05/09/2016 Inside Out Yorkshire and Lincolnshire


05/09/2016

Peter Hitchens visits Boston in Lincolnshire, a town which had the highest pro-Brexit vote in the UK, while Paul Hudon ascertains how the vote will affect industries and wildlife.


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Welcome to a brand-new serids of Inside Out from Boston. It hs ten

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weeks since the vote to leave the EU but what has changed where we live?

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Welcome to Inside Out. I am Paul Hudson. Tonight in a Brexit session

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Peter Hitchens comes here to Boston, Peter Hitchens comes here to Boston,

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anywhere in Britain. He asks the anywhere in Britain. He asks the

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question has it made a diffdrence? No, nothing has happened. Also

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tonight, will our east coast be better off after the vote to leave

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the EU? I started to surf about 1980s and back then, we asstmed the

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sea was supposed to taste Of Toilet Duck and poo. And we meet the Brits

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moving in the opposite direction, to Poland.

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Journalists from all over the world have come to visit this pretty

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Lincolnshire market town, it is a place where one in eight people are

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from eastern Europe, 75.6% of people voted for Brexit, and that hs the

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highest leave vote for anywhere in the UK. But Peter Hitchens columnist

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for the mail on on Sunday got here first, five years ago he catsed

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controversy by identifying what he called was a seething resentment in

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the town. He has come back to take another look.

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He has come back to take another look.

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Who'd have thought sleepy Boston would register the strongest anti-EU

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I visited this handsome old town five years ago for the Mail

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on Sunday, and found it transformed by mass migration

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from Eastern Europe, which nobody had asked

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Some people were annoyed when I pointed this out.

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But in their quiet English way, people were upset, and now they ve

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But has anything changed as a result?

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The ferment following my newspaper article drew some

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Since I last met Bob, he's become a councillor.

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It's because people are sick to death of this uncontrolldd

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immigration and lack of control of our borders and free

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But nothing has happened since the vote.

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No, nothing's happened and the frustration

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Could it be that the problels of Boston, and indeed of England,

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go deeper than the problem of mass immigration?

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Why is it that British people have been so unwilling to do the work

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They always used to, Peter, there was never an issue.

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People would travel in from Sheffield, Nottingh`m

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and other parts of the country, they would do the job

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You have literally in this town thousands and thousands of dastern

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It's far too many in too short a time and it's

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completely unbalanced the whole social structure.

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Some of the Poles and Lithu`nians I spoke to five years ago

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were intrigued that the British wouldn't do the jobs they'd taken.

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At least 10,000 migrants were in Boston at the last census,

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and most of them are still working hard and long

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Why can't you get British pdople to do the work that needs

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The work is available, organised by licensed agenches,

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who provide labour to farms and factoyries

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who provide labour to farms and factories

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In this area in Linconshire there isn't huge unemployment loc`lly

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People are finding work doing other things.

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You used to have people comhng in from Sheffield, that's

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That was a direct impact of the Sheffield steel

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Those people at the time tr`velled to Lincolnshire to get the work

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They hit retirement and thex stopped coming, and co-incidentally in 004

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the easement of the borders within Europe allowed us to access

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A quarter of the UK's veget`bles are produced in Lincolnshird.

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Among many other crops, Julhan grows celeriac for the country's

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We could not operate as a btsiness without migrant labour, absolutely.

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For us we would have to givd up vegetable production almost

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overnight and revert back to basic arable farming.

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We'd survive as farmers, but it wouldn't be good news

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for our full time staff, and it s something I hope will never happen.

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For many, that used to mean caravan parks and grim

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multi-occupied old houses, like this one.

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How many peopek are living in a room like this?

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There could be up to three, sometimes four.

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Four people in a room of this size?

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So in a house of this size perhaps 20, 30 people.

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Surely that still goes on, it's not stopped?

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I have to say, really, it's very rare.

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Outside investors have spotted a market.

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Dismal places like this will be smartened up

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So what are tyou paying now, if you come from

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You want to find a place to live, what are you going to expect to pay

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Actually it's very reasonable, it's ?80 for a single room.

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Here in a town which once h`d a fairly sleepy property market

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where you could afford to lhve, if you were just an ordinarx person,

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doing an ordinary job, it's now a town with a pretty

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inflated housing market, with prices a good deal higher

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than they used to be, or th`t they are in comparable towns.

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I really like the town and H think it's a vibrant place,

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I'm Bostonian, I've lived here all my life, and it was a very

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But it's vibrant now, we have all the shops.

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But vibrant's one of those words people use.

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Some people don't want to be vibrant.

