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Desperate for Dover ` we look back at a summer of illegal migr`nts in | :00:07. | :00:14. | |
Calais. They are fed up bec`use nobody tries to change anything and | :00:15. | :00:18. | |
we are left as a city alone and blamed for not doing anything. | :00:19. | :00:23. | |
From top model to war photographer ` we look at Lee Miller's lifd at | :00:24. | :00:27. | |
Folly farm in Sussex. She g`ve the impression of being a useless drunk. | :00:28. | :00:32. | |
I was astonished when my late wife, Susanna, found this stash that | :00:33. | :00:37. | |
contained most of Lee's work. And getting to the bottom of the | :00:38. | :00:41. | |
sewage problem in Thanet thhs summer. Nobody wants to talk about | :00:42. | :00:47. | |
this horrible thing. We flush and forget and then we tend to think | :00:48. | :00:52. | |
everything is the responsibhlity of the water company. | :00:53. | :00:55. | |
I'm Natalie Graham, with untold stories closer to home. Frol all | :00:56. | :00:59. | |
around the south`east, this is Inside Out. | :01:00. | :01:18. | |
Tonight, we are at Farley F`rm in the rural heart of East Sussex. I'm | :01:19. | :01:25. | |
back here later. First, for years, the French have struggled whth the | :01:26. | :01:29. | |
problem of migrants trying to illegally break into the UK via | :01:30. | :01:35. | |
Dover. But this summer, things have been particularly bad and the Mayor | :01:36. | :01:38. | |
of Calais is at the end of her tether. | :01:39. | :01:49. | |
They have travelled for thotsands of miles from some of the poordst and | :01:50. | :01:55. | |
most dangerous parts of the world. Pakistan, Syria and refugee camps in | :01:56. | :02:04. | |
Africa. Now they are near the end of their journey. There is just one | :02:05. | :02:08. | |
last major obstacle, the English Channel. And their only hopd to | :02:09. | :02:19. | |
cross it is to come here, to Calais. They are so near and yet so far from | :02:20. | :02:24. | |
their final destination. Now, many migrants are frustrated, and local | :02:25. | :02:29. | |
people have had to watch as they demonstrate their anger on the | :02:30. | :02:36. | |
streets of Calais. They havd also been watching in the Mayor's office | :02:37. | :02:39. | |
that you can see in the distance, and they are fed up with wh`t they | :02:40. | :02:43. | |
see. They are fed up becausd nobody tries to change anything, and we are | :02:44. | :02:49. | |
left as a city alone and bl`med for not doing anything. So fed tp, in | :02:50. | :02:54. | |
fact, that he is planning to ask the 75,000 people who live in C`lais to | :02:55. | :02:58. | |
get into their cars and block the entrance to their own pot. H don't | :02:59. | :03:04. | |
know if we will have 75,000 people of Calais coming to the port, but I | :03:05. | :03:09. | |
am sure thousands will be there You can imagine the result. You are | :03:10. | :03:12. | |
suggesting that the citizens of Calais would drive to the port | :03:13. | :03:16. | |
entrance and looked for an hour or two? We just have to take otr cars, | :03:17. | :03:22. | |
go there and stop. What would the police do? The migrants havd been a | :03:23. | :03:26. | |
problem in Calais for years but in the last few months, things have | :03:27. | :03:33. | |
been getting worse. They ard getting under the axle. There are two of | :03:34. | :03:38. | |
them. In March, BBC South E`st Today and young men desperate enotgh to | :03:39. | :03:42. | |
climb onto the axles of lorries driving back to the UK. Othdrs | :03:43. | :03:46. | |
risked their lives in the btsy shipping lanes of the English | :03:47. | :03:48. | |
Channel by crossing on home`made rafts. TRANSLATION: Until I am at my | :03:49. | :03:55. | |
destination, I will do it again and again. There is no other wax to get | :03:56. | :04:01. | |
to England. But things were going to get worse in the months to come | :04:02. | :04:17. | |
The camps where many migrants live is nicknamed the jungle. I could | :04:18. | :04:27. | |
sense that people were perh`ps a little suspicious of me at first, | :04:28. | :04:30. | |
but it was not long before H felt accepting. This is the camp | :04:31. | :04:39. | |
restaurant. They are cooking lunch and they will charge a small price | :04:40. | :04:43. | |
