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The fishermen on drugs and out any input channel. | :00:07. | :00:12. | |
That's what we happen got to live with. Yeah gone from a hero | :00:13. | :00:16. | |
freshman, strong, great man, to a druggie. | :00:17. | :00:21. | |
We climb aboard the migrant buster Calais. | :00:22. | :00:25. | |
Would you do in Calais? Try to get to London. | :00:26. | :00:31. | |
And then you get on this bus? And organ donors have their final | :00:32. | :00:36. | |
wishes overruled. Is someone has taken the time and | :00:37. | :00:40. | |
effort to express their wishes by carrying a donor card, no I don't | :00:41. | :00:43. | |
think anyone have the right to overrule that wedge. | :00:44. | :00:48. | |
I'm Natalie Graham, with untold stories closer to home. From renters | :00:49. | :00:51. | |
are these plays, this is Inside Out. Welcome to the programme, which | :00:52. | :01:11. | |
Out in the channel, some of the Out in the channel, some of the | :01:12. | :01:16. | |
South East's fishermen are making 11 and often dangerous conditions. But | :01:17. | :01:19. | |
some of them are dying out at sea is, and the cause is not bad | :01:20. | :01:24. | |
weather. Another shipping cock for cats, the | :01:25. | :01:30. | |
heart of the Maritime and coastguard agency. | :01:31. | :01:33. | |
the weather is the biggest hazard the weather is the biggest hazard | :01:34. | :01:38. | |
here for fishermen. But BLEEP about to see, this isn't always the case. | :01:39. | :01:48. | |
This is a fishing boat from New Haven in Sussex. In 2009, I filled | :01:49. | :01:57. | |
out in the English Channel with her crew for a story about cod fishing | :01:58. | :02:02. | |
quotas. They're a nice bunch of lads, a close team, used to working | :02:03. | :02:08. | |
long hours under tough conditions. The boat can still be seen fishing | :02:09. | :02:14. | |
off the Kent and Sussex coast, but today she's one crew member short. | :02:15. | :02:22. | |
Darren Brown drowned last June. The drugs and vitamin and cannabis were | :02:23. | :02:26. | |
found by the Marine accident investigation Branch, hidden in his | :02:27. | :02:33. | |
bunk. It is an occupation where you need | :02:34. | :02:37. | |
to be in control of what you're doing. If you take drugs, that | :02:38. | :02:42. | |
affects the way you behave. It's like driving a car, if you take | :02:43. | :02:47. | |
drugs and drive a car, there lies madness and disaster. | :02:48. | :02:54. | |
June the 9th, last year. A rope got tangled around the propeller. Darren | :02:55. | :02:58. | |
decided he was going to untangle the robot by jumping overboard, | :02:59. | :03:01. | |
mid-channel. He had no life vest on and no safety rope. He drowned. | :03:02. | :03:10. | |
Accompany on June, not predict three cold. A bit choppy, but you just | :03:11. | :03:15. | |
don't expect it to happen like that. He said he would go in. They try to | :03:16. | :03:22. | |
talk him out of doing it. The fact that he thought he could | :03:23. | :03:25. | |
jump into this very cold water against a strong tide with a knife, | :03:26. | :03:31. | |
Tarzan-like, indicated he was perhaps under the influence of them | :03:32. | :03:35. | |
vitamins at the time. Mark Brown didn't have a clue his | :03:36. | :03:39. | |
older brother was using drugs at sea. The freshly heard was when | :03:40. | :03:43. | |
accident investigators told him what they'd found on Darren's bunker. | :03:44. | :03:50. | |
What was it the investigators found? Because we haven't found Darren's | :03:51. | :03:56. | |
whole-body com he's lost to the sea. They found amphetamines and I | :03:57. | :04:01. | |
believe cannabis as well. It's not something I was aware he was doing, | :04:02. | :04:05. | |
not something even his daughter was aware of. Talking to the people he | :04:06. | :04:08. | |
was working with, they were unaware as well. But that is what we have to | :04:09. | :04:14. | |
live with, that he's gone from a good, hero fishermen, to a druggie. | :04:15. | :04:23. | |
The death of Darren and the discovery of his drugs on the boat | :04:24. | :04:28. | |
