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Now on BBC One, Inside Out with Paul Hudson. | 0:00:00 | 0:00:01 | |
Good evening. | 0:00:02 | 0:00:03 | |
Tonight: It's one of the most troubled police | 0:00:03 | 0:00:05 | |
forces in the country, and we talk to another | 0:00:05 | 0:00:07 | |
family who want answers from South Yorkshire Police. | 0:00:07 | 0:00:11 | |
Welcome to Inside Out, I'm Paul Hudson. | 0:00:22 | 0:00:24 | |
This week, we hear from a family who are | 0:00:24 | 0:00:27 | |
still looking for answers and crucial evidence about the death of | 0:00:27 | 0:00:29 | |
their father and husband who more than 16 years ago | 0:00:29 | 0:00:32 | |
was trampled to death by a police horse. | 0:00:32 | 0:00:37 | |
And we hear from a witness who saw what happendd. | 0:00:37 | 0:00:40 | |
He went backwards, flat on the ground, and then the horse | 0:00:40 | 0:00:42 | |
put his left front foot right onto his stomach. | 0:00:42 | 0:00:47 | |
Also tonight: Warnings that billions could be lost from the | 0:00:47 | 0:00:49 | |
Northern economy after Brexht. | 0:00:50 | 0:00:53 | |
So what now for the so-calldd Northern powerhouse? | 0:00:53 | 0:00:56 | |
Any investment decisions yot might want to make here will be on ice. | 0:00:56 | 0:01:02 | |
We ask George Osbourne whether his project is now doomed. | 0:01:02 | 0:01:05 | |
In a Brexit world, it is even more important | 0:01:05 | 0:01:07 | |
that the North sells itself around the world. | 0:01:07 | 0:01:12 | |
South Yorkshire Police have been involved | 0:01:16 | 0:01:17 | |
in some of the most notoriots incidents in British policing. | 0:01:17 | 0:01:20 | |
The worst being the cover-up following | 0:01:20 | 0:01:22 | |
the Hillsborough disaster. | 0:01:22 | 0:01:24 | |
Tonight, Dan Johnson re-examines the death of | 0:01:24 | 0:01:26 | |
a football fan at a match hdre in Rotherham 16 years ago, | 0:01:26 | 0:01:30 | |
and his family's long search for justice. | 0:01:30 | 0:01:35 | |
We just feel like he deserves justice | 0:01:36 | 0:01:38 | |
as well, he didn't deserve to go to that match | 0:01:38 | 0:01:40 | |
and he didn't deserve to die | 0:01:40 | 0:01:42 | |
and we didn't deserve to grow up without a father. | 0:01:42 | 0:01:44 | |
Is she also aware of the tr`gic case of Terry Coles, | 0:01:44 | 0:01:47 | |
a Swansea City supporter who was trampled to death by a police horse | 0:01:47 | 0:01:50 | |
at a football match in 2000? | 0:01:50 | 0:01:53 | |
He kicked the horse on. | 0:01:53 | 0:01:54 | |
You know, the horse geed up, the horse went | 0:01:54 | 0:01:57 | |
faster. | 0:01:57 | 0:01:59 | |
You know, it only took a couple of strides and... | 0:01:59 | 0:02:01 | |
And he hit Terry. | 0:02:01 | 0:02:03 | |
I think the real truth needs to be examined. | 0:02:03 | 0:02:08 | |
Terry Coles, a father and a football fan who lost | 0:02:08 | 0:02:10 | |
his life following his team. | 0:02:10 | 0:02:14 | |
Terry died after being knocked down by a | 0:02:14 | 0:02:16 | |
police horse, here in South Yorkshire, just minutds before | 0:02:16 | 0:02:18 | |
kick-off. | 0:02:18 | 0:02:21 | |
Swansea City were playing Rotherham United in the last game of | 0:02:21 | 0:02:24 | |
the season. | 0:02:24 | 0:02:26 | |
At Terry's funeral, his wifd Christine and his two young | 0:02:26 | 0:02:28 | |
children were joined by hundreds of football fans. | 0:02:28 | 0:02:33 | |
Tell me a little bit about Terry for the people that don't | 0:02:33 | 0:02:36 | |
know much about him - what was he like? | 0:02:36 | 0:02:38 | |
Very sociable man who enjoydd a game of football, and he had two | 0:02:38 | 0:02:41 | |
lovely children, Natalie and Matthew. | 0:02:41 | 0:02:44 | |
That was his main, sort of, pleasure - | 0:02:44 | 0:02:48 | |
supporting his team. | 0:02:48 | 0:02:50 | |
And unfortunately that was the end as well. | 0:02:50 | 0:02:53 | |
How importantly did he take football? | 0:02:53 | 0:02:57 | |
He went to most home games and when he could go away, | 0:02:57 | 0:02:59 | |
he would go away. | 0:02:59 | 0:03:03 | |
And that's what Terry did on the 6th of May | 0:03:03 | 0:03:05 | |
in the year 2000. | 0:03:05 | 0:03:07 | |
It was a trip of more than 200 miles to Rotherham | 0:03:07 | 0:03:10 | |
to cheer on Swansea City. | 0:03:10 | 0:03:12 | |
The two clubs were fighting for the league title | 0:03:12 | 0:03:15 | |
in what was then division three | 0:03:15 | 0:03:17 | |
There could have been, should have been, a carnival atmosphere | 0:03:17 | 0:03:19 | |
but it suddenly turned nastx. | 0:03:19 | 0:03:22 | |
I went up with nine other friends. | 0:03:22 | 0:03:23 | |
We went in a stretch limo. | 0:03:23 | 0:03:25 | |
It was just another away dax for us, really, but with that | 0:03:25 | 0:03:29 | |
heightened expectation of winning the league. | 0:03:29 | 0:03:34 | |
And separately Terry travelled to Yorkshire with a group | 0:03:34 | 0:03:36 | |
of his friends. | 0:03:36 | 0:03:38 | |
We got to Rotherham about one o'clock, | 0:03:38 | 0:03:41 | |
parked the minibus up. | 0:03:42 | 0:03:43 | |
We... | 0:03:43 | 0:03:45 | |
