Brigade was not cold until | :04:42. | :04:50. | |
disused kiosk outside. Staff had tried to tackle it on where flames | :04:50. | :04:55. | |
had already taken hold within the walls. The first alarm calls came | :04:55. | :04:59. | |
from a taxi driver, and from a ship in Douglas Bay which had spotted | :04:59. | :05:05. | |
smoke. I am still convinced today that if somebody had operated any of | :05:05. | :05:08. | |
the fire alarm points within that building, it would have tripped | :05:09. | :05:28. | |
the fire alarm points within that direct link to the fire station | :05:28. | :05:30. | |
the fire alarm points within that we would have been mobilised. I | :05:30. | :05:30. | |
still think today that we could we would have been mobilised. I | :05:30. | :05:33. | |
Inside, I was about to go on stage. Then we saw smoke. There was an | :05:33. | :05:36. | |
explosion, and flames burst through. Coming towards me then was a wall of | :05:36. | :05:39. | |
flame. Literally, a wall of flame. Like a waterfall, but it was made up | :05:39. | :05:42. | |
of flames. Floor—to—ceiling. Moving at what was quite a rapid rate | :05:42. | :05:47. | |
before —— towards us. It would take less than ten minutes for the flames | :05:47. | :05:55. | |
accidentally by three boys smoking. Oroglas was not the only issue. | :05:56. | :06:00. | |
accidentally by three boys smoking. inquiry into the blaze identified a | :06:00. | :06:02. | |
chain of management and design errors. First and foremost, and | :06:02. | :06:07. | |
external walls not fire resistant. At the Manx Museum they have a | :06:08. | :06:12. | |
collection of original Summerland promotional material. Seeing these | :06:12. | :06:16. | |
images of happy, smiling faces is far removed from how I remember | :06:16. | :06:21. | |
As the flames were coming nearer and nearer to us, people were on this | :06:21. | :06:27. | |
balcony and I can remember people throwing their children, small | :06:27. | :06:33. | |
children, off the balcony in the hope somebody would catch them, | :06:33. | :06:36. | |
staircases were the first thing hope somebody would catch them, | :06:36. | :06:44. | |
Amid those awful scenes, there were heroes. I have come across some | :06:44. | :06:48. | |
Amid those awful scenes, there were man was in the public records, which | :06:48. | :06:54. | |
tell the story of the local GP Richard Hamm, one of the first to | :06:54. | :07:03. | |
" Dr Hamm smashed a window and let himself down into the flames. Where | :07:03. | :07:07. | |
he helped to casually the casualties out and dealt with them. A real | :07:07. | :07:18. | |
Oh, dear! That is really putting me on the spot. Dr Hamm dismisses any | :07:18. | :07:25. | |
suggestion of heroism, but we know he stationed himself at one fire | :07:25. | :07:29. | |
expert working with firemen to casualties. The building might have | :07:29. | :07:32. | |
collapsed, but this is what you casualties. The building might have | :07:32. | :07:38. | |
There is nothing courageous about that. It is a fact of life. If you | :07:38. | :07:48. | |
people's large do you think you impossible to say. I just do not | :07:48. | :08:01. | |
far as I know, I need to be a bit cautious, but as far as I know | :08:01. | :08:02. | |
nobody left where I was without cautious, but as far as I know | :08:02. | :08:12. | |
After 40 years, it is right to actions. I was lucky. I did not | :08:12. | :08:17. | |
require his heroic services that Behind me there was a huge plate | :08:17. | :08:23. | |
glass window that overlooked the Aquadome. There was a big swimming | :08:23. | :08:29. | |
pool there. The guys in the band were fantastic because they grab | :08:29. | :08:33. | |
this trestle table and started was enormous. And I can remember | :08:33. | :08:43. | |
feeling the heat on my face, and seeing the window almost bent, | :08:43. | :08:47. | |
thinking, this is not going to go, if it does not go we have nowhere to | :08:47. | :08:50. | |
smashed, and the band and asked if it does not go we have nowhere to | :08:50. | :09:00. | |
dancers, in costume, run out —— if it does not go we have nowhere to | :09:00. | :09:04. | |
out. In August, a memorial to all unveiled. 50 names including three | :09:04. | :09:11. | |
members of the Cheetham family from Merseyside. Parents Dick and Betty | :09:11. | :09:18. | |
The people that you loved went on holiday and did not come home. | :09:18. | :09:24. | |
