12/11/2012 Inside Out Yorkshire and Lincolnshire


How does Leeds now view Jimmy Savile? Heritage crime across the north, and how restoration at York Minster is helping to uncover the glories of a neglected masterpiece.

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Good evening and welcome to Inside Out - stories from your region.


Here is what is on tonight's show. One year after he was buried as a


hero, we find out how the people of Leeds feel about Jimmy Savile pulls


up all of a sudden this man has become an ogre. I am horrified at


what he did. He is a Jekyll-and- Hyde character. It is just for a


war. Also tonight, the criminals taking a liberty with history.


can get an incident on any night of the beaker people urinating in the


city centre. And how we're uncovering the glories of a


neglected masterpiece at York Minster. I will find out how the


crafts men and women have been getting on with their Herculean


task. It is most important because it is about Europe's place in the


beginning and end of all things. -- When you're old Leeds and buried


its most famous son, at Jimmy Savile. Thousands lined the streets.


How do people feel now? Is there a sense of shame? We have been


finding out. In hindsight, the clues were there. It is like


someone telling you you're with the Yorkshire Ripper and she did not


know it. He was a classic cycle path.


He died as he led, in the public eye and flamboyant.


When Jimmy Savile died last year, over 5,000 people came to visit his


coffin. Crowds more lined the streets for his funeral cortege.


Fans, friends and those who were just curious. Leeds people claimed


him as one of their own - he was one of the most famous figures in


Britain, but he had stayed rooted in the city.


Anyone who lives in Leeds, like me, has a memory of Jimmy Savile -


"used to run past my house", "saw him in his favourite restaurant".


This afternoon as we celebrate Jimmy Savile.


And it seems, we were all taken in. The stories that are coming out -


hundreds of claims of child sex abuse, many carried out on the


premises of loved and trusted institutions - have shocked the


world. For the people who turned out last


year to mourn him, it is like a second bereavement.


Many people thought of themselves as Jimmy Savile's friends. Lois


first met him when he fixed it for her to fight Henry Cooper. This


turned into a friendship with the presenter when she later moved to


Leeds. He used to jog along Street Lane,


would stop and talk to anyone. did you feel when you read about


what he had done? Or what he is alleged to have done. I could not


believe it. He seemed genuine and genuinely friendly and nice in 1976.


And every time afterwards. But to think he has been doing this there


will time that he has been famous. It is very uncomfortable. I have


started to put all my memorabilia at to do with him in a box and take


it off the wall, my family do not want to see it. I want to forget it,


I am horrified by what he did, he is a Jekyll and Hyde character. It


is horrible. The first thing they will experience is a sense of shock.


The present that you thought they were suddenly is not.


psychologist has worked with sex offenders for many years.


trusted this person and it is a sense of betrayal. Someone has to


treat themselves in one way and they had not been who you thought


they were. That is a small reflection on the kind of betrayal


that the abuse victims would have felt. I spent a lot of time alone


with them out for lunch and at his flat. I never once found him to be


creepy. If anything he was a perfect gentleman and very


intelligent and why is with good advice about various things. He was


interested in news and current affairs. How did she feel when the


stories began to emerge? I felt sick. Over the last few weeks what


we have seen has been devastating. He was a classic cycle path, at no


question about it. One of those features is I'll ability to beat


superficially charming and to be a very good comparison. Someone who


is good at smoke and mirrors. And then you Allied that with a sense


of grandiosity about who the art and a sense of entitlement. There


are not accountable and normal rules do not apply.


They are trying to erase the reminders of his links to the city,


but even so, there are parts of Leeds that will forever be


associated with the man - Consort Terrace where he grew up, the LGI


where he volunteered as a porter... And here, County Arcade, home of


the old Leeds Mecca dance hall where Jimmy first became a DJ.


This was when rumours began that the entertainer had a more violent


and aggressive side. Legend has it, he was introduced to professional


wrestling by the bouncers at his club. Big Daddy - Shirley Crabtree


- used to do the door for him. His brother Max Crabtree spotted the


DJ's potential as a fighter. He was a bag of Bones. I do not mince


words but he had some spirit. he a good wrestler? No, he was a


man of the world, he knew his role. There were guys there that could


have broken him in half. But he was value for money. Was it a shock


when used on allegations? Yes. An emphatic yes. It felt so sad, in a


way I am glad his mother is dead. She loved him dearly. It would have


been terrible. And I am a family man, all of these things, it is an


aspect of life that you never think about and then all the sudden, it


is there in black and white. Alison to the radio and all of a sudden


this man has become a real ogre. Wherever he went, Jimmy Savile


seemed everybody's friend. But a few resisted the presenter's charm.


I came across him in the early 70s when we met up in a small village.