for people to eat. The question is, where does all this and? Will the | :04:44. | :04:50. | |
politicians solve it in timd? Time is the one thing these people feel | :04:51. | :04:59. | |
they do not have. And that feeling that time is not on their shde has | :05:00. | :05:04. | |
led to tension that are simlering beneath the surface and that have | :05:05. | :05:12. | |
got a lot worse this summer. Things are boiling in every corner. It is | :05:13. | :05:15. | |
boiling between the people hn Calais. We don't like the mhgrants. | :05:16. | :05:19. | |
It is boiling with the police who are at their rope trying to stop the | :05:20. | :05:23. | |
migrants from coming in. It is boiling among the migrants, who are | :05:24. | :05:28. | |
competing for the few spots to go to England. Things boiled over in May, | :05:29. | :05:35. | |
when the French police tried to clear the camps by force. Some | :05:36. | :05:44. | |
migrants then went on hunger strike, prepared to sacrifice their | :05:45. | :05:49. | |
lives to try and force the British government to let them into the | :05:50. | :05:55. | |
country. You are proper to dig? Yeah. `` prepared to die. At while | :05:56. | :06:03. | |
system for asylum seekers in the two countries is by and large the same, | :06:04. | :06:06. | |
the money they get is not. Hn the UK, they would get around ?36 a | :06:07. | :06:11. | |
week. In France, it is more, around ?65 a week, although there will be | :06:12. | :06:18. | |
more red tape. So why don't migrants claim asylum in France and stay in | :06:19. | :06:23. | |
France? The deputy mayor saxs they do tell them how to claim asylum and | :06:24. | :06:27. | |
get benefits, but he believds it is the criminal gangs who make money | :06:28. | :06:31. | |
out of these people who tell them that life is better in Engl`nd and | :06:32. | :06:35. | |
not to listen to the French. Have got the Mafia saying, don't believe | :06:36. | :06:40. | |
what they say. You must go to England. And the migrant dods not | :06:41. | :06:47. | |
believe what we say. They still believe they have to go to Dngland. | :06:48. | :06:51. | |
From the get go, their point was to go to England. That is wherd they | :06:52. | :06:56. | |
hear life is good. Maybe it is a myth, but it is a myth that is | :06:57. | :07:02. | |
injuring. Also, they speak ` little bit of English or a lot of Dnglish. | :07:03. | :07:07. | |
Not all of them, but most of them. That makes it easier. French, for | :07:08. | :07:11. | |
some reason, frightens them to learn. I spoke to people in a camp | :07:12. | :07:15. | |
about why they wanted to get to England. My family lives in | :07:16. | :07:20. | |
England. That is why England and not France is. It is interesting to meet | :07:21. | :07:27. | |
people who have clearly been to college and speak English. Ht adds | :07:28. | :07:30. | |
is one of the questions abott why people want to come to Engl`nd and | :07:31. | :07:35. | |
do not want to claim asylum in France. He speaks English and has | :07:36. | :07:41. | |
family in England. And so the summer of madness has continued. Young men | :07:42. | :07:46. | |
have begun climbing the fivd metre high security fence in broad | :07:47. | :07:51. | |
daylight, oblivious to the risk And more outrageous than that, last | :07:52. | :07:56. | |
week, hundreds stormed Calahs port to try and force their way onto | :07:57. | :08:00. | |
ferries. Perhaps not surprising then, that the Mayor of Cal`is wants | :08:01. | :08:04. | |
to take the extraordinary step of asking the people of Calais to block | :08:05. | :08:09. | |
the port to try to force thd British government, the European Unhon and | :08:10. | :08:13. | |
even the United Nations to help to their concerns. We must be | :08:14. | :08:19. | |
listened. At the moment, evdrybody disregards Calais and the m`yor of | :08:20. | :08:26. | |
Calais. It is unfair. It is strange that the Mayor of Calais wotld | :08:27. | :08:30. | |
threaten to do something illegal. I guess he just wants to make a point | :08:31. | :08:33. | |
that things need to be changed, and they do need to be changed. But | :08:34. | :08:43. | |
maybe there are other ways to do it. So Calais is fed up with thd | :08:44. | :08:47. | |
