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Hello and welcome to Inside Out North West. Today we're in Alderley

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Edge, where we'll be discovering a time when local pubs were closed for

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Tonight, 40 years on, we remember the tragedy of Summerland on the

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Isle of Man. Everybody knows about Zeebrugge, they know about all the

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other major disasters — but not Zeebrugge, they know about all the

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Summerland and the Isle of Man. After this weekend's Super League

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final, we reveal how rugby is taking on a different kind of battle. We

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aggressive game and it's almost taboo to feel any weakness both

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And we search for the last resting place of Britain's first Muslim

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Summerland, a holiday haven on the Isle of Man where the sun always

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shone. But in August 1973, it became a vision of hell. The whole complex

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destroyed by fire, in a matter of minutes. 50 people lost their lives.

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BBC Radio Lancashire Sally Naden, who was then a dancer, was one of

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the lucky ones who survived. 40 years on, she's been back to the

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island to tell the tragic story Horrible sight to see. I heard

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people screaming. I ran upstairs. People were trying to find their

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40 years ago I made this journey from the mainland to the Isle of

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Man. I was a young dancer looking forward to summer season, at a venue

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that was a real innovation for family entertainment. Little did I

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know how things would unfold for me. The place was Summerland, one of the

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biggest indoor entertainment centres in the world. Seven floors of family

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fun, no rain, no wind, no need to jet off to Spain. Its bronze tinted

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cladding, Oroglas, offered warm summer glow whatever the weather

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NEWS ARCHIVE: The fire is spreading Alan Jackson was a local DJ when he

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recorded that commentary on the 1973. I had the cassette my mother

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had bought me for my birthday, and as I crossed the crazy paving, the

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double glass doors burst open. NEWS ARCHIVE: People are running all

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over the place. Just one fire engine has arrived at the moment. Where are

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It feels very strange to be in this car park because this is the place I

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escaped to when I came out of the fire. I can hear it, when we are

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stood here it is tinged with so fire. I can hear it, when we are

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strong memories of what happened in Unlike so many others who are in

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this building behind me on the same night, in the same fire, and they

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NEWS ARCHIVE: Here comes the police now. The driver of the first fire

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engine was Alan Christian, who would go on to become the island's chief

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fire officer. Now retired, memories of that night have never left him.

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Obviously the number of bodies that were lined up on the floor on the

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staircase, that has stuck with me. The Fire Brigade was not cold until

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disused kiosk outside. Staff had tried to tackle it on where flames

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had already taken hold within the walls. The first alarm calls came

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from a taxi driver, and from a ship in Douglas Bay which had spotted

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smoke. I am still convinced today that if somebody had operated any of

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the fire alarm points within that building, it would have tripped

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the fire alarm points within that direct link to the fire station

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the fire alarm points within that we would have been mobilised. I

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still think today that we could we would have been mobilised. I

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Inside, I was about to go on stage. Then we saw smoke. There was an

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explosion, and flames burst through. Coming towards me then was a wall of

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flame. Literally, a wall of flame. Like a waterfall, but it was made up

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of flames. Floor—to—ceiling. Moving at what was quite a rapid rate

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before —— towards us. It would take less than ten minutes for the flames

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accidentally by three boys smoking. Oroglas was not the only issue.

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accidentally by three boys smoking. inquiry into the blaze identified a

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chain of management and design errors. First and foremost, and

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external walls not fire resistant. At the Manx Museum they have a

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collection of original Summerland promotional material. Seeing these

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images of happy, smiling faces is far removed from how I remember

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As the flames were coming nearer and nearer to us, people were on this

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balcony and I can remember people throwing their children, small

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children, off the balcony in the hope somebody would catch them,

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staircases were the first thing hope somebody would catch them,

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Amid those awful scenes, there were heroes. I have come across some

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Amid those awful scenes, there were man was in the public records, which

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tell the story of the local GP Richard Hamm, one of the first to

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" Dr Hamm smashed a window and let himself down into the flames. Where

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he helped to casually the casualties out and dealt with them. A real

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Oh, dear! That is really putting me on the spot. Dr Hamm dismisses any