He popped out of his camper van. I thought he was ridiculous. He was


the most peculiar person I ever filmed. If anyone said that


Frankenstein meet this man and all the bets were not there, I would


say yes, but his time. The managed to get have right of the bolt


through his neck. As time went by, here is a man with a knighthood, he


is a top performing start at BP -- at the BBC, are earning money for


charity, and very powerful. So somebody would say to themselves if


I go to the police and say that I personally as a cameraman think


this guy is a paedophile, they would have asked me what proof at


heart. But he never did have the proof. People ask me why did not


know. In hindsight the clues were there for all to see. But there was


nothing concrete or official. The police had not found anything. They


said there was no evidence. So after that, after the police


inquiries, I just put it down to rumours. I asked him and he looked


me in the face and said that it goes with the territory had that he


had people queuing up outside the room. He was dismissive as that I


was talking nonsense. A year ago I stood here


interviewing mourners at the funeral. This year it is a city


ashamed of its most famous celebrity. Visiting teams chant


abuse at Elland Road, people won't speak and it is not just a


reluctance to be associated, there is a feeling of hurt and betrayal.


When he died it was like a state funeral. At the time I thought it


was a little bit over the top. was a little bit over the top.


was a little bit over the top. Maybe that is just my a being from


Maybe that is just my a being from Leeds. He was a local hero. A


little bit like an embarrassing uncle. How do you feel now? It does


not look good. He has been venerated by as here but also by


the nation. People are rightly proud of someone who is the mess


and does something in society. But that is part of his skill to dupe


people, it made him more Still to come, we go behind the


scenes at York Minster for a very I would historic buildings are a


magnet for tourists and generate millions for the local economy. But


the now also attract the attention of criminals. These heritage cranes


are a problem across the North. He Howarth, an traditional Yorkshire


village. It would be little more than a footnote in a guidebook,


except for one thing. This is the parsonage in Howarth,


which was home to the 19th-Century literary dynasty, the Brontes. In


fact, it was in this very room that Emily Bronte wrote the masterpiece,


Wuthering Heights. Howarth depends on tourists for its


survival. Among the sights is the church where the Brontes' brother,


Branwell was parson, attracting over a million visitors a year. But


now its gates lie closed, another victim of heritage crime. He can


see where some of the water has come through.


How much is it costing to do all these repairs?


Well, we have reached our insurance limit so it has probably cost us


about �5,000 at least, and the gain of the value of the metal, probably


�100 at the most. It looks bad from out here, but it


is only when you step inside that the true cost of the lead theft is


revealed. Well, there you are, you can see


the damage caused by the water, especially in the recent days, it


is really destroying the plaster and the paintwork.


What is the knock-on effect of that, I mean has it damaged any of the


artwork inside? Well, have a look at the top there.


You can see that quite a bit of the artwork has disappeared.


Just the way that the paint is chipping away.


Yes, exactly. You must feel a huge responsibility


to protect this church for future generations?


Oh, definitely. It is the parish church, it is the parish of Howarth.


It belongs to the people of Howarth, so it is not protecting the church


for the sake of the building, it is protecting it for the sake of our


community, and actually Britain generally, because it is an income


generator. English Heritage say that


nationally more than 70,000 listed buildings were damaged in the last


year. The heart of a historic city. If these streets could talk, what


stories would they tell of Chester's past? It was invaded by


the Romans in 79AD. It was besieged by the Royalists during the English


Civil War. But now it is facing its Spending a penny, whatever you call


it, when you get the call of nature, you have to answer, but surely you


wouldn't do it here? Well, you and I wouldn't, but that is exactly


what the town's late night revellers have been doing, turning


Chester's historic rows into an open air toilet.


We became really aware of the problems when businesses started


complaining to us about the problem of urine dripping through from the


rows into the shops below. Seriously?


It was a horrendous situation. Getting through the wood, beneath


to the shops? Dripping all the way through. They


are an ancient structure. You can see there some of the damage that


has been caused by people who have chosen to urinate on the rows.


And that...that paint that has been worn away, that is from urine


eroding it? That is right. So we started to


have a look at what the extent of the problem was, and we had some of


the clean-up teams reporting to us when they were finding pools of


urine. We were horrified to find that there were up to 30 incidents


on any night of the week of people urinating in the city centre.


30 people a night? Up to 30 people a night, and many


of them on these ancient rows. Public urination is nothing new.


Cities the world over are plagued by it. It is a public order offence


and carries a hefty fine of up to �400. But when it threatens


somewhere like Chester, it is a heritage crime.


The city centre is a site of archaeological importance. There


are only five in the country. It is also a major conservation area. We


have got 126 listed buildings of which 11 are grade 1, and 26 grade


2 star. But Chester Council has come up


with a unique way of tackling the problem.


