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Hello, and welcome to Inside Out. Here's what's coming up tonight. | :00:05. | :00:08. | |
Hi, I'm Steve Long, co-founder of The Universal Group. We gatecrash | :00:08. | :00:11. | |
this man's seminar, which claims to offer financial peace of mind to | :00:11. | :00:15. | |
the elderly. Why is it you're selling a product | :00:15. | :00:19. | |
when you are possibly, could be rendering it useless? You've put me | :00:19. | :00:22. | |
on the spot here... I have put you on the spot, because we've been | :00:22. | :00:26. | |
trying to get in touch with you. Your office told us you were out of | :00:26. | :00:29. | |
the country, but that's not the case, you're here, giving another | :00:29. | :00:31. | |
seminar today. Also tonight, repo man. With the | :00:31. | :00:34. | |
recession, we've had more cases coming our way. How bailiffs are | :00:34. | :00:39. | |
kept busy in the recession clearing up bad debt. We've been sent here | :00:39. | :00:42. | |
today to enforce a High Court writ which orders us to remove goods | :00:42. | :00:45. | |
from the premises. And, is it right to invite this Mrs Tiggywinkle into | :00:45. | :00:51. | |
your home? Inhumane, him in a cage is inhumane. He wants to walk two | :00:51. | :00:56. | |
miles a night and he cannot do it in the kitchen. Oh! What? It bit | :00:56. | :01:06. | |
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I'm Jon Cuthill, and this is Inside First tonight, a story you told us | :01:20. | :01:24. | |
about. Care for a loved one in later life can cost tens of | :01:24. | :01:28. | |
thousands of pounds, and so if an expert tells you he has a way of | :01:28. | :01:31. | |
getting someone else to foot the bill, well, you're going to be | :01:31. | :01:34. | |
interested. You told us of one company operating here in the South | :01:34. | :01:40. | |
promising just that. Here's David Whiteley. | :01:40. | :01:44. | |
One in four of us will need long- term care, and if you have more | :01:44. | :01:46. | |
than �23,000 in savings and property then you will be expected | :01:46. | :01:51. | |
to pay for your care. That's a worry for some people who'd rather | :01:51. | :01:56. | |
keep their assets in the family. I'm Steve Long, co-founder of The | :01:56. | :01:59. | |
Universal Group, and I'm here to show you how you can avoid care | :01:59. | :02:05. | |
fees. This man claims he knows how you can avoid care fees. He says | :02:05. | :02:10. | |
he's better than a solicitor. local solicitor won't be able to do | :02:10. | :02:17. | |
this, solicitors come to us to do Lovely, thank you, darling. Five | :02:17. | :02:21. | |
years ago, Bernard and Christine Dillon wanted new wills. They went | :02:21. | :02:25. | |
to Steve Long. Earlier this year, Mr Long phoned Bernard unexpectedly. | :02:25. | :02:32. | |
His business had a new product to avoid care fees. When he came, he | :02:32. | :02:35. | |
said that you could get out of paying care home fees by setting | :02:35. | :02:38. | |
this trust up that would stop the council from getting their hands on | :02:38. | :02:48. | |
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your money. And it would be �3000, which is a lot of money. So our | :02:55. | :02:59. | |
first reaction was, well, we'd have to think about that. But, in the | :02:59. | :03:05. | |
end, he managed to talk us into agreeing with him. But I've since | :03:05. | :03:08. | |
found that, if a trust was set up for that sole purpose, that that | :03:08. | :03:17. | |
would disqualify itself. Beryl Shea also had a visit from | :03:17. | :03:20. | |
Steve Long. He said the money would all be ring-fenced, that you | :03:20. | :03:30. | |
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couldn't... The Government couldn't get hold of it for care home fees. | :03:34. | :03:38. | |
But he suddenly said, "Well, there is a fee that you have to pay, and | :03:38. | :03:48. | |
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if possible we'd like to have it tonight". And it was 3000... 3,500? | :03:48. | :03:51. | |