is not an isolated incident. Our research indicates drug use at sea | :04:29. | :04:32. | |
by young fisherman is now a national problem. The Marine accident | :04:33. | :04:37. | |
were first to pick up on this were first to pick up on this | :04:38. | :04:43. | |
worrying trend. In the last to make years, 15% of fishing vessel | :04:44. | :04:48. | |
accidents have involved drug abuse. There's being clear evidence, to | :04:49. | :04:54. | |
postmortems or drugs being found on the vessels, that it is being an | :04:55. | :04:59. | |
issue. People are using drugs at a routine basis at sea. Their job is | :05:00. | :05:04. | |
dangerous and us as it is, why make it far worse? | :05:05. | :05:14. | |
SHIPPING FORECAST plays 200 miles up the channel at New | :05:15. | :05:23. | |
Haven, is the fishing port in Devon. Offshore, a Marine accident recovery | :05:24. | :05:28. | |
operation is underway. Breaking the water, they scavenger. She capsized | :05:29. | :05:39. | |
in July 2015, just after 3pm. When it sank, she took with her 33 | :05:40. | :05:44. | |
wrought Shane Hooper, and 22-year-old skipper, Mike Hill. I | :05:45. | :05:52. | |
went to see his dad, Mickey Hill. At a very young age, he came to see | :05:53. | :05:58. | |
with me. Loved everything about it. A very good fishermen, I think it | :05:59. | :06:01. | |
was good to be one of the top ones out there. | :06:02. | :06:06. | |
They are a fishing family. The dad was at sea, and Mike followed in his | :06:07. | :06:09. | |
footsteps. Shane worked for the family business too. | :06:10. | :06:15. | |
Like two brothers. They talked about things, talked about girlfriends and | :06:16. | :06:22. | |
everything. And I looked at Shane as being like one of my chance, as he | :06:23. | :06:27. | |
would think I was like his dad, you know? | :06:28. | :06:31. | |
It was only after Shane's body was recovered, investigators discovered | :06:32. | :06:33. | |
he had a large quantity of amphetamine in his system. | :06:34. | :06:40. | |
When he was recovered, it the postmortem revealed he had traces of | :06:41. | :06:44. | |
amphetamine in his body. The levels indicated he was a wobbly using | :06:45. | :06:48. | |
amphetamines while he was on board the vessel, or shortly before the | :06:49. | :06:53. | |
vessel left for sea. -- probably using. Again, evidence that | :06:54. | :06:59. | |
amphetamines had been used. Was white Michael was a lot younger than | :07:00. | :07:03. | |
Shane, but he was the skipper. Would he have let Shane on that but | :07:04. | :07:07. | |
if he had known he was on amphetamine? | :07:08. | :07:09. | |
No, Michael would have thrown over the side. He was said and vitamin | :07:10. | :07:16. | |
was a pure man's jog. He would not have let him on that boat. -- poor | :07:17. | :07:26. | |
man's drug. There is evidence to suggest the use | :07:27. | :07:29. | |
of drugs at sea as a much larger problem than we had thought a few | :07:30. | :07:31. | |
years ago. I'm convinced that there years ago. I'm convinced that there | :07:32. | :07:37. | |
is an issue out there, and that issue needs to be addressed. | :07:38. | :07:49. | |
SHIPPING FORECAST PLAYS. Emerging out of the gloom, our third | :07:50. | :07:55. | |
case of drug use is the sinking of the Diamonds of the Shetland Islands | :07:56. | :08:01. | |
in 2014. Here she is, sitting on the bottom, hold after hitting a rock | :08:02. | :08:06. | |
just outside Port. One have crew drowned. The other, or skipper, made | :08:07. | :08:11. | |
it ashore. Both tested positive for heroin on the day of the accident. | :08:12. | :08:21. | |
The drugs were one of the drivers as to why she had that rock. That led | :08:22. | :08:29. | |
to the death of the crew. Three separate investigations, and | :08:30. | :08:33. | |
in each one, strong evidence that drugs have been taken by fishermen, | :08:34. | :08:36. | |
either before they went out to sea, whilst they were on the water. | :08:37. | :08:41. | |
It was time to tell behind the statistics. Was drug use by young | :08:42. | :08:44. | |
