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Hello and welcome to inside out North West. Tonight, how this region

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is leading the way in dementia awareness. We have been married

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nearly 50 years and I have gone back to having another child, really We

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reveal Les Dawson's secret romantic side to comedian Johnny Vegas. There

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was so much more to the surface with Wes. And by funeral videos are

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becoming popular. This is a keepsake and offers a very special B and B do

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not see a funeral as something that should be forgotten.

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With the number of people receiving a dementia diagnosis expected to

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exceed a million in the UK within the next six years there is a drive

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to improve the quality of life for those with the condition and the

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people who care for them. Sam Walker's been finding out more about

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efforts to raise dementia awareness in the Northwest and Salford's bid

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to become one of the first dementia friendly cities in Britain. Onwards

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and upwards. No matter what happens. Les and Jenny Turner have been

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married for 40 years. Jenny was diagnosed with Alzheimer's eight

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years ago when she was 58. Les is her main carer. He is 70. Les, tell

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me what you have to do for Jenny. Everything. And when I say

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everything I mean everything. From bathing to toilet, everything. Any

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movement about the house you have got to be with her because she can't

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see things, obstacles, even coming downstairs you have got to put her

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hands on the bannister and say 'right come downstairs' and it's a

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slow process. It is as well. Jenny and Les have three grown`up children

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and five grandchildren, the youngest born just two weeks ago.

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Your family is really supportive. You are parents and you have got

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three children. How has it impacted on family life? It was devastating,

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wasn't it, because when you got the diagnosis Jenny said ,"Right, we

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have got to tell the family." So we phoned them up and we arranged to

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meet up at my daughter's house and we gave them the diagnosis, didn't

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we? And they cried. When you first got the diagnosis, were you

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frightened? No. No, you summed this up didn't you? You were glad that

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there was something you could put a name to, wasn't it? It was a relief

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that you... Yeah. ...and I think in a way it was a relief to all the

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family to know there was a reason why Jenny was like she is, or like

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she was. How has it changed your life? Dramatically. But we knew we

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knew didn't we? Les and Jenny were planning to move

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out to Cyprus on retirement but had to abandon their dream after the

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diagnosis. As Jenny condition's deteriorated Les has become her

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full`time carer. Tell me about a thing that so many

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of us take for granted, going out shopping for example, what's it like

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going to the shops? Err, very difficult. But when it comes to

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shopping for Jenny and if I need to take Jenny anywhere we always go to

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Handforth Dean, Marks and Spencers. It's easy parking and not only that

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if you forget your wheelchair they have always got wheelchairs there

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and I can take Jenny around Marks and Spencers all day in a

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wheelchair, but if I take her out on her feet, walkin, after two minutes

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there's too much going on and she wants to get out right away. What

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about other people's reaction to you and Jen? It varies. I mean we have

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had one or two episodes. Well as Jen can't handle escalators, you know,

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she can't get the timing right, to stand on it and be carried upstairs.

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So you use the lift, and there's quite a few people and there was a

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young lad there with his wife and child in a pram and he goes, "You

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could always use the escalator" I said, 'I am sorry, my wife has got

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Alzheimers and she can't see basically'. "Oh, I didn't know, and

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I said "No you don't know because it's not imprinted on the forehead

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"I have Alzheimers or Dementia. So you think that awareness is a

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problem? It is a problem. When you're out and about what would make

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your life easier? Oh, it's a very difficult answer, err question to

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answer that. Living with dementia and knowing dementia like we do you

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have got to live with it to understand it and strangers, if they

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have... They don't know do they No if they have never been in contact

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with anybody with dementia they will never understand it. Ssimple things

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like taxis. If we order a taxi and it comes and it happens to be a

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mini`bus that's no good for Jenny because there are steps which are

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too high and she cannot get in, so you have got to insist on a normal

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car where you can get Jenny in. It is the little things that most of

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us take for granted like going to the shops or using public transport

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that can pose such a challenge for people with dementia. So how can

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their lives be made easier? I've been to find out about efforts being

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made here in Salford to make it the first dementia friendly city in the

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UK. We hope that this may change the way that you react to a situation

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and promote this for other people so we can do our best to make sure we

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get rid of the negative connotations that we first heard when we heard

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the word dementia. These taxi drivers are among the first in the

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city to take part in a dementia awareness session. It is all part of

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an initiative to improve the quality of life for people in Salford with

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the condition. The Salford Dementia Action Alliance

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is basically aiming for Salford to become a dementia friendly city and

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what that means is that the city enable peoples with dementia to feel

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understood and respected and supported to lead happy and

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fulfilled. `` happy and fulfilled lathes. So why is it so important?