We've asked several solicitors, and they told us similar trusts would | :03:51. | :03:58. | |
cost from 700 to �1200. Care home fees can run to thousands of pounds | :03:58. | :04:02. | |
a year, so it's only natural for us to worry about these costs as we | :04:02. | :04:06. | |
approach old age. Steve Long runs seminars to explain his solutions | :04:06. | :04:14. | |
to these concerns. We went to some of his seminars and | :04:14. | :04:18. | |
listened to his claims about himself and his products. This one | :04:18. | :04:25. | |
was in Bristol. We do seminars like this for | :04:25. | :04:29. | |
solicitors, a top barrister works along with us. And you'll have a | :04:29. | :04:31. | |
whole room of solicitors all dealing with elderly clients, they | :04:31. | :04:35. | |
specialise in elderly client care. Not one of them has ever done that | :04:35. | :04:38. | |
or knows how to do it. So it's a specialist niche, there are | :04:38. | :04:41. | |
probably five of us in the country who deal with it. But that's not | :04:41. | :04:45. | |
true. Caroline Bielanska is a solicitor specialising in wills and | :04:45. | :04:52. | |
administration of estates. There are lots of professional lawyers | :04:52. | :05:02. | |
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who undertake wills and trusts. And the membership of Solicitors for | :05:02. | :05:05. | |
the Elderly and the Society of Trust and Estate Practitioners will | :05:05. | :05:08. | |
have many thousands of members together who would be able to set | :05:08. | :05:13. | |
up these sorts of trusts. But also they have to have a very good | :05:13. | :05:20. | |
working understanding of social care assessments and funding. | :05:20. | :05:23. | |
she wants to make sure that Peter's inheritance is safe... The man | :05:23. | :05:26. | |
behind The Universal Group is Stephen Long. In his seminars, he | :05:27. | :05:29. | |
makes many claims that make him and his company sound very well- | :05:30. | :05:33. | |
connected and important. I work with the top barrister in the | :05:33. | :05:37. | |
country, we do seminars like this for solicitors. But we've spoken to | :05:37. | :05:40. | |
the Bar Council, which represent barristers, and they told us that | :05:40. | :05:44. | |
no-one would claim to be the country's top barrister. So he | :05:44. | :05:47. | |
doesn't seem to be quite as well- connected as he claims, but he | :05:47. | :05:55. | |
sounds well-qualified. Well, I'm a qualified accountant and a lawyer. | :05:55. | :05:59. | |
He isn't. We've checked with the UK accountancy organisations and the | :05:59. | :06:05. | |
solicitors' regulation authority. He is a member of STEP, the Society | :06:05. | :06:09. | |
of Trust and Estate Practitioners. So how accurate are his claims | :06:09. | :06:14. | |
about his products? Our undercover producer asked Steve Long if an | :06:14. | :06:17. | |
elderly person who isn't well could use one of the trusts to avoid care | :06:17. | :06:22. | |
fees. Providing he hasn't already been assessed and isn't already | :06:22. | :06:27. | |
receiving care, then it's straightforward. The local | :06:27. | :06:32. | |
authority will look at the reasons that the trust was actually created. | :06:32. | :06:35. | |
And if they feel that it was done for the purpose of putting the | :06:36. | :06:38. | |
asset beyond their reach, then, of course, they could take it into | :06:39. | :06:42. | |
account in an assessment and treat the person as if they still owned | :06:42. | :06:49. | |
the asset. So the irony is that if the motive is to avoid paying care | :06:49. | :06:54. | |
home fees, then the trust may end up doing precisely the opposite. | :06:54. | :06:59. | |
And that is exactly how Steve Long markets his product. I'm here to | :06:59. | :07:04. | |
show you how you can avoid care fees. In the end, it's the local | :07:04. | :07:06. | |
authority who decides, so we asked the local government association, | :07:06. | :07:11. | |
which represents local authorities, just what the rules are. They told | :07:11. | :07:14. | |
us if you put your assets into a trust deliberately designed to | :07:14. | :07:17. | |
