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Neil Jordan is a storyteller, equally at home on the cinema screen | :00:00. | :00:21. | |
His thriller, The Dran Detective, has all the ingredients of a movie. | :00:22. | :00:25. | |
A fast-moving plot, a cast of dark and intriguing characters, | :00:26. | :00:28. | |
a setting that disturbs you from the very first page. | :00:29. | :00:30. | |
All of that and a strong whiff of the surreal, | :00:31. | :00:32. | |
and you realise in this story that you are in the hands | :00:33. | :00:35. | |
Neal, it's inescapable that you're a writer who straddles two worlds. | :00:36. | :00:53. | |
When you're writing fiction, putting a story on the page, | :00:54. | :00:56. | |
do you imagine yourself being behind a camera? | :00:57. | :01:00. | |
In a strange way, it's a very lonely pursuit, | :01:01. | :01:08. | |
In a strange way, you can be as alone on a set with 300 | :01:09. | :01:13. | |
To directe a movie correctly or to see it correctly, | :01:14. | :01:17. | |
you kind of have to place yourself in a very isolated position. | :01:18. | :01:20. | |
Otherwise, you are influenced by everybody and the media | :01:21. | :01:24. | |
So, the loneliness of the writer is, in your view, essential, really? | :01:25. | :01:35. | |
It's also accentuated by the position of the director. | :01:36. | :01:38. | |
There is nothing as strange as being asked 25 different | :01:39. | :01:40. | |
You are far better off to keep yourself in an isolated place | :01:41. | :01:45. | |
and keep your brain clear and to see things as clear as possible. | :01:46. | :01:48. | |
In a sense, you have that magic eye which is on this unit. | :01:49. | :01:51. | |
You can move around the room, you see the room, you see | :01:52. | :01:54. | |
the street, you see the bridge where at one point in the story | :01:55. | :01:57. | |
a girl is apparently going to jump into the river. | :01:58. | :02:00. | |
That's where I started making movies in the end because I was writing | :02:01. | :02:09. | |
I started with a book of stories and over at a novel called The Past, | :02:10. | :02:16. | |
which was entirely based around a photographer. | :02:17. | :02:17. | |
I realised everything I was writing was basically to do with visual | :02:18. | :02:30. | |
Sometimes when people describe novels is very imagistic, | :02:31. | :02:32. | |
it seems to me to be a slight criticism. | :02:33. | :02:34. | |
That is the kind of being I am and there is no point in resisting. | :02:35. | :02:39. | |
We talk about images, but we can also talk about language. | :02:40. | :02:42. | |
Crispness of the dialogue and the speed of the dialogue | :02:43. | :02:44. | |
in this book is one of the things that will strike anybody. | :02:45. | :02:47. | |
Writing novels is about having an ear for speech, in the end. | :02:48. | :02:50. | |
It's a weird thing, it's kind of a knack. | :02:51. | :02:53. | |
It's the one thing I most love to you, is to write dialogue, | :02:54. | :02:56. | |
and I most love to write dialogue that doesn't say | :02:57. | :02:59. | |
People very rarely say what they think. | :03:00. | :03:10. | |
Even when I'm going through screenplay, sometimes, | :03:11. | :03:16. | |
and people say, "Why don't they say, I want to get back to my wife?" | :03:17. | :03:19. | |
That's the last thing you say in those circumstances. | :03:20. | :03:22. | |
The fun or the beauty of dialogue is that it is elusive and bleak. | :03:23. | :03:33. | |
The world in which Jonathan, your hero, the detective, | :03:34. | :03:48. | |
former special forces man, the world in which she moves | :03:49. | :03:50. | |
One world fell apart in Eastern Europe in 1989, 19 90. | :03:51. | :03:54. | |
The world that we see here is one that hasn't yet been | :03:55. | :03:56. | |
In Europe at the moment, you do feel whatever structures | :03:57. | :04:01. | |
are holding the societal agreements to gather our collapsing | :04:02. | :04:03. | |