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It's important because a recent Alzheimer's Society survey found

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that one in ten people with dementia go out just once a month, and one in

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three go out just once a week and the reason being that they lacking

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the confidence and feel that society doesn't know how to support them and

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doesn't understand dementia. Loneliness and isolation can be a

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big problem for people with dementia and their carers as well, which is

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why projects like these are so important.

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The Open Doors Cafe meets every fortnight and is a chance for people

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with dementia and their partners or carers to get out and meet others.

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Tell me what does this cafe mean to you coming here? Oh I love it.

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Absolutely love it. This one and the other one we go to, I know everybody

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knows exactly what's going on and what it's about. I don't have to

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explain anything to everybody if Brendan keeps getting up and doing

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things, nobody has to explain to anybody because we all know we are

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in the same boat the people here all fabulous, it's just great that you

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don't have to explain to people why I am here, it's lovely. When was the

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last time, Joan, that you relaxed? In your life? I don't know. I don't

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know. I'm sorry I don't know. I just can't, 24`7 I have got to be

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watching him because I am frightened he'll just go out the door on the

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road and he doesn't understand anything like that. He would open

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the door to anybody, so I have to be with him, he puts the kettle on the

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stove and it's an electric kettle, he'd leave the gas on, so you can't

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relax, even at night when it's bedtime you can't, I've got to make

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sure he's all right in bed. I just can't relax. So if we could make a

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dementia friendly society in Salford how would your life change, if

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people understood your life? Lovely. Lovely, because then everybody would

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understand how I feel about it. How I have married nearly 50 years and I

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am back to having another child really, that's it.

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So, Jenny, you, I understand, used to be a model? Erm... For Marks and

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Spencer? Yep. And you had to go down to London? Yeah. So you love fashion

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and clothes? Yeah, yes lovely. Tell me about Jenny and you first met her

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Les? You were stunning. I will never forget the night I met her, you had

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hot`pants on didn't you? Hot`pants. Very hot. LAUGHTER. I don't have

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this problem myself. Tell me about your husband, Jenny. He's amazing,

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he is, yes, yep. What does he do for you? Lots and lots and lot and I

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just love him, yeah. Coming up, why it is not just the

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funerals of the rich and famous that are now being filmed. When you see

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it it is like being there. You get a lump in your throat, that is for

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sure. Manchester has produced some of the nations favourite comedians

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in the years, including Victoria Wood, Steve Coogan and Carolina

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Heron. One of the funniest of them all has got to be Les Dawson. He is

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perhaps best remembered for the mother`in`law jokes and the sissy

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and either routines. As Chris Hocking has been finding out there

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was more to Les Dawson and comedy genius. I had a nightmare that I was

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a sports car. My wife's mother had her foot on my throttle... Les

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Dawson's statue in Lytham St Anne's is a special place for his daughter

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Charlotte. Do you come here to the statute very often Charlotte? Yes I

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do actually, I know it sounds a bit weird but when I'm upset but when

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I'm upset or angry I just get in my car, sit there and just try and talk

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to him and try and make everything better. Unless it's a summer's day,

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I'll just get on my bike and bike down here and just give him a big

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hug, a kiss and squeeze his cheeks. Charlotte was only eight months old

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when Les Dawson died from a heart attack in Manchester on June the

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10th 1993. He was just 62. She had to grow up without her dad, sharing

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his memory with his adoring fans but never actually knowing him in

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person. I remember being sat around the living room with my mum and my

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family and just watching him on TV and thinking "Oh my God, my dad s on

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TV." Did it make sense to you? No, not really. It did not make sense.

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As I got older I realised what a genius he was. We got into the

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bedroom and we started to undress. And my mother always said to me

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whatever you do, when you're with a man, never take everything off. You

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know, never be, bare. Leave something on as an air of mystery.

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So did you? I left my hat on. Over the years Charlotte has had to piece

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together her father's story for herself from his TV shows and a

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cherished home video. Oh, hi, this is for you, Charlotte. By the way, I

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am your dad. He said "I'm your dad" to the camera. It's weird. Divya,

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Charlotte. In the room. You read five lb. Six oz. . I've wrote this

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card is just for you. The home`video Les Dawson made for her is

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Charlotte's most prized possession. But now aged 21 she wants to find

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out more about the man he was, the story behind his rise to fame and a

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talent he kept secret. To help Charlotte find out more about her

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father's past I've brought her to a working men's club in Liverpool to

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meet comedian Les Dennis. So Charlotte this is the Garston

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Woodcutters Club and it's the kind of club, I started here in the 0s,

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but it's the kind of club your dad would have worked in the 60s and

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70s, a real typical working men s club." I can't imagine what it would

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have been like for you, I would be absolutely terrified if I had to do

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that now. Well you know you were scared because audiences told you.