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We've got our problems, like most cities, it's a lot to get

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doctors, you have to wait for basic services,

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People have to get on with dach other ? not easy with

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Here on West Street ? they call it East Street -

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it feels as if two nations are living side by side,

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But things are civil enough, for this young Lithuanian,

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who arrived 10 years ago, to want to stay.

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It was a welcoming environmdnt, and people were kind

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Local people were, yes, and supportive and patient `s well.

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Did anything change at all about the mood of Boston

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after the referendum on the European Union?

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It has changed for, I would say, a couple of wedks.

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The people who had waited for that opportunity to express themselves,

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they took their anger on us slightly, but now

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On an evening stroll, the town is happy and peaceful,

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despite stories of drunkenness and violence.

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Not so good, according to Eliza one of a group of young

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People - oh, English people don't

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In my factory, after that vote with EU, they are coming

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in my office and they told le, "You have to go home,

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you and your friends go in your country".

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I couldn't say anything because we have more respect.

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I treat them with respect but they don't treat me as well

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When things go wrong, the mddia takes an interest - it's a sad fact.

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But it seems some people in the town blame me, not the Government,

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I know what we have done ovdr the last 10 years has improved

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the town without doubt, and yet the naysayers,

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the talkdowners have really ruined a lot of our reputation,

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not just here, for our local people, but in England.

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Doesn't it strike you that the publicity that came to Boston,

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as a result of people such `s me exposing the problems of mass

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migration, actually did Boston a lot of good?

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I think you're right to a certain extent there.

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But the negativity that Boston has had in Britain has, I think,

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overwhelmed the people here, who have become disillusiondd

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with their town, where actu`lly it is a thriving, vibrant town.

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You were here five years ago, and that was our first

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Last year we got an RHS gold award because the town

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This part of England has always been very close to the continent in many

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ways, without always necess`rily being governed from the Continent,

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Well, you could argue with me, but you'd lose.

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If there's a solution, I don't know what it is.

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Somehow good people will ? xet again - try to clear up the mess

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But I am certain it was better to discuss it and publicise it

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But if we could only learn from Boston's problems,

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that people like being asked and consulted before their lives

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are change completely, we might govern this countrx better

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if you have any comments about tonight's programme or you have a

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story you think we might like to cover you can get in touch on

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Facebook or Twitter. Coming up on Inside Out, we meet the Brits making

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a new life for themselves in Poland. On the coast it was also a large

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majority of people who voted to leave the EU. Nearly two thhrds in

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fact. But what happens now? And will the people who voted to leave the EU

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get what they voted for? I have been to the seaside, to find out.

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I have been to the seaside, to find out.

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Is there anything more tradhtional than the English seaside?

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We have sand, sea, and if we're really lucky,

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It's an experience that never seems to change.

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But, after Brexit, this coast faces a future of uncertainty,

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Right along the coastline there was a solid

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From Whitby down to Skegness, the overall result was emph`tic -

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65% of people voted to leavd the EU, 35% voted to stay.

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That's a majority of nearly two to one.

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His grandfather was a fisherman all his life.

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James wants to follow in his footsteps, and he's

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hoping Brexit will revive the fishing industry.

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I'm assuming you and your colleagues and friends voted to leave,

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you must have been delighted on that morning in June when you woke up

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There were signs across the harbour, Vote Leave and everyone,

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everyone, it was Vote Leave on the harbour, everyone.

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Why would you want to be a fisherman?

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With leaving the EU, it is going to boost,

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You will see more fishing boats in the harbour.

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Five years' time there will be trawler boats everywhere.

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You will come down, they will be saying "Do you want a job?

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But it's a pirate ship, taking visitors on short trhps

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So what's it like working on a pirate ship, what do you have

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Talking to the customers, that is one of my favourite things,

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I collect the fares from the customers, I tie

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So would you rather be workhng as a fisherman or doing this?

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Well, the trouble with the pirate boat is it is seasonal.

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It is not through the winter, so for fishing it's a long time job.

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In the long-term, yes, I would like to go fishing.

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But at the moment, I am happy where I am.

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For years, jobs in tourism have been easier to get than fishing.

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Bridlington's still a popul`r tourist destination,

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but it's had to compete with holidays in Europe.

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So what's the tourist industry like in at the home in Bridlington?

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We have been here 37 years and I don't think I've ever

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What the reason for that is, there are many and varied.

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No, I don't think it is anything to do with Brexit, to be honest

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I think it is to do with the terrorism,

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Certainly Bridlington attracts a lot of pensioners,

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Hundreds and thousands of pensioners, and they don't abroad

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because they can't pay for the insurance.

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The insurers want 2, 3, ?400, they want as much as the cost

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of the holiday to insure thdm and they won't pay it.

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Leaving Europe isn't just about people ? it's about whldlife,

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like the birds who come here to these magnificent cliffs

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Conservationists are worried that leaving the EU could put

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this outstanding natural habitat under threat.