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suggestion of heroism, but we know he stationed himself at one fire

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expert working with firemen to casualties. The building might have

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collapsed, but this is what you casualties. The building might have

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There is nothing courageous about that. It is a fact of life. If you

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people's large do you think you impossible to say. I just do not

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far as I know, I need to be a bit cautious, but as far as I know

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nobody left where I was without cautious, but as far as I know

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After 40 years, it is right to actions. I was lucky. I did not

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require his heroic services that Behind me there was a huge plate

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glass window that overlooked the Aquadome. There was a big swimming

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pool there. The guys in the band were fantastic because they grab

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this trestle table and started was enormous. And I can remember

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feeling the heat on my face, and seeing the window almost bent,

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thinking, this is not going to go, if it does not go we have nowhere to

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smashed, and the band and asked if it does not go we have nowhere to

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dancers, in costume, run out —— if it does not go we have nowhere to

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out. In August, a memorial to all unveiled. 50 names including three

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members of the Cheetham family from Merseyside. Parents Dick and Betty

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The people that you loved went on holiday and did not come home.

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June's sister Heather did not join her family on their annual trip

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June's sister Heather did not join the isle of man, that year, she

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June's sister Heather did not join just got married. It is the worry ——

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wonder of what the future would just got married. It is the worry ——

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in. They would have seen the —— just got married. It is the worry ——

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children, their sister's children. What life would my sister have had,

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she would have been married, there would have been more family. It

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she would have been married, there sense of loss for what could have

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Seeing all the names on the stone makes me realise just how lucky

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Seeing all the names on the stone was to escape. Not just me, the

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Seeing all the names on the stone who was then my boyfriend and is now

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my husband, he escaped as well and he is with me, and is now the other

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And it just really brings home the words that are on the stone, we

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And it just really brings home the It is unknown. Everybody knows about

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Hillsborough, Zeebrugge all the other major disasters, but not the

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Summerland and the isle of man. other major disasters, but not the

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think it is hurtful for the people who have not only lost relatives,

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but the people who survived it. Coming up: Revealing the time when

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Couple of hundred years ago the closure of something that was so

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fundamental to the community would have been drastic, it was a real

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sense of loss. It's like the death of a section of the community,

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Alderley Edge is well known as home to numerous Premier League stars.

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But few sports are as glamorous to numerous Premier League stars.

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well paid as football. Rugby league has been facing a tough battle

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recently tackling high suicide rates. We sent BBC Radio Five Live's

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rugby league reporter George Riley sportsman can hold the key to better

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mental health across the north. It got bad. It probably got the

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point I decided I did not want to be here. Just totally gobsmacked.

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Devastated. Daniel had made so many plans. It is the darker side of

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for so long was hidden away. Suicide is by far the biggest killer of

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young men, it has become a talking point in rugby league, but even

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young men, it has become a talking I am going across the North to try

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and find out why we are being hit harder than other parts of the

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country, and whether rugby league can show the way in preventing

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Leads, we didn't —— Wigan, Bradford, Great Britain. Terry Newton was

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Leads, we didn't —— Wigan, Bradford, massive name in rugby. What happened

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to him three years ago shook the sporting world. I got a phone call

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from a friend of Terry's, and he I think there has been a terrible

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incident, I think Terry's hung himself. Terry Newton had been

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banned from rugby after taking growth hormone. I cheated the sport,

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I cheated the fans. But not even his best friends had any idea. Terry was

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good at hiding his problems and best friends had any idea. Terry was

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feelings. If you spoke to him, you would think nothing was wrong. We

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was all devastated. Rugby had to change, and tackle mental health

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Bishop Burton College, base for change, and tackle mental health

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FC's Academy. They are only just starting out. This could be the

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FC's Academy. They are only just important piece of training they

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get. What we do know is you work experience rough times. O'clock

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get. What we do know is you work the charity State of Mind. If you

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can get people to be mentally fit and deal with the ups and downs

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can get people to be mentally fit life, you may not feel overwhelmed

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where you feel there is no other way out. Being restless, so it is hard