avoid care fees, then the local authority can treat you as though | :07:17. | :07:22. | |
you still own the assets. That seems clear, so we wrote to Mr Long | :07:22. | :07:28. | |
to explain why he gives misleading statements in his seminars. His | :07:28. | :07:32. | |
office told us he was out of the country until the end of this week. | :07:32. | :07:35. | |
Then his office claimed some of his mistakes were due to an ear | :07:35. | :07:38. | |
infection. I hope his hearing is better now, because he's still in | :07:38. | :07:41. | |
the country and he's giving a seminar at this hotel here in | :07:41. | :07:45. | |
Gloucester. I do hope his hearing is better, because I've got a few | :07:45. | :07:50. | |
questions for him. His office said that Universal | :07:50. | :07:52. | |
asset protection is totally committed to excellent customer | :07:52. | :08:00. | |
care, and that their fees are not excessive. But Mr Long has not | :08:00. | :08:05. | |
given specific answers to most of our questions. | :08:05. | :08:09. | |
I've got to ask you a question, Mr Long. Why is it you're selling a | :08:09. | :08:12. | |
product called How To Avoid Care Fees when, by marketing it as that, | :08:12. | :08:17. | |
you are, in fact, possibly, could be rendering it useless? Well, | :08:17. | :08:21. | |
that's not the advice that we've received. And it's nice of you to | :08:21. | :08:25. | |
come in unannounced into a seminar here. But we have been in touch | :08:25. | :08:28. | |
with you, Mr Long. We've asked you quite a few questions about the | :08:28. | :08:31. | |
validity of what you are doing with these trusts. So by advertising | :08:31. | :08:34. | |
yourselves as How To Avoid Care Fees, you're shooting yourself in | :08:34. | :08:38. | |
the foot a bit, aren't you? It's not the advice we've received. | :08:38. | :08:41. | |
have you received the advice from? This is from the Government. Who's | :08:41. | :08:46. | |
wrong, you or the Government? I think when we look at the cases | :08:46. | :08:49. | |
we have dealt with, and you've put me on the spot here... I have put | :08:49. | :08:53. | |
you on the spot, because we've been trying to get in touch with you. | :08:53. | :08:56. | |
Your office told us you were out of the country. That wasn't the case, | :08:56. | :08:59. | |
you're here giving another seminar today. I'm not prepared to discuss | :08:59. | :09:02. | |
on television the intellectual property that we have. All I can | :09:02. | :09:06. | |
say is that the trust that we use has a 100% track record, we have | :09:06. | :09:08. | |
documentary evidence of local authorities accepting that the | :09:08. | :09:11. | |
trust works. You market yourself as one of only five companies that | :09:11. | :09:14. | |
specialises in this kind of elderly care trusts, and yet that's not | :09:14. | :09:20. | |
true either, is it? We say we are one of five specialist providers | :09:20. | :09:25. | |
that we know of that provide these for other people. But any firm of | :09:25. | :09:27. | |
solicitors who knows and understands the rules around this | :09:27. | :09:30. | |
would be able to do that. Strange, but he said the opposite | :09:30. | :09:34. | |
when he didn't know he was being recorded. Your local solicitor | :09:34. | :09:38. | |
won't be able to do this. It's a specialist niche, there are | :09:38. | :09:42. | |
probably five of us in the country that deal with it. So which Mr Long | :09:43. | :09:45. | |
should we believe, and what can we learn from this? | :09:45. | :09:48. | |
If you are thinking of putting your property into a trust deliberately | :09:48. | :09:51. | |
to avoid care fees, remember they're not suitable for everyone | :09:51. | :09:58. | |
and they may not work. My first reaction was to say no. But he | :09:59. | :10:04. | |
continued and, as I say, eventually wore us down. If you've met him, | :10:04. | :10:07. | |
you'll know that he's a very pleasant man, and obviously a very | :10:07. | :10:17. | |
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And that just proves how important your e-mails are, so if you've got | :10:17. | :10:27. | |