problem. It remains to be sden how far there are prepared to go to put | :08:48. | :08:51. | |
it back in the hands of the British. It is a sobering thought th`t these | :08:52. | :08:56. | |
people are prepared to risk everything to get to the UK. | :08:57. | :09:10. | |
Mark Norman reporting. Coming up: Should our beaches close because of | :09:11. | :09:16. | |
sewage? There is a whole series of things that are said which `re very | :09:17. | :09:19. | |
misleading. We talk about r`w sewage being dumped on the beaches. That is | :09:20. | :09:24. | |
not the case. Lee Miller was a native New Yorker | :09:25. | :09:29. | |
and international style icon and a ground`breaking photographer. Her | :09:30. | :09:32. | |
home was a magnet for the world s greatest artist is, and that home | :09:33. | :09:45. | |
was here in Sussex. Hidden `way in a Sussex backwater of Muddles Green is | :09:46. | :09:52. | |
Farley Farm House. In the 1860s and 70s, it was the home of Sir Roland | :09:53. | :09:56. | |
and Lady Penrose. But Lady Penrose is better known as Lee Milldr. Her | :09:57. | :10:02. | |
dinner parties were attended by some of the world's most famous `rtists. | :10:03. | :10:09. | |
At the weekend, they used to be a tremendous commotion and thdy would | :10:10. | :10:14. | |
arrive, mostly by car. And they would bring with them this whole | :10:15. | :10:19. | |
crowd of people who mostly did not speak English. They were grdat fun | :10:20. | :10:24. | |
to be around. I had no idea that some of these people were the | :10:25. | :10:30. | |
greatest artist of the last century. Picasso and Man Ray were just | :10:31. | :10:36. | |
currency here. They were very much part of our lives. Around this | :10:37. | :10:42. | |
table, you would have found the most wonderful mix of people, yotng | :10:43. | :10:49. | |
artists, established artists, publishers, poets, filmmakers, all | :10:50. | :10:53. | |
the people you could think of. They were always chatting away and | :10:54. | :10:59. | |
cooking up new ideas. It is almost certain that here was where pop art | :11:00. | :11:05. | |
started, when Richard Hamilton started a series of experimdnts | :11:06. | :11:11. | |
which ended up with pop art. So who exactly was Lee Miller, who could | :11:12. | :11:14. | |
bring the celebrities of thd art world to Sussex? Born in 1907 in | :11:15. | :11:23. | |
upstate New York, Lee was dhscovered by the Vogue publisher Condd Nast | :11:24. | :11:27. | |
himself, when he saved her from being knocked down by a car. She | :11:28. | :11:35. | |
became a Vogue cover girl. She moved to Paris, where she first mdt Roland | :11:36. | :11:39. | |
Penrose. But it was surrealhst photographer Man Ray who thdn became | :11:40. | :11:43. | |
her lover, and together thex discovered the photographic | :11:44. | :11:50. | |
technique called solarisation. After splitting from Ray, she started her | :11:51. | :11:53. | |
own photo studio in New York and completed the move from in front of | :11:54. | :11:58. | |
two behind the lens by workhng for Vogue again. By the time war broke | :11:59. | :12:07. | |
out, she was living in London with Roland and she wanted to pl`y her | :12:08. | :12:12. | |
part in the fight against the Nazis. She got involved in the war because | :12:13. | :12:17. | |
I think she was very conscious of her friends left behind in France, | :12:18. | :12:22. | |
about to be overwhelmed by the Nazis. Eventually, her camera became | :12:23. | :12:27. | |
her weapon of choice. Nobodx was going to give her a gun, so she used | :12:28. | :12:33. | |
a camera and eventually, shd became accredited and then she was | :12:34. | :12:37. | |
photographing in Normandy soon after D`Day and across Europe. Led's photo | :12:38. | :12:42. | |
assignments revealed that she was not only a photographer, but a | :12:43. | :12:47. | |
talented writer, sending reports back from the front line. The | :12:48. | :12:52. | |
building we were in and the others which faced the fort were bding spat | :12:53. | :12:55. | |
at now, ping, bang, hitting above our window into the next. F`st, | :12:56. | :13:01. | |
queer noise. Impact before the gun noise itself, hundreds of rounds | :13:02. | :13:05. | |
crossing and recrossing where we were. I sheltered, squatting under | :13:06. | :13:12. | |
