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Inside Out. Tonight we challenge the people arguing for and against | :00:04. | :00:07. | |
high speed rail in the Midlands that they, and not their opponents, | :00:07. | :00:17. | |
are right. HS2 costs an arm and a leg and it's | :00:17. | :00:24. | |
not all it's cracked up to be. There is no risk to high speed rail. | :00:24. | :00:28. | |
The future waits for nobody. The real risk for us is that we miss | :00:28. | :00:34. | |
the train and end up standing on the platform. | :00:34. | :00:44. | |
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I'm Mary Rhodes, join me on a high Now this week we have handed our | :00:50. | :00:54. | |
programme with very different views. We gave them each a cameraman, | :00:54. | :00:57. | |
editor, and director, who, despite years of training in balance and | :00:57. | :01:07. | |
impartiality, have helped them make unashamedly partizan pieces. The | :01:07. | :01:17. | |
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first film comes from Simon Topman There are a lot of myths | :01:21. | :01:24. | |
surrounding the proposals of High Speed Rail, many of them arising | :01:24. | :01:33. | |
through a fear of change, but change is what powers progress. | :01:33. | :01:36. | |
From canal boats to steam power, spaghetti junction to an | :01:36. | :01:38. | |
International airport, for centuries our economy has relied on | :01:38. | :01:47. | |
a sophisticated network of transport. To its opponents, High | :01:47. | :01:50. | |
Speed Rail is an expensive risk we can't afford to take they believe | :01:50. | :01:53. | |
that High Speed Rail is not necessary for our future | :01:53. | :02:02. | |
development. But just like the Victorian's and their magnificent | :02:02. | :02:05. | |
railways, the only risk in this High Speed Rail proposal, is not | :02:05. | :02:15. | |
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getting on board at all. The West Coast Railway was built in the | :02:22. | :02:32. | |
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1840s and has been the backbone of the network ever since. The use of | :02:33. | :02:36. | |
the West Coast Mainline has more than doubled in recent years and it | :02:36. | :02:44. | |
now carries more than 28m passengers every year. What is the | :02:44. | :02:50. | |
biggest problem with the West Coast Mainline? The line massively over | :02:50. | :03:00. | |
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capacity, it is one of the busiest passenger lines in the country. | :03:01. | :03:03. | |
WCML is carrying freight services, long distance, regional & local | :03:03. | :03:13. | |
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services all on one track it's like cramming the M6 into a single lane. | :03:16. | :03:20. | |
So, why don't they simply have more trains? More trains mean high speed | :03:20. | :03:30. | |
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rail and less stops. How are the passengers at Coventry Station | :03:31. | :03:36. | |
benefit from HS2? Are they going to miss out because they are not | :03:36. | :03:41. | |
connected to it? Absolutely not. Many of the people will find the | :03:41. | :03:43. | |
new Birmingham Interchange line even more convenient to them, with | :03:43. | :03:53. | |
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very fast services. At Coventry, trains will become less crowded and | :03:53. | :04:03. | |
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with new services in Birmingham, better cross-country services. | :04:07. | :04:14. | |
if HS2 doesn't stop at your station you will benefit. Opponents of HS2 | :04:14. | :04:16. | |
have suggested alternatives, but none of them will deal with | :04:16. | :04:26. | |
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overcrowding. That is not just an issue form West Coast Mainline, but | :04:28. | :04:38. | |
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for local commuter services. rarely get a seat on the way home, | :04:38. | :04:45. | |
I don't even try. I am tetchy, want my tea, and I have paid �3,500 for | :04:45. | :04:55. | |
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a season ticket. I hated being a moany British person, but it is not | :04:56. | :05:06. | |
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on. A rail executive tells me more about the problem. We are already | :05:06. | :05:09. | |
having some of our commuter services pushed out of the way by | :05:09. | :05:13. | |
the big trains. What this will allow us to do is have a lot more | :05:13. | :05:23. | |
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commuter services, and intergrated network. Opponents tell us that the | :05:24. | :05:34. | |