Next, the recession may be officially over, but it's still | :10:27. | :10:32. | |
tough going out there. When deals turn bad, bankruptcy can be just | :10:32. | :10:38. | |
around the corner. But help is at hand... Through the bailiffs. | :10:38. | :10:42. | |
Lawrence Grix is a High Court enforcement officer. He and | :10:42. | :10:45. | |
colleague Kevin McNally are called in when debtors fail to pay up, | :10:45. | :10:49. | |
even though a court has ruled they must. I would say everybody's | :10:49. | :10:52. | |
trying to make a living, everybody's entitled to be paid for | :10:52. | :10:57. | |
what they've done. Us collecting debts does stop some businesses | :10:57. | :11:02. | |
going under, it does stop some people losing their homes. Today, | :11:02. | :11:06. | |
they're about to visit the home of a builder who owes a lot of money. | :11:06. | :11:13. | |
�4000, to be exact, which he owes builders' merchant for unpaid bills. | :11:13. | :11:22. | |
There he is. Mr Burns? It can go two ways. We could now be | :11:22. | :11:26. | |
annoying him so much by keep banging on the door that he could | :11:26. | :11:29. | |
potentially come to the door with some kind of weapon, so we've got | :11:29. | :11:32. | |
to be ready for him to be aggressive. Or he could just stay | :11:32. | :11:35. | |
shut in there. High Court enforcement officers like Lawrence | :11:35. | :11:38. | |
and Kevin have a lot of clout. They can climb fences, access properties | :11:38. | :11:41. | |
through unlocked doors or windows, and even break into offices and | :11:41. | :11:47. | |
factories. And they can seize goods. In lieu of his debts, they are | :11:47. | :11:53. | |
taking Mr Burns' car. In Plymouth, hotelier Joseph Louie | :11:53. | :11:57. | |
is hoping they'll help him get the money he's owed. Joseph lent a | :11:58. | :12:01. | |
former business partner a large sum of cash, but not all of it was paid | :12:01. | :12:06. | |
back. They went to court and the judgement ruled in Mr Louie's | :12:06. | :12:10. | |
favour. But still the money hasn't been returned, and it's very much | :12:10. | :12:16. | |
crunch time at the hotel. If he doesn't pay the money he borrowed, | :12:16. | :12:22. | |
the business I don't think will be here for long. The staff will lose | :12:22. | :12:28. | |
their jobs, and the city would lose something we're proud of. The debt | :12:28. | :12:31. | |
has left the business and Joseph Louie with a serious cash-flow | :12:31. | :12:34. | |
crisis. It should've been an invoice paid on Monday, and I | :12:34. | :12:38. | |
phoned this morning, they say it's been paid, but it's not. I'm in | :12:38. | :12:47. | |
It gets to the point that you really need to chase people for | :12:47. | :12:51. | |
�6,000. This is a few million pounds business here, it shouldn't | :12:51. | :12:57. | |
be the case. For receiver Ian Walker, businesses | :12:57. | :13:03. | |
with bad debts are a familiar story. If they don't get paid, they can't | :13:04. | :13:06. | |
pay their wages and eventually they will fail, unless they've got | :13:06. | :13:10. | |
security to enable a bank to lend them more money to see them through | :13:10. | :13:15. | |
those cash flow difficulties. But increasingly nowadays we're seeing | :13:15. | :13:17. | |
that businesses have been struggling for so long they've | :13:17. | :13:22. | |
completely lost all personal wealth. There is nowhere else they can give | :13:22. | :13:31. | |
security to the banks from. With the recession, we've had more | :13:31. | :13:34. | |
cases coming our way. But potentially they're not as easy to | :13:34. | :13:41. | |
collect on. We've had the last of the money people had, I think, over | :13:41. | :13:43. | |
the last year or so, and it's getting progressively harder and | :13:43. | :13:49. | |
harder. Before Lawrence and Kevin sort out | :13:49. | :13:52. | |
hotelier Joseph Louie's missing money, they're back on the road in | :13:52. | :13:57. | |
search of more missing debts. are off to a garage. They're off to | :13:57. | :14:01. | |
a car dealer who has not refunded an unhappy customer's money. Nine | :14:01. | :14:04. | |