We all got together and we went to Yates' bar, | 0:03:45 | 0:03:48 | |
which is a little bit outside.. | 0:03:48 | 0:03:50 | |
Just up from the stadium. | 0:03:50 | 0:03:54 | |
We went there, we had a couple of drinks, there was police | 0:03:54 | 0:03:57 | |
there and police horses. | 0:03:57 | 0:03:59 | |
This is the shiny modern New York stadium, where | 0:03:59 | 0:04:02 | |
Rotherham now play their gales, but they have only been herd for the | 0:04:02 | 0:04:06 | |
last four years. | 0:04:06 | 0:04:09 | |
This is Millmoor, Rotherham's former ground. | 0:04:09 | 0:04:11 | |
Even though they haven't pl`yed here for eight years, | 0:04:11 | 0:04:13 | |
it is still standing. | 0:04:13 | 0:04:15 | |
But in the year 2000, when Terry Coles came here, | 0:04:15 | 0:04:20 | |
it was already starting to show its age. | 0:04:20 | 0:04:22 | |
This is the narrow lane that away supporters | 0:04:22 | 0:04:24 | |
used to be funnelled down. | 0:04:24 | 0:04:25 | |
They walked us down the high street towards | 0:04:25 | 0:04:27 | |
the stadium. | 0:04:27 | 0:04:29 | |
Very hostile reception, all the way, you know? | 0:04:29 | 0:04:34 | |
Unfortunately... | 0:04:34 | 0:04:36 | |
It ended in a great tragedy. | 0:04:36 | 0:04:40 | |
Alan Roberts was a Swansea regular. | 0:04:40 | 0:04:41 | |
As a young man, he had been involved in hooliganism, | 0:04:41 | 0:04:44 | |
but his life changed on the day of Terry's death. | 0:04:44 | 0:04:48 | |
Alan recognised Terry from previous games. | 0:04:48 | 0:04:51 | |
He found himself next to Terry in the congested alley. | 0:04:51 | 0:04:54 | |
16 years on, this is the first time he has been back | 0:04:54 | 0:04:57 | |
to Rotherham. | 0:04:57 | 0:04:59 | |
It is the first time he has spoken about what happened. | 0:04:59 | 0:05:02 | |
When I arrived in this area, there were people throwing | 0:05:02 | 0:05:04 | |
stones at each other. | 0:05:05 | 0:05:08 | |
As you can see, just around here, it is quite easy to dig a | 0:05:08 | 0:05:11 | |
little stone out of ground. | 0:05:11 | 0:05:13 | |
And that is what the Swansea fans were doing, | 0:05:13 | 0:05:15 | |
retaliating to the Rotherhal fans, | 0:05:15 | 0:05:16 | |
who were throwing stones from there and there. | 0:05:16 | 0:05:20 | |
So we got to the lane, that's where the problems occurred. | 0:05:20 | 0:05:25 | |
I think there was a pub and people were throwing glasses from there. | 0:05:25 | 0:05:32 | |
Just give me a sense of what it was like when you moved down here. | 0:05:32 | 0:05:36 | |
Yeah, well, I ran down here to get away | 0:05:36 | 0:05:38 | |
from the trouble, because I didn't want to get arrested. | 0:05:38 | 0:05:42 | |
I had been arrested previously at football | 0:05:42 | 0:05:44 | |
and I didn't want to get arrested any more. | 0:05:44 | 0:05:47 | |
What I do recall, though, is | 0:05:47 | 0:05:48 | |
that when all this started happening | 0:05:48 | 0:05:50 | |
the police brought two police horses into that lane. | 0:05:50 | 0:05:55 | |
It's easy with the benefit of hindsight to think about | 0:05:55 | 0:05:57 | |
this, but I remember saying to my son, "What the hell are they | 0:05:57 | 0:06:00 | |
bringing these into a lane with a lot of people in?" | 0:06:00 | 0:06:07 | |
He came on the top of the l`ne there and they were | 0:06:07 | 0:06:10 | |
walking, the police horses, just normal walking. | 0:06:10 | 0:06:12 | |
And then you could tell by the police officer's bodx | 0:06:12 | 0:06:14 | |
language he spotted something, he saw something, | 0:06:14 | 0:06:17 | |
and he kicked the horse on. | 0:06:17 | 0:06:19 | |
You know, the horse geed up. | 0:06:19 | 0:06:21 | |
I don't know what the term hs, you know, the horse term, | 0:06:21 | 0:06:24 | |
but the horse went faster. | 0:06:24 | 0:06:27 | |
He only took a couple of strides and as I was | 0:06:27 | 0:06:30 | |
turning back to see where the police officer was, it was impact. | 0:06:30 | 0:06:33 | |
I was told to stop at the top of the lane. | 0:06:33 | 0:06:36 | |
At that point, I saw the horse, | 0:06:36 | 0:06:38 | |
if I can recall maybe two horses, | 0:06:38 | 0:06:41 | |
going down. | 0:06:41 | 0:06:42 | |
At the end, the police said, "Right, carry on." | 0:06:42 | 0:06:45 | |
So we walked down. | 0:06:45 | 0:06:46 | |
I got to the point there and Mr Coles was lying on the floor. | 0:06:46 | 0:06:51 | |
At that particular time, | 0:06:51 | 0:06:54 | |
I was unaware what had happdned | 0:06:54 | 0:06:57 | |
But obviously, word got arotnd then from friends on the bus | 0:06:57 | 0:07:02 | |
that said he had been hit by a horse. | 0:07:02 | 0:07:05 | |
He headed backwards, he fell backwards | 0:07:05 | 0:07:07 | |
flat on the ground, sort of like that. | 0:07:07 | 0:07:11 | |
And then the horse put its left front foot | 0:07:11 | 0:07:13 | |
right onto his stomach. | 0:07:13 | 0:07:15 | |
In the ambulance, he was under a lot of pain. | 0:07:15 | 0:07:18 | |
The actual injury to his stomach was quite prominent, | 0:07:18 | 0:07:22 | |
because he kept pulling his T-shirt up and... | 0:07:22 | 0:07:25 | |
It was obvious from then that he was | 0:07:25 | 0:07:29 | |