the ramparts. My heel ground into a dead, detached hand and I ctrsed the | :13:13. | :13:17. | |
Germans for the ugly destruction they had conjured up in this once | :13:18. | :13:26. | |
beautiful town. Tony grew up unaware of what his mother had achidved but | :13:27. | :13:31. | |
after her death, a chance dhscovery here at the farmhouse changdd | :13:32. | :13:35. | |
everything. During her lifetime she gave the impression of being a | :13:36. | :13:39. | |
useless drunk most of the thme, to me. When she died, I was astonished | :13:40. | :13:46. | |
when my late wife Susanna wdnt up into the attic and found thhs stash | :13:47. | :13:52. | |
of cardboard boxes that contained most of Lee's work. There wdre | :13:53. | :13:59. | |
60,000 negatives. It was a total life change, because I was | :14:00. | :14:02. | |
commissioned to write the bhography of Lee Miller and that led le into | :14:03. | :14:06. | |
research. I found out a lot of things. I had given myself ` mum I | :14:07. | :14:12. | |
had not known, and that feels good to this day. As only one of very few | :14:13. | :14:17. | |
women photographers on the front line, Lee captured some startling | :14:18. | :14:20. | |
images with what today seems very committed equipment. Carole Callow | :14:21. | :14:25. | |
has spent the last 20 years printing Lee Miller's photographs. | :14:26. | :14:42. | |
You did not see the results of the photograph until literally the film | :14:43. | :14:46. | |
was sent back. Maybe weeks `fter the event. | :14:47. | :14:57. | |
After travelling with the advancing allied armies across Europe into | :14:58. | :14:59. | |
the heart of Germany, in 1945 she found herself billeted in what was | :15:00. | :15:02. | |
It was there that she creatdd one of her most famous images. | :15:03. | :15:06. | |
This image is one of the more iconic images of Lee Miller. It was taken | :15:07. | :15:32. | |
on the evening that she and David Schoeman visited Dachau | :15:33. | :15:40. | |
concentration camp. There is an element of the image | :15:41. | :15:41. | |
concentration camp. There is an element of the image being set up | :15:42. | :15:48. | |
with the statue being there and Hitler's photograph on the bath as | :15:49. | :15:54. | |
well. But one thing you cannot take away is the fact that her roots and | :15:55. | :15:59. | |
clothes have made his Christian bath mat absolutely filthy. `` pristine. | :16:00. | :16:17. | |
Her photography of the liberation of the camp is rated as some of the | :16:18. | :16:24. | |
most remarkable pictures to come out of the war. And when we realise that | :16:25. | :16:30. | |
in that moment she was lookhng for the faces of her friends who had | :16:31. | :16:35. | |
gone missing from Paris, because they had been taken by the Nazis, we | :16:36. | :16:40. | |
realise how personal that w`s. This was a train. It had been discovered | :16:41. | :16:50. | |
by the liberators and it contained over 3000 prisoners, but thd | :16:51. | :16:57. | |
liberators found only one strvivor. All the rest had died. She hs | :16:58. | :17:05. | |
actually going light on othdrs. She is not showing us some of the most | :17:06. | :17:09. | |
excoriating the horrible pictures that she had. She was not after | :17:10. | :17:16. | |
sensationalism. She destroydd a law of the negatives at the end of the | :17:17. | :17:22. | |
war and she said to the darkroom assistant who tried to stop her I | :17:23. | :17:27. | |
don't want anybody to ever have two see everything that I saw. But I | :17:28. | :17:32. | |
will leave enough so that you can understand. We all know, whdn we see | :17:33. | :17:38. | |
something really traumatic, there is no race button. It stays in our | :17:39. | :17:40. | |
memories for ever. `` erase button. After the war ended Lee strtggled | :17:41. | :17:51. | |
to find a new direction, fashion photography no longer had the same | :17:52. | :17:54. | |
appeal after the intensity of her By then she was already | :17:55. | :17:56. | |
suffering from what we now call post`traumatic stress syndrome | :17:57. | :18:00. | |
was drinking heavily. After a few years' wandering she | :18:01. | :18:06. | |
returned to Roland in London. Roland Penrose, was one | :18:07. | :18:12. | |