This is not about Baghdad, Syria, anything like that. | :04:04. | :04:07. | |
But it is about a place where certainties are collapsing | :04:08. | :04:09. | |
and ancient legions rise to the surface. | :04:10. | :04:21. | |
Your central character Jonathan, and absorbing character, | :04:22. | :04:23. | |
is somebody who can't put it own life together, either. | :04:24. | :04:25. | |
Didn't you want to give a somebody who had hoped? | :04:26. | :04:28. | |
It's a portrait of a marriage, as well as everything else, | :04:29. | :04:45. | |
and a portrait of two people who have been together for 20 years | :04:46. | :04:48. | |
This mysterious thing has vanished from their lives, which | :04:49. | :04:51. | |
It's an experience that happens in every person around | :04:52. | :04:54. | |
It happens in every marriage, every relationship and every human | :04:55. | :04:57. | |
being wear whatever is that sap of urgency seems to have gone | :04:58. | :05:01. | |
to somebody else or something like that. | :05:02. | :05:03. | |
Eventually they leave the environment and they go | :05:04. | :05:06. | |
back to the certainties of somewhere like Wimbledon. | :05:07. | :05:08. | |
There is a wonderful undercurrent in here which bus through from time | :05:09. | :05:13. | |
A psychic character with imaginary people coming to tea. | :05:14. | :05:30. | |
Do you have the feeling that we've all got that sense of the mysterious | :05:31. | :05:33. | |
I suppose that's why religions are there. | :05:34. | :05:51. | |
I've always wanted to construct a mystery that ended up in the zone | :05:52. | :05:54. | |
of irrationality where the central character, the Demons | :05:55. | :05:58. | |
the protagonists are looking for beyond the grave in some way. | :05:59. | :06:01. | |
It's also something to do with desire. | :06:02. | :06:09. | |
I always feel eroticism and death are sometimes combined. | :06:10. | :06:11. | |
I do want to get too complicated here. | :06:12. | :06:16. | |
Essentially what the book is about, anyway. | :06:17. | :06:26. | |
There's one wonderful character in here, well, | :06:27. | :06:28. | |
But one particular character, Gertrude, his own incarnation | :06:29. | :06:32. | |
of Marlene Deitrich with a Pomeranian. | :06:33. | :06:33. | |
This, clearly, was a somebody you enjoyed creating, | :06:34. | :06:35. | |
writing about, talking about, and bringing into the room. | :06:36. | :06:37. | |
There is no basis in fact for this person. | :06:38. | :06:41. | |
I began to enjoy her and I had this image of her sitting | :06:42. | :06:45. | |
in her apartment dressed in a yellow morning rope sipping something that | :06:46. | :06:50. | |
Are you the kind of writer who finds that a character wanders | :06:51. | :06:57. | |
onto the stage almost unwritten, not fully formed, and you think | :06:58. | :07:03. | |
Is that what she did? Yes, she came. | :07:04. | :07:16. | |
That's the beauty of writing a book, as opposed to making a movie. | :07:17. | :07:19. | |
If you came up with a concept like Gertrude in a film, | :07:20. | :07:22. | |
or halfway through movie, or even as you're writing it, | :07:23. | :07:28. | |
the producers or financiers are looking at it and they would | :07:29. | :07:30. | |
question every aspect of that character. | :07:31. | :07:33. | |
Whereas when I'm writing a book, I can say, I will see | :07:34. | :07:36. | |
where she wants to go and what she wants to do. | :07:37. | :07:38. | |
This strikes me as a story that could work on the screen. | :07:39. | :07:41. | |
I always love that movie, Don't Look Now. | :07:42. | :07:44. | |
It ends up in a similar terrain of the rational. | :07:45. | :07:54. | |
I would like to make a movie of this book and Amazon have a film studio | :07:55. | :08:01. | |
now and they have bought it and I am talking to them. | :08:02. | :08:03. | |
I have never made a movie of the book I have written to date, | :08:04. | :08:07. | |
Neil Jordan, thank you very much indeed. | :08:08. | :08:11. |