in a bad way, you know? | 0:07:29 | 0:07:32 | |
He was in and out of consciousness | 0:07:32 | 0:07:34 | |
and screaming with pain when he came round. | 0:07:34 | 0:07:37 | |
So we went to hospital | 0:07:37 | 0:07:39 | |
and the rest is history, to be honest. | 0:07:39 | 0:07:43 | |
After impact, the policeman tried to turn him, | 0:07:43 | 0:07:45 | |
he turned him to the left, and it was difficult, | 0:07:45 | 0:07:49 | |
because there was people evdrywhere. | 0:07:49 | 0:07:50 | |
You know, people are shouting at the police officer, | 0:07:50 | 0:07:53 | |
people were trying to grab the police officer, people were | 0:07:53 | 0:07:55 | |
screaming, "Get his number." | 0:07:55 | 0:07:57 | |
The horse's back legs slipphng on this and you could hear | 0:07:57 | 0:07:59 | |
the hooves really loudly slhpping, trying to gain traction. | 0:07:59 | 0:08:01 | |
So I definitely think the horse was spooked, | 0:08:01 | 0:08:10 | |
but after the event. | 0:08:10 | 0:08:11 | |
Before the event, no, the horse was just acting normal. | 0:08:11 | 0:08:13 | |
I think as the phone calls progressed, | 0:08:13 | 0:08:15 | |
you just felt it was getting more and more serious and he died of | 0:08:15 | 0:08:18 | |
you know, bleeding, external bleeding and | 0:08:18 | 0:08:21 | |
there was just nothing they could do. | 0:08:21 | 0:08:23 | |
They tried their best to save his life | 0:08:23 | 0:08:26 | |
but unfortunately he died on the table. | 0:08:26 | 0:08:29 | |
It is possible he just wantdd to break up the crowd, | 0:08:29 | 0:08:31 | |
to try to stop the trouble. | 0:08:31 | 0:08:33 | |
He didn't mean to hit anyond, especially somebody | 0:08:33 | 0:08:35 | |
crouched down, maybe he didn't see from up on a horse? | 0:08:35 | 0:08:38 | |
I don't believe that. | 0:08:38 | 0:08:40 | |
It is such a small space, why would you bring a horse | 0:08:40 | 0:08:43 | |
into such a confined space? | 0:08:43 | 0:08:44 | |
Yes, there was trouble, there was people throwing | 0:08:44 | 0:08:46 | |
stones back and forward at dach other, | 0:08:46 | 0:08:49 | |
but would you charge a horsd into people? | 0:08:49 | 0:08:51 | |
Why would you do that? | 0:08:51 | 0:08:53 | |
Shouldn't the fans who were here fighting that day | 0:08:53 | 0:08:56 | |
take some responsibility as well for creating that situation? | 0:08:56 | 0:08:58 | |
Yes, absolutely. | 0:08:58 | 0:09:01 | |
Terry's family was asking questions of the force. | 0:09:01 | 0:09:04 | |
The police complaints authority asked another police force | 0:09:04 | 0:09:06 | |
to investigate. | 0:09:06 | 0:09:09 | |
Because Alan Roberts had thrown something at the polhce, | 0:09:09 | 0:09:11 | |
and because he had a historx of football violence, he was | 0:09:11 | 0:09:14 | |
afraid to come forward. | 0:09:14 | 0:09:15 | |
But a few days later, | 0:09:15 | 0:09:16 | |
he spoke to West Yorkshire Police detectives. | 0:09:16 | 0:09:19 | |
Obviously I made my statement originally 16 years ago. | 0:09:19 | 0:09:22 | |
I will be honest, because I threw the slate | 0:09:22 | 0:09:25 | |
at the police officer, it was going through my | 0:09:25 | 0:09:27 | |
mind of going back to jail | 0:09:27 | 0:09:29 | |
and whether I was going to incriminate myself so I had a lot of | 0:09:29 | 0:09:32 | |
thinking to do, but eventually my conscience overcame. | 0:09:32 | 0:09:34 | |
I think it was used at the inquest, | 0:09:34 | 0:09:36 | |
but it was read out by someone else. | 0:09:36 | 0:09:39 | |
I mean, I wasn't invited to the inquest, which did surprise me. | 0:09:39 | 0:09:42 | |
You know, because I gave such an accurate account, | 0:09:42 | 0:09:45 | |
I believe, of events. | 0:09:45 | 0:09:48 | |
Alan Roberts was never called to explain what he s`w, | 0:09:48 | 0:09:51 | |
and perhaps even more surprisingly there was a CCTV | 0:09:51 | 0:09:53 | |
footage of the whole incident that was never shown to the jury. | 0:09:53 | 0:09:59 | |
The family solicitor never even got to see it. | 0:09:59 | 0:10:02 | |
It is something that has always disturbed Christine Coles. | 0:10:02 | 0:10:05 | |
I think the jury should havd had the opportunity to actually see | 0:10:05 | 0:10:08 | |
for themselves what happened. | 0:10:08 | 0:10:11 | |
I actually viewed the tape and until this day | 0:10:11 | 0:10:15 | |
I definitely say the horse went directly into his path. | 0:10:15 | 0:10:19 | |
Do you think it was a deliberate act? | 0:10:19 | 0:10:21 | |
I am not saying deliberate but it was | 0:10:21 | 0:10:23 | |
obviously loss of control during the policing of the latch. | 0:10:23 | 0:10:27 | |
A lot of witness statements backed that up, | 0:10:27 | 0:10:29 | |
to say that, you know, it w`s out of control | 0:10:29 | 0:10:33 | |
and the horses were travellhng at a greater speed... | 0:10:33 | 0:10:36 | |
And you know the outcome. | 0:10:36 | 0:10:43 | |
After a nine-day hearing here at Doncaster | 0:10:43 | 0:10:44 | |
Magistrates' Court, the inqtest jury | 0:10:44 | 0:10:47 | |
returned a verdict of accidental death. | 0:10:47 | 0:10:51 | |
I think that they did focus a lot | 0:10:51 | 0:10:53 | |
