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Victoria Hislop has been having a long love affair with Greece | 0:00:04 | 0:00:07 | |
and her bestselling novels have led her army of readers | 0:00:07 | 0:00:10 | |
from island to island and into the Greek experience. | 0:00:10 | 0:00:13 | |
In Cartes Postales, she takes a new step: you see the pictures, | 0:00:13 | 0:00:16 | |
from the mysterious postcards that begin to arrive one | 0:00:16 | 0:00:18 | |
by one for Ellie from... | 0:00:18 | 0:00:22 | |
She knows not by whom at the start. | 0:00:22 | 0:00:25 | |
And it is the story of a journey of discovery to Greece and its past, | 0:00:25 | 0:00:32 | |
its culture, its whole history that unravels the secrets of the cards. | 0:00:32 | 0:00:34 | |
Welcome. | 0:00:35 | 0:00:38 | |
This is a novel about postcards, or at least it begins | 0:00:51 | 0:00:54 | |
with the arrival of postcards. | 0:00:54 | 0:00:57 | |
And we actually see them on the page! | 0:00:57 | 0:00:59 | |
Now, what made you decide to do that? | 0:00:59 | 0:01:04 | |
I wanted to give my readers real, live images of Greece. | 0:01:04 | 0:01:07 | |
When I'm researching I always take a lot of photographs myself, | 0:01:07 | 0:01:10 | |
so when I'm back in England writing I'm surrounded by them. | 0:01:10 | 0:01:15 | |
You put them on your wall? | 0:01:15 | 0:01:16 | |
Desk? | 0:01:16 | 0:01:18 | |
Put them on the wall! | 0:01:18 | 0:01:19 | |
I print them out in a very old fashioned way. | 0:01:19 | 0:01:23 | |
So you're in Greece? | 0:01:23 | 0:01:24 | |
I am in Greece! | 0:01:24 | 0:01:25 | |
I thought why can't I share images of Greece | 0:01:25 | 0:01:29 | |
with the people who read my books? | 0:01:29 | 0:01:31 | |
Why not? | 0:01:31 | 0:01:32 | |
The idea for the story... | 0:01:32 | 0:01:33 | |
Did it come from this notion you wanted to show pictures? | 0:01:33 | 0:01:36 | |
Yes. | 0:01:36 | 0:01:37 | |
In other words it was that way round, rather than the other? | 0:01:37 | 0:01:40 | |
Absolutely. | 0:01:40 | 0:01:41 | |
It was the starting point. | 0:01:41 | 0:01:42 | |
And then the idea of postcards as a linking thing, the journey | 0:01:42 | 0:01:45 | |
of this poor broken hearted man around the country... | 0:01:45 | 0:01:50 | |
Sending these postcards back, that sort of grew organically out of it. | 0:01:50 | 0:01:56 | |
In effect it is a mystery story in part, it's also a story | 0:01:56 | 0:01:59 | |
about loss and inability to manage emotions I suppose. | 0:01:59 | 0:02:08 | |
You talk about this man, wandering in a sense aimlessly? | 0:02:08 | 0:02:12 | |
He is. | 0:02:12 | 0:02:13 | |
And very few people ever have the opportunity | 0:02:13 | 0:02:17 | |
to go on this aimless... | 0:02:17 | 0:02:20 | |
In a sense it's aimless, but he needs to recover himself. | 0:02:20 | 0:02:23 | |
In that case, why is he so interesting to us? | 0:02:23 | 0:02:25 | |
Why do we care about him? | 0:02:25 | 0:02:26 | |
I'm glad you do! | 0:02:26 | 0:02:30 | |
If you didn't you wouldn't finish the book! | 0:02:30 | 0:02:33 | |
For me I wanted to write about a man experiencing these emotions, | 0:02:33 | 0:02:38 | |
because I think a lot of books I read written by women tend more | 0:02:38 | 0:02:44 | |
to explore the woman who's been dumped and y'know... | 0:02:44 | 0:02:46 | |
How she survives that. | 0:02:46 | 0:02:54 | |
And I think certainly my hope is that as he moves | 0:02:54 | 0:02:57 | |
