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Hello and welcome to

Inside Out North West

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with me Dianne Oxberry.

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Tonight: Could the emergency

services have acted faster

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on the night of the Manchester Arena

bomb?

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I just kept shouting

"We need paramedics!

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We need paramedics now!"

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How life after top level

sport can be traumatic.

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When you are part of the team.

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It's absolutely brilliant and that

got pulled away from me and it

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had a massive impact

on my mental health.

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And why Liverpool is the star

of a new Hollywood movie.

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Are just want to go back to

Liverpool. Say it again, Peter.

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Liverpool.

Oh! Wow!

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In May a suicide bomber killed 22

people at Manchester Arena.

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Hundreds more were injured.

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Inside Out has learned that some

of the most seriously wounded

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victims had to wait for over an hour

before receiving expert

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medical treatment.

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Colin Paterson, who was one

of the first reporters on the scene,

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also investigates why firefighters

were held back for nearly two hours.

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On May 22nd, Salman Abedi made his

way to the Manchester Arena.

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He waited in the foyer of the Arena

for the Ariana Grande

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concert to finish.

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As fans started streaming out,

Abedi detonated a suicide device.

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There was rubble, dust,

smoke everywhere and then

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there was just screaming.

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There was rubble, dust,

smoke everywhere and then

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there was just screaming.

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There was just too much for just

three paramedics to deal with.

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That night, emergency services

treated hundreds of people,

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many of whom had suffered

life changing injuries.

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But we have learned that some

of the most seriously wounded had

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to wait for more than an hour

for expert medical treatment.

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12 months before the bomb,

a training exercise was staged

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at the Trafford Centre,

on the outskirts of Manchester.

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Authorities were pleased

with how it had gone.

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We are delighted.

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The aim of the exercise

was to really stress test

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all of the organisations that

would respond to a terror attack.

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But what happened on May 22nd when

a real terror attack took place?

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Abedi triggered his

bomb at 10.31 pm.

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I was here in Manchester that night.

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In the immediate aftermath,

I was here for BBC Five Live,

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trying to piece together

what had happened.

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Everybody started running as fast as

we could.

The building shook. Bodies

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everywhere.

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How long were you there for?

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Probably an hour.

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So on the night, people

were telling me, that some

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of the injured were waiting

an hour for treatment.

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Shortly after 11 o'clock,

most walking wounded had been

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evacuated from the Arena foyer,

here to Victoria Station approach.

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Ambulance crews from across England

treated the injured who'd been able

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to escape the scene.

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But for those in the foyer,

expert help was still very limited.

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Before the police cordon

was made secure, only one

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North West Ambulance service

paramedic made it into the foyer.

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Over the next hour, two more

paramedics were able to join him.

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But eye witnesses we've talked

to say that far more help

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was desperately needed.

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Kim and Phil Dick from Bradford

were in the foyer to collect

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their daughter and granddaughter.

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Seconds after the explosion a victim

with serious injuries

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collapsed in front of Kim.

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She could hardly walk,

she was stumbling, bleeding

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from her arm, and her mouth

and her leg.

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And all her hair was burnt

and I just grabbed her,

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because I thought she was

going to fall.

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How long was this over?

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It's over an hour,

just over an hour.

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And I just kept saying you've been

really brave but we could hear

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the ambulances all the time.

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As time passed, concern

grew about the lack

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of paramedics in the foyer.

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The armed police came running in,

normal police, armed

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police and you know,

I just kept shouting

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"We need paramedics!

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We need paramedics now!"

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And they just said,

"We're just making sure

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there are no more bombs".

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An hour after the explosion,

the wounded in the foyer

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were still only receiving basic

first aid, rather than

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expert paramedic help.

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The longer it went on the more

silent it became and it was,

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it was really eerie and people

who I had seen a little

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earlier, who were severely

injured, were now dead.

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They made a decision at some point,

about an hour and ten minutes

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after the explosion,

I think, that the medical staff

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weren't coming up to foyer

but were going to evacuate

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all the casualties.

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The girl they looked

after did survive.

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Security fears may explain why only

three paramedics could enter

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the so-called "hot zone"

where the bomb had gone off.

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But it's harder to understand

the delay in the arrival

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of Fire and Rescue staff.

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Commanders on the night held fire

and rescue staff back

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at their stations until 12.18am.