freshman more prevalent than anyone had thought? Dave has been a skipper | :08:45. | :08:49. | |
for 25 years, and has noticed a for 25 years, and has noticed a | :08:50. | :08:53. | |
shift in values. I would say and about the last ten | :08:54. | :08:58. | |
years I've noticed it. It seems to be the culture of the youth. Depends | :08:59. | :09:03. | |
on the drugs, doesn't it? If someone is on amphetamine, you can see | :09:04. | :09:06. | |
they're quick, impatience, very fast. A similar smoking marijuana, | :09:07. | :09:12. | |
they tend to be read-died, slow talking, not able to concentrate. I | :09:13. | :09:19. | |
won't have anyone like that work on my boat, that's where tend to work | :09:20. | :09:21. | |
alone. So what is amphetamine? And why does | :09:22. | :09:26. | |
it appear to be the drug of choice for fishermen going to see? The | :09:27. | :09:33. | |
charity Turning Point specialises in helping people turn off drugs like | :09:34. | :09:39. | |
and vitamin. Amphetamines are from a group of | :09:40. | :09:42. | |
drugs that still at the central nervous system. They're drugs that | :09:43. | :09:48. | |
increase alertness, a sense of wakefulness. For some people, it | :09:49. | :09:54. | |
increases a sense of confidence. Most jobs, it would be a risk to be | :09:55. | :10:00. | |
using those kind of drugs. There is a sense that drug-taking | :10:01. | :10:04. | |
has become a routine rather than an exception. So there are a lot of | :10:05. | :10:08. | |
indicators coming through that show perhaps the use of drugs is a much | :10:09. | :10:13. | |
larger problem than we had thought it was. | :10:14. | :10:17. | |
What can the Government agency that polices are fishing fleet do to stop | :10:18. | :10:22. | |
the rising number of deaths? We have, as a regulator, a real | :10:23. | :10:26. | |
responsibility here. Professional seafaring and drug abuse don't mix, | :10:27. | :10:31. | |
just like driving cars and drug abuse don't mix. We've got to try | :10:32. | :10:36. | |
and get this consciousness that it is an unsafe practice across a | :10:37. | :10:40. | |
fishing committees, through families, through seafarers, to the | :10:41. | :10:45. | |
industry as a whole. Nothing we can make a difference, but we're | :10:46. | :10:47. | |
protested at a proportionate, measured and sensible way. | :10:48. | :10:52. | |
The fishermen's mission is just one charity that is gearing up to try | :10:53. | :10:56. | |
and educate and support the families of fishermen were drug abuse may be | :10:57. | :10:58. | |
a problem. a problem. | :10:59. | :11:01. | |
We are putting extra resources into greater training for support staff | :11:02. | :11:04. | |
on alcohol awareness so they can spot some of the up issues so we can | :11:05. | :11:09. | |
help. We are also beginning to rot at programme of drug awareness for | :11:10. | :11:14. | |
fishermen of all ages, but particularly aimed at younger | :11:15. | :11:17. | |
of the real dangers are fishing of the real dangers are fishing | :11:18. | :11:22. | |
while taking dangerous substances. Because as you say it is beginning | :11:23. | :11:25. | |
to show to be a cause of accidents and deaths at sea. | :11:26. | :11:29. | |
When a fisherman is out at sea, it's is family who are left behind will | :11:30. | :11:34. | |
stop it's then the Government hopes to reach out to. | :11:35. | :11:41. | |
It's a task that needs education and help protect the loved ones and | :11:42. | :11:44. | |
families, the mothers, the girlfriends of the fishermen to | :11:45. | :11:49. | |
convince fishermen they are taking a huge risk by taking drugs when they | :11:50. | :11:50. | |
go to see. go to see. | :11:51. | :11:56. | |
DMS Hemed? Miss them like crazy, every day. | :11:57. | :12:00. | |
There isn't an hour goes by without thinking where are they? What are | :12:01. | :12:05. | |
they doing? You look at the stars at night and think, the brightest one | :12:06. | :12:11. | |
is my son, and that's the way you try to get through things. I tell | :12:12. | :12:17. | |
