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Hello and welcome to Monday in Parliament, our look

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Angry scenes in the House of Commons as the Home Secretary announces

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there will not be an inquirx into the 1984 Battle of Orgreave -

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one of the most violent events of the miners strike...

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Aren't we right in concluding that the Establishment stitch up that she

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has just announced today is nothing more than a nakedly politic`l act?

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Amber Rudd insists she's wehghed the decision carefully.

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The Health Secretary clashes with the Conservative chair

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of the Health Select Committee on England's NHS funding...

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I stick by those figures. I don t agree with the letter she wrote

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today and I'm afraid I do think her calculation is wrong.

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And the government says it won't be releasing the details

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of its agreement with the Nhssan car plant in Sunderland.

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There will be no public inqtiry into the events at the Orgrdave

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coking works in South Yorkshire during the 1984 miners strike,

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The police reaction to a picket - with charges by mounted polhce,

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and allegations police statdments were pre-prepared by other officers,

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has led to a long-running campaign for an inquiry.

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In angry exchanges in the House of Commons, the Home Secret`ry

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defended her decision, saying the so-called Battle

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of Orgreave did not compare to the Hillsborough disaster,

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because there had been no ddaths or miscarriages of justice.

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I have concluded there is no case for either a statutory inquhry

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This is an astonishing, and frankly chain for

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-- frankly shameful decision by the government.

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The government have led those families up the garden path

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Does she not understand that the disinfecting

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light of justice inquiry, a judicial inquiry, is the only

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thing that will give those communities and those familhes

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the confidence that they nedd back in the South Yorkshire Police force?

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Once again, the name of South Yorkshire Police

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does besmirch the brave officers on the front line.

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And I have raised in this House on several occasions

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and I will raise it again today will my right honourable frhend

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along with my right honourable friend the police instead,

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meet with me to have a serious discussion about whether

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South Yorkshire Police and West Yorkshire Police

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could be merged to become Yorkshire Police so that thd name

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South Yorkshire Police does not do an injustice to the officers

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who are bravely putting thehr lives on the line every day?

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Why is it that the government, and it appears to be the government,

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have now taken a decision which is contrary to the ond

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that the previous Home Secrdtary, now the Prime Minister, gavd

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in answer to my right honourable friend several months ago?

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I can tell the honourable gentleman that I had taken

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I have spoken to the former Home Secretary about the decision

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and I have ensured that all the matters and the papdrs

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We have taken our time to arrive at this decision.

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Only a willingness to look at all the evidence.

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While the public enquiries can, in some instances, be successful,

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too often they cost huge amounts of money, they take many ye`rs

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and they don't even answer the question they asked.

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Well, I thank my honourable friend for that point and in a way,

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the easier decision would h`ve been for the government

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But I cannot see that it is in the public interest,

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given the substantial changds to policing that has

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Given that the IPCC found evidence of perjury and perversion

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of the course of justice, and given that in the last lonth,

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new evidence has emerged from former police officers

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who were at Orgreave, orchestrated violence and the mass

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manufacture of police statelents, aren't we right in concluding

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that the establishment stitch up that she has just announced today

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is nothing more than a nakedly political act?

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The right honourable gentleman is entirely wrong.

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He chooses to politicise it where there is none here.

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I had a meeting, as he knows, with the campaign group.

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We had a frank exchange of information about it.

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But the fact is, just because he disagrees

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with the decision I have made, does not mean that it is

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I have made it honestly, based on the evidence.

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I wonder whether we could not consider the House having

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the courage to have a Select Committee inquiry?

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I say this because I can understand the government is dubious

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about another public enquirhes with wall-to-wall lawyers

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costing tens of millions of pounds and taking years.

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But if the government could free an ad hoc Select Committee

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where there is a head of steam behind the issue

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from the Osmotherley rules, and we could get a proper

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Select Committee under a senior member of the House and be `ble

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to interview all witnesses, including advisers to ministers

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we could deal with the sort of issue much more cheaply

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Well, it's a very interesting suggestion

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I believe that sort of setup would be a matter for the House

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We know the South Yorkshire Police lied about what happened

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at Hillsborough, yet only five years earlier,

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the same South Yorkshire Police many of the same commanders,

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behaved in a very similar way at Orgreave.

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The Orgreave families and campaigners need the sale

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-- the same justice as Hillsborough had.

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They need the same type of independent inquiry

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I would respectfully say to the right honourable ladx

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that the Hillsborough situation was quite different to Orgrdave

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It was right that we had an inquiry that analyse exactly

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miscarriages of justice, there were no deaths.

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The right honourable lady should be aware.

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Therefore, it doesn't merit the same level of status as a public inquiry

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The Health Secretary has defended his claim that ?10 billion

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has been made available to NHS front line services in England.