June's sister Heather did not join her family on their annual trip | :09:24. | :09:27. | |
June's sister Heather did not join the isle of man, that year, she | :09:27. | :09:32. | |
June's sister Heather did not join just got married. It is the worry —— | :09:32. | :09:32. | |
wonder of what the future would just got married. It is the worry —— | :09:32. | :09:37. | |
in. They would have seen the —— just got married. It is the worry —— | :09:37. | :09:39. | |
children, their sister's children. What life would my sister have had, | :09:39. | :09:46. | |
she would have been married, there would have been more family. It | :09:46. | :09:50. | |
she would have been married, there sense of loss for what could have | :09:50. | :09:58. | |
Seeing all the names on the stone makes me realise just how lucky | :09:58. | :10:05. | |
Seeing all the names on the stone was to escape. Not just me, the | :10:05. | :10:07. | |
Seeing all the names on the stone who was then my boyfriend and is now | :10:07. | :10:09. | |
my husband, he escaped as well and he is with me, and is now the other | :10:09. | :10:19. | |
And it just really brings home the words that are on the stone, we | :10:19. | :10:28. | |
And it just really brings home the It is unknown. Everybody knows about | :10:28. | :10:31. | |
Hillsborough, Zeebrugge all the other major disasters, but not the | :10:31. | :10:33. | |
Summerland and the isle of man. other major disasters, but not the | :10:33. | :10:38. | |
think it is hurtful for the people who have not only lost relatives, | :10:38. | :10:45. | |
but the people who survived it. Coming up: Revealing the time when | :10:45. | :10:50. | |
Couple of hundred years ago the closure of something that was so | :10:50. | :10:53. | |
fundamental to the community would have been drastic, it was a real | :10:53. | :10:57. | |
sense of loss. It's like the death of a section of the community, | :10:57. | :11:04. | |
Alderley Edge is well known as home to numerous Premier League stars. | :11:04. | :11:06. | |
But few sports are as glamorous to numerous Premier League stars. | :11:06. | :11:10. | |
well paid as football. Rugby league has been facing a tough battle | :11:10. | :11:13. | |
recently tackling high suicide rates. We sent BBC Radio Five Live's | :11:13. | :11:17. | |
rugby league reporter George Riley sportsman can hold the key to better | :11:17. | :11:20. | |
mental health across the north. It got bad. It probably got the | :11:20. | :11:37. | |
point I decided I did not want to be here. Just totally gobsmacked. | :11:37. | :11:44. | |
Devastated. Daniel had made so many plans. It is the darker side of | :11:44. | :11:58. | |
for so long was hidden away. Suicide is by far the biggest killer of | :11:58. | :12:02. | |
young men, it has become a talking point in rugby league, but even | :12:02. | :12:09. | |
young men, it has become a talking I am going across the North to try | :12:09. | :12:11. | |
and find out why we are being hit harder than other parts of the | :12:11. | :12:15. | |
country, and whether rugby league can show the way in preventing | :12:15. | :12:17. | |
Leads, we didn't —— Wigan, Bradford, Great Britain. Terry Newton was | :12:17. | :12:40. | |
Leads, we didn't —— Wigan, Bradford, massive name in rugby. What happened | :12:40. | :12:41. | |
to him three years ago shook the sporting world. I got a phone call | :12:41. | :12:44. | |
from a friend of Terry's, and he I think there has been a terrible | :12:44. | :12:50. | |
incident, I think Terry's hung himself. Terry Newton had been | :12:50. | :12:55. | |
banned from rugby after taking growth hormone. I cheated the sport, | :12:55. | :13:02. | |
I cheated the fans. But not even his best friends had any idea. Terry was | :13:02. | :13:05. | |
good at hiding his problems and best friends had any idea. Terry was | :13:05. | :13:09. | |
feelings. If you spoke to him, you would think nothing was wrong. We | :13:09. | :13:16. | |
was all devastated. Rugby had to change, and tackle mental health | :13:16. | :13:17. | |
Bishop Burton College, base for change, and tackle mental health | :13:17. | :13:26. | |
FC's Academy. They are only just starting out. This could be the | :13:26. | :13:30. | |
FC's Academy. They are only just important piece of training they | :13:30. | :13:34. | |
get. What we do know is you work experience rough times. O'clock | :13:34. | :13:41. | |
get. What we do know is you work the charity State of Mind. If you | :13:41. | :13:43. | |