on the consumption of alcohol on the day. | 0:10:53 | 0:10:55 | |
And bad behaviour of the fans. | 0:10:55 | 0:10:57 | |
But I think it was the actu`l policing of the crowds. | 0:10:57 | 0:11:03 | |
And did you get the sense afterwards that they | 0:11:03 | 0:11:05 | |
were trying to blane Terry, or at least...? | 0:11:05 | 0:11:07 | |
I think so, because of the focus on the alcohol. | 0:11:07 | 0:11:09 | |
You know, they kept saying that he was four times | 0:11:09 | 0:11:12 | |
over the drink-drive limit. | 0:11:12 | 0:11:13 | |
But of course he was going to a football match, | 0:11:13 | 0:11:16 | |
he wasn't driving, he wasn't causing any trouble. | 0:11:16 | 0:11:19 | |
And it did seem to be focusdd mainly on the alcohol. | 0:11:19 | 0:11:23 | |
The police officer riding the horse that hit Terry wasn't in cotrt | 0:11:23 | 0:11:26 | |
when the inquest jury delivered its verdict. | 0:11:26 | 0:11:28 | |
PC Dave Lindsay released a statement | 0:11:28 | 0:11:30 | |
offering his condolences to the family. | 0:11:30 | 0:11:33 | |
The jury's accidental death verdict reflects the evidence given | 0:11:45 | 0:11:47 | |
and the circumstances of the incident. | 0:11:47 | 0:11:50 | |
Do you support what happened on that day? | 0:11:50 | 0:11:53 | |
I regret the death of Mr Coles. | 0:11:53 | 0:11:55 | |
I support the policing oper`tion. | 0:11:55 | 0:11:59 | |
They may well be. | 0:12:05 | 0:12:07 | |
We may never be in an exactly similar situation. | 0:12:07 | 0:12:16 | |
Christine Coles sued South Xorkshire Police but lost a claim | 0:12:16 | 0:12:19 | |
for compensation. | 0:12:19 | 0:12:20 | |
A review by the Independent Police Complaints | 0:12:20 | 0:12:21 | |
Commission heavily criticisdd the horse rider, PC Lindsay, and two | 0:12:21 | 0:12:24 | |
other officers. | 0:12:24 | 0:12:25 | |
One of the match commanders, superintendent Dave | 0:12:25 | 0:12:27 | |
Turner, was given a written warning, but his colleague, Chief Inspector | 0:12:27 | 0:12:30 | |
Paul Cropley, and PC Dave Lhndsay, had both retired by then so there | 0:12:30 | 0:12:33 | |
was no punishment. | 0:12:33 | 0:12:36 | |
That could have been where it ended, but earlier | 0:12:36 | 0:12:39 | |
this year the BBC showed a documentary about the Hillsborough | 0:12:39 | 0:12:48 | |
families' fight for justice, and that got the Coles family thinking | 0:12:48 | 0:12:50 | |
again about what happened to Terry. | 0:12:50 | 0:12:52 | |
They recently discovered two of the officers | 0:12:52 | 0:12:55 | |
found to have failed in their | 0:12:55 | 0:12:59 | |
duty over Terry's death had also been involved in the Hillsborough | 0:12:59 | 0:13:02 | |
disaster of 1989. | 0:13:02 | 0:13:03 | |
Both of those officers, Dave Lindsay and Paul | 0:13:03 | 0:13:09 | |
Cropley, gave statements after the Hillsborough disaster | 0:13:09 | 0:13:11 | |
talking about fans who were drunk and you didn't | 0:13:11 | 0:13:13 | |
have tickets. | 0:13:13 | 0:13:15 | |
Now, that's the narrative that's been rejected | 0:13:15 | 0:13:17 | |
twice. | 0:13:17 | 0:13:18 | |
First by Lord Justice Taylor's inquiry in 1989, and again | 0:13:18 | 0:13:21 | |
by the fresh Hillsborough inquests that finished earlier this xear | 0:13:21 | 0:13:24 | |
I watched the documentary and I founnd that really totching. | 0:13:24 | 0:13:26 | |
You know, it was so close to home that... | 0:13:26 | 0:13:29 | |
And real people affected, isn't it? | 0:13:29 | 0:13:31 | |
The way those families felt is exactly how we feel. | 0:13:31 | 0:13:35 | |
How do you feel South Yorkshire Police has treated | 0:13:35 | 0:13:37 | |
you and your family? | 0:13:37 | 0:13:38 | |
We never really had an apology. | 0:13:38 | 0:13:41 | |
And that would mean a lot. | 0:13:41 | 0:13:44 | |
And then perhaps this would never ever happen agahn. | 0:13:44 | 0:13:47 | |
I remember going out of the court that day and | 0:13:47 | 0:13:50 | |
the chief officer shook my hand offered his condolences and stated | 0:13:50 | 0:13:56 | |
"We shan't be gloating over this," which was sort of a funny statement | 0:13:56 | 0:13:59 | |
to make. | 0:13:59 | 0:14:01 | |
And those words will always stick with me for the rest of my | 0:14:01 | 0:14:04 | |
life because... | 0:14:04 | 0:14:09 | |
How did that leave you feelhng? | 0:14:09 | 0:14:10 | |
I think they were relieved, to be honest, that they had won the | 0:14:10 | 0:14:14 | |
case and we had the opportunity to take it to an Appeal Court, but | 0:14:14 | 0:14:17 | |
financially we weren't able to do so. | 0:14:17 | 0:14:22 | |
The family's lawyer believes that because of the links to | 0:14:22 | 0:14:25 | |
Hillsborough, they should now have the chance to look at `ll the | 0:14:25 | 0:14:28 | |
documents and the CCTV evidence from the time. | 0:14:28 | 0:14:32 | |
The findings at Hillsborough were so damning about | 0:14:32 | 0:14:34 | |
some of the police officers involved in both cases, I think it is | 0:14:34 | 0:14:37 | |
sensible for the family to look at those problems that have been | 0:14:37 | 0:14:40 | |
highlighted and see if they can get the answers that they want. | 0:14:40 | 0:14:43 | |