months ago, Martin Chapel bought a pickup truck to start a gardening | :14:04. | :14:08. | |
business. He returned it to the garage because it was faulty, and | :14:08. | :14:12. | |
that's where it's been ever since. And Mr Chapel has yet to receive | :14:12. | :14:17. | |
his refund. I paid �6,000 which, to a lot of people, may not be much, | :14:17. | :14:25. | |
but it is a lot to me and there's a big principle at stake. It is a | :14:25. | :14:30. | |
principle that Lawrence and Kevin want to uphold with the garage boss. | :14:30. | :14:39. | |
I'll show some ID. I'm a High Court enforcement officer. Right, OK. | :14:39. | :14:48. | |
That's the writ as it stands at the moment. 7,906.08 we're looking for. | :14:48. | :14:58. | |
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Or else we remove assets. Of which I can see you've got plenty! | :15:00. | :15:07. | |
you'd be so kind as to leave our premises, gentlemen. | :15:07. | :15:11. | |
After 15 minutes and a quick trip to the bank, it's all sorted. | :15:11. | :15:17. | |
Martin Chapel will get his refund. Paid in full. It was just a case of | :15:17. | :15:21. | |
getting the funds. They knew they had the debt, weren't particularly | :15:21. | :15:24. | |
happy, but when you've got this much stock on your forecourt, what | :15:24. | :15:32. | |
choice have you got? Another successful job. Later, the garage | :15:32. | :15:35. | |
told us that senior management had not been made aware of the | :15:35. | :15:38. | |
situation and that, if they had, it would have been dealt with long | :15:38. | :15:44. | |
before the bailiffs were called in. It's now time to help Joseph Louie | :15:44. | :15:49. | |
recover his �160,000. Lawrence and Kevin head to the home of Joseph's | :15:49. | :15:53. | |
ex-business partner, Paul Chapman. He lives in a luxury property. The | :15:54. | :15:58. | |
bailiffs hope Mr Chapman, a former Plymouth Argyle footballer, is in. | :15:58. | :16:01. | |
Hello there, looking for a Paul Chapman. I'm sorry, he's not here. | :16:01. | :16:05. | |
Would you be Mrs Chapman, by any chance? No. I'm the cleaner here. | :16:05. | :16:10. | |
Are you able to get Mr Chapman on the phone at all? | :16:10. | :16:14. | |
But the lady at the door is not going to let them in. She told us | :16:14. | :16:23. | |
she was the cleaner. She was very smart and she was on the house | :16:23. | :16:30. | |
phone, as well. So I'm not entirely convinced by that. But I think it's | :16:30. | :16:35. | |
fairly safe to say we're not going to gain peaceful entry. I'll have a | :16:35. | :16:41. | |
look round the back and see what's to be seen. As Lawrence and Kevin | :16:41. | :16:44. | |
note any items of value that could be seized, Mr Chapman's cleaner | :16:44. | :16:52. | |
reappears. OK, I'll come and speak to you. We really need to speak to | :16:52. | :16:55. | |
Mr Chapman to get this sorted out. We're here today to remove goods | :16:55. | :16:58. | |
from the premises. You're here to remove...? What on earth for? | :16:58. | :17:02. | |
Because we're enforcing a High Court writ. For? I can't give you | :17:02. | :17:05. | |
any details, but basically we've been sent here today to enforce a | :17:05. | :17:09. | |
High Court writ which orders us to remove goods from the premises. So | :17:09. | :17:12. | |
we really need to speak to Mr Chapman. Well, I'm not discussing | :17:12. | :17:16. | |
this because this is scaring me stupid. I'm only here to do a job, | :17:16. | :17:21. | |
I'm sorry. Right. We're not here to scare you. Unfortunately, we're not | :17:21. | :17:26. | |
going because we have a writ to be here. I'm not giving... What we're | :17:26. | :17:31. | |
asking you to do... I don't know why I'm even speaking to you. | :17:31. | :17:34. | |
we're asking you to do... Would you please go away and come back | :17:34. | :17:39. | |
another time? No. You've just told me you can contact Mr Chapman. | :17:39. | :17:49. | |
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I didn't. Yes, you did. You'll have Lady's refusing to speak to us. | :17:54. | :17:57. | |