you what, you don't know what you've lost until you've lost it. | :12:18. | :12:26. | |
Glen Campbell reporting. Coming up on Inside Out: What is causing the | :12:27. | :12:36. | |
shortage of organ donations? I don't want to live every moment | :12:37. | :12:41. | |
thinking about it my phone rings, it could be a kidney. I don't want to | :12:42. | :12:47. | |
live like that. Last year, the Jungle name camp in | :12:48. | :12:53. | |
Calais was cleared, but migrants are coming up with inventive ideas to | :12:54. | :12:56. | |
attempt to cross the Channel without staying in Calais at all. The latest | :12:57. | :13:01. | |
involves public transport, as we now report. | :13:02. | :13:08. | |
Ravaged by fire, makeshift shelters raised to the ground in minutes. The | :13:09. | :13:19. | |
dramatic end of the migrant camp known as the Kelly Jungle. -- Calais | :13:20. | :13:33. | |
Jungle. Today, it's deserted. Enter by last year, I stood here and | :13:34. | :13:37. | |
watched as the Calais jungle burned down. I saw thousands of migrants | :13:38. | :13:42. | |
been taken to reception centres across France. Charities and are | :13:43. | :13:47. | |
saying hundreds of migrants have now returned, but they're living in | :13:48. | :13:51. | |
small camps, hidden from view. But where are they, and what new tactics | :13:52. | :13:55. | |
are migrants are using to get to Britain? Severity could can set | :13:56. | :13:58. | |
there? Yes. 20 or 30 people are popping up. | :13:59. | :14:05. | |
Do you know where they are? Yes. | :14:06. | :14:10. | |
Would you tell me? No. | :14:11. | :14:14. | |
those spotted face arrest. But we those spotted face arrest. But we | :14:15. | :14:17. | |
managed to find a spot in Calais. The house is totally derelict, | :14:18. | :14:30. | |
there's just one rumour where they're sleeping. If you come | :14:31. | :14:34. | |
through here, you can see some sleeping bags and blankets on the | :14:35. | :14:38. | |
floor. Someone has just been woken up. They stay here while they're | :14:39. | :14:42. | |
trying to get onto lorries into Britain. | :14:43. | :14:49. | |
Did you live in the old Jungle? Yeah. | :14:50. | :14:54. | |
How long have you been in Calais? Sense... Since 1st of July. | :14:55. | :15:02. | |
Last year? 2016? Yeah. I've been an Jungle until the | :15:03. | :15:08. | |
Jungle closed. But these migrants are the | :15:09. | :15:12. | |
exception. It's very difficult to stay in Calais without being | :15:13. | :15:16. | |
arrested. When the Jungle place was cleared, many of you occupants were | :15:17. | :15:24. | |
made to a camp 25 miles away. This is an area near Dunkirk. The only | :15:25. | :15:29. | |
place migrants can officially stay. They're free to come and go as they | :15:30. | :15:33. | |
please, but this is where they're given food and shelter, away from | :15:34. | :15:38. | |
Calais and the chance to jump onto vulnerable lorries. And yet, they're | :15:39. | :15:43. | |
still trying to get to Britain. Harmony people here in try to get to | :15:44. | :15:46. | |
get Britain? We have 300 shelters here. Every | :15:47. | :15:53. | |
shelter has many people in it. There must be 1500 people. Women and | :15:54. | :15:58. | |
children, everything. And many others people are trying to | :15:59. | :16:00. | |
get Britain? Everyone. | :16:01. | :16:07. | |
Everyone? Whitey risk your life trying get to Britain? | :16:08. | :16:11. | |
Well, I don't know how to tell you. Watch it we do? You have another | :16:12. | :16:17. | |
thing to tell us? What do we have to do? Go back to Iraq and either? In | :16:18. | :16:30. | |
the war and explosions, and the Government steals our money? | :16:31. | :16:33. | |
Siewert risk your life to get to Britain? | :16:34. | :16:38. | |
If I die, it's all right for me. I hope to die trying rather than go | :16:39. | :16:43. | |
back. But they're in a cab in Dunkirk, how | :16:44. | :16:48. | |
do they get to Calais? The answer is simple, they catch the bus. | :16:49. | :16:56. | |
What do you do in Calais? You try to get to London? And then you get on | :16:57. | :17:05. | |
this bus? Yeah, I get on this bus from | :17:06. | :17:08. | |
