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Hello. Tonight we're in Bristol, a city that finds itself in the | :00:02. | :00:05. | |
national spotlight once again as the Jo Yeates murder trial reaches | :00:05. | :00:14. | |
its conclusion. Vincent Tabak guilty of murder. And | :00:14. | :00:24. | |
following the case new revelations about his shady background. | :00:24. | :00:27. | |
It is a manipulative man, very cunning, he watched this | :00:27. | :00:33. | |
investigation unfold. Also in the programme, this man says he can | :00:33. | :00:38. | |
help you avoid paying for care in your old age. I'm here to show you | :00:38. | :00:41. | |
how you can avoid care fees. good to be true? And should this | :00:41. | :00:48. | |
man be allowed to seek help from his wife to end his life? I don't | :00:48. | :00:51. | |
be -- I don't think people realise what an awful thing it is, you | :00:51. | :00:59. | |
cannot relieve their pain. This is all I can do for him. With | :00:59. | :01:01. | |
surprising stories from familiar places you're watching Inside Out | :01:01. | :01:11. | |
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This is Canynge Road in Bristol, a street we've all become familiar | :01:14. | :01:17. | |
with after the events of the 17th December last year. It was here | :01:17. | :01:21. | |
that Jo Yeates met her death at the hands of her next door neighbour | :01:21. | :01:23. | |
Vincent Tabak. After the jury delivered its verdict, additional | :01:23. | :01:26. | |
evidence emerged that Tabak had accessed violent pornography on his | :01:26. | :01:28. | |
computer. Our home affairs correspondent Steve Brodie has been | :01:28. | :01:38. | |
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investigating the secret life of Tabak thought his cleverness and | :01:43. | :01:45. | |
deceit would prevent him being convicted of a brutal murder. He | :01:45. | :01:49. | |
was wrong. He is a manipulative man, very cunning, he watched this | :01:49. | :01:58. | |
investigation unfold. We fully expected him to lie when he went | :01:58. | :02:03. | |
into the witness box Jo Yeates' killer is behind bars. Vincent | :02:03. | :02:09. | |
Tabak. Guilty of a murder that's dominated the news for weeks. | :02:09. | :02:12. | |
Tonight I talk exclusively to the man in charge of his defence, and | :02:12. | :02:15. | |
ask why the judge wouldn't admit evidence about Tabak's contact with | :02:15. | :02:22. | |
prostitutes and his use of violent pornography. It proved very little | :02:22. | :02:27. | |
as to what actually happened in the fatal few minutes in Joanna's flat. | :02:27. | :02:33. | |
Jo Yeates was murdered here days before Christmas. But after a | :02:33. | :02:36. | |
three-week trial, we're no closer to knowing the truth of those | :02:36. | :02:42. | |
fateful minutes. Tabak said he was invited in. Jo was his neighbour. | :02:42. | :02:47. | |
That he misread the signs. And he didn't mean to kill her. No-one | :02:47. | :02:53. | |
believed him, especially the man who caught him. We believe that | :02:53. | :02:59. | |
Joanna was killed very shortly after she arrived home. The only | :02:59. | :03:02. | |
two people who know what happened that night, one is Jo and | :03:02. | :03:11. | |
unfortunately, she was killed. And it's Vincent Tabak. So who is | :03:11. | :03:16. | |
Vincent Tabak? I sat in this court day after day for three weeks | :03:16. | :03:21. | |
watching him, he was always calm and collected. He would sit with | :03:21. | :03:24. | |
his head in his hands, only feet away from Jo's parents and her | :03:24. | :03:30. | |
boyfriend, Greg Reardon. And even when the judge sent him down for a | :03:30. | :03:35. | |
minimum of 20 years, he again showed little, if any emotion. I | :03:35. | :03:38. | |
was there when they discovered Jo's body on Christmas Day, left by the | :03:38. | :03:41. | |
side of the road and covered in leaves and snow, and when the | :03:41. | :03:49. | |
missing person's inquiry turned into a murder hunt. That would | :03:49. | :03:52. | |
ultimately bring out Tabak's lies and an interest in prostitutes and | :03:52. | :04:01. | |