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Eastside station is too far away, but a tram network will connect it. | :05:37. | :05:40. | |
So HS2 is not designed as an isolated rich man's toy, it's part | :05:40. | :05:43. | |
of an integrated transport strategy that will revolutionise our future, | :05:43. | :05:46. | |
getting the freight off the roads and onto the railways and | :05:46. | :05:53. | |
mobilising our work force. People want better access to jobs to | :05:53. | :06:01. | |
enable us to connect to skilled workforce. With youth unployment | :06:01. | :06:04. | |
raching one million, HS2 could provide much needed jobs in the | :06:04. | :06:14. | |
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region. It could provide 22,000 jobs to area, not just in the | :06:15. | :06:17. | |
construction of the line and staffing the various hubs but by | :06:17. | :06:27. | |
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attracting new investors and mobilising our workforce. The value | :06:31. | :06:36. | |
to the public? A wage increase of up to �300 per annum as demand for | :06:36. | :06:38. | |
our workforce increases their value. They're impressive figures, and as | :06:38. | :06:41. | |
the West Midlands falls within phase one of the project, our | :06:41. | :06:44. | |
economy & skilled workforce will begin to benefit from the moment | :06:44. | :06:52. | |
construction begins in 2017 Look at Jaguar Landrover. On it's knees | :06:52. | :07:00. | |
just 4 years ago, now thriving. The difference is investment. We need | :07:00. | :07:04. | |
to invest in the railways, now, before it is too late. If you | :07:04. | :07:13. | |
invest you will progress. Opponents tell us that HS2 will mean better | :07:13. | :07:23. | |
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connections to London, leading to a brain-drain. Leading cooperate law | :07:23. | :07:32. | |
firms disagree. We have lower operating costs, their will be | :07:32. | :07:42. | |
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people coming out of London, like the 90s. The cost is �2bn per annum | :07:53. | :07:55. | |
this is currently being spent in London on Crossrail so come 2017 | :07:56. | :07:59. | |
those funds will be diverted & just like that upgrade, this is not | :07:59. | :08:02. | |
going to impact on budgets or commitments to the road network and | :08:02. | :08:05. | |
other services. They are saying to us, we will continue spending this | :08:05. | :08:15. | |
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money and we want to spend it in your region. That sounds great. | :08:33. | :08:36. | |
fact the west Midlands expect a financial return from HS2, but that | :08:36. | :08:39. | |
doesn't mean we shouldn't be wary of big cost project like this, | :08:39. | :08:49. | |
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after all it's a massive investment, and it needs scrutinising. But look | :08:55. | :09:00. | |
at the fuss we made over the development of the NEC. They called | :09:00. | :09:03. | |
it a white elephant and feared it would draw money away from the city | :09:03. | :09:07. | |
& towns that surround it, but look at it now. They opened this in 1976 | :09:07. | :09:12. | |
and got so much aggro. We need to be brave now. The NEC now | :09:12. | :09:22. | |
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contribute �2 billion to the west midlands economy every year. | :09:32. | :09:35. | |
Employers are telling us they want to invest, and it would be a | :09:35. | :09:45. | |
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disaster not to have it. It would be a disaster for Birmingham, Sony | :09:49. | :09:53. | |
jobs not creative. People who create jobs and wealth are telling | :09:53. | :09:58. | |
us they would like to relocate to Birmingham, a roundabout new | :09:58. | :10:04. | |
station, and not having it will stagnate, and possibly put the | :10:04. | :10:14. | |
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Birmingham economy back. You can look at the costs of HS2. So the | :10:15. | :10:19. | |
question is not what will it cost and can we afford it,' the question | :10:19. | :10:25. | |
is can we really afford NOT to have Convinced? Hogwash, say opponents. | :10:25. | :10:28. | |
Perhaps I should say Hogwarts, as you may spot a few famous faces | :10:28. | :10:31. | |
from Harry Potter as we move on to the film by Warwickshire's Jerry | :10:31. | :10:41. | |
Marshall, a chair of a coalition trying to derail HS2. | :10:41. | :10:49. | |
HS2 costs an arm and a leg and it's not all it's cracked up to be. I'm | :10:50. | :10:53. | |
not alone. Across the country, groups, business people and MPs | :10:53. | :11:00. | |
across the political spectrum have been outspoken in their criticism. | :11:00. | :11:05. | |
In Europe high speed rail lines are closing or going bankrupt. The high | :11:05. | :11:08. | |