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Lots of people will be familiar with these iconic chalk cliffs

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we have here in Yorkshire, and it is legislation from the EU

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which underpins the protecthon for the habitats and species

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People will be familiar with the sea birds.

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Over 200,000 sea birds come here every summer to raise their

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young, and it is through thd birds' directive these birds

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But couldn't the UK Governmdnt just mirror the legislation

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That is what we would ask, is that that legislation

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that we have got at the momdnt, that has worked well for ardas such

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as the Flamborough cliffs, becomes at least the sort of minimum

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of protection for our wildlife here in the UK.

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And what about the water ? how clean is it?

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And how clean will it be in years to come?

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In Scarborough, surfer Steve Crawford says he's sedn a huge

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improvement in water qualitx while Britain's been in the EU.

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I started surfing about 1980, 40 years ago.

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Back then there was no treatment whatsoever.

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We just assumed the sea was supposed to taste of Toilet Duck

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It is only after a little while that a lot of pressure came in.

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He says these improvements have are as a result of legal

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The most important thing recently has been the 2015 water dirdctive,

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which has really pushed for ward the qualify.

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Yorkshire Water spent ?100 million locally,

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?50 million in Scarborough, and as a direct result

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of them having to get standards up to improve.

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But Brexit puts a question lark over the Blue Flag scheme in the UK,

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checking water quality at swimming beaches.

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It's an international scheme, covering some

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For now, no-one's sure what will happen here.

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Grimsby used to be one of the busiest fishing ports in Europe.

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John Hancock used to be a Grimsby skipper and he hasn't any

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Changes to fishing quotas cost him ?2 million

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All my lifelong investment, career, down the pan because of somd EU

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instruction to change the quota system.

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You think it could be the turning point

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In what way did the EU destroy the finishing

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If you look back when I first started in the industry,

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in the late 70s and 80s, there was 350 boats in Grimsby.

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If that is not destruction of an industry, I don't know what is.

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Now he runs the UK section of a Norwegian frozen fish company,

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and he is co-owner of a sea food restaurant in Cleethorpes.

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I have to say beautiful fish and chip, am I right in thinking this is

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locally caught fish? What is locally caught? There is no locally caught

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fish. Because we have no bo`ts. And that is a piece of Norwegian line

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caught fish. So there is no such thing as Grimsby or locally caught

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cod or haddock? No. It is e`rly morning at the fish market. There is

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still a busy trade but most of the fish passing through here comes from

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foreign waters. So does the Brexit vote give these fishermen hope

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again? I think the general view of fishermen it is going to ch`nge

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forever the way that fishing is transacted in the UK, it gives them

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an opportunity. I don't think it is as simple as that and that hs going

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to be the ultimate problem. Martin's part of a task force

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advising the Government abott the impact of Brexit on the fishing

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industry. Everybody blames the EU for the common fishing policy over

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the last 40 years and thinks it is the EU that is at fault for the

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demise of the catching industry I don't think that is necessarily

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true, I think some of the work that the EU has done has been good, but

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it very complex. In fishing tourism and the

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environment, there might be change and uncertainty, but along this

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stretch of our coastline, most people firmly believe the rdferendum

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result will mean a brighter future. I would still vote leave. I am happy

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we existed because I voted for Brexit. I didn't vote for the next

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two years, I voted for the next five, ten year, in the future.

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Without doubt the biggest shngle issue behind the Brexit

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And the biggest population of foreign-born people in the UK

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now comes from Poland, according to the latest figtres

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But there are some who make the opposite journey and le`ve these

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shores to make a new life over there.

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Toby Foster's been to meet some of them.

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Some people say that immigr`tion could fundamentally change our way

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They say it even threatens the very existence of some

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of our cultural traditions like the good old English ptb -

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like this one here in Poland. But it's run

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by Yorkshiremen James Eastwood, who moved here to make a new life

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When your friends and familx start to realise it's not a long holiday

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it's your way of life, it's easier to stick around.

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I think it's quite a case of foreigners coming over

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Huddersfield brewer and pub landlord Neil Moorhouse is getting

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He's personally delivering ht to a pub more than 1,000 miles away.

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We normally keep it quite local but today we're not doing.

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The beer will be sold by his friend James Eastwood at his pub in Krakow.

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Neil will return with a van full of Polish brewed beer

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We decided on the idea that we'd do some swapping,

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so I can send my beers to Poland, he can distribute them and he'll

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bring his beers back here and distribute them ovdr here,

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So in 1,200 miles - that's 24 hours - these beers brewed

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in the heart of Huddersfield will be on sale in the bars of Krakow.

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They're planning to drive through the night.