hardcore, violent pornography that Tabak's story starts in Holland | :04:01. | :04:04. | |
where the police first really interviewed him and the people who | :04:04. | :04:14. | |
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knew him. People that we spoke to there describe almost a social | :04:17. | :04:20. | |
inadequate, couldn't put it in any different words to that. Someone | :04:20. | :04:22. | |
who was probably not particularly comfortable around woman, | :04:22. | :04:29. | |
comfortable in social circumstances, even amongst his peers. This is a | :04:29. | :04:32. | |
view shared by some of those who knew Tabak here, Uden, Holland, | :04:32. | :04:42. | |
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where he grew up. Sometimes, he say something, sometimes he was in his | :04:45. | :04:49. | |
own and he didn't see you and he didn't say anything. There was home, | :04:49. | :04:52. | |
old parents, a little boy only in the house, older brother and | :04:52. | :04:55. | |
sisters were out of the house, so, I think he was perhaps a little | :04:55. | :05:05. | |
lonesome. But it was back to that family in Holland that Tabak | :05:05. | :05:08. | |
travelled for the New Year, calmly, coolly, with his girlfriend, days | :05:08. | :05:15. | |
after killing Jo. As her parents laid their flowers in the snow, | :05:15. | :05:18. | |
Tabak was online, already looking to keep one step ahead of the | :05:18. | :05:24. | |
investigation. He researched details of the unsolved murders of | :05:24. | :05:27. | |
Melanie Hall and Anni Dewani, looked up how he could get rid of | :05:27. | :05:35. | |
evidence and even watched a time lapse video of a body decomposing. | :05:35. | :05:38. | |
You've heard the evidence from his internet use of how he was | :05:38. | :05:43. | |
monitoring media reports. He'd also researched around the definitions | :05:43. | :05:46. | |
of murder and manslaughter, so he was fully aware of what we, the | :05:46. | :05:48. | |
prosecution, had to prove for murder, and likewise, what was | :05:48. | :05:57. | |
necessary for manslaughter. But it was the other websites he was | :05:57. | :06:04. | |
looking at that really concerned the police. On the morning of the | :06:04. | :06:06. | |
murder he was looking at pornography but more chillingly | :06:06. | :06:09. | |
days after strangling Jo, he was watching violent hardcore images of | :06:09. | :06:12. | |
men choking women during sex, images of women tied up in car | :06:12. | :06:21. | |
boots, and others being bound and gagged. But the judge ruled this | :06:21. | :06:23. | |
information couldn't be put before the jury, even Tabak's girlfriend | :06:23. | :06:28. | |
and her father knew nothing about it, and told us it was depraved. | :06:28. | :06:30. | |
Neither could the jury hear that Tabak had contacted prostitutes | :06:30. | :06:33. | |
while in the US on business, including at this hotel, where he | :06:33. | :06:40. | |
checked in under a false name. The judge said none of this could prove | :06:40. | :06:44. | |
the killing was premeditated. And Tabak's defence lawyer, who spoke | :06:44. | :06:48. | |
exclusively to me just two hours before the verdict, agreed. | :06:48. | :06:51. | |
Sometimes people think because there is some bad character, or | :06:51. | :06:57. | |
reprehensive behaviour, it must go in. It doesn't follow that it has | :06:57. | :07:03. | |
to go in. It has to go in to prove a point. Even if it had been | :07:03. | :07:06. | |
admissible, there's then the further test as to whether it would | :07:06. | :07:09. | |
be prejudicial and derail a fair trial, we didn't actually get to | :07:09. | :07:17. | |
that. But it clearly in my view would've been prejudicial. It | :07:17. | :07:22. | |
didn't actually go to what actually happened in that period of time. | :07:22. | :07:25. | |
But Tabak's lawyer admits they never claimed that Tabak was an | :07:25. | :07:31. | |
innocent. Whilst the material may well have been considered | :07:31. | :07:36. | |
reprehensible in many respects. What the judge did say is that Mr | :07:36. | :07:38. | |