speed line in Kent cost the taxpayer billions and is only | :11:08. | :11:13. | |
attracting 30% of the passengers they originally predicted. I'm a | :11:14. | :11:20. | |
businessman and I can see the case for this simply doesn't stack up. | :11:20. | :11:24. | |
And there are much better alternatives. The problem is, HS2 | :11:24. | :11:30. | |
doesn't do what it says on the tin for most Midlands travellers. High | :11:30. | :11:33. | |
speed isn't high speed if your door to door journey time is slower Now | :11:33. | :11:41. | |
you can get from Coventry to London in under an hour. But if the new | :11:41. | :11:48. | |
high speed rail plans go ahead it'll take longer. But these | :11:48. | :11:51. | |
services will be cut back and for Coventrians to use HS2, they'll | :11:51. | :11:54. | |
have to get a train to Birmingham International, another train to the | :11:54. | :11:59. | |
new HS2 station - and finally, the HS2 train itself to London. What is | :11:59. | :12:08. | |
the sense in that? But Coventry's not the only problem. For those | :12:08. | :12:11. | |
arriving here at the proposed HS2 station on Curzon Street in | :12:11. | :12:16. | |
Birmingham.. If you want to go on anywhere else in the region you'll | :12:16. | :12:26. | |
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have to drag all your luggage to here, New Street Station. I am | :12:27. | :12:37. | |
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trying to find New Street Sations. -- station. Do you know where it is. | :12:42. | :12:47. | |
I make that a 20 minute walk. What is the point? So the government | :12:47. | :12:50. | |
invest half a billion pounds for every minute you save getting to | :12:50. | :12:53. | |
Birmingham at high speed then you lose it spending 20 minutes walking | :12:53. | :12:57. | |
at 3mph probably in the rain to catch your next train. I think the | :12:57. | :13:01. | |
real problem with HS2 though is the cost. In this parliament alone the | :13:01. | :13:06. | |
link will cost us nearly 1 billion pounds just on planning! That money | :13:06. | :13:14. | |
is vital from frontline services. We need that money for schools and | :13:14. | :13:24. | |
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hospitals, a far better use of money. We were supposed to have got | :13:25. | :13:32. | |
350 million, which would have reinvented every set secondary | :13:32. | :13:38. | |
school in the country. Far better than destroying the green belt, and | :13:38. | :13:43. | |
put in train lines were people do not need them. Is HS2 a good | :13:43. | :13:46. | |
investment for Coventry City Council? That's �1700 per household, | :13:46. | :13:56. | |
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is that a bargain? There are other options. Do you think that is good | :14:01. | :14:11. | |
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value? That is quite a lot. �1,700 per household, a Great Train | :14:14. | :14:24. | |
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System? Is that a bargain? No way. People can have other options. | :14:25. | :14:29. | |
Instead of them putting the money into that, they should put it into | :14:29. | :14:32. | |
community centres for children. She's right going ahead with high | :14:32. | :14:34. | |
speed will mean cutting vital lifelines for some of the poorest | :14:34. | :14:38. | |
and most vulnerable. Meanwhile you and I are coughing up to pay for | :14:38. | :14:41. | |
what the former Transport Secretary admits is a service for a wealthy | :14:41. | :14:47. | |
minority. Uncomfortable fact number perhaps number one is that the | :14:47. | :14:52. | |
railway is already relatively a rich man's toy. People who use the | :14:52. | :14:54. | |
railway on average have significantly higher incomes than | :14:54. | :15:04. | |
the population as a whole, simple fact. HS2 is totally the wrong | :15:04. | :15:09. | |
priority. But if the project was going to create jobs and growth in | :15:09. | :15:14. | |
the Midlands it might be a price worth paying. We certainly need | :15:14. | :15:24. | |
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something to get us out of this mess. We really needed jobs and | :15:25. | :15:32. | |
growth. Are you kidding, the cat that close, over there. It is a | :15:32. | :15:37. | |
disaster. We don't need it to turn into even more of a backwater. | :15:37. | :15:42. | |
The Department of Transport says it will create a 42,000 more jobs, | :15:42. | :15:47. | |
good news? No. Most of these will not be new jobs, just transfers of | :15:47. | :15:53. | |
existing jobs. The Department of Transport says most the jobs will | :15:53. | :15:59. | |
be in London. Some say HS2 will actually reduce the number of jobs. | :15:59. | :16:09. | |
