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The American West Coast has always seemed, for many people, | :00:00. | :00:08. | |
a Shangri-La over the horizon, all sunshine and freedom, | :00:09. | :00:12. | |
the last frontier that's bound to be a happy journey's end. | :00:13. | :00:17. | |
The poet Adam O'Riordan sets his collection of short | :00:18. | :00:19. | |
stories, The Burning Ground, on that golden coast, | :00:20. | :00:23. | |
where lives collide in Los Angeles, a city that sometimes seems the most | :00:24. | :00:26. | |
artificial in the world, but always casts its own mysterious spell. | :00:27. | :00:31. | |
You describe, in these stories, something of | :00:32. | :00:50. | |
I think to me it's always been a place that's had that potential, | :00:51. | :00:58. | |
that distance, that sense of it sort of being on the very | :00:59. | :01:01. | |
edge the known world, or certainly the Anglophone world. | :01:02. | :01:05. | |
You have a quote at the beginning of the book from Christopher Isherwood, | :01:06. | :01:11. | |
which is very striking, and he uses the word | :01:12. | :01:15. | |
On the one hand it's the home of Silicon Valley, | :01:16. | :01:20. | |
its high tech, it's got Hollywood, it's everything, it's | :01:21. | :01:24. | |
the most advanced place on earth in many ways. | :01:25. | :01:26. | |
Yet there is this elemental feeling about it. | :01:27. | :01:29. | |
I think it's the way in which those things | :01:30. | :01:32. | |
So you can be at the very centre of the city, you can be downtown, | :01:33. | :01:37. | |
but in an hour's drive, you can be in the desert or you can | :01:38. | :01:40. | |
drive up to Malibu by the ocean, and you're constantly reminded, | :01:41. | :01:43. | |
as Isherwood mentions in that quote, you're constantly reminded | :01:44. | :01:45. | |
of the elemental, the vast, you feel the pull of those primal | :01:46. | :01:48. | |
I remember very clearly the first night I'd spent | :01:49. | :01:51. | |
I had terrible jet lag and I remember walking down | :01:52. | :01:58. | |
to the beach and standing there as the sun, as the mist | :01:59. | :02:00. | |
was burning off and the sun was coming up and looking around | :02:01. | :02:03. | |
and seeing two or three drifters there beside me. | :02:04. | :02:06. | |
I suppose it was sort of the opening up of the space | :02:07. | :02:10. | |
The sense that once I was there, I could think | :02:11. | :02:14. | |
I could go from writing poems to writing stories, | :02:15. | :02:17. | |
It felt like there was so much space there. | :02:18. | :02:21. | |
As you mention, you're a poet by background, | :02:22. | :02:23. | |
Goodness me, you spent a year as Poet In Residence | :02:24. | :02:29. | |
In the Lake District, which is about as poetic | :02:30. | :02:35. | |
You've turned, in this volume, to the short story form. | :02:36. | :02:40. | |
What do you think it allows you to do? | :02:41. | :02:43. | |
I think it was the place, again, that dictated the form. | :02:44. | :02:46. | |
So when I was in the Lake District at the Wordsworth Trust, | :02:47. | :02:49. | |
I wrote a lot of sonnets, which were strangely in themselves | :02:50. | :02:52. | |
Then when I got to Los Angeles and started spending more time | :02:53. | :02:56. | |
there, I felt like the short story was the form in which I | :02:57. | :02:59. | |
I was thinking about this earlier on the way here, | :03:00. | :03:02. | |
I think one of the things that really drew me to it was this idea | :03:03. | :03:06. | |
that you can, the idea of invention, the idea of making this counterfeit, | :03:07. | :03:09. | |
There is a wonderful freedom to that. | :03:10. | :03:12. | |
When you're sort of tethered to the lyric eye of being a poet, | :03:13. | :03:15. | |
when you get that freedom to invent, that freedom to find the details | :03:16. | :03:18. | |
I suppose if you're writing a sonnet of 14 lines, | :03:19. | :03:22. | |
a short story seems as if you've got the whole world? | :03:23. | :03:25. | |
Yeah, but interestingly the sonnet and this short story | :03:26. | :03:27. | |
have the same thing in common, which is you can change something | :03:28. | :03:30. | |
and get a complete overview, whereas if you're writing a novel, | :03:31. | :03:33. | |
you can't really see the change that makes until right the way through. | :03:34. | :03:36. | |
So you can fix both things in a day, as it were. | :03:37. | :03:39. | |
The other device I suppose, that's very obvious in this | :03:40. | :03:41. | |
collection is one of is the short story writer's favourite ones, | :03:42. | :03:44. | |
where lives collide almost unexpectedly. | :03:45. | :03:45. | |
There's always a sense of discovery, and you can have that | :03:46. | :03:50. | |
moment of collision that's really very dramatic. | :03:51. | :03:51. | |
I guess in the same way you are in a filmic mode, | :03:52. | :03:59. | |
you're thinking about the most intense moments in these | :04:00. | :04:01. | |
You can think, how do you can condense a whole life to five or six | :04:02. | :04:09. | |