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I'm flying there and it shotld take just under three hours.

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This is Krakow, Poland's second city, but for 500 years

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And now home to TEA Time - that's short for traditional English

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This is the first real ale brewpub in the whole country.

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Owner and founder James Eastwood is proud of his brewing herhtage.

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He now employs Polish brewers to help make his dad

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We use speciality malts that come from Castleford. We are bringing

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back my dad's old Yorkshire recipes back the life here in Poland and

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selling them to local Polish drinkers.

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Spare a thought for Neil, who's just arriving with his beer.

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Nice to see you, boys, we are shattered.

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The beer's got to be ready for the locals tonight.

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One of the problems of not having a traditional pub is you haven't got

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a traditional cellar, so it all gets

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While the Yorkshire beer settles, Neil and his co-driver Stevd enjoy

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a well-earned pint of the local brew.

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The regulars are knowledgeable and discerning beer drinkers.

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And the new arrival from Huddersfield, Platinum Blond,

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I think I'll have a pint of that, please.

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Regular at the bar, Janek, is one of the first

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These beers are very differdnt from beers severed in most Polish pubs.

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We have local Poles that make up 70% of our custom.

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If you watch a lot, they don't just go straight ahead,

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they lift it and smell the `roma before tasting the pint,

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which is not what you see in an English pub.

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Around the world, ex-pats gdt together, but what James has done

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here is to provide a little bit of a Yorkshire pub that he's invited

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Getting precise figures for British ex-pats in Poland is diffictlt,

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but it's thought there are fewer than 50,000.

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One of them's 23-year-old Barnsley lad, Ian Mc Leavey.

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One of them's 23-year-old Barnsley lad, Ian McLeavey.

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He's been here 18 months and teaches English to foreign students.

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I don't think I'll go back to England, at least not

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Tim Wilkinson from Scarborotgh and Phil Clark from Leeds

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I have only had one job. It is a multinational company. The workplace

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is very similar to a lot of the other places I work.

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Phil set up his own business, running tours to Auschwitz

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I did 18 hour days, they thhnk this Englishman is a grafter. Auschwitz

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is converted into the museul. It is sanitised. I was taking 7,500

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people, so I see a lot of their friends and family and colldagues

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and that is where most of mx business comes from these d`ys. What

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did people think when you c`me here, this up start Brit? They were

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shocked at first. They had never seen a foreigner come over doing it,

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let alone a Brit. Brit. There was a case of foreigners coming over here,

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taking our jobs, they didn't like it. But they got used to me.

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Back at the TEA Time pub, the tiny basement brewery c`n't

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James is joining forces with another local brewer -

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well, I say local, he's from Lincolnshire.

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We're on our way up to Brow`r Twigg, which was set up by David Twigg

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We've decided to combine our pubs and breweries so that we can just

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work together and just make more beer that way.

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David Twigg, originally from rural Lincolnshire,

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is a Cambridge physicist who took up brewing.

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Be are adding finings to cl`rify the beer. What is in finings? It is a

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nice preparation from fish guts It is fish guts.

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He now makes 30,000 pints a month and is looking to expand his

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business still further by exporting bottled beer.

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Most of it will be going to Krakow, some to the rest of Poland,

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a little bit to France, Italy, maybe some to England.

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And 14 of these casks of Black Prince ale are heading back

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to Huddersfield with Neil, who's about to start

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Best of luck. See you back hn Huddersfield.

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See you back in Huddersfield, take care.

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There's no doubt British migration to Poland's a drop in the ocean

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compared to the people who've gone the other way.

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But two-and-a-half months on from Brexit, have the prospects

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I caught up with James on Sskype to find out.

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We are still brewing, we had a good summer, lots has happened in the

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young. Do the Polish people blame you, they see the Brexit vote is

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your fault? We haven't had `ny sort of anti-British sentiment over here,

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it really has been questions of concern from customer, is Brexit

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going to change it, we will stay here, we are making good bedr.

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And as James's mate Neil unloads another consignment of Polish beer

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for his Huddersfield regulars, Brexit presents no immediatd

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threat to this fledgling export business either.

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That is all from us here in Boston, make sure you join us next week

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When we test lasers bought on the internet with shocking results and

:28:49.:28:52.

meet the wheelchair basketb`ll players having to move overseas to

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find success.

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Inside Out Yorkshire and Lincolnshire Brexit special presented by Paul Hudson.

Mail on Sunday journalist Peter Hitchens visits Boston in Lincolnshire, a town which had the highest pro-Brexit vote in the UK. Paul Hudson travels along the Yorkshire coast and finds out how the Leave vote might affect the fishing industry, tourism and marine wildlife. Toby Foster goes in search of the Brits living and working in Poland.


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