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But a Shadow Health Minister, whose urgent question on thd issue

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summoned Jeremy Hunt to the Commons - said the only way it could be more

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discredited is if it were on the side of a bus driven

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After last year's spending review, I can confirm to the House

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that the NHS will in fact rdceive an increase of ?10 billion hn real

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terms over the six years since the five-year forward

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In cash terms, that will sed the NHS budget increase

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from ?98.1 billion in 2014-05, to ?119.9 billion in 2020-2021.

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A highly significant rise at a time when public finances are severely

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constrained in the deficit this government regrettably inherited.

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Isn't it the reality, Mr Spdaker, that this government has cut adult

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social care, they have cut the public health --

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public health budget, has cut the NHS capital budget

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and now we learn that the average amount we spend on health c`re

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for each person in this country will actually fall in 2018 , 19

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Does that not raise series questions, Mr Speaker,

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about the claims ministers and indeed Prime Minister is having

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-- and indeed Prime Ministers has been making from that dispatch box?

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In fact, the only way that the government's figurds

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could be further discredited is if the secretary of statd slap

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them on the side of a bus and got the Foreign Secretary to drhve it!

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Labour's promise of additional funding was ?2.5 billion.

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That is not ?6 billion, not ?4 billion, but ?2.5 billion

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more, less than a third of what the NHS said they ndeded.

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And even if you accept the chair of the Select Committee's ntmbers,

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which I will go on to explahn to the House, I do not,

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Labour were pledging, over the course of the Parlhament,

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only half what this governmdnt has actually delivered in the fhrst year

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I accept that he doesn't agree with the health committee's

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appraisal of the ?10 million figure, but I'm afraid I stick

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-- the ?10 billion figure, H'm afraid I stick by those figtres

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Well, let me start by saying that I have enormous respect

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I respect her passion for the NHS, our knowledge about it

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So I would always listen very carefully to anything that she says.

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I hope she will also understand that just as she speaks plainly today,

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I need to speak plainly back and say that I don't agree with the letter

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she wrote today and I'm afr`id I do think calculations wrong.

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Isn't there an urgent need to be absolutely straight with thd British

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public about the resources we will need to maintain both

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the NHS and the care system and to confront the fact

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that we will all actually h`ve to pay a bit more to ensure

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that our loved ones get card when they need it?

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When he and I worked in govdrnment, we both campaigned hard on lany

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occasions for more funding for the NHS, including ment`l

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health, which is a particul`r priority of both of ours.

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I think the answer to this question is yes.

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The Secretary of State will know that I wrote to him over thd summer

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because at Wellstone, we had trolleys bumper-to-btmper

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-- at the Royal Stoke, we h`d trolleys bumper-to-bumper in

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hospital corridor is not a winter, but in high summer.

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Since then, we have had mord hospital bed closures

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So can I repeat the invitathon and ask the Secretary of St`te

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to come to Stoke-on-Trent and see for himself the crisis

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in the funding settlement, hitting those with the most

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I'm very happy to visit his hospital, it is a hospital H have

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I know it has been particul`rly challenging in the wake

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of what happened in neighbotring mid Staffs.

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If the government has stood by their word and invested

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the promised ?10 billion in the NHS, does the Secretary of State agree

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that the downgrade of Dewsbtry A E might not have been necessary?

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First of all, can I welcome to her place in this House.

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I'm sure she will make extrdmely important contribution and xes,

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she is filling very big boots, but she has made a very good start,

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In terms of what happens with A E department,

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the changes in the pattern of services we provide is something

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that has been a feature of both when her party has been

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in power and when my own party has been in power.

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Because the needs of the people who use the NHS also changes.

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The Health Secretary replying to Labour's Tracy Brabin,

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who replaced her friend Jo Cox as MP for Batley and Spen.

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The Business Secretary has hndicated he won't release his letter

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to Nissan which led to the car maker's decision on new invdstment

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at its Sunderland plant - securing the future of 7,000 jobs.

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Appearing in the Commons, Greg Clark was pressed to provide

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more details of his dealings with Nissan and Labour

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called for his letter to the firm to be published...

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A stunning tribute to the local workforce which has made

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the Sunderland plant, in the words of the Chief Executive

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of Nissan, a globally competitive powerhouse.

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We are immensely proud of it and proud of them.

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And of course, the decision is great news for the people

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For our world-class automothve sector and for the whole of

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Mr Clark said he had given assurances to Nissan

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on competitiveness, training and innovation...

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In our negotiations, to leave the EU, we will emphasise

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the very strong common ground that there is, especially

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in the automotive sector between ourselves and other EU

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member states in ensuring that trade between us can be free

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A good deal for the UK can `lso be a good deal for four other lember

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states and that is how we will approach the negoti`tions.

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Mr Speaker, can I join the Secretary of State in warmly welcoming

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Nissan's decision to keep production in the UK.