She's asking us to leave, we've refused because we've every right | :17:57. | :18:01. | |
to be here, and that's where it stands at the moment. So we'll see | :18:01. | :18:07. | |
what happens. Hopefully either the police or Mr Chapman will turn up. | :18:07. | :18:13. | |
After 20 minutes, he arrives. Chapman? Mr Grix. I'll show you | :18:13. | :18:19. | |
some ID. What are the cameras doing? They're just following us | :18:19. | :18:25. | |
around for the day. Lawrence makes some checks. He wants to know if | :18:25. | :18:27. | |
there's anything he can legitimately seize to help Joseph | :18:27. | :18:36. | |
Louie recover his cash. Mr Chapman says he's borderline bankrupt. If | :18:36. | :18:39. | |
somebody wants to make him bankrupt, he will be bankrupt. His business | :18:39. | :18:43. | |
is gone. Everything's gone, basically. The house is on the | :18:43. | :18:46. | |
market, the cars both belong to the lady inside, he's just gone off to | :18:46. | :18:52. | |
get proof of that now. On the face of it, he actually seems quite | :18:52. | :18:55. | |
genuine. But we do take that with a pinch of salt, we don't take | :18:55. | :18:59. | |
anything for granted. In the end, it turns out that Mr | :18:59. | :19:03. | |
Chapman's cleaner is also his partner. But as most seizable | :19:03. | :19:07. | |
assets seem to be hers, it's not a good day for the repo men. Across | :19:07. | :19:11. | |
the bay, in view of their luxurious pad, Joseph will just have to wait | :19:11. | :19:18. | |
for his money. I can see my business partner's palace, where | :19:18. | :19:23. | |
he's living in luxury and I'm struggling. But I will see my money | :19:23. | :19:29. | |
regardless. I will. After the bailiffs' visit, the | :19:29. | :19:32. | |
builder whose car was clamped has been paying his debt in monthly | :19:32. | :19:35. | |
instalments. Martin Chapel got his money back and his gardening | :19:35. | :19:39. | |
business is blooming. But, as for Joseph, he's still waiting. His | :19:39. | :19:41. | |
former business partner, Mr Chapman, has subsequently been declared | :19:41. | :19:46. | |
bankrupt. And, if nothing else, Joseph has learned an unfortunate | :19:46. | :19:53. | |
lesson. Don't be a me, don't be so stupid and trusting. But at the | :19:53. | :19:57. | |
same time, I hope I don't have to change. It has got to be trust | :19:57. | :20:07. | |
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somehow, but not too trusting. Finally tonight, the humble | :20:08. | :20:13. | |
hedgehog. A couple of facts for you, they are immune to adder venom, and | :20:13. | :20:18. | |
a baby hedgehog is called a hoglet. But whilst our native species might | :20:18. | :20:23. | |
be on its back foot, a rather more exotic version is doing well. | :20:23. | :20:27. | |
Here's Jane Goddard. New patients arrive at the Hedgehog | :20:27. | :20:32. | |
Hospital in Buckinghamshire. They haven't got any teeth yet. They're | :20:32. | :20:38. | |
about 10, 11 days. The eyes open at two weeks. Les Stoker, who founded | :20:39. | :20:43. | |
Tiggywinkles over 30 years ago, is worried. Over the last half-century, | :20:43. | :20:46. | |
he's seen the numbers of native hedgehogs fall from 5 million to | :20:46. | :20:50. | |
just 1 million. We take in 3,000 hedgehogs a year, but I know they | :20:50. | :20:58. | |
are going down in numbers. In the countryside, there are no hedgehogs | :20:58. | :21:01. | |
anymore because of farming practices. So hedgehogs are now | :21:02. | :21:06. | |
moving into gardens and nature reserves. So that 1 million are | :21:07. | :21:10. | |
living in gardens. Thank God they've somewhere to go. So every | :21:10. | :21:13. | |
rescue hedgehog that Les and his team nurses back to health is a | :21:13. | :21:17. | |
bonus for what is fast becoming a threatened species. Once they're | :21:17. | :21:21. | |
weaned, we treat them as wild animals. They don't get handled at | :21:21. | :21:26. | |
all, just for their medical checks. Most of the time they get on with | :21:26. | :21:29. | |
it as a wild animal. So they're roaming around your grounds? They | :21:29. | :21:33. | |
