24/10/2011 Inside Out Yorkshire and Lincolnshire


24/10/2011

Businessman Terry George, who left school without any qualifications, speaks to students and a university vice chancellor as he tries to discover the value of a university degree.


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Welcome to the programme. This week, we sent a millionaire businessman

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to find out the value of a university degree in the current

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economic climate. Terry George are left school with no qualifications

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asks a group of students what they all think? And I can tell you, my

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neighbours and I never thought about going to university. Also

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tonight, beat the fees. Financial - - a financial guru has advice and

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how to beat the fees. You can end up not having to pay back a penny.

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And campaign for people that like food, in the age of austerity,

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campsite cooking and a gourmet Terry George is a millionaire

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businessman who is living the dream. A swimming pool, a mansion, a

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fantastic lifestyle. He achieved all of this despite leaving school

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at 16 without any qualifications. What does he think is the value of

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a university education in this day and age? Hallow, guys, just

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checking out what is going on. is student night at one of my

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venues and it's going to be packed. Can we push them to the other side?

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And made my money out of property, telecoms, bars and clubs. What time

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to reopen until tonight? 6 A I am. These students are my customers,

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there are over a 1,000 people here, and I am the only one that has not

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been to university. It might not look like it, but being a student

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is not just about having a good time. Most of the students are

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hoping to get good jobs. It was different for me when I this

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growing up in Leeds. I got nothing from education. I have never pass

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an exam in my life, apart from my driving test. It is unusual coming

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back to my street where I grew wop. All of the neighbours, I can tell

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you that none of them, including myself, thought about going to

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university. We were thinking about paying higher bills, keeping the

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electricity on, paying for food. It is so different these days. This is

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my old house. Sometimes my parents struggled to feed us. When times

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were tough, we did the best we could. Just down the road, I went

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to school. It has been pulled down now. I spent most of my time here

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at the back of the class until I was old enough to go. I left at 16

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with no qualifications. I thought it was time to go into the big bad

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world and make some money. These days, some students seem to spend

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as much time protesting about money as they do studying. University is

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getting more and more expensive. Students will have to pay tuition

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fees of up to �9,000 a year. Some people are wandering is it still

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worth going to university? -- wanderings. This is Savell Sol, it

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used to be a mining town, but the pits closed many years ago. Like me,

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lots of the kids here never thought about going to university. I am

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meeting some sixth-formers from a local school and I want to know how

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they feel about getting a degree. And many have you had your parents

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could University? These parents do not want to following their parents

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footsteps. -- the students. mother works hard in a factory, but

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I don't think that she gets the rewards that she wants. I want

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those rewards. I feel sorry for people that cannot get any higher.

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They have to work as a factory workers for the rest of their lives.

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Some people leave college and university because they think

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getting a factory job is better because you get money straight away,

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but nobody will want to stay in a factory for the rest of your life.

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You want a good university to do something good. My parents would

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have wanted to do something else. With the university fees put you

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off? Do you have plans to get around that? I have to consider it,

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because my cause is seven years, and it reaches �150,000. What do

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you want to do? I want to be an actor. Nowadays, nearly half of all

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teenagers good university. I spent my life wondering what would happen

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if I had gone? A lot of people say, why go to university, you were very

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successful. That is true, but died surrounded myself with people that

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had been to university, people with degrees. -- eyes surrounded myself.

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But universities are not everything. Some people opt out of student life

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and go straight to work. I have come to a law firm in Leeds to meet

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some people that it realise you do not have to be a graduate to get a

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job peer. This law firm takes on school leavers as apprentices.

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not guaranteed a job after university, but after an

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apprenticeship I am guaranteed a job. It looked like you were going

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to good university be changed to a mind at the last minute, jazzman?

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This was not the first opportunity, if university was freed or heavily

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subsidised, I would have gone straight to university. But you

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have to get up and dress smart and good to work, whereas your friends

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can wear what they want and they go to university. How do you feel?

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feel different when I get my pay cheque on the 20th of the month and

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they have to pay their student loan. Universities are big business. They

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say they are offering customers and attract a product. The main thing

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they get when they come to university is alive opportunity.