Christine told us that she had seen CCTV of the incident, but that | 0:14:43 | 0:14:46 | |
wasn't presented at the inqtest | 0:14:46 | 0:14:51 | |
Does that trouble you? | 0:14:51 | 0:14:53 | |
I can't understand why it wasn't presented | 0:14:53 | 0:14:55 | |
at the inquest. | 0:14:55 | 0:14:57 | |
It's such a key piece of evhdence. | 0:14:57 | 0:14:59 | |
It was available. | 0:14:59 | 0:15:01 | |
And I think that is something that the coroner will have to look at, | 0:15:01 | 0:15:04 | |
and maybe look retrospectivdly, that may adjust their decision. | 0:15:04 | 0:15:11 | |
And last month, Terry Coles' case was raised | 0:15:11 | 0:15:14 | |
in Parliament by the Shadow Home Office Minister and MP | 0:15:14 | 0:15:16 | |
for Swansea East. | 0:15:16 | 0:15:17 | |
The Home Secretary will be `ware of continuing concerns about | 0:15:17 | 0:15:19 | |
the historical conduct of South Yorkshire Police. | 0:15:19 | 0:15:22 | |
Is she also aware of the tr`gic case of Terry Coles? | 0:15:22 | 0:15:25 | |
Would she agree to look at the evidence and accept that unless | 0:15:25 | 0:15:29 | |
we have the truth about all these past injustices, | 0:15:29 | 0:15:32 | |
we will not be able to | 0:15:32 | 0:15:34 | |
restore trust in South Yorkshire Police? | 0:15:34 | 0:15:36 | |
Somebody has to take responsibility for what happened | 0:15:37 | 0:15:39 | |
that day. | 0:15:39 | 0:15:40 | |
Whether it is an organisation in terms of South | 0:15:40 | 0:15:44 | |
Yorkshire Police, for the w`y that they organised | 0:15:44 | 0:15:46 | |
the planning of that match, whether it is an individual, | 0:15:46 | 0:15:51 | |
somebody made the decision that it would be policed in such a way and | 0:15:51 | 0:15:55 | |
decisions were made on that day the consequence of that was Terry | 0:15:55 | 0:15:58 | |
Coles lost his life. | 0:15:58 | 0:15:59 | |
We need to find out what went wrong. | 0:15:59 | 0:16:03 | |
It was an accident waiting to happen. | 0:16:03 | 0:16:06 | |
There was women and children in that lane as well. | 0:16:06 | 0:16:09 | |
And unfortunately it was Mr Coles that paid the price. | 0:16:09 | 0:16:18 | |
What sort of a lasting impact has it had? | 0:16:22 | 0:16:24 | |
It goes through my head at least three or four times a week. | 0:16:24 | 0:16:28 | |
You know, I see it over and over and over and over, | 0:16:28 | 0:16:30 | |
to be honest with you. | 0:16:30 | 0:16:32 | |
It has never gone away. | 0:16:32 | 0:16:33 | |
I see it like it happened yesterday, and | 0:16:33 | 0:16:35 | |
just coming here today now, it has had a profound effect because.. | 0:16:35 | 0:16:38 | |
Just being back here is... | 0:16:38 | 0:16:39 | |
It's weird, you know. | 0:16:39 | 0:16:41 | |
My heart is going now, just thinking about Terry. | 0:16:41 | 0:16:44 | |
We won't be able to move forward until | 0:16:44 | 0:16:53 | |
we have the full truth about Orgreave, Hillsborough, abott what | 0:16:53 | 0:16:55 | |
happened in Rotherham, also in terms of the | 0:16:55 | 0:16:57 | |
case of Terry Coles, | 0:16:57 | 0:16:58 | |
you know, people need to know what happened | 0:16:58 | 0:17:02 | |
so that we can learn from the past | 0:17:02 | 0:17:04 | |
and bring people back together. | 0:17:04 | 0:17:05 | |
And how do you feel South Yorkshire Police responded? | 0:17:05 | 0:17:10 | |
Not as responsive as I hoped, because we | 0:17:10 | 0:17:13 | |
did approach them back in May | 0:17:13 | 0:17:14 | |
and we're still really waithng for an | 0:17:14 | 0:17:16 | |
outcome from it. | 0:17:16 | 0:17:19 | |
You know, they have said they are considering the evhdence | 0:17:19 | 0:17:21 | |
but we just haven't had any sort of concrete response from them, | 0:17:21 | 0:17:24 | |
as yet. | 0:17:24 | 0:17:27 | |
We asked South Yorkshire Police for an interview, | 0:17:27 | 0:17:31 | |
they declined, but gave us a statement saying | 0:17:31 | 0:17:33 | |
they are now working with the | 0:17:33 | 0:17:35 | |
family's legal team to gain a better understanding of their concdrns | 0:17:35 | 0:17:38 | |
The Independent Police Complaints Commission told us it has considered | 0:17:38 | 0:17:41 | |
the case but there are no plans to review the original inquhry. | 0:17:41 | 0:17:47 | |
We just feel like he deservds justice is well. | 0:17:47 | 0:17:51 | |
He didn't deserve to go to that match and he didn't deserve to | 0:17:51 | 0:17:58 | |
die and we didn't deserve grow up without a father. | 0:17:58 | 0:18:00 | |
Just as Orgreave is different to Hillsborough, nobody is | 0:18:00 | 0:18:02 | |
making a direct parallel with what happened here. | 0:18:02 | 0:18:05 | |
But you have got a match, | 0:18:05 | 0:18:07 | |
you've got South Yorkshire Police and you've got | 0:18:07 | 0:18:09 | |
officers' accounts of what happened at Hillsborough that are already | 0:18:09 | 0:18:12 | |
being re-examined. | 0:18:12 | 0:18:12 | |
So, perhaps, it was inevitable that fresh questions | 0:18:12 | 0:18:14 | |
would be raised about what happened to Terry Coles. | 0:18:14 | 0:18:17 | |
And if you have got any comlents about tonight's programme, | 0:18:21 | 0:18:27 | |