through the months of this journey, we see a change in him. | 0:02:57 | 0:03:03 | |
I suppose that's the cliche of writing a novel. | 0:03:03 | 0:03:06 | |
It's a journey revealed to us very slowly. | 0:03:06 | 0:03:08 | |
Yes. | 0:03:08 | 0:03:14 | |
It's an emotional journey, a real journey, and the girl receiving | 0:03:14 | 0:03:16 | |
the postcards he's sending, she begins to follow behind him. | 0:03:16 | 0:03:20 | |
Piece it together. | 0:03:20 | 0:03:22 | |
From a great distance. | 0:03:22 | 0:03:24 | |
Yes. | 0:03:24 | 0:03:25 | |
Always an alluring thing. | 0:03:25 | 0:03:28 | |
I'm writing about Greece and I always if I put this man in, | 0:03:28 | 0:03:35 | |
let's say, Harrogate town centre to start this journey | 0:03:35 | 0:03:40 | |
to recover his sense of worth... | 0:03:40 | 0:03:41 | |
Whether he eventually would. | 0:03:41 | 0:03:51 | |
Maybe I should do it! | 0:03:52 | 0:03:53 | |
But Greece, to me... | 0:03:53 | 0:03:54 | |
The landscape that you find in Greece, the people that | 0:03:54 | 0:03:57 | |
meet and befriend you, there's always something to be | 0:03:57 | 0:03:59 | |
felt and be learned. | 0:03:59 | 0:04:00 | |
There have been many novels over the years, | 0:04:00 | 0:04:02 | |
going back to Lawrence Durrell and famous Captain | 0:04:02 | 0:04:04 | |
Corelli and so on. | 0:04:04 | 0:04:05 | |
It's happened before. | 0:04:05 | 0:04:07 | |
But there is something that draws people in to the history | 0:04:07 | 0:04:11 | |
and the culture and customs of Greece? | 0:04:11 | 0:04:15 | |
Yes. | 0:04:15 | 0:04:16 | |
And actually for me, the 20th century history | 0:04:16 | 0:04:18 | |
of Greece is so fascinating, complex and full of drama. | 0:04:18 | 0:04:24 | |
It provides me with endless ideas. | 0:04:24 | 0:04:27 | |
The book I've just started to write. | 0:04:27 | 0:04:30 | |
And tragedy, of course. | 0:04:30 | 0:04:31 | |
Much tragedy. | 0:04:31 | 0:04:32 | |
Every ten or 15 years in Greece - there's something fairly | 0:04:32 | 0:04:35 | |
spectacular that happens, whether it's occupation, | 0:04:35 | 0:04:36 | |
civil war or an earthquake. | 0:04:36 | 0:04:45 | |
Economic collapse. | 0:04:45 | 0:04:46 | |
Last but not least! | 0:04:46 | 0:04:49 | |
And all of these things have a huge effect on the human | 0:04:49 | 0:04:52 | |
history of a place. | 0:04:52 | 0:04:56 | |
How a family manages to survive all these catastrophic things | 0:04:56 | 0:04:59 | |
that take place there. | 0:04:59 | 0:05:01 | |
Yes. | 0:05:01 | 0:05:02 | |
It is a story about resilience, in a way? | 0:05:02 | 0:05:06 | |
It is. | 0:05:06 | 0:05:07 | |
The Greeks do survive. | 0:05:07 | 0:05:09 | |
Right now, you think how do people really manage | 0:05:09 | 0:05:12 | |
on 400, 500 Euros a month? | 0:05:12 | 0:05:16 | |
What's your answer to that? | 0:05:16 | 0:05:18 | |
One of the big factors is the importance of the family. | 0:05:18 | 0:05:22 | |
You're very rarely living 1,000km away from your grandma, aunts. | 0:05:22 | 0:05:29 | |
The old networks are still there? | 0:05:29 | 0:05:31 | |
Absolutely. | 0:05:31 | 0:05:36 | |
And the sadness about what's happening now in the 21st century | 0:05:36 | 0:05:39 | |
is that so many young people are moving out of Greece | 0:05:39 | 0:05:41 | |
to find work, find a life. | 0:05:41 | 0:05:45 | |
So I hope that they will go back eventually, and most | 0:05:45 | 0:05:51 | |