Dunkirk. So you've come back from Calais? | :17:09. | :17:13. | |
What have you been doing there? Try to get lorries? | :17:14. | :17:18. | |
Yeah. This is the 501 from outside Dunkirk | :17:19. | :17:24. | |
to Calais. The fair is just 1 euro. When the migrants arrived, they | :17:25. | :17:26. | |
spent time trying to climb into lorries. If unsuccessful, the | :17:27. | :17:30. | |
commute back for food and shelter and try again the next day. | :17:31. | :17:37. | |
I asked the bus driver as I got on if this was normal? She said, yeah, | :17:38. | :17:45. | |
every night migrants try and catch the bus. But they have a maximum | :17:46. | :17:49. | |
limit of 30 migrants allowed on the bus. Get me last night, at 60 people | :17:50. | :17:54. | |
try to get on the bus. -- she told me last night. | :17:55. | :18:06. | |
They're I've been told the reason why migrants catch the bus is | :18:07. | :18:12. | |
because if they catch the train they'll be intercepted by police. | :18:13. | :18:16. | |
Here, they can jump off the bus when they lie, and the police don't know | :18:17. | :18:20. | |
where they're getting off, and therefore they can do whatever | :18:21. | :18:22. | |
they're doing anything without being disturbed by the police. | :18:23. | :18:28. | |
The final stage of their journey is by foot. Disappearing into the | :18:29. | :18:39. | |
shadows on the outskirts of Calais. Lorry Parks are the main target. | :18:40. | :18:44. | |
Migrants attempt to break in then stow away on vehicles before they | :18:45. | :18:49. | |
cross the Channel. When he barks, that means he can smell something. | :18:50. | :18:52. | |
So the think probably people are hiding in the field the other side | :18:53. | :18:55. | |
of the fence. When you migrants were catching the | :18:56. | :19:05. | |
bus in the evening to go to Calais, but what I don't realise is that | :19:06. | :19:08. | |
they're doing it in broad daylight at lunchtime. | :19:09. | :19:13. | |
How many people here are coming over to Calais to trying get into | :19:14. | :19:16. | |
Britain? I cannot say how many people. But I | :19:17. | :19:22. | |
see sometimes when I come to Calais, the bus is full of refugees to come | :19:23. | :19:24. | |
to Calais. Just watching the migrants get on | :19:25. | :19:33. | |
the bus, we're now following it to see where they get off and see what | :19:34. | :19:35. | |
they do. They walked up here towards the big | :19:36. | :19:54. | |
Lorry Parks on the outskirts of Calais. Looks like they're waiting | :19:55. | :19:59. | |
here until the evening, then trying to get on lorries. As we approached, | :20:00. | :20:03. | |
they ran towards the motorway. So the focus is no longer they bought | :20:04. | :20:08. | |
itself. Improved security fencing means it's hard to breach. At any | :20:09. | :20:13. | |
migrants spotted walking the streets face immediate arrest, as we | :20:14. | :20:15. | |
witnessed for ourselves. The continued police presence has | :20:16. | :20:26. | |
stopped any new Jungle springing up. But now more and more migrants are | :20:27. | :20:30. | |
living in a camp that's a commutable distance, using the 501 bus to | :20:31. | :20:32. | |
Calais. Now, one of the greatest gifts you | :20:33. | :20:46. | |
can give is to donate your organs after your death. But even if you | :20:47. | :20:50. | |
decide to become a donor, saving a life is not guaranteed. Emma Thomas | :20:51. | :20:52. | |
explains. This is Lee. He was the pride and | :20:53. | :20:58. | |
joy of his mother, Alison. That's Lee on his first day at | :20:59. | :21:15. | |
Winston Churchill, Branson School in Woking. Very proud mama that day. | :21:16. | :21:20. | |
That's and Connell, the day he decided to terrorise everyone with a | :21:21. | :21:27. | |
crab. Full of mischief, as usual. He was very protective of his two | :21:28. | :21:32. | |
younger sisters. This is their last Mother's Day card that are received | :21:33. | :21:39. | |
from Lee. Mum, smile if you love me. Sorry. | :21:40. | :21:47. | |