Tabak could not promote himself effectively before the jury as a | :07:38. | :07:46. | |
man of good character. Mr Clegg who conducted the defence for Mr Tabak | :07:47. | :07:50. | |
was at pains to ensure we did not go down that path. We were very | :07:50. | :07:53. | |
neutral when it came to Mr Tabak's character. Jo's family have mixed | :07:54. | :07:59. | |
views. Her brother Chris told us the jury should have known about | :07:59. | :08:02. | |
Tabak's character, but no-one wanted a prejudiced trial, or an | :08:02. | :08:07. | |
appeal. Her father said it was right the jury didn't know and | :08:07. | :08:12. | |
wasn't certain the pornography had contributed to the murder. This | :08:12. | :08:15. | |
barrister and member of the justice select committee acknowledges that | :08:15. | :08:18. | |
had Tabak got away with murder, there could've been public outrage | :08:18. | :08:24. | |
The public will rightly ask questions and be concerned. But I | :08:24. | :08:27. | |
think they need reassuring that the law has been changed, that material | :08:27. | :08:30. | |
is capable of being admitted before a jury, but only on a very strict | :08:30. | :08:40. | |
test of relevance. And let's imagine for a moment, that it's you | :08:40. | :08:43. | |
or me in the dock, or any of our friends and family, we would expect | :08:43. | :08:46. | |
fairness, we would expect strict tests to be applied when it comes | :08:46. | :08:49. | |
to previous material relating to bad character that may have | :08:49. | :08:52. | |
happened years ago, which may not have any relevance in the case, but | :08:52. | :08:55. | |
which if it went in before a jury, could unfairly prejudice a | :08:55. | :09:04. | |
defendant in their eyes. I'd rather have safe convictions and fair | :09:04. | :09:07. | |
trials than witch hunts and a general blackening of character | :09:07. | :09:15. | |
which is irrelevant to the issue in the case. I think we've got the | :09:15. | :09:24. | |
Jo Yeates' father David has told the BBC he was still trying to come | :09:24. | :09:27. | |
to terms with what he felt, he's still got a lot of unanswered | :09:27. | :09:30. | |
questions, but at least he's got a starting point for the rest of his | :09:30. | :09:35. | |
life. As far as Vincent Tabak is concerned, we still don't know | :09:35. | :09:39. | |
everything about his secret life. The police are still questioning | :09:39. | :09:47. | |
him and there could be further Steve Brodie on the trial of | :09:47. | :09:54. | |
Vincent Tabak who was found guilty of murder on Friday. Later in the | :09:54. | :09:57. | |
programme the Wiltshire man hoping that a change in the law will allow | :09:57. | :10:06. | |
his wife to assist in his death. Some days it this life gets too | :10:06. | :10:13. | |
much for me and a break down and Needing care when you're older | :10:13. | :10:17. | |
could cost around �50,000 a year. So, when someone tells you that he | :10:17. | :10:20. | |
has a way of getting someone else to foot the bill, well, that sounds | :10:20. | :10:24. | |
like a tempting offer. David Whiteley's been investigating a | :10:24. | :10:26. | |
company targeting pensioners here in the West with just such a | :10:26. | :10:36. | |
promise. One in four of us will need long- | :10:36. | :10:41. | |
term care and if you have more than �23,000 in savings and property you | :10:41. | :10:45. | |
will be expected to pay for your care. That is a worry for some | :10:45. | :10:52. | |
people who would rather keep their assets in the family. I am a co- | :10:52. | :10:55. | |
founder of the Universal Group and I am here to show you how you can | :10:55. | :11:01. | |
avoid care fees. This man claims he knows how you can avoid fees. He | :11:01. | :11:05. | |
says he is better than a solicitor. Your local solicitor wouldn't be | :11:05. | :11:13. | |
able to do this. They come to us to do it. Five years ago Bernard and | :11:13. | :11:18. | |
Christine wanted new wills. They went to Steve long. Earlier this | :11:18. | :11:22. | |
year he phoned Bernard unexpectedly. His business had a new product, to | :11:22. | :11:30. | |