or you have got a story you think we might like to cover, | 0:18:27 | 0:18:31 | |
you can get in touch on Facebook or on Twitter. | 0:18:31 | 0:18:33 | |
Well, it was George Osbournd's big idea to help the North | 0:18:38 | 0:18:40 | |
catch up with London, but with the former Chancellor now | 0:18:40 | 0:18:43 | |
consigned to the backbenches, what remains of | 0:18:43 | 0:18:45 | |
his vision of a Northern powerhouse? | 0:18:45 | 0:18:47 | |
We examine claims that the uncertainty | 0:18:47 | 0:18:49 | |
surrounding Brexit could | 0:18:49 | 0:18:50 | |
cost billions of pounds of investments in the north. | 0:18:50 | 0:18:52 | |
Toby Foster reports. | 0:18:52 | 0:19:02 | |
The nation's wealth was built on the draft of | 0:19:10 | 0:19:12 | |
the industrial north. | 0:19:12 | 0:19:13 | |
It was a powerhouse of factories. | 0:19:13 | 0:19:14 | |
This slick promotional video is how the government | 0:19:14 | 0:19:16 | |
is selling the North today, as a place for foreign investment. | 0:19:16 | 0:19:19 | |
But just what is the Northern powerhouse? | 0:19:19 | 0:19:21 | |
Does it even exist? | 0:19:21 | 0:19:22 | |
Or is it just a catchphrase? | 0:19:22 | 0:19:23 | |
We cannot live in a country where we have only got | 0:19:23 | 0:19:26 | |
one successful city. | 0:19:26 | 0:19:27 | |
We need to make sure we have got lots. | 0:19:27 | 0:19:29 | |
There is not really anything in London to draw me away | 0:19:29 | 0:19:32 | |
from such a beautiful place as this. | 0:19:32 | 0:19:33 | |
The big goal here is to try to turn around something that has | 0:19:33 | 0:19:36 | |
blighted our country for 100 years, which is the North, South dhvide. | 0:19:36 | 0:19:39 | |
Since the vote to leave the EU, many aspects of life in the UK have | 0:19:39 | 0:19:43 | |
been overshadowed by post Brexit uncertainty. | 0:19:43 | 0:19:44 | |
I have come to York, home of the Europhile. | 0:19:44 | 0:19:49 | |
58% of the electorate here voted to remain in the EU. | 0:19:49 | 0:19:54 | |
Two weeks after the nation voted to leave the EU, | 0:19:54 | 0:20:00 | |
James Wharton, the pro-Brexht Minister for the Northern | 0:20:00 | 0:20:06 | |
powerhouse, came to York to visit the newly crowned best high street | 0:20:06 | 0:20:09 | |
in the country, Bishopthorpd Road. | 0:20:09 | 0:20:10 | |
I wanted to test the mood here and see what effect Brdxit | 0:20:10 | 0:20:13 | |
has had on confidence. | 0:20:13 | 0:20:14 | |
A Dutch flower exporter had just arrived with a delivery | 0:20:14 | 0:20:16 | |
which had become 20% more expensive because of the exchange ratd. | 0:20:16 | 0:20:19 | |
He fears for his business. | 0:20:19 | 0:20:23 | |
At the moment, we only export to the UK, it is my main market | 0:20:23 | 0:20:27 | |
I am not planning on changing it. | 0:20:27 | 0:20:29 | |
The shops are going to buy less quality flowers because thex have | 0:20:29 | 0:20:32 | |
to buy more and selling less flowers. | 0:20:32 | 0:20:38 | |
-- to pay more. | 0:20:38 | 0:20:39 | |
And that is bad news for this florist. | 0:20:39 | 0:20:40 | |
It might mean that we might lose these fantastic lorries comhng | 0:20:40 | 0:20:43 | |
in with such a wonderful supply of fresh flowers. | 0:20:43 | 0:20:45 | |
And there is no way we could grow them in England. | 0:20:45 | 0:20:48 | |
We don't have the daylight, we don't have the weather, | 0:20:48 | 0:20:51 | |
the conditions. | 0:20:51 | 0:20:52 | |
We are not geared up for it. | 0:20:52 | 0:20:55 | |
Next door, Lee Preston and his wife Lucy opened this coffee shop | 0:20:55 | 0:21:05 | |
three years ago with the redundancy package from his IT job. | 0:21:06 | 0:21:11 | |
I have lived here my whole life pretty much, and I've never seen | 0:21:11 | 0:21:14 | |
much evidence of a Northern Power... | 0:21:14 | 0:21:15 | |
Certainly less so now than probably ever, because the things th`t made | 0:21:15 | 0:21:18 | |
the North and north, which is the industry, | 0:21:18 | 0:21:20 | |
is not here any more really. | 0:21:20 | 0:21:21 | |
The darkening skies seem to reflect the mood here, and as the r`in began | 0:21:21 | 0:21:25 | |
to fall, the Minister for the Northern powerhouse | 0:21:25 | 0:21:29 | |
was as unprepared for the wdather as his fellow Brexiteers sedmed | 0:21:29 | 0:21:31 | |
to be for a future outside the EU. | 0:21:31 | 0:21:33 | |
He has only been here for 14 minutes, but already he has | 0:21:33 | 0:21:36 | |
boosted the local economy, because, like me, he has | 0:21:36 | 0:21:39 | |
had to buy a brolly. | 0:21:39 | 0:21:40 | |
If the powerhouse is going to deliver, it needs to start | 0:21:40 | 0:21:42 | |
to rebalance that economy, to create growth across the board | 0:21:42 | 0:21:46 | |
that matches growth we have seen elsewhere in the country. | 0:21:46 | 0:21:49 | |
That would be more better jobs, more long-term investment. | 0:21:49 | 0:21:52 | |
This is about taking it to the next level. | 0:21:52 | 0:21:56 | |
Four months on, and after George Osborne's sacking, | 0:21:56 | 0:21:58 | |
James Wharton has been moved to another department | 0:21:58 | 0:22:00 | |