Just a few months after his 21st birthday, Alison received a phone | :21:48. | :21:50. | |
call to say her son had been involved in a car crash, and was in | :21:51. | :21:55. | |
hospital. It was shocking. There were wires | :21:56. | :22:02. | |
and tubes and machines keeping him alive. | :22:03. | :22:06. | |
Lee was in a medically induced coma for six days. He didn't respond when | :22:07. | :22:11. | |
doctors try to bring him around. It was this Sunday morning we were | :22:12. | :22:18. | |
told that there was no hope for Lee. It was a strange, strange time. You | :22:19. | :22:24. | |
don't expect to be told your 21-year-old son is clinically dead. | :22:25. | :22:27. | |
You don't expect to be approached and asked if you'd be prepared to | :22:28. | :22:33. | |
donate his organs. It's not something we'd ever discussed as a | :22:34. | :22:37. | |
family. We'd never talked about it, know anyone it had affected. We'd | :22:38. | :22:40. | |
never even it a thought. never even it a thought. | :22:41. | :22:46. | |
The decision to donate an organ can make the difference between life or | :22:47. | :22:51. | |
death. When the decision is made not to | :22:52. | :22:57. | |
donate, then we know up to nine people on transplant waiting list | :22:58. | :23:00. | |
may not be transplanted as a result of that. | :23:01. | :23:09. | |
It's such an thing that somebody would donate to save someone's life, | :23:10. | :23:13. | |
and I don't even have the words to say thank you, because it's changed | :23:14. | :23:18. | |
my life. In Kent and here in East Sussex, | :23:19. | :23:22. | |
there are nearly 200 people waiting for a transplant. | :23:23. | :23:29. | |
Many people decide they want to donate their organs when they die. | :23:30. | :23:33. | |
But even when make their wishes known and carry a donor card, | :23:34. | :23:36. | |
sometimes transplants don't happen. Why is that and what is being done | :23:37. | :23:42. | |
about it? There is a desperate need for | :23:43. | :23:46. | |
organs, but some relatives are saying no to donating them, even if | :23:47. | :23:49. | |
their loved one has said yes, because they can't bear the thought | :23:50. | :23:52. | |
of them being removed or given to someone else. | :23:53. | :23:58. | |
In Kent any Sussex, as example, last year, there was 110 people who | :23:59. | :24:02. | |
received life-saving transplants. But and other side of that, there | :24:03. | :24:07. | |
were 16 people who died. Alison had a dilemma. Her son wasn't | :24:08. | :24:11. | |
on the organ donor register. But what do you was approached by the | :24:12. | :24:15. | |
nursing team, she remembered his little sister had been watching a | :24:16. | :24:19. | |
children's TV programme about organ donation, and as Lee to take her to | :24:20. | :24:22. | |
the doctors so she could sign the form. | :24:23. | :24:28. | |
in her little pink Paris, and I in her little pink Paris, and I | :24:29. | :24:31. | |
think that one moment was the moment I thought this was what he would | :24:32. | :24:36. | |
have wanted. So we agreed. I just knew at that time, if Lee was going | :24:37. | :24:42. | |
to die, I didn't want it all to be a waste. | :24:43. | :24:48. | |
Lee's organs saved two people's lives. Someone else who is alive | :24:49. | :25:04. | |
today thanks to a transplant is Jacqui. 20 years ago, she received a | :25:05. | :25:09. | |
kidney that saved her life. It is meant freedom, to do the | :25:10. | :25:13. | |
things I want to do. It's liberating. Sealed my boat from | :25:14. | :25:17. | |
Sweden, around Britain, and I'm about to take it to the Azores now. | :25:18. | :25:25. | |
But there is bad news, after some 20 years, had donated kidney is | :25:26. | :25:27. | |
failing. I don't live every moment thinking | :25:28. | :25:31. | |
about, if my phone rings, it could be a kidney. I don't want to live | :25:32. | :25:35. | |
like that. The sakes are high. And even that | :25:36. | :25:38. | |
they've managed to increase the amount of donations, it it's still | :25:39. | :25:44. | |
not enough. When I caught up with Tracy Gibson, she dug me five | :25:45. | :25:47. | |