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Take here. The rusty benefit, with investment -- for us to benefit | :16:09. | :16:13. | |
with investment, we need a new track between Coventry and | :16:13. | :16:21. | |
Birmingham. That would give us benefits in every respect. | :16:21. | :16:27. | |
Employment and connectivity. That would be effective. We are just | :16:27. | :16:35. | |
investing in a narrow stretch of high-speed railway, that will not | :16:35. | :16:41. | |
help the rest of the country. HS2 is not going to boost the | :16:41. | :16:45. | |
productivity, growth or jobs in the Midlands. There is another area | :16:45. | :16:55. | |
where we are being misled, that his capacity. -- that his capacity. We | :16:55. | :17:03. | |
are told we are going to run at capacity between London, Birmingham | :17:03. | :17:11. | |
and Glasgow. Images like this do not tell the whole story. There is | :17:11. | :17:19. | |
a capacity issue at some times are the day. That is not to do with | :17:19. | :17:24. | |
fundamental capacity. That is when the off-peak fares become available. | :17:24. | :17:33. | |
It is the time where people prefer to travel. As Philip Hammond said, | :17:33. | :17:40. | |
the fares are so expensive people can't afford to use them. We don't | :17:40. | :17:50. | |
need a whole new line, just increasing the carriages from five | :17:50. | :17:59. | |
to nine would improve services. It is a simple as that. -- as simple. | :17:59. | :18:08. | |
The demand can be met on the existing route. HS2 would be a | :18:08. | :18:17. | |
disaster for the nation's finances. There is another massive cost. 51 | :18:17. | :18:21. | |
ancient woodlands, wildlife, and areas of outstanding natural beauty | :18:22. | :18:28. | |
would be lost. All set to be ploughed up by this scheme. We need | :18:28. | :18:31. | |
efficient transport systems, but not at the expense of the | :18:31. | :18:38. | |
environment. What, in the end, would be more valuable to our | :18:38. | :18:44. | |
children, and grandchildren? A slightly faster journey to London, | :18:44. | :18:54. | |
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or our countryside? Technology holds the key to the real option. I | :18:57. | :19:05. | |
can link up to these films stars from the Harry Potter films from | :19:05. | :19:14. | |
half way around the world. There is no magic involved. Unless you need | :19:14. | :19:17. | |
to hold something in your hand, there is no in real need to leave | :19:17. | :19:25. | |
the office. -- no real need. degree of me there is no need to | :19:25. | :19:31. | |
spend that money. It is greater to speak to these guys, from where I'm | :19:31. | :19:38. | |
speaking high-speed broadband is much more valuable. -- from where I | :19:38. | :19:46. | |
am sitting. We need to be much more prudent. With no capacity crunch | :19:46. | :19:50. | |
for decades, we have time to sort out the real rail priorities, and | :19:50. | :19:57. | |
get the next stage right. Ask yourself this, do you want the | :19:57. | :20:03. | |
government to spend �1,700 of your money for a single rail line with a | :20:03. | :20:10. | |
dodgy business case? Could be money be better spent? -- of the money be | :20:10. | :20:17. | |
better spent. Write your MP and ask them to kill this. | :20:17. | :20:25. | |
Two films, to well-argued cases -- two well-argued cases. You can | :20:25. | :20:34. | |
comment on our Facebook page. Heres our final film. I take a trip back | :20:34. | :20:40. | |
in time to find out something about our quest for faster trains. | :20:40. | :20:50. | |
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This is the story of how we went from this, to this. Via this. And | :20:56. | :21:04. | |
almost a best. -- almost as this. It is the story how Our Railways | :21:04. | :21:14. | |
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modernised the nation. This is a history of high-speed rail. | :21:15. | :21:20. | |
The coronation. Approve of what can be done, a train back goes faster | :21:20. | :21:30. | |
than 70 mph. Britain got its first taste of high-speed rail in the | :21:30. | :21:38. | |
1930s. This was only for the higher classes, everybody else has | :21:38. | :21:43. | |
travelled slowly. This represented a time when our railways were the | :21:43. | :21:51. | |
envy of the world. By then, the world had moved on. This was the | :21:51. | :21:55. | |
decade when the engineers across the decade develops newer, faster | :21:55. | :22:03. | |
trains. Some did not take-off, but looks like they might. Others did. | :22:03. | :22:12. | |
Back home, British Rail fell behind, they needed a spark. And | :22:13. | :22:20. | |
electrification brought faster rail travel. Rail times almost halved. | :22:20. | :22:30. | |
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This was modernisation. The reality was that once they had done their | :22:30. | :22:36. | |