avoid care fees. He said you could get out of paying care home fees by | :11:30. | :11:35. | |
setting this trussed up that would stop the council getting their | :11:35. | :11:42. | |
hands on your money. -- setting this trussed up. It would be �3,000. | :11:42. | :11:48. | |
It is a lot of money. Our first reaction was, we would have to | :11:48. | :11:55. | |
think about that. In the end he managed to talk us into agreeing | :11:55. | :12:01. | |
with him, but I have since found that if a trust was set up for that | :12:01. | :12:08. | |
sole purpose, that would disqualify itself. Beryl also had a visit from | :12:08. | :12:13. | |
Steve long. He said the money would all be ring-fenced that you | :12:13. | :12:21. | |
couldn't, the government couldn't get hold of it. For care home fees. | :12:21. | :12:26. | |
He suddenly says there is a fee you have to pay, and if possible we | :12:26. | :12:36. | |
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would like to have it tonight. It was �3,500. We have asked several | :12:38. | :12:44. | |
solicitors and they have told us similar trusts would cost between | :12:44. | :12:48. | |
712 hundred pounds. Care home fees cannot run to thousands of pounds | :12:48. | :12:55. | |
he year so it is only natural to worry about these costs. Steve runs | :12:55. | :13:01. | |
seminars to explain his solutions to these concerns. | :13:01. | :13:06. | |
We went to some of his seminars and listened to whose claims about | :13:06. | :13:11. | |
himself and his products. This one was in Bristol. We do seminars like | :13:11. | :13:21. | |
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this for solicitors. You have the whole room of solicitors | :13:21. | :13:24. | |
specialising in elderly client care and not one of them knows how to do | :13:24. | :13:34. | |
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it. It is a specialist niche stop - - specialist niche. Caroline is a | :13:35. | :13:40. | |
solicitor specialising in wills and Administration of Estates. Perils | :13:40. | :13:48. | |
of professional lawyers who undertake wills and trusts, and | :13:48. | :13:54. | |
membership of solicitors for the elderly will have many thousands of | :13:54. | :13:59. | |
members together he would be able to set up these sorts of trusts. | :13:59. | :14:04. | |
But also they have to have a very good working understanding of | :14:04. | :14:11. | |
social care assessments and funding. She wants to make sure that Peter's | :14:11. | :14:15. | |
inheritance... The man behind the group is Stephen long. In his | :14:15. | :14:20. | |
seminars he makes many claims that make him and his companies and | :14:20. | :14:24. | |
well-connected and important. work with a top barrister in the | :14:24. | :14:28. | |
country, we do seminars with solicitors. We have spoken to the | :14:28. | :14:32. | |
Bar Council and they told us no one would claim to be the country's top | :14:32. | :14:37. | |
barrister. He doesn't seem to be quite as well connected as he | :14:37. | :14:41. | |
claims, but he does sound well qualified. And a qualified | :14:41. | :14:48. | |
accountant and a lawyer. He isn't. We have checked with the UK | :14:48. | :14:52. | |
accountancy organisations and the solicitors Regulation Authority. He | :14:52. | :14:57. | |
is a member of the Society of trusts and Estate Practitioners. | :14:57. | :15:02. | |
How accurate are his crimes? An undercover producer asked him if | :15:03. | :15:07. | |
the elderly person who isn't well could use one of the trusts to | :15:07. | :15:12. | |
avoid care fees. Provided he hasn't already been assessed or receiving | :15:12. | :15:17. | |
care, it is straightforward. local authority will look at the | :15:17. | :15:21. | |
reasons for trust was actually created, and if they feel it was | :15:21. | :15:27. | |
done for the purpose of putting the asset beyond their reach, then of | :15:27. | :15:31. | |
course they could take it into account in an assessment and treat | :15:31. | :15:37. | |
the person as if they still have the asset. If the motive is to | :15:37. | :15:40. | |
avoid paying care home fees the trust may end up doing precisely | :15:41. | :15:48. | |