families had recently gone against the wishes of their relatives and | :25:48. | :25:54. | |
overridden their decision to donate. Numbers seem tiny, but five patients | :25:55. | :25:57. | |
could potentially gone on to say 45 lives. Debate that in perspective, | :25:58. | :26:04. | |
in the South East, 16 patients -- sexy patients died waiting for | :26:05. | :26:07. | |
transplant. Every conversation helps, on the | :26:08. | :26:11. | |
front line is Jacqueline Kennedy. A specialist nurse walking into tough | :26:12. | :26:14. | |
situations, this is part of her job. She works in intensive care units | :26:15. | :26:19. | |
across the savvy space. She is there to support bereaved families and | :26:20. | :26:24. | |
raise the subject of organ donation. Sometimes there is one member of the | :26:25. | :26:31. | |
family he will object. In my experience, families will then tend | :26:32. | :26:34. | |
to support the know rather than the yes. | :26:35. | :26:38. | |
But is there another way of doing things? In Wales for instance, you | :26:39. | :26:42. | |
have knocked out system, where it's issue and everyone will donate | :26:43. | :26:45. | |
unless you make it clear you don't want to. But even though it did make | :26:46. | :26:50. | |
the difference between life and death, Jackie doesn't think reading | :26:51. | :26:54. | |
families should have to carry at the wishes of their loved ones, even if | :26:55. | :26:59. | |
they have signed up to the register. Well, that's their wish. I would | :27:00. | :27:03. | |
never take that from them, that's their loved ones, it's their | :27:04. | :27:06. | |
decision. So you would say that even the | :27:07. | :27:09. | |
kidney became available and the family said no, they would have the | :27:10. | :27:13. | |
right to say that? I don't think my personal opinion is | :27:14. | :27:18. | |
relevant there, the opinion is of the people, of the relations of the | :27:19. | :27:22. | |
person that has died. In hindsight, Alison wishes she had | :27:23. | :27:25. | |
spoken silly about it, because although she could bear to give away | :27:26. | :27:31. | |
to give away as other organs, she drew the line at his heart. It is a | :27:32. | :27:34. | |
decision he regrets. I think it is a waste, he was 21 | :27:35. | :27:41. | |
coming had a healthy heart. Somebody probably died because they didn't | :27:42. | :27:45. | |
get that. But that another youngster, or a husband or a father. | :27:46. | :27:49. | |
Alison feels very strongly that families shouldn't be able to | :27:50. | :27:53. | |
override decisions. Is someone has taken the time and | :27:54. | :27:57. | |
effort to put their names down on the organ donor register, and | :27:58. | :28:00. | |
expressed their wishes by carrying a donor card, then no, I don't think | :28:01. | :28:03. | |
anyone should have the right to override that wish, no. | :28:04. | :28:12. | |
If you'd like to know more about the programme, you can go to our like | :28:13. | :28:20. | |
pages on the BBC News website, and watched the show again on the | :28:21. | :28:26. | |
iPlayer. Coming up next time that says the Kent woman who no longer | :28:27. | :28:30. | |
qualifies for mobility benefits because you'd got a prospective leg. | :28:31. | :28:33. | |
The most frustrating thing is how The most frustrating thing is how | :28:34. | :28:38. | |
hard I have worked to walk, to go back to work, to live my life. And | :28:39. | :28:42. | |
if you like I've been penalised for that. | :28:43. | :28:48. | |
That's all what a night. We're not on next week because of football, | :28:49. | :28:53. | |
but we're back the week after. Thank you for watching, see you in a | :28:54. | :28:54. | |
fortnight. Hello, I'm Alex Bushill | :28:55. | :29:07. | |
with your 90 second update. Drug abuse, violence | :29:08. | :29:10. | |
and faulty alarms. Just some of the major | :29:11. | :29:11. | |
security failings a BBC investigation has uncovered | :29:12. | :29:13. | |
at a Northumberland prison. Stay tuned for Panorama | :29:14. | :29:16. | |
after Eastenders. | :29:17. | :29:20. |