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This is a complete the life changing events. You leave here

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with a fantastic skill set and you will end up in a job, hopefully,

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three will enjoy yourself for the rest of your life, and would

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probably be paid more as well. Student fees are going up, but the

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vice chancellor doesn't do too badly. Last year he earned a salary

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and benefits of �319,000. Nationally, I run the second

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biggest university in the country. I think I received the 20th highest

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salary. So, I have had no, at my own volition, I have had no pay

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increase for the last three years. So you have paid your money, you

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have your degree, you would expect to walk into a good job. But we

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you? Paula Nice and Hannah Dickinson got good degrees from

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Leeds University. Paula got a first and Hannah got a 2.1, but they

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cannot find a good job. We have to dramatically lower expectations and

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I signed up with a job based in see recently and said I was hoping for

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�15,000 up. -- a job agency recently. They said that people

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with more experience than me are looking for more than that, and

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that is fine, I'm not driven by money. It is just not me what we

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expected. I am shocked, because I hear stories of people that a

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graduated expecting to get �22,000, that is not what you're telling me.

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I do not know where them jobs are! Be teenagers have high hopes. --

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the teenagers. We're at Leeds Metropolitan University to have a

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look around. I have got involved at Leeds Metropolitan University with

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schoolkids from all backgrounds, because we want them to think about

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going to university. I spoke to the student union president. The new

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generation will have to pay fees, would that put you off? It would be

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something I would consider, but I do not think it should put you off,

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because coming to university, you will learn something priceless.

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Even if it is 20 grand a year, I'd still do it, just with the

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experience of meeting different people, understanding different

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cultures, learning will you are. That is something that is really

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important overall of the fees. taking be teenagers around my home.

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This is what I have worked for. 30 years ago, I never dreamt I would

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live somewhere like this. Did you bring a swimming costume?

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You're not skinny dipping! My Won Joon to go to university, do very

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well and, to buy this house from me. -- I wanted to go to university. As

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anyone had a change of heart? Who still wants to go to university?

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don't want to be a teacher any more, because I will not earn enough, I

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could not build a life like this. As this puts you off? It has put me

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off, I will do something else. sure all of these kids will have a

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brighter future, one of them is unsure about university, but all of

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the rest of them are going ahead and I agree with them.

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I have learned that university is not for everyone, and yes, the

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university fees are going up, but you cannot put a price on education.

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There is more to it than just the university fees, there is the

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aspect of meeting new people, the opportunity to open new doors.

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Despite my success, looking back, I would definitely have gone to

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Coming up on Inside Out, gourmet camping. We meet the man putting

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the glamour into cooking under A survey commissioned by BBC

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insiders suggest that the vast majority of A-level students have

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not been put off the idea of going to university by next year's hike

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in tuition fees. Some are considering going abroad as a

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cheaper option. We ask a financial guru to see if there is a way to

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beat the fees. Young, confused and afraid. This is

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what thousands of teenagers across England field. A lifetime on the

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run. What is chasing them? Student debt. But is it really going to be

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the horror movie that we have been led to believe? Whether to think

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next year's hake in fees is fair enough, it is happening. Young

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people in need to know the facts. I am going to show you what a degree

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can really cost, and how you can avoid those fees altogether. Next

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year, English universities will charge up to �9,000 paired here,

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with living costs on top, graduates can face debts of up to �50,000.

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How much will be actually end up paying back? I have come to meet

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some sixth formers in Birmingham to show them. I think the number will

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shock them. I think that earning interest over such a long time as

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you are paying back that don't really is a number that most people

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do not think about. Let's imagine that you graduate from university

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with first -- with �50,000 in debt. You get a high-paying job like we

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expect to cut you will get. How much of that money do you have to

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pay back? I am not quite sure, but is it all that? You have to pay

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back all of it and more. All, interest. Her interest. -- Cole,

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interest. �75,000. Is that just for one person? Is that for an average

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the three-year degree? Yes, if you take out the maximum loan.

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But what if their careers do not go as planned and they never earned

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more than �21,000 pair year? The image you have to pay back is easy

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goal. So what is going on? -- the amount you have to pay back a zero.

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The more you earn, the more you pay back. If you never earned more than

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a certain amount, then you never pay back a penny. The new

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independent tax for -- independent task force on student debt is led

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by Martyn Lewis. These fees, compared with the actual cost are a

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very different type of system. Many people will not come close to

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paying in full what they have borrowed. Some will not pay

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anything at all. The bewildering fact that we are putting people off

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pretty -- putting people off going to university because they are

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looking at the price tag is a shocking. Most graduates will face

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of this debt. Is there any way of avoiding the fees? Yes, you can

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study abroad. At the recent student World Fair in London, teenagers

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discovered just how much they can save. I think everyone would rather

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go to university when they are paying �8,000 cheaper. As the fees

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are cheaper, that is more attractive. In fact, dozens of

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universities across Europe are offering courses taught in English.