showpiece project, the West Coast mainline, the wider economy was | :22:36. | :22:42. | |
suffering. British Rail found themselves have a difficult problem, | :22:42. | :22:46. | |
how were they going to compete against the rising tide of | :22:46. | :22:51. | |
motorways, how were they going to survive into the future, let alone | :22:51. | :22:57. | |
develop a bold new future? The answer was the Advanced | :22:57. | :23:06. | |
Passenger Train, or so it seemed. It used revolutionary tilting | :23:06. | :23:16. | |
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technology. The train is designed to iron the bumps out. It was not | :23:18. | :23:21. | |
such a smooth ride. It suffered mechanical problems. Some | :23:22. | :23:27. | |
passengers complained of feeling sick. It was scrapped soon after | :23:28. | :23:37. | |
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launch. It looks as good as any motor car, a Ferrari. It was not | :23:38. | :23:46. | |
the end of the dream. Another fast train was being designed. | :23:46. | :23:53. | |
railway decided, perhaps in parallel, to design a more simple | :23:53. | :24:02. | |
train. It was a prototype. It set a new world record. The diesel- | :24:02. | :24:08. | |
powered InterCity was certainly fast. Few realise how successful it | :24:08. | :24:13. | |
would be. I would not have put money on it lasting as long as it | :24:13. | :24:21. | |
did. The one to five defied the odds, and turned around at the | :24:22. | :24:31. | |
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railways. -- turned around at the railways. It is a success story, | :24:32. | :24:35. | |
the most important trained in the history of Britain's railways in | :24:35. | :24:41. | |
the second half of the 20th century. They took the basic technology, and | :24:41. | :24:47. | |
delivered a high-speed rail service. It was the low-cost answer to the | :24:47. | :24:52. | |
high-speed train. But even this to the train had its limits. The | :24:52. | :24:58. | |
InterCity was fast, it revolutionised rail. But while | :24:58. | :25:03. | |
trains in Japan did more than 140 mph, our busy Victorian | :25:03. | :25:11. | |
infrastructure meant we could not go faster than 125. Japan in the | :25:11. | :25:17. | |
1960s, they built a new railway line. They were so overcrowded, | :25:17. | :25:22. | |
they have to build new trains. We could not delay in this country, we | :25:22. | :25:31. | |
could not afford it. -- we could not do it in this country. | :25:31. | :25:36. | |
answer was to build a new railway lines. Money was tight, but British | :25:36. | :25:43. | |
Rail plan to do that. The Channel Tunnel from London to Kent would be | :25:43. | :25:53. | |
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high-speed rail in its truest sense. What do they want to do here? | :25:53. | :26:00. | |
wanted to put it here. Not everyone embraced this revolution. It went | :26:00. | :26:05. | |
through villages like this one in Kent. British Rail bought up the | :26:05. | :26:13. | |
houses, but it divided the community. It was devastating. | :26:13. | :26:19. | |
Neighbours were able to sell, the others couldn't. A be created a bad | :26:19. | :26:28. | |
atmosphere. -- it created a bad atmosphere. It split families. Some | :26:28. | :26:36. | |
end up in the divorce court. approaches London from the east, | :26:36. | :26:46. | |
and terminate at King's Cross! -- terminates. It had a lasting effect, | :26:46. | :26:56. | |
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they changed the line. It has taken a long time. What you think of the | :26:57. | :27:03. | |
line-out? It is all right. I have been on it a couple of times. All | :27:03. | :27:11. | |
of that for 20 minutes between Paris, was it worth it. -- was it | :27:11. | :27:21. | |
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worth it? The Channel tunnel is now run by a separate company. It is | :27:24. | :27:31. | |
huge. It is the same as the first 100 mph train. You have daily | :27:31. | :27:41. | |
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services cruising over 200 mph. It revolutionised well-travelled. | :27:41. | :27:45. | |
history of high-speed train travel in Britain is long, and sometimes | :27:45. | :27:49. | |
controversial. We could go faster, reduce journey times, but for that | :27:49. | :27:56. | |
to happen, something has to change. The question raised, just how much | :27:56. | :28:02. | |
of a change is anyone prepared to accept. The options for the future | :28:02. | :28:10. | |
are, we either go for High Speed Two, which would release capacity, | :28:11. | :28:19. | |
all we changed the network to cope with the amount of traffic. We | :28:19. | :28:26. | |
cannot do nothing. Will start to go backwards. -- we will start to go | :28:26. | :28:32. |