of the young people who I meet who are Greek, at university, | 0:05:51 | 0:05:53 | |
or have careers here, actually dream about going back | 0:05:53 | 0:05:55 | |
to Greece - that everything will get better. | 0:05:55 | 0:05:59 | |
It's a great tribute in a way to the power of the place? | 0:05:59 | 0:06:02 | |
I think so. | 0:06:02 | 0:06:03 | |
It still offers so much that doesn't actually get damaged by the economy. | 0:06:03 | 0:06:08 | |
What's it given you over the years? | 0:06:08 | 0:06:11 | |
Great question. | 0:06:11 | 0:06:12 | |
More or less all my inspiration. | 0:06:12 | 0:06:15 | |
I can't really step off the plane before I'm thinking | 0:06:15 | 0:06:19 | |
of an idea for a story. | 0:06:19 | 0:06:21 | |
Very much inspiration. | 0:06:21 | 0:06:24 | |
And why do you think that is? | 0:06:24 | 0:06:25 | |
Is it the richness of the... | 0:06:25 | 0:06:28 | |
The texture of the place? | 0:06:28 | 0:06:30 | |
I think, yes. | 0:06:30 | 0:06:32 | |
This vein of history I feel that I've never really explored, | 0:06:32 | 0:06:36 | |
even in my own country. | 0:06:36 | 0:06:39 | |
I think I know more about the history of Greece | 0:06:39 | 0:06:41 | |
in the 20th century than Britain. | 0:06:41 | 0:06:45 | |
And the pictures are yours? | 0:06:45 | 0:06:47 | |
They're taken by a photographer who I travelled with. | 0:06:47 | 0:06:51 | |
Taken on your own travels? | 0:06:51 | 0:06:54 | |
Simultaneously with the travels. | 0:06:54 | 0:07:03 | |
Which was a very exciting way to work. | 0:07:03 | 0:07:05 | |
Most were images, sites, totally unexpected. | 0:07:05 | 0:07:06 | |
Most were images, sites, totally unexpected. | 0:07:06 | 0:07:09 | |
For example, there's a ritual that happens every year | 0:07:09 | 0:07:12 | |
on the 6th of January, a race to find a cross that's been | 0:07:12 | 0:07:15 | |
thrown into the sea by a priest. | 0:07:15 | 0:07:17 | |
And the day that happened, I knew nothing about it. | 0:07:17 | 0:07:26 | |
So we travelled to somewhere on the west coast of Greece and that | 0:07:26 | 0:07:35 | |
morning the bells were chiming from 6am till 10. | 0:07:35 | 0:07:38 | |
So I went down into the town to explore, saw the waterfront | 0:07:38 | 0:07:41 | |
and people gathered... | 0:07:41 | 0:07:43 | |
The very first week of January, about 30 young | 0:07:43 | 0:07:47 | |
men in their speedos, quite a cold day! | 0:07:47 | 0:07:51 | |
What is this!? | 0:07:51 | 0:07:52 | |
Then learned all about this tradition, swimming out | 0:07:52 | 0:07:55 | |
for the cross on the day of the epiphany. | 0:07:55 | 0:07:59 | |
So all those photos were unexpected, the story was unexpected, | 0:07:59 | 0:08:02 | |
the mystery I imagined was not something I'd planned. | 0:08:02 | 0:08:10 | |
But when it came along it seemed perfectly natural? | 0:08:10 | 0:08:13 | |
Absolutely. | 0:08:13 | 0:08:15 | |
All the stories, more or less, I wrote the beginnings of them | 0:08:15 | 0:08:17 | |
in the car as we travelled from one place to another. | 0:08:17 | 0:08:22 | |
It just came? | 0:08:22 | 0:08:23 | |
Very much so. | 0:08:23 | 0:08:27 | |
A source of inspiration, to travel! | 0:08:27 | 0:08:31 | |
Which is how a story should come about. | 0:08:31 | 0:08:33 | |
Victoria Hislop, author of Cartes Postales, | 0:08:33 | 0:08:35 | |
thank you very much. | 0:08:35 | 0:08:36 | |
Thank you. | 0:08:36 | 0:08:46 |