the opposite. That is exactly how Steve Long markets his product. | :15:48. | :15:52. | |
am here to show you how you can avoid fees. In the end it is the | :15:52. | :15:56. | |
local authority who decides so we asked the local government | :15:56. | :15:59. | |
association which represents local authorities just what the rules are. | :15:59. | :16:03. | |
They told us if you put your assets into a trust deliberately designed | :16:03. | :16:08. | |
to avoid care fees the local authority can treat you as they | :16:08. | :16:12. | |
used still own the assets. That seems clear. So we wrote to Mr Long | :16:12. | :16:16. | |
to explain why he gives misleading statements in his seminars. His | :16:16. | :16:20. | |
office told us he was out of the country until the end of the week. | :16:20. | :16:24. | |
Then is of his claim some of his mistakes were due to an ear | :16:24. | :16:27. | |
infection. I hope his hearing is better now because he is still in | :16:27. | :16:31. | |
the country and giving a seminar at this hotel here in Gloucester and | :16:31. | :16:38. | |
they do hope his hearing is better. I have got a few questions for him. | :16:38. | :16:43. | |
His office said universal asset protection is totally committed to | :16:43. | :16:48. | |
excellent customer care and that their fees are not excessive. But | :16:48. | :16:55. | |
he has not given specific answers to most of our questions. I have | :16:55. | :16:59. | |
got to rescue a question. Why is it you are selling a product called | :16:59. | :17:02. | |
How to avoid care fees when by marketing it as that you are in | :17:02. | :17:07. | |
fact possibly, could be, rendering it useless. That is not the advice | :17:07. | :17:11. | |
we have received. Nice of you to have come unannounced into a | :17:11. | :17:16. | |
seminar. We have been in touch, asked you a few questions about the | :17:16. | :17:20. | |
validity of what you're doing with these trusts. Actually wear | :17:21. | :17:24. | |
advertising ourselves as how to avoid care fees you are shooting | :17:24. | :17:27. | |
yourself in the third. It is not the advice we have received. | :17:27. | :17:32. | |
have you received it from, this is from the government? | :17:32. | :17:37. | |
When we look at the cases we dealt with and you have put me on the | :17:37. | :17:41. | |
spot... A we have been trying to get in touch with you, your office | :17:41. | :17:46. | |
told us you are the country. I am not prepared to discuss and | :17:46. | :17:49. | |
television the intellectual property we have, all I can say is | :17:49. | :17:55. | |
the trust that we used as 100% track-record, we have documentary | :17:55. | :17:58. | |
evidence of local authorities except in the trust works. | :17:58. | :18:03. | |
market yourself as one of only five companies but specialises in this | :18:03. | :18:08. | |
kind of the elderly care trusts and that is not true. We say we are one | :18:08. | :18:11. | |
of five specialist providers that we know of their provide these for | :18:11. | :18:15. | |
other people. Any firm of solicitors who knows and | :18:15. | :18:18. | |
understands the rules around this would be able to do that. Strange | :18:18. | :18:23. | |
that he said the opposite when he didn't know he was being recorded. | :18:23. | :18:28. | |
Your local solicitor will not be able to do this. It is a specialist | :18:28. | :18:33. | |
niche. So which Mr Long should we believe and what, I learn? If you | :18:34. | :18:37. | |
are thinking of putting your property into a trust to avoid care | :18:37. | :18:40. | |
fees remember, they are not suitable for everyone and they may | :18:40. | :18:50. | |
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not work. My first reaction was to say no. But he continued and | :18:50. | :18:56. | |
eventually wore a stand. If you have put him you'll know he is a | :18:56. | :19:06. | |
pleasant man and obviously a good And if there's something you'd like | :19:06. | :19:09. | |
us to investigate then why not get in touch? Our email address is | :19:09. | :19:18. | |
It is one of the most difficult ethical questions of our time is it | :19:18. | :19:24. | |