can get people to be mentally fit and deal with the ups and downs | :13:43. | :13:46. | |
can get people to be mentally fit life, you may not feel overwhelmed | :13:47. | :13:48. | |
where you feel there is no other way out. Being restless, so it is hard | :13:48. | :13:59. | |
Phil is an NHS practitioner. Jimmy Gittens, a former professional | :13:59. | :14:03. | |
player, was initially paralysed It was just more the fact that what | :14:03. | :14:13. | |
I had been given as a prospect of The darkest point came when I asked | :14:13. | :14:18. | |
my brother to put a pillow over The darkest point came when I asked | :14:18. | :14:23. | |
face. I felt like that was the only Clearly, my situation was quite | :14:23. | :14:25. | |
horrendous. I would not wish on Clearly, my situation was quite | :14:25. | :14:32. | |
the end of the day, it's the cards I have been dealt and I have got to | :14:32. | :14:38. | |
But even without an horrific injury, professional sport brings huge | :14:38. | :14:40. | |
stress. Many suffer from depression. There were some times where I felt | :14:40. | :14:45. | |
low and I guess I did not realise it was the stress of the job and the | :14:45. | :14:49. | |
depression I had got into. We live in a macho, tough, violent and | :14:49. | :14:52. | |
aggressive game and it is almost taboo to feel any weakness, both | :14:52. | :14:56. | |
Suicide, depression — issues that are now being openly discussed | :14:56. | :14:59. | |
within rugby league are mirrored in When we first began, we noticed | :14:59. | :15:05. | |
within rugby league are mirrored in the suicide rates in all Super | :15:05. | :15:07. | |
League areas and rugby league club areas were higher than the national | :15:07. | :15:11. | |
average. Because that is the case, you realise there is a potential | :15:11. | :15:15. | |
Do we have a bigger problem with suicides than we do in other areas | :15:16. | :15:22. | |
If you were to draw a line through the country roughly at Sheffield, | :15:22. | :15:27. | |
suicides north of that line. The rate of suicide in the north versus | :15:27. | :15:31. | |
London is about 20% higher. There are a number of reasons behind that. | :15:31. | :15:36. | |
What are those factors? I have come to the north—east where there is a | :15:36. | :15:39. | |
higher rate of suicide in men than any other part of England. I am | :15:40. | :15:44. | |
meeting one mum who, overnight, Daniel was 19. He was very popular. | :15:44. | :15:53. | |
We went out shopping one day, left Daniel at home. And we returned | :15:53. | :15:58. | |
We went out shopping one day, left that day without two of the boys and | :15:58. | :16:00. | |
found him and he had taken his own life. He was just an ordinary, happy | :16:00. | :16:06. | |
young man that sometimes would be down in the dumps. But nothing that | :16:06. | :16:17. | |
think that day will stay with us forever. There are some days it | :16:17. | :16:24. | |
think that day will stay with us easier to manage than others, but, | :16:24. | :16:26. | |
fundamentally, it destroys who you feelings so his family set up a | :16:26. | :16:46. | |
talking about suicide. If You Care, The charity now has three aims which | :16:46. | :16:51. | |
intervention of suicide through The charity now has three aims which | :16:51. | :16:54. | |
training workshops and support for Unfortunately, the numbers increase. | :16:54. | :17:03. | |
We are supporting and, although Unfortunately, the numbers increase. | :17:03. | :17:06. | |
are only a small organisation, this week we will hit over the 200 mark | :17:06. | :17:10. | |
for the people who have been touched Why do you think there is such a | :17:10. | :17:16. | |
high number of suicides in this A lot of people say it is because of | :17:16. | :17:23. | |
the employment rates, men's roles predominantly the reason why we | :17:23. | :17:28. | |
the employment rates, men's roles a problem is that it is still one of | :17:28. | :17:30. | |
those, real men don't cry or show Can professional sportsmen finally | :17:30. | :17:38. | |
These are iconic figures in their local community and if those figures | :17:38. | :17:41. | |
talk about mental health, and talk challenges, it gives the OK to | :17:41. | :17:44. | |
everybody else to feel they can It is August, game 25 of the Super | :17:44. | :18:02. | |
League season. State of Mind is targeting a number of high profile | :18:02. | :18:05. | |