key moments or regrets, or things they didn't do, | :04:10. | :04:11. | |
places they didn't go, and then how do those things, | :04:12. | :04:14. | |
what are the ramifications of those things, through | :04:15. | :04:16. | |
In the very first story a man goes to California to meet his, I suppose | :04:17. | :04:20. | |
I think that journey itself, that sense of returning to meet a lover, | :04:21. | :04:30. | |
that sense of going to another place but there being, finding | :04:31. | :04:33. | |
that person has to leave and being alone there... | :04:34. | :04:37. | |
I think it's a city that lends itself to that kind | :04:38. | :04:39. | |
of melancholy as well, in a strange sort of way. | :04:40. | :04:42. | |
It's this sense of a place where you can be easily lost, | :04:43. | :04:46. | |
because it's so big and sprawling and unformed, well untamed, | :04:47. | :04:52. | |
But at the same time, it can be terribly intimate. | :04:53. | :04:57. | |
It's in some ways, which is a very strange word to append | :04:58. | :05:06. | |
to Los Angeles, but in some ways it's provincial. | :05:07. | :05:09. | |
It's not at the centre of power, aside from Hollywood power, | :05:10. | :05:11. | |
it's not at the centre, and because of that you get all | :05:12. | :05:15. | |
You get different moods, you get different reactions, | :05:16. | :05:18. | |
As a young man from Manchester, as I am, was, that felt sort | :05:19. | :05:24. | |
It couldn't be further from Manchester, but in a way, | :05:25. | :05:29. | |
there were these strange sort of similarities. | :05:30. | :05:31. | |
It's also a place where you're allowed, in fact you're almost | :05:32. | :05:34. | |
You can do anything, you can dress how you like, | :05:35. | :05:40. | |
you can say anything, you can pursue some mad scheme. | :05:41. | :05:42. | |
Absolutely, and I was always very interested, in this book, | :05:43. | :05:45. | |
to think about lives that had somehow been subjected | :05:46. | :05:48. | |
The Second World War, for instance, and how they then fit themselves | :05:49. | :05:54. | |
How you live in a place like that, once you've experienced | :05:55. | :06:00. | |
It's a natural subject for somebody who has got | :06:01. | :06:04. | |
You are teaching poetry Manchester and obviously still writing poetry. | :06:05. | :06:13. | |
A lot of people say that poetry is going through a pretty good | :06:14. | :06:16. | |
What evidence is there for that, that people | :06:17. | :06:20. | |
I think, again, it's maybe a digital thing, | :06:21. | :06:26. | |
this idea that people can share their poetry now, | :06:27. | :06:29. | |
people can think about it more, they can write about it, | :06:30. | :06:31. | |
they can find communal interest, they can express themselves. | :06:32. | :06:34. | |
I think also it strikes me, the first decade or so, | :06:35. | :06:37. | |
the very strict sense of genre or place, whether its performance | :06:38. | :06:39. | |
poetry or page poetry or poetry that is somehow linked to the visual | :06:40. | :06:43. | |
arts, all of those things seem to have collapsed into each other, | :06:44. | :06:47. | |
which makes for a very fertile, and fecund landscape | :06:48. | :06:49. | |
A lot of the barriers have been broken down, I think. | :06:50. | :06:54. | |
If you're talking about a contemporary world | :06:55. | :06:57. | |
where there is a sense of drift, where people don't quite | :06:58. | :07:00. | |
know where we're headed, after the economic crash, | :07:01. | :07:04. | |
after 9/11 and so on, poetry, historically, | :07:05. | :07:08. | |
has been the classic vehicle for distilling those senses, | :07:09. | :07:12. | |
That's right, I think that's absolutely right. | :07:13. | :07:18. | |
I think it has the political application, if you will, | :07:19. | :07:21. | |
that sense that you can use it to protest, in a way, or at least | :07:22. | :07:24. | |
to make your voice heard, to share your experience, | :07:25. | :07:27. | |
You spent a year in the Lake District, which is a great place | :07:28. | :07:34. | |
just to walk and to think and to write poetry. | :07:35. | :07:36. | |
Do you find it easy to make time to let your mind wander, | :07:37. | :07:40. | |
and to give time to that blank page or that blank screen? | :07:41. | :07:44. | |
I think, yeah, the answer is you have to, with the poems | :07:45. | :07:47. | |
you have to sort of let them amass quietly in the background, you have | :07:48. | :07:50. | |
to let them pile up over time, and then sort of recognise | :07:51. | :07:55. | |
when the collection is ready to be sort of tested, | :07:56. | :07:59. | |
But as long as you have something else to focus on, | :08:00. | :08:06. | |
whether it's a book of stories, or a novel or teaching an MA course, | :08:07. | :08:09. | |
Annd you're confident that in the end they'll come good? | :08:10. | :08:18. | |
Good evening. The main theme of the weather so far this week has been | :08:19. | :08:34. | |
temperature driven and the story, as we move | :08:35. | :08:35. |