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It's fantastic news for Nissan's 7,000 employees and the 38,000

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plus employees who rely on its supply chain.

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It's fantastic news for Sunderland and for the country as a whole.

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It's also a testament the skill relativity and ability

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of the workforce and managelent that Nissan has such confidence

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But he said Mr Clark had refused to be transparent

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We on these benches won the economy firing on all cylinders,

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not spluttering along on one or two macro.

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As we embark on Brexit, Britain needs a government

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that is visionary, not reactive that is strategic, not shambolic.

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As a start, Mr Speaker, we need a government

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that is transparent and accountable instead of secretive.

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I say to the honourable gentleman, if you didn't offer Nissan

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a sweetener, then what have you got to hide?

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My responsibility on behalf of the government is to encourage

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and to attract investment in this country.

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And it's important that when companies of all types

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and all sectors share with me their investment pl`ns,

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that are of information to their prospective compethtors,

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that they can be assured that they are not going to be

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disclosed to their competitors, to their disadvantage.

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She said yesterday that our objective yesterday would bd to have

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continued access without tariffs or bureaucratic impediment.

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Now, that has not been said today but I think that's correct.

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But if that objective is not realised, what will the cost of each

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of the taxpayer in terms of a deal with Nissan?

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-- what will the cost be to the taxpayer.

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How much will it cost to make good those tariffs should

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That is the key question in terms of this.

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He should just come clean on one other issue he left offers list

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-- -- he left off his list of things.

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which I'm sure he did say to them when he spoke to thdm,

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which was he reminded them that the UK outside

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the European Union will be `ble to set its own new trade de`ls

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and just guess which car manufacturers will benefit from free

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trade deals with the rest of the world?

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It's a welcome example of t`rgeted government commitment

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to a successful company in a strategically vital sector

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However, will be same sort of targeted investment be available

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If so, how will these be selected in the context

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Special deals for the car industry, for the financial services sector,

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actually offer very little comfort to the literally thousands of small

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businesses and the length and breadth of this country,

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which incidentally, does go north of Newcastle as well.

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Isn't this deal a signal to those Remainers who have become

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Remoaners that they should recalibrate their doom and gloom

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and become far more optimistic about the future of this cotntry

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Can he tell the House whether his offer of tariff free

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access to the European markdt will be available to all other parts

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of our manufacturing sector, given what he said a moment ago

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when, if I hurt him right, he indicated that the government

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might take a different approach to different sectors.

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And if that means that some of them might not benefit from tariff free

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access, they'd like to know pretty quickly.

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It's not in my gift to offer tariff free access to the single m`rket.

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What I was describing would be what would be a positive outcome

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from the negotiations and therefore the demeanour we should takd

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As I meet, and my colleagues meet, my right noble friend paid le

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a personal compliment, my team share my vigour in talking

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to companies up and down thd land to make sure that we understand

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what is important to them to inform our negotiations.

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That seems to be an eminently sensible thing to do.

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You're watching Monday in Parliament.

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Still to come, the House of Lords takes a look at children's teeth

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There is an epidemic of child tooth decay and hospital admissions for

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extractions. My lord, the state of the nation's children's teeth is

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shocking. The scheme that assesses

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claimants of disability bendfits is to be overhauled,

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with ministers promising to extend a "revolution" of getting

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more people into work. The Work and Pensions Secretary

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Damian Green, told the Commons he wanted a personalised wax to help

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more disabled people find jobs. But the opposition have acctsed

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the Government of talk It's clear that for many disabled

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people, the barriers to entdring For people in work who get hll,

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too often fall out of work, lose contact, lose confidence

:17:31.:17:35.

and don't return to work, the impact extends far

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beyond the individual. Families suffer, the health

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service faces extra strain, But most of all,

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it's a human tragedy. Potential is left unfulfilldd,

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lives are lessened. Of course, health and welfare

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systems must support those that It should offer the opportunity

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of work for all those who c`n, provide help for those who could

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and care for those who can't. It is the help for those

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who could that through this green This is the third Secretary of State

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who has promised a plan, and yet During his announcement tod`y,

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the Secretary of State clailed that he was confronting

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negative attitudes, The audacity of this

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statement is offensive. The gov-mac has been responsible

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for more than anything of the negative attitudes

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towards disabled people Only this morning,

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he himself described as abld disabled

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people as sitting at home The consultation itself demonstrates

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that the Government is failhng to understand the reality of many

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disabled people's lives. And the real anxiety that they feel

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about the coded messages One of the keys to success hn ending

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the enormous waste of human potential is for the very fhrst time

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to get health services and his department working together

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far more effectively at a community level to ensure that people

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on long-term sickness benefhts get meaningful employment support

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and effective health intervdntion, because at the moment, the current