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Fully one hour and 47

minutes after the blast.

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The fire service made

a decision to go to a RV point

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which is what is normal practice

as did the ambulance service.

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The ambulance service were called

forward and at this stage I am

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unsure as to why the fire service

were delayed so long.

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Greater Manchester Fire

and Rescue Service's has

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a Technical Response Unit These

are people trained specifically

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to deal with terrorist situations.

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That Unit took part in the Trafford

Centre exercise last year.

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It's still uncertain

who on the night made the decision

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not to deploy that unit.

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Save the UK Fire Service is the

leading firefighters' online forum.

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On the evening of the bomb,

Greater Manchester firemen

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vented their frustration

on the pages of the site.

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They were frustrated that they were

not being sent to the arena.

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I've been a firefighter

in Manchester for nearly ten years.

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And I've never ever felt so much

guilt in all my life.

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We were only half a mile

away from helping.

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Half a mile away from

potentially saving lives.

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And that will always

stick with me forever.

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A paramedic lady came to us,

pleading with us to help.

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because they needed it.

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This firefighter, who is not based

in Manchester, runs the site.

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If the firemen had been deployed,

how much use could they have been?

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Well every fire engine carries

immediate emergency care medical

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packs and every firefighter

is trained in the use of those.

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We're not a replacement

for the ambulance service,

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but certainly we can relieve

the pressure on an ambulance crew.

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Those trapped in the foyer that

night remain very grateful that

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so many people were willing

to put their own lives at risk

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to help save lives of others.

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But almost six months on,

some remain concerned that emergency

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medical help was so slow to arrive.

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They want to minimise the risk

to as many people as possible,

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I perfectly understand that.

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But they deployed tens if not

hundreds of police officers

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into that foyer and into the arena

and if some of those had been

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medically trained, then,

you can't say for certain,

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but some people's injuries

could have been dealt

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with quicker and perhaps,

just perhaps, some lives

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could have been saved.

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You've got this golden hour.

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In that hour they need

to be treated...

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Immediate care needs to be given.

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That improves peoples'

chances of survival.

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But one man who collected his son

from the Arena, believes

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the authorities did the absolute

best that they could.

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You'd like every single medic every

doctor that was in Manchester should

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have been there and they would have

liked to have been there.

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And everybody would have been

in there helping everybody

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and nobody would have died.

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But it couldn't happen.

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The mayor of Greater Manchester,

Andy Burnham has now set up

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an Independent Review under

Lord Kerslake to learn lessons

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from the events in May.

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It's due to report next year.

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There was a feeling at the time

that the wrong call

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was made in those moments.

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Now it seems to me that there

is some substance to that

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and it was one of the reasons why

the independent review was set up.

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But it's not about feelings is it?

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That's the point, isn't it?

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It's about "what is the evidence?"

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It's about "what is the evidence?"

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and that evidence is being

looked at by the review.

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Those in charge of the emergency

services after Abedi's bomb in May

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faced a horrific dilemma.

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Save lives by deploying

as quickly as possible

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but while there was still the risk

of a second explosion.

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Or wait until the scene

could be declared safe,

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but accept that this would delay

urgent treatment to the bomb

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victims as a result.

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We contacted all the emergency

services and they gave us

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these written responses.

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North West Ambulance Service told

us, its staff are fully insured to

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attend terrorist related incidents.

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Greater Manchester Fire

and Rescue said it has

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conducted its own debrief

of the organisation's response

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to the Manchester Arena Attack

and is cooperating fully

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with the Kerslake Review.

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Greater Manchester Police told

us that they contacted

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the North West Ambulance Service

within three minutes of the incident

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being declared and they followed

their major incident plan.

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None of these organisations

wanted to appear in this

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film while the Kerslake

review is ongoing.

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The life of a professional

sportsman - or woman -

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can be incredibly glamorous:

the fame, the financial

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rewards, the adulation.

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But what happens to all that

when they've stopped competing?

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Our reporter is former

athlete Diane Modahl.

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Or, as she was known

when she was winning gold

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in the Commonwealth

Games, Diane Edwards.

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Commentator: Diane

Edwards, in Lane 3...

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Those were the days.

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I've always thought

that a sporting career

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is like running

a long distance race.

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Running wide of the Australians.

They come up now. Is it fast enough?