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With a singer they'd applaud politely but with a comic if you

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don't get laughs then you die, you die a death, as we call it. So it

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was a hard training ground but a very good training ground for comics

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to move on and to become the likes of your dad to become, the national

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treasure that he became. I came from a very profoundly. Though the age of

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15 I thought maybe signed for fertility. What made him different

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do you think? Well you see what had, he had the common touch. You know he

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could entertain people in a room like this but he could also

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entertain royalty. He could entertain. The Queen laughed at Les

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Dawson. That's why the Israel inspiration? ? For me he was

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somebody who'd cut through from the working men's clubs and moved on.

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Somebody like Les made you think it's possible, it's absolutely

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possible. These days shows like the Voice, X`Factor and Britain's Got

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Talent are a passport to overnight success but those kind of shows

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haven't always been around. However, there was Opportunity Knocks and

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that's the TV talent show that gave Les Dawson the big break he'd being

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searching for. The show turned him into a star overnight, although some

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critics said his humour was too northern for a national audience.

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But Les proved the doubters wrong. Now in the north of England we have

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what are called Gurners. Now the only way to illustrate how to pull a

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face is to paraphrase the old joke. A couple who have got married in a

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lonely part of Cumbria and said "I love you our Arthur","I really do

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love you." And he said, "I love you too." But there was more to Les

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Dawson than comedy genius. Charlotte's made an amazing

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discovery about her father that he kept secret. It is incredible being

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surrounded by this, the bike the blank cheque`book and some of these

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books. But this, this is something very, very special. Yes, this is

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extremely special. This is a novel, a romantic novel that I found when I

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was moving house, moving from the house that I lived with my dad in

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Lytham.And he wrote it in a woman's name, Maria Brett Cooper, because he

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was so scared about coming out as a serious writer, writing a romantic

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novel, so he wrote it in someone else's name. So he hid behind a

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pseudonym? So he actually typed this himself I assume? Yeah, he has. It's

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called An Echo of Shadows. Can you read us a little section from it? It

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was never published. I was going to finish writing it and hopefully

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publish it. It's the last work of Les Dawson. His widow Tracy says he

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was always writing. . He always had a notebook in his pocket, always

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writing, all the time. If we were like we are here now he would be

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writing another Cissy and Ada sketch, he was amazing really. And

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that was his aspiration ultimately wasn't it? Very much so. To be

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recognised as a writer. And he used to say that, if anything happens I

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want to be remembered for my writing, because he was so proud of

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it. He used to go and sit in the library when his books came out in

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Lytham St Anne's Library and just look at the books, and sit there

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looking and going and saying how proud he was that he achieved that,

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a Collyhurst lad had done well. I've taken Charlotte to meet her dad s

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biggest fan, comedian Johnny Vegas. He played the part of Les in a play

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he wrote about when Dawson took over from Terry Wogan on the quiz show

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Blankety Blank. Johnny you did a massive tribute to my dad when you

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wrote that Radio 4 play, I thought it was amazing. Oh cheers, it was a

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massive honour. It was special to me.To play your dad in the radio

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play, which was a complete, apart from Les' lines and things we knew

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Les had said it was a fictional piece but the joke being that Les

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got the presenter's job on Blankety Blank by accident.

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It is a pleasure to be here. In front of a handsome, well`dressed

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audience. I am always polite as well as tone deaf without trouble.

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Him getting that job was such a surprise to everybody when you think

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about the type of show that it was. Terry Wogan was the golden boy and

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it felt like such a hit to give it to somebody like Les. Please don't

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fiddle with your controls on the set. Just because Terry Wogan isn't

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here, doesn't mean your television is broke. I shall do my best to keep

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this show on a high level like you created. What can I say except. .

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This is pretty can `` incredible. This is a manuscript that Charlotte

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and her mum have found very recently. Just before he died, he

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was going to publish this. That is there to treasure but what is really

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sad is there was so much more below the surface with a less. How do you

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feel about the fact that somebody like your dad who is a national

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treasure, what it is like belonging to other people? Almost like

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belonging to the public? When people talk to me, they talk as if they

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know him more than me and I am always going to get that. I have sat

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there for hours watching him on TV. I have read every book, I have had

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to get to know him through all this but I am so lucky in a way because

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he left me such an incredible legacy. But at the end of the day

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all I want is my dad back. Wave to the camera. You won't remember this,

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will you? These days most of us have one of

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these and we are very used to recording video and taking pictures

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of our everyday lives. We are taking footage of weddings, parties and any

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pop concert we go to but what about our final journey? It was the

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American statesman Benjamin Franklin who said, in this world, nothing can

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be said to be certain except death and taxes. Death will come to us all

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eventually but what is surprising is the increasing demand for funerals

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to be captured for posterity. It's much like having a wedding or a

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christening whereby that's a keepsake of a very special day and

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they don't see a funeral as being something that should be forgotten.