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Phil is an NHS practitioner. Jimmy Gittens, a former professional

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player, was initially paralysed It was just more the fact that what

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I had been given as a prospect of The darkest point came when I asked

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my brother to put a pillow over The darkest point came when I asked

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face. I felt like that was the only Clearly, my situation was quite

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horrendous. I would not wish on Clearly, my situation was quite

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the end of the day, it's the cards I have been dealt and I have got to

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But even without an horrific injury, professional sport brings huge

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stress. Many suffer from depression. There were some times where I felt

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low and I guess I did not realise it was the stress of the job and the

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depression I had got into. We live in a macho, tough, violent and

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aggressive game and it is almost taboo to feel any weakness, both

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Suicide, depression — issues that are now being openly discussed

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within rugby league are mirrored in When we first began, we noticed

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within rugby league are mirrored in the suicide rates in all Super

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League areas and rugby league club areas were higher than the national

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average. Because that is the case, you realise there is a potential

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Do we have a bigger problem with suicides than we do in other areas

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If you were to draw a line through the country roughly at Sheffield,

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suicides north of that line. The rate of suicide in the north versus

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London is about 20% higher. There are a number of reasons behind that.

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What are those factors? I have come to the north—east where there is a

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higher rate of suicide in men than any other part of England. I am

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meeting one mum who, overnight, Daniel was 19. He was very popular.

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We went out shopping one day, left Daniel at home. And we returned

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We went out shopping one day, left that day without two of the boys and

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found him and he had taken his own life. He was just an ordinary, happy

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young man that sometimes would be down in the dumps. But nothing that

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think that day will stay with us forever. There are some days it

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think that day will stay with us easier to manage than others, but,

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fundamentally, it destroys who you feelings so his family set up a

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talking about suicide. If You Care, The charity now has three aims which

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intervention of suicide through The charity now has three aims which

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training workshops and support for Unfortunately, the numbers increase.

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We are supporting and, although Unfortunately, the numbers increase.

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are only a small organisation, this week we will hit over the 200 mark

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for the people who have been touched Why do you think there is such a

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high number of suicides in this A lot of people say it is because of

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the employment rates, men's roles predominantly the reason why we

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the employment rates, men's roles a problem is that it is still one of

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those, real men don't cry or show Can professional sportsmen finally

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These are iconic figures in their local community and if those figures

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talk about mental health, and talk challenges, it gives the OK to

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everybody else to feel they can It is August, game 25 of the Super

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League season. State of Mind is targeting a number of high profile

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games to attack high suicide rates That gives you all the details about

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the services in the area. This has been recognised by all sorts of

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famous people and on Twitter as breaks so many boundaries down.

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famous people and on Twitter as dad used to sit by the side of my

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bed and say, penny for them. He dad used to sit by the side of my

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what I were thinking, but he needed to get it out of me to help me.

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what I were thinking, but he needed At one of the particular games in

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that weekend and a person came up to us to talk about their particular

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circumstance. What we did is discuss that with the person, show them

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circumstance. What we did is discuss information with our website. They

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came back at the end of the game and said, I was contemplating taking my

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own life tonight and I don't think I will do that now. I think that is

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quite a powerful thing for any project to be able to achieve.

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Imagine waking up one morning to restaurants had been closed, not on

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religion. There would be an outcry. But a century or so ago, that is

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what happened in a small part of investigating the little—known story

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of Britain's first Muslim lord. Somewhere around about here, yes.

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searching for the last resting place of an enigmatic English aristocrat.

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A Muslim, peer of the realm, who challenge the status quo and helped

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This was his father and this was his mother. But, of Henry Edward John,

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the third Baron Stanley of Alderney, this engraving is the only clue

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The memorial lies here in St Mary's Church and Nether Alderney, where

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Henry Stanley's family had been Church and Nether Alderney, where

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of the manor since the middle of the This is known as the Stanley Pew and

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it is where the Stanley family would have sat for morning prayers and

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when they attended services. It have sat for morning prayers and

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an external entrance so they would not have to mix with the hoi polloi

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down here. I think the message of this is, we are the top dog, we

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down here. I think the message of in charge. You can't get any higher

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in the church and they are very in charge. You can't get any higher

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looking down and surveying, so I think it is clear the message it

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Parliament but his family persuaded him to move to Constantinople to

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work with the diplomatic service. Here, he began his love affair with

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Eastern culture. Over the next decade, he travelled through Asia,

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Lord Stanley lived here in Alderley Park. The land you see around me and

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miles more of it was owned by his pharmaceutical giant AstraZeneca.