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The fees differ from country to country, but in Scandinavia,

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tuition is free. In Denmark, we have no tuition fees at all. The

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Danish government fees for Danish students are free, so according to

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EU rules, we must treat other he's you students alike. This girl has

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taken the plunge and is off to uni in Slovakia. I have my flight, this

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is my hand luggage. She saved a fortune on living costs, paying

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just �100 per month. What would be the piece of advice

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that he would give to anyone considering doing what you are

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doing? I think if you are even considering it, you should go for

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it. It is worth doing. Does get on a plane. You need to be a but

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praise for the plane journey over, but I have never looked back. --

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you need to be a bit of praise for the plane journey. Time is up. I

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want my money. I want by 50 grand. Studying overseas may be one way to

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avoid the debt. But there are down side. If you study abroad, the

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government here will not give you a loan. Only some of the courses are

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taught in English, and some employers may not recognise foreign

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degrees. So you need to do your homework. Another way of beating

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the fees is to get someone else to pay. But who? London's financial

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heartland is a good place to look. Do not be fooled by the power suits.

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Believe it or not, these youngsters are all freshers. They are being

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sponsored by accountancy giant KPMG. The entire package was a degree, a

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salary, the tuition fees were paid and you where... A job at the end

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and you were held to become a qualified and chartered accountant.

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Did it sound too good to be true? That you suspect a catch some were?

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There was not a cat and I do not think there is a catch. As with

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everything in life, I do not -- you have to work hard. The man who runs

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the programme tells me that KPMG does not offer the stereotypical

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student experience. This is an extremely intensive programme. They

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must walk from us, study for the Digby and attain their chartered

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accountancy qualification in six years. That will acquire hard work

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and that is all you really ask of them. Then there are bursaries.

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Students from low-income families can get money from Derry us sources.

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It is worth recalling the Web. -- it is worth looking on the Web. Is

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there another way of avoiding the debt? You can pay up front. 16 you

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also feel that Adams is try to do just that. As well as studying for

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her A-levels, she sells beauty products on her bedside. I started

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my bed -- started by business because I wanted to save for

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university. My parents said that with the high price of university

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fees, it would be too much for them. And try to avoid getting into debt,

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because I know it takes a long while to get out of debt and I do

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not want to be in that place. Government allows students to pay

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up front, but most will have to to get a loan. One financial expert

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believes that graduates could end up paying back far more than anyone

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has predicted. Financial -- is financial

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journalist is warning students to beware. The problem is that the

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deal is not a deal. There are all of these numbers flying about,

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saying that you will be charged a certain rate of interest on the

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loan and sure payments will start at �21,000. Over that you are

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paying a certain percentage. None of those calamities or in the

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contract that Eastern signs of four. The Government can change those

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numbers as it wants to in five years' time, ten years' time or 30

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years' time. Students could end up paying a lot more. Any big changes

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would have to be approved by Parliament. Like many Americans, I

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graduated with the equivalent of tens of thousands of pounds worth

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of debt. It was daunting. If you know the facts, student debt does

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not have to be scary. I confronted it, and so can you.

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It may not be everyone's idea of fun, but spending holidays under

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canvas can -- is becoming increasingly popular, especially in

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these cash-strapped times. The only problem with camping in this

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country, other than the weather, is the food. If you do not like

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banners and beans, be have been to meet someone who might be able to

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help. -- bangers and beans. We have come to the campsite at had

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his farm in Robin Hood Bay near Whitby, I could win one of the most

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spectacular locations you will find anywhere. What is great about

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camping at the site and the smells and the fact that you are that much

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closer to nature. What is not always so good is the food. Entered

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Josh Sutton, also known as the guy rope Gourmet, a man whose passion

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in life is to bring top-quality there may cuisine to the campsite.

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Traditional can save food has always been banners and beans and

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things in towns and processed food. I have been eating that for years.