go into pens, yeah, then they get released. This is a little hedgehog | :21:33. | :21:38. | |
we've had in for about three weeks. It's a very common injury that we | :21:38. | :21:43. | |
get. They've been caught by a dog, and it's bitten a big hole and it | :21:43. | :21:46. | |
gets very infected and all that skin breaks down. In the operating | :21:46. | :21:48. | |
theatre, resident vet Clare Campbell is tending to a very poor | :21:49. | :21:55. | |
animal. What we will do is give it a really, really good clean and | :21:55. | :21:58. | |
then we pack it with honey, manuka honey, which has really good | :21:58. | :22:02. | |
healing power. It cleans out the horrible, disgusting tissue that is | :22:02. | :22:06. | |
growing and allows new tissue to go through it. The injured hedgehog | :22:06. | :22:10. | |
must be sedated before any treatment can be given. While this | :22:10. | :22:13. | |
is done, I'm given the unenviable task of helping a hoglet go to the | :22:13. | :22:18. | |
loo. Normally the mother would lick the baby...? To stimulate them to | :22:18. | :22:24. | |
wee. If this little critter doesn't learn, he simply won't survive. | :22:24. | :22:27. | |
can see it dripping on the towel. Yes, I would call that a result. | :22:28. | :22:37. | |
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And the thing to remember, because some people might be thinking this | :22:39. | :22:42. | |
is a lot of work for a little creature, but this is a species | :22:42. | :22:46. | |
which is in decline? It is a species which is in decline, so you | :22:46. | :22:49. | |
put the effort in. But this hedgehog has met the general public, | :22:49. | :22:53. | |
has met people, and has come off worse the wear for it. We'll never | :22:53. | :22:59. | |
redress all the balance, but if we can do our best. | :22:59. | :23:01. | |
So while our native British hedgehog might be struggling, | :23:01. | :23:07. | |
there's another kind which is definitely on the rise. This is a | :23:07. | :23:10. | |
hedgehog show, and taking centre stage and apparently growing in | :23:10. | :23:19. | |
popularity, a hybrid - the African pygmy hedgehog. What are they like | :23:19. | :23:23. | |
as pets? They're fine, really nice. Not too spiky? No, they put the | :23:24. | :23:28. | |
spikes down for you so you can stroke them. I've always loved | :23:28. | :23:33. | |
hedgehogs, so I just bought a couple about two years ago. Do you | :23:33. | :23:37. | |
think they are a good pet? For me, because I work through the day and | :23:37. | :23:39. | |
they're nocturnal, so that's good for me. What's the attraction? | :23:39. | :23:44. | |
They're just really friendly and cute and lovable. What's his name? | :23:44. | :23:50. | |
Lester. The African pygmy hedgehog, like lots of pygmy pets, is | :23:50. | :23:56. | |
expensive, often costing well over �150. But that doesn't stop some | :23:56. | :24:01. | |
owners giving them up. They're wild hedgehogs, that's the whole point. | :24:01. | :24:04. | |
Les is seeing more and more of these animals abandoned and brought | :24:04. | :24:10. | |
to his hospital. Ow! You joking? just bit me! Are you joking? | :24:10. | :24:17. | |
There's a wound! He's hissing. him up, turn him over. This is the | :24:17. | :24:20. | |
must-have pet, African pygmy hedgehog, perfect pet for a little | :24:20. | :24:30. | |
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girl. Look at it, cute, Mrs Tiggywinkle. Beatrix Potter had one. | :24:30. | :24:35. | |
Not one of these. See the state of my fingers? Your little girl of 12, | :24:35. | :24:40. | |
he comes along, he will bite the skin and make her bleed. You don't | :24:40. | :24:47. | |
want to give your kid a... Ohh! What?! It did, it bit me! I wasn't | :24:47. | :24:53. | |
putting that on, it bit me! At the show, owners say their pets | :24:53. | :24:56. | |
have been specially bred to be domesticated. But even they admit | :24:56. | :25:00. | |
they're not your average animal. Think carefully before you buy a | :25:00. | :25:04. | |
hedgehog because it's not a pet to have for a few weeks. It's for a | :25:04. | :25:09. | |