games to attack high suicide rates That gives you all the details about | :18:05. | :18:12. | |
the services in the area. This has been recognised by all sorts of | :18:12. | :18:15. | |
famous people and on Twitter as breaks so many boundaries down. | :18:15. | :18:23. | |
famous people and on Twitter as dad used to sit by the side of my | :18:23. | :18:23. | |
bed and say, penny for them. He dad used to sit by the side of my | :18:23. | :18:28. | |
what I were thinking, but he needed to get it out of me to help me. | :18:28. | :18:36. | |
what I were thinking, but he needed At one of the particular games in | :18:36. | :18:39. | |
that weekend and a person came up to us to talk about their particular | :18:39. | :18:43. | |
circumstance. What we did is discuss that with the person, show them | :18:43. | :18:46. | |
circumstance. What we did is discuss information with our website. They | :18:47. | :18:49. | |
came back at the end of the game and said, I was contemplating taking my | :18:49. | :18:53. | |
own life tonight and I don't think I will do that now. I think that is | :18:53. | :18:58. | |
quite a powerful thing for any project to be able to achieve. | :18:58. | :19:07. | |
Imagine waking up one morning to restaurants had been closed, not on | :19:07. | :19:16. | |
religion. There would be an outcry. But a century or so ago, that is | :19:16. | :19:20. | |
what happened in a small part of investigating the little—known story | :19:20. | :19:25. | |
of Britain's first Muslim lord. Somewhere around about here, yes. | :19:25. | :19:41. | |
searching for the last resting place of an enigmatic English aristocrat. | :19:41. | :19:45. | |
A Muslim, peer of the realm, who challenge the status quo and helped | :19:45. | :19:47. | |
This was his father and this was his mother. But, of Henry Edward John, | :19:47. | :20:01. | |
the third Baron Stanley of Alderney, this engraving is the only clue | :20:01. | :20:19. | |
The memorial lies here in St Mary's Church and Nether Alderney, where | :20:19. | :20:21. | |
Henry Stanley's family had been Church and Nether Alderney, where | :20:21. | :20:25. | |
of the manor since the middle of the This is known as the Stanley Pew and | :20:25. | :20:32. | |
it is where the Stanley family would have sat for morning prayers and | :20:32. | :20:33. | |
when they attended services. It have sat for morning prayers and | :20:33. | :20:39. | |
an external entrance so they would not have to mix with the hoi polloi | :20:39. | :20:44. | |
down here. I think the message of this is, we are the top dog, we | :20:44. | :20:48. | |
down here. I think the message of in charge. You can't get any higher | :20:48. | :20:49. | |
in the church and they are very in charge. You can't get any higher | :20:49. | :20:53. | |
looking down and surveying, so I think it is clear the message it | :20:53. | :20:55. | |
Parliament but his family persuaded him to move to Constantinople to | :20:55. | :21:09. | |
work with the diplomatic service. Here, he began his love affair with | :21:09. | :21:14. | |
Eastern culture. Over the next decade, he travelled through Asia, | :21:14. | :21:16. | |
Lord Stanley lived here in Alderley Park. The land you see around me and | :21:17. | :21:36. | |
miles more of it was owned by his pharmaceutical giant AstraZeneca. | :21:36. | :22:00. | |
candles, live musicians in the corner, house guests dancing the | :22:00. | :22:03. | |
night away, servants tending to corner, house guests dancing the | :22:03. | :22:09. | |
every need. Now it is used as a conference room by AstraZeneca. | :22:09. | :22:17. | |
At the age of 35, Henry rejected Christianity and converted to Islam. | :22:17. | :22:20. | |
A truly remarkable step for the Christianity and converted to Islam. | :22:20. | :22:26. | |
It is believed he took the name Abdul Rahman. But according to local | :22:26. | :22:29. | |
historian Clare Pye, it was not Abdul Rahman. But according to local | :22:29. | :22:33. | |
only secret he had kept from his Henry went to his mother and told | :22:33. | :22:39. | |
her that he had been married for seven years to a Spanish lady called | :22:39. | :22:47. | |
absolutely gobsmacked by this, as you might expect. Old Lady Stanley, | :22:47. | :22:53. | |
in particular, was extremely upset because Fabia was already married. | :22:53. | :23:00. | |
Her husband was still living when she married Henry. It was bigamous | :23:00. | :23:04. | |
As a Muslim, Henry's religious beliefs meant he could not allow the | :23:04. | :23:19. | |