of the most important figurds A close friend | :18:13. | :18:15. | |
of Picasso he founded The Institute Lee Roland married in 1947 | :18:16. | :18:19. | |
and bought Farley Farm. Although Miller struggled whth her | :18:20. | :18:26. | |
demons she did not stand sthll, she had another reinvention | :18:27. | :18:40. | |
of herself to conjure up she became a celebrated gourmet cook, | :18:41. | :18:44. | |
writing books hosting dinner Her dishes were spectacular. There | :18:45. | :18:59. | |
would be a great anticipation as to what was coming next. Somethmes it | :19:00. | :19:07. | |
was completely wrong course. `` bonkers. Totally bonkers and | :19:08. | :19:14. | |
wonderful. known than she was when she was | :19:15. | :19:34. | |
alive. Since her death in 1877 and the rediscovery of her work shortly | :19:35. | :19:39. | |
afterwards her photographs have the world. Lee's granddaughter Ami | :19:40. | :19:41. | |
is a trustee of the archive. So many people want to learn so much | :19:42. | :19:55. | |
more. And for me, there is so much more. | :19:56. | :20:01. | |
So much of her belongs to so many other people. I see this by the way | :20:02. | :20:07. | |
people respond, writing a Ph.D. On her and things like that. It is | :20:08. | :20:13. | |
deeply inspiring for me. But at the same time it is not the person who | :20:14. | :20:23. | |
inwardly in my heart I know, that is a private place that nobody will | :20:24. | :20:24. | |
ever write a Ph.D. About. Over the summer you would think that | :20:25. | :20:40. | |
a trip to the seaside would be perfect. Except if you went to | :20:41. | :20:45. | |
Thanet. We found out why. It is the summer season comhng to an | :20:46. | :21:03. | |
end and you would imagine a jet ski company like this would celdbrate a | :21:04. | :21:08. | |
great year. But despite the great weather, they have lost mondy. Stay | :21:09. | :21:16. | |
out of the water again. Angdr as Southern water discharges sdwage | :21:17. | :21:19. | |
into the sea. Again, we are out of business. | :21:20. | :21:27. | |
It could not have happened `t a worse time. Temperatures were | :21:28. | :21:32. | |
soaring and the summer holidays had just started yet nine of Th`net s | :21:33. | :21:41. | |
beaches were effectively closed The impact was a loss of earnings, | :21:42. | :21:49. | |
in the cafes, for these guys on their jet skis, it absolutely ruined | :21:50. | :21:54. | |
it for all of us. Businesses claim that tourist stayed | :21:55. | :21:59. | |
away all summer. The stigma damaged the reputation of the area. What was | :22:00. | :22:05. | |
the council right to effect to the close beaches for two days below the | :22:06. | :22:10. | |
high watermark? We have visible sewage eviddnce | :22:11. | :22:16. | |
debris, towels, tampons, debris floating in the water. It is simply | :22:17. | :22:21. | |
not acceptable. The public would not find it acceptable to swim hn that. | :22:22. | :22:28. | |
Was the decision based on shnce Water samples taken after the spill | :22:29. | :22:33. | |
past waving standards. You will see some of, absolttely | :22:34. | :22:41. | |
disgusting... The panic button is always hit when | :22:42. | :22:48. | |
words like sewage, faeces, `nd suchlike com up. Everybody reacts. | :22:49. | :22:55. | |
But it is not a very good indicator of a risk, frankly. Could h`ve | :22:56. | :23:04. | |
wastewater go in without behng visible, but still make you sick. | :23:05. | :23:08. | |
You cannot see viruses, thex are invisible. | :23:09. | :23:15. | |
So the debris is not always necessarily a serious risk to | :23:16. | :23:20. | |
health. Normally rubbish we flush away is removed from the sewage | :23:21. | :23:24. | |
here. A Southern water pumphng station where the discharges are | :23:25. | :23:29. | |
released to see. There are some surprising things about this place. | :23:30. | :23:34. | |
It can pump up to 800 litres of sewage every second but does not | :23:35. | :23:39. | |
really smell bad. With all these control panels everywhere it looks | :23:40. | :23:43. | |
high`tech, but in fact it is an addition to a Victorian system. That | :23:44. | :23:48. | |
is the problem. The rainwatdr and the effluent share the same trains. | :23:49. | :23:56. | |
So if a month's worth of rahn falls in a few hours the system is | :23:57. | :24:00. | |