It is Friday night. Chester's medieval past is forgotten, drowned


out by boozy revellers and the clack of high heels. Everyone is


out on the town. All except Paul Hunt and his team.


So tell me about where we are right now?


We are in the CCTV control centre for Cheshire West and Chester


Council. We operate 24 hours a day, 365 days a year. Even on Christmas


Day there is somebody sat in here looking out for other people's


interests. And we store all that information for 31 days.


It is 2am and the pubs and clubs are shutting up. If you are caught


short, even at this hour, the public loos are still open, but


this man has taken matters into his own hands.


Can we just ask you just then, you just... We just saw you weeing, in


the...in the Chester Rows. I never. We just...we just...saw you, why


did you do that? Did you not want to go to a toilet instead?


Well, getting anyone to curb their ways after they have had a few


isn't easy, but this is where the council's clamp-down kicks in


because this man is about to get a rude awakening.


Camera control, is there any 5-1s who can attend The Cross?


The man wanders off, but there is no escape from the CCTV men.


5-1, David to CCTV. Go ahead, David.


Just confirm for us that you have still got this man on camera and


his location. Control, yes yes. Carry on.


Offenders usually face a court appearance, �400 fine and a


criminal record. But Chester's pioneering a different approach.


Instead, anyone caught can pay �75 to go on an awareness course, and


if they do their slate is wiped clean.


We bring them in at 6am in the morning and they get to hear video


presentations on how it affects local businesses, how it affects


schools, residents and then we bring them out on the rows.


The feedback from that is really positive because they say that they


hadn't thought about the consequences to the heritage, to


the children having their picnics, to the tourists, to the people of


Chester, to the people who live here and the people who have to


clear up and so that is a really good thing and none of the people


who have been on the course have reoffended.


There are many types of Heritage crime, but many are fuelled by


metal theft, and in the North East this takes on a sinister form.


They enter illegally at night. They target historic sites.


And they plunder and steal our national heritage.


Welcome to the world of the Nighthawk.


Nighthawking is unauthorised metal detecting. People that go on


scheduled sites and dig the stuff up and you don't know what they are


taking and you don't know where it is going.


This is Low Chibburn in Northumberland, the ruins of a


14th-Century monastery run by the Knights Templar. It is a protected


site of archaeological significance, now under threat from illegal metal


detecting. Some time ago, we had a couple of


incidents reported which led to the site being visited by myself and


English Heritage, and what we found was quite clearly some of the turf


and grass had been cut and lifted back.


This is a monument which we think is 700 years old, isn't it? So what


are your concerns for the future if these type of things keep


happening? My real concern is that they are


actually going to damage the structure. If we had people digging


around the foundations, as you can see, it has been left in situ for


people to come and enjoy, but if they continue to dig there is a


real issue with the integrity of the building.


Well, so far there haven't been any more disturbances at Low Chibburn,


but Northumbria Police are still monitoring the site to ensure the


Since we filmed in Haworth during the summer, we are happy to report


that the church roof is now fixed and St Michael's is open again to


be enjoyed by tourists and parishioners alike. And in Chester,


their pioneering approach to anti- social behaviour crime is paying


off. But until there is a wider understanding of heritage crimes


across the north of England, our past remains under threat. And that


means keeping an ever-watchful eye, and protecting our unique heritage


A stained glass windows of York Minster are amongst the finest and


rarest in the world. They take pride of place in the collection.


It is being painstakingly restored, and it is a process that has


revealed a neglected masterpiece. Among the majestic splendours of


York Minster, there's one that many feel stands out. The Great East


Window. Perhaps the finest and largest Medieval stained glass


window in the world, it has brought pilgrims from around the globe for


centuries to marvel at its intricate design. Well, that was


until 2008, when all this scaffolding went up, and it sadly


disappeared from view. Regular visitors were heartbroken as the


great masterpiece was taken down bit by bit, and removed for


essential repairs. In terms of the scale and ambition of the work, it


is up there with something like the Sistine Chapel, but it was very


little known compared to Michelangelo's great work. One of


the objectives was to make people aware of this masterpiece in their


midst. In its place has hung this this digital reproduction in itself


one of the the world's biggest examples of graphic art. But soon


though, visitors will be able to see the real Great East Window up


close and personal in a way they never could have had access before.


For the past few years the window has been undergoing restoration


here at the York Glaziers Trust, and I'm about to go inside to see


how the craftsmen and women are getting on in their Herculean task.