and there is a new Minister for the Northern powerhouse. | 0:22:00 | 0:22:03 | |
Andrew Percy, the Goole MP. | 0:22:03 | 0:22:12 | |
His first act was to grant Sheffield a city region devolution de`l. | 0:22:12 | 0:22:16 | |
The devolution deals we havd signed the government will bring ?3 billion | 0:22:16 | 0:22:19 | |
of funding that would otherwise be spent and determined | 0:22:19 | 0:22:21 | |
in London, in Whitehall. | 0:22:21 | 0:22:24 | |
As somebody who is from the north, a proud Northerner, I have `lways | 0:22:24 | 0:22:28 | |
argued that we make better decisions from ourselves. | 0:22:28 | 0:22:31 | |
And we require a mayor as p`rt of that, because we expect | 0:22:31 | 0:22:34 | |
there to be a strong figure of accountability. | 0:22:34 | 0:22:36 | |
Following on from London's layor, there are going to be votes | 0:22:36 | 0:22:39 | |
for so-called Metro Mayors in Manchester, Liverpool, | 0:22:39 | 0:22:44 | |
Tees Valley and right here in Sheffield, | 0:22:44 | 0:22:49 | |
where just four years ago, in a referendum, voters rejdcted | 0:22:49 | 0:22:51 | |
the idea of an elected mayor. | 0:22:51 | 0:22:53 | |
Critics fear the government will use devolution of power to shift | 0:22:53 | 0:22:55 | |
the blane to local government for The Deep cuts in servicds. | 0:22:55 | 0:22:58 | |
But the think tank Centre for Cities is more positive about the hdea | 0:22:58 | 0:23:01 | |
of devolving financial powers to a city region mayor. | 0:23:01 | 0:23:04 | |
Very big debate about whether devolution is about managing | 0:23:04 | 0:23:07 | |
cuts or is about making surd you can make the most of the money. | 0:23:07 | 0:23:10 | |
So what we are doing through devolution is getting places | 0:23:10 | 0:23:12 | |
the chance to take their own decisions about what works. | 0:23:12 | 0:23:15 | |
People in Whitehall don't know what is going to work best | 0:23:15 | 0:23:17 | |
in Sheffield city region. | 0:23:17 | 0:23:18 | |
Save Bis jobs... | 0:23:18 | 0:23:28 | |
250 civil service jobs in Sheffield at the Departmdnt | 0:23:28 | 0:23:30 | |
for Business, Innovation and Skills are being cut. | 0:23:30 | 0:23:32 | |
Many staff working on the concept of the Northern powerhouse | 0:23:32 | 0:23:36 | |
face losing their jobs or moving to London. | 0:23:36 | 0:23:37 | |
The irony of this is not lost on them. | 0:23:37 | 0:23:40 | |
It is crazy. | 0:23:40 | 0:23:43 | |
Move the big departments out of Whitehall. | 0:23:43 | 0:23:49 | |
London is overheating, the government is moving in the wrong | 0:23:49 | 0:23:51 | |
direction with this decision. | 0:23:51 | 0:23:53 | |
Nearby in Rotherham, privatd sector jobs are being created, | 0:23:53 | 0:23:55 | |
but this has nothing to do with the Northern powerhousd. | 0:23:55 | 0:23:58 | |
The advanced manufacturing Park is a high-tech hub with dirdct links | 0:23:58 | 0:24:01 | |
to education and a nearby cdntre to train apprentices. | 0:24:01 | 0:24:03 | |
And if we are going to keep our brightest and best in the north | 0:24:03 | 0:24:06 | |
we need to make sure there `re well skilled jobs, to keep them `way | 0:24:06 | 0:24:10 | |
from the lure of London. | 0:24:10 | 0:24:11 | |
I am on my way to meet a man who, with a first-class masters | 0:24:11 | 0:24:14 | |
and doctorate in physics from Oxford, could have had his pick | 0:24:14 | 0:24:17 | |
of high-tech jobs anywhere in the country. | 0:24:17 | 0:24:22 | |
Most of my friends from Oxford went off to London or other major | 0:24:22 | 0:24:26 | |
cities around the world. | 0:24:26 | 0:24:30 | |
But Richard found work here, in his home in the Lake District. | 0:24:30 | 0:24:40 | |
At Siemens plant, he's workhng on a prototype cable that | 0:24:41 | 0:24:44 | |
will have a 30 year life sp`n three miles beneath the sea, | 0:24:44 | 0:24:47 | |
and plugs that can handle the output of a small nuclear power st`tion. | 0:24:47 | 0:24:50 | |
I was afraid that I might h`ve to get a job in the south e`st | 0:24:50 | 0:24:54 | |
if I wanted to work in rese`rch andf development, so I was | 0:24:54 | 0:24:57 | |
delighted when I had | 0:24:57 | 0:24:58 | |
the opportunity to come up `nd do some high-tech work | 0:24:58 | 0:25:00 | |
in the north-west. | 0:25:00 | 0:25:01 | |
Even within this company, there is enough varied work to keep | 0:25:01 | 0:25:04 | |
you going on a long career. | 0:25:04 | 0:25:05 | |
I mean, I have been here for four years now and I have had thd chance | 0:25:05 | 0:25:09 | |
to work on brand-new research, I have been able to do mech`nical | 0:25:09 | 0:25:12 | |
design, electrical design, actually testing the compondnts that | 0:25:12 | 0:25:14 | |
I have spent so long working on | 0:25:14 | 0:25:19 | |
But for Richard, it is not all about the job. | 0:25:20 | 0:25:22 | |
This is the landscape that surrounds him on his | 0:25:22 | 0:25:24 | |
commute to work. | 0:25:24 | 0:25:30 | |
So, as you cycle to work through all of this every morning, | 0:25:30 | 0:25:33 | |
Richard, do you ever wonder what the rat race would be like | 0:25:33 | 0:25:36 | |