ever acceptable to assist in the death of a loved one? In the next | :19:24. | :19:27. | |
few weeks, the Commission on Assisted Dying is due to present | :19:27. | :19:30. | |
its recommendations on what system, if any, should be set up to allow | :19:30. | :19:40. | |
Like most people I didn't give suicide a thought despite being | :19:40. | :19:44. | |
able to do it legally. Then I had my stroke and the choice of life or | :19:44. | :19:48. | |
death was taken away from me. It certainly is true that you don't | :19:48. | :19:51. | |
know what you have until you no longer have it. Tony Nicklinson | :19:51. | :19:55. | |
would like to end his life. Six years ago, a massive stroke left | :19:55. | :20:02. | |
him paralysed below the neck and unable to speak. His condition is | :20:02. | :20:05. | |
called locked in syndrome. He is rarely able to leave his home in | :20:05. | :20:11. | |
Melksham. Right from the word go, when he was still in intensive care, | :20:11. | :20:15. | |
I said to the doctors, he won't want to live like this. We knew it | :20:15. | :20:20. | |
would come. But because of his disabilities, | :20:20. | :20:25. | |
Tony needs his wife Jane to help him to end his life. For this, she | :20:25. | :20:29. | |
could face a murder charge. So together, they are trying to change | :20:29. | :20:36. | |
the law. I can't see how anybody could think it's right that Tony's | :20:36. | :20:44. | |
right to take his own life has been taken away. Jane has told her | :20:44. | :20:47. | |
husband's story to a commission set up to explore whether people should | :20:47. | :20:51. | |
be given assistance to die. The commission has been contacted by | :20:51. | :21:01. | |
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over a thousand people since it launched a year ago. In the coming | :21:03. | :21:06. | |
weeks, it'll report its suggestions to Parliament. Something in excess | :21:06. | :21:09. | |
of 80% of the population in the UK would like some change in | :21:09. | :21:11. | |
legislation. But the work of the commission has enraged those | :21:11. | :21:15. | |
campaigners who don't want a change in the law. There's no chance of it | :21:15. | :21:18. | |
producing any worthwhile conclusion at all. It's purely a publicity | :21:18. | :21:28. | |
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Tributes have been paid to the husband and wife from acrobat who | :21:33. | :21:39. | |
travelled to a Swiss euthanasia clinic. More than 150 people have | :21:39. | :21:42. | |
ended their lives by travelling from the UK to countries where | :21:42. | :21:44. | |
assisted suicide is legal. Nobody has yet been prosecuted for | :21:44. | :21:47. | |
accompanying them. But assisting somebody to end their life is | :21:47. | :21:51. | |
illegal in the UK, which means Tony Nicklinson must continue to live a | :21:51. | :21:57. | |
life that's unrecognizable from the one he enjoyed before his stroke. | :21:57. | :22:00. | |
He was the life and soul of the party type. An ex-rugby player, a | :22:00. | :22:05. | |
real alpha male, bit of a daredevil. You know, he went sky diving, did | :22:05. | :22:10. | |
all sorts of crazy things. Tony could outlive Jane. His condition | :22:10. | :22:17. | |
might not cut his life short. But now, being unable to speak, move or | :22:17. | :22:25. | |
do anything for himself life has become unbearable for him. He | :22:25. | :22:31. | |
communicates using a computer that recognises his eye movements. | :22:31. | :22:35. | |
case, I awake with dread, knowing that I will have to endure another | :22:35. | :22:38. | |
session of being manhandled by the carers as they shower and dress me | :22:38. | :22:41. | |
to get ready for yet another tedious day. Some days, this life | :22:41. | :22:51. | |
:22:51. | :22:51. | ||
gets too much for me and I break down and cry. He knows that a time | :22:51. | :22:54. | |
will come when he says enough is enough, and really his only option | :22:54. | :22:57. | |
is Switzerland, which he might possibly consider eventually, if | :22:57. | :23:00. | |