Heading up the team of handpicked restorers is art historian, Sarah


Brown. This looks like an incredibly complex process. Where


do you start? We start where we are starting now, as we bring the panel


into the workshop we take photographs of it. We make a 1-1


drubbing so that we have effectively a map, locating all of


the individual glass pieces and their relationship to each other


and that provides us with a map on to which all the other processes


can be placed as we go through the various stages. Then you take the


lead out? Taking the lead out of this panel and then we can lay out


on top, all the individual glass pieces that make up this very


complicated jigsaw. Sarah and her team can feel the weight of history


on their shoulders, as they carefully peel back the centuries,


year by year. She is cleaning away residue and dirt from lamps, from


Gaslight, from cobwebs and dust, and all the time, she is monitoring


what she does with a microscope so that she is not risking stretching


any paint or glass offices. -- surfaces. Taking the window as one


huge storyboard, its designer John Thornton used the stained glass


panels to reveal an epic vision of the Apocalypse. He took a subject


that was not uncommon in the Middle Ages, but he re-imagined it for his


own time and created a work of immense ambition, imagination and


power. It is important to York Minster because its subject matter


is about the place of York in the beginning and end of all things, of


history. Have the techniques and skills changed since the window was


first made? Some of the techniques have changed very Little. The way


that we will eventually replace the window would be recognisable to a


medieval glazier. One thing that has changed is the way that we cut


glass, so when we are trying to distinguish between medieval glass,


and any insertions introduced from the late 18th century onwards,


examining the edge of the glass can be very helpful. It takes about two


months to conserve each of the window's 300 panels, with the


highly-trained team of 11 using a variety of different skills. This


is actually quite study, it is thick and solid, and it has been


bonded together with breaks in it, but that has already been bonded


together, so it is quite sturdy. Sometimes you're matching a new


piece to piece that is corroded, and the glass can be as thin as an


eggshell, so then you have to be quite careful and it is nerve-


racking. In Thornton's day, the paints would have been fixed, mixed


with wine and urine. Today they use vinegar and lavender water. You


have a nice studio with all the mod cons. Does it make you think about


what the medieval craftsmen did, and their conditions? It astounds


me they could produce such fine works of art given how crude their


facilities were. I take my hat off to them. So how does the modern


team's work compare? This is the finished article? It is, exactly.


Talk me through the difference between when it came in and now


that it is finished. One of the most striking differences is that


the relationship between class and lead is as close to their original


medieval relationship as we can get it. The glass is not submerged


under lead, and as a consequence of the cleaning, it is greater and


lighter, and the drama of the scene emerges from the gloom. You can see


the narrative a lot better. You can indeed. But the painstaking work


going on here is just part of a complicated jigsaw, which will see


the panels being displayed with a very 21st century twist. A few


miles away from the antique glaziers, a group of computer


experts are hard at work creating a fresh new setting for some of the


panels. Together with engineers and joiners, they're putting together a


Grand Orb - a sort of mini time- capsule where visitors to the


Minster will be able to step inside and see some of the restored


stained glass face to face. And today, for the first time, those in


charge of the project have come to see how their plans are starting to


come to life. As visitors enter this space they are confronted with


by conserve panels from the window and can get their faces right up to


the glass. It is a once-in-a- lifetime opportunity for visitors


to see the details. So far, so good - but no one's taking anything for


granted. When you're working on scale drawings, you think, it all


to fit. But how will it translate to the mighty Minster? Hopefully it


will mitigate all those headaches in and the design process. Fingers


crossed that the mix of ancient and modern will get the public's


blessing. I am nervous but excited. It will be a great credit to


everyone involved in delivering this. With the team confident


they're on the right track, it's time to start assembling the orb in


the Minster itself. With more than 3,000 pieces to put together, it


takes a six-strong team three weeks to complete it, working quietly and


carefully around the cathedral's daily rythmns of births, deaths and


marriages. And today, with everything now place, it's time to


see if this latest chapter in the Minster's colourful history has


gone according to the script. And who better than Sarah to help me


assess the finished work? Look at this. Howard Wright and clear it is.


Are you happy? Yes, thrilled and excited. Here, for the first time


in York Minster we have created an equivalent for a short period of


time of a wonderful exhibition space and it enables you to


appreciate that these on a par with great paintings in the National


Gallery, for example. And Sarah's not the only one who's impressed.


It is fantastic that you can step back into the past and see what was


done through the minds of the workers. I think it is ground-


breaking. But what would the designer John Thornton make of it


if he was teleported forward in time? I hope he would have been


ratified that 600 years on we are so impressed with his work, but I


think he would have found it an extraordinary experience, to see it


at eye-level in an exhibition he would have found rather peculiar.


The window is due to be fully restored and back in place in 2016


and it'll be a few hundred years before anyone gets the chance to


That is all from us for tonight. Remember, if you have got the story


Twelve months after Jimmy Savile's funeral, Martin Kelner from BBC Radio Leeds discovers how the city feels now about one of its most famous sons.

Also Jacey Normand looks at heritage crime across the north, including how thieves have targeted the Bronte church in Haworth.

And how restoration at York Minster is helping to uncover the glories of a neglected masterpiece.

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