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Dennis Harding has been making wedding videos since 1979 but he was

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surprised to get an enquiry about filming a funeral. Well about 1

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months ago we had a call from a photographer who said he'd had an

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enquiry to take photos for a funeral and would we like to do the video?

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And I thought Video of a funeral? I thought in for a penny in for a

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pound, we'll try it. My initial thought was would we get emotionally

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involved? Would we be sad with the mourners, how would we handle it but

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when we got there it just didn't happen like that because we didn't

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know anybody and we didn't get emotionally involved. Yvonne Sims

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lost her 92`year`old father earlier this year. Her daughters live in

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America but still wanted to be part of the service so she got Dennis to

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film it. I don't think it would be for everyone but for me and the

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girls because they've got televisions and you know the size of

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American tellies are like and they'll sit and watch it as though

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they were in the congregation, so they haven't mist it. `` missed it.

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And the thing is, we can keep it like all the Royal films of all the

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kings and prime ministers and goodness knows what they've got

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recordings of. In a way we've got a recording of Dad not to play

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continually and that sort of thing but the younger grandchildren can

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probably play it in years to come and say that was my Granddad's

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funeral. It was very nice and he had got that

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bit of history. I'm pleased I've had it done now as on the day, close

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relatives and with the organisation and everything you miss such a lot

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and it's very emotional. I couldn't look at the curtains going round the

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coffin but with having the video I can sit back as though I'm sitting

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at the back of the congregation and I'm looking down at the pastor. I'm

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hearing the music and I'm actually seeing the curtains going round

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quite unemotional. Colin Bowes and Ronald Edwards or

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Eddie had been best mates for more than 60 years when Eddie suddenly

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died at his home in Australia. He was probably the closest of the old

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friends that I had and once we heard he'd passed away so quickly my first

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thoughts were I wonder should I book a flight? Should I go? And then it

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was a question of I wonder when the funeral's going to be? And then of

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course I was able to talk to his wife and she was quite dismissive of

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any thoughts of going out there either me going out or his sisters

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going out and we're going to do this DVD and we'll send it across.

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Tenderly and reverently, we commit the body of Mr Ronald Edwards to the

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elements and gently give his sole... When you see it, it's a bit

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like being there. You get the lump in the throat, that's for sure. All

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of a sudden you were there and it was all happening and you were part

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of it. I treasure it now, I'm not saying it's something you'd want to

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play every week or so but occasionally and I suppose I should

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on the anniversary, I'd have another look. Every time I watch it, I see

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something else or hear something else that I hadn't picked up on It

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was the final curtain call for their world's most famous pop star.

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Televised funerals were once the preserve of royalty and politicians

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but with the cameras capturing funerals of celebrities like Michael

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Jackson and George Best it was only a matter of time before they caught

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on among the general public. The opportunity to have the occasion

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filmed is now becoming a common request to funeral directors. It is

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increasing and I think over the years it will become even more so

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and when you think about digital technology on the same day that the

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funeral takes place we can send a copy of that video to anywhere in

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the world. A family can actually be part almost of the service and feel

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comforted and I think people find quite a solace in feeling that they

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have been a part of it although physically they've not been able to

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attend. And for Dennis whose job it is to capture the funeral, it's

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certainly made him think more about his own send off. Having witnessed a

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few funerals and listened to the sound of music that they have on for

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my own funeral when it happens, I'd like something a bit more upbeat, a

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bit more jolly so that everyone could go out with a smile on their

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face. That's my idea of a funeral. I shall make it quite clear what I

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need and what I want so everyone would have a jolly laugh and a smile

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on their face from when they go out and they'd think that's him gone out

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of the way. That is all from us for this week but you can catch us again

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on the BBC I player and we are back next Monday at the same time.

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Goodbye. Next week, why an English man's home is his castle. I am the

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last one. I am staying here. Hello, I'm Ellie Crisell with your

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90 second update. More flooding misery. Thousand of homes in

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Berkshire and Surrey are now vulnerable as Thames river levels

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reach record highs. 14 severe flood warnings are in place - meaning

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lives are at risk. Full update at ten. Two men have been convicted of

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helping triple killer Joanna Dennehy. Gary Stretch was found

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guilty of one count of attempted murder. Leslie Leyton was convicted

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