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system to often provides nehther. At my surgery on Saturday,

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I saw a man who will be 59 in two weeks' time,

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walking with tremendous difficulties on two crutches,

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who has had his employment During the time I was

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speaking to him, he broke What sort of position are wd in that

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a law-abiding person of his age suffering from disablement

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is in a position where he goes to his member of Parliament

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is in such a state of distrdss I welcome the green paper

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in its broadest sense and a dialogue about how we can improve

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the livelihood of disabled people, but the point has just been made,

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we need to make sure that ftnding In order to protect people back

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into work, and those Perhaps there are two words missing

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from the document today and the Minister's statement today,

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and that is compassion and dignity. Let's hope that we get that

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in the response from the Government. Can I suggest to the Ministdr two

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things he could do for people One is to ensure that those

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assessors undertaking work `bility tests are properly qualified,

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and secondly, could we take out the small number of people

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with long-term enduring mental health conditions who are ndver

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going to work and stop them being on this merry-go-round

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which is neither good for them I am grateful for the expertise

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that the honourable And I will take both

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his points on board, in fact his second point,

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he may have seen, I have already announced that for those who have

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got a condition which already means that they can't work

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and which will only stay the same or get worse,

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we are going to stop retesthng them, because that seems to me a piece

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of pointless and heartless bureaucracy that we can

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happily get rid of. A UN convention from 1954 sdeking

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to protect the cultural property of different countries is fhnally

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making its way into UK law. The measure has support

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from Labour and the SNP. But it was suggested that some

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of the most recent destructhon of cultural heritage by so-called

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Islamic State or Daesh would not In recent months, we have sden

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the wanton destruction of ctltural heritage in the Middle East

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and North Africa. These tragic events are a rdminder

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of how vital it is that the UK ratifies this convention and makes

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a strong statement about the importance we place

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on protecting cultural heritage Honourable members will remdmber

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that it was in 1700 BC that the Assyrians invaded

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Mesopotamia, now called Ram`di and Falluja in Iraq,

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and stole the stone gods of the Arab tribes and took them back to Nineveh

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to force the Arabs to negothate to get their gods back,

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and it is a sad fact, I'm afraid, Mr Speaker,

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that the current treatment of cultural artefacts

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in the exact same locations has progressed so little over

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the intervening 3500 years. A people's cultural heritagd

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is a crucial part of who thdy are, For almost all communities

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anywhere in the world, it is a symbol whose import`nce

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cannot be overstated. What also cannot be overstated

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is the social and economic importance that that cultur`l

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heritage will be in helping Syria, Iraq and Libya and others,

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once Daesh is defeated, Isn't the irony that part

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of the topicality of this bhll and the enthusiasm for it h`s come

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from seeing the horrors of Daesh in Syria and elsewhere,

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but also the fact that this bill doesn't fully cover the acthvities

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of Daesh, because as I understand, it only covers unlawfully exported

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cultural property from occupied territories, of which Daesh

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is not covered by that. The Secretary of State said she d

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write to him further on that point. Now, the state of children's teeth

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was under discussion in the House of Lords,

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with the Liberal Democrat peer Lady Benjamin,

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a children's broadcaster, telling peers action was nedded

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as a matter of urgency. In the Government's

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childhood obesity plan, Even though there is an epidemic

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of child tooth decay, and hospital My lords, the nation's children s

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teeth, the state of the nathon's children's teeth is shocking,

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a huge cost to the NHS. Common sense says we need

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targeted action now. The noble lady is right that

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childhood oral health is very poor, 75% of children no longer h`ve tooth

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decay compared to 69% in 2008. And the Government's policy is very

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much around prevention The new contract being disctssed

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with the dentists now will put it more on a capitative basis rather

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than an activity basis. To introduce fluoride into the water

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and ignore those people who think it is a bad thing, when all

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the evidence seems to suggest that it would be a very good thing,

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especially for deprived comlunities. My lords, I think the evidence

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for fluoride is incontrovertible, There may be other issues

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attached to fluoride, but in terms of teeth,

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it is unquestionably a good thing. Interestingly in Birmingham

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where they have had fluoridd in the water for many years,

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the incidence of child tooth decay is 29%, whereas in Blackburn,

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it is 57%, in Hull, it is 28%. So I think the evidence

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is very strong. Given the harm caused by high

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levels of sugar added to some processed foods,

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would the Minister agree with me that the present restraints

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on the food industry are wodfully inadequate, and would he further

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agree that much tougher measures need to be taken if the Govdrnment

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is to meet its own objectivds in public health on oral he`lth

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diabetes and obesity? I think the introduction of a sugar

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levy is evidence that the Government is taking this extremely seriously,

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and believe that it can't jtst be left solely to industry

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to reduce sugar levels. The House of Lords, online dvening

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wear children were roaming the streets for sweets!

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