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Occasionally there will be barriers

along the way ? there may

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be falls but there'll

also be fantastic highs.

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The Australians are recovering now.

They are into the wind...

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So what actually happens

when you reach the finishing line ?

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sometimes I think that can be

the hardest part of all.

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Danny Sculthorpe was

a successful prop forward

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with Wigan and England ? for him

rugby league was everything ?

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especially when it was a big game.

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The hairs on the back

of your neck are on end.

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The adrenaline that's

going through your body

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is absolutely unbelievable.

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I can't explain how good it was.

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It was brilliant,

absolutely brilliant.

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But towards the end of his career

Danny had serious injury problems

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and when his final club,

Bradford Bulls tore up his contract

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in 2010, he was devastated.

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He was just 31.

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I lost my job.

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I lost my career.

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I lost our family house

and I had two young kids

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and a wife that I couldn't support.

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And that's when the

depression started.

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I know for a long, long time I did

what most men do when they struggle

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with mental health issues.

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I kept it to myself -

I thought I will deal with it.

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I'm supposed to be this 6 feet 4,

17 and a half stone rugby league

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prop forward and I can't tell

someone I am struggling

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with mental health issues.

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I found myself in

the middle of Wigan

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in my car with a bottle of gin

and a box full of pills that

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would have killed half of the town

and I was going to take my own life

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- now for some reason I didn't.

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I was just lucky that you know

I decided not to do it on that

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time, that occasion.

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I remember coming home and that's

the day after that when my mum

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and dad and my wife sat me down

and you know call me out on it

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and changed my life, saved my life.

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Danny's experience is actually not

that unusual in the world

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of professional sport,

as neurologist and former footballer

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Tony Faulkner told me.

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If they haven't developed options

and opportunities to transition

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into a further a career,

then their brain can

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go into a threat state

and their thought process can

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become more negative,

can become more irrational and more

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impulsive and that can lead

to many issues including

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clinical depression,

we are aware of certain athletes

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who have taken their life

because of their loss of identity

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that retirement brings.

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And

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As an amateur boxer, Natasha Jonas

won a stack of titles,

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including European Championship Gold

and World Championship Bronze.

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She made history at London 2012

when she became the first British

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woman to box in the Olympics.

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Boxing is just a skill

but you learn so much more.

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And you learn a lot of life

skills being in the gym.

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There was loads

of little milestones.

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Obviously, the Olympics was by far

my greatest boxing achievement.

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But then a foot injury led to defeat

in the Commonwealth games,

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and failure to qualify

for the Rio Olympics.

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Natasha made the decision to retire.

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Can I do it for another four years?

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And I came to the conclusion

that I couldn't.

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My time was done.

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I don't think I could've

been that athlete again

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so I thought, now's the time.

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Natasha started to prepare

for life outside the ring.

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She found work with sports

organisations and broadcasters.

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And there was another

compelling reason for Natasha

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to re-appraise her future plans.

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She was pregnant with

her daughter, Meela.

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I had a whole new world and I kept

myself busy with the baby

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kept myself busy with new companies,

busy with work.

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For the first year of her life

you're trying to get her

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into a routine just generally

so my mind was off what I needed

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to do cos it was so focussed on her.

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Despite the perception

that she had it all, the pull

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of boxing proved too powerful.

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When I left boxing I

realised that that routine

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was the thing I missed.

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The thing that I said I hated,

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I actually missed the most.

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I'd left boxing on a bit of a low.

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I hadn't gone to Rio,

I'd got beaten in the Commonwealth

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games and I should've won a medal.

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So my drive was that I had

unfinished business with it.

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And once I'd got over

the physical stuff I thought,

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no, I've still got it.

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And so earlier this year

she turned professional.

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Working with Manchester trainer

Joe Gallagher, she's already

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won her first three fights.

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Ben Burgess is known

to these schoolchildren

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at Hawes Side Academy in Blackpool

as their favourite teacher.

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If the

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But to thousands of football fans

he's remembered as a striker

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at nearby Bloomfield Road.

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His 14-year career took him to no

fewer than ten clubs ?

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including Blackburn,

Oldham and Stockport.

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But after years of wear and tear ?

and 21 operations on his knees,

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Ben realised in 2012

that he wouldn't be able to fulfil

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a new contract he'd just

signed with Tranmere.