lifetime, so you need to care for them properly. They don't require | :25:09. | :25:14. | |
much care, but you've got to offer the right care. Today there are | :25:14. | :25:19. | |
going to be prizes for the best in show hedgehogs. Most of it's on | :25:19. | :25:21. | |
health, temperament, what the hedgehog looks like, perfect ears | :25:21. | :25:28. | |
and things like that. We can drop a few points to decide the winner so | :25:28. | :25:32. | |
they all don't win. Some people argue it's the ideal pet, it's | :25:33. | :25:36. | |
nocturnal, I can be out all day at work, come home, play with my | :25:36. | :25:42. | |
hedgehog? Just like this! But... You can't play with it, it's an | :25:42. | :25:46. | |
animal! You can't play with an animal. Dogs and cats have been | :25:46. | :25:51. | |
bred in captivity for 10,000 years. This guy has been bred in captivity, | :25:51. | :25:56. | |
but they've had 10 years to get used to being domesticated. They're | :25:57. | :25:59. | |
not designed to be domesticated animals, and they don't want to be | :26:00. | :26:04. | |
domesticated animals. And it's simple as that. They don't enjoy | :26:04. | :26:07. | |
being a pet. Are you saying that a wild native British hedgehog | :26:07. | :26:13. | |
wouldn't behave like this or would? It would behave like this. One of | :26:13. | :26:17. | |
my great worries is that, they sell these for �150 each, which is a lot | :26:17. | :26:24. | |
of money in these times. What worries me is people are going to | :26:24. | :26:27. | |
go outside and pick up a British hedgehog which doesn't cost them | :26:27. | :26:31. | |
anything and keep that in captivity. And it shouldn't be. Picking up | :26:31. | :26:35. | |
British hedgehogs, we're just going to run out of hedgehogs. | :26:35. | :26:40. | |
Back at the hedgehog show, tensions are rising. Can I just make a point | :26:40. | :26:44. | |
here that hedgehogs should not actually be kept on hay or straw. | :26:44. | :26:48. | |
I'll have a word with the person who it is later. It can get wrapped | :26:48. | :26:51. | |
around their paws and cut circulation off, so it's not a good | :26:51. | :26:56. | |
substrate to use. And what does it feel like when you're watching them | :26:56. | :26:59. | |
judging, picking your hedgehog up? It's scary because I've never done | :26:59. | :27:04. | |
this before, I'm new to it. winners of the females under five | :27:04. | :27:14. | |
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And if there were any children watching, what advice would you | :27:14. | :27:18. | |
have about if they were going to get a hedgehog? A really sensible | :27:18. | :27:24. | |
bit of advice? Hold them every day at least to make them used to you. | :27:24. | :27:27. | |
What do you think about people who get one and then give up? You've | :27:27. | :27:32. | |
got to keep trying, it's not very fair. You've got to keep trying. | :27:32. | :27:35. | |
the operating theatre, with his cuts cleaned and dressed with honey, | :27:35. | :27:39. | |
the victim of the dog bite is coming round from the anaesthetic. | :27:39. | :27:44. | |
He's all right? There we go! A bit sleepy, we'll pop you back in your | :27:44. | :27:48. | |
cage. Hedgehogs have always been one of our most popular mammals, | :27:48. | :27:53. | |
and that popularity helps generate funds for Les at the hospital. But | :27:53. | :27:57. | |
he feels that having them as pets and keeping them at home is just a | :27:57. | :28:01. | |
step too far. Before all these fads, they had canaries in cages, little | :28:01. | :28:09. | |
canary cages, and goldfish in bowls. Inhumane. Him in a cage is inhumane. | :28:09. | :28:19. | |
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He wants to walk two miles a night. And that's just about it for this | :28:20. | :28:26. | |
week. Don't forget the e-mail, [email protected]. I'll see you | :28:26. | :28:31. | |
next time. A licence to make money. �564. | :28:31. | :28:40. | |
3680. -- �680. The South's controversial car clamper. | :28:40. | :28:43. | |
Are you Mr White? How can you justify 600 quid? Disgusting, the | :28:43. | :28:46. |