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candles, live musicians in the corner, house guests dancing the

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night away, servants tending to corner, house guests dancing the

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every need. Now it is used as a conference room by AstraZeneca.

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At the age of 35, Henry rejected Christianity and converted to Islam.

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A truly remarkable step for the Christianity and converted to Islam.

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It is believed he took the name Abdul Rahman. But according to local

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historian Clare Pye, it was not Abdul Rahman. But according to local

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only secret he had kept from his Henry went to his mother and told

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her that he had been married for seven years to a Spanish lady called

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absolutely gobsmacked by this, as you might expect. Old Lady Stanley,

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in particular, was extremely upset because Fabia was already married.

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Her husband was still living when she married Henry. It was bigamous

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As a Muslim, Henry's religious beliefs meant he could not allow the

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without discussion, he shut the beliefs meant he could not allow the

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public houses on the estate. The Eagle and Child lay on the old main

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road between Manchester and London travellers. So, Janet, you used

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road between Manchester and London live here, then? Yes, I owned the

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property right through from the early 90s to about a year ago. Lord

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Stanley closed this place down though, didn't he? At the time,

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Stanley closed this place down was a abit of a sense of loss,

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really. A couple of hundred years ago, the closure of something that

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was so fundamental to the community would have been drastic. It is like

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a death or a bereavement for a section of the community. So Lord

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Stanley had the power? The absolute power. It was his land, his rules,

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community had to go with it, end of Britain's Islamic heritage began in

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Liverpool with the country's first mosque at number eight Brougham

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Terrace. It was set up by William Quilliam, a Liverpool lawyer, who

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became a Muslim after visiting Morocco. He took the name Sheikh

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For a short period, the Liverpool centre of Islam. Abdullah Quilliam

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Henry would make the trip from journey that would not have been

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undertaken lightly. Looking around, it is hard to believe that this

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undertaken lightly. Looking around, country. Abdullah Quilliam opened

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succeeded his father as Lord Stanley in 1869, becoming the first Muslim

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peer of the House of Lords. He died in 1903, aged 76, and Quilliam led

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the Islamic funeral. If you look carefully, you can just about see an

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Stanley's body would have been brought through that archway in

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Stanley's body would have been the main mosque, here. His body

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would have been washed the Islamic known Islamically as Janaza, held

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here. The congregation would have faced that way, towards Mecca, then

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churchyard. He is buried down the road, down the A34, in a little

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because it is on private land. Shall we go and see if we can have a look?

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I think that would be great, yes. knowledge, a bit of trekking and

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request not to reveal the exact location for the sake of privacy.

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There it is. Oh, my goodness, yes. he was buried facing Mecca, I am

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presuming. I presume so, yes. See anything on here. See what it says.

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Oh, yes. Henry Edward John, third Baron Stanley of Alderney. July

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Oh, yes. Henry Edward John, third something. December 1903. Which

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Oh, yes. Henry Edward John, third that great? Do you know much about

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the funeral service and how that was held? We know that they contacted

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the Turkish Embassy because the First Secretary came up for the

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funeral. He brought the imam with him who said the final prayers here

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at the graveside. This place is him who said the final prayers here

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it? It is not in the park, no, but it is on Alderley land, so you could

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say he was buried on home territory. And this place, I think, is a lovely

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peaceful place to be buried. I think maybe we should leave Lord Stanley

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in peace now. I think so, yes. Nazia Mogra and the story of Lord

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Stanley. Restoration work on the mosque in Liverpool is due to finish

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by Christmas. Don't forget, you mosque in Liverpool is due to finish

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catch us again on the BBC iPlayer, but we are back next Monday at

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