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I am fed up with it. Good to see you. Good to see you. Shall we get

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the tented? Just spend as many weekends as possible under the

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canvas as possible. He believes that with planning and organisation,

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and gourmet food is within reach. Over the next few days, people put

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that theory to the test. I am trying to encourage people to try

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something a little bit different. I have a website with a collection of

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30 or 40 recipes. Some are simple salads, others are a little more

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complicated. I just want people to try it. I believe there is a guy

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rope gourmet and everyone. Judges providing both the food and the

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entertainment, all with just two gas rings, a couple of pans and the

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ukulele. The pilot is cooked! should walk round their tents and

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see what they are eating. Yeah, what I treating? Simple for now,

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but tomorrow we are setting a challenge that will test him to the

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limit. Campaign has been around for years, but as she sticks -- but has

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recently experienced an explosion in popularity. What was once the

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preserve of hardy outdoor types is now a staple of the great British a

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stay-cation. Over a million people went camping last year, and so tend

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technology may have moved on, the cuisine has largely been left

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behind. Day two, and it is a blustery but

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bright day at Robin Hood's Bay. Morning, Jamie. After a breakfast

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of scrambled egg and smoked salmon, it is time to get down to business.

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Today, we are going to be Josh's theory to the test. We will send

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him out to find local ingredients and then knock up a feast that is

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fit for a king. We have given him a limited budget

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and stipulated that everyone must be pot within five miles of the

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campsite. Are you happy with what you are doing? Very much so.

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said the PM then. We have not so when the menu tonight, I'm heading

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out to find a fresh lobster. The tightest has come up, so I am just

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looking for a chat on a boat with fresh lobsters to score overnight.

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Let's have a look at those. I am looking for a nice size lobster,

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bearing in mind the pot I have. That fellow is a contender, and

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that one there. This one looks like a male, with a slightly bigger

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cloth. Well, we have some lovely lobsters and will cut them up with

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some linguini and tomato sauce. -- with a slightly bigger coal.

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We are heading off into Whitby to pick up a couple of scalps, which I

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will take back to the campsite, a rat and a couple of bits of Padgett

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and pop them on a skewer. -- to pick up a couple of scallops.

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We are going to a great little fish shop here on the right hand side,

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it has an amazing window display. He would not want to get your legs

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stuck in there, which you! I am looking for some scallops if they

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have any. I will have half a dozen, please. Meanwhile, back in the

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campsite, I am organising little surprise for Josh. OK, I'll see you

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around three. Bearing in mind that my taste buds are not exactly that

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culture, and decided to bring in a judge who is a little bit more

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discerning. My neighbours rob Green, and die and the National seafood

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chef of the year. I think that seafood should be fresh, locally

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sourced and not messed about with too much. I will be hard but fair.

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Back at the campsite, Josh has started ticking, but the weather

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has taken a turn for the worst. classic camping fashion, be have

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added dramatic weather changed. The heavens are about to open up on us.

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It is time to say goodbye to these boys. They are still alive and

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kicking. Beautiful chaps, these two losses are going to feed three of

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us. And like to say thanks to the losses for giving up their lives,

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and damned which goal and dispatch them. But then, the when -- the

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weather went from bad to ridiculous. Is that normal, Josh? Know, that is

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not normal. We have a slight problem with the wind at the moment.

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It is knocking the tent absolutely flat. Take a look over there, you

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might be able to see a huge crate back of rain which is coming

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straight for us. Will you be able to carry on cooking? I will move

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into the 10th, when I am out of the wind it will not pull the flames

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out. -- into the tent. Joshua Lumley has around 30 minutes before

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a judge is due to live -- due to arrive. Well and truly cooked

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delicious. That is little later as onions, garlic and sacks or take

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large plum tomatoes. These, just boiled in sea water for 15 minutes.

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At 3pm, Rob Green arrives at the campsite, despite the appalling

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conditions earlier, Josh is ready to serve up. We have a starter of

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school wrapped in an Cheka. Add a little of linguini with lobster and

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0:27:070:27:08

tomato sauce. Excellent. I hope you enjoy it. Could to perfection,

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lovely. Abul tried the lot lop -- I will try the lobster. I can still

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pays the lobster through the source. There are some really nice, and

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zany and lemon going on there as well. A simple dish, but absolutely

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Fabulous. If I was camping and I was served this it would be over

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the moon. These are restaurant quality dishes. An absolute genius

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on the camping equipment that we have there. He will have to excuse

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me, I am good to have another that. How do you feel? You have been

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given the thumbs-up by the seafood chef of the year. I cannot get over

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it. There was a couple of bits of lemon zest in there, a couple of

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the simple things like that. I cannot believe it, I feel like

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going off and doing little dance. There you go, camping cuisine par

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excellence. The best use is, there has only around the hours until

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dinner. If you want to contact us, you can

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do via her Facebook page or via Twitter.

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That is all from Malham in the Yorkshire Dales. Joined as for next

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