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When your body can't do

what your mind wants it to do it's

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the most frustrating thing

in the world.

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We just wrote the two years

of my contract off and that was it

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we just sort of parted.

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And I was pretty emotional

at the time, it was a lot to take

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in and as I was driving home

from Liverpool I had to stop the car

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and gather my thoughts.

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The key factor which helped

with Ben's transition

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into the real world was that -

unlike most athletes -

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he'd planned ahead.

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I always had in the back

of my mind that I was

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going to need something.

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I managed to get

a journalism degree.

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And was doing a bit of freelancing

while I was still playing.

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As I knew my career was coming

to an end it was "what can I do

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with my qualifications?"

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Someone mentioned if

you've got a degree

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you can do a PGCE and become

a qualified primary school teacher.

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You could say that Ben's transition

from footballer to school

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teacher is a lesson for all.

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Whilst they are competing,

it's important

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for them to have other interests

outside that sport.

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That allows them to switch

off ? it's cathartic.

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What it also gives them

is an insight into another world,

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another interest which can then lead

into their transition when they come

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to the end of their career.

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Danny Sculthorpe's

in a good place now.

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His failed suicide attempt proved

to be a turning point.

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My family mean everything to me.

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Absolutely everything.

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I could have done something stupid

that day, and spoilt it -

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could have ruined their lives.

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So to see them growing up, healthy,

just means the world to me.

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I absolutely love them to bits.

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He's now working with State of Mind

? a mental health charity.

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We have spoke to 27,000 people

over the last 6 years.

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28 people have told us that

because of one of our sessions

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they have changed their mind

about taking their own life

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which is absolutely unbelievable.

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Family life is at the centre

of Natasha Jonas' world too ?

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and she's a winner once again.

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But she knows the day will come

when retirement beckons once more.

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It is scary ? but I can't

walk away from boxing.

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I don't think I'll 100% ever

leave - I'll always have

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something to do with it.

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Children are at the heart

of Ben Burgess's daily life too.

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Football's in the past ? he's

concentrating on developing

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the citizens of the future.

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I don't want the children

to see that you're either

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clever or you're not,

or you're talented or you're not.

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They've got to see

how hard you work.

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It's clear that some

athletes handle the move

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into retirement better than others.

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But for me, there is a duty of care

for everybody involved in running

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sport to ensure that our athletes

can make that transition

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as easily as possible.

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There's a bit of an Oscar buzz

about a new movie called

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Film Stars Don't Die in Liverpool

which is out later this

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month and stars Annette

Benning and Jamie Bell.

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It tells the remarkable

true story of a man -

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whose life was turned upside down

when he met and fell

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in love with a Hollywood

superstar back in the 1970s.

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I've been to meet him.

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and drink, you can hustle with me, I

need a banana for my dance class.

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If you fix me a drink I will come in

and fix your bathroom.

It is a

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classic man meets woman love story.

She was a former Hollywood screen

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goddess and he was a local Liverpool

lad. Far-fetched? Maybe, but this is

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a true story. It begins and the like

1970s.

Gloria came to do a play in

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London. She came to rent this ground

floor apartment in this house and I

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was at the top of the house.

Where

you are aware of who she was

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immediately?

No. I knew... Gloria

Grahame, I just didn't really know.

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I hadn't seen any of her films.

What

the young Peter Turner hadn't

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realised was that 20 years earlier

Gloria Grahame was at the top of the

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Hollywood tree. She had starred in

classics like It's A Wonderful Life,

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Oklahoma, and played a femme fatale

to Leeds like Humphrey Bogart and

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Lee Marvin. By the time she met

Peter she was on a Saturday night TV

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show. She admitted she has been cast

against type in one of her most

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famous roles.

# I'm just a girl who can't say no,

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I'm in a terrible fix #.

He asked if I could sing, I said no,

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he said of course you sing, I said I

don't. He said, you sing in the

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shower? I said no, I couldn't carry

a note in a bucket.

We just

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connected. There was a big age

difference in the relationship. At

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that time it was controversial. She

didn't play the film star, movie

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star, Schuster travel around the

bus, the Tube, weight in queues, or

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things like that. -- she used to

travel around on the bus, the Tube,

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wait in queues.