I prefer not to! | 0:25:36 | 0:25:41 | |
I prefer just to enjoy the ride into work and on a day | 0:25:41 | 0:25:44 | |
like today enjoy the sunshine and peace and quiet. | 0:25:44 | 0:25:47 | |
There is not really anything in London to draw me away from such | 0:25:47 | 0:25:50 | |
a beautiful place of birth. | 0:25:50 | 0:25:51 | |
But Richard's employer is Gdrman and investment is key | 0:25:51 | 0:25:53 | |
if the Northern powerhouse is going to work. | 0:25:53 | 0:25:55 | |
Siemens has already invested heavily in the north, including | 0:25:55 | 0:25:57 | |
the ?310 million wind turbine blade factory and hold back. | 0:25:57 | 0:26:00 | |
-- in Hull. | 0:26:00 | 0:26:02 | |
Now they say Brexit threatened such investment in the future. | 0:26:02 | 0:26:05 | |
Short-term, in terms of any investment decisions | 0:26:05 | 0:26:06 | |
you might want to make here, especially those which revolve | 0:26:06 | 0:26:09 | |
in exporting to the European Union, they will be nice. | 0:26:09 | 0:26:14 | |
-- be on ice. | 0:26:14 | 0:26:15 | |
There is no question about that | 0:26:15 | 0:26:18 | |
Doctor Craig Berry is a political economist | 0:26:18 | 0:26:19 | |
at Sheffield University specialising in the Northern economy. | 0:26:19 | 0:26:22 | |
He fears Brexit poses a major threat to the success | 0:26:22 | 0:26:24 | |
of the Northern powerhouse. | 0:26:24 | 0:26:31 | |
The Brexit vote was a vote to take back control but it undermines | 0:26:31 | 0:26:36 | |
the ability of the North to take back control, primarily | 0:26:36 | 0:26:38 | |
because the very specific effect of the European structural | 0:26:38 | 0:26:43 | |
investment fund has been withdrawn from the region | 0:26:43 | 0:26:48 | |
and the North was in receipt of billions of pounds up | 0:26:48 | 0:26:50 | |
to 2020 from these funds, and it is quite uncertain how much | 0:26:50 | 0:26:53 | |
of that will actually no end up in the region. | 0:26:53 | 0:26:56 | |
What could the effect be on investment and jobs, | 0:26:56 | 0:26:58 | |
for example in Sunderland? | 0:26:58 | 0:27:00 | |
These are worrying times for the north-east, not least | 0:27:00 | 0:27:02 | |
to car manufacturing. | 0:27:02 | 0:27:06 | |
They will not be all be at risk but even if a big investor | 0:27:06 | 0:27:10 | |
like Nissan moves out, some of those jobs will be taken up | 0:27:10 | 0:27:13 | |
by other firms picking up the pieces of the industry. | 0:27:13 | 0:27:16 | |
Since leaving office, former Chancellor George Osborne has | 0:27:16 | 0:27:17 | |
set up the Institute for the Northern powerhouse and has | 0:27:17 | 0:27:20 | |
defended his legacy. | 0:27:20 | 0:27:21 | |
The Northern powerhouse is not just a slogan. | 0:27:21 | 0:27:23 | |
And it is not just saying everything in the North is great. | 0:27:23 | 0:27:31 | |
No wonder why some Northerndrs fail to look at you as the champhon | 0:27:31 | 0:27:34 | |
of the North when we saw thd cuts, can you really be a champion | 0:27:34 | 0:27:37 | |
of the North after being in charge of the austerity budget? | 0:27:37 | 0:27:40 | |
When I became Chancellor, people were being laid off, | 0:27:40 | 0:27:42 | |
unemployment was rising, investment was not coming | 0:27:42 | 0:27:44 | |
to the north of England. | 0:27:44 | 0:27:45 | |
The big goal here is to try to turn around something that has | 0:27:45 | 0:27:48 | |
blighted our country for 100 years, which is the North, South dhvide, | 0:27:48 | 0:27:51 | |
and it cannot be done overnhght | 0:27:51 | 0:27:52 | |
We are now post Brexit. | 0:27:52 | 0:27:53 | |
Already we have heard from people like Siemens and Nissan | 0:27:53 | 0:27:56 | |
that they are putting their investment in the North | 0:27:56 | 0:27:58 | |
on hold until they know what is happening. | 0:27:58 | 0:28:00 | |
This is very much reliant on investment, is it not? | 0:28:00 | 0:28:02 | |
In a Brexit world, it is evdn more important that the North | 0:28:02 | 0:28:05 | |
sells itself around the world. | 0:28:05 | 0:28:06 | |
You know, I was with the le`ders of the different cities and we went | 0:28:06 | 0:28:14 | |
to China and, as a result, Chinese investment has started | 0:28:14 | 0:28:17 | |
to flow into Manchester and Sheffield and Leeds. | 0:28:17 | 0:28:18 | |
It is an example of how collectively the North can punch | 0:28:18 | 0:28:21 | |
above its weight. | 0:28:21 | 0:28:22 | |
There are still major obstacles to realising the vision | 0:28:22 | 0:28:24 | |
of a Northern powerhouse. | 0:28:24 | 0:28:28 | |
Vital transport improvements are long overdue and the success | 0:28:28 | 0:28:30 | |
of George Osborne's big ide` will largely come down | 0:28:30 | 0:28:32 | |
to one thing, money. | 0:28:32 | 0:28:33 | |
Will there be enough? | 0:28:33 | 0:28:39 | |
That is all from us here in Rotherham. | 0:28:39 | 0:28:41 | |
Make sure you join us next week | 0:28:41 | 0:28:43 | |
When we'll be looking at the devastating effects | 0:28:44 | 0:28:46 | |
of diabetes and meeting a woman who is doing her best to be`t this | 0:28:46 | 0:28:50 | |
terrible disease before it destroys her health. | 0:28:50 | 0:28:53 |