our legal case doesn't pan out, or starvation, which is a very nasty | :23:00. | :23:05. | |
way to go. It seemed critically important to all of us, that we | :23:05. | :23:08. | |
went out to see how those countries that had changed legislation, how | :23:08. | :23:13. | |
the change was managed in practice. But I think it's unlikely we'd be | :23:13. | :23:15. | |
able to import any particular system in a country straight into | :23:15. | :23:23. | |
England. But some pro-life campaigners think they've already | :23:23. | :23:30. | |
won the debate and the commission is a waste of time. Most of the | :23:30. | :23:33. | |
reputable people who would normally give evidence have refused to do so, | :23:33. | :23:36. | |
because the subject has been thrashed to death in the House of | :23:36. | :23:40. | |
Lords fairly recently, eight hours of debating. What has happened all | :23:40. | :23:43. | |
over the world, is that pro- euthanasia societies have spoken a | :23:43. | :23:46. | |
lot about the very rare, but very emotive cases of people who could | :23:46. | :23:52. | |
not kill themselves and seriously want to. This is a tiny proportion | :23:52. | :23:55. | |
really, of people, and one has to be sympathetic, but it's very | :23:55. | :23:58. | |
important to make sure people understand that disabled people are | :23:58. | :24:01. | |
very opposed to any change in the law that protects them at the | :24:01. | :24:10. | |
moment. Michael Wenham has motor neurone disease, a degenerative | :24:10. | :24:16. | |
condition that damages the nervous system. He is also worried that a | :24:16. | :24:19. | |
change in the law could affect how society views people with | :24:19. | :24:29. | |
:24:29. | :24:45. | ||
disabilities. People begin to judge Michael relies on his wife Jane to | :24:45. | :24:51. | |
help him. There may be a time when, like Tony, he is unable to do | :24:51. | :24:56. | |
anything for himself. Michael decided not to give evidence to the | :24:56. | :25:00. | |
commission, and Tony relies on his wife to speak on his behalf during | :25:00. | :25:06. | |
debates. So Michael agreed to come to Tony's home to discuss face to | :25:06. | :25:13. | |
face, how legalising assisted dying might affect society. Welcome, | :25:13. | :25:17. | |
please make yourself comfortable. Thank you for agreeing to this | :25:17. | :25:27. | |
:25:27. | :25:37. | ||
But you can determine your own fate, because you can commit suicide | :25:37. | :25:39. | |
without assistance whereas some people cannot. Why deny them the | :25:39. | :25:49. | |
:25:49. | :25:49. | ||
Apology for the loss of subtitles for 65 seconds | :25:49. | :26:55. | |
That isn't the issue. It's about Both Tony and Michael await the | :26:55. | :26:58. | |
recommendations the Commission on Assisted Dying will make in the | :26:58. | :27:04. | |
coming weeks. But Jane Nicklinson is determined to keep fighting for | :27:04. | :27:09. | |
the right to help her husband. Obviously nobody wants to give | :27:09. | :27:13. | |
their husband a lethal dose of something, under any circumstances. | :27:13. | :27:18. | |
If I had to do it, would I be able to do it? I don't know until the | :27:18. | :27:27. | |
time comes. I like to think that I would. It's what he wants and if | :27:27. | :27:30. | |
you love someone, you'd do anything to help them. What more can I do? | :27:30. | :27:35. | |
There's nothing I can do. I don't think people realise what am awful | :27:35. | :27:39. | |
thing it is to see the person that you love in there, and you can't | :27:39. | :27:48. | |
relieve their pain. This is all I And if you'd like details of | :27:48. | :27:51. | |
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then you can call the BBC action line. The number is 08000 566 065. | :27:59. | :28:03. | |
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must bring things to a close tonight but you can continue a | :28:11. | :28:20. | |
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In next week's programme unhappy campers, we meet the protestors | :28:23. | :28:33. | |
:28:33. | :28:33. | ||
who've pitched their tents in the And Britain's Got Talent winner | :28:33. | :28:36. |