without discussion, he shut the beliefs meant he could not allow the | :23:19. | :23:27. | |
public houses on the estate. The Eagle and Child lay on the old main | :23:27. | :23:30. | |
road between Manchester and London travellers. So, Janet, you used | :23:30. | :23:38. | |
road between Manchester and London live here, then? Yes, I owned the | :23:38. | :23:39. | |
property right through from the early 90s to about a year ago. Lord | :23:39. | :23:44. | |
Stanley closed this place down though, didn't he? At the time, | :23:44. | :23:48. | |
Stanley closed this place down was a abit of a sense of loss, | :23:48. | :23:51. | |
really. A couple of hundred years ago, the closure of something that | :23:51. | :23:54. | |
was so fundamental to the community would have been drastic. It is like | :23:54. | :23:58. | |
a death or a bereavement for a section of the community. So Lord | :23:58. | :24:02. | |
Stanley had the power? The absolute power. It was his land, his rules, | :24:03. | :24:09. | |
community had to go with it, end of Britain's Islamic heritage began in | :24:09. | :24:12. | |
Liverpool with the country's first mosque at number eight Brougham | :24:12. | :24:19. | |
Terrace. It was set up by William Quilliam, a Liverpool lawyer, who | :24:19. | :24:21. | |
became a Muslim after visiting Morocco. He took the name Sheikh | :24:21. | :24:25. | |
For a short period, the Liverpool centre of Islam. Abdullah Quilliam | :24:25. | :24:53. | |
Henry would make the trip from journey that would not have been | :24:53. | :25:00. | |
undertaken lightly. Looking around, it is hard to believe that this | :25:00. | :25:05. | |
undertaken lightly. Looking around, country. Abdullah Quilliam opened | :25:05. | :25:07. | |
succeeded his father as Lord Stanley in 1869, becoming the first Muslim | :25:07. | :25:22. | |
peer of the House of Lords. He died in 1903, aged 76, and Quilliam led | :25:22. | :25:30. | |
the Islamic funeral. If you look carefully, you can just about see an | :25:30. | :25:38. | |
Stanley's body would have been brought through that archway in | :25:38. | :25:42. | |
Stanley's body would have been the main mosque, here. His body | :25:42. | :25:44. | |
would have been washed the Islamic known Islamically as Janaza, held | :25:44. | :25:49. | |
here. The congregation would have faced that way, towards Mecca, then | :25:49. | :25:51. | |
churchyard. He is buried down the road, down the A34, in a little | :25:51. | :26:10. | |
because it is on private land. Shall we go and see if we can have a look? | :26:10. | :26:13. | |
I think that would be great, yes. knowledge, a bit of trekking and | :26:13. | :26:32. | |
request not to reveal the exact location for the sake of privacy. | :26:32. | :26:38. | |
There it is. Oh, my goodness, yes. he was buried facing Mecca, I am | :26:38. | :26:46. | |
presuming. I presume so, yes. See anything on here. See what it says. | :26:46. | :26:57. | |
Oh, yes. Henry Edward John, third Baron Stanley of Alderney. July | :26:57. | :27:10. | |
Oh, yes. Henry Edward John, third something. December 1903. Which | :27:10. | :27:16. | |
Oh, yes. Henry Edward John, third that great? Do you know much about | :27:16. | :27:18. | |
the funeral service and how that was held? We know that they contacted | :27:18. | :27:22. | |
the Turkish Embassy because the First Secretary came up for the | :27:22. | :27:27. | |
funeral. He brought the imam with him who said the final prayers here | :27:27. | :27:29. | |
at the graveside. This place is him who said the final prayers here | :27:29. | :27:39. | |
it? It is not in the park, no, but it is on Alderley land, so you could | :27:39. | :27:45. | |
say he was buried on home territory. And this place, I think, is a lovely | :27:45. | :27:52. | |
peaceful place to be buried. I think maybe we should leave Lord Stanley | :27:52. | :27:54. | |
in peace now. I think so, yes. Nazia Mogra and the story of Lord | :27:54. | :28:08. | |
Stanley. Restoration work on the mosque in Liverpool is due to finish | :28:08. | :28:10. | |
by Christmas. Don't forget, you mosque in Liverpool is due to finish | :28:10. | :28:15. | |
catch us again on the BBC iPlayer, but we are back next Monday at | :28:15. | :28:19. | |
Next week, following recent food scares, we ask if it is time to | :28:19. | :28:30. | |
Next week, following recent food back to basics. You can't let the | :28:30. | :28:30. | |
customer down. If they have got | :28:30. | :28:37. |