The final dramatic

scenes would be played out in

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Liverpool. Gloria would spend her

last days here, and Peter's family

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home near Sefton Park. It all

followed a phone call from the Dukes

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Theatre in Lancaster. That phone

call that came to this house, what

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did it say to you?

What does it say?

It was very brief. I was told she

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was very ill. I said how ill? They

said very, and could I come

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immediately. She came to Liverpool

when the chips were down. A place

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where she felt safe. She wanted to

get better. It was futile. I think

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that really now she knew she was

going to die. She knew she had left

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it late.

Peter eventually wrote a

moving account of the difficult days

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that followed, and the two fabulous

years which preceded them. The book

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was published in 1986 and now it has

been turned into a book starring --

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film starring Annette Bening and

Jamie Bell as Peter.

We expected the

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Gloria Grahame from Birkenhead, not

the one from the picture Palace, we

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never expected that one in our

kitchen making a bacon sandwich

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asking for tomato sauce.

CHUCKLES

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Mattress from Manchester, his many

successes include the film Control,

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about Ian Curtis from Joy Division.

He's very much at home with great

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Northern stories. -- Matt is from

Manchester.

I immediately felt

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warmth toward it. Especially his

family, Bella, Joan, and that

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Northern set up, kind and loving and

as soon as you have got that you

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have got more of Peter. I think this

book was him letting a lot of stuff

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out. Therefore it was easy for me to

get to the truth of what his

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character was.

Once he had seen the

script and read Peter's book, Jamie

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Bell was determined to get to know

the real Peter Turner.

It is the

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relationship that has meant the most

him. It has affected him the most. I

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would spend many hours with him just

sitting down, probably asking him

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the pointless questions, but to me

they're meant everything. As he

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would recount these tales, you can

see is reliving every moment.

Has

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anyone ever told you you look like

Lauren Bacall when you smile?

Yes,

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Humphrey Bogart, I didn't like it

then, either.

This is it. This is

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the backstage at the Playhouse,

fantastic, isn't it?

When Gloria was

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seriously ill at his family home,

Peter was appearing in a play at the

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Playhouse. The theatre is the

location of one of the most moving

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scenes in the film and Peter has a

small cameo.

It was so strange, you

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know? Surreal today on a stage with

Jamie.

Being you.

Being me. Playing

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that part. And with a -- and with

Annette playing Gloria, it was like

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a kind of Time Capsule, really.

Where am I? What's going on? Life is

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full of surprises.

Another star of

the film is Liverpool itself.

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Huskisson Street doubles up as a

road in London. And the famous

0:25:420:25:47

Philharmonic pub does a turn as a

London bar. The Turner family home

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has moved to a terrorist

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-- the Turner family home has moved

to a terraced stomach Street.

They

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said would I to be able to lend my

home to them? I said yes. They made

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it a lot more old-fashioned.

They

repainted?

They repainted my door.

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How did you feel about it?

It was

OK, because they put it back again.

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Annette Bening films in the bedroom.

And Jamie Bell needed a favour.

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There was a scene over the road

where they had rain coming down.

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They had to come and get dried. He

put all of his clothes in the tumble

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dryer.

You've had Annette Bening in

the bedroom and you have had Jamie

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Bell's clothes in your tumble dryer?

Yes, it was lovely.

We would

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basically take over streets,

people's houses.

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CHUCKLES

Playing football with the kids in

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the streets. Just lovely, lovely

people. Very lucky to be able to get

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to shoot there.

Then there was the

crucial job of being able to do

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Liverpool accent.

It's tricky

accent. It's a melodic, sing song,

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very specific sound, there is a

certain personality that goes with

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that. It was a bit of a test, yes,

kind of tricky.

31 years after

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writing his book, and 36 years after

he'd last seen Gloria, Peter Turner

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finally got to see the film. He

watched it at a private screening

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with the producer.

At the end of the

screening, Barbara had to be. I said

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I just wanted to sit by myself.

Barbara left her seat. She gave me a

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big cuddle because I was in bits.

Such a significant part of your

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life, isn't it?

Yes. It will always

be defining. The whole period, the

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whole relationship, you know, kind

of, it has given me so much. To find

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who I am.

The film is a heartfelt

tribute to Peter Turner's love

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affair with a remarkable woman. A

relationship which took a young man

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on a journey which changed his life.

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And the film is released

on the 17th of November!

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Inside Out is back in

the New Year ? see you then.

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