designed to bypass the treatment works and discharge sewage straight | :24:01. | :24:05. | |
out to sea. A series of things are said when | :24:06. | :24:09. | |
storm water is released to see that are misleading. The talk of raw | :24:10. | :24:14. | |
sewage being dumped, it is not the case. The fact is we are releasing | :24:15. | :24:21. | |
heavily dilutive storm water which is going out to sea instead of | :24:22. | :24:25. | |
backing up in peoples homes. That is effective. But in 2012 it | :24:26. | :24:34. | |
was not effective. The full extent of the breakdown was not imlediately | :24:35. | :24:38. | |
revealed and created a delax in the clean`up operation. So were the | :24:39. | :24:42. | |
Council cautious this summer out of the fear that history would repeat | :24:43. | :24:47. | |
itself? We take the information that | :24:48. | :24:50. | |
Southern water and give us `nd we speak to the Environment Agdncy But | :24:51. | :24:55. | |
most importantly we inspect the beach ourselves to get prim`ry | :24:56. | :25:01. | |
information on what we see. That suggests you do not entirely | :25:02. | :25:05. | |
believe everything they say. It is not a case of not belheving. | :25:06. | :25:12. | |
We need to take important ddcisions on their own merits. | :25:13. | :25:16. | |
So Southern water and the council see things differently. But | :25:17. | :25:23. | |
ultimately what turns up on the beaches is down to us and otr habits | :25:24. | :25:27. | |
of placing additional strain on the sewage system. When the Victorians | :25:28. | :25:33. | |
designed this all that people put down the toilet were true, he, and | :25:34. | :25:44. | |
paper. That is the industry race. But look at this. False teeth even. | :25:45. | :25:52. | |
The more of the steps flushdd away, the more blockages, the mord | :25:53. | :25:55. | |
discharges out to sea. All this does is creates itdms which | :25:56. | :26:02. | |
should not be in the sewage system in the first place. | :26:03. | :26:08. | |
In Margate last year there were 3000 sewage blockages. Southern water so | :26:09. | :26:12. | |
that an increase in the use of wet wipes is a factor. | :26:13. | :26:18. | |
Every 20 minutes they seem to want their hands of faces wiped. | :26:19. | :26:23. | |
So is this contributing to the sewage on the beaches? | :26:24. | :26:28. | |
I must confess I have flushdd them down the toilet. Baby wipes. | :26:29. | :26:35. | |
Honestly, I have never done that. There is a stigma attached to that, | :26:36. | :26:40. | |
mothers say they do not. But of course some of us do explan`tion `` | :26:41. | :26:56. | |
some of us do! Do we want to have a completely new | :26:57. | :27:01. | |
sewage system in Margate th`t separate storm water from sdwage and | :27:02. | :27:07. | |
then releases it? If we... It is impossible. | :27:08. | :27:14. | |
It is not. It would just cole with a price. | :27:15. | :27:19. | |
It would be expensive and the consumer would have to pay. | :27:20. | :27:27. | |
An awful lot. Pensioners and low income families paying an awful lot | :27:28. | :27:32. | |
of money, in return for no benefit to themselves. | :27:33. | :27:38. | |
Consumers do not want to have discharges into the sea. In the | :27:39. | :27:42. | |
meantime, businesses like this are stuck in the middle. | :27:43. | :27:56. | |
If you want any more inform`tion about the show you can visit our | :27:57. | :28:03. | |
website. Watch again on BBC I player. Coming up next week: A | :28:04. | :28:25. | |
pension special. Why are thdse people are avoiding paying hnto a | :28:26. | :28:29. | |
scheme? Hands up, who has not got a pension? | :28:30. | :28:34. | |
Why not? The biggest scam in the indtstry: | :28:35. | :28:43. | |
How an east Sussex man lost ?90 000. Every single day I think about it. | :28:44. | :28:49. | |
It is a very bad. And the not so shy and retiring | :28:50. | :28:55. | |
pensioners of Kent, happy to reveal the secrets of success. | :28:56. | :28:57. | |
My 70s have been my best decade for This summer, war returned to Europe. | :28:58. | :30:08. | |
Somebody's just fired, one of the rebels and the situation is chaotic. | :30:09. | :30:14. | |
The West faces a new threat from an enemy